From christine.pollex at ncf.ca Fri Oct 10 02:08:15 2008 From: christine.pollex at ncf.ca (Christine Pollex) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:08:15 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL depolyment using yum Message-ID: Could someone please describe the way to install FEL using yum? My newbie search has not led to a solution. Thanks, Christine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aanjhan at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 09:20:31 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:20:31 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL depolyment using yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Christine Pollex wrote: > Could someone please describe the way to install FEL using yum? > My newbie search has not led to a solution. Its not a "single" package. Its a collection of whole list of tools. You can download the FEL LiveCD from here -> http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-8-Live-FEL-i686.torrent For fedora 10 we are coming up with a LiveDVD which means more tools, more fun! You can help us test the DvD by following the instructions given here -> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-electronic-lab-list/2008-August/msg00015.html I don't this you can just do a yum install FEL kinda stuff. Have fun! Aanjhan From chitlesh at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 16:10:44 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:10:44 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL depolyment using yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0810100910w44ed0fa9n2dac51177c355f13@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Christine Pollex < email_hidden > wrote: > Could someone please describe the way to install FEL using yum? > My newbie search has not led to a solution. Hello Christine, Due to some technical reasons, which might result some users smashing their heads on their computer screen, there is no metapackage to "yum install FEL". Though I long wish too. FEL includes various tools for various types of design (analog, analog ASIC, digital ASIC, embedded,..). All these tools are listed on: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL. Most of the tools proposed by FEL of each type of design are listed in a separate HTML file. Thus easier for users to grab those tools with respect to their usage. Depending on the type of design you wish have, please yum install any tool you would like. But if you would like to have the whole FEL deployment via yum "nevertheless", as root: # yum install alliance-doc irsim gds2pov magic-doc toped xcircuit qucs netgen pharosc\* sk2py gtkwave iverilog drawtiming ghdl freehdl ngspice gnucap gspiceui gwave geda\* gerbv gresistor kicad pcb piklab ktechlab pikloops sdcc gtkterm picocom minicom arm-gp2x-linux\* avr-\* avrdude dfu-programmer avarice uisp octave\* Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 16:35:03 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:35:03 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Now focussing on FEL 11 Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, We have discussed previously the entrance of the following packages: * systemc - license issue * electric - java issue, sun java is still not an option * tkgate - local issues upstream doesn't want to fix. Aanjhan, any news about electric ? Thibault, any news from tkgate's developer? As for the "systemc", after much back and forth between, TomCallaway, Red Hat legal and the OSCI (the SystemC people), they decided not to make any changes to their license, due to the cost and time it would take to do so. TomCallaway has added the OSCI SystemC License to the Fedora Licensing list as a Bad License, due to its non-free status. Thus systemc will not go into FEL collection. Today, Fedoa10 Preview will be released. And at the end of this month, FEL10 will be officially out, with the release of Fedora 10. I would like to thank ThibaultNorth and Aanjhan for their enormous help during the FEL10 development cycle, as I was scarcely around during June and July. Though I'm still waiting for my own internet connection from Belgacom, I would like to invite you all to start focussing on FEL 11. I guess it will be out in April 2009. I have invited Jochen Roth (from IBM) to join this mailing list. He has been introducing Binutils for the SPU on IBM Cell processors on Fedora 10 and EPEL. Now, what do you guys would like to include in FEL11 ? Please propose some key areas of electronic design which you think we should work and include into fedora ? Let's say we set one month to discuss what we all wish? Then I'll schedule a timetable and gather enough human resources to get the job done in time :) regards, Chitlesh From shakthimaan at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 18:54:00 2008 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:24:00 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Now focussing on FEL 11 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: | Let's say we set one month to discuss what we all wish? \-- I would like to come up with training materials for the various software that can be used to get students/interested folks into working with you guys, as well, as try to use it as a means for their regular course/lab work. Maybe it exists already? We can take one package at a time from concepts, to simple examples, to training. Let me know, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From chitlesh at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 19:38:53 2008 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:38:53 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Now focussing on FEL 11 In-Reply-To: References: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0810101238r128a5904jb8fc77561d013b97@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Shakthi Kannan < email_hidden > wrote: > I would like to come up with training materials for the various > software that can be used to get students/interested folks into > working with you guys, as well, as try to use it as a means for their > regular course/lab work. Maybe it exists already? > > We can take one package at a time from concepts, to simple examples, > to training. > > Let me know, > Hello, I flew over your page: http://shakthimaan.com/downloads.html You already have some interesting materials to start with :) A careful packaging of those and that of other opensource projects could be a good start. I welcome this initiative, but I think _here_, we have to clarify on "training" and "documentation". Our tasks as packagers/maintainers of FEL are like a CAD/EDA engineer. Providing enough _documentation_ about how those tools are used is also part of the job of any CAD engineer. But as for _training_, this demands enough technical skills. However I believe this will be a very good example how to make money with opensource software :) Or else better, Fedora Ambassadors(like us) trains students on how to use those tools (like a crash course) to fund Fedora events around the country hahaha. By the way, Shakti, you have done good presentations in the past. Have you thought about becoming a fedora ambassador ? If yes, I can help you become one _Very_ soon :) regards, Chitlesh From aanjhan at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 20:19:41 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:19:41 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Now focussing on FEL 11 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0810101238r128a5904jb8fc77561d013b97@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0810101238r128a5904jb8fc77561d013b97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > By the way, Shakti, you have done good presentations in the past. Have > you thought about becoming a fedora ambassador ? If yes, I can help > you become one _Very_ soon :) I must say you are too good at pulling Debian guys into fedora. But Debian/Ubuntu still Rocks :P Well on a serious note, I guess we can package some of those VHDL examples and provide them as vhdl-docs or some such? Just an idea out of the blue. But we can always refine it. Regards, Aanjhan From shakthimaan at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 01:57:54 2008 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:27:54 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Now focussing on FEL 11 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0810101238r128a5904jb8fc77561d013b97@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0810101238r128a5904jb8fc77561d013b97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chitlesh, --- On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: | Have | you thought about becoming a fedora ambassador ? \-- I am not very keen on titles/designations. Just help around for a cause. Thanks, anyways! I use different distros, for different tasks, so not stuck to any one. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From krustev.svilen at googlemail.com Sun Oct 12 10:53:30 2008 From: krustev.svilen at googlemail.com (Svilen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:53:30 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Toped ubuntu package Message-ID: <48F1D72A.4030507@googlemail.com> Hi, I have a couple of requests for an Ubuntu package. Some time ago I posted a packing request on Ubuntu's bugzilla, but there is not much response yet. Obviously there are a bunch of other toolos waiting packaging. In the same time I spot on some blogs that there is an idea to package FEL for Ubuntu. Is there any chance to get some status on this? Regards Svilen From aanjhan at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:51:03 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:51:03 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Toped ubuntu package In-Reply-To: <48F1D72A.4030507@googlemail.com> References: <48F1D72A.4030507@googlemail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Svilen wrote: > Hi, > > I have a couple of requests for an Ubuntu package. Some time ago I posted a > packing request on Ubuntu's bugzilla, but there is not much response yet. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/251281 <-- If you are talking about this, I am sorry I started packaging this but ended up finding a lot of issues in packaging. And Later was busy with personal stuff, so couldn't look into it. Will do it sometime this month. > Obviously there are a bunch of other toolos waiting packaging. In the same > time I spot on some blogs that there is an idea to package FEL for Ubuntu. FEL for Ubuntu is not foreseen. FEL is *Fedora* Electronics Laboratory. If the intention of your question is getting all tools available on FeL in Ubuntu, then "YES" its in progress. Just that Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu have varied policy regulations and different New Package entry mechanism its taking time. But if you would like to use them, I have a couple of packages on my PPA. May be you can try them out if it interests you. Link: https://edge.launchpad.net/~aanjhan/+archive Please report any issues found 9ofcourse not on this mailing list, but a email to me would do) Note: I am not sure discussing Electronic Package in Ubuntu/Debian is apt for this mailing list. May be you should try MOTU Science mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-science. Not much activity in the list per se but quite some good work happening. Cheers! Aanjhan From tnorth at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 13 20:26:43 2008 From: tnorth at fedoraproject.org (Thibault North) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:26:43 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Now focussing on FEL 11 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0810100935u16516c83lb820be2bf7fb6a26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810131626.43911.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Le Friday, 10. October 2008 12:35:03 pm Chitlesh GOORAH, vous avez ?crit?: >[...] > Thibault, any news from tkgate's developer? There was an issue about locales, which are not handled like the Fedora rules ask for. I need to look a bit deeper at it, and will maybe need help of someone used to it. The discussion with tkgate's developer ended too quickly because of exams and LinuxTag coming. Cheers, Thibault From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 15 08:00:54 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:00:54 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: verilator In-Reply-To: <48F58842.3040705@brooks.nu> References: <48F58842.3040705@brooks.nu> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0810150100k22c4c02ds8868ccf7ddd033e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Lane Brooks < email_hidden > wrote: > Great work on the Fedora Electronic Lab. I find it quite pleasant to be > able to yum install a large selection of open source cad tools. > > Have you considered adding verilator to FEL? I find it to be a very well > done high performance verilog simulator. It is much faster than Icarus > Verilog, but the tradeoff is that is only simulates synthesizable verilog. > There are some rpms available for SUSE and I am working now on updating > them spec files for Fedora/CentOS. If you are intereseted I would be happy > to contribute to the cause. > > Thanks, > Lane Brooks > Hello Lane, Thank you. I would be glad if you could package verilator. Please join the Fedora Electronic Lab mailing list : https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list Once you have a spec file which you feel ready, post it in the FEL mailing list. I will look at it and see that you get all the required access to be its official maintainer of Fedora and EPEL for Centos. :) Let's add verilator to the list of features we want for FEL 11. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 16 08:15:33 2008 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:15:33 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: verilator In-Reply-To: <48F6EF31.90005@brooks.nu> References: <48F58842.3040705@brooks.nu> <13dbfe4f0810150100k22c4c02ds8868ccf7ddd033e@mail.gmail.com> <48F6EF31.90005@brooks.nu> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0810160115k6ad74e77xb2ec48e018111fe0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Lane Brooks < email_hidden > wrote: > Attached is the spec file I put together for verilator. You can download > the source rpm from http://brooks.nu/~lane/verilator-3.680-1.fc10.src.rpm Hello Lane, You have done a great job packaging verilator without systemc for fedora. It is now for sure that fedora will now have systemc.[0] However, your spec file is 70% complete :), the rest of the 30% is to make the spec file respect the very strict packaging guidelines [1] of Fedora. I will help you with that. Please file a package review request [2] on bugzilla and register you as a Fedora packager [3], if you are not: I am a sponsor, so you don't to go and find another one. Once you have filed a package review request for verilator, we can start with the official review and hopefully push verilator into fedora repositories very soon. Also paste the link of the RH Bugzilla on the Fedora Electronic Lab mailing list so that there will be more eyes to review verilator. [0] http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2008/07/fel-systemc-was-put-aside-legal.html [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&format=extras-review [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join Kind regards, Chitlesh GOORAH PS: I am still without my own internet connection. Belgacom is taking to much time :( From shakthimaan at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 12:14:32 2008 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:44:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Add mailing list link to webpage! Message-ID: Hi! Can you please add the mailing list link to the FedoraElectronicLab webpage? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraElectronicLab Thanks! SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From lane at brooks.nu Sat Oct 25 14:23:30 2008 From: lane at brooks.nu (Lane Brooks) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:23:30 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: verilator In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0810160115k6ad74e77xb2ec48e018111fe0@mail.gmail.com> References: <48F58842.3040705@brooks.nu> <13dbfe4f0810150100k22c4c02ds8868ccf7ddd033e@mail.gmail.com> <48F6EF31.90005@brooks.nu> <13dbfe4f0810160115k6ad74e77xb2ec48e018111fe0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49032BE2.4080307@brooks.nu> Chitlesh, I submitted the new package request bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468516 I will need you to sponsor me. Lane Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Lane Brooks < email_hidden > wrote: >> Attached is the spec file I put together for verilator. You can download >> the source rpm from http://brooks.nu/~lane/verilator-3.680-1.fc10.src.rpm > > Hello Lane, > > You have done a great job packaging verilator without systemc for > fedora. It is now for sure that fedora will now have systemc.[0] > > However, your spec file is 70% complete :), the rest of the 30% is to > make the spec file respect the very strict packaging guidelines [1] of > Fedora. I will help you with that. > > Please file a package review request [2] on bugzilla and register you > as a Fedora packager [3], if you are not: I am a sponsor, so you don't > to go and find another one. > > Once you have filed a package review request for verilator, we can > start with the official review and hopefully push verilator into > fedora repositories very soon. Also paste the link of the RH Bugzilla > on the Fedora Electronic Lab mailing list so that there will be more > eyes to review verilator. > > [0] http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2008/07/fel-systemc-was-put-aside-legal.html > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines > [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&format=extras-review > [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh GOORAH > > PS: I am still without my own internet connection. Belgacom is taking > to much time :( From aanjhan at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 16:25:31 2008 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:25:31 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Add mailing list link to webpage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Can you please add the mailing list link to the FedoraElectronicLab webpage? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraElectronicLab Done! Thanks for the pointer. May be it was not added because there was a link to the homepage and the homepage had the list address. Regards, Aanjhan