From wtogami at redhat.com Wed Jun 13 19:18:42 2007 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:18:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora-Devel-Announce is Now Open Message-ID: <46704312.7080705@redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce fedora-devel-announce list is now open. The goal of this list is to make it easy for Fedora contributors to follow changes in that may be pertinent to developers within the Fedora Project. This is intended to be a LOW TRAFFIC announce-only list of development topics, so we hope subscribers wont feel the need to filter it away from their Inbox. Acceptable Types of Announcements ================================= * Policy or process changes that affect developers. * Infrastructure changes that affect developers. * Tools changes that affect developers. * Schedule changes * Freeze reminders Unacceptable Types of Announcements =================================== * Periodic automated reports (violates the INFREQUENT rule) * Discussion * Anything else not mentioned above Some List Details ================= * fedora-devel-announce is OPTIONAL for project contributors, although highly recommended. * In the future we will auto-subscribe new members who achieve sponsored packager status to this list. They may choose to unsubscribe themselves thereafter. * All announcements here will also be delivered to fedora-devel-list. So if you follow fedora-devel-list religiously you don't need to subscribe to fedora-devel-announce. * Replies on fedora-devel-announce go to fedora-devel-list. fedora-devel-list allows posting only to subscribed members. If you want to post but are not subscribed, you must subscribe then turn off mail delivery in the list's web interface. From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jun 14 20:15:03 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC5 EOL on 2007-06-29 Message-ID: So I posted a general announcement to fedora-announce-list, but it's worth using our new fedora-devel-announce list to remind everyone that FC5 is EOL'd on June 29th. Jesse Keating is the guy to go to with any questions about how this will happen from the dev perspective. thanks, Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From katzj at redhat.com Fri Jun 15 18:27:49 2007 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:27:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Schedule Message-ID: <1181932070.7422.13.camel@erebor.boston.redhat.com> The Fedora 8 schedule has been finalized by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. Based on the schedule proposed by the board, FESCo has made some slight changes to better accommodate the schedules of some of our high-profile upstream projects. Highlights of the schedule are: 1 August 2007 -- Fedora 8 Test1 released 5 September 2007 -- Fedora 8 Test2 released 3 October 2007 -- Fedora 8 Test3 released 7 November 2007 -- Fedora 8 General Availability As always, see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Schedule for the full details including freeze dates, translation schedules, etc Jeremy From ville.skytta at iki.fi Tue Jun 19 17:51:41 2007 From: ville.skytta at iki.fi (Ville =?iso-8859-1?q?Skytt=E4?=) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:51:41 +0300 Subject: Packaging guidelines: ScriptletSnippets fixes Message-ID: <200706192051.42210.ville.skytta@iki.fi> Guidelines change: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/ScriptletSnippets The scriptlet snippets page in Wiki has been updated to fix some inaccuracies in scriptlet exit statuses and scriptlet termination causes. Changes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/ScriptletSnippets?action=diff&rev2=9&rev1=7 From a.badger at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 18:48:08 2007 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:48:08 -0700 Subject: OCaml Guidelines Message-ID: <1182278888.29855.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> The guidelines created by our hardworking OCaml SIG have been approved by the Packaging Committee and FESCo. Everyone who has been wondering about the difference between a cmi, cmx, and cma can visit:: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/OCaml for the official word on what they mean and how to package them. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From a.badger at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 18:48:13 2007 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:48:13 -0700 Subject: Bugzilla Products for Fedora Core and Fedora Extras merged Message-ID: <1182278893.29855.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings, Until yesterday, bugzilla.redhat.com was living in the past, holding onto the former glory memory of a separate Fedora Core and Fedora Extras. Thanks to the hard work of our bugzilla admins, bugzilla has caught up to the present and those products have been united under one simple name, Fedora. All old bugs targeting Fedora Extras or Fedora Core now target Fedora instead. All packages which were once a part of Fedora Core or Fedora Extras are now members of Fedora. As part of this change, owners.list has been updated. This was largely a trivial replacement of "Fedora Extras" or "Fedora Core" with "Fedora" but in a few places the package had been present in both Core and Extras. For these, the packages have been merged with the owners and initialcc list for each being combined. This means that a few packagers in Extras who gave up their packages to Core maintainers or vice versa may now be listed as a co-owner. You can check whether this is the case for any of your packages by checking out the current owners.list from cvs: CVSROOT=:ext:URSERNAME at cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/extras cvs co owners and verifying that your name is associated with the packages you wish. If everything is fine, nothing needs to be done. If you want to make a change, please follow the procedure here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CVSAdminProcedure to make your change requests. Thanks, Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkeating at redhat.com Mon Jun 25 18:27:40 2007 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:27:40 -0400 Subject: koji.fedoraproject.org Unplanned outage | 6/25/07 - 1:30PM EDT Message-ID: <200706251427.41110.jkeating@redhat.com> O U T A G E R E P O R T F O R M =================================== Incident Date: 6/25/07 Incident Time: 1:30PM EDT Elapsed Time of Incident: Ongoing People/Groups Impacted: Package builders / update tool / koji web services Site Affected: koji.fedoraproject.org Description: The koji.fedoraproject.org server is experiencing very high load. Attempts to login and address the load issue are under way. Future Recommendations: Continue investigating process issues with httpd (if that proves to be the culprit once more). -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jkeating at redhat.com Mon Jun 25 18:44:21 2007 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:44:21 -0400 Subject: koji.fedoraproject.org Unplanned outage | 6/25/07 - 1:30PM EDT In-Reply-To: <200706251427.41110.jkeating@redhat.com> References: <200706251427.41110.jkeating@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200706251444.21175.jkeating@redhat.com> On Monday 25 June 2007 14:27:40 Jesse Keating wrote: > O U T A G E ? R E P O R T ? F O R M > =================================== > > Incident Date: ? ? ? ? ? > 6/25/07 ? ? ? ? ? ? > > Incident Time: ? ? ? ? ? > 1:30PM EDT ? ? ? ? ? > > Elapsed Time of Incident: > Ongoing ? ? The outage is now over. The server was rebooted. All active builds at tiem of the outage should continue through. -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcallawa at redhat.com Tue Jun 26 17:18:04 2007 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:18:04 -0500 Subject: Packaging guidelines: Directory ownership clarification Message-ID: <1182878284.5150.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Guidelines change: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines The following addendum was made to the FileAndDirectoryOwnership section: Another exception for directory ownership in packages is when there is no clear dependency hierarchy. An example: Foo-Animal-Emu puts files into /usr/share/Foo/Animal/Emu Foo-Animal-Llama puts files into /usr/share/Foo/Animal/Llama Neither package depends on the other one. Neither package depends on any other package which owns the /usr/share/Foo/Animal/ directory. In this case, each package must own the /usr/share/Foo/Animal/ directory. ~spot From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Jun 26 21:45:29 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:45:29 -0500 Subject: Outage Notification (Bugzilla) - 2007-06-30 01:00 Message-ID: <468188F9.6010401@redhat.com> There will be an outage starting at 2007-06-30 01:00 [UTC], which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html Affected Services: Bugzilla Unaffected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database DNS Mail Torrent Reason for Outage: Red Hat will be taking down bugzilla.rehat.com for maintenance on the bugs database. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From katzj at redhat.com Tue Jun 26 22:20:13 2007 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:20:13 -0400 Subject: Package Updating Doc Available Message-ID: <1182896413.10532.30.camel@aglarond.local> Documentation describing the new package update process flow is now available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UpdatingPackageHowTo. Feel free to update with any clarifications that you feel are needed and can figure out or ask away. Jeremy From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jun 27 22:41:33 2007 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora 8's FUDCon Message-ID: Yesterday the Fedora Board made the decision not to hold an in-person FUDCon for F8. Like you, I'm a disappointed, but I'm also excited for us to try out an organized, weekend-long virtual hackfest (more below). The Board also began planning for the F9 FUDCon, which would be held around January or February 2008. This earlier planning should give us time to resolve the kinds of problems we've faced with this short-notice FUDCon. There's a couple of reasons for the cancellation of the Fedora 8 FUDCon. The first is the most obvious of all -- we have been unable to secure a location that could offer us a place for both a FUDCon and a hackfest. Additionally, the administrative overhead for putting on a FUDCon is very high. Becoming a FUDCon event planner becomes a full time job for a couple of people in order to make the event happen. Especially this late, just getting the logistics for a FUDCon worked out would take up lots of people's time that we can't really afford. Also a factor is the financial cost of a FUDCon. With the comparatively smaller scope of Fedora 8, it seems wise to save money now by not going through the whole FUDCon process, and allowing the financial and budget planners to have more opportunity to make a larger commitment to Fedora 9. Fedora 9 will be a bigger release, and I'd rather have one really good FUDCon and hackfest then, than try to do two of them on the cheap. The feature list for Fedora 8 is coming together very well, and we're planning over the next few weeks how we can do a virtual hackfest for F8. The idea is to pick some days, probably the same weekend (4, 5 August), and organize energy around people having an IRC-based hackfest that weekend. We can capture some of the energy that would come from a hackfest, but in a way that has significantly less overhead and organizational costs. Part of the danger of trying to plan and discuss things in public from the very beginning is that when you're forced to pull the plug on something, you have to send out emails like this. I'm willing to accept that, because overall I think we get a bretter experience for everyone by doing our planning in the open. Sorry, folks, for the short notice coming and going! We really appreciate your understanding, flexibility, good ideas, and patience. --Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 From rnorwood at redhat.com Thu Jun 28 16:07:21 2007 From: rnorwood at redhat.com (Robin Norwood) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:07:21 -0400 Subject: perl-devel will be removed from the f8 buildroots Message-ID: Hi, On Monday, perl-devel will be removed from the f8 buildroots. This means that if you try to build a perl-* package that uses the perl build tools, you will need to add those tools to the BuildRequires for the package. The most common will be: BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) But you should also watch the build output to make sure tests aren't being skipped due to other missing modules. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching From jkeating at redhat.com Thu Jun 28 23:46:22 2007 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:46:22 -0400 Subject: koji.fedoraproject.org Unplanned outage | 6/28/07 - 6:00PM EDT Message-ID: <200706281946.25821.jkeating@redhat.com> O U T A G E R E P O R T F O R M =================================== Incident Date: 6/28/07 Incident Time: 6:00PM EDT Elapsed Time of Incident: Ongoing People/Groups Impacted: Package builders / update tool / koji web services Site Affected: koji.fedoraproject.org Description: The koji.fedoraproject.org server is experiencing very high load. Attempts to login and address the load issue are under way. Future Recommendations: Continue investigating process issues with httpd (if that proves to be the culprit once more). -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Attempts > to login and address the load issue are under way. > > Future Recommendations: > Continue investigating process issues with httpd (if that proves to be the > culprit once more). Outage is now over. Future Recommendations: Properly document location of koji server and instructions on how to power cycle. Grant access to admins in multiple timezones for "round the clock" coverage. -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: