Everyone, just wanted to provide a summary of discussion last night in the Fedora Ambassador NA meeting:<div> </div><div>Topic 1) Reminder that FUDCon in Toronto is just around the corner, don't forget to register and make arrangements if you're going.</div> <div> </div><div>Topic 2) Upcoming Events</div><div> </div><div>Utah Open Source Conference (Salt Lake City, UT) - Staffed by <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo" title="User:Herlo" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb(51, 122, 204); ">Clint Savage</a></div> <div> </div><div>Ontario Linux Fest - Staffed by <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jfsaucier">Jean-Francois Saucier</a></div><div>Quebec events - Staffed by <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jfsaucier">Jean-Francois Saucier</a></div> <div> -> Request for some media and swag for the upcoming events *Action Item* for John Rose (?)</div><div> </div><div>ABLEconf (Pheonix, AZ) - Staffed by <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rrix" title="User:Rrix" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb(128, 64, 128); ">Ryan Rix</a></div> <div> -> Request for Ambassador Kit and media *Action Item* for Clint Savage</div> <div> </div><div>Central Pennsylvania Open Source Conference (Harrisburg, PA) - Staffed by <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jstanley" title="User:Jstanley" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: rgb(51, 122, 204); ">Jon Stanley</a></div> <div> -> Request for banner *Action Item* for Ben Williams and Clint Savage (vertical banners)</div> <div> </div><div>Topic 3) Budget</div> <div> </div><div>Max Spevack talked about the budget for this quarter, about $8K, $5K for F12 media and another $3K to replenish promotional items stocks</div> <div>Also some discussion of closing the Fedora portion of the Brand Fuel store</div> <div> </div><div>Topic 4) Open Floor</div> <div> </div><div>Reminder that F12 delivery has slipped a week</div> <div> </div><div>You can find the full meeting log at: <a href="http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-07/fedora-meeting.2009-10-07-01.00.log.html">http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-07/fedora-meeting.2009-10-07-01.00.log.html</a></div> <div>Which is also included below for your convenience:</div><div> </div><div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(240, 240, 240); background-position: initial initial; "> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">01:00:10 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting <a name="l-2"></a>01:00:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct 7 01:00:10 2009 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot">http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot</a>. <a name="l-3"></a>01:00:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. <a name="l-4"></a>01:00:31 <StabbyMc> Ok folks, it's that time. Lets start the roll call. <a name="l-5"></a>01:00:36 <StabbyMc> .fas smcbrien <a name="l-6"></a>01:00:37 <zodbot> StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <<a href="mailto:scott@mcbrien.net">scott@mcbrien.net</a>> <a name="l-7"></a>01:00:48 <crossbytes> .fas crossbytes <a name="l-8"></a>01:00:49 <zodbot> crossbytes: crossbytes 'Kevin Higgins' <<a href="mailto:Kevin@crossbytes.org">Kevin@crossbytes.org</a>> <a name="l-9"></a>01:00:55 <djf_jeff> .fas jfsaucier <a name="l-10"></a>01:00:56 <zodbot> djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier' <<a href="mailto:jfsaucier@infoglobe.ca">jfsaucier@infoglobe.ca</a>> <a name="l-11"></a>01:01:01 <dramsey> .fas dramsey <a name="l-12"></a>01:01:02 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <<a href="mailto:diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com">diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com</a>> <a name="l-13"></a>01:01:08 <PhrkOnLsh> .fas rrix <a name="l-14"></a>01:01:09 <zodbot> PhrkOnLsh: rrix 'Ryan Rix' <<a href="mailto:phrkonaleash@gmail.com">phrkonaleash@gmail.com</a>> <a name="l-15"></a>01:01:20 <VileGent> .fas Southern_Gentleman <a name="l-16"></a>01:01:21 <zodbot> VileGent: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <<a href="mailto:vaioof@yahoo.com">vaioof@yahoo.com</a>> <a name="l-17"></a>01:01:27 <inode0> .wikilink inode0 <a name="l-18"></a>01:01:28 <zodbot> inode0: [[User:inode0|John T. Rose]] <a name="l-19"></a>01:01:34 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North American Ambassadors Meeting <a name="l-20"></a>01:02:08 <spevack> .fas mspevack <a name="l-21"></a>01:02:09 <zodbot> spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' <<a href="mailto:mspevack@redhat.com">mspevack@redhat.com</a>> <a name="l-22"></a>01:02:21 <StabbyMc> Ok, so this is my first time chairing the meeting, since stealing it from inode0; or maybe it was foisting... <a name="l-23"></a>01:02:28 <StabbyMc> Any announcements? <a name="l-24"></a>01:02:38 * spevack is back in your timezone :) <a name="l-25"></a>01:03:08 <StabbyMc> Excellent, maybe spevack can talk about Budget Review when we get to it :-) <a name="l-26"></a>01:03:16 <inode0> New Mexico GNU/Linux Fest is being postponed until next year <a name="l-27"></a>01:03:27 <Ac-town> Hey everyone <a name="l-28"></a>01:03:35 <StabbyMc> Our partiticipation, or the con itself? <a name="l-29"></a>01:03:41 <inode0> the conference <a name="l-30"></a>01:03:43 <spevack> The whole event <a name="l-31"></a>01:04:18 <Ac-town> .fas actown <a name="l-32"></a>01:04:19 <zodbot> Ac-town: acactown 'Acac Town' <<a href="mailto:acactown@gmail.com">acactown@gmail.com</a>> <a name="l-33"></a>01:04:19 <inode0> <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009</a> <- go sign up <a name="l-34"></a>01:04:32 <Ac-town> -_-, not me :P <a name="l-35"></a>01:04:54 <StabbyMc> inode0: so I guess we're jumping into events then? ;-) <a name="l-36"></a>01:05:24 * inode0 was just reminding folks that FUDcon is approaching <a name="l-37"></a>01:05:55 <StabbyMc> Indeed, and for those of you who haven't heard, there are going to be busses from Boston and ...? <a name="l-38"></a>01:06:12 <inode0> one from Boston that I know about <a name="l-39"></a>01:06:24 <StabbyMc> Since flying into Boston is less expensive than Toronto. <a name="l-40"></a>01:06:36 <StabbyMc> For some reason I thought there was going to be one from Buffalo? <a name="l-41"></a>01:06:36 <inode0> it is free though if you can get to Boston before it fills up <a name="l-42"></a>01:07:15 <inode0> free as in courtesy of redhat <a name="l-43"></a>01:07:32 <StabbyMc> mizmo and spot are going to be on it, IIRC. <a name="l-44"></a>01:08:26 <StabbyMc> Any updates on other events, like Ohio LinuxFest? <a name="l-45"></a>01:09:03 <StabbyMc> VileGent, you still running point on ---^ <a name="l-46"></a>01:09:12 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm trying to get sponsored to represent Fedora at ABLEconf in Phoenix AZ <a name="l-47"></a>01:09:25 <VileGent> OLF happened and we had a great turnout of people takeing media and asking questions about fedora and the OLPC XO s <a name="l-48"></a>01:09:47 <VileGent> spot, pascal axelilly, and my son worked the both <a name="l-49"></a>01:10:06 <StabbyMc> Way to use that child labor VileGent! <a name="l-50"></a>01:10:07 <VileGent> booth <a name="l-51"></a>01:10:25 <slipp3d> child labor is good for a few things <a name="l-52"></a>01:10:25 <VileGent> used him at SELF why not OLF <a name="l-53"></a>01:10:30 <StabbyMc> Are tiny hands really better for handing out media? <a name="l-54"></a>01:10:34 <StabbyMc> ;-) <a name="l-55"></a>01:10:46 <VileGent> StabbyMc, he is bigger than you <a name="l-56"></a>01:11:02 <VileGent> eof <a name="l-57"></a>01:11:04 <djf_jeff> I have one for Ontario Linux Fest, I try contacting the organizer but didn't receive any reply... but I got an email from Andrew Overholt <a name="l-58"></a>01:11:38 <djf_jeff> I want to know if we sponsor the event (it give us a booth, table and network) for 100$? <a name="l-59"></a>01:11:54 <inode0> yes, do it <a name="l-60"></a>01:12:16 <djf_jeff> good, I will reply to Andrew tomorrow morning <a name="l-61"></a>01:12:50 <inode0> we are trying to get some advertising for FUDcon to you as well <a name="l-62"></a>01:12:56 <djf_jeff> but, I don't want to bring an old topic on the table, I need an event box for this. An empty table will be wasted money <a name="l-63"></a>01:12:57 <inode0> have you been contacted about that yet? <a name="l-64"></a>01:13:02 <djf_jeff> inode0: no <a name="l-65"></a>01:13:31 <inode0> a table without an event box is not wasted <a name="l-66"></a>01:13:56 <djf_jeff> maybe, but all I have is ~25 burned dvd and my laptop <a name="l-67"></a>01:14:03 <inode0> you just opened a ticket for swag/media today didn't you? <a name="l-68"></a>01:14:38 <djf_jeff> yes, I opened it this morning <a name="l-69"></a>01:14:53 <djf_jeff> I currently try to find some local company for swag to get price estimate <a name="l-70"></a>01:15:06 <inode0> for this we just need to ship it there <a name="l-71"></a>01:15:33 <inode0> we are 2 weeks away at this point, right? <a name="l-72"></a>01:15:54 <djf_jeff> yes, two week from the Quebec events <a name="l-73"></a>01:16:01 <djf_jeff> a little bit more for OLF <a name="l-74"></a>01:17:12 <StabbyMc> djf_jeff: what swag are you wanting? <a name="l-75"></a>01:17:22 <spevack> I have some Live CDs and some buttons that I can ship if needed. <a name="l-76"></a>01:17:31 <djf_jeff> anything, media, stickers, tatoos, pens, etc <a name="l-77"></a>01:18:10 <StabbyMc> djf_jeff: those we have, what were you wanting to price out from local vendors in CA? <a name="l-78"></a>01:18:19 * inode0 suggests giving Brian a chance to respond - if he needs help from others to fill parts we can pitch in <a name="l-79"></a>01:18:33 * djf_jeff agree with inode0 <a name="l-80"></a>01:18:54 <inode0> he might be low on media <a name="l-81"></a>01:18:59 <djf_jeff> StabbyMc: if I produce the swag locally for cheaper than shipping it here, it can help I think <a name="l-82"></a>01:19:16 <StabbyMc> Ah, OK, now I understand. <a name="l-83"></a>01:19:56 <inode0> right, that is a longer term solution but let's see what it costs to ship stuff up <a name="l-84"></a>01:20:20 <inode0> might not be bad <a name="l-85"></a>01:20:42 <crossbytes> I have F11 media that I can send if needed... for Ontario Linux Fest and some stickers.. <a name="l-86"></a>01:20:44 <StabbyMc> Ok, if I understand right, djf_jeff opened a Trac ticket for swag, inode0 is pricing to ship up. <a name="l-87"></a>01:20:51 <djf_jeff> inode0: I called UPS, but damn, it's like entering a maze... but, we can talk about this in #fedora-ambassadors <a name="l-88"></a>01:21:14 <StabbyMc> Other events news? <a name="l-89"></a>01:21:20 * inode0 is waiting for someone else to price to ship up <a name="l-90"></a>01:21:29 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm trying to get sponsored to represent Fedora at ABLEconf in Phoenix AZ <a name="l-91"></a>01:21:56 <inode0> sponsored to join ambassadors you mean, right? <a name="l-92"></a>01:21:58 <VileGent> what is the event in PA this coming weekend <a name="l-93"></a>01:22:06 <PhrkOnLsh> yes, herlo's mentoring me, inode0 <a name="l-94"></a>01:22:33 <inode0> we sometimes sponsor people to attend events, different thing <a name="l-95"></a>01:22:56 <inode0> PhrkOnLsh: why don't you introduce yourself :) <a name="l-96"></a>01:23:03 <PhrkOnLsh> oh, uhm, okay :-) <a name="l-97"></a>01:23:14 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm Ryan Rix, Fedora KDE SIG <a name="l-98"></a>01:23:27 <PhrkOnLsh> ABLEconf presentations coordinator, and soon to be ambassador :-) <a name="l-99"></a>01:23:40 <StabbyMc> PhrkOnLsh: from Pheonix? <a name="l-100"></a>01:24:00 <PhrkOnLsh> I wanted to see Fedora represented at ABLEconf and Clint said that I should just join Ambassadors and do it myself, so here I am <a name="l-101"></a>01:24:04 <PhrkOnLsh> StabbyMc: indeedy <a name="l-102"></a>01:24:14 <VileGent> ! <a name="l-103"></a>01:24:22 * jds2001 here, sorry im late <a name="l-104"></a>01:24:36 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm going to be presenting at ABLEconf, a rehash of a presentation A. Mani did at SFD Kolkata <a name="l-105"></a>01:25:13 <PhrkOnLsh> and, uhm, yeah, hopefully herlo will be sending me an ambassador kit for the event; I already have a table lined up. <a name="l-106"></a>01:25:30 <StabbyMc> PhrkOnLsh: Sounds like you're all good to go. <a name="l-107"></a>01:25:44 <inode0> we'll get you more than an ambassador kit <a name="l-108"></a>01:25:45 <PhrkOnLsh> indeed. <a name="l-109"></a>01:25:59 <inode0> what dates? <a name="l-110"></a>01:26:02 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: herlo told me that the event wasn't in the FAmNA budget. <a name="l-111"></a>01:26:05 <StabbyMc> 10/24 <a name="l-112"></a>01:26:10 <PhrkOnLsh> Oct24 (same date as OLF) <a name="l-113"></a>01:26:15 <PhrkOnLsh> (iirc) <a name="l-114"></a>01:26:19 <inode0> it wasn't but it can be <a name="l-115"></a>01:26:39 <PhrkOnLsh> oh okie dokie :-) <a name="l-116"></a>01:26:39 <inode0> whether it is or isn't in the budget we'll send you media and some swag <a name="l-117"></a>01:26:46 <PhrkOnLsh> okay, very cool <a name="l-118"></a>01:27:00 <VileGent> to cut down on confusion can we say ontario linuxfest or ohio linuxfest please <a name="l-119"></a>01:27:08 <StabbyMc> Other events news? <a name="l-120"></a>01:27:19 <PhrkOnLsh> sorry, Ontario <a name="l-121"></a>01:27:23 <VileGent> <a href="http://www.cposc.org/">http://www.cposc.org/</a> <a name="l-122"></a>01:27:46 * jds2001 is doing cposc <a name="l-123"></a>01:27:47 <inode0> PhrkOnLsh: keep poking herlo in the ribs, he is busy with UTOSC but we need to get you approved <a name="l-124"></a>01:27:56 <VileGent> will ship out the horizonal banners tomorrow (been busy with funeral) <a name="l-125"></a>01:28:00 <jds2001> unaware of if brian will be there or not. <a name="l-126"></a>01:28:12 <inode0> oh no <a name="l-127"></a>01:28:15 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: Yeah, I will. <a name="l-128"></a>01:28:23 <jds2001> he's got some $DAYJOB stuff going on :/ <a name="l-129"></a>01:28:26 <inode0> so sorry VileGent <a name="l-130"></a>01:28:36 <jds2001> oh, yeah :( <a name="l-131"></a>01:28:43 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: do I need to do anything besides poke him to get me approved? <a name="l-132"></a>01:29:09 <inode0> ask him one more time where things stand and I'll talk to him if there is an issue <a name="l-133"></a>01:29:17 <PhrkOnLsh> alright, sounds good <a name="l-134"></a>01:29:20 <PhrkOnLsh> thanks, inode0 <a name="l-135"></a>01:29:46 <StabbyMc> VileGent: so what did you wantt o know about cposc? (since jds2001 seems to know something) <a name="l-136"></a>01:30:46 <jds2001> we have a table, we'll need to provide extension cords <a name="l-137"></a>01:30:54 <jds2001> we're unable to hang anything on/from the walls <a name="l-138"></a>01:31:02 * spevack knows that we paid $100 in some sort of sponsorship. We can scrounge up more budget if needed <a name="l-139"></a>01:31:23 <jds2001> spevack: you got my train and hotel in there too, right? <a name="l-140"></a>01:31:53 <VileGent> StabbyMc, i was suppose to send brian the banner for cposc last week but family funeral got in the way <a name="l-141"></a>01:31:53 * inode0 notes we approved travel expenses for jds2001 last meeting <a name="l-142"></a>01:32:07 <inode0> to fill in for Brian on short notice <a name="l-143"></a>01:32:28 <StabbyMc> Where are the vertical 4F banners? <a name="l-144"></a>01:32:35 <VileGent> jds2001, email me your address info and i will send you the banner <a name="l-145"></a>01:32:43 <VileGent> utah <a name="l-146"></a>01:32:48 <jds2001> VileGent: will do right after the meeting <a name="l-147"></a>01:32:48 <spevack> jds2001: yep, just save your receipts <a name="l-148"></a>01:33:07 <jds2001> spevack: i prepaid everything, can i just give you confirmations? <a name="l-149"></a>01:33:21 <jds2001> or do you need something saying i actually did it? <a name="l-150"></a>01:33:31 * jds2001 not sure what to get for the train <a name="l-151"></a>01:33:45 <StabbyMc> Can we get herlo to ship them to jds2001 for CPOSC? Or do we not really care that much? <a name="l-152"></a>01:34:02 <jds2001> it would be great if i had them. <a name="l-153"></a>01:34:04 <inode0> I think he plans to if the timing works out <a name="l-154"></a>01:34:31 <StabbyMc> Cool. Looks like there's a week inbetween the two events. <a name="l-155"></a>01:34:46 <VileGent> the plan was to send to brian <a name="l-156"></a>01:35:07 <VileGent> so if the plans have changed we need to let herlo know <a name="l-157"></a>01:35:13 <StabbyMc> So someone needs to tell herlo about the change? <a name="l-158"></a>01:35:17 <StabbyMc> Gah, beat me to it. <a name="l-159"></a>01:35:19 <VileGent> yes <a name="l-160"></a>01:35:25 <inode0> jds2001 owns it :) <a name="l-161"></a>01:35:29 <jds2001> ok :) <a name="l-162"></a>01:35:40 <VileGent> vertical banners tracking # to herlo 1Z69E53W0361608118 <a name="l-163"></a>01:36:04 <StabbyMc> More events stuff? <a name="l-164"></a>01:36:13 <VileGent> ups <a name="l-165"></a>01:36:30 <StabbyMc> Events going twice <a name="l-166"></a>01:36:49 <PhrkOnLsh> herlo's in #f-ambassadors atm <a name="l-167"></a>01:36:56 * inode0 suggests getting to the budget for the guy who knows about it nods off <a name="l-168"></a>01:36:57 <StabbyMc> Three times... <a name="l-169"></a>01:37:08 <StabbyMc> OK, budget it is. <a name="l-170"></a>01:37:11 <inode0> before <a name="l-171"></a>01:37:20 * StabbyMc yields the floor to spevack <a name="l-172"></a>01:37:25 * herlo is here <a name="l-173"></a>01:37:36 <StabbyMc> herlo: too late, no banners for you. <a name="l-174"></a>01:37:40 <PhrkOnLsh> hahaha <a name="l-175"></a>01:37:43 <jds2001> herlo: i just sent you email <a name="l-176"></a>01:37:47 <herlo> lol <a name="l-177"></a>01:37:49 <herlo> okay <a name="l-178"></a>01:37:52 <herlo> jds2001: kk <a name="l-179"></a>01:38:09 <spevack> well <a name="l-180"></a>01:38:20 <spevack> inode0 and ke4qqq and I chatted a bit before the meeting <a name="l-181"></a>01:38:28 <spevack> Just to do some ballpark thinking about NA budget <a name="l-182"></a>01:38:46 <spevack> Past experiences w/ Media shows us that we should set aside $5k for CDs/DVDs for Fedora 12. <a name="l-183"></a>01:39:00 <spevack> Suggested that we also set aside about $3k for other swag. <a name="l-184"></a>01:39:02 <herlo> yes <a name="l-185"></a>01:39:23 <spevack> That gets us supplied w/ media & swag basically through the end of february, which is the end of Red Hat's fiscal year. <a name="l-186"></a>01:39:28 <slipp3d> any thoughts about moving to usb drive installs instead of cd /dvds???? <a name="l-187"></a>01:39:32 <spevack> So that's $8k. We've spent $4k already this quarter on NA. <a name="l-188"></a>01:39:41 <PhrkOnLsh> spevack: those are more expensive, aren't they? <a name="l-189"></a>01:39:43 <VileGent> slipp3d, too expensive <a name="l-190"></a>01:39:45 <spevack> We're tentatively setting aside another $2k for "stuff we don't know about yet" <a name="l-191"></a>01:39:58 <spevack> <a name="l-192"></a>01:40:01 <spevack> aside from that <a name="l-193"></a>01:40:15 <PhrkOnLsh> er, sorry for the ping, max :-) <a name="l-194"></a>01:40:21 <spevack> any surplus budget in my team's Community Architecture budget is going to be funneled towards FUDCon Toronto <a name="l-195"></a>01:40:29 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: we've talked about going to live ISO only and stopping DVD, but haven't come to any decision. <a name="l-196"></a>01:40:31 <spevack> with the idea of getting more community members to the event with travel subsidies. <a name="l-197"></a>01:40:50 <spevack> That discussion will happen on fudcon-planning list, because pfrields needs to be part of it also. <a name="l-198"></a>01:41:01 <spevack> PhrkOnLsh: USBs are still too expensive, regrettably. <a name="l-199"></a>01:41:05 <spevack> So that's the high level budget update. <a name="l-200"></a>01:41:20 <PhrkOnLsh> spevack: yup, that should've gone to slipp3d ;-) tab-complete fail <a name="l-201"></a>01:41:20 <spevack> I guess I'll yield for questions, and comments. Basically "is there anything NA needs that it's not getting?" <a name="l-202"></a>01:41:33 <spevack> PhrkOnLsh: no worries <a name="l-203"></a>01:41:41 <spevack> EOF <a name="l-204"></a>01:41:48 <jds2001> spevack: a million dollars for each ambassador? :D <a name="l-205"></a>01:41:58 * herlo seconds jds2001's motion <a name="l-206"></a>01:42:01 <StabbyMc> spevack: any inkling about what Big Daddy RH is going to do about the budget in FY11? <a name="l-207"></a>01:42:25 * slipp3d thirds jds2001 <a name="l-208"></a>01:42:29 <slipp3d> :D <a name="l-209"></a>01:42:37 * djf_jeff is away for 10 minutes <a name="l-210"></a>01:43:01 <spevack> StabbyMc: my current speculation would be "no significant changes" and if we have some interesting proposals for a new thing that we want to try in NA that could generate interesting value, then we lobby for some extra budget for that too. <a name="l-211"></a>01:43:20 <spevack> StabbyMc: budget planning doesn't really start until after we all get back from Xmas <a name="l-212"></a>01:43:48 <spevack> er, Winter Holidays. Political Correctness FAIL <a name="l-213"></a>01:44:02 <StabbyMc> spevack: I didn't get into it until February, thought it might have just been my dept. ;-) <a name="l-214"></a>01:44:49 <slipp3d> is there anything in place for getting shirts for people... a few of the people in my area that moved to Fedora would love to order some of the shirts but I don't know where to send them... <a name="l-215"></a>01:45:10 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: We've got some Tees. <a name="l-216"></a>01:45:33 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: I'm working on finding a source for something like an embroidered button up. <a name="l-217"></a>01:46:27 <slipp3d> StabbyMc, when you get a line on those could you email/ping me or something ... a few of the people around here are really wanting them since they moved to fedora <a name="l-218"></a>01:46:45 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: I'll do that. <a name="l-219"></a>01:47:03 <StabbyMc> I know there's significant interest in it, I'll work more on it next week when I'm on the bench. <a name="l-220"></a>01:47:17 <slipp3d> thanks StabbyMc <a name="l-221"></a>01:47:27 <inode0> brand fuel has them for sale I believe <a name="l-222"></a>01:47:39 <slipp3d> if there is anything that I can do to help out let me know... <a name="l-223"></a>01:47:40 <spevack> speaking of Brand Fuel <a name="l-224"></a>01:47:54 <StabbyMc> I posted another swag item to #fedora-ambassadors, and think it got shot down, but just wanted to be sure. Crocs jibbitz or charms; that was a no right? <a name="l-225"></a>01:47:58 <spevack> it's on my TODO list, at the request of the Fedora Board, to "wind down" Fedora's association w/ Brand Fuel. <a name="l-226"></a>01:48:16 <spevack> In short -- buy up whatever swag they still have, and then close down the Fedora portion of the Brand Fuel store <a name="l-227"></a>01:48:37 <spevack> not at the top of my TODO list, but on my TODO list. <a name="l-228"></a>01:49:05 <PhrkOnLsh> spevack: why is that? <a name="l-229"></a>01:49:05 <jds2001> what's the reasoning, just so I know? <a name="l-230"></a>01:49:13 <jds2001> We don't have anything to replace it with atm. <a name="l-231"></a>01:49:29 <StabbyMc> I'm guessing because BrandFuel is crazy expensive... <a name="l-232"></a>01:49:39 <jds2001> that they are.... <a name="l-233"></a>01:49:43 <inode0> they aren't that bad for hats and shirts <a name="l-234"></a>01:49:44 <slipp3d> what is the link for the brandfuel site? <a name="l-235"></a>01:49:58 <crossbytes> <a href="http://www.brandfuel.com/">http://www.brandfuel.com/</a> <a name="l-236"></a>01:49:59 <spevack> StabbyMc: yes, that's the reason <a name="l-237"></a>01:50:09 <inode0> and I'll be sad to see the hats disappear without ever getting one :) <a name="l-238"></a>01:50:10 <jds2001> <a href="http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/">http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/</a> <a name="l-239"></a>01:50:30 <spevack> inode0: only the fedora stuff... if you need a fedora ballcap, i'll make sure you get one :) <a name="l-240"></a>01:50:32 <inode0> because I can't see us producing those any time soon <a name="l-241"></a>01:50:32 <StabbyMc> spevack: are we looking to make money from selling fedora merchandise? <a name="l-242"></a>01:50:54 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: grab one up :-) <a name="l-243"></a>01:51:25 <PhrkOnLsh> what, only ball caps, no fedora? <a name="l-244"></a>01:51:26 * PhrkOnLsh ducks <a name="l-245"></a>01:51:36 <spevack> StabbyMc: depends who you ask. ;) Problem #1 (which is a whole separate conversation) is that there isn't really a great way to manage small amounts of money. <a name="l-246"></a>01:51:39 <jds2001> the RHCE pint glasses are gone! <a name="l-247"></a>01:51:44 <inode0> you can get a fedora too, from the redhat part of the store <a name="l-248"></a>01:52:11 <StabbyMc> spevack: you're referring to the suck that is RH Finance? <a name="l-249"></a>01:52:23 <spevack> spevack: in a more polite way, yes :) <a name="l-250"></a>01:52:54 <inode0> I really don't want to mess with tax and stuff associated with selling on our end <a name="l-251"></a>01:53:38 <inode0> prefer a tip jar :) <a name="l-252"></a>01:53:38 <spevack> yeah... my gut feeling right now is that the amount of work to do this isn't worth the small amount of money that it would be, and that swag-as-marketing-and-general-morale-boosters is the right way to go. <a name="l-253"></a>01:53:43 <StabbyMc> inode0: I don't want to deal with the shipping and stuff associated with selling on our end... <a name="l-254"></a>01:54:09 <spevack> there's more useful things that we can all do w/ our time, IMHO <a name="l-255"></a>01:54:14 <inode0> we deal with that somewhat as producers though <a name="l-256"></a>01:54:38 * slipp3d second spevack thought <a name="l-257"></a>01:54:39 <StabbyMc> spevack: so what I'm taking from this is keep doing what we're doing, but if we happen to run into someone that is an e-tailer who can do all the supply chain stuff for cheap, but kick some good money our way, take note. <a name="l-258"></a>01:54:48 <dramsey> +1 for time and swag-as-marketing-and-general-morale-boosters. :) <a name="l-259"></a>01:55:23 <spevack> StabbyMc: i'd say that's fair <a name="l-260"></a>01:55:24 <inode0> it would be nice to have a store so things were more available to people in the fedora community <a name="l-261"></a>01:55:32 <inode0> I don't think it is about money <a name="l-262"></a>01:55:41 <slipp3d> +1 inode0 ... <a name="l-263"></a>01:55:49 <spevack> inode0: the thing that we made a TODO out of FAD EMEA was a hybrid: <a name="l-264"></a>01:55:52 <inode0> but it is about quality <a name="l-265"></a>01:56:05 <spevack> (1) a ticket tracker for swag to get from point A to point B <a name="l-266"></a>01:56:15 <spevack> (2) a wiki page that is basically "EMEA Swag Inventory" so that people can know what is where <a name="l-267"></a>01:56:24 <spevack> and request stuff appropriately <a name="l-268"></a>01:56:32 <spevack> (3) a direct-bill shipping account like we already have in NA <a name="l-269"></a>01:56:42 <spevack> so it's not a "store" but it's a useful resource <a name="l-270"></a>01:56:47 <StabbyMc> Do we have an inventory page? <a name="l-271"></a>01:56:54 <inode0> no <a name="l-272"></a>01:57:15 <inode0> I'm not overly enthusiastic about counting buttons either :) <a name="l-273"></a>01:57:21 <StabbyMc> lulz <a name="l-274"></a>01:57:34 <spevack> inode0: I'm thinking we could estimate <a name="l-275"></a>01:57:35 <inode0> but I'll play along <a name="l-276"></a>01:57:44 <spevack> "inode0 has a lot of buttons" <a name="l-277"></a>01:57:45 <VileGent> or tats <a name="l-278"></a>01:57:47 <spevack> then two weeks later <a name="l-279"></a>01:57:56 <spevack> "inode0 has a few buttons, probably enough for 2 events" <a name="l-280"></a>01:57:59 <spevack> stuff like that <a name="l-281"></a>01:58:04 <spevack> no one wants to count buttons or tattoos <a name="l-282"></a>01:58:05 <StabbyMc> Time to move on to Task List Review? <a name="l-283"></a>01:58:15 * StabbyMc notes that it's getting late. <a name="l-284"></a>01:58:18 <inode0> our FAIL <a name="l-285"></a>01:58:20 * spevack shuts up :) <a name="l-286"></a>01:58:29 <VileGent> spevack, nope dont shut up <a name="l-287"></a>01:58:51 <jds2001> 10pm is late? <a name="l-288"></a>01:59:03 <jds2001> lets go til 2AM :D <a name="l-289"></a>01:59:07 <StabbyMc> Maybe we can discuss some more in #f-a after the meeting? <a name="l-290"></a>01:59:14 <slipp3d> I like the idea of having a inventory page even if it's just a rough estimates <a name="l-291"></a>01:59:14 <StabbyMc> jds2001: no more Red Bull for you. <a name="l-292"></a>01:59:18 <inode0> from past history I'd say we are finished with the task list now <a name="l-293"></a>01:59:37 <StabbyMc> Ok, so then Open Floor? <a name="l-294"></a>01:59:40 <spevack> +1 to rough estimates, -1 to counting grains of sand <a name="l-295"></a>01:59:40 <inode0> someone really needs to drive that or we should abandon it <a name="l-296"></a>01:59:53 <inode0> the task list could be very useful, if we would use it <a name="l-297"></a>02:00:11 <inode0> if for nothing else than documenting what we accomplish <a name="l-298"></a>02:00:35 <slipp3d> and what is needed to accomplish... <a name="l-299"></a>02:00:51 <inode0> if we put tasks on the task list I could answer that <a name="l-300"></a>02:00:55 <StabbyMc> Maybe instead of a Task List it should be an Accomplishments List? <a name="l-301"></a>02:01:27 <VileGent> well it owuld be nice to have venders of swag we have bought from like the case badges as an example <a name="l-302"></a>02:01:41 <inode0> oh spevack :) <a name="l-303"></a>02:01:53 <spevack> VileGent: <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_vendors">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_vendors</a> <a name="l-304"></a>02:02:04 <spevack> needs a bit of updating, which I will do, since there are vendors listed on another page as well <a name="l-305"></a>02:02:10 <spevack> inode0: is that what you were going to say? <a name="l-306"></a>02:02:20 <inode0> we'll expand that link <a name="l-307"></a>02:02:34 <inode0> no, I just knew you had a link handy <a name="l-308"></a>02:03:07 <dramsey> Yes to updating the link. I have a vendor in North Carolina which does great work and very reasonable pricing. <a name="l-309"></a>02:03:18 <StabbyMc> So then, new business? <a name="l-310"></a>02:03:20 <inode0> vendor of what? <a name="l-311"></a>02:03:26 <dramsey> Oh, shirts and hats. <a name="l-312"></a>02:03:31 * StabbyMc notes that 10:00p is not late, but an hour long meeting is long. <a name="l-313"></a>02:03:36 <inode0> hats, we have our hat man! <a name="l-314"></a>02:03:40 <VileGent> case badges are something that people seems to love as swag and we have had a request for window clings <a name="l-315"></a>02:03:42 <dramsey> The textile factory.... <a name="l-316"></a>02:03:48 <dramsey> Okay. <a name="l-317"></a>02:04:01 <inode0> just a point <a name="l-318"></a>02:04:09 <StabbyMc> I'll update the vendor page to also include the vendor for the Fedora Pens that we used. <a name="l-319"></a>02:04:18 <inode0> this list should be vendors fedora has done business with and is happy with <a name="l-320"></a>02:04:51 <inode0> but we should talk about what they can do and perhaps try them <a name="l-321"></a>02:05:08 <PhrkOnLsh> Offhand: Everyone is invited to ABLEconf, no fees to attend. PROTIP: If you stay until sunday you can blast Aaron Seigo to pieces in Nexuiz. <a name="l-322"></a>02:05:36 <PhrkOnLsh> I gotta hit it, my class is over. May be online later, probably not. <a name="l-323"></a>02:05:37 <inode0> dramsey: are you back in the states now? <a name="l-324"></a>02:05:41 <jds2001> when/where is that? <a name="l-325"></a>02:05:49 <PhrkOnLsh> Phoenix AZ, Oct24 <a name="l-326"></a>02:05:50 <dramsey> Nope...near Tokyo right now. <a name="l-327"></a>02:06:08 <slipp3d> PhrkOnLsh, if I was closer i would be there.... <a name="l-328"></a>02:06:12 <StabbyMc> Ok, so what other new business we got? <a name="l-329"></a>02:06:13 <jds2001> Ahh, cool - I'll be in Fredericksburg VA that day though :( <a name="l-330"></a>02:06:15 <dramsey> I am suppose to do an APAC meeting this weekend, so I am trying practice...I'll be free this weekend, so no on call... :) <a name="l-331"></a>02:06:19 <PhrkOnLsh> ehm, i still have 15min <a name="l-332"></a>02:06:28 <PhrkOnLsh> hi larry <a name="l-333"></a>02:06:34 <StabbyMc> New business? <a name="l-334"></a>02:06:38 * lcafiero sneaks into the back of the room and sits down <a name="l-335"></a>02:06:43 <StabbyMc> Open Floor items? <a name="l-336"></a>02:06:53 <inode0> one thing <a name="l-337"></a>02:07:02 <VileGent> i thought thats what we were doing <a name="l-338"></a>02:07:11 <lcafiero> one thing after inode0 <a name="l-339"></a>02:07:16 <inode0> I have volunteered to stop leading the meetings after next meeting <a name="l-340"></a>02:07:32 * sseiersen is here really late. <a name="l-341"></a>02:07:38 <slipp3d> third thing... <a name="l-342"></a>02:07:38 <PhrkOnLsh> lcafiero: we voted you out of FAmNA while you were gone. <a name="l-343"></a>02:07:44 <inode0> It would be nice if we figured out where we are going so it could be announced next time <a name="l-344"></a>02:07:53 <inode0> not tonight, but between now and then <a name="l-345"></a>02:07:59 <sseiersen> inode0: I can <a name="l-346"></a>02:08:14 <inode0> that was all I had <a name="l-347"></a>02:08:20 <StabbyMc> inode0: if no one objects to how it worked tonight, I can keep doing it too. <a name="l-348"></a>02:08:54 <dramsey> +1 <a name="l-349"></a>02:08:56 * slipp3d thinks that StabbyMc did a nice job.... <a name="l-350"></a>02:09:11 * StabbyMc was fishing for complements, and caught one! <a name="l-351"></a>02:09:16 <StabbyMc> Yea! <a name="l-352"></a>02:09:22 <dramsey> me, too. <a name="l-353"></a>02:09:23 <crossbytes> +1 for StabbyMc <a name="l-354"></a>02:09:32 <PhrkOnLsh> as the first meeting i've attending in #fedora-meeting, +1 :-) <a name="l-355"></a>02:09:54 * VileGent thinks StabbyMc will be doing fine once he figures out the meetbot <a name="l-356"></a>02:10:04 <jds2001> as the umpteenth meeting I've attended in #fedora-meeting, +1 :D <a name="l-357"></a>02:10:08 <inode0> yeah, he has a bit of work there <a name="l-358"></a>02:10:10 <lcafiero> .fas lcafiero <a name="l-359"></a>02:10:11 <zodbot> lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' <<a href="mailto:larrycafiero@cruzio.com">larrycafiero@cruzio.com</a>> <a name="l-360"></a>02:10:12 <spevack> yes, my thanks to StabbyMc for running the meeting <a name="l-361"></a>02:10:20 <lcafiero> just to make it official I attended. <a name="l-362"></a>02:10:24 <jds2001> if you need help with meetbot, I'm one of the experts :D <a name="l-363"></a>02:10:31 <jds2001> me and nirik :) <a name="l-364"></a>02:10:31 <StabbyMc> OK, so I think that's done. <a name="l-365"></a>02:10:34 <jds2001> .fas jstanley <a name="l-366"></a>02:10:35 <zodbot> jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' <<a href="mailto:jonstanley@gmail.com">jonstanley@gmail.com</a>> <a name="l-367"></a>02:10:42 <lcafiero> Announcement? <a name="l-368"></a>02:10:46 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: you said you had an open floor item? <a name="l-369"></a>02:10:54 <lcafiero> Yes, thanks, StabbyMc <a name="l-370"></a>02:11:05 <lcafiero> Utah Open Source Conference starts Thursday. <a name="l-371"></a>02:11:09 <PhrkOnLsh> okay, i"m out, later guys! <a name="l-372"></a>02:11:20 * spevack says goodnight <a name="l-373"></a>02:11:21 <lcafiero> There's a FAD on Thursday at 12:30 MST <a name="l-374"></a>02:11:23 <spevack> "goodnight" <a name="l-375"></a>02:11:30 <PhrkOnLsh> bon nuit <a name="l-376"></a>02:11:32 <lcafiero> I'm losing my audience <a name="l-377"></a>02:11:42 * jds2001 is still here :) <a name="l-378"></a>02:11:46 <StabbyMc> meeting bot is still listening ;-) <a name="l-379"></a>02:11:48 <lcafiero> Anyway, there's a channel on #fedora-fad where you can remotely participate if you so desire. <a name="l-380"></a>02:11:50 <crossbytes> is there going to be an irc? for the FAD <a name="l-381"></a>02:12:00 <lcafiero> #fedora-fad <a name="l-382"></a>02:12:19 <VileGent> lcafiero, 12:30am or pm <a name="l-383"></a>02:12:23 <jds2001> umm, we're somewhat planning on using that channel for F-talk FAD prep, but two can use it i guess <a name="l-384"></a>02:12:24 <lcafiero> Someone in Europe set it up (I can't remember who -- sorry) <a name="l-385"></a>02:12:40 <lcafiero> Well, it could last to 12:30 a.m., but it's 12:30 p.m. Mountain Time <a name="l-386"></a>02:12:49 * inode0 teases with the corn FAD being planned for the middle of next year some time <a name="l-387"></a>02:13:13 <lcafiero> You couldn't use meeting, jds2001? <a name="l-388"></a>02:13:40 * lcafiero is just asking. <a name="l-389"></a>02:13:49 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: you had something for Open Floor? <a name="l-390"></a>02:13:53 <jds2001> lcafiero: it's more of an ad-hoc thing <a name="l-391"></a>02:14:00 <jds2001> our meetings are on tuesdays til the fad <a name="l-392"></a>02:14:04 <lcafiero> Well, it could get confusing. <a name="l-393"></a>02:14:06 <jds2001> so that's no problem there <a name="l-394"></a>02:14:32 <sseiersen> 0 <a name="l-395"></a>02:14:43 <jds2001> we'll use #fedora-admin or whatever <a name="l-396"></a>02:14:56 <lcafiero> thanks, jds2001 <a name="l-397"></a>02:14:59 <lcafiero> I owe you one <a name="l-398"></a>02:15:14 <jds2001> so when's this, just next thursday? <a name="l-399"></a>02:15:23 <slipp3d> never mind StabbyMc I forgot was i was going bring up <a name="l-400"></a>02:15:49 <dramsey> StabbyMc, I had an FYI on F12 thought... <a name="l-401"></a>02:15:49 <VileGent> jds2001, this thursday <a name="l-402"></a>02:16:05 <StabbyMc> dramsey: all you. <a name="l-403"></a>02:16:09 <dramsey> Okay... <a name="l-404"></a>02:16:24 <dramsey> An FYI, from <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule#Fedora_12_Release_Schedule">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule#Fedora_12_Release_Schedule</a> looks like Fedora 12 is now at November 10th. <a name="l-405"></a>02:16:38 <lcafiero> jds2001: yes. <a name="l-406"></a>02:16:41 <dramsey> F12 beta is moved back another week, October 20th, too. <a name="l-407"></a>02:16:47 <dramsey> That's all. <a name="l-408"></a>02:16:48 <dramsey> :) <a name="l-409"></a>02:16:56 <lcafiero> My understanding was that it was for use with fad events, but I could be mistaken <a name="l-410"></a>02:17:01 <jds2001> indeed :( <a name="l-411"></a>02:17:10 <jds2001> lcafiero: we are having a FAD <a name="l-412"></a>02:17:23 <jds2001> around Fedora Talk, but have a lot of prep to do. <a name="l-413"></a>02:17:34 <crossbytes> no that is what it was set up for it was in the list. ur r right Larry <a name="l-414"></a>02:17:37 <inode0> prep somewhere more appropriate :) <a name="l-415"></a>02:18:00 <sseiersen> #UTOSC-FAD ? <a name="l-416"></a>02:18:33 <StabbyMc> Other new business? <a name="l-417"></a>02:18:34 * jds2001 makes #fedora-fad-planning :D <a name="l-418"></a>02:18:38 <inode0> having as many fads as possible use fedora-fad is helpful to us lurking <a name="l-419"></a>02:18:39 * jds2001 shuts up <a name="l-420"></a>02:18:52 * StabbyMc notes we can continue to barrate jds2001 all night in #f-a .. <a name="l-421"></a>02:19:31 <StabbyMc> Other new business? <a name="l-422"></a>02:19:45 <StabbyMc> 3 <a name="l-423"></a>02:19:48 <crossbytes> Joerg Simon set it up I think it should be used as jds2001 wants to but yield to acual fads in progress <a name="l-424"></a>02:19:58 <StabbyMc> 2 <a name="l-425"></a>02:20:13 <StabbyMc> 1 <a name="l-426"></a>02:20:21 <lcafiero> out <a name="l-427"></a>02:20:23 <lcafiero> :-) <a name="l-428"></a>02:20:29 <StabbyMc> Back to #fedora-ambassadors :-) <a name="l-429"></a>02:20:32 <inode0> thanks StabbyMc <a name="l-430"></a>02:20:34 <dramsey> :) Thank you StabbyMc, good job indeed. :) <a name="l-431"></a>02:20:38 <dramsey> out, too. <a name="l-432"></a>02:20:39 <VileGent> StabbyMc, #endmeeting <a name="l-433"></a>02:20:39 <jds2001> you need to end the meeting :) <a name="l-434"></a>02:20:43 <lcafiero> kudos StabbyMc <a name="l-435"></a>02:20:47 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora meetings 'n stuff <a name="l-436"></a>02:20:56 <jds2001> no, #endmeeting <a name="l-437"></a>02:20:59 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting</pre> </div></div>