Well i am using Fedora as well. <div class="gmail_quote">2009/1/16 <<a href="mailto:axp-list-request@redhat.com">axp-list-request@redhat.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Send axp-list mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/axp-list" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/axp-list</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:axp-list-request@redhat.com">axp-list-request@redhat.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:axp-list-owner@redhat.com">axp-list-owner@redhat.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of axp-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum (Marco Benton) 2. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum (M?ns Rullg?rd) 3. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum (Jeff Donsbach) 4. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum (Marc Schlensog) 5. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Oliver Falk) 6. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Oliver Falk) 7. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Matt Turner) 8. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Dialup Jon Norstog) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:35:12 -0500 From: Marco Benton <<a href="mailto:marco@xssnet.com">marco@xssnet.com</a>> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum To: <a href="mailto:Axp-list@redhat.com">Axp-list@redhat.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:0u5246-423.ln1@web1.xssnet.com">0u5246-423.ln1@web1.xssnet.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Måns Rullgård wrote: > "Matt Turner" <<a href="mailto:mattst88@gmail.com">mattst88@gmail.com</a>> writes: > >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Tobias Klausmann <<a href="mailto:klausman@gentoo.org">klausman@gentoo.org</a>> wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> (apologies for incoherent rambling, I have a nasty case of flu and >>> am not at my best, intelligence-wise) >>> >>> I don'treally like forums. Their overhead for posting/reading and >>> the usually abysmal user interface keep me from wanting to use >>> them. That said, if they're indexable properly, you can search >>> using google. Still wouldn't want to write or regularly read >>> there. >>> >>> As for mailing lists: love 'em if they have a properly indexed >>> archive. This mailing list here, however, has a disadvantage: its >>> domain name. I can imagine people not subscribing because it is >>> Fedora/RHEL only. >>> >>> c.o.l.a has a disadvantage: some people don't even know News and >>> quite of the geeks I know don't like News because they think it's >>> all flames and spam (and let's face it: there *are* groups which >>> fit that description). >>> >>> That'show I see it. >> So it looks like most people who use mailing lists would rather use >> existing mailing lists than forums. Surprise. :) >> >> I wonder how many people I'm not reaching? >> >> Maybe the thing to do is to put more emphasis on comp.os.linux.alpha? >> It can be read as a mailing list and also as a forum (through Google >> Groups). How would this be? > > If that keeps the web aficionados happy, fine by me as long it doesn't > result in a sudden influx of badly formatted (top-posts, html, etc) > messages. > Allowing l-users from Google Groups would do just that! top-posting, HTML, etc and total n00b questions. But i do prefer newsgroups tho. And an occasional flame war. ;-) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:03:04 +0000 From: M?ns Rullg?rd <<a href="mailto:mans@mansr.com">mans@mansr.com</a>> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum To: <a href="mailto:Axp-list@redhat.com">Axp-list@redhat.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:yw1x4p0132zb.fsf@thrashbarg.mansr.com">yw1x4p0132zb.fsf@thrashbarg.mansr.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Marco Benton <<a href="mailto:marco@xssnet.com">marco@xssnet.com</a>> writes: > Måns Rullgård wrote: >> "Matt Turner" <<a href="mailto:mattst88@gmail.com">mattst88@gmail.com</a>> writes: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Tobias Klausmann <<a href="mailto:klausman@gentoo.org">klausman@gentoo.org</a>> wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> (apologies for incoherent rambling, I have a nasty case of flu and >>>> am not at my best, intelligence-wise) >>>> >>>> I don'treally like forums. Their overhead for posting/reading and >>>> the usually abysmal user interface keep me from wanting to use >>>> them. That said, if they're indexable properly, you can search >>>> using google. Still wouldn't want to write or regularly read >>>> there. >>>> >>>> As for mailing lists: love 'em if they have a properly indexed >>>> archive. This mailing list here, however, has a disadvantage: its >>>> domain name. I can imagine people not subscribing because it is >>>> Fedora/RHEL only. >>>> >>>> c.o.l.a has a disadvantage: some people don't even know News and >>>> quite of the geeks I know don't like News because they think it's >>>> all flames and spam (and let's face it: there *are* groups which >>>> fit that description). >>>> >>>> That'show I see it. >>> So it looks like most people who use mailing lists would rather use >>> existing mailing lists than forums. Surprise. :) >>> >>> I wonder how many people I'm not reaching? >>> >>> Maybe the thing to do is to put more emphasis on comp.os.linux.alpha? >>> It can be read as a mailing list and also as a forum (through Google >>> Groups). How would this be? >> If that keeps the web aficionados happy, fine by me as long it >> doesn't >> result in a sudden influx of badly formatted (top-posts, html, etc) >> messages. >> > > Allowing l-users from Google Groups would do just that! > > top-posting, HTML, etc and total n00b questions. Well, posting through google to cola is already possible. Hopefully those still using Alphas have more of a clue than the average web user. -- Måns Rullgård <a href="mailto:mans@mansr.com">mans@mansr.com</a> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:01 -0500 From: Jeff Donsbach <<a href="mailto:jeff.donsbach@hp.com">jeff.donsbach@hp.com</a>> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum To: Linux on Alpha processors <<a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a>> Message-ID: <1231992481.20758.2.camel@donsbach-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 21:24 +0000, Matt Turner wrote: > Hi, > > Among other things, I've been tossing the idea of a Forum for AlphaLinux.org. > > It would provide a central location for Alpha discussion. > > Would you use it? > > Ideas and suggestions requested. +1. You should post this question to the Debian Alpha list and the Gentoo Alpha list too (or "alternate architecture" forum on the Gentoo website). I agree that with dwindling numbers, the remaining Alpha users and devs need to collaborate more and stick together. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:00:07 +0100 From: Marc Schlensog <<a href="mailto:mschlens@redhat.com">mschlens@redhat.com</a>> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum To: <a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20090115100007.6b312a44@redhat.com">20090115100007.6b312a44@redhat.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:54:51 -0700 Maurice Hilarius <<a href="mailto:maurice@harddata.com">maurice@harddata.com</a>> wrote: > Matt Turner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > So it looks like most people who use mailing lists would rather use > > existing mailing lists than forums. Surprise. :) > > > > I wonder how many people I'm not reaching? > > > > Maybe the thing to do is to put more emphasis on > > comp.os.linux.alpha? It can be read as a mailing list and also as a > > forum (through Google Groups). How would this be? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > > > > OK. > But: > I am still wondering what we would gain from this?? Try to think out of the box. Once people see it's a Red Hat list, they might get the impression that the discussion is Red Hat or - at the most - Fedora related. The incentive to sign up might be pretty low for people interested in other distros than Fedora. Same holds true, of course, for other means of communication that /seem/ to favor one particular distro. The prime objective at the moment should be to get the few remaining users and developers of Linux/axp (and possibly other Alpha based Open Source projects) to one place which isn't dependent on one particular distro. That's why <a href="http://alphalinux.org" target="_blank">alphalinux.org</a> is a good starting point, that's why c.o.l.a. isn't the worst suggestion either. b.r., Marc ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:03:18 +0100 From: Oliver Falk <<a href="mailto:oliver@linux-kernel.at">oliver@linux-kernel.at</a>> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing To: Linux on Alpha processors <<a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:496F5036.3040204@linux-kernel.at">496F5036.3040204@linux-kernel.at</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Alex Deucher wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Alan Young <<a href="mailto:ayoung@teleport.com">ayoung@teleport.com</a>> wrote: >> Alex Deucher wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Oliver Falk <<a href="mailto:oliver@linux-kernel.at">oliver@linux-kernel.at</a>> >>> wrote: >>>> Matt Turner wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Oliver Falk <<a href="mailto:oliver@linux-kernel.at">oliver@linux-kernel.at</a>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> [ ... ] >>>>> After working on the problem, Jay independently came to the exact >>>>> solution Gentoo arrived at before. This, by definition, is duplication >>>>> of effort. >>>> Yes. That's duplication of effort. And as Jay said. Why did that happen? >>>> Because of the lack of communication. See my other mail. A common axp >>>> patches store would help a lot in this case. >>> What about something like patchwork? >>> <a href="http://patchwork.kernel.org/" target="_blank">http://patchwork.kernel.org/</a> >>> >>> If everyone send patches to the list, at least they'd end up in one place. >>> >>> Alex >>> >> Is patchwork limited to vger lists (linux-alpha)? Or can it track non-vger >> lists? If it could monitor the various lists (linux-alpha, redhat-axp, >> gentoo-alpha, debian-alpha, etc.) that could help to bring patches together. > > I don't know off hand, but I suspect just vger lists. One could do > something similar for alpha lists. <a href="http://ozlabs.org/%7Ejk/projects/patchwork/" target="_blank">http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/patchwork/</a> We could run this somewhere for *us* (various distro alpha m/l) + axp-list. What you think? -of ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:07:21 +0100 From: Oliver Falk <<a href="mailto:oliver@linux-kernel.at">oliver@linux-kernel.at</a>> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing To: Linux on Alpha processors <<a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:496F5129.8080902@linux-kernel.at">496F5129.8080902@linux-kernel.at</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Matt Turner wrote: [ ... ] >> Matt. You ask me to use another distribution. Why don't you use another >> distribution? >> > > First, thanks for the response. > > While I think the one-distribution idea is the ideal solution, I guess > it's not really feasible. > > To answer your final question of why don't I switch distributions: as > I told someone on IRC last night, if the roles were reversed and > Fedora was the well established distribution and Gentoo was just > starting, I could just as easily be suggesting people switch _to_ > Fedora _from_ Gentoo. You're always thinking Fedora Alpha isn't 'so well'. I'm wondering. Or is this just my interpretation? Or do you mean the userbase? -of ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:19:07 -0500 From: "Matt Turner" <<a href="mailto:mattst88@gmail.com">mattst88@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing To: "Linux on Alpha processors" <<a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:b4198de60901150819j19ce4e75x82cf7a3d76169e68@mail.gmail.com">b4198de60901150819j19ce4e75x82cf7a3d76169e68@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Falk <<a href="mailto:oliver@linux-kernel.at">oliver@linux-kernel.at</a>> wrote: > You're always thinking Fedora Alpha isn't 'so well'. I'm wondering. Or is > this just my interpretation? Well, yes. This is exactly how it was described to me -- not enough man-power to make it more than just experimental. I could be flat wrong though. > Or do you mean the userbase? I don't really know of any userbase. Of all the people I've talked with in #alpha, only one uses Fedora/Alpha. Thanks, Matt ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:52:24 -0700 From: "Dialup Jon Norstog" <<a href="mailto:thursday@allidaho.com">thursday@allidaho.com</a>> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing To: Linux on Alpha processors <<a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20090116215120.M74412@allidaho.com">20090116215120.M74412@allidaho.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Matt Turner" <<a href="mailto:mattst88@gmail.com">mattst88@gmail.com</a>> To: "Linux on Alpha processors" <<a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a>> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:19:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing > > > I don't really know of any userbase. Of all the people I've talked > with in #alpha, only one uses Fedora/Alpha. > > Thanks, > > Matt > > Well, there's me - I use Fedora/Alpha every day. I guess that makes 2? jn ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ axp-list mailing list <a href="mailto:axp-list@redhat.com">axp-list@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/axp-list" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/axp-list</a> End of axp-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 12 **************************************** </blockquote></div>