From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 1 19:24:10 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:24:10 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Mutiboot DVD In-Reply-To: <585855830901300429s7dc8e246j9447f991507e6e88@mail.gmail.com> References: <585855830901300429s7dc8e246j9447f991507e6e88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902011124p3ab58a5eq1604d2e40a843a00@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:29 PM, himanshu lad wrote: > Hi guys I have been trying to create multiboot DVD with FEL 32 and 64 bit > versions on the same disk. I have googled a lot.The instuctions given there > work fine for Ubuntu and knoppix but not for Fedora discs. The init file in > initrd0.img doesnot seem to make sense to me,can anyone help I think you should ask on the fedora-devel mailing list. This is beyond my knowledge. I would recommend you not to read ubuntu howtos on fedora, because ubuntu is a bit old for such thing. The Fedora release engineers have improved many things recently with respect to boot process. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 22:51:51 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:51:51 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] talk about your gEDA/pcb Message-ID: <50baabb30902041451h7af7fc3cja792894bc7e5eaec@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, There is blog post on makezine about gEDA/pcb, I would welcome you to spread the "opensource" word about EDA software tools as comments in this post. http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/02/remixed_drawdio.html It is important for both the public and gEDA/gaf developers to know that people are using gEDA/gaf tools. Currently the gEDA/gaf community is preparing the next major release 1.6 which we are hoping to get it in time for F-11. Happy design. Kind regards, Chitlesh GOORAH From marcusescobosa at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 06:15:33 2009 From: marcusescobosa at gmail.com (marcus escobosa) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 22:15:33 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Installation problem, X windows quits Message-ID: It seems that X windows quits during the install process on Parallels VM 3 running on my mac notebook which uses an Intel GMA950 video system. I can get to a command line however. Is there a way to configure X windows to use a more generic driver? I have never had a problem installing or running Linux before, and I regularly use Fedora 3 and Centos 5. I get the blue login screen with the earthsun picture (?), but can only do a console login. Other logins result in a X server restart. Does anyone know what file to modify to use a generic video driver? Thanks -- Marcus Escobosa marcusescobosa at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedora.redhat.com Mon Feb 9 21:32:36 2009 From: chitlesh at fedora.redhat.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:32:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: [Alliance-users] Question about gcp In-Reply-To: <20090209201136.GA22068@naina> References: <20090208152023.GA24463@naina> <20090209201136.GA22068@naina> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902091332o1d298eb1t6f801733af0299a1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: >> I see your project is targeting GTK libraries to replace Motif, don't >> you think Qt is now a better choice with the future Qt LGPL release ? > > Most of the code is in C, and are console tools and libraries. We think > that these can be helped by using glib in them. glib's utilities, > logging facility, language bindings, etc. can all be easily added in > the existing code. > > Two of us are GNOME developers and hence are very familiar with the > GTK+ stack. So naturally we want to use GTK+ for the GUI tools. Both > GTK+ and Qt satisfy the requirements very well. The licensing is not a > factor in our choice as we are changing Herb's license to only be > GPLv3. Hello Mukund and Christophe, Being a KDE4 user and most of my friends are gnomers, I would recommend Tcl/Tk for the following reasons: - new users from the digital asic designers are already familiar with Tcl - coming from proprietary software - more chances to get contributors in, as writing plugins becomes easier - the users of herb/alliance are not software developers, thereby if it is a Qt/GTK based app, it will be a bit hard to build a community around herb as users are not software developers - (this is very important to the opensource EDA community) : more compatibilities with other Tcl/Tk based apps such as magic, irsim,netgen, xcircuit,... The latter is important because currently herb/alliance is more digital oriented and having already a handful of tcl/tk based analog tools from opencircuitdesign and Graham Petley's standard cells, I believeTCL/Tk is the right choice to follow as in the future, there will be more chances to have more mixed signal simulation with opensource EDA tools. The developer of Ngspice is planning to write a TCL/TK based frontend for ngspice and if herb uses Tcl/Tk, we will be able to ensure several design flows with opensource EDA tools. Knowing as well the fact that Tkgate provides verilog support with a simple tcl/tk based app, it would be nice to have easy and quick scripting interface to both design and simulation. I'll respect your choice of gtk, however I believe this decision should : - be based on what the advantages are for the designer. - not be about ones' favourite API It is important to have a community around herb if we all want herb development to continue for at least 5 years. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 9 21:59:58 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:59:58 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Want FEL-11 livedvd ? Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902091359p720c6f72q8796fa0ad9070f6@mail.gmail.com> Hello David, I have seen your post on http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm/browse_thread/thread/232bf1ad5557d3ad Thank you for your posts about opensource EDA tools. I appreciate your commitment. I would like to know if you need FEL livedvds for your presentations. I will have budget to build livedvds for the next FEL-11. If you are interested, we can ship them to you. I would welcome you to join our mailing list http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 9 22:31:16 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:31:16 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] herb : alliance patches, icons, desktop files and little tweaks Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902091431n4f11491av148a770efc756e7@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, this email is cross-posted on - fedora electronic lab mailing list - to inform the community about herb, an alliance fork - herb mailing list - to propose some patches, icons, desktop files and little tweaks I was introduced to herb yesterday at FOSDEM by one of its developers. I support the initiative since alliance development has stalled for more than a year. However I would appreciate TCL/Tk support instead of GTK/QT for the reasons I've mentioned in: https://www-asim.lip6.fr/wws/arc/alliance-users/2009-02/msg00006.html Like I propose to Mukund, here are all my patches: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/alliance/devel/ You will also find some icons and desktop files for the kde/gnome menu structured by gEDA's developer PeterB/C "electronics-menu" (which is default on fedora). I still need to find some time to push it to freedesktop developers as their specifications does not give electronics engineering applications its real value, but considers those tools as "education". With the following spec file, I create alliance rpms. The alliance values are sourced automatically. http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/alliance/devel/alliance.spec?view=markup I'm planning in the near future, but before F-11 release, to create a one/two page flyer for _all_ opensource EDA tools. Kind regards, Chitlesh From muks at banu.com Mon Feb 9 23:23:48 2009 From: muks at banu.com (Mukund Sivaraman) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:23:48 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: [Alliance-users] Question about gcp In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902091332o1d298eb1t6f801733af0299a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090208152023.GA24463@naina> <20090209201136.GA22068@naina> <13dbfe4f0902091332o1d298eb1t6f801733af0299a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090209232347.GA2088@naina> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 10:32:36PM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Being a KDE4 user and most of my friends are gnomers, I would > recommend Tcl/Tk for the following reasons: > - new users from the digital asic designers are already familiar with > Tcl - coming from proprietary software > - more chances to get contributors in, as writing plugins becomes easier > - the users of herb/alliance are not software developers, thereby if > it is a Qt/GTK based app, it will be a bit hard to build a community > around herb as users are not software developers > I'll respect your choice of gtk, however I believe this decision should : > - be based on what the advantages are for the designer. > - not be about ones' favourite API Let's move this discussion to the herb-developers-list as it's probably offtopic on the Alliance list :) We have to be open minded. But we can only do things within our capacity. It would be a perfect world to provide the exact tool that any designer needs, but there's no such thing. Your have made some points, so let's examine them. There are two topics here, though Tcl/Tk provides both: (1) The choice of GUI (widgets) toolkit, and (2) the choice of tool control language. The latter is more important as there are more libraries and non-interactive code which can be scripted, than GUI tools in Herb. Any modern toolkit is good for Herb's GUI tools. Note that there are only a few GUI tools (dreal, graal, xfsm, xgra, xpat, xsch, xvpn). I haven't asked Jan, but I don't know Tcl and Tk. We think that GTK+ would be a good choice here, given that (1) we already know it very well, (2) the code is in C, (3) we are going to use glib as a utility library everywhere to make our C development life easier, and (4) it's widely available by default on Linux and BSD distributions. With regards to tool control, the functional aspects of the code ideally would be resident in libraries. With language bindings, they can be used from any language such as C (native), Tcl, Python, Perl, JavaScript, etc. This would be more beneficial as then users can use whatever language they are familiar with. As an example of such a GTK+ application, look at GIMP and how it can be scripted interactively using Scheme, Python, Perl, etc. > - (this is very important to the opensource EDA community) : more > compatibilities with other Tcl/Tk based apps such as magic, > irsim,netgen, xcircuit,... > > The latter is important because currently herb/alliance is more > digital oriented and having already a handful of tcl/tk based analog > tools from opencircuitdesign and Graham Petley's standard cells, I > believeTCL/Tk is the right choice to follow as in the future, there > will be more chances to have more mixed signal simulation with > opensource EDA tools. The developer of Ngspice is planning to write a > TCL/TK based frontend for ngspice and if herb uses Tcl/Tk, we will be > able to ensure several design flows with opensource EDA tools. Knowing > as well the fact that Tkgate provides verilog support with a simple > tcl/tk based app, it would be nice to have easy and quick scripting > interface to both design and simulation. > Herb provides a complete "digital flow" (if something is lacking, let's fix it). The maintainer of Magic, xcircuit, netgen, irsim, etc. provides an alternate digital flow which is pretty neat. It would be nice to be compatible with regards to exporting and importing data with these tools, so we can mix and match if necessary. Prof. Shimizu's tutorials already describe about using Magic with existing Alliance. We have drivers for a bunch of formats currently. But I don't understand what you're trying to say. How would using Tcl/Tk make us more compatible with these tools than any other option? Mukund From muks at banu.com Tue Feb 10 01:12:23 2009 From: muks at banu.com (Mukund Sivaraman) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:12:23 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: [herb-developers-list] herb : alliance patches, icons, desktop files and little tweaks In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902091431n4f11491av148a770efc756e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0902091431n4f11491av148a770efc756e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090210011222.GA6148@naina> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:31:16PM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > I was introduced to herb yesterday at FOSDEM by one of its developers. > I support the initiative since alliance development has stalled for > more than a year. However I would appreciate TCL/Tk support instead of > GTK/QT for the reasons I've mentioned in: > https://www-asim.lip6.fr/wws/arc/alliance-users/2009-02/msg00006.html I have replied to this in a different post. Jan probably has his viewpoint too. I feel that the choices we have made would put Herb in a better position in the long run than aligning with one language. > Like I propose to Mukund, here are all my patches: > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/alliance/devel/ Use git to clone the herb repository. Then look at all the files you have in a checkout. It lacks files such as "configure" which will be generated by the autotools build system. Your patches should be made against such a maintainer-clean repository HEAD. * The desktop files are the most useful. We should import them into our repo as .in files. * We should ask the Tango artists if they are willing to make us nice icons for the GUI programs. But it's not a priority. * alliance-examples will be separated into different modules. * alliance-generic.patch looks interesting. Can you explain what it does semantically and why it's necessary? * ALLIANCE_TOP and the environment variables will most likely go away. As I've written to you in a different email, a lot of this build system is going to be reorganized soon as a part of the code cleanup. Paths are going to change, configure.ac is going to get rewritten. So many of these patches may not be necessary anymore. Please give it some time and once things stabilize, you will be able to make a package out of it again and check if these patches are relevant. Some of the planned changes are to make the package maintainer's life easy such as using standard locations for shared data, moving to using rc files from environment variables (no more shell scripts to source), etc. > You will also find some icons and desktop files for the kde/gnome menu > structured by gEDA's developer PeterB/C "electronics-menu" (which is > default on fedora). I still need to find some time to push it to > freedesktop developers as their specifications does not give > electronics engineering applications its real value, but considers > those tools as "education". > > With the following spec file, I create alliance rpms. The alliance > values are sourced automatically. > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/alliance/devel/alliance.spec?view=markup Can you modify this to be a Herb spec file? Again, the paths are going to change until things stabilize, but maybe you can keep track of these changes. > I'm planning in the near future, but before F-11 release, to create a > one/two page flyer for _all_ opensource EDA tools. Herb will not have a stable release before Fedora 11. There is a *lot* of work which remains to be done. We have to get there by working together. Mukund From davidjohn.in at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 03:57:36 2009 From: davidjohn.in at gmail.com (David John) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:27:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Want FEL-11 livedvd ? In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902091359p720c6f72q8796fa0ad9070f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0902091359p720c6f72q8796fa0ad9070f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49924CB0.5020707@gmail.com> Hi Chitlesh I have been active in VLSI education for about 4 years now. Initially, I was installing tools (Alliance, Magic..) myself on Fedora 6, but maintaining the dependencies and versions became a big difficulty, since I had no expertise in managing these. It took almost 2 months of on and off work to setup all the tools as per the requirements. Soon came FEL8 and it was the perfect answer, I have been following and using the FEL distro since. So, let me thank you for bringing these tools under one controlled distro. I am already part of the mailing list, but mostly restricted to only browsing the topics every couple of days as my day job keeps me busy. The amount of time & effort I can commit right now is very small. I have a couple of friends who are also interested in improving the VLSI education scenario in India. We get together once in 6 months and conduct a 3-5 day VLSI workshop at any institute that invites us. The last workshop was conducted at Model Engineering College, Cochin and they have adopted FEL for running the curriculum lab courses. The next one is planned for late March this year. Please send me any presentation material that can be used as an official introduction to FEL (I am using it only from a VLSI perspective). The livedvd will be helpful, I can try it for the next workshop. Regards David Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello David, > > I have seen your post on > > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm/browse_thread/thread/232bf1ad5557d3ad > > Thank you for your posts about opensource EDA tools. I appreciate your > commitment. > I would like to know if you need FEL livedvds for your presentations. > I will have budget to build livedvds for the next FEL-11. If you are > interested, we can ship them to you. > > I would welcome you to join our mailing list > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh > From aanjhan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 08:22:38 2009 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:22:38 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Want FEL-11 livedvd ? In-Reply-To: <49924CB0.5020707@gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0902091359p720c6f72q8796fa0ad9070f6@mail.gmail.com> <49924CB0.5020707@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:57 AM, David John wrote: > I have a couple of friends who are also interested in improving the VLSI > education scenario in India. We get together once in 6 months and conduct a > 3-5 day VLSI workshop at any institute that invites us. The last workshop > was conducted at Model Engineering College, Cochin and they have adopted FEL > for running the curriculum lab courses. The next one is planned for late > March this year. I might be in India then. It will be nice to have the dates of the workshop on the FEL list also so that we can keep track of whats happening where. Thanks a lot for spreading FEL. > Please send me any presentation material that can be used as an official > introduction to FEL (I am using it only from a VLSI perspective). The > livedvd will be helpful, I can try it for the next workshop. We have quite a few materials for FEL. 1. Flyer that can be printed and circulated in the workshop. -> http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/10/fel-flyer-f10.pdf 2. Chitlesh's FOSDEM 2009 Presentation -> http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/RPMS/fel_fosdem.pdf 3. Aanjhan (me) 's FOSS.IN 2008 Presentation -> http://foss.in/2008/register/slides/Fedora_Electronics_Laboratory_636.pdf Also we would appreciate any contribution towards our initiative of getting all EDA related Documentations under one roof too. Check https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-electronic-lab/wiki/HowTo If you have any suggstions/ideas/WishList/Contributions to make please feel free. Thanks and Regards, Aanjhan From aanjhan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 13:20:35 2009 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:50:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Including RTEMS in FEL Message-ID: Hi Folks, I came across RTEMS - http://www.rtems.com/ and wondered, it would be nice to get it included in FEL. There is already a RPM available and also the Fedora Embedded SIG is showing some interest in this or thats what the wiki page of the SIG says. Regards, -- Aanjhan From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 11 19:29:04 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:29:04 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902111129j428f4af9ie7ea74a29bd5d92d@mail.gmail.com> Hello Tom, Following our discussion last weekend concerning the distribution of the "SystemC's SRPM WITHOUT the source" on my fas AT fedorapeople org , you proposed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/MIT I feel the " feh variant " is more appropriate in this case. I would like to have your thoughts about it. regards, Chitlesh From aanjhan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 19:39:38 2009 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:09:38 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sandesh, Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better discussion there. Regards, Aanjhan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: sandesh kamath Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM Subject: FEL To: aanjhan at gmail.com, aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com Hi Aanjhan, Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in some foss project especially some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). So in order to clear my confusions. I started looking at projects starting from my little skill set. >From my experience at SoftJin, I know little C++, Verilog, understand synthesis and routing on fpga, and familiar with GDSII, OASIS, OpenAccess and some tools. I came across FEL which you are involved in. So can you please guide me regarding this matter, as to whether I can get involved in this project or some other project you are aware of else kindly redirect me to some mentors you know who can help me with this matter. regards, Sandesh From krustev.svilen at googlemail.com Wed Feb 11 23:10:01 2009 From: krustev.svilen at googlemail.com (Svilen) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:01 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49935AC9.3050504@googlemail.com> Hi Sandesh, I have OASIS interface in the TODO list for Toped. Have a look and if you're interested and I'll be happy to discuss the things further. www.toped.org.uk Regards Svilen Aanjhan R wrote: > Hi Sandesh, > > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better discussion there. > > Regards, > Aanjhan > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: sandesh kamath > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM > Subject: FEL > To: aanjhan at gmail.com, aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com > > > Hi Aanjhan, > > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. > > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in > some foss project especially > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). > > So in order to clear my confusions. I started looking at projects > starting from my little skill set. > >From my experience at SoftJin, I know little C++, Verilog, understand > synthesis and routing on fpga, and > familiar with GDSII, OASIS, OpenAccess and some tools. > > I came across FEL which you are involved in. So can you please guide > me regarding this matter, as to > whether I can get involved in this project or some other project you > are aware of else kindly redirect me to > some mentors you know who can help me with this matter. > > regards, > Sandesh > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > From muks at banu.com Thu Feb 12 19:19:57 2009 From: muks at banu.com (Mukund Sivaraman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:19:57 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Retire Alliance RPMS on non ILP32 platforms Message-ID: <20090212191957.GA28645@naina> Hi Chitlesh I advise you to retire Alliance RPMS from non ILP32 distributions such as x86_64. Alliance code has behavioural problems which manifest themselves on such platforms. There are no compile-time warnings for some of these issues, and tools can behave in a non-deterministic manner. We are fixing these problems as we find them in Herb, but it will still be a while before Herb releases are made. Mukund From geleem at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 14 05:44:59 2009 From: geleem at bellsouth.net (g) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:44:59 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 Message-ID: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> i have run into problems in getting f10 installed and fully functional, all of which is not that relative, but brings me to questions. my intent was to use f10 for every day use, internet, personal booking, music, videos, etc, and running fel additions. i am considering a fresh install of f10 because i have not set it up for any 'personal' yet. if basic is not working, why fight desired. after some thought, i began to wonder how problems would be if i used fel10 for fresh install. so, if i install fel10, will i have same/similar problems as with f10? if i install fel10, will i have same/similar features as with f10? if i install fel10, will i have same updates as with f10 or do i need to make additions to repos list? if i install fel10, should i use f10 support list for basic problems? i also use scientific linux 5.4 for internet and email. if i install sl 5.4 for a main system, will all of fel work with sl5.4? suggestions? pointers? links? tia. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . **** in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ **** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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February 2009 12:44:59 am g, vous avez ?crit?: > i have run into problems in getting f10 installed and fully functional, > all of which is not that relative, but brings me to questions. > > my intent was to use f10 for every day use, internet, personal booking, > music, videos, etc, and running fel additions. > > i am considering a fresh install of f10 because i have not set it up for > any 'personal' yet. if basic is not working, why fight desired. > > after some thought, i began to wonder how problems would be if i used > fel10 for fresh install. > > so, > > if i install fel10, will i have same/similar problems as with f10? Yes. > if i install fel10, will i have same/similar features as with f10? Yes. > if i install fel10, will i have same updates as with f10 or do i > need to make additions to repos list? You'll have the same updates. > if i install fel10, should i use f10 support list for basic problems? Yes, you may. But for FEL-specific applications, you can use this mailing-list, we'll be glad to try and help. > i also use scientific linux 5.4 for internet and email. if i install > sl 5.4 for a main system, will all of fel work with sl5.4? What do you mean here? Not sure I get your question. Do you want to execute applications of another installation from SL5.4 ? You might experience problems doing that. Regards, Thibault > suggestions? pointers? links? > > tia. From ksandeshk at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 19:10:42 2009 From: ksandeshk at gmail.com (Sandesh Kamath) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:40:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20090212170015.F17CC8E0155@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090212170015.F17CC8E0155@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <30d470110902141110k638c7f38p74fd0c1882d42399@mail.gmail.com> Hi Svilen, I tried running toped on Fedora 10 and obtained the following error - "Toped can't obtain required GLX Visual. Check your video driver/setup please" My laptop has a nvidia graphics card. On searching for the source of error i obtaine I tried running toped on a system with ATI graphics card running Fedora 10, it too initially threw the above error but on including Section :ServerLayout" Option "GlxVisuals" "all" On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:30 PM, < fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com> wrote: > Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? (Chitlesh GOORAH) > 2. Fwd: FEL (Aanjhan R) > 3. Re: Fwd: FEL (Svilen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:29:04 +0100 > From: Chitlesh GOORAH > Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? > To: Tom spot Callaway > Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list > Message-ID: > <13dbfe4f0902111129j428f4af9ie7ea74a29bd5d92d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello Tom, > > Following our discussion last weekend concerning the distribution of > the "SystemC's SRPM WITHOUT the source" on my fas AT fedorapeople org > , you proposed > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/MIT > > I feel the " feh variant " is more appropriate in this case. I would > like to have your thoughts about it. > > regards, > Chitlesh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:09:38 +0530 > From: Aanjhan R > Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL > To: fedora-electronic-lab-list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Sandesh, > > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better discussion there. > > Regards, > Aanjhan > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: sandesh kamath > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM > Subject: FEL > To: aanjhan at gmail.com, aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com > > > Hi Aanjhan, > > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. > > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in > some foss project especially > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). > > So in order to clear my confusions. I started looking at projects > starting from my little skill set. > >From my experience at SoftJin, I know little C++, Verilog, understand > synthesis and routing on fpga, and > familiar with GDSII, OASIS, OpenAccess and some tools. > > I came across FEL which you are involved in. So can you please guide > me regarding this matter, as to > whether I can get involved in this project or some other project you > are aware of else kindly redirect me to > some mentors you know who can help me with this matter. > > regards, > Sandesh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:01 +0000 > From: Svilen > Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL > To: fedora-electronic-lab-list > Message-ID: <49935AC9.3050504 at googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Sandesh, > > I have OASIS interface in the TODO list for Toped. Have a look and if > you're interested and I'll be happy to discuss the things further. > > www.toped.org.uk > > Regards > Svilen > > Aanjhan R wrote: > > Hi Sandesh, > > > > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better discussion > there. > > > > Regards, > > Aanjhan > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: sandesh kamath > > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM > > Subject: FEL > > To: aanjhan at gmail.com, aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com > > > > > > Hi Aanjhan, > > > > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. > > > > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in > > some foss project especially > > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). > > > > So in order to clear my confusions. 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URL: From ksandeshk at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 19:26:07 2009 From: ksandeshk at gmail.com (Sandesh Kamath) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:56:07 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20090212170015.F17CC8E0155@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20090212170015.F17CC8E0155@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <30d470110902141126m5ff317bocff6e5b20aff3869@mail.gmail.com> Hi Svilen, I tried running toped on Fedora 10 and obtained the following error - "Toped can't obtain required GLX Visual. Check your video driver/setup please" My laptop has a nvidia graphics card. On searching i found the links which suggest the following workaround. to add the below lines to xorg.conf - Section ServerLayout" Option "GlxVisuals" "all" EndSection it didn't work. I tried running toped on a system with ATI graphics card running Fedora 10, it too initially threw the above error but the workaround got it running. Please do suggest as to how i can solve this problem. Regards, Sandesh On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:30 PM, < fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com> wrote: > Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? (Chitlesh GOORAH) > 2. Fwd: FEL (Aanjhan R) > 3. Re: Fwd: FEL (Svilen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:29:04 +0100 > From: Chitlesh GOORAH > Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? > To: Tom spot Callaway > Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list > Message-ID: > <13dbfe4f0902111129j428f4af9ie7ea74a29bd5d92d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello Tom, > > Following our discussion last weekend concerning the distribution of > the "SystemC's SRPM WITHOUT the source" on my fas AT fedorapeople org > , you proposed > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/MIT > > I feel the " feh variant " is more appropriate in this case. I would > like to have your thoughts about it. > > regards, > Chitlesh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:09:38 +0530 > From: Aanjhan R > Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL > To: fedora-electronic-lab-list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Sandesh, > > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better discussion there. > > Regards, > Aanjhan > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: sandesh kamath > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM > Subject: FEL > To: aanjhan at gmail.com, aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com > > > Hi Aanjhan, > > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. > > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in > some foss project especially > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). > > So in order to clear my confusions. I started looking at projects > starting from my little skill set. > >From my experience at SoftJin, I know little C++, Verilog, understand > synthesis and routing on fpga, and > familiar with GDSII, OASIS, OpenAccess and some tools. > > I came across FEL which you are involved in. So can you please guide > me regarding this matter, as to > whether I can get involved in this project or some other project you > are aware of else kindly redirect me to > some mentors you know who can help me with this matter. > > regards, > Sandesh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:01 +0000 > From: Svilen > Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL > To: fedora-electronic-lab-list > Message-ID: <49935AC9.3050504 at googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Sandesh, > > I have OASIS interface in the TODO list for Toped. Have a look and if > you're interested and I'll be happy to discuss the things further. > > www.toped.org.uk > > Regards > Svilen > > Aanjhan R wrote: > > Hi Sandesh, > > > > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better discussion > there. > > > > Regards, > > Aanjhan > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: sandesh kamath > > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM > > Subject: FEL > > To: aanjhan at gmail.com, aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com > > > > > > Hi Aanjhan, > > > > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. > > > > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in > > some foss project especially > > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). > > > > So in order to clear my confusions. 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Check your video driver/setup > please" Could be related to http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2008/07/fel-updates-on-toped-090-startup-crash.html ? regards, Aanjhan From geleem at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 14 01:11:29 2009 From: geleem at bellsouth.net (g) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:11:29 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 In-Reply-To: <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> Thibault North wrote: >> same/similar problems as with f10? > > Yes. figures. :( >> same/similar features as with f10? > > Yes. will make life easier. :) >> if i install fel10, will i have same updates as with f10 or do i >> need to make additions to repos list? > > You'll have the same updates. i had hoped so. :) > But for FEL-specific applications, you can use this > mailing-list, we'll be glad to try and help. from what i have noticed, there are a fel on fedora-list, or most are silent. i will stay with both list. more time will go to fel list when i get a *working* f10. > What do you mean here? 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Do you want to execute > applications of another installation from SL5.4 ? > You might experience problems doing that. was curious about this. sl5.4 is rhel recompiled to include grid computing and other enhancements. i believe i saw something about using el components, but do not recall what or where. will check thru sl tsl. main reason for asking was that i would rather not spend time fixing a base system when i want to do productive el work. --- from what i have been thru so far in getting a stable f10 working, it does not look all that promising. which brings further questions. which would be better, install f10, get it working, then add fel? or, install fel10, get basics working and then enjoy el? thanks for your reply. looking forward to next. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . **** in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ **** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From krustev.svilen at googlemail.com Sun Feb 15 11:39:55 2009 From: krustev.svilen at googlemail.com (Svilen) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:39:55 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <30d470110902141126m5ff317bocff6e5b20aff3869@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090212170015.F17CC8E0155@hormel.redhat.com> <30d470110902141126m5ff317bocff6e5b20aff3869@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4997FF0B.1060404@googlemail.com> Hi Sandesh, Sorry for the delay - I had a family occasions last couple of days... My base development platform is Fedora 10 on a machine with nVidia graphics card. The only difference between me and you is probably that I'm using nVidia drivers right now. Am I right to think that you're using Mesa drivers? I did tried a couple of months ago on this platform the Mesa drivers when I installed the system and it was working OK. We do have troubles these days with the GLX - they started with the latest release of Xorg, but it's very difficult to blame a particular package - it all seems to be in the dependancies. Currently I have another report about similar troubles with Ubuntu. I'm getting really concerned with this. On your question. Is it possible for you to install the nVidia driver? Have in mind that if for whatever reason want to remove it in the future - you could run in troubles with your graphics. see the link below http://www.fedorafaq.org/#nvidia Regards Svilen Sandesh Kamath wrote: > Hi Svilen, > > I tried running toped on Fedora 10 and obtained the following error - > > "Toped can't obtain required GLX Visual. Check your video driver/setup > please" > > My laptop has a nvidia graphics card. > On searching i found the links which suggest the following workaround. > to add the below lines to xorg.conf - > Section ServerLayout" > Option "GlxVisuals" "all" > EndSection > > it didn't work. > > I tried running toped on a system with ATI graphics card running > Fedora 10, it too > initially threw the above error but the workaround got it running. > > Please do suggest as to how i can solve this problem. > > Regards, > Sandesh > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:30 PM, > > wrote: > > Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner at redhat.com > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? (Chitlesh GOORAH) > 2. Fwd: FEL (Aanjhan R) > 3. Re: Fwd: FEL (Svilen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:29:04 +0100 > From: Chitlesh GOORAH > > Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? > To: Tom spot Callaway > > Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list > > > Message-ID: > > <13dbfe4f0902111129j428f4af9ie7ea74a29bd5d92d at mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello Tom, > > Following our discussion last weekend concerning the distribution of > the "SystemC's SRPM WITHOUT the source" on my fas AT fedorapeople org > , you proposed > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/MIT > > I feel the " feh variant " is more appropriate in this case. I would > like to have your thoughts about it. > > regards, > Chitlesh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:09:38 +0530 > From: Aanjhan R > > Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL > To: fedora-electronic-lab-list > > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Sandesh, > > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better > discussion there. > > Regards, > Aanjhan > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: sandesh kamath > > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM > Subject: FEL > To: aanjhan at gmail.com , > aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com > > > Hi Aanjhan, > > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. > > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in > some foss project especially > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). > > So in order to clear my confusions. I started looking at projects > starting from my little skill set. > >From my experience at SoftJin, I know little C++, Verilog, understand > synthesis and routing on fpga, and > familiar with GDSII, OASIS, OpenAccess and some tools. > > I came across FEL which you are involved in. So can you please guide > me regarding this matter, as to > whether I can get involved in this project or some other project you > are aware of else kindly redirect me to > some mentors you know who can help me with this matter. > > regards, > Sandesh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:01 +0000 > From: Svilen > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL > To: fedora-electronic-lab-list > > > Message-ID: <49935AC9.3050504 at googlemail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Sandesh, > > I have OASIS interface in the TODO list for Toped. Have a look and if > you're interested and I'll be happy to discuss the things further. > > www.toped.org.uk > > Regards > Svilen > > Aanjhan R wrote: > > Hi Sandesh, > > > > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better > discussion there. > > > > Regards, > > Aanjhan > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: sandesh kamath > > > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM > > Subject: FEL > > To: aanjhan at gmail.com , > aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com > > > > > > Hi Aanjhan, > > > > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. > > > > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get > involved in > > some foss project especially > > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). > > > > So in order to clear my confusions. I started looking at projects > > starting from my little skill set. > > >From my experience at SoftJin, I know little C++, Verilog, > understand > > synthesis and routing on fpga, and > > familiar with GDSII, OASIS, OpenAccess and some tools. > > > > I came across FEL which you are involved in. So can you please guide > > me regarding this matter, as to > > whether I can get involved in this project or some other project you > > are aware of else kindly redirect me to > > some mentors you know who can help me with this matter. > > > > regards, > > Sandesh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list > > End of Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 > ******************************************************** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 15 16:21:32 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:21:32 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 In-Reply-To: <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902150821h4e112118j51cd59901ee58bf8@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:11 AM, g wrote: > which brings further questions. > > which would be better, install f10, get it working, then add fel? > > or, install fel10, get basics working and then enjoy el? Hello "g", As Thibault said, all FEL apps are available on standard fedora 10. To clarify, the Fedora Electronic Lab LiveDVD 10 is Fedora 10 + KDE + electronic design and simulation software. So if you have fedora 10, you just yum install any FEL applications you want. Work is being done to embrace other Enterprise class distributions such as Centos and RHEL via the EPEL 5 repository. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL Some FEL applications such as gEDA/gaf, perl-verilog modules are already available on EL-5 repository. The updates on that repository is rare compared to that of F10 updates. However I have no idea if EPEL is compatible with ScientificLinux5. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 16:31:23 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:31:23 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: F11 Xorg/Mesa/DRI testing proposal In-Reply-To: <20090213013850.6e4b0f6c@olorin> References: <20090213013850.6e4b0f6c@olorin> Message-ID: <50baabb30902150831n6337142tbcb1e221548129aa@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:38 AM, FD Cami wrote: > > Hi, > > We would like to organize efficient Xorg/Mesa/DRI testing before F11 GA. > > Our goal is to record what works as expected on mainstream, supported > hardware with free drivers (nv, i810, radeon, soon nouveau), what does > not, and track regressions from Alpha to GA. > Hello there, I have many users complaining a specific application "toped" is failing under ati based graphic cards. " Toped can't obtain required GLX Visual. Check your video driver/setup please" I would appreciate if you could have a look at it and give us (on fedora electronic lab mailing list) some pointers how to fix it. Upstream of "toped" is active and willing to get some clue how to fix it. Currently F10 and as well ubuntu users suffers from this issue. This application also fails on my laptop so I can serve as a guinea pig to find a possible fix. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 15 16:59:49 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:59:49 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Embedded SIG ( Re:Including RTEMS in FEL) Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902150859h41a4aabsd44940f94327a158@mail.gmail.com> Hello dear Embedded SIG, We have received many requests from users for more embedded support on fedora. My knowledge in this field is limited and thereby I'm reaching to you. Currently, at Fedora, we have Fedora-Electronic-Lab, Fedora Arm and Fedora Embedded all focussing on different kind of electronics. The actual status is FEL and F-arm have a mailing list and leaving Embedded SIG on "one on one" contact. But F-arm mailing list does not have any traffic. Thereby I'm inviting you to join FEL mailing list https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list in hope to join forces and provide a better design and simulation platform on fedora. During FOSDEM, I talked to Max and Greg requesting them to get someone inside RH to include eCos on fedora. However it is not very clear for many people in terms of embedded where is the limit. Is it only design tools or should provide an additional OS ? This question has popped several times and needs your input to clarify our roadmap. Kind regards, Chitlesh From krustev.svilen at googlemail.com Sun Feb 15 17:00:44 2009 From: krustev.svilen at googlemail.com (Svilen) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:00:44 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: F11 Xorg/Mesa/DRI testing proposal In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902150831n6337142tbcb1e221548129aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090213013850.6e4b0f6c@olorin> <50baabb30902150831n6337142tbcb1e221548129aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234717244.5892.17.camel@troy.domain.sim> Chitlesh, Thanks for this. I was thinking how to raise this officially. I'm increasingly worried about this and certainly need help. The issue can't be addressed to a particular package. As you know Toped is only on top of the stack trying to use wxWidgets/GLX/openGL/drivers/graphic cards. Having in mind that there are several possible packages in this chain and hundreds of graphic cards something certainly has to be done to get the things back on track. I'm ready to invest time to help and also to change the way I'm initialising my graphics, but as I mentioned before - not much I can do, because I'm rather an user of this. Will be happy to help ! I've quoted this several times, but it can be used as a starting point not only for Fedora 9. http://toped.wikispaces.com/Toped+on+Fedora+9 Also - we've got complaints now for FC10 with nVidia card and Mesa drivers. Don't have more details yet (waiting a response from Sandesh) Regards Svilen P.S. Feel free to forward this to other mailing lists which I can't post to. On Sun, 2009-02-15 at 17:31 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:38 AM, FD Cami wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We would like to organize efficient Xorg/Mesa/DRI testing before F11 GA. > > > > Our goal is to record what works as expected on mainstream, supported > > hardware with free drivers (nv, i810, radeon, soon nouveau), what does > > not, and track regressions from Alpha to GA. > > > > Hello there, > > I have many users complaining a specific application "toped" is > failing under ati based graphic cards. > > " Toped can't obtain required GLX Visual. Check your video driver/setup please" > > I would appreciate if you could have a look at it and give us (on > fedora electronic lab mailing list) some pointers how to fix it. > Upstream of "toped" is active and willing to get some clue how to fix > it. > > Currently F10 and as well ubuntu users suffers from this issue. > This application also fails on my laptop so I can serve as a guinea > pig to find a possible fix. > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list > Fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list From geleem at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 03:35:19 2009 From: geleem at bellsouth.net (g) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:35:19 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902150821h4e112118j51cd59901ee58bf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> <13dbfe4f0902150821h4e112118j51cd59901ee58bf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4998DEF7.3060603@bellsouth.net> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > So if you have fedora 10, you just yum install any FEL applications you want. are fel apps repos list in with f10 install default repos list, or do i need to add them to list? > Work is being done to embrace other Enterprise class distributions > such as Centos and RHEL via the EPEL 5 repository. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL after a quick scanning and searching scientific linux site, i did not find reference to fel. because i previously had epel 5 page bookmarked, this may be where my thinking about connection to sl was coming from. > Some FEL applications such as gEDA/gaf, perl-verilog modules are > already available on EL-5 repository. The updates on that repository > is rare compared to that of F10 updates. [reasoning for above question] > However I have no idea if EPEL is compatible with ScientificLinux5. i will be finding out. and this brings another question. are fel-5 libs dependent on kde-4 or independent? /* fel & epel & rhel = too many 'el'. if ever a change, i vote fedl = fedora electronic design lab */ i thank you for your reply. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . **** in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ **** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It could also be that you are bringing together people from both the hardware/embedded software camps. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From ralf.corsepius at rtems.org Mon Feb 16 06:22:51 2009 From: ralf.corsepius at rtems.org (Ralf Corsepius) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:22:51 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Embedded SIG In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902150859h41a4aabsd44940f94327a158@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0902150859h41a4aabsd44940f94327a158@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4999063B.5010409@rtems.org> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > During FOSDEM, I talked to Max and Greg requesting them to get someone > inside RH to include eCos on fedora. However it is not very clear for > many people in terms of embedded where is the limit. Is it only design > tools or should provide an additional OS ? This question has popped > several times and needs your input to clarify our roadmap. > I don't regard this as a problem specific to embedded package. To me, "embedded packages" are normal packages like any others, i.e. are subject to the normal rules for including packages into Fedora. The actual problems with embedded packages are elsewhere: - Their target audience is comparatively small => Little "end-user demand", little "developer interest". - Embedded packages tend to be huge. => Mainstream users will accuse "Embedded stuff" to unnecessarily bloat Fedora. - Embedded packages tend to be technically complex (e.g. cross-compilation) and to diverge from "native packaging" (e.g. shipping source code as contents) => Fedora's review/maintenance infrastructure (reviews) and tools (esp: rpm) are not in a shape to make "getting such embedded packages into Fedora" easy. They often end-up in rejected, withdrawn submissions combined with endless discussions on details. - Due to the limited audience of "embedded products", the overhead/difficulties getting packages into Fedora implies and different objectives ("embedded vendor" vs. Fedora/RH), vendors of "embedded products" tend to provide packages of their own. => Adding their packages to Fedora is of limited interest to them. Ralf From dwmw2 at infradead.org Mon Feb 16 15:41:05 2009 From: dwmw2 at infradead.org (David Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:41:05 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: [fedora-arm] Embedded SIG ( Re:Including RTEMS in FEL) In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902150859h41a4aabsd44940f94327a158@mail.gmail.com> References: <13dbfe4f0902150859h41a4aabsd44940f94327a158@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234798866.4738.26.camel@macbook.infradead.org> On Sun, 2009-02-15 at 17:59 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > During FOSDEM, I talked to Max and Greg requesting them to get someone > inside RH to include eCos on fedora. However it is not very clear for > many people in terms of embedded where is the limit. Is it only design > tools or should provide an additional OS ? This question has popped > several times and needs your input to clarify our roadmap. You want to package eCos, or the eCos tools (ecosconfig, basically)? The latter would certainly make sense. And is fairly small. -- David Woodhouse Open Source Technology Centre David.Woodhouse at intel.com Intel Corporation From tnorth at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 19:25:34 2009 From: tnorth at fedoraproject.org (Thibault North) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:25:34 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Retire Alliance RPMS on non ILP32 platforms In-Reply-To: <20090212191957.GA28645@naina> References: <20090212191957.GA28645@naina> Message-ID: <200902161425.34463.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Le Thursday, 12. February 2009 02:19:57 pm Mukund Sivaraman, vous avez ?crit?: > Hi Chitlesh > > I advise you to retire Alliance RPMS from non ILP32 distributions such > as x86_64. Alliance code has behavioural problems which manifest > themselves on such platforms. There are no compile-time warnings for > some of these issues, and tools can behave in a non-deterministic > manner. > > We are fixing these problems as we find them in Herb, but it will still > be a while before Herb releases are made. > > Mukund Hi Mukund, Could you please test real examples on both i386 and x86_64 and show where the results diverge ? Having these concrete results, we'll discuss it with upstream and see how we can fix it for alliance. Regards, Thibault From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 21:37:55 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:37:55 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Retire Alliance RPMS on non ILP32 platforms In-Reply-To: <200902161425.34463.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090212191957.GA28645@naina> <200902161425.34463.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902161337l142f038cxf08a905a8373b644@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Thibault North wrote: > Le Thursday, 12. February 2009 02:19:57 pm Mukund Sivaraman, vous avez ?crit : >> Hi Chitlesh >> >> I advise you to retire Alliance RPMS from non ILP32 distributions such >> as x86_64. Alliance code has behavioural problems which manifest >> themselves on such platforms. There are no compile-time warnings for >> some of these issues, and tools can behave in a non-deterministic >> manner. >> >> We are fixing these problems as we find them in Herb, but it will still >> be a while before Herb releases are made. Hello Mukund, I would recommend you to give us some details about those behavioural problems. A fedora contributor gladly offered me access to his x86_64 machine via ssh. Based on your details, I could carry out the testing and report back to you. Since currently Alliance can be easily deployed and herb is not, i think for you it would be better to use alliance as a testbed and port eventual back to herb. FEL users can also report back or confirm eventual issues since they can easily install it. In the long run, it will help you optimize herb's state. At the same time, the sooner we will have a herb release. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 21:58:05 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:58:05 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: [fedora-arm] Embedded SIG ( Re:Including RTEMS in FEL) In-Reply-To: <1234798866.4738.26.camel@macbook.infradead.org> References: <13dbfe4f0902150859h41a4aabsd44940f94327a158@mail.gmail.com> <1234798866.4738.26.camel@macbook.infradead.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902161358ia29e7cen390acf76fc84a5ab@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: > > You want to package eCos, or the eCos tools (ecosconfig, basically)? > > The latter would certainly make sense. And is fairly small. Hello David, Would you mind start rpmbuild its package for us :) ? I will stand by you. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 22:04:13 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:04:13 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 In-Reply-To: <4998DEF7.3060603@bellsouth.net> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> <13dbfe4f0902150821h4e112118j51cd59901ee58bf8@mail.gmail.com> <4998DEF7.3060603@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902161404o5bfe7d88xc9fbf3cc54d2be57@mail.gmail.com> Hello On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:35 AM, g wrote: > are fel apps repos list in with f10 install default repos list, or do i need > to add them to list? All FEL apps comes only from official fedora repositories. You don't have to do any additional configurations upon a default fedora install. > after a quick scanning and searching scientific linux site, i did not find > reference to fel. All FEL relevant articles or packages are solely in the Fedora environment. Thereby, you won't see fel rpm packages on other distributions, unless they create it for you. > are fel-5 libs dependent on kde-4 or independent? The design tools are independent of KDE4. However some GUI might require KDE4/QT4 libs, such as QtOctave. Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 22:14:17 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:14:17 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Getting Started with FEL In-Reply-To: <736756.90911.qm@web63707.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <736756.90911.qm@web63707.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902161414j361a08f7r5c798ec6b8ce29a7@mail.gmail.com> On Saturday, Jeffrey Wilinski wrote: > Dear Chitlesh, > > I am impressed with the Fedora EL. So impressed in fact, that I would like > to download and try it out. I need a little help to get started. > > Okay I have a spare hard drive to use that is 13meg. I know that is small > but right now that is all that is available. I don't want to partition my > main drive because it is too risky and all of my work is on there. I cannot > afford to alter it. > > To use your lab, can you guide me on the basic steps to get started? Okay I > know I need the lab program and a Fedora release. I can use GRUB to do a > dual boot. > > What do you recommend for me to get started? For now, consider me "dumb". > This is okay. If you feel that 13Meg is just too small, I can move Ubuntu > from a 40Meg drive to the 13Meg drive on another machine. If it is okay with > you, I would like to stay focused on your lab: Install a working Fedora > release and then install the lab, without playing around with games or any > other applications, and then work with the lab. > > Do you have time to help me with the basics? I know the chip design process > and have used MAGIC and LASI in the past for small designs. > > Thank you Chitlesh for your time. > > Regards, > > Jeff > Hello Jeff, Please accept my apologies for not replying earlier. Indeed 40Meg is too small. I would recommend you to use our new Fedora USB feature [1]. The idea behind the Fedora USB feature is to allow anyone to create liveusb stick based on Fedora iso. Hence you can have your FEL in your usbstick and walk with it anywhere you want. There is also a small windows software[2] to create such liveusb image. The wiki page [2] describes how to create such liveusb disk. Using the persistant mode you can even save your data on the usb stick. I invite you to join our mailing list [3]. Happy Chip design with your usbstick. [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo [2]: https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ [3]: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-electronic-lab-list/ Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 16 22:19:43 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:19:43 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Embedded SIG In-Reply-To: <4999063B.5010409@rtems.org> References: <13dbfe4f0902150859h41a4aabsd44940f94327a158@mail.gmail.com> <4999063B.5010409@rtems.org> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902161419y1b221a46v48dbfa753155f761@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > The actual problems with embedded packages are elsewhere: > - Their target audience is comparatively small > => Little "end-user demand", little "developer interest". Hello Ralf, You are quite negative on this embedded solutions on fedora. FEL apps are mostly ASIC oriented and the target audience is even smaller than embedded. Nevertheless, FEL did attract a fair number of eyes. We currently have a good set of embedded solutions included on fedora (thanks embedded sig). I would rather wish little by little we shape that field for better design experience. I need your support on this :) Kind regards, Chitlesh From geleem at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 22:46:45 2009 From: geleem at bellsouth.net (g) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:46:45 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902161404o5bfe7d88xc9fbf3cc54d2be57@mail.gmail.com> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> <13dbfe4f0902150821h4e112118j51cd59901ee58bf8@mail.gmail.com> <4998DEF7.3060603@bellsouth.net> <13dbfe4f0902161404o5bfe7d88xc9fbf3cc54d2be57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4999ECD5.3090701@bellsouth.net> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > All FEL apps comes only from official fedora repositories. You don't > have to do any additional configurations upon a default fedora > install. more easy life. :) > >> after a quick scanning and searching scientific linux site, i did not find >> reference to fel. > > All FEL relevant articles or packages are solely in the Fedora > environment. Thereby, you won't see fel rpm packages on other > distributions, unless they create it for you. understood. word i used was 'reference' as i was looking just for any mention. not packages them selves. > The design tools are independent of KDE4. However some GUI might > require KDE4/QT4 libs, such as QtOctave. to further clarify my questioning, i was wondering if any of tools can be called from cl and not have to go thru kde. this would cut down on memory usage and all more memory for tools. or put another way, will any tools run outside of kde? again, i thank you for your response. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . **** in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ **** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Which represents overhead under a non-KDE desktop, but not much). This should really not be an issue, it will just take a few more seconds to show up than under KDE. Then once the libs are loaded, they will be shared between Qt apps. Cheers, Thibault From geleem at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 17 01:53:23 2009 From: geleem at bellsouth.net (g) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:53:23 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.2 In-Reply-To: <200902161752.05056.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <13dbfe4f0902161404o5bfe7d88xc9fbf3cc54d2be57@mail.gmail.com> <4999ECD5.3090701@bellsouth.net> <200902161752.05056.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <499A1893.9040901@bellsouth.net> Thibault North wrote: > Hi, hello. > Yes, these tools will run out of KDE, but the Qt and/or kdelibs will have to > be loaded. (Which represents overhead under a non-KDE desktop, but not much). ok. i do have x installed. i just do not care much for kde4. [in spite of what kde says of not trying to be another vista top] if i can run outside of it, i would rather. thanks for reply. -- suggestions? pointers? links? tia. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . **** in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ **** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, I regret if it sounded this way, however what I wrote is based on personal experience, both as RTEMS upstream maintainer and as Fedora contributor. Let me try to elaborate: >> The actual problems with embedded packages are elsewhere: >> - Their target audience is comparatively small >> => Little "end-user demand", little "developer interest". Fact is, our user-base is small and doesn't overlap much with Fedora's user-base. It's just that most of the people who develop RTEMS (me being one of these) happen to use Fedora, while the community which is developing applications with RTEMS and contributed to RTEMS happens to use many OSes. Adding to this, is the fact that professional embedded applications[1] tend to have very long life-/support-cycles and users using other tools which are not available on each host OS. All in all this leads to a tendency of RTEMS users to apply "caged and/or frozen" devel environments and them to be ultra-conservative OS-choice-wise. => RTEMS's user-base is not necessarily Fedora's user-base. Now, some of you likely will want to point to CentOS. Yes, CentOS is quite suitable for users who have application in "long term/keep alive maintenance". Unfortunately CentOS is too outdated when it comes to upstream RTEMS development. Here, instead of replacing packages from CentOS, our escape is to ship a caged development suite (installed to /opt/rtems-) ourselves. >> - Embedded packages tend to be huge. >> => Mainstream users will accuse "Embedded stuff" to unnecessarily bloat Fedora. The size of the Fedora RTEMS toolchain packages alone (not taking into account the other OSes we are supporting) are measured in GigaBytes. I for one don't have much of a problem in adding this amount of packages to Fedora, but will the community be willing to accept this? I would expect no, because related complaints already have popped up several times before. >> - Embedded packages tend to be technically complex (e.g. cross-compilation) and to diverge from "native packaging" (e.g. shipping source code as contents) >> => Fedora's review/maintenance infrastructure (reviews) and tools (esp: rpm) are not in a shape to make "getting such embedded packages into Fedora" easy. They often end-up in rejected, withdrawn submissions combined with endless discussions on details. Well, there is nothing much to add. It's simply a fact. Packaging cross-toolchains is complex due to it tripping over many pit-falls lurking inside of the "Fedora eco-systems", notably rpm. >> - Due to the limited audience of "embedded products", the overhead/difficulties getting packages into Fedora implies and different objectives ("embedded vendor" vs. Fedora/RH), vendors of "embedded products" tend to provide packages of their own. >> => Adding their packages to Fedora is of limited interest to them. I once had submitted some rtems packages, but ... after they had been lingering around unattended in the review queue for many months (IIRC > 1 years), I turned away and withdrew them. ... the sad thing about this: These had been the simple packages - The really complex ones had not even been submitted [2] > FEL apps are mostly ASIC oriented and the target audience is even > smaller than embedded. ASICs are not my domain, but I would not want to deny this thought. > Nevertheless, FEL did attract a fair number of > eyes. We currently have a good set of embedded solutions included on > fedora (thanks embedded sig). I would rather wish little by little we > shape that field for better design experience. I need your support on > this :) Welcome, I am willing to help. Ralf [1] RTEMS is e.g. being used in automotive, automation/control, flight and space applications. [2] RTEMS is using newlib (The same libc cygwin uses as libc). Last time I counted, newlib had consisted of files using 28 different licenses :-) From ksandeshk at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 10:23:01 2009 From: ksandeshk at gmail.com (Sandesh Kamath) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:53:01 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <4997FF0B.1060404@googlemail.com> References: <20090212170015.F17CC8E0155@hormel.redhat.com> <30d470110902141126m5ff317bocff6e5b20aff3869@mail.gmail.com> <4997FF0B.1060404@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <30d470110902170223i62dd944dx20151ba23ab1486d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Svilen, Sorry for the late reply had some connectivity problem due to some fault at the ISP. Coming to the problem, I am not sure about the driver used earlier, it must be the one which is installed by default. As for the error, it got solved after i installed the proprietary nVidia driver by "yum install kmod-nvidia". Please do tell me if you want any specific data in order to identify the source of error before I installed the nVidia driver. Also, i encountered a strange problem with the keyboard which got stuck during the installation but the mouse worked. I had to logout and login as root to continue the installation of the driver. Later though i could not login as normal user as the keyboard stopped working after logging in. I simply created a new user and am using the same. regards, Sandesh On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Svilen wrote: > Hi Sandesh, > > Sorry for the delay - I had a family occasions last couple of days... > > My base development platform is Fedora 10 on a machine with nVidia graphics > card. The only difference between me and you is probably that I'm using > nVidia drivers right now. Am I right to think that you're using Mesa > drivers? I did tried a couple of months ago on this platform the Mesa > drivers when I installed the system and it was working OK. > We do have troubles these days with the GLX - they started with the latest > release of Xorg, but it's very difficult to blame a particular package - it > all seems to be in the dependancies. Currently I have another report about > similar troubles with Ubuntu. I'm getting really concerned with this. > > On your question. Is it possible for you to install the nVidia driver? Have > in mind that if for whatever reason want to remove it in the future - you > could run in troubles with your graphics. > see the link below > > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#nvidia > > Regards > Svilen > > Sandesh Kamath wrote: > >> Hi Svilen, >> >> I tried running toped on Fedora 10 and obtained the following error - >> >> "Toped can't obtain required GLX Visual. Check your video driver/setup >> please" >> >> My laptop has a nvidia graphics card. >> On searching i found the links which suggest the following workaround. >> to add the below lines to xorg.conf - >> Section ServerLayout" >> Option "GlxVisuals" "all" >> EndSection >> >> it didn't work. >> >> I tried running toped on a system with ATI graphics card running Fedora >> 10, it too >> initially threw the above error but the workaround got it running. >> >> Please do suggest as to how i can solve this problem. >> >> Regards, >> Sandesh >> >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:30 PM, < >> fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com > fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com>> wrote: >> >> Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to >> fedora-electronic-lab-list at redhat.com >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fedora-electronic-lab-list-request at redhat.com >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner at redhat.com >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? (Chitlesh GOORAH) >> 2. Fwd: FEL (Aanjhan R) >> 3. Re: Fwd: FEL (Svilen) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:29:04 +0100 >> From: Chitlesh GOORAH > > >> Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] SystemC SRPM License: MIT ? >> To: Tom spot Callaway > > >> Cc: fedora-electronic-lab-list >> > > >> Message-ID: >> <13dbfe4f0902111129j428f4af9ie7ea74a29bd5d92d at mail.gmail.com >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Hello Tom, >> >> Following our discussion last weekend concerning the distribution of >> the "SystemC's SRPM WITHOUT the source" on my fas AT fedorapeople org >> , you proposed >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/MIT >> >> I feel the " feh variant " is more appropriate in this case. I would >> like to have your thoughts about it. >> >> regards, >> Chitlesh >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:09:38 +0530 >> From: Aanjhan R > >> Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL >> To: fedora-electronic-lab-list >> > > >> Message-ID: >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Sandesh, >> >> Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better >> discussion there. >> >> Regards, >> Aanjhan >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: sandesh kamath > > >> Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM >> Subject: FEL >> To: aanjhan at gmail.com , >> aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com >> >> >> Hi Aanjhan, >> >> Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. >> >> Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get involved in >> some foss project especially >> some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). >> >> So in order to clear my confusions. I started looking at projects >> starting from my little skill set. >> >From my experience at SoftJin, I know little C++, Verilog, understand >> synthesis and routing on fpga, and >> familiar with GDSII, OASIS, OpenAccess and some tools. >> >> I came across FEL which you are involved in. So can you please guide >> me regarding this matter, as to >> whether I can get involved in this project or some other project you >> are aware of else kindly redirect me to >> some mentors you know who can help me with this matter. >> >> regards, >> Sandesh >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:01 +0000 >> From: Svilen > > >> Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: FEL >> To: fedora-electronic-lab-list >> > > >> Message-ID: <49935AC9.3050504 at googlemail.com >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Sandesh, >> >> I have OASIS interface in the TODO list for Toped. Have a look and if >> you're interested and I'll be happy to discuss the things further. >> >> www.toped.org.uk >> >> Regards >> Svilen >> >> Aanjhan R wrote: >> > Hi Sandesh, >> > >> > Nice to see your mail. Am CC'ing the FEL list for better >> discussion there. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Aanjhan >> > >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: sandesh kamath > > >> > Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM >> > Subject: FEL >> > To: aanjhan at gmail.com , >> aanjhan at tuxmaniac.com >> > >> > >> > Hi Aanjhan, >> > >> > Its been sometime since we met at GnuGrazing the lasttime. >> > >> > Currently I have few months in hand and am looking to get >> involved in >> > some foss project especially >> > some sort of internship (something like NRCFOSS, etc.). >> > >> > So in order to clear my confusions. 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Hello Jeffrey, The minimum size of is 2 GB, however I would recommended you at least 8 GB. The reason behind this is sometimes, designers can be too huge that it needs a lot of space to simulate and debug. Could you please tell us why you need a mentor? If it is related to electronics, I believe Fedora Electronic Lab's mailing list is appropriate. Else Fedora mentor's mailing lists. Kind regards, Chitlesh From himanshuladhocus at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:48:42 2009 From: himanshuladhocus at gmail.com (himanshu lad) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:18:42 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Problem in configuring network and Touchpad Message-ID: <585855830902180248n48307f2bua9d9f9ef3cafdba0@mail.gmail.com> Friends I have a problem with setting up network in FEL10. I am unable to set the IP,Netmask,Default gateway,.... manually.In my college it defaults to the setings provided by DHCP servers in the COMPUTER department which is used for their experiments and is somehow not configure to work with internet, implies my FEL installation does not have internet connection . Also I am used to set right click in the top right corner of the touchpad, in FEL9 I had configured the xorg.conf to behave in desired fashion . FEL 10 doesnot have a xorg.conf file. Please help...... Himanshu Lad OPENFREAK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However you can create yours with: $ system-config-display --reconfig Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 19 17:04:36 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:04:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FYI: Fwd: layout editor on Fedora Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902190904q3ef9a886hb92ec0114fbd0ae4@mail.gmail.com> FYI: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: J?rgen Thies Date: Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM Subject: Re: layout editor on Fedora To: Chitlesh GOORAH Hi Chitlesh, i am sorry, i don't have a useable SRPM. The RPMs on my website contains additonal non gpl/close source features. Therefor i can not give the source for it away. The source of the gpl licensed basics of the LayoutEditor is included in every package as a zip file. Best regards J?rgen Thies ****************************************************************************************** juspertor UG (haftungsbeschr?nkt), Hans-Durach-Str. 4, 82008 Unterhaching, Germany, Fax: +49 89 2158674 1, email: juergen.thies at juspertor.com ****************************************************************************************** Am Mittwoch, 18. Februar 2009 20:33:42 schrieben Sie: > Hello Jurgen, > > I am the Fedora Electronic Lab Architect [1] and I promote opensource > EDA tools through Fedora. I have seen you have Fedora rpms on your > download section. Can you provide me with your SRPM so that I could > package it for fedora and hopefully include it as soon as possible ? > > [1] : http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh GOORAH From marcusescobosa at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:16:22 2009 From: marcusescobosa at gmail.com (marcus escobosa) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:16:22 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Video Problem during Install Message-ID: I have a problem installing FEL due to a video problem. The video works up to the point of selecting the type of installation, and then crashes as it tries to draw the desktop. I can install with the command line option however. Is there a way to select a generic video driver? I have several linux distributions running on my VM (Fedora 3, Centos 5, Suse, Ubuntu, Puppy), this is the first to not work. I'm using Paralles running on a Mac notebook. 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Plymouth in this doc http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html ? regards, Chitlesh From gremlin at gremlin.it Thu Feb 19 22:00:34 2009 From: gremlin at gremlin.it (Alessandro GARDICH) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:00:34 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Embedded SIG (continued) Message-ID: <499DD682.7010605@gremlin.it> Hi all I'm interested in Linux Embedded since some years. I talk with Chitlesh at FOSDEM and he invite me to join this mailing list, I join a bit late so I'm re-opening (restarting) this thread. In my opinion what FEL can provide is basically three things : 1) all the companion software need to install specific software 2) provide stable version of well known and most used tools 3) provide pre-configured tools for specific hardware point 1) is about already well done also by standard Fedora, providing all tool necessary to build ourself a toolchain or another, provide bitbake and git to make really simple to and use OpenEmbedded so I think what is maybe missing are just a bounce of packages. point 2) is important for newbies mainly, when you are starting a project, be able to test a new tool just installing some packages can really make the difference. Maybe later when the work become hard could be necessary to not use preconfigured tools but build ourself or use the latest (and unstable) ones ... but at least at the beginning all was easy. point 3) is a step over point 2), I think about two kind of hardware, official dev-boards and cheap ones. Taking Omap3 as an example the OMAP35x Evaluation Module (EVM) and the Beagle Board I'm part of OpenEmbedded project, we try to provide a simple way to develop for embedded devices. Maybe could not be a good solution to provide a lot of similar toolchains for different hardware but can be useful to provide some easy way (script os so) to build toolchains for well known hardware, during FOSDEM was also shown an Eclipse integration with BitBake/OpenEmbedded to facilitate many operations. I'll like to play time to time with small 8bit uC, and have in Fedora packages ready to use for AVR or MSP430 is a great thing! I would like to reach the same level also for small uC ARM board (with eCos or freeRTOS) and maybe also for big devices as BeagleBoard, Neuros OSD2, Nokia N8x0 and more. thanks all -- /------------------------------------------------\ | Alessandro Gardich : gremlin#gremlin!it | >------------------------------------------------< | I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. | | A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough | | without ever having felt sorry for itself. | \------------------------------------------------/ From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 12:17:30 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:17:30 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Your views on "trac on a Livecd " ? Message-ID: <50baabb30902210417x5f87451fi6928de04c41957fd@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, My intension is to enhance project management (with respect to electronics) experience while designing hardware with FEL. So on the FEL Livedvd which is a marketing medium, I wish to give users an _example_ about how they can use trac and git/svn for hardware development and track the open tickets. Thereby in the quest of improving the hardware design methodologies on FEL, and expanding our marketing portfolio, I wish to hear from you how I can implement such trac/git/svn session on the LiveDVD if I provide some contents (examples) ? Kind regards, Chitlesh From shakthimaan at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 14:16:12 2009 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:46:12 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Your views on "trac on a Livecd " ? In-Reply-To: <50baabb30902210417x5f87451fi6928de04c41957fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30902210417x5f87451fi6928de04c41957fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: | I wish to hear from you how I can implement | such trac/git/svn session on the LiveDVD if I provide some contents | (examples) ? \-- There is a video session and presentation on git tutorial by Bart Trojanowski which is really good. You can ask him if it can be shipped with the DVD? He gave me permission to re-use his presentation under CC with attribution: http://excess.org/article/2008/07/ogre-git-tutorial/ SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 23 23:05:18 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:05:18 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 In-Reply-To: <49A3061B.3000808@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> <13dbfe4f0902150821h4e112118j51cd59901ee58bf8@mail.gmail.com> <49A3061B.3000808@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902231505w2b2cff3dh6c8fc232b401d343@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Robin Laing wrote: > This how I installed my F10 and Electronics tools. > > It would be nice if there was a group install for FEL in Fedora so you could > just do yum groupinstall electronics. > Hello Robin, Last weekend, I have made a few commits with respect to that group install support. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-commits/2009-February/msg06614.html If my commits pass testing we will have group install for F11. Any rawhide(Fedora-devel) user will soon (in one day) be able to yum groupinstall electronic-lab. kind regards, Chitlesh From shakthimaan at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 13:05:37 2009 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:35:37 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL md5sum Message-ID: Hi, I downloaded Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL.torrent and downloaded the .iso successfully with bittorrent. But, md5sum of the downloaded image varies with that of the SHA1SUM. Can anyone verify that the SHA1SUM is correct? $ md5sum Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL/F10-i686-Live-FEL.iso 9116c9c56e302554cc80cb383be1bfaf Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL/F10-i686-Live-FEL.iso $ cat Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL/SHA1SUM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 14a153b4eabe20144dd38614da6d44625416895c *F10-i686-Live-FEL.iso -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJJaKPvyJvzE6/wnMRAm2MAJ4kOMdgE+N8vgfjESwVLS8LLZvZ9QCgod4A 1R4fKwfFjK66Hwk3PowynfA= =aTCF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Thanks! SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 13:24:13 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:54:13 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL md5sum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I downloaded Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL.torrent and downloaded the .iso > successfully with bittorrent. But, md5sum of the downloaded image > varies with that of the SHA1SUM. Can anyone verify that the SHA1SUM is > correct? Well, of course they will differ, md5 and sha1 uses different algo. But generally, when downloaded via torrent, the image is automatically verified. Still if you want to cross check, here is the link :) http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify. Thanks . :) -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from: Calcutta Wb India. From shakthimaan at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 13:34:38 2009 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:04:38 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL md5sum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, --- On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: | Well, of course they will differ, md5 and sha1 uses different algo. | But generally, when downloaded via torrent, the image is automatically | verified. | | Still if you want to cross check, here is the link :) | http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify. \-- Thanks! That helped. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 24 18:22:36 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:22:36 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Embedded SIG (continued) In-Reply-To: <499DD682.7010605@gremlin.it> References: <499DD682.7010605@gremlin.it> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902241022v742e4289u74224aadd8d7ba0a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Alessandro GARDICH wrote: > I'm part of OpenEmbedded project, we try to provide a simple way to develop > for embedded devices. > FOSDEM was also shown an Eclipse integration with BitBake/OpenEmbedded to > facilitate many operations. Hello Alessandro, I will take your suggestions into consideration during F12 development cycle. Currently I have to finish my F11 tasks. However, I will try to make my best to improve the embedded support on eclipse. Any url to the FOSDEM presentation ? As for what I see, there are a couple of plugins missing such as eclox, sdcc,... regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 20:33:06 2009 From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:33:06 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] openocd fedora SRPM Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902241233l4faceae5u284907b8463e6aaf@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, I have seen you have a fedora rpm for openocd on your download section. Is it possible for you to provide me with your SRPM please ? I am willing to include it into Fedora and eventually on the Fedora Electronic Lab 11 LiveDVD [1]. I would even be happy if you are willing to package it for fedora and I will guide you through the review process. I think openocd will be a good asset to the Fedora Electronic Lab collection and fulfil my users' needs for embedded design. [1]: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL Kind regards, Chitlesh Goorah From Robin.Laing at drdc-rddc.gc.ca Wed Feb 25 21:38:14 2009 From: Robin.Laing at drdc-rddc.gc.ca (Robin Laing) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:38:14 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] fel10 or f10 or sl5.4 In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902231505w2b2cff3dh6c8fc232b401d343@mail.gmail.com> References: <49965A5B.3030109@bellsouth.net> <200902141154.58693.tnorth@fedoraproject.org> <49961A41.2010302@bellsouth.net> <13dbfe4f0902150821h4e112118j51cd59901ee58bf8@mail.gmail.com> <49A3061B.3000808@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> <13dbfe4f0902231505w2b2cff3dh6c8fc232b401d343@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A5BA46.5010804@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Robin Laing wrote: >> This how I installed my F10 and Electronics tools. >> >> It would be nice if there was a group install for FEL in Fedora so you could >> just do yum groupinstall electronics. >> > > Hello Robin, > > Last weekend, I have made a few commits with respect to that group > install support. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-commits/2009-February/msg06614.html > > If my commits pass testing we will have group install for F11. Any > rawhide(Fedora-devel) user will soon (in one day) be able to yum > groupinstall electronic-lab. > > kind regards, > Chitlesh > > Thanks for the information. It is nice to see. -- Robin Laing From tomkonikkara at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 04:07:11 2009 From: tomkonikkara at gmail.com (Tom varghese) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:37:11 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL becomes slow in old PCs Message-ID: <5124c8500902252007o7a0194ct19a5dcbb3010ae7a@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, I am using Intel pentium 4 PC with 256MB of RAM. Ordinary fedora is not much slow in my computer. But FEL becomes too slow such a way that nothing can be done quickly. Is there any solution? Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 26 17:28:19 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:28:19 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL becomes slow in old PCs In-Reply-To: <5124c8500902252007o7a0194ct19a5dcbb3010ae7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5124c8500902252007o7a0194ct19a5dcbb3010ae7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902260928w49b59581yaf0eeea805f6c62@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Tom varghese wrote: > Hi there, > I am using Intel pentium 4 PC with 256MB of RAM. Ordinary fedora is not much > slow in my computer. But FEL becomes too slow such a way that nothing can be > done quickly. Is there any solution? > Thanks in advance Hello Tom, Can you explain how or when you feel it is slow ? Which application runs slowly ? Are you comparing livedvds or install versions ? The "ordinary" fedora is it KDE based as well ? For the record, FEL is "pure ordinary" fedora + FEL apps. Kind regards, Chitlesh From shakthimaan at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 03:41:52 2009 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:11:52 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL becomes slow in old PCs In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0902260928w49b59581yaf0eeea805f6c62@mail.gmail.com> References: <5124c8500902252007o7a0194ct19a5dcbb3010ae7a@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0902260928w49b59581yaf0eeea805f6c62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: | Can you explain how or when you feel it is slow ? Which application | runs slowly ? \-- I installed Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL on an IBM T41, Intel M 1400 MHz, 512 MB RAM, and KDE was quite slow - GUI responses, opening up applications, switching between applications et. al. I disabled many services. LXDE was little better among the available desktop environments/managers. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From aanjhan at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 13:45:45 2009 From: aanjhan at gmail.com (Aanjhan R) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:15:45 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL 1-page handout for talks/FOSS conferences Message-ID: Hi folks, I managed to get my hands dirty with Scribus and come out with a draft copy of the brochure. Blog post: http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2009/02/28/fedora-electronic-lab-brochure-with-scribus/ Comments welcome! Regards, Aanjhan From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 28 22:13:32 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:13:32 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL becomes slow in old PCs In-Reply-To: <5124c8500902262038n2c8d61e4vc6086aba5d8e23e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5124c8500902252007o7a0194ct19a5dcbb3010ae7a@mail.gmail.com> <13dbfe4f0902260928w49b59581yaf0eeea805f6c62@mail.gmail.com> <5124c8500902262038n2c8d61e4vc6086aba5d8e23e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902281413s6e40db41y16f90168f13c3bbe@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > I installed Fedora-10-i686-Live-FEL on an IBM T41, Intel M 1400 MHz, > 512 MB RAM, and KDE was quite slow - GUI responses, opening up > applications, switching between applications et. al. > > I disabled many services. LXDE was little better among the available > desktop environments/managers. > > SK Ok, so if I get it right, KDE is slow, not FEL apps. I believe this is what you mean with GUI. FEL is based on Fedora, the OS. But still we/FEL should not forget that our goal is to provide EDA solutions and the OS side is maintained by our colleagues Fedora-KDE and Fedora-devel. It would be wise to precise here that FEL Livedvd does have numerous services disabled compared to the Fedora KDE spin. About LXDE/GNOME/KDE, please don't get me wrong. It is not related to FEL's goals. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Tom varghese wrote: > Dear Chitlesh, > ???????????????? I felt it is slow on start up. I am booting from DVD drive. > But it is too much slow than other linux distro live. I think the problem > arrives from KDE. Can I use GNOME instead of KDE. If yes, How? (I am a > beginner) You can only use gnome if you have fedora installed. You can't run gnome on the livedvd. yum grouplist you will find gnome desktop then yum group-install "gnome-desktop-as defined by grouplist" Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 28 23:05:25 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:05:25 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] FEL 1-page handout for talks/FOSS conferences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902281505v4429b28t6f58666c28f95cd4@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aanjhan R wrote: > Comments welcome! Hello Aanjhan I appreciate you took the time to create this brochure. However I have the followings comments: # Colour It is my responsibility to point out that colour choices should follow the fedora colours similar to the one other fedora sigs are using. This maintain conformity with other fedora subprojects. It is important that those reading the brochure DO NOT converge to "FEL is a Fedora fork". The colour choices on this brochure are not the best choice for printing, independent of laser or ink-jet type . Black background should be avoided if the brochure is meant for printing. # content It seems to me that the contents for design tools are not really for FEL 10, but FEL8/9. The contents do not convey the goals on FEL in terms of our focus on design flows and methodologies. As well our support to projects like gEDA and opencircuitdesing, toped, pharosc,.. FEL is not only about the tools but also the opensource EDA community. Fedora 11 will be at our door soon. It would be nice to work for F11 and write the EDA solutions provided for FEL11. I would replace gwave by LabPlot as gwave is too fragile and breaks easily. I've explained before in my blog how to migrate to LabPlot from gwave. # The targetted audience Can you explain to me your targetted audience please ? I tend to focus on the following audience : - students/researchers - lecturers - hardware designers (even Test engineers) - project coordinators - new opensource EDA developers - field application engineers (who have never heard of FEL) - ...(but not software geeks) For each of them we need to be able to give "EDA solutions" and make them aware through the flyer that they can have those solutions and what are the features being proposed. At the same time we should use their respective jargon. FEL is not about the linux operating system but about the opensource EDA solutions on linux. So eventually, the targetted users are not the same in either case. But it remains our reponsibility to know where we stand. An example would be looking at how TMSC expose briefly his services http://www.tsmc.com/english/c_services/c_services_index.htm. # typo red hat is not "responsible" for the content. # too much urls I think too much urls consume space and our targetted users are not that stupid find the download button. This is briefly my thoughts. You are free to update accordingly if you want. ---------- While writing this email, I remembered some compliments we got from fosdem: -MaxSpevak : FEL is a very good example of innovative side of Fedora. -JeroenMeuven : FEL is the successful fedora spin since the spin idea came up during F7. -GregDeKonigberg: FEL came up to the opensource environment with a clear mind about a problem to fix, what the opensource community is missing and no one has stepped in before. - Glexos : FEL's leadership in its field(electronics) is an example for other opensource sigs to follow. Well, though these are good compliments, nevertheless they also mean that we have set a quality barrier and that we only have to do better each time. Thank you all to make this happen :) Kind regards, Chitlesh From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Sat Feb 28 23:20:48 2009 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:20:48 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Your views on "trac on a Livecd " ? In-Reply-To: References: <50baabb30902210417x5f87451fi6928de04c41957fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0902281520y4e8fdeb1y3cd56f0fa50797ec@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > There is a video session and presentation on git tutorial by Bart > Trojanowski which is really good. You can ask him if it can be shipped > with the DVD? He gave me permission to re-use his presentation under > CC with attribution: > > http://excess.org/article/2008/07/ogre-git-tutorial/ Hello Shakthi, I think you got me wrong here. I was not really thinking about - how to use git/trac/svn as individual software but rather how a combination of all these 3 could be used by CAD engineers to automate their internal home based methodologies through a ticketing service. As you can see, it would rather be giving people the chance to enhance their existing design methodologies or platform for hardware development. Example: - A university can try (as in trial) this ticketing service + version control and decide to expand their course to a long distance teaching method. - 2/3 people scattered around the world but have the same idea, they will be introduced with FEL of such mechanism which allows them to collaborate irrespective of their timezone. To sum up, these are ways to improve hardware development with opensource tools. Kind regards, Chitlesh