<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <div align="justify">Excuses for all.. <blockquote>Yeah... there are concrete problems with the lack of the java plug in. But besides that I had problems with some applications (class this and class that not found... and lots of other errors and messages, but I'm not St. Claire - Santa Clara - to give light to blind people, nor I'm under contract to point out again and again where inconsistencies appear). BTW, try to run Gentleware SW Poseidon for UML without Sun Java... Try to develop sw for portables using Waba/Super-Waba or the likes without Sun Java... anyways, I think that at the moment the discussion turned quite "religious" and around "dogma" so I'll pretend everything is ok and stop posting, pretending that if nobody complains, then there are no problems at all. I wrote consistently in past around problems with SATA RAID (RAID1) and computer locking without leaving a single trace message for you to work with and try to discover what happened. Last week another guy started the same "via crucis"... Perhaps next week someone else will engage the line and post the same question... My advice to the poor boys... convince your boss to purchase external SCSI raid. But before, see if it is compatible... avoid the risk of get it even not recognized by Operating System. I warned about USB system not recognizing OV-511 devices. Well it is not true: if you turn your computer off and them turn it on... it recognizes it... but don't unplug from main power lines... just turn off and on... The current kernel (2.8.16-1.2083_FC6) issues a message that the processor of my box is overheating, so speed is going down... That's not true and I sent an e-mail... The answer was: not enough data, but that was all the data recorded... BTW, I'm not working in a morgue, but temperatures are around 20C... Solution? Easy: download kernel source (not available by default), fix it, recompile it... re-install it. And now I work without the annoyance of "clock speed throttling down and" until the computer gets stuck... BTW, if someone cares, heat sensors get crazy whenever FPU is required like with setiathome (BOINC). Processor: Pentium 4 @ 2.8GHz (not that Ferrari). All coolers and fans working properly... NVIDIA is a "recurrent" issue... and official position is that people don't need NVIDA official drivers... because if you want to play a game you will use a M$ box or a PS2 box... They forgot people who, by any chance, may be interested in using CAD software that creates 3D real time animations (no problem... you save your animation and see it later like a mpeg4 movie... eeepss... like avi movie... eeepsss... like theora movie). Or you download everything you need (step by step) from livna, DAG or other places... And so on and so forth... (even if you're not systems manager, even if you have a schedule to deliver the work ...). But perhaps I should became an evangelist and start going to the CAD and Game and Sound/Music/Video companies convincing them that ogg/theora is the holly word. Until it is not. Hey, I'm in the "business" from early 80's... remember: OSI network with it's 7 layer architecture would be the future of networking... the heated discussion about field-bus and other architectures... and why ethernet would never be used inside a factory or production platform... The needs for the complicated OSI management (nowadays everybody uses SNMP) and why ASN-2 would be the word in terms of data description (nowadays everybody uses XML). I watched heated discussions around Lotos/Estelle and other "formal protocol description languages"... None became standard or evolved to important commercial product. You know some? Please, name it to me... The "big promise for the 90's", the Ethernet-V6 is still a promise in the 2000's... address and QoS issues are being asserted in Ethernet-V4... Then came ISDN for "fast SOHO and home use"... ISDN (64kbps) became Fast ISDN (128kbps) and now both are deeeeaaaad. Now we talk about 2mbps ADSL/Cable connections... And, naturally, 2Mbps wireless... I was just present when heated discussions about the advantages of ATM and why "megabit ethernet" would never launch. Saw every type of simulations... Now we are discussing Gigabit Ethernet and I have seem very few people working around ATM. In short: dogma sucks... Now I don't use NVIDIA anymore (thanks to Fedora) and use SiS... Then, at some point someone inside said that the responsibility of "Fedora People" is with "RedHat share holders". Then it (the discussion) got really crazy: not to "cause trouble" to the company, lets make it less functional and competitive... Then, when I say what happens in the biggest market of LA (not Mexico), they "kindly remove the top of the message"... But if the responsibility is with the share holders, them they must know why sales are bleak... Not that I really care about that... I am not a RedHat share holder... I just happened to see the movie "Supersize-me" from mr. Spurlock in the HBO2 channel. McDonalds behavior just make me think about the meaning of this conversation. With the complication that at no point mr. Spurlock was called by any official from McDonalds of being "stupid". Neither he had to hear "if you're not satisfied with McDonalds, why don't you eat at Burger King, just next block"... </blockquote> Bye and Godspeed </div> Pedro Fernandes Macedo escreveu: <blockquote cite="mid20060331154113.9493.qmail@hm196.locaweb.com.br" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:15:02 -0500, Andrew Overholt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:overholt@redhat.com"><overholt@redhat.com></a> escreveu: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">* Casimiro de Almeida Barreto <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:casimiro.barreto@gmail.com"><casimiro.barreto@gmail.com></a> [2006-03-28 07:59]: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">The java that comes along with GCC runs only about 10-20% of Java Applications in market. Want examples: try to access any Brazilian bank using "Fedora standard Java". </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Can you give concrete examples? Preferably as bugs? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> The banks that he mentions require a java plugin, so he will have to wait for the work on the plugin. As for the applications, I dont have any examples of well known applications, except the bug report I just filled (bug 187513), about a JFileChooser that shows no files in the directory and throws an exception if you click on area where the files should be. -- Pedro Macedo </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>