<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Les Mikesell <<a href="mailto:lesmikesell@gmail.com">lesmikesell@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Are you saying that Fedora will publish any kind of cruft an upstream developer cranks out? I was trying to give you guys some credit... </blockquote></div> I am saying that it is an explicit goal of this project to work directly inside of the upstream communities as much as possible. Because we as a project care about making the widest impact as possible. What is good for Fedora is generally good for other distributions which are relying on the same technology codebases.. and as a project we strive to have our contributors working inside of upstream project communities so the Fedora the distribution is a consumer of the results of balanced best effort decision-making. So when someone in our community sees a problem with technical decisions that upstream is doing, we expect them to make a best effort to communicate their arguments to upstream before making a case to deviate from upstream decisions in the Fedora distribution specifically. When individuals don't make that best effort to have the discourse as part of the upstream project, then they are debasing Fedora project and its mission to be a conduit for upstream development. In the specific cases of cross-distro compatibility concerning yum behavior that you have brought up. Your logic is fundamentally flawed. Fedora specific changes which deviate from yum's upstream behavior will not guarantee cross distro compatibility...because no distro..not even RHEL is compelled to take fedora specific patches. If we continue to assume that you are being honest, and you actual care about cross-distro compatibility for yum.. then at some point I will be forced to moderate your access to this list in an effort to act in your best interest so that you'll move your discussion to the upstream yum channels so that cross-distro compatibility can be discussed in a way that has a shred of hope of solving your problems long term. That's how much I care about making sure your interests are best served. I know, its tough love, and believe me it will hurt me more than it hurts you to have to do it. -jef"take a hint"spaleta