<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> James Wilkinson wrote: <blockquote cite="mid20041207233204.GA3073@howells.westexe.demon.co.uk" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">MJang wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">This sort of begs the question - of the people who use text email readers, how many are older, more experienced Linux users? (in other words, if the rest of us bent a bit to accommodate them, perhaps they would be more motivated to provide better answers). It sounds like at least a few are stuck with text email readers on their systems. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Well, I've got Maildir folders, so this sort of question isn't too difficult to answer. The November statistics showed versions of Mutt and Pine being used: these were the only text-mode mailers in the top 25. ls | xargs egrep '^From: .*@redhat\.com' | grep -v fedora-list-bounces | wc -l gives 119 messages. ls | xargs egrep '^From: .*@redhat\.com' | grep -v fedora-list-bounces | cut -d: -f1-2 | xargs grep 'User-Agent: Mutt' | wc -l gives 74 messages. So about three-fifths of responses from Red Hat employees are sent using Mutt.</pre> </blockquote> I am generally a fairly libertarian type of guy, so I figured that maybe, just maybe, with a bunch of computer *scientists* and hackers, that real live numbers might be worth keeping in mind, just to keep a reality check on the "discussion". I received over 116 messages on this list since I went to bed last night. You are reporting that, in the entire month of November, Red Hat employees total number of responses was *119*, with a grand total of *74* coming from text only mailers. So, if we project out over the month of November, that is roughly 200 messages a day * 30 days .... That would be 74 messages out of 6,000. In other words 1%. For the sake of debate, let's assume that every response from a Red Hat employee is worth 10 times that of every other responder on the list. Wow, that gets us all the way up to 10%. How about other perspective. Bandwidth and disk space. Let's see. The entire archive for November was 14 MBytes. Let's assume half of that was due to HTML messages. 7 MBytes / month. Oh my goodness! That is almost as much 1/3 of the Swedish i18n of KDE. Geez, this suggests that one person, updating once a month, consumes 10 times more bandwidth and disk space then this entire mailing list combined. <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- A. Rick Anderson </pre> </body> </html>