From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 05:56:12 2007 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:56:12 -0400 Subject: Glaxium Message-ID: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> You might want to check this one out... the graphics look GREAT on the website, but it needs something to make properly. I'm no coder! :) http://xhosxe.free.fr/glaxium/ The Author says he's abandoning, right there on his website it so I guess that means it's free to update and package in an rpm?? Space game shooters usually look kinda mundane... this one would be a great one to salvage. Ric -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar http://www.wayward4now.net <---down4now too ================================================ From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 06:31:12 2007 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:31:12 -0400 Subject: games spin In-Reply-To: <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> References: <46F99F69.4040507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9FDE5.9020404@hhs.nl> <46FBAC1E.1050904@hhs.nl> <46FBB352.8070200@fedoraproject.org> <46FBB2A2.4040402@hhs.nl> <46FBB719.8090301@fedoraproject.org> <46FD43B9.3080806@hhs.nl> <470004B1.4060700@kobold.org> <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> Message-ID: <1191220273.16418.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 22:44 +0200, Leszek Matok wrote: > Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart napisa?(a): > > > +1 for including autodownloader games. > Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to my HDD. +1 for that, Ric -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar http://www.wayward4now.net <---down4now too ================================================ From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Oct 1 06:51:56 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:51:56 +0200 Subject: games spin In-Reply-To: <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> References: <46F99F69.4040507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9FDE5.9020404@hhs.nl> <46FBAC1E.1050904@hhs.nl> <46FBB352.8070200@fedoraproject.org> <46FBB2A2.4040402@hhs.nl> <46FBB719.8090301@fedoraproject.org> <46FD43B9.3080806@hhs.nl> <470004B1.4060700@kobold.org> <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> Message-ID: <4700990C.6090700@hhs.nl> Leszek Matok wrote: > Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart napisa?(a): > >> +1 for including autodownloader games. > Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to my HDD. > Hmm, I'm afraid that cannot be done easily. So which way will it be then, with or without autodownloader games? Regards, Hans From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Oct 1 07:02:10 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:02:10 +0200 Subject: Glaxium In-Reply-To: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47009B72.10505@hhs.nl> Ric Moore wrote: > You might want to check this one out... the graphics look GREAT on the > website, but it needs something to make properly. I'm no coder! :) > http://xhosxe.free.fr/glaxium/ > The Author says he's abandoning, right there on his website it so I > guess that means it's free to update and package in an rpm?? Space game > shooters usually look kinda mundane... this one would be a great one to > salvage. Ric > Its GPL, so its packagable, I've put it on the wishlist on the wiki. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 1 08:04:12 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:34:12 +0530 Subject: games spin In-Reply-To: <4700990C.6090700@hhs.nl> References: <46F99F69.4040507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9FDE5.9020404@hhs.nl> <46FBAC1E.1050904@hhs.nl> <46FBB352.8070200@fedoraproject.org> <46FBB2A2.4040402@hhs.nl> <46FBB719.8090301@fedoraproject.org> <46FD43B9.3080806@hhs.nl> <470004B1.4060700@kobold.org> <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> <4700990C.6090700@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <4700A9FC.8050302@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > Leszek Matok wrote: >> Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart napisa?(a): >> >>> +1 for including autodownloader games. >> Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to >> my HDD. >> > > Hmm, > > I'm afraid that cannot be done easily. So which way will it be then, > with or without autodownloader games? I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to differentiate between programs that use autodownloader and ones that don't. After it has downloaded the content thought the differentiation wouldn't be required. If that can be done relatively easily somehow, that would be ideal. Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Oct 1 08:23:05 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:23:05 +0200 Subject: games spin In-Reply-To: <4700A9FC.8050302@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F99F69.4040507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9FDE5.9020404@hhs.nl> <46FBAC1E.1050904@hhs.nl> <46FBB352.8070200@fedoraproject.org> <46FBB2A2.4040402@hhs.nl> <46FBB719.8090301@fedoraproject.org> <46FD43B9.3080806@hhs.nl> <470004B1.4060700@kobold.org> <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> <4700990C.6090700@hhs.nl> <4700A9FC.8050302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4700AE69.5000701@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: >> Leszek Matok wrote: >>> Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart napisa?(a): >>> >>>> +1 for including autodownloader games. >>> Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to >>> my HDD. >>> >> >> Hmm, >> >> I'm afraid that cannot be done easily. So which way will it be then, >> with or without autodownloader games? > > I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to differentiate > between programs that use autodownloader and ones that don't. After it > has downloaded the content thought the differentiation wouldn't be > required. > > If that can be done relatively easily somehow, that would be ideal. > There already is a way to differentiate, look at the tooltips one gets in the applications menu, atleast for all my autodl games there is a clear hint there files will be downloaded. FE: "Doom shareware launcher, will automatically download the needed datafiles" is the tooltip for the doom launcher included in vavoom. Regards, Hans From japfelbeck at rogers.com Mon Oct 1 17:01:45 2007 From: japfelbeck at rogers.com (Jason Apfelbeck) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:01:45 -0400 Subject: Glaxium In-Reply-To: <47009B72.10505@hhs.nl> References: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47009B72.10505@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <1191258105.3373.3.camel@nebuchadnezzar.darkaudio.net> Here is another game for the wish list as well. Dark Oberon http://dark-oberon.sourceforge.net/ I checked and it is licensed under GPL as well. Jason On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 09:02 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > You might want to check this one out... the graphics look GREAT on the > > website, but it needs something to make properly. I'm no coder! :) > > http://xhosxe.free.fr/glaxium/ > > The Author says he's abandoning, right there on his website it so I > > guess that means it's free to update and package in an rpm?? Space game > > shooters usually look kinda mundane... this one would be a great one to > > salvage. Ric > > > > Its GPL, so its packagable, I've put it on the wishlist on the wiki. > > Regards, > > Hans > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tibbs at math.uh.edu Mon Oct 1 17:04:59 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 01 Oct 2007 12:04:59 -0500 Subject: games spin In-Reply-To: <4700A9FC.8050302@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F99F69.4040507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9FDE5.9020404@hhs.nl> <46FBAC1E.1050904@hhs.nl> <46FBB352.8070200@fedoraproject.org> <46FBB2A2.4040402@hhs.nl> <46FBB719.8090301@fedoraproject.org> <46FD43B9.3080806@hhs.nl> <470004B1.4060700@kobold.org> <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> <4700990C.6090700@hhs.nl> <4700A9FC.8050302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "RS" == Rahul Sundaram writes: RS> I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to RS> differentiate between programs that use autodownloader and ones RS> that don't. repoquery --whatrequires autodownloader ? - J< From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Oct 1 17:04:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:34:39 +0530 Subject: games spin In-Reply-To: References: <46F99F69.4040507@fedoraproject.org> <46F9FDE5.9020404@hhs.nl> <46FBAC1E.1050904@hhs.nl> <46FBB352.8070200@fedoraproject.org> <46FBB2A2.4040402@hhs.nl> <46FBB719.8090301@fedoraproject.org> <46FD43B9.3080806@hhs.nl> <470004B1.4060700@kobold.org> <20070930224432.70c9da95@pensja.lam.pl> <4700990C.6090700@hhs.nl> <4700A9FC.8050302@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <470128A7.4010305@fedoraproject.org> Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>>>>> "RS" == Rahul Sundaram writes: > > RS> I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to > RS> differentiate between programs that use autodownloader and ones > RS> that don't. > > repoquery --whatrequires autodownloader ? That's good enough for developers. I was talking more about user visibility. The hint on the menus should satisfy that requirement and we could add a note to the release notes too. Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Mon Oct 1 19:16:44 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:16:44 +0200 Subject: Glaxium In-Reply-To: <1191258105.3373.3.camel@nebuchadnezzar.darkaudio.net> References: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47009B72.10505@hhs.nl> <1191258105.3373.3.camel@nebuchadnezzar.darkaudio.net> Message-ID: <4701479C.6010807@hhs.nl> Jason Apfelbeck wrote: > Here is another game for the wish list as well. > > Dark Oberon > http://dark-oberon.sourceforge.net/ > > I checked and it is licensed under GPL as well. > Undortunately it requires fmod and does not run on 64 bit machines, both are fixable, but will require some serious work. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 2 20:49:26 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:19:26 +0530 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes Message-ID: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> Hi I have been working on getting the games spin through release engineering and Fedora Board for approval. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-September/msg00082.html The new process to follow is described in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/CustomSpins I have changed the configuration file to inherit the base desktop configuration as Jeremy Katz (CC'ed) has suggested to do that before getting board approval on this spin. I configuration the repo to point to a local copy of rawhide instead of a mirror list and get this http://pastebin.ca/723478 Pointing to the mirror list does not result in this problem. I would appreciate if anyone could test and let me know if this configuration works for you. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLive Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Oct 2 20:59:25 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:59:25 +0200 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I have been working on getting the games spin through release > engineering and Fedora Board for approval. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-September/msg00082.html > > > The new process to follow is described in > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/CustomSpins > > I have changed the configuration file to inherit the base desktop > configuration as Jeremy Katz (CC'ed) has suggested to do that before > getting board approval on this spin. > Good! > I configuration the repo to point to a local copy of rawhide instead of > a mirror list and get this > > http://pastebin.ca/723478 > > Pointing to the mirror list does not result in this problem. I would > appreciate if anyone could test and let me know if this configuration > works for you. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLive > Hmm, when first building a test DVD based on the .ks file in the wiki I got a python backtrace too, updating everything to the latest rawhide versions (I was already on rawhide) solved this. Alternatively, did you consider that this might be cause by a partial synced mirror, thus one where the meta data and the actual packages are out of sync? Maybe a simple retry will make the problem go away? Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 2 21:03:01 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:33:01 +0530 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > > Hmm, when first building a test DVD based on the .ks file in the wiki I > got a python backtrace too, updating everything to the latest rawhide > versions (I was already on rawhide) solved this. Alternatively, did you > consider that this might be cause by a partial synced mirror, thus one > where the meta data and the actual packages are out of sync? Maybe a > simple retry will make the problem go away? I have tried again a few times without success but the local rawhide copy is a few days old which could be be a reason. I only have more bandwidth at office and today is a holiday locally. If this just disappears with the latest rawhide, I don't have to worry about this. Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Oct 2 21:07:56 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:07:56 +0200 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4702B32C.6080309@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: > >> >> Hmm, when first building a test DVD based on the .ks file in the wiki >> I got a python backtrace too, updating everything to the latest >> rawhide versions (I was already on rawhide) solved this. >> Alternatively, did you consider that this might be cause by a partial >> synced mirror, thus one where the meta data and the actual packages >> are out of sync? Maybe a simple retry will make the problem go away? > > I have tried again a few times without success but the local rawhide > copy is a few days old which could be be a reason. I only have more > bandwidth at office and today is a holiday locally. If this just > disappears with the latest rawhide, I don't have to worry about this. > I'm not saying it will disappear, it might. Notice that I'm not talking about using rawhide as a source to compose from, but also as a platform on which the compising is happening. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 2 21:23:27 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:53:27 +0530 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4702B32C.6080309@hhs.nl> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> <4702B32C.6080309@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <4702B6CF.1020207@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > > I'm not saying it will disappear, it might. Notice that I'm not talking > about using rawhide as a source to compose from, but also as a platform > on which the compising is happening. Right. I am trying to build using a rawhide box with all the latest updates but the mirror I am using is about three days old. Let me know if the configuration listed in the wiki works for you. Rahul From katzj at redhat.com Tue Oct 2 21:38:51 2007 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:38:51 -0400 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1191361131.25097.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 02:19 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I have changed the configuration file to inherit the base desktop > configuration as Jeremy Katz (CC'ed) has suggested to do that before > getting board approval on this spin. So, some suggestions after looking at what you've got now * Using base-desktop vs desktop -- while base-desktop is good for KDE or XFCE, it probably makes more sense for something like the games spin to be based on the main desktop config * Then, the %packages section boils down to really just the games you're adding on top * Given the size you're already going to be at, I don't think that removing printing, evolution and the gimp helps that much... you might as well include them and then it's a fully functional desktop + the set of games. The delta is going to be on the order of maybe 50 megs. * The %post section will then just get inherited from the desktop config and not need replication of things like the avahi hack > I configuration the repo to point to a local copy of rawhide instead of > a mirror list and get this > > http://pastebin.ca/723478 I thought this was fixed up in rawhide yum -- basically, you're hitting an error and in the error teardown path, there's a yum bug. But that should be fixed in yum 3.2.5-3 or later. Unless I didn't backport the full fix from yum.git. Anyway, kicked off an image with your config just to see what happens, but I have to catch the bus in ~ 15 minutes and I suspect it won't be done by then. I'll try to check on it when I get home, though. Jeremy From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 2 21:38:50 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:08:50 +0530 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <1191361131.25097.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <1191361131.25097.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4702BA6A.5050609@fedoraproject.org> Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 02:19 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I have changed the configuration file to inherit the base desktop >> configuration as Jeremy Katz (CC'ed) has suggested to do that before >> getting board approval on this spin. > > So, some suggestions after looking at what you've got now > * Using base-desktop vs desktop -- while base-desktop is good for KDE or > XFCE, it probably makes more sense for something like the games spin to > be based on the main desktop config I thought about that before too. You are right. I have done that change now. > Anyway, kicked off an image with your config just to see what happens, > but I have to catch the bus in ~ 15 minutes and I suspect it won't be > done by then. I'll try to check on it when I get home, though. Thanks Jeremy. Appreciate the help. Rahul From katzj at redhat.com Wed Oct 3 15:12:13 2007 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:12:13 -0400 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4702BA6A.5050609@fedoraproject.org> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <1191361131.25097.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4702BA6A.5050609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1191424333.25097.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 03:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Anyway, kicked off an image with your config just to see what happens, > > but I have to catch the bus in ~ 15 minutes and I suspect it won't be > > done by then. I'll try to check on it when I get home, though. > > Thanks Jeremy. Appreciate the help. Mostly worked -- needed to add a larger rootfs. I've updated the config on the wiki appropriately. Jeremy From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Wed Oct 3 17:46:51 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:46:51 +0200 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4703D58B.8010800@hhs.nl> Hi All, Its no longer clear to me where the master copy of the .ks file is, so I'm just sending changes here. I think we need a VCS to hold the .ks file. As a result from the discussion about autodownloader games I would like to suggest the addition of the following games to the list (traditional, small): quake3 vavoom rott-shareware Also I've recently imported: londonlaw Last, if we are willing to take the 50Mb hit for kdelibs (we already have qt and arts due to some dep issues I'm working on resolving) these would be good to have too: taxipilot ksirk Also I just got freecol approved, I'll build it as soon as its CVS creation is done: freecol Last I would like to see bolzplatz2006 included (fun comic style 3d football game), can someone help reviewing it? : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=283721 Thanks & Regards, Hans From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Wed Oct 3 18:09:15 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:09:15 +0200 Subject: KDE based games on the livedvd or not? Message-ID: <4703DACB.5060908@hhs.nl> Hi All, The subject says it all. Downside is 50Mb worth of kdelibs is needed, games I'm currently thinking about: ksirk taxipilot Regards, Hans From limb at jcomserv.net Wed Oct 3 18:13:01 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:13:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: KDE based games on the livedvd or not? In-Reply-To: <4703DACB.5060908@hhs.nl> References: <4703DACB.5060908@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <21101.63.85.68.164.1191435181.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> > Hi All, > > The subject says it all. Downside is 50Mb worth of kdelibs is needed, > games I'm > currently thinking about: > ksirk > taxipilot (Score:5, Worth It) > Regards, > > Hans > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > -- novus ordo absurdum From tibbs at math.uh.edu Wed Oct 3 18:19:04 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 03 Oct 2007 13:19:04 -0500 Subject: Nazghul in the games spin Message-ID: Would it be possible to add nazghul and hazghul-haxima to the spin? They're not large, and the authors have asked me if it could be included. The RPMs together are about 2MB. - J< From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Wed Oct 3 18:25:28 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:25:28 +0200 Subject: Nazghul in the games spin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4703DE98.2010402@hhs.nl> Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Would it be possible to add nazghul and hazghul-haxima to the spin? > They're not large, and the authors have asked me if it could be > included. > > The RPMs together are about 2MB. > Sure, the kickstart file for the games spin is located in the wiki for now, feel free to add any games you consider worthy, including nazhgul: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLive Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 3 18:51:24 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:21:24 +0530 Subject: KDE based games on the livedvd or not? In-Reply-To: <4703DACB.5060908@hhs.nl> References: <4703DACB.5060908@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <4703E4AC.8090002@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi All, > > The subject says it all. Downside is 50Mb worth of kdelibs is needed, > games I'm currently thinking about: > ksirk > taxipilot Do you want the regular kde games package to be included too? I don't think we decided on using the autodownloader games either though the majority opinions seems to be in favor. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Oct 3 18:53:26 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:23:26 +0530 Subject: KDE based games on the livedvd or not? In-Reply-To: <4703E4AC.8090002@fedoraproject.org> References: <4703DACB.5060908@hhs.nl> <4703E4AC.8090002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4703E526.3070604@fedoraproject.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> The subject says it all. Downside is 50Mb worth of kdelibs is needed, >> games I'm currently thinking about: >> ksirk >> taxipilot > > Do you want the regular kde games package to be included too? I don't > think we decided on using the autodownloader games either though the > majority opinions seems to be in favor. Ignore the point about autodownloader games. I just noticed you have send those details in another mail. Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Wed Oct 3 19:33:06 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:33:06 +0200 Subject: KDE based games on the livedvd or not? In-Reply-To: <4703E4AC.8090002@fedoraproject.org> References: <4703DACB.5060908@hhs.nl> <4703E4AC.8090002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4703EE72.5010602@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> The subject says it all. Downside is 50Mb worth of kdelibs is needed, >> games I'm currently thinking about: >> ksirk >> taxipilot > > Do you want the regular kde games package to be included too? I wasn't planning on that, as it doesn't add much over gnome-games IMHO. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 4 17:25:11 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:55:11 +0530 Subject: Icon for autodownloader? Message-ID: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> Hi Autodownloader doesn't seem to have a icon. I use a dock like panel and it is much nicer and easier to identify apps which has icons associated with them. Art team has a design service to help out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Thu Oct 4 17:41:19 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:41:19 +0200 Subject: Icon for autodownloader? In-Reply-To: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> References: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <470525BF.3070102@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Autodownloader doesn't seem to have a icon. I use a dock like panel and > it is much nicer and easier to identify apps which has icons associated > with them. > Erm, autodownloader doesn't have an icon as it is not intended to be directly invoked, it doesn't have a menu entry either. Instead apps which need files to be downloaded have a wrapper script which checks if the files are present, and if not invokes autodownloader and installs the files (under $HOME, so no root rights are needed). This wrapper scripts gets invoked by a menu entry which gets installed by the package of the app, using an icon from the app. I hope that clarifies things. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 4 17:47:58 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:17:58 +0530 Subject: Icon for autodownloader? In-Reply-To: <470525BF.3070102@hhs.nl> References: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> <470525BF.3070102@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <4705274E.4050403@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> Autodownloader doesn't seem to have a icon. I use a dock like panel >> and it is much nicer and easier to identify apps which has icons >> associated with them. >> > > Erm, autodownloader doesn't have an icon as it is not intended to be > directly invoked, it doesn't have a menu entry either. Instead apps > which need files to be downloaded have a wrapper script which checks if > the files are present, and if not invokes autodownloader and installs > the files (under $HOME, so no root rights are needed). This wrapper > scripts gets invoked by a menu entry which gets installed by the package > of the app, using an icon from the app. > > I hope that clarifies things. I understand what autodownloader is but in dock like applications, example Avant window navigator in GNOME or Bagheera in KDE, big icons are used to indicate currently running applications instead of the task list. Autodownloader when it's invoked can take a long time to download game content esp over low bandwidth connections and it's useful to differentiate it from other running applications. IIRC it was also a recommended guideline for any dialog boxes to have unique icons associated with them. Something to consider. Rahul From wart at kobold.org Thu Oct 4 18:04:45 2007 From: wart at kobold.org (Michael Thomas) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:04:45 -0700 Subject: Icon for autodownloader? In-Reply-To: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> References: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47052B3D.7080202@kobold.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Autodownloader doesn't seem to have a icon. I use a dock like panel and > it is much nicer and easier to identify apps which has icons associated > with them. > > Art team has a design service to help out > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService Just a thought: What about adding an emblem to the icons for games that use the autodownloader? I realize that the tooltip for the game menu entries already indicates the use of the autodownloader, but an emblem might be nice to have in addition to the tooltip. --Wart From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Thu Oct 4 18:14:44 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:14:44 +0200 Subject: Icon for autodownloader? In-Reply-To: <4705274E.4050403@fedoraproject.org> References: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> <470525BF.3070102@hhs.nl> <4705274E.4050403@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47052D94.9000604@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Autodownloader doesn't seem to have a icon. I use a dock like panel >>> and it is much nicer and easier to identify apps which has icons >>> associated with them. >>> >> >> Erm, autodownloader doesn't have an icon as it is not intended to be >> directly invoked, it doesn't have a menu entry either. Instead apps >> which need files to be downloaded have a wrapper script which checks >> if the files are present, and if not invokes autodownloader and >> installs the files (under $HOME, so no root rights are needed). This >> wrapper scripts gets invoked by a menu entry which gets installed by >> the package of the app, using an icon from the app. >> >> I hope that clarifies things. > > I understand what autodownloader is but in dock like applications, > example Avant window navigator in GNOME or Bagheera in KDE, big icons > are used to indicate currently running applications instead of the task > list. > > Autodownloader when it's invoked can take a long time to download game > content esp over low bandwidth connections and it's useful to > differentiate it from other running applications. IIRC it was also a > recommended guideline for any dialog boxes to have unique icons > associated with them. Something to consider. > Ah, now I understand. I'm afraid I don't know how to add a window icon from python + glade. But if someone is willing to file a request with the art team for an iocn and see the requets through till we have actually an icon, then I'll do my best to integrate the icon into autodownloader. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 4 18:36:43 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:06:43 +0530 Subject: Icon for autodownloader? In-Reply-To: <47052D94.9000604@hhs.nl> References: <470521F7.2020002@fedoraproject.org> <470525BF.3070102@hhs.nl> <4705274E.4050403@fedoraproject.org> <47052D94.9000604@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470532BB.2000008@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > > Ah, now I understand. I'm afraid I don't know how to add a window icon > from python + glade. But if someone is willing to file a request with > the art team for an iocn and see the requets through till we have > actually an icon, then I'll do my best to integrate the icon into > autodownloader. I have placed a request in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Thu Oct 4 20:19:40 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:19:40 +0200 Subject: Glaxium In-Reply-To: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47054ADC.1030702@hhs.nl> Ric Moore wrote: > You might want to check this one out... the graphics look GREAT on the > website, but it needs something to make properly. I'm no coder! :) > http://xhosxe.free.fr/glaxium/ > The Author says he's abandoning, right there on his website it so I > guess that means it's free to update and package in an rpm?? Space game > shooters usually look kinda mundane... this one would be a great one to > salvage. Ric > Packaged, review is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=319191 Regards, Hans From chris.stone at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 22:33:18 2007 From: chris.stone at gmail.com (Christopher Stone) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:33:18 -0700 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: <4703D58B.8010800@hhs.nl> References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> <4703D58B.8010800@hhs.nl> Message-ID: On 10/3/07, Hans de Goede wrote: > Last, if we are willing to take the 50Mb hit for kdelibs (we already have qt > and arts due to some dep issues I'm working on resolving) these would be good > to have too: > taxipilot > ksirk poker2d-kde can be added also if kdelibs is added, it should only be a few extra kilobytes. I would be saddened if gimp is added and kde games are not. :( From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Oct 4 22:47:13 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:17:13 +0530 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> <4703D58B.8010800@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <47056D71.4050101@fedoraproject.org> Christopher Stone wrote: > poker2d-kde can be added also if kdelibs is added, it should only be a > few extra kilobytes. > > I would be saddened if gimp is added and kde games are not. :( Note that inheriting a configuration does not mean that you are struck with the package set. If there is strong notions on dropping some packages, you can still remove packages after inheriting them from existing kickstart files. - That's it. Rahul From lemenkov at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 06:59:36 2007 From: lemenkov at gmail.com (Peter Lemenkov) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:59:36 +0400 Subject: Mixing of macros and native commands in specs. Message-ID: Hello All! Just for clarification - is it allowed to mix macros and native command in spec-file? For instance %make make %{?_smp_mflags} %install %{_rm} -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT make DESTDIR=%{buildroot} install -- With best regards! From lemenkov at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 07:01:28 2007 From: lemenkov at gmail.com (Peter Lemenkov) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:01:28 +0400 Subject: Mixing of macros and native commands in specs. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2007/10/5, Peter Lemenkov : > Hello All! > Just for clarification - is it allowed to mix macros and native > command in spec-file? For instance > > %make > make %{?_smp_mflags} > > %install > %{_rm} -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT > make DESTDIR=%{buildroot} install Oops! Wrong address. Sorry folks... -- With best regards! From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Fri Oct 5 08:03:26 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:03:26 +0200 Subject: Games spin, minor configuration changes In-Reply-To: References: <4702AED6.2040803@fedoraproject.org> <4702B12D.30105@hhs.nl> <4702B205.3040406@fedoraproject.org> <4703D58B.8010800@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <4705EFCE.4070106@hhs.nl> Christopher Stone wrote: > On 10/3/07, Hans de Goede wrote: >> Last, if we are willing to take the 50Mb hit for kdelibs (we already have qt >> and arts due to some dep issues I'm working on resolving) these would be good >> to have too: >> taxipilot >> ksirk > > poker2d-kde can be added also if kdelibs is added, it should only be a > few extra kilobytes. > > I would be saddened if gimp is added and kde games are not. :( > Okay, I've added a kde based games section to the .ks file and populated it with: ksirk taxipilot poker2d-kde Regards, Hans From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 22:24:27 2007 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:24:27 -0400 Subject: Glaxium In-Reply-To: <47054ADC.1030702@hhs.nl> References: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47054ADC.1030702@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <1191623067.4022.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 22:19 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > You might want to check this one out... the graphics look GREAT on the > > website, but it needs something to make properly. I'm no coder! :) > > http://xhosxe.free.fr/glaxium/ > > The Author says he's abandoning, right there on his website it so I > > guess that means it's free to update and package in an rpm?? Space game > > shooters usually look kinda mundane... this one would be a great one to > > salvage. Ric > > > > Packaged, review is here: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=319191 Great! I'll get to it as soon as all of these updates for today get a chance to dnload. Whew! There are a bunch of them!! Someone has been mighty busy. Ric -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar http://www.wayward4now.net <---down4now too ================================================ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 5 22:35:17 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:05:17 +0530 Subject: Glaxium In-Reply-To: <1191623067.4022.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1191218172.16418.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47054ADC.1030702@hhs.nl> <1191623067.4022.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4706BC25.4060902@fedoraproject.org> Ric Moore wrote: > Great! I'll get to it as soon as all of these updates for today get a > chance to dnload. Whew! There are a bunch of them!! Someone has been > mighty busy. Ric Presto can help a lot https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/presto/ Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Sun Oct 7 13:57:26 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:57:26 +0200 Subject: Egoboo submitted for review Message-ID: <4708E5C6.8060408@hhs.nl> Hi all, I don't know who requested it, but I believe this was requested by someone, so for those interested. Egoboo the graphical (3d) nethack-ish RPG has been submitted for review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=322161 Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 9 18:24:24 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:54:24 +0530 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? Message-ID: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> Hi I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000 copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to distribute a DVD. I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort? Rahul From limb at jcomserv.net Tue Oct 9 18:26:25 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:26:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <39872.63.85.68.164.1191954385.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> > Hi > > I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to > distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I > could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000 > copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to > distribute a DVD. > > I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having > it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort? I've been arguing in favor of that since the start, as I have no DVD drives. +1 from me. Though I completely understand the arguments against. In this case, we have an opportunity to put Fedora in front of more eyeballs, so I say go for it. > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > -- novus ordo absurdum From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Oct 9 19:01:22 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:01:22 +0200 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to > distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I > could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000 > copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to > distribute a DVD. > > I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having > it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort? > Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size. I would like to nominate: -The floppy editions of beneath-a-steal-sky (10 Mb) think lucas film arts games like maniac mansian, definetively worth it if you ask me. -quake3 (3Mb), vavoom (4Mb) (they are small through using auto-downloader, yes I'm a cheater) -worminator (platform shootem-up crossover, only 0.5 Mb) -KoboDeluxe (1 Mb) -raidem (7 Mb) very good 2d top-down shoot'em up like 1942, raptor, etc. -crystal-stacker, Falling blocks, match 3 or more of the same color crystals (1 Mb) -fbg, falling block, classics (1.3 Mb) -freeciv (12 Mb) -methane, like bubbles and bobbles (2 Mb) -njam, like pacman (4 Mb) -lacewing, cool! (2 Mb) -ballbuster, a brick buster (2 Mb) -clanbomber (2 Mb) -scorchwentbonkers, try it (2 Mb) -stormbaancoureur, car racing (4 Mb) -machineball (4 mb) -xgalaxy, xgalaga renamed (1 Mb) Maybe: -asc, strategic game (12 Mb) -duel3, ... (7 Mb) -supertuxkart, cool but .. (36 Mb) -pinball (7 Mb) -seahorse-adventures (try it) (4 Mb) -auriferious, like loderunner (20 Mb) Also I'll try to get: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250735 Resolved asap, that will save us arts and qt, unless we want kde stuff. Regards, Hans From tibbs at math.uh.edu Tue Oct 9 19:08:23 2007 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: 09 Oct 2007 14:08:23 -0500 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> Message-ID: I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in there. xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny. - J< From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Oct 9 19:08:36 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:08:36 +0200 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470BD1B4.6020402@hhs.nl> Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in there. > xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty > tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny. > I fully agree, I would really like to see many < 5 Mb games instead of a few larger games. Then again games like supertuxkart although bigish are also nice. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 9 19:20:18 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:50:18 +0530 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to >> distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I >> could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of >> 15000 copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford >> to distribute a DVD. >> >> I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in >> having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the >> effort? >> > > Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! Actually it is 30000 cd's since we would distribute two different spins. Fedora games and a local language (Tamil) edition. Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details more. Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Oct 9 19:23:13 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:23:13 +0200 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <470BD521.80201@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Do copy and modify > the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details > more. > Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we can then start adding games. Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce and games spin all rolled into one :) Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 9 19:33:51 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:03:51 +0530 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BD521.80201@hhs.nl> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> <470BD521.80201@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470BD79F.6010007@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can >> work out the details more. >> > > Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone > to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we > can then start adding games. I am suggesting that we can copy and trim the existing games DVD kickstart file and reuse that if that is less work. Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce > and games spin all rolled into one :) It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Oct 9 19:42:37 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:42:37 +0200 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BD79F.6010007@fedoraproject.org> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> <470BD521.80201@hhs.nl> <470BD79F.6010007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <470BD9AD.6080008@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can >>> work out the details more. >>> >> >> Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone >> to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we >> can then start adding games. > > I am suggesting that we can copy and trim the existing games DVD > kickstart file and reuse that if that is less work. > Hmm, but thats derived from the standard desktop install isn't it? Then we will have very little room for games. I'm thinking more along the lines of a very minimal desktop with a stripped xfce (for example no filemanager, unless thats very small and doesn't bring in to much deps). I'm also thinking things like: no browser, maybe a text based one which can be launched in a terminal from a fake htmlview like command for those apps that expect htmlview to be there. > Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce >> and games spin all rolled into one :) > > It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive > Cool! Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, mail client, office apps, etc. AFAIK the unique asset of the games dvd is the games list other then that its almost an exact copy of the official desktop livecd. Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 9 19:52:38 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:22:38 +0530 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BD9AD.6080008@hhs.nl> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> <470BD521.80201@hhs.nl> <470BD79F.6010007@fedoraproject.org> <470BD9AD.6080008@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470BDC06.4060805@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: >> >> It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive >> > > Cool! > > Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, > mail client, office apps, etc. We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the base OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does now. If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as well as games live cd. Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Tue Oct 9 19:53:45 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:53:45 +0200 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BDC06.4060805@fedoraproject.org> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> <470BD521.80201@hhs.nl> <470BD79F.6010007@fedoraproject.org> <470BD9AD.6080008@hhs.nl> <470BDC06.4060805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <470BDC49.9070308@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: > >>> >>> It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too. >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive >>> >> >> Cool! >> >> Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, >> mail client, office apps, etc. > > We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the base > OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does now. > If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as well as > games live cd. > I'm afraid I simply don't have the time for that, between getting some kernel drivers ready for the 2.6.24 merge window, the full steam rolling CCRMA packages integration with the AudioCreation SIG and a successful starting up of rpmfusion all my time is spend (most of it spend twice). Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 9 20:03:08 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:33:08 +0530 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BDC49.9070308@hhs.nl> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470BD472.7060805@fedoraproject.org> <470BD521.80201@hhs.nl> <470BD79F.6010007@fedoraproject.org> <470BD9AD.6080008@hhs.nl> <470BDC06.4060805@fedoraproject.org> <470BDC49.9070308@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470BDE7C.8020507@fedoraproject.org> Hans de Goede wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hans de Goede wrote: >> >>>> >>>> It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too. >>>> >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive >>>> >>> >>> Cool! >>> >>> Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the >>> broswer, mail client, office apps, etc. >> >> We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the >> base OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does >> now. If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as >> well as games live cd. >> > > I'm afraid I simply don't have the time for that, That's understandable. I am busy with other stuff too. Is anyone volunteering? Rahul From wart at kobold.org Wed Oct 10 05:36:19 2007 From: wart at kobold.org (Wart) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:36:19 -0700 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470C64D3.2040702@kobold.org> Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in there. > xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty > tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny. If you really want old-school rpg, add rogue and ularn, which barely top 500k combined. :) --Wart From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 10 07:37:14 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:37:14 +0300 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470C812A.6050806@nicubunu.ro> Hans de Goede wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in >> having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the >> effort? If you build the CD then I think it make absolutely sense to make it widely available. > Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the > desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size. > > I would like to nominate: > -The floppy editions of I think if a games CD is intended to have any success, it have to include more than geeky games, is a must to cover some mainstream genres, IMO Wesnoth is a must, a real 3D shooter is a must and maybe a car game. I understand those are large games and the size is important, but the purpose is to have games people will play (do not address only a niche of players). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Wed Oct 10 07:39:26 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:39:26 +0200 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470C812A.6050806@nicubunu.ro> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470C812A.6050806@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <470C81AE.8050103@hhs.nl> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Hans de Goede wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in >>> having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the >>> effort? > > If you build the CD then I think it make absolutely sense to make it > widely available. > >> Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the >> desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size. >> >> I would like to nominate: >> -The floppy editions of > > I think if a games CD is intended to have any success, it have to > include more than geeky games, is a must to cover some mainstream > genres, IMO Wesnoth is a must, a real 3D shooter is a must and maybe a > car game. I understand those are large games and the size is important, > but the purpose is to have games people will play (do not address only a > niche of players). > Have you actually tried Beneath a steel sky? It does cover a mainstream genre, the genre of games like Monkey Island, and the later point and click interface larry's and space quests and it covers that well, and only for 8 Mb! Also a lot of the other games I mentioned are not pure geeky. Who doesn't like pacman or the well known Russian falling blocks game? Regards, Hans From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Oct 10 09:00:42 2007 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:00:42 +0300 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470C81AE.8050103@hhs.nl> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470C812A.6050806@nicubunu.ro> <470C81AE.8050103@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <470C94BA.90502@nicubunu.ro> Hans de Goede wrote: > Have you actually tried Beneath a steel sky? It does cover a mainstream > genre, the genre of games like Monkey Island, and the later point and > click interface larry's and space quests and it covers that well, and > only for 8 Mb! Yes, about 10 years ago I was in fact quite a big fan of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (also based on SCUMM) but I moved over. Sure, I could play it a bit out of nostalgia but that is all. Have you seen the kids these days playing old-school adventures? Is the goal of the spin to make happy the nostalgia players or attract new people to Fedora? I don't argue against the inclusion of such games, but to ponder then with something modern and cover a large user base. > Also a lot of the other games I mentioned are not pure geeky. Who > doesn't like pacman or the well known Russian falling blocks game? Well, Tetris is part of the Gnome games package (even if Fedora let it out due to a questionable trademark policy), so a game like it is expected in the main desktop spin, the games spin I think should have higher goals. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From seg at haxxed.com Wed Oct 10 10:20:24 2007 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:20:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470C94BA.90502@nicubunu.ro> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <470BD002.5020905@hhs.nl> <470C812A.6050806@nicubunu.ro> <470C81AE.8050103@hhs.nl> <470C94BA.90502@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1192011624.29582.116.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 12:00 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I don't argue against the inclusion of such games, but to ponder then > with something modern and cover a large user base. I'd want to see OpenArena but... its big. ~260mb -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mr.ecik at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 14:17:30 2007 From: mr.ecik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Bentkowski?=) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:17:30 +0200 Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <668bb39a0710100717j5fdc69a7ya1247c7d781eefe6@mail.gmail.com> In my opinion we should select a core of two or three bigger games that would be a good promotion of LiveCD and then fill the empty space with smaller games. That is because most of players would be definitely more interested in well-known newer games than the classics. I'd select Wesnoth and OpenArena or Nexuiz. Why? - Wesnoth - because it's a really popular game that is better than many commercial available games, turn-based games have many fans (not to mention HoMM) and having it in Fedora may attract lots of folks playing this type of games. - OpenArena or Nexuiz - popularity of network FPS's is a thing that doesn't need to be explained. Both can be played offline too unless somebody owns internet connection. With this selection we could draw fans of strategy and action games. What do you think? -- Micha? Bentkowski mr.ecik at gmail.com From limb at jcomserv.net Wed Oct 10 14:20:56 2007 From: limb at jcomserv.net (Jon Ciesla) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:20:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Fedora games Live CD? In-Reply-To: <668bb39a0710100717j5fdc69a7ya1247c7d781eefe6@mail.gmail.com> References: <470BC758.8040106@fedoraproject.org> <668bb39a0710100717j5fdc69a7ya1247c7d781eefe6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10549.63.85.68.164.1192026056.squirrel@mail.jcomserv.net> > In my opinion we should select a core of two or three bigger games > that would be a good promotion of LiveCD and then fill the empty space > with smaller games. > That is because most of players would be definitely more interested in > well-known newer games than the classics. > > I'd select Wesnoth and OpenArena or Nexuiz. Why? > - Wesnoth - because it's a really popular game that is better than > many commercial available games, turn-based games have many fans (not > to mention HoMM) and having it in Fedora may attract lots of folks > playing this type of games. > - OpenArena or Nexuiz - popularity of network FPS's is a thing that > doesn't need to be explained. Both can be played offline too unless > somebody owns internet connection. > > With this selection we could draw fans of strategy and action games. > What do you think? +1, I vote nexuiz. > > -- > Micha? Bentkowski > mr.ecik at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > -- novus ordo absurdum From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Oct 16 23:24:55 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:54:55 +0530 Subject: An Open Letter to Raven Software and Activision Message-ID: <47154847.7030206@fedoraproject.org> Hi Of interest to folks here. http://www.doomworld.com/eternity/letter.html Rahul From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 03:32:15 2007 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:32:15 -0400 Subject: An Open Letter to Raven Software and Activision In-Reply-To: <47154847.7030206@fedoraproject.org> References: <47154847.7030206@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1192678335.5545.315.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 04:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Of interest to folks here. > > http://www.doomworld.com/eternity/letter.html > > Rahul Thanks for bringing this to our attention. 638 signatures now! Ric -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar http://www.wayward4now.net <---down4now too ================================================ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 20 12:21:04 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:51:04 +0630 Subject: Fedora Games spin approved Message-ID: <4719F2B0.8050601@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2007-10-16 Last I heard Jeremy Katz is testing this out and then sending it over to infrastructure team and it will be hosted in http://spins.fedoraproject.org along with the other spins. I still need to work on the games live cd as well as the xfce spin. Any help is appreciated. Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Sat Oct 20 22:34:27 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:34:27 +0200 Subject: Fedora Games spin approved In-Reply-To: <4719F2B0.8050601@fedoraproject.org> References: <4719F2B0.8050601@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <471A8273.6090405@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2007-10-16 > > Last I heard Jeremy Katz is testing this out and then sending it over to > infrastructure team and it will be hosted in > http://spins.fedoraproject.org along with the other spins. > Thats great news! Regards, Hans From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Oct 27 03:01:16 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:31:16 +0530 Subject: Urban Terror Message-ID: <4722A9FC.3090404@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Urban Terror is a popular total conversion/mod based on the Quake 3 engine. It is a realistic style game similar to Counter Strike. Works well already with the Quake 3 engine available in the repository. Instructions ------------ # yum install quake3 # wget ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/urbanterror/UrbanTerror40_full.zip (536 MB) # unzip UrbanTerror40_full.zip # su # mv q3ut4/ /usr/share/quake3 # exit # quake3 +set fs_game q3ut4 Trying to run it from the mod menu will fail with a "hunk alloc" error. So don't bother. Let me know if it works for you. Packaging --------- It doesn't allow redistribution. The readme has this gem. "Urban Terror is distributed free over the Internet and is covered by the Quake 3 SDK licence agreement [EULA]. The mod files may not be sold [in any form] or distributed on physical media unless with permission from iD Software. For further information on legal use of programs derived from Quake 3 source code, please contact their respective authors. " While it may indeed be possible to secure redistribution rights from id since they are a very Linux friendly company, we could do something to make this easier meanwhile. Create a package called urbanterror which depends on the quake3 package and uses autodownloader to download the game data, create a menu entry which calls the above command. Should be pretty easy to do. Anyone interested? Rahul From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Sat Oct 27 07:12:51 2007 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:12:51 +0200 Subject: Urban Terror In-Reply-To: <4722A9FC.3090404@fedoraproject.org> References: <4722A9FC.3090404@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4722E4F3.5040803@hhs.nl> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Urban Terror is a popular total conversion/mod based on the Quake 3 > engine. It is a realistic style game similar to Counter Strike. Works > well already with the Quake 3 engine available in the repository. > > Instructions > ------------ > > # yum install quake3 > # wget > ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/urbanterror/UrbanTerror40_full.zip > (536 MB) > # unzip UrbanTerror40_full.zip > # su > # mv q3ut4/ /usr/share/quake3 > # exit > # quake3 +set fs_game q3ut4 > > Trying to run it from the mod menu will fail with a "hunk alloc" error. > So don't bother. Let me know if it works for you. > > Packaging > --------- > > It doesn't allow redistribution. The readme has this gem. > > "Urban Terror is distributed free over the Internet and is covered by > the Quake 3 SDK licence agreement [EULA]. The mod files may not be sold > [in any form] or distributed on physical media unless with permission > from iD Software. > > For further information on legal use of programs derived from Quake 3 > source code, please contact their respective authors. > " > > While it may indeed be possible to secure redistribution rights from id > since they are a very Linux friendly company, we could do something to > make this easier meanwhile. Create a package called urbanterror which > depends on the quake3 package and uses autodownloader to download the > game data, create a menu entry which calls the above command. Should be > pretty easy to do. Anyone interested? > If someone can provide me with a: -autodlrc file -wrapper script for launching -.desktop file -icon I would happily add this to the quake3 package, a seperate package just for this is overkill IMHO. Take a look at the current quake3-demo wrapper, .autodlrc and .desktop file for an example howto do this. Regards, Hans