From dnglaze at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 15:09:45 2008 From: dnglaze at gmail.com (Dean Glazeski) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab Message-ID: <49354FB9.1080800@gmail.com> Hello all, I wanted to download Fedora Electronic Lab, but I'm at a dorm where they have pretty much blocked torrenting abilities. I haven't been able to find a download link for Fedora Electronic Lab that isn't a torrent file. Does anyone know of a site that has a direct download of the ISO? Thanks in advance. // Dean From tnorth at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 2 21:39:06 2008 From: tnorth at fedoraproject.org (Thibault North) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:39:06 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab Message-ID: <200812021639.06589.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Le Tuesday, 2. December 2008 10:09:45 am Dean Glazeski, vous avez ?crit?: > Hello all, > > I wanted to download Fedora Electronic Lab, but I'm at a dorm where they > have pretty much blocked torrenting abilities. I haven't been able to > find a download link for Fedora Electronic Lab that isn't a torrent > file. Does anyone know of a site that has a direct download of the > ISO? Thanks in advance. > > // Dean Hi Dean, I've been trying to upload it since two days ago, but my hosting provider apparently hates me: the transfert always stops at 99%. I'm looking forward to find another place or a way to work around this, I'll let you now. Cheers, Thibault From thibault.north at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 21:37:55 2008 From: thibault.north at gmail.com (Thibault North) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:37:55 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab In-Reply-To: <49354FB9.1080800@gmail.com> References: <49354FB9.1080800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812021637.57547.thibault.north@gmail.com> Le Tuesday, 2. December 2008 10:09:45 am Dean Glazeski, vous avez ?crit?: > Hello all, > > I wanted to download Fedora Electronic Lab, but I'm at a dorm where they > have pretty much blocked torrenting abilities. I haven't been able to > find a download link for Fedora Electronic Lab that isn't a torrent > file. Does anyone know of a site that has a direct download of the > ISO? Thanks in advance. > > // Dean Hi Dean, I've been trying to upload it since two days ago, but my hosting provider apparently hates me: the transfert always stops at 99%. 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This apparently is a problem with a lot of folks. It will be great if we can find a way around this. Regards, Aanjhan From tnorth at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 3 17:12:26 2008 From: tnorth at fedoraproject.org (Thibault North) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:12:26 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab In-Reply-To: <49354FB9.1080800@gmail.com> References: <49354FB9.1080800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812031212.26637.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Le Tuesday, 2. December 2008 10:09:45 am Dean Glazeski, vous avez ?crit?: > Hello all, > > I wanted to download Fedora Electronic Lab, but I'm at a dorm where they > have pretty much blocked torrenting abilities. I haven't been able to > find a download link for Fedora Electronic Lab that isn't a torrent > file. Does anyone know of a site that has a direct download of the > ISO? Thanks in advance. > > // Dean Hello, The ISO image is available here : http://tnorth.ch/fel/F10-i686-Live-FEL.iso And its sha1 : http://tnorth.ch/fel/SHA1SUM (I hope the image matches the sha1sum....) Kind regards, Thibault North From aniruddhabnj at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 08:53:06 2008 From: aniruddhabnj at gmail.com (Aniruddha) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:23:06 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab In-Reply-To: <20081203170016.52F3261B975@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081203170016.52F3261B975@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002d01c955ed$bdbcd8d0$39368a70$@com> Hello all; I have downloaded FEL live DVD from a torrent link which is about 1.24GB in size. I have already installed Fedora 10in my hard drive I want to install FEL in my hard disk in my existing fedora 10 operating system. Please help me about the process of doing so. As I am new in linux I would prefer a step by step discussion of the process. Thanks in advance. ANIRUDDHA -----Original Message----- From: fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:30 PM To: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com Subject: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2 Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab (Dean Glazeski) 2. Re: Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab (Thibault North) 3. Re: Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab (Thibault North) 4. Re: Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab (Aanjhan R) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:09:45 -0600 From: Dean Glazeski Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab To: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <49354FB9.1080800 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello all, I wanted to download Fedora Electronic Lab, but I'm at a dorm where they have pretty much blocked torrenting abilities. I haven't been able to find a download link for Fedora Electronic Lab that isn't a torrent file. Does anyone know of a site that has a direct download of the ISO? Thanks in advance. // Dean ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:39:06 -0500 From: Thibault North Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab To: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <200812021639.06589.tnorth at fedoraproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Le Tuesday, 2. December 2008 10:09:45 am Dean Glazeski, vous avez icrit : > Hello all, > > I wanted to download Fedora Electronic Lab, but I'm at a dorm where they > have pretty much blocked torrenting abilities. I haven't been able to > find a download link for Fedora Electronic Lab that isn't a torrent > file. Does anyone know of a site that has a direct download of the > ISO? Thanks in advance. > > // Dean Hi Dean, I've been trying to upload it since two days ago, but my hosting provider apparently hates me: the transfert always stops at 99%. I'm looking forward to find another place or a way to work around this, I'll let you now. Cheers, Thibault ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:37:55 -0500 From: Thibault North Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Obtaining Fedora Electronic Lab To: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <200812021637.57547.thibault.north at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Le Tuesday, 2. December 2008 10:09:45 am Dean Glazeski, vous avez icrit : > Hello all, > > I wanted to download Fedora Electronic Lab, but I'm at a dorm where they > have pretty much blocked torrenting abilities. I haven't been able to > find a download link for Fedora Electronic Lab that isn't a torrent > file. Does anyone know of a site that has a direct download of the > ISO? Thanks in advance. > > // Dean Hi Dean, I've been trying to upload it since two days ago, but my hosting provider apparently hates me: the transfert always stops at 99%. I'm looking forward to find another place or a way to work around this, I'll let you now. 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This apparently is a problem with a lot of folks. It will be great if we can find a way around this. Regards, Aanjhan ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list End of Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2 ******************************************************** From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 09:55:48 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:55:48 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab In-Reply-To: <002d01c955ed$bdbcd8d0$39368a70$@com> References: <20081203170016.52F3261B975@hormel.redhat.com> <002d01c955ed$bdbcd8d0$39368a70$@com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812060155y2247a1d9k715a1a5eeab7879f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Aniruddha wrote: > Hello all; > I have downloaded FEL live DVD from a torrent link which is about 1.24GB in > size. I have already installed Fedora 10in my hard drive I want to install > FEL in my hard disk in my existing fedora 10 operating system. > Please help me about the process of doing so. > As I am new in linux I would prefer a step by step discussion of the > process. > Thanks in advance. > ANIRUDDHA Hello Case #1 : If you have installed Fedora 10, there is no need to download FEL-10 livedvd again. All FEL applications can be installed with either: - yum - kpackagekit yum is a command-line rpm installer. to install any software with yum do: su - yum install SOFTWARE Another alternative to the command line is kpackagekit (a graphical interface): KDE icon -> System -> Kpackagekit software management Then you can search your SOFTWARE to be installed. To know which SOFTWARE you might want to install please have a look at : http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ >>>Featured Applications Click on any item of you choice: On the right hand side, you will see a section called "Tools". There you will have the name of the SOFTWARE you want to install with either yum or kpackagekit Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 09:57:09 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:57:09 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] systemverilog Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812060157k4340071bn81541c0f98b7173b@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, can you point out some opensource systemverilog tool out there ? thanks. Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 11:04:44 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:04:44 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: systemverilog In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0812060157k4340071bn81541c0f98b7173b@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0812060157k4340071bn81541c0f98b7173b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812060304oc7eb8eeu201c1687093bdd3@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, The surprise of the week, month, and even year that we had on Thursday ! I'm hoping to get OVM soon in Fedora repositories, however I will need you help to find me a good opensource systemverilog simulator. http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2008/12/thank-you-cadence-and-mentor-graphics.html I've submitted OVM for review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474980 This is actually a nice christmas gift from Cadence and Mentor Graphics. Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 12:07:46 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:07:46 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] an IDE for hardware design ? Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812060407r199c28fcmb2f522506d3689ca@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, I have been thinking about what could ease designers' frustrations on getting a good IDE for digital hardware design. Personally, I do everything with kate, but I have seen a growing number of eclipse deployment by various design centres. In search to make FEL: - more professional - more easily usable by users, I think it is time to think about some IDE possibilities for FEL. What are your thoughts about it ? any plugin, tool you might recommend ? Currently, I'm looking forward to eclipse + some plugins(that need to be packaged) Let's do some brain storming ! Chitlesh. From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 13:06:58 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:06:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL needs your help Message-ID: <50baabb30812060506g3a6ec84doaa570dc500fbde17@mail.gmail.com> Hello Fedora Marketing, As you are all already familiar with FEL, I'll skip the introduction. For F-10 FEL development, Aanjhaan and Thibault joined me to maintain FEL, but now they are both very busy. I have many plans and many features for F-11 FEL, but alone (with very little time) I would have to reduce my participation as an ambassador, mentor, package reviewer and support for other opensource communities. I am going to meet (on my own expenses) : * some automotive engineers next weekend to see how Fedora can propose a portfolio "electronic design" for the automotive industry. (e.g. doing measurements: roll, pitch, yaw ...) * some XMOS designers to see how existing opensource tools can embrace XMOS support (sometimes in January). As you can see, I'm looking forward to elevate Fedora status for professional production purposes. If I succeed, I assume that there will many companies, educational institutions and end-users who will be deploying more than 5 Fedora installations at ONE time. This is my fedora marketing strategy. If I have time EPEL repository can also benefit from this, thereby CentOS/RHEL users will also be happy. I would appreciate if ambassadors could contact their local universities (Electronic department, to be precised), and inform them about Fedora's investment in the electronic design community. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf You will find FEL todo list here (which will be updated with time): http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/devel/FEL_devel_timeline.html So if you think someone could help with Fedora electronic portfolio, please do introduce him/her to FEL's mailing list. I have also another objective: to bring various upstream closer and try to encourage them not to re-invent the wheel but focus on providing industry-class solutions for the opensource community. Of course, fedora will benefit from it first. If time allows, I'll also engage myself (as I promised to Tom Callaway) with some upstream developers to open their software into a GPL-compatible license. So if you know someone with legal skills, please welcome him/her to join the Fedora family. If you know a local blogger about electronics, please propose them to write a blog post about "Fedora and its electronic portfolio". Any help will be greatly appreciated. thank you. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 08:53:39 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:53:39 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: [Fedora-mentors-list] Self-introduction and in need of some guidance. In-Reply-To: <45f7db60812070019q3b4bb5b0k4505d0a8f9b0746@mail.gmail.com> References: <45f7db60812032130icff4f56n72c6dc030d2eb3ae@mail.gmail.com> <50baabb30812060516o50ca7b47qd44f093aa636ccde@mail.gmail.com> <45f7db60812070019q3b4bb5b0k4505d0a8f9b0746@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30812070053k58dac8c1n674026372f5f05b3@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Lionel Fernandes wrote: > Ok sure. It might be a good starting point. So I should test the examples > that are in the packages of the FEL LiveDVD, correct? > I'll try to do it as soon as I can. > Hello Lionel, Every FEL packages in the Livedvd are available on Fedora-10. If you have F-10, there is no need to download the livedvd. I would appreciate if you could install: - netgen - magic-doc - xcircuit - irsim - gnucap - toped - ngspice - alliance - gtkwave - ghdl - freehdl - qucs - octave-forge - qtoctave Then have a look at their respective /usr/share/doc Then try to run the examples. It would be nice to run "rpmlint" again for each. I would appreciate if you could tabulate all your difficulties or findings in the following table: Application | Version | Documentation defects | Examples defects | Other comments. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | Another idea would be having a look at opensuse, ubuntu and debian bugzilla/launchpad to see if they have open bugs about the above tools. Then point out if our fedora packages are subjected to those bugs. Unfortunately, these distributions don't send their patches to upstream. Once you are done, I'll contact every upstream to inform them about some eventual changes that need to be done. Cheers, Chitlesh From bashton at brennanashton.com Sun Dec 7 19:49:26 2008 From: bashton at brennanashton.com (Brennan Ashton) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:49:26 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] HC(s)12 Microcontrollers Message-ID: <981da310812071149v18683894q400b745c55e1453d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I would be interested in helping get support for the Freescale HC(s)12 microcontroller support into Fedora. As part of this I see packaging the gcc cross compiler (which I have done non officially), packaging some of the programmer tools, doing some worth with Eclipse so you can create a hcs12 project, and possibly doing some work with gdb support. Is there interest in this? There is a fare amount of work that needs to be done to make this happen, and help would be appreciated. --Brennan Ashton From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 23:55:00 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:55:00 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] HC(s)12 Microcontrollers In-Reply-To: <981da310812071149v18683894q400b745c55e1453d@mail.gmail.com> References: <981da310812071149v18683894q400b745c55e1453d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812081555x59d6af7brceb05d8df02ea30d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brennan Ashton wrote: > Hi, > I would be interested in helping get support for the Freescale HC(s)12 > microcontroller support into Fedora. As part of this I see packaging > the gcc cross compiler (which I have done non officially), packaging > some of the programmer tools, doing some worth with Eclipse so you can > create a hcs12 project, and possibly doing some work with gdb support. > Is there interest in this? There is a fare amount of work that needs > to be done to make this happen, and help would be appreciated. Hello Bashton, There is always an interest. If you think you have time to include those little by little into fedora, please do so. Packaging is very simple, and fedora's tool are straight forward but with strict packaging guidelines. Fear not, I am here to help you. Please do explain us how you plan to proceed, we will try to help you, at least I will. Cheers, Chitlesh From bashton at brennanashton.com Tue Dec 9 04:03:53 2008 From: bashton at brennanashton.com (Brennan Ashton) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:03:53 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] HC(s)12 Microcontrollers In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0812081555x59d6af7brceb05d8df02ea30d@mail.gmail.com> References: <981da310812071149v18683894q400b745c55e1453d@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0812081555x59d6af7brceb05d8df02ea30d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <981da310812082003y727a4d1bn6cd185aa370285ca@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brennan Ashton > wrote: >> Hi, >> I would be interested in helping get support for the Freescale HC(s)12 >> microcontroller support into Fedora. As part of this I see packaging >> the gcc cross compiler (which I have done non officially), packaging >> some of the programmer tools, doing some worth with Eclipse so you can >> create a hcs12 project, and possibly doing some work with gdb support. >> Is there interest in this? There is a fare amount of work that needs >> to be done to make this happen, and help would be appreciated. > > Hello Bashton, > > There is always an interest. If you think you have time to include > those little by little into fedora, please do so. Packaging is very > simple, and fedora's tool are straight forward but with strict > packaging guidelines. Fear not, I am here to help you. > > Please do explain us how you plan to proceed, we will try to help you, > at least I will. > Chitlesh > Chitlesh, I am aware of the packaging procedures, I have a few packages in the works right now for other fedora projects. I use the HC(s)12 a lot, and I know that in the automotive industry it is also big which I notice is one of your targets. I am going to start off getting the cross-compiler going. I think I am going to have to start a project to get the eclipse integration stuff done, on of the biggest things that I have found turns people away from using eclipse even in windows for this is the process of setting up the build tools, I hope to automate this. It will take a few months to get done I am sure, but over Jan and Feb I should have the cross compiler and programmer tools all packaged up. If there is anyone else on the team that uses the HC(s)12 it would be nice to have some testing help, as I only have one BDM, and two different processors. --Brennan Ashton From aniruddhabnj at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 04:02:07 2008 From: aniruddhabnj at gmail.com (Aniruddha) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:32:07 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab-list In-Reply-To: <20081209170014.E20FD61AE9B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081209170014.E20FD61AE9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <004001c95a7c$157678a0$406369e0$@com> Dear All; I had installed FEL in my hard drive and was able to do things till 6th December Sunday. After I took the updates on 6th morning I am not being able to mount the other partitions in my computer, neither from dolphin or from terminal mount process. The other drives are formatted in NTFS and was able to see and work on them before. If I open the drives forcefully from laching files option under multimedia I can open the drives in dolphin but my sound card is not responding. Please help . I didn't take yesterdays update. As I am new in linux I would prefer a step by step discussion of the process, of hoe can I do it. Thanks in advance. ANIRUDDHA BANERJEE From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 10 21:05:12 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:05:12 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] comments: EDA Rescue Plan Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812101305t6112e208o4ae415bf44525da8@mail.gmail.com> Hello Clive Maxfield, I have just read your post [1] "EDA Rescue Plan", which got my attention. However, like you I was more interested on what are the EDA tools Blue Pearl are proposing. Since you mentioned that you are constantly being surprised to discover established EDA vendors, let me introduce you to "Fedora Electronic Lab". [2] Fedora Electronic Lab (FEL), being a subset of the Fedora Project, strives to give users the best experience with opensource EDA tools. Each 6 months, the Fedora Project releases a new version of our Linux distribution "Fedora", together with a special LiveDVD dedicated for electronics. This LiveDVD available for free is intended to serve as an electronic simulation platform, on which users can work on their ASIC design, embedded design,.. . While Fedora is engineered by Red Hat Inc. (the leader in Entreprise Linux) together with the community, our users benefit freely the cutting-edge technologies Red Hat is working on their RHEL 6. Our latest statistics proved that Fedora has more than 9.5 million users around the world and FEL has at least 1% of the user share. We (as non-profit community members) packaged opensource tools and work with their developers to ensure interoperability between our tools and that our users can deploy quickly and efficiently with our mature RPM/YUM deployment mechanism. In a matter of fact, we also provide marketing facilities as much as I can for those developers. (This email is an example). The developers of FEL's tools are working hard to keep their applications up-to-date with such a technological race in the EDA world. We don't claim to be in competition with Synopsys or Cadence, however we follow them closely and see how we can satisfy the needs of our users (end-users, students, lecturers, ..) Not only we provide EDA tools for free, but also a Linux Operating system which is the upstream of Red Hat Entreprise Linux. While mostly all ASIC design centers run RHEL for their Cadence and Synopsys tools, we believe our users will enjoy the same professional experience while designing their chips or embedded code on Fedora Electronic Lab. I would appreciate if you could spare some time writing a post about Fedora Electronic Lab. Since we are a non-profit organization, your readers would be interested in our EDA solutions whether the latter suits their personal use or deployment in an academic institutions. I welcome you to visit FEL's website at [2] and if there are any way we can assist you please let me know. [1]: http://www.pldesignline.com/212300434 [2]: http://chitlesh.fedoraproject.org/FEL [3]: http://fedoraproject.org Kind Regards, Chitlesh GOORAH From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 10 22:58:00 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:58:00 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: comments: EDA Rescue Plan In-Reply-To: <003e01c95b10$60ec19e0$22c44da0$@com> References: <13dbfe4f0812101305t6112e208o4ae415bf44525da8@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c95b10$60ec19e0$22c44da0$@com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812101458x3b5a3c0cl379a17c0359eea79@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Max Maxfield wrote: > Hi there Chitlesh -- thanks for your email -- this is very interesting. > > Now, is your EDA software predominantly targeted at ASIC designs, or does it also cover Structured ASICs and FPGAs? Hello Max, Thank you. I would like to precise one thing here. It is not _my_ EDA software, but a collection of EDA tools from : - toped layout community - gEDA & gaf community - opencircuitdesign community - .. Thereby I don't think it is wise to name is _my_ EDA software, but software under the Fedora Electronic Lab unbrella. Everyone tried to help as much as they could, so they deserve the credit as well. > > If ASIC only, then I could do a "Chips and Dips" piece for use on the iDESIGN section of the www.ChipDesignMag.com website (just scroll down until you see the iDESIGN section). "Chips and Dips" is mosta appropriate since FEL has no solutions for FPGA yet. Kind regards, Chitlesh From max at techbites.com Wed Dec 10 21:43:43 2008 From: max at techbites.com (Max Maxfield) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:43:43 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] RE: comments: EDA Rescue Plan In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0812101305t6112e208o4ae415bf44525da8@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0812101305t6112e208o4ae415bf44525da8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c95b10$60ec19e0$22c44da0$@com> Hi there Chitlesh -- thanks for your email -- this is very interesting. Now, is your EDA software predominantly targeted at ASIC designs, or does it also cover Structured ASICs and FPGAs? If ASIC only, then I could do a "Chips and Dips" piece for use on the iDESIGN section of the www.ChipDesignMag.com website (just scroll down until you see the iDESIGN section). Alternatively, if it's also of interest for Structured ASIC and/or FPGA designs, then I can do a blog on www.pldesignline.com Regards -- Max ========================== Max The Magnificent TechBites Interactive 495 Production Ave Madison, AL 35758, USA Tel: 256-319-0257 (or 0255 or 0258) -----Original Message----- From: chitlesh at gmail.com [mailto:chitlesh at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Chitlesh GOORAH Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:05 PM To: max at techbites.com Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list Subject: comments: EDA Rescue Plan Hello Clive Maxfield, I have just read your post [1] "EDA Rescue Plan", which got my attention. However, like you I was more interested on what are the EDA tools Blue Pearl are proposing. Since you mentioned that you are constantly being surprised to discover established EDA vendors, let me introduce you to "Fedora Electronic Lab". [2] Fedora Electronic Lab (FEL), being a subset of the Fedora Project, strives to give users the best experience with opensource EDA tools. Each 6 months, the Fedora Project releases a new version of our Linux distribution "Fedora", together with a special LiveDVD dedicated for electronics. This LiveDVD available for free is intended to serve as an electronic simulation platform, on which users can work on their ASIC design, embedded design,.. . While Fedora is engineered by Red Hat Inc. (the leader in Entreprise Linux) together with the community, our users benefit freely the cutting-edge technologies Red Hat is working on their RHEL 6. Our latest statistics proved that Fedora has more than 9.5 million users around the world and FEL has at least 1% of the user share. We (as non-profit community members) packaged opensource tools and work with their developers to ensure interoperability between our tools and that our users can deploy quickly and efficiently with our mature RPM/YUM deployment mechanism. In a matter of fact, we also provide marketing facilities as much as I can for those developers. (This email is an example). The developers of FEL's tools are working hard to keep their applications up-to-date with such a technological race in the EDA world. We don't claim to be in competition with Synopsys or Cadence, however we follow them closely and see how we can satisfy the needs of our users (end-users, students, lecturers, ..) Not only we provide EDA tools for free, but also a Linux Operating system which is the upstream of Red Hat Entreprise Linux. While mostly all ASIC design centers run RHEL for their Cadence and Synopsys tools, we believe our users will enjoy the same professional experience while designing their chips or embedded code on Fedora Electronic Lab. I would appreciate if you could spare some time writing a post about Fedora Electronic Lab. Since we are a non-profit organization, your readers would be interested in our EDA solutions whether the latter suits their personal use or deployment in an academic institutions. I welcome you to visit FEL's website at [2] and if there are any way we can assist you please let me know. [1]: http://www.pldesignline.com/212300434 [2]: http://chitlesh.fedoraproject.org/FEL [3]: http://fedoraproject.org Kind Regards, Chitlesh GOORAH From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 23:02:20 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:02:20 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] HC(s)12 Microcontrollers In-Reply-To: <981da310812082003y727a4d1bn6cd185aa370285ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <981da310812071149v18683894q400b745c55e1453d@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0812081555x59d6af7brceb05d8df02ea30d@mail.gmail.com> <981da310812082003y727a4d1bn6cd185aa370285ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812101502i67e35fc3t1d59acd99c4efee4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Brennan Ashton wrote: > > Chitlesh, > I am aware of the packaging procedures, I have a few packages in the > works right now for other fedora projects. I use the HC(s)12 a lot, > and I know that in the automotive industry it is also big which I > notice is one of your targets. I am going to start off getting the > cross-compiler going. I think I am going to have to start a project > to get the eclipse integration stuff done, on of the biggest things > that I have found turns people away from using eclipse even in windows > for this is the process of setting up the build tools, I hope to > automate this. It will take a few months to get done I am sure, but > over Jan and Feb I should have the cross compiler and programmer tools > all packaged up. If there is anyone else on the team that uses the > HC(s)12 it would be nice to have some testing help, as I only have one > BDM, and two different processors. > > --Brennan Ashton > Hello Brennan, I have seen that you requested to be sponsored, if you have no sponsor, let me know. I can sponsor you for rpm packaging. If you are going to get the eclipse integration stuff done, I'll be opting eclipse as the prime IDE for vhdl. It always takes months :), try to do your maximum, the rest can wait for F-12 Thanks again for helping. Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 23:10:50 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:10:50 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab-list In-Reply-To: <004001c95a7c$157678a0$406369e0$@com> References: <20081209170014.E20FD61AE9B@hormel.redhat.com> <004001c95a7c$157678a0$406369e0$@com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812101510jaa05c84tbc8c6b8cf72fb6ca@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Aniruddha wrote: > Dear All; > I had installed FEL in my hard drive and was able to do things till 6th > December Sunday. After I took the updates on 6th morning I am not being able > to mount the other partitions in my computer, neither from dolphin or from > terminal mount process. The other drives are formatted in NTFS and was able > to see and work on them before. > If I open the drives forcefully from laching files option under multimedia I > can open the drives in dolphin but my sound card is not responding. > Please help . I didn't take yesterdays update. > As I am new in linux I would prefer a step by step discussion of the > process, of hoe can I do it. > Thanks in advance. > ANIRUDDHA BANERJEE Hello Aniruddha, I have looked at the fedora-users-mailing list and no one are complaining about the issues you are having. I'll recommend you to accept the updates nevertheless as they fix numerous items on fedora. Can you create another user on your fedora, and try to login under that user. Afterwards, try to see whether you are having the same issues or not. If you want live support, I'll recommend you to join the channel #fedora on irc.freenode.net. People on that channel will help you troubleshoot it live with you. Kind regards, Chitlesh From sdb at cloud9.net Wed Dec 10 23:50:10 2008 From: sdb at cloud9.net (Stuart Brorson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:50:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] RE: comments: EDA Rescue Plan In-Reply-To: <003e01c95b10$60ec19e0$22c44da0$@com> References: <13dbfe4f0812101305t6112e208o4ae415bf44525da8@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c95b10$60ec19e0$22c44da0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Chitlesh, Hi Max -- Pardon me for butting in here. Maybe I can help clarify things. The Fedora Electronics Lab is a particular Linux distro released by the Fedora team which is specialized towards electronics designers. That is, besides the usual set of applications you get from stock Fedora Core, FEL also bundles a bunch of open-source applications used for electronics design. This includes lots of things: * Chip design -- Magic (Chip layout editor. Very old but completely functional and kept up to date by a team of folks at various universities.) -- Alliance (Chip design suite from French university. Includes layout tools, VHDL compiler & synthesis, and other tools) -- Toped (Chip layout editor) * Simulation (Chip and board level) -- Icarus Verilog (Verilog compiler and simulation engine) -- GHDL (VHDL compiler providing ability to simulate) -- Alliance (VHDL simulation engine) -- GTKWave (Waveform viewer used with simulation tools) -- ngSPICE (Berkeley SPICE ported to Linux) -- GnuCap (Next-gen analog simulator) -- QUCS (Analog/digital/microwave simulation package from German university) * PCB design -- gEDA/gaf (schematic entry, attribute management, netlisting to 20 different netlist formats) -- gEDA/PCB (PCB layout editor) -- Kicad (schematic through layout PCB design suite) -- gerbv (Gerber viewer) * Embedded system tools I have certainly missed a few tools included in FEL. In any event, FEL is big news for electronics designers. There is lots of activity at the grassroots level as EEs discover the tools and try them out. Here's a recent presentation from an engineer at Agilent: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/2777 There's plenty of material in FEL for more than a blog posting and an article. Hope this helps, Stuart Brorson gEDA Project On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Max Maxfield wrote: > Hi there Chitlesh -- thanks for your email -- this is very interesting. > > Now, is your EDA software predominantly targeted at ASIC designs, or does it also cover Structured ASICs and FPGAs? > > If ASIC only, then I could do a "Chips and Dips" piece for use on the iDESIGN section of the www.ChipDesignMag.com website (just scroll down until you see the iDESIGN section). > > Alternatively, if it's also of interest for Structured ASIC and/or FPGA designs, then I can do a blog on www.pldesignline.com > > Regards -- Max > > ========================== > Max The Magnificent > TechBites Interactive > 495 Production Ave > Madison, AL 35758, USA > Tel: 256-319-0257 (or 0255 or 0258) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chitlesh at gmail.com [mailto:chitlesh at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Chitlesh GOORAH > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:05 PM > To: max at techbites.com > Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list > Subject: comments: EDA Rescue Plan > > Hello Clive Maxfield, > > I have just read your post [1] "EDA Rescue Plan", which got my > attention. However, like you I was more interested on what are the EDA > tools Blue Pearl are proposing. > > Since you mentioned that you are constantly being surprised to > discover established EDA vendors, let me introduce you to "Fedora > Electronic Lab". [2] > > Fedora Electronic Lab (FEL), being a subset of the Fedora Project, > strives to give users the best experience with opensource EDA tools. > Each 6 months, the Fedora Project releases a new version of our Linux > distribution "Fedora", together with a special LiveDVD dedicated for > electronics. This LiveDVD available for free is intended to serve as > an electronic simulation platform, on which users can work on their > ASIC design, embedded design,.. . While Fedora is engineered by Red > Hat Inc. (the leader in Entreprise Linux) together with the community, > our users benefit freely the cutting-edge technologies Red Hat is > working on their RHEL 6. Our latest statistics proved that Fedora has > more than 9.5 million users around the world and FEL has at least 1% > of the user share. > > We (as non-profit community members) packaged opensource tools and > work with their developers to ensure interoperability between our > tools and that our users can deploy quickly and efficiently with our > mature RPM/YUM deployment mechanism. In a matter of fact, we also > provide marketing facilities as much as I can for those developers. > (This email is an example). The developers of FEL's tools are working > hard to keep their applications up-to-date with such a technological > race in the EDA world. We don't claim to be in competition with > Synopsys or Cadence, however we follow them closely and see how we can > satisfy the needs of our users (end-users, students, lecturers, ..) > > Not only we provide EDA tools for free, but also a Linux Operating > system which is the upstream of Red Hat Entreprise Linux. While mostly > all ASIC design centers run RHEL for their Cadence and Synopsys tools, > we believe our users will enjoy the same professional experience while > designing their chips or embedded code on Fedora Electronic Lab. > > I would appreciate if you could spare some time writing a post about > Fedora Electronic Lab. Since we are a non-profit organization, your > readers would be interested in our EDA solutions whether the latter > suits their personal use or deployment in an academic institutions. > > I welcome you to visit FEL's website at [2] and if there are any way > we can assist you please let me know. > > [1]: http://www.pldesignline.com/212300434 > [2]: http://chitlesh.fedoraproject.org/FEL > [3]: http://fedoraproject.org > > > Kind Regards, > Chitlesh GOORAH > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > From aniruddhabnj at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 10:56:02 2008 From: aniruddhabnj at gmail.com (Aniruddha) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:26:02 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FW: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 Message-ID: <006c01c95c48$3ebbb720$bc332560$@com> Dear Sir; Thanking you for your kind suggestions I would like to add that I had tried your idea of setting a new user with the same results. Moreover I had tried to login irc forum but neither Mozilla nor konquerer could connect and reflecting format not supported. I even noted that kpackage is bringing in any new updates. Could you please suggest some other course of action . As I not started anything yet I can go back to default settings if there is any command.I tried an update but it failed says kpackage has missing dependencies. Please help as I am eager to work in fel environment. Thanks in advance ANIRUDDHA BANERJEE On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Aniruddha wrote: > Dear All; > I had installed FEL in my hard drive and was able to do things till 6th > December Sunday. After I took the updates on 6th morning I am not being able > to mount the other partitions in my computer, neither from dolphin or from > terminal mount process. The other drives are formatted in NTFS and was able > to see and work on them before. > If I open the drives forcefully from laching files option under multimedia I > can open the drives in dolphin but my sound card is not responding. > Please help . I didn't take yesterdays update. > As I am new in linux I would prefer a step by step discussion of the > process, of hoe can I do it. > Thanks in advance. > ANIRUDDHA BANERJEE Hello Aniruddha, I have looked at the fedora-users-mailing list and no one are complaining about the issues you are having. I'll recommend you to accept the updates nevertheless as they fix numerous items on fedora. Can you create another user on your fedora, and try to login under that user. Afterwards, try to see whether you are having the same issues or not. If you want live support, I'll recommend you to join the channel #fedora on irc.freenode.net. People on that channel will help you troubleshoot it live with you. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 13 11:21:18 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:21:18 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FW: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <006c01c95c48$3ebbb720$bc332560$@com> References: <006c01c95c48$3ebbb720$bc332560$@com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812130321g5126cbbdu1f85fef94d61fa43@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Aniruddha wrote: >I tried an update but it failed says > kpackage has missing dependencies. Please help as I am eager to work in fel > environment. try, this is should work: su - (root password) yum clean all yum update Chitlesh From aniruddhabnj at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 05:39:00 2008 From: aniruddhabnj at gmail.com (Aniruddha) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:09:00 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab-list In-Reply-To: <20081213170013.3FC5A61AF15@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081213170013.3FC5A61AF15@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000101c95dae$46f89a40$d4e9cec0$@com> Dear Mr. Goorah; With lots of thanks for helping me and keeping me move ahead with problems , your ideas were great. I made an attempt for yum update (in which there were missing discrepencies previously) this Sunday morning and it did give an update of 144MB which solved my problem of not being able to reach NTFS drives.I did not clean all. Should I therefore keep update processes running in future? I would also like to be any help I could do for this society, although I am not an linux literate, or programmer. Thanking You ANIRUDDHA BANERJEE -----Original Message----- From: fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:30 PM To: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com Subject: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FW: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 (Chitlesh GOORAH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:21:18 +0100 From: "Chitlesh GOORAH" Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FW: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 To: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812130321g5126cbbdu1f85fef94d61fa43 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Aniruddha wrote: >I tried an update but it failed says > kpackage has missing dependencies. Please help as I am eager to work in fel > environment. try, this is should work: su - (root password) yum clean all yum update Chitlesh ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list End of Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 ********************************************************* From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Dec 14 20:03:51 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:03:51 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab-list In-Reply-To: <000101c95dae$46f89a40$d4e9cec0$@com> References: <20081213170013.3FC5A61AF15@hormel.redhat.com> <000101c95dae$46f89a40$d4e9cec0$@com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812141203m7fa932a0n7a3349106d88be53@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Aniruddha wrote: > Should I therefore keep update processes running in future? I would also > like to be any help I could do for this society, although I am not an linux > literate, or programmer. Hello, I need some help to verify whether the documentation and examples of the FEL apps are uptodate. Tell me, what field of electronics you are interested in ? ASIC, embedded PCB ..? Depending on your interest you could help me verify the examples. If some examples are not working for some reasons, you will have to report it here in this mailing list or in bugzilla. Afterwards, I'll update the packages as appropriate and upstream will be notified. Does this sound interesting for you ? Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 18:42:56 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:42:56 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] patch: vhd2vl and fedora Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812151042wad084b8o1fc2e448d820928e@mail.gmail.com> Hello Larry, Thanks for keeping the vhd2vl contents up to date. I'm trying to include vhd2vl into fedora : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476387 The latest bison seems to be very strict, thereby vhd2vl's build fails. Below you will find a minor patch which will correct the missing ";". http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/RPMS/vhd2vl.spec http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/RPMS/vhd2vl-typo.patch You have mentioned Steve Haynal has an unreleased v2.1. Can you update the current v2.0 package so that I can package it for fedora ? Thank you, Chitlesh From aniruddhabnj at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 04:03:53 2008 From: aniruddhabnj at gmail.com (Aniruddha) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:33:53 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Interests In-Reply-To: <20081215170019.44993619B7A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20081215170019.44993619B7A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <006a01c95f33$523d7520$f6b85f60$@com> Dear Sir; I am thinking of learning as I work with you, from the table of contents in FEL webpage I could make out "PCB Layout and Circuit Design, Micro Controller (?C) Programming And Embedded Systems Development" could be interesting. I would request you to judge my skills as I am a novice. Thanks In Advance -----Original Message----- From: fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:30 PM To: fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com Subject: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13 Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fedora-electronic-lab-list (Chitlesh GOORAH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:03:51 +0100 From: "Chitlesh GOORAH" Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab-list To: fedora-electronic-lab-list Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812141203m7fa932a0n7a3349106d88be53 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Aniruddha wrote: > Should I therefore keep update processes running in future? I would also > like to be any help I could do for this society, although I am not an linux > literate, or programmer. Hello, I need some help to verify whether the documentation and examples of the FEL apps are uptodate. Tell me, what field of electronics you are interested in ? ASIC, embedded PCB ..? Depending on your interest you could help me verify the examples. If some examples are not working for some reasons, you will have to report it here in this mailing list or in bugzilla. Afterwards, I'll update the packages as appropriate and upstream will be notified. Does this sound interesting for you ? Kind regards, Chitlesh ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list End of Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13 ********************************************************* From aanjhan at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 09:21:33 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:33 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: Student Projects using Electric In-Reply-To: <0377d115-4591-444e-bd48-a6ad8a4b3ff1@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> References: <0377d115-4591-444e-bd48-a6ad8a4b3ff1@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Nice info below :-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: pallav Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:11 PM Subject: Student Projects using Electric To: Electric VLSI Editor My junior undergraduate students in ECE 3450 (Digital Electronics) and I have used Electric for the first time. They have been very happy with this tool (as have I) and have immense praise for it (ease of use, allowing them to see 3D structures, nice IRSIM simulator, etc). As a result, each one of them has successfully laid out relatively complex circuits using Electric on their own. If interested, please visit http://pandim.ece.villanova.edu/index.php/teaching-mainmenu-44/20-fall-2008/28-digital-electronics-projects.html to see their projects. Twelve weeks ago, few of them knew what a transistor was or what CMOS is all about. Electric has played a very significant role in their education. Many are now eager to learn more about VLSI design. If there are any instructors or non-undergraduate students (sorry) here who would like the source files for the projects to use in their own courses (tutorials, labs, etc)/learning, I'll be happy to share them with you. Feel free to contact me. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Electric VLSI Editor" group. To post to this group, send email to electricvlsi at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to electricvlsi+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/electricvlsi?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -- Aanjhan ------------ http://www.tuxmaniac.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 17 19:20:04 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:20:04 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: Student Projects using Electric In-Reply-To: References: <0377d115-4591-444e-bd48-a6ad8a4b3ff1@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812171120g1ee9de32heb015aafcd9bf718@mail.gmail.com> Hello Aanjhaan, can you contact him (and his team) with this mailing list as CC: to ask them package those examples into a tarball along with a GPL-compatible license ? Afterwards, we can package it for fedora and featured it on our FEL-11 Livedvd. I've requested that the latter be hosted on ftp rather than torrent. Electric is already available on fedora. It would be nice to have those examples as open-source IP block :) Kind regards, Chitlesh On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Aanjhan R wrote: > Nice info below :-) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: pallav > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:11 PM > Subject: Student Projects using Electric > To: Electric VLSI Editor > > > > My junior undergraduate students in ECE 3450 (Digital Electronics) and > I have used Electric for the first time. > They have been very happy with this tool (as have I) and have immense > praise for it (ease of use, allowing them to see 3D structures, nice > IRSIM simulator, etc). As a result, each one of them has successfully > laid out relatively complex circuits using Electric on their own. If > interested, please visit > > http://pandim.ece.villanova.edu/index.php/teaching-mainmenu-44/20-fall-2008/28-digital-electronics-projects.html > > to see their projects. Twelve weeks ago, few of them knew what a > transistor was or what CMOS is all about. Electric has played a very > significant role in their education. Many are now eager to learn more > about VLSI design. > > If there are any instructors or non-undergraduate students (sorry) > here who would like the source files for the projects to use in their > own courses (tutorials, labs, etc)/learning, I'll be happy to share > them with you. Feel free to contact me. > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Electric VLSI Editor" group. > To post to this group, send email to electricvlsi at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > electricvlsi+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/electricvlsi?hl=en > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > > > > -- > Aanjhan > ------------ > http://www.tuxmaniac.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 19:22:38 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:22:38 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: NASCUG Call for Contributions: Abstract Deadline January 9, 2009 In-Reply-To: <20081216200518.21337.72569@66.179.20.234> References: <20081216200518.21337.72569@66.179.20.234> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812171122ldfd4d4es791340593e9207ce@mail.gmail.com> FYI. Systemc is currently under review at rpmfusion. Hopefully, before Christmas I could get it approved at rpmfusion. A lot of works were done in order to get a proper package ready. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:05 PM Subject: NASCUG Call for Contributions: Abstract Deadline January 9, 2009 To: members at lists.systemc.org NASCUG User's Group Meeting Call for Contributions -- Abstract Deadline January 9 ----------------------------------------------------- The North American SystemC User's Group (NASCUG) accelerates the use of SystemC for both new and established users by providing venues for users to contribute, learn, and interact. Following the great success of our previous meetings, we are calling for contributions for the upcoming 10th NASCUG meeting, to be held 24 February 2009 in San Jose, CA USA. This event is co-located with the Design Verification Conference (DVCon) 2009 (www.dvcon.com). 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If you need further assistance, contact: admin at lists.systemc.org OSCI Open SystemC Initiative 1445 Foxworthy Avenue, Suite 50 PMB 132 San Jose, CA 95118 From chitlesh at fedora.redhat.com Wed Dec 17 19:24:00 2008 From: chitlesh at fedora.redhat.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:24:00 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: gEDA-announce: Press release: gEDA Project and Linux Fund partner to boost gEDA/PCB usability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812171124h234696e8g3bd0b1c9a87b1c17@mail.gmail.com> Some good news from Stuart: (in case you missed it) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stuart Brorson < hidden > Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM Subject: gEDA-announce: Press release: gEDA Project and Linux Fund partner to boost gEDA/PCB usability Good news for gEDA users! Please read the below press release, of interest to all gEDA users. It has gone out to a variety of EE news sources, as well as mainstream press release sites. Cheers, Stuart December 15th, 2008 gEDA Project and Linux Fund partner to boost gEDA/PCB usability Help bring open source circuit board design into the mainstream. The gEDA Project is pleased to announce that it has partnered with Linux Fund in a fundraising effort targeted to expedite development of gEDA's flagship PCB layout program "PCB". Within this partnership, expert gEDA/PCB developer DJ Delorie has agreed to implement a set of enhancements designed to upgrade PCB's usability and utility for electronics designers, making it an attractive open source alternative to commercial PCB design tools. With this project, gEDA/PCB joins the VectorSection DWG interpreter project as part of Linux Fund's growing open engineering and hardware initiative. PCB is a twenty year old application. Originally written in 1990 for the Atari ST, the program was ported to Unix in 1994. Over the years, it has been maintained and extended by a series of developers who have added improvements and new features, including the ability to export Gerber RS-274x files, an autorouter, and a GTK port. Mr Delorie is currently one of the chief developers involved with PCB, having become involved with the project in 2002. DJ Delorie is well known within the open source community as the author of djgpp, a popular port of the gcc compiler to DOS. He is also a long time user of PCB, having used the program to design a net-enabled alarm clock which won second place in Circuit Cellar Magazine's "Microchip embedded control" design contest in 2007. His commitment to work on PCB usability enhancements in conjunction with funding from the Linux Fund represents a major step forward for the gEDA Project, as well as a welcome boost to the open-hardware movement. gEDA/PCB upgrade work description: * Implement forward annotation using action scripts * GUI modernization * Enhance ability to create and edit arbitrary layer types * Develop a new Footprint Editor * Update Design Rule Checking About the gEDA Project The gEDA Project is a community of open-source developers working on creating tools for electronic design released under the GNU Public License. The project currently offers a mature suite of free software applications for electronics design, including schematic capture, attribute management, bill of materials (BOM) generation, netlisting into over 20 netlist formats, analog and digital simulation, and printed circuit board (PCB) layout. Besides the core design tools, the gEDA Project has gathered a community of other programmers who work on their own tools while sharing the gEDA e-mail lists, administration, and community support. This extended set of electronics design applications has become known as the "gEDA Suite". Visit http://geda.seul.org for more information about the gEDA Project. About Linux Fund Linux Fund is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that provides financial and supervisory support to the open source software community. Linux Fund raises funds with its line of rewards credit cards and direct donations, and has given over half a million dollars to open source projects since its founding in 1999. Visit http://www.linuxfund.org for more information about Linux Fund and to help support the gEDA/PCB Project. _______________________________________________ geda-announce mailing list geda-announce at moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-announce From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Dec 17 19:26:56 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:26:56 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Interests In-Reply-To: <006a01c95f33$523d7520$f6b85f60$@com> References: <20081215170019.44993619B7A@hormel.redhat.com> <006a01c95f33$523d7520$f6b85f60$@com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812171126tbd044e0tba3c1324c99cad58@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Aniruddha wrote: > Dear Sir; > I am thinking of learning as I work with you, from the table of contents in > FEL webpage I could make out "PCB Layout and Circuit Design, Micro > Controller (?C) Programming Hello please do it for us. You might be interested to have a look at the docs provided by the rpms: e.g rpm -qd pcb > And Embedded Systems Development" could be interesting. I would request you > to judge my skills as I am a novice. I'm a novice too. Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 11:56:52 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:56:52 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] SystemC License issue Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812200356v34c2df4j7ad95765762d06fd@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, While systemc's review (rpmfusion) is nearly over and a lot of work has been done, we are now worried about its license. You will find the license here: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/systemC/License.pdf Section 5 states: A Recipient who Distributes the Program (a "Distributor") may accept certain responsibilities with respect to end users, business partners and the like. While this license is intended to facilitate the commercial use of the Program, a Distributor shall Distribute the Program in a manner which does not create potential liability for Contributors. Therefore each Distributor hereby agrees to defend and indemnify every Contributor ("Indemnified Contributor") against any losses, damages and costs (collectively "Losses") arising from claims, lawsuits and other legal actions brought by a third party against the Indemnified Contributor to the extent caused by the acts or omissions of such Distributor, including but not limited to the terms and conditions under which Distributor offered the Program, in connection with its Distribution of the Program. The obligations in this section do not apply to any claims or Losses relating to any actual or alleged intellectual property infringement of the Program. In order to qualify, an Indemnified Contributor must: (a) promptly notify the Distributor in writing of such claim, and (b) allow the Distributor to control, and cooperate with the Distributor in, the defense and any related settlement negotiations. The Indemnified Contributor may participate in the defense of any such claim at its own expense. Can anyone clarify whether it is valid for rpmfusion ? fedora/RH Legal has tagged SystemC's license as non-free. regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 12:33:44 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:33:44 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] LEGAL:Distributing SystemC Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812200433v3ee561a0m9d2b0d0f6ec83076@mail.gmail.com> Dear SystemC-forum and developers, Before I explain what the problem with Systemc's license is , let me first introduce my intentions. I am a community member of Fedora project. https://fedoraproject.org/ My contribution to this _non profit_ organisation is to make the deployment of opensource EDA tools easier, under the Fedora Electronic Lab umbrella. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL We are not in competition with other EDA vendors. Thereby I was packaging SystemC for Fedora. However, after consulting Red Hat Lawyers, Systemc's license is not valid to include it into Fedora's repositories. There is a third-party repository for fedora (not supported by the fedora project) : rpmfusion which deals with such licensing issues. http://rpmfusion.org/ I have spent many days trying to fix SystemC for gcc4, use dynamic libraries instead of static, ... etc. But the contributors behind the non-profit rpmfusion and I are worried about the distribution of Systemc. We have been in contact with Red Hat Lawyers to give us some advice on this matter. You will find below their recommendations. With this email, I am asking SystemC developers to please modify SystemC license in such a way that it makes distribution easier. Recently, Cadence and Mentors announced OVM is available under the Apache 2 license. Can Synopsys do the same with SystemC ? or at least a license which facilitates distribution. You will have all my work done (patches) on integrating SystemC in Fedora/Red Hat based linux operating systems. If SystemC's license is updated as I wish, I will work with SELinux developers to fix the memory flags that SELinux is blocking. My request in this email is to facilitate the tasks of everyone :- - me as a non-profit distributor - any fedora user will have SystemC well integrated in the linux distribution and he/she doesn't have to spend days compiling Systemc. - SystemC developers will have all my patches. However, if Systemc's developers reject my request, I will not distribute Systemc and abide to the legal terms. Below are some recommendations to update SystemC's license: This is specifically commenting on the current version 3.0 of the SystemC license. http://www.systemc.org/about/org_docs/license/ The most significant problem is section 2.7, concerning trademarks. I would suggest both of the following: (a) Eliminating 2.7 in its entirety. Trademark issues are dealt with adequately in section 2.5. However, another (redundant) possibility is to replace the existing 2.7 in its entirety with one sentence: This Agreement grants no permission to use the marks or logos of OSCI. (b) Sever Exhibit D completely from the license. There are other issues that might not rise to the level of non-free-ness but have been pointed out by the FSF as being problematic (and in some cases clarification of meaning or purpose would lead to the conclusion that the clauses in question make the license non-free). The following suggestions would address these: (a) Eliminate the following: PLEASE READ THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE CLICKING ON THE "ACCEPT" BUTTON, AS BY CLICKING ON THE "ACCEPT" BUTTON YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ, UNDERSTOOD AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT AND ALL OF ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS. (Note that there's other language that deals with acceptance below this language.) (b) In section 2.6, replace the term "proprietary notices" with "legal notices". (c) Replace section 5 with the following: Any Recipient which Distributes any Contribution and/or OSCI Release in a commercial offering (a "Commercial Distributor") may accept certain responsibilities with respect to end users, business partners and the like. While this license is intended to facilitate the commercial use of Contributions and OSCI Releases, a Commercial Distributor should do so in a manner which does not create potential liability for the Contributors. Therefore, each Commercial Distributor hereby agrees to defend and indemnify every Contributor ("Indemnified Contributor") against any losses, damages and costs (collectively "Losses") arising from claims, lawsuits and other legal actions brought by a third party against the Indemnified Contributor to the extent they directly result from the acts or omissions of such Commercial Distributor in connection with the terms and conditions under which the Commercial Distributor offered such Contributions and OSCI releases in a commercial product offering. The obligations in this Section 5 do not apply to any claims or Losses relating to any actual or alleged intellectual property infringement. In order to qualify, an Indemnified Contributor must: a) promptly notify the Commercial Distributor in writing of such claim, and b) allow the Commercial Distributor to control, and cooperate with the Commercial Distributor in, the defense and any related settlement negotiations. The Indemnified Contributor may participate in the defense of any such claim at its own expense. For example, a Recipient might include a Contribution in a commercial product offering, Product X. That Contributor is then a Commercial Distributor. If that Commercial Distributor then makes performance claims, or offers warranties, support or indemnity related to Product X, those performance claims, offers and other terms are such Commercial Distributor's responsibility alone. Under this Section 5, the Commercial Distributor would have to defend claims against the Contributors directly arising out of those performance claims, offers, and other terms, and if a court requires any Contributor to pay any damages as a result, the Commercial Distributor must pay those damages. Alternatively, and preferably, eliminate section 5 altogether. Kind regards, Chitlesh From pallavgupta at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 20:31:55 2008 From: pallavgupta at gmail.com (pallav gupta) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:55 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: Student Projects using Electric In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0812171120g1ee9de32heb015aafcd9bf718@mail.gmail.com> References: <0377d115-4591-444e-bd48-a6ad8a4b3ff1@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <13dbfe4f0812171120g1ee9de32heb015aafcd9bf718@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll be happy to send the tarball. Give me a couple of weeks to sort out the files. thanks pallav On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello Aanjhaan, > > can you contact him (and his team) with this mailing list as CC: to > ask them package those examples into a tarball along with a > GPL-compatible license ? > > Afterwards, we can package it for fedora and featured it on our FEL-11 > Livedvd. I've requested that the latter be hosted on ftp rather than > torrent. > > Electric is already available on fedora. It would be nice to have > those examples as open-source IP block :) > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Aanjhan R wrote: > > Nice info below :-) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: pallav > > Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:11 PM > > Subject: Student Projects using Electric > > To: Electric VLSI Editor > > > > > > > > My junior undergraduate students in ECE 3450 (Digital Electronics) and > > I have used Electric for the first time. > > They have been very happy with this tool (as have I) and have immense > > praise for it (ease of use, allowing them to see 3D structures, nice > > IRSIM simulator, etc). As a result, each one of them has successfully > > laid out relatively complex circuits using Electric on their own. If > > interested, please visit > > > > > http://pandim.ece.villanova.edu/index.php/teaching-mainmenu-44/20-fall-2008/28-digital-electronics-projects.html > > > > to see their projects. Twelve weeks ago, few of them knew what a > > transistor was or what CMOS is all about. Electric has played a very > > significant role in their education. Many are now eager to learn more > > about VLSI design. > > > > If there are any instructors or non-undergraduate students (sorry) > > here who would like the source files for the projects to use in their > > own courses (tutorials, labs, etc)/learning, I'll be happy to share > > them with you. Feel free to contact me. > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Electric VLSI Editor" group. > > To post to this group, send email to electricvlsi at googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > electricvlsi+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/electricvlsi?hl=en > > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Aanjhan > > ------------ > > http://www.tuxmaniac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pallav Gupta http://pallavgupta.homeunix.org "Going to the mountain is going home." -George Leigh Mallory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 13:00:53 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:00:53 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW Message-ID: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin wrote: > Hi Chitlesh, > > How are you? > Next week I have two workshops for school teachers and it mainly for > non-tech and windows based school teachers . Basically I will give them a > hands on training for how to install Fedora, updates, and relevant > educational packages. > > More over I will do few more workshops for the next year as well. > > Can you do me a favor? > > I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) > As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. > Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational sofwares. > Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. > > I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. > Let it be 1.2GB as you did. > Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational software. > > * Why I can't do it myself? > Here I have a poor ADSL connectivity. > So, running a script and downloading hole stuff for trial and error is much > difficult. > > So, pls help me. I really want to spread FEL with other Fedora stuff. :) > > Waiting for a positive response. > > Best Regards, > Danishka > Dear Danishka, I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all educational software. Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still yum install any electronic software. Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time - the use of educational software is vast and targets various categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board for such a spin through this email. Thereby I invite you to join our Fedora Ambassador Project and be one of our Fedora Ambassadors. You can also meet other Fedora Ambassadors in your region who might help you as well for your events. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Dec 20 13:11:11 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:11:11 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] elettrolinux Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812200511i1d1d4cb0l21282c9c3bf069fa@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, FYI http://elettrolinux.com/index.php/home It can be a frontend to follow opensource EDA news. Thereby keeping us tuned to provide the tools. Chitlesh From danishka at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 18:44:50 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:14:50 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW In-Reply-To: <494D3779.8070701@when.com> References: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> <494D3779.8070701@when.com> Message-ID: <494D3D22.8080306@gmail.com> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin >> wrote: >>> Hi Chitlesh, >>> >>> How are you? >>> Next week I have two workshops for school teachers and it mainly for >>> non-tech and windows based school teachers . Basically I will give >>> them a >>> hands on training for how to install Fedora, updates, and relevant >>> educational packages. >>> >>> More over I will do few more workshops for the next year as well. >>> >>> Can you do me a favor? >>> >>> I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) >>> As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. >>> Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational sofwares. >>> Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. >>> >>> I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. >>> Let it be 1.2GB as you did. >>> Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational software. >>> >>> * Why I can't do it myself? >>> Here I have a poor ADSL connectivity. >>> So, running a script and downloading hole stuff for trial and error >>> is much >>> difficult. >>> >>> So, pls help me. I really want to spread FEL with other Fedora >>> stuff. :) >>> >>> Waiting for a positive response. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Danishka >>> >> >> Dear Danishka, >> >> I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. >> >> If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all >> educational software. >> Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still >> yum install any electronic software. >> >> Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the >> FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: >> - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time >> - the use of educational software is vast and targets various >> categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of >> them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a >> Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing >> list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. > > Ping! Hi there :) > > Well, we've an education spin, as well as a special interest group [1] > for educational stuff. I have joined to the team > > But, er... I need to admit, the spin which you can currently grab from > spins.fedoraproject.org only includes mathematical applications. If > you want to get further information, you might want to look at the > feature page here [3]. > > Unfortunately, it became quite calm around the Edu SIG, but I'm still > hoping that this doesn't need to be the end. > > For example, you could add your name to the wiki and we can try to get > something off the ground :). Our last meeting on IRC also happened > some time ago - if you're interested in joining, I'd be happy to > welcome you! > > I've been working on some Sugar & OLPC stuff recently, but I believe a > spin with educational or scientific apps is still heavily needed. > Maybe we should also expand our goals: Just focusing on mathematical > applications might have been not the best idea. Maybe we could also > cooperate with other groups in Fedora (with educational or scientific > goals) concerning the creation of a spin. > > But I still feel that without feedback or ideas from other people, > it's somehow hard to get something started. Like Chitlesh said, a list > of the software you want use would be great. > >> Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your >> workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops >> while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board >> for such a spin through this email. > > This might be a solution, too. But nevertheless, I think feedback or > ideas concerning a possible spin would be very helpful! Hi Sebastian, My target is adding possible software's which covers all (but possible) school education subjects. Math, Arts, Science, Language/English, Computer, Geography, Accounts, Electronics, etc for age range of 6 to 18 students and teachers of them. > >> Thereby I invite you to join our Fedora Ambassador Project and be one >> of our Fedora Ambassadors. You can also meet other Fedora Ambassadors >> in your region who might help you as well for your events. >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors >> >> Kind regards, >> Chitlesh > > By the way: You might also want to join our mailing list [3]. Yes, I did :) > And please don't hesitate to contact me directly ;). Sure! > > --Sebastian > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationMathSpin > [3] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list > From sebastian at when.com Sat Dec 20 18:20:41 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:20:41 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW In-Reply-To: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494D3779.8070701@when.com> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin wrote: >> Hi Chitlesh, >> >> How are you? >> Next week I have two workshops for school teachers and it mainly for >> non-tech and windows based school teachers . Basically I will give them a >> hands on training for how to install Fedora, updates, and relevant >> educational packages. >> >> More over I will do few more workshops for the next year as well. >> >> Can you do me a favor? >> >> I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) >> As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. >> Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational sofwares. >> Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. >> >> I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. >> Let it be 1.2GB as you did. >> Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational software. >> >> * Why I can't do it myself? >> Here I have a poor ADSL connectivity. >> So, running a script and downloading hole stuff for trial and error is much >> difficult. >> >> So, pls help me. I really want to spread FEL with other Fedora stuff. :) >> >> Waiting for a positive response. >> >> Best Regards, >> Danishka >> > > Dear Danishka, > > I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. > > If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all > educational software. > Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still > yum install any electronic software. > > Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the > FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: > - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time > - the use of educational software is vast and targets various > categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of > them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a > Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing > list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. Ping! Hi there :) Well, we've an education spin, as well as a special interest group [1] for educational stuff. But, er... I need to admit, the spin which you can currently grab from spins.fedoraproject.org only includes mathematical applications. If you want to get further information, you might want to look at the feature page here [3]. Unfortunately, it became quite calm around the Edu SIG, but I'm still hoping that this doesn't need to be the end. For example, you could add your name to the wiki and we can try to get something off the ground :). Our last meeting on IRC also happened some time ago - if you're interested in joining, I'd be happy to welcome you! I've been working on some Sugar & OLPC stuff recently, but I believe a spin with educational or scientific apps is still heavily needed. Maybe we should also expand our goals: Just focusing on mathematical applications might have been not the best idea. Maybe we could also cooperate with other groups in Fedora (with educational or scientific goals) concerning the creation of a spin. But I still feel that without feedback or ideas from other people, it's somehow hard to get something started. Like Chitlesh said, a list of the software you want use would be great. > Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your > workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops > while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board > for such a spin through this email. This might be a solution, too. But nevertheless, I think feedback or ideas concerning a possible spin would be very helpful! > Thereby I invite you to join our Fedora Ambassador Project and be one > of our Fedora Ambassadors. You can also meet other Fedora Ambassadors > in your region who might help you as well for your events. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh By the way: You might also want to join our mailing list [3]. And please don't hesitate to contact me directly ;). --Sebastian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationMathSpin [3] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list From sebastian at when.com Sat Dec 20 19:38:04 2008 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:38:04 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW In-Reply-To: <494D3D22.8080306@gmail.com> References: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> <494D3779.8070701@when.com> <494D3D22.8080306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494D499C.6050406@when.com> Danishka Navin wrote: > Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin >>> wrote: [...] snip! >>>> I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) >>>> As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. >>>> Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational sofwares. >>>> Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. >>>> >>>> I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. >>>> Let it be 1.2GB as you did. >>>> Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational software. [...] snip! >>> >>> Dear Danishka, >>> >>> I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. >>> >>> If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all >>> educational software. >>> Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still >>> yum install any electronic software. >>> >>> Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the >>> FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: >>> - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time >>> - the use of educational software is vast and targets various >>> categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of >>> them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a >>> Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing >>> list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. >> >> Ping! Hi there :) >> >> Well, we've an education spin, as well as a special interest group [1] >> for educational stuff. > I have joined to the team Welcome and thanks for joining! :) >> But, er... I need to admit, the spin which you can currently grab from >> spins.fedoraproject.org only includes mathematical applications. If >> you want to get further information, you might want to look at the >> feature page here [3]. >> >> Unfortunately, it became quite calm around the Edu SIG, but I'm still >> hoping that this doesn't need to be the end. >> >> For example, you could add your name to the wiki and we can try to get >> something off the ground :). Our last meeting on IRC also happened >> some time ago - if you're interested in joining, I'd be happy to >> welcome you! >> >> I've been working on some Sugar & OLPC stuff recently, but I believe a >> spin with educational or scientific apps is still heavily needed. >> Maybe we should also expand our goals: Just focusing on mathematical >> applications might have been not the best idea. Maybe we could also >> cooperate with other groups in Fedora (with educational or scientific >> goals) concerning the creation of a spin. >> >> But I still feel that without feedback or ideas from other people, >> it's somehow hard to get something started. Like Chitlesh said, a list >> of the software you want use would be great. >> >>> Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your >>> workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops >>> while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board >>> for such a spin through this email. >> >> This might be a solution, too. But nevertheless, I think feedback or >> ideas concerning a possible spin would be very helpful! > > Hi Sebastian, > > My target is adding possible software's which covers all (but possible) > school education subjects. > > Math, Arts, Science, Language/English, Computer, Geography, Accounts, > Electronics, etc > for age range of 6 to 18 students and teachers of them. Okey dokey, this sounds really like a beginning. I think we should also evaluate, which applications we're going to include, since it doesn't really make sense to flood the spin with e.g. three geometry programs, right? Maybe we should just have a quick meeting on IRC, if you want to. How about this Monday, 1800 UTC on #fedora-edu on Freenode? If this time doesn't work for you or somebody else here around, please let me know! Rex? What do you think? And others: Of course, you're invited to join! --Sebastian >>> Thereby I invite you to join our Fedora Ambassador Project and be one >>> of our Fedora Ambassadors. You can also meet other Fedora Ambassadors >>> in your region who might help you as well for your events. >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Chitlesh >> >> By the way: You might also want to join our mailing list [3]. > Yes, I did :) >> And please don't hesitate to contact me directly ;). > > Sure! >> >> --Sebastian >> >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education >> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationMathSpin >> [3] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list From danishka at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 19:43:56 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:13:56 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW In-Reply-To: <494D499C.6050406@when.com> References: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> <494D3779.8070701@when.com> <494D3D22.8080306@gmail.com> <494D499C.6050406@when.com> Message-ID: <494D4AFC.7030207@gmail.com> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Danishka Navin wrote: >> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >>> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin >>>> wrote: > [...] snip! >>>>> I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) >>>>> As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. >>>>> Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational >>>>> sofwares. >>>>> Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. >>>>> >>>>> I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. >>>>> Let it be 1.2GB as you did. >>>>> Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational >>>>> software. > [...] snip! >>>> >>>> Dear Danishka, >>>> >>>> I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. >>>> >>>> If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all >>>> educational software. >>>> Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still >>>> yum install any electronic software. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the >>>> FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: >>>> - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time >>>> - the use of educational software is vast and targets various >>>> categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of >>>> them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a >>>> Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing >>>> list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. >>> >>> Ping! Hi there :) >>> >>> Well, we've an education spin, as well as a special interest group >>> [1] for educational stuff. >> I have joined to the team > > Welcome and thanks for joining! :) > >>> But, er... I need to admit, the spin which you can currently grab >>> from spins.fedoraproject.org only includes mathematical >>> applications. If you want to get further information, you might want >>> to look at the feature page here [3]. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it became quite calm around the Edu SIG, but I'm >>> still hoping that this doesn't need to be the end. >>> >>> For example, you could add your name to the wiki and we can try to >>> get something off the ground :). Our last meeting on IRC also >>> happened some time ago - if you're interested in joining, I'd be >>> happy to welcome you! >>> >>> I've been working on some Sugar & OLPC stuff recently, but I believe >>> a spin with educational or scientific apps is still heavily needed. >>> Maybe we should also expand our goals: Just focusing on mathematical >>> applications might have been not the best idea. Maybe we could also >>> cooperate with other groups in Fedora (with educational or >>> scientific goals) concerning the creation of a spin. >>> >>> But I still feel that without feedback or ideas from other people, >>> it's somehow hard to get something started. Like Chitlesh said, a >>> list of the software you want use would be great. >>> >>>> Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your >>>> workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops >>>> while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board >>>> for such a spin through this email. >>> >>> This might be a solution, too. But nevertheless, I think feedback or >>> ideas concerning a possible spin would be very helpful! >> >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> My target is adding possible software's which covers all (but >> possible) school education subjects. >> >> Math, Arts, Science, Language/English, Computer, Geography, Accounts, >> Electronics, etc >> for age range of 6 to 18 students and teachers of them. > > Okey dokey, this sounds really like a beginning. I think we should > also evaluate, which applications we're going to include, since it > doesn't really make sense to flood the spin with e.g. three geometry > programs, right? > yes, exactly > Maybe we should just have a quick meeting on IRC, if you want to. How > about this Monday, 1800 UTC on #fedora-edu on Freenode? If this time > doesn't work for you or somebody else here around, please let me know! my nick name is 'hanthana' Sorry, Monday I have to travel to Matale via Kandy for my 1st two_day_workshop. Btw, Right now I am online :) Danishka > > Rex? What do you think? And others: Of course, you're invited to join! > > --Sebastian > >>>> Thereby I invite you to join our Fedora Ambassador Project and be one >>>> of our Fedora Ambassadors. You can also meet other Fedora Ambassadors >>>> in your region who might help you as well for your events. >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Chitlesh >>> >>> By the way: You might also want to join our mailing list [3]. >> Yes, I did :) >>> And please don't hesitate to contact me directly ;). >> >> Sure! >>> >>> --Sebastian >>> >>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education >>> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EducationMathSpin >>> [3] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list > From danishka at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 19:54:21 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:24:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW In-Reply-To: <494D499C.6050406@when.com> References: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> <494D3779.8070701@when.com> <494D3D22.8080306@gmail.com> <494D499C.6050406@when.com> Message-ID: <494D4D6D.7080200@gmail.com> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Danishka Navin wrote: >> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >>> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin >>>> wrote: > [...] snip! >>>>> I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) >>>>> As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. >>>>> Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational >>>>> sofwares. >>>>> Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. >>>>> >>>>> I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. >>>>> Let it be 1.2GB as you did. >>>>> Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational >>>>> software. > [...] snip! >>>> >>>> Dear Danishka, >>>> >>>> I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. >>>> >>>> If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all >>>> educational software. >>>> Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still >>>> yum install any electronic software. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the >>>> FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: >>>> - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time >>>> - the use of educational software is vast and targets various >>>> categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of >>>> them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a >>>> Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing >>>> list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. >>> >>> Ping! Hi there :) >>> >>> Well, we've an education spin, as well as a special interest group >>> [1] for educational stuff. >> I have joined to the team > > Welcome and thanks for joining! :) > >>> But, er... I need to admit, the spin which you can currently grab >>> from spins.fedoraproject.org only includes mathematical >>> applications. If you want to get further information, you might want >>> to look at the feature page here [3]. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it became quite calm around the Edu SIG, but I'm >>> still hoping that this doesn't need to be the end. >>> >>> For example, you could add your name to the wiki and we can try to >>> get something off the ground :). Our last meeting on IRC also >>> happened some time ago - if you're interested in joining, I'd be >>> happy to welcome you! >>> >>> I've been working on some Sugar & OLPC stuff recently, but I believe >>> a spin with educational or scientific apps is still heavily needed. >>> Maybe we should also expand our goals: Just focusing on mathematical >>> applications might have been not the best idea. Maybe we could also >>> cooperate with other groups in Fedora (with educational or >>> scientific goals) concerning the creation of a spin. >>> >>> But I still feel that without feedback or ideas from other people, >>> it's somehow hard to get something started. Like Chitlesh said, a >>> list of the software you want use would be great. >>> >>>> Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your >>>> workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops >>>> while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board >>>> for such a spin through this email. >>> >>> This might be a solution, too. But nevertheless, I think feedback or >>> ideas concerning a possible spin would be very helpful! >> >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> My target is adding possible software's which covers all (but >> possible) school education subjects. >> >> Math, Arts, Science, Language/English, Computer, Geography, Accounts, >> Electronics, etc >> for age range of 6 to 18 students and teachers of them. > > Okey dokey, this sounds really like a beginning. I think we should > also evaluate, which applications we're going to include, since it > doesn't really make sense to flood the spin with e.g. three geometry > programs, right? > for the Fedora Edu Spin single geometry program is enough but for a 'geometry' spin we can add all geometry programs. That's what Chitlesh doing for the FEL. He is selecting all Electronic programs, but we can select only best suited program(s). Danishka > Maybe we should just have a quick meeting on IRC, if you want to. How > about this Monday, 1800 UTC on #fedora-edu on Freenode? If this time > doesn't work for you or somebody else here around, please let me know! > > Rex? What do you think? And others: Of course, you're invited to join! > > --Sebastian From danishka at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 20:06:46 2008 From: danishka at gmail.com (Danishka Navin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:36:46 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW In-Reply-To: <494D499C.6050406@when.com> References: <50baabb30812200500w7bcdb043i871439e41e0981ab@mail.gmail.com> <494D3779.8070701@when.com> <494D3D22.8080306@gmail.com> <494D499C.6050406@when.com> Message-ID: <494D5056.6080400@gmail.com> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Danishka Navin wrote: >> Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >>> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin >>>> wrote: > [...] snip! >>>>> I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) >>>>> As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. >>>>> Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational >>>>> sofwares. >>>>> Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. >>>>> >>>>> I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. >>>>> Let it be 1.2GB as you did. >>>>> Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational >>>>> software. > [...] snip! >>>> >>>> Dear Danishka, >>>> >>>> I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. >>>> >>>> If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all >>>> educational software. >>>> Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still >>>> yum install any electronic software. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the >>>> FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: >>>> - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time >>>> - the use of educational software is vast and targets various >>>> categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of >>>> them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a >>>> Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing >>>> list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. >>> >>> Ping! Hi there :) >>> >>> Well, we've an education spin, as well as a special interest group >>> [1] for educational stuff. >> I have joined to the team > > Welcome and thanks for joining! :) > >>> But, er... I need to admit, the spin which you can currently grab >>> from spins.fedoraproject.org only includes mathematical >>> applications. If you want to get further information, you might want >>> to look at the feature page here [3]. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it became quite calm around the Edu SIG, but I'm >>> still hoping that this doesn't need to be the end. >>> >>> For example, you could add your name to the wiki and we can try to >>> get something off the ground :). Our last meeting on IRC also >>> happened some time ago - if you're interested in joining, I'd be >>> happy to welcome you! >>> >>> I've been working on some Sugar & OLPC stuff recently, but I believe >>> a spin with educational or scientific apps is still heavily needed. >>> Maybe we should also expand our goals: Just focusing on mathematical >>> applications might have been not the best idea. Maybe we could also >>> cooperate with other groups in Fedora (with educational or >>> scientific goals) concerning the creation of a spin. >>> >>> But I still feel that without feedback or ideas from other people, >>> it's somehow hard to get something started. Like Chitlesh said, a >>> list of the software you want use would be great. >>> >>>> Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your >>>> workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops >>>> while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board >>>> for such a spin through this email. >>> >>> This might be a solution, too. But nevertheless, I think feedback or >>> ideas concerning a possible spin would be very helpful! >> >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> My target is adding possible software's which covers all (but >> possible) school education subjects. >> >> Math, Arts, Science, Language/English, Computer, Geography, Accounts, >> Electronics, etc >> for age range of 6 to 18 students and teachers of them. > > Okey dokey, this sounds really like a beginning. I think we should > also evaluate, which applications we're going to include, since it > doesn't really make sense to flood the spin with e.g. three geometry > programs, right? > > Maybe we should just have a quick meeting on IRC, if you want to. How > about this Monday, 1800 UTC on #fedora-edu on Freenode? If this time > doesn't work for you or somebody else here around, please let me know! 1800 UTC (local time ~ 2330) is not convenient for me during next week. ( I am away from home) How about Thursday or Friday at UTC 1200 or 1300? From aanjhan at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 18:44:10 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:44:10 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Something like this for FEL? Message-ID: It would be nice to have something liek this for FEL too http://www.staticfreesoft.com/electricLocations.html Regards, Aanjhan From aanjhan at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 18:47:42 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:47:42 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: New version of The Electric VLSI Design System In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20081223104233.0754e438@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20081223104233.0754e438@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: FYI. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steven Rubin Date: Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:42 PM Subject: New version of The Electric VLSI Design System To: discuss-gnu-electric at gnu.org Cc: info-gnu at gnu.org, electricvlsi at googlegroups.com I am pleased to announce that version 8.08 of the Electric VLSI Design System is now available. This release includes many improvements and bug fixes. Notable improvements include a faster ERC well check and a new fill generator. Visit us at www.staticfreesoft.com for downloads and documentation. As always, the source code is free. Happy designing! -Steven Rubin P.S. A new feature on the Static Free Software website is a map showing the location of all Electric users in the world: http://www.staticfreesoft.com/electricLocations.html Find yourself and see who is near you. I welcome all comments and updates to this page. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Electric VLSI Editor" group. To post to this group, send email to electricvlsi at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to electricvlsi+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/electricvlsi?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -- Aanjhan ------------ http://www.tuxmaniac.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 23 23:28:33 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:28:33 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: New version of The Electric VLSI Design System In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20081223104233.0754e438@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812231528k52a3b7bdkfdcd5631dccff519@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > FYI. > I have packaged 8.08 only for rawhide. you can pluck it from koji. I will first wait the review of jogl to be completed before updating electric in F-9 and F-10 branch. Jogl provides opengl support for electric. I don't want to dump releases like that. However if you want to electric 8.08 to be in F-9 and F-10 updates, please help with jogl's review. Updating software is not my priority now, until I get all the feature items of F-11 done. JohnCiesla will want me complete those feature items before I submit him FEL's feature list. Since last week, we have now more vhdl support via perl: Already in repositories: - perl-Hardware-Vhdl-Parser - vhd2vl Approved, but not yet built on koji: - perl-Hardware-Vhdl-Tidy - perl-Hardware-Vhdl-Lexer Thus with these tools fedora users can easily create their own scripts to : - autogenerate testbenches - identify gated clocks .... from their designs More verilog support to come early january. I have quite a handful of perl verilog packages already packaged at my place. Just need time to submit for review and people willing to review. By the way aanjhaan, I haven't heard from you with respect to the menu structure. I have done my research and was hoping to bring forward a proposal to FESCo and later on Freedesktop.org. Should I wait for you ? I also find it stupid from freedesktop.org that they consider "engineering" category to be edutainment. Thereby octace/qtoctave and scilab will be tagged as "entertainment". No wonder why people prefer matlab before even considering octave or scilab. F-11 alpha will be out soon next year, better get all the proposals to FESCo as soon as possible. Currently, I'm submitting all patches/comments to different upstream so that they can fix it upstream. If anyone finds or identifies something that needs to be fixed please say so. Are there any updates from those who suggested docs/examples ? geda&gaf are pushed to stable releases and soon on EL-5 branch once I get libgeda and libstroke into the chainbuild. cheers, Chitlesh