<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Colin Walters wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:faa16b610810031402q26a06ce6i8f56ffda70480e67@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">2008/10/3 James Antill <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:james.antill@redhat.com"><james.antill@redhat.com></a>: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> So I'm going to assume that we're, again, ignoring a bunch of real Fedora users who use gnome-terminal on the desktop ... for all those 60+ year olds who don't, and are about to be a majority of our users RSN. But I have to ask, is gnome-PackageKit part of the desktop? Assuming so, are you suggesting that gnome-PackageKit override all yum downloads that happen from as soon as a user logs into the desktop? Or maybe that some yum related downloads will happen with the "desktop" proxy settings, and some with the "system" proxy settings? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> I think it would make sense for things like "yum install foo" *when invoked as nonroot* to call pkcon to accomplish the task. </pre> </blockquote> Hmmm. 1. yum-cli -> yum-api -> pk-con -> pk -> DBUS -> pk-backend -> yum-backend -> yum-api -> install the package compare to 2. yum-cli -> yum-api -> install the package here is kind og chicken and egg problem here. take this user case. ssh to some server yum install foo how would that work. Dont forget that PackageKit is a highlevel abstraction to the low level package management system, making the low level system use the highlevel abstraction of it self, is kind of crazy. IMHO. Tim </body> </html>