Hi, just a note.... <div>2008/1/10, Máirín Duffy <<a href="mailto:duffy@redhat.com">duffy@redhat.com</a>>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi Nicu, Thanks for writing this up :) Here are some of my thoughts on the round 1 proposals: Nicu Buculei wrote: > The deadline for Round 1 was a couple of days ago, so here are all the > submissions we gathered so far (a valid submission must have an > announcement on the list and a wiki page): > > Listed chronologically: > - CODE 9TO9, by Jiri > <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/CODE9TO9">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/CODE9TO9 </a> - It's an interesting concept but I think visually it could be more exciting if the 9-pointed shape was shown from a different angle other than straight on. - The colors used are sort of towards the more pastel-ish blue which is what we used for f8 so I think maybe more bold colors might be good just so there is more of a change from f8. - We traditionally do not have version numbers in the artwork so I don't know if the one with just the 9 is a good idea. I don't think the graphic needs numbers to 'explain itself' - rather it's an interesting idea to have a 9-pointed star shape as the focus of a series of abstract visual compositions. - One thing I am happy about with this concept is that beyond the number 9, it does relate to Fedora: 'endless' and 'cyclic' pretty much represent 'infinity'. - What does "algorithm 9483726159" mean?</blockquote><div> The algorhitm is needed when you want to draw this star by one line, so, tip nine points around the circle and turn the line form 9 to 4, from 4 to 8, and so....this is the magic of this theme... </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">- One last thing, while the shape is endless and cyclic, when I look at it those aren't the first ideas that come to mind, maybe there is a better way to visually express that - maybe having arrow heads or some pointed/directional shapes in the pattern? > - Freedom, by Michael > <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Freedom</a> - I think the concept of freedom is great but I am not sure that these visualizations are the best way to communicate that idea. Usage of imagery about someone escaping being chained up don't always evoke ideas about 'the good guy was wrongfully jailed but now he is free.' It might make people thing about escaped 'bad guys' too, or maybe it will make people think Fedora is a bunch of escaped software pirates. (See what I mean?) It's not the most positive imagery as is right now, but your last sketch, the one with the window - I think that one is the best one, as it puts some emphasis on the positives of freedom. I would make that window bigger and bolder... or maybe the entire focus. - As per the above comment, I think maybe this idea could merge with the "At Last" theme... which I think visually depicts the idea of freedom but in a more positive way. - The chain sketch does remind me a bit of the Fedora DNA theme. Actually at one point I did a series of paintings, each to depict a different Fedora concept, and the one I did for 'freedom' showed a chain made out of the Fedora infinity logo getting broken. I don't actually have access to that graphic right now but if I can find it I will send it to you. I did have some struggles with it visually to make it look like a broken chain - if I just drew a broken chain without using the infinity symbol to do it then it wouldn't relate to the other paintings in the set (which were entirely constructed of Fedora logo parts, see [1] and [2]) > - Waves, by Martin <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves</a> - I really like the idea of this one - the main reason is that waves/water are very natural, and we have gotten a lot of feedback about how folks would like to see more 'natural' themes in Fedora. GNOME upstream also has been working to bring 'nature' to the desktop so it also fits nicely with what they are doing. But it is 'nature' our way - water is symbolized by blue as is Fedora. - This is very calming imagery - especially the first sketch. Very good for a computer which may at times be quite frustrating. :) It really reminds me of a Japanese zen garden (as I mentioned on the page) and the pattern of the stones. - I *love* *love* *love* the suggestion from TrondDanielsen - "I think it would be cool if the pattern would change during the day to make the waves propagate outward just like the current theme changes colors during the day." That would be SO awesome!!!! - I think the 2nd sketch is the weakest. It seems very mathematical and abstract, and I guess I am very excited about the idea of bringing 'nature' to a very 'unnatural' thing (a computer) so I am least enthusiastic about this one. We just had an abstract/wavy-line theme in f8 so the change the other two sketches suggest are much more exciting to me. > - Night, by Mola <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night</a> - I am not sure how this relates to Fedora conceptually at all? There doesn't seem to be an explanation? - It seems very similar to f7's theme in basic layout and I think it would be cool if we did something more fresh. - I guess I can't really say much else. :( The scene is drawn nicely but I don't see how it relates to Fedora. > Electric Sphere, by Mola > <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere </a> - Again I am not sure how this relates to Fedora conceptually. What is it trying to say? > - At Last, by Andrew <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/AtLast">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/AtLast </a> - The first time I saw this it reminded me of some of the images GNOME uses for GUADEC (the major annual GNOME conference): <a href="http://www.guadec.org/files/jumping_0.png">http://www.guadec.org/files/jumping_0.png </a> - This is an interesting idea but as others have commented it might be weird to show faceless people or show photos of people nobody knows in a theme. What might be cool is getting many pictures of Fedora contributors (anyone going to FUDcon this weekend?) and using those are the 'models' - I think using just one person is bad. Use many and make this about community as well. - The pose the guy is in is a bit strange - it looks like a yoga pose maybe. - As mentioned earlier i think this idea meshes well with the 'Freedom' proposal. You could maybe show the guy or some people indoors in front of a window with a beautiful scene (maybe the 'night' proposal scene during daylight! :) ) > - Shoowa, by Luya <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa</a> - I think the pattern is very interesting - I am not sure I fully understand the cultural context behind these patterns though. Can you explain their meaning / connotations a bit more? What is the cloth used for? Who makes it? Do the patterns symbolized anything? What is the cloth made out of? etc. Do any of these have implications that relate to Fedora? Hope this feedback is useful! ~m [1] <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275450/in/set-72157594181459782/"> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275450/in/set-72157594181459782/</a> (that one is community) [2] <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275449/in/set-72157594181459782/">http://flickr.com/photos/mairin/176275449/in/set-72157594181459782/ </a> (that one is infinity) _______________________________________________ Fedora-art-list mailing list <a href="mailto:Fedora-art-list@redhat.com">Fedora-art-list@redhat.com</a> <a href="http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list"> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list</a> </blockquote></div> JJM -- I'm still learning English... Jiří Jakub Mašek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Moravia, Czech Republic, European Union