From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 06:01:44 2007 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:01:44 -0400 Subject: Games livecd / dvd In-Reply-To: <16427.216.9.250.6.1175306969.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <460D6928.40403@hhs.nl> <40743.65.192.24.190.1175283913.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <460D7C8D.7050106@hhs.nl> <20070330223128.GA30627@osiris.silug.org> <1843.192.168.0.4.1175295803.squirrel@zanoni> <1175301696.6110.151.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070331014554.GA823@osiris.silug.org> <20070331015603.GA931@osiris.silug.org> <16427.216.9.250.6.1175306969.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <1175493704.31968.79.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 21:09 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > Agreed. I'd like to make something that would offer something to most age > groups, so whatever package has potato guy would be great, I think my > 2-year old daughter would love that. :). And I could still have my bzflag. > > Speaking of games to include, I'd try to include not-quite-games > > (especially ones that stress 3D hardware), like the space simulators > > (celestia and stellarium) and some of the edutainment stuff (tuxpaint, > > tuxtype2, etc.). I hoping to get Croquet debugged to the point of putting it into one rather large rpm. I finally found the error that prevented it from using openGL properly and now it looks 100% better than Second Life, plus you have the server as well as the client. I'm impressed as heck with it. Ric -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar http://www.wayward4now.net ================================================ From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Apr 2 06:01:29 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:01:29 +0300 Subject: Games livecd / dvd In-Reply-To: <1843.192.168.0.4.1175295803.squirrel@zanoni> References: <460D6928.40403@hhs.nl> <40743.65.192.24.190.1175283913.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <460D7C8D.7050106@hhs.nl> <20070330223128.GA30627@osiris.silug.org> <1843.192.168.0.4.1175295803.squirrel@zanoni> Message-ID: <46109C39.10103@nicubunu.ro> Jon Ciesla wrote: > On the 3D game front, I see two choices. > > 1. Eschew 3D games, so all the games included work as well as possible on > all available hardare, due to binary drivers, the pragmatic approach. > > 2. Go all-out and include the best of the 3D games. Then users can use > the LiveDVD as a sort of hardware Shibboleth. They can take the DVD to > the store, and try out the available hardware, and then buy what works > with OSS drivers. Speak against binary-only hardware with the pocketbook. > > I have a preference. What do you all think? A livecd/dvd has the option to install to hdd, so the user can install the proprietary video drivers later if he want this, so the "games" disc offer the benefits of a) pre-made selection of games b) offline install of huge game-data packages -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From limb at jcomserv.net Mon Apr 2 17:23:14 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:23:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Games livecd / dvd In-Reply-To: <460E46DF.10200@kanarip.com> References: <460D6928.40403@hhs.nl> <40743.65.192.24.190.1175283913.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <460D7C8D.7050106@hhs.nl> <20070330223128.GA30627@osiris.silug.org> <1843.192.168.0.4.1175295803.squirrel@zanoni> <1175301696.6110.151.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070331014554.GA823@osiris.silug.org> <20070331015603.GA931@osiris.silug.org> <22380.216.9.250.6.1175306974.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <460E46DF.10200@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <6090.65.192.24.190.1175534594.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> We have a wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of the discussion so far. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Christopher Stone wrote: >> "Utilities" such as dosbox should be included too. >> >> I was thinking it would be cool if we could somehow configure kde or >> gnome or whatever to be game oriented as well. For example, we could >> have a game oriented desktop wall paper (the tux frag comes to mind). >> And we could set up rss feeds and news tickers and stuff for game >> related web sites and so on. >> >> I'm not sure how feasable all that extra configuration would be though. >> > > If you can get me a package manifest in kickstart-style for all packages > you want to see included, and the default desktop background / gnome > theme, I'll try and implement it in this tool we're creating. > > At least you'll know what will be the size of such compose, and I have > another use case ;-) > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGDkbeKN6f2pNCvwgRAhehAJ0f5cm4HUtfz09laMzLNXfqgIx5oACfeadG > wArovqdPGfAAvfDQm9Hwl5o= > =1Eae > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Apr 2 20:36:01 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:36:01 +0200 Subject: Reviewers wanted Message-ID: <46116931.60904@hhs.nl> Hi all, I know I've already poked you all to review asc and vegastrike, and I'm very gratefull for the reviews there! But there are some other great games waiting for review too, which aren't packaged by me BTW. I wanted to review these myself, but I'm just too busy, so now I'm promoting here, please review :) Here's the list: vdrift ------ Cool, advanced and very complete 3d car racing game: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234490 boswars ------- Very cool command and conquer like game. I was never a big fan of CnC myself, but many people where, so I think this is a must have! Especially for the games dvd. Unfortunately the submitter doesn't have any decent webspace, so the review is a bit awkward in that there is no srpm, instead one needs to download the add-on files and the sources yourself. But definetely worth reviewing: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=224254 Notice that I've made a bit of a mess of the review by adding useless comments, the latest version of the files to review (except for the huge sources) are here: http://lemenkov.newmail.ru/other/boswars/ secondlife ---------- The Second Life client, now I don't play secondlife myself, but I think its really cool there is an oss linux client now, and this really should be included into Fedora asap: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=233946 Flightgear ---------- A review is already in progress, but still I wanted to point this out to those who wanted to help. I myself have spent an entire day to get the SimGear lib into shape and build, and I've lobbied Fabrice Bellet to become a Fedora contributer (he has its own repo with Fedora addons including flightgear), for more on Fabrice see: http://bellet.info/ http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/local/fedora/ So please give him a warm welcome, as Fedora contributer and FlightGear packager: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234826 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234831 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234835 Many Thanks & Regards, Hans From Lam at Lam.pl Tue Apr 3 05:48:25 2007 From: Lam at Lam.pl (Leszek Matok) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:48:25 +0200 Subject: Reviewers wanted In-Reply-To: <46116931.60904@hhs.nl> References: <46116931.60904@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <1175579305.4097.2.camel@pensja.lam.pl> Dnia 02-04-2007, pon o godzinie 22:36 +0200, Hans de Goede napisa?(a): > But there are some other great games waiting for review too Is there any chance that someone would set up a repo of the packages waiting for review? Testers shouldn't be forced to do anything more than simple apt-get install vdrift etc., to concentrate on testing, not setting up their test environment :) TIA, Lam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: To jest cz??? listu podpisana cyfrowo URL: From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Apr 3 06:07:08 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:07:08 +0200 Subject: Reviewers wanted In-Reply-To: <1175579305.4097.2.camel@pensja.lam.pl> References: <46116931.60904@hhs.nl> <1175579305.4097.2.camel@pensja.lam.pl> Message-ID: <4611EF0C.8060509@hhs.nl> Leszek Matok wrote: > Dnia 02-04-2007, pon o godzinie 22:36 +0200, Hans de Goede napisa?(a): >> But there are some other great games waiting for review too > Is there any chance that someone would set up a repo of the packages > waiting for review? Testers shouldn't be forced to do anything more than > simple apt-get install vdrift etc., to concentrate on testing, not > setting up their test environment :) TIA, > Interesting suggestion, I think something like that would best be handled Fedora wide, maybe you can suggest this on the fedora extras list? Regards, Hans From hvhtim at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 18:05:38 2007 From: hvhtim at gmail.com (tim oconnell) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:05:38 -0400 Subject: Games livecd / dvd In-Reply-To: <6090.65.192.24.190.1175534594.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <460D6928.40403@hhs.nl> <20070330223128.GA30627@osiris.silug.org> <1843.192.168.0.4.1175295803.squirrel@zanoni> <1175301696.6110.151.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070331014554.GA823@osiris.silug.org> <20070331015603.GA931@osiris.silug.org> <22380.216.9.250.6.1175306974.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <460E46DF.10200@kanarip.com> <6090.65.192.24.190.1175534594.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <2a5195af0704051105x8eb5725rd21a9031685dd9ac@mail.gmail.com> how about a strictly gaming release of fedora, sort of like a half-life mod, where the kernel is streamlined for graphics throughput and bundled with graphics card drivers (many which are only available after you try to play a game, quite annoying) and a myriad of popular games, all of which should fit on a DVD. remember, DVD's are frequently double-sided and dual layered, giving you at least twice the storage space. On 4/2/07, Jon Ciesla wrote: > > We have a wiki page. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLiveCD > Start populating that must-have list! :) I've seeded it with the fruits of > the discussion so far. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Christopher Stone wrote: > >> "Utilities" such as dosbox should be included too. > >> > >> I was thinking it would be cool if we could somehow configure kde or > >> gnome or whatever to be game oriented as well. For example, we could > >> have a game oriented desktop wall paper (the tux frag comes to mind). > >> And we could set up rss feeds and news tickers and stuff for game > >> related web sites and so on. > >> > >> I'm not sure how feasable all that extra configuration would be though. > >> > > > > If you can get me a package manifest in kickstart-style for all packages > > you want to see included, and the default desktop background / gnome > > theme, I'll try and implement it in this tool we're creating. > > > > At least you'll know what will be the size of such compose, and I have > > another use case ;-) > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFGDkbeKN6f2pNCvwgRAhehAJ0f5cm4HUtfz09laMzLNXfqgIx5oACfeadG > > wArovqdPGfAAvfDQm9Hwl5o= > > =1Eae > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-games-list mailing list > > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > > > > > -- > novus ordo absurdum > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > -- brach!!!???!!!!!!!!!!!! tim the white 'fro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Apr 6 06:23:28 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:23:28 +0300 Subject: Games livecd / dvd In-Reply-To: <2a5195af0704051105x8eb5725rd21a9031685dd9ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <460D6928.40403@hhs.nl> <20070330223128.GA30627@osiris.silug.org> <1843.192.168.0.4.1175295803.squirrel@zanoni> <1175301696.6110.151.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070331014554.GA823@osiris.silug.org> <20070331015603.GA931@osiris.silug.org> <22380.216.9.250.6.1175306974.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <460E46DF.10200@kanarip.com> <6090.65.192.24.190.1175534594.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2a5195af0704051105x8eb5725rd21a9031685dd9ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4615E760.4000805@nicubunu.ro> tim oconnell wrote: > how about a strictly gaming release of fedora, sort of like a half-life > mod, where the kernel is streamlined for graphics throughput and I believe all Fedora releases should have a few things in common, one of them being the kernel. > bundled with graphics card drivers (many which are only available after > you try to play a game, quite annoying) and a myriad of popular games, Graphic drivers, like proprietary nvidia and ati? Those can't be bundled due to their license and also they are outside of Fedora's philosophy - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#head-480f1c231662c4279ebc75f7298db407ee0a5593 > all of which should fit on a DVD. remember, DVD's are frequently > double-sided and dual layered, giving you at least twice the storage space. Consider the space needed on the mirrors to carry all those customized Fedora versions, is highly probable such an image would be ignored by mirrors and have to be distributed only by BitTorrent. Also remember those dual layer media are much expensive compared with standard blank DVD and not all writers can use them. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From limb at jcomserv.net Thu Apr 26 14:42:04 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:42:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI Message-ID: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> I've got FreeSCI basically ready to submit for review, and I started to look for redistributable content, since it was originally designed to play proprietary games, a la scummvm/sarien. The trouble is, most of the games I've found have no licensing info of any kind. -- novus ordo absurdum From limb at jcomserv.net Thu Apr 26 14:47:59 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:47:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Add to that an itchy Send finger. . . And my question is, do we have to package and distribute content for any engines we ship, like with scummvm and beneath a steel sky, etc? > I've got FreeSCI basically ready to submit for review, and I started to > look for redistributable content, since it was originally designed to play > proprietary games, a la scummvm/sarien. The trouble is, most of the games > I've found have no licensing info of any kind. > > > -- > novus ordo absurdum > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Thu Apr 26 14:55:03 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:55:03 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > Add to that an itchy Send finger. . . > > And my question is, do we have to package and distribute content for any > engines we ship, like with scummvm and beneath a steel sky, etc? > Yes we do, thats why scummvm used to be in livna until beneath a steel sky was packaged. The problem with things like FreeSCI is that it could be seen as a method / device to circumvent copy protections etc. So the (unwritten *) rule has been drafted that packages like this need to be distributed with content. Another way of looking at it, is that we don't want to disribute useless software, whereby the definition of useless is not usefull without non free content. Regards, Hans From tibbs at math.uh.edu Thu Apr 26 15:17:38 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 26 Apr 2007 10:17:38 -0500 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> Message-ID: >>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Goede writes: HdG> Another way of looking at it, is that we don't want to disribute HdG> useless software, whereby the definition of useless is not HdG> usefull without non free content. There is a program (for Windows, at least) to generate SCI games and there are fan-made games which should be "free" in some sense. For example, see http://agisci.classicgaming.gamespy.com/scifangm.shtml The problem is that these things generally have no license text. (I can't actually get the games, since I've only seen them at fileplanet and I'm not going to submit myself to spam just to grab a few tiny zipfiles.) It should be possible to contact a few authors, however, and clarify the licenses. My understanding is that all we really need is redistribution rights. - J< From limb at jcomserv.net Fri Apr 27 11:22:48 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:22:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> That's what I thought, and I totally agree that that policy makes sense, I just wanted to verify. If I can find one or a few games with applicable licensing, I'll submit review request. Thanks. >>>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Goede writes: > > HdG> Another way of looking at it, is that we don't want to disribute > HdG> useless software, whereby the definition of useless is not > HdG> usefull without non free content. > > There is a program (for Windows, at least) to generate SCI games and > there are fan-made games which should be "free" in some sense. For > example, see http://agisci.classicgaming.gamespy.com/scifangm.shtml > > The problem is that these things generally have no license text. (I > can't actually get the games, since I've only seen them at fileplanet > and I'm not going to submit myself to spam just to grab a few tiny > zipfiles.) It should be possible to contact a few authors, however, > and clarify the licenses. My understanding is that all we really need > is redistribution rights. > > - J< > -- novus ordo absurdum From musuruan at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 11:39:15 2007 From: musuruan at gmail.com (Andrea Musuruane) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:39:15 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> 2007/4/27, Jon Ciesla : > That's what I thought, and I totally agree that that policy makes sense, I > just wanted to verify. If I can find one or a few games with applicable > licensing, I'll submit review request. Thanks. Jon, in the meantime (or if you'll be unable to find games with a suitable license) please consider submitting your review to Dribble repository. Bye, Andrea. From limb at jcomserv.net Fri Apr 27 12:44:11 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:44:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> I may do that. I've found another location with several games, all free, at least as in beer, but with no licensing. http://scicommunity.com One of the games makes reference to the program used for development (SCI Studio, Windows only) being open source. A visit to the site indicated that the program is Public Domain and the game LockerGnome Quest is "Freeware". the game also comes with the source SCI files. If I can get some sort of license text added to the package, would this qualify? If not, I can certainly submit FreeSCI to Dribble. > 2007/4/27, Jon Ciesla : >> That's what I thought, and I totally agree that that policy makes sense, >> I >> just wanted to verify. If I can find one or a few games with applicable >> licensing, I'll submit review request. Thanks. > > Jon, in the meantime (or if you'll be unable to find games with a > suitable license) please consider submitting your review to Dribble > repository. > > Bye, > > Andrea. > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Fri Apr 27 13:08:59 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:08:59 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > I may do that. I've found another location with several games, all free, > at least as in beer, but with no licensing. http://scicommunity.com One > of the games makes reference to the program used for development (SCI > Studio, Windows only) being open source. A visit to the site indicated > that the program is Public Domain and the game LockerGnome Quest is > "Freeware". the game also comes with the source SCI files. > > If I can get some sort of license text added to the package, would this > qualify? > Depends, is it a reasonable complete game, or just a demo? I think we need some reasonable complete fully playable games which are freely redistributable for freesci to be ok for Fedora. You could try to: 1) play some of these free(beer) games 2) if they are ok, try to contact the author and get redistribution permisson I know this may sound like a PITA, but I've managed to get free licenses for many games by just asking upstream politely, short list: tremulous - data redistribution allowed, engine already was GPl worminator - full GPL release after request) seahorse-adventures - full GPL release after request crystal-stacker + themes - BSD-ish code + data release after request alphabet-soup - BSD-ish code + data release after request And there are probably others I forgot about. This isn't meant as bragging, but to prove that it can be done. If you think a game is worth the trouble (and most reasonable games are worth the trouble of atleast googling for the author and sending a mail), then chances are reasonable that you can get it released under a free license. In my experience this holds true for stuff which is already free as in beer. I've also tried with some (dead) privately owned shareware projects, but with no success. Regards, Hans From tibbs at math.uh.edu Fri Apr 27 18:41:50 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 27 Apr 2007 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> Message-ID: >>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Goede writes: HdG> Depends, is it a reasonable complete game, or just a demo? There are actual complete games available. And yes, the SCI game generator is indeed public domain except for a single component (the syntax highlighter) which has a different license, but it's for Windows. I suppose it's an interesting project for someone, but probably not of interest here. - J< From philip.moller at euromail.se Fri Apr 27 18:57:20 2007 From: philip.moller at euromail.se (=?UTF-8?B?UGhpbGlwIE3DtmxsZXI=?=) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:57:20 +0200 Subject: nexuiz Message-ID: <46324790.6040707@euromail.se> Hi! There is a first shooter game for fedora/linux named nexuiz. It's ok, but a little boring and lame to play. Can't that be a game to evolve ? I'm not a developer in any kind, but likes to play games on linux/fedora. From limb at jcomserv.net Fri Apr 27 18:58:08 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> I just have to get to contacting them. In the mean time I'm working on Qt AGI Studio. Speaking of AGI, Sarien's website says they merged with ScummVM. I don't see this mentioned anywhere on ScummVM's site, and the current version seems not to run AGI games. Hans, any knowledge? >>>>>> "HdG" == Hans de Goede writes: > > HdG> Depends, is it a reasonable complete game, or just a demo? > > There are actual complete games available. > > And yes, the SCI game generator is indeed public domain except for a > single component (the syntax highlighter) which has a different > license, but it's for Windows. I suppose it's an interesting project > for someone, but probably not of interest here. > > - J< > -- novus ordo absurdum From limb at jcomserv.net Fri Apr 27 19:00:14 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: nexuiz In-Reply-To: <46324790.6040707@euromail.se> References: <46324790.6040707@euromail.se> Message-ID: <64764.65.192.24.190.1177700414.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Nexuiz is in Fedora as we speak. yum install nexuiz and enjoy. :) Or are you proposing improvements to Nexuiz? If so, I recommend you contribute to the project upstream. http://www.nexuiz.com/ I've not played it myself (insufficient hardware) but I've heard good things. > Hi! > There is a first shooter game for fedora/linux named nexuiz. > It's ok, but a little boring and lame to play. > Can't that be a game to evolve ? > I'm not a developer in any kind, but likes to play games on linux/fedora. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > -- novus ordo absurdum From tibbs at math.uh.edu Fri Apr 27 19:34:21 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 27 Apr 2007 14:34:21 -0500 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "JC" == Jon Ciesla writes: JC> Speaking of AGI, Sarien's website says they merged with ScummVM. Yes, that happened almost a year ago. JC> I don't see this mentioned anywhere on ScummVM's site, and the JC> current version seems not to run AGI games. http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Engines http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/AGI - J< From limb at jcomserv.net Fri Apr 27 19:45:45 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:45:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Ah, I see. Any reason I shouldn't submit Sarien for review and maintain it until the SVN version of ScummVM becomes the stable release and deprecates it? AGIStudio prefers it or NAGI for testing, though it's not a true dependency. >>>>>> "JC" == Jon Ciesla writes: > > JC> Speaking of AGI, Sarien's website says they merged with ScummVM. > > Yes, that happened almost a year ago. > > JC> I don't see this mentioned anywhere on ScummVM's site, and the > JC> current version seems not to run AGI games. > > http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Engines > http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/AGI > > - J< > -- novus ordo absurdum From tibbs at math.uh.edu Sat Apr 28 00:42:59 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 27 Apr 2007 19:42:59 -0500 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "JC" == Jon Ciesla writes: JC> Any reason I shouldn't submit Sarien for review and maintain it JC> until the SVN version of ScummVM becomes the stable release and JC> deprecates it? In general I've never thought it to be worthwhile to submit software known to be obsolete, only to have to remove it later and worry about configuration compatibility and such. But in the end I guess it depends on how close ScummVM is to a release and whether it would be reasonable to package their development version. That's something that the ScummVM maintainers should discuss with the developers. - J< From limb at jcomserv.net Sat Apr 28 01:25:23 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:25:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Since I've already got it to a working state, I may as well submit it for review. If it gets reviewed and added before the requisite ScummVM release, that's gravy. If not, it was still worth it to me to package it for my own use. >>>>>> "JC" == Jon Ciesla writes: > > JC> Any reason I shouldn't submit Sarien for review and maintain it > JC> until the SVN version of ScummVM becomes the stable release and > JC> deprecates it? > > In general I've never thought it to be worthwhile to submit software > known to be obsolete, only to have to remove it later and worry about > configuration compatibility and such. But in the end I guess it > depends on how close ScummVM is to a release and whether it would be > reasonable to package their development version. That's something > that the ScummVM maintainers should discuss with the developers. > > - J< > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Sat Apr 28 06:27:17 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:27:17 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > Since I've already got it to a working state, I may as well submit it for > review. If it gets reviewed and added before the requisite ScummVM > release, that's gravy. If not, it was still worth it to me to package it > for my own use. > Wouldn't it be better to package nagi, as that is more complete and prefered by qt-agibuilder if I understand things correctly, then you also have a good reason to ship it with Fedora, since it (nagi) then is a development tool. Regards, Hans From limb at jcomserv.net Mon Apr 30 13:29:20 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:29:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> I'd love to, but I can't get NAGI to build. I tried AGIL as well, which I can get to build, but runs in a tiny window, whether windowed or fullscreen. Any experience? > Jon Ciesla wrote: >> Since I've already got it to a working state, I may as well submit it >> for >> review. If it gets reviewed and added before the requisite ScummVM >> release, that's gravy. If not, it was still worth it to me to package >> it >> for my own use. >> > > Wouldn't it be better to package nagi, as that is more complete and > prefered by > qt-agibuilder if I understand things correctly, then you also have a good > reason to ship it with Fedora, since it (nagi) then is a development tool. > > Regards, > > Hans > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Apr 30 14:17:05 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:17:05 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > I'd love to, but I can't get NAGI to build. I tried AGIL as well, which I > can get to build, but runs in a tiny window, whether windowed or > fullscreen. > > Any experience? > With NAGI, no. But I've got plenty of experience with getting stuff to build which doesn't want to. If you can send me what you have sofar, then i can take a shot if you want. Regards, Hans From limb at jcomserv.net Mon Apr 30 14:03:18 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:03:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Sure. I downloaded the source: http://www.agidev.com/dl_files/nagi/nagi_src_-_2002-11-14.tar.gz Untarred into a new folder foo. In foo/src I rtan make -f Makefile.linux as indicated by the docs included, and the website. I get: gcc -O2 -fwritable-strings -Wall -Winline -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -DRAD_LINUX -DRAD_WARN -c base.c -o base.o cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fwritable-strings" make: *** [base.o] Error 1 If I comment out this or other flags, I get other warnings. I am running patched FC6 with SDL-devel installed. I'll RPM this once I can get it built from source. > Jon Ciesla wrote: >> I'd love to, but I can't get NAGI to build. I tried AGIL as well, which >> I >> can get to build, but runs in a tiny window, whether windowed or >> fullscreen. >> >> Any experience? >> > > With NAGI, no. But I've got plenty of experience with getting stuff to > build > which doesn't want to. If you can send me what you have sofar, then i can > take > a shot if you want. > > Regards, > > Hans > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Apr 30 14:29:30 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:29:30 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <4635FD4A.1010400@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > Sure. I downloaded the source: > > http://www.agidev.com/dl_files/nagi/nagi_src_-_2002-11-14.tar.gz > > Untarred into a new folder foo. In foo/src I rtan make -f Makefile.linux > as indicated by the docs included, and the website. > > I get: > > gcc -O2 -fwritable-strings -Wall -Winline -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes > -DRAD_LINUX -DRAD_WARN -c base.c -o base.o > cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fwritable-strings" > make: *** [base.o] Error 1 > It wants to have writable strings ?? How horribly 1980's, and too bad gcc no longer accepts that, that means that we need to find and fix all cases where string writing happens :( I'll take a peek to see how much work this is going to be. Regards, Hans From limb at jcomserv.net Mon Apr 30 14:19:55 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <4635FD4A.1010400@hhs.nl> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FD4A.1010400@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <16413.65.192.24.190.1177942795.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> My first clue that this might be non-trivial was the date in the filename. And Sarien works. :) > Jon Ciesla wrote: >> Sure. I downloaded the source: >> >> http://www.agidev.com/dl_files/nagi/nagi_src_-_2002-11-14.tar.gz >> >> Untarred into a new folder foo. In foo/src I rtan make -f >> Makefile.linux >> as indicated by the docs included, and the website. >> >> I get: >> >> gcc -O2 -fwritable-strings -Wall -Winline -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes >> -DRAD_LINUX -DRAD_WARN -c base.c -o base.o >> cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fwritable-strings" >> make: *** [base.o] Error 1 >> > > It wants to have writable strings ?? How horribly 1980's, and too bad gcc > no > longer accepts that, that means that we need to find and fix all cases > where > string writing happens :( > > I'll take a peek to see how much work this is going to be. > > Regards, > > Hans > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Apr 30 14:44:28 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:44:28 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <463600CC.5050700@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > Sure. I downloaded the source: > > http://www.agidev.com/dl_files/nagi/nagi_src_-_2002-11-14.tar.gz > > Untarred into a new folder foo. In foo/src I rtan make -f Makefile.linux > as indicated by the docs included, and the website. > > I get: > > gcc -O2 -fwritable-strings -Wall -Winline -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes > -DRAD_LINUX -DRAD_WARN -c base.c -o base.o > cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fwritable-strings" > make: *** [base.o] Error 1 > > If I comment out this or other flags, I get other warnings. I am running > patched FC6 with SDL-devel installed. > > I'll RPM this once I can get it built from source. > Luckily 100+ packages experience does marvels and has thought me to first go look for packages by other distros in cases like this, attached are 3 patches courtesy of debian. the 00_debian_custom.diff patch should be applied with -p1 (while standing in the dir which contains the src dir) the other 2 with -p0. The custom patch unixifies nagies, iow makes it look for its data files under /usr/share and for its ini file under /etc. Once the debian patches have been applied, debian simply builds it by doing: cd src; $(MAKE) -f Makefile.linux docbook-to-man debian/nagi.sgml > debian/nagi.1 I thought especially the docbook-to-man command would be good to know for you. I've verified that nagi builds with the 3 patches, but I haven't actually run it :) Regards, Hans -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 00_debian_custom.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 1539 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 10_build_with_gcc-3.4.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 3018 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 10_build_with_gcc-4.0.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 2323 bytes Desc: not available URL: From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Apr 30 14:48:49 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:48:49 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <16413.65.192.24.190.1177942795.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FD4A.1010400@hhs.nl> <16413.65.192.24.190.1177942795.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <463601D1.8050604@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > My first clue that this might be non-trivial was the date in the filename. > It may not be trivial, but is already solved elsewhere, so need for us to break our pretty heads over it :) (see my other mail). > And Sarien works. :) > True, but if nagi is prefered by AGI-builder, then that might be good to have, or good to have too, iow it might be good to have both. Also interesting in this light is the work I've just finished for xu4, (ultima4 remake). A couple of my students have written a program which can be used to prompt the user to download datafiles, in case the data files cannot be freely redistributed, but are freely (and legally) available for download. I've packaged xu4 using this, as I couldn't get a redistribution permission for the freely availavle data files. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238366 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238367 Regards, Hans From limb at jcomserv.net Mon Apr 30 14:51:48 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <463600CC.5050700@hhs.nl> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <463600CC.5050700@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <23989.65.192.24.190.1177944708.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> It builds with these patches, but when I run it from a directory containing a known working AGI template game: [limb at fawkes agigame]$ ~/fedora/nagi/bin/nagi New Adventure Game Interpreter (NAGI) v2.07 beta Copyright (C) 2000-2002 Nick Sonneveld & Gareth McMullin Author: Nick Sonneveld (sonneveld at hotmail.com) Linux port by RaDIaT1oN (g_mcm at mweb.co.za) Based upon the Adventure Game Interpreter (AGI) v2.917 and v3.002.149 Copyright (C) 1984-1988 Sierra On-Line, Inc. Authors: Jeff Stephenson & Chris Iden Initialising Simple DirectMedia Layer (SDL)...done. Initialising SDL video subsystem... done. font_init(): Unable to find appropriate font for current resolution. Segmentation fault > Jon Ciesla wrote: >> Sure. I downloaded the source: >> >> http://www.agidev.com/dl_files/nagi/nagi_src_-_2002-11-14.tar.gz >> >> Untarred into a new folder foo. In foo/src I rtan make -f >> Makefile.linux >> as indicated by the docs included, and the website. >> >> I get: >> >> gcc -O2 -fwritable-strings -Wall -Winline -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes >> -DRAD_LINUX -DRAD_WARN -c base.c -o base.o >> cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fwritable-strings" >> make: *** [base.o] Error 1 >> >> If I comment out this or other flags, I get other warnings. I am running >> patched FC6 with SDL-devel installed. >> >> I'll RPM this once I can get it built from source. >> > > Luckily 100+ packages experience does marvels and has thought me to first > go > look for packages by other distros in cases like this, attached are 3 > patches > courtesy of debian. > > the 00_debian_custom.diff patch should be applied with -p1 (while standing > in > the dir which contains the src dir) the other 2 with -p0. The custom patch > unixifies nagies, iow makes it look for its data files under /usr/share > and for > its ini file under /etc. > > Once the debian patches have been applied, debian simply builds it by > doing: > cd src; $(MAKE) -f Makefile.linux > docbook-to-man debian/nagi.sgml > debian/nagi.1 > > I thought especially the docbook-to-man command would be good to know for > you. > > I've verified that nagi builds with the 3 patches, but I haven't actually > run it :) > > Regards, > > Hans > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Apr 30 15:39:56 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:39:56 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <23989.65.192.24.190.1177944708.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <463600CC.5050700@hhs.nl> <23989.65.192.24.190.1177944708.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <46360DCC.1040604@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > It builds with these patches, but when I run it from a directory > containing a known working AGI template game: > Can you give me any URL's to free AGI games? Then I can take a closer look. Regards, Hans From limb at jcomserv.net Mon Apr 30 15:22:33 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <46360DCC.1040604@hhs.nl> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <463600CC.5050700@hhs.nl> <23989.65.192.24.190.1177944708.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <46360DCC.1040604@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <28344.65.192.24.190.1177946553.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> This one's free as in beer: http://www.agidev.com/dl_files/games/sq0-rep.zip > Jon Ciesla wrote: >> It builds with these patches, but when I run it from a directory >> containing a known working AGI template game: >> > > Can you give me any URL's to free AGI games? Then I can take a closer > look. > > > Regards, > > Hans > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Apr 30 20:47:39 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:47:39 +0200 Subject: FreeSCI In-Reply-To: <23989.65.192.24.190.1177944708.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> References: <19544.65.192.24.190.1177598524.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <19925.65.192.24.190.1177598879.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4630BD47.20704@hhs.nl> <29386.65.192.24.190.1177672968.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <29fee02b0704270439y6516adefgd54eb1d25c6bdb9c@mail.gmail.com> <34833.65.192.24.190.1177677851.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4631F5EB.1090303@hhs.nl> <64659.65.192.24.190.1177700288.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <2845.65.192.24.190.1177703145.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <21729.216.9.250.6.1177723523.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4632E945.9050506@hhs.nl> <10967.65.192.24.190.1177939760.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <4635FA61.4000501@hhs.nl> <14250.65.192.24.190.1177941798.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> <463600CC.5050700@hhs.nl> <23989.65.192.24.190.1177944708.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> Message-ID: <463655EB.3070801@hhs.nl> Jon Ciesla wrote: > It builds with these patches, but when I run it from a directory > containing a known working AGI template game: > > [limb at fawkes agigame]$ ~/fedora/nagi/bin/nagi > New Adventure Game Interpreter (NAGI) v2.07 beta > Copyright (C) 2000-2002 Nick Sonneveld & Gareth McMullin > Author: Nick Sonneveld (sonneveld at hotmail.com) > Linux port by RaDIaT1oN (g_mcm at mweb.co.za) > > Based upon the Adventure Game Interpreter (AGI) v2.917 and v3.002.149 > Copyright (C) 1984-1988 Sierra On-Line, Inc. > Authors: Jeff Stephenson & Chris Iden > > Initialising Simple DirectMedia Layer (SDL)...done. > Initialising SDL video subsystem... done. > font_init(): Unable to find appropriate font for current resolution. > Segmentation fault > Found it, that is because the 00_xxx debian patch makes it look for font files under /usr/share/nagi. So the trick is to copy the font files in the bin dir of the nagi source tarbal to /usr/share/nagi. Also you should install the ini files in the bin dir under /etc/nagi. For me it works well then, atleast with the link you send. In my previous mail I was talking about using sgml2man to generate a manpage, then I thought the docbook file was part of the nagi sources, but its a debian add on I've attached it for your convenience. Regards, Hans -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nagi.sgml Type: text/sgml Size: 3001 bytes Desc: not available URL: