living in the console.
Linux for blind general discussion
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Sat Jun 3 19:22:13 UTC 2017
Tim here. I just installed FreeDOS on a junker machine and
went to install the DOS version of JAWS. It didn't complain, but I
didn't find any option for software speech, only hardware output. If
someone is better versed in how to get JAWS-for-DOS to use a soft
synth, I'd be glad to experiment further and document the entire
install process.
That said, there's nothing I ever performed back when I was a "power
DOS user" that I've not been able to do far more easily in a real
shell.
-tim
On June 3, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> With dos, you have to have accessibility up using a floppy drive
> for operating system and screen reader stuff. Then run setup.exe
> on the burned dos media or dos floppies and hope dos doesn't turkey
> up your screen reader by writing too fast to the screen. freedos
> will turkey up your screen reader since it writes too fast to the
> screen by default. If you can manage to get past all of that, a
> config.sys file on the installed dos hard drive with nansi.sys /ns
> will slow the screen writing to the point your screen reader will
> be able to speak. It's the int 10 screen writing that's too fast
> for screen readers in dos but the int 21 screen writing which is
> ansi standard works just fine. It may be possible to install a
> config.sys file in the freedos install media with nansi.sys /ns but
> this will need someone to rebuild the install media and will not be
> an official rebuild. I very much doubt the freedos developers have
> any interest in doing such a rebuild at all.
>
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 21:46:03
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> >
> > Hmm, yeah, that's cool once you have things installed. I'm
> > talking about the general installing of dos to start with,
> > though. How's that managed accessibly?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Peveto
> > Registered Linux user number 600552
> > Everything happens after coffee!
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> >> Here is how I get my dectalk express to run with Vocal Eyes. All
> >> my speech files are in a directory called c:\speech.
> >>
> >> My file c:\dectalk.bat contains the following:
> >> c:\speech\talk.bat
> >>
> >> The file c:\speech\talk.bat contains:
> >>
> >> @echo off
> >> rem the following line loads the Vocal-Eyes synthesizer driver
> >> rem it expects dectalk on com1
> >> c:\SPEECH\DTEXP /!c1
> >> rem the following line loads Vocal-Eyes
> >> c:\SPEECH\ve
> >>
> >>
> >> With all the files in place I run:
> >> dectalk from the c:\> prompt, and Vocal Eyes starts working.
> >>
> >>
> >> With vocal eyes working I then run Telix, and I'm off to
> >> the races.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 07:46:57AM -0500, Linux for blind
> >> general discussion wrote:
> >>> I knew they had, but haven't been able to find it now...not on
> >>> their site any more.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark Peveto
> >>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Henter-Joyce released JAWS for DOS as freeware back in 1999,
> >>>> so if you can find the executable somewhere then you should be
> >>>> good! http://www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/1526.html
> >>>>
> >>>> On 01/06/17 21:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>> I made a free dos cd. I've got a dectalk express hooked up
> >>>>> to this machine. I have demos of asap and vocal eyes.
> >>>>> Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I really wanted. But if I
> >>>>> put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk
> >>>>> talking so I can work the install and stuff? Been years
> >>>>> since I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available.
> >>>>> More input would be helpful. thanks yall.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark Peveto
> >>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos
> >>>>>> synthesizer and screen
> >>>>>> reading program.
> >>>>>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example
> >>>>>> including the start
> >>>>>> files for your screen reader on the disk you are using.
> >>>>>> Or installing first
> >>>>>> from floppy etc.
> >>>>>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
> >>>>>> Karen
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the
> >>>>>>> screen?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mark Peveto
> >>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2
> >>>>>>>> earlier this year
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> which is available for free and has multiple
> >>>>>>>> installation-media images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a
> >>>>>>>> boot-floppy image if your machine is so old that it won't
> >>>>>>>> boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image files to write to a
> >>>>>>>> USB disk)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> >>>>>>>> application that you throw at it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -tim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On June 1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness!
> >>>>>>>>> How can i get it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto
> >>>>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
> >>>>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS
> >>>>>>>>>> machine running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and
> >>>>>>>>>> Vocal Eyes screen reader.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null
> >>>>>>>>>> modem cable and from there run screen for multiple
> >>>>>>>>>> consoles.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer,
> >>>>>>>>>> lynx, ssh to remote accounts etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
> >>>>>>>>>> consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on
> >>>>>>>>>> my local box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote
> >>>>>>>>>> work server.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech
> >>>>>>>>>> controls from my main keyboard.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for
> >>>>>>>>>> blind general discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running
> >>>>>>>>>>> dos and a compatible screen reader and a user is
> >>>>>>>>>>> willing and able to work in the console it's possible
> >>>>>>>>>>> with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or
> >>>>>>>>>>> commo on the dos machine to connect to the other
> >>>>>>>>>>> computer running linux and have all console output
> >>>>>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I
> >>>>>>>>>>> did this once with only one version of linux and the
> >>>>>>>>>>> information on how to do that is in one of linux-howtos
> >>>>>>>>>>> serial howto files.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> living in the console.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently
> >>>>>>>>>>>> support my synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a system. That means having one built and configured
> >>>>>>>>>>>> locally..something I did not think would be such an
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issue. I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I find a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> later edition of DOS that gives me something
> >>>>>>>>>>>> needful. My present dos package for example is only a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> few years old comparatively speaking, has full USB
> >>>>>>>>>>>> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> find local talent for the Linux side for more than a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years or so I imagine. User
> >>>>>>>>>>>> groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can be found. clear, fundamental and step by step
> >>>>>>>>>>>> information in basic but informative detail does not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> exist, let alone in person training.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> send it, only not to have Linux support any of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hand picked hardware, or for that person to have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shellworld which is now running Ubuntu 16.04, or my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dreamhost setup for work which is not as current. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have no problem doing that at all, but the box must
> >>>>>>>>>>>> exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for music making and media..which means in person real
> >>>>>>>>>>>> skill. long distance has simply produced amusing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> efforts with no progress. My favorite local effort was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when someone building a machine for me showed up with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux. They
> >>>>>>>>>>>> popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> waited lol!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls
> >>>>>>>>>>>> on one side of the keyboard, not using the full
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thing, which for me personally is counter productive.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> machine actually, let me get information without ever
> >>>>>>>>>>>> taking my hands off the keys unless I need to review.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes
> >>>>>>>>>>>> me dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> whatever I am using. Long answer to as short comment,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in the console.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why I am going to find one on line
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere. I have no actual Linux box myself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.exe or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup > or something like that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it has been many years since I did the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. The readme file will tell you all about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it must require more because when I tried
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even trying for a help menu produced the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question, are you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for > business solutions?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted we may not have it fully configured here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try again, Kare
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse file
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > > <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ebrowse?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish to test
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would I print to my printer for example,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting fancier output would involve
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play an entire album from my music
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players. Some, such as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to specify
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just the files you want on the command line and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it will play
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mpc program acts like a remote-control,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letting you create/edit playlists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> map them to particular keys on my keyboard or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aliases in the shell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have > > > quick
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > > pretty
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How, also, would I create documents in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > > that's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I reach for. But other people like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TeX/LaTeX (it does produce some beautiful output
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and also has external library
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support for > > > things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like music markup letting you write scores)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while other people like some of the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light-weight markup languages like Markdown or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RST or the like.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GUI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but would > > > like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your next adventure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can point you in the direction of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might fit your brain just right. They should all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be free and are likely in most software repos, so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't cost you anything except a little time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to try each one out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -tim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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