<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.10.1"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 17:54 +1000, Steffen Kluge wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:21 +0930, Tim wrote: > neither *do* all applications have right-click copy > and paste options, and neither does highlight and middle-click pasting > work in *all* applications. It is obviously up to the application developers to decide which key bindings they want to support in which context. It is up to the desktop style guides to define what should work. The Gnome apps I'm using behave as expected, and support both clipboards. In some cases, alternative keyboard shortcuts must be used (like SHIFT-^C), e.g. in a terminal window running a shell - for obvious reasons. </BLOCKQUOTE> Well, there you go. With better standards that are recognized and honored, a developer won't be in the position of power and authority to 'decide' which keybindings they use. It would be a standard, with no deviations. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> > You *have* to do combinations, some of > which have really annoying effects. What combinations? You use one or the other, even simultaneously, but not in combination (like gcalctool does). Keeping that in mind, copy&paste works very well on all my boxes, even across vmware, vnc or citrix sessions. </BLOCKQUOTE> Obviously your experiece says one thing and Tim has experienced something different. This is allowed and considered 'normal' in the course of human events. :) <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> As for the insults, I suppose I overreacted a bit, and apologise for that. I just had to vent some frustration that's been building up for a while. I'm getting increasingly annoyed with a trend I'm seeing in this forum. Where are the times when people described their problems with adequate detail and asked for help? </BLOCKQUOTE> "Failure of others to meet our expectations" <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Nowadays, throwing tantrums and stomping feet seems more fashionable. This being a very friendly forum people get away with that. In other places (such as misc@openbsd) they would have been larted so badly that they wouldn't dare asking another question for 6 months... </BLOCKQUOTE> Well, Gee! That would take care of the problem! <smirk> Lot's of aggression there, from a pack of (label removed) letter-bomb writers who wouldn't dare make the confrontation up close and personal. There's no 'getting away with' anything here, according to my perspectives. We have developers and we have users. All with varying degrees of savvy. Look at jdow's stats... you think one of those openbsd folks are going to tangle with her? Yet, she aired her complaint. Would you go as far as to say that she was throwing a tantrum and stomping feet? I'd bet you wouldn't. She's paid more dues than -anyone- on this list, and then some. Airing problems is considered "properly assertive" and "compromise' is the goal. So is "teamwork", which is hard as hell to arrive at when many coder-heads lack empathy and social skills. Linus calls ithe experience "herding cats". <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> "Cut, Copy, Paste Nightmare"? Give me a break! </BLOCKQUOTE> And, as has been posted, it -is- a nightmare for some, including the likes of jdow, Tim, myself and others. As I posted previously, it was a nightmare in the hallowed halls of RedHat with the CRM system the entire operation depended on... for customer support, development, sales / marketing and administration. The entire Research Triangle Park group, here in North Carolina, was running a work-around, as I detailed, just to cut & paste between CRM and other applications, with all of the brainpower at their disposal. Please accept my perspective from my experience. I was there in 1999-2000 and that was a large problem then. Maybe Rahul will clarify if the problem is fixed in 2006. If not, then wouldn't it be a good thing for people to air their complaints just a little louder, to get heard? And, quite possibly, someone with the power and authority to set a standard into stone, for all applications, will set resolution to this problem into motion. That is a goal wished for by many user members of the linux community, and reasonable assertive goals are considered good, within a "polite society". The antithesis of this is naked aggression; no compromise, no teamwork, "my way or the highway", objectification, and a pile of other "elements of criminal behavior". From what I gathered from your post, the BSD crowd has "Offenders" that abuse others. I got something for them. <cackles> Ric <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> <TT>A: Because it's annoying to read.</TT> <TT>Q: Why is top-posting bad?</TT> <TT>A: Top posting.</TT> <TT>Q: What's the most annoying thing about usenet?</TT> <A HREF="http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar">http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar</A> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BODY> </HTML>