<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.0.10"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 19:31, Chris Chabot wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE>Hmm the only things i would see missing TCL is expect, compat-db-4 and maybe the occasional eggdrop? Kill it i say! :-) From: "Alan Cox" <alan@redhat.com> <massive snippage> > rather like killing off tcl and perl will > (and no nobody plans to remove perl...)</PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Not a very open-source attitude. Open-source is about having options. We should not kill anything... Just move them in a separate repository, like.... say... Fedora Extras. That reminds me. Some people actually love LPRng, enlightenment, wu-imapd, wmaker, lilo, $other_removed_package. By removing those you sometimes break backwards compatibility! They should be in Fedora Extras, and while upgrading the distro, the user should be warned that $removed_package will not be available anymore. You can't even begin to imagine what it felt like when I upgraded a RH9 (upgraded from 7.1 (upgraded from 6.2(upgraded from 6.0 (upgraded from 4.2)))) to FC2 and discovered that imap doesn't work anymore. I did read the release notes, but those didn't warn me about the removal of the already existing package. I really hated cyrus-imapd after that. We should start working on simple upgrade scripts from now on. If upgrading to cyrus/dovecot is mandatory, the user should be aware of how to migrate his current config AND DATA to the newer version. I have nothing actually against the replacements except for the fact that they gave me some trouble on the way. We should always consider that some users are stoooopid and that it's not obvious for them how to work with the upgrade. Documentation, warnings, upgrade scripts, all of them should be present here!!! At least if we want Fedora to still be considered a professional distribution, made by professional developers (I know about the bleeding edge stuff, but I don't buy that, maybe a little on rawhide, which is still stable enough for me). Cheers <PRE><TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> <TT>Răzvan Corneliu VILT e-mail:<A HREF="mailto:razvan.vilt@linux360.ro">razvan.vilt@linux360.ro</A> GPG:<A HREF="http://d3vi1.linux360.ro/public-keys/">http://d3vi1.linux360.ro/public-keys/</A> www: <A HREF="http://d3vi1.linux360.ro/">http://d3vi1.linux360.ro/</TT></A> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </PRE> </BODY> </HTML>