<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.18.0"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 15:01 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 01:39:06PM +1000, Mike MacCana wrote: > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 21:17 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Mike MacCana <<A HREF="mailto:mmaccana@au1.ibm.com">mmaccana@au1.ibm.com</A>> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 13:07 -0700, David Lutterkort wrote: > > > I am pleased to announce a new configuration management project: Augeas, > > > a low-level configuration API and editing tool. > > > > > > Augeas' main goal is to make programmatic changes of configuration data > > > on Linux/Unix systems simple and safe. The main stumbling stone for this > > > is that configuration data is stored in numerous files in widely varying > > > formats. This is both next to impossible to change and is valuable in > > > many situations. > > > > > > ???The amount of effort spent creating and re-creating tools to parse, edit > > > and transform a variety of unnecessary, unstructured data formats over the > > > last 30 years, and to continue doing this for the next 10 years, is less > > > than that required to: > > > > > (create a standard format, proactively patch apps to support a standard > format, make an editor for that format, and start shipping packages) Back in the real world people also want to be able to manage existing deployed production applications today. Even if you convince upstream to adopt your grand unified configuration scheme </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'm not proposing to get upstream acceptance of anything. You can't fix these things without pissing a few people off - luckily, upstream doesn't ship operating systems - distributions do. Not saying tools like cfengine, puppet, augeas aren't useful solutions, but let's recognise them for what they are - bandaid solutions. <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> Cheers, Mike ________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Technical Specialist Linux Services IBM Global Services Level 14, 60 City Rd Southgate Vic 3000 Phone: +61-3-8656-2138 Fax: +61-4-8656-2423 Email: <A HREF="mailto:mmaccana@au1.ibm.com">mmaccana@au1.ibm.com</A> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BODY> </HTML>