Let me start off by saying, it doesn't appear that the problem is with the wireless directly, but rather the negotiation when trying to connect. Once I get connected everything works fine. I seemed to have the best success with the kernel that shipped with F9, however, it wasn't even 100%, but more than 3 kernel updates later, things have only gotten worse. It usually take 6-14 tries to get a successful connection. Some background info: HP 8510w laptop with Intel 4965 wireless D-link wireless G router WPA2 security/passphrase I would suspect the wireless router except it works fine with this laptop in XP and my wife's laptop (broadcom w/ native driver+firmware) in both XP and F9 every time. I've watched /var/log/messages during the attempts but I don't know what all it is telling me, if anything useful. Below are two excerpts one unsuccessful and the other successful: Unsuccessful: --- Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started... Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): device state change: 6 -> 4 Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled... Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete. Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting... Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): device state change: 4 -> 5 Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0/wireless): connection 'Auto Home' has security, and secrets exist. No new secrets needed. Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'ssid' value 'Home' Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'scan_ssid' value '1' Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'key_mgmt' value 'WPA-PSK' Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'psk' value '<omitted>' Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'proto' value 'WPA RSN' Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'pairwise' value 'TKIP CCMP' Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'group' value 'WEP40 WEP104 TKIP CCMP' Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: set interface ap_scan to 1 Nov 10 20:31:22 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 Nov 10 20:31:28 laptop kernel: Machine check events logged Nov 10 20:31:29 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 Nov 10 20:31:29 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 4 Nov 10 20:31:30 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 4 -> 5 Nov 10 20:31:38 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 5 -> 0 Nov 10 20:31:38 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 Nov 10 20:31:40 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 0 Nov 10 20:31:40 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 Nov 10 20:31:47 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0/wireless): association took too long. Nov 10 20:31:47 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): device state change: 5 -> 6 Nov 10 20:31:47 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0/wireless): asking for new secrets Nov 10 20:31:47 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 0 --- Successful: --- Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started... Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): device state change: 6 -> 4 Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled... Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete. Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting... Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): device state change: 4 -> 5 Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0/wireless): connection 'Auto Home' has security, and secrets exist. No new secrets needed. Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'ssid' value 'Home' Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'scan_ssid' value '1' Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'key_mgmt' value 'WPA-PSK' Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'psk' value '<omitted>' Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'proto' value 'WPA RSN' Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'pairwise' value 'TKIP CCMP' Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: added 'group' value 'WEP40 WEP104 TKIP CCMP' Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Config: set interface ap_scan to 1 Nov 10 20:31:50 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 Nov 10 20:31:54 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 Nov 10 20:31:54 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 4 Nov 10 20:31:55 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 4 -> 5 Nov 10 20:32:03 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 5 -> 0 Nov 10 20:32:03 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 Nov 10 20:32:05 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 0 Nov 10 20:32:05 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 Nov 10 20:32:12 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 Nov 10 20:32:12 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0 Nov 10 20:32:13 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 4 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 4 -> 5 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 5 -> 6 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 6 -> 7 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0/wireless) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) successful. Connected to wireless network 'Home'. Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) scheduled. Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) started... Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): device state change: 5 -> 7 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Beginning DHCP transaction. Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> dhclient started with pid 3673 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) complete. Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.0.0 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: Copyright 2004-2007 Internet Systems Consortium. Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: All rights reserved. Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: For info, please visit <a href="http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/">http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/</a> Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop NetworkManager: <info> DHCP: device wlan0 state changed (null) -> preinit Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:1f:3b:86:23:a7 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:1f:3b:86:23:a7 Nov 10 20:32:14 laptop dhclient: Sending on Socket/fallback Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to <a href="http://255.255.255.255">255.255.255.255</a> port 67 interval 6 Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop dhclient: DHCPOFFER from <a href="http://192.168.0.1">192.168.0.1</a> Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to <a href="http://255.255.255.255">255.255.255.255</a> port 67 Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop dhclient: DHCPACK from <a href="http://192.168.0.1">192.168.0.1</a> Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop dhclient: bound to <a href="http://192.168.0.11">192.168.0.11</a> -- renewal in 107627 seconds. Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> DHCP: device wlan0 state changed preinit -> bound Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) scheduled... Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) started... Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> address <a href="http://192.168.0.11">192.168.0.11</a> Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> prefix 24 (<a href="http://255.255.255.0">255.255.255.0</a>) Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> gateway <a href="http://192.168.0.1">192.168.0.1</a> Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> nameserver '<a href="http://205.152.37.23">205.152.37.23</a>' Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> nameserver '<a href="http://205.152.132.23">205.152.132.23</a>' Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> domain name '<a href="http://launchmodem.com">launchmodem.com</a>' Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) scheduled... Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) complete. Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) started... Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop avahi-daemon[2727]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface wlan0.IPv4 with address <a href="http://192.168.0.11">192.168.0.11</a>. Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop avahi-daemon[2727]: New relevant interface wlan0.IPv4 for mDNS. Nov 10 20:32:16 laptop avahi-daemon[2727]: Registering new address record for <a href="http://192.168.0.11">192.168.0.11</a> on wlan0.IPv4. Nov 10 20:32:17 laptop NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0): device state change: 7 -> 8 Nov 10 20:32:17 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Policy set (wlan0) as default device for routing and DNS. Nov 10 20:32:17 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) successful, device activated. Nov 10 20:32:17 laptop NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) complete. --- This time it took about 8 tries... Anyone else have this problem or suggestions for a fix? Thanks, Richard