From bruno at wolff.to Thu Feb 5 17:04:33 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:04:33 -0600 Subject: Games Spin Alpha Message-ID: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> An i686 Games Spin was produced as part of the alpha release. (x86_64 ended up being too large.) You can help test this by getting a torrent from: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-11-Alpha-i686-Live-Games.torrent Please copy bruno at wolff.to on any bugs you file. Thanks! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 5 17:18:30 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:48:30 +0530 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> Message-ID: <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> Bruno Wolff III wrote: > An i686 Games Spin was produced as part of the alpha release. (x86_64 > ended up being too large.) You can help test this by getting a torrent from: > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-11-Alpha-i686-Live-Games.torrent > > Please copy bruno at wolff.to on any bugs you file. Add information to the release notes. Also note that spins should have a bug component already and it would be useful to file bug reports against that which the spin maintainers should be getting by default. Rahul From bruno at wolff.to Thu Feb 5 17:26:01 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0600 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 22:48:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> An i686 Games Spin was produced as part of the alpha release. (x86_64 >> ended up being too large.) You can help test this by getting a torrent from: >> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-11-Alpha-i686-Live-Games.torrent >> >> Please copy bruno at wolff.to on any bugs you file. > > Add information to the release notes. Also note that spins should have a > bug component already and it would be useful to file bug reports against > that which the spin maintainers should be getting by default. I never did any setup so that I would get any bug reports as a spin maintainer. Is there some documentation on how I do that? From bruno at wolff.to Thu Feb 5 17:26:01 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0600 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 22:48:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> An i686 Games Spin was produced as part of the alpha release. (x86_64 >> ended up being too large.) You can help test this by getting a torrent from: >> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-11-Alpha-i686-Live-Games.torrent >> >> Please copy bruno at wolff.to on any bugs you file. > > Add information to the release notes. Also note that spins should have a > bug component already and it would be useful to file bug reports against > that which the spin maintainers should be getting by default. I never did any setup so that I would get any bug reports as a spin maintainer. Is there some documentation on how I do that? From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 5 17:50:35 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:20:35 +0530 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> Message-ID: <498B26EB.9070508@fedoraproject.org> Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 22:48:30 +0530, > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>> An i686 Games Spin was produced as part of the alpha release. (x86_64 >>> ended up being too large.) You can help test this by getting a torrent from: >>> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-11-Alpha-i686-Live-Games.torrent >>> >>> Please copy bruno at wolff.to on any bugs you file. >> Add information to the release notes. Also note that spins should have a >> bug component already and it would be useful to file bug reports against >> that which the spin maintainers should be getting by default. > > I never did any setup so that I would get any bug reports as a spin > maintainer. Is there some documentation on how I do that? Supposed to be automatically taken care of. I see a Xfce Live CD component that I get bug reports. Rahul From bruno at wolff.to Thu Feb 5 20:58:00 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:58:00 -0600 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <498B26EB.9070508@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> <498B26EB.9070508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090205205800.GA6280@wolff.to> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 23:20:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > Supposed to be automatically taken care of. I see a Xfce Live CD > component that I get bug reports. Maybe someone set one up and I didn't hear about it. Also I would like to be copied on bugs for games that aren't directly related to the live part of things. From bruno at wolff.to Thu Feb 5 20:58:00 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:58:00 -0600 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <498B26EB.9070508@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> <498B26EB.9070508@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090205205800.GA6280@wolff.to> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 23:20:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > Supposed to be automatically taken care of. I see a Xfce Live CD > component that I get bug reports. Maybe someone set one up and I didn't hear about it. Also I would like to be copied on bugs for games that aren't directly related to the live part of things. From bruno at wolff.to Thu Feb 5 21:25:50 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:25:50 -0600 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> Message-ID: <20090205212550.GA14832@wolff.to> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:04:33 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > An i686 Games Spin was produced as part of the alpha release. (x86_64 > ended up being too large.) You can help test this by getting a torrent from: > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-11-Alpha-i686-Live-Games.torrent Another seed just got added and tranfer rates are much faster now. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 5 21:25:50 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:55:50 +0530 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <20090205205800.GA6280@wolff.to> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> <498B26EB.9070508@fedoraproject.org> <20090205205800.GA6280@wolff.to> Message-ID: <498B595E.8000903@fedoraproject.org> Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 23:20:35 +0530, > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> >> Supposed to be automatically taken care of. I see a Xfce Live CD >> component that I get bug reports. > > Maybe someone set one up and I didn't hear about it. > > Also I would like to be copied on bugs for games that aren't directly > related to the live part of things. Do you have commit access to fix them or do you just want to stay informed? You can apply for watching just bugs as well in pkgdb. Rahul From bruno at wolff.to Thu Feb 5 21:45:07 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:45:07 -0600 Subject: Games Spin Alpha In-Reply-To: <498B595E.8000903@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090205170433.GA26967@wolff.to> <498B1F66.4010501@fedoraproject.org> <20090205172601.GA30134@wolff.to> <498B26EB.9070508@fedoraproject.org> <20090205205800.GA6280@wolff.to> <498B595E.8000903@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090205214507.GA18630@wolff.to> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 02:55:50 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 23:20:35 +0530, >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>> >>> Supposed to be automatically taken care of. I see a Xfce Live CD >>> component that I get bug reports. >> >> Maybe someone set one up and I didn't hear about it. >> >> Also I would like to be copied on bugs for games that aren't directly >> related to the live part of things. > > Do you have commit access to fix them or do you just want to stay > informed? You can apply for watching just bugs as well in pkgdb. No I don't have commit access (except to the spin-kickstarts repository). But by knowing about bugs for games I can jaw bone the maintainers or ask for help from proven packagers. I plan to do this shortly for nethack. From bruno at wolff.to Tue Feb 17 22:48:07 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:48:07 -0600 Subject: Games spin status Message-ID: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> The spin will definitately be limited to 4 GiB. I am testing removing Wine in order to keep the x86_64 spin about the same size. (Wine pulls in a bunch of 386 libs.) I was also planning on removing wget since being based on the desktop kickstart I'll just take whatever it pulls in. I was going to drop dosbox as we are trying to show off Fedora's games, not being able to run emulators for mostly propietary stuff. I need to keep an eye on space still as the spin is very close to the size limit and changes in packages could end up putting the spin over. I haven't finished get the newer spin page done yet. The general stuff is there, but I need to include a game list which will be a bit of typing. I want to get this done this week so that the spin wrangler will have plenty of time to review before the next Spin SIG meeting. I still could use a maintainer to take a look at nethack and see if it's font setup just needs the Requires(post) and add it if it does. I haven't gotten any feedback from the Alpha Spin. I have noticed some people grabbing a copy as I have been trying to help seed. So I think a few people are using it. From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 23:08:33 2009 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:08:33 -0500 Subject: Games spin status In-Reply-To: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> References: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> Message-ID: <1234912113.23136.67.camel@ignacio.lan> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:48 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I haven't gotten any feedback from the Alpha Spin. I have noticed some people > grabbing a copy as I have been trying to help seed. So I think a few people > are using it. The torrent performance has been awful because leechers haven't been sticking around to seed for the most part. I just managed to finish downloading it today. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bruno at wolff.to Tue Feb 17 23:34:30 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:34:30 -0600 Subject: Games spin status In-Reply-To: <1234912113.23136.67.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> <1234912113.23136.67.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <20090217233430.GA20481@wolff.to> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 18:08:33 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:48 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I haven't gotten any feedback from the Alpha Spin. I have noticed some people > > grabbing a copy as I have been trying to help seed. So I think a few people > > are using it. > > The torrent performance has been awful because leechers haven't been > sticking around to seed for the most part. I just managed to finish > downloading it today. Most of the time I am seeding it and I can put out data at around 400KB/s. >From checking the status, either people can't download that fast or there were other people also seeding at good rates. Only a few times have I seen people grabbing data at more than 100 KB/s. From bruno at wolff.to Wed Feb 18 18:27:11 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:27:11 -0600 Subject: Games spin status In-Reply-To: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> References: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> Message-ID: <20090218182711.GA22832@wolff.to> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 16:48:07 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I am testing removing Wine in order to keep the x86_64 spin about the same > size. (Wine pulls in a bunch of 386 libs.) This seems to work. I haven't committed the changes yet, but will do so soon. From bruno at wolff.to Wed Feb 18 19:19:32 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:19:32 -0600 Subject: Games spin status In-Reply-To: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> References: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> Message-ID: <20090218191932.GA1463@wolff.to> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 16:48:07 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I still could use a maintainer to take a look at nethack and see if it's > font setup just needs the Requires(post) and add it if it does. I got Proven Packager help for this on the devel list and an update is in Koji and should be in tonight's rawhide. From hdegoede at redhat.com Thu Feb 19 09:42:06 2009 From: hdegoede at redhat.com (Hans de Goede) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:42:06 +0100 Subject: Games spin status In-Reply-To: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> References: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> Message-ID: <499D296E.4040606@redhat.com> Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The spin will definitately be limited to 4 GiB. > > I am testing removing Wine in order to keep the x86_64 spin about the same > size. (Wine pulls in a bunch of 386 libs.) > > I was also planning on removing wget since being based on the desktop > kickstart I'll just take whatever it pulls in. > > I was going to drop dosbox as we are trying to show off Fedora's games, > not being able to run emulators for mostly propietary stuff. > > I need to keep an eye on space still as the spin is very close to the size > limit and changes in packages could end up putting the spin over. > > I haven't finished get the newer spin page done yet. The general stuff is > there, but I need to include a game list which will be a bit of typing. > I want to get this done this week so that the spin wrangler will have plenty > of time to review before the next Spin SIG meeting. > Sounds good, keep up the good work! Regards, Hans From jlc at dalelands.org Fri Feb 20 05:14:14 2009 From: jlc at dalelands.org (Jay Coleman) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:14:14 -0600 Subject: Games spin status In-Reply-To: <20090217233430.GA20481@wolff.to> References: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> <1234912113.23136.67.camel@ignacio.lan> <20090217233430.GA20481@wolff.to> Message-ID: <499E3C26.10305@dalelands.org> If this is the 11a spin listed on the fedora spins site, then I'm pulling it now, and will be seeding at 1Mb/s when it is finished. If that isn't the right one, can someone direct me? Jay Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 18:08:33 -0500, > Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > >> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 16:48 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> >>> I haven't gotten any feedback from the Alpha Spin. I have noticed some people >>> grabbing a copy as I have been trying to help seed. So I think a few people >>> are using it. >>> >> The torrent performance has been awful because leechers haven't been >> sticking around to seed for the most part. I just managed to finish >> downloading it today. >> > > Most of the time I am seeding it and I can put out data at around 400KB/s. > >From checking the status, either people can't download that fast or there > were other people also seeding at good rates. Only a few times have I seen > people grabbing data at more than 100 KB/s. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-games-list mailing list > Fedora-games-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list > From bruno at wolff.to Fri Feb 20 05:59:49 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:59:49 -0600 Subject: Games spin status In-Reply-To: <499E3C26.10305@dalelands.org> References: <20090217224807.GA8967@wolff.to> <1234912113.23136.67.camel@ignacio.lan> <20090217233430.GA20481@wolff.to> <499E3C26.10305@dalelands.org> Message-ID: <20090220055949.GA32754@wolff.to> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 23:14:14 -0600, Jay Coleman wrote: > > If this is the 11a spin listed on the fedora spins site, then I'm > pulling it now, and will be seeding at 1Mb/s when it is finished. > > If that isn't the right one, can someone direct me? The games spin torrent file is at: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/torrents//Fedora-11-Alpha-i686-Live-Games.torrent If that's the one you got, then that's the games spin. If you pulled some other spin it still may have some games on it that you can test. From bruno at wolff.to Sun Feb 22 05:39:11 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:39:11 -0600 Subject: Games Spin update Message-ID: <20090222053911.GA10951@wolff.to> I think ks file is in its final form pending new problems. My experiment in removing evolution and ligweather failed. They have too much desktop stuff dependent on them to pull out. I made a couple of corrections for packages that had been obsoleted. poker2d-kde was obsoleted by poker2d which was already in the spin. ksirk was obsoleted by kdegames which was not included, but was getting pulled in. I did not really want all of kdegames, so ksirk has been dropped. I also dropped bsd-games which pulled in a bunch of text based games, which really isn't the focus of the spin. Rogue and nethack (probably the best text based games) are still in and can be started from the games menu. I have a reasonable Games Spin page now and have moved it to Spin Ready For Wrangler, to get it looked at before going before the Spins SIG. Current breathing room is 90 MB for i686 and 80 MB for x86_64. From wart at kobold.org Tue Feb 24 19:46:53 2009 From: wart at kobold.org (Michael Thomas) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:46:53 -0800 Subject: Games Spin update In-Reply-To: <20090222053911.GA10951@wolff.to> References: <20090222053911.GA10951@wolff.to> Message-ID: <49A44EAD.7030709@kobold.org> Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I think ks file is in its final form pending new problems. > > My experiment in removing evolution and ligweather failed. They have too > much desktop stuff dependent on them to pull out. > > I made a couple of corrections for packages that had been obsoleted. > poker2d-kde was obsoleted by poker2d which was already in the spin. > ksirk was obsoleted by kdegames which was not included, but was getting > pulled in. I did not really want all of kdegames, so ksirk has been dropped. > > I also dropped bsd-games which pulled in a bunch of text based games, which > really isn't the focus of the spin. Rogue and nethack (probably the best > text based games) are still in and can be started from the games menu. I think this is unfortunate, especially considering that there still appears to be enough room to include bsd-games. > I have a reasonable Games Spin page now and have moved it to Spin Ready > For Wrangler, to get it looked at before going before the Spins SIG. > > Current breathing room is 90 MB for i686 and 80 MB for x86_64. --Mike From bruno at wolff.to Tue Feb 24 22:08:34 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:08:34 -0600 Subject: Games Spin update In-Reply-To: <49A44EAD.7030709@kobold.org> References: <20090222053911.GA10951@wolff.to> <49A44EAD.7030709@kobold.org> Message-ID: <20090224220834.GA8529@wolff.to> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:46:53 -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > I also dropped bsd-games which pulled in a bunch of text based games, which > > really isn't the focus of the spin. Rogue and nethack (probably the best > > text based games) are still in and can be started from the games menu. > > I think this is unfortunate, especially considering that there still > appears to be enough room to include bsd-games. I don't think bsd-games fits the purpose of the spin. They aren't going to be that easy to find and not really very impressive. While some old timers might want to play them, those aren't the people we are targetting. Old timers are more likely to be running Fedora and be able to install whichever games they want. The target for this spin is people who aren't already running Fedora. What we don't want to happen is have people semi-randomly pick games to try, find a couple of duds and give up on linux based games. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 24 22:25:46 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:55:46 +0530 Subject: Games Spin update In-Reply-To: <20090224220834.GA8529@wolff.to> References: <20090222053911.GA10951@wolff.to> <49A44EAD.7030709@kobold.org> <20090224220834.GA8529@wolff.to> Message-ID: <49A473EA.2090703@fedoraproject.org> Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > The target for this spin is people who aren't already running Fedora. > What we don't want to happen is have people semi-randomly pick games to try, > find a couple of duds and give up on linux based games. You might want to define this target somewhere prominently. In the past, it has merely been a loose collection of games without any real debate about the audience. Rahul From bruno at wolff.to Tue Feb 24 23:00:52 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:00:52 -0600 Subject: Games Spin update In-Reply-To: <49A473EA.2090703@fedoraproject.org> References: <20090222053911.GA10951@wolff.to> <49A44EAD.7030709@kobold.org> <20090224220834.GA8529@wolff.to> <49A473EA.2090703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090224230052.GA21525@wolff.to> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 03:55:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> >> The target for this spin is people who aren't already running Fedora. >> What we don't want to happen is have people semi-randomly pick games to try, >> find a couple of duds and give up on linux based games. > > You might want to define this target somewhere prominently. In the past, > it has merely been a loose collection of games without any real debate > about the audience. A required part of the spin page was the benefit to Fedora. I am currently using the following text there: I think a games spin is more likely to get people to try it out than most other spins. As such it makes it a nice candidate for being handed out at events focusing on introducing people to Fedora. While the games are not going to be impressive for hard core gamers, there is a nice variety that is likely to have something of interest for most people. A liveusb based on the spin could be even better as that allows people to play their games on other people's computers while keeping their saved games and high score lists with them. I really think just making a spin with a loose collection of games is kind of pointless. It would be better to just make sure that all games were tagged as being in Amusements/Games so that people can get a list of them and install them or make thier own spin (which is pretty easy these days). I think for a spin to be prominently featured by Fedora it really should have a purpose. Certainly other people are free to take things in another direction for F12 if they want. I just kind of got sucked into this by asking questions about some breakage when trying to build the spin. All that's been fixed now and I am way past what I needed in order to make spins to hand out to friends and family.