<div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/20 Gaurav Prabhu <<a href="mailto:g5_fosslover@yahoo.in">g5_fosslover@yahoo.in</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign="top"> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Max Spevack <<a href="mailto:mspevack@redhat.com" target="_blank">mspevack@redhat.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> From: Max Spevack <<a href="mailto:mspevack@redhat.com" target="_blank">mspevack@redhat.com</a>> Subject: [Ambassadors] inactive ambassadors, a proposed solution To: <a href="mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com" target="_blank">fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com</a> Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 11:34 AM <pre>The purpose of this email is to try to lay out a roadmap for solving, once and for all, the question of inactive Fedora Ambassadors. GOALS OF IDENTIFYING INACTIVE AMBASSADORS: (1) Housekeeping. All projects need to have their membership rosters pruned from time to time. In Ambassadors, this is particularly important because non-Fedora people might get in touch with Ambassadors, and if they don't receive a response, it looks like Fedora is ignorning them. Other sub-projects for which identifying inactive ambassadors are crucial is packaging. If someone drops off the face of the earth, their packages need to be given to a new owner. Pages that need to a "refresh" policy: <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList</a> <-- I argue that CountryList is the wrong name for this page, and it should be called Directory. <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification</a> <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Count</a> <-- why do we even need this page? Doesn't the CountryList page serve the same purpose? How often are these pages currently updated? Is the process manual or automated, or a mixture of both? (2) Give a more prominent location to the "list of ambassadors per country". That page should be the most visited page in all of Fedora Ambassadors. People who are trying to find out about Fedora should be visiting it, and Ambassadors who are looking for other Fedora folks near them should be visiting it. We should have something on <a href="http://fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">fedoraproject.org</a> that says "are you interested in Fedora? Find a Fedora Ambassador near you to give you some information" and you type in your location, and it spits back a list of Ambassadors near you. (3) In order for any of (2) to be successful, we need to make sure that the people who are listed as Ambassadors are actually paying attention to the Ambassadors part of Fedora. If someone is not, it doesn't mean that they are a bad person -- it just means that they don't want to have to deal with organizing events or asking questions from newbies to the project. I wouldn't be offended if someone removed me from the Fedora Infrastructure group in FAS, because *I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH FEDORA INFRASTRUCTURE*. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person or not a Fedora contributor, it just means that I don't participate in that part of Fedora. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY ACTIVE AMBASSADORS? We come up with a policy that is simple, and fair. An active ambassador is someone who: 1) Has joined the group in FAS. 2) Reads and/or posts on fedora-ambassadors-list. 3) Has a useful, up-to-date personal page on the Fedora wiki. And does one or more of: * Attends or organizes an event once in a release cycle. * Maintains a blog on Planet Fedora, with about one post per month. * Participates on fedora-list or <a href="http://fedoraforum.org" target="_blank">fedoraforum.org</a> to help people w/ questions. * Indicates their willingness to mentor and guide new contributors or new users. WHAT DO WE DO WITH INACTIVE AMBASSADORS? If someone is inactive, we *DO NOT* kick them out of the ambassadors group in FAS, and we *DO NOT* remove them from fedora-ambassadors list. But we should remove them from the "directory of Ambassadors sorted by country", which I argue again needs to be much more visible and useful, so that those inactive Ambassadors aren't being asked to do public-facing things. When someone re-surfaces or has more time for Ambassadors, we put them back on the directory. ================== Flame me. --Max<div class="Ih2E3d"> -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list <a href="mailto:Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com" target="_blank">Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list</a> </div>Though I agree with you on some points, but still I feel removing them is not the way out. If they do not wish to contribute then it's their wish. Who are we to remove them from the list? Also people have their own set of hurdles, diffculties. Some people are under a bad patch of their life. Hence we cannot remove theme even if they do not post on mailing list. Take the example of myself, I just joined an month ago, still haven't done anything since I do not have skills. I am still finding my foor in the Fedora community. Besides making some posts on the mailing list, I haven't done anything significant. So If I were to be removed, I would feel rejected & would develop a negative attitude towards Fedora community. Even though I wish to return, I won't return for sure. So I feel we should not be too strict. After all everybody loves Freedom. Regards, Gaurav Prabhu </pre></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="WgoR0d"> <hr size="1"> Connect with friends all over the world.. <a href="http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_1/*http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/?wm=n/" target="_blank"> Get Yahoo! India Messenger.</a></div> -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list <a href="mailto:Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com">Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com</a> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list</a> </blockquote></div> I agree with not removing the ambassadors, maybe simply marking them as inactive? I feel that it would be akin to developing software and abandoning it later... Then someone comes along and removes your name from the credits simply because you're not actively developing it anymore. What would the inactive ambassadors have to do in order to regain their active status again? Re-sign the CLA? Simply say "I'm here now"? -Nushio -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: <a href="http://proyectofedora.org/mexico">http://proyectofedora.org/mexico</a>