From dtimms at iinet.net.au Sat Jan 3 12:31:35 2009 From: dtimms at iinet.net.au (David Timms) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:31:35 +1100 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Music Makers! test request for audacity (1.3.5 beta) with pulseaudio I/O support Message-ID: <495F5AA7.2050403@iinet.net.au> Hi, Audacity now supports I/O via pulseaudio, but needs wider testing. If you can: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing install audacity alsa-plugins-pulseaudio or if it isn't there yet, grab it from koji: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=76957 any comments, success or trouble can be added to: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/audacity-1.3.5-0.9.beta.fc10 Cheers, David Timms. From mschwendt at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 15:22:33 2009 From: mschwendt at gmail.com (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:22:33 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Music Makers! test request for audacity (1.3.5 beta) with pulseaudio I/O support In-Reply-To: <495F5AA7.2050403@iinet.net.au> References: <495F5AA7.2050403@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20090103162233.a22ec2a7.mschwendt@gmail.com> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:31:35 +1100, David wrote: > Hi, > > Audacity now supports I/O via pulseaudio, but needs wider testing. If > you can: > yum --enablerepo=updates-testing install audacity alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > > or if it isn't there yet, grab it from koji: > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=76957 > > any comments, success or trouble can be added to: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/audacity-1.3.5-0.9.beta.fc10 Latency. Noisy clicks during playback. Flickering input/output levels, and a playback time indicator that doesn't move smoothly. I still think Audacity upstream should have been asked prior to applying this patch. From earthworm at planetearthworm.com Mon Jan 19 12:16:24 2009 From: earthworm at planetearthworm.com (earthworm at planetearthworm.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:16:24 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? Message-ID: Am I right to think that F10 is in a bad way when it comes to music production? Reading around, it sounds like good things nearly happened, and the whole of CCRMA nearly made it into this new Fedora Unity thing. On the face of it, that'd be great, and I could install my RT kernel, FFADO, Jackd, and Hydrogen/Ardour easily. It sounds like the RT patches aren't maintained though, is this right? This pretty much shafts the whole of music production on Linux doesn't it? Won't new versions of Ubuntu and everything else be screwed over by this? I'm feeling really let down by this. I can go back to F9, but what a faff. I thought if I waited a while after release, all would be well. And what about when F9 stops getting security updates? Any news on the state of play, and whether its likely to change would be great. Ta, Gaz From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Jan 21 19:45:27 2009 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:45:27 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:16 +0000, earthworm at planetearthworm.com wrote: > Am I right to think that F10 is in a bad way when it comes to music > production? Not any more than fc9, I think. > Reading around, it sounds like good things nearly happened, and the whole > of CCRMA nearly made it into this new Fedora Unity thing. Uh? First I hear about this... Unity? > On the face of it, that'd be great, and I could install my RT kernel, > FFADO, Jackd, and Hydrogen/Ardour easily. They all install fine from Planet CCRMA / Fedora for fc10 (but see below). With the Planet CCRMA kernel and fc10 I got an edirol fa-101 to work fine. Sigh. Firewire. Fedora. Sigh. Faado will only work with the Planet CCRMA kernel because the Fedora kernel still insists in shipping with the new stack only. Read this, written on Dec 2008: http://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration >From that page: "Don't use the new drivers in Linux kernel versions older than 2.6.27.5. They are too buggy. Regarding Linux 2.6.27.5 and later, the best advice to Linux distributors (kernel packagers) as well as to regular users is: Either build only the old IEEE 1394 drivers, or build both stacks as modules but make sure that only one of them (the one you want) is being loaded. I.e. create proper blacklist entries in /etc/modprobe.conf; see below. Also, you need to upgrade your userland to libraw1394 v2 if you want to switch to the new drivers (or freely between old and new drivers)." Of course Fedora broke this a long long time ago. Fc7, I think. It is now fc10 and audio firewire support is still broken. By now any users needing firewire audio with Planet CCRMA have probably migrated away to better lands, so who cares anyway. At least libraw1394 is now 2.x and it can work transparently with both stacks (even more hacks were needed before fc10). > It sounds like the RT patches aren't maintained though, is this right? Yes and no. There are two "official" patches for 2.6.24.x and 2.6.26.x kernels. The former is the most stable but too old a kernel to actually work with fc9 and fc10 (X dies). And there are no patches for 2.6.27.x and beyond. Work is underway (AFAIK) on a new rt tree so we may see a new set of patches in the 2.6.28.x timeframe. In the meanwhile 2.6.26.x has seen a few crucial fixes happen recently, most notably a fix for the long standing broken midi i/o. There are still issues and I have seen it lock hard. Hope this helps clarify the situation. -- Fernando > This pretty much shafts the whole of music production on Linux doesn't > it? Won't new versions of Ubuntu and everything else be screwed over by > this? > > I'm feeling really let down by this. I can go back to F9, but what a > faff. I thought if I waited a while after release, all would be well. > And what about when F9 stops getting security updates? > > Any news on the state of play, and whether its likely to change would be > great. From jarod at redhat.com Wed Jan 21 20:18:27 2009 From: jarod at redhat.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:18:27 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200901211518.27766.jarod@redhat.com> On Wednesday 21 January 2009 14:45:27 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > Sigh. Firewire. Fedora. Sigh. Faado will only work with the Planet CCRMA > kernel because the Fedora kernel still insists in shipping with the new > stack only The new stack beats the pants off the old one in pretty much every single area except this one. In a pinch, you can replaced *just* the firewire drivers in the Fedora kernel w/o having to use an entirely different kernel. Note that as of 2.6.30, I believe ffado should work just fine with the new firewire stack (based on a discussion I vaguely recall on the linux1394 mailing list). Quite a bit of work has gone into libraw1394, libiec61883 and the firewire drivers in the past month. -- Jarod Wilson jarod at redhat.com From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Thu Jan 22 03:12:45 2009 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:12:45 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <200901211518.27766.jarod@redhat.com> References: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200901211518.27766.jarod@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1232593965.12167.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 15:18 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 21 January 2009 14:45:27 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > Sigh. Firewire. Fedora. Sigh. Faado will only work with the Planet CCRMA > > kernel because the Fedora kernel still insists in shipping with the new > > stack only > > The new stack beats the pants off the old one in pretty much every single > area except this one. Very irrelevant for firewire audio interface users. In any particular distribution there is always a tradeoff between having the latest shiny stuff and having it also work (ie: how bleeding edge is the combination of packages and capabilities that make up a distro). I don't think I have seen many cases (well, any) where a distro bricks a whole class of hardware devices (ie: they were working before the "upgrade" and they don't work after the "upgrade") and does not fix it. Even after users complain. Specially if all those devices remain useless bricks for several releases. The message is clear, I got it: if you want working firewire audio devices go somewhere else[*]. Or hack your system in several unsupportable ways. I tried doing that for quite a while for Planet CCRMA, eventually gave up. Actually, I'd be surprised if there were _any_ audio users left using Fedora and Planet CCRMA that need to use firewire audio interfaces. They probably left a long time ago. Because you see, it did not work and it does not work, and that _is_ important. For those users, the performance and advantages of the new stack are NIL. > In a pinch, you can replaced *just* the firewire > drivers in the Fedora kernel w/o having to use an entirely different kernel. Sigh. I'm not replacing the kernel because the firewire drivers are not working. I am replacing the kernel because I need a low latency kernel for critical audio work, and Fedora does not and will not provide that. As a side effect firewire audio devices work. And that is possible without further ugly hacks because fc10 includes libraw1394 2.x. Before, for a long time, the hacks multiplied (incompatible libraries to begin with!!! - meaning it is not possible to boot into the two different stacks!). "In a pinch" Fedora should have provided that from the beginning. If it could not it should have delayed the release till _now_, when we are _beginning_ to see a stack and libraries stable enough for use with the juju broken hardware (and specially libraries that can deal with both stacks - those appeared only in fc10). And Fedora could/should have provided a migration path. This has been beaten to death many times before, I don't know why I'm bothering to write this response. > Note that as of 2.6.30, I believe ffado should work just fine with the > new firewire stack (based on a discussion I vaguely recall on the > linux1394 mailing list). Quite a bit of work has gone into libraw1394, > libiec61883 and the firewire drivers in the past month. Maybe it will work. Maybe not. But right now and for the past 3 releases it has not worked. Sure, eventually it will work. And it will be fantastic. But there will be nobody left to use them in the Fedora world except for new users (till _they_ get burned by who knows what new interesting future idea of progress...). How many _years_ would _you_ wait for a solution if a distro willingly bricked a device you needed? Sorry, I appreciate the work you put into this, just don't tell me how good is something that is actually useless for me. -- Fernando [*] Look, I'm still around because I do not currently _depend_ on firewire devices for my machines (look up CCRMA, around 50 linux high performance fanless audio workstations running Fedora plus the associated servers, etc, etc). If I did, I probably would have migrated away a long time ago. And to tell the truth I will stay around only while the pain associated with staying is lower than the pain associated with a migration, and lately the pain gap seems to be getting smaller (and also because I know that the grass is not always greener somewhere else... but you know, sometimes it actually is). From hcengar at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 03:47:33 2009 From: hcengar at gmail.com (Hector Centeno) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:47:33 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <1232593965.12167.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200901211518.27766.jarod@redhat.com> <1232593965.12167.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <695e1a650901211947he4217fdn5e7cc433b697fbfd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > Actually, I'd be surprised if there were _any_ audio users left using > Fedora and Planet CCRMA that need to use firewire audio interfaces. They > probably left a long time ago. Because you see, it did not work and it > does not work, and that _is_ important. For those users, the performance > and advantages of the new stack are NIL. > Unfortunately (for me at least) you can count me as one of them. I miss enjoying the fruits of Fernado's work a lot since he provides exactly the tools I'm interested in using, but Fedora became useless and remains to be like that to me because: 1) I have a firewire device, and 2) The latest RT kernel locks up a lot. For now I'll stick to OpenSuse 11.0 which seems to be performing quite well although the package maintenance is a little bit messy and I have to build my own pd-extended (sigh!). Hope things get better. Hector From jarod at redhat.com Thu Jan 22 17:01:44 2009 From: jarod at redhat.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <1232593965.12167.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200901211518.27766.jarod@redhat.com> <1232593965.12167.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200901221201.44995.jarod@redhat.com> On Wednesday 21 January 2009 22:12:45 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 15:18 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: > > On Wednesday 21 January 2009 14:45:27 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > Sigh. Firewire. Fedora. Sigh. Faado will only work with the Planet CCRMA > > > kernel because the Fedora kernel still insists in shipping with the new > > > stack only > > > > The new stack beats the pants off the old one in pretty much every single > > area except this one. > > Very irrelevant for firewire audio interface users. No, I know. I misread your mail slightly, didn't catch the "only" at the end of "new stack only", I read it as "insists on shipping with the new stack". > > In a pinch, you can replaced *just* the firewire > > drivers in the Fedora kernel w/o having to use an entirely different kernel. > > Sigh. > > I'm not replacing the kernel because the firewire drivers are not > working. I am replacing the kernel because I need a low latency kernel > for critical audio work, and Fedora does not and will not provide that. > As a side effect firewire audio devices work. Right, sorry, forgot about that part. I know next to nothing about firewire audio devices, probably should just keep quiet. ;) I do have an ffado mixer working w/a basic m-audio device (or so it seems), but that's about as much as I've done on this front... > And that is possible > without further ugly hacks because fc10 includes libraw1394 2.x. Before, > for a long time, the hacks multiplied (incompatible libraries to begin > with!!! - meaning it is not possible to boot into the two different > stacks!). I could have sworn there was an F9 dual-mode libraw1394, but yeah, it seems F10 is the first Fedora w/it. :\ > "In a pinch" Fedora should have provided that from the beginning. If it > could not it should have delayed the release till _now_, when we are > _beginning_ to see a stack and libraries stable enough for use with the > juju broken hardware (and specially libraries that can deal with both > stacks - those appeared only in fc10). And Fedora could/should have > provided a migration path. Yeah, we kinda botched it badly all over the place -- both in Fedora and in assorted upstream places. Shipping both stacks for a while with dual-mode libs would have been a much better approach. I didn't realize myself just how screwy things were until they'd already been done (F8 time frame), but at the same time, probably should have tried to do more about it when I did. Unfortunately, the bulk of my day job isn't focused on firewire, I do most firewire stuff on my own time. > This has been beaten to death many times before, I don't know why I'm > bothering to write this response. Apologies for striking a nerve. > > Note that as of 2.6.30, I believe ffado should work just fine with the > > new firewire stack (based on a discussion I vaguely recall on the > > linux1394 mailing list). Quite a bit of work has gone into libraw1394, > > libiec61883 and the firewire drivers in the past month. > > Maybe it will work. Maybe not. But right now and for the past 3 releases > it has not worked. Sure, eventually it will work. And it will be > fantastic. But there will be nobody left to use them in the Fedora world > except for new users (till _they_ get burned by who knows what new > interesting future idea of progress...). > > How many _years_ would _you_ wait for a solution if a distro willingly > bricked a device you needed? > > Sorry, I appreciate the work you put into this, just don't tell me how > good is something that is actually useless for me. Point taken, and I do hear you. MythTV with FireWire cable boxes didn't work at all w/the new stack until I finally had some free time to really dig into *why* it didn't work and author the necessary fixes myself. Since I wasn't actually depending on my cable box to record stuff, and users who *were* depending on their cable boxes could still get the old drivers, the problem languished for way longer than it should have. The bulk of attention given to the new stack was on the storage side, mostly because that's the primary use case for RHEL. So that side has been rock-solid and performs outstandingly, but the less common use cases have indeed suffered mightily, and unfortunately, most of the folks with the expertise to get the loose ends tied up have been tied up with other things... :( So yeah. We (Fedora) botched this transition pretty badly. I'm hopeful that we'll finally have everything that worked in the old stack working with the new stack by F11 (in addition to all the things it does better). > [*] Look, I'm still around because I do not currently _depend_ on > firewire devices for my machines (look up CCRMA, around 50 linux high > performance fanless audio workstations running Fedora plus the > associated servers, etc, etc). If I did, I probably would have migrated > away a long time ago. And to tell the truth I will stay around only > while the pain associated with staying is lower than the pain associated > with a migration, and lately the pain gap seems to be getting smaller > (and also because I know that the grass is not always greener somewhere > else... but you know, sometimes it actually is). Here's hoping we can continue minimizing the pain gap! -- Jarod Wilson jarod at redhat.com From earthworm at planetearthworm.com Thu Jan 22 20:08:42 2009 From: earthworm at planetearthworm.com (Gareth Foster) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:08:42 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232654922.3624.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 11:45 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > Uh? First I hear about this... Unity? > Oops, I meant this http://rpmfusion.org/ Has CCRMA merged into that? > "Don't use the new drivers in Linux kernel versions older than 2.6.27.5. > They are too buggy. > I've heard all about that from the FFADO bloke. He wasn't amused either. > Yes and no. There are two "official" patches for 2.6.24.x and 2.6.26.x > kernels. The former is the most stable but too old a kernel to actually > work with fc9 and fc10 (X dies). And there are no patches for 2.6.27.x Sigh. Sounds like I've no choice but to use the one that locks up all the time. I think its great you're kicking up a fuss anyway Fernando, making music on Fedora could be a real selling point for the distro. Its something we can do really well, even compared to Windows, Ardour and the like are great tools. And look at the support FFADO is getting from hardware makers! That never happens in Linux! I think it'd be great if CCRMA was in fusion. If the RT kernel was in there too. If all the kernel modules were built for this too, that'd be a bonus. Thanks again for all the info. I've not been driven away from Fedora and CCRMA just yet :) Ta, Gaz From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jan 23 01:37:31 2009 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:37:31 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] F10 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <1232654922.3624.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1232567127.3058.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1232654922.3624.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232674651.3182.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 20:08 +0000, Gareth Foster wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 11:45 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > Uh? First I hear about this... Unity? > > Oops, I meant this http://rpmfusion.org/ > Has CCRMA merged into that? Nope. > > "Don't use the new drivers in Linux kernel versions older than 2.6.27.5. > > They are too buggy. > > > > I've heard all about that from the FFADO bloke. He wasn't amused either. > > > Yes and no. There are two "official" patches for 2.6.24.x and 2.6.26.x > > kernels. The former is the most stable but too old a kernel to actually > > work with fc9 and fc10 (X dies). And there are no patches for 2.6.27.x > > Sigh. Sounds like I've no choice but to use the one that locks up all > the time. You should give the latest one I released a try. Maybe it will lock less frequently, it has a couple of fixes for BUG warnings :-) That would be 2.6.26.8-1.rt13.4... It all depends on your usage patterns and your hardware, it might be also an option to run the Fedora kernel. Hopefully we will have a better rt patch in the 2.6.28 timeframe, but I have not heard anything (loud) yet. -- Fernando > I think its great you're kicking up a fuss anyway Fernando, making music > on Fedora could be a real selling point for the distro. Its something we > can do really well, even compared to Windows, Ardour and the like are > great tools. And look at the support FFADO is getting from hardware > makers! That never happens in Linux! > > I think it'd be great if CCRMA was in fusion. If the RT kernel was in > there too. If all the kernel modules were built for this too, that'd be > a bonus. > > Thanks again for all the info. I've not been driven away from Fedora and > CCRMA just yet :) From oget.fedora at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 04:09:35 2009 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:09:35 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Hello (new fedora-music member) Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Orcan Ogetbil. I am a theoretical physicist, recently graduated from Penn State University. I have been using Redhat Linux/Fedora since Redhat 7.2 . I play mainly bass, also guitar and some percussion and I compose in my free time. Here you can find some of my work (sorry, mp3 only): http://www.phys.psu.edu/~oogetbil/music I have been using ardour+hydrogen quite extensively (the above work is done entirely with these applications) and PlanetCCRMA has been one of my most frequent stops to obtain kernel-rt and audio applications. I recently started packaging for Fedora. My packages include tuxguitar, hydrogen-drumkits, TSE3, musixtex, kguitar; where the last two are awaiting review. Until today, I wasn't aware of the existence of such a SIG. Actually, I was thinking of starting such a SIG lately. It looks like I am a little late. Very well... Before sending this email, I did some work on the wiki, mainly created some tables to ease the categorization of sound applications. I will work on it more, but it will make things a lot easier for me if everybody adds his/her audio application to the relevant table. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreation Also, if you have an audio creation application awaiting a review, please put it on the second table. It will attract more attention and this way we can get our applications faster into Fedora. I will add to the wishlist in the following days as I made a list of interesting audio applications that would be good to include in Fedora. Please feel free to modify/add to/improve/undo what I did in the wiki. Orcan From oget.fedora at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 04:26:03 2009 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:26:03 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Hydrogen 0.9.4-beta2 Message-ID: Hi, I made an SRPM with a recent hydrogen svn checkout. Hydrogen is now ported to qt4 and has quite nice new features. Here you can find the SRPM if you want to try it out: http://oget.fedorapeople.org/hydrogen/ I am still working on this together with the upstream. Since the application looks quite stable and works fine, I wanted to submit this to rawhide and F-10 testing (I'm sure, quite a lot of users will be interested in this). I became a co-maintainer of hydrogen through pkgdb but since the package building scheme changed a lot (to scons) I didn't want to do this without the approval of the primary maintainer, Anthony Green. I sent an email to him last week about this but I didn't get a reply. Does anyone know of his whereabouts? I don't know him very well, he doesn't come to IRC. Would he mind if I update hydrogen in rawhide and F-10 testing? Cheers, Orcan From phil at pricom.com.au Wed Jan 28 04:31:29 2009 From: phil at pricom.com.au (Philip Rhoades) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:31:29 +1100 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Hello (new fedora-music member) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497FDFA1.5070106@pricom.com.au> Orcan, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > Hello, > I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Orcan Ogetbil. I am a > theoretical physicist, recently graduated from Penn State University. > I have been using Redhat Linux/Fedora since Redhat 7.2 . I play mainly > bass, also guitar and some percussion and I compose in my free time. > Here you can find some of my work (sorry, mp3 only): > > http://www.phys.psu.edu/~oogetbil/music > > I have been using ardour+hydrogen quite extensively (the above work is > done entirely with these applications) and PlanetCCRMA has been one of > my most frequent stops to obtain kernel-rt and audio applications. > > I recently started packaging for Fedora. My packages include > tuxguitar, hydrogen-drumkits, TSE3, musixtex, kguitar; where the last > two are awaiting review. Until today, I wasn't aware of the existence > of such a SIG. Actually, I was thinking of starting such a SIG lately. > It looks like I am a little late. Very well... > > Before sending this email, I did some work on the wiki, mainly created > some tables to ease the categorization of sound applications. I will > work on it more, but it will make things a lot easier for me if > everybody adds his/her audio application to the relevant table. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreation > > Also, if you have an audio creation application awaiting a review, > please put it on the second table. It will attract more attention and > this way we can get our applications faster into Fedora. > > I will add to the wishlist in the following days as I made a list of > interesting audio applications that would be good to include in > Fedora. I want something like Hyperscore (http://www.hyperscore.com) for Linux! Apparently it would be very hard to do . . Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: phil at pricom.com.au From oget.fedora at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 19:55:29 2009 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:55:29 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Re: Hello (new fedora-music member) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > Before sending this email, I did some work on the wiki, mainly created > some tables to ease the categorization of sound applications. I will > work on it more, but it will make things a lot easier for me if > everybody adds his/her audio application to the relevant table. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreation > Today, I revised PlanetCCRMA's muse and submitted it to Fedora, CC'ing Fernando: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483301 I saw that no one entered any information to the wiki yet, although I thought I made it very easy. Is this SIG dead? Is there anyone else working now, besides me? If you think that entering your existing audio creation software package information to the wiki is too much work, can you please give me the package name(s) that you maintain so I can do it for you? Thanks, Orcan From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jan 30 22:57:01 2009 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:57:01 -0800 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Re: Hello (new fedora-music member) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1233356221.4882.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 14:55 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > > > Before sending this email, I did some work on the wiki, mainly created > > some tables to ease the categorization of sound applications. I will > > work on it more, but it will make things a lot easier for me if > > everybody adds his/her audio application to the relevant table. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreation > > > > Today, I revised PlanetCCRMA's muse and submitted it to Fedora, CC'ing Fernando: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483301 Thanks! Moving things from Planet CCRMA to Fedora is a good thing. Let me know if you would be interested in other packages, I could make a wish list... > I saw that no one entered any information to the wiki yet, although I > thought I made it very easy. > > Is this SIG dead? Is there anyone else working now, besides me? The SIG is hopefully not dead :-) Most probably other contributors have not had time to catch up yet... Kudos for your help! -- Fernando > If you think that entering your existing audio creation software > package information to the wiki is too much work, can you please give > me the package name(s) that you maintain so I can do it for you? From oget.fedora at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 23:44:32 2009 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Re: Hello (new fedora-music member) In-Reply-To: <1233356221.4882.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1233356221.4882.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 14:55 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> > >> > Before sending this email, I did some work on the wiki, mainly created >> > some tables to ease the categorization of sound applications. I will >> > work on it more, but it will make things a lot easier for me if >> > everybody adds his/her audio application to the relevant table. >> > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreation >> > >> >> Today, I revised PlanetCCRMA's muse and submitted it to Fedora, CC'ing Fernando: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483301 > > Thanks! > Moving things from Planet CCRMA to Fedora is a good thing. Let me know > if you would be interested in other packages, I could make a wish > list... > Greetings Fernando! Being a big fan of PlanetCCRMA, I would be happy to be a part of this integration. There are many packages that can be moved to Fedora and there are some packages that would lose functionality if they are moved. As an example, qtractor can be compiled against libmad which we don't have at Fedora because of legal issues. Having an MP3 decoding capability is significant and I (personally) don't want to lose this capability. I am also an RPMFusion contributor. One of our goals at RPMFusion is to merge as many repositories together (hence the name "fusion") to minimize the inter-repository incompatibilities. I would be glad to assist you if you decide to move those patent/license encumbered packages to RPMFusion in the future. As for the wishlist, could you add them to the Wishlist in the wiki page (I gave the link above) if you have access? I don't know about all the packages at PlanetCCRMA (there are a lot :) ) and having a wishlist with brief summaries for each entry will hopefully catch more attention from our SIG members. If you don't have wiki access, you can send your list to me and I will add them to the wiki. Cheers, Orcan From bloch at verdurin.com Sat Jan 31 12:44:26 2009 From: bloch at verdurin.com (Adam Huffman) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:44:26 +0000 Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Re: Hello (new fedora-music member) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090131124426.GA4238@shuttle.verdurin.salon> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 02:55:29PM -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > > > Before sending this email, I did some work on the wiki, mainly created > > some tables to ease the categorization of sound applications. I will > > work on it more, but it will make things a lot easier for me if > > everybody adds his/her audio application to the relevant table. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreation > > > > Today, I revised PlanetCCRMA's muse and submitted it to Fedora, CC'ing Fernando: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483301 > > I saw that no one entered any information to the wiki yet, although I > thought I made it very easy. > > Is this SIG dead? Is there anyone else working now, besides me? > > If you think that entering your existing audio creation software > package information to the wiki is too much work, can you please give > me the package name(s) that you maintain so I can do it for you? > Have added a couple of packages I'm interested in - would be willing to package them but I need to finish a couple of other packages first. Adam