<div> Dear *, Well, I know that I am not often on the mailing list but can I permit to give you my point of view ? In addition, I have red this post quite quickly so excuse me in advance if I missed some points. So, at first sight I would be more in accordance with what Alex said. I do not see any reason why we would need a mascot even if there is a lot of good reasons to create one and that the community want to create one - I respect that -. Ok, Linux has TUX and BSD has Chuck but have they others kind of logo ??? I have already difficulties to explain to people what Fedora is since the split with Red Hat Enterprise Distribution. How many time did I hear people asking what is the difference between Red Hat and Fedora or again Fedo.. what? So if in addition I have to explain that Fedora has one logo and one mascot.... Well, I do not believe that my next event will be easy. You see what I mean. :) You know what ? Keep it simple as much as possible. That is my advice. Nonetheless I have to admit a nice mascot could be useful for children but at the opposite it would have - I think - a not so good effect on companies and professional world. How many times in the past do you hear that Linux was a toy for students ??? OK, it is not the case anymore now. Fortunately ! Probably due to its logo representation and obviously a lack of knowledge from professionals about what this OS could do. Even if I have others argument I have to conclude - sorry for that but I do not have lot of time -. So for me, I think Fedora should keep its logo and should not have another logo or mascot. However it could be interesting to give one mascot to the Children designed Fedora distribution. I mean Sugar the OLPC OS. Let's hope that you understand me, I was not so direct and I did not hurt someone cause I respect what have been done here. Thanks for your comprehension. BR Fred </div> <div> </div> <div>On 4/9/07, Máirín Duffy <<a href="mailto:duffy@redhat.com">duffy@redhat.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Alex Maier wrote: >> Judging from how successful these mascots have been and >> how often they've been used in so many events and places, >> I'd say that our community (too) would get benefited from a mascot. > > Just because others have them, doesn't mean we *need* one. What we > need, is--as Máirín correctly noted--a community version of our logo, > something anyone in the community can use and modify, for creation of > wallpapers or promotional web pages, for example. > > A parrot does not get us any closer to a sane logo licensing situation. I think it would, if the parrot was recognized as a symbol of Fedora and community members could use it freely. You can't really trademark or copyright an animal or creature anyway. Logos are commonly trademarked and use particular fonts and have to look a particular way to be recognizable, but there are many many variations of Tux that are all recognizable and easily associated with Linux: - <a href="http://streetpc.free.fr/img/Tux.png"> http://streetpc.free.fr/img/Tux.png</a> - <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Baby.tux-800x800.png/600px-Baby.tux-800x800.png">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Baby.tux-800x800.png/600px-Baby.tux-800x800.png </a> - <a href="http://www.arabx.com.au/tux/">http://www.arabx.com.au/tux/</a> Obviously it would be nice if the Fedora logo could safely be released under a more open license but I certainly would *not* hold my breath waiting on copyright/trademark laws to be improved to a point where this is possible anytime soon. I know a number of very smart people are working on this but changes in this kind of policy take a long time. >> If we do decide to go on with the mascot idea, the next logical step >> would be to >> announce a contest for mascot ideas in public (something like the >> OpenVideo >> contest [3]). I guess FAB should be notified before that. >> >> [3]: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenVideo">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenVideo</a> > > I ran this contest together with Max and Mike and a few others, and > the intention never was to create something reusable for generations > to come. The idea was to engage the creative community and to promote > open licenses and open media encoding formats. > > Design by committee is an oxymoron. Good taste has nothing to do with > majority vote. Majority vote will reflect majority taste, but again, > that's just me thinking out loud. How exactly is this design by committee? It's several folksworking together as a team; folks proposing ideas if they are not designers, and designers coming up with artwork based on the proposals they liked. I don't think there is anything inherently bad about designers working in a team (quite the contrary.) > /me goes to ponder why there is even a profession called "Designer" if > we can vote. I just don't understand this statement. I'm sorry. I don't see any esoteric 'voodoo' about design that makes it inherently a non-community activity (but I am truly sick of people saying it's so.) I agree that design by committee is bad but I also do not think this is design by committee. 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