<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> Hi Maciej, <o:p> </o:p> I have updated and fixed build errors in branch CdePkg (<a href="https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging.git">https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging.git</a>).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Also a POST trace is recorded on my MinnowBoard and stored here:<o:p></o:p> <a href="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/CdePkg/UEFIBinaries/RELEASE.log">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/CdePkg/UEFIBinaries/RELEASE.log</a><o:p></o:p> All implemented Standard-C-functions from CdePkg/Torito C Library demonstrates<o:p></o:p> its basic behavior.<o:p></o:p> There are also a lot of WCHAR.H- and WCTYPE.H-functions.<o:p></o:p> For the wide-functions I just perform the characters 0..0x1FF instead of all 65536 <o:p></o:p> different wchar_t characters due to runtime regards…<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regrettably the MinnowBoard is deprecated <a href="https://www.silicom-usa.com/pr/eol/minnowboard-turbot/"> https://www.silicom-usa.com/pr/eol/minnowboard-turbot</a><o:p></o:p> but the CdePkg also runs in the EMULATOR: <a href="https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg#howto"> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg#howto</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Best Regards,<o:p></o:p> Kilian<o:p></o:p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> From: <a href="mailto:kilian_kegel@outlook.com">Kilian Kegel</a> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 06:14 AM To: <a href="mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io">devel@edk2.groups.io</a>; <a href="mailto:afish@apple.com"> afish@apple.com</a>; <a href="mailto:leif@nuviainc.com">Leif Lindholm</a> Cc: <a href="mailto:rebecca@nuviainc.com">Rebecca Cran</a>; <a href="mailto:tim.lewis@insyde.com"> tim.lewis@insyde.com</a>; <a href="mailto:maciej.rabeda@linux.intel.com">maciej.rabeda@linux.intel.com</a>; <a href="mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com">Mike Kinney</a> Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] "StdLibPkg" branch on edk2-staging </div> <o:p> </o:p> Hi all,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I plan to come back with the <a href="https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg"> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg</a> end of this year<o:p></o:p> and to unroll the source code of fundamental parts of my C Library and discuss that along<o:p></o:p> the 30. anniversary of “The C Book” <a href="https://publications.gbdirect.co.uk/c_book/chapter9"> https://publications.gbdirect.co.uk/c_book/chapter9</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Additionally I will discuss the details you need to know:<o:p></o:p> <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="0" type="1"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">about the differences C90/C95/C99 in language and library<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">how to get HOSTED ENVIRONMENT for UEFI POST drivers<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">how to get Intel/AMD TimeStampCounter based precise time calibration - platform, <o:p></o:p></li></ol> processor and chipset independent for x86 UEFI platforms <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">how to arrange space optimization for UEFI FW as an embedded platform<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">how to test and verify the compatibility of a Standard C Library implementation,<o:p></o:p></li></ol> since “CI“ won’t help at all in this regards <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">how to implement a printf-core that performs narrow and wide mode at once for space optimization<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">how to implement a scanf-core that performs narrow and wide mode at once for space optimization<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">how to implement realloc() sub-allocator on UEFI memory management functions for PEI and DXE<o:p></o:p></li></ol> <o:p> </o:p> Note: If UEFI is going to provide Standard-C-Functions for all drivers, you will have soon e.g. “sprintf()”<o:p></o:p> in all drivers. The amount of code for a proper sprintf() + scanf() + wscanf() + strtok() + wcstok() + malloc() … implementation<o:p></o:p> that is not tailored for embedded FW, will overrun the BIOS FLASH space instantly.<o:p></o:p> I consider commercial BIOS implementations that runs really many drivers (> 100) to start a platform.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Currently I implement more feature to CdePkg/Torito C Library:<o:p></o:p> <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="0" type="1"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">Improve UEFI driver cross development for VisualStudio and EDK2 <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">substitution of “DEBUG” traces by CdePkg-traces<o:p></o:p></li></ol> that allows usage of predefined DEBUG-messages to run in a CdePkg-based driver. <o:p> </o:p> Sole purpose is to have DEBUG/RELEASE mode _NOT_ globally, but locally to get trace messages selectively for specific drivers only. (to speed up POST with traces, that consumes a significant amount of time during working hours of a BIOS developer) <o:p> </o:p> <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">add SMM support. <o:p></o:p></li></ol> Shell, DXE, PEI (pre and post memory) is already available for 2 years: <a href="https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/message/51562?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,CdePkg,20,2,0,65191785">https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/message/51562?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,CdePkg,20,2,0,65191785</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">get ACPICA tools <a href="https://acpica.org/">https://acpica.org/</a> to UEFI Shell <o:p></o:p></li></ol> <o:p> </o:p> I need to implement some non-standard / Microsoft specific C functions to get that running for Andrew Fish. <o:p> </o:p> That time links from <a href="https://github.com/KilianKegel"> https://github.com/KilianKegel</a> are under construction and are <o:p></o:p> not necessarily up-to-date.<o:p></o:p> Same for <a href="https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg"> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg</a> that is not used for long …<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> But <a href="https://github.com/KilianKegel/CdePkg.git">https://github.com/KilianKegel/CdePkg.git</a> driver set and sample set runs instantly <o:p></o:p> on the latest BIOS of a commercial vendor on a Intel IOTG TGL-H (Tiger Lake H) board using the Microsoft<o:p></o:p> build environment.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> @Tim: I’d really appreciate if CdePkg could hold additionally Insyde BIOS support. Regrettably<o:p></o:p> I do not have access to Insyde source code.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> @Maciej<o:p></o:p> I can not see any “wide” functions here. <a href="https://github.com/DevSolar/pdclib%20from%20WCHAR.H"> https://github.com/DevSolar/pdclib</a><o:p></o:p> from WCHAR.H or WCTYPE.H. That is a serious limitation in the UEFI environment.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> To create UEFI-Shell programs for Personal Computers this link can be used.<o:p></o:p> <a href="https://github.com/KilianKegel/Visual-ANSI-C-for-UEFI-Shell#visual-ansi-c-for-uefi-shell">https://github.com/KilianKegel/Visual-ANSI-C-for-UEFI-Shell#visual-ansi-c-for-uefi-shell</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Best regards,<o:p></o:p> Kilian<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> From: <a href="mailto:afish=apple.com@groups.io">Andrew Fish via groups.io</a> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 05:35 AM To: <a href="mailto:devel@edk2.groups.io">edk2-devel-groups-io</a>; <a href="mailto:leif@nuviainc.com"> Leif Lindholm</a> Cc: <a href="mailto:rebecca@nuviainc.com">Rebecca Cran</a>; <a href="mailto:tim.lewis@insyde.com"> tim.lewis@insyde.com</a>; <a href="mailto:maciej.rabeda@linux.intel.com">maciej.rabeda@linux.intel.com</a>; <a href="mailto:michael.d.kinney@intel.com">Mike Kinney</a> Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] "StdLibPkg" branch on edk2-staging<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> I’d guess I’d also ask the why not NewLib? Especially since Red Hat helps out with edk2…. Thanks, Andrew Fish > On Aug 4, 2021, at 4:03 AM, Leif Lindholm <leif@nuviainc.com> wrote: > > Hi Rebecca, > > I think the truth is we're a bit resigned about edk2-libc in general. > My view is it should be either maintained or deprecated (or replaced). > > And maintainership *should* mean at least keeping it up to date with > security fixes. > > I personally have no enthusiasm for the topic, but if there existed: > - An up-to-date codebase. > - A plan for keeping the coodbase up-to-date (as opposed to a plan to > keep the codebase up-to-date). > - At least a couple of maintainers. > I would have no objection to that existing under the TianoCore > umbrella. > > Best Regards, > > Leif > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 16:44:02 -0600, Rebecca Cran wrote: >> CC'ing the Tianocore stewards. >> >> >> I've had problems getting a recent patch committed just to make edk2-libc >> work against current edk2 master. >> >> Tianocore stewards: do we need new or additional maintainers for edk2-libc, >> or is there a plan to deprecate it? >> >> >> The current maintainers are listed as: >> >> StdLib, StdLibPrivateInternalFiles >> W: <a href="https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/StdLib">https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/StdLib</a> >> M: Daryl McDaniel <edk2-lists@mc2research.org> >> M: Jaben Carsey <jaben.carsey@intel.com> >> >> >> -- >> Rebecca Cran >> >> >> On 7/28/21 4:25 PM, tim.lewis@insyde.com wrote: >>> I would point out that there was significant work on libc in the >> past (see <a href="https://github.com/andreiw/UefiToolsPkg">https://github.com/andreiw/UefiToolsPkg</a>) but never any >> help to upstream these fixes, including making sure that many Linux >> tools can easily be ported. I myself have used it to port several >> BSD utilities over, but each time there will little nits with the >> existing port and even small patches were returned with "no current >> maintainer" >>> >>> In terms of making other projects use libc, I think the other >>> objection was that it was never optimized for non-shell >>> usage. Other projects (lie >>> <a href="https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg">https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-staging/tree/CdePkg</a> ) have tried >>> to remedy this, but never with source checked in. But it allows >>> support under PEI, DXE, etc. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: devel@edk2.groups.io <devel@edk2.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rebecca Cran >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:34 AM >>> To: devel@edk2.groups.io; maciej.rabeda@linux.intel.com >>> Subject: Re: [edk2-devel] "StdLibPkg" branch on edk2-staging >>> >>> Are you aware of the edk2-libc project at <a href="https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-libc"> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2-libc</a> ? >>> >>> > > > > > <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html> <div width="1" style="color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. <a target="_blank" href="https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/message/79112">View/Reply Online (#79112)</a> | | <a target="_blank" href="https://groups.io/mt/84484790/1813853">Mute This Topic</a> | <a href="https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/post">New Topic</a> <a href="https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/editsub/1813853">Your Subscription</a> | <a href="mailto:devel+owner@edk2.groups.io">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href="https://edk2.groups.io/g/devel/unsub">Unsubscribe</a> [edk2-devel-archive@redhat.com] <div width="1" style="color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div>