The linux kernel changes rapidly, but that doesn't mean you have to stick with the bleeding edge. A company could probably stick with a 2.6.18 kernel for a year before switching to a newer version. It's not like they need the functionality of the latest kernel. By the way, yeah ATi drivers are broken but Nvidia drivers aren't that bad. I'm use my Nvidia driver for Beryl and games, and I really don't see where it's broken. Nvidia drivers are fairly stable. <div>On 3/15/07, Hikaru Amano <<a href="mailto:kagesenshi.87@gmail.com">kagesenshi.87@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 3/16/07, Les Mikesell <<a href="mailto:lesmikesell@gmail.com">lesmikesell@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > Please explain then. Keep in mind that I have windows machines that > haven't crashed in years with hardware that Linux doesn't support and > Macs with 3rd party drivers that are equally stable so I won't believe > it if you say that can't happen. the linux kernel changes rapidly ... closed source kernel modules provided by companies hard to keep up with the changes - fixing the kernel module due to the kernel change equates to cost , and something related to cost, the manufacturers wont do it fast or maybe they'll stop it altogether because they couldnt keep up with it .. as for Macs, their hardwares are selected to be compatible with the OS in the first place, thats why Linux need to have OEM support, so that we can get machines with hardwares tuned for Linux .. yes we can make the kernel and programs be backward compatible for old drivers (like what microsoft doing) .. but that will result in the kernel being bloated day-to-day (like what you see in windows, ridiculously large) closed source drivers "taints the kernel" because after you install it, foss developers cant fix it - why? - because its closed source of course, yay~. The message is only for developers to identify which kernel problem they won't need to waste their time trying to debug it... and to the user side, its just a bunch of annoying message ... (perhaps a kernel parameter to silence this??) openly accepting closed source kernel modules will bring more problems if lots of manufacturer made closed sourced drivers - the kernel become harder to fix and/or improve - even now, sometimes when the kernel changes , Nvidia & ATi drivers breaks ... 2 broken and unfixable drivers are more than enough .. Linux doesnt need more ... my 2c -- ----------------------------------------------- regards Hikaru ----------------------------------------------- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru $BE7Ln98(B $B!V$"$^$N(B $B$R$+$k!W(B Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS ICT 2nd Year 1st Semester <a href="mailto:mohd.izhar.firdaus@gmail.com"> mohd.izhar.firdaus@gmail.com</a> ----------------------------------------------- <a href="mailto:kagesenshi.87@gmail.com">kagesenshi.87@gmail.com</a> Blog: <a href="http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com">http://kagesenshi.blogspot.com </a> ----------------------------------------------- -- fedora-list mailing list <a href="mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com">fedora-list@redhat.com</a> To unsubscribe: <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list"> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list</a> </blockquote></div>