<html>  <head></head> <body>  <DIV></DIV> <DIV>You right as far as knowledge to an extent depending on the level or should I say platform you speak. I have been in the business for 30 years. I've worked on Honeywell, IBM, NAS, and others. I am speaking of mainframe. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for this platform, I've played and toyed with them off/on at various levels. At the point I am at, I have other things that also occupy my time. I have to pick and choose at to what level I want to spend my spare time. As I have other hobbies including amateur radio, boating, spending time with my wife and traveling. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had explored Linux sometime ago - about 10+ with Mandrake. A few years ago, I had a order a new upgrade to a Linux product which included other distros (Fedora). About the same time, Mandrake was becoming unsettled and I dropped my interest in the product. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then, about 3 years ago, when that other operating system, started making more and more expensive and painful to keep up, I took up Linux again by dusting off Fedora. I had run Fedora 7 for about a year with little issue and noticed that I had fallen behind with the upgrades. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I took on the process to catch up just before the weekend. First with Fedora 8. I worked through the install issue with the install hanging during the resolving of the dependencies. I applied a number of updates and decided to attempt to move to Fedora 9. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The install went a bit smoother then Fedora 8. But it was getting late and there were 906 packages to install. I went to bed before it finished. I woke to find that all seemed in order.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First thing I ran into after the install was that Xen hung (I think I mentioned prior that I put Xen on to see how it functioned but found that Fedora never really got it running). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I bypassed Xen during startup by hiting any other key and bringing me to the Grub load options, I noticed that the other options were for prior installs of Fedora 8. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was at this point I ran into the problems you and others have been helping me with. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Through your suggestions, I used the recovery to run yum and get the upgrades. Once I applied enough of the upgrades (there were over 200 the first and 590+ the second), I was able to at least get into Gnome and bring up a terminal session (2) to finish. This helped because I could list the upgrades in on terminal and use the second to apply. If I would run into a problem, I would bypass that package and come back to it later.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To date, the only packages I have not applied updates to are the for the Network Manager. That is because it has a conflict with a module previously loaded. It is of a more current release then the one the package is attempting to load.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been rambling. Thank you for the insight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At this point I have identified all the files that I will need to back up with the exception of the Evolution folders where my calendar, email messages, memos, and tasks are. I am sure I will find them and include them in my back up plans before reloading Fedora.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It sounds that you have been involved with Linux to quite an extent. How stable is 10 to date? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should I give it some consideration or wait a bit longer?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>: -------------- <BR><BR><BR>> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 21:44 +0000, vohnmaxwell@bellsouth.net wrote: <BR>> > <BR>> > Seeing that there seems to be a consensus building that I have an <BR>> > installation issue, the prudent course of action would be to back up <BR>> > my files - pictures, documents etc. and reload with a clean Fedora 9 <BR>> > package. <BR>> > <BR>> > Would you concur? <BR>> ---- <BR>> I would concur with the caveat being that would the quickest, easiest <BR>> and most effective way to solve the problem. <BR>> <BR>> It also would be the least instructive because upon doing so, you would <BR>> never know what it was that went wrong...i.e., was it something that you <BR>> did (probably), was it something wrong with the way you updated/upgraded <BR>> (possibly), was it something with an anaconda or 'preupgrade' or yum <BR>> type upgrade (maybe). <BR>> <BR>> When I started using Red Hat Linux (like RHL 5.0), I had to break it a <BR>> number of times, reinstall and continually evaluate to push my knowledge <BR>> and I can appreciate that most people don't have that same level of <BR>> interest. You have to really want to understand it to figure out that it <BR>> all makes sense and it all is eminently fixable and a wipe/reinstall <BR>> shouldn't really be necessary (beyond just to save time). <BR>> <BR>> Judging by your previous e-mails you seem to possess some computer <BR>> skills and some intellectual curiosity but you seemed to just gloss over <BR>> questions that I had asked which might have enabled me to help out at <BR>> which point, I sort of lost interest. <BR>> <BR>> Something to consider...this list is all volunteer and people have <BR>> varying levels of skills and you may get requests for more info or <BR>> suggestions from varying individuals with varying amounts of usefulness <BR>> and eventually you either sort them out and plug into those who can help <BR>> out or you simply get buried in the high volume of traffic. <BR>> <BR>> Craig <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> fedora-list mailing list <BR>> fedora-list@redhat.com <BR>> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list <BR>> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines </BLOCKQUOTE>  </body> </html>