i've just read <a href="http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof">http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof</a> he got a pretty good idea, see the 2nd last paragraph: """ I may know that <a href="http://amarok.kde.org/">Amarok</a>, <a href="http://banshee-project.org/">Banshee</a>, <a href="http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox">Rhythmbox</a>, and <a href="http://getsongbird.com/">Songbird</a> are all noteworthy Linux music players, but come on! Does anyone beside another Linux expert know that? Letting users choose a program by say clicking on "music player" and then picking one makes all the sense in the world. """ The idea is that newbies are likely have no idea what amarok,rhythmbox are, so does other applications Totem, abiword, Brasero..etc. what they know are the general type of the software --- Music player, movie player, office suite, CD/DVD burner... Also i tried to search for "music player" in Add/Remove Software, interestingly, it gives extremely odd and pointless result..(try that yourself) So i can see why newbies are pull their hair off and *CAN"T GET THINGS DONE*, and claim *fedora sucks* See this fact, i think that we should classify some applications under their type. For instance, have Rhythmbox, amarok ..etc under "Music Player" The above is just a suggestion, hoping to help brain storming more better approaches. But i think that the idea is kinda a must for Windows and Mac OS X users to get comfort with Linux/fedora. Cheers. -- - Nelson Chan