From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Apr 3 23:57:40 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Electronic Lab) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:57:40 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] [Fedora Electronic Lab] #14: Component libraries Message-ID: <067.0406d683f9bc122c8ac37172db570e5e@fedorahosted.org> #14: Component libraries -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- Reporter: anonymous | Owner: chitlesh Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: Component: FEL | Version: 10 Keywords: | -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- HI, I love the concept of FEL and I have FEL 10 installed. I have tried gSchem and Kicad before and the main problems I have are the lack of a broad component library. Will there be a move to create a component library to share? I see a site that has a conversion of Eagle libraries but I am not sure as to the legality or quality. Without offense, having gSchem, Kicad, and Xcircuit in the release, it seems like a lack of direction. I would pay for a GPL release that was focused and had a solid user supported component libraries. I ma not a great programmer so I am not sure how I can help. duncan.mcnamara at gmail.com -- Ticket URL: Fedora Electronic Lab Design, Simulate and Program electronics. From trac at fedorahosted.org Mon Apr 6 19:06:54 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Electronic Lab) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:06:54 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #14: Component libraries In-Reply-To: <067.0406d683f9bc122c8ac37172db570e5e@fedorahosted.org> References: <067.0406d683f9bc122c8ac37172db570e5e@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <076.217f4c4fe600be058bc45b3ccb123a05@fedorahosted.org> #14: Component libraries --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: anonymous | Owner: chitlesh Type: enhancement | Status: assigned Priority: trivial | Milestone: FEL LiveDVD Component: FEL | Version: 10 Resolution: | Keywords: geda, kicad --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Changes (by chitlesh): * cc: duncan.mcnamara at gmail.com, dj at delorie.com (added) * keywords: => geda, kicad * status: new => assigned * milestone: => FEL LiveDVD Comment: Hello Duncan, gSchem, kicad and xcircuit serves two design flows: - ASIC design (xcircuit) - PCB design (kicad,gEDA) This blog post explains a basic ASIC design flow in which xcircuit plays an important role: http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2007/08/netgen-back-on-track.html As for PCB design, we currently have kicad and gEDA. I personally recommend gEDA as its developers are very active and they listen to the community's suggestions. The gEDA community has also a website dedicated for symbols and many scripts to automate the design flow. http://www.gedasymbols.org/ It is true however that we lack a robust component libraries for both ASIC design and PCB design. If you are willing to help I would suggest you to create symbols and footprints for your favourite devices (fpga,memory,converters,amplifiers) of your favourite manufacturer (analog devices, xilinx,..). Afterwards, we will push your symbols and footprints to the gEDA package (geda-symbols). What do you think ? -- Ticket URL: Fedora Electronic Lab Design, Simulate and Program electronics. 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URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 7 08:32:38 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:32:38 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] Take a look at my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <7295abd8d9f029f4a0af4ca1000f9dd9@localhost.localdomain> References: <7295abd8d9f029f4a0af4ca1000f9dd9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0904070132v190da6c9n2613720937fd6f99@mail.gmail.com> Hello Himanshu, If your pictures are fedora electronic lab related, can you upload them to the "fedora electronic lab" group please ? http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=50884070903&ref=ts chitlesh From trac at fedorahosted.org Sat Apr 11 10:18:12 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Electronic Lab) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:18:12 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages Message-ID: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> #15: FEL with source + build packages -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- Reporter: shakthimaan | Owner: chitlesh Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 11 'Leonidas' Component: FEL | Version: devel Keywords: Source | -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- I would like FEL to include source packages with documentation for various FEL tools that it ships with for the following reasons: 1. It should be a distro that one can install, use, and develop, without the need for an Internet connection. For upgrades, developers can obtain patches and re-build. 2. There are many people who are on dial-up in remote places in India, and the speeds are slow. It takes a really long time to download the source packages or refer documentation. It is only useful for chatting. And most of them on dial-up are on winmodems, and don't have driver support with Fedora. 3. It will be helpful to deploy this standalone solution in a lab. If the above can be done, it will be an off-the-shelf distro that one can simply install and use for learning, development and testing. I think FEL uses only 1.3 GB, so disk space shouldn't be an issue. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Electronic Lab Design, Simulate and Program electronics. From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Apr 14 07:49:55 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Electronic Lab) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:49:55 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages In-Reply-To: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> References: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <078.46b5c9c91e5414bc94b9f723fc0671c2@fedorahosted.org> #15: FEL with source + build packages --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: shakthimaan | Owner: chitlesh Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 11 'Leonidas' Component: FEL | Version: devel Resolution: | Keywords: Source --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Comment (by chitlesh): Hello shakti, for #1: FEL can be used without internet. Inclusion of Source packages will also mean to include all the -devel dependencies used to build each SRPM. This might be 2/3 times the size of the current livedvd. for #2: We have to know where we stand. Is our prime objective - (1) to spend more time with software or - (2) to provide EDA solutions ? for (1), source code distribution is understandable, but this is not electronics. for (2), each FEL app already contains it own documentation or its documentation comes with a separate -doc package. As for the driver support, the fedora-base kickstart file already entails many drivers, and if one is missing please file a bug so that it can be fixed. We know that download speed in certain countries is slow thereby it is also another reason why we must limit the total size of the dvd so as not to penalize the majority. Try rpm -qld pcb for #3, FEL is already a standalone solution for electronics. To design electronics there is no need for source code. But the source code is available for anyone to download if he/she wants with: yumdownloader --source pcb And, to my knowledge, anaconda does not support the inclusion of the SRPMs in the livecd. I see no reason why the source code and build packages should be entailed into the livedvd, in order to make FEL useful for education, though education is not the only userbase we are targeting. The reason why FEL exists is because of the lack of packaged opensource EDA tools in the community. Thus it is meant to shield the user from building the eda tools for scratch and jump straight to the electronic design and simulation. Providing source packages within the live media is the other way round. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Electronic Lab Design, Simulate and Program electronics. From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Apr 14 09:57:43 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Electronic Lab) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:57:43 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages In-Reply-To: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> References: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <078.b00a61e2cbb94980b3d235650d5d5027@fedorahosted.org> #15: FEL with source + build packages --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: shakthimaan | Owner: chitlesh Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 11 'Leonidas' Component: FEL | Version: devel Resolution: | Keywords: Source --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Comment (by shakthimaan): --- | Inclusion of Source packages will also mean to include all the -devel dependencies used to | build each SRPM. This might be 2/3 times the size of the current livedvd. \-- Is it possible to get a rough estimate on what this size is? --- | FEL is already a standalone solution for electronics. To design electronics there is no need | for source code. \-- If we want to get more developers for EDA tools and/or packaging for Fedora/FEL, they will require the source. And using FEL as a one-stop market solution in this process will only facilitate the same. --- | But the source code is available for anyone to download if he/she wants with: | | yumdownloader --source pcb \-- This is where the slow dial-up is a hindrance, and is _not_ an option. --- | And, to my knowledge, anaconda does not support the inclusion of the SRPMs in the livecd. \-- Is it possible to make another DVD or two, so whoever is interested in development, packaging for FEL, can be given the source RPMS for building with their existing install setup? --- | I see no reason why the source code and build packages should be entailed into the livedvd, in | order to make FEL useful for education, \-- For learning to use the source of the tools, to study it, develop with it and maintain the same for FEL. --- | The reason why FEL exists is because of the lack of packaged opensource EDA tools in the | community. Thus it is meant to shield the user from building the eda tools for scratch and | jump straight to the electronic design and simulation. \-- I am focusing on getting more developers and packagers, after people start using them. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Electronic Lab Design, Simulate and Program electronics. From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Apr 14 10:07:04 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Electronic Lab) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:07:04 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages In-Reply-To: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> References: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <078.26b47887ff3fc6f0e579b40039ade83a@fedorahosted.org> #15: FEL with source + build packages --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: shakthimaan | Owner: chitlesh Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 11 'Leonidas' Component: FEL | Version: devel Resolution: | Keywords: Source --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Comment (by chitlesh): For any developer, an internet connection is recommended. I've lost my job last week, so till I can sustain myself financially, I will only work on critical items. Someone else can work on it. By the way, I've not for adding extra weight on the existing FEL livedvd, unless these are EDA solutions. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Electronic Lab Design, Simulate and Program electronics. From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Apr 14 10:12:21 2009 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Electronic Lab) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:12:21 -0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages In-Reply-To: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> References: <069.f40ec7e23395b62091ded28ac9509626@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <078.bc4c728524254648de16157d755757ec@fedorahosted.org> #15: FEL with source + build packages --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: shakthimaan | Owner: chitlesh Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 11 'Leonidas' Component: FEL | Version: devel Resolution: | Keywords: Source --------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Comment (by shakthimaan): I'll look into it. Thanks for your prompt response. Appreciate it. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Electronic Lab Design, Simulate and Program electronics. From innnnate at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 11:16:46 2009 From: innnnate at yahoo.com (Nathaniel Steier) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] FEL / Yum Installation Notes Message-ID: <560392.5240.qm@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello. My name is Nathaniel Steier. I'm very interested in the FEL project; I think it is exciting and has great promise. This is also the first time I'm involved in an open-source project (other than being an end-user). On the FEL main page [http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/], there are prominent links to obtaining a LiveCD. I also found the comments on this post [http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2009/03/fel-yum-groupinstall.html] incredibly helpful. [-] Fedora Core 11 Yum Install: # yum groupinstall 'Electronic Lab' [-] Fedora Core 10 Yum Install: # yum install alliance-doc irsim gds2pov magic-doc toped xcircuit qucs netgen pharosc\* sk2py gtkwave iverilog drawtiming ghdl freehdl ngspice gnucap gspiceui gwave geda\* gerbv gresistor kicad pcb piklab ktechlab pikloops sdcc gtkterm picocom minicom arm-gp2x-linux\* avr-\* avrdude dfu-programmer avarice uisp octave\* perl-Verilog\* perl-Hardware\* tkgate linsmith Perhaps these notes could be added to the main page as well? This gives the enduser more install choices. From mayur.sarode at in.com Fri Apr 24 17:32:32 2009 From: mayur.sarode at in.com (mayur sarode) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:02:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab] Hello everyone Message-ID: <1240594352.5f0ad4db43d8723d18169b2e4817a160@mail.in.com> Hello everyone.I am mayur sarode.I got hooked to open source while working on gnu software radio .I would like to add to the development of electronics packages for fedora.I dont know where to start.Can anyone help me?Dear fedoraelectroniclablist! Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: