From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Sun May 6 02:09:35 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 22:09:35 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 Artwork? Message-ID: <200705052209.36035.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Uh, is there a place where one can download multilayer versions of the current F7 theme artwork? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun May 6 12:44:16 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 08:44:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 Artwork? In-Reply-To: <200705052209.36035.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> References: <200705052209.36035.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1178455456.463dcda08fe7e@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Kelly : > Uh, is there a place where one can download multilayer versions of the > current > F7 theme artwork? Hello Kelly, You can find Fedora 7 theme artwork at http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/ This message was written from OLPC XO-2. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From danielnewman12345 at hotmail.com Fri May 4 15:07:40 2007 From: danielnewman12345 at hotmail.com (daniel Newman) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:07:40 +0000 Subject: Help!! Message-ID: I would like to get involved in the Fedora project, I am 14 years old, and although my computer knowledge is quite good I am a bit stuck with some of the registration. I think the main problem is that I have a Windows XP and Vista computer and I am not running Linux ( I am planning to create a Live Cd, and I have ordered one for Ubuntu). I would like to know if their is any way you could help me as I am stuck with actually creating my account as I cannot create a private/public key and a Gps key. I would really like to get involved in writing programs and designing thing for the project as, especially in summer, I will have a lot of time on my hands. I would greatly appreciate if you could help me by giving me a way or an alternative to actually get involved, and then I could get to the tricky stuff like learning coding ect. Many Thanks Daniel _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon May 7 06:48:53 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:48:53 +0300 Subject: Help!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463ECBD5.5070909@nicubunu.ro> daniel Newman wrote: > I would like to get involved in the Fedora project, I am 14 years old, > and although my computer knowledge is quite good I am a bit stuck with > some of the registration. I think the main problem is that I have a > Windows XP and Vista computer and I am not running Linux ( I am planning > to create a Live Cd, and I have ordered one for Ubuntu). I would like to > know if their is any way you could help me as I am stuck with actually > creating my account as I cannot create a private/public key and a Gps > key. I would really like to get involved in writing programs and > designing thing for the project as, especially in summer, I will have a > lot of time on my hands. Daniel, unfortunately you ask in the wronk place, this is the *Art* list, for artwork included in Fedora, like icons, themes, wallpapers. Correct places for your questions are: - for usage questions, the general users list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list - for development https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list - for creating a live CD: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list And it would be a good idea to subscribe to a list before asking questions, this way those will not have to wait for moderation. Have a look at this page for help with SSH and GPG keys: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo > I would greatly appreciate if you could help me by giving me a way or > an alternative to actually get involved, and then I could get to the > tricky stuff like learning coding ect. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Mon May 7 13:10:31 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:10:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 Artwork? In-Reply-To: <1178455456.463dcda08fe7e@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <200705052209.36035.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> <1178455456.463dcda08fe7e@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <463F2547.1030808@redhat.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Quoting Kelly : > >> Uh, is there a place where one can download multilayer versions of the >> current >> F7 theme artwork? > > Hello Kelly, > > You can find Fedora 7 theme artwork at > http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/ Unfortunately those are not multilayer. If multilayer / source versions exist I'm unaware of them. ~m From jjmasek at gmail.com Wed May 9 16:13:19 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:13:19 +0200 Subject: BootGrubSplashImages Message-ID: Hi, I created any images to use them as *Grub Splash Image*, attached previews and archive file, so, if you want to support the idea of experimental designs, you could help me with creating a wiki page named like this *...wiki/Artwork/ExperimentalDesigns/BootGrubSplashImages* JJM -- I'm still learning English... Ji?? Jakub Ma?ek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union http://jjm.xf.cz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 02-splash.png Type: image/png Size: 159875 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am not sure I understand the purpose of those experimental designs: - with Fedora 7 being frozen and so close to release, probably is time to start talking about Fedora 8 graphics; - we don't have any idea about the process of getting graphics for F8: it may come again from the Red Hat Desktop Team (which AFAIK does not have a designer for the moment after Diana's leave) or will involve the community in some form; - if your designs are proposals for F8, maybe a page structure similar with the proposals for F7 would be better; - if those are intended to be *alternate* designs, I still believe another kind of infrastructure (a kind of gallery) would be better than the wiki. Anyway, I am glad to hear from you on the list after quite some time and glad to see an interesting topic, but please keep the size of your attachments down. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jjmasek at gmail.com Thu May 10 07:46:45 2007 From: jjmasek at gmail.com (Jiri Jakub Masek) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:46:45 +0200 Subject: BootGrubSplashImages In-Reply-To: <4642C3E1.7060807@nicubunu.ro> References: <4642C3E1.7060807@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: O.K., Nicu, thanks, page is done now. JJM 2007/5/10, Nicu Buculei : > > Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > > Hi, I created any images to use them as *Grub Splash Image*, attached > > Hi Jiri, > > > previews and archive file, so, if you want to support the idea of > > experimental designs, you could help me with creating a wiki page named > > like this *...wiki/Artwork/ExperimentalDesigns/BootGrubSplashImages* > > You have editing rights to the wiki, so you can do the page yourself, > just open an URL like this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ExperimentalDesigns/BootGrubSplashImages > , > click "Create new empty page" and start adding content to it. > > I am not sure I understand the purpose of those experimental designs: > - with Fedora 7 being frozen and so close to release, probably is time > to start talking about Fedora 8 graphics; > - we don't have any idea about the process of getting graphics for F8: > it may come again from the Red Hat Desktop Team (which AFAIK does not > have a designer for the moment after Diana's leave) or will involve the > community in some form; > - if your designs are proposals for F8, maybe a page structure similar > with the proposals for F7 would be better; > - if those are intended to be *alternate* designs, I still believe > another kind of infrastructure (a kind of gallery) would be better than > the wiki. > > Anyway, I am glad to hear from you on the list after quite some time and > glad to see an interesting topic, but please keep the size of your > attachments down. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- I'm still learning English... 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This one is a bit more interesting, it works just fine for the .dll files. Only has the problem for the .exe. It loads the application-x-executable.png file instead. Any ideas? --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leadgolem13 at yahoo.com Sat May 12 19:38:20 2007 From: leadgolem13 at yahoo.com (Greg Schick) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Well, I fixed one. Message-ID: <355853.73160.qm@web36210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I managed to correct the bug with the ogg mimetype by linking the file to gnome-mime-application-ogg.png I also linked my wine mimetype icon to gnome-mime-application-x-ms-dos-executable.png ,but that didn't help. --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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Regards, Fabian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGSMJF4jzS3TakOX8RAh8aAJ4oDHJz2xvKydjWlsr7kwKmps5ltACfdifU gE2rCMcGtL45M5Bxd9tA+Q8= =VD5S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com Tue May 15 11:15:28 2007 From: ben.arnold.inbox at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:15:28 +0100 Subject: Banner for Ambassador Program In-Reply-To: <4648C245.5060507@fedoraproject.org> References: <4648C245.5060507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0705150415q129e813ahbc52b3336f59b91f@mail.gmail.com> On 14/05/07, Fabian Affolter wrote: > A while ago i have posted a request for a new banner for the Ambassador > Program in the DesignService [1] section. The intention was to have the > same banner style like docs, infrastructure and artwork on the wiki > before release of F7. Unfortunately nobody has claimed the request. > Now i'm bringing this to the mailing list because i hope to find > somebody with a little bit of time to design us a banner. Many thanks. Hi Fabian, Thanks for the e-mail, is this prototype banner design by Nicu the one relating to your request? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=AmbassadorsN1.png If it is not, do you have any preference as to the icon or other areas of design? Perhaps a people icon would suit more than a globe. Ben -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue May 15 11:31:44 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:31:44 +0300 Subject: Banner for Ambassador Program In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0705150415q129e813ahbc52b3336f59b91f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4648C245.5060507@fedoraproject.org> <9c3bfa1d0705150415q129e813ahbc52b3336f59b91f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46499A20.2000307@nicubunu.ro> Ben Arnold wrote: > > Thanks for the e-mail, is this prototype banner design by Nicu the one > relating to your request? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=AmbassadorsN1.png Thomas Chung already took that banner and put it on the Ambassador pages. > If it is not, do you have any preference as to the icon or other areas > of design? Perhaps a people icon would suit more than a globe. I had also my doubts about using a globe (but it is not entirely bad, the ambassadors are supposed to cover the whole globe, right?). For the other areas, I think is a good thing for this banner to fit the other banners (docs, art, infrastructure) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From gerold at lugd.org Tue May 15 11:55:56 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:55:56 +0200 Subject: Banner for Ambassador Program In-Reply-To: <46499A20.2000307@nicubunu.ro> References: <4648C245.5060507@fedoraproject.org> <9c3bfa1d0705150415q129e813ahbc52b3336f59b91f@mail.gmail.com> <46499A20.2000307@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1179230156.3896.3.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Oh, .... you misunderstood Fabian and my request; we need a banner for things like http://www.easydisplay.com/Easy-UP-02-Budget-p-89.html?cPath=36&products_id=89&cart_quantity=1&osCsid=dce56afab2010e860aafb46a8e01e007 or http://www.bannersysteme.at/html/roll_up_roll-up_roll_up_premiu.html in a comfortable size for printing. Thanks for your help Regards Gerold Am Dienstag, den 15.05.2007, 14:31 +0300 schrieb Nicu Buculei: > Ben Arnold wrote: > > > > Thanks for the e-mail, is this prototype banner design by Nicu the one > > relating to your request? > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=AmbassadorsN1.png > > Thomas Chung already took that banner and put it on the Ambassador pages. > > > If it is not, do you have any preference as to the icon or other areas > > of design? Perhaps a people icon would suit more than a globe. > > I had also my doubts about using a globe (but it is not entirely bad, > the ambassadors are supposed to cover the whole globe, right?). For the > other areas, I think is a good thing for this banner to fit the other > banners (docs, art, infrastructure) -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The intention was to have the same banner style like docs, infrastructure and artwork on the wiki before release of F7." > http://www.easydisplay.com/Easy-UP-02-Budget-p-89.html?cPath=36&products_id=89&cart_quantity=1&osCsid=dce56afab2010e860aafb46a8e01e007 > > or > > http://www.bannersysteme.at/html/roll_up_roll-up_roll_up_premiu.html > > in a comfortable size for printing. OK, this is a different request, we can try to fulfill (I don't have experience with printed banners yet). What are the constraints? Size, number of colors, file formats, resolution (in DPI)? (I expect there are some alternatives which are tied to the product price). Also, there are certain things (images/logos) or messages you want included? Do you know this poster: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/StatisticsPoster ? [1] - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-May/msg00010.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue May 15 17:31:54 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:31:54 +0200 Subject: Banner for Ambassador Program In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0705150415q129e813ahbc52b3336f59b91f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4648C245.5060507@fedoraproject.org> <9c3bfa1d0705150415q129e813ahbc52b3336f59b91f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4649EE8A.20809@fedoraproject.org> Ben Arnold schrieb: > If it is not, do you have any preference as to the icon or other areas > of design? Perhaps a people icon would suit more than a globe. It seems that everybody like the banner with the globe. Thomas Chung has placed it allready to all pages related to the ambassador programm.. So I can only say "Thank you Nicu" and "Thank you Ben" for your time. Regards, Fabian From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue May 15 17:35:38 2007 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:35:38 +0200 Subject: Banner for Ambassador Program In-Reply-To: <4649A312.2040604@nicubunu.ro> References: <4648C245.5060507@fedoraproject.org> <9c3bfa1d0705150415q129e813ahbc52b3336f59b91f@mail.gmail.com> <46499A20.2000307@nicubunu.ro> <1179230156.3896.3.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> <4649A312.2040604@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4649EF6A.9080801@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei schrieb: > Gerold Kassube wrote: >> you misunderstood Fabian and my request; we need a banner for things >> like I have requested a new banner for the ambassador project. We have talked about that a few weeks ago during an ambassador meeting. The request from Gerold is about LinuxTag, i think. Regards, Fabian From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Wed May 16 18:30:43 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:30:43 -0400 Subject: Playing around with the wallpaper Message-ID: <200705161430.43758.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> I was playing around with the wallpaper, and I came up with this. http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/dp_stuff/fedora/flyinghigh.jpg -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From leadgolem13 at yahoo.com Thu May 17 03:49:25 2007 From: leadgolem13 at yahoo.com (Greg Schick) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Playing around with the wallpaper In-Reply-To: <200705161430.43758.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> Message-ID: <496740.26497.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice, a little dark, but very nice. Kelly wrote: I was playing around with the wallpaper, and I came up with this. http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/dp_stuff/fedora/flyinghigh.jpg -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I am subjective, I like dark wallpapers... > */Kelly /* wrote: > I was playing around with the wallpaper, and I came up with this. > > http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/dp_stuff/fedora/flyinghigh.jpg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 17 14:41:30 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:30 -0400 Subject: Playing around with the wallpaper In-Reply-To: <464BF00E.4080409@nicubunu.ro> References: <496740.26497.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <464BF00E.4080409@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <464C699A.4090904@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Greg Schick wrote: >> Nice, a little dark, but very nice. > > +1, I find it more unobtrusive compared with the default. > But I am subjective, I like dark wallpapers... +1 less distracting, I love it! ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Thu May 17 15:26:47 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:26:47 +0200 Subject: Playing around with the wallpaper In-Reply-To: <464C699A.4090904@redhat.com> References: <496740.26497.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <464BF00E.4080409@nicubunu.ro> <464C699A.4090904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <464C7437.1000603@seznam.cz> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Greg Schick wrote: >>> Nice, a little dark, but very nice. >> >> +1, I find it more unobtrusive compared with the default. >> But I am subjective, I like dark wallpapers... > > +1 less distracting, I love it! > > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > +1 though I would darken the mountains in backwards' edges a little... ;-) Martin From andy at andrewprice.me.uk Fri May 18 02:30:51 2007 From: andy at andrewprice.me.uk (Andrew Price) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 03:30:51 +0100 Subject: General Backup Icon Request Message-ID: Hi, I was pointed at the DesignService wiki page by Rahul Sundaram on my review request [0] but the page doesn't seem to be editable so I'm mailing this list. My apologies if I've emailed against this list's etiquette/purpose. I've looked far and wide for an icon that generally represents the concept of backing up files and I've failed to find one. I would be very grateful if somebody could create one that I could package with my backup program, pybackpack (and that others could use also). The only image I can think of is a picture of a folder with a sort of "ghost" folder offset from it, representing it being copied. There are probably better ideas to be thunk up, though. As an aside, I'm also looking for a new logo/emblem/mascot for my program [1], preferably one without a snake in it :) If anyone is interested, I'd love to hear your ideas. Thank you for your time [0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=221884 [1] http://andrewprice.me.uk/projects/pybackpack/ -- Andy Price http://andrewprice.me.uk From leadgolem13 at yahoo.com Fri May 18 03:18:25 2007 From: leadgolem13 at yahoo.com (Greg Schick) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: General Backup Icon Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <606094.42778.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with using your existing mascot for an icon. If you have the source images you may want to move the snake from the back to the front. Might make an icon that is a little complex for scaling to 24x24... Give me a couple days, I'll see what I can come up with. Andrew Price wrote: Hi, I was pointed at the DesignService wiki page by Rahul Sundaram on my review request [0] but the page doesn't seem to be editable so I'm mailing this list. My apologies if I've emailed against this list's etiquette/purpose. I've looked far and wide for an icon that generally represents the concept of backing up files and I've failed to find one. I would be very grateful if somebody could create one that I could package with my backup program, pybackpack (and that others could use also). The only image I can think of is a picture of a folder with a sort of "ghost" folder offset from it, representing it being copied. There are probably better ideas to be thunk up, though. As an aside, I'm also looking for a new logo/emblem/mascot for my program [1], preferably one without a snake in it :) If anyone is interested, I'd love to hear your ideas. Thank you for your time [0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=221884 [1] http://andrewprice.me.uk/projects/pybackpack/ -- Andy Price http://andrewprice.me.uk _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri May 18 10:20:29 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:20:29 +0200 Subject: shutdown compared ubuntu vs fedora Message-ID: <64b14b300705180320t39d003c9y92c02997191c3c2a@mail.gmail.com> Hi. I started a thread on fedora-desktop mailing list and they suggested you also get involved you I joined this list also. Here are some of the key points from thread going on fedora-desktop mailing list. Valent Turkovic: I used Mint Linux (ubuntu derivative) and loved it's shutdown button. This looks to me much more user friendly than one we have on Fedora. First buttons for shutdown, restart, sleep and log-off have icons - and fedora has only naked buttons. The screen dims when you click on shutdown - really nice effect. This looks to me as standard Ubuntu button and not something ubuntu has made them selves so I was puzzled when I didn't see it in Fedora 7 test 3 or 4. Can you also include this - a much better version of shutdown button than one fedora currently uses. It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora IMHO). Please look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWuZvOAAE9c Matthias Clasen: > The logout dialog is one of the best-hated derivations from upstream > that you can find in Ubuntu. Hated by whom? And why? Can you explain a bit? >Don't expect us to blindly follow them > where they err, just because it looks shiny. I don't care if it is ubunut, gentoo, opensuse or fedora... but when I as a user see when one distro has taken one component and really made it shine (not as eyecandy) for users and made it much more user friendly and made it better usabillity wise ie. big icons that users get right away - that makes me want to see that kind of progress on all other linux desktops. Why do you thing that it is a mistake? Because they did it themselves independent of Gnome? I thought that it was part of gnome but that just fedora wasn't using it. Gnome people should see this as work done for them and include it in gnome.... if they like it. Or atlest give us users option to choose which shutdown button we would use. Jeroen van Meeuwen: > IMHO, a shutdown button is a shutdown button... it shuts your computer > down... if you want eye-candy (apart from whatever anyone subjectively > considers eye-candy), you shouldn't shut down the computer in the first > place. If you looked atleast at one desktop usability study you wouldn't say such tings. Buttons matter to users, colors of buttons matter... the shape of buttons also matters... Rogue: I am not an active poster on this thread, but I do believe that this would be the right list to discuss the OP's issue. Isn't this supposed to be the fedora usability list? If we do come to the agreement that an icon along with the text makes more sense, then we could request the art-team, or the team incharge to incorporate the changes. In the current dialog, I do see a certain usability hindrance. I am typically used to shutting down my laptop before heading to work. Recently when I wished to hibernate the system instead, I found myself taking the effort of reading the text to get to the action that I intended to perform. I am not stating that icons are useless. Just that, it is easier for a lot of people to associate an image with an action. If appropriate icons were made available, and if I had used those icons through the menu-items, then at one glance, I would know the button to click on (within the shutdown dialog). Regarding the question on the surrounding items being dimmed, I believe this is a feature that a lot of new generation applications are also taking up. I do not have the links to prove my point at the moment, but I shall do my research on get back to you on it. I *guess* the idea here is to gain the user's attention towards the action in question, but I may be wrong on this one :-) Steffen Kluge: > > It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button > > integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora > > IMHO). > > I for one are no fan of lumping logout and shutdown together. They are > fundamentally different tasks, at least if you come from a Unix > background. When you say "unix" I hear "servers". Fedora should be more about desktop and user experience with this great desktop. You should look more towards the OSX than to unix in these matters. Look just what Apple has made with an "unix" system when they combined a great user experience. I still prefer Fedora to OSX, but I must say Fedora could do better it it borrowed some of the great solutions on OSX desktop. Different pieces should be logically grouped together even if the are for different tasks - that is done all the time - so I don't see any argument not to do it here. For a better desktop workflow for me it is nor logical to have two buttons - especially because you really have to look hard at them to make the distinction - and if you put them on gnome panel you have two buttons instead of one. To be more clear - I am talking about merging functionality of gnome panel buttons. In "System" gnome menu there is possibly a case for leaving them separate - but when I look at them now they look too similar - and it there wasn't text beside them I would have to give them a really hard look before deciding which button to push. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri May 18 18:43:09 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:43:09 -0700 Subject: shutdown compared ubuntu vs fedora In-Reply-To: <64b14b300705180320t39d003c9y92c02997191c3c2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300705180320t39d003c9y92c02997191c3c2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464DF3BD.9000507@thefinalzone.com> For a better view Ubuntu 7.04 shutdown http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=790&slide=34 Valent Turkovic wrote: > > This looks to me much more user friendly than one we have on Fedora. > > First buttons for shutdown, restart, sleep and log-off have icons - > and fedora has only naked buttons. > The screen dims when you click on shutdown - really nice effect. It is not that new at all. I have seen similar layout on Microsoft Windows XP. I have spotted a problem with Ubuntu approach. Take a look at the menu[1]. How can you tell that "Quit" item lead to Log Out, Shutdown, Switch user? Most users will assume Quit mean Log Out text alone. With the shutdown button, "Quit" will mean shutdown the system which only add confusion. It becomes clear that approach is already flawed from the beginning. The dim effect was existing on previous version of Fedora but it is disabled upstream if I remember correctly. > This looks to me as standard Ubuntu button and not something ubuntu > has made them selves so I was puzzled when I didn't see it in Fedora 7 > test 3 or 4. > > Can you also include this - a much better version of shutdown button > than one fedora currently uses. I think adding icons on each button should be helpful in Fedora 7 case. > > > It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button > integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora > IMHO). > I think it should be separated. Log out is not the same thing with shutdown. Putting them altogether will only confuse users. Just because that layout is usably for you does not mean the same for others. [1] http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=790&slide=28 -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Art Team From leadgolem13 at yahoo.com Fri May 18 19:51:36 2007 From: leadgolem13 at yahoo.com (Greg Schick) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: shutdown compared ubuntu vs fedora In-Reply-To: <464DF3BD.9000507@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <356824.49986.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I actually agree with the point that icons matter to users. I started creating my gnome theme based on that concept. It is useable, but still has a few bugs. I did replace the shutdown and logout button though. I also completed the them after the fedora 7 freeze. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blended+Crystal+lite?content=58001 Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: For a better view Ubuntu 7.04 shutdown http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=790&slide=34 Valent Turkovic wrote: > > This looks to me much more user friendly than one we have on Fedora. > > First buttons for shutdown, restart, sleep and log-off have icons - > and fedora has only naked buttons. > The screen dims when you click on shutdown - really nice effect. It is not that new at all. I have seen similar layout on Microsoft Windows XP. I have spotted a problem with Ubuntu approach. Take a look at the menu[1]. How can you tell that "Quit" item lead to Log Out, Shutdown, Switch user? Most users will assume Quit mean Log Out text alone. With the shutdown button, "Quit" will mean shutdown the system which only add confusion. It becomes clear that approach is already flawed from the beginning. The dim effect was existing on previous version of Fedora but it is disabled upstream if I remember correctly. > This looks to me as standard Ubuntu button and not something ubuntu > has made them selves so I was puzzled when I didn't see it in Fedora 7 > test 3 or 4. > > Can you also include this - a much better version of shutdown button > than one fedora currently uses. I think adding icons on each button should be helpful in Fedora 7 case. > > > It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button > integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora > IMHO). > I think it should be separated. Log out is not the same thing with shutdown. Putting them altogether will only confuse users. Just because that layout is usably for you does not mean the same for others. [1] http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=790&slide=28 -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Art Team _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nisses.mail at home.se Sat May 19 10:47:44 2007 From: nisses.mail at home.se (Andreas Nilsson) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:47:44 +0200 Subject: shutdown compared ubuntu vs fedora In-Reply-To: <64b14b300705180320t39d003c9y92c02997191c3c2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300705180320t39d003c9y92c02997191c3c2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464ED5D0.2060607@home.se> Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi. I started a thread on fedora-desktop mailing list and they > suggested you also get involved you I joined this list also. Here are > some of the key points from thread going on fedora-desktop mailing > list. > > Please look at the video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWuZvOAAE9c > > Matthias Clasen: > >> The logout dialog is one of the best-hated derivations from upstream >> that you can find in Ubuntu. > > Hated by whom? And why? Can you explain a bit? Hi Valent! Funny thing is that some people have asked the Ubuntu dialog to be replaced by the one used in SLED 10 SP1. :) [1] Sorry, but the current logout/shutdown/whatever dialog in Ubuntu is quite bad and mostly just a copy of the one used in WinXP, but with some more crack added. These actions can and must be designed in a better way, putting some shiny graphics there won't do much help. Some interesting reading on the subject can be found by Joel [2], Moishe [3] and Arno [4] Regarding the symbols used in the Ubuntu I find most, if not all of them a bit weird. The button used for hibernate looks the same as the one I press when I start my Dell laptop in the morning. Ubuntu's sleep symbol looks the same, but use another color. I therefore find it a bit confusing when the words and symbols used conflict. What do I trust, the symbol or the verb? 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/50209 2. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000356.html 3. http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html 4. http://arno.org/blog/2006/11/design-of-mac-os-x-shutdown-feature.html - Andreas From notting at redhat.com Wed May 23 01:08:43 2007 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:08:43 -0400 Subject: Vote for the (probable) name of Fedora 7! Message-ID: <20070523010843.GA28513@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> The board has sent a list of suggested names for Fedora 7 to our legal department, and they have responded with the names that have passed preliminary legal approval. Please vote for your favorite choice at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/vote.cgi The choices are 'Lee', 'Sherman', 'Nothing', 'Cylon', 'Moonshine', 'Siegfried'. You will need to log in with your Fedora account system user/password. Voting will be open until 2007-05-25 00:00:00 UTC. Thanks to Toshio Kuratomi for getting this set up. We apologize for the short voting timeframe - final legal approval can take up to five days, and we'd really like to avoid slipping solely for the name of the release. If there end up being legal issues with the name selected, the Board will decide on the name. (Who knows, could end up being Zod 2: Electric Zod-a-loo). Bill From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Wed May 23 18:15:28 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:15:28 -0700 Subject: Vote for the (probable) name of Fedora 7! In-Reply-To: <20070523010843.GA28513@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20070523010843.GA28513@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <465484C0.4090603@thefinalzone.com> Done although release name isn't that interesting. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Art Team From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 24 14:56:39 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:56:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers Message-ID: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> Hey folks! So it's that time again! :) We need artwork for the Fedora 7 CD labels and covers!: 1) Spin name: The official spins that will be released are (1) Live CD (2) Fedora (workstation/core basically) (3) Everything. So we'll need labels for each of those if possible - and, it would be cool to also have a set of labels that has a blank white (or light-colored) space so folks building their own custom spins can easily use the labels for whatever they want to call their spin. 2) Arches: we should have labels/covers for x86 and x86_64. 3) Source artwork: we should of course make the svgs available so if they wanted it printed out in the font they could do that also. We should also use an open font (like the new liberation fonts) for the spin label. We can start with the designs available at the bottom of http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/ for a start, but these have too many colors and will be too expensive to print, so if we choose to go with them they'll need modification. I'm going to try to come up with a basic SVG template and send it out tonight, but if you have any ideas / concepts / artwork / mockups please send them! It would be awesome (i know short notice sorry!!) if we could have a good idea of the design by Sunday. In case it's helpful, this is a screenshot of the firefox startpage design i threw together: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/web/homepage/screenshot.png The artwork in the upper left is: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/web/homepage/clouds.png And the SVG for it is on my system at home so I will send that out tonight if anybody thinks it might be helpful. Thanks! ~m From gerold at lugd.org Thu May 24 20:47:45 2007 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:47:45 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1180039665.3760.8.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Hi M?ir?n, we need the Baloon theme picture (http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/09Alock-dialog-system.png) in a 300 dpi eps or svg format (for Linuxtag Germany) Would you please so kind and help us? Thanks in advance ... Regards Gerold Am Donnerstag, den 24.05.2007, 10:56 -0400 schrieb M?ir?n Duffy: > Hey folks! > > So it's that time again! :) > > We need artwork for the Fedora 7 CD labels and covers!: > > 1) Spin name: The official spins that will be released are (1) Live CD > (2) Fedora (workstation/core basically) (3) Everything. So we'll need > labels for each of those if possible - and, it would be cool to also > have a set of labels that has a blank white (or light-colored) space so > folks building their own custom spins can easily use the labels for > whatever they want to call their spin. > > 2) Arches: we should have labels/covers for x86 and x86_64. > > 3) Source artwork: we should of course make the svgs available so if > they wanted it printed out in the font they could do that also. We > should also use an open font (like the new liberation fonts) for the > spin label. > > We can start with the designs available at the bottom of > http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/ for a start, but these have > too many colors and will be too expensive to print, so if we choose to > go with them they'll need modification. > > I'm going to try to come up with a basic SVG template and send it out > tonight, but if you have any ideas / concepts / artwork / mockups please > send them! > > It would be awesome (i know short notice sorry!!) if we could have a > good idea of the design by Sunday. > > In case it's helpful, this is a screenshot of the firefox startpage > design i threw together: > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/web/homepage/screenshot.png > > The artwork in the upper left is: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/web/homepage/clouds.png > > And the SVG for it is on my system at home so I will send that out > tonight if anybody thinks it might be helpful. > > Thanks! > ~m > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 24 21:46:49 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:46:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180039665.3760.8.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <1180039665.3760.8.camel@Amilo-GK.homenet.local> Message-ID: <465607C9.1020606@redhat.com> Hi Gerold, Gerold Kassube wrote: > Hi M?ir?n, > > we need the Baloon theme picture > (http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/09Alock-dialog-system.png) > in a 300 dpi eps or svg format (for Linuxtag Germany) > > Would you please so kind and help us? I'm sorry but the only file resources we have for the F7 theme are on that page. :( What are you looking to do? ~m From baerjj at gmail.com Fri May 25 01:09:33 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:09:33 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <20070524160006.291EB73381@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20070524160006.291EB73381@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1180055373.5663.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 12:00 -0400, fedora-art-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > > In case it's helpful, this is a screenshot of the firefox startpage > design i threw together: > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/web/homepage/screenshot.png > Mo, +1, very nice ... John From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 25 06:02:54 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:02:54 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > I'm going to try to come up with a basic SVG template and send it out > tonight, but if you have any ideas / concepts / artwork / mockups please > send them! Okay, so here's my first cut at an attempt, using a CD/DVD template from [1]: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/fc7-cddesign_preview.png Source is here, which includes the aforementioned balloons + clouds artwork: http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/cd-label_fedora-7.svg The fonts used (besides the logo of course) are all Liberation Sans with some Inkscape-rounded-stroke trickery. What do y'all think, is this the right direction? Anyone want to grab the source file and have at it? ~m [1] http://kev.coolcavemen.com/2006/09/cd-templates-for-jewel-case-in-svg/ From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri May 25 06:36:42 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:36:42 +0300 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > Okay, so here's my first cut at an attempt, using a CD/DVD template from > [1]: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/fc7-cddesign_preview.png > > Source is here, which includes the aforementioned balloons + clouds > artwork: > > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/cd-label_fedora-7.svg Ops! I caught you... :p The embedded bitmap is watermarked :D > The fonts used (besides the logo of course) are all Liberation Sans with > some Inkscape-rounded-stroke trickery. I know I am nitpicking and Bitstream Vera fonts are free, but you used Libertine on the banner and Bistream Vera on the CD (and yes, one can see thisonly looking at the source). > What do y'all think, is this the right direction? Anyone want to grab > the source file and have at it? Ignore my whining above, I like your design very much. Just consider the legal disclaimer will be much longer, probably 4 rows (based on the previous designs). And how about using white for the "Live CD x86" text? I find that more readable on the dark background. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 25 14:56:44 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:56:44 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ops! I caught you... :p The embedded bitmap is watermarked :D Which the screenshot? Hehehe :) >> The fonts used (besides the logo of course) are all Liberation Sans >> with some Inkscape-rounded-stroke trickery. > > I know I am nitpicking and Bitstream Vera fonts are free, but you used > Libertine on the banner and Bistream Vera on the CD (and yes, one can > see thisonly looking at the source). UGH! I keep having this issue with Liberation Sans in Inkscape. I pick Liberation Sans, and it definitely LOOKS like Liberation sans, but then it somehow switches itself to Bitstream Vera or Luxi Sans when I copy it (in the font dropdown! It's the weirdest, most annoying thing!) I don't get what's going on there. I will have to pay more attention to the SVG output and edit by hand. >> What do y'all think, is this the right direction? Anyone want to grab >> the source file and have at it? > > Ignore my whining above, I like your design very much. Just consider the > legal disclaimer will be much longer, probably 4 rows (based on the > previous designs). lol, yep, I was too lazy to copy it in,w > > And how about using white for the "Live CD x86" text? I find that more > readable on the dark background. +1. Also, the larger balloon on the left looks like someone got hungry and took a bite out of its left side, so that needs some touching up, and I think the clouds could be tweaked to look a little nicer. ~m From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri May 25 15:09:22 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> FYI the liberation fonts are nice and it's certainly worth showcasing them but they're not Fedora 7 default fonts, since they lack extended glyph coverage and lack hinting. -- Nicolas Mailhot From mclasen at redhat.com Fri May 25 17:38:30 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:38:30 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 17:09 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > FYI the liberation fonts are nice and it's certainly worth showcasing > them but they're not Fedora 7 default fonts, since they lack extended > glyph coverage and lack hinting. Yes, so what ? Are you going to bring this up every time somebody mentions Liberation ? From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri May 25 19:16:20 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:16:20 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le vendredi 25 mai 2007 ? 13:38 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 17:09 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > FYI the liberation fonts are nice and it's certainly worth showcasing > > them but they're not Fedora 7 default fonts, since they lack extended > > glyph coverage and lack hinting. > > Yes, so what ? So using them systematically is not reflecting the project state accurately, and it will hurt the local Fedora groups when they try to localise Fedora marketing material and discover their language is just not supported. > Are you going to bring this up every time somebody > mentions Liberation ? Please. I wrote nice things about the font, and only stated the plain truth. And since you insist I'll add this. Red Hat made a donation. A great one. You're entitled as a Red Hat employee to be proud of your company. But how does it reflect on Fedora? Not at all. At no stage was the Fedora community involved in Liberation. You want info on it you'd better be a journalist and call Red Hat press contacts because you sure won't get any by asking on community lists. The official Liberation page accurately reflect this fact with its Red Hat branding and lack of any fedoraproject.org link or contact. I do some stuff for the Fedora community. I'm happy to see Red Hat Fedora members cheer about some good action their company did. I'm less happy, more accurately I'm deeply uncomfortable with the way non-technical Fedora groups are incited to make Liberation a Fedora emblem. You're supposed to be proud of your emblems. But how can I be proud of Liberation? It happened and still happens outside Fedora?. It's not even the result of some other community work, but was bought from a professional closed-fonts foundry?. What's the relationship of Liberation with the Fedora community work I value? None that I can easily see. ? Except perhaps when I donated some of my free time to help push the font package in the distribution, so reality didn't clash overmuch with the PR noise ? whose copyright BTW is the only one embedded in the font files -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is indeed a valid point, and you should have mentioned that concern in your first mail. No need to bring any real or imagined RH vs. community conflict into this. From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri May 25 20:19:10 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:19:10 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180121325.20136.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180121325.20136.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1180124350.3407.89.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le vendredi 25 mai 2007 ? 15:28 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 21:16 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > So using them systematically is not reflecting the project state > > accurately, and it will hurt the local Fedora groups when they try to > > localise Fedora marketing material and discover their language is just > > not supported. > > This is indeed a valid point, and you should have mentioned that concern > in your first mail. I though I did. "they lack extended glyph coverage". Maybe too technical for every reader on this list but certainly not too technical for you. > No need to bring any real or imagined RH vs. community conflict into this. Since your answer to my purely technical and bland message could have been interpreted as a conflict I've preferred to do full disclosure of my feelings on the subject. Feelings are particularly appropriate on this list since it's tasked with creating artwork (translating/conveying/creating emotions from pictures). Lastly I don't see where I wrote about a conflict. I wrote about differences of appreciation, which happen in a community where persons with different backgrounds freely interact. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"they lack extended glyph coverage". Maybe too technical > for every reader on this list but certainly not too technical for you. I might have picked it up, but you muddied the waters with a reference to default fonts... From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Fri May 25 20:49:07 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:49:07 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180124385.3441.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180121325.20136.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180124350.3407.89.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180124385.3441.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1180126147.3407.104.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le vendredi 25 mai 2007 ? 16:19 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 22:19 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le vendredi 25 mai 2007 ? 15:28 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > > > On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 21:16 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So using them systematically is not reflecting the project state > > > > accurately, and it will hurt the local Fedora groups when they try to > > > > localise Fedora marketing material and discover their language is just > > > > not supported. > > > > > > This is indeed a valid point, and you should have mentioned that concern > > > in your first mail. > > > > I though I did. "they lack extended glyph coverage". Maybe too technical > > for every reader on this list but certainly not too technical for you. > > I might have picked it up, but you muddied the waters with a reference > to default fonts... So? Are you suggesting it would be a good thing if CD/DVD look diverged significantly from the Fedora desktop ones? We sync the sleeve decorations and colours with the release default background. Why should we not sync the sleeve fonts with the default desktop fonts? Fonts contribute to the theming too. Moreover the desktop and art team have mostly the same font constraints (put FLOSS projects first, provide readable text to the same users with the same langages & scripts, etc). So distribution font choices are certainly relevant to the art team. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 25 22:52:52 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:52:52 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180126147.3407.104.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180121325.20136.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180124350.3407.89.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180124385.3441.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180126147.3407.104.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <465768C4.1080005@redhat.com> Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > So? Are you suggesting it would be a good thing if CD/DVD look diverged > significantly from the Fedora desktop ones? We sync the sleeve > decorations and colours with the release default background. Why should > we not sync the sleeve fonts with the default desktop fonts? Fonts > contribute to the theming too. Maybe I can help give a little perspective here? That the fonts complement each other on the desktop and in marketing materials like wallpapers/theme, and print materials like DVD sleeves and posters, etc. is important, of course. They do not, however, have to be the same font. It does indeed *sound* like a good idea but from my POV as someone who has a lot of experience designing both for-print and for-screen materials, who'd like us designing compelling print and marketing materials, I don't think it's a reasonable thing to expect. Maybe I am just being a silly designer here, but fonts that look good in print can be quite different than fonts that look good on screen! Fonts that are used for marketing materials, eg for titling ('Live CD x86') are not necessarily the fonts you want to use for large bodies of text meant to be read comfortably on a screen! Does that mean we should limit ourselves to using fonts that were designed for screen on marketing materials? I don't think we should. > Moreover the desktop and art team have mostly the same font constraints > (put FLOSS projects first, provide readable text to the same users with > the same langages & scripts, etc). So distribution font choices are > certainly relevant to the art team. Readable on screen != readable in print. Stylish for a creative treatment != readable on screen. Etc. etc :) My POV, the more free & open fonts provided by default in the distro, the merrier. ~m From duffy at redhat.com Fri May 25 23:08:50 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:08:50 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le vendredi 25 mai 2007 ? 13:38 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : >> On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 17:09 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>> FYI the liberation fonts are nice and it's certainly worth showcasing >>> them but they're not Fedora 7 default fonts, since they lack extended >>> glyph coverage and lack hinting. >> Yes, so what ? > > So using them systematically is not reflecting the project state > accurately, and it will hurt the local Fedora groups when they try to > localise Fedora marketing material and discover their language is just > not supported. I hope it will help to give the reasons why I chose it. I will most certainly switch it to DejaVu Sans, which will have better i18n support, right? I honestly didn't realize Liberation Sans had a coverage problem; I didn't try any non-basic English glyphs with it so that's my bad. (As an aside, how is URW U001 [1] in terms of glyph coverage? Is that another option?) Anyhow, I'm hoping this is already understood, but here was my rationale in using Liberation Sans: Currently the Fedora font that was used for titling on the FC5 and FC6 CD/DVD covers is called Bryant2. It's a non-free font, it actually costs at least a couple hundred dollars to get a license for it which highly annoys me. I only last week got a license for it. I could have used DejaVu Sans, but to be honest I'm really sick of Deja Vu's look since it's one of the only good free & open fonts out there and I've seriously used it to death! :) Liberation Sans is new, it's got a fresh look, and it's open and free. I didn't choose it bc I work for RH and I didn't mean to imply that the font had any kind of connection with Fedora, just that it was far more readily available and easy to use than Bryant2 has been in the past and it's a nice fresh look. Liberation Sans in terms of licensing is definitely better than Bryant2, but if it is limiting to folks internationally then I agree it is a poor choice and I apologize. >> Are you going to bring this up every time somebody >> mentions Liberation ? > > Please. I wrote nice things about the font, and only stated the plain > truth. And since you insist I'll add this. > > Red Hat made a donation. A great one. You're entitled as a Red Hat > employee to be proud of your company. > > But how does it reflect on Fedora? Not at all. At no stage was the > Fedora community involved in Liberation. You want info on it you'd > better be a journalist and call Red Hat press contacts because you sure > won't get any by asking on community lists. The official Liberation page > accurately reflect this fact with its Red Hat branding and lack of any > fedoraproject.org link or contact. > > I do some stuff for the Fedora community. I'm happy to see Red Hat > Fedora members cheer about some good action their company did. I'm less > happy, more accurately I'm deeply uncomfortable with the way > non-technical Fedora groups are incited to make Liberation a Fedora > emblem. How are non-technical Fedora groups making Liberation a Fedora emblem? Is this what you thought my intent was (it totally wasn't)? :( If not where is this happening? If I see a new, nice-looking open font I get excited and start using it everywhere. The currently-mandated Fedora font is a $$$ closed one. Over time when developing Fedora materials I've used Bitstream Vera & DejaVu but I was simply excited about having some new options. > You're supposed to be proud of your emblems. But how can I be proud of > Liberation? It happened and still happens outside Fedora?. It's not even > the result of some other community work, but was bought from a > professional closed-fonts foundry?. What's the relationship of > Liberation with the Fedora community work I value? None that I can > easily see. But Bitstream is a professional foundry that has closed fonts as well, no? Fonts are really hard to do. It necessitates a lot of time (usually years for good coverage) and effort. I'd like to see the art team grow stronger at some more basic design tasks a bit more gradually than trying to take on creating a whole font (a task for which I'll also mention there hasn't been much interest anyone has expressed in this group.) We are *always* in need of new open fonts though. I agree that the creation of Liberation wasn't done in the Fedora community. But was the creation of Bitstream Vera, the intial set of glyphs that later became DejaVu, also something done in the Fedora community or any FOSS community? Or did Bitstream do the work and then license it openly? (It's a real question, I actually honestly don't know; I was pretty sure the latter was the case though.) ~m From martin.sourada at seznam.cz Sat May 26 09:07:41 2007 From: martin.sourada at seznam.cz (Martin Sourada) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:07:41 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4657F8DD.1090105@seznam.cz> M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > (As an aside, how is URW U001 [1] in terms of glyph coverage? Is that > another option?) > Hmm... I think I missed the footnote? Which one is URW U001? All URW fonts I tried never extended much beyond Latin characters, central European extensions to it (e.g. ???) and punctuation... Nearly no Greek glyphs available. It's a pity since URW fonts are one of the best looking fonts I ever used (in documents, not on screen). DejaVu has quite good coverage, though for using Japanese I still need a separate font, but I guess, we will see some time in the future nearly-full Unicode coverage in DejaVu. About Liberation Fonts... hmm... I tried serif, but didn't like it much... for me it has too thin characters (the whole characters, not strokes)... Martin From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sat May 26 10:19:08 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:19:08 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1180174748.14078.68.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le vendredi 25 mai 2007 ? 19:08 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy a ?crit : > Hi Nicolas, > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le vendredi 25 mai 2007 ? 13:38 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > >> On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 17:09 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >>> FYI the liberation fonts are nice and it's certainly worth showcasing > >>> them but they're not Fedora 7 default fonts, since they lack extended > >>> glyph coverage and lack hinting. > >> Yes, so what ? > > > > So using them systematically is not reflecting the project state > > accurately, and it will hurt the local Fedora groups when they try to > > localise Fedora marketing material and discover their language is just > > not supported. > > I hope it will help to give the reasons why I chose it. I will most > certainly switch it to DejaVu Sans, which will have better i18n support, > right? I honestly didn't realize Liberation Sans had a coverage problem; > I didn't try any non-basic English glyphs with it so that's my bad. Liberation Sans has not a coverage "problem", it already includes greek and cyrillic glyphs (which is more than Bitstream Vera when it was released, or most latin-only fonts you can buy). It's just that it does not really compare to some of our other fonts, and even its coverage of latin, greek ans cyrillic is not complete (so big languages will work, minority/local languages won't). A very crude way to assess a font is to upload it on http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/custom.htm read the glyph count and look at the glyph matrix. A much better indicator would be the language support coverage matrix DejaVu publishes with every release but its generator needs fontconfig sources and fonts in sfd format (IIRC) so it's not useful for the average artists. We really need a tester tool that would do the same on any on-disk ttf/otf font. Anyway, some result for F7 common FLOSS fonts: - DejaVu Sans/Serif: 4538/1939 - DejaVU LGC Sans/Serif: 3532/1881 - Linux Libertine: 2274 - Gentium: 1699 - Liberation Sans/Serif: 668/661 - Vera Sans/Serif: 268 And another we should really get into Fedora, but has a build system from hell (and what's the point of FLOSS if you can't work from sources) and is in opentype OTF format all out tools can not handle yet: Computer Modern Unicode ( http://canopus.iacp.dvo.ru/%7Epanov/cm-unicode/ ) > (As an aside, how is URW U001 [1] in terms of glyph coverage? Is that > another option?) IIRC URW U001 is free-to-use but not especially FLOSS, limited to latin (and even basic latin), and in legacy type one format people are moving away from. [?] > I could have used DejaVu Sans, but to be honest I'm really sick of Deja > Vu's look since it's one of the only good free & open fonts out there > and I've seriously used it to death! :) You have to compromise. Entities with an international reach (like Fedora) almost never use the very distinctive fonts you way be used to as a designer, for the following reasons: - it's very hard and costly to create international fonts - it's even harder to decline an original font - any substitution for coverage reasons is going to stand out. And projecting a common worldwide style is more valuable than being cool in a few countries - very distinctive fonts are distinctive because they're different from the ones people are used to read, ie harder to read. - Title fonts in particular are useless for plain text, which is another reason people don't bother extending their coverage - very distinctive fonts often do not age gracefully (trends change, a style may be great one year and laughable 5 years later) - periodic re-styling is no option, it's overly costly and hurts the common unified persona you want to project It's probably OK to use Liberation for titles. The benefits of showcasing it may outweight the fact it won't be a choice for many languages. Using it for text where the glyphs are too small for most people to see the difference OTOH is stupid IMHO. Also only using Liberation fonts (as I've seen proposed, including in the message I reacted to) is sending a message I don't agree with (as already explained) > How are non-technical Fedora groups making Liberation a Fedora emblem? The original RH PR release wrote about FLOSS fonts intended to replace [a lot of things] (when it will be finished), and many people have taken it as "Fedora intent is to use Liberation in all its documents *now* because it's the only realistic FLOSS font" > But Bitstream is a professional foundry that has closed fonts as well, > no? Current default is DejaVu LGC which is not produced by Bitstream but by a FLOSS project. Also there's no possible comparison between the handling by GNOME of the Bitstream fonts and the handling by Red Hat of Liberation. > Or did Bitstream do the work and then license it openly? > (It's a real question, I actually honestly don't know; I was pretty > sure the latter was the case though.) Bitstream did most of the work but the final stage saw a dialog between the designer and the FLOSS community (feedback, change demands, etc.). Vera was not just a PR release with some files to download. http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ has archived all of it. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The required tools are included in Fedora. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun May 27 03:42:03 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:42:03 -0700 Subject: Fedora 7 Labels for Distribution Project Message-ID: <369bce3b0705262042x68f77237rb13eb94535aa3356@mail.gmail.com> Sorry folks, I haven't been following fedora-art-list recently but could someone upload the latest Fedora 7 Labels for Distribution Project[1] to CDArt page[2]? I understand there is a generic one in dfong people page[3] but we need complete set. What I mean by that is, 1) Fedora 7 DVD (i386) 2) Fedora 7 DVD (x86_64) 3) Fedora 7 DVD (ppc) 4) Fedora 7 LiveCD GNOME (i386) 5) Fedora 7 LiveCD KDE (i386) Make sure to use copyright year "2007" in legal statement. Copyright (c) 2007 Red Hat, Inc. All rights reserved. "Fedora" and the Fedora logo are trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. This software is provided "as-is" and without any warranty, either express or implied. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Project [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt [3] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/ Regards -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From duffy at redhat.com Sun May 27 04:12:57 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 00:12:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180174748.14078.68.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> <1180174748.14078.68.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <46590549.9000507@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: [... snip ...] > A very crude way to assess a font is to upload it on > http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/custom.htm read the glyph > count and look at the glyph matrix. A much better indicator would be the > language support coverage matrix DejaVu publishes with every release but > its generator needs fontconfig sources and fonts in sfd format (IIRC) so > it's not useful for the average artists. We really need a tester tool > that would do the same on any on-disk ttf/otf font. Sweet, this is all very useful info, thank you! > Anyway, some result for F7 common FLOSS fonts: > - DejaVu Sans/Serif: 4538/1939 > - DejaVU LGC Sans/Serif: 3532/1881 > - Linux Libertine: 2274 > - Gentium: 1699 > - Liberation Sans/Serif: 668/661 > - Vera Sans/Serif: 268 Cool I haven't heard of a couple of those actually (Libertine and Gentium) so I will check them out. Are the Luxi and Nimbus fonts FLOSS at all? > > And another we should really get into Fedora, but has a build system > from hell (and what's the point of FLOSS if you can't work from sources) > and is in opentype OTF format all out tools can not handle yet: Computer > Modern Unicode > ( http://canopus.iacp.dvo.ru/%7Epanov/cm-unicode/ ) > >> (As an aside, how is URW U001 [1] in terms of glyph coverage? Is that >> another option?) > > IIRC URW U001 is free-to-use but not especially FLOSS, limited to latin > (and even basic latin), and in legacy type one format people are moving > away from. > > [?] > >> I could have used DejaVu Sans, but to be honest I'm really sick of Deja >> Vu's look since it's one of the only good free & open fonts out there >> and I've seriously used it to death! :) > > You have to compromise. > Entities with an international reach (like Fedora) almost never use the > very distinctive fonts you way be used to as a designer, for the > following reasons: > - it's very hard and costly to create international fonts > - it's even harder to decline an original font > - any substitution for coverage reasons is going to stand out. And > projecting a common worldwide style is more valuable than being cool in > a few countries > - very distinctive fonts are distinctive because they're different from > the ones people are used to read, ie harder to read. FWIW, by stylish/distinctive I don't mean you know, something tacky like Comic Sans or Papyrus or Vivaldi, I mean more readable fonts like Gill Sans or Myriad. > - Title fonts in particular are useless for plain text, which is another > reason people don't bother extending their coverage > - very distinctive fonts often do not age gracefully (trends change, a > style may be great one year and laughable 5 years later) > - periodic re-styling is no option, it's overly costly and hurts the > common unified persona you want to project' > > It's probably OK to use Liberation for titles. The benefits of > showcasing it may outweight the fact it won't be a choice for many > languages. Using it for text where the glyphs are too small for most > people to see the difference OTOH is stupid IMHO. I was proposing to use it for titles - eg the name of the CD/DVD. > Also only using Liberation fonts (as I've seen proposed, including in > the message I reacted to) is sending a message I don't agree with (as > already explained) I never proposed this, sorry, and I just re-read my mail to make sure it couldn't have been misconstrued that way either. I said *all* the fonts I used in my very first draft were Liberation, yes (because of sheer laziness on my part actually.) I never proposed that we *only* use Liberation Sans, though, (and I was especially not proposing using only Liberation Sans beyond the scope of this CD/DVD label design). Seriously. > >> How are non-technical Fedora groups making Liberation a Fedora emblem? > > The original RH PR release wrote about FLOSS fonts intended to replace > [a lot of things] (when it will be finished), and many people have taken > it as "Fedora intent is to use Liberation in all its documents *now* > because it's the only realistic FLOSS font" I just re-read the Red Hat press release and I think that's a bit of a leap you've made there. If you can point to some specific quote... but I'm not seeing any in this. Maybe the word "substitution" in order to explain the differences between and provide examples each of serif, sans serif, and monotype fonts was a poor choice? But I only saw that as explaining the types of fonts they were (especially in the absence of a sorely-needed type sample on that page!) >> But Bitstream is a professional foundry that has closed fonts as well, >> no? > > Current default is DejaVu LGC which is not produced by Bitstream but by > a FLOSS project. DejaVu is a fork of Bitstream, is it not? Or I have completely misunderstood? > Also there's no possible comparison between the > handling by GNOME of the Bitstream fonts and the handling by Red Hat of > Liberation. Why? > >> Or did Bitstream do the work and then license it openly? >> (It's a real question, I actually honestly don't know; I was pretty >> sure the latter was the case though.) > > Bitstream did most of the work but the final stage saw a dialog between > the designer and the FLOSS community (feedback, change demands, etc.). > Vera was not just a PR release with some files to download. > > http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ has archived all of it. Have you tried to work with Red Hat on Liberation in its final stages (as it's not complete yet) and not heard back or something? ~m From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun May 27 10:39:51 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:39:51 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <46590549.9000507@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> <1180174748.14078.68.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46590549.9000507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1180262391.3423.26.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 ? 00:12 -0400, M?ir??n Duffy a ?crit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > [... snip ...] > > > A very crude way to assess a font is to upload it on > > http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/custom.htm read the glyph > > count and look at the glyph matrix. A much better indicator would be the > > language support coverage matrix DejaVu publishes with every release but > > its generator needs fontconfig sources and fonts in sfd format (IIRC) so > > it's not useful for the average artists. We really need a tester tool > > that would do the same on any on-disk ttf/otf font. > > Sweet, this is all very useful info, thank you! > > > Anyway, some result for F7 common FLOSS fonts: > > - DejaVu Sans/Serif: 4538/1939 > > - DejaVU LGC Sans/Serif: 3532/1881 And I've forgotten - Charis SIL: 3084 (but the Fedora version is out of date and includes non-unicode glyphs) - Doulos SIL: 3083 (if you don't need italic or bold) > > - Linux Libertine: 2274 > > - Gentium: 1699 > > - Liberation Sans/Serif: 668/661 > > - Vera Sans/Serif: 268 > > Cool I haven't heard of a couple of those actually (Libertine and > Gentium) so I will check them out. Gentium has a terrific reputation but is not growing very fast > Are the Luxi and Nimbus fonts FLOSS at all? Luxi - no?, Nimbus, maybe (but they're dead wood and thoroughly lacking coverage anyway) > I was proposing to use it for titles - eg the name of the CD/DVD. And I wrote I was ok with title use in my first message > (and I was especially not proposing using only > Liberation Sans beyond the scope of this CD/DVD label design). Seriously. Then it was not so clear to me, sorry > >> How are non-technical Fedora groups making Liberation a Fedora emblem? > > > > The original RH PR release wrote about FLOSS fonts intended to replace > > [a lot of things] (when it will be finished), and many people have taken > > it as "Fedora intent is to use Liberation in all its documents *now* > > because it's the only realistic FLOSS font" > > I just re-read the Red Hat press release and I think that's a bit of a > leap you've made there. If you can point to some specific quote... That's what many people understood (just read reactions in ML archives) and it was never clarified officially. > > Current default is DejaVu LGC which is not produced by Bitstream but by > > a FLOSS project. > > DejaVu is a fork of Bitstream, is it not? Or I have completely > misunderstood? Bitstream contributions are the core of DejaVu but they've long since been dwarfed by non-Bitstream community contributions > > Also there's no possible comparison between the > > handling by GNOME of the Bitstream fonts and the handling by Red Hat of > > Liberation. > > Why? You can easily check on the GNOME page that the Vera release team did a lot of work to collect and encourage feedback, and answer common questions (that's a big reason DejaVu happened a few years later). The Liberation page does not even have contact info to send questions to. > >> Or did Bitstream do the work and then license it openly? > >> (It's a real question, I actually honestly don't know; I was pretty > >> sure the latter was the case though.) > > > > Bitstream did most of the work but the final stage saw a dialog between > > the designer and the FLOSS community (feedback, change demands, etc.). > > Vera was not just a PR release with some files to download. > > > > http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ has archived all of it. > > Have you tried to work with Red Hat on Liberation in its final stages > (as it's not complete yet) and not heard back or something? I've asked the various @rh people that have relayed Liberation-related stuff Fedora-side and never received any actual answers (more like "we don't care it's our stuff go away" reactions). ? http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html#34 -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A much better indicator would be the > language support coverage matrix DejaVu publishes with every release but > its generator needs fontconfig sources and fonts in sfd format (IIRC) so > it's not useful for the average artists. We really need a tester tool > that would do the same on any on-disk ttf/otf font. > > Anyway, some result for F7 common FLOSS fonts: > - DejaVu Sans/Serif: 4538/1939 > - DejaVU LGC Sans/Serif: 3532/1881 > - Linux Libertine: 2274 > - Gentium: 1699 > - Liberation Sans/Serif: 668/661 > - Vera Sans/Serif: 268 Please, don't fall in the "coverage rathole" as Owen likes to call it. There are more important qualities of a font that covering as much as possible of Unicode. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun May 27 22:20:22 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:20:22 -0700 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <465A0426.5070005@thefinalzone.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Being busy recently, I managed to strip out color from the original eps in 8 monochrome colors using both Gimp and Inkscape. You can view the result below. http://www.thefinalzone.com/images/fedora/11cdDVDLabel_modified.svg http://www.thefinalzone.com/images/fedora/11cdDVDLabel_modified.eps - -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Art Team Fedora Project contributor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGWgQia10Jb0NOz+ERAgL3AJwIr5gC5mq8lmIr2OfVjGNEX6WO2gCeOI6M kKMaeb3Eu5FBoKd3+MdoKyA= =QvUw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Sun May 27 22:37:52 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:37:52 -0700 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <465A0426.5070005@thefinalzone.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <465A0426.5070005@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <465A0840.9020800@thefinalzone.com> Replying to myself, I have updated the svg format. http://www.thefinalzone.com/images/fedora/11cdDVDLabel_mod.svg -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Art Team From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Sun May 27 23:22:46 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:22:46 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180277894.3408.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> <1180174748.14078.68.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180277894.3408.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1180308166.3493.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 ? 10:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > On Sat, 2007-05-26 at 12:19 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > A very crude way to assess a font is to upload it on > > http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/custom.htm read the glyph > > count and look at the glyph matrix. A much better indicator would be the > > language support coverage matrix DejaVu publishes with every release but > > its generator needs fontconfig sources and fonts in sfd format (IIRC) so > > it's not useful for the average artists. We really need a tester tool > > that would do the same on any on-disk ttf/otf font. > > > > Anyway, some result for F7 common FLOSS fonts: > > - DejaVu Sans/Serif: 4538/1939 > > - DejaVU LGC Sans/Serif: 3532/1881 > > - Linux Libertine: 2274 > > - Gentium: 1699 > > - Liberation Sans/Serif: 668/661 > > - Vera Sans/Serif: 268 > > Please, don't fall in the "coverage rathole" as Owen likes to call it. > There are more important qualities of a font that covering as much as > possible of Unicode. That's a very US-centric view and one reason we almost had a Greek revolt a few releases back. I suppose I should make pretty labels like Owen. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From mclasen at redhat.com Mon May 28 03:27:02 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:27:02 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180308166.3493.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> <1180174748.14078.68.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180277894.3408.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180308166.3493.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1180322822.3566.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 01:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > Please, don't fall in the "coverage rathole" as Owen likes to call it. > > There are more important qualities of a font that covering as much as > > possible of Unicode. > > That's a very US-centric view and one reason we almost had a Greek > revolt a few releases back. > > I suppose I should make pretty labels like Owen. "redneck guetto" comes > to mind. > I'm all for supporting all the worlds language. I don't agree that the best way to achieve that is stuffing all the glyphs in a single font. Does that make me a redneck ? I don't think so. From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Fri May 25 18:10:31 2007 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:10:31 -0700 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46572697.1090207@thefinalzone.com> Just started to trim colors. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with EPS format so I modified with GIMP. -- Luya Tshimbalanga http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga Fedora Art Team -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 11cdDVDLabel8bit.png Type: image/png Size: 178889 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 11cdDVDlabel-6color.eps Type: image/x-eps Size: 101685 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon May 28 08:57:59 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:57:59 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <1180322822.3566.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <46567C0E.5070103@redhat.com> <465683FA.3050102@nicubunu.ro> <4656F92C.8090908@redhat.com> <23073.192.54.193.51.1180105762.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180114710.20136.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180120580.3407.65.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <46576C82.9050402@redhat.com> <1180174748.14078.68.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180277894.3408.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1180308166.3493.15.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180322822.3566.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1180342679.5075.17.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 ? 23:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 01:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > > Please, don't fall in the "coverage rathole" as Owen likes to call it. > > > There are more important qualities of a font that covering as much as > > > possible of Unicode. > > > > That's a very US-centric view and one reason we almost had a Greek > > revolt a few releases back. > > > > I suppose I should make pretty labels like Owen. "redneck guetto" comes > > to mind. > > > > I'm all for supporting all the worlds language. I don't agree that the > best way to achieve that is stuffing all the glyphs in a single font. Well, I don't agree that having many Unicode blocks supported by a single font automatically make this font a "rathole", and this stupid prejudice made us waste months/years because some people (including Owen) wouldn't look at the actual fonts and decided from unicode coverage metrics they must be bad (what turned out to be bad was bugs & lack of support for OpenType features in our font infrastructure). > Does that make me a redneck ? I don't think so. It makes you a redneck when you decide a font is bad just by looking at it's coverage numbers. Anyway, this battle has already been fought, every year brings FLOSS and proprietary fonts with wider coverage because that's what the market and users want, and even the puny latin/greek/cyrillic Liberation sports today would have been considered insane by "coverage rathole" people three years ago. I'd be nice if the same old tired "unicode ? bad" argument was not brought up every other month though. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon May 28 21:16:49 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:16:49 +0200 Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300705281416j37053ef0o723692574908ffec@mail.gmail.com> On 5/28/07, Steve Hill wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex > > windows user after installing Fedora 6: > > > > "This looks like windows 98." > > Of course then you showed him Beryl, right? :) No, he removed it before I could do any customization to it... And after I showed him my desktop that was already too late, he was not interested too much because his own experience was too blend. > That said, I was under the impression that an aweful lot of Windows people > switch XP back to the "classic interface" - i.e. something that looks just > like Win98? > > I saw Vista with Aero for the first time a couple of weeks ago - maybe > I've just been spoilt by Beryl, but my first thought was "It's just XP but > with transparent bits and slightly different window decoration". I've not > yet worked out why people are raving about Aero, it just doesn't seem > anything special to me. People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little polish. Now F7 looks so Fedora Core 3 like :) not to make the same comparison my friend did with windows because I don't use them. > > And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't > > get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I > > think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... > > I consider the default Fedora settings to be quite plain and basic - they > get the job done but they don't make you go "Ooooooh". The first thing I > do with my Fedora machines when they get installed is switch window > manager and copy my customised settings onto the system. However, that's > the power of Linux - you _can_ customise it, and what's right for one > person isn't right for another. you can customize windows and osx, and you can argue which is more customizable... that is not the point. the point is in default theme. > There is a limit to how far the defaults can go though - for example, > starting Compiz or Beryl by default would certainly make things shiny, but > there are just so many driver problems associated with them. I don't agree. I had 3rd party Compiz and Berly packages on FC5 and FC6 6 months ago and had better exeperience and less bugs with them than with compiz that is now in F7! To me this looks like lack of attention for these packages. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon May 28 21:17:55 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:17:55 +0200 Subject: Fwd: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300705281417w36ac2f0xa618e4b1194a6799@mail.gmail.com> I missed sending this mail to this mail list, so I'm doing it now. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Valent Turkovic Date: May 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core , Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop On 5/23/07, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:39 +0800, Ken YANG wrote: > > as we see, suse 10.2 has the animation grub, it looks good. > > > > can fedora has this kind of grub? > > > > We (the desktop team) hope to get rid of the grub menu in the default > boot sequence instead of making it nicer. See > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup > Great! Go desktop team, go! :) I really believe that presentation of linux is one of the most important things... it must be shiny and preeeeety :) Nice kernel hacks and speedups are nice... but those are things that most desktop users don't care and don't know even exist... but they know good interface and nice boot grub screen when they see one. So please make grub as nice as possible... the test of Fedora is really nice... I really like it graphically wise. I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex windows user after installing Fedora 6: "This looks like windows 98." And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I saw UbuntuStudio theme, that is an other extreme... but still a good try. It is too dark an a bit too shiny... but I guess that that is what users expect to see. Just my 2c. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Mon May 28 23:26:23 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:26:23 -0400 Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300705281416j37053ef0o723692574908ffec@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705281416j37053ef0o723692574908ffec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705281926.26910.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Monday, May 28, 2007 5:16 pm Valent Turkovic wrote: > > People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - > just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - > theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the > same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be > gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little > polish. What? Clearlooks rocks. In fact, I STILL say that KDE ought to use Klearlooks as the default widget theme just to get the similar look... -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From stickster at gmail.com Tue May 29 15:20:13 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:20:13 -0400 Subject: Fedora 7 Labels for Distribution Project In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0705262042x68f77237rb13eb94535aa3356@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0705262042x68f77237rb13eb94535aa3356@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1180452013.3836.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-05-26 at 20:42 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > Sorry folks, I haven't been following fedora-art-list recently but > could someone upload the latest Fedora 7 Labels for Distribution > Project[1] to CDArt page[2]? > I understand there is a generic one in dfong people page[3] but we > need complete set. > What I mean by that is, > > 1) Fedora 7 DVD (i386) > 2) Fedora 7 DVD (x86_64) > 3) Fedora 7 DVD (ppc) > 4) Fedora 7 LiveCD GNOME (i386) > 5) Fedora 7 LiveCD KDE (i386) > > Make sure to use copyright year "2007" in legal statement. > > Copyright (c) 2007 Red Hat, Inc. All rights reserved. > "Fedora" and the Fedora logo are trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. > This software is provided "as-is" and without any warranty, either > express or implied. That should read "Copyright (C) 2007 Red Hat, Inc. and others." ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed May 30 11:29:21 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:29:21 +0200 Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: <364d303b0705281500t75318e73o136b4ebabcd73fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705281416j37053ef0o723692574908ffec@mail.gmail.com> <364d303b0705281500t75318e73o136b4ebabcd73fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300705300429vb7299c1m2eb5a69cdc8b4090@mail.gmail.com> On 5/29/07, Chris Brown wrote: > On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > On 5/28/07, Steve Hill wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > > > > I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex > > > > windows user after installing Fedora 6: > > > > > > > > "This looks like windows 98." > > > > > > Of course then you showed him Beryl, right? :) > > > > No, he removed it before I could do any customization to it... > > > > And after I showed him my desktop that was already too late, he was > > not interested too much because his own experience was too blend. > > > > > That said, I was under the impression that an aweful lot of Windows > people > > > switch XP back to the "classic interface" - i.e. something that looks > just > > > like Win98? > > > > > > I saw Vista with Aero for the first time a couple of weeks ago - maybe > > > I've just been spoilt by Beryl, but my first thought was "It's just XP > but > > > with transparent bits and slightly different window decoration". I've > not > > > yet worked out why people are raving about Aero, it just doesn't seem > > > anything special to me. > > > > People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - > > just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - > > theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the > > same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be > > gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little > > polish. > > > > Now F7 looks so Fedora Core 3 like :) not to make the same comparison > > my friend did with windows because I don't use them. > > > > > > And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't > > > > get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I > > > > think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... > > > > > > I consider the default Fedora settings to be quite plain and basic - > they > > > get the job done but they don't make you go "Ooooooh". The first thing > I > > > do with my Fedora machines when they get installed is switch window > > > manager and copy my customised settings onto the system. However, > that's > > > the power of Linux - you _can_ customise it, and what's right for one > > > person isn't right for another. > > > > you can customize windows and osx, and you can argue which is more > > customizable... > > that is not the point. the point is in default theme. > > > > > There is a limit to how far the defaults can go though - for example, > > > starting Compiz or Beryl by default would certainly make things shiny, > but > > > there are just so many driver problems associated with them. > > > > I don't agree. I had 3rd party Compiz and Berly packages on FC5 and > > FC6 6 months ago and had better exeperience and less bugs with them > > than with compiz that is now in F7! To me this looks like lack of > > attention for these packages. > > I'm motivated to weigh in on this argument as so far the accusations > levelled at Fedora is that it looks like Windows 98, Fedora Core 3 and needs > to be shinier. You've also accused artists of laziness and that each theme > looks the same. Try taking a look at other distributions sometime - you'll I only look at Fedora because it is the only distro I use full time :) Sorry if I sounded like accusing artist of being lazy - this wasn't my intention! I can see that they do a lot of work because each fedora release has a great and different looking artwork! And I love it! I only said that gnome theme should be inline with the rest of the artwork. If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). look at this: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png I love what they have done with the gnome theme - look how much better gnome panels look when you give them a little polish :) > see much less variation and you are always welcome to use theme packs of > which several sit in the main repository. The default look or "out of the box" experience is what everybody look at 90% of the time - and that is what gets screenshots in reviews. I know that you can theme the hell out of gnome but that is not the point. > I'm not sure what version of Windows 98 looks like FC6 but I'm betting it > wasn't OEM. As for arguing that Beryl and Compiz packages are not getting > the required attention then it would be helpful if you elaborated a little, > particularly regarding the bugs. Even have a trawl through bugzilla and add > your thoughts. I added two compiz but to bugzilla. Currently I'm not testing or using berly because I'm spending all of my free time (and stealing alot of hours fromf work) deling with bigger bugs in Fedora 7 (they are all on bugzilla). > > Regards > Chris > > Regards, Valent from Croatia. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From steve at nexusuk.org Wed May 30 11:49:01 2007 From: steve at nexusuk.org (Steve Hill) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:49:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300705300429vb7299c1m2eb5a69cdc8b4090@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705281416j37053ef0o723692574908ffec@mail.gmail.com> <364d303b0705281500t75318e73o136b4ebabcd73fc@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705300429vb7299c1m2eb5a69cdc8b4090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > look at this: > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming consistent. For what it's worth, I use a customised LimeRefresh theme under Beryl, changing the green titlebars to blue - much more interesting than the plain default Metacity theme. -- - Steve xmpp:steve at nexusuk.org sip:steve at nexusuk.org http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed May 30 12:37:44 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:37:44 +0200 Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705281416j37053ef0o723692574908ffec@mail.gmail.com> <364d303b0705281500t75318e73o136b4ebabcd73fc@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705300429vb7299c1m2eb5a69cdc8b4090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300705300537q3ce4f470mdc2e2f7fab7e7447@mail.gmail.com> On 5/30/07, Steve Hill wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > > look at this: > > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png > > Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars > are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). > > I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: > http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png > Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that > could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming > consistent. > > For what it's worth, I use a customised LimeRefresh theme under Beryl, > changing the green titlebars to blue - much more interesting than the > plain default Metacity theme. That is what I'm talking abot - Fedora is the best linux desktop IMHO and only thing it need is a little, really little polish regarding gnome theme. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From subsolar at subsolar.com Thu May 31 01:31:54 2007 From: subsolar at subsolar.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:31:54 -0500 Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705281416j37053ef0o723692574908ffec@mail.gmail.com> <364d303b0705281500t75318e73o136b4ebabcd73fc@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300705300429vb7299c1m2eb5a69cdc8b4090@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1180575114.3852.1.camel@chilly> On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:49 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > > look at this: > > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png > > Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars > are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). > > I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: > http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png > Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that > could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming > consistent. Definitely not a fan of that ... looks way too much like vista. Paul From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Thu May 31 01:53:30 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:53:30 -0400 Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: <1180575114.3852.1.camel@chilly> References: <64b14b300705280653t27134cbeyfc09d24b92f961da@mail.gmail.com> <1180575114.3852.1.camel@chilly> Message-ID: <200705302153.31736.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> > On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:49 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > > > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > > > look at this: > > > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png > > > > Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the > > titlebars are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora > > theme). I'm willing to bet you're referring to the Gnome theme, but I did port sections of Mint's KDE design to Fedora... -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 31 02:06:53 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Banner for F7 Home Page] Message-ID: <465E2DBD.1090304@redhat.com> Anybody interested in a project to create banners to be displayed on the FPO front page? Anybody got ideas for banners we could do? E.g., join the art team, join the infrastructure team, join the websites team - it's never too early to work on 'filler' banners like that that we could post when there are no events to advertise. What do you think? ~m -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Banner for F7 Home Page Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:51:47 -0400 From: M?ir??n Duffy Reply-To: For maintainers and developers of all formal Fedora websites. To: For maintainers and developers of all formal Fedora websites. Diego B?rigo Zacar?o wrote: > > Perhaps we can have a rotating banner? New community-produced banner > every week or month? > > > The idea sounds great for me. > I like when Google changes your logo in special dates. +1!!! We could have a release-specific one when a release is newly out and when we're in-between releases maybe pick interesting Fedora-related events like FUDcons and Summer of Code and such, and when its not so busy little ads to recruit folks for specific Fedora teams/SIGs. This could operate similar to how gnome.org's frontpage banner works - someone on the GNOME marketing team will have an idea to publicize a specific event using a front page banner, and then volunteers from the GNOME art community will submit designs and work with each other to produce the final artwork. I think it's a great idea. ~m -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list From baerjj at gmail.com Thu May 31 02:23:09 2007 From: baerjj at gmail.com (John Baer) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:23:09 -0400 Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <1180578189.8340.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, On the eve of the Fedora 7 launch I just want to say thank you to everyone who contributed to this effort as I say "job well done"! Cheers, John From lightsolphoenix at gmail.com Thu May 31 03:04:11 2007 From: lightsolphoenix at gmail.com (Kelly) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:04:11 -0400 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <1180578189.8340.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1180578189.8340.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200705302304.12866.lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> On Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:23 pm John Baer wrote: > All, > > On the eve of the Fedora 7 launch I just want to say thank you to > everyone who contributed to this effort as I say "job well done"! > > Cheers, > > John I just wanted to mention that I'm going to be posting some of the stuff specifically made for the KDE spin here in the next few days. I meant to post it a few days ago, but the combination of annoying crashes and being sick delayed the work a bit. That "stuff" I mentioned includes the F7 Metabar theme (for Konqueror), the side banner for the KMenu and the logout image (which shows up when someone clicks "Log Out" from the KMenu). -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 31 06:26:27 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:26:27 +0300 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <1180578189.8340.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1180578189.8340.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <465E6A93.1060000@nicubunu.ro> John Baer wrote: > All, > > On the eve of the Fedora 7 launch I just want to say thank you to > everyone who contributed to this effort as I say "job well done"! Yes, this is the time for congratulations and celebration. Here is my own take: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/moonshine_maker.png http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/tuica_bottle.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From leadgolem13 at yahoo.com Thu May 31 10:57:47 2007 From: leadgolem13 at yahoo.com (Greg Schick) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 03:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? In-Reply-To: <1180575114.3852.1.camel@chilly> Message-ID: <31325.17204.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:49 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > > look at this: > > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png > > Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars > are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). > > I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: > http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png > Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that > could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming > consistent. Definitely not a fan of that ... looks way too much like vista. Paul http://gallery.filefront.com/Leadgolem//588843/ http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blended+Crystal?content=58001 --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr Thu May 31 12:44:17 2007 From: pingoufc4 at yahoo.fr (pingou) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:44:17 +0200 Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures Message-ID: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> Hello, My name is Pierre-Yves Chibon, I am one of the french ambassador recently arrived. I am actually writting in a magazine for F7 and as they are going to give F7 DVD with it I am trying to find nice DVD pictures for it. 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Mail et son interface r?volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu May 31 13:11:01 2007 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:11:01 +0200 Subject: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers In-Reply-To: <465A0840.9020800@thefinalzone.com> References: <4655A7A7.6070607@redhat.com> <465A0426.5070005@thefinalzone.com> <465A0840.9020800@thefinalzone.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300705310611h400b66c0i1c26e1ec2c35511e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/28/07, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Replying to myself, I have updated the svg format. > > > http://www.thefinalzone.com/images/fedora/11cdDVDLabel_mod.svg Choice of fonts for "Release 7" and "x86 version" looks too different and too straight when compared to nice round fedora fonts. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu May 31 12:58:39 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:58:39 +0300 Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures In-Reply-To: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> References: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> pingou wrote: > Hello, Hi, > I am actually writting in a magazine for F7 and as they are going to > give F7 DVD with it I am trying to find nice DVD pictures for it. > > I would like to know if I can give them these pictures > http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/ > (DVD on the bottom) License wise those should be OK to use, but due to the large number of colors they may not be very suitable for cheap printing. Here is another CD label better optimized for print (I am not sure if this is its final version): http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/cd-label_fedora-7.svg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 31 13:27:04 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=ED=ADn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:27:04 -0400 Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures In-Reply-To: <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> References: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> Nicu Buculei wrote: > pingou wrote: >> I am actually writting in a magazine for F7 and as they are going to >> give F7 DVD with it I am trying to find nice DVD pictures for it. > Here is another CD label better optimized for print (I am not sure if > this is its final version): > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/cd-label_fedora-7.svg There are print-ready tiff files in that repo too: https://duffy.108.redhat.com/source/browse/duffy/trunk/fedora/print/disc-design/f7/TIFF/ ~m From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu May 31 13:49:19 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:49:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures In-Reply-To: <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> References: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <59875.192.54.193.51.1180619359.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le Jeu 31 mai 2007 15:27, M?ir??n Duffy a ?crit : > Nicu Buculei wrote: >> pingou wrote: > >>> I am actually writting in a magazine for F7 and as they are going >>> to >>> give F7 DVD with it I am trying to find nice DVD pictures for it. > >> Here is another CD label better optimized for print (I am not sure >> if >> this is its final version): >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/cd-label_fedora-7.svg > > There are print-ready tiff files in that repo too: > > https://duffy.108.redhat.com/source/browse/duffy/trunk/fedora/print/disc-design/f7/TIFF/ Rhaa please ask hosting space on fedoraproject.org for F8 artwork, we really really really do not want to mix 108.redhat.com & fedora stuff. -- Nicolas Mailhot From duffy at redhat.com Thu May 31 14:43:30 2007 From: duffy at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrcKtbiBEdWZmeQ==?=) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:43:30 -0400 Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures In-Reply-To: <59875.192.54.193.51.1180619359.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> <59875.192.54.193.51.1180619359.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <465EDF12.2040405@redhat.com> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> https://duffy.108.redhat.com/source/browse/duffy/trunk/fedora/print/disc-design/f7/TIFF/ > > Rhaa please ask hosting space on fedoraproject.org for F8 artwork, we > really really really do not want to mix 108.redhat.com & fedora stuff. > +1 I agree totally. All of that was done last-minute on a holiday here in the US so I didn't have much time, that was the only space I had. I think it may be worth investigating getting a fedora art hosted project (we have bluecurve but not really appropriate for non-bluecurve fedora art) ~m From mclasen at redhat.com Thu May 31 15:23:06 2007 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:23:06 -0400 Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures In-Reply-To: <59875.192.54.193.51.1180619359.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> <59875.192.54.193.51.1180619359.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1180624986.3655.3.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 15:49 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Jeu 31 mai 2007 15:27, M?ir??n Duffy a ?crit : > > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> pingou wrote: > > > >>> I am actually writting in a magazine for F7 and as they are going > >>> to > >>> give F7 DVD with it I am trying to find nice DVD pictures for it. > > > >> Here is another CD label better optimized for print (I am not sure > >> if > >> this is its final version): > >> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/f7/printwork/cd-label_fedora-7.svg > > > > There are print-ready tiff files in that repo too: > > > > https://duffy.108.redhat.com/source/browse/duffy/trunk/fedora/print/disc-design/f7/TIFF/ > > Rhaa please ask hosting space on fedoraproject.org for F8 artwork, we > really really really do not want to mix 108.redhat.com & fedora stuff. What is your problem with 108 ? That is has Red Hat in its name ? From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu May 31 16:57:05 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:05 -0700 Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures In-Reply-To: <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> References: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0705310957i7e164608hbe016bef0cd9f383@mail.gmail.com> On 5/31/07, M?ir??n Duffy wrote: > There are print-ready tiff files in that repo too: > > https://duffy.108.redhat.com/source/browse/duffy/trunk/fedora/print/disc-design/f7/TIFF/ > > ~m Thank you M?ir??n, We'll use these images for Fedora Distribution Project. Do you mind if we upload these images to fp.org wiki when it's available again? :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jayme.ayres at unopar.br Thu May 31 18:03:17 2007 From: jayme.ayres at unopar.br (Jayme Ayres) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:03:17 -0300 Subject: Full banner in Brazil Message-ID: <465F0DE5.4020101@unopar.br> I would like to show this: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_full_banner.gif http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_full_banner_en.gif -- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.orgfree.com www.jaymeayres.com From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 31 18:46:56 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:16:56 +0530 Subject: Full banner in Brazil In-Reply-To: <465F0DE5.4020101@unopar.br> References: <465F0DE5.4020101@unopar.br> Message-ID: <465F1820.60306@fedoraproject.org> Jayme Ayres wrote: > I would like to show this: > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_full_banner.gif > http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_full_banner_en.gif > Good job. Animated GIF's are pretty nice for quick promo's. Rahul From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu May 31 19:05:12 2007 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:05:12 +0200 Subject: Presentation and DVD pictures In-Reply-To: <1180624986.3655.3.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> References: <465EC321.5010805@yahoo.fr> <465EC67F.7040301@nicubunu.ro> <465ECD28.20406@redhat.com> <59875.192.54.193.51.1180619359.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <1180624986.3655.3.camel@dhcp83-186.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1180638312.11360.2.camel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Le jeudi 31 mai 2007 ? 11:23 -0400, Matthias Clasen a ?crit : > What is your problem with 108 ? That is has Red Hat in its name ? different community, different target audience, proeminent red & shadowman styling we've been repeatedly asked to purge from fedora-related pages, etc -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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