From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 8 21:20:38 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:20:38 -0700 Subject: FDSCo meeting 08 Aug 2006 IRC log Message-ID: <1155072038.2835.70.camel@erato.phig.org> minutes-lite coming to f-docs-l in about a minit: we on for 10 then? * quaid is chewing lunch stickster: all right, we fixed the chip and decided to skip the crown work for the day :) quaid: neato Ready for a kickass meeting then? you bet WOOHOO! let's see who is here me, stickster Eitch: ? ghenry: ? * EvilBob waves ghenry I saw ok, that's good Sweet, I may have missed him while my wlan was giving me fits here :-) That's quorum, let's goferit so, i didn't get that agenda finished but instead will go and open the task schedule and ready for a big edit to make it less scary one thing in the wind for short term is the web-only relnotes *nod Shall we start then? yeah booya oh, I thought we were started :) heh Stickler for routine uh, actually, you are in a nested meeting now but I won't be a stickler Oh darn it I missed it, sorry You take a nap for one minute around here.... ok, here's what I think is up in the world, tel lme what I missed: 0. web relnotes 1. status on fp.o/wiki and other docbook wiki stuff 2. any news on the cms front? 3. improvements for trans process 4. packaging fun 5. anyone know what is up with gnu classpath and gcj and all that? 6. AOB I would suggest axing #2 -- I believe there is no news there to be had yet ok <-- couf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) did test2 go out? Yup, torrents already flying I got a copy just for the fun of it, anyone have some time to work on that after we meet? And served out several gigs too :-) --- coufer is now known as couf EvilBob perhaps? I can Yeah, Bob! w00t I I'm here too 'packaging fun' ? just a status check, see if there is anything we need to do oh this is an agenda? we didn't get the FAQ resolved for example aye yup right-o * quaid is super ad-hoc these days * f13 is in middle of Rel-eng summit and is a bit brain mushy It's a new you, I like it I will be available f13: lay off the sauce mmm sauce To reiterate earlier feelings: FAQ in a package seems like overkill to me, but if we do package it, let's do it separately from relnotes uh, just to go in order and complete in one line Or, if we do, it needs to live in the same PO. Nuff said. Oh, whoops we have the latest version of the MoinMoin running on a test server, thanks mmcgrath++, and we're waiting for some pointers from mvirkkil about when we should do another update against CVS. this was good, we've learned what packages are needed to be on the machine, I think this supports our efforts to quickly update the main Wiki when the DocBook code is finished. this would fix any number of other things and might cause us to do ... well, I dunno, other stuff. Cool something to think about. Is this going to be part of mainline MM, or an add-on of some sort? Any coordination needed with FE, or a maintainer? (I know that mvirkkil is working with upstream, I mean Fedora specifically) mainline So it might be good to communicate any new requirements to the FE maintainer of the moin package? the FE packager would just grab the latest from CVS, but we should give them the heads up. uh, yeah :) right Looks like Matthias Saou how do we check who the maintainer in? --> kanarip (i=kanarip at fedora/kanarip) has joined #fedora-docs ojk Ooo, look how connected I am, it's *scary* :-D what is matthias' nick? * stickster sits down in back of bus after quaid yells at him Oh man, what is this, stump stickster day? dern it :-) Honestly, can't remember... might be matthias thais there ya go, f13 always has the answers we can ask mmcgrath to make it part of the process for updating the server, that's really FI's loop anyway * quaid goes to add that to the ticket I think its thias, I could be wrong. he doesn't irc much I think you're right and again, right ok, on to packaging or back to ... so, let's solve this FAQ thing Heh Let's I'm curious about EvilBob's opinion one question is, does it present harm to the user to have the FAQ (outdated) on disk? I suppose combing through the history on the wiki page would tell us the rate of churn and how that's affected the content with a HUGE caveat at the top ... or even in the title -- Fedora OnDisk FAQ (Outdated by the time you read it) Actually it looks like very low churn over at least the past 3 4 months s/3 4/4 grrrr s/3 4/4/ yeah If the FAQ content does not change that fast I would not think it would matter the point is, we want to get people to the online version, anyway that is a doorway to more stuff, where the local is not but a prominent header should do that. the problem is most FAQ chages come post-release int he first 30-45 days true but if it's a package, we can update it ... although again, a pristine install does not have that If we get a FDSCo majority -- ghenry? -- to buy into this, I'd be into packaging it -- again, either (1) a separate package from fedora-release-notes, or (2) integrated into the f-r-n PO from that point it would be rather static until the next release stickster: trans requsted separate PO, and I see why :) Big, right? sperate sounds good stickster: could it be one package but separate PO? I would think a stand-alone item would be better another question ... does fedora-faq belong in Core? quaid: Maybe that would be easy if we had more tool guruship around here, but since I've been doing that work, I don't want to risk the timeline at this point by trying to jackhammer too much stuff in So my vote is +1 separate package + k +1 also I'm happy with that, easier to update <-- [splinux] has quit ("Ex-Chat") but can we get it into Core? does it belong there? *cough* f13 *cough* If it's possible, we can make it available from the default Web browser -- f13 and I can surely figure out how -- and we can make fedora-release-notes depend on fedora-faq then Actually, make that fedora-release-faq for good measure related question, do we want to get a new splash page and put the relnotes a layer deeper? ok, f-r-faq We do but we are running out of time to get all this put together properly... I would say hold off on that until FC7 when there is more of an overall appearance push That way we can take advantage of the Art Project's advancements ok Am I being a wuss? what we've kludged together works no you are being smart this is between final tests anyway I mean, we could "just do it" Did you just say I was a wuss? :-D but none of us are Web designers :0 Heh OK fine well, what do ya'll think? It was a GREAT mockup by glezos though Need to scale it for low-res, but GREAT nonetheless Well I think we can take some ideas and make it happen EvilBob: ....? details? yeah, what dat? * quaid disrecalls Give me a link to the mockup, I should be able to have a template for the end of the week if that is what we need/want I'm just saying if there is somehting out there, why lay low for a release, let see if we can make the move quaid: ping mmcgrath: pong * quaid pictures a little stickster on his right shoulder and a little EvilBob on his left shoulder Do it! Don't do it! LOL --> MrTomLapy (n=mrtom at i05m-87-90-247-108.d4.club-internet.fr) has joined #fedora-Docs "I'm gonna lead you down the path of righteousness." stickster: was glezos markup on f-docs-l? I got your ticket, are you ready to promote the cvs moin to rpm and then into the production wiki? Or are you just looking for a newer test version? "I'm gonna lead you down the path that ROCKS." * quaid goes to dig Not sure, but it's definitely in his wiki area, EvilBob Check there ah, ok http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/SystemHomepage?highlight=% 28glezos%29 <-- Rasther has quit ("Fui embora") Caveats: There's a lot listed in that page that is *definitely* not ready to push out to the community, like the GSG, DUG, and AG But the idea is sound damn, dude, let's recruit glezos to help Oh and dfong has some great new icons Yes, but until something makes them official let's stick with Bluecurve (or whatever standard Fedora is called right now) There is a lot of discussion on fedora-artwork-l about this topic and it would be wrong of us to jump the shark stickster: the blueCurve and beyond stuff is awesome...But I agree Me too, I'm a big dfong fan May I take the lead on this, contact glezos for input and see what we can come up with? ok EvilBob: yeah, can you reply on list too? 26 july message Yup will do that * quaid writes inhis approval, too The good part is, we own /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html now, so if we can do it, we can... uh, do it yay! the little evil guy won Hey wait a minute, that's me stickster: that was my next question Or IS it? Yes? stickster: you never know muahahahaha to make sure we own the page Yup, it's part of the fedora-release-notes package which is now in fc6t2 IIRC it used to be in release-notes, so influencing CSS etc. was harder Hmm... hang is that package where we can commit changes to CVS? or do we have to pass through f13? oh, I mean, i can commit changes :)( Yup, we own fedora.css there * quaid requests f13 to give him ACLs to fedora-release-notes And we can introduce other css as needed oh, you bet We go through f13 as gatekeeper right now, which has not been painful, I hope he agrees yeah, i'm happy to make a parallel path, if he wants, or I can piss off :) quaid: We make changes to the package directly in release-notes/ in Docs CVS, I just alert f13 when it's ready for new push * quaid has committed to release-notes before, fwiw oh, ok that's fine * quaid forgot that, sort of Think of release-notes/devel/ as being the model for what our packaging may become The spec file lives there, we can build a SRPM, alert a Core Cabal member like f13, and he imports the .src.rpm to Core after doing QA and other sanity checks QA == "making sure Paul didn't f*** up again" roger dodger hehehe ok, what is left on agenda ... "trans process", "gcj", "AOB" any other business we should tackle? I have 1 AOB, otherwise nope such as if we want to try a different time for the meeting? I mean, uh, Yeah! ok, let's AOB and push the others off you go No, trans is my AOB now that I think of it :-D ah, good We have one or more translators who can't get a second... I would like to publish their work in good faith for now I know it's going back on our checks & balances idea, but if it's genuinely hurting our ability to i18n-ize stuff.... Case in point, the "nl" translator just spoke to me earlier about this problem Do we have a list of these? He is trying diligently to get more translators involved but is having limited success ok I don't have a list, but if we want to compile one, I'll put him on it and we can let others appeal case-by-case it would help recruiting if we got the stuff up That's what I was thinking -- avoid catch-22 there is a circle there, and being in test mode, we can risk un-QA'd trans maybe we can atleast ask the general community to review I can blog it to the Planet FWIW right, nothing like an incomplete translation in the public to attract help :) quaid too, for that matter ok I know I have a .nl that would review a translation for us yeah? get him/her into the process! stickster: can you go on a publishing spree? cool I have done a little today, but sure, yeah I'll leave you guys to the relnotes unless you need anything from me well, then EvilBob and I can focus on the relnotes for a bit yeah :) i think that's enough for today anything else? Remember that once we have something solid, we can also push a new package to Rawhide ;-) yeah baby! Oh, on gcj, I haven't tried it for ages Tommy's been pretty busy but I can ask him to give it a whirl if he gets a chance FOP is the name of the app, right? Just so I don't make a complete fool of myself Fraternal Order of Publishing quaid I need about 30 minutes to eat and get the family situated * kanarip is .nl hi everyone :) Hi kanarip stickster: I have a .nl on his way to review that translation, see there he is Cool! Next? LOL kanarip: didn't see you're back couf: I guess we have your second :-D Another problem solved by Bob couf, pay attention ;P kanarip: shall do :-p EvilBob -- bringing people together since 2005 quaid: I think that's it then! Best. Meeting. Ever. * f13 missed the entire thing :/ couf: I'll rely on you to get kanarip into the action Or vice versa :-) i'm already into the action\ f13: I told you man, sauce BAD. look at that, needs no push, cool ;-) *pffffff* -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Aug 16 00:27:12 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:27:12 -0700 Subject: FDSCo minutes IRC log 15-Aug-2006 Message-ID: <1155688033.2572.157.camel@erato.phig.org> forgot to send an agenda, so let's make one up! actually, this is what the task schedule is for ... * BobJensen-Away waves * quaid turns on the Paul's FWN podcast :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule so, I'm going to add the two book productions there as well bbia minute... have to attend to a financial thing... someone waiting on me np ok, updated the TaskSchedule with the two guides at the top also rockin', Toshio just got here I'm back... sorry about that. I need to head out to a service call shortly BobJensen-Away: is there anything you want to see addressed first/ ? Not off the top of my head the only thing I want to discuss is getting focused on producing those two guides +1 So I'm going to head up IG revision... may not need to be a large overhaul, as I can see it from installing FC6t2 & Rawhide a few times in the last week or so I figure I may be able to write the bit that's required, a few screens' worth of changes Someone had volunteered to do screenshots but I haven't heard back from him in the last few days 'sOK since that's usually the last thing to finalize stickster: tell me what you want shot and I will do it <-- stickster has quit (Remote closed the connection) oops just before I was going to confirm that he is "team leader" on IG :) made it. sorry guys actually would like to see someone new take that role, and just focus stickster's energy --> stickster (n=pfrields at fedora/stickster) has joined #fedora-docs oi Hmm, bonobo ate my homework stickster: are you actually wanting to lead the FIG update? and my GNOME session sorry Sorry, don't know how much of those last comments made it back to the channel stickster: my initial thought had been to have someone else lead and help focus our energy, maybe Sonar_Guy ? if he's on shore -n- stuff :) quaid: I think Scott (Sonar_Guy) would be willing just noticed that he'd been working/thinking on it stickster: what do you think? stickster: here's where you left 'sOK since that's usually the last thing to finalize stickster: tell me what you want shot and I will do it <-- stickster has quit (Remote closed the connection) OK, that was everything then :-) cool I'd love the extra hands. We won't make any major changes at this point, saving them until FC7. The guide's fairly complete and just needs revisions to cover new extra repo entry, IPv6, a couple odds 'n' ends The work *MUST* be done in CVS though I simply don't have time to coordinate wiki dumps and consequent cleanups in addition to editing and revision Not a very tall order tho', since again, it's all told maybe a chapter's worth of work * quaid reads that as, "Stickster is team lead." * stickster takes ball and runs ...smack into the goalpost stickster: keep up with Sonar_Guy and we'll work on sending any others your way who want to help right-O ok, then, on to the DUG do we have any likely people to pressure :) to be Team leader? I can do it until then, but I really want this to scale a bit better, and get some new blood involved. I noticed that John Babich has really started plowing away at this one, which had foundered a little since Damien stopped working on it There are other people on that guide's watch list as well, I noticed... maybe his work will encourage some of them to roll up their sleeves :-) ok, maybe we'll just proceed without a leader for a few days and see what happens I was going to start digging in with language edits, etc. s/will// :D Right I know I sounded bitchy about the Assumptions thing... was meant in good spirit! It's crucial for that guide to be useful to the only people who will probably bother to read it :-) no, you were totally right like I said, that's why we're focusing on these guides Right on I presume I did the right thing in picking those? Yes... the others comprise a lot of googlejuice already Or I should say, the material they would cover is comprised of... etc cool yeah, an format entrance guide would be a good thing ok, that tackles the two most important items Was I supposed to send something to f-trans-l or anywhere about the relnotes web release? hmm I dunno, I mean ... they're supposed to be on f-docs-commits but it can't hurt to drop a note that any working translations can be updated for the Web between now and test3 True... is the content too transitory to bother? I suppose some of it won't change, making the PO still useful it mainly depends if we recommend that changes in the Web-only release are worth the extra time do we/ ? Nah I'd rather save their energy and enthusiasm for the week+ before the gold yep sounds fine to me * stickster notes we are doing meeting without quorum, but then again we're not really deciding anything :-) bull.seize(horns) 'struth also, I have to go bring Jack the parking widget so he can get the car out and go for lunch so -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 21:52:30 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:52:30 -0400 Subject: Governance policy Message-ID: <1155851550.5529.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Pursuant to Tuesday's board meeting, I am tasked with going through the list of "projects" on the wiki and figuring out how well our draft DefiningProjects page discerns our projects from our SIGs. One of the major dividing lines for an official project is a governance policy, and I'm not sure we have one of those for Docs. For several years, Karsten has chaired this project well, and I haven't seen anyone beating down the doors to change that -- we've had to proactively reach out and grab new people for the FDSCo, as a matter of fact. Perhaps we should have something written and plan an election as best we can, since there is existing code for elections provided by Toshio for FESCo. Would someone be interested in drafting one? It may be possible to find one elsewhere and copy it, but at the same time review it to make sure it works for Docs, seeing as how we have a very small active membership relative to some other parts of Fedora. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 29 17:07:45 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:07:45 -0700 Subject: Governance policy In-Reply-To: <1155851550.5529.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1155851550.5529.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1156871265.2548.48.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 17:52 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Pursuant to Tuesday's board meeting, I am tasked with going through the > list of "projects" on the wiki and figuring out how well our draft > DefiningProjects page discerns our projects from our SIGs. One of the > major dividing lines for an official project is a governance policy, and > I'm not sure we have one of those for Docs. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Charter ? > For several years, Karsten has chaired this project well, and I haven't > seen anyone beating down the doors to change that -- we've had to > proactively reach out and grab new people for the FDSCo, as a matter of > fact. Perhaps we should have something written and plan an election as > best we can, since there is existing code for elections provided by > Toshio for FESCo. Definitely what we are thinking, afaik. I put out a message earlier this year that while I was going to have to skip my initial pass-the-reins date, we definitely want to be looking at some turnover in project leadership, etc. > Would someone be interested in drafting one? It may be possible to find > one elsewhere and copy it, but at the same time review it to make sure > it works for Docs, seeing as how we have a very small active membership > relative to some other parts of Fedora. Do you have something we can compare that charter to, see what is missing? This project was born from the early success of Extras and FESCo, it makes sense to continue to bring ourselves inline with that. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 29 20:29:05 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:29:05 -0700 Subject: proposed new time, meeting rules Message-ID: <1156883346.2548.85.camel@erato.phig.org> New proposed time; how does this work for Tommy and Hugh (other active members)? 5 pm PDT/8 pm EDT/Midnight UTC Second, we've suffered in meetings by requiring a quorum (majority of active members) be in attendance. Because we are small in size, it is easy to not get a majority. New proposal would allow a meeting to continue with at least two committee members present, and we all agree not to make any drastic decisions without more members present. Call this the "abandoning anal quorum" proposal. Thoughts? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Aug 29 21:12:02 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:12:02 -0700 Subject: IRC log of non-meeting 29-Aug-2006 Message-ID: <1156885923.2548.105.camel@erato.phig.org> No quorum, so not a full meeting. :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule ta. * quaid hasn't seen Eitch in a little while BobJensen-Away, stickster - one thing we can discuss without a quorum is the idea of bumping the meeting around to accomodate Tommy I would be happy to do that, as I said before... I think I even suggested times maybe we can pick a time that works for us, so what were your suggestions? :) that is, times that I could do <-- f13 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) * stickster goes to gmail thx, I never followed up on that one quaid: I have no problem with that I can be around anytime between 1:00pm-3:30pm and 4:30pm-8:00pm That's Pacific time, sorry oh, ok i.e. 4-7:30, 7:30-11:00pm easter *Eastern I have a lUG meeting on the first tuesday of the month at 4PM Pacific Time We don't even have to do Tuesday looks like my note to the list said Tommy was avail after 4 pm but I'm not sure that really means ... 5 ? other days are an assortment of better and worse, Tuesdays are good overall We can't possibly accommodate our long-suffering European contingent when we have the need, we could shift again. This could affect our ability to have quorum though. So either we bend there (+1) or figure something else out Seeing as how we don't have enough active people to make up a 17-person cmte like Extras :-) I am open to just about anything well, if we had some more sexy packages ... yeah, I think our adherence to Roberts Rules might be out of order I'm working on it... it's tough to do it right *and* fast Mmmm fedora-docs-sexy....will that help? How about 8:00pm Eastern, 5:00pm Pacific Some late-nighters in UK might sign on, but probably not stickster: I am good there, other than that one tuesday a month I think that would work ... I just want to find a time that I'm sure I'll have a computer available, that seems to be OK and we can also put up the idea of ditching the quorum, or at least setting the minimum to "two voting members and no major changes or coups" or something as always if it does nto work we can change....right? Yup * quaid writes up something * BobJensen-Away smells clutches slipping While quaid does that, I will go on to top item on schedule page The IG is pretty much complete for FC6 at this point There were a goodly number of changes that (I hope) make it more flowchart like. The links will drag a person through quite a bit of the "Select method X" stuff stickster: great, did you get the images you needed? Yes Between what Sam sent me and what I did in VMWare aalamS is ready to push the POT to i18n, we can wait until the 30th like the schedule says and possibly get the DUG in there on time, too --> MrTom (n=mrtom at fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-Docs quaid: Wait, how does that give the translators time given our schedule page? * quaid looks http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#guides-schedule 31 Aug actually, CVS freeze for IG is tomorrow We list relnotes translation finished target date as 3 Sep, which is only 4 days Oops, wrong Oh, no, that's right We kind of promised the translators a longer lead time. stickster: Not sure that date was updated with the last push from RE/Devel stickster: we're driven by the ISO for that, so we can slip as much time as is needed ... fortunately, the diff between test2 and test3 isn't much I think that is accurate scheduling When is the test3 release right now? I thought it was on for Sept. 11 f13 confirmed that we are on target for 11 Sep/. OK OK then, that means we're only giving the translators like, 4 days if we push on the 30th. I still don't see what problem you see, other than us being three days late We promised to do better this time, so we should. no, wait you are looking at the relnotes look at #guides-schedule Oh Sorry... so the relnotes have gone now? * stickster was basically busy all day and has not checked email --> f13 (i=jkeating at fedora/ender) has joined #fedora-docs Hi f13 hi * stickster sees aalamS's email quaid: OK, so relnotes are good to go I'm on schedule for the IG at this point... no work left unless someone checks it out and tells me it sucks f13: Speaking of which, if you want to look at the IG and make suggestions, that's appreciated * BobJensen-Away will bust legs if they do... cvs -d co install-guide docs-common f13: You better run BobJensen-Away: That's not fair, he's still recuperating :-) LOL stickster: do you want to run it by anaconda-devel? Srue *Sure There's one screenshot out of date but I was hoping it would be "fixed" (it's ugly in default resolution) before freeze sk'IG' ? stickster: 'IG'? f13: Installation Guide Installation guide ooooh stickster: are your scheduling concerns answered? we are giving the requested week for trans for the IG, and are cutting short on the relnotes but fortunately there aren't that many changes, and I don't know yet if the DUG is going to drop on time or a day late, depends I think so. I still have a sad face on from missing a deadline, but that's probably because we have no good centralized project tracking yep, that's mainly what happened; that would be me, and i didn't do squat for work this weekend total slacker Thank goodness for wiki commit messages though and moving on ... :) How's the DUG? very active commits, I'm behind in editing, going to focus on that for the afternoon it's pretty complete, but I'm sure there is going to be dispute about the approach, so we'll see how it looks in draft mode once we convert from Wiki, we aren't going back at this point, i say there is a fair chance we'll drop for trans at the same time as the IG, on time on 31 Aug after all, that's 48 whole hours from now OK is there any value (or time) for us to get the finals for these on the FC6 ISO? I wish that some of our many "new user" proponents were helping like John has jmbuser++ jmbuser rocks Um... we talked about the IG briefly, but there was always the concern of missing something and having it frozen for eternity on the ISO stickster: I'm trying to unfuck my workstation right now. f13: :-) step 1 - remove dipstick heh Here's the thing... the packaging will also involve entries in the comps file so that there would be a Documentation group in pirut where users can easily install this stuff wheee! cryllic fonts on my anaconda! f13: TMI about a new tattoo? hehe * quaid makes a sideways reference to Sir Mix-A-Lot ??????? As for packaging... OMF stuff is hopefully there now, which is a major part of the packaging OMF files are what create entries in scrollkeeper, the documentation parser and indexer used in Yelp (GNOME help) This was hard. Next up is correcting the building of tarballs and spec files. Once that happens, we'll have a way of rolling RPMs out of docs CVS almost as easily as in Extras. I have decided I am *not* going to work on building a common docs-building infrastructure above and beyond the already existing platform tools. At first it seemed like a good idea, now it seems more like a huge waste of time, or quagmire, depending on how you look at it :-) uh, you know, I hate to be Amero-centric, but is 11 Sep. really a good day to release anything you want attention on? stickster: about common docs building, I think it is a good idea but I'd want some input from others who are using the toolchain. maybe an RFC on f-docs-l? too bad we can't see who has been using the toolchain. My RFC would basically be, "If you think it's a good idea, build it." heh, yeah Not to be snide. I'm just burning the candle at both ends :-) right Maybe that would be something in which Dmitris would be interested ok, moving along I didn't do any testing of the DB XML -> Moin Moin, as I'd intended travel weeks always equal less computer time, no matter what I think is going to happen. I saw that I'd forgotten about the unsupported situation, which kicks the SELinux FAQ in the knees. do we have any other doc we want to test with? mvirkkil: did you get to test with anything? XML -> wiki, that is I have to jet guys, sorry I could not stay longer ciap we're almost done, anyway bottom line on that is, no update same with trans process no idea what is going on with Fedora Infrastructure for the i18n/elvis -> cvs.fp.o http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule rhlinux.redhat.com migration BerndGroh N/A Moving accounts and CVS to f.r.c - stalled at present. oh, wait, is that the same thing? yes, it is ok, so we can safely figure that as a priority 3 item, it ain't happening for a while *snort* sorry, /me was drafting note for Jeremy to pass on to anaconda-devel-list quaid: OK, that's done <-- Rasther has quit ("aaahhhhhhh") quaid: One last thing... still-missing sections of relnotes ruh-roh We probably need a drop-dead date to let people know when the wiki will be frozen. We need to leave ourselves plenty of time for editorial before the trans freeze My vote is 72 hours --> xover (n=link at 193.157.66.5) has joined #fedora-docs right now we have 23 Sep for freeze So 20 Sep? sure i.e., 3 weeks + a smidge I'm thinking the right way to do this might be to mailbomb f-devel-l and f-maintainers-l Judging by the low response from test2 -> test3 quaid: Objections? *: Anyone? Bueller? sorry, was prepping a mailbomb for internal lists yes, let's do that, one mail a week until then * quaid adds it to our agenda * stickster applauds quaid for initiative * stickster makes appointment in Evo yeah, that too but I figure if it comes up on our agenda, that's at least once a week :) -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Wed Aug 30 03:00:02 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:00:02 -0700 Subject: proposed new time, meeting rules In-Reply-To: <1156883346.2548.85.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1156883346.2548.85.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20060829200002.e0900b0e.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Karsten Wade , spake thus: > New proposed time; how does this work for Tommy and Hugh (other active > members)? > 5 pm PDT/8 pm EDT/Midnight UTC I can handle 17:00PDT most days. I'm going in at 6:00AM usually and unless I work overtime, I'm out by 14:30 or so... > New proposal would allow a meeting to continue with at least two > committee members present, and we all agree not to make any drastic > decisions without more members present. Call this the "abandoning anal > quorum" proposal. OK by me. Tommy's Rule Of Order: He who complains has volunteered; He how touches it last owns it. > Thoughts? Only occasionally. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Aug 30 15:31:32 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:31:32 -0700 Subject: proposed new time, meeting rules In-Reply-To: <20060829200002.e0900b0e.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <1156883346.2548.85.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060829200002.e0900b0e.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <1156951892.2545.72.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 20:00 -0700, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered Karsten Wade , spake thus: > > > New proposed time; how does this work for Tommy and Hugh (other active > > members)? > > 5 pm PDT/8 pm EDT/Midnight UTC > > I can handle 17:00PDT most days. I'm going in at 6:00AM usually and > unless I work overtime, I'm out by 14:30 or so... OK, we're sticking with Tuesdays but moving to the new time. > > New proposal would allow a meeting to continue with at least two > > committee members present, and we all agree not to make any drastic > > decisions without more members present. Call this the "abandoning anal > > quorum" proposal. > > OK by me. That's 'yes' from myself, Tommy, and Paul. IIRC, Bob agreed as well. So, we can put this into effect next time. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: