From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Sep 5 17:28:23 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] [Fwd: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9] Message-ID: <1220635703.15522.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Would it be possible for someone to pick this up and follow through? I'm completely off the loop of the new compiling process in Fedora and I just came back from teaching in Berlin for 5 months, my schedule is completely completely full.... Thanks! -- Fernando -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: bugzilla at redhat.com To: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Subject: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:26:22 -0400 Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440736 --- Comment #7 from FTBFS 2008-09-05 12:26:22 EDT --- This package has Failed to Build From Source for many months. Per http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FTBFS, this package is now proposed for removal from the distribution. Please address this FTBFS bug immediately, or this package will be removed from the distribution within the next few weeks. Thank you for your continued contributions to Fedora, and your commitment to ensuring Fedora packages remain buildable from source code. From michel.sylvan at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 19:09:33 2008 From: michel.sylvan at gmail.com (Michel Salim) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:09:33 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] [Fwd: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9] In-Reply-To: <1220635703.15522.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1220635703.15522.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I can take a look at it later today. Cheers, -- Michel On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > Would it be possible for someone to pick this up and follow through? I'm > completely off the loop of the new compiling process in Fedora and I > just came back from teaching in Berlin for 5 months, my schedule is > completely completely full.... > > Thanks! > -- Fernando > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: bugzilla at redhat.com > To: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU > Subject: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:26:22 -0400 > > Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional > comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440736 > > > --- Comment #7 from FTBFS 2008-09-05 12:26:22 EDT --- > This package has Failed to Build From Source for many months. Per > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FTBFS, this package is now proposed for > removal from the distribution. Please address this FTBFS bug > immediately, or this package will be removed from the distribution > within the next few weeks. > > Thank you for your continued contributions to Fedora, and your > commitment to ensuring Fedora packages remain buildable from source > code. > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-music-list mailing list > Fedora-music-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list > -- Michel Salim http://hircus.jaiku.com/ From j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl Sat Sep 6 09:59:55 2008 From: j.w.r.degoede at hhs.nl (Hans de Goede) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:59:55 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] [Fwd: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9] In-Reply-To: References: <1220635703.15522.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C2549B.3010503@hhs.nl> Michel Salim wrote: > I can take a look at it later today. > Good, Let me know if you can't solve it then I'll take a look. Regards, Hans From michel.sylvan at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 13:11:53 2008 From: michel.sylvan at gmail.com (Michel Salim) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:11:53 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] [Fwd: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9] In-Reply-To: <48C2549B.3010503@hhs.nl> References: <1220635703.15522.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C2549B.3010503@hhs.nl> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > Michel Salim wrote: >> >> I can take a look at it later today. >> > > Good, > > Let me know if you can't solve it then I'll take a look. > I've pushed the build to the update system: the actual build failure is not complicated (qt -> qt3 renaming), but as the qt4-based 0.3.3 release is out, I figured updating to it instead would reduce the number of Qt3 applications shipped. Works on F10 just fine (modulo the currently-broken Qt/KDE anti-aliasing, ugh) Regards, -- Michel Salim http://hircus.jaiku.com/ From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 6 15:37:33 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:37:33 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] [Fwd: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9] In-Reply-To: References: <1220635703.15522.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C2549B.3010503@hhs.nl> Message-ID: <1220715453.16021.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 09:11 -0400, Michel Salim wrote: > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > > Michel Salim wrote: > >> > >> I can take a look at it later today. > >> > > > > Good, > > > > Let me know if you can't solve it then I'll take a look. > > > I've pushed the build to the update system: the actual build failure > is not complicated (qt -> qt3 renaming), but as the qt4-based 0.3.3 > release is out, I figured updating to it instead would reduce the > number of Qt3 applications shipped. > > Works on F10 just fine (modulo the currently-broken Qt/KDE anti-aliasing, ugh) Thank you very much for the fast response! And for the upgrade to 0.3.3... -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Sep 16 17:23:02 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] sound card order in fc9 Message-ID: <1221585782.14023.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to find out how to change the default order of the sound cards in Fedora 9 (_not_ account by account or using pulseaudio, just a global change so that soundcard modules are always loaded in the order I define). Googling was of no use (no threads where someone answers the original question in a meaningful way). Would someone please enlighten me?? This is what the release notes have to say: "The system-config-soundcard utility has been removed, due to numerous legacy design and implementation issues. Modern technologies, including udev and the HAL, have made certain sound cards work out of the box. Any sound card not working out of the box should be reported as a bug. Preferences can still be fine-tuned within the desktop environment, using, among others, the PulseAudio tools." Which does not seem to include what I need. I find some "magic" in /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf.dist. Who writes it there? What do I need to do to change the order? Lately I keep bumping into "downgrades" of functionality like this one. It is becoming more and more difficult to just configure things. I'm really getting frustrated. Lots of wasted time for doing what used to be "easy". -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Sep 17 19:45:10 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:45:10 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] sound card order in fc9 In-Reply-To: <1221585782.14023.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1221585782.14023.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1221680710.13023.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:23 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > I'm trying to find out how to change the default order of the sound > cards in Fedora 9 (_not_ account by account or using pulseaudio, just a > global change so that soundcard modules are always loaded in the order I > define). Googling was of no use (no threads where someone answers the > original question in a meaningful way). And furthermore, the ordering of the cards appears to be non-deterministic!! That is, in a machine with two sound cards, repeated reboots end up with different cards in the first slot! How can that be? Something is throwing dice to select the card?? End result, the machine is unusable if you have more than one soundcard on it (unless you don't mind sound coming out of different soundcards randomly). And there is no way (out of the box) to define which one is first. Hard to believe. > Would someone please enlighten me?? Got one answer of the list pointing to: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards Adding: ---- options snd slots=snd_ice1712 alias snd-card-0 snd_ice1712 ---- to /etc/modprobe.d/sound ends up with no cards loaded at all after a reboot. Doing: ---- alias snd-card-0 snd_ice1712 options snd-ice1712 index=0 ---- instead also ends up with no drivers loaded for sound, nice... I could, of course, be doing something dumb. Does anyone have a working configuration for selecting the order of sound cards using this method? What is it exactly you changed? Anyway. The loading of the kernel modules is now handled by udev. The incantation in the current default modprobe configuration file for loading soundcard drivers has a reference to an environment variable that I can't find anywhere in /etc or /usr. Another mystery. Further searches yielded: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Udev as a possible solution. A modification of the script posted there seems to work just fine. I'm attaching it and the special rules that need to be included. The sound card pci id is used to define which card is the first card. It would make more sense to look up the id by name (and read a configuration file from somewhere that has the information needed), instead of hard coding it in the script. But well, at least this makes our machines usable. Now, is anyone out there in Fedora world expecting a Fedora 9 user that has two soundcards and wants to use one of them as the primary card and the other as the secondary to figure this out by him/herself?? (this is a standard setup if you don't use the mobo soundcard because you need better quality). -- Fernando -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: alsa_name Type: application/x-perl Size: 1415 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- # sets slot ordering of alsa sound cards KERNEL=="controlC[0-9]*", DRIVERS=="sound", PROGRAM="/usr/bin/alsa_name %k", NAME="snd/%c{1}" KERNEL=="hwC[D0-9]*", DRIVERS=="sound", PROGRAM="/usr/bin/alsa_name %k", NAME="snd/%c{1}" KERNEL=="midiC[D0-9]*", DRIVERS=="sound", PROGRAM="/usr/bin/alsa_name %k", NAME="snd/%c{1}" KERNEL=="pcmC[D0-9cp]*", DRIVERS=="sound", PROGRAM="/usr/bin/alsa_name %k", NAME="snd/%c{1}" From Arnaud.Gomes at ircam.fr Wed Sep 17 22:20:52 2008 From: Arnaud.Gomes at ircam.fr (Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:20:52 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] sound card order in fc9 In-Reply-To: <1221680710.13023.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano's message of "Wed\, 17 Sep 2008 12\:45\:10 -0700") References: <1221585782.14023.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221680710.13023.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano writes: > And furthermore, the ordering of the cards appears to be > non-deterministic!! That is, in a machine with two sound cards, repeated > reboots end up with different cards in the first slot! How can that be? > Something is throwing dice to select the card?? I had this kind of problem with a M-Audio USB MIDI interface. This interface works only when it has been fed its firmware by the computer. So on the first boot, it was detected last, after the init scripts had a chance to upload the formware, whereas on subsequent reboots, the firmware was already there and the interface was detected before the PCI sound card. -- Arnaud From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Sep 17 23:16:33 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:16:33 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] sound card order in fc9 In-Reply-To: References: <1221585782.14023.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221680710.13023.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1221693393.13023.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 00:20 +0200, Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale wrote: > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano writes: > > > And furthermore, the ordering of the cards appears to be > > non-deterministic!! That is, in a machine with two sound cards, repeated > > reboots end up with different cards in the first slot! How can that be? > > Something is throwing dice to select the card?? > > I had this kind of problem with a M-Audio USB MIDI interface. This > interface works only when it has been fed its firmware by the > computer. So on the first boot, it was detected last, after the init > scripts had a chance to upload the formware, whereas on subsequent > reboots, the firmware was already there and the interface was detected > before the PCI sound card. That makes sense, of course. I don't know what could have that effect on pci cards (I did not reboot too many times but it seemed random and certainly not repeatable)... -- Fernando From Lam at Lam.pl Thu Sep 18 20:03:26 2008 From: Lam at Lam.pl (Leszek Matok) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:03:26 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] sound card order in fc9 In-Reply-To: <1221693393.13023.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1221585782.14023.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221680710.13023.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221693393.13023.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080918220326.3dc5806e@pensja.lam.pl> Dnia 2008-09-17, o godz. 16:16:33 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano napisa?(a): > I don't know what could have that effect on pci cards (I did not reboot > too many times but it seemed random and certainly not repeatable)... I have 2 PCI cards (one on-board) in this machine (F9) plus a USB camera with a microphone. Somehow the 3 "cards" never change their order. I know of only one setting being alias+index in /etc/modprobe.conf (which was set up by system-config-soundcard, I still have it installed). The exact config is: options snd cards_limit=8 alias snd-card-0 snd-ens1371 options snd-ens1371 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel index=1 alias snd-card-7 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=7 And it does work every time. So maybe you have a PCI card needing firmware? :) Lam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know of only one setting > being alias+index in /etc/modprobe.conf (which was set up by > system-config-soundcard, I still have it installed). > > The exact config is: > options snd cards_limit=8 > alias snd-card-0 snd-ens1371 > options snd-ens1371 index=0 > alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel > options snd-hda-intel index=1 > alias snd-card-7 snd-usb-audio > options snd-usb-audio index=7 > > And it does work every time. > > So maybe you have a PCI card needing firmware? :) Think of two cards/chips with the same driver, there's no way to enforce order via modprobe.conf in that constellation. Nils -- Nils Philippsen "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Red Hat a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nils at redhat.com nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From janina at rednote.net Fri Sep 19 22:25:37 2008 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:25:37 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] sound card order in fc9 In-Reply-To: References: <1221585782.14023.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1221680710.13023.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080919222537.GG5290@sonata.rednote.net> Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale writes: > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano writes: > > > And furthermore, the ordering of the cards appears to be > > non-deterministic!! That is, in a machine with two sound cards, repeated > > reboots end up with different cards in the first slot! How can that be? > > Something is throwing dice to select the card?? > > I had this kind of problem with a M-Audio USB MIDI interface. This > interface works only when it has been fed its firmware by the > computer. So on the first boot, it was detected last, after the init > scripts had a chance to upload the formware, whereas on subsequent > reboots, the firmware was already there and the interface was detected > before the PCI sound card. > I have three cards on two of my machines. I solved this problem by reintroducing /etc/modprobe.conf onto those systems, using the classic alsa syntax to order my cards the way I want them ordered. Probably not the optimal solution vis a vis where Fedora is heading, but it works for now at least. Janina > -- > Arnaud > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-music-list mailing list > Fedora-music-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina at a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina at a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From carl.a.bauer at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 20:03:32 2008 From: carl.a.bauer at gmail.com (Carl Bauer) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:32 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Re: MIDI with SB Audigy 2 ZS on F9 Message-ID: <2d7714910809211303t44982c86n4ab09542237e8019@mail.gmail.com> I thought I'd forward my post on fedora-forums to you guys. Can anyone help me? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=198240 Has anyone out there gotten midi to work on their Audigy 2 ZS live drive port in Fedora 9? Specifically with an external controller/keyboard? Thanks a bunch, Carl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: