From perja at extern.uio.no Wed May 2 06:53:39 2007 From: perja at extern.uio.no (Per Thomas Jahr) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 08:53:39 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? Message-ID: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> Hi, Now that Ardour 2.0 has been released, will it be in the repository for FC7? BTW: is there a list of available packages in FC7 somewhere? Thanks -- Per Thomas From kms at passback.co.uk Wed May 2 08:24:49 2007 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 09:24:49 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> Message-ID: <1178094289.3922.0.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 08:53 +0200, Per Thomas Jahr wrote: > Hi, > > Now that Ardour 2.0 has been released, will it be in the repository for > FC7? It would be nice to get Rosegarden upgraded to version 1.5.1 as well. Keith. From ant at symons.net.au Wed May 2 08:38:39 2007 From: ant at symons.net.au (Ant) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:08:39 +0930 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Getting started? Message-ID: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> Ive been on this list for a while, and have noted that its been somewhat quiet. So i've just googled Ardour seeing it mentioned and it looks great! Ive kept googling, and there seems to be a hole where FC6 is. Like many probably I currently run FC6, and according to most references up to FC5 is supported, although there is a couple of mentions of FC7. Do the packages exist for FC6, and if so, where? Can anyone recommend a couple of good apps to take a look at? I also have a couple of musically inclined friends who I recently built a PC for, and set it up with FC6 and Windows. It lives in the room with their keyboards, midi and other music gear etc, and now they have accidentally trashed the windows install and say that FC6 runs great and they're happy to keep using it only. They say its better for uni work and the interface is easyer to use than 'doze. They just wish Cubase or Sibelius ran on it. I'd love to get some good linux music apps on there for them to try (and have a bit of a play with myself)! TIA, Ant From kms at passback.co.uk Wed May 2 09:33:13 2007 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:33:13 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Getting started? In-Reply-To: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> References: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> Message-ID: <1178098393.3922.10.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 18:08 +0930, Ant wrote: > Ive been on this list for a while, and have noted that its been somewhat > quiet. So i've just googled Ardour seeing it mentioned and it looks > great! Ive kept googling, and there seems to be a hole where FC6 is. > Like many probably I currently run FC6, and according to most references > up to FC5 is supported, although there is a couple of mentions of FC7. > > Do the packages exist for FC6, and if so, where? Can anyone recommend a > couple of good apps to take a look at? Ardour 0.99.3 is available in Fedora Extras for FC6, you should be able to install it with Yum or Pirut if you are connected to the Internet, something like: # yum install ardour > I also have a couple of musically inclined friends who I recently built > a PC for, and set it up with FC6 and Windows. It lives in the room with > their keyboards, midi and other music gear etc, and now they have > accidentally trashed the windows install and say that FC6 runs great and > they're happy to keep using it only. They say its better for uni work > and the interface is easyer to use than 'doze. They just wish Cubase or > Sibelius ran on it. I'd love to get some good linux music apps on there > for them to try (and have a bit of a play with myself)! For sequencing there are a number of options, I tend to use Rosegarden: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ There are others as well: Muse and Seq24 for example. Installing Rosegarden would be: # yum install rosegarden4 To blow my own trumpet, I've written a very basic beginners guide to making music on Fedora which is available from the Red Hat Magazine: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/02/15/professional-audio-with-fedora-core-6/ One day I'll write part two dealing with Rosegarden... Keith. From green at redhat.com Wed May 2 14:16:05 2007 From: green at redhat.com (Anthony Green) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 07:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <1178094289.3922.0.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> <1178094289.3922.0.camel@animal.passback.co.uk> Message-ID: <46389D25.9090100@redhat.com> Keith Sharp wrote: > It would be nice to get Rosegarden upgraded to version 1.5.1 as well. The best way to get the maintainer's attention is to file a bug report at http://bugzilla.redhat.com. AG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: green.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 163 bytes Desc: not available URL: From green at redhat.com Wed May 2 14:17:21 2007 From: green at redhat.com (Anthony Green) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 07:17:21 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> Message-ID: <46389D71.3020701@redhat.com> Per Thomas Jahr wrote: > Hi, > > Now that Ardour 2.0 has been released, will it be in the repository for > FC7? Yes, I just started working on this for F7. > BTW: is there a list of available packages in FC7 somewhere? Just poke around here... http://redhat.download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/ AG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: green.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 163 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fropeter at online.no Wed May 2 14:39:16 2007 From: fropeter at online.no (Frode Petersen) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:39:16 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Getting started? In-Reply-To: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> References: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> Message-ID: <4638A294.3050006@online.no> Ant skrev: > Ive been on this list for a while, and have noted that its been somewhat > quiet. So i've just googled Ardour seeing it mentioned and it looks > great! Ive kept googling, and there seems to be a hole where FC6 is. > Like many probably I currently run FC6, and according to most references > up to FC5 is supported, although there is a couple of mentions of FC7. > > Do the packages exist for FC6, and if so, where? Can anyone recommend a > couple of good apps to take a look at? > > TIA, > Ant Try this repository: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/x86_64/ http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/i386/ The link to the hompage: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ Frode From green at redhat.com Wed May 2 15:07:54 2007 From: green at redhat.com (Anthony Green) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 08:07:54 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> Message-ID: <4638A94A.3050908@redhat.com> Per Thomas Jahr wrote: > Hi, > > Now that Ardour 2.0 has been released, will it be in the repository for > FC7? This new version of ardour installs as /usr/bin/ardour2 (/etc/ardour2, etc), so you can install it in parallel with the old ardour. However, it's also fully backwards compatible with the older ardour, so there's no real reason to have both installed. I was planning on calling the package ardour, not ardour2, and it will be the natural upgrade path for people with ardour already installed. The binaries and directories will still all be called ardour2, but that won't matter to people running it from the Applications menu. I think, however, that this is different from nando's ardour2 prerelease packages. Fernando, what do you think we should do? AG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: green.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 163 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed May 2 16:46:24 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 09:46:24 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <4638A94A.3050908@redhat.com> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> <4638A94A.3050908@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1178124384.14590.9.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 08:07 -0700, Anthony Green wrote: > Per Thomas Jahr wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Now that Ardour 2.0 has been released, will it be in the repository for > > FC7? > > This new version of ardour installs as /usr/bin/ardour2 (/etc/ardour2, > etc), so you can install it in parallel with the old ardour. However, > it's also fully backwards compatible with the older ardour, so there's > no real reason to have both installed. > > I was planning on calling the package ardour, not ardour2, and it will > be the natural upgrade path for people with ardour already installed. > The binaries and directories will still all be called ardour2, but that > won't matter to people running it from the Applications menu. > > I think, however, that this is different from nando's ardour2 prerelease > packages. > > Fernando, what do you think we should do? Hmmm, no right answer... thanks for asking... I've been tracking Ardour2 in fc5/fc6 for a while and the ardour2 package on Planet CCRMA was out a few hours after the announcement. If we keep the "ardour" package name in Extras and transition that package to 2.x, how can Planet CCRMA be compatible with that? I can't do anything on my side, I think (the ardour2 packages have been out there for a while and are installed in machines all over the place). Would the package in Extras include some kind of Obsoletes:/Provides: for that? (I doubt it... :-) For something as crucial to a recording studio as Ardour I'd rather have both installed side by side and test 2.x until I'm comfortable that it is working fine. That's not possible if the package name is ardour, right? -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed May 2 16:50:02 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 09:50:02 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Getting started? In-Reply-To: <4638A294.3050006@online.no> References: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> <4638A294.3050006@online.no> Message-ID: <1178124602.14590.15.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 16:39 +0200, Frode Petersen wrote: > Ant skrev: > > Ive been on this list for a while, and have noted that its been somewhat > > quiet. So i've just googled Ardour seeing it mentioned and it looks > > great! Ive kept googling, and there seems to be a hole where FC6 is. > > Like many probably I currently run FC6, and according to most references > > up to FC5 is supported, although there is a couple of mentions of FC7. > > > > Do the packages exist for FC6, and if so, where? Can anyone recommend a > > couple of good apps to take a look at? > > > > Try this repository: > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/x86_64/ > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/i386/ > > The link to the hompage: > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ Docs out of date, see: http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrmanews/2006-November/000047.html Basically install "planetccrma-core" and you will get a realtime kernel, irq ordering script, pam with realtime access enabled by default, etc, etc (if you need/want low latency you need all that). Then "planetccrma-apps" will get you most of the applications from both Extras and Planet CCRMA[*]. -- Fernando [*] and "planetccrma-menus" will add a nice hierarchical menu with sound/music apps nicely categorized, at least the ones coming from Planet CCRMA. From perja at extern.uio.no Wed May 2 18:26:58 2007 From: perja at extern.uio.no (Per Thomas Jahr) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:26:58 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <46389D71.3020701@redhat.com> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> <46389D71.3020701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1178130418.4256.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 07:17 -0700, Anthony Green wrote: > Per Thomas Jahr wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Now that Ardour 2.0 has been released, will it be in the repository for > > FC7? > > Yes, I just started working on this for F7. Excellent! > > BTW: is there a list of available packages in FC7 somewhere? > > Just poke around here... > > http://redhat.download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/ Thanks! Per Thomas From weston at sysex.net Wed May 2 20:20:06 2007 From: weston at sysex.net (William Weston) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fedora-music-list] ANNOUNCE: PHASEX v0.10.0 Message-ID: Announcing the latest release of the Phasex Harmonic Advanced Synthesis EXperiment (first release featuring a GUI), available for download (source tarball and FC6 RPMs) at: http://sysex.net/phasex/ PHASEX is an experimental softsynth for Linux/ALSA/JACK systems with a good mix of standard and experimental features. Here's a quick overview of what PHASEX offers: * GTK GUI: Every paramater is available through the GUI, with parameter names right-clickable for on-the-fly MIDI controller mapping and middle-clickable for parameter help. * 4 Osc / 4 LFO: Oscs and LFOs support multiple sources: MIDI key, tempo, envelopes, and inputs, all with selectable unipolar/bipolar scaling. Wavetable includes the basic wave shapes, both bandlimited and non-bandlimited. Per-osc and per-LFO transpose, pitchbend, and init phase. * Modulations: Full AM, FM, and PM (in this case, modulation of phase offset between left and right channels) routing with per-osc controls. Each osc can be modulated by any osc or LFO for AM, FM, of PM. Wave select modulation by LFO modulators is alsa available. * Filter: Modified Chamberlin filter with LP, HP, BP, BS, LP+BP, HP+BP, LP+HP, and BS+BP modes, distortion and retro (clean) types, keyfollow modes, ADSR envelope, and LFO cutoff modulation. * ADSR Envelope: Standard ADSR envelopes for amplifier and filter. * Chorus: Stereo crossover chorus with builtin phaser. * Delay: Stereo crossover delay with LFO modulation capability. * Key Modes: Mono smooth, mono retrigger, mono multikey (round-robin mapping of MIDI keys to individual oscs), and full poly modes are available. * Input Processing: Inputs may be routed to any combination of oscs and LFOs. Input boost allows weaker sources to be brought up to level of oscs. Envelope follower applies input envelope to output. * Sampling Modes: Supports undersampling and oversampling, giving control over the ever present quality vs. CPU tradeoff. Since this is the first public release of PHASEX with a GUI, feedback is highly encouraged. The project goal is to provide a synthesizer to experimental and professional musicians alike that is as easy and enjoyable to use as it is powerful. The next batch of new parameters and features will be a result of feedback from the community, so please, don't be shy. Cheers! --ww -- /* William Weston */ From green at redhat.com Wed May 2 20:32:07 2007 From: green at redhat.com (Anthony Green) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <1178124384.14590.9.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> <4638A94A.3050908@redhat.com> <1178124384.14590.9.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <4638F547.2010100@redhat.com> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > If we keep the "ardour" package name in Extras and transition that > package to 2.x, how can Planet CCRMA be compatible with that? I can't do > anything on my side, I think (the ardour2 packages have been out there > for a while and are installed in machines all over the place). Would the > package in Extras include some kind of Obsoletes:/Provides: for that? (I > doubt it... :-) We could definitely Obsolete the ardour2 package in a new ardour package. > For something as crucial to a recording studio as Ardour I'd rather have > both installed side by side and test 2.x until I'm comfortable that it > is working fine. That's not possible if the package name is ardour, > right? True. In theory, both ccrma and fedora could provide upgrade paths from the current ardour package. The planetccrma package would be an "ardour0" package containing the 0.99.3 release which Obsoletes ardour, and the fedora package would be a new "ardour" package which Obsoletes the planetccrma ardour2 package. This may be a little more work but it... a) enables parallel installs for planetccrma users b) provides a natural, clean upgrade path for everybody This is somewhat similar to how Fedora handles shipping older versions of gcc in parallel with the system compiler. The latest compiler package is always "gcc". AG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: green.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 163 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed May 2 22:54:50 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 15:54:50 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Ardour 2.0 for FC7? In-Reply-To: <4638F547.2010100@redhat.com> References: <1178088819.22896.274.camel@pc047.qadoc.oslo.opera.com> <4638A94A.3050908@redhat.com> <1178124384.14590.9.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <4638F547.2010100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1178146490.14590.59.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 13:32 -0700, Anthony Green wrote: > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > If we keep the "ardour" package name in Extras and transition that > > package to 2.x, how can Planet CCRMA be compatible with that? I can't do > > anything on my side, I think (the ardour2 packages have been out there > > for a while and are installed in machines all over the place). Would the > > package in Extras include some kind of Obsoletes:/Provides: for that? (I > > doubt it... :-) > > We could definitely Obsolete the ardour2 package in a new ardour package. > > > For something as crucial to a recording studio as Ardour I'd rather have > > both installed side by side and test 2.x until I'm comfortable that it > > is working fine. That's not possible if the package name is ardour, > > right? > > True. In theory, both ccrma and fedora could provide upgrade paths from > the current ardour package. The planetccrma package would be an > "ardour0" package containing the 0.99.3 release which Obsoletes ardour, > and the fedora package would be a new "ardour" package which Obsoletes > the planetccrma ardour2 package. This may be a little more work but it... > a) enables parallel installs for planetccrma users > b) provides a natural, clean upgrade path for everybody > This is somewhat similar to how Fedora handles shipping older versions > of gcc in parallel with the system compiler. The latest compiler > package is always "gcc". Yes, this sounds like a workable solution. Maybe ardour0 is indeed overkill and everybody will migrate instantly to ardour(2) which is a lot nicer in many ways. But it depends on how critical is the work you are doing, of course. Let me know when you want to roll out the new packages and we can coordinate the upgrade path on both sides... I presume you will also build for fc6, right? -- Fernando From ant at symons.net.au Thu May 3 10:07:33 2007 From: ant at symons.net.au (Ant) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 19:37:33 +0930 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Getting started? In-Reply-To: <1178124602.14590.15.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> <4638A294.3050006@online.no> <1178124602.14590.15.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1178186853.24167.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 09:50 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 16:39 +0200, Frode Petersen wrote: > > Ant skrev: > > > Ive been on this list for a while, and have noted that its been somewhat > > > quiet. So i've just googled Ardour seeing it mentioned and it looks > > > great! Ive kept googling, and there seems to be a hole where FC6 is. > > > Like many probably I currently run FC6, and according to most references > > > up to FC5 is supported, although there is a couple of mentions of FC7. > > > > > > Do the packages exist for FC6, and if so, where? Can anyone recommend a > > > couple of good apps to take a look at? > > > > > > > Try this repository: > > > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/x86_64/ > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/i386/ > > > > The link to the hompage: > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ > > Docs out of date, see: > http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrmanews/2006-November/000047.html > > Basically install "planetccrma-core" and you will get a realtime kernel, > irq ordering script, pam with realtime access enabled by default, etc, > etc (if you need/want low latency you need all that). Then > "planetccrma-apps" will get you most of the applications from both > Extras and Planet CCRMA[*]. > > -- Fernando > > [*] and "planetccrma-menus" will add a nice hierarchical menu with > sound/music apps nicely categorized, at least the ones coming from > Planet CCRMA. Wow thanks heaps for that, heaps to play with! I just did: rpm -ivh http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/i386/planetccrma-repo-1.0-3.fc6.ccrma.noarch.rpm followed by: yum install planetccrma-core planetccrma-apps planetccrma-menus resulting in: Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 270 Package(s) Update 3 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Exactly what I needed to know! :) ... 10 mins later... Bugger: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/el_GR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/el_GR/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/es_ES/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/fr_FR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/it_IT/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/it_IT/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/pt_PT/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/ru_RU/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/ru_RU/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 file /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 But thats what the current thread is about, having both versions? I also fear my video drivers will break with the rt kernel since I use the nvidia binary packages from livna. I can fix this by hand with nvidias installer, but I guess thats the problem with closed source stuff and mixing and matching from different repos. Thanks for the help, the door is open! Ant From green at redhat.com Thu May 3 12:40:06 2007 From: green at redhat.com (Anthony Green) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 05:40:06 -0700 Subject: Ardour 0.99.3 & Ardour 2 (Was: [Fedora-music-list] Getting started?) In-Reply-To: <1178186853.24167.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> <4638A294.3050006@online.no> <1178124602.14590.15.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1178186853.24167.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4639D826.5020308@redhat.com> Ant wrote: > Transaction Check Error: > file /usr/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 [lots deleted] > file /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > > But thats what the current thread is about, having both versions? Ugh.. I guess upstream was wrong when they said you can install both ardour 0.99.3 and ardour 2 in parallel. Nando, what do you think? One solution would be to drop the .mo files from the proposed ardour0, have it depend on ardour (2), and hope that the messages are backwards compatible. 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In-Reply-To: <4639D826.5020308@redhat.com> References: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> <4638A294.3050006@online.no> <1178124602.14590.15.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1178186853.24167.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4639D826.5020308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1178212024.20433.9.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 05:40 -0700, Anthony Green wrote: > Ant wrote: > > Transaction Check Error: > > file /usr/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > [lots deleted] > > file /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts > > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > > > > But thats what the current thread is about, having both versions? > > Ugh.. I guess upstream was wrong when they said you can install both > ardour 0.99.3 and ardour 2 in parallel. > > Nando, what do you think? One solution would be to drop the .mo files > from the proposed ardour0, have it depend on ardour (2), and hope that > the messages are backwards compatible. This is something I don't understand, looks like a bug (feature?) in yum?. I have both installed in fc6. So I erased them and tried: install both in the same transaction: fails install ardour, then install ardour2: fine install ardour2, then install ardour: fine Argh... So... install, say, ardour and then go for planetccrma-apps (I'll erase "ardour" from the meta package later - for now). -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Thu May 3 17:09:27 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:09:27 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Getting started? In-Reply-To: <1178186853.24167.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1178095119.13891.470.camel@ant.internal> <4638A294.3050006@online.no> <1178124602.14590.15.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1178186853.24167.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1178212167.20433.13.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 19:37 +0930, Ant wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 09:50 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 16:39 +0200, Frode Petersen wrote: > > > Ant skrev: > > > > Ive been on this list for a while, and have noted that its been somewhat > > > > quiet. So i've just googled Ardour seeing it mentioned and it looks > > > > great! Ive kept googling, and there seems to be a hole where FC6 is. > > > > Like many probably I currently run FC6, and according to most references > > > > up to FC5 is supported, although there is a couple of mentions of FC7. > > > > > > > > Do the packages exist for FC6, and if so, where? Can anyone recommend a > > > > couple of good apps to take a look at? > > > > > > > > > > Try this repository: > > > > > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/x86_64/ > > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/i386/ > > > > > > The link to the hompage: > > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ > > > > Docs out of date, see: > > http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrmanews/2006-November/000047.html > > > > Basically install "planetccrma-core" and you will get a realtime kernel, > > irq ordering script, pam with realtime access enabled by default, etc, > > etc (if you need/want low latency you need all that). Then > > "planetccrma-apps" will get you most of the applications from both > > Extras and Planet CCRMA[*]. > > > > [*] and "planetccrma-menus" will add a nice hierarchical menu with > > sound/music apps nicely categorized, at least the ones coming from > > Planet CCRMA. > > Wow thanks heaps for that, heaps to play with! > > I just did: > > rpm -ivh > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/i386/planetccrma-repo-1.0-3.fc6.ccrma.noarch.rpm > > followed by: > > yum install planetccrma-core planetccrma-apps planetccrma-menus > > resulting in: > > Transaction Summary > ============================================================================= > Install 270 Package(s) > Update 3 Package(s) > Remove 0 Package(s) > > Exactly what I needed to know! :) > > ... 10 mins later... > > Bugger: > > Transaction Check Error: > file /usr/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/el_GR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/el_GR/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/es_ES/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/fr_FR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/it_IT/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/it_IT/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/pt_PT/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/ru_RU/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/ru_RU/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/gtk_ardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > file /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/libardour.mo conflicts > between attempted installs of ardour2-2.0-1.fc6.ccrma and > ardour-0.99.3-8.fc6 > > But thats what the current thread is about, having both versions? For some reason yum barfs on installing both, but yum installing them separately succeeds, so for now do: yum install ardour yum install planetccrma-apps > I also > fear my video drivers will break with the rt kernel since I use the > nvidia binary packages from livna. I can fix this by hand with nvidias > installer, but I guess thats the problem with closed source stuff and > mixing and matching from different repos. I think some users have had success with rebuilding the glue layer on nvidia's driver with the Planet CCRMA rt kernel but I have not done it myself (you'll need to install the proper kernel-rt-devel package for that to work). -- Fernando From andersvi at extern.uio.no Thu May 31 10:38:09 2007 From: andersvi at extern.uio.no (andersvi at extern.uio.no) Date: 31 May 2007 12:38:09 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Announce: MAMMUT v.0.59 Message-ID: -------------------- Start of forwarded message -------------------- Delivery-date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:20:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:20:00 +0200 From: asbjorn blokkum flo To: Anders Vinjar Subject: mammut -------------- next part -------------- NOTAM Nedre gate 5 N-0551 Oslo Norway *FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE* Contact Information: Company name: NOTAM email address: admin at notam02.no NOTAM Web site address: http://www.notam02.no/notam02/english.html Mammut Web site address: http://www.notam02.no/notam02/prod-prg-mammut-e.html Telephone: (+47) 22 35 80 60 Fax: (+47) 22 35 80 61 *NOTAM releases Mammut version 0.59 free sound processing software. * Oslo, Norway May 30, 2007. NOTAM, the Norwegian production centre for work with sound, has released a new version (0.59) of NOTAMs Mammut software for Mac OSX, Windows and Linux. The new version of this unique frequency-based sound processing software brings performance improvements and major user interaction enhancements. For composers, sound designers, experimental musicians or producers looking for a new approach to sound creation and manipulation, Mammut delivers a unique way of working with sound in the frequency domain. Mammut will do a frequency analysis of your sound in one single gigantic FFT analysis (no windows). These spectral data, where the development in time is incorporated in mysterious ways, may then be transformed by different algorithms. An interesting aspect of Mammut is its completely non-intuitive sound transformation approach. Different transforms can be applied to the spectrum, such as nonlinear stretching, spectrum shift, convolution, filtering and permutation. 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NOTAM, the Norwegian production centre for work with sound, has released a new version (1.1.1) of NOTAMs DSP02 software for Mac OSX, Windows, Linux and web-based use. The new version of DSP02 brings performance improvements and user interaction enhancements as well as support for Intel Mac. For educators, composers, musicians, and others working with children, who are looking for a creative, student-oriented method for teaching sound creation and manipulation. DSP02 delivers a simple, user-friendly way of mixing, editing, and sound processing in one package. *DSP2 as a tool for learning* DSP02 is designed for a non-linear approach to composition, and allows students to develop compositions free from musical conventions and stylistic blueprints. The creative impulse is at the center of the tools, which through easy interactivity allows free, non-restricted exploration of what the software tools can be used for. DSP02 is published on a website which also contains a large number of help- and tutorial texts, as well as musical examples and tasks that can be developed by using the provided samples library. This makes the website into a comprehensive educational tool for composition with electronic sound. /DSP02 is particularly well suited for young composers from 5th to 10th grade. / DSP02 includes a large number of synthesis and sound processing tools for various types of sound design, traditional and non-traditional, such as sound editor, mixer, FM synthesis, additive synthesis, time stretch, 4 types of filters, chorus/vibrato/flanger, ring modulation, harmonizer, reverb, delay, formant synthesis, guitar string synthesis, spectral sieve, spectrum shift, and different algorithms for machine composition. *DSP02 is free, and can be downloaded for OSX, Windows and Linux from: *http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/index.php?page=317 DSP02 - for educators, composers, musicians, and others working with children, looking for an easy way to learn sound creation and manipulation, DSP2 delivers a simple and user friendly way of working with sound synthesis, sound manipulation and mixing in one package. *For more information, visit their web site at: *http://www.notam02.no/notam02/prod-prg-dsp02-e.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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