<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> François Cami wrote: <blockquote cite="mid20090329201223.3f68f9c8@fedoraproject.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:05:39 -0400 Gerry Reno <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:greno@verizon.net"><greno@verizon.net></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">John5342 wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I actually agree that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace should stay around but also respect that it is ultimately up to upstream to decide but here is a wacky solution that might just work. How about having a small package that automatically enables Ctrl-Alt-Backspace when installed (call it "ctrl-alt-backspace" for arguments sake). Sysadmins or people who just want it enabled can easily install it and even make it part of kickstart file for larger installations. Emacs users or anybody else who might accidentally hit that combo by accident can simply leave it uninstalled. Then we can all be happy and get on with more interesting arguments such as how quickly would i go blind if i just keep staring at the bottom of my mouse? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">NO! This means a lot of work for sysadmins around the world that is totally unnecessary. There is nothing wrong with the current Ctrl-Alt-Backspace default of enabled. Nothing. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Yes there is. A shortcut, enabled by default, that kills all of the user's applications without a confirmation popup has no place on a desktop OS. </pre> </blockquote> Using that logic we need to ban the power switch, the reset swtich, modular power cords that can be pulled out. And while we're at it, the 'kill -9', 'rm -rf', the 'shutdown', and a host of others. If you're worried aboaut users applications then those applications need to be designed to protect users data with auto-recovery saves and saves on signals as many of them are now starting to do. <blockquote cite="mid20090329201223.3f68f9c8@fedoraproject.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Now, what is wrong about having to write a three line xorg.conf ? If you have a lot of OSes to manage, I suppose you already have a central management system in place, so that's mostly painless... </pre> </blockquote> Again, that's not the point. Of course any sysadmin can write a xorg.conf and a kickstart file. Why should an entire world of users have to lose functionality because one small community wants a chance that favors only them. Nobody who is not using Emacs just "accidentally hits Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. It doesn't happen. And finally, this whole change has been done without ANY community involvement, and that include Ubuntu users who are now posting angrily in the Ubuntu forums about this change. Regards, Gerry </body> </html>