<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.24.5"> </HEAD> <BODY><div> This is useful! Thank you. William </div> <div><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: Ray Ward <rayfward@sky.com> To: Miguel Angel Perez <mangelp@gmail.com> Cc: William Henry <whenry@redhat.com>; fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com <fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com> Sent: Fri Jun 05 18:42:11 2009 Subject: Re: F10 on Lenovo T61 issue </div> You seem to be little short on recommendations since you posted however individual recommendations are difficult to make. A sort of works list might be better. Generally Toshiba is a good start. I have tried Linux Toshiba's and they generally work out of the box. Fujitsu works as well and they host a user group that answers questions on Linux. I my self have a li2727 that works well the only problem I had was turning on the wifi adapter. The general rule is the closer you get to the bleeding edge the less likely it is to work with Linux. The upside the dusty today's special might easily out perform the bosses super duper Vista machine (know this to be true my boss has fat Fujitsu and it's goes like a gazelle on Diazepam) Good luck with your search Any further questions you know where to ask. Regards Ray On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 19:32 +0200, Miguel Angel Perez wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Hi William, Glad to know that things are finally working ^^, maybe when F11 gets out you could try it and see if it gives you some better support for compiz than F10. At least the kernel will be newer and then the hw support should be better too. When thinking to purchase a new laptop a good place to start is : <A HREF="http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html">http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html</A> Then select the brand you will trust your money to and look at the latest supported models. Once you have selected a laptop take some days to google around looking for incompatibilities with linux or for unhappy owners of that model. You can also post the details here, with some look you will find someone that knows something about it :) </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> 2009/6/4 William Henry <<A HREF="mailto:whenry@redhat.com">whenry@redhat.com</A>> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Hi Miguel, Just thought I'd give you an update. I've been running Fedora 10 for several weeks now with few problems. I think the biggest issue was the video card in the lenovo and I will make sure that I look into video the next time I purchase a laptop. When I disable compiz many of the issues go away. It would be nice to have some of the compiz features but under the current hardware it seems T61/Fedora 10 with compiz is not an option. (I just see memory creep and CPU utilization crawl upwards to where it's not usable and then crashes.) But I'm now using F10 on my T61 in a fairly stable way for several weeks. If anyone can give me a recommendation for a good laptop spec. for my next purchase please let me know. Thanks. Best, William </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <<A HREF="mailto:mangelp@gmail.com">mangelp@gmail.com</A>> wrote: > > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > 2009/3/1 William Henry <<A HREF="mailto:whenry@redhat.com">whenry@redhat.com</A>> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > > ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <<A HREF="mailto:mangelp@gmail.com">mangelp@gmail.com</A>> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > > 2009/2/27 William Henry <<A HREF="mailto:whenry@redhat.com">whenry@redhat.com</A>> > > <BLOCKQUOTE> Hi, > > > > I've seen others have this problem and I've seen a BZ regarding it. Its the "mouse still moves but can't do anything with the keyboard or mouse input' problem. Requires a hardware reboot. > > > > I've given up on Fedora for a while until I see this fixed. I don't have time for multiple reboots a day and the risk of losing data. > > > > I've also seen issues with NetworkManager. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > > > Make sure there are bug reports filled. > > > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> WH: I've seen this bug already reported. > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > <BLOCKQUOTE> > > > > I'm sadly disappointed with F10. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > > > I'm sorry you are dissapointed with Fedora and sad because your propietary stuff doesn't work on it. Fedora as a distro doesn't have nothing to do with such complains as they happen due a lack of proper driver implementation as some companies still refuses to support linux or because a software component is not working properly. In both cases Fedora doesn't directly develop the drivers or the components that doesn't work and you should get your complain to the upstream projects so they can fix it sometime or fill a bug report to Fedora so they can report upstream and apply patches as the come in. > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> WH: Huh? proprietary stuff?? No idea what you are talking about unless you mean the hardware. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > Yes i was talking about the hardware. Having proper support for all brand new hw is quite difficult if the hw vendor doesn't support linux. > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > > > > > If you feel that other modern distros works better where Fedora fails you should check them but we all use the same linux kernel and same X.org so lack of hardware support is a common pain. > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> WH: I'm running RHEL which is more stable. But I like to do other work on Fedora and was hoping Fedora 10 was more stable. I realize there are a lot of different hardware platforms out there and it is difficult to support. I'm a bit surpprised because there are so many Lenova T6x around I thought that it would have been tested more and there more stable. > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > I don't know how many hardware platforms they have to test new releases but i'm pretty sure that the real testing is done when a new release comes out and we upgrade Fedora to the next version. A lot of things can happen then. > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > TBW this seemed to get worse the last few weeks so I wonder if some of my updates made the issue much more frequent. > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > They must be fighting the bugs :), but still is too soon to have them fixed. I've run in a lot of problems with NetworkManager with F9 and F10 that only got solved after the hw driver got properly fixed (intel wifi driver). > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > Best, > William > > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > <BLOCKQUOTE> > > > > Regards, > > William > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-laptop-list mailing list > > <A HREF="mailto:Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com">Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com</A> > > <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list">http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list</A> > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Miguel Ángel Pérez > > > > _______________________________________________ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list <A HREF="mailto:Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com">Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list">http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> > > -- > Regards, > Miguel Ángel Pérez > </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> -- Best Regards, Miguel Ángel Pérez <PRE> _______________________________________________ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list <A HREF="mailto:Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com">Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list">http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list</A> </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> <IMG SRC="cid:1244239765.4387.0.camel@localhost.localdomain" ALIGN="bottom" BORDER="0">Ray F Ward. <HR NOSHADE SIZE="4"> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BODY> </HTML>