From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 2 16:16:33 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:16:33 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 81 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704020916n6df6ffdbgda4ecb4032f1cf63@mail.gmail.com> = Fedora Weekly News Issue 81 = http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue81 Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 81 for the week of March 25th through March 31st, 2007. The latest issue can always be found [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue here]. == Announcements and Fedora Board == === Fedora 7 Test 3 Announcement === The third of four test releases for Fedora 7 was announced by JeremyKatz in [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-March/msg00003.html fedora-announce-list]. Fedora 7 Test 3 is packaged initially as a Desktop/Development Workstation/Server implementation, called "Prime". This spin is delivered in DVD ISO format only. This test release includes an i386 ISO for a Desktop Live CD. This Live CD features the ability to install to a hard disk using the same graphical Anaconda installer as the non-live CD variant. This test release also includes an x86_64 ISO for a Desktop Live image. Due to size, this requires a DVD. As with the i386 Live image, the ability to install to a hard disk is available. This test release features a new i386 ISO for a KDE Live CD. Note that as of this writing, this ISO is only available via bittorrent. It should be available via the mirrors in the near future. (Editor's Note: It's now available from [http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/6.92/ Fedora Download Site] and [http://rhold.fedoraproject.org/Download/mirrors.html Mirror Sites].) === Board Meeting: 2007-03-27 === MaxSpevack reports in [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-March/msg00279.html fedora-advisory-board], the first 40 minutes of the meeting was spent talking with Donald Fischer, Red Hat's VP of Online Services. One of the things that was discussed is that Fedora 7 allows a group like Donald's all the tools necessary to put together an "Experimental Desktop" spin anytime they want, which can be really useful for testing and getting their ideas into people's hands in a very consumable way. JeremyKatz indicated that LiveUSB keys are close to becoming a reality. It is Jeremy's decision as to whether we can do a LiveUSB key or just plain LiveCD for the [http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2007/ Red Hat Summit]. MaxSpevack summarized his recent conversation with ThorstenLeemhuis in which they discussed the fact that the Fedora Board is inadvertantly poaching some of the topics that are more appropriately discussed by [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/SteeringCommittee FESCo]. == Developments == === Presto Debut Shows Great Promise === Presto is a yum plugin that uses ''deltas'', or small changes, between software packages to increase the speed users obtain updates. AhmedKamal and Jonathan Dieter took the initiative to adopt and modify an implementation originally developed within Red Hat and targetted for Red Hat RHN web service. The yum plugin uses delta packages when available. Presto debuted on [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01405.html on March24th] . The Presto [https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/presto/wiki/WikiStart project] seeks testers using i386 FC6 systems. RahulSundaram [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01765.html reported around 74%] savings in download size for an update using this method. The plugin is planned to be packaged in Fedora, and mirrors can be encouraged to make delta packages available so that more users will test it. === Missing /dev/hdX Devices? === A query from a Fedora 7 development branch tester about why there was no longer a `/dev/hda` on his system was [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01455.html answered] by WillWoods with the information that rawhide is using a new libata that passes all devices (PATA/IDE and SATA subsystems) through the SCSI layer so that all disk devices are now referenced as `/dev/sdX`. === FC6 NetworkManager Gets Some Love === A discussion about why NM was being built against dbus-0.93 but is currently running with dbus-1.0.1 morphed into an investigation of why NM keeps on asking for the user's password [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01458.html each time the WEP key is needed]. When it was asserted that this had become even more intrusive in rawhide with prompting at each suspend/resume, Richard Hughes explained that this was a design decision for security where gnome-power-manager tells gnome-keyring to lock on suspend. After some discussion, Richard Hughes [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01493.html decided] to add a gconf option to make this behavior configurable. === LSB Compliance of Initscripts === Michal Marciniszyn was concerned [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01544.html that a recent audit] carried out by him showed that most of the shipped initscripts returned exit codes of "0" when there was no configuratin file. Jakub Jelinek argued that this was irrelevant because Fedora allowed the installation of LSB compliant applications and their initscripts. Further, the current coding idiom resulted in a snappier start-up. Emmanuel Seymann argued that the problem was simply that "6" should be returned instead of "0". === Hplip: Advertising Via Icons? === A [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01498.html very long thread] was opened by BernardJohnson on whether or not the hplip package should install its icon to the menu. Hplip is Hewlett-Packard's Linux Imaging and Printing software. The icon is that of the Hewlett-Packard corporation and was removed by a developer who wished not to fill the menus with "free advertising". Bernard objected that the package was 100% GPL and that other packages, such as VNC, did something similar, so for consistencies sake a uniform standard should be applied. Technical objections to hplip were voiced by other developers who felt that HP should instead contribute to CUPS instead of installing a parallel stack. [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01538.html Suggestions of replacement software] appear to reveal that functionality is still scattered between different packages and that hplip may provide features not available elsewhere. Leading on from a suggestion by Dan Hor?k a possible way of installing specific drivers for printers was [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01702.html proposed by JeremyKatz] . No blood was shed during the discussion which ranged into interpretations of the GPL, the inclusion of CodecBuddy, and more. === Proper Flags in RPM .spec for Dell Firmware? === Leading on from a query about Dell's firmware package [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01880.html failing to build] a debate took place over whether this was an arch/noarch package and what exactly the [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01884.html packaging guidelines say].A strong opinion was voiced in favour of the idea that it was '''not''' a noarch package as demonstrated by its [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01882.html failure to build using ExclusiveArch: x86_64]. === Provide "buildsys-macros" in Installed System? === JesseKeating made a [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01759.html favorably received proposal] to install the "buildsys-macros" in shipped systems. These macros are used in the current build system to provide essential definitions for package builds. Their inclusion in shipped systems would make it easier for those rebuilding packages for their current system. Those wishing to build for other releases or distributions should probably use mock and redhat-rpm-config. Some [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg01803.html objections were voiced] to the idea of "vendor" macros. RalfCorsepius and JarodWilson explored the issue, which seemed to pivot about redhat-rpm-config breaking the ability of rpmbuild to cross-build packages for non-Fedora. Ralf mentioned a possible work around and Jarod suggested that this was a very exotic, unusual case that would not affect most people. === KDE SIG Packages Status === Ending off March with the release of Fedora 7 Test 3 there is a bit of activity worth sharing on the fedora-extras-list. KDE-SIG, or the KDE Special Interest Group, has submitted a review request this week for [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2007-March/msg00267.html kicker-compiz], which for the uninformed is a replacement KDE panel capable of handling Compiz and Beryl. Other Fedora KDE-SIG packages awaiting review are koverartist, klear, kdebluetooth, and keep. Speaking of KDE, new plug-ins for Kipi and digikam also have pending review requests. === Extras i386 rawhide rebuild in mock status === Last week Matthew Domsch had reported in with the Extras Rawhide-in-Mock Build Results ([https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2007-March/msg00277.html March 28, 2007 Results]). In total are now 2847 packages for Extras! Though for i386 and x86_64 the number of packages that had failed to build were 34 and 65, respectively. For comparison, back in January of this year were 2606 packages while over 100 packages failed for each architecture. === FC6 Gaim package update and sametime plugin issue === If the recent GAIM update for Fedora Core 6 had caused adverse effects for your system, the [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2007-March/msg00289.html issue with gaim-meanwhile] is in the process of being worked out. If you use gaim-meanwhile, which is a plug-in for allowing GAIM to act as a Sametime client, it would be wise to not yet update GAIM. == Documentation and Translation == === Changes in Docs CVS === Paul W. Frields [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00197.html reports] on a change in the Docs CVS. Previously, {{{xml2po -e}}} was used to parse entities when creating POT and PO files; now {{{xml2po -k}}} is used. Translation of the common entities file can now proceed using the same methods, directory structure, and access permissions as the rest of the documentation in CVS. Because the changes create fuzzy entries for translators, there is some minor inconvenience caused in the short term. The long term effect is to make translating quicker and easier. === Fedora 7 Desktop User Guide === To get ready for Fedora 7, the Fedora Documentation team is [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00202.html discussing] updates that need to be made to the [:Docs/DesktopUserGuide:Desktop User Guide]. Known issues in the Fedora Core 6 release to resolved in the Fedora 7 release include: * Adding KDE information, now that KDE has a more prominent focus in the spins * Add more task focused documentation * Push concept material to other documents There is a general call for writers who can document the KDE desktop for the DUG. Refer to the [:DocsProject/Join:Documentation Project join] page for more information. === More wiki cleanup === As part of a general effort to clean up the wiki, Paul W. Frields [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00183.html requested] that someone from the Fedora Documentation Project ensure that all the meeting minutes and IRC logs are correct for the [:DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings:Steering Committee (FDSCo) meeting page]. Jason Taylor has taken [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-March/msg00188.html this] up. === Domain for translation statistics etc === Dimitris Glezos [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-March/msg00076.html requested] a decision be made about domain name structures for the new translation-focused web presence that hosts statistics and other project related items. DimitrisGlezos submitted http://translations.fedoraproject.org, http://l10n.fedoraproject.org/, and http://i18n.fedoraproject.org/ for discussion. No decision has been reached yet. == Events and Meetings == === Ambassadors Event Report === * [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-March/msg00194.html Event Report: Dakshh 2007 (India)] * [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-March/msg00215.html Event Report: ISEIT Install Fest (Venezuela)] === Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-03-29 === * [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-March/msg00220.html Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-03-29] === EPEL Meeting: 2007-03-25 === * [https://www.redhat.com/archives/epel-devel-list/2007-March/msg00396.html EPEL SIG meeting: 2007-03-25] == Security and Updates == === Security === * FEDORA-2007-376: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00082.html openoffice.org-2.0.4-5.5.17] * FEDORA-2007-375: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00081.html openoffice.org-2.0.2-5.21.2] * FEDORA-2007-391: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00099.html file-4.19-2.fc6] === Fedora Core 6 Updates === * FEDORA-2007-374: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00080.html SDL-1.2.11-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-349: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00078.html nfs-utils-1.0.10-7.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-356: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00083.html libvirt-0.2.1-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-378: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00084.html net-snmp-5.3.1-14.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-379: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00085.html fonts-indic-2.1.5-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-364: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00087.html selinux-policy-2.4.6-46.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-381: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00088.html gaim-2.0.0-0.31.beta6.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-382: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00089.html paps-0.6.6-19.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-358: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00091.html epiphany-2.16.3-4.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-357: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00092.html rhythmbox-0.9.8-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-385: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00093.html ElectricFence-2.2.2-21.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-386: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00094.html samba-3.0.24-3.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-387: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00090.html redhat-rpm-config-8.0.45-9.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-388: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00095.html ruby-1.8.5.35-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-392: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00100.html dovecot-1.0-2.rc28.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-327: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00098.html yum-3.0.5-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-384: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00101.html audit-1.4.2-5.fc6] === Fedora Core 5 Updates === * FEDORA-2007-373: Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00077.html samba-3.0.24-2.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-380: Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00086.html fonts-indic-2.1.5-1.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-389: Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00096.html ruby-1.8.5.35-2.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-390: Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-March/msg00097.html samba-3.0.24-3.fc5] == Feedback == * This document is maintained by the [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject Fedora News Team]. Please feel free to contact us to give your feedback. * If you'd like to contribute to a future issue of the Fedora Weekly News, please see the [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Contribution contributing] page to find out how to help. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 9 08:01:11 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:01:11 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 82 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704090101mc4250d1v385ffa599d3a134a@mail.gmail.com> = Fedora Weekly News Issue 82 = http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue82 Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 82 for the week of April 1st through April 7th, 2007. The latest issue can always be found [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue here]. == Announcements == In this section, we cover announcements from various projects. === Aurora SPARC Linux Build 2.98 (Beta 1 for 3.0) === TomCallaway announces in fedora-test-list[1] - The Aurora SPARC Linux project[2] has released Build 2.98 which is a Sparc Linux Distribution based on Fedora Core 6. This is a BETA release, for what will become 3.0. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-April/msg00047.html [2] http://www.auroralinux.org/ === Seeking reviewers for Summer of Code applications === PatrickBarnes announces in fedora-devel-list[1] - We've got nearly 40 applications, not counting those that have been marked as ineligible, from potential Summer of Code[2] students. We must review these applications and select which ones will be most valuable to the Fedora Project and have a real chance of success. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00144.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode === Fedora Account System Changes === ToshioKuratomi announces in fedora-maintainers[1] - As discussed for the past couple weeks here and within fedora infrastructure, we've been working on a few related enhancements to the Fedora Account system[2]. Today we enabled code that does two things: * When you are approved for cvsextras, you are automatically approved for fedorabugs. * Since Red Hat legal has decided that Red Hat employees have the equivalent of signing the CLA because of the terms of their employment, we needed to restructure the cla_done group. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00072.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem == Developments == In this section, we covers the problems/solutions, people/personalities, and ups/downs of the endless discussions on fedora-devel-list. === Rawhide Report === The April 3rd rawhide report[1] contained a patch to add multilib support for the alpha architecture, which led to the revelation that a volunteer port of Fedora for HP's Alpha servers [2] exists. This project, known as alphacore[3], is working to merge their changes with upstream. Questions as to why a 64bit-only architecture would need multilib support were answered[4] by DonDutile and JakubJelinek[5] [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00083.html [2] These are probably known to most by their original name of DEC Alpha, which then became Compaq, and then HP. [3] http://alphacore.info/ [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00097.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00098.html === Overview of Mirrors for Merged Core and Extras === JesseKeating called for feedback[1] on a restructuring of the mirrors. Jesse suggested this could happen as early as Monday 9th of April. In response to RolandMcGrath's query, Jesse clarified that there would be a transition period during which core/development and extras/development would linger and become symlinks to the new linux/development. AxelThimm and DennisGilmore had some suggestions[2] regarding the use of rsync and avoiding relative symlinks. DavidWoodhouse made a case[3] for making the change at the start of the weekend so that DSL bandwidth caps would not be as huge a problem for home mirrors. ThorstenLeemhuis remembered a previous solution to which Jesse assented[4]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00226.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00240.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00257.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00269.html === Google SoC Application Reviews === Forty, or so, projects were submitted to the Fedora Project, to be considered for sponsorship to the Google Summer of Code (GSoC) process. An urgent request[1] was submitted for more people to help reviewing these submissions in only a couple of days. GregDeKoenigsberg pointed out that it was pretty easy to do and much needed. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00144.html === KDE Live CD === RexDieter and SebastianVahl continued to wrestle with the problem of slimming down the available packages for a KDE-based LiveCD. JeremyKatz[1] noted that some bloat was due to pirut requiring gnome-session for /etc/xdg/autostart and he had solved this by splitting the directory into the filesystem package. Sebastian and Jeremy further wondered[2] whether images should be relesed more frequently as torrents. RahulSundaram noted[3] that DavidZeuthen had already suggested daily LiveCD releases for both the Gnome and KDE LiveCDs. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00013.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00024.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00025.html === Presto Server Back Up. Interesting %doc Behaviour. Presto Now in Extras! === Problems with the testserver for Presto due to a lack of diskspace[1] were sorted out, problems with logging were resolved and JonathanDieter noted[2] that packages with large amounts of documentation showed few savings because rpm itself unsets the verify bit on %docs. AhmedKamal introduced separate threads[3] for Presto-0.3.4's rebuilding and deltarpm downloading processes, so that they could occur in parallel. LeszekMatok provided a bugreport and a concrete example[4] of why this was of value (on a slow machine with a fast network). In response to a query[5], on April 4th, JonathanDieter pointed out that he hopes that Presto will be ready for F7, but that it's really alpha right now for FC6, has known issues with rawhide, and needs some more testers[6]. The immediate goals[7] of the project have seen good progress. By April 7th someone had waved a magic wand and Presto had evolved[8] to version 0.3.7, had popped out of the Extras review process, and is ready for more testing. Jonathan was clear in pointing out that users should ensure their configuration should not point to the presto test server, which is not part of Fedora Infrastructure. TillMaas and RexDieter wondered whether the official Fedora repositories were presto-enabled and if not what needed to happen. Jonathan replied[9] that he needed to finish a tool for presto that was compatible with the currently existing createrepo. Rex's post was responded[10] to by MichaelSchwendt, who wondered about the fate of repoview vis-a-vis its potential replacement PackageDB. ToshioKuratomi then gave[11] a brief summary of the state of play of PackageDB as it pertains to Koji.[12] [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00017.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00139.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00089.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00106.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00118.html [6] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/presto [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00081.html [8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00167.html [9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00175.html [10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00194.html [11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00225.html [12] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/KojiBuildSystem === Creating a Backtrace when GDB hangs X? === A short, but useful thread[1] opened by "dragoran" and answered by MatthiasClasen and AdamJackson suggested ways of obtaining a backtrace in a tricky situation. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00010.html === Removable Media Mounting Bug Due to SELinux? === ThomasJBaker reported[1] that since the updates of 3 April 2007 he could not hotplug his iPod as usual. WillWoods quickly replied with a known bugzilla entry, which Thomas then updated with the information that `selinux=permissive` silenced the error. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00127.html === New Firewire Stack. Minor Bugfixing === F7 contains a new IEEE-1394/Firewire stack. JosephESacco noticed that while his Epson 2450 Perfection scanner worked perfectly on either USB or Firewire with FC6, it only worked with USB for FC7. KristianHogsberg[1] identifed the problem as being due to a need to propagate some special-case error handling from the old sbp2 (firewire scsi) driver into the new stack. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00142.html === JBoss and Java Libre? === TimothySpaulding wondered whether there were Fedora packages of JBoss being prepared. JBoss[1] is one of Red Hat's most significant recent acquisitions. NicolasMailhot drove home the point[2] that packages are needed that can be dropped into a yum repo, and that this logically implied packaging a JVM. AndrewHaley disputed Nicolas' contention[3] that a consensus existed among Red Hat java developers that waiting for Sun to release Java 7 under GPLv3 (as promised) was more efficient than making gcj feature complete. Attention was drawn[4] by MarkWielaard to the need for clarity and communication, and more importantly to the ability of Fedora to take initiative independently from Red Hat. He also pointed to the original plans for a Libre Java for FC7. In another branch of the same discussion, JesseKeating and RahulSundaram both pointed out that Sun's Java was not Free enough (yet) for inclusion into Fedora. Nicolas and JefSpaleta remained cautious, with Jef calling for Red Hat's JBoss team to provide leadership and co-ordination of volunteers, while SethVidal and others argued[5] that there was no reason that this was not within the purview of the Fedora Project and invited clarifying contrary opinions. TomTromey posted a link to the good news[6] that much of JBoss is working with gcj already and this was confirmed[7] by MarkWielaard, whose post also echoed OliverFalk's concern that rebuilding Sun's JVM for many platforms[8] will be "fun". [1] http://jboss.org [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00254.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00303.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00307.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00313.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00293.html [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00306.html [8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00281.html === "buildsys-macros" To Be Provided === JesseKeating reported[1] that based on the feedback received, the project would go ahead with adding macro definitions to the installed system to ease building packages and that he had requested this of the redhat-rpm-config maintainer. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00069.html === Rawhide-in-Mock Build Results === MattDomsch of Dell continues to supply the results of rebuilding rawhide in mock. The April 2nd logs reveal: * For Extras i386, 29 out of 2876 packages failed to build (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00048.html) * For Extras x86_64, 54 out of 2876 failed to build (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00047.html) * For Core i386, 36 out of 1154 failed to build (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00046.html) * For Core x86_64, 37 out of 1153 failed to build (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00045.html) === Dell Firmware Arch/Noarch Debate Continues === Following on from last week's debate, MatthiasSaou noticed that he had been bitten[1] by the same problem. MichaelSchwendt provided[2] a solution and explained how the push-script was able to do the right thing. MichaelEBrown argued that for Matthias' particular case (firmware for the ipw2200) it would be appropriate[3] to cosnider it as cross-platform code, if anything. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00039.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00043.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00066.html === Tcpreplay === BojanSmover proposed[1] including tcpreplay packages for FE/EPEL. The tcpreplay application allows the modification and replay of pcap formatted network traffic for testing network devices. Interest was expressed, problems noted, and a Package Review bugzilla entry[2] was opened. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00028.html [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234812 === Where did FC7's New Init System Go? === Mark wondered[1] what had happened to a replacement for SysVInit? This had been suggested for FC7 to decrease boot times. DavidZeuthen responded[2] that fixing readahead was a more promising direction and that the maintainer was hard at work on this. BernardoInnocenti begged to differ, citing the lack[3] of dynamism of readahead and SysVInit and his personal experience with Ubuntu's Upstart and InitNG as datapoints. DavidZeuthen and TomLane argued[4] that while Upstart was promising it was no magic bullet. RudolfKastl reported[5] that InitNG was working well for him and that the next release would be LSB compatible. This led to a discussion of what might be the political impact of adopting a different new init system than Ubuntu or Debian. In any event, a lot of research has gone into this problem and no replacement system has advanced far enough to make the cut for Fedora 7. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00019.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00023.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00073.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00077.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00086.html === Temporary Pgadmin3 Maintainer Requested === GavinHenry posted a request[1] for a temporary (circa 3 weeks) maintainer of the pgadmin3 package for FC7. DevrimGunduz picked up the baton, and Gavin requested assistance in adding him as a co-maintainer. WarrenTogami pointed out how this could be done[2] and JonCisela[3] suggested a more formal method. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00109.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00146.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00134.html === JPGraph License Query Shows How To Remove A Package === AurelienBompard, package maintainer for JPGraph (an Object-Oriented library in PHP for producing graphs), wondered[1] about its confusing license. Further discussion[2] involving JoshBoyer, RahulSundaram, and others led to a decision to remove the package unless it could be clarified to be free. In part the concerns are actuated by considering EPEL. The full process[3] for removing packages was indicated by VilleSkytta. A suggestion[4] by GianlucaSforna to follow Debian's lead in packaging an older version was argued against by NicolasMailhot as it might mislead developers into assuming that later versions would be supported. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00253.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00323.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00327.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00282.html === Fedora Extras Package Build Reports === On April 1st 2007 there were thirty-five packages built and released for Fedora Core 6: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00001.html These packages included: {{{ ClanLib-0.8.0-4.fc6 GeoIP-1.4.2-1.fc6 NEW SimGear-0.3.10-4.fc6 NEW audacious-plugins-nonfree-mp3-1.2.5-2.fc6 NEW audacious-plugins-nonfree-wma-1.1.2-7.fc6 azureus-2.5.0.4-2.fc6 bzr-gtk-0.14.0-1.fc6 cvs2cl-2.60-1.fc6 exaile-0.2.9-4.fc6 facter-1.3.7-1.fc6 NEW ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.35.20070204.fc6 git-1.5.0.6-1.fc6 NEW gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.2-3.fc6 jd-1.8.8-0.3.rc070330.fc6 NEW lame-3.97-5.fc6 NEW latexmk-3.08n-4.fc6 libmtp-0.1.5-1.fc6 libsexy-0.1.11-1.fc6 NEW madplay-0.15.2b-5.fc6 mecab-0.95-2.fc6 NEW mplayer-1.0-0.73.20070325svn.fc6 ntfs-3g-1.328-1.fc6 NEW nvidia-kmod-1.0.9755-2.2.6.20_1.2933.fc6 perl-Contextual-Return-v0.2.1-1.fc6 perl-Module-ScanDeps-0.73-1.fc6 perl-aliased-0.21-1.fc6 php-pear-Net-SMTP-1.2.10-1.fc6 php-pear-Net-Socket-1.0.7-1.fc6 puppet-0.22.3-1.fc6 qascade-0.1-7.fc6 qt4-4.2.3-7.fc6.1 tinyerp-4.0.3-1.fc6 tuxpuck-0.8.2-3.fc6 NEW vlc-0.8.6a-2.fc6 zabbix-1.1.7-1.fc6 }}} Ten packages were built[1] for Fedora Extras Development according to the Sunday 8 April 2007 report. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00350.html === HAL Multilib Packaging or "David Woodhouse made me do it"! === On April 5th, someone noted[1] that an update resulted in downloading 230 packages and finished with an error. It all seemed to be due to a hal packaging problem. An early response[2] suggested that this was a multilib problem and could be solved by removing the i386 version of hal, which was confirmed by the poster. However, the underlying problem is intricate. DavidZeuthen was aware[3] of the problem (which already had a bugzilla entry), and sought help in solving it. Following input, from MichaelSchwendt and SethVidal, David wondered if he should reverse[4] the separation of hal and hal-libs. This split itself was the result of earlier attempts[5] to solve the hal multilib problem. MichaelSchwendt made an argument[6] for using "obsoletes" to force replacement with the appropriate architecture, and suggested that this was broken in Fedora7 if it didn't work. BillNottingham noted that Michael's theory [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00248.html seemed] to be confirmed by looking at the CVS. Jesse [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00285.html decided] to reproduce the problem in full to investigate it. The [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00310.html result of this] led to differing conclusions from MichaelSchwendt and JesseKeating. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00191.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00193.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00199.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00204.html [5] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=231200 [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00216.html == Extras == In this section, we cover the world of interesting packages that are comunity maintained and may not be part of standard Fedora distribution ISO. These packages were formerly part of the Fedora Extras set of packages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers === Audacious 1.3 In Extras === Audacious 1.3.0 was released back on March 2nd of this year but for over a month[1] sitting in Fedora Extras has been version 1.2.1 of this media player. Audacious 1.3.1 finally hit development testing this week and by the time you're reading this, it's likely entered the Fedora Core 6 Extras repository. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2007-April/msg00000.html === Extras Rawhide Rebuild in Mock Status === MattDomsch reported in again with i386 and x86_64 Rawhide mock status 2007-04-02 results[1]. Last week there were 65 x86_64 packages that failed to build but this time around there are only 54. Likewise, there have also been a drop for the i386 packages going from 34 to 29 package failures. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2007-April/msg00004.html == Documentation == In this section, we cover the Fedora Documentation Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject === Summer of Code Mentors === It is expected that there are going to be three or four Google Summer of Code projects running this year, which is too many for a single mentor - making this your lucky chance! Not only do mentors have the pleasure of making a project happen, they get a GSoC T-shirt, a chance at other goodies, and the possibility of attending events like last year's Mentors' Summit, where you can meet mentors from all over the world at the famous Google Mountain View campus. Contact either KarstenWade or PatrickBarnes if you are interested.[1] [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00001.html] === Fedora Documentation Steering Committee Meeting === The meeting log[1] and summary[2] were posted to the Fedora-docs-list. [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00002.html] [2] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00003.html] === Fedora 7 Test 4 Release Notes Available to Translators === The POT for Fedora 7 Test 4 release notes is now available to translators in the Fedora Docs CVS[1]. For instructions on how to translate Fedora documentation, refer to the Translation Quick Start Guide[2]; make sure you apply for 'cvsl10n' access[3] to commit your translations. The deadline for PO files is 2359 UTC April 14th 2007. [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00014.html] [2] [http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/en/sn_translating_docs.html] [3] [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join#join_cvsl10n] === New Targets In Makefile.common === New targets have been added to Makefile.common for use by translators and repository managers. These targets, `make postat` and `make postat-${LANG}`, give information on the current statistics for all languages or a specific language.[1] [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00029.html] === Common Snippets === It has been proposed that a proper strategy is needed for dealing with ''snippets'' - small pieces of XML that are common across many documents (e.g. CVS instructions, legal notices, bug reporting etc...). This could be achieved by converting all common snippets into `gettext` form using one basic XML (en_US) and POT/PO to translate the snippet.[1] [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00037.html] == Translation == In this section, we cover the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N === Entity Substitution === DimitrisGlezos sparked conversation with his request for comments in this thread[1] about the Fedora Documentation Project's desire to use XML entities in all documentation. The idea is that commonly used words or XML snippets such as 'Fedora 7' and 'Pirut can be represented as '&FED; &FEDVER;' and '&PIRUT;'. This allows for fewer keystrokes, reduction in typos, consistency of usage, and so forth. Objections were raised[2], with the main concern being that some languages need to change a word to fit a localization need, such as in Polish, where the word 'Fedora' may appear as 'Fedora, 'Fedory', and 'Fedor?'. Some further discussion between quaid (KarstenWade) and stickster (PaulWFrields) in IRC (#fedora-docs) on 6-April-2007 lead to the possiblity of a per-locale setting in the Makefile, which would allow a per-language choice to use entities or not. This would ideally alleviate the objections/problems raised. Translation ease-of-use changes in the near future? We hope so.... [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00009.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00015.html === FC7test4 POT Available === PaulFrields posted[1] that the Fedora Core 7 test 4 POT is now available. As of 4-April-2007, POs were available in the following languages: ca, cs, da, de, el, es, fi, fr, gu, hr, it, ja, ml, ms, nb, nl, pa, pl, pt_BR, pt, ru, sr at Latn, sr, sv, ta, uk, zh_CN, and zh_TW. The languages ca, cs, fi, gu, hr, ml, ms, nb, sr at Latn, ta, and zh_TW still required common entity PO files. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00006.html == Infrastructure == In this section, we cover Fedora Infrastructure Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure === Fedorapeople.org and planet.fedoraproject.org === SethVidal proposed in his a message to fedora-infrastructure-list[1] that the existing fpserv.fedoraproject.org server be converted to provide Fedora account holders with storage space for files and planet code. His suggestion was widely accepted as a good idea and folks look forward to seeing the changes. As part of this work, old and not used services were removed from fpserv.fedoraproject.org. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00001.html === Wiki Performance Issues === The esteemed MikeMcGrath in his review of recent wiki performance problems posted a solution[1]. The idea is to delete the unused wiki accounts; there are nearly 10,000 wiki accounts, yet only 600 have edit privileges. Mike has identified as subset of users who cannot edit and are not watching any pages, and wants to delete them to speed page processing. The idea was met with approval from list members, with the addition of a couple of caveats[2] from KarstenWade. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00027.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00029.html == Artwork == In this section, we cover Fedora Artwork Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork === Echo Icon Theme Development === There have been several new draft icons submitted to the list this week. The initial draft of the new keyboard icon[1] was well received although criticized for being too dark and a discussion arose about localization issues surrounding the use of a QWERTY based icon. The concerns were fixed through a series of drafts resulting in the final draft, which is lighter and now uses a fictional key layout using the "E" "H" "C" "O" characters[2]. [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00001.html] [2] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00033.html] Work continued on the gnome-devel icon[3], with the current iteration being added to the Echo Development Wiki[4]. The "Go-up" and "Go-down" icons have also been reworked and are planned to be used for future software update icons[5]. [3] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00028.html] [4] [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment] [5] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00006.html] Finally, drafts of a menu editor and Pirut icon were submitted[6]: some concerns were voiced that the pen on the menu editor icon was confusing, making it appear to represent a text editor rather than a menu editor; regarding the Pirut icon, some people were worried that it didn't represent the most common software installation source - the Internet[7]. Changes have already been made to the menu editor icon[8]. [6] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00010.html] [7] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00014.html] [8] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00036.html] === Echo Cursors === This week saw the announcement[1] of a gallery page[2] for Echo cursors providing a detailed list, along with a place to display, all the cursors needed for a complete theme. The naming specification[3] is mostly complete but still needs more work done to it, which should achieved as development progresses. Anybody who has ideas for an Echo cursor theme is invited to add it to a draft section on the wiki page to help drive creativity and get the project moving forward[4]. [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00043.html] [2] [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors/Development] [3] [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors/NamingSpec] [4] [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoCursors] == Events and Meetings == In this section, we cover event reports and meeting minutes from various projects. === Event Report: BarCamp Bangalore === https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00093.html === French Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-04-01 === https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00105.html === Packaging Committee Meeting: 2007-04-03 === https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00074.html == Security and Updates == In this section, we highlight the security updates from the week in Fedora. ''This week's report by JoshBressers'' === Fedora Security Response Team === The Fedora Security Response Team[1] is slowly taking shape. The team is responsible for all Fedora security updates in Fedora 7 and beyond. Creating a security team is not a trivial task, and I believe it's best done in an organic manner. Anytime anyone tries to create a process around anything regarding security, it often ends up being overly complex. By keeping things simple from the start and adding process as needed, it's more likely the security team will be a success. If you have an interest in helping the Fedora Security Response Team, more information can be found here: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/ResponseTeam === krb5 === The biggest update last week would have to be Kerberos[1]. There were three flaws fixed, but the really scary one was a flaw in the MIT krb5 telnet daemon. The telnet daemon shipped in krb5 allows for encrypted telnet sessions. As most people know, it is unwise and unsafe to use unencrypted telnet to connect to a remote machine. The flaw could allow a remote user to login as root, without a password. Anytime there is a remote flaw such as this, it's rather scary given the potential for a worm attack. [1] http://web.mit.edu/Kerberos/advisories/ === Security Advisories === * FEDORA-2007-408: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00008.html krb5-1.5-21] * FEDORA-2007-409: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00009.html krb5-1.4.3-5.4] * FEDORA-2007-394: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00010.html openssh-4.3p2-19.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-395: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00011.html openssh-4.3p2-4.12.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-393: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00013.html evolution-2.8.3-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-404: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00014.html evolution-2.6.3-2.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-413: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00017.html ImageMagick-6.2.8.0-4.fc6] === Fedora Core 6 Updates === * FEDORA-2007-366: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00000.html parted-1.8.2-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-397: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00001.html systemtap-0.5.13-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-398: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00002.html ElectricFence-2.2.2-22.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-399: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00003.html psmisc-22.2-5.1] * FEDORA-2007-400: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00004.html gpm-1.20.1-82.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-405: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00006.html procps-3.2.7-8.3.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-239: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00007.html cups-1.2.10-3.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-403: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00012.html perl-XML-Twig-3.29-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-412: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00015.html squid-2.6.STABLE12-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-406: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00016.html selinux-policy-2.4.6-49.fc6] === Fedora Core 5 Updates === * FEDORA-2007-401: Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00005.html gpm-1.20.1-82.fc5] == Feedback == * This document is maintained by the [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject Fedora News Team]. Please feel free to contact us to give your feedback. * If you'd like to contribute to a future issue of the Fedora Weekly News, please see the [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join Join] page to find out how to help. -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 10 19:16:23 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:16:23 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704101206w76629b22y65803e0966d38691@mail.gmail.com> References: <1176222962.2840.11.camel@aldieb.wheel.time> <369bce3b0704101206w76629b22y65803e0966d38691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1176232584.5208.26.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 12:06 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/10/07, Ryan Leduc wrote: > > Hello, > > > > what happened to the Fedora Weekly News? It use to have interesting > > info about fedora core for a wide audience, and now it seems to have > > nothing but > > info for developers and I see no reason why I should not start ignoring > > it. > > > > > > Is this your intention? The previous format was very useful and > > provided a lot of info for users. Why get rid of it? It seems that you > > could have just created a separate newspaper for developers, or at least > > keep both type of news in different sections? When I was reading it this week after it hit f-announce-l, I realized that the addition of so much broad and useful content had buried the stories that would have been highlighted in the previous incarnations of FWN. So, I'm very happy that we are reaching a broader audience, and it was unintentional to dismiss the existing audience. Thomas - for the coming week, I think we can look at something like a Summary section that mirrors the old-FWN style. It would highlight stories that appear in more detail in other locations in the report. From there, people can read the individual sections by their interests (art, documentation, development, etc.) We might also want to review the idea of having all of the content appear in the announcement. It is useful, but also possibly confusing, without a table of contents to sort out what is where. Let's try to get some ideas prototyped by the end of the week so we know what to edit/format for over the weekend. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 19:23:38 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:23:38 -0700 Subject: Looking back previous issues Message-ID: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> All, Looking back previous two issues, I think we're off a good start. * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue81 * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue82 But I think we can do better. 1. Let's keep the number of items in each section to 10 at the most. Developments section in last issue was a bit overwhelm by general readers. 2. We're adding Maintainers section and removing Extras section. 3. We're adding Planet Fedora section 4. We're also going to mention RSS availability. Well, that's all for now. If you have a good idea, let's hear it. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 19:38:50 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:08:50 +0530 Subject: Looking back previous issues In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> Thomas Chung wrote: > All, > > Looking back previous two issues, I think we're off a good start. > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue81 > * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue82 > > But I think we can do better. > 1. Let's keep the number of items in each section to 10 at the most. > Developments section in last issue was a bit overwhelm by general > readers. If you prioritize the things that are of the interest to users as the first few sections then we don't have to limit the number of items covered in the developer section that follows. Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 19:47:27 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:47:27 -0700 Subject: Looking back previous issues In-Reply-To: <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> References: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704111247q13403262ydaf84a9301e272d3@mail.gmail.com> On 4/11/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > If you prioritize the things that are of the interest to users as the > first few sections then we don't have to limit the number of items > covered in the developer section that follows. Yes, that would be an idea. Still, I feel 18 news items in Developments section is bit too much. Initially, I asked everyone to come up with 2-3 items for each section. I think somewhere 5-10 items in each section is good balance. It's up to the writer to pick 5-10 highlights for the beat. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Apr 11 19:58:40 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:58:40 +0100 Subject: Looking back previous issues In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704111247q13403262ydaf84a9301e272d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704111247q13403262ydaf84a9301e272d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0704111258l70b36765mb4a8d873237ab172@mail.gmail.com> I thought that there were maybe a few items repeated in a couple of sections!? Specifically in the last issue GSoC mentors seemed to crop up a few times... Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Apr 11 19:58:49 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:58:49 +0100 Subject: Looking back previous issues In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704111258l70b36765mb4a8d873237ab172@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704111247q13403262ydaf84a9301e272d3@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0704111258l70b36765mb4a8d873237ab172@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0704111258n50eefc03wacf76a59da5bf8da@mail.gmail.com> On 11/04/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I thought that there were maybe a few items repeated in a couple of > sections!? Specifically in the last issue GSoC mentors seemed to crop > up a few times... > > Jon > Other than that awesome :D From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 11 20:03:00 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:03:00 -0700 Subject: Looking back previous issues In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704111258l70b36765mb4a8d873237ab172@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> <369bce3b0704111247q13403262ydaf84a9301e272d3@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0704111258l70b36765mb4a8d873237ab172@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704111303h6d0f50b6o54b2571194f83566@mail.gmail.com> On 4/11/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > I thought that there were maybe a few items repeated in a couple of > sections!? Specifically in the last issue GSoC mentors seemed to crop > up a few times... True. We missed that one during editorial review. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 11 21:20:17 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:20:17 -0700 Subject: Looking back previous issues In-Reply-To: <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> References: <369bce3b0704111223q6bb0f1e1w850bca9206229ffe@mail.gmail.com> <461D394A.4070800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1176326417.5208.100.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 01:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > If you prioritize the things that are of the interest to users as the > first few sections then we don't have to limit the number of items > covered in the developer section that follows. +1 In particular, fedora-devel-list can have very important or interesting items. I don't think we should curtail coverage for an artificial cap. OTOH, we don't have to cover _every_ thread. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 12 22:00:00 2007 From: thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:00:00 +0200 Subject: FWN Translation Message-ID: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> Hello everybody, How can we organise the translation of the new FWN now it is hosted on the wiki ? Would it be able to have the FWN one or two days before ? (on Saturday, as nothing really important happens on week-ends) ? Thanks Thomas Canniot From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 00:01:27 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:01:27 -0700 Subject: FWN Translation In-Reply-To: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704121701o2f4060c8m2fbe0ec4fb66c2b8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/12/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Hello everybody, > > How can we organise the translation of the new FWN now it is hosted on > the wiki ? > Would it be able to have the FWN one or two days before ? (on Saturday, > as nothing really important happens on week-ends) ? Thank you for your interest however we're not ready to offer pubic a translation yet. We're planning to roll out a new l10n Web UI in August per Karsten. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 13:31:19 2007 From: thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:31:19 +0200 Subject: FWN Translation In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704121701o2f4060c8m2fbe0ec4fb66c2b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0704121701o2f4060c8m2fbe0ec4fb66c2b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070413153119.0db90319@localhost.localdomain> Le Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:01:27 -0700, "Thomas Chung" a ?crit : > On 4/12/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > How can we organise the translation of the new FWN now it is hosted > > on the wiki ? > > Would it be able to have the FWN one or two days before ? (on > > Saturday, as nothing really important happens on week-ends) ? > > Thank you for your interest however we're not ready to offer pubic a > translation yet. > We're planning to roll out a new l10n Web UI in August per Karsten. > Regards, Well, we can have a French FWN subpage aren't we ? Thomas From stickster at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 16:24:06 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:24:06 +0000 Subject: FWN Translation In-Reply-To: <20070413153119.0db90319@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0704121701o2f4060c8m2fbe0ec4fb66c2b8@mail.gmail.com> <20070413153119.0db90319@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1176481446.13207.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 15:31 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Le Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:01:27 -0700, > "Thomas Chung" a ?crit : > > > On 4/12/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > Hello everybody, > > > > > > How can we organise the translation of the new FWN now it is hosted > > > on the wiki ? > > > Would it be able to have the FWN one or two days before ? (on > > > Saturday, as nothing really important happens on week-ends) ? > > > > Thank you for your interest however we're not ready to offer pubic a > > translation yet. > > We're planning to roll out a new l10n Web UI in August per Karsten. > > Regards, > > Well, we can have a French FWN subpage aren't we ? Sure! It will get easier later, but no one says you can't do it the hard way for now. :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 18:02:04 2007 From: thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:02:04 +0200 Subject: FWN Translation In-Reply-To: <1176481446.13207.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0704121701o2f4060c8m2fbe0ec4fb66c2b8@mail.gmail.com> <20070413153119.0db90319@localhost.localdomain> <1176481446.13207.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070413200204.0956bc26@localhost.localdomain> Le Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:24:06 +0000, "Paul W. Frields" a ?crit : > On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 15:31 +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > Le Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:01:27 -0700, > > "Thomas Chung" a ?crit : > > > > > On 4/12/07, Thomas Canniot > > > wrote: > > > > Hello everybody, > > > > > > > > How can we organise the translation of the new FWN now it is > > > > hosted on the wiki ? > > > > Would it be able to have the FWN one or two days before ? (on > > > > Saturday, as nothing really important happens on week-ends) ? > > > > > > Thank you for your interest however we're not ready to offer > > > pubic a translation yet. > > > We're planning to roll out a new l10n Web UI in August per > > > Karsten. Regards, > > > > Well, we can have a French FWN subpage aren't we ? > > Sure! It will get easier later, but no one says you can't do it the > hard way for now. :-) > OK thanks, but actually I can't create a subpage for it, the FWN is set to unmutable. :/ Thanks Thomas Canniot From tchung at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 19:33:00 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:33:00 -0700 Subject: FWN Translation In-Reply-To: <20070413200204.0956bc26@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0704121701o2f4060c8m2fbe0ec4fb66c2b8@mail.gmail.com> <20070413153119.0db90319@localhost.localdomain> <1176481446.13207.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070413200204.0956bc26@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704131233q75380f30w3d6212cc0265b98b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > OK thanks, but actually I can't create a subpage for it, the FWN is set > to unmutable. :/ > > Thanks > > Thomas Canniot Want to join the team? :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org Fri Apr 13 19:59:49 2007 From: thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:59:49 +0200 Subject: FWN Translation In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704131233q75380f30w3d6212cc0265b98b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070413000000.4a6fbf2c@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0704121701o2f4060c8m2fbe0ec4fb66c2b8@mail.gmail.com> <20070413153119.0db90319@localhost.localdomain> <1176481446.13207.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070413200204.0956bc26@localhost.localdomain> <369bce3b0704131233q75380f30w3d6212cc0265b98b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070413215949.121d8b1b@localhost.localdomain> Le Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:33:00 -0700, "Thomas Chung" a ?crit : > On 4/13/07, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > OK thanks, but actually I can't create a subpage for it, the FWN is > > set to unmutable. :/ > > > > Thanks > > > > Thomas Canniot > > Want to join the team? :) Not me personally, but we have a small translator team is getting started. I'm trying ti help them putting everything in order. Cheers, Thomas From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 16 07:38:25 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:38:25 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 83 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704160038o30eeeb70je7c78f713367c124@mail.gmail.com> = Fedora Weekly News Issue 83 = Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 83[1] for the week of April 8th through April 14th, 2007. The latest issue can always be found here[2]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue83 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue == Announcements == In this section, we cover announcements from various projects. === Fedora Wiki Accounts === MikeMcGrath announces in fedora-announce-list[1] - In response to our wiki woes, we have decided to delete all wiki accounts that are not watching any pages and are not in the EditGroup[2]. This will help speed page saves up because of the way moin iterates over users to see who to notify. Those wishing to keep an account should simply sign up again. Please direct any questions to admin at fedoraproject.org [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-April/msg00002.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup === Fedora-Extras-List going to be closed end of this week === ThorstenLeemhuis announces in fedora-extras-list[1] - fedora-extras-list will thereby get closed soon, probably on Friday or Saturday this week; no further posting will be possible here. fedora-devel-list[2] will be the mailing that acts as the direct successor for fedora-extras-list; all subscriber on this list that are not yet on fedora-devel-list got invited there some minutes ago. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2007-April/msg00033.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list === Fedora Development (2007-04-11) Live i386 image available === JeremyKatz announces in fedora-test-list[1] - I've put up a copy of a live CD image[2] based on the current Fedora Development tree as of today for those that are interested in some pre-test4 testing. For package bugs, please file them against the specific package. For more general bugs with the LiveCD, you can file them against the LiveCD component for Fedora Core, version devel. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-April/msg00214.html [2] http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/rawhide-20070411-i386-live.torrent == Planet Fedora == In this secton, we cover a highlight of Planet Fedora - a aggregation of blogs from world wide Fedora contributors. http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ === Fedora's Pidgin Plan === WarrenTogami points out in his blog[1] - The Gaim project[2] signed a trademark settlement with AOL, and will be changing their name to Pidgin. Upstream is planning on a pidgin-2.0.0-beta7. They are trying to settle a pref migration blocker before cutting this beta release. This beta7 will give Fedora critically important window, where we must move quickly to prepare for the final 2.0.0 release. We must fix all dependencies by fixing up and renaming the numerous gaim-* plugin packages, and be sure the entire collection automatically upgrades cleanly with yum. That should smoothen our upgrade into 2.0.0 that is expected soon thereafter. When we are satisfied with the 2.0.0 final + all plugin packages in F7, we will do the same to FC6. [1] http://wtogami.livejournal.com/16001.html [2] http://www.pidgin.im/ === Spread Open Media === NicuBuculei points out in his blog[1] - We, at the Open Clip Art Library[2], together with Xiph.org[3] are hosting a contest for creating a logo and maybe a mascot for Spread Open Media. All submissions should be in SVG format and released as Public Domain, so they cam become part of the Open Clip Art Library. The contest started on 10 April 2007 and will end on 05 May 2007. Using those contributions as a base, a lot of materials like banners, buttons, badges, icons, fliers, t-shirts will be created. [1] http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2007/04/spread-open-media.html [2] http://openclipart.org/ [3] http://www.xiph.org/ == Developments == In this section, we cover the problems/solutions, people/personalities, and ups/downs of the endless discussions on fedora-devel-list. === Bad gnome-user-share, Bad! === MattMiller noticed that ''gnome-user-share'' was trying out some new tricks [1] and wanted it to stop. Specifically he questioned the wisdom of a Gnome desktop environment needing to include httpd because g-u-s is in the group and works by using WebDAV. JesseKeating pointed him upstream and argued that it was safe because a user had to consciously switch it on, to which JonCiesla agreed [2] "''+1. If the nailgun is unplugged, in the box, and the nails are in a separate box, why not ship them? Provide the functionality, but in a safe manner. Is this not the current state?''". Further discussion led to the idea [3] of breaking out the apache server config from the g-u-s stuff. NicolasMailhot wondered why the gnome-daemon was not able to just drop the right file into /etc/httpd/conf.d and OwenTaylor tried to get to the root [4] of Matt's objections. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00414.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00417.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00431.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00448.html === Mgetty Still Maintained ? Or, How To Patch And Rebuild From Source RPMs === In a redirected question [1] from fedora-list, Don Russell wondered if mgetty was under active maintenance. Don had opened a Bugzilla report and noted that there were year-old updates available that weren't packaged for FC6. Dragoran and Dexter helped him out with obtaining the source code [2][3] so that he could build a fixed version himself. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00301.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00348.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00383.html === Administrative Tools Emancipated From GTK+ Tyranny === An enquiry [1] from a potential new developer led to suggestions of which projects might profitably be attempted. Noting his C/Qt experience KevinKofler suggested [2] helping with KDE4 packaging. OttoRey was led to wonder [3] whether there were clear mini-RFCs or other specs for dependency checking. Vlad suggested [4] improving KDE integration by writing KDE versions of the administrative tools, which all have GTK+ frontends, but no KDE GUI frontends. RexDieter then drew attention [5] to ``guidance`` which does much of Vlad's extensive list. Rex was seeking [6] a co/maintainer for the package, which is already in the review process. MattMiller observed [7] that an important side-effect of rewriting the tools so that there's a GUI-independent back-end will be that root-privileged operations will also be taken out of the GUI front-end. The issue was further discussed in a separate thread [8], with DavidZeuthen enlarging [9] on Matt's point about privilege separation and arguing cogently for people to take a look at PolicyKit instead of just Qtifying apps which are currently GTK+ based. JaneDogalt suggested [10] that a scriptable backend would be very welcome. Later NicolasMailhot and RichardHughes discussed the implications [11] for embedded systems and Richard mentioned the OHM project. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00318.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00322.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00640.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00321.html [5] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=233603 [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00325.html [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00358.html [8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00752.html [9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00760.html [10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00761.html [11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00767.html === Readahead Lists Need an Update For Rawhide? === The prolific MarkG85 noted [1] that ``readahead`` was apparently not in use for Firefox-2.x in rawhide and that it was very beneficial for Firefox-1.5.x, also that it might be nice to add the default gnome-panel applets. ZakKarel agreed [12] and said that he'd generate updated readahead lists close to the freeze. Zak also pointed out the useful readahead-collector tool [3] which allows the generation of customized lists for a particular machine. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00340.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00596.html [3] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/readahead === DELL firmware packaging Saga Continues. A Bug Gets Squished In rpmUtils.updates.py === In today's episode we ask "Can YUM Upgrade ''noarch'' to a specific ''arch''?" Acting upon feedback previously received [1] MichaelEBrown (Dell's maintainer of firmware packages) was [2] still seeking a clean, approved way of packaging the firmware. It seemed from his tests that Yum failed (in FC6) to update the firmware-addon-dell packages that he had converted from being noarch. MichaelSchwendt posted a [3] counter-example. Reports from TillMaas led MichaelEBrown to investigate [4] whether this was specifically a problem in updating from noarch -> x86_64 as the noarch -> i386 seemed to work. SethVidal and MattMiller both tried to help, and later MichaelEBrown reported [5] that an IRC conversation with Seth suggested that it was a bug in rpmUtils.updates.py which only reared its head on multilib systems and that there was a temporary work-around. Seth soon posted a patch to the open bugzilla which MichaelEBrown confirmed as a fix [6]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue82#head-e789a3701a1a299c6dc46feeae761a2a7c264aee [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00359.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00364.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00366.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00378.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00409.html === When Will iwlwifi Work? === A polite [1] enquiry from ThomasBaker noted that iwlwifi had been in the kernel for a bit, didn't work and it would be good to know if users should wait to test fixes, or just go and install the alternate ipw3945 driver. AndyGreen found that it worked on a WPA network, TomLondon found that it didn't [2] (and was testing with each fresh Rawhide kernel and then installing ipw3945). JoshBoyer rebuffed [3] the idea of using JohnLinville's custom kernels because the point was to test rawhide. JohnLinville and others noted that unless people actually try the linville packages then it will be difficult to determine what works and should be propagated into rawhide as a fix. John confirmed to RichardHughes that upstream would be getting an iwlwifi fix from him soon [4]. After all this there was some confusion about what the "Linville test kernels" were. Dragoran clarified the matter in a response [5] to ThomasBaker, pointing out a bugzilla in which JohnLinville had rolled up some patches written upstream after Dragoran had prodded them with a pointy stick. The Linville page also describes these kernels as '' Kernels available here are explicitly NOT official Red Hat kernels. These kernels are for testing and/or experimentation. There is absolutely no guarantee that any patches present in these kernels will actually be made available either upstream or as part of any official Red Hat kernel.'' However testing is of course appreciated and obviously affects what goes into rawhide. As a sidenote, EricMagaoay and Nicolas (kwizart) noted that the firmware for zd1211rw_mac80211 seemed to work, was under review and needed the wireless-tools package to be updated to stay in sync [6]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00505.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00507.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00510.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00579.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00514.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00553.html === Where are VirtualProvides Documented? === A question [1] about the difference in meaning between "Provides:MTA" and "Provides:smtpdaemon" was posed by VilleSkytt?. The question seemed to have been considered [2] deeply by ManuelWolfshant, as maintainer of ssmtp, who along with PatriceDumas now believes [3] that the problem is to do with mdadm having an incorrect requires. JonathanUnderwood noted [4] that his proposals for TeX dealt with the issue of virtual provides. JesseKeating asked whether this in fact concerned the "alternatives" system and Ville argued [5] that it did, but that was a rewording of his original question. Ville and Patrice seemed to cohere on a solution [6] which involved removing mta/MTA from the "Provides" (but not touching the alternatives namespace) and using /bin/mail as a "Requires", and sifting through packages which have a "Provides: smtpdaemon" and fixing them. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00377.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00390.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00395.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00382.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00408.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00422.html === RFE: Mirror/server Do Not Remove Old Kernel From Updates === GilboaDavra posted an RFE inspired by a late-night / early-morning tale of woe in which a completely cleaned yum cache and an "rpm -e" left him with a dead machine. His suggestion [1] is that the last five kernels should be left on mirrors so that people could revert if necessary. LeszekMatok was unsympathetic to what he perceived as a support request for proprietary software (VMware), but Gilboa wasn't having any of it [2]. TonyNelson thought that keeping older versions of the kernel about was a good idea, prompting JesseKeating to ask for recent sightings of the mythical beast Unlimited Storage [3]. Gilboa stuck to his guns and brought specific figures into the picture [4] to show that the last five '''released''' kernels for one architecture would only consume 400MB. Interestingly, Jesse responded that post-merge (once Koji is in use) these should be available [5] [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00401.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00420.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00427.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00451.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00453.html === Three Changes to Packaging Guidelines: 1. Binary Firmware; 2. Post-Release Naming, 3; BuildRoot Prepping === 1. TomCallaway (spot) posted a [1] that the License tag for non-modifiable firmware should be changed. This led to a query as to whether madwifi-ng could be included in Fedora. ThorstenLeemhuis responded [2] with the conditional information that it would appear not to be the case, as it was more like a static library than a firmware. This interpretation was confirmed by JoshBoyer. 2. A [3] new definition of a "post release" package and specific attention to non-numeric versions was posted. There was no @fedora-devel discussion of this change. 3. An additional subsection now [4] prepping the buildroot properly. TomLane thought it was a bug that each and every specfile had to do this. In response [5] JesseKeating acknowleged that it was a bug but thought there were many more important things upon which rpm developers should work. MichaelSchroeder of SUSE had a helpful suggestion [6]. Further discussion between TomCallaway, PanuMatilainen and others [7] centered around the benefits of fixing the rpm bug, thus completely breaking older RPM packages. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00465.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00484.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00466.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00467.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00490.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00492.html [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00629.html === Bugzilla Policy: Should FC4 Bug Filing Be Banned? === Some thought it was a joke [1], but MattMiller was deadly serious [2]. The problem is that there is no way to not receive reports still automatically generated for FC4 (which should really be turned into petfood). JesseKeating replied that there was a plan [3] to create a new "product" which only got current (F7 and rawhide) bugs. It would then be possible to only receive bug reports for that product. MikeWiktowy worried [4] that this would only buy a year's grace, leading Jesse to clarify that what he wanted was to see unsupported releases in one product, and only the current release and development in the new Fedora product. MattMiller was also led to clarify (with tears almost audible in his email) that people were still filing bugs against FC5 [5]. Matt was then invited to join the FedoraQA meeting for further discussion [6]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00561.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00560.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00644.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00647.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00659.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00678.html == Maintainers == In this section, we cover Fedora Maintainers. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/ === "FC6" in Fedora 7 === With FWN's inaugural coverage of the fedora-maintainers-list, we begin with the presence of the "fc6" disttag in some Fedora 7 packages. Rahul Sundaram had expressed concern[1] over this occurring and had suggested rebuilding the packages to prevent this. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00132.html === Packaging Guideline Changes === The Fedora Packaging Committee had also approved a change to the packaging guideline for the license tag and naming firmware packages to -firmware. Other guidelines changes made over the past week include those for post release naming, prepping buildroot for %install, and UTF-8 filenames. === Fedora 7 Test 4 Freeze === Jesse Keating also reaffirmed that the Fedora 7 Test 4 freeze[1] will start next Tuesday (April 17). The freeze for Test 4 also marks the point at which only bug fixes should enter Fedora 7. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00275.html == Documentation == In this section, we cover the Fedora Documentation Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject === Fedora 7 Desktop User Guide === JohnBabich has come forward and volunteered as the lead writer for the Desktop User Guide in the build up to Fedora 7.[1] Throughout the week there has been a lot of discussion about the Desktop User Guide and the direction it should be taken in: the use of screenshots[2]; making the document more task orientated and the best layout to achieve this[3]; providing coverage of alternative desktop environments and the best approach to achieve this[4]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00042.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00059.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00068.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00061.html === Common Snippets === As reported last week PaulFrields made a proposal of creating a system that would allow for the quick translation of common snippets of documents to many different languages using XML. KarstenWade replied to this[1] and suggested that it might be nice if some more people with good XML knowledge would get involved with this aspect of the project. If you are interested in XML I'm sure you'll be made very welcome by the documentation team! [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00054.html == Translation == This section, we cover the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N === Release Notes Deadlines === PaulFrields sent a note[1] to the list announcing the deadline for translations (2359 UTC 14 April 2007). The next and final POT update is 21 April 2007 and the absolute deadline for translation of PO files is 2359 UTC 2 May 2007. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00042.html === More on Entities === PaulFrields announced[1] the change back to "xml2po -e" unfortunately this will require some extra translation work. Thanks to all the translators for hanging in there with the recent changes, we do appreciate it!! [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00043.html == Infrastructure == In this section, we cover Fedora Infrastructure Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure === Email Addresses === MikeMcGrath revisited the email address issue[1] in which he pointed out that problems have arisen with the current firstname.lastname email address convention (sendmail and postfix can't handle some of the characters). He proposed that email addresses are setup as the persons account name and also suggested the removal of firstname.lastname addresses. His proposal was agreed upon with the allowal of firstname.lastname addressses in special cases. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00059.html === The Wiki === Ah, yes, the wiki. This week the wiki provided the team with some challenges and no doubt Fedora users noticed the couple of website outage and yum availability interruption. MikeMcGrath posted this summary[1] of the weeks efforts, which included some Apache and Moin reconfiguration. Thanks to everyone that pitched in and helped throughout the week and to the Fedora users for being patient. (Fedora currently has the largest implementation of Moin/Wiki so we, as always we are on the bleeding edge!) [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00043.html == Artwork == In this secton, we cover Fedora Artwork Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork === Fedora Underground Pilot === JohnBaer announced that, after previously considering starting a page similar to Google's start page but with the emphasis on Fedora, he now has a pilot design. The page hosts quick links to many Fedora related websites, a customized Google search and links to other sites he considers useful for Fedora users. He hopes to spread the word and track the number of hits up to the release of Fedora 7 when he will review the situation and consider developing it further.[1] [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00045.html] === Echo Icons === LuyaTshimbalanga has submitted some draft icons based on the keyboard icon design discussed last week; these include a character map icon and a keyboard-shortcuts icon[1]. As well as these two keyboard related icons she also submitted new drafts of the Add/Remove Applications icon.[2] [1] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00050.html] [2] [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00056.html] == Security Week in Review == In this section, we highlight the security from the week in Fedora. === In This Week === Remarkably little happened this week in the security universe. I wonder if this is the result of the fabled Microsoft Patch Tuesday, and researchers not wanting to lose attention to the pending flood of stories about all the windows patches. The general idea behind this is that rather than release updates when they're ready, Microsoft will hold them until the second Tuesday of every month. I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this, but in general it doesn't work in the open source world. We generally have little control over when many security updates are released. If an open source project wants to release an update on a Sunday night, there is nothing stopping them from doing that. This of course isn't ideal for most people, but it's one of the many issues with the rather chaotic world of open source security updates. === Schneier on Security === This story from Bruce Schneier's blog made me immediately think of open source: U.S. Government Contractor Injects Malicious Software into Critical Military Computers [1]. This sort of thing probably happens more than anybody will ever admit, but it's likely a lot harder to pull of when your development is conducted in an open and transparent manner. It's also nearly impossible to prove in a closed source system. Even if such a flaw is found in a closed source system, it would not surprise me if many vendors would try to keep such information hidden. It's certainly not in the best interest of a vendor to let news of a back door go public. [1] http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/04/us_government_c_1.html === Apache.org === On this note though, what do projects do to stay secure? Is there anything preventing a disgruntled project member from causing harm (even if it is found immediately)? Apache.org had a slightly similar experience with this some time ago: Apache.Org compromise report, May 30th, 2001 [1] They handled it about the best any project could. [1] http://www.apache.org/info/20010519-hack.html === FreeRADIUS === A memory leak flaw in FreeRADIUS was found[1]. The flaw itself isn't really noteworthy, but it does give me a good opportunity to note that there is often a fine line separating old fashioned bugs and security flaws. Many software applications contain memory leaks and it's usually not a big deal. I don't suggest one should ignore a memory leak since it is a bug, but not all memory leaks are security flaws either. However they are serious problems with long running applications such as daemons. There are a number of bugs that can be considered a security flaw given the right circumstances. One of the jobs of the security team is to investigate these bugs and sort the chaff from the wheat. Another favorite is a user assisted crash. If a remote attacker can make something like FreeRADIUS crash, it's a security flaw. If a remote attacker can make Firefox crash, we call it a "don't do that again" bug. [1] http://www.freeradius.org/security.html === Mark Cox === Mark Cox had a most interesting blog posting this week: Information Sources[1]. Most people don't really worry about where security flaws come from, but it is most interesting when you're on of the lucky people who have to try to make sense of all this madness. It's nice to know this since we know that it's worth the effort to maintain a healthy relationship with upstream projects and various researchers. It is a goal of the Red Hat Security Response Team to work with anyone who approaches us with a flaw. The goal is to keep the users as safe as possible, which can occasionally make our lives a bit painful when dealing with difficult projects and researchers, but no doubt it's well worth it. [1] http://www.awe.com/mark/blog/200704101400.html == Security and Updates == In this section, we cover Security Advisories and Fedora Updates from fedora-package-announce. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/ === Security Advisories === * FEDORA-2007-422: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00023.html libXfont-1.2.8-1.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-423: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00024.html libXfont-1.2.8-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-424: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00027.html xorg-x11-server-1.0.1-9.fc5.7] * FEDORA-2007-425: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00028.html xorg-x11-server-1.1.1-47.8.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-426: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00029.html libX11-1.0.3-7.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-427: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00030.html libX11-1.0.0-4.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-433: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00038.html kernel-2.6.20-1.2312.fc5] * FEDORA-2007-432: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00039.html kernel-2.6.20-1.2944.fc6] === Fedora Core 6 Updates === * FEDORA-2007-402: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00018.html yum-3.0.5-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-418: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00019.html samba-3.0.24-4.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-419: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00020.html brltty-3.7.2-2.1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-420: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00021.html iputils-20070202-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-396: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00025.html dhcp-3.0.5-4.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-340: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00026.html system-config-printer-0.7.52.1-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-346: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00031.html ghostscript-8.15.4-1.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-429: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00032.html selinux-policy-2.4.6-54.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-437: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00033.html iputils-20070202-3.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-431: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00034.html lftp-3.5.9-0.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-377: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00035.html subversion-1.4.3-2.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-439: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00036.html tar-1.15.1-25.fc6] * FEDORA-2007-441: Fedora Core 6 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00037.html tetex-3.0-34.fc6] === Fedora Core 5 Updates === * FEDORA-2007-421: Fedora Core 5 Update: [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-April/msg00022.html samba-3.0.24-4.fc5] == Events and Meetings == In this section, we cover event reports and meeting summaries from various projects. === FESCo Meeting Summary: 2007-04-05 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00148.html === Packaging Committee Meeting 2007-04-10 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00242.html === Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2007-04-12 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00242.html == Feedback == This document is maintained by the Fedora News Team[1]. Please feel free to contact us to give your feedback. If you'd like to contribute to a future issue of the Fedora Weekly News, please see the Join[2] page to find out how to help. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 17 16:09:37 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:09:37 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: FWN email format] Message-ID: <1176826177.3286.142.camel@erato.phig.org> -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Thomas Chung To: Julius Luukko On 4/16/07, Julius Luukko wrote: > > So I ask you to consider adding the topic list back to the announcement email. Thank you for your feedback. We'll add back TOC in the email in the future issues. --- Thomas and all: First, sorry for the ways we've messed up the working formula of FWN. At least we were able to shake some readers up enough to write in about it. :) To address the concerns, it sounds like we want to format FWN this way: Issue # Table of Contents (h1, h2) (Body of Content) Below is a copy of the ToC from the latest issue. Is it too long? An alternative would be for us to do what Thomas did in the past -- identify seven or eight topics as headlines and push those up for attention. Then followed by a ToC? Or just the body of the content? More work, but more use. Makes it more traditionally news-like. Fedora Weekly News Issue 83 1. Announcements 1. Fedora Wiki Accounts 2. Fedora-Extras-List going to be closed end of this week 3. Fedora Development (2007-04-11) Live i386 image available 2. Planet Fedora 1. Fedora's Pidgin Plan 2. Spread Open Media 3. Developments 1. Bad gnome-user-share, Bad! 2. Mgetty Still Maintained ? Or, How To Patch And Rebuild From Source RPMs 3. Administrative Tools Emancipated From GTK+ Tyranny 4. Readahead Lists Need an Update For Rawhide? 5. DELL firmware packaging Saga Continues. A Bug Gets Squished In rpmUtils.updates.py 6. When Will iwlwifi Work? 7. Where are VirtualProvides Documented? 8. RFE: Mirror/server Do Not Remove Old Kernel From Updates 9. Three Changes to Packaging Guidelines: 1. Binary Firmware; 2. Post-Release Naming, 3; BuildRoot Prepping 10. Bugzilla Policy: Should FC4 Bug Filing Be Banned? 4. Maintainers 1. "FC6" in Fedora 7 2. Packaging Guideline Changes 3. Fedora 7 Test 4 Freeze 5. Documentation 1. Fedora 7 Desktop User Guide 2. Common Snippets 6. Translation 1. Release Notes Deadlines 2. More on Entities 7. Infrastructure 1. Email Addresses 2. The Wiki 8. Artwork 1. Fedora Underground Pilot 2. Echo Icons 9. Security Week in Review 1. In This Week 2. Schneier on Security 3. Apache.org 4. FreeRADIUS 5. Mark Cox 10. Security and Updates 1. Security Advisories 2. Fedora Core 6 Updates 3. Fedora Core 5 Updates 11. Events and Meetings 1. FESCo Meeting Summary: 2007-04-05 2. Packaging Committee Meeting 2007-04-10 3. Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2007-04-12 12. Feedback -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 17 16:48:44 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:48:44 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: FWN email format] In-Reply-To: <1176826177.3286.142.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1176826177.3286.142.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704170948v383cc17fw58cf4b8b0154efcc@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Thomas Chung > To: Julius Luukko > > On 4/16/07, Julius Luukko wrote: > > > > So I ask you to consider adding the topic list back to the announcement email. > > Thank you for your feedback. > We'll add back TOC in the email in the future issues. > --- > > Thomas and all: > > First, sorry for the ways we've messed up the working formula of FWN. > At least we were able to shake some readers up enough to write in about > it. :) > > To address the concerns, it sounds like we want to format FWN this way: > > Issue # > > Table of Contents (h1, h2) > > (Body of Content) > > Below is a copy of the ToC from the latest issue. Is it too long? > > An alternative would be for us to do what Thomas did in the past -- > identify seven or eight topics as headlines and push those up for > attention. Then followed by a ToC? Or just the body of the content? > More work, but more use. Makes it more traditionally news-like. > > > Fedora Weekly News Issue 83 > 1. Announcements > 1. Fedora Wiki Accounts > 2. Fedora-Extras-List going to be closed end of > this week > 3. Fedora Development (2007-04-11) Live i386 image > available > 2. Planet Fedora > 1. Fedora's Pidgin Plan > 2. Spread Open Media > 3. Developments > 1. Bad gnome-user-share, Bad! > 2. Mgetty Still Maintained ? Or, How To Patch And > Rebuild From Source RPMs > 3. Administrative Tools Emancipated From GTK+ > Tyranny > 4. Readahead Lists Need an Update For Rawhide? > 5. DELL firmware packaging Saga Continues. A Bug > Gets Squished In rpmUtils.updates.py > 6. When Will iwlwifi Work? > 7. Where are VirtualProvides Documented? > 8. RFE: Mirror/server Do Not Remove Old Kernel From > Updates > 9. Three Changes to Packaging Guidelines: 1. Binary > Firmware; 2. Post-Release Naming, 3; BuildRoot > Prepping > 10. Bugzilla Policy: Should FC4 Bug Filing Be > Banned? > 4. Maintainers > 1. "FC6" in Fedora 7 > 2. Packaging Guideline Changes > 3. Fedora 7 Test 4 Freeze > 5. Documentation > 1. Fedora 7 Desktop User Guide > 2. Common Snippets > 6. Translation > 1. Release Notes Deadlines > 2. More on Entities > 7. Infrastructure > 1. Email Addresses > 2. The Wiki > 8. Artwork > 1. Fedora Underground Pilot > 2. Echo Icons > 9. Security Week in Review > 1. In This Week > 2. Schneier on Security > 3. Apache.org > 4. FreeRADIUS > 5. Mark Cox > 10. Security and Updates > 1. Security Advisories > 2. Fedora Core 6 Updates > 3. Fedora Core 5 Updates > 11. Events and Meetings > 1. FESCo Meeting Summary: 2007-04-05 > 2. Packaging Committee Meeting 2007-04-10 > 3. Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2007-04-12 > 12. Feedback In the past, I only used TOC in my email announcement. Since the transition, I start using the actual news content in the email just like many other distro weekly newsletters (Debian, Ubuntu etc). What is missing from last 3 issues is TOC since I just simply copy and paste from Raw Text from Wiki. Starting next issue, I'll make sure to add TOC on top as well as the content in my email weekly newsletters in the future. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 19 02:44:12 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:44:12 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 6 Update web site In-Reply-To: <4626BAF0.9020309@fedoraproject.org> References: <4626BAF0.9020309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704181944s605add3ama138e4f18a67bcb5@mail.gmail.com> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Lux Zhang" > To: Fedora-list > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:38 +1000 > Subject: Fedora Core 6 Update web site > Hi > I like to check the update details on > Fedora Core 6 Update at http://fedoranews.org/cms/FC6 > It seems this web site hasn't updated for weekes. Anyone know s why or where > to look for rpm update details? > > thanks As you may know, we moved Fedora Weekly News from fedoranews.org to fedoraproject.org a few weeks ago. As a result, I stopped updating "Fedora Core 6 Updates" on fedoranews.org instead you will find "Security and Updates" section in recent issues of FWN. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Archive I also keep updates the most recent Fedora Updates information at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/SecurityUpdates As a future plan, I'm also considering putting together Fedora Updates on fedoraproject.org wiki pages somewhat similar to what I have done in the past. http://fedoranews.org/updates/ In the mean time, please check update details from fedora-package-announce archive. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/ Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Apr 21 21:42:21 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:42:21 +0100 Subject: Fedora-docs + arts-list ready Message-ID: <3263b11b0704211442g452f7e5dv4ead189bed27c15f@mail.gmail.com> Just finished work on these lists. Hope they're OK, felt a bit bitty this week :S Also, had a weird problem with one of the headings on Fedora-docs...I'm probably doing something obviously wrong but in defense I'm tired! Anyway, best wishes to all, Jon From tchung at fedoraproject.org Sun Apr 22 03:32:13 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:32:13 -0700 Subject: Fedora-docs + arts-list ready In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704211442g452f7e5dv4ead189bed27c15f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0704211442g452f7e5dv4ead189bed27c15f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704212032y5feafd6cnb5c0cac5efa21288@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Just finished work on these lists. Hope they're OK, felt a bit bitty > this week :S > > Also, had a weird problem with one of the headings on > Fedora-docs...I'm probably doing something obviously wrong but in > defense I'm tired! > > Anyway, best wishes to all, > > Jon Thank you Jon! Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Sun Apr 22 05:48:49 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "FWN/Beats/Developments" by RahulSundaram] Message-ID: <1177220929.3286.455.camel@erato.phig.org> I'm not so sure it was pointless to identify when f-devel-l gets hijacked and what the consequences are. Not feeding the trolls on list is pretty important, but talking about the consequences and facts of it all seems like it might be useful. The slight derisive tone is interesting to me, as well. So, I'm not sure that I disagree with Rahul. I'm also not sure that I agree. -------- Forwarded Message -------- The following page has been changed by RahulSundaram: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Developments?action=diff&rev2=73&rev1=72 The comment on the change is: pointless ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01088.html 2. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01101.html - - === A Very Confusing Thread With No Apparent Point === - A very long thread [1] which started out with a generalised complaint about multimedia support and wandered into LiveCD generation led to a repeated call from DavidZeuthen to please not feed the trolls and to leave @fedora-devel clear for development discussions. - - The thread wasn't so much a train-wreck as a multi-vehicle pileup in the fog. Survivors wandered out confused and with suspected injuries, unsure of where they'd ended up. - - 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00954.html -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I really value the information volunteered by participants on that list and I'd hate to see them decide that it wasn't worth the trouble. > The slight derisive tone is > interesting to me, as well. I definitely didn't want it to be derisive, so I apologize if it's perceived that way by anyone. I honestly think that the metaphor of it being a confused collision in the fog is apt. I don't think the main complainants had done much/any research on the issue and it's hard to pick out any concrete point about development that they were making. All that results from discussion of non-specific and hence non-fixable complaints is frustration and frayed tempers. If the section is seen as "derisive" then it should definitely go though, with my apologies to anyone insulted by it and I should be more careful in tone. Maybe the last paragraph should be cut? Oisin From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 01:25:00 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:55:00 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "FWN/Beats/Developments" by RahulSundaram] In-Reply-To: <1177220929.3286.455.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1177220929.3286.455.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <462C0AEC.3020701@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: > I'm not so sure it was pointless to identify when f-devel-l gets > hijacked and what the consequences are. Not feeding the trolls on list > is pretty important, but talking about the consequences and facts of it > all seems like it might be useful. The slight derisive tone is > interesting to me, as well. The impression that would create is that we are deliberating deriding criticism just because we don't want to hear it. Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 23 03:09:26 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:09:26 -0700 Subject: doing my quick edits Message-ID: <1177297766.3286.554.camel@erato.phig.org> Things look really good so far, just doing a quick edit over everything; shouldn't step on Thomas' toes I hope. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe the last paragraph should be cut? Eh, sorry, I was quick to choose words and send. Derisive is too harsh; it was probably just a reaction to the phrase "feed the trolls". I know you were reporting what was said; I think the derisive tone is something that could be applied to the people you were reporting about. This references back to Rahul's comment that we don't want to be seen as unable to take criticism. How about ... a link to an explanation of the "Feed the trolls", or a longer article on the subject of some kind? Something to show that it is a general and very important concept in FLOSS. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are more consistent across the board with our usage, etc., week-over-week. Very nice! - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 07:04:12 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:04:12 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 84 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704230004s37727809x48bde268c1ac7007@mail.gmail.com> = Fedora Weekly News Issue 84 = Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 84[1] for the week of April 15th through April 21st, 2007. The latest issue can always be found here[2] and RSS Feed can be found here[3]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue [3] http://feeds.feedburner.com/fwn [[TableOfContents]] 1. Fedora Weekly News Issue 84 1. Announcements 1. F7T4 and SATA/IDE Testing (This Means You!) 2. Multi-Lingual Release Announcement 3. firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org is going away 2. Planet Fedora 1. The XO in the Real World 2. PIdgin hits Rawhide 3. Design a Linux logo for an Indy Racing Car 4. Volunteers Needed on Fedora Docs Project 3. Developments 1. Packaging Extensions for Mozilla Applications: Security Implications 2. L10N Issue With system-sonfig-samba, Support or Bugreport? 3. Fedora 7 Release Notes Freeze: Going, going ... 4. Broken Dependencies in Fedora Extras. Mikmod To Be Reverted. Packagers: Watch For Dlopens! 5. KDE LiveCD -- English Only, And Which parted GUI? 6. Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree? 7. Extras i386 Mock Rebuild -- Large Number of Failures Due to Yum Bug 8. How To Deal With Binary Incompatibility Introduced By Compiler Changes 9. The Great PERL Package Split 10. Add Option To Experiment With updates-testing To Firstboot? 4. Maintainers 1. How To Handle GPL Exceptions 2. Release Notes Freeze For Fedora 7 5. Documentation 1. FDSCo Meeting Minutes 2. Invite a Member 3. Default Home Page Links 4. Virtualization Guide 6. Translation 1. Entity Switchback 7. Infrastructure 1. Fedoraproject.org Email 8. Artwork 1. Echo SVGs 2. Default Test 4 Icon Theme 9. Security Week 1. Risk report: Two years of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 2. Macbook hacked at CanSecWest 10. Security Advisories 1. Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories 2. Fedora Core 5 Security Advisories 11. Events and Meetings 1. Release Engineering Meeting: 2007-04-16 2. Release Engineering Meeting: 2007-04-19 3. Packaging Committee Meeting: 2007-04-17 4. FESCo Meeting Summary for 2007-04-19 5. Event Report: ICT Week - PETRONAS University of Technology (Malaysia) 6. Event Report: FISL 8.0 (Brazil) 12. Feedback == Announcements == In this section, we cover announcements from various projects. === F7T4 and SATA/IDE Testing (This Means You!) === WillWoods announces in fedora-test-list[1] - This is your early warning that F7 Test4 - the last of the pre-F7 test releases[2] - is coming out NEXT WEEK. IF YOU HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH DISK DETECTION AND/OR OTHER DISK-RELATED THINGS, please read this! One of the biggest changes in F7 is the new IDE driver stack, which uses libata (like the SATA drivers do). Not only are IDE hard drives now called /dev/sdX, but they're using new and interesting code. This could be (and has been) causing some problems relating to drive detection at boot time and install time, especially with upgrades from FC6 and earlier. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-April/msg00289.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraTesting === Multi-Lingual Release Announcement === KarstenWade announces in fedora-marketing-list[1] - The time has come to produce the final list of talking points[2] we want covered in the F7 release. By producing this list, we are enabling writers to write a native-language, region-specific version of the Fedora 7 release announcement. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-April/msg00093.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ReleaseAnnouncements/TalkingPoints === firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org is going away === MikeMcGrath announces in fedora-announce-list[1] - Please note that in one week (April 25th) firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org email addresses are going away. These reasons are purely technical. People that need exceptions should contact someone on the infrastructure team[2] or stop by #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net for consideration on a case by case basis. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-April/msg00004.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure == Planet Fedora == In this secton, we cover a highlight of Planet Fedora - an aggregation of blogs from world wide Fedora contributors. http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ === The XO in the Real World === JohnPalmieri points out in his blog[1] - "The FISL congress is over and it was great talking to the enormous amount of people who showed interest in the XO learning laptop and the OLPC project[2]. It was nice to see people's interest turn into large smiles by the time I was done explaining the project and answering their questions. Many stayed for fifteen minute or more and some even came back multiple times to play around with the machines and ask more questions." "The experience made the long hours working the booth worth it. It also affirmed to me the real reasons I decided to work on the project when given the chance to switch from Red Hat's desktop group." [1] http://www.j5live.com/?p=357 [2] http://www.laptop.org/ === PIdgin hits Rawhide === WarrenTogami points out in his blog[1] - "A pre-beta7 snapshot of pidgin-2.0.0[2] is in FE7, and gaim is now removed from Core. This gives us a small window for gaim-* plugin package maintainers to rename the plugin packages, and for everyone to test that an upgrade from gaim to pidgin goes smoothly for the core application and all plugins." "nautilus-sendto seemed to be the only package within Core with a dep on gaim. I have rebuilt nautilus-sendto without that gaim dep for now. We will be able to re-add it later only after the distributions are merged, since pidgin is now in Extras. We have put pidgin directly into Extras in order to avoid issues where it must build against other packages in Extras like meanwhile-devel." [1] http://wtogami.livejournal.com/16260.html [2] http://www.pidgin.im/ === Design a Linux logo for an Indy Racing Car === MairinDuffy points out in her blog[1] - "Thought you open source artists out there might be interested: Tux 500 Logo Contest[2]" [1] http://mihmo.livejournal.com/40576.html [2] http://tux500.com/contest.php === Volunteers Needed on Fedora Docs Project === JohnBabich points out in his blog[1] - "I am reading with concern regarding the great work that three individuals are doing on the Fedora 7 Release Notes: Paul, Rahul and Karsten. They do a terrific job with the result being best-in-class documentation[2] for each release of Fedora Linux. They are three highly-committed people who work behind-the-scenes to do a mostly thankless job." "Therefore, I am appealing to the Fedora community (and beyond) to contribute time and talent to help keep Fedora one of the best community distros available." [1] http://jmbuser.livejournal.com/1450.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join == Developments == In this section, we cover the problems/solutions, people/personalities, and ups/downs of the endless discussions on Fedora Developments. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/ === Packaging Extensions for Mozilla Applications: Security Implications === Firefox, Thunderbird, and other applications often have optional and popular functional extensions available. The code for these does not pass through the Fedora packaging process, and updating/removing them is not recorded in the rpmdb, leading to external code (in the applications with the most security problems [1]) being installed without trace. [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/04/18/risk-report-two-years-of-red-hat-enterprise-linux-4/#id1549680 VilleSkytt? remembered [2] a conversation from the past that suggested there was some interest in packaging the extensions. He was specifically interested in making it easier to obtain a 64-bit version of enigmail. ChristopherAillon responded that the only way he could see of doing it was a bit ugly [3], by querying RPM in %post and requiring triggers. OwenTaylor had some opposite experience with mugshot, which uses triggers but avoids the RPM queries; it might be useful to anyone seeking to package Firefox extensions [4]. [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00855.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00858.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00859.html EnricoScholz wondered [4a] why Firefox was packaged in a way that seemed inimical to an rpm-based system (using versioned directories in /usr/lib). Christopher explained that this was because of a non-stable ABI, and that Enrico's proposed alternatives seemed a bit hackish [4b], but Enrico remained unconvinced based on his experience with packaging 15 extensions for Firefox-1.5. OwenTaylor agreed with Enrico that the packaging of Firefox seemed to have no advantage other than for parallel installs of different versions [4c]. [4a] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00876.html [4b] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00881.html [4c] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00888.html Owen was further of the opinion that actual binaries were profitably packaged but that if it was just script (e.g. XUL or JavaScript), it was best to leave the end-user to deal with it themselves. Countering, EnricoScholz brought up the security angle [5] and also the simplicity and ease of use that we've all grown accustomed to from Fedora's repositories. ChristopherAillon introduced a distinction between trust and security and referenced the recent Mozilla Developer's Summit that discussed this issue, leading AndrewOverholt to request further details to aid in a similar problem facing Eclipse packagers [6]. [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00868.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00873.html This was an interesting discussion that could affect a large number of projects. Extensibility through scripting is something that many applications offer, and if there's an easy way to re-use other people's code, then that will be taken by many end users regardless of risks. === L10N Issue With system-sonfig-samba, Support or Bugreport? === In a pleasant and productive exchange, AlainPortal pointed out some problems with the presence of two strings in a pot[1] file, leading to a non-translatable interface for system-config-samba. His attempts to get the attention of the maintainer prompted a gentle caution [2] from GilboaDavara that @fedora-devel was not a support list and that it would be better to file a bugzilla entry. The developer, NilsPhillipsen, wasn't disturbed and didn't think that he was being pestered for support [3] and encouraged a bugzilla entry. [1] ''pot'' files are a standard, human-readable way of providing for localization of string in software. http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#Files [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01088.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01101.html === Fedora 7 Release Notes Freeze: Going, going ... === KarstenWade announced [1] on Friday April 20th 2007 that there were only 24 hours to get changes to the release notes incorporated into the ISO. The good news is that the Web-based release notes can be updated any time, so if you miss(ed) this deadline, then you can still communicate essential information. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01125.html For those of us that have suffered with weird Sony VAIO cdrom install issues in the past, ChuckAnderson raised a very useful question [2] about whether the current information in the release notes was useful (after the move to libata). [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01128.html AlanCox was worried that anyone that had one of these VAIOs (with external CDROM) would not be able to install F7 and asked that if anyone does have one, to do an "lspci -vxxxx" with the cardbus controller inserted and to send it to him [3]. [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01133.html === Broken Dependencies in Fedora Extras. Mikmod To Be Reverted. Packagers: Watch For Dlopens! === The April 19th 2007 automatically generated report of broken dependencies in Fedora Extras [1] revealed that an update of mikmod was playing havoc with a lot of packages. HansdeGoede was one of the maintainers of many of these and along with others argued that it was far too late in the release cycle to introduce a change like this. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01047.html JindrichNovy agreed, and while admitting to being the guilty party, explained that mikmod was pretty stagnant and that the beta fork had some worthwhile improvements [2]. He suggested making this change after the release of F7. [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01110.html DominikMierzejewski ('Rathann') was bitten [3] by the perl packaging problems mentioned in this same FWN issue. [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01060.html After HansdeGoede suggested that the list might be incomplete, MichaelSchwendt asserted that the tool that generates these reports (repoclosure) was pretty smart. Hans didn't deny this but wondered if it would miss some specific cases [4], such as a library being explicitly loaded within code by dlopen, and thus avoiding rpm's autodependency generation. Michael assented to this and said that it was the responsibility of the packager to look out for this sort of thing. [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01087.html === KDE LiveCD -- English Only, And Which parted GUI? === The KDE LiveCD team has been making great strides to showcase what this highly polished desktop environment can bring to the Fedora user experience[1]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE/KDELiveCD SebastianVahl was concerned that this LiveCD is only available in English and he proposed two directions in which localized versions might be made available [2]. These boil down to either making a huge DVD, or else to making a good tutorial so that users of other languages can localize the CD for themselves. Comments are solicited. [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01034.html A decision also needs to be made about whether to go with gparted or qtparted[3]. According to CallumLerwick, GilboaDavra, and FrankSchmitt, ntfs-formatted partitions can be resized with gparted but not with qtparted[4] (which is seemingly unmaintained since 2004), and that gparted is going into the LiveCD on that basis[5]. [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01028.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01033.html [5] http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234082 === Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree? === JohnPoelstra posted details of the Release Engineering Meeting[1]. ThorstenLeemhuis was against one of the decisions made in the meeting: the rebuilding en masse of all packages at Test2 release time. His worries about the bandwidth impact versus the potential gains were discussed with DaveJones [2], who wondered if those that could be affected were likely to be running rawhide. Thorsten argued that while they might not, they could still be affected if they simply tried to upgrade from a stable release of Fedora N to Fedora N+1. A brief exchange with AxelThimm unearthed the difficulty of obtaining concrete historical data as to what extent Fedora was rebuilt in the past, but the figures looked high. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00900.html 2. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00904.html In a separate branch of the same discussion, Axel came out very strongly in favor of the rebuilds [3], asserting that in essence avoiding rebuilds is just papering over the cracks and shifting bugs from development to maintenance, and that it is better to identify security and other problems and fix them prior to release. 3. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00909.html Following input from JakubJelinek [4], JesseKeating noted that rebuilds should not be carried out merely to shake the tree and see what falls out, but when there are specific problems expected due to large changes in some critical components. 4. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00942.html === Extras i386 Mock Rebuild -- Large Number of Failures Due to Yum Bug === MattDomsch posted the latest report on Dell's rebuilding of Extras packages in mock[1]. As usual, this report contains details of how many packages built/failed to build succesfully. MamoruTasaka noticed that one of the reported failures actually built succesfully for him[2]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00894.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00895.html HansdeGoede and MarcinZaj?czkowski were also surprised to see their names appear [3] and didn't think there was a reason for their packages to break. JesseKeating noticed that the version of yum being used by Matt was lacking a crucial bug fix and that many of the failures were a result of that rather than a problem with the packages themselves. The errors were false-negatives rather than false-positives and Matt wasn't too concerned about having to rebuild the tiny fraction compared to the thousands that had been succesfully processed. [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00950.html === How To Deal With Binary Incompatibility Introduced By Compiler Changes === As always, Fedora aggressively pursues the latest stable versions of software, including essential components of the compiler toolchain. PatriceDumas was worried about the potential for binary incompatibility resulting from the introduction of gfortran as a replacement for the aging g77[1]. AndrewHaley sought clarification[2] of the problem that Patrice was trying to solve, suggesting that using an "soname" was the usual way to track changes in the Application Binary Interface (ABI) [2a]. Patrice argued that this would lead to using a different soname version in Fedora than was being used upstream [3]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00890.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00916.html [2a] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_Binary_Interface [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00926.html It seemed that there was some confusion and JakubJelinek helpfully suggested[4] that what was at issue was not the binary compatibility of essential compiler libraries, but rather the potential for creating a namespace clash between sonames of other libraries that have been built with different ABI versions of the compiler. This would make user-compiled binaries made with older versions of the library fail to link properly to the library, but it would not be possible to detect the error because the soname would be the same. Jakub clarified that what should be done is to talk to upstream for each library about a name change. [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00935.html LinusWallej, EmmanualSeymann, and AndrewHaley further clarified that rebuilding all these user-compiled programs dependent on a library with a non-stable ABI was The Fedora Way[5]. Linus also suggested that getting the programs into Fedora if they were generally useful would be a good idea[6] and observed that many vendors target RHEL instead because they like the stability of the ABI whereas Fedora will do (within reason) whatever is innovative. Patrice seemed happy with the outcome, but also believed that more documentation about ABI practices was required. [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00934.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00971.html === The Great PERL Package Split === In line with the principle of modularizing packages as much as possible, RobinNorwood announced[1] the splitting of development packages out of the main perl package. The current situation is that each current perl package has a "BuildRequires:perl-devel" dependency. This results in users being concerned and confused that they have a "devel" package on their system when they did not request it. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00886.html Robin outlined the two main ways of fixing this as discussed on @fedora-perl-devel: 1) fix each package by removing the requires; 2) fix each package and also split out 5, or so, other development related packages and add them to the buildroots. Robin sought feedback from maintainers on their preferred option. Some early feedback from key project members indicated that such major restructuring would be preferred after the release of F7. Robin, while apologizing for the late timing, pointed out the benefits and relatively low cost[2] as he saw it. MattDomsch wondered how widespread the breakage would be and JasonLTibbitts and ChrisAdams made some estimates, noting that it wasn't only every perl- package, but at least 100 others[3]. MattMiller and others argued that such breakage would quickly alert the package owner who could then fix it easily. VilleSkytt? and RalfCorsepius raised problems with this fix[4]. [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00972.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00993.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01012.html RalfCorsepius and ChrisAdams wondered [5] about the problem of a package that was generated using autoconf, which would just leave any optional perl dependencies out and build the package without failure, but with reduced functionality. This was agreed to be a corner-case that could be neglected. [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01016.html JesseKeating and ChrisWeyl [6] were concerned with the problem of what might be, in effect, a Fedora-centric redefinition of what could be considered to be "core" PERL modules. Jesse's over-riding concern was that anyone wanting to rebuild from shipped SRPMs should be able to do so easily[7]. [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01065.html [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg00980.html === Add Option To Experiment With updates-testing To Firstboot? === Following up on a suggestion of DaveJones', ChrisBrown suggested that firstboot be modified to ask users whether they wanted access to the updates-testing packages[1]. WillWoods thought[2] that it would be better to draw attention to, and inform users about, repoman. One of the concerns that Chris sought to address is that updates-testing gets little actual testing. LukeMacken and JackTanner discussed[3] the problem of removing packages from update-testing that had failed community QA; in passing, Luke noted that in future all non-security updates would have to pass through testing, which might help to revitalize it. Luke also drew attention to bodhi, which should make pushing updates easier in the future. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01072.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01119.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01176.html == Maintainers == In this section, we cover Fedora Maintainers, the group of people who maintain the software packages in Fedora https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/ === How To Handle GPL Exceptions === Starting off the week on the fedora-maintainers-list was a question from a concerned Fedora package reviewer who was unsure how to handle an exception clause in the GPL license[1]. Rahul Sundaram chimed in saying that if the GPL exception restricts the license it may cause problems, but if it's more lax then it should be fine. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00305.html === Release Notes Freeze For Fedora 7 === This week also marked the freeze for the ISO-based release notes. Changes to the release notes now only affect the web-based release notes as the process of converting the release notes from the Wiki to XML has started[1]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00432.html == Documentation == In this section, we cover the Fedora Documentation Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject === FDSCo Meeting Minutes === Both the log[1] and the summary[2] for the 2007-04-15 meeting are available here: [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/date.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00101.html The main topics included updates to the Desktop User Guide for Fedora 7, Fedora 7 Test 4 release notes, some more Google Summer of Code thoughts and also some discussions about the Administration Guide. === Invite a Member === The new Fedora accounts system will have the ability for existing members to invite friends, or others they think would be interested in helping out with Fedora, to join the project. MikeMcGrath requested ideas on the best phrasing for these e-mail invites[1]. PaulWFrields replied with his suggestion of an appropriate message[2]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00104.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00105.html === Default Home Page Links === There was a proposal that it might be a good idea to include links to some sites related to Free Culture, in a broader sense than software alone, on the default Fedora 7 home page. The original proposal suggested that sites such as Jamendo or Magnatune would be a worthwhile addition[1]. Concerns were raised that this might transform the home page in to an advertising medium, resulting in some users losing faith in the standards of the home page[2]. Perhaps this is an opportunity to define exactly what criteria are required for inclusion in the homepage[3]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00114.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00129.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00135.html === Virtualization Guide === The Virtualization Guide needed updating for Fedora 7 to include information on KVM[1], which was promptly addressed[2]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00133.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00147.html == Translation == This section, we cover the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N === Entity Switchback === PaulFrields posted this message[1] which detailed the changes to xml2po (now xml2po -e). He also mentioned that the number of fuzzy entries appears to be fewer than initially thought. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00065.html == Infrastructure == In this section, we cover Fedora Infrastructure Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure === Fedoraproject.org Email === MikeMcGrath made the email changes[1] discussed last week so that the firstname.lastname at fedoraproject.org are no longer valid. The change was made because of duplicity and processing problems. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00155.html == Artwork == In this section, we cover Fedora Artwork Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork === Echo SVGs === MatthiasClasen reports that, while investigating the possibility of including SVGs in the Echo package to improve coverage of smaller icons, the size of the echo-icon-theme package increases to 70MB[1]. This lead to the discovery that some of the larger icons suffer from a number of bloat problems revolving around jpeg thumbnails and excess XML tags. A script was written that removes a lot of this bloat reducing the size of some icons considerably: 416K to 18K in one case.[2] There are still some problems with this script, resulting in some icons not rendering correctly, but it is being worked on constantly. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00064.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00065.html === Default Test 4 Icon Theme === As a result of the inclusion of Echo SVGs not being the quick-fix for smaller size coverage that was hoped, MatthiasClasen proposed that Bluecurve/Clearlooks may have to fall back to the default Fedora 7 icon theme[1]. This led to some discussion about possible alternative icon themes for Fedora 7 and Mist appeared as a popular choice[2]; Mist has now been made the default icon theme for Fedora 7 Test 4[3]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00085.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00087.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00102.html == Security Week == In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in Fedora. === Risk report: Two years of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 === MarkCox wrote an interesting article looking at the last two years of security flaws in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4[1]. The information in this article is interesting to anyone who tracks open source security flaws. There is not a lot of public analysis of open source security flaws. The article does focus on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4, but the trends represented apply to any Linux distribution. [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/04/18/risk-report-two-years-of-red-hat-enterprise-linux-4/ === Macbook hacked at CanSecWest === Apple's OS X is currently gaining attention in the security world[1]. Historically people have considered OS X to be very secure and mostly virus and hack free. This is starting to change as researchers have been paying attention to the Mac lately. Part of this is probably the challenge it presents. Those of us in the Linux world have been enjoying a similar situation. There is little fear of viruses, and as long as one applies security updates, there isn't much fear of being compromised. [1] http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-6178131.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news There are many people who will argue that the real reason for this is that Linux is more secure by design. I believe it's a combination of things. Historically Linux users have been a bit more savvy, this is starting to change. In the past, the desktop was also very simple. This too is changing. As Gnome and KDE gain functionality, they also gain more security flaws. For example, the fact that the desktop will display a thumbnail of many different file types gives an attacker a doorway into a system. They of course need to convince a user into downloading a file, but as we've seen from many viruses, this is not as hard as it sounds. I hope that various technologies such as SELinux and Exec-Shield will help keep most of the trash away, the human factor cannot be fixed as easily. As long as people are willing to open attachments, and visit random web sites, viruses will exist. As a friend of mine used to say "We're OK until the toaster people start using it." The "toaster people" are the normal people confused by the knob on their toasters :) == Security Advisories == In this section, we cover Security Advisories from fedora-package-announce. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/ === Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories === * FEDORA-2007-453: tcp_wrappers-7.6-40.3.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-453 * FEDORA-2007-436: coreutils-5.97-12.5.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-436 * FEDORA-2007-434: hplip-1.7.2-3.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-434 * FEDORA-2007-452: openoffice.org-2.0.4-5.5.22 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-452 * FEDORA-2007-451: scim-tables-0.5.7-2.1.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-451 * FEDORA-2007-442: selinux-policy-2.4.6-57.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-442 * FEDORA-2007-447: openoffice.org-2.0.4-5.5.21 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-447 * FEDORA-2007-428: yum-3.0.6-1.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-428 * FEDORA-2007-444: Fmc-4.6.1a-36.20070124cvs.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-444 * FEDORA-2007-415: php-5.1.6-3.5.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-415 * FEDORA-2007-440: [SECURITY] gstreamer-0.10.11-1.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-440 * FEDORA-2007-383: rhythmbox-0.9.8-2.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-383 * FEDORA-2007-410: tk2-2.10.8-3.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-410 === Fedora Core 5 Security Advisories === * FEDORA-2007-455: [SECURITY] php-5.1.6-1.5 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC5/FEDORA-2007-455 * FEDORA-2007-454: tcp_wrappers-7.6-40.3.fc5 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC5/FEDORA-2007-454 * FEDORA-2007-414: [SECURITY] Image``Magick-6.2.5.4-4.2.1.fc5.8 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC5/FEDORA-2007-414 * FEDORA-2007-445: mc-4.6.1a-36.20070124cvs.fc5 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC5/FEDORA-2007-445 == Events and Meetings == In this section, we cover event reports and meeting summaries from various projects. === Release Engineering Meeting: 2007-04-16 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-April/msg00113.html === Release Engineering Meeting: 2007-04-19 === * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01092.html === Packaging Committee Meeting: 2007-04-17 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00338.html === FESCo Meeting Summary for 2007-04-19 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00448.html === Event Report: ICT Week - PETRONAS University of Technology (Malaysia) === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00280.html === Event Report: FISL 8.0 (Brazil) === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00304.html == Feedback == This document is maintained by the Fedora News Team[1]. Please feel free to contact us to give your feedback. If you'd like to contribute to a future issue of the Fedora Weekly News, please see the Join[2] page to find out how to help. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 23 17:23:25 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:23:25 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704231012m7ca2ff2cs6754f4a0553784fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231012m7ca2ff2cs6754f4a0553784fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177349005.3286.589.camel@erato.phig.org> How should we handle errata? Since this is email, I think a resend to f-announce-l with a subject: "[errata] Fedora Weekly News Issue 84" ... then trim the email to just the errata'd section, showing the original, then put in the correction. I think disagreements about our opinions are not worthy of an errata. A different interpretation of the facts is not worthy of an errata. A factual error is worthy of an errata. FWIW, the "to rebuild or not rebuild" situation I found very confusing the entire time; I could not get a handle on the technical details enough to decide. On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 10:12 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > FYI... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Thorsten Leemhuis > Date: Apr 23, 2007 1:24 AM > Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over > Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 > To: Thomas Chung , rahulsundaram at gmail.com, > Karsten Wade > > > Hi, > > I found my name near a section where I think the text is misleading > (read: totally wrong): > > "ThorstenLeemhuis was against one of the decisions made in the meeting: > the rebuilding en masse of all packages at Test2 release time." > > The second part of that is not wrong; from the log of the meeting > referred to: > > "In the future we should consider a mass rebuild of all packages around, > but no later than test2" > > "Consider a mass rebuild" and "rebuilding en masse of all packages at > Test2 release time" are two totally different things. > > Further: I'm all for "considering a mass rebuild of all packages around, > but no later than test2". > > Please fix (in a ideal world: in a way that readers that have read it > see that something was corrected after the stuff was published) and > please be a bit more careful in the future. Thanks! > > CU > thl > > -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 23 17:27:13 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:27:13 -0700 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> Message-ID: <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 19:21 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Nevertheless could you guys sooner or later discuss the "Or are we > allowed to fix errors (like the two things mentioned above) ourself if > we find them?" question? tia! How would you envision fixing them? You could: * Respond on your own blog * Reply to f-announce-l with an errata * Reply to the list where the erroneous report came from, making it clear what the error is; then the reporter picks up the correction for next week It doesn't make sense to edit the Wiki; the content there is essentially gone once it is written into the newsletter. I think for something that is an obvious factual error on FWN's part, we should issue an errata, to f-announce-l; that at least is what I propose. That makes the errata "official". But if the situation were different, such as you disagreeing with an opinion or interpretation, then your only recourse is channels you have direct access to -- your own blog, email lists, etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 23 17:30:54 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:30:54 -0700 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <462CEBDB.2070502@fedoraproject.org> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <462CEBDB.2070502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1177349454.3286.599.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 22:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > All of the news is available in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats > before it gets published. I think it is good to review and fix things if > you can find them. The content is not due until Saturday, and in order to be timely, is written then or afterward. So there is a very short window. In addition, those sections are (AIUI) under ACLs. Why? Writing in certain locations needs authority and formality. To create a trustworthy news entity, we need to have more process and control in place than "anyone can post something as news". I wouldn't want to encourage or edit that. Anyone *can* post something as news; we all have blogs and mailing lists and can send email to f-announce-l. That doesn't mean that FWN should be open to all to write into. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 18:01:12 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:01:12 -0700 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704231101k214fcbcfi756bbebb5024a79d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > I think for something that is an obvious factual error on FWN's part, we > should issue an errata, to f-announce-l; that at least is what I > propose. That makes the errata "official". But if the situation were > different, such as you disagreeing with an opinion or interpretation, > then your only recourse is channels you have direct access to -- your > own blog, email lists, etc. We'll issue an errata if necessary after reviewing the readers' submission. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 18:08:14 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:08:14 -0700 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <1177349454.3286.599.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <462CEBDB.2070502@fedoraproject.org> <1177349454.3286.599.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704231108v2658458apb787c076bb7e2356@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > In addition, those sections are (AIUI) under ACLs. Why? Writing in > certain locations needs authority and formality. To create a > trustworthy news entity, we need to have more process and control in > place than "anyone can post something as news". I wouldn't want to > encourage or edit that. Anyone *can* post something as news; we all > have blogs and mailing lists and can send email to f-announce-l. That > doesn't mean that FWN should be open to all to write into. Yes, we encourage everyone to submit a news via fedora-news-list which is open to public. We also collect news from various mailing lists and planet fedora. Any news you feel needs to corrected, please submit "Errata Request." We'll review the news and submit an Errata FWN to fedora-announce-list if necessary. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Apr 23 17:48:29 2007 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:48:29 +0200 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <462CF16D.7000000@leemhuis.info> Karsten Wade schrieb: > On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 19:21 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > >> Nevertheless could you guys sooner or later discuss the "Or are we >> allowed to fix errors (like the two things mentioned above) ourself if >> we find them?" question? tia! > > How would you envision fixing them? > > You could: > > * Respond on your own blog Hey, it's not such a big deal in this case -- that would hang it much to high IMHO. > * Reply to f-announce-l with an errata In important cases maybe. Not in this one. > * Reply to the list where the erroneous report came from, making it > clear what the error is; then the reporter picks up the correction for > next week Not sure. Just updating the page in cases like this probably is the best start; you of course should mark it somehow; e.g. put something like "[Update]" and "[/Update]" around it. Maybe with a food note "we accidentally wrote foo, but this was wrong and we corrected it now. Apologies for the trouble" -- well, something like that. > It doesn't make sense to edit the Wiki; the content there is essentially > gone once it is written into the newsletter. Agreed, but things happen. Fixing them in the wiki is better then letting wrong stuff stay there while it is the current issue. In addition it might be the best to mention the error and its fix in the next issue somewhere (a special errata section maybe) and everybody should be happy afaics. That how print magazines do it, too (at least here in Germany). > I think for something that is an obvious factual error on FWN's part, we > should issue an errata, to f-announce-l; that at least is what I > propose. If it's something important: yes. But only then. > That makes the errata "official". But if the situation were > different, such as you disagreeing with an opinion or interpretation, > then your only recourse is channels you have direct access to -- your > own blog, email lists, etc. Sure -- but for the two cases that got me to start this discussion it's not a matter of interpretation; some details simply gone wrong accidentally afaics. Or do you disagree? Cu thl P.S.: Here is the relevant part of the original mail I send: ---- [...] I found my name near a section where I think the text is misleading (read: totally wrong): ThorstenLeemhuis was against one of the decisions made in the meeting: the rebuilding en masse of all packages at Test2 release time." The second part of that is not wrong; from the log of the meeting referred to: "In the future we should consider a mass rebuild of all packages around, but no later than test2" "Consider a mass rebuild" and "rebuilding en masse of all packages at Test2 release time" are two totally different things. [...] ---- Ohh: s/not wrong/not correct/ in the second para of course ;-) From fedora at leemhuis.info Mon Apr 23 17:50:17 2007 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:50:17 +0200 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <1177349454.3286.599.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <462CEBDB.2070502@fedoraproject.org> <1177349454.3286.599.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <462CF1D9.4020806@leemhuis.info> Karsten Wade schrieb: > On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 22:54 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> All of the news is available in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats >> before it gets published. I think it is good to review and fix things if >> you can find them. > The content is not due until Saturday, and in order to be timely, is > written then or afterward. So there is a very short window. Probably :-/ That's life... > In addition, those sections are (AIUI) under ACLs. Why? Writing in > certain locations needs authority and formality. To create a > trustworthy news entity, we need to have more process and control in > place than "anyone can post something as news". I wouldn't want to > encourage or edit that. Anyone *can* post something as news; we all > have blogs and mailing lists and can send email to f-announce-l. That > doesn't mean that FWN should be open to all to write into. + 0,66 CU thl From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 18:18:19 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:18:19 -0700 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <462CF16D.7000000@leemhuis.info> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> <462CF16D.7000000@leemhuis.info> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704231118v57290d14v5798c2646074e532@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/07, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Agreed, but things happen. Fixing them in the wiki is better then > letting wrong stuff stay there while it is the current issue. In > addition it might be the best to mention the error and its fix in the > next issue somewhere (a special errata section maybe) and everybody > should be happy afaics. That how print magazines do it, too (at least > here in Germany). Yes, we'll fixed them on the wiki as well as issuing an Errata FWN if necessary. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From oisin.feeley at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 18:48:36 2007 From: oisin.feeley at gmail.com (Oisin Feeley) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:48:36 -0400 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704231118v57290d14v5798c2646074e532@mail.gmail.com> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> <462CF16D.7000000@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231118v57290d14v5798c2646074e532@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm confused. I thought I understood the issue, but obviously I don't. More importantly I'm not sure what the erratum should be? I like Thomas and Thorsten's idea of adding an erratum to the issue in which an error occurred, and also adding a brief erratum in the next issue. As Thorsten points out it's fairly normal practice for other publications. Apologies for getting it wrong, and for still not getting it. :( Does Thorsten have a suggestion for a brief clarification? That would help a lot. Oisin On 4/23/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/23/07, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > Agreed, but things happen. Fixing them in the wiki is better then > > letting wrong stuff stay there while it is the current issue. In > > addition it might be the best to mention the error and its fix in the > > next issue somewhere (a special errata section maybe) and everybody > > should be happy afaics. That how print magazines do it, too (at least > > here in Germany). > > Yes, we'll fixed them on the wiki as well as issuing an Errata FWN if > necessary. > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 23 19:17:24 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:17:24 -0700 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> <462CF16D.7000000@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231118v57290d14v5798c2646074e532@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704231217k4f870c8dhec300c784edbf27a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/07, Oisin Feeley wrote: > I'm confused. I thought I understood the issue, but obviously I > don't. More importantly I'm not sure what the erratum should be? > > I like Thomas and Thorsten's idea of adding an erratum to the issue in > which an error occurred, and also adding a brief erratum in the next > issue. As Thorsten points out it's fairly normal practice for other > publications. > > Apologies for getting it wrong, and for still not getting it. :( > > Does Thorsten have a suggestion for a brief clarification? That would > help a lot. > > Oisin I'm still waiting an official "Errata Request" from Thorsten. After we review the submission, we'll update the wiki and issue an Errata FWN if necessary. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fedora at leemhuis.info Tue Apr 24 04:54:06 2007 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:54:06 +0200 Subject: Regarding the section "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704231217k4f870c8dhec300c784edbf27a@mail.gmail.com> References: <462C6D40.4040900@leemhuis.info> <462C7100.9040509@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231016y2067ad9dvb374bf9b947e7a5b@mail.gmail.com> <462CEB33.2030604@leemhuis.info> <1177349233.3286.594.camel@erato.phig.org> <462CF16D.7000000@leemhuis.info> <369bce3b0704231118v57290d14v5798c2646074e532@mail.gmail.com> <369bce3b0704231217k4f870c8dhec300c784edbf27a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <462D8D6E.7030008@leemhuis.info> On 23.04.2007 21:17, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/23/07, Oisin Feeley wrote: >> I'm confused. I thought I understood the issue, but obviously I >> don't. More importantly I'm not sure what the erratum should be? >> >> I like Thomas and Thorsten's idea of adding an erratum to the issue in >> which an error occurred, and also adding a brief erratum in the next >> issue. As Thorsten points out it's fairly normal practice for other >> publications. >> >> Apologies for getting it wrong, and for still not getting it. :( >> >> Does Thorsten have a suggestion for a brief clarification? That would >> help a lot. > > I'm still waiting an official "Errata Request" from Thorsten. > After we review the submission, we'll update the wiki and issue an > Errata FWN if necessary. > Regards, Sorry, timezones are fun -- I shut down the computer and went to bed yesterday when the discussion started here. CU thl From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 24 22:21:45 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:21:45 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 84: Errata Message-ID: <369bce3b0704241521g29360e5cj5aa744af83adb50a@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Weekly News Issue 84: Errata has been published. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84/Errata Also, it has been linked from orginal FWN Issue 84. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From fedora at leemhuis.info Wed Apr 25 04:53:54 2007 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:53:54 +0200 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 84: Errata In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704241521g29360e5cj5aa744af83adb50a@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0704241521g29360e5cj5aa744af83adb50a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <462EDEE2.5090402@leemhuis.info> On 25.04.2007 00:21, Thomas Chung wrote: > Fedora Weekly News Issue 84: Errata has been published. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84/Errata > > Also, it has been linked from orginal FWN Issue 84. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 Thanks. Just wondering: Will you put in in issue #85, too? CU thl From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 25 05:37:34 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:37:34 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 84: Errata In-Reply-To: <462EDEE2.5090402@leemhuis.info> References: <369bce3b0704241521g29360e5cj5aa744af83adb50a@mail.gmail.com> <462EDEE2.5090402@leemhuis.info> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704242237x167c487apac3bcd26ed912b8a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/07, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > On 25.04.2007 00:21, Thomas Chung wrote: > > Fedora Weekly News Issue 84: Errata has been published. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84/Errata > > > > Also, it has been linked from orginal FWN Issue 84. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue84 > > Thanks. Just wondering: Will you put in in issue #85, too? > > CU > thl I think we will. In the future, we'll post Errata section to next following issue. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 30 04:07:10 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:07:10 -0700 Subject: editorial pass incoming (29-Aug-2007) Message-ID: <1177906030.3470.108.camel@erato.phig.org> I'm about to do an editorial pass, as long as Thomas isn't about to put FWN to bed for the week. First I'll pop these munchkins into their little beds, then I'll look here and at the Wiki to see where Thomas is at. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 30 07:07:16 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:07:16 -0700 Subject: editorial pass incoming (29-Aug-2007) In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0704292211x159c048bs175cfc0f47c7289@mail.gmail.com> References: <1177906030.3470.108.camel@erato.phig.org> <369bce3b0704292211x159c048bs175cfc0f47c7289@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1177916836.3470.117.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 22:11 -0700, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 4/29/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > > I'm about to do an editorial pass, as long as Thomas isn't about to put > > FWN to bed for the week. First I'll pop these munchkins into their > > little beds, then I'll look here and at the Wiki to see where Thomas is > > at. > > Just went through all the beats and they look good so far. > I still need to remove "numbers" from Titles from Developments beats. > Other than that, I think we're ready to post. Yep, I'm done now, too. Looks good. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 30 07:19:27 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:19:27 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News Issue 85 Message-ID: <369bce3b0704300019h2ab47f83nc536d48dacf7c2e4@mail.gmail.com> = Fedora Weekly News Issue 85 = Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 85[1] for the week of April 22nd through April 28th, 2007. The latest issue can always be found here[2] and RSS Feed can be found here[3]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue85 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue [3] http://feeds.feedburner.com/fwn 1. Fedora Weekly News Issue 85 1. Announcements 1. Announcing Fedora 7 Test 4 (6.93) 2. Making the Merge Happen 2. Planet Fedora 1. Red Hat Magazine OLPC Articles 2. Red Hat Summit Compilation 3. 0-Day Fedora Kernels 4. Fedora Article in LWN 3. Marketing 1. Red Hat's JBoss to Adopt Fedora Model 4. Developments Mon, April 23 - Sat, April 28 2007 1. Root Filesystem Encryption Patch 2. RPM Packaging Feedback Sought and Received 3. Wow, Presto Rocks! 4. Pidgin Epoch Removed, Rawhide Updates Need Manual Correction 5. How To Get Your Packages Sponsored And Reviewed 6. Fedora7-Test4 Announced 7. Repowars II: Add Some EPEL "repotag" Duct Tape? 8. Standard Naming Scheme For KDE Components 9. kdebase And lftp Cause Rawhide Update Problem 10. The Merge Is Upon Us! 5. Maintainers 1. libperl & perl in Fedora 7 2. Guidelines Update 3. Fedora 7 Development Freeze 4. The Name For Fedora 7? 6. Documentation 1. Release Notes Freeze 2. Media Handling in Pirut 3. Knowledge Base? 7. Translation 1. Release Note POT/PO Files 8. Infrastructure 1. Operating Procedures 2. Sponsored vs Volunteers 9. Artwork 1. The Open Pallete 2. Echo SVG Fixed 3. Linuxtag Germany 10. Security Week 1. Firefox 1.5 Support Extended 11. Security Advisories 1. Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories 2. Fedora Core 5 Security Advisories 12. Events and Meetings 1. Release Engineering Meeting: 2007-04-23 2. Packaging Committee Meeting: 2007-04-24 3. Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-04-26 4. French Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-04-29 5. Event Report: CarolinaCon 2007 - North Carolina, USA 6. Event Report: FLISOL 2007 - Santiago, Chile 7. Event Report: FLISOL 2007 - Salvador, Bahia, Brazil 13. Errata 1. Erratum #1 2. Erratum #2 14. Feedback == Announcements == In this section, we cover announcements from various projects. === Announcing Fedora 7 Test 4 (6.93) === The Fedora Project is pleased to announce[1] the release of the fourth and final test release of Fedora 7! Test 4 is for beta users. This is the time when we MUST have full community participation. Without this participation both hardware and software functionality suffers. We need your help. Join us! This is the final test release before the Fedora 7 release, which is scheduled for May 24, 2007. For further information see [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-April/msg00006.html === Making the Merge Happen === JesseKeating announces in fedora-devel-list[1], "Test4 is out, Final looms, must have merge! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/CoreExtrasMerge is the working page for the merge status. I would like to get merged asap and shake out the problems and get some builds done before the final freeze. Please provide input!" [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01250.html == Planet Fedora == In this secton, we cover a highlight of Planet Fedora - an aggregation of blogs from world wide Fedora contributors. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet === Red Hat Magazine OLPC Articles === JohnPalmieri points out in hig blog[1], "For the general audience who wish to find out more about the OLPC project and the people working on it (or at least the ones in Cambridge, MA), part 2 of the OLPC video blog[2] is now online. For developers, part 2 of my Porting a PyGTK game to Sugar[3] series is also up. The first lesson focused on the game itself. This lesson shows the initial port." [1] http://www.j5live.com/?p=361 [2] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/04/25/inside-one-laptop-per-child-episode-02/ [3] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/04/26/building-the-xo-porting-a-pygtk-game-to-sugar-part-two/ === Red Hat Summit Compilation === JefSpaleta points out in his blog[1], "So I finally got around to poking at my digital music library and playing with rhythmbox again after almost a year after my move. I noticed the magnatune plugin and started poking at the available content in the catalog. Some of its not bad, but some of it's not to good. So instead of wasting my time hunting and pecking I decided to do a quick search for compilations. And I found this: The Red Hat Summit[2] Compilation[3]." [1] http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/9346.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ [3] http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/magnacomp-redhat/ === 0-Day Fedora Kernels === DaveJones points out in his blog[1], "A few days ago I fixed up the script that grabbed the latest kernel I built for Fedora and dumped it onto my people.redhat.com page. F7 users can now install the repo file[2] into /etc/yum.repos.d/ and have it grab those fresh kernels as soon as they're built without having to wait a whole day to get them from rawhide." [1] http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/77038.html [2] http://people.redhat.com/davej/kernels/Fedora/fc7/kernel.repo === Fedora Article in LWN === RahulSundaram points out in his blog[1], "LWN published a article titled Blaming Fedora[2] but really praising it for a strong policy on Free software. The discussions in the comments lead to me having a ongoing offlist very constructive conversations with Brett Smith, licensing compliance engineer from FSF on Fedora Free software analysis[3]. We are having good progress. I will post updates when we reach major milestones." [1] http://rahulsundaram.livejournal.com/11380.html [2] http://lwn.net/Articles/230042/ [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeSoftwareAnalysis == Marketing == In this section, we cover Fedora Marketing Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing === Red Hat's JBoss to Adopt Fedora Model === RahulSundaram points out in fedora-marketing-list[1], "The move would mean that JBoss[2] would deliver a Fedora-like community edition of its core software that only looks forward. As with the Fedora Linux project, no backward compatibility is guaranteed?Fedora is focused on the future and new features." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-April/msg00160.html [2] http://labs.jboss.com/ == Developments Mon, April 23 - Sat, April 28 2007 == In this section, we cover the problems/solutions, people/personalities, and ups/downs of the endless discussions on Fedora Developments. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list === Root Filesystem Encryption Patch === ThomasSwan posted[1] details of how to achieve an encrypted root filesystem on FC6 using LUKS[2]. Thomas was hoping to get his modified mkinitrd script into F7-Test4, but it was pointed out that firstly, F7t4 had already shipped[3] and secondly, that new features like this were not appropriate anyway during a final freeze[4]. All responding to Thomas made it clear that his contribution was not being rejected and that they hoped to see it in F8. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01217.html [2] http://www.cygnetech.com/linux/howtos/root_filesystem_encryption.php [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01221.html [4] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01225.html Thomas was happy enough with this and sought further feedback[5] on how to avoid problems with keeping the modified mkinitrd in sync with kernel updates. [5] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01226.html BrunoWolf III was less happy as he'd been hoping that these patches (which had been around for a while) would make it into F7 which would coincide with his need to upgrade some FC5 machines. He wondered[6] who had to be bugged to make the patches actually get incorporated? Thomas answered that he would be happy to assist Bruno patch F7 and intended to set up a yum repository to aid others. FlorianLaRoche pointed Bruno to the wiki, where information about this could be shared but this didn't satisfy Bruno. Finally, BillNottingham was drawn into the discussion and noted some problems[7] with the patches which was why he had not yet rolled them in. [6] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01227.html [7] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01276.html === RPM Packaging Feedback Sought and Received === Kelly (lightsolphoenix) looked for advice on some KDE packages that Kelly had produced[1]. TrondDanielsen suggested[2] that, as Kelly was interested in being a maintainer of these packages for Fedora, it would be a good idea to go through the official procedure[3]. RudolfKastl suggested that the SRPM packages would be useful, and Kelly responded with those packages and the spec files. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01202.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01208.html [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join === Wow, Presto Rocks! === Continuing the positive reactions to presto, RexDieter was excited[1] by his experiences with it. Rex wondered how the tools to create presto-enabled repositories were coming along and intoned the mantra "release early, release often." RichardHughes was also interested in these tools[2]. JonathanDieter pleaded end-of-term pressure and pointed to the tools in an unfinished state[3]. MartinSourada noted that he too saw huge savings in bandwidth (90%) for an update on FC6[4] and encouraged the inclusion of presto for F8. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01188.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01193.html [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01194.html [4] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01196.html === Pidgin Epoch Removed, Rawhide Updates Need Manual Correction === As a result of negotiations between AOL and the developers of Gaim[1], the program has been renamed to "Pidgin". WarrenTogami noted that the opportunity to remove the epoch had been missed with the original Fedora Extras 7 package[2], and that this was now corrected and rawhide users should manually fix the problem using: su -c "yum remove libpurple" su -c "yum install pidgin" The issue arose later in a rawhide user error report[3], manifesting as a missing "libpurple.so". "libpurple" is the renamed "libgaim". Another user reported that he did not have this problem with rawhide, but JoshBoyer was able to explain[4] that this was because he was not using the latest epochless package (which yum would refuse to update). TrondDanielsen also quickly provided a practical fix[5]. [1] http://www.pidgin.im/index.php?id=177 [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01195.html [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01238.html [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01242.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01240.html === How To Get Your Packages Sponsored And Reviewed === A query from AntonKuznetsov opened up a discussion about the proper way to submit software for review[1]. NigelJones posted links[2] to the specific package that Anton was talking about ("Profugus", a time-dependent automatic migrator of Xen kernels) and counselled patience, noting that the review process was at least two weeks usually and that Anton had only submitted the package ten days ago. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01268.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01270.html Nigel's informative email clarified an apparent confusion in the original post about the role of volunteer "pre-reviewers", who note problems with packages before they are formally reviewed by someone that can act as a sponsor. ManuelWolfshant who had pre-reviewed the package confirmed that this was the case[3]. [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01272.html PatriceDumas also suggested patience, and a part of his post that said there are some reviews that are years old surprised RahulSundaram[4], who felt that packages which had been in review for more than a few months should have their reviews closed as they were clogging up the process. Patrice argued that there was already a "stalled review" policy for dealing with this, and along with NigelJones pointed out several reasons for keeping such a review open. These included maintaining a continuous body of information, ease of contact with external upstream developers. JasonTibbits argued specifically against Rahul's assertion that software older than six months was probably obsoleted[5]. Jason also suggested that people should ping the reviewers more often, then closed with a promise to start reviewing again Real Soon Now (TM). [4] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01284.html [5] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01307.html RalfCorsepius provided an affirmative datapoint to Rahul's original question. JasonTibbitts felt that these were very atypical packages[6] and RexDieter thought that on occasion third-party repositories could be a positive way of getting more feedback, but Ralf didn't see that as true for his particular case[7] which failure he attributed to deficiencies in the rpmbuild system, the guidelines and the competence of "review monkeys"[8]. KevinKofler then proferred some mutual aid to Ralf[8a] as Kevin now owns a package and can thus perform review for those who don't need sponsors. [6] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01308.html [7] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01320.html [8] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01286.html [8a] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01338.html Jos?Matos pointed out that the merge of the Core and Extras repositories might have filled up the queue[9] and that in general things were working as they should be, and Anton posted thanks for all the feedback and information that he'd obtained[10]. [9] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01283.html [10] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01312.html === Fedora7-Test4 Announced === The final test of F7 was announced[1] by WillWoods on April 26th. The torrents were temporarily delayed[2], but are now available. There were several additions to the copious release notes: 1) AdamJackson pointed out[3] that users of integrated Intel graphics chipsets would be using a new modesetting driver by default. 2) DavidWoodhouse made the hearts of PS3 owners beat a little faster[4] by pointing out that F7 was the first Fedora to work out of the box on their box. 3) KevinKofler caught a small error[5] that implied that KDE was not in the spin [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01252.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01265.html [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01258.html [4] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01263.html [5] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01271.html RahulSundaram was not impressed with the move to rename the distribution as simply "Fedora". Following up on his questioning about whether this had been discussed by marketing, JoshBoyer said it had not been discussed on a public list, but on IRC[5a], and AxelThimm provided[6] an example of how this could lead to confusion centered around what was on the spin (on the DVD or multiple CDs) and what was available on the network in addition to this. There were a couple of suggestions, but no agreement (other than that naming sucks and that there was much confusion)[7][8]. [5a] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01292.html [6] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01325.html [7] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01334.html [8] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01342.html === Repowars II: Add Some EPEL "repotag" Duct Tape? === ThorstenLeemhuis moved a discussion from @fedora-maintainers in order to reach a wider audience[1]. This discussion concerned the Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL) repository[2] that aims to provide a way for high-quality Fedora packages to be provided for RHEL and related spinoffs such as CentOS and Scientific Linux. Repository tags (repotags) are an optional addition to the name of a package, which mainly served the purpose in pre-Extras days of providing brand-recognition between the many excellent, competing repositories. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01232.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/ Thorsten led off with some personal observations, but wished to concentrate on what seemed to him the most important thing: a political problem whereby some would feel that EPEL had been privileged over other "outside the fence" repositories which had to use a repotag, while EPEL did not. Bearing all this in mind, Thorsten was specifically soliciting discussion prior to any of the concerned steering bodies voting[4] on his concrete proposals to solve the problem. FernandoLopez-Lezcano was largely in agreement[5] with Thorsten's scheme to use defines in the EPEL buildsystem to add a repotag, while simultaneously leaving the Fedora buildsystem undisturbed. [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines [4] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01305.html [5] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01297.html AxelThimm was also mainlu in agreement with the proposal[6], and JefSpaleta provided one of his usual informative and thoughtful takes on the situation[7], which characterized it as a general usability problem, limited by the design of the current tools. Jef also roughly outlined how package signatures /might/ be used to get around this in the future, a proposal which drew some favourable comment from Fernando. [6] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01326.html [7] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01266.html === Standard Naming Scheme For KDE Components === In further naming scheme news, Kelly (lightsolphoenix) wondered whether the names of various KDE components should be patterned after the GTK ones[1]. TomTromey wondered the same thing about emacs dependent pieces and JonathanUnderwood explained that it depended on whether they were solely for emacs, Xemacs, or could be used on both[2]. RexDieter pointed Kelly to a draft packaging guideline for KDE[3], and recommended following upstream in the meantime. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01311.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01335.html [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01314.html === kdebase And lftp Cause Rawhide Update Problem === An attempt to update kdebase and lftp on rawhide left DavidHunter seeking help[1] when everything he'd tried failed. Mark and JoshBoyer both suggested a nodeps erasure of the current versions of the packages[2] as an immediate practical workarounds. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01235.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01237.html JesseKeating acknowledged the workarounds, but wanted to get to the bottom of the problem and asked for bugzilla reports, prompting MichaelSchwendt to explain that these were the result of temporary breakage in rawhide[3] due to known causes. [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01245.html MamoruTasaka gave a reply specifically on the lftp problem[3a] and RexDieter stepped in to help with the kdebase problem[3b], which seemed to be to do with the OP mixing in packages from the kde-redhat repository with Fedora's own kde package. Jesse was still unhappy with this because it would not preserve an upgrade path within rawhide (which is a desideratum according to recent FESCo meetings). To this end he proposed an Obsoletes/Provides, which neither PatriceDumas nor MichaelSchwendt were enthusiastic about[4]. Michael's argument seemed to suggest that there are several ways in which an upgrade path within rawhide are not always be practical. [3a] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01246.html [3b] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01249.html [4] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01259.html === The Merge Is Upon Us! === Drawing our attention to the imminence of merging, JesseKeating asked for input[1] on the plans to merge. After a query from HansdeGoede about gstreamer plugins, MatthiasClasen posted a tracker bugzilla entry[2] for items that would have to happen post-merge and freeze. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01250.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01264.html == Maintainers == In this section, we cover Fedora Maintainers, the group of people who maintain the software packages in Fedora https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-maintainers === libperl & perl in Fedora 7 === Due to build issues, libperl.so was originally going to be moved[1] from the perl package into its own sub-package; however, all has been corrected in the Perl camp for rawhide users. Perl was multilib in Fedora Core 6 due to Gaim, but Jesse Keating has "whitelisted" perl to make it multilib again with Pidgin (Gaim) being in Extras. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00439.html === Guidelines Update === Clearing up the relationship between the packager and reviewer is an update to the Packaging Guidelines[1]. It is the responsibility of the reviewer to point out problems and it is the responsibility of the packager to correct the problem, while it is a combined responsibility to determine the severity. If the packager or reviewer feels a particular package should be exempt from the Packaging Guidelines[2], it must be brought to the attention of the Fedora Packaging Committee. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00484.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines === Fedora 7 Development Freeze === With Fedora 7 Test 4 now out the door, there is now a continual development freeze[1] until the May 24 release. During this time, only bug fixes will be accepted. Core packages must also be using the f7-final tag. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00582.html === The Name For Fedora 7? === With Fedora 7 quickly approaching, Jesse Keating[1] is also seeking Fedora maintainers to fill in the blank: Bordeaux -> Zod -> ? Zod is a , is a . Suggestions are to be run through the legal queue and then voting takes place afterwards. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00587.html == Documentation == In this section, we cover the Fedora Documentation Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject === Release Notes Freeze === The release notes wiki[1] is was temporarily frozen with the information being ported over to CVS for translators to begin their work, reports PaulFrields.[2] The wiki was unfrozen so notes can continue to be added up to Fedora 7 release; these additional notes are combined with the ISO-based release notes to be published as a Web-only release[3]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00154.html [3] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes === Media Handling in Pirut === RahulSundaram announced that he is working on updating the Software Management Guide[1] with the goal of releasing a new version for Fedora 7[2]. If you are interested in helping, you can find more details under the guide's working notes.[3] [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00174.html [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide/WorkingNotes There was also a request for help with documenting the support for media in the development version of Pirut. Although this feature is present, the required auto-configuration is not yet present in Anaconda and so the documentation is needed before release. If anybody is interested in helping with this send a post to the DocsProject mailing list.[4] [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00173.html === Knowledge Base? === Following the report of a bug with a simple fix, the idea of a knowledge base was briefly discussed. It is hoped that a knowledge base would provide the ideal location for one-off bugs such as this, which in turn might have the effect of making it easier for users to contribute docs.[1] [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00187.html == Translation == This section, we cover the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N === Release Note POT/PO Files === Release notes POT and PO files for Fedora 7 have been made available for translation, announced PaulFrields [1]. He also mentioned in his followup[2] the best ways to obtain the files. Localization of Fedora 7 release notes by translators was ongoing during the week, with the PO files due back to Fedora Documentation on 2 May[3]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00092.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00093.html [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#relnotes-schedule == Infrastructure == In this section, we cover the Fedora Infrastructure Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure === Operating Procedures === As part of organizing Infrastructure, MikeMcGrath has been working on some standard operating procedures (SOPs)[1] and has posted his work thus far[2]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00162.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/database?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Infrastructure%2FSOP&titlesearch=Titles === Sponsored vs Volunteers === A discussion started this week about tracking sponsored versus volunteer contributions to Fedora, with sponsored meaning the contribution was done as part of a for-pay work assignment by the contributor. This thread was started by RahulSundaram, who was interested in having these oft-requested statistics. The thread expanded to discuss the ideal of tracking all contributions made to Fedora, but it appears package maintainers are the first to be tracked[2]. It was emphasized that the tracking is optional; a contributor can opt not to supply this context of their contribution. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00165.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-April/msg00178.html == Artwork == In this section, we cover Fedora Artwork Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork === The Open Pallete === The second part of "The Open Pallete" - a series of articles in Red Hat Magazine[1] about open source graphics tools - has been published. This article is titled "Grungy Brushes", and discusses how to create brushes in Inkscape that can then be used in The Gimp. It's a great article and well worth a read for any budding (or experienced) open artists out there! NicuBuculei has also written some follow up articles which can be found linked from the original post.[2] [1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/04/22/the-open-palette-creating-grungy-gimp-brushes-using-inkscape/ [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00132.html === Echo SVG Fixed === Following last week's discussions about the problems with the echo-icon-theme's package size, a lot of work has occurred this week and all the icons have now been fixed[1]. The fixed icons can be found on a subpage of the Echo icon's wiki page[2]. It is unlikely that these updated SVGs can be added to the echo-icon-theme package before Fedora 7, however, as Fedora is now frozen for release.[3] [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00138.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Cleanup [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00139.html === Linuxtag Germany === GeroldKassube has requested help from the Fedora artwork team with a brochure and a banner for Linuxtag Germany[1] - one of the larger open source events in Europe with in excess of 10000 visitors throughout the week. If you feel you could help, read the post and send your reply to the Fedora Art list. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-April/msg00126.html == Security Week == In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in Fedora. === Firefox 1.5 Support Extended === The biggest security story from last week was the news that the life of Firefox 1.5 is being extended by upstream until mid-May[1]. The Mozilla project is planning to stop providing official updates for the 1.5 Firefox branch. They of course want to put their development effort into the 2.0 branch. The current plan for Red Hat and Fedora is to roll security patches into the 1.5 branch. Several distributions are going to work together to keep the 1.5 branch maintained with security patches since there is great interest in keeping 1.5 maintained for the immediate future. Chris Aillon explains this in a blog posting, "Mozilla Corp. to work more closely with Linux distributors"[2]. This action shows a huge strength of open source software and security maintenance. When a closed source application is distributed, you have to run whatever version the author wishes you to run. If an application has the source available, and the will exists, a version that no longer receives formal support can live on. [1] http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=21543 [2] http://christopher.aillon.org/blog/dev/mozilla/20061204-linux-alliance.html == Security Advisories == In this section, we cover Security Advisories from fedora-package-announce. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-package-announce === Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories === * FEDORA-2007-475 : rdesktop-1.5.0-2.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-475 * FEDORA-2007-473 : avahi-0.6.16-4.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-473 * FEDORA-2007-471 : eclipse-3.2.2-2.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-471 * FEDORA-2007-469 : system-config-date-1.8.12-2.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-469 * FEDORA-2007-449 : policycoreutils-1.34.1-7.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-449 * FEDORA-2007-411 : xsane-0.994-2.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-411 * FEDORA-2007-466 : dovecot-1.0.0-3.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-466 * FEDORA-2007-438 : xterm-225-1.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-438 * FEDORA-2007-456 : httpd-2.2.4-1.fc6 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-456 * FEDORA-2007-465 : m4-1.4.8-2 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC6/FEDORA-2007-465 === Fedora Core 5 Security Advisories === * FEDORA-2007-448 : poppler-0.5.1-3.fc5 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FSA/FC5/FEDORA-2007-448 == Events and Meetings == In this section, we cover event reports and meeting summaries from various projects. === Release Engineering Meeting: 2007-04-23 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-April/msg01214.html === Packaging Committee Meeting: 2007-04-24 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00507.html === Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-04-26 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00350.html === French Ambassadors Meeting: 2007-04-29 === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00366.html === Event Report: CarolinaCon 2007 - North Carolina, USA === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00346.html === Event Report: FLISOL 2007 - Santiago, Chile === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00361.html === Event Report: FLISOL 2007 - Salvador, Bahia, Brazil === * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-April/msg00362.html == Errata == >From time to time, we issue an Errata to correct Fedora Weekly News[1] published in previous week. We apologize for any confusion it may cause. If you feel a news needs to be corrected, please submit an "Errata Request" to Fedora News Team[2]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject === Erratum #1 === In FWN Issue #84, in the section entitled "Mass Package Rebuilds - Papering Over Cracks or Shaking the Tree?" we erroneously wrote: "JohnPoelstra posted details of the Release Engineering Meeting. ThorstenLeemhuis was against one of the decisions made in the meeting: the rebuilding en masse of all packages at Test2 release time." This should have read: "JohnPoelstra posted details of the Release Engineering Meeting. These included a note that a mass rebuild of all packages around, but no later than test2 will be considered in the future. ThorstenLeemhuis mentioned in a reply that he was against rebuilding en masse all packages for each cycle." === Erratum #2 === In FWN #84, in the section entitled "Packaging Extensions for Mozilla Applications: Security Implications" we misattributed an opinion to VilleSkytt?: "VilleSkytt? remembered a conversation from the past that suggested there was some interest in packaging the extensions. He was specifically interested in making it easier to obtain a 64-bit version of enigmail." This was in fact ThorstenLeemhuis, not VilleSkytt?. == Feedback == This document is maintained by the Fedora News Team[1]. Please feel free to contact us to give your feedback. If you'd like to contribute to a future issue of the Fedora Weekly News, please see the Join[2] page to find out how to help. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 08:35:46 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:35:46 +0300 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting 2007-04-29 Message-ID: <9d2c731f0704300135h4268372dtbbdd2a21ef3a0485@mail.gmail.com> Thomas / Karsten: Please include the meeting minutes and summary for the 2007-04-29 Fedora Docs Meeting in the LWN. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes for links and details. Thanks, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Apr 30 11:13:44 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:13:44 +0100 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting 2007-04-29 In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0704300135h4268372dtbbdd2a21ef3a0485@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0704300135h4268372dtbbdd2a21ef3a0485@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0704300413n4b8baed7je29c9d72bf7589c2@mail.gmail.com> John, sorry that was my fault since I write that section - I've included the link in the past but noticed there was another section dedicated to meeting stuff (there was right, I'm not crazy?!) in past issues so thought I'd try to avoid duplication... sorry :S Jon On 30/04/07, John Babich wrote: > Thomas / Karsten: > > Please include the meeting minutes and summary for the 2007-04-29 > Fedora Docs Meeting in the LWN. > > See > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes > > for links and details. > > Thanks, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Apr 30 11:14:03 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:14:03 +0100 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting 2007-04-29 In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704300413n4b8baed7je29c9d72bf7589c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0704300135h4268372dtbbdd2a21ef3a0485@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0704300413n4b8baed7je29c9d72bf7589c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0704300414t160cc609if9303200a933a30d@mail.gmail.com> p.s. I'll include it again in the future if needs be. From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 30 17:37:51 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:37:51 -0700 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting 2007-04-29 In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0704300413n4b8baed7je29c9d72bf7589c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0704300135h4268372dtbbdd2a21ef3a0485@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0704300413n4b8baed7je29c9d72bf7589c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0704301037l1b222b62jb8d66d763e36fb01@mail.gmail.com> On 4/30/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > John, sorry that was my fault since I write that section - I've > included the link in the past but noticed there was another section > dedicated to meeting stuff (there was right, I'm not crazy?!) in past > issues so thought I'd try to avoid duplication... > > sorry :S No problem. Please go ahead and include the meeting minutes in documentation section. We'll edit/review/remove if necessary before we post. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung