<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Dan Nicholson wrote: <blockquote cite="mid91705d080903280617k1987bfbaj4b13b39594df4a1f@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Arthur Pemberton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pemboa@gmail.com"><pemboa@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-September/038786.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-September/038786.html</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> The poll was meaningless; that thread just captures people's sentiments. When the patch was committed, it was because the X developers had been talking about it for a long time as being the right thing to do. </pre> </blockquote> The X developers had been talking about without ANY community input. That makes for very bad decisions. They didn't even realize that people expect the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to be available to them as it has for decades. What is left unsaid is that there a lot of emacs users in Xorg. Despite the fact that they sign as "a vim user", they're all vim users but mostly emacs users, and that's not the same as signing "not an emacs user". I've opened a thread on xorg-devel and have been getting nothing but ridiculous arguments in response. Mostly like, "well *I* accidentally killed my X server while I was typing". Total nonsense. This is all about a tiny minority of Emacs users, mostly inside Xorg itself introducing a change that has a large to impact to the overall Xorg community and all for the benefit of just the tiny Emacs community. That completely wrong and is bad stewardship. Fedora needs to see this change for what it really is and reject it. We need to continue the historical default behavior for Ctrl-Alt-Backspace that users and sysadmins have counted on for decades without organizations and users needing to install special setups in xorg.conf which is a completely unnecessary bother and a waste of time and resources. Regards, Gerry </body> </html>