From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Aug 1 18:32:44 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: References: <1154021466.11380.9.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 16:43 -0400, Dan Easley wrote: > On 7/27/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > > Now, here's my thoughts: this is a set of LADSPA plugins. It works > > strictly in conjunction with the package named "ladspa" - indeed, it is > > an extension to it. > > Therefore, I believe that the name of the plugins package should include > > the string "ladspa" somewhere. Examples: > > > > ladspa-swh-plugins > > > > Or perhaps even more logical: > > > > ladspa-plugins-swh > > for what it's worth, i agree completely. So, is there a consensus? What is it? I would go for: ladspa-plugins-NAME What if the name of the package already contains "plugins"? -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Aug 1 18:33:26 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:33:26 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] review request: freqtweak & sooperlooper Message-ID: <1154457206.14134.8.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Both Jack clients and very good solid realtime demos, specially FreqTweak. FreqTweak: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=200937 SooperLooper: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=200941 -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Aug 1 18:49:13 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:49:13 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] searching for audio packages? Message-ID: <1154458153.14134.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Is there a way to search in Fedora Extras to see which packages are, for example, in the Applications/Multimedia category? -- Fernando From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Aug 3 00:02:51 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1154021466.11380.9.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1154563371.17681.36.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 11:32 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > I would go for: ladspa-plugins-NAME Yes, I think that's better. > What if the name of the package already contains "plugins"? Then one could argue that the string "plugins" is simply moved to a different place. Arguably, ladspa-NAME could also be acceptable and it would nicely take care of the special case you mentioned. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Thu Aug 3 19:35:42 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <1154563371.17681.36.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1154021466.11380.9.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1154563371.17681.36.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 17:02 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 11:32 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > I would go for: ladspa-plugins-NAME > > Yes, I think that's better. > > > What if the name of the package already contains "plugins"? > > Then one could argue that the string "plugins" is simply moved to a > different place. > > Arguably, ladspa-NAME could also be acceptable and it would nicely take > care of the special case you mentioned. I'd like to push the existing Planet CCRMA plugin collections to extras so we should agree on naming before I get started (I'd prefer to switch names only once - I would have to include proper obsoletes/provides so that the extra packages have a clean upgrade path for current Planet CCRMA users)... I currently have (at Planet CCRMA): cmt -> ladspa-plugins-cmt mcp-plugins -> ladspa-plugins-mcp rev-plugins -> ladspa-plugins-rev vco-plugins -> ladspa-plugins-vco fil-plugins -> ladspa-plugins-fil amb-plugins -> ladspa-plugins-amb blop -> ladspa-plugins-blop tap-plugins -> laspa-plugins-tap caps -> ladspa-plugins-caps pvoc -> ladspa-plugins-pvoc (and swh which is already in extras) There are a lot of "original package names" that are already NAME-plugins, so maybe it would be better to go with the crowd and agree on: ladspa-NAME where NAME includes plugins or not depending on the original name. Or even better: ladspa-NAME-plugins where you add "plugins" if it is not already there. This last one does sound better to my ears. -- Fernando From green at redhat.com Thu Aug 3 19:44:06 2006 From: green at redhat.com (Anthony Green) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:44:06 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1154021466.11380.9.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1154563371.17681.36.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1154634246.2892.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 12:35 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > Or even better: > > ladspa-NAME-plugins > > where you add "plugins" if it is not already there. > This last one does sound better to my ears. This is my favorite as well. I'll rename Extra's swh-plugins package one there's agreement. Let's just go ahead with this plan unless anybody objects by, say, tomorrow. :-) AG From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Aug 3 19:44:13 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1154021466.11380.9.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1154563371.17681.36.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1154634253.25473.3.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 12:35 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > I'd like to push the existing Planet CCRMA plugin collections to extras Awesome! > ladspa-NAME-plugins > > where you add "plugins" if it is not already there. > This last one does sound better to my ears. This is fine because: if you search for "fil-plugins" in Extras, you will find it; if you search for "blop" you will find it too. Consistent naming scheme, unambiguous identification that's not too far from the original name, and ease of finding via a repo search should be the criteria - and your proposal meets all of them. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From seg at haxxed.com Sun Aug 6 03:40:01 2006 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1154021466.11380.9.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1154563371.17681.36.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1154835601.10797.20.camel@localhost> One thing of note, is we seem to have settled into a NAME-dssi naming convention for DSSI plugins. Seems technically inconsistent but I suppose the difference is ladspa packages usually contain a whole bunch of plugins, whereas a dssi plugin tends to be just one. ladspa-NAME-plugins works for me. Its pretty much all aesthetics in the end. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Aug 6 06:48:07 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:48:07 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <1154835601.10797.20.camel@localhost> References: <1154021466.11380.9.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154457164.14134.6.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1154563371.17681.36.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154633742.11160.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1154835601.10797.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1154846887.2980.2.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 22:40 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > One thing of note, is we seem to have settled into a NAME-dssi naming > convention for DSSI plugins. Seems technically inconsistent but I > suppose the difference is ladspa packages usually contain a whole bunch > of plugins, whereas a dssi plugin tends to be just one. It should be dssi-NAME The reverse is more difficult to search in a list of packages, or simply when you do an 'ls' in a directory. It's just common sense, the least specific denominator must come first, as in the YYYYMMDD format which preserves the order. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Aug 7 22:17:47 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:17:47 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] bug #201647 - inclusion of alsa-oss in Fedora Core Message-ID: <1154989067.19712.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> My opinion is that aoss (a.k.a. the alsa-oss package) should be included in Core. I filed a report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201647 The discussion on LAU that triggered the report: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2006-August/thread.html#37626 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From seg at haxxed.com Tue Aug 8 05:47:09 2006 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:47:09 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] bug #201647 - inclusion of alsa-oss in Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1154989067.19712.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1154989067.19712.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1155016029.4954.13.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 15:17 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > My opinion is that aoss (a.k.a. the alsa-oss package) should be included > in Core. I filed a report: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201647 > > The discussion on LAU that triggered the report: > > http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2006-August/thread.html#37626 Actually, something I'm pushing for in FC7, is to cut out the last vestiges of OSS, Namely, by cutting out esound and while we're at it, arts as well. I would rather alsa-oss did not go into core. Extras, sure. The flash plugin is pretty much the only remaining OSS-only holdout. And that will probably never change until we force their hand. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What we've been looking at internally for future releases is going to a PulseAudio-based system. Bill From perja at extern.uio.no Wed Aug 9 07:50:43 2006 From: perja at extern.uio.no (Per Thomas Jahr) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:50:43 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] bug #201647 - inclusion of alsa-oss in Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1155016029.4954.13.camel@localhost> References: <1154989067.19712.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1155016029.4954.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1155109843.3870.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> tir, 08,.08.2006 kl. 00.47 -0500, skrev Callum Lerwick: > The flash plugin is pretty much the only remaining OSS-only holdout. And > that will probably never change until we force their hand. From: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html Audio I/O: ALSA -- Per Thomas From lkratz at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 14:08:10 2006 From: lkratz at gmail.com (Laurent KRATZ) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:08:10 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Jamendo presentation to fedora-music Message-ID: Hi list, I had a nice chat with Greg DeKoenigsberg some days ago. He kindly propose to join this mailing-list. So here am I. I would like to present our project Jamendo (sorry for the ad Greg asked ;) ). http://www.jamendo.com/en/ Jamendo is an internet platform that distribute to a large scale Creative Commons licenced music. The original thing from jamendo, is that we distribute the music using P2P technology, in particular, we use BitTorrent and eMule/eDonkey networks, thus reducing our bandwidth needs. http://www.jamendo.com/en/static/concept/ We also integrate things "? la mode" like tags, ajax functions for recommendations, even a spy "? la digg". We use the power of social networking to filter the CC content submitted by artists. http://www.jamendo.com/en/?p=tags http://www.jamendo.com/en/spy/ There's no chart on jamendo. Your taste, your rating, peer reviews, number of downloads, help you find surprisingly good music. We just crossed the symbolic line of 1400 different complete albums online, we distribute 300.000 complete albums per month with P2P technology (hi-fi with no ads), we have 1 million streaming song previews (low-fi and ad supported) per month. The album base is growing exponentially. We provide both MP3 and OGG ! The albums you find on Jamendo gather all kind of music and represent many countries such as France, Spain, the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Belgium, Italy, Japan, Chile, Australia, Israel and recently New Zealand. More than 20.000 members have already registered on the platform. http://www.jamendo.com/en/?p=stats Part of our software is published on sourceforge. Volonteered have developped amarok plug-ins, firefox seach plug in ... other will come ... We have a pretty simple api : http://wiki.jamendo.com/index.php/EnMusicApi Voil? ... So dear list, what is your feeling about this ? -- Laurent KRATZ CEO Jamendo PEERMAJOR Technoport Schlassgoart 66, rue de Luxembourg L-4221 ESCH sur ALZETTE LUXEMBOURG T: +352 26 53 1008 F: +352 26 53 1009 G: +352 021 300 150 http://www.jamendo.com mailto:laurent at jamendo.com From gdk at redhat.com Fri Aug 18 15:27:39 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Jamendo presentation to fedora-music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, looks like the list is quiet-ish, so let me say what I think. :) Issue #1, and what I think is most important for Fedora users: the number of torrent seeds available for Ogg users is quite low. I'd like to propose two mechanisms for dealing with this, in the fairly near future: a. Offer some Fedora infrastucture to help seed Ogg files. I can put this question in front of the board. Strategic investment in a couple of servers could boost the availability of Ogg files significantly. b. Getting bittorrent into Fedora default installations. I'm already having discussions with the board on this topic. So, Laurent, interested to hear what you think of this idea. And what anyone else thinks, for that matter. :) --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Laurent KRATZ wrote: > Hi list, > > I had a nice chat with Greg DeKoenigsberg some days ago. He kindly > propose to join this mailing-list. So here am I. > > I would like to present our project Jamendo (sorry for the ad Greg asked ;) ). > http://www.jamendo.com/en/ > > Jamendo is an internet platform that distribute to a large scale > Creative Commons licenced music. The original thing from jamendo, is > that we distribute the music using P2P technology, in particular, we > use BitTorrent and eMule/eDonkey networks, thus reducing our bandwidth > needs. > http://www.jamendo.com/en/static/concept/ > > We also integrate things "? la mode" like tags, ajax functions for > recommendations, even a spy "? la digg". We use the power of social > networking to filter the CC content submitted by artists. > http://www.jamendo.com/en/?p=tags > http://www.jamendo.com/en/spy/ > > There's no chart on jamendo. Your taste, your rating, peer reviews, > number of downloads, help you find surprisingly good music. > > We just crossed the symbolic line of 1400 different complete albums > online, we distribute 300.000 complete albums per month with P2P > technology (hi-fi with no ads), we have 1 million streaming song > previews (low-fi and ad supported) per month. The album base is > growing exponentially. We provide both MP3 and OGG ! > > The albums you find on Jamendo gather all kind of music and represent > many countries such as France, Spain, the United States, Canada, the > United Kingdom, Belgium, Italy, Japan, Chile, Australia, Israel and > recently New Zealand. More than 20.000 members have already registered > on the platform. > http://www.jamendo.com/en/?p=stats > > Part of our software is published on sourceforge. Volonteered have > developped amarok plug-ins, firefox seach plug in ... other will come > ... > > We have a pretty simple api : > http://wiki.jamendo.com/index.php/EnMusicApi > > Voil? ... > > So dear list, what is your feeling about this ? > > -- > Laurent KRATZ > CEO Jamendo > > PEERMAJOR > Technoport Schlassgoart > 66, rue de Luxembourg > L-4221 ESCH sur ALZETTE > LUXEMBOURG > T: +352 26 53 1008 > F: +352 26 53 1009 > G: +352 021 300 150 > http://www.jamendo.com > mailto:laurent at jamendo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-music-list mailing list > Fedora-music-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list > From ajs at ajs.com Fri Aug 18 20:53:58 2006 From: ajs at ajs.com (Aaron Sherman) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:53:58 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Jamendo presentation to fedora-music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1155934438.10615.107.camel@pps> On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 11:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > OK, looks like the list is quiet-ish, so let me say what I think. :) > > Issue #1, and what I think is most important for Fedora users: the number > of torrent seeds available for Ogg users is quite low. I'd like to > propose two mechanisms for dealing with this, in the fairly near future: BT is actually the worst case scenario for large, low-interest files (but it's perfect for large, high-interest files). By way of comparison, a certain production house leaked a copy of the pilot for a TV show because it had been canceled and they wanted to try to drum up some grass-roots support. It didn't work, and the show never saw the air. A year later, I tried to pull down the torrent. After a day of waiting for the download, I fired up gtk-gnutella. The search took an hour to find the file, and the download finished before the torrent by about 12 hours. The torrent was mostly idle, waiting for a client who had the missing bits of the file. This has been my fairly repeatable result with old operating system versions, strange platform ISOs, folk music that's been released, and so on. My theory as to why is that bittorrent has a small chunk size and randomizes access. Gnutella has a larger chunk size and while it randomizes the first chunk from each available swarm source, it then continues linearly through the file as long as the next chunk is not already downloaded or being fetched from elsewhere; it then applies a heuristic that I haven't fully looked into (and may be client-specific), but the net result is that I almost never find a file on a Gnutella network for which less than 100% of the original file is available. > a. Offer some Fedora infrastucture to help seed Ogg files. I can put this > question in front of the board. Strategic investment in a couple of > servers could boost the availability of Ogg files significantly. If you do so, it doesn't hurt to provide the same service for gnutella. There's a server-only called quack out there that serves roughly the same purpose as a tracker. It's not in extras right now, but it could be with minimal effort. From gdk at redhat.com Fri Aug 18 21:08:47 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Jamendo presentation to fedora-music In-Reply-To: <1155934438.10615.107.camel@pps> References: <1155934438.10615.107.camel@pps> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Aaron Sherman wrote: > My theory as to why is that bittorrent has a small chunk size and > randomizes access. Gnutella has a larger chunk size and while it > randomizes the first chunk from each available swarm source, it then > continues linearly through the file as long as the next chunk is not > already downloaded or being fetched from elsewhere; it then applies a > heuristic that I haven't fully looked into (and may be client-specific), > but the net result is that I almost never find a file on a Gnutella > network for which less than 100% of the original file is available. > > a. Offer some Fedora infrastucture to help seed Ogg files. I can put this > > question in front of the board. Strategic investment in a couple of > > servers could boost the availability of Ogg files significantly. > > If you do so, it doesn't hurt to provide the same service for gnutella. > There's a server-only called quack out there that serves roughly the > same purpose as a tracker. Jamendo supports BitTorrent and eMule/eDonkey. The goal for making these seeds available is to support users of Jamendo. I don't know much about eMule/eDonkey, though. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Aug 20 23:03:37 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:03:37 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] realtime audio on Fedora? Message-ID: <1156115017.2744.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Currently I run all my music software as root. Crude but effective. But I wonder - is there a way to run jackd realtime as non-root on Fedora 5? Is the realtime lsm provided with FC5? Or rlimits-aware PAM? What are the answers to the same questions for the upcoming FC6? -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From vegard.lima at hia.no Mon Aug 21 00:00:48 2006 From: vegard.lima at hia.no (Vegard Lima) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:00:48 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] realtime audio on Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1156115017.2744.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1156115017.2744.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <44E8F7B0.50709@hia.no> Florin Andrei wrote: > Currently I run all my music software as root. Crude but effective. > > But I wonder - is there a way to run jackd realtime as non-root on > Fedora 5? > Is the realtime lsm provided with FC5? > Or rlimits-aware PAM? > > What are the answers to the same questions for the upcoming FC6? Hi, good news! rlimits for rtprio and nice has been available in FC4 for a year or so. And in FC5 from the start. Doubt it will go away in FC6... :) $ grep rtprio /etc/security/limits.conf # - rtprio - max realtime priority Setting rtprio to something sensible you can run jackd realtime as non-root. -- Vegard Lima From seg at haxxed.com Mon Aug 21 00:13:28 2006 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] realtime audio on Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1156115017.2744.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1156115017.2744.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <1156119209.5620.5.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2006-08-20 at 16:03 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > Currently I run all my music software as root. Crude but effective. > > Or rlimits-aware PAM? Yes, read /usr/share/doc/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.101.1/README.Fedora :) Though it needs to be updated to recommend setting memlock to 128mb or else hydrogen won't work. Its been rock solid for me at 128mb for like 6 months now. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lkratz at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 13:24:20 2006 From: lkratz at gmail.com (Laurent KRATZ) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:24:20 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Jamendo presentation to fedora-music In-Reply-To: <1155934438.10615.107.camel@pps> References: <1155934438.10615.107.camel@pps> Message-ID: Hi Aaron, Aaah ... We could certainly argue during hours about the best technology to use to distribute jamendo's archives (50Mb files) ... (and we do internally at jamendo ;) ) The main reason we promote both eMule/eDonkey and BitTorrent, is popularity, demand ... Music lovers, teens and artists use the jamendo service because they don't have to install another software, they already have eMule, uTorrent, or azureus, no need to install another tool. eMule in Europe is by far the most popular P2P tool. And BitTorrent traffic is supposed to be half of the P2P two third of world's traffic ... So despite BitTorrent is best suited for big popular files, we propose this option. Half of our download are BT, the other eMule/eDonkey. We would like to add Gnutella support, but this require another set of disks and server, and frankly, we do not receive that much demand for that. Concerning seeding some jamendo ogg archives on some fedora servers that would be very cool ! It's pretty simple to do we've developped a jamseeder. Basically, it's a python bittorrent client. You assign it an upload bandwidth, a disk space limit, and it does the job, asking (xmlrpc) our servers which files needs more seeding. The sources are here : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=127180&package_id=182820 The documentation is minimalist, read config.py :( if you want to look further hosting of eMule/eDonkey/KAD traffic, we do that using aMule, don't know if it's in the extras of fedora. don't know about quack, i'll have a look to it ... -- Laurent On 8/18/06, Aaron Sherman wrote: > On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 11:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > OK, looks like the list is quiet-ish, so let me say what I think. :) > > > > Issue #1, and what I think is most important for Fedora users: the number > > of torrent seeds available for Ogg users is quite low. I'd like to > > propose two mechanisms for dealing with this, in the fairly near future: > > BT is actually the worst case scenario for large, low-interest files > (but it's perfect for large, high-interest files). > > By way of comparison, a certain production house leaked a copy of the > pilot for a TV show because it had been canceled and they wanted to try > to drum up some grass-roots support. It didn't work, and the show never > saw the air. > > A year later, I tried to pull down the torrent. After a day of waiting > for the download, I fired up gtk-gnutella. The search took an hour to > find the file, and the download finished before the torrent by about 12 > hours. The torrent was mostly idle, waiting for a client who had the > missing bits of the file. > > This has been my fairly repeatable result with old operating system > versions, strange platform ISOs, folk music that's been released, and so > on. > > My theory as to why is that bittorrent has a small chunk size and > randomizes access. Gnutella has a larger chunk size and while it > randomizes the first chunk from each available swarm source, it then > continues linearly through the file as long as the next chunk is not > already downloaded or being fetched from elsewhere; it then applies a > heuristic that I haven't fully looked into (and may be client-specific), > but the net result is that I almost never find a file on a Gnutella > network for which less than 100% of the original file is available. > > > a. Offer some Fedora infrastucture to help seed Ogg files. I can put this > > question in front of the board. Strategic investment in a couple of > > servers could boost the availability of Ogg files significantly. > > If you do so, it doesn't hurt to provide the same service for gnutella. > There's a server-only called quack out there that serves roughly the > same purpose as a tracker. > > It's not in extras right now, but it could be with minimal effort. > > > From lkratz at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 13:50:14 2006 From: lkratz at gmail.com (Laurent KRATZ) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:50:14 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [Fedora-music-list] Jamendo presentation to fedora-music In-Reply-To: References: <1155934438.10615.107.camel@pps> Message-ID: Ooops quack server ? https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22865 April 2001 ? looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella : MLNet or gIFT should be a better candidate to do gnutella command line mass hosting ? -- Laurent From gdk at redhat.com Thu Aug 24 15:53:14 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] A special request: reviewer for csound Message-ID: Dan Williams has packaged csound for inclusion in Fedora Extras. I'd like to see one of our reviewers move this to the top of their queue. The review request is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=203217 Why is this important? Because it's the linchpin for Tamtam, the kid-friendly music creation tool for the OLPC project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/TamTam If anyone's looking for a bribe, I'm not too proud to offer one. But keep it reasonable. ;-) --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From gdk at redhat.com Fri Aug 25 20:29:20 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update Message-ID: Not a lot of traffic on the list. That's ok -- not ideal, but ok. Baby steps. :) So I'm here to give an update on what I, and some other folks, have been working on. Some Red Hatters had a meeting here at Red Hat this afternoon to talk about the "free music" roadmap as we see it. Lots of baby steps in a number of directions. These were the action items that fell out. The owners are Redhatters and are listed in (parens) after each action item. All of us could use any help you'd like to offer. Here were the attendees at the meeting: * Luke Macken (lmacken at redhat.com) * Steve Salevan (ssalevan at redhat.com) * Adrian Likins (alikins at redhat.com) * Myself (gdk at redhat.com) And the action items: * JAMENDO STREAMS IN RHYTHMBOX FOR FC6 (lmacken). It should be relatively simple to get Rhythmbox, default music player in FC6, to stream Ogg music out of the box. One of the strongest sources for free Ogg content is jamendo.com. (Laurent, we may ask for your help here.) * TORRENT SERVER FOR JAMENDO OGG FILES (gdk). The nice thing about Jamendo is that it allows not just streaming, but actual download of files through BitTorrent. We're going to invest in some hardware to help support with Ogg support: a system with lots of disk and decent bandwidth. (This server will probably also help us with the Live CD project.) * RHYTHMBOX PLUG-IN EXPERIMENTATION (lmacken, ssalevan). Jamendo has some great xmlrpc calls. We'd like to hook into them so that Rhythmbox can show artist info -- maybe even in the notifications field for Rhythmbox. Like, say, where an artist will be playing, or where you can buy a t-shirt. Mostly, we'll just be playing around to figure out how this will work. Luke/Steve, it might be worth finding some CVS space in Fedora-land if other people are interested in this. * TALK TO CCMIXTER FOLKS ABOUT OGG (gdk). How much of the content uploaded to ccMixter is available in Ogg format? Not much. We'd like to see if we can fix this. * TALK TO MAGNATUNE FOLKS ABOUT OGG (gdk). Same goes for Magnatune. I know they're working on making their content available as Ogg files, but a little nudge in the right direction might help. :) * GET TAMTAM RUNNING IN OUR LAB (alikins). The OLPC folks have actual code working in the Tamtam project, woo hoo! It's based on gtk2+csound. The screenshots look cool, but I'd like to see it in action. We're going to try to get it running here. This is going to be a music production application that will be available to millions of kids in the next year, if all goes well -- meaning it will have more users than Garage Band. It's potentially A Big Deal. * GET CSOUND APPROVED FOR FEDORA EXTRAS (gdk). As part of the effort to get Tamtam working on as many systems as possible, I'm begging our Fedora Extras community to review the csound package that Dan Williams has submitted. I am willing to bribe people, by the way. :) * FIND A FAMOUS MUSICIAN FOR FEDORA STARTUP SOUND (all). Eno and Fripp have dedicated their talents to the Windows startup sounds. Surely we can find some freedom-lovin' music superhero to do some work for the good guys. :) * INSTALL CCHOST IN RH COLO (lmacken). We want to learn a lot more about the award-winning ccHost application, especially as a potential backend for people using Fedora (or one day OLPC) to collaborate on musical projects. Luke is going to get that running for us. * MUSICIAN SURVEY (gdk, ssalevan). We've been trying to figure out some questions to ask musicians about how they work. Steve is program director for a college radio station, so he's going to take a strong role here. So that's what we're working on. Any questions or offers of help, send them to the list. :) --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From lmacken at redhat.com Fri Aug 25 23:24:54 2006 From: lmacken at redhat.com (Luke Macken) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:24:54 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060825232454.GA8634@crow.nc.rr.com> On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 04:29:20PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > * JAMENDO STREAMS IN RHYTHMBOX FOR FC6 (lmacken). It should be relatively > simple to get Rhythmbox, default music player in FC6, to stream Ogg music > out of the box. One of the strongest sources for free Ogg content is > jamendo.com. (Laurent, we may ask for your help here.) As far as I can tell, Jamendo does not have any sort of per-category/tag streaming. It seems like the most you can do for a category is 'Listen to the albums of this page', which just dynamically generates an m3u that points directly to a handfull of oggs. I'm not sure of the best way to integrate Jamendo into Rhythmbox in the short-term (the plugin would be the long term solution). Laurent, any ideas ? > * RHYTHMBOX PLUG-IN EXPERIMENTATION (lmacken, ssalevan). Jamendo has some > great xmlrpc calls. We'd like to hook into them so that Rhythmbox can > show artist info -- maybe even in the notifications field for Rhythmbox. > Like, say, where an artist will be playing, or where you can buy a > t-shirt. Mostly, we'll just be playing around to figure out how this will > work. Luke/Steve, it might be worth finding some CVS space in Fedora-land > if other people are interested in this. We can probably do some pretty cool stuff with this. I haven't looked at the API in great detail, but it doesn't look like there is a way to retrieve album covers? > * INSTALL CCHOST IN RH COLO (lmacken). We want to learn a lot more about > the award-winning ccHost application, especially as a potential backend > for people using Fedora (or one day OLPC) to collaborate on musical > projects. Luke is going to get that running for us. We have a bunch of new hardware making its way to the colo. I'll see what I can do about setting up a ccHost playground in a xen guest once we get them up and running. luke From sylvain at sylvainzimmer.com Sat Aug 26 08:50:01 2006 From: sylvain at sylvainzimmer.com (Sylvain ZIMMER) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:50:01 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: References: <20060825232454.GA8634@crow.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <44F00B39.2010907@sylvainzimmer.com> Hi! I'm the CTO of jamendo, feel free to ask me questions/comments about the API. (quick doc : http://wiki.jamendo.com/index.php/EnMusicApi) > As far as I can tell, Jamendo does not have any sort of per-category/tag > streaming. Actually we can stream anything as you can see on the wiki page A per-tag stream : http://www.jamendo.com/get/track/tag/album/audio/m3u/electro+ambient/?o=random&n=50&aenc=ogg2 If you're looking for an artist: http://www.jamendo.com/get/track/search/artist/audio/plain/binarymi/?o=release_date_desc&n=50&aenc=ogg2 matches the tracks of our artist "binarymind". > > I'm not sure of the best way to integrate Jamendo into Rhythmbox in the > short-term (the plugin would be the long term solution). Laurent, any > ideas ? > I think there are a few solutions : - "Augment" rythmbox when it detects a jamendo playlist / song (make it fetch the artwork, display the CC licence, display feedback links, bittorrent links, ..) - Access the jamendo library with the Artist / Album browser, as if the files were on disk, and stream/download them when playing. (You can fetch all the artists with a call like that http://www.jamendo.com/get/artist/list/artist/data/json/?n=all&ari=info_min and then the albums for one artist with http://www.jamendo.com/get/album/id/artist/data/json/5/?n=all&ali=info_min) - Display a "tag cloud", make the user select its favourite tags, and launch the radio associated with the tags. - Make the user able to fetch its jamendo playlists (API is not ready yet) >> * RHYTHMBOX PLUG-IN EXPERIMENTATION (lmacken, ssalevan). Jamendo has >> some >> great xmlrpc calls. We'd like to hook into them so that Rhythmbox can >> show artist info -- maybe even in the notifications field for Rhythmbox. >> Like, say, where an artist will be playing, or where you can buy a >> t-shirt. Mostly, we'll just be playing around to figure out how this >> will >> work. Luke/Steve, it might be worth finding some CVS space in >> Fedora-land >> if other people are interested in this. > > We can probably do some pretty cool stuff with this. I haven't looked > at the API in great detail, but it doesn't look like there is a way to > retrieve album covers? I've added a handy shortcut for that : http://www.jamendo.com/get/album/id/album/artworkurl/plain/116/?artwork_size=400 Even simplier : http://www.jamendo.com/get/album/id/album/artworkurl/redirect/116/?artwork_size=400 I'll do my best to provide you with convenient ways to fetch the data you want ;-) Thanks again for your support, we're very excited about it ! Regards, -- Sylvain ZIMMER CTO, www.jamendo.com From seg at haxxed.com Sat Aug 26 09:47:27 2006 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156585648.8134.5.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 16:29 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > * FIND A FAMOUS MUSICIAN FOR FEDORA STARTUP SOUND (all). Eno and Fripp > have dedicated their talents to the Windows startup sounds. Surely we can > find some freedom-lovin' music superhero to do some work for the good > guys. :) Start up a contest for independent artists to create a startup sound to be put into, err, if we start now we might be able to get it into FC6. Or just release it as an update for FC6. Make a big PR event out of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fermin at dilo.org Sat Aug 26 16:09:57 2006 From: fermin at dilo.org (Fermin Molina) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:09:57 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: <1156585648.8134.5.camel@localhost> References: <1156585648.8134.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1156608597.31850.22.camel@fucker.pikadero.com> On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 04:47 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 16:29 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > * FIND A FAMOUS MUSICIAN FOR FEDORA STARTUP SOUND (all). Eno and Fripp > > have dedicated their talents to the Windows startup sounds. Surely we can > > find some freedom-lovin' music superhero to do some work for the good > > guys. :) A famous musician? Do you want to pay the royalties to this "famous musician"? ;-) > Start up a contest for independent artists to create a startup sound to > be put into, err, if we start now we might be able to get it into FC6. > Or just release it as an update for FC6. Make a big PR event out of it. That's a great idea! I think the contest will be moving around the Creative Commons world. A lot of great musicians are waiting in Jamendo (for example) for an oportunity like this ;-) Fermin - www.dilo.org From sylvain at sylvainzimmer.com Sat Aug 26 17:20:12 2006 From: sylvain at sylvainzimmer.com (Sylvain ZIMMER) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:20:12 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: <1156608597.31850.22.camel@fucker.pikadero.com> References: <1156585648.8134.5.camel@localhost> <1156608597.31850.22.camel@fucker.pikadero.com> Message-ID: <44F082CC.80701@sylvainzimmer.com> Fermin Molina a ?crit : > On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 04:47 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >> On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 16:29 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> >>> * FIND A FAMOUS MUSICIAN FOR FEDORA STARTUP SOUND (all). Eno and Fripp >>> have dedicated their talents to the Windows startup sounds. Surely we can >>> find some freedom-lovin' music superhero to do some work for the good >>> guys. :) >>> > > A famous musician? Do you want to pay the royalties to this "famous > musician"? ;-) > > >> Start up a contest for independent artists to create a startup sound to >> be put into, err, if we start now we might be able to get it into FC6. >> Or just release it as an update for FC6. Make a big PR event out of it. >> > > That's a great idea! I think the contest will be moving around the > Creative Commons world. A lot of great musicians are waiting in Jamendo > (for example) for an oportunity like this ;-) > > Yeah that would be great. Maybe we (jamendo) can set up with fedora a contest like the CC/Fedora Open Video one, this time for a Fedora soundtrack ? -- Sylvain CTO, www.jamendo.com From gdk at redhat.com Mon Aug 28 16:15:21 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: <44F082CC.80701@sylvainzimmer.com> References: <1156585648.8134.5.camel@localhost> <1156608597.31850.22.camel@fucker.pikadero.com> <44F082CC.80701@sylvainzimmer.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Sylvain ZIMMER wrote: > > That's a great idea! I think the contest will be moving around the > > Creative Commons world. A lot of great musicians are waiting in Jamendo > > (for example) for an oportunity like this ;-) > > > Yeah that would be great. > > Maybe we (jamendo) can set up with fedora a contest like the CC/Fedora > Open Video one, this time for a Fedora soundtrack ? I would certainly be open to this. Let me talk to some folks. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From mharris at mharris.ca Wed Aug 30 15:06:40 2006 From: mharris at mharris.ca (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:06:40 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Free/open music scene ... Message-ID: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> This isn't limited to Fedora per se, but someone suggested I post my question here to kick-start things... I've been exploring the free/open music scene in search of new music released under creative commons type licenses, etc. as well as new sounds/styles out there. I've found that there is a tremendous amount of music out there, however I have yet to find any music I'd consider "gems". Most of the music I've found so far has either been outside of my range of musical tastes, or has had an amateurish quality to it. Nonetheless I remain hopeful that there is actually "good" free music out there, and my search continues... ;o) Does anyone have any recommendations of any _good_ artists/bands that release material under creative-commons to check out? Of course I realize that "good" or "bad" is subjective and an individual thing that will vary greatly between different people, but I'm hoping some of you know of free music which would appeal either to larger audiences, to those who prefer specific genres, or music that would be catered more specifically to musicians - such as progressive rock/metal or similar. Anything from classical, blues, rock, metal, progressive, neoclassical, alternative, or instrumental music would be up my alley, although I'm quite open minded about music in general. In the mean time, I'll keep hunting... TIA -- Mike A. Harris * Open Source Advocate * http://mharris.ca Linux fans: Check out Tym Morrison's hit new heavy metal single "Only Linux" at http://tymmorrison.com - If you would like to support this great Canadian metal artist and open source fanatic, you can buy a copy of Tym's Solo Project CD at the "Buy CD" link on his site. From gdk at redhat.com Wed Aug 30 15:11:15 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Free/open music scene ... In-Reply-To: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> References: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> Message-ID: My recommendation? Troll through Jamendo and start listening. As soon as you find something you like, rate and review it. Follow Michael Tiemann's example: this is exactly what he's been doing. :) --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Mike A. Harris wrote: > This isn't limited to Fedora per se, but someone suggested I post > my question here to kick-start things... > > I've been exploring the free/open music scene in search > of new music released under creative commons type licenses, > etc. as well as new sounds/styles out there. > > I've found that there is a tremendous amount of music out there, > however I have yet to find any music I'd consider "gems". Most > of the music I've found so far has either been outside of my > range of musical tastes, or has had an amateurish quality to it. > Nonetheless I remain hopeful that there is actually "good" free > music out there, and my search continues... ;o) > > Does anyone have any recommendations of any _good_ artists/bands > that release material under creative-commons to check out? Of > course I realize that "good" or "bad" is subjective and an > individual thing that will vary greatly between different > people, but I'm hoping some of you know of free music which > would appeal either to larger audiences, to those who prefer > specific genres, or music that would be catered more specifically > to musicians - such as progressive rock/metal or similar. > > Anything from classical, blues, rock, metal, progressive, > neoclassical, alternative, or instrumental music would be > up my alley, although I'm quite open minded about music in > general. > > In the mean time, I'll keep hunting... > > TIA > > > > > -- > Mike A. Harris * Open Source Advocate * http://mharris.ca > > Linux fans: Check out Tym Morrison's hit new heavy metal single > "Only Linux" at http://tymmorrison.com - If you would like to support > this great Canadian metal artist and open source fanatic, you can buy > a copy of Tym's Solo Project CD at the "Buy CD" link on his site. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-music-list mailing list > Fedora-music-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list > From mharris at mharris.ca Wed Aug 30 15:38:28 2006 From: mharris at mharris.ca (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:38:28 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Free/open music scene ... In-Reply-To: References: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> Message-ID: <44F5B0F4.8050200@mharris.ca> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > My recommendation? Troll through Jamendo and start listening. As soon as > you find something you like, rate and review it. Follow Michael Tiemann's > example: this is exactly what he's been doing. :) Cool, will do... Heard mention of Jamendo before but never googled to learn what it was. Now that I've done so, this looks quite exciting. I just got Shaw (my ISP) High-speed-extreme hooked up, and it looks like I did so just in time to start downloading free music at 10mbit by the boatload. ;) Thanks for the suggestion Greg! -- Mike A. Harris * Open Source Advocate * http://mharris.ca Linux fans: Check out Tym Morrison's hit new heavy metal single "Only Linux" at http://tymmorrison.com - If you would like to support this great Canadian metal artist and open source fanatic, you can buy a copy of Tym's Solo Project CD at the "Buy CD" link on his site. From gdk at redhat.com Wed Aug 30 15:50:27 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Free/open music scene ... In-Reply-To: <44F5B0F4.8050200@mharris.ca> References: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> <44F5B0F4.8050200@mharris.ca> Message-ID: Something else you can do that will really help: set up a torrent with all that great new bandwidth. :) The reasons that I'm *really* excited about Jamendo: 1. Lots of free content in one place, with a rating mechanism that actually works. 2. Real growth in artists. 3. Bittorrent, which means low costs for delivery. 4. They serve Oggs! This will be *crucial* for the Fedora story. BUT... the Ogg torrents are underserved. Help. :) Here's what you yourself can do, right now: http://www.jamendo.com/us/static/jamendotools_jamseeder/ I'm working to get hardware, but it could be a while before it's ready to go -- like, a month-ish. In the meantime, I'm about to go buy a big external hard drive, attach it to an old system at home, and run Jamseeder myself. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > My recommendation? Troll through Jamendo and start listening. As soon as > > you find something you like, rate and review it. Follow Michael Tiemann's > > example: this is exactly what he's been doing. :) > > Cool, will do... Heard mention of Jamendo before but never > googled to learn what it was. > > Now that I've done so, this looks quite exciting. I just got > Shaw (my ISP) High-speed-extreme hooked up, and it looks like > I did so just in time to start downloading free music at 10mbit > by the boatload. ;) > > Thanks for the suggestion Greg! > > > > > -- > Mike A. Harris * Open Source Advocate * http://mharris.ca > > Linux fans: Check out Tym Morrison's hit new heavy metal single > "Only Linux" at http://tymmorrison.com - If you would like to support > this great Canadian metal artist and open source fanatic, you can buy > a copy of Tym's Solo Project CD at the "Buy CD" link on his site. > From mharris at mharris.ca Wed Aug 30 15:57:03 2006 From: mharris at mharris.ca (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:57:03 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Re: Free/open music scene ... In-Reply-To: References: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> <44F5B0F4.8050200@mharris.ca> Message-ID: <44F5B54F.10209@mharris.ca> Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Something else you can do that will really help: set up a torrent with all > that great new bandwidth. :) > > The reasons that I'm *really* excited about Jamendo: > > 1. Lots of free content in one place, with a rating mechanism that > actually works. > > 2. Real growth in artists. > > 3. Bittorrent, which means low costs for delivery. > > 4. They serve Oggs! This will be *crucial* for the Fedora story. > > BUT... the Ogg torrents are underserved. Help. :) Here's what you > yourself can do, right now: > > http://www.jamendo.com/us/static/jamendotools_jamseeder/ > > I'm working to get hardware, but it could be a while before it's ready to > go -- like, a month-ish. In the meantime, I'm about to go buy a big > external hard drive, attach it to an old system at home, and run Jamseeder > myself. I'll definitely explore doing that. I've got an aggregated up/down 100Gb monthly transfer cap, which is _tonnes_ more than I ever use personally, so I definitely have some bandwidth and cap to share. -- Mike A. Harris * Open Source Advocate * http://mharris.ca Linux fans: Check out Tym Morrison's hit new heavy metal single "Only Linux" at http://tymmorrison.com - If you would like to support this great Canadian metal artist and open source fanatic, you can buy a copy of Tym's Solo Project CD at the "Buy CD" link on his site. From sylvain at sylvainzimmer.com Wed Aug 30 17:12:37 2006 From: sylvain at sylvainzimmer.com (Sylvain ZIMMER) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:12:37 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Re: Free/open music scene ... In-Reply-To: <44F5B54F.10209@mharris.ca> References: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> <44F5B0F4.8050200@mharris.ca> <44F5B54F.10209@mharris.ca> Message-ID: <44F5C705.1090900@sylvainzimmer.com> Mike A. Harris a ?crit : > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> Something else you can do that will really help: set up a torrent >> with all that great new bandwidth. :) >> >> The reasons that I'm *really* excited about Jamendo: >> >> 1. Lots of free content in one place, with a rating mechanism that >> actually works. >> >> 2. Real growth in artists. >> >> 3. Bittorrent, which means low costs for delivery. >> >> 4. They serve Oggs! This will be *crucial* for the Fedora story. >> >> BUT... the Ogg torrents are underserved. Help. :) Here's what you >> yourself can do, right now: >> >> http://www.jamendo.com/us/static/jamendotools_jamseeder/ >> >> I'm working to get hardware, but it could be a while before it's >> ready to go -- like, a month-ish. In the meantime, I'm about to go >> buy a big external hard drive, attach it to an old system at home, >> and run Jamseeder myself. > > I'll definitely explore doing that. I've got an aggregated up/down > 100Gb monthly transfer cap, which is _tonnes_ more than I ever use > personally, so I definitely have some bandwidth and cap to share. > > > Thanks a lot! We definately need some help to seed the torrents :-/ Actually our primary seed had a hard drive failure yesterday so jamseeder won't be able to get its data until tomorrow maybe. I'll keep you updated with that but thanks in advance for planning to use it ! Regards, -- Sylvain CTO, jamendo.com From green at redhat.com Wed Aug 30 17:23:25 2006 From: green at redhat.com (Anthony Green) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:23:25 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Free/open music scene ... In-Reply-To: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> References: <44F5A980.2020104@mharris.ca> Message-ID: <1156958606.2655.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 11:06 -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations of any _good_ artists/bands > that release material under creative-commons to check out? I use iRate... http://irate.sourceforge.net/ AG From bclark at redhat.com Thu Aug 31 15:03:19 2006 From: bclark at redhat.com (Bryan Clark) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:03:19 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: <20060825232454.GA8634@crow.nc.rr.com> References: <20060825232454.GA8634@crow.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <44F6FA37.8040508@redhat.com> Luke Macken wrote: > On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 04:29:20PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > >> * JAMENDO STREAMS IN RHYTHMBOX FOR FC6 (lmacken). It should be relatively >> simple to get Rhythmbox, default music player in FC6, to stream Ogg music >> out of the box. One of the strongest sources for free Ogg content is >> jamendo.com. (Laurent, we may ask for your help here.) >> > > As far as I can tell, Jamendo does not have any sort of per-category/tag > streaming. It seems like the most you can do for a category is 'Listen > to the albums of this page', which just dynamically generates an m3u > that points directly to a handfull of oggs. > Looks like it to me. Something like this URL http://www.jamendo.com/get/album/list/album/page/plain/?tag=electronica Which will get you a list of albums tagged electronica. Retrieving more than "plain" would get you all the albums ogg files, artwork, or other stuff. > I'm not sure of the best way to integrate Jamendo into Rhythmbox in the > short-term (the plugin would be the long term solution). Laurent, any > ideas ? > Perhaps if you already had the downloading of the ogg files to a specified directory say in a separate little python program. You could just add that directory to Rhythmbox since I believe it does an imported directory watch for file changes? Then I guess you'd just need to have an auto-playlist that looks in that path for files. A Rube Goldberg contraption of music craziness that just might work... >> * RHYTHMBOX PLUG-IN EXPERIMENTATION (lmacken, ssalevan). Jamendo has some >> great xmlrpc calls. We'd like to hook into them so that Rhythmbox can >> show artist info -- maybe even in the notifications field for Rhythmbox. >> Like, say, where an artist will be playing, or where you can buy a >> t-shirt. Mostly, we'll just be playing around to figure out how this will >> work. Luke/Steve, it might be worth finding some CVS space in Fedora-land >> if other people are interested in this. >> > > We can probably do some pretty cool stuff with this. I haven't looked > at the API in great detail, but it doesn't look like there is a way to > retrieve album covers? > It looks like they have an API to get Album covers http://wiki.jamendo.com/index.php/EnMusicApi#Get_the_cover_of_the_album_116 From their page it looks all requests are handled by building a URL with the correct parameters. A sample request : Get all the tracks from the album with ID 33 : http://www.jamendo.com/get/track/id/album/audio/plain/33/ The addresses are built this way : www.jamendo.com/get/_TARGETUNIT_/_LOADMETHOD_/_PARAMUNIT_/_TARGET_/_FORMAT_/ From gdk at redhat.com Thu Aug 31 15:27:40 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Fedora Music Update In-Reply-To: <44F6FA37.8040508@redhat.com> References: <20060825232454.GA8634@crow.nc.rr.com> <44F6FA37.8040508@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Bryan Clark wrote: > > I'm not sure of the best way to integrate Jamendo into Rhythmbox in the > > short-term (the plugin would be the long term solution). Laurent, any > > ideas ? > > > Perhaps if you already had the downloading of the ogg files to a > specified directory say in a separate little python program. You could > just add that directory to Rhythmbox since I believe it does an imported > directory watch for file changes? Then I guess you'd just need to have > an auto-playlist that looks in that path for files. A Rube Goldberg > contraption of music craziness that just might work... Yeah. Looks like a plug-in, basically. I'm looking at that in what spare time I can muster. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- From gdk at redhat.com Thu Aug 31 21:18:41 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] #fedora-csjo on freenode Message-ID: Hey. If you want to hang out with the cool kids in IRC, join #fedora-csjo on freenode. Want to know what CSJO means? You'll have to ask us on IRC. ;-) --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors -------------------------------------------------------------