> To me, very few people can: the local leaders. They are the ones who > know the Ambassadors in their region and what they do. And if there's > an Ambassador in their region they never heard of, maybe it means he > is inactive... +1 BR Frederic <div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/19 María Leandro <<a href="mailto:tatica@fedoraproject.org">tatica@fedoraproject.org</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Can't we have 1 ambassador report from each country/city ? In those extreme situations I think this could work <div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/20 Charly Manjarrez <<a href="mailto:charlymanja@yahoo.com.mx" target="_blank">charlymanja@yahoo.com.mx</a>><div> <div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Maybe if we define the list of the country leaders be much easy to know who works or not<div> <div></div><div> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I don't know how these works in the rest of the world, but I'm one of the firsts Ambassadors in Brazil. We are 44 Ambassadors here, and we know who is working and who isn't. To be more focused in our country, we created a local mail list, and are working to provide local actions. In this mean time, 5 long years, we talked with Fedora Board to remove inactive Ambassadors, but how we set who is working and who isn't? We don't, we just try to contact every Ambassador, from time to time, to get an report of their actions. I can tell you that 10% or 20% doesn't even respond our e-mails. We know that more 10% or 20% isn't working with Fedora, assign Ambassador Group to have their name in our staff. In this situation I believe necessary a kick off, only in this situation. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: <a href="mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com" target="_blank">fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com" target="_blank">fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com</a>] Em nome de Adli Azaddin Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:56 Para: <a href="mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com" target="_blank">fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com</a> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution i agree with Rodrigo Menezes cheers again :D On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes <<a href="mailto:rodrigomenezes12@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank">rodrigomenezes12@yahoo.com.br</a>> wrote: María, How can you identify a Ambassador who really works for the Project? Contribute as an Ambassador doesn't mean that you need to work in a upstream Project. If I produce lectures in my city (a small city in South Brazil), I'm contributing, and this work will never be noticed by you. How can you define if I'm working or not? How can you assign task for some Ambassador who use all of his free time to distribute DVDs, produce lectures? You cannot. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes De: <a href="mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com" target="_blank">fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com" target="_blank">fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com</a>] Em nome de María Leandro Enviada em: quinta-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2009 13:26 Para: <a href="mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com" target="_blank">fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com</a> Assunto: Re: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution We also know that we have some ambassadors that don't contribute with any project. What do we do with them? I think we should contact them an assign some task... just to incorporate them to the team 2009/2/20 Ashiqur Rahman Angel <<a href="mailto:angel@linux.org.bd" target="_blank">angel@linux.org.bd</a>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Max Spevack <<a href="mailto:mspevack@redhat.com" target="_blank">mspevack@redhat.com</a>> wrote: The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList</a> <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification</a> <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count</a> <-- why do we even need this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on <a href="http://fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">fedoraproject.org</a> that says "are you interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or <a href="http://fedoraforum.org" target="_blank">fedoraforum.org</a> to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. +1 WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max But what do we do with inactive Ambassadors, who are inactive from a long time? 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