Hi All, I think Francesco wants to see a vibrant community where things are moving, people are having discussions in open mind and at the end they are achieving for which they can be proud of. So, he wanted to shake people up not off. This Fedora ambassador project is new kind where things are not matured yet, like how things can be done, how people will contribute. This community is still learning, whereas in Marketing, Infrastructure they quite know what and how things to do. But he touched a sensitive issue which made some people scare, even me. I have not yet figured out how can I do things here in BD where things are quite different. I also liked and agree totally where Greg said. "My $0.02: once somebody says 'I am a Fedora ambassador,' then they are a Fedora ambassador, FOR LIFE. Until (a) they say 'no thanks, I'm not an ambassador anymore,' or (b) they do something that disgraces Fedora, and FAMSCO drums them out." Yet it does not answer Francesco's dilemma / question, how to make the community more vibrant and figure out the active ones. I think here he has to accept that he will have continue to work with the most active ones. But I can't more emphasize more that sometimes we will have to give buzz to those apparently inactive ones and I believe they will try to do something when communication is made to them and at the end add more value to the ambassador community. And at the last, when Thomas said, he wanted to see this discussion stop. He means not to see this group getting fragmented by any discussion which hurts people. But alas any such discussion will hurt some people but it is the positive mind who will wake and say its not negative, I have learn something here and use it in future. Also, when we have a leader (here Thomas) we must follow what he has asked for and not to do anything destructive. Cheers, Imtiaz <div> On 4/10/07, Francesco Ugolini <<a href="mailto:francesco.ugolini@fedoraproject.org">francesco.ugolini@fedoraproject.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> >From Wikipedia: "The word community comes from the Latin communis, meaning "common, public, shared by all or many."[1] The Latin term "communitatus" from which the English word "community" comes, is comprised of three elements, "Com-" - a Latin prefix meaning with or together, "-Munis-" - ultimately Proto-Indo-European in origin, it has been suggested that it means "the changes or exchanges that link" (Both municipal and monetary take their meaning here), and "-tatus" a Latin suffix suggesting diminutive, small, intimate or local." Together is the "leit motif" of my proposal, i want to underline this thing know to destroy all the legend behind this proposal. My proposal want to demonstrate that we stay together, we share our ideas and opinion. And, sorry if i misunderstood, but Fedora Ambassadors list is the list where we can discuss about ideas, problems etc... But, it's not important now. I know many people are feared by this proposal but i don't know why, because i never say to fire someone, kill another etc... I talk about a proposal to re-create the community. If we work together we work better. That's my motto. ........ Now, Thomas has decided to close this discussion and i have to follow his order. Hoping this discussion had something good, hoping people will continue to work as they are doing Francesco Ugolini </blockquote></div>