From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 10:03:44 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:03:44 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: db-compat In-Reply-To: <1226293343.30170.4.camel@jcmlaptop> References: <1226293343.30170.4.camel@jcmlaptop> Message-ID: <50baabb30811100203p6e7e2e23y17a5fa048574d283@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > Hi, > > It would seem we're no longer shipping libdb-4.1.so, whereas we do have > 4.2, 4.3, and 4.5 in that db4 compatibility package. I wound up just > stealing the binary from an older RPM and copying it in place. > > Anyway, software like Xilinx's ISE/EDK would like it back :) > > Jon. Jindrich Novy, can you package it for us, please ? Xilinx ISE/EDK is also an important tool for me :) Chitlesh From jnovy at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 15:39:37 2008 From: jnovy at redhat.com (Jindrich Novy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:39:37 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: db-compat In-Reply-To: <50baabb30811100203p6e7e2e23y17a5fa048574d283@mail.gmail.com> References: <1226293343.30170.4.camel@jcmlaptop> <50baabb30811100203p6e7e2e23y17a5fa048574d283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081111153937.GA3487@dhcp-lab-186.brq.redhat.com> Hi, On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:03:44AM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It would seem we're no longer shipping libdb-4.1.so, whereas we do have > > 4.2, 4.3, and 4.5 in that db4 compatibility package. I wound up just > > stealing the binary from an older RPM and copying it in place. > > > > Anyway, software like Xilinx's ISE/EDK would like it back :) > > > > Jon. > > Jindrich Novy, can you package it for us, please ? > Xilinx ISE/EDK is also an important tool for me :) not a problem. I needed to change the compat-db structure anyway to be easily extendable for older BDBs. Actually the current rawhide compat-db is just a dummy package containing only Requires to compat-db45 and compat-db46. It doesn't seem to be too hard to add compat-db41, 42 and 43 subpackages. But I will let the main compat-db be dependent on the 4.5 and 4.6 BDBs only, so that the older compat-dbs would need to be installed/required separately. HTH, Jindrich > > Chitlesh -- Jindrich Novy http://people.redhat.com/jnovy/ From rmeggins at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 15:42:36 2008 From: rmeggins at redhat.com (Rich Megginson) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: db-compat In-Reply-To: <20081111153937.GA3487@dhcp-lab-186.brq.redhat.com> References: <1226293343.30170.4.camel@jcmlaptop> <50baabb30811100203p6e7e2e23y17a5fa048574d283@mail.gmail.com> <20081111153937.GA3487@dhcp-lab-186.brq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4919A7EC.9010208@redhat.com> Jindrich Novy wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:03:44AM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Jon Masters wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It would seem we're no longer shipping libdb-4.1.so, whereas we do have >>> 4.2, 4.3, and 4.5 in that db4 compatibility package. I wound up just >>> stealing the binary from an older RPM and copying it in place. >>> >>> Anyway, software like Xilinx's ISE/EDK would like it back :) >>> >>> Jon. >>> >> Jindrich Novy, can you package it for us, please ? >> Xilinx ISE/EDK is also an important tool for me :) >> > > not a problem. I needed to change the compat-db structure anyway to be > easily extendable for older BDBs. Actually the current rawhide > compat-db is just a dummy package containing only Requires to > compat-db45 and compat-db46. It doesn't seem to be too hard to add > compat-db41, 42 and 43 subpackages. But I will let the main compat-db > be dependent on the 4.5 and 4.6 BDBs only, so that the older > compat-dbs would need to be installed/required separately. > Would it be possible to also have a compat-db-devel package that includes the db.h from the older releases? Or does this sort of defeat the purpose of "compat"? > HTH, > Jindrich > > >> Chitlesh >> > > From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:02:07 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:02:07 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Deploying FEL for Centos/RHEL 5 users on EPEL Message-ID: <50baabb30811121302v6d553fe8n5a6d8094462f9703@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, This email is cross-posted on: - fedora electronic lab mailing list - fedora epel mailing list - centos devel mailing list - fedora marketing mailing list It describes briefly what FEL and EPEL (if case you don't know) are and my intentions for this deployment. FEL stands for Fedora Electronic Laboratory. The later is about packaging, maintaining and shipping electronic simulation packages for real hardware development. It was initially started with my passion for ASIC design, but now covers various design tools for: * Digital Simulation * VLSI Layout and Verification * RTL and logic synthesis design flows * Circuit Simulation * PCB Layout and Circuit Design * Micro Controller (?C) Programming and Embedded Systems Development http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ Now we are about roughly 8 contributors. It is already more than 2 years since the early bits of FEL were introduced to Fedora repositories. Many other Fedora packagers and Fedora-Arm SIG have contributed a lot this success as well. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM Packaging is good, but is not enough. One of the main goals is to act as CAD/EDA engineers and bring open source hardware design tools to a meaningful usage and ensure interoperability within the design flows. We are thriving for interoperability, because without this, design tools are useless and even if its open source. Most of these packages have not yet been packaged for any other distributions. More specific details on the blog posts. http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/ Building a community and do marketing around FEL is also another of our priorities and a _hard_ task. Knowledge in electronics is advised and recommended :) I have received a lot of suggestions to deploy FEL on EPEL repositories so that Centos and RHEL users can use them on a longer basis. As many universities around the world have deployed enterprise-class Linux distributions such as Centos and RHEL, I believe users, lecturers and designers can largely benefit from the EPEL repositories. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL http://www.centos.org/ I have no idea whether Scientific Linux can take advantage of these intentions or not. If you do, let me know. In the past and even till now, I had very good experiences with Centos contributors. With some of the Centos contributors, we (fedora) even shared booths and devrooms in Belgium and Germany. If ever a Centos packager is already packaging any electronic simulation packages, please send us a mail in our brand new mailing list. We looking forward to hear from you. We'll be glad if we can work together. I'm focussing on EPEL 5. As I'm writing, only %1 of the work for building FEL packages for EPEL repositories has been done. Thus during the Fedora 11 development cycle, most of the work will be carried out and dependencies solve, at least mine. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/chitlesh Nevertheless, some new tools will find their way to FEL very soon, e.g: verilator. The packages that I or any FEL contributor will push to EPEL repositories will not be as cutting-edge as they will on supported Fedora repositories. In the upcoming months, which I'm waiting for which desperately, we will see more mixed-level simulation support on the FEL platform. Now, FEL 10 will be out soon at the end of this month as a LiveDVD and packages are yum-able from fedora's repositories. Your suggestions and critics are welcome. We are only a small group of contributors who are working on a very specific application, "hardware design tools" and making their upstream benefit from the open source eco system. FEL has a lot of success since its official F8 release, and we are keen to keep that going and extend our umbrella. thanks and kind regards, Chitlesh GOORAH From shakthimaan at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 05:29:24 2008 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:59:24 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Deploying FEL for Centos/RHEL 5 users on EPEL In-Reply-To: <50baabb30811121302v6d553fe8n5a6d8094462f9703@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30811121302v6d553fe8n5a6d8094462f9703@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: | Nevertheless, some new tools will find their way to FEL very soon, | e.g: verilator. \-- We can see if we could deploy FEL in IIT-M labs and ask them to do any collaborative projects to push upstream as well as use it in their course curriculum? Aanjhan and myself did some workshop for Dr. Nitin et. al. some time back: http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~nitin/ SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From aanjhan at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 11:00:56 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:00:56 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Roadmap of FEL - Discussion Message-ID: Heya folks!! Now that F10 is frozen, we must start activity for F11. As a result we would like to meet up in #fedora-electronic tonight at 2100 hrs CEST for a brief discussion. The Agenda will be mainly focusing on the road-map, immediate to-dos. Thanks for being there and sorry for the short notice. Reggies. -- Aanjhan From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 11:21:01 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:21:01 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Roadmap of FEL - Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811150321g7c924f8bva5a9e077b54f9e62@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > Heya folks!! > > Now that F10 is frozen, we must start activity for F11. As a result we > would like to meet up in #fedora-electronic tonight at 2100 hrs CEST > for a brief discussion. The Agenda will be mainly focusing on the > road-map, immediate to-dos. > > Thanks for being there and sorry for the short notice. Hello, Hmm, this isn't what I agreed on having a meeting. But if you want to have a meeting it is not a problem, I'll be online. I'm still waiting for your suggestions for F11: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-electronic-lab-list/2008-October/msg00003.html As for what I personally what to see are at least the following: - more EPEL support, I already got 3 inside - seek fedora-arm SIG experience to get better arm support on the livedvd. (I'm referring to hardware development wrt to arm and not porting the whole fedora collection to the arm arch) - more FEL specific documentation - improve FEL deployment + adding an electronic category to the menus (fedora's comps.xml) - more CAD/EDA oriented, than RPM packagers - a "trac" demo on the FEL11 how CAD engineers can also tak advantage of FEL, not only designers. I had prepared this, last week, but still I'm still waiting for your suggestions, before assigning task to specific heads. :) http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/FEL11_devel_timeline.html I hope, during tonight's meeting, we could update it. Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 11:34:16 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:16 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Roadmap of FEL - Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811150334r5b2c8c5as192fba3325035645@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > Heya folks!! > > As a result we > would like to meet up in #fedora-electronic tonight at 2100 hrs CEST > for a brief discussion. Rectification: Actually, we already have a meeting room: #fedora-meeting and it is free during our time slots. Several Fedora projects and groups use the #fedora-meeting channel on IRC for their regular meetings. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel I prefer we do like other sub-fedora-projects do, use the #fedora-meeting channel for meetings. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 22:20:08 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:20:08 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: How to use FEL ? In-Reply-To: <491EF9E9.5090905@gmail.com> References: <20081113170012.69DB661A93B@hormel.redhat.com> <491EF9E9.5090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30811151420r7e170bc1ue29de61d91327000@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Danishka Navin < > wrote: > Hi Chitlesh , Hello Danishka > Is it possible to install FEL using F9 or F10 DVD ? do we need extra > repository? FEL includes packages only from official fedora repositories and are default in any fedora installed system. You don't need to install any other repository. This is one of the goals of FEL quick deployment of design tools. You can take any Fedora dvd or livecd to install, then you can yum install any package you would like.. > And what about FEL with Fedora LiveCD? FEL on a Fedora LiveCD is the FEL LiveDVD. It will be released as torrent, on the 25 november 2008, However if you want to create your own FEL livedvd, follow this small tutorial http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/livedvd.html > Coz, I can introduce FEL to school education system in Sri Lanka. Thanks that will be cool. Let's us know how we could assist you if we can. Currently, I'm updating this document: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/fel-flyer8.pdf By next weekend you can have an updated version on: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ > Appreciate your help. > > Best Regards, > Danishka >> Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 16 11:00:36 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:00:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: FEL Contributor In-Reply-To: <200811131210.06967.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200811131210.06967.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811160300u721cdf1dqdd21cb3e82202f77@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:09 PM, JoergSimon wrote: > Hello Chitlesh, Thibault > > as you know i have started to support Kyrgyzstan to build another Homebase for > Fedora in Central Asia. Today Mirlan - our new Fellow - told me he is > thinking about, giving a talk about FEL. Great! If i do a lucky shot it is > always a Electronic Student ;) > I recommend Mirlan as a trustworthy fellow and i am sure you can help him in > starting as a FEL Contributor. Hello Joerg and everyone one, Thanks joerg :) Mirlan, welcome to the team. As you have most probably heard of FEL (Fedora Electronic Lab). http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL Fedora Electronic Lab consists of contributors like us, who are working hard so that Fedora could provide a complete electronic simulation platform using Fedora Infrastructure for that. This Infrastructure consists of Fedora Ambassadors (marketing and recruiting), mailing lists, Release engineers, livedvd,... This explains "Fedora"'s presence in FEL. We believe that with Fedora's already matured infrastructure, we can focus more on electronics and produce quick outcomes. Please join FEL's mailing list and introduce yourself and let us know how you can contribute to FEL. We will be glad to hear from you. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list Kind regards, Chitlesh - From aanjhan at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 11:17:03 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:03 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: FEL Contributor In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0811160300u721cdf1dqdd21cb3e82202f77@mail.gmail.com> References: <200811131210.06967.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0811160300u721cdf1dqdd21cb3e82202f77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Mirlan, welcome to the team. > As you have most probably heard of FEL (Fedora Electronic Lab). > http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL Hi Mirlan, Welcome! Folks, this reminds me the undiscussed point in yesterday's meeting. "Quick To Do stuff for potential contributors". It would be nice if we can get a wiki page going wrt "To Do" stuff so that incoming people can have a look and right away start contributing. Regards, Aanjhan From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 16 17:17:02 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:17:02 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: FEL Contributor In-Reply-To: References: <200811131210.06967.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0811160300u721cdf1dqdd21cb3e82202f77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811161817.08348.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> The FEL Team is faster then light! ;) Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 12:17:03 schrieb Aanjhan R: > Folks, this reminds me the undiscussed point in yesterday's meeting. > "Quick To Do stuff for potential contributors". It would be nice if we > can get a wiki page going wrt "To Do" stuff so that incoming people > can have a look and right away start contributing That is really funny, because on the yesterday?s FAD we had a similar idea ;) The Point was: collect concrete needed contributions in any form, which can not covered for certain reasons within the SIG or Group, right now. Send this Tasks to educational institutions, which are related to it. You are ahead of the Ambassador team to put this idea into practice. If you will send it to educational Institutions, your feedback would be great - if not - it would be great if you give us permission to use the tasks you collect, to get in touch and for hiring new contributors! Thanks CU Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mip1983 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 11:44:04 2008 From: mip1983 at yahoo.com (mir ip) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:44:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Hi FEL. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <278124.46426.qm@web36306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys. Thank you for welcome. I am sure we will do nice jobs together. Best regards, Mirlan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnorth at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 17 18:14:42 2008 From: tnorth at fedoraproject.org (Thibault North) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:14:42 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Hi FEL. In-Reply-To: <278124.46426.qm@web36306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <278124.46426.qm@web36306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200811171314.42260.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Le Monday, 17. November 2008 06:44:04 am mir ip, vous avez ?crit?: > Hi guys. Thank you for welcome. > I am sure we will do nice jobs together. > Best regards, > Mirlan Hi Mirlan, Welcome here ! And thanks for getting involved :) Hope to discuss with you a bit more in the following days/month ! I heard you were to talk about FEL soon ? If you need documents or such things, i'll be happy to send them to you. Also feel free to ask anything here or by mail, sharing our experiences with FEL is always a good point for everyone to go forwards. Cheers, Thibault From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 22:11:20 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:11:20 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: FEL Contributor In-Reply-To: <200811161817.08348.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200811131210.06967.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0811160300u721cdf1dqdd21cb3e82202f77@mail.gmail.com> <200811161817.08348.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811171411n45e88d7k505fa29ac54ae4f3@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM, JoergSimon <> wrote: > The FEL Team is faster then light! ;) > > That is really funny, because on the yesterday?s FAD we had a similar idea ;) > The Point was: collect concrete needed contributions in any form, which can > not covered for certain reasons within the SIG or Group, right now. Send this > Tasks to educational institutions, which are related to it. > You are ahead of the Ambassador team to put this idea into practice. > If you will send it to educational Institutions, your feedback would be > great - if not - it would be great if you give us permission to use the tasks > you collect, to get in touch and for hiring new contributors! Hello , During our FEL meeting, I presented a gantt diagram to manage different tasks of FEL development and maintenance. [1] http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/devel/FEL_devel_timeline.html It will be constantly be updated to track the progress we are doing behind, while syncing with different F-11 releases. It also accounts the free time we can allocate from our private life. This list will definitely grow in the near future. So as a Fedora Ambassador, one could use this page to : - market fedora electronic lab - "recruit" new contributors - invite users to communicate more with us about what they want from this electronic simulation platform. - assign people to specific tasks on [1] , based out their experience. The progress of each task is accounted in %. The exact project management was used since FEL 8 development cycle. So, it will surely work again. Maybe it can be taken as example or enhanced for the ambassadors. Kind regards, Chitlesh Kind regards. From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 17 22:18:23 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:18:23 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: FEL Contributor In-Reply-To: References: <200811131210.06967.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <13dbfe4f0811160300u721cdf1dqdd21cb3e82202f77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811171418n757ff5cbnc80e2363859f99e3@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > Folks, this reminds me the undiscussed point in yesterday's meeting. > "Quick To Do stuff for potential contributors". It would be nice if we > can get a wiki page going wrt "To Do" stuff so that incoming people > can have a look and right away start contributing. The following was what I presented during the meeting: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/devel/FEL_devel_timeline.html I _may_ be looking forward to introduce some tools for the XMOS development. Yes, XMOS :) https://www.xmos.com/ I have a friend that I may meet sometime early 2009. He is working on some XMOS eda tools for his company. I've briefly invited him to join FEL with his XMOS development kits. We decided to meet face-to-face to discuss next time he comes to Europe. But if he really pushes his work to FEL, damn, FEL will be among the first (compared to big EDA vendors) who will be providing such development environment. I'm excited. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 22:21:21 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:21:21 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Hi FEL. In-Reply-To: <278124.46426.qm@web36306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <278124.46426.qm@web36306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811171421v41a37480ie84ca67f5aa5c54a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM, mir ip wrote: > Hi guys. Thank you for welcome. > I am sure we will do nice jobs together. > Best regards, > Mirlan > Hello Mirlan, I'll work on updating the FEL flyers before 29th Nov. Hence you might be using them. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 18:27:53 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:27:53 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] git FEL repo: your developer's corner Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811181027p6fd674cbp8aa83bbd9937f500@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, You had in the past some discussion on having some materials on how to use FEL apps in order to welcome more users. Well now there is possible to bring forward your materials, we have received a git repository from Fedora Infrastructure. I have detailed the process of acquiring write access to this repository here : http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/contribution.html If seriously, we have some nice set of materials on that repository, we could eventually create a RPM package for F-11 :) Kind regards, Chitlesh From aanjhan at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 19:44:51 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:44:51 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.in Talk on Fedora Electronics Laboratory Message-ID: Hello Folks, As some of you already know, I will be making a presentation on Fedora Electronics Laboratory at FOSS.IN in a week and a half and have come up with some topics I will be covering there below. This talk is mainly intended at presenting a developer point of view of FEL (of course an introduction will be given). - Introduction to FEL (Packages, philosophy, why fel?) - Current Status of FEL - Future Roadmap - Developer Opportunities (Am still listing down the tasks gathering mostly from the roadmap like unpackaged packages, testbench creation, documentation) Is there some other major topic that you guys suggest? A gentle reminder that this is a developer oriented conference that aims at creating more Free Software contributors and just not users. [1] http://foss.in/2008/schedules/ Regards, -- Aanjhan From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 22:43:58 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:43:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.in Talk on Fedora Electronics Laboratory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811181443j7c04b2c2x850527a69273c134@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > Is there some other major topic that you guys suggest? A gentle > reminder that this is a developer oriented conference that aims at > creating more Free Software contributors and just not users. Hello this brings in an additional todo : - we need to have a OOo template for everyone. I'll try to get that in time Please, do talk about ktechlab development team is constantly "reviving". (3 times since the beginning of this year). We will be happy to have people who are willing to port: -ktechlab -piklab to QT4. It's already the 2nd time Fedora is having KDE4 default. I guess soon Qt3 will be obsolete for Fedora. Cheers, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 22:46:32 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:46:32 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.in Talk on Fedora Electronics Laboratory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811181446r1c15002q4738adb1a981064a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > [1] http://foss.in/2008/schedules/ That's indeed great news. It's nice that you will be surrounded by Fedora community during that event. Can we get your slides ready by this december ? I'll be willing to review it :) And add a small note on PyCell :) Cheers, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 18:56:37 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:56:37 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] upstream/users versus ticketing service Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811201056p29aa112exe1a269114afedf08@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, As part of having more public and quick interaction from many upstream, we have set up a ticketing service on https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-electronic-lab/ This ticketing service is not a replacement of bugzilla. This ticketing service is to allow upstream a painless interaction with us. Users can also use it to give us tips how to improve our electronic simulation and design platform so that they can take advantage of a painless FEL deployment. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 15:41:43 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:41:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] electric spec file Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811220741s1240e586g4020b991e113cca6@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Aanjhaan, I know you are busy creating your slides for FEL. I took the initiative to update electric spec file: It can be found here along with the SRPM and RPMS. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/electric Could you do some testing please, before I submit for reviewing. Perhaps you can do an official review of electric for me. Also IRSIM support on electric disabled because it doesn't compile with the gnu-like java environment. Kind regards, Chitlesh From aanjhan at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 09:36:40 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:36:40 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] electric spec file In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0811220741s1240e586g4020b991e113cca6@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0811220741s1240e586g4020b991e113cca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Could you do some testing please, before I submit for reviewing. > Perhaps you can do an official review of electric for me. Review can be taken up during FOSS.IN The advantage is that we have more Fedora contributors there and easy peer review can be done. So I will give you the feedback tomorrow morning CEST after doing some preliminary tests and you can submit it for review. We can close this review ticket at foss.in along with few peers :-) See you and thanks for the spec. Aanjhan From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 10:33:58 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:33:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Fedora FEL In-Reply-To: <49262852.2010306@sbcglobal.net> References: <49262852.2010306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <50baabb30811230233s7196ee1ifcc03dc77c14278c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Paul Tomlinson wrote: > Chitlesh, > I have read your presentation on FEL for Fedora8. If you have some time I > would like to ask you some questions about the setup. > > I have downloaded the Live CD and plan to build a system. > > Regards, > Paul Tomlinson > Hello Paul, Yes, I have time for anything related to FEL. Please do ask your questions. Fedora 10 will come out on the 25th of november, so you can download the new livedvd of FEL from http://fedoraproject.org on that day. The livedvd of FEL will be available as a torrent file and can downloaded via azureus. To build a system from the FEL Livedvd is very easy. First prepare a partition if you are dual-booting. Then boot from the livedvd, on the desktop, there is an icon that will help you start the install procedure. If you have any questions or recommendation, feel free to contact us. We have a mailing list dedicated for FEL discussions: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list Kind regards, Chitlesh GOORAH From chitlesh at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 12:37:52 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:37:52 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] electric spec file In-Reply-To: References: <13dbfe4f0811220741s1240e586g4020b991e113cca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811230437s490176fmab3ac0fdd6581b7a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Aanjhan R wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: >> Could you do some testing please, before I submit for reviewing. >> Perhaps you can do an official review of electric for me. > > Review can be taken up during FOSS.IN The advantage is that we have > more Fedora contributors there and easy peer review can be done. So I > will give you the feedback tomorrow morning CEST after doing some > preliminary tests and you can submit it for review. We can close this > review ticket at foss.in along with few peers :-) > > See you and thanks for the spec. > Aanjhan > Another todo item : Scilab review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472639 Scilab requires a some dependencies that need to be reviewed as well. See the "depends on" on the above urls. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 12:41:41 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:41:41 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] electric spec file In-Reply-To: References: <13dbfe4f0811220741s1240e586g4020b991e113cca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811230441x7425b6d9mfd6707b28ae4a5f9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Aanjhan Rwrote: > > Review can be taken up during FOSS.IN The advantage is that we have > more Fedora contributors there and easy peer review can be done. Review request for electric: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472684 From aanjhan at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 10:39:35 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:09:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.IN Presentation - Review submission Message-ID: Hi folks, Please check the presentation which will be given at FOSS.IN in the below link http://tuxmaniac.fedorapeople.org/DOCS/FEL_foss_in.pdf I am waiting to hear your valuable feedbacks and suggestions. We shall also be discussing them in this Tuesday's FEL meeting. The proposed timing is 1930 hrs CEST. But Fedora-meeting channel seems to be occupied. Chitlesh, can you please confirm another place? Some points regarding the presentation: 1. I would like to add some more info on the current status. Suggestions welcome 2. Is there a need for a separate slide on "Contributing Opportunities" which very much is going to be similar/in-line with Future Work slides? 3. I have consciously tried to avoid too much details on specifics of FEL tools as this is more of a call for participation kind of talk (hopefully it is ;) ) Since we are all split across time zones (as it was not the case sometime back, also indication of growth of FEL Team :) ), you can always post your views in this list and we shall take it up during the discussion. With Best Regards, -- Aanjhan From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 13:39:20 2008 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:09:20 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.IN Presentation - Review submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: | 3. I have consciously tried to avoid too much details on specifics of | FEL tools as this is more of a call for participation kind of talk | (hopefully it is ;) ) \-- * You should atleast put the screenshot of tools available. End of the talk people should know what tools are available, and by looking at the screenshots they should know what they will be working with. A picture is a 1000 words! * Please provide this mailing list link so people can subscribe to it. A direct link helps rather than people having to find it through other means. Or put a separate slide for "Contact" information, and links to e-mail, mailing list, IRC et. al. Just my two cents, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From sdb at cloud9.net Mon Nov 24 14:36:58 2008 From: sdb at cloud9.net (Stuart Brorson) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:36:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.IN Presentation - Review submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > | 3. I have consciously tried to avoid too much details on specifics of > | FEL tools as this is more of a call for participation kind of talk > | (hopefully it is ;) ) > > * You should atleast put the screenshot of tools available. End of the > talk people should know what tools are available, and by looking at > the screenshots they should know what they will be working with. A > picture is a 1000 words! Just to speak up with a suggestion about screenshots: There are currently some nice gEDA screenshot up at the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geda Please feel free to use them in any presentation you give. Stuart From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 20:10:30 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:10:30 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.IN Presentation - Review submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811241210o55ad6024ma22f1feb497207e5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Aanjhan R wrote: > I am waiting to hear your valuable feedbacks and suggestions. > > Some points regarding the presentation: > 1. I would like to add some more info on the current status. Suggestions welcome > 2. Is there a need for a separate slide on "Contributing > Opportunities" which very much is going to be similar/in-line with > Future Work slides? > 3. I have consciously tried to avoid too much details on specifics of > FEL tools as this is more of a call for participation kind of talk > (hopefully it is ;) ) Hello, First, I would like to thank Aanjhan for his courage to participate in FOSS.in. I believe in you. Personal note to Aanjhan: Don't forget you will be talking under the name of fedora and for fedora on that day (and most certainly under a fedora polo shirt). I have been talking with Fedora-Art this weekend and they are proposing that every OOo document should have the same template. Mairin has already brought forward and put into practice the idea to use "MgOpen Data regular" font in all Fedora slides. Paul Frields and others support this idea. I spent the weekend creating the template while using this font. I feel it doesn't fit for FEL presentations for the following reasons: - ? and other mathematical symbols show like a square box - bold characters reflects a kiddie style presentation. [1: more details on my personal marketing strategy, below] Thus, after many trials, Liberation Sans looks be more compatible with other Fedora presentations with the "MgOpen Data regular" font and also more professional. Liberation fonts can be downloaded via yum. [2] Thereby, I would like you to adopt this template and drop the black background as well as the orange text in favour to blue: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/docs/fel_template.odp Let's be consistent with other fedora presentations. Also as this is the first FEL10 presentation, I would like it to be the model that other presentations should follow. Removed all Copyrights from the slides ! You have already signed CLA and your fedora contributions are safely guarded with it. >> Need for more collaboration among the Free Software EDA developers a.k.a Interoperability :) It is not the "need", but it was lacking ! Lack of collaboration and directions in development. Page 4: >>From a handful of tools to a complete simulation platform Please also do mention during the presentation that, all this was only and only possible due to already existing development fedora infrastructure. People need to know that FEL wasn't come out of the blue, but after Fedora Infrastructure has given developers like us materials so that we can focus on our FEL developments: - mailing list - livecd, livedvd torrent hosting - livedvd kickstart and spin creation tools - approval to use Fedora trademarks - git/trac, 150mb personal hosting - ... e.g: RedHat lawyers talked to SystemC developers to ask them opt for a more "open" license. But in vain. However thanks to TomCallaway. A short reminder(yes I will keep on talking ... :) ), we don't do only packaging ! We don't do only packaging ! We follow the need of the users, while keeping us informed with current industry process and changes. This is what makes FEL development so unique. The end users don't see it. So during the presentation, It would be nice to remind them. As for achievements, please do say that : 2008-01-18 FEL LiveCD shipped with YOU Magazine in ASIA "You magazine" bundled Fedora Electronics Lab Live CD. This print magazine claims to be the only Asian print magazine dedicated to Linux and has tens of thousands of copies circulation rate. Since they also run a sister magazine called Electronics For You, they have a good interest in electronics which probably explains the choice. [3] [4] Page 6: >> Upstream <--> FEL <--> Upstream There are 2 items that are missing : - Users - Daily documents we follow to keep FEL to industry standard ! I do it. However, being only 3 now working on FEL, it's enough to get those ideas into practice. >> Push more packages into "Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL)" Add a "5" at the end of this line Do mention during the presentation - for RHEL5, CentOS 5, Scientific Linux More to come in the next mail (after dinner :) ) [1: more details on my personal marketing strategy] I have never ever limited FEL use for home users only. My main target is universities. During the last 2 years, I have been more in contact with many Field Application Engineers. Thus, listening to their internals problems with EDA tools and what issues their CAD engineers are facing. Talking "opensource" to them is : - no direct reliable contact in their point of view. - not mature, compared to big EDA vendors. - 24h support Since Synopsys, Cadence and Mentor Graphics are actively contributing to their OpenAccess environment. Companies are ready to have a look. I _believe_ that if they have a look and were taught the Opensource licenses by a lawyer(I'm leaning on RH's lawyers if it would be the case), they will unleash some of their internal tools. Thereby, more contribution to opensource upstream projects. It is a long shot, I'm targeting but at least it is a clear one for me. Hence you would have already deduced why I constantly request quality in our presentations and work. [2]: http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ [3]: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-January/msg00154.html [4]: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/you.png Cheers, Chitlesh Goorah From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 21:39:46 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:39:46 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.IN Presentation - Review submission In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0811241210o55ad6024ma22f1feb497207e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0811241210o55ad6024ma22f1feb497207e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811241339o152c307bib9eb6617d78b7662@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > More to come in the next mail (after dinner :) ) Hello there again, The review continues: Page 7: >> LiveDVD Tuning ? experience with kickstart I don't know what you mean by that . Normally, if you look at our kickstart file [1]: Together with Jereon, we have dropped all OS related issues for creating FEL livedvd, by just listing: - kde-livecd ks (which requires the livecd.base) - FEL packages - FEL specific post settings >From now on, we don't have any thing to do with the FEL ks, aside adding extra packages. All the hardcore work is done by Fedora Release Engineers + Red Hat engineers. Sometimes there are minor things to correct, but that won't take one day. But testing requires a lot of time. >> Co-operation with Desktop teams like Gnome, KDE etc. for Menu category discussions Currently there is NO co-operation with KDE and Gnome! There were some discussion between Debian devs, freedesktop devs, electronics-menu upstream and I. But it ended where it started. I guess you misunderstood my future proposals to FESCo. One of the proposals will consist on setting a new _Fedora_ packaging guidelines on packages that land their %{name}.desktop in the science&maths KDE/GNOME menus. The intention is to avoid multiple desktop menu entries by Scientific packages such as Octave and Qtoctave. The packaging guidelines that I will propose (together with Fedora KDE maintainer KevinKolfer) will also ensure that scientific applications such as Scilab which don't include a desktop file among their sources, have a proper Category entry in their fedora SRPM package. The reason that there is no cooperation with KDE and Gnome on this matter is simply because it doesn't concern them !. It concerns the freedesktop menu entries. Their devs have acknowledged the actual confusion with "science" menu category with "education" category. Once the packaging guidelines which I'll write in the upcoming weeks will be adopted by FESCo, it will be easier to get Debian involved as well to push these to Freedesktop devs. Thus the desktop ecosystem will benefit from it. Since, no one has stepped up to take such responsabilities and based on my limited time, I guess it is the only way to get the job done. >> Increase the availability of quick start tutorials and examples as a package itself Currently there are only one/two mailing list post about this. NO ONE has taken the initiative to do such thing. Unless there is a formal statement from someone, you can't add/talk about it. All FEL packages include their upstream documents and examples in their rpms or sub packages, such as -doc. Currently neither you(aanjhan), Thibault and I have agreed on such a work. --- ... talk about scilab, we are striving currently to get all its required BuildRequires: approved before F11. >> Page 9, A short note: I don't recall what her name is, but she took this photo during one of our measurements and later the group did post processing of the datas on LabPlot and octave+homemade quaternions models. this applies to anyone: If you have any doubt about anything, anything, even the stupidiest thing about FEL, feel free to talk about it to be _before_ the presentation. And be sure when you talk about something, to be able to answer questions about it. It is not a shame for not being able to answer a question during the presentation. It is normal and even my case. Tell them that honestly you don't know, but the mailing list is here for that. I always say "Humans aren't met to know everything." Kind regards, Chitlesh [1]: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/livedvd.html From chitlesh at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 22:27:09 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] One thing I hate with Open software activists Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811241427o100d6043r6a56ca0fa3288c8a@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, below is my very own opinion: What is free software ? (don't answer me, I know it) GNU people talk about free software ! However in most of their presentations, they specified: "free software" is not "free and open source software". Confusing that maybe, "free software" like systemc, tlm and others are left aside by the opensource communities. Before giving me any revelants lectures on the licenses, please do take some time to think : Think about who developed those tools ? Actually what are those companies that developed systemc, tlm ... ? They are Cadence, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics, ... Three enemies. But they work together on something. Weird, uh? something that can be downloaded by everyone for free. All ASIC design centres have at least a systemc installation. Just imagine industry-approved design tools developed by leading EDA companies for Free and easy download with yum ! What I want you to see here is :-> Leading communities are developing opensource applications. They have made their first step already. Have a look at : Example : http://www.opensourceliberty.org/ Pay attention to Synopsys contributions in respect to CCS. Why hasn't this format being used with GNU-compatible OpenSource EDA tools ? (Aanjhaan, this is a question you can ask during your presentation for people to think). Now, another case : why and why do opensource communities talk about open source software and NOT opensource HARDWARE ? Aside openmoko and friends. Ah yes, there is opensparc.[1] You have most certainly heard that last august. Hardware related materials are free, but only useful for proprietary software from Cadence and Synopsys. Do you know that Canonical/Ubuntu also contribute for opensparc [2]? Here what I want to show you is: People use "opensource" wordings for commercial marketing, but opensparc is a good initiave. However, no one cares about the "open hardware designed with opensource EDA tools". Pay attention to "no one cares" in the above sentence. This is a problem for me. A problem ! We have so many good EDA developers (I'm referring to upstream) who are doing a fantastic job. There are a lot opensource data (hardware related) scattered on the web. Most of the time upstream doesn't have time, resources or even not aware of these materials. This is what FEL was meant to be (when I first introduced FEL to my sponsor, Hans de Goede), bring down the gap that bridge these 2 worlds. We are met to do more than just packaging. Those who attended the KDE akademy in Belgium this year, will remember good presentations about projects involving hardware development. None used opensource EDA tool !! None !! During FOSS.in there will be a beagleboard presentation. A nice thing from Texas Instrument (Thibault will remember we went to talk to them) . But doesn't support opensource EDA tools. My point is that opensource software isn't only about OOo,kernel,KDE,gnome, but also opensource EDA tools. I won't talk much but products from gEDA, toped and opencircuitdesign have reached their maturity. People need to spread the word. [1]:http://www.opensparc.net/ [2]:http://www.opensparc.net/faqs/opensparc-t2/ Kind regards, Chitlesh From tnorth at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 24 23:01:24 2008 From: tnorth at fedoraproject.org (Thibault North) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] One thing I hate with Open software activists In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0811241427o100d6043r6a56ca0fa3288c8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0811241427o100d6043r6a56ca0fa3288c8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811241801.25050.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Hi there, Thanks Chitlesh for all that, I think it is a very nice summary of the state of FEL, I'm sure if was needed, sa many things to learn... I'm not very active these days, sorry, exams to come, but I'm glad to see the project going forward. Le Monday, 24. November 2008 05:27:09 pm Chitlesh GOORAH, vous avez ?crit?: > Hello there, >[...] > > During FOSS.in there will be a beagleboard presentation. A nice thing > from Texas Instrument (Thibault will remember we went to talk to them) > . But doesn't support opensource EDA tools. Yup. Any news from them ? BTW, here is a nice link about it: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard I'd be interested in having a look at that when I have time... Thanks Aanjhan for the presentation to come, now you should have all the stuff you need! Cheers, Thibault From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 22:14:01 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:14:01 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: First Snapshot of Simbus Message-ID: <50baabb30811251414l67c5c92rbe2f146514bab346@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stephen Williams Date: Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM Subject: gEDA-user: First Snapshot of Simbus To: Icarus Verilog announcements -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've successfully simulated a non-trivial PCI device using my new simbus package, so I think it's time to make the first snapshot: I've also started wiki documentation at: This snapshot includes the ability to connect pci device and host models written in Verilog and/or C/C++. The models are each in their own processes, and need not even be on the same computer, which allows you to split the simulation of your larger modeled system across a network of computers. I use simbus by writing my "host" testbench in C/C++ to test my PCI device written in Verilog. The C/C++ binding abstracts PCI commands so that it is fairly easy to write code to interact with the bus. It is also fairly easy to write and test driver code for your device, then port it to an operating system later. The package includes an example PCI memory device that can be a target and even a bus master when properly configured. This device, the pcimem device, is useful in particular as a target for the PCI device you are testing. The source for the pcimem device also demonstrates how you would connect your own PCI device model to simbus. * Future plans/Ideas A system builder tool would be helpful. It's a little clunky to assemble the server configuration file and start all the processed by hand. Support for other bus types. I'm likely to add CameraLink because our boards typically have CameraLink interfaces, but I can see the value of supporting I2C, Wishbone, AMBA, etc. - -- Steve Williams "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. steve at icarus.com But I have promises to keep, http://www.icarus.com and lines to code before I sleep, http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJLFCqrPt1Sc2b3ikRApCtAKCqIpqx51LZ7vG53eYPPtatUu/5wACgmF1E 33b9rLqlTe2Na1hAq64AonI= =Z/ub -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ geda-user mailing list geda-user at moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 22:53:28 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:53:28 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Fedora FEL In-Reply-To: <492C7AF0.90103@sbcglobal.net> References: <49262852.2010306@sbcglobal.net> <50baabb30811230233s7196ee1ifcc03dc77c14278c@mail.gmail.com> <492C7AF0.90103@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <50baabb30811251453g5d091ff1j2e3d12d3ddb81d7c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Paul Tomlinson wrote: > Chitlesh, > > Thanks for taking time to answer my questions > > 1. The documentation seems to imply that FEL runs under KDE. I prefer GNOME > How can load for GNOME desktop from Live DVD Hello Paul, Thanks for your interest in FEL. The FEL LiveDVD is KDE based as you mentioned and there is no other means to load GNOME other than install the FEL LiveDVD, then do an "yum groupinstall GNOME Desktop Environment" Another solution might be if you are already running Fedora 10 , you can create your own gnome-based FEL livedvd. I have entailed the procedures here. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/livedvd.html Only replace ( on the FEL kickstart file) %include fedora-livecd-kde.ks by fedora-livecd-desktop.ks after downloading this file: http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedora-livecd-desktop.ks;hb=HEAD All the FEL EDA tools are available for free download via yum, under the standard Fedora 10 release, as well. > > 2. Your paper mentions inter-operation between apps. Can you supply more > information. > In paticular I'm interested in schematic/simulation,wavedisplay > integration and layout verification. Compared to proprietary EDA environment, in the past the opensource EDA tools lacked interoperability. Though, we haven't reached the ideal case, we have brought forward numerous changes during the last 3 years in the opensource EDA tools (already accepted by upstream) to ensure that users are able to have at least the standard design flow. > I'm a analog/mixed signal(many years exp) IC designer based in the US and > would like to build a schematic,sim,layout,verify system test system. I'm > also interested in the pcba tools. My experience base is traditional tools > like Cadence, but I would like to support the open source movement for EDA > tools. If there are some good user/discussion groups I would appreciate the > names Below are the 3 active mailing lists: - opencircuitdesign - more asic oriented : xcircuit-dev at opencircuitdesign.com - gEDA, gerbv, pcb : http://www.geda.seul.org/mailinglist/index.html - toped - ASIC layout oriented : https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/toped-development > I'm going to build a x64 AMD box just to runs the tools and look forward to > learning the tools set. At the Fedora Project, we do our best to ensure that the user will benefit from a smooth experience under different architectures. In addition to our multi-libs support, Fedora has a very good reputation on the x86_64 architecture: > Regards, > Paul Tomlinson > President > IC Design Services, Inc. Kind regards, Chitlesh GOORAH From aanjhan at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 17:06:35 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:36:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.IN Presentation - Review submission In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0811241339o152c307bib9eb6617d78b7662@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0811241210o55ad6024ma22f1feb497207e5@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0811241339o152c307bib9eb6617d78b7662@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi List, I have updated the presentation in the below link. As with the screen shots, there is now plan to do some live demos. http://tuxmaniac.fedorapeople.org/DOCS/FEL_foss_in_v2.pdf Regards Aanjhan From chitlesh at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 22:46:29 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:46:29 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FOSS.IN Presentation - Review submission In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0811261443m1a340033j2e4849f2132a01b@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0811241210o55ad6024ma22f1feb497207e5@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0811241339o152c307bib9eb6617d78b7662@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0811261443m1a340033j2e4849f2132a01b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811261446q34e48c8dhbf3a43477550ddc@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > Hi List, > > I have updated the presentation in the below link. As with the screen > shots, there is now plan to do some live demos. > > http://tuxmaniac.fedorapeople.org/DOCS/FEL_foss_in_v2.pdf > > Regards > Aanjhan > Looks fine for me and thanks again. I have no idea which type of demos you will do. I have just found a vhdl demo I designed in the train last year for a presentation. It is in the git repository [1]. why 74act299 ? [2] It happened to be at that time the only datasheet I had on the train :) My intention was to show alliance, ghdl and gtkwave in action. The makefile was also shown to the public, to entail the design flow. usage: $ make (for alliance) $ make vhdl maybe it might be useful for you aanjhan. [1]: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/contribution.html [2]: http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/74/74ACT299.html cheers, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 17:47:41 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:47:41 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: gEDA-user: pcb-20081128 snapshot In-Reply-To: <4930291D.7040401@mcmahill.net> References: <4930291D.7040401@mcmahill.net> Message-ID: <50baabb30811290947w4d393281p7b93a7ce044ca2e2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: > I've just placed a new snapshot of PCB up on the sourceforge site Hello there, First great work PCB developers. Below are some little changes, I'm requesting pcb developers to adopt. Most of these changes have been applied to all Fedora pcb rpms. I guess that these changes will also benefit users/packagers of other linux distributions as well. #001: Currently, %configure --disable-update-mime-database removes the following files /usr/share/mime/XMLnamespaces /usr/share/mime/aliases /usr/share/mime/application/x-excellon.xml /usr/share/mime/application/x-gerber.xml /usr/share/mime/application/x-pcb-footprint.xml /usr/share/mime/application/x-pcb-layout.xml /usr/share/mime/application/x-pcb-netlist.xml /usr/share/mime/generic-icons /usr/share/mime/globs /usr/share/mime/globs2 /usr/share/mime/icons /usr/share/mime/magic /usr/share/mime/mime.cache /usr/share/mime/subclasses /usr/share/mime/treemagic /usr/share/mime/types However /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache is not removed and gets bundled during the "make install" procedure. I would be nice if the switch --disable-update-mime-database removes /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache as well. #002: pcb bundles an empty directory /usr/share/info/dir during make install. This should be removed automatically or yet should not be created. #003: PCB2HPGL This file should be renamed as PCB2HPGL.pl and includes an english note as well. #004: tgo2pcb.tcl includes an additional copyright. # Copyright 1998, Ingo Cyliax, Derivation Systems, Inc. can you give details if this is GPL compliant, please ? #005: duplicates: Merge_dimPCBPS /usr/bin/MergePCBPS are being installed twice: /usr/bin/Merge_dimPCBPS /usr/bin/MergePCBPS and /usr/share/pcb/tools/{MergePCBPS,Merge_dimPCBPS} #006: It would be nice to rename LED to LED.pcb and LED2 to LED.pcb Since the tut1.pcb is related to LED example, it should not be distributed under the tutorial example. #007: Proposal for proper documentation distribution. Below is a proposal that I would like to see concerning how PCB distributes different documentations. Currently the documentation is broken down to: - tutorial (install under /usr/share/pcb) - example (install under /usr/share/pcb) - doc (install under /usr/share/doc/pcb) I wish that all these should be in /usr/share/doc/pcb _by default_ from _upstream_. I would recommend shipping tut1.pcb with example/ and remove tutorial I feel that make install is not installing the example/*.pcb and example/*.pdf. It would be nice that it does. I propose the following directory structure (FOR UPSTREAM'S make install)for examples: /usr/share/doc/pcb/example /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/LED_Interface /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/LED_Interface/LED2.pcb /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/LED_Interface/LED.NET /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/LED_Interface/LED.pcb /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/LED_Interface/tut1.pcb /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/libraries /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/libraries/example.inc /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/libraries/example.list /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/libraries/example.m4 /usr/share/doc/pcb//example/pad /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/pad/pad.gif /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/pad/pad.pcb /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/pad/pad.pdf /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/pad/pad.png /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/puller /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/puller/puller.gif /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/puller/puller.pcb /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/puller/puller.pdf /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/puller/puller.png /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/thermal /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/thermal/thermal.gif /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/thermal/thermal.pcb /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/thermal/thermal.pdf /usr/share/doc/pcb/example/thermal/thermal.png And /usr/share/doc/pcb/pcb.pdf /usr/share/doc/pcb/refcard.pdf I repeat, I would like this to be includedin the default make install. However, different distributions package differently. Thus this proposal satisfies a common ground for these distributions. #008: spurious-executable-perm please apply the following in your trunk/ chmod 0644 example/LED.NET chmod 0644 example/LED #009: refcard Its pdf format is broken. Both for viewing with acrobat reader and for printing. I would appreciate if PCB developers could go through the build logs at: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/scratch/chitlesh/task_958838/ I will do some testing tonight on PCB, then push it to fedora repositories. Another note: Enterprise class distributions RHEL/CentOS/ScientificLinux users will soon have PCB rpms under the fedora's EPEL repositories. For more details, join FEL mailing list. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 22:42:27 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:42:27 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] linsmith Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0811301442s68a196a7qd1b72da2ee234a9a@mail.gmail.com> Hello Matthieu, Thanks, for accepting my request to package linsmith today. I have seen you have already a working spec file for linsmith: http://mgautier.fedorapeople.org/linsmith/ However, you didn't yet update the spec file in accordance to my comments on IRC. Don't be discourage I am here to help you. Like I mentioned before on IRC I really want to see linsmith before F-11 on fedora repositories. Well, I would invite you to read again the Fedora packaging guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines and file a review request on RH Bugzilla. And notify us. I will gladly do the review for you. I see you have a patch as well. Please do apply it in you spec file. Since you have add "Electronic" as a menu category, you will need to have : Requires : electronics-menu. Kind regards, Chitlesh PS: please do join FEL mailing list as well :)