<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 19, 2007 5:19 PM, Craig White <<a href="mailto:craig@tobyhouse.com">craig@tobyhouse.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 15:10 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote: > Alastair Neil wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Alastair Neil <<a href="mailto:ajneil@gmail.com">ajneil@gmail.com </a>> wrote: > > > > > >> On Nov 13, 2007 6:38 PM, Craig White <<a href="mailto:craig@tobyhouse.com">craig@tobyhouse.com</a>> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:40 -0500, Alastair Neil wrote: > >>> > >>>> I have a Dell Optiplex 320 with a Pentium dual Dual Core CPU ( 2160). > >>>> I am trying to boot off of a usb thumb drive with the disk images from > >>>> > >>>> the respective full DVD.isos. > >>>> > >>>> Both fail to get past probing the serial ports on boot. The i386 > >>>> thumb drive has been used successfully to install a Dell 270. > >>>> Currently both hyperthreading and speedstep are enabled. I have tried > >>>> > >>>> a few kernel parameters, such as pci=nomsi, acpi=off and noacpi to no > >>>> avail. > >>>> > >>>> Has anyone succeeded in installing F8 on this hardware? > >>>> > >>> ---- > >>> my fault, I have a number of bugzilla items in on this... > >>> > >>> <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715</a> > >>> > >>> <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201" target="_blank"> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201</a> > >>> > >>> you'll note that on the last one, I did figure out that appending > >>> > >>> pci=noacpi timesource=acpi_pm > >>> > >>> kernel parameters will allow you to install/boot > >>> > >>> but I have never gotten grub to boot on these things and nothing has > >>> changed there, thus I continue to use lilo to get these things to boot > >>> which means that each kernel update requires a manual run of lilo. > >>> > >>> I'm hoping that we get these things all worked out as I am working > >>> doggedly with the kernel developers on this > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >> Craig, > >> > >> thanks for the tips adding pci=noapci and clocksource=acpi_pm indeed > >> allowed me to start the install. I have added myself as a CC on the bugs > >> you mentioned so, I'll keep my fingers crossed. A complication on my part > >> is that these are to be dual boot systems. I havn't used lilo in years so > >> I'm going to have to brush up on my dual boot lilo configuration. > >> > >> Thanks again, Alastair > > An update for those following at home: > > > > I have managed to get these systems to boot using grub2, of course I have > > had to disable kernel updates in the yum.conf. > > > > As a side note I was absolutely dismayed by the state of grub development. > > The last release of grub2 was at the beginning of 2006. It seems to be > > completely stagnant. This certainly raises the question whither Fedora? > > > > > I wonder what grub 2 might be. I had a lot of trouble with the grub > I have on F7 but it was all my lack of understanding how grub works and > now it works fine. Could you have the same problem? ---- </div></div>Karl, please refrain from entering this thread. It has nothing to do with you, nothing to do with anything you own, have ever done, will ever do and it is so highly unlikely that you will contribute anything constructive to it, that you need to ignore this thread completely... Thank you I don't know anything about grub2 but obviously GPL and similar license permits forking at will but of course, projects that aren't actively maintained aren't going to make it into mainstream distribution. That said, I'm not sure what grub2 offers that lilo doesn't offer...lilo works too. </blockquote><div> I picked gub2 over lilo because my lilo skills are about 7 years out of date and I hoped, futilely as it turned out, that I could use grub2 as a drop in replacement for grub. It appears that the current version, which is actually just a little over a year old - not the nearly 2 years I originally said, is far from feature complete in terms of compatibility with grub. So I guess if you are happy with lilo there is no compelling reason to switch. I checked the mailing lists for the grub2 project and there is activity, however I remain concerned that they have gone from a dot release every few months to nothing for over a year. I 'm guessing they must be making a major design overhaul. Alastair </div></div>