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Honestly as hard as i know it is for people to let go of a feeling of
'vengance', no where in my post did i mention anything related to 'non
opensource'.<br>
<br>
I know some of this thread was about nvidia drivers related to xorg
7.1, however please, keep an open mind to what people are trying to
say. if not the bitterness you feel for one subject will make you blind
to other wisdoms.<br>
<br>
As Hans's thread read "this is *NOT* about the aiglx/nvidia example",
very few people seemed to grasp this concept, and thought his only
intrest was to fuel an ever expanding flame war? Not so .. there was a
very good different point in there, that had nothing to do with the
'open source vs not open source drivers' debate.<br>
<br>
As is the same with this editorial, and discussions on digg/slashdot.. <br>
<br>
The point i was trying to illustrate (and mentioned before in a few of
my posts), is that we shouldn't loose focus on the spit-and-polish,
keeping the end users in mind, not losing our ever important market and
more importantly, mind share.. <br>
<br>
Maybe we truly disagree on the goals and target audiance for Fedora..
In my mind, i want to help make Fedora great (and contribute to it to
for this reason) to make it something very pleasant and easy to use for
the end-users.<br>
<br>
While i know Fedora completely dominates in the technical area (how
could it not with some of the finest developers, lots of glibc and gcc
developers, and creator of many such great new programs such as the
'gnome-power-manager', etc), what else is technical goodness then a
tool to support a different end goal .. making things possible for the
end users, making things easier, enabling whole generations of people
to do things, they otherwise would not have been able to do! Grow and
develop open source development, allow business users to do their
thing, allow home users to play with video, music, movies and other
'leasure' programs as they see fit, allow universities to have hundreds
to thousands of desktops used for research, without being constrained
and/or limited by Microsoft (or other) taxes, allowing children to grow
up being able to hack their first python or c program, and even
contributing to the OLPC program to allow millions of children access
to more information and better education. To me thats freedom, not only
as beer, but also freedom by being enabled, freedom of speech, freedom
of choice, freedom to develop passions and to excel in this world<br>
<br>
For Fedora to feed these possibilities in the world, technical
superiority is a great starting point, but not the end. To make
children, new computer users and people who want to switch from other
systems 'love' fedora and enable all these things in their lives, more
is needed ... spit and polish, easily usable software, a consistent and
well thought out platform and applications.<br>
<br>
SuSe is definatly trying to move this way with their
'betterdesktop.com' initiative, Ubuntu showed us there is a craving and
a market for such things, OLPC shows us Redhat (and many others) care
greatly about such things too.<br>
<br>
So no this thread was not a necro-digg to try to re-light an old
discussion, it was send hoping that after a few days of rest people
might be open to a different discussion.<br>
<br>
Clearly by your (and Sean's) reactions, i failed miserably in this,
however i hope its not to late yet to turn this around<br>
<br>
-- Chris Chabot<br>
<br>
seth vidal wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 12:46 -0400, Sean wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:10:04 +0200
Chris Chabot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chabotc@xs4all.nl"><chabotc@xs4all.nl></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">An interesting editorial on this topic, that might sum up some of the
feelings that some people have been feeling:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/editorial_13">http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/editorial_13</a>
Slashdot discussion on this:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/02/0238233">http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/02/0238233</a>
Digg discussion:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://digg.com/linux_unix/Why_Red_Hat_will_go_bust_because_of_Ubuntu">http://digg.com/linux_unix/Why_Red_Hat_will_go_bust_because_of_Ubuntu</a>
All of this isn't necessarily to be taken as gospel, however it does
illustrate well the point some of 'us' have been trying to make .. lets
not forget about the users! :-)
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<pre wrap="">Agreed, let us not forget about the open source users. Let's not let the
people who want to use binary-only proprietary extension spoil the
distribution for those that don't. On top of which, the first article
you cite seems to indicate that the niche you're worried about is
already nicely filled by Ubuntu. There doesn't seem to be much
reason for Fedora to become just another Ubuntu.
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I know I'm not the typical user - but I got involved with fedora and
with linux in general b/c of open source.
I don't want to work on a distribution that isn't sticking to those
ideals.
The only two distros I can think of that follow that extremely closely
are fedora and debian.
ubuntu is definitely not one of them.
Thank you for making this point.
-sv
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