From stuart at elsn.org Tue Apr 4 21:45:19 2006
From: stuart at elsn.org (Stuart Ellis)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:45:19 +0100
Subject: IRC Log FDSCo Meeting 4th April 2006
Message-ID: <1144187119.2651.1.camel@Vigor11>
(21:09:07) quaid:
(21:09:11) quaid: yeah, I've been talking
(21:09:12) stickster: :-)
(21:09:28) ***quaid is on the phone a little bit
(21:13:30) quaid: let's see ... where were we from last week?
(21:14:17) EvilBob: last week was there a meeting?
(21:14:31) stickster: yup
(21:14:49) EvilBob: oh the week before was canceled
(21:15:11) stickster: yup
(21:16:05) quaid: stickster: is it worth rolling down the list or do we
have something in particular on the table
(21:16:29) stickster: Hang on... just got back from an errand and need
to call up last week's notes :-)
(21:16:43) ***stickster does not like the sound his ThinkPad fan is
making
(21:18:06) stickster: Hmm, no summary available apparently
(21:18:33) stickster: megacoder was going to get with nman64 about the
webtest.f.r.c problems
(21:18:57) stickster: ghenry was going to get with one of the new guys,
Lance, about checking the contributor list
(21:19:23) elliss: stickster: A summary went to the list.
(21:19:35) stickster: OK, I must have deleted it locally then
(21:19:58) stickster: I had my finger on that key a lot with the whole
"future" thread on f-devel-l :-)
(21:20:07) elliss: The meetings page will have a link.
(21:20:14) stickster: OH yeah!
(21:20:21) stickster: thanks for the reminder
(21:20:58) stickster: OK, that pretty much did it.
(21:21:22) stickster: I tried to work on packaging some but last week
was very busy for me IRL
(21:24:28) stickster: Is everyone burned out here or what?
(21:24:48) stickster: :-D
(21:26:26) quaid: yep :D
(21:27:09) stickster: All right, this is just silly. Let's call it and
reconvene next week. There are plenty of things hopping that we can work
on in the meantime. I am getting ready for travel to FUDCon tomorrow,
and I know quaid is too
(21:27:55) stickster: elliss: What would you say is the next action for
(1) IG and (2) Yum Tutorial? Publication ready? Needs a round of
editing?
(21:28:23) stickster: I will try and take care of either pronto... I am
a little off track from having too many pots boiling IRL
(21:28:28) elliss: Feel free to sanity check them.
(21:28:34) quaid: ok
(21:28:37) stickster: I suspect if anything is needed it's trivial
(21:28:41) elliss: They're ready to go
(21:28:45) stickster: You're awesome :-)
(21:28:48) elliss: I'm moving house
(21:28:53) stickster: And you're moving
(21:29:01) elliss: Haven't had time to look at Web publish
(21:29:10) elliss: To do it myself
(21:29:17) stickster: OK
(21:29:22) quaid: add stuff to fp.org/wiki/Docs
(21:29:23) quaid: btw
(21:29:45) stickster: Was that ideas and such?
(21:29:55) stickster: Or also gathering other stuff we find on the wiki?
(21:29:58) ***stickster looks back in mail...
(21:30:19) stickster: Gotcha
(21:31:01) EvilBob: release notes errata?
(21:31:19) ***stickster praises EvilBob for speaking up
(21:31:53) EvilBob: sorry I am sick as a dog
(21:32:10) EvilBob: I can't swallow anything
(21:32:20) stickster: Yeesh
(21:32:33) EvilBob: so I have done nothing to get read for that
(21:32:38) EvilBob: ready
(21:32:52) EvilBob: what should/can be done?
(21:33:35) stickster: First we need a dump to CVS, yes quaid ?
(21:33:42) stickster: *shudder*
(21:34:30) EvilBob: do we call the current wiki "good enough" and sift
through the bugs and emails for a future errata release?
(21:35:36) elliss: Is there anything serious that requires a quick
update, or could it wait until after FUDCon.
(21:35:41) elliss: ?
(21:35:55) stickster: I think quaid wanted to work on it on the plane
from CA to Boston
(21:36:04) EvilBob: stickster: correct
(21:36:26) stickster: EvilBob: I only see 6 bugs open in our time frame
we're worried about
(21:36:43) EvilBob: stickster: ok that should be easy enough
(21:37:09) stickster: At the BZ front page, just enter "release-notes"
in the search field, that should give you the whole list... I'm looking
at the 6 bugs that are > 180000
(21:37:33) ***stickster is worried that ID's are meaningful to him. Time
to have neon "G" on forehead gold-plated
(21:40:05) stickster: EvilBob: Just fixed a bug :-)
(21:40:13) elliss: I don't think we can action 187080
(21:40:36) elliss: Without confirmation from someone who actual has
access to this hardware
(21:40:50) stickster: I asked Paul N. for this, but I don't think he's
put anything in.
(21:41:01) stickster: So yes, you're 100% correct
(21:41:57) elliss: 185788 I'm struggling to follow
(21:42:09) elliss: PostgreSQL update instructions
(21:42:21) elliss: Lots of words here
(21:42:44) stickster: I think it's kind of a red herring. We're saying,
before you update, go to postgresql.org and read the instructions there.
(Those instructions include backing up.)
(21:42:53) EvilBob: i do not know why that was repoened
(21:43:01) stickster: The reporter wants us to put the instructions
"back up first" in the text.
(21:43:21) stickster: I don't see a point. We are telling people, GO
READ THE EXPERTS' DOCS before you do this.
(21:43:31) stickster: I don't understand the need to gild the lily.
(21:43:45) elliss: Because people don't read manuals
(21:43:59) elliss: Even DBAs, who should know better
(21:44:01) stickster: People who depend on their databases do. Ask any
Oracle guy :-)
(21:44:06) EvilBob: this is old
(21:44:09) EvilBob:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=180570
(21:44:16) stickster: I guess we know different DBAs! :-D
(21:44:41) elliss: Different scales of DBA, probably
(21:44:41) EvilBob: Version of release notes this bug refers to:
(21:44:41) EvilBob: Fedora Core 4 final release
(21:44:48) stickster: EvilBob: That's misfiled
(21:44:48) ***quaid reads his buffer between phone calls
(21:44:53) stickster: It shouldn't be a relnotes bug
(21:45:08) elliss: kabooki dance. ?
(21:45:53) elliss: Close with "file bug again if you still have problems
on FC5" ?
(21:45:54) stickster: Hehe
(21:46:02) quaid: 185788 shouldn't have been reopened but I don't know
how to not piss off the reporter at this point.
(21:46:04) stickster: No
(21:46:12) stickster: 180570 is only coming up because of the subject
line
(21:46:21) stickster: It's filed correctly against pilot-link after FDP
intervention
(21:46:32) stickster: I just changed the subject line, should be out of
any related list now
(21:46:52) stickster: quaid: Sorry, I should have taken you off the CC
list at the same time
(21:47:09) quaid:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/TrackingPage
(21:47:17) quaid: for master bug tracking links, btw
(21:48:02) stickster: #186467 now closed too... done on wiki already
(21:48:03) elliss: Very handy.
(21:48:35) elliss: 186251: We have a Wiki document that we could link to
(21:48:53) quaid: I'll take the wiki snapshot before I go to bed
tonight, so it's latest as possible
(21:49:10) stickster: Jeebus, does PostgreSQL ever *NOT* break their own
format?
(21:49:17) stickster: #166916
(21:49:28) elliss: Every major release
(21:49:37) elliss: (Not point releases)
(21:51:06) elliss: "Basically this is something that has to be mentioned
in the release notes every time we update to a new major Postgres
release. "
(21:51:22) EvilBob: lol
(21:51:22) elliss: That's a senior Postgres developer.
(21:51:39) EvilBob: Ok so are we covered?
(21:52:11) stickster: I would think so
(21:52:12) EvilBob: quaid: will take the snap shot and clean up while on
the plane
(21:52:38) EvilBob: then we push to translation with a due date of next
thursday the 14th
(21:53:12) EvilBob: we will then publish the errata on Friday as
promised
(21:53:56) EvilBob: I like the idea of a "fedora-release-notes" package
for FC6, any opinons?
(21:53:58) stickster: OK, we're down to only three open bugs against
current relnotes specifically: the postgresql one, the CD/DVD burn info,
and the ppc64 stuff
(21:55:05) stickster: EvilBob: Someone's going to have to design a
package-building Makefile then
(21:55:31) EvilBob: stickster: I suppose that would be true
(21:56:06) Sonar_Gal [n=aglaser at ip70-174-58-25.hr.hr.cox.net] entered
the room.
(21:56:07) elliss: stickster:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/BurningDiscs
(21:56:14) stickster: EvilBob: Hang on... on second thought...
(21:56:43) stickster: elliss: Yeah, I've edited that myself just
recently :-)
(21:56:46) EvilBob: stickster: I know little in this area, is it worth
it to have an update to the release-notes on the users system?
(21:56:51) stickster: elliss: But it needs info for Linux users too
(21:56:57) stickster: (at least, to address the bug)
(21:57:10) elliss: I can add text for GNOME
(21:57:24) elliss: I'm out of touch with KDE
(21:57:31) stickster: elliss: Maybe you can get nman64 to do something
for KDE, I know he uses it
(21:57:59) EvilBob: hell add text how to to it from the CLI and call it
good
(21:58:14) stickster: EvilBob: I'm wrong, we may be able to use existing
build system... relevant: "MAY" :-)
(21:58:24) elliss: EvilBob: That's a harder problem
(21:58:25) EvilBob: stickster: sure
(21:58:46) elliss: Device names aren't guaranteed to be consistent
(21:58:53) EvilBob: stickster: FC6 is far enough out I am not worried
about logistics yet
(21:58:53) stickster: If we use existing build stuff, then we make it
"fedora-doc-release-notes" and it can Requires: fedora-doc-common
(21:59:04) stickster: It'll be here before we know it ;-D
(21:59:30) EvilBob: stickster: I was looking for opinions in general for
the idea
(21:59:36) stickster: elliss: Exactly... and I would bet that people who
are using CLI to burn CDs don't need the instructions
(21:59:51) stickster: My opinion is, "sure" :-D
(22:00:02) stickster: We just need to coordinate with Jeremy
(22:00:35) EvilBob: this actually came from a question when I did my FC5
Intro to my Lug
(22:01:55) elliss: What was the question asked ?
(22:02:44) rajesh left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.).
(22:02:45) EvilBob: why are the release notes not updated
(22:03:07) stickster: To which you answered...?
(22:03:07) rranjan [n=rranjan at 202.41.228.162] entered the room.
(22:03:21) elliss: Ah. I think that many people don't look at the Web
site
(22:03:43) elliss: (fedora.redhat.com)
(22:04:02) stickster: Well, we've made it easier to find the updates...
this time around, the link to the updates is at the very top of the
release notes in a yellow box :-D
(22:04:38) elliss: We need to bring back those que cards that used to
appear during the installation
(22:04:41) Sopwith left the room (quit: "Leaving").
(22:04:49) elliss: "Read our Web site"
(22:04:51) stickster: I think the Marketing people are working on that
(22:04:54) elliss: "Please"
(22:05:16) stickster: They are supposed to come to us for editing
assistance when they have something figured out
(22:05:44) elliss: Cool. I really liked the older Red Hat ones
(22:05:58) stickster: Me too
(22:05:58) elliss: "Red Hat Linux: network duct tape"
(22:06:14) stickster: Is it my imagination, did FC1 and/or FC2 have
them?
(22:06:22) elliss: Yes...
(22:06:36) elliss: The last one just had one card
(22:06:37) stickster: It would be a lot easier for people to produce
them if the SVG's for the art were freed
(22:06:44) stickster: In the meantime we can use Tango art, I suppose
(22:07:13) stickster: Anyway, I'm going OT, sorry
(22:07:13) StillBob: Sorry phone call
(22:07:52) StillBob: My answer was "I don't know, the website is our
place for errata now"
(22:08:09) stickster: StillBob: Always has been, ever since RHL actually
(22:08:16) StillBob: Yup
(22:09:04) StillBob: If it not a big project to push updates, I say lets
go for it, ,if it is a lot more work then we will keep doing things as
we have in the past
(22:09:26) StillBob: as the EiC that is my possition
(22:09:29) StillBob: LOL
(22:09:53) stickster: With the much smaller number of bugs this time
compared to FC4, I would say we may not have to do another errata after
this
(22:09:53) elliss: It's really the fedora-release package maintainer's
call, I think
(22:10:28) stickster: Right... plus there is an added wrinkle; if we use
the existing build system for relnotes, that implies that
fedora-doc-common has to be in Core as well
(22:10:34) stickster: You can't have something in Core depending on
something in Extras
(22:10:50) elliss: That scuppers it then
(22:10:58) elliss: Can't fool around with Core now
(22:11:04) stickster: Well sure, for FC5
(22:11:09) EvilBob: elliss: jkatz sounded interested in the idea
(22:11:10) stickster: We're talking about FC6 at this point anyway
(22:11:27) elliss: Ah.
(22:11:55) elliss: Context switch
(22:11:58) EvilBob: planning for the future
(22:11:59) stickster: heh
(22:12:01) elliss: Didn't folllow
(22:12:11) stickster: We're contextual butterflies
(22:12:16) EvilBob: sorry about that
(22:12:30) EvilBob: FC5 is what it is
(22:12:38) EvilBob: FC6 will be better IMO
(22:12:47) EvilBob: I hope
(22:12:52) stickster: All right, if there's nothing further, I need to
go help my daughter get on FC5 downstairs so she can play
(22:12:52) elliss: It will be godlike
(22:12:56) elliss: :)
(22:13:13) EvilBob: ?
(22:13:53) stickster: FC5 is awesome IMHO, so FC6 will be the dog's
bollocks
(22:14:08) stickster: quaid: What do you say, sir?
(22:14:14) quaid: aye
(22:14:16) quaid:
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From stuart at elsn.org Tue Apr 11 22:18:40 2006
From: stuart at elsn.org (Stuart Ellis)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:18:40 +0100
Subject: IRC Log FDSCo Meeting 11th April 2006
Message-ID: <1144793920.7433.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
(21:06:24) quaid:
(21:08:11) quaid:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/FedoraDocsSchedule
(21:08:13) quaid: for reference
(21:08:35) quaid: maybe we can have a FUDCon et al Q &A at the end to be
sure gavin gets a chance to hear in
(21:08:40) quaid: megacoder has an away sign, too
(21:09:04) elliss_athome: Do we have a quorum, then ?
(21:09:26) stickster: tcf_home: Are you available?
(21:09:57) stickster: (we have 3 of the 5 active FDSCo here...)
(21:10:15) stickster: Besides, ghenry counts
(21:10:19) stickster: that's 4 :-)
(21:10:37) elliss_athome: That'll do, then :)
(21:11:14) quaid: aye
(21:11:28) quaid: irc is great because you can walk away and still be
"attending"
(21:11:45) ignacio [n=ivazquez at fedora/ignacio] entered the room.
(21:11:48) quaid: so, we need to hear if megacoder has had any luck with
the DocsRawhide
(21:11:56) stickster: I talked to him earlier... not yet
(21:12:02) quaid: ok
(21:12:06) stickster: He is still working on getting access straightened
out with nman64
(21:12:15) quaid: or elliot?
(21:12:21) stickster: Maybe both
(21:12:25) stickster: (or either)
(21:12:26) quaid: ok
(21:12:30) stickster: But it's in process
(21:12:36) quaid: cool
(21:12:57) nman64: Actually, he's got the access now.
(21:13:15) quaid: so about packaging, it was way cool to see the About
Fedora in FC5
(21:13:52) stickster: I think mclasen did that... I love pushing it 'cos
I transcribed the text
(21:14:16) stickster: I submitted the XML and either he or rstrode, or
someone on the Desktop team, fixed the menu part that I couldn't get
right
(21:15:19) quaid: cool
(21:15:31) stickster: I still don't know how they did it :-|
(21:15:34) quaid: :(
(21:15:43) ***stickster hasn't quite got the hang of fd.o menuing
(21:16:05) quaid: stickster: do you think it's time for you to pull in
an assistant for docs packaging?
(21:16:13) stickster: Actually, I have it working again
(21:16:16) quaid: that is, do you want to start to hand off any of that
yet
(21:16:17) stickster: I am finishing the commits right now
(21:16:18) quaid: :D
(21:16:29) quaid: I want to make sure you plate is re-balanced
(21:16:39) quaid: "you plate, you plate!"
(21:17:06) stickster: When you fix these things, you find that you make
a *whole lotta* changes that you need to go back and revisit one by one
to see what you changed, why, and whether it should be checked in
separately for sanity
(21:19:03) stickster: You should see commits flying to the list over the
next few minutes :-)
(21:19:20) quaid: cool
(21:19:40) quaid: ok, about wiki2xml ...
(21:20:15) quaid: patrick and I tweaked the xmlbeats script enough to do
more by itself
(21:20:24) quaid: with a little more smarts built into it, we can almost
make it automated.
(21:20:28) quaid: the only catches are the admonitions
(21:20:41) ***ghenry covered in sick :-( Ben didn't like his bottle. May
be a while longer.
(21:20:49) quaid: po' Ben
(21:21:39) quaid: anyway, I think we need to convene a group outside of
this one and see where to progress
(21:22:06) stickster: We should probably be thinking ahead to Plone as
well, which will be the CMS uebersite at some point
(21:22:06) quaid: if mspevack or someone comes up with developer
resources, we can code a good solution and maybe present the world with
a sane Wiki front-end to DocBook
(21:22:20) stickster: Maybe there's a plugin for this... dunno
(21:22:23) quaid: right, but I assume it handles build/rendered docs
(21:22:28) quaid: ok, worth checking
(21:22:50) elliss_athome: There's Silva, but I don't think it does
DocBook as such
(21:22:59) quaid: Bob-Laptop: can you take charge of wrangling a meeting
with you, me, nman64, and anyone else to see where to go next?
(21:24:48) stickster: or EvilBob, BobJensen :-)
(21:25:03) ***stickster envisions multiple klaxon bells going off at
Bob's place
(21:25:37) quaid: ok, we can finish with that item in that I want to
take the work out of this meeting, and bob is leading as the EiC
(21:26:18) quaid: anything else on that one?
(21:28:24) quaid: ok
(21:28:30) quaid: on to the trans process
(21:28:45) quaid: Sopwith: ping
(21:29:00) quaid: we need to talk about moving trans CVS from elvis ->
cvs.fedora
(21:29:19) quaid: I think Fedora Trans is going to have to rely upon
Fedora Infrastructure to make that happen
(21:29:21) quaid: there are two parts;l
(21:29:22) quaid: :
(21:29:25) Sopwith: quaid: What's up
(21:29:27) quaid: 1. CVS itself
(21:29:33) quaid: Sopwith: fedora trans cvs :)
(21:29:35) quaid: and
(21:29:43) quaid: 2. the cgi-bin webapp at i18n.redhat.com
(21:29:53) quaid: for scheduling/locking strings for trans
(21:30:17) quaid: Sopwith: I don't know if Fedora Trans has contacted
you about this?
(21:30:20) Sopwith: The webapp has been the sticking point. If you will
persuade the right people to open that code up, I think I have a
volunteer who'd like to work on it.
(21:30:28) Sopwith: I've gone in a few circles with bgroh about it.
(21:30:54) Sopwith: The webapp also takes care of maintaining the
account DB, and that needs to be migrated to the Fedora Account System.
(21:31:21) Sopwith: It's just a ball of wax that hasn't been screaming
for my attention, so I've gotten away with ignoring it for a while. It
needs someone (else) who will push it forward.
(21:31:59) quaid: ok
(21:32:09) ***quaid sends email on the subject
(21:32:56) Sopwith: Getting pgampe and other right people to OK opening
it up seems like the most immediate task. bgroh wanted me to write up a
long proposal about it, but I got kind of put off by the idea of having
to propose open-sourcing our software.
(21:33:10) quaid: no doubt
(21:33:30) quaid: Sopwith: would you say that without open sourcing it,
there is 0% chance of it migrating?
(21:33:35) ***stickster tilts head like RCA dog
(21:33:55) quaid: or 0% chance of Fedora Infrastructure helping?
(21:34:05) Sopwith: 0% chance of Fedora Infrastructure helping...
(21:34:27) quaid: cool
(21:34:32) quaid: well, wait
(21:34:42) quaid: would FI have a piece of non-FOSS code on cvs.fedora?
(21:34:49) Sopwith: (Not 0%, just that without open source, I'm the only
one that can really do much, and frankly it's low on my personal TODO
list)
(21:35:11) Sopwith: Well, practically speaking it's not even worth
arguing about the license on this small piece of software
(21:35:23) Sopwith: So putting it on cvs.fedora would effectively open
source it
(21:35:28) quaid: ok
(21:35:50) Sopwith: But from a political perspective, I get the feeling
we need to get someone to make the decision.
(21:35:59) quaid: I'll start with mhideo
(21:36:32) Sopwith: coo
(21:36:33) Sopwith: l
(21:37:29) quaid: ok, I'll send that in a few minutes, I'll Cc: you for
input if asked
(21:37:31) quaid: thanks
(21:37:42) quaid: ok, about FOP et al
(21:38:22) quaid: I've been in contact with the GNU Classpath maintainer
and he is interested in starting a testing project with them, and I'm
going to launch it as part of devnation.redhat.com
(21:38:52) quaid: the classpath people are always steps ahead of the
packagers, and need to get some collaboration with packagers so stuff
works more smoothly.
(21:39:27) quaid: so, we'll use this collaborative space to help us
collaborate with FDP, Fedora Extras, and GNU Classpath folks, and start
with FOP first.
(21:39:30) quaid: does that make sense?
(21:39:56) elliss_athome: Yes.
(21:40:13) quaid: yay!
(21:40:18) ***quaid made sense today
(21:40:25) elliss_athome: I presume that you can give CollabNet access
to whoever needs it
(21:40:32) [splinux] [n=splinux at fedora/splinux] entered the room.
(21:40:33) quaid: yep
(21:40:43) [splinux]: re
(21:40:48) quaid: yo
(21:41:03) elliss_athome: Do we have to worry about CLA etc. for
non-Fedora folks?
(21:41:14) quaid: I'm working on that for devnation.r.c, yes
(21:41:24) quaid: we'll have something in place that works
(21:41:44) quaid: interestingly, the click-through CLA sounds OK as of
the lawyer I talked with this morning, so I hope to make it easier.
(21:41:57) [splinux]: re quaid, fedoraplanet is now avalaible in a lot
of languages
(21:42:17) quaid: I'll make more noise about FOP when we are closer to
being ready
(21:42:26) quaid: [splinux]: pretty cool, eh?
(21:43:14) ***quaid cheers because that oversized hackergotchi was fixed
(21:43:21) quaid: ok, and .. Doc Guide
(21:43:22) [splinux]: quaid, ...a new step for fedora
(21:43:24) quaid: *ouch*
(21:43:44) ***quaid hopes to publish eitch's Fedora Guide in original
pt_BR as well
(21:43:52) quaid: [splinux]: yes, first of many
(21:44:24) elliss_athome: Fedora Guide?
(21:44:27) quaid: stickster: I get the feeling that the "just do it
ourselves" approach might hurt this time
(21:44:33) stickster: quaid: Me too
(21:45:08) stickster: I thought I had sent you an outline of possible
organization... had you given that any thought?
(21:45:09) quaid: elliss_athome: I've only see it in pt_BR, naturally it
needs an editor, etc., but it's a generic introduction to Fedora iirc
(21:45:24) quaid: stickster: probably did, back then
(21:45:25) ***quaid looks
(21:46:02) quaid: right
(21:46:14) quaid: stickster: I think the only thing I'd add is Wiki
under Tools
(21:46:23) stickster: OK
(21:46:26) ghenry: Made it
(21:46:34) ghenry: that was gross. Nuff said.
(21:46:39) stickster: ghenry: :-D
(21:47:09) stickster: quaid: I am going to do this then:
(21:47:14) stickster: 1. Float outline by list
(21:47:43) stickster: 2. When outline is hammered out, branch
documentation-guide
(21:47:54) stickster: 3. Get rid of old stuff in HEAD
(21:47:57) stickster: 4. Check in skeleton
(21:48:06) stickster: 5. Open wiki for drafting
(21:48:19) stickster: As the wiki gets completed we can check stuff into
CVS and *remove* it from the wiki
(21:48:24) quaid: making stub/skeleton pages?
(21:48:27) quaid: ah, ok
(21:48:47) stickster: We could also mark the pages in some fashion
directing people to cvs.fedora.redhat.com if need be
(21:49:01) stickster: s/mark the/mark the completed/
(21:49:22) stickster: Then everyone can pitch in, methinks
(21:49:31) stickster: How does that sound?
(21:50:32) elliss_athome: Q: Are you basically starting from clean ?
(21:50:40) stickster: Yup
(21:50:45) elliss_athome: OK.
(21:50:55) stickster: The old one is so out of date it didn't make a lot
of sense to try and hammer it into the new shape
(21:51:20) elliss_athome: Don't need to worry about importing text to
Wiki then :)
(21:51:36) stickster: disco
(21:54:07) quaid: brb, restarting xchat
(21:54:10) quaid left the room (quit: "G.T.F.O.O.D.").
(21:54:47) quaid [n=quaid at fedora/quaid] entered the room.
(21:56:09) quaid: back
(21:56:24) quaid: stickster: ok, that's a good plan
(21:56:40) stickster: Oh god, you got back just in time! When you
disappeared, everyone started EATING BRANES!!!
(21:57:05) stickster: I had to kill seven of Bob's extra aliases with a
stake to the head
(21:57:21) quaid: *whew*
(21:57:38) quaid: now we can talk about last week, if anyone in FDSCo or
the channel has questions of me or stickster
(21:58:23) elliss_athome: Is there a movie/transcript of your talk?
(21:58:40) elliss_athome: Been offline for a few days
(21:58:42) stickster: Thankfully, no
(21:58:42) Sopwith left the room (quit: "Leaving").
(21:58:44) stickster: :-D
(21:59:05) quaid: yep, they ran off to see Jeremy do his FC6 Dance
(21:59:06) elliss_athome: All evidence destroyed :) ?
(21:59:09) quaid: which I want to see :)
(21:59:22) quaid: yeah, our talk was small, but I'm thinking in general.
(21:59:24) stickster: We had an interesting talk about marketing for
about 25 minutes in the middle, though, that I hope the principals will
bring to f-marketing-l
(21:59:30) quaid: I mean, about the foundation news, new board, etc.
(21:59:34) quaid: yep
(22:00:53) stickster: I think next FUDCon, we should hand out free
condoms at our talk
(22:01:05) stickster: Maybe we can get them logo'd :_D
(22:02:39) quaid: "Here's your little blue hat."
(22:02:45) stickster: HA!!!
(22:02:50) quaid: *wink wing*
(22:03:31) EvilBob: Hi Guys
(22:03:36) EvilBob: Just walked in
(22:03:43) ***stickster will wait till after meeting for the rest of
this OT
(22:03:46) EvilBob: I see all my machiens flashing
(22:03:48) quaid: EvilBob: I'll recap at why we said you rname
(22:04:11) quaid: EvilBob: just asked if you could convene a meeting
with you, me, Patrick, others about the wiki2xml or whatever for the
Beats
(22:04:28) quaid: we might want to ask the Board for resources to code
up a better world from Moin Moin
(22:04:29) BobJensen: Ok When should we target that?
(22:04:39) quaid: sooner we start ...
(22:04:54) quaid: I put up the end of this month as a time to have a
plan by
(22:05:37) BobJensen: OK Let me craft and email and get it sent out,
Bob, Karsten. Patrick, Elliot, Tommy, Paul .... anyone else?
(22:05:51) quaid: that's probably enough
(22:06:04) quaid: we can even have it as part of our FDSCo meeting next
week
(22:06:15) quaid: since we know most/all of us are available at that
time.
(22:06:32) BobJensen: OK I will get that out here shortly, what is the
status for the R-N Errata?
(22:06:59) BobJensen: Or is that on hold for right now?
(22:07:04) quaid: no, just slowed on me
(22:07:11) quaid: I committed about 40% of it, just a few more hours to
go
(22:07:25) quaid: it's pretty straightforward from here, if anyone has
time to pick i tup
(22:07:40) BobJensen: Can we Publish EN, and then publish the
translations as they are available?
(22:07:41) ***quaid makes sure he put the to-do-fc5-errata in
release-notes/xmlbeats
(22:07:46) quaid: yes
(22:08:01) BobJensen: OK I think that will make mether happy
(22:08:06) BobJensen: and me also
(22:08:45) BobJensen: quaid: so if we can publish the EN by Friday I am
OK with that
(22:09:00) BobJensen: we will get the others as available
(22:10:26) BobJensen: I will get an updated email about that sent also
today
(22:10:33) quaid: ok
(22:11:01) BobJensen: anything more?
(22:12:04) quaid: nope
(22:12:06) quaid:
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