+1 <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:50 PM, mike cloaked <<a href="mailto:mike.cloaked@gmail.com">mike.cloaked@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Since posting via gmane seems not to have propagated through to the main list I am sending this separately: Anne Wilson <cannewilson <at> <a href="http://googlemail.com" target="_blank">googlemail.com</a>> writes: > Maybe they can't. Some problems can't be fixed until we get 4.1. On the > whole, though, I agree with you. It took a little getting used to, but I do > like it. I'll put up with its shortcomings while it is 4.0. 4.1 is only a > few weeks away. This has been one of those threads that last and last - and it seems to me that occasionally frustration with an issue builds up and eventually we get these everlasting complaints sessions. I think everyone would probably agree that KDE4 is not perfect at present but I feel we should accept the real experts' view that underlying this new desktop is a concept that will eventually not just supercede the old KDE (3.5) but will eventually yield a lovely desktop that we will get to love when it is polished and optimised - but it will take a little time. If you have ever done any programming yourself you will know that getting optimised bug free code first time round almost never happens barring a miracle - so let's give the devs a break and allow them a bit of time without too much heckling! A little praise might no go amiss at times either! I accept that a calculated risk was taken in including KDE as 4.0.3 in F9 but I also accept their judgement and we may well be seeing strong praise rather than condemnation in F10's lifetime when we reach 4.1+ or 4.2. As has been said a number of times - you can always stay with F8 for the moment until KDE4 has 4.1 out the door and that will be in a month or so. That will still be some months before F10 release by which time KDE4 should hopefully be a really nice desktop. I am filing bugs in BZ when I find issues and all of us who are using KDE4 should contribute to its development by doing this. Certainly I have found that the few people who get changes implemented are generally very responsive and do a great job in either amending things for Fedora or represent Fedora interests upstream. Most of the complainers do not directly fix things - so we all perhaps need a little patience and do our bit to help rather than simply grumble. My 2pennyworth... -- mike -- fedora-list mailing list <a href="mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com">fedora-list@redhat.com</a> To unsubscribe: <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list</a> </blockquote></div> -- Regards, Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Registered Linux User# 441709.