From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 8 17:41:43 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:41:43 -0800 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Long term goals and multiple opportunities Message-ID: <604aa7910805081041v45b04110hf98aa5cad8b251bb@mail.gmail.com> Good Morning Campers! I haven't participated directly in the Astronomy SIG even though I'm listed in its membership. But I have been thinking about long term opportunities for the SIG to be break out star of the Fedora Project. So let me catch you all up to speed on a couple of long term ideas that I've been leveraging my Board title to have conversations about. 1) open source amateur telescope network Given the right telescope and ccd camera hardware arrangements, we could provide a completely self-contained Fedora based software setup for remote instrument control, with turn-key instructions on how to get an instrument up and in the network. To that end, I have a local high school teacher who has a small grant to put a remotely controlled scope together for his classes to use. It looks like we'll be using a apogee usb camera and an 8 inch meade telescope. Hardware I'm sure we won't have a problem providing support for in Fedora. A filter wheel hasn't been selected yet. Given that hardware what is the best control and image capture software we have in Fedora right now that could be used for instrument control, tracking and image collection? I'm thinking Kstars makes for the best interface for an educational target, but what do i know. Can we do guidestar tracking out of the box with this camera and scope, or would we need a secondary imager? I'm not sure kstars actually does image based guidestar tracking. I haven't even thought about focus control yet. I would imagine we'll need to homebrew something. Whatever we end up doing, I want it to be an easy to follow blueprint so I can get another school to do it next year so we can link multiple instruments together for student use. And if all possible I want to be able to produce a Fedora branded live image with the necessary software to run the instrument. 2) Radio Lunar/Solar Bounce HF Groundstations What would it take to run a network of volunteer groundstations to participate in a coordinated lunar/solar bounce HF experiment? I've run across an experimental opportunity for long baseline interferometry that could make use of a dispersed network of groundstations, and I'd like to see if we can build that network through the Fedora project. Obviously it's going to require hardware that most people don't have...but licensed HAM operators might have. I'm talking with potential researchers now to organize the science proposal. But we also need to stat having a conversation inside Fedora about whether there is enough interest in participating in a network of volunteer stations. I've talked to a couple of people in the HAM SIG, but if the Astronomy SIG wants to help make it happen that would be keen as well. Now that gnuradio is in in the repo, what else would be needed in Fedora to do something coordinated? I'm sure we have the necessary software to make use of gps time syncing when groundstations have access to a local gps time source. One of the goals here is a turn-key live image that can be used as the automated groundstation control. I'm not sure if it will end-up being brandable Fedora without special permission from the Board. it might have to ship some configuration information for data collection specifics that won't be a part of the Fedora repository. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 8 18:28:55 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:28:55 -0800 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] If the Astronomy SIG had a summer intern....... Message-ID: <604aa7910805081128l38ee3f5te2fb92f1d3b3e95d@mail.gmail.com> If the Astronomy SIG had a summer student intern, what would you have them work on? Keep in mind that such an intern would be free to walk away from the project at the end of the summer, so you want to define some sort of project that would profit from dedicated manpower for 2 or 3 months and would continue to be useful after that manpower was no longer available. Package maintainership work would be an example of a bad thing to use an intern for. -jef From fullgo at dellorfano.net Fri May 9 02:47:27 2008 From: fullgo at dellorfano.net (Joseph Dell'Orfano) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 22:47:27 -0400 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Long term goals and multiple opportunities In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805081041v45b04110hf98aa5cad8b251bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805081041v45b04110hf98aa5cad8b251bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4823BB3F.9060001@dellorfano.net> Kstars will nicely control a motorized focuser on an LX-200 -Joe D Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Good Morning Campers! > > I haven't participated directly in the Astronomy SIG even though I'm > listed in its membership. > But I have been thinking about long term opportunities for the SIG to > be break out star of the Fedora Project. > > So let me catch you all up to speed on a couple of long term ideas > that I've been leveraging my Board title to have conversations about. > > 1) open source amateur telescope network > > Given the right telescope and ccd camera hardware arrangements, we > could provide a completely self-contained Fedora based software setup > for remote instrument control, with turn-key instructions on how to > get an instrument up and in the network. To that end, I have a local > high school teacher who has a small grant to put a remotely controlled > scope together for his classes to use. It looks like we'll be using a > apogee usb camera and an 8 inch meade telescope. Hardware I'm sure we > won't have a problem providing support for in Fedora. A filter wheel > hasn't been selected yet. > > Given that hardware what is the best control and image capture > software we have in Fedora right now that could be used for instrument > control, tracking and image collection? I'm thinking Kstars makes for > the best interface for an educational target, but what do i know. Can > we do guidestar tracking out of the box with this camera and scope, or > would we need a secondary imager? I'm not sure kstars actually does > image based guidestar tracking. > > I haven't even thought about focus control yet. I would imagine we'll > need to homebrew something. Whatever we end up doing, I want it to be > an easy to follow blueprint so I can get another school to do it next > year so we can link multiple instruments together for student use. > > And if all possible I want to be able to produce a Fedora branded live > image with the necessary software to run the instrument. > > 2) Radio Lunar/Solar Bounce HF Groundstations > What would it take to run a network of volunteer groundstations to > participate in a coordinated lunar/solar bounce HF experiment? > I've run across an experimental opportunity for long baseline > interferometry that could make use of a dispersed network of > groundstations, and I'd like to see if we can build that network > through the Fedora project. Obviously it's going to require hardware > that most people don't have...but licensed HAM operators might have. > I'm talking with potential researchers now to organize the science > proposal. But we also need to stat having a conversation inside > Fedora about whether there is enough interest in participating in a > network of volunteer stations. I've talked to a couple of people in > the HAM SIG, but if the Astronomy SIG wants to help make it happen > that would be keen as well. > > Now that gnuradio is in in the repo, what else would be needed in > Fedora to do something coordinated? I'm sure we have the necessary > software to make use of gps time syncing when groundstations have > access to a local gps time source. One of the goals here is a > turn-key live image that can be used as the automated groundstation > control. I'm not sure if it will end-up being brandable Fedora without > special permission from the Board. it might have to ship some > configuration information for data collection specifics that won't be > a part of the Fedora repository. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora astronomy mailing list > Fedora-astronomy-list at redhat.com > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-astronomy-list > From telimektar at esraonline.com Fri May 9 11:58:34 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:58:34 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Meeting during the next week ? Message-ID: <67768aef0805090458q716a13b0x9323d71aee3d031d@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, I think the time is come for a new meeting. We must discuss about the future activties of the SIG, goal for F10, answer to the question of Jeff ( what is the SIG has a summer intern), and others.... Do you have any preferences for the time of the meeting ? Please feel free to add your topic here : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/Meetings/Agenda Hope to read as much as possible of you soon ! -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From telimektar at esraonline.com Mon May 12 12:50:41 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:50:41 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Re: Meeting during the next week ? In-Reply-To: <67768aef0805090458q716a13b0x9323d71aee3d031d@mail.gmail.com> References: <67768aef0805090458q716a13b0x9323d71aee3d031d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67768aef0805120550u764dc36s26d210fc1b945789@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/9 Micha?l Ughetto : > Hi everybody, > > I think the time is come for a new meeting. > We must discuss about the future activties of the SIG, goal for F10, > answer to the question of Jeff ( what is the SIG has a summer intern), > and others.... > Do you have any preferences for the time of the meeting ? > > Please feel free to add your topic here : > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/Meetings/Agenda > > Hope to read as much as possible of you soon ! > Nobody answer so here is one proposition. The next meeting will stand on next Saturday, 17th of May at 1600 UTC. Please let me know if it's ok for you ! Have a good day ! -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Mon May 12 17:14:20 2008 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:14:20 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Re: Meeting during the next week ? In-Reply-To: <67768aef0805120550u764dc36s26d210fc1b945789@mail.gmail.com> References: <67768aef0805090458q716a13b0x9323d71aee3d031d@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805120550u764dc36s26d210fc1b945789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48287AEC.5060502@fedoraproject.org> Micha?l Ughetto wrote: > 2008/5/9 Micha?l Ughetto : >> Hi everybody, >> >> I think the time is come for a new meeting. >> We must discuss about the future activties of the SIG, goal for F10, >> answer to the question of Jeff ( what is the SIG has a summer intern), >> and others.... >> Do you have any preferences for the time of the meeting ? >> >> Please feel free to add your topic here : >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/Meetings/Agenda >> >> Hope to read as much as possible of you soon ! >> > > Nobody answer so here is one proposition. > The next meeting will stand on next Saturday, 17th of May at 1600 UTC. > Please let me know if it's ok for you ! It's acceptable for me and I will join. > Have a good day ! > -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Good to hear someone else on this list ;) > So let me catch you all up to speed on a couple of long term ideas > that I've been leveraging my Board title to have conversations about. > > 1) open source amateur telescope network > > Given the right telescope and ccd camera hardware arrangements, we > could provide a completely self-contained Fedora based software setup > for remote instrument control, with turn-key instructions on how to > get an instrument up and in the network. To that end, I have a local > high school teacher who has a small grant to put a remotely controlled > scope together for his classes to use. It looks like we'll be using a > apogee usb camera and an 8 inch meade telescope. Hardware I'm sure we > won't have a problem providing support for in Fedora. A filter wheel > hasn't been selected yet. > > Given that hardware what is the best control and image capture > software we have in Fedora right now that could be used for instrument > control, tracking and image collection? I'm thinking Kstars makes for > the best interface for an educational target, but what do i know. Can > we do guidestar tracking out of the box with this camera and scope, or > would we need a secondary imager? I'm not sure kstars actually does > image based guidestar tracking. > > I haven't even thought about focus control yet. I would imagine we'll > need to homebrew something. Whatever we end up doing, I want it to be > an easy to follow blueprint so I can get another school to do it next > year so we can link multiple instruments together for student use. > > And if all possible I want to be able to produce a Fedora branded live > image with the necessary software to run the instrument. This is a good idea. Actually, I has been working on one similar running project. It's www.skylive.it, the first goal is to include the client in Fedora and EPEL. Anyone interested in that? It needs few python modules and I count on full cooperation with upstream from our side. > 2) Radio Lunar/Solar Bounce HF Groundstations > What would it take to run a network of volunteer groundstations to > participate in a coordinated lunar/solar bounce HF experiment? > I've run across an experimental opportunity for long baseline > interferometry that could make use of a dispersed network of > groundstations, and I'd like to see if we can build that network > through the Fedora project. Obviously it's going to require hardware > that most people don't have...but licensed HAM operators might have. > I'm talking with potential researchers now to organize the science > proposal. But we also need to stat having a conversation inside > Fedora about whether there is enough interest in participating in a > network of volunteer stations. I've talked to a couple of people in > the HAM SIG, but if the Astronomy SIG wants to help make it happen > that would be keen as well. > > Now that gnuradio is in in the repo, what else would be needed in > Fedora to do something coordinated? I'm sure we have the necessary > software to make use of gps time syncing when groundstations have > access to a local gps time source. One of the goals here is a > turn-key live image that can be used as the automated groundstation > control. I'm not sure if it will end-up being brandable Fedora without > special permission from the Board. it might have to ship some > configuration information for data collection specifics that won't be > a part of the Fedora repository. As soon after Fedora 9 release, I would like to start glue all pieces together for the Fedora Astronomy Spin. Fedora 10 announces to be good quality, let's make sure we stand for same. > -jef I'm very happy to have you on this project Jeff. -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Mon May 12 17:34:44 2008 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:34:44 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] kstarts standalone package Message-ID: <48287FB4.203@fedoraproject.org> Hi all, Finally we have a sub-package kdeedu-kstars[1]! Many thanks to Rex Dieter. [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=48505 -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would have to give it serious consideration if a large number of packages that we use here are included, such as the HEASOFT stuff, PyRAF/IRAF, and the Starlink Software Collection. The ESO Scisoft collection would be a brilliant inclusion. We have users with Mac and Windows laptops who I am sure would welcome the Live CD. I know that a few of our UK counterparts are wholly using Fedora so I will bring the project to their attention in case they have not discovered it already. Unfortunately I cannot make any meetings on Saturday due to sports commitments but I will of course keep an eye on the mailing list. Best regards, Mark ---- Mark Mahabir (XROA System Manager) Dept of Physics & Astronomy, Phone +44 116 252 5652 University of Leicester, Fax +44 116 252 3311 Leicester, LE1 7RH, U.K. From sergio.pasra at gmail.com Wed May 14 14:54:52 2008 From: sergio.pasra at gmail.com (Sergio Pascual) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:54:52 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] new to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89b36810805140754u715dbbc3wb1c53278156c0417@mail.gmail.com> Hello Mark. I have packaged some of the more 'astrophysical-oriented' packages in Fedora, such as ds9 or sextractor. I must say that I tend to package software that I use myself or the dependencies of that software (xpa, tkimg, wcstools, funtools are dependencies of ds9, for example). Some of the packages in the scisoft collection are already in fedora (most of the python packages, sextractor, ds9), others can't be included in fedora due to license problems (sadly iraf is one of those). Midas for example would be a very interesting inclusion (I tried to package it in the past unsuccessfully). If you are particularly interested in other packages not already in fedora, please add it to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/Packages/Proposed or if you can't edit the wiki just send me an email. Regards, Sergio -- Sergio Pascual Ram?rez Dept. Astrof?sica Facultad de C.C. F?sicas Universidad Complutense de Madrid From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 16:28:07 2008 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:28:07 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] new to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <482B1317.6000304@fedoraproject.org> Maccy wrote: > Hi all, Hello Maccy, > I have been following this project with interest for a short time. I am > Systems Manager for the X-Ray and Observational Astronomy Group at the > University of Leicester. We run Scientific Linux 4.6 on our desktop > systems, mainly because I have 55+ systems to look after and I don't > want to be upgrading them any more than every 12-18 months. Scientific > Linux has proven to be very stable and trustworthy - it is of course a > rebuild of the RHEL source. This is great! Welcome to the list. I understand that the release cycle is more focused on rapid development, see my notes about EPEL below. > A Fedora Astronomy distro 'proper' would be great, in addition to the Live > CD. Are there any plans for this? I would have to give it serious > consideration if a large number of packages that we use here are included, > such as the HEASOFT stuff, PyRAF/IRAF, and the Starlink Software > Collection. The ESO Scisoft collection would be a brilliant inclusion. > We have users with Mac and Windows laptops who I am sure would welcome the > Live CD. All packages on the Live CD will be also available as 'proper' package. I think you could be interested in EPEL [1], I've packaged some software as gnuradio for EPEL or I have plans to increase the number of packages from Astronomy project there -- in this way you could install these package even on SL. > I know that a few of our UK counterparts are wholly using Fedora so I will > bring the project to their attention in case they have not discovered it > already. Cool! More people would be certainly a good point. > Unfortunately I cannot make any meetings on Saturday due to sports > commitments but I will of course keep an eye on the mailing list. :) You're right, sports are healthier that computers. > Best regards, Have a nice day! > Mark [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed May 14 16:57:39 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:57:39 -0800 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] new to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910805140957r63afda37gce98aa6d48e970fd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Maccy wrote: > A Fedora Astronomy distro 'proper' would be great, Speaking as a Fedora Board member for a moment. Inside the scope of the Fedora project...a proper Astronomy distro with its own release schedule and support cycle would be exceedingly difficult to establish. But I'm not sure that sort of effort is needed. We do have the ability to provide all the astronomy packages in Fedora as EPEL packages as long there is the manpower to do so. EPEL is meant to provide rebuilds of Fedora packages as addons to RHEL and its cousins, using the existing Fedora infrastructure. EPEL is meant to be far less aggressive in terms of updates, since its targeting the enterprise and its derivatives including the RHEL support timescale of 7 years. For Astronomy for EPEL to work effectively we need to have package maintainers who can reasonably make a multi-year commitment for the packaging workload. You make consider trying to become involved explicitly as an EPEL branch maintainer for some of the Astronomy software going into Fedora now. EPEL encourages potential maintainers, like yourself, to discuss adding EPEL maintenence duties with employers to try to establish it as an official job duty. > in addition to the Live > CD. Are there any plans for this? I would have to give it serious > consideration if a large number of packages that we use here are included, > such as the HEASOFT stuff, PyRAF/IRAF, and the Starlink Software > Collection. The ESO Scisoft collection would be a brilliant inclusion. There is always a need for more people to help by maintaining packages they are directly interested in using. If the software in question is licensing such that Fedora can include it, then the only thing stopping its inclusion is the manpower necessary to make it happen. I would very much encourage you to talk to your employer. If you have a compelling reason to make participating in Fedora and EPEL part of your job, you could be a valuable and very productive asset to the Astronomy SIG. > I know that a few of our UK counterparts are wholly using Fedora so I will > bring the project to their attention in case they have not discovered it > already. Yes please do, there will always be a need for active contributors to grow the available number of packages. -jef From telimektar at esraonline.com Fri May 16 13:33:10 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:33:10 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Meeting Reminder : Tomorow 05-17-2008 at 1600 UTC Message-ID: <67768aef0805160633pd432b9ep919b58e0feb71fa0@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, A little reminder for the tomorrow's meeting ! Don't forget to brought any ideas or suggestion ! Edit this page to add a topic : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/Meetings/Agenda See you tomorrow ! -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From telimektar at esraonline.com Tue May 20 20:29:58 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:29:58 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] What is to be done ? who could handle what ? Message-ID: <67768aef0805201329u5214bc5bu7763eac6df341435@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody ! Here is a little todo list born from the meeting : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/TODO This what i mainly get oh the meeting. Please feel free to add tasks, for this is only a draft. We should also discuss about the assignment of tasks. Who's intersted in what ? Who can handle this task or an another ? etc ... Those question are particulary true for the IRAF fork, this our bigger project and he asks a particular involvment. As the person which will take it in charge must be familiar with the software and able to get in contact (and keep it) with the current IRAF community, developpers. This person should also be able to divide and distribute task the more efficiently possible. This is of course my ideal vision of the project. Please take a look to the forementionned page, modify it, discuss it, ask, suggest, .... Thanks for your participation in the SIG. Have a nice day/night/afternoon/morning (refer to your local time :p) ! -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From ghenriks at gmail.com Wed May 21 01:30:44 2008 From: ghenriks at gmail.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:30:44 -0400 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] What is to be done ? who could handle what ? In-Reply-To: <67768aef0805201329u5214bc5bu7763eac6df341435@mail.gmail.com> References: <67768aef0805201329u5214bc5bu7763eac6df341435@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87u63490fhfmitfmuc0pll27u9g6i3kqat@4ax.com> On Tue, 20 May 2008 22:29:58 +0200, you wrote: >Those question are particulary true for the IRAF fork, this our bigger >project and he asks a particular involvment. As the person which will I think it is a bit early to talking about a fork of IRAF, and in fact talk of forking it at this point may well cause problems with the IRAF community. It appears that one of the IRAF maintainers has indicated that while replacing the non-free portions is not a priority for them they would consider replacing them with a contribution from outside the IRAF project. http://iraf.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=86793 Perhaps a rewording of the task list to be less confrontational would help with getting cooperation from the IRAF developers. From telimektar at esraonline.com Wed May 21 08:50:45 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:50:45 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] What is to be done ? who could handle what ? In-Reply-To: <87u63490fhfmitfmuc0pll27u9g6i3kqat@4ax.com> References: <67768aef0805201329u5214bc5bu7763eac6df341435@mail.gmail.com> <87u63490fhfmitfmuc0pll27u9g6i3kqat@4ax.com> Message-ID: <67768aef0805210150m3f450e77kc552308ea223d7d2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/21 Gerald Henriksen : > On Tue, 20 May 2008 22:29:58 +0200, you wrote: > >>Those question are particulary true for the IRAF fork, this our bigger >>project and he asks a particular involvment. As the person which will > > I think it is a bit early to talking about a fork of IRAF, and in fact > talk of forking it at this point may well cause problems with the IRAF > community. > > It appears that one of the IRAF maintainers has indicated that while > replacing the non-free portions is not a priority for them they would > consider replacing them with a contribution from outside the IRAF > project. > > http://iraf.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=86793 > > Perhaps a rewording of the task list to be less confrontational would > help with getting cooperation from the IRAF developers. > I did not know about this topic, "fork" has been the first word i thought about and also the word used during meeting(if I remember well), for i did not know the work of Sergio and the contact he has already take with the IRAF community. It has been replaced. Thanks for your precisions Gerald -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From sergio.pasra at gmail.com Wed May 21 10:05:43 2008 From: sergio.pasra at gmail.com (Sergio Pascual) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:05:43 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Iraf fork? Message-ID: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> Iraf has been developed by NOAO until 2006, when the user support was transferred to a volunteer effort, iraf.net. That was about version 2.12. In 2007, NOAO recollected the patches and user contributions, and together with other improvements, released version 2.14. Iraf is vast and ancient. It's partly written in C and partly written in SPP, a custom made language. SPP needs a custom compiler that it's included in the iraf core. SPP is converted into fortran (using f2c) and compiled with the C compiler. Iraf works in different architectures, but lacks x86_64 support. A project[1] exists to port iraf to x86_64, and it's basically the work of one person, Chisato Yamauchi[2]. This work it's outside NOAO or iraf.net. I help him doing the testing of his developments in my Fedora system, as he develops in CentOS. Iraf includes a copy of the libc of the time of its early developments (mid-80s), replicating the functionality of basic system calls. It also includes a modified copy of ncar[3] graphics library 1.0 (current version is 5.0). ncar wasn't free at that time (I don't know if it's free know, it seems to be composed of several packages, some free and some not). Iraf graphics facility, x11iraf, contains non-free code also. I tried to package it in the past[4], but the package couldn't be included due to legal restrictions again. That's where the thread[5] in iraf.net comes from. It was me complaining about the license text in the iraf.net faq no representing the real status of iraf and x11iraf, misleading into believing that both were free software when they weren't. You can see also the answer to the complains about closed code in iraf, basically "please fix it yourself and send me the patches". As iraf is very far from trivial to compile, I suppose that the number of patches received across the years is nearly zero. Neither iraf.net or noao provide tools to work in iraf development, such as a version control system. So, if we want to develop something based in iraf, we at least need to establish a source tree somewhere. Don't call it a fork if you want, but it's the only way to work. [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/iraf64 [2] http://www.ir.isas.jaxa.jp/~cyamauch/ [3] http://ngwww.ucar.edu/index.html [4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249614 [5] http://iraf.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=86793 From matt at truch.net Tue May 20 14:07:19 2008 From: matt at truch.net (Matthew D Truch) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:07:19 -0400 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Re: Meeting during the next week ? In-Reply-To: <67768aef0805120550u764dc36s26d210fc1b945789@mail.gmail.com> References: <67768aef0805090458q716a13b0x9323d71aee3d031d@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805120550u764dc36s26d210fc1b945789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080520140719.GC8366@truch.net> > Nobody answer so here is one proposition. > The next meeting will stand on next Saturday, 17th of May at 1600 UTC. > Please let me know if it's ok for you ! I missed the meeting, but did it happen? I'd love to see a log of what was discussed. -- "Two Hundred -- And Forty Dollars -- Worth of Pudding -- Aww Yeah!" -------------------------- Matthew Truch Department of Physics and Astronomy University of Pennsylvania matt at truch.net http://matt.truch.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From telimektar at esraonline.com Wed May 21 20:21:58 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:21:58 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Re: Meeting during the next week ? In-Reply-To: <20080520140719.GC8366@truch.net> References: <67768aef0805090458q716a13b0x9323d71aee3d031d@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805120550u764dc36s26d210fc1b945789@mail.gmail.com> <20080520140719.GC8366@truch.net> Message-ID: <67768aef0805211321i30f76f85sd23a42a90e721f4e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/20 Matthew D Truch : >> Nobody answer so here is one proposition. >> The next meeting will stand on next Saturday, 17th of May at 1600 UTC. >> Please let me know if it's ok for you ! > > I missed the meeting, but did it happen? I'd love to see a log of what > was discussed. Sorry I just change my irc client and i forget to log my sessions. Marek can you post the log please ? -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From telimektar at esraonline.com Wed May 21 21:29:38 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:29:38 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Iraf fork? In-Reply-To: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/21 Sergio Pascual : > Iraf has been developed by NOAO until 2006, when the user support was > transferred to a volunteer effort, iraf.net. That was about version > 2.12. In 2007, NOAO recollected the patches and user contributions, > and together with other improvements, released version 2.14. > > Iraf is vast and ancient. It's partly written in C and partly written > in SPP, a custom made language. SPP needs a custom compiler that it's > included in the iraf core. SPP is converted into fortran (using f2c) > and compiled with the C compiler. > > Iraf works in different architectures, but lacks x86_64 support. A > project[1] exists to port iraf to x86_64, and it's basically the work > of one person, Chisato Yamauchi[2]. This work it's outside NOAO or > iraf.net. I help him doing the testing of his developments in my > Fedora system, as he develops in CentOS. > > Iraf includes a copy of the libc of the time of its early developments > (mid-80s), replicating the functionality of basic system calls. It > also includes a modified copy of ncar[3] graphics library 1.0 (current > version is 5.0). ncar wasn't free at that time (I don't know if it's > free know, it seems to be composed of several packages, some free and > some not). > > Iraf graphics facility, x11iraf, contains non-free code also. I tried > to package it in the past[4], but the package couldn't be included due > to legal restrictions again. That's where the thread[5] in iraf.net > comes from. It was me complaining about the license text in the > iraf.net faq no representing the real status of iraf and x11iraf, > misleading into believing that both were free software when they > weren't. You can see also the answer to the complains about closed > code in iraf, basically "please fix it yourself and send me the > patches". As iraf is very far from trivial to compile, I suppose that > the number of patches received across the years is nearly zero. > > Neither iraf.net or noao provide tools to work in iraf development, > such as a version control system. So, if we want to develop something > based in iraf, we at least need to establish a source tree somewhere. > Don't call it a fork if you want, but it's the only way to work. > > > [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/iraf64 > [2] http://www.ir.isas.jaxa.jp/~cyamauch/ > [3] http://ngwww.ucar.edu/index.html > [4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249614 > [5] http://iraf.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=86793 > Thanks for all those precisions Sergio. If I understood well, our better (and only ?) option if we want IRAF in Fedora is to push it to our trac server and work hard, right ? ( i do not consider the waiting solution ) -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From wrolf at wrolf.net Thu May 22 22:17:50 2008 From: wrolf at wrolf.net (Wrolf) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:17:50 -0400 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] new to the list In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805140957r63afda37gce98aa6d48e970fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805140957r63afda37gce98aa6d48e970fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211494670.2778.8.camel@turing.home.wrolf.net> On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 08:57 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > EPEL is meant to > provide rebuilds of Fedora packages as addons to RHEL and its cousins, > using the existing Fedora infrastructure. EPEL is meant to be far > less aggressive in terms of updates, since its targeting the > enterprise and its derivatives including the RHEL support timescale of > 7 years. For Astronomy for EPEL ... Not quite as new to the list, but lurking up till now. I do not understand why anyone from the Astronomy SIG would be rebuilding Fedora packages for RHEL. As I understand the model from the Astronomy SIG, it is to write SPECs and RPMs for Fedora, either of existing packages, or of new work; and also provide an Astronomy spin of Fedora - kickstart file(s) and .iso builds of a subset of Fedora, with all the packages that an astronomer would need. And ideally these spins could be put on a live CD with persistence. Oriented at rank amateurs (I just like to print out star charts for when I go camping with the boys), to professional astronomers. As I understand it, this is exactly the model for special interest groups in Fedora - get your software packaged and suitable for the repo, and/or create .ks and/or .iso file that include some subset of Fedora packages, including those specific to your SIG. I do not see where EPEL comes in. Wrolf From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu May 22 22:42:25 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:42:25 -0800 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] new to the list In-Reply-To: <1211494670.2778.8.camel@turing.home.wrolf.net> References: <604aa7910805140957r63afda37gce98aa6d48e970fd@mail.gmail.com> <1211494670.2778.8.camel@turing.home.wrolf.net> Message-ID: <604aa7910805221542l582eb1a8q8793b3a169115ca8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Wrolf wrote: > I do not understand why anyone from the Astronomy SIG would be > rebuilding Fedora packages for RHEL. > I do not see where EPEL comes in. First of all I think you should understand that EPEL is actually a piece of Fedora, its just another branch for the Fedora build system. As a Fedora maintainer you can choose to maintain the EPEL branch or let another Fedora contributor maintain that branch for you. I currently maintain scipy and some related packages for EPEL as well as active Fedora branches as part of my Fedora contributions. So in a very real sense any SIG could in fact be contributing to EPEL. As a Fedora Project Board member, I'm actually trying to see things re-structured so SIGs can choice to formally have a EPEL role that can recruit contributors for so users of the software for all the binaries that come out of the Fedora build system can use a SIG to communicate with maintainers and developers. See my role based SIGs initiative posts on the fedora-advisory-list for more information concerning roles. But more to the point.....the original poster mentioned Scientific Linux....which is itself based on the RHEL sources. So the EPEL description was meant in the context of what I thought the original poster was looking for in terms of a life cycle for a distribution. I very much encourage the idea of an Astronomy livecd(actually with the advent of the usb image stuff..we probably just say Astronomy images..though even that's confusing). I think such images would have absolutely great value. But the reality is such a livecd would have a usable lifetime constrained by the Fedora release policy... of approximately 13 months. This will be fine for some people, and it will be too short for others. If it is too short for the original posters needs, then contributing to Fedora by building Astronomy EPEL packages in coordination with the Astronomy SIG may very well be the best available option for him. It really comes down to what the original poster is looking for in terms of usability lifetime. If the original poster was looking for an opportunity to have a long-lived distribution, then contributing to Fedora by maintaining Fedora Astronomy packages in EPEL and then using EPEL on CentOS for his own needs might best fit what he is looking to do. Hell, EPEL might actually work directly on Scientific Linux since its a enterprise rebuild as well, someone would have to check that for sure however. -jef From sergio.pasra at gmail.com Fri May 23 08:38:16 2008 From: sergio.pasra at gmail.com (Sergio Pascual) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:38:16 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Iraf fork? In-Reply-To: <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89b36810805230138o3261d10ayf51985f81693807d@mail.gmail.com> > If I understood well, our better (and only ?) option if we want IRAF > in Fedora is to push it to our trac server and work hard, right ? ( i > do not consider the waiting solution ) Yes, that's my opinion. But I would like to hear some others. From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Sun May 25 19:54:31 2008 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 21:54:31 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Fedora Astronomy SIG Meeting log 17-05-2008 Message-ID: <4839C3F7.1060100@fedoraproject.org> The log is attached. -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: irc.meeting.log.txt URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For Astronomy for EPEL ... > > Not quite as new to the list, but lurking up till now. > > I do not understand why anyone from the Astronomy SIG would be > rebuilding Fedora packages for RHEL. > > As I understand the model from the Astronomy SIG, it is to write SPECs > and RPMs for Fedora, either of existing packages, or of new work; and > also provide an Astronomy spin of Fedora - kickstart file(s) and .iso > builds of a subset of Fedora, with all the packages that an astronomer > would need. And ideally these spins could be put on a live CD with > persistence. Oriented at rank amateurs (I just like to print out star > charts for when I go camping with the boys), to professional > astronomers. This is wrong. I do consider this SIG a group of people trying to promote open-source in the world of astronomy (both professional and amateur) and thinks that Fedora is a good way to start. I would be more that happy that someone uses our good work on Centos, RHEL, Ubuntu or any other open-source project. Fedora is a open project. > As I understand it, this is exactly the model for special interest > groups in Fedora - get your software packaged and suitable for the repo, > and/or create .ks and/or .iso file that include some subset of Fedora > packages, including those specific to your SIG. > > I do not see where EPEL comes in. It's a sub-project of Fedora project that helps people to get the open-source software for their open-source enterprise solutions. > Wrolf -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sergio, would you mind to contact the Iraf developers again, asking if they want to re-consider it or at least help us? -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ghenriks at gmail.com Mon May 26 00:16:56 2008 From: ghenriks at gmail.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:16:56 -0400 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Iraf fork? In-Reply-To: <4839C837.5080607@fedoraproject.org> References: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> <89b36810805230138o3261d10ayf51985f81693807d@mail.gmail.com> <4839C837.5080607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 May 2008 22:12:39 +0200, you wrote: >Sergio Pascual wrote: >>> If I understood well, our better (and only ?) option if we want IRAF >>> in Fedora is to push it to our trac server and work hard, right ? ( i >>> do not consider the waiting solution ) >> >> Yes, that's my opinion. But I would like to hear some others. > >Sadly true that it's our last solution. An alternative is to not include iraf in Fedora directly but instead package it up for RPM Fusion (rpmfusion.org). While obviously not ideal it does at least get iraf packaged for Fedora, and a project to replace the non-free bits could still go ahead without the pressure of getting iraf in as soon as possible. From telimektar at esraonline.com Mon May 26 08:36:23 2008 From: telimektar at esraonline.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Ughetto?=) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:36:23 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Iraf fork? In-Reply-To: References: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> <89b36810805230138o3261d10ayf51985f81693807d@mail.gmail.com> <4839C837.5080607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <67768aef0805260136o52884892n4146cff4c35f8949@mail.gmail.com> 2008/5/26 Gerald Henriksen : > On Sun, 25 May 2008 22:12:39 +0200, you wrote: > >>Sergio Pascual wrote: >>>> If I understood well, our better (and only ?) option if we want IRAF >>>> in Fedora is to push it to our trac server and work hard, right ? ( i >>>> do not consider the waiting solution ) >>> >>> Yes, that's my opinion. But I would like to hear some others. >> >>Sadly true that it's our last solution. > > An alternative is to not include iraf in Fedora directly but instead > package it up for RPM Fusion (rpmfusion.org). > > While obviously not ideal it does at least get iraf packaged for > Fedora, and a project to replace the non-free bits could still go > ahead without the pressure of getting iraf in as soon as possible. > It looks like a good compromise. But it must be considered only as a *temporary* solution. -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Mon May 26 10:10:24 2008 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:10:24 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Iraf fork? In-Reply-To: <67768aef0805260136o52884892n4146cff4c35f8949@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> <89b36810805230138o3261d10ayf51985f81693807d@mail.gmail.com> <4839C837.5080607@fedoraproject.org> <67768aef0805260136o52884892n4146cff4c35f8949@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483A8C90.3010203@fedoraproject.org> Micha?l Ughetto wrote: > 2008/5/26 Gerald Henriksen : >> On Sun, 25 May 2008 22:12:39 +0200, you wrote: >> >>> Sergio Pascual wrote: >>>>> If I understood well, our better (and only ?) option if we want IRAF >>>>> in Fedora is to push it to our trac server and work hard, right ? ( i >>>>> do not consider the waiting solution ) >>>> Yes, that's my opinion. But I would like to hear some others. >>> Sadly true that it's our last solution. >> An alternative is to not include iraf in Fedora directly but instead >> package it up for RPM Fusion (rpmfusion.org). >> >> While obviously not ideal it does at least get iraf packaged for >> Fedora, and a project to replace the non-free bits could still go >> ahead without the pressure of getting iraf in as soon as possible. >> > > It looks like a good compromise. But it must be considered only as a > *temporary* solution. Yes, but sadly we won't be able to use it in our spin anyway due to licensing issues. -- Marek Mahut https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy/ Fedora Project http://www.jamendo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <483A8C90.3010203@fedoraproject.org> References: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> <89b36810805230138o3261d10ayf51985f81693807d@mail.gmail.com> <4839C837.5080607@fedoraproject.org> <67768aef0805260136o52884892n4146cff4c35f8949@mail.gmail.com> <483A8C90.3010203@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <67768aef0805290315j7960fce7m82fe96fbfc2c3333@mail.gmail.com> To summarize, tasks linked to IRAF are the following : -Push IRAF into Livna as a temporary solution -Push IRAF on our Trac server -Get in contact with IRAF developpers (and all people that have been working on it such as the IRAF64) and ask them for their help and developping documentation. Is everybody ok for this ? -- Michael Ughetto (Telimektar) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MichaelUghetto || 0x8ECBA2A4 on pgp.mit.edu From mmahut at fedoraproject.org Thu May 29 11:16:55 2008 From: mmahut at fedoraproject.org (Marek Mahut) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:16:55 +0200 Subject: [fedora-astronomy] Iraf fork? In-Reply-To: <67768aef0805290315j7960fce7m82fe96fbfc2c3333@mail.gmail.com> References: <89b36810805210305t40f49adasfcb1f57cd398aeb2@mail.gmail.com> <67768aef0805211429i4eabf770pe3c2df9b4b3df7f6@mail.gmail.com> <89b36810805230138o3261d10ayf51985f81693807d@mail.gmail.com> <4839C837.5080607@fedoraproject.org> <67768aef0805260136o52884892n4146cff4c35f8949@mail.gmail.com> <483A8C90.3010203@fedoraproject.org> <67768aef0805290315j7960fce7m82fe96fbfc2c3333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483E90A7.2000005@fedoraproject.org> Micha?l Ughetto wrote: > To summarize, tasks linked to IRAF are the following : > > -Push IRAF into Livna as a temporary solution We can do this, but as I said before, we won't be able to ship it with the spin... > -Push IRAF on our Trac server I'm not sure if we can store closed source application on the trac. > -Get in contact with IRAF developpers (and all people that have been > working on it such as the IRAF64) and ask them for their help and > developping documentation. 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