From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 14:39:17 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:39:17 -0400 Subject: Meeting tomorrow Message-ID: <1151937557.2789.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Do we need to reconsider tomorrow's meeting? It's a US holiday and since many of the contributors are US persons, attendance might be low. Would the usual suspects like to vote? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 4 07:34:15 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:34:15 -0700 Subject: Meeting tomorrow In-Reply-To: <1151937557.2789.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1151937557.2789.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1151998455.16657.27.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 10:39 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Do we need to reconsider tomorrow's meeting? It's a US holiday and > since many of the contributors are US persons, attendance might be low. > Would the usual suspects like to vote? Sorry, duh!, yeah, this is a natural to cancel, and was even thinking about this earlier Monday. Yeah, meeting canceled on account of fireworks and stuff. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 19:51:47 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:51:47 -0400 Subject: CVS approval Message-ID: <1152474707.1484.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Diego, Sorry that I mucked up your CVS access request. It was not supposed to be approved yet, until your first round of work with Hugo was finished. When that's done we will look at this request again ASAP. Thanks for your time and sorry again for the misunderstanding. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 18 20:31:36 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:31:36 -0700 Subject: new meeting time? redux Message-ID: <1153254696.2589.143.camel@erato.phig.org> As life shifts, so do we need to reconsider meeting times on occasion. Tommy Reynolds is now in my timezone (Pacific), but is unavailable until after 4 pm PDT (right?). Do we think a later meeting time would work? For myself, our current one is in the middle of my work day, so I'd have to dip back through personal time to move it to the evening. Be a little more like what ya'll regularly experience. :) Suggestions? For me, I suppose something between 6 pm and 8 pm PDT would be OK, where it comes to melding around my family. 10 pm and after works great for me, but that is getting into stickster_zzzz time. 4 pm might be OK, although that is usually the end of my day on Tuesday and thus when I am transitioning into other roles around here. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Jul 22 15:29:25 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:29:25 -0700 Subject: FDSCo IRC log 18 July 2006 Message-ID: <1153582165.1313.130.camel@erato.phig.org> yo <[splinux]> What do you think about rewriting desktop guide for fedora 6 release? heck, how about we just write it in the first place! quaid: +1 quaid: Did you have an agenda for today other than the wiki? [splinux]: it was never moved from Draft, but, yes, sounds like a great idea. How can we help? stickster: I forgot what the wiki agenda item was and the real answer is, no oh, one thing was meeting times, a review to see if we can accommodate megacoder's evening hours PDT requirement <[splinux]> quaid: I'm not an english or american man, if you or other guy could review my pages, it'll be great ah, an editor assignment is needed! I'm here now <[splinux]> hi Eitch <[splinux]> #docs you're welcome ;-) [splinux]: did you ask on fedora-docs-list about help on the desktop guide? <[splinux]> no I'm a bit busy with release-notes now... and the gaming reviews (just stopped last week because I was travelling) [splinux]: ask for an editor there, maybe someone will step on [splinux]: we can ask for editor help, but maybe first we can try to get the other writers involved again <[splinux]> yeah good idea, thans :) quaid: +1 again [splinux]: IMO, there needs to be more there for an editor to work with ... that is, anyone can step in and correct some grammar right now, and that is helpful ... but it would be better for an editor to see it as a whole, instead of different pieces. <[splinux]> yeah stickster: so, what was that wiki agenda item? I think we're having a little FDSCo dis-jointed-ness, which is normal for us :) You mean the wiki-related one? aye Hmm Don't really remember either... Did it have to do with unfreeze and test3? what I think is hot right now is whatever we have to do for the test2 ISO. that is, meetings around releases tend to become working affairs :) more tactical, less strategic one question: do we include PO from i18n.r.c that is not completely translated? in the past we've said yes, but I don't know how the trans tools handle that we've also said no in the past, but I think test notes are a possibly different rule. If it's not completely trans'd, the worst that happens on our end is US English bits mixed in yep aalamS: not sure how you do it for the OS strings ... aalamS: but we can take the PO that are even partially translated Jul 18 13:30:56 * stickster is back and forth between this channel and getting f-relnotes packaging ready with f13 right, like I said, a working party during release Jul 18 13:31:40 * quaid sends email about meeting time change ideas Jul 18 13:34:43 * quaid sends the same content to aalamS via email How are we looking for getting the PO back from A S? Jul 18 13:37:58 --> MrTomLapy (n=mrtom at i05m-87-90-247-108.d4.club-internet.fr) has joined #fedora-Docs Heh... lag I think my previous work for packaging is, largely, a waste of time I think we'd be better off adopting the "commit the spec" model like the rest of Fedora We could just put in @VERSION@ et al. flags like you normally see for .in files ,and fill with XSLT/sed See release-notes/devel/Makefile for a model stickster: whats a waste of time? The stuff I tried to provide in Makefile.common last year well, from then until earlier this year It was somewhat clever but largely misguided Or was that the other way around? Well, at least it made me learn XSLT ah ok. stickster: so will you hurt me if I ask you to add support for % dist and %fedora tags? (: There's a lot we can derive from our XML, but frankly RPM changelogs should not be one of them. f13: *BANG* *flump* s'ok. this package really doesn't need them. does 'make tag' pull from the spec for a tag version? MMmm... nope But I should be able to get that from Extras or Core CVS, yes? i.e. copy the targets and check to make sure we have any other necessitites "necessitite" -- magnetic material sometimes found in Make-fu uh, I hear some stuff I need to check, either brb or will ask stickster to close meeting ... In that case, we're done Jul 18 13:50:44 * stickster needs to run to next meeting Any objections? 5 4 3 2 1 -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 25 20:59:04 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:59:04 -0700 Subject: FDSCo meeting IRC log 25-Jul-2006 Message-ID: <1153861144.29375.151.camel@erato.phig.org> Here is this, such as it is. :) quaid: Yoo hoo oi :-) sorry, alarm didn't go off (phone batter died) D'oh! been deep in review of something :) I should have rung earlire *earlier s'aight hey, so, do our meetings suck now? since not using the schedule page all the time? and are we messing with our visibility? and does anyone care? :D I think the schedule page may be a bit unrealistic... maybe we need to concentrate on having a few top-tier things for each meeting, and concentrating on pummeling those Otherwise it's quite demoralizing :-( Just looking at the first item is an indicator that our process is overwhelming our workload quaid: I think one of our big ticket items for today is that we have people signing up to help with translations who need access to our CVS Which may conflict slightly with our earlier policy decisions hmm well, if we have an existing person in that language, we have a mentor sponsor, that is if we don't, we have some choices: * Ask another translator from another language to be the sponsor i. Ask another translator from another language to be the sponsor ii. Ask a Red Hat translator to be the sponsor iii. Ask the new person to be the sponsor iv. ??? Alternately we can ask the new volunteer translator to recruit a second from the translation project, right? --> Sopwith (n=sopwith at nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) has joined #fedora-docs Hi Eliot [sp] sorry stickster: yes that's a good point most important is to avoid the solo-translators as we've had in the past Yeah, agreed spread the resonsibility * quaid pounces on Sopwith 'sup curious about MoinMoin upgrade loving. do we have to wait for the SoC project to be completed? or can we/should we do an interim update? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=196961 that's the request quaid: Sorry, I don't follow moinmoin closely. skvidal and nman64 would be the people t oask Sopwith: you might want to changethe default assignee for that component away from gdk, btw :) bleah, need to get rid of that bugzilla product altogether OTRS is the best way to bug people about infrastructure Sopwith: do you read this comment as skvidal volunteering to do this: Is OTRS available to non-RH Fedorans? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=196961#c2 stickster: Yup https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ticket/ I think cool... sorry I'm not familiar with it, but I'll find it and investigate it I think we have targeted a victim then quaid: I think he's making a suggestion at that point, not necessarily volunteering. * stickster is evidence of "Yes, we'll even have a lusers rep on the Board" Sopwith: can you assign someone to it then? quaid: Onto toolchain then? yep OK... so the packaging as I originally conceived it (functionality wise) sucks eggs. Which makes it fortunate that I didn't expose it to anyone besides us :-) Sopwith: would it help if I re-requested in OTRS? I have better ideas now but I think waiting until after test2 freeze is prudent Is that sensible to everyone? quaid: It'd help keep it higher on the radar I'll assign this to myself and create an OTRS ticket. ok stickster: agreed on prudence stickster: just wait until the ISOs are approved, I reckon just in case we have to rebuild well quaid: +1 we want to do the Web-only release first It can safely wait until after taht so ... that depends on schedule, but if you'll know when that point hits (web-only put up) *that s/if// <-- mumumu__ has quit ("Leaving....") See release-notes module for a preview... although the OMF file also needs to move into the lang dir, along with rpm-info as I discussed with glezos on list We're going to get all the XML into the lang directories for max translation power cool I know this has been a long road but I swear it will be worth it ;-D I would like to recruit glezos to help with some of the tool buildouts He seems very clueful Silence gives consent? I'll check offlist with Tommy to make sure he's cool with it Maybe he should consider himself already recruited ;-) roger that Maybe we should consider this meeting over :-\ deadline fever, man gnite <-- aadil (n=aadil at ADSL-TPLUS-98-36.telecomplus.net) has left #fedora-docs ("Going once,..") sorry to kill afternoon :( understood, call it -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: