From awilliam at redhat.com Tue Sep 1 17:08:57 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:08:57 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 191 In-Reply-To: <17fa59580908310907l52d9a519o3aecfba67c2ab734@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9BE226.7040708@nd.edu> <4A9BEF18.5010003@fedoraproject.org> <4A9BF49A.9020106@nd.edu> <17fa59580908310907l52d9a519o3aecfba67c2ab734@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1251824937.2260.0.camel@adam.local.net> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 12:07 -0400, Rashadul Islam wrote: > Thanks Rahul, pascal , nicolo for the correction. > The name sounds female to me as there is no picture on the wiki > profile. > Sorry for the unintentional mistake. Just for information: the female version of the name is usually spelled 'Jessie'. When you see it spelled 'Jesse' it's usually male. The pronunciation is identical. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From irashadul at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 01:45:06 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:45:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 191 In-Reply-To: <1251824937.2260.0.camel@adam.local.net> References: <4A9BE226.7040708@nd.edu> <4A9BEF18.5010003@fedoraproject.org> <4A9BF49A.9020106@nd.edu> <17fa59580908310907l52d9a519o3aecfba67c2ab734@mail.gmail.com> <1251824937.2260.0.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <17fa59580909011845w29419225p1e57f57da11ba373@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 12:07 -0400, Rashadul Islam wrote: > > Thanks Rahul, pascal , nicolo for the correction. > > The name sounds female to me as there is no picture on the wiki > > profile. > > Sorry for the unintentional mistake. > > Just for information: the female version of the name is usually spelled > 'Jessie'. When you see it spelled 'Jesse' it's usually male. The > pronunciation is identical. > > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > http://www.happyassassin.net > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > Thank you Adam. It's resourceful information for me. :) @Rashadul Islam irashadul at gmail.com rislam at irc.freenode.net GPG KEY: 5557BFAC Fingerprint=CFB7 CAEC 157A 308A F9CE CE00 3620 8084 5557 BFAC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 05:45:04 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:45:04 -0400 Subject: Fedora print magazine proposal from Linux Pro Magazine Message-ID: <4AA0A960.20401@redhat.com> Marketing! Logistics! Documentation! News! Design! Ambassadors! (If I've missed a group that should know about this, please forward it on and let me know.) Linux Pro Magazine (LPM) has proposed to make a special Fedora print issue for F12 - thousands of magazines out on newsstands internationally with an F12 DVD tucked inside. This would be very, very cool. We're trying to figure out whether this is possible, whether we should do it, and (if both of those are "yes"), how the balance of work would be distributed between the Fedora community (perhaps with help from the Red Hat Brand team) and LPM. We'd love your thoughts and feedback. This is moving quite rapidly (it first came up on Wednesday afternoon; we need to give a yes or no for F12 next week), so I've summarized the current state of things on a project page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. We would particularly love your ideas for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Contribution_balance. Rikki Kite from LPM is being absolutely awesome about transparency for this entire process, has made a version of the proposal for public consumption (it's all the information that we have, minus financials and circulation numbers): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal. If you have any questions, please add them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Questions - myself, Max Spevack, Karsten Wade, and David Nalley will be calling Rikki and the folks at LPM tomorrow (Friday), so that'll be a first chance (definitely not the last!) to get some of these questions answered. --Mel PS: One of the most surprising things I've learned in the last 24 hours is that the good folks down in LATAM are already doing a Fedora magazine - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#Of_Magazine_work_done_by_the_Fedora_community. Ambassadors *rock.* From awilliam at redhat.com Fri Sep 4 19:54:02 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:54:02 -0700 Subject: QA beat in Message-ID: <1252094042.2260.49.camel@adam.local.net> QA beat is done for 192. YAY LONG WEEKEND! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 21:46:52 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:46:52 -0700 Subject: QA beat in In-Reply-To: <1252094042.2260.49.camel@adam.local.net> References: <1252094042.2260.49.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <7a0d56080909041446n58f16bdpeccbcc872cd4fbb7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > YAY LONG WEEKEND! Begs the question: Is 192 still going out on Monday? Larry Cafiero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I added a section on the Fedora print magazine proposal (which has *literally* come up at the last moment and hasn't been talked about at a meeting yet, and so normally probably wouldn't make it into the beat.) --Mel On 09/06/2009 08:39 PM, chaitanya mehandru wrote: > Hi, > The Marketing beat is done for the week. Please check the > link:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Marketing and let me know > errors/mistakes, if any. > Thanks, > Chaitanya Mehandru > cmehandru at gmail.com From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 7 04:44:21 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:44:21 -0400 Subject: The announcement BEAT has done updating for the week 35 of the year 2009 In-Reply-To: <17fa59580909061647j123a993an4d9c488017739c5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <17fa59580909061647j123a993an4d9c488017739c5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA48FA5.20501@nd.edu> Many thanks, Rashadul! - pascal On 06/09/09 07:47 PM, Rashadul Islam wrote: > Dear Editors: > > Greetings from me! > The announcement beat has been done updating for the week. > Please check at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Announcements > > Thanks for posting announcement to Fedora announcement list, devel list, > and event wiki - from where the ANNOUNCEMENT BEAT is being updated > always. Feel free to update any mistakes made by me. > > > Thanking you, > > Rashadul Islam > irashadul at gmail.com > rislam at irc.freenode.net GPG KEY: 5557BFAC > Fingerprint=CFB7 CAEC 157A 308A F9CE CE00 3620 8084 5557 BFAC > > From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 7 04:45:26 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:45:26 -0400 Subject: Marketing beat in for the week In-Reply-To: <24b40b2b0909061739o5d2aa2c6idf1b35fd8fa8a9e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <24b40b2b0909061739o5d2aa2c6idf1b35fd8fa8a9e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA48FE6.8020903@nd.edu> Excellent, thanks, Chaitanya -- and Mel! - pascal On 06/09/09 08:39 PM, chaitanya mehandru wrote: > Hi, > The Marketing beat is done for the week. Please check the > link:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Marketing and let me know > errors/mistakes, if any. > Thanks, > Chaitanya Mehandru > cmehandru at gmail.com From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 7 14:32:26 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:32:26 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 192 Message-ID: <4AA5197A.2080202@nd.edu> o 1.1 Announcements o 1.2 Fedora 12 (Constantine) + 1.2.1 The Fedora Project and IPv6 + 1.2.2 Licensing policy for apps developed by Fedora Infrastructure now in effect + 1.2.3 Upcoming Events o 1.3 Planet Fedora + 1.3.1 General o 1.4 Marketing + 1.4.1 Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-01 + 1.4.2 Release deliverables + 1.4.3 Briefing Ambassadors about F12 + 1.4.4 Fedora Insight updates + 1.4.5 Marketing-fu++ + 1.4.6 Marketing Research + 1.4.7 Fedora print magazine proposed o 1.5 Ambassadors + 1.5.1 Registration opens for Utah Open Source Conference + 1.5.2 Fedora at free software workshop at KLN Madurai + 1.5.3 Get on the map + 1.5.4 Get the word out about your F11 event o 1.6 QualityAssurance + 1.6.1 Test Days + 1.6.2 Weekly meetings + 1.6.3 Zsync feasibility + 1.6.4 Installation testing SOP update + 1.6.5 Test Day summaries + 1.6.6 Mediawiki Semantic plugin testing o 1.7 Translation + 1.7.1 Transifex Version Upgrade on translate.fedoraproject.org + 1.7.2 Translations for Transifex Moved to www.transifex.net + 1.7.3 RPM Module Removed + 1.7.4 New Members in Fedora Localization Project o 1.8 Artwork + 1.8.1 A Chilean Logo o 1.9 Virtualization + 1.9.1 Fedora Virtualization List # 1.9.1.1 KSM Tuning Service # 1.9.1.2 Host Iptables Settings for Bridged Guests + 1.9.2 Fedora Xen List # 1.9.2.1 Xen Domain0 Kernels - Fedora Weekly News Issue 192 - Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 192[1] for the week ending September 6, 2009. What follows are some highlights from this issue. Our issue kicks off with announcements, including news that major segments of fedoraproject.org and the Fedora Project infrastructure now support IPv6, and details of a new licensing policy for apps developed by the Fedora infrastructure team. News from Planet Fedora is back in this issue, covering interesting posts and commentary from the Fedora blogosphere. In marketing news, coverage of the major marketing deliverables for releases, and how Fedora Ambassadors can assist with F12 marketing, along with an exciting proposal for a Fedora special issue of Linux Pro Magazine that is being considered. In Ambassador news, details on the upcoming Utah Open Source Conference and a report from a free software workshop at KLN Madurai. In Quality Assurance news, updates from recent Test Days and Fit and Finish test days, along with all the week's news of team meetings. The Translation beat provides us with various Transifex-related updates coming soon. In Design news, a request for a logo for a Fedora Chilean event. Our issue completes with a variety of virtualization-related news, including new Fedora 12 features, and future developments to the Xen dom0 kernels. Enjoy FWN 192! If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list at redhat.com The Fedora News team is collaborating with Marketing and Docs to come up with a new exciting platform for disseminating news and views on Fedora, called Fedora Insight. If you are interested, please join the list and let us know how you would like to assist with this effort. FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue192 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Announcements -- In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project[1] [2] [3]. Contributing Writer: Rashadul Islam 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/ 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/ 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events --- Fedora 12 (Constantine) --- ---- The Fedora Project and IPv6 ---- The top news of the week was the Fedora Project and IPv6 by Fedora Infrastructure Lead and project coordinator Mike McGrath. Mike had announced [1] that as part of the constant effort toward supporting current and future standards, major segments of fedoraproject.org and the Fedora Project infrastructure now support IPv6. He also mentioned, "our self-hosted websites have already been converted, and we plan to include IPv6 GeoIP support in MirrorManager soon." Mike extended special thanks to Matt Domsch from Dell and our friends at ibiblio.org for their invaluable assistance on behalf of the Fedora Project. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-August/msg00012.html ---- Licensing policy for apps developed by Fedora Infrastructure now in effect ---- Toshio Kuratomi on Development-Announcement announced,[1] "Over the past few months, Fedora Infrastructure has been discussing having a consistent set of licenses for applications and scripts we create for Fedora." On his specific details, he informed everyone about the the goals of doing this, the basics, the uses of GPLv2 or later. "The one other thing for Infrastructure developers and System Admins to note in the Policy is the section on handling AGPLv3 applications. During the discussions about whether to use AGPLv3+ for our web applications we found and delimited many issues that need to be addressed when deploying AGPLv3+ licensed code. The aGPL portion of the policy is our first attempt at keeping us compliant with any code that is under this license.", highlighted by Toshio. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00000.html --- Upcoming Events --- Mark your agenda with the following events. Please, consider attending or volunteering at an event near you! * North America (NA)[1] * Central & South America (LATAM)[2] * Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)[3] * India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)[4] 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_2 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_3 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_4 -- Planet Fedora -- In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin 1. http://planet.fedoraproject.org --- General --- It has been about four weeks since the last installment of Planet Fedora here, so we'll be presenting a mix of interesting topics covering that time period. Normal weekly coverage should resume next week. Nicu Buceli expressed[1] concern about The Great Panda Debate. "Already Panda iz in ur computer, developing Fedora". M?ir?n Duffy did a few sets of UI mockups for Fedora. The first mockup[2] was of a new look for the Fedora Spins site. The other[3] was for a new set of screens for handling advanced storage device configuration in Anaconda. Colin Walters showed off[4] mockups of the new Gnome 3 shell, which radically changes the way that applications are launched and managed. Andrew Overholt mentioned[5] that a new version of the Eclipse Linux Tools (0.3.0) has been released. Eye candy included. Jef Spaleta analyzed[6][7] the productivity of Fedora packagers and the rate that the number of Fedora packages and Fedora packagers has changed over the last few releases. M?ir?n Duffy looked at[8] the "Getting Fedora" survey results. Also, further discussion[9]. Mark J Cox examined[10] the security vulnerabilities affecting RHEL between release 5.3 and (the just-released) 5.4. Tim Waugh described[11] how printing has improved and is more flexible in Fedora, now that PolicyKit has been integrated with CUPS. Michael DeHaan presented[12] a vision for fedorahosted.org. Luis Villa asked[13] if "there a state of the art for free software project bounties?" Mathieu Bridon continued[14] developing a git-aware BASH prompt. Mel Chua explained[15] "How the zikula-based test instance of FI was put up, part 1". (Zikula is the new CMS that is being deployed for a number of Fedora sites) Nicu Buceli posted[16] photos from FLOSSCamp 2009. Richard Hughes stumbled[17] upon an interesting bug in gnome-power-manager, where the screen will suddenly blank, even though the system is in active use. Richard W.M. Jones answered[18] the question "How does mount load the right kernel module?" Kamil P?ral introduced[19] zsync, a tool that can efficiently synchronize binary files over a network. "It allows you to download a file from a remote server, where you have a copy of an older version of the file on your computer already. zsync downloads only the new parts of the file." 1. http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/08/great-panda-debate.html 2. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/fedora-spins-site-idea/ 3. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/anaconda-advanced-storage-devices/ 4. http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/25818.html 5. http://overholt.ca/wp/?p=135 6. http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/46759.html 7. http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/47023.html 8. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/getting-fedora-survey-results/ 9. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/getting-fedora-survey-result-discussion/ 10. http://www.awe.com/mark/blog/20090902.html 11. http://cyberelk.net/tim/2009/08/11/policykit-and-printing/ 12. http://michaeldehaan.net/2009/08/11/a-vision-for-fedorahosted-org/ 13. http://tieguy.org/blog/2009/08/12/state-of-the-art-for-bounties/ 14. http://blog.fedora-fr.org/bochecha/post/2009/08/A-git-aware-prompt-%28part2%29 15. http://blog.melchua.com/2009/08/16/how-the-zikula-based-test-instance-of-fi-was-put-up-part- 1/ 16. http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/08/report-flosscamp-2009.html 17. http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/gnome-power-manager-and-blanking-removal-of-bodges/ 18. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/how-does-mount-load-the-right-kernel-module/ 19. http://kparal.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/zsync-transfer-large-files-efficiently/ -- Marketing -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Marketing Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing Contributing Writer: Chaitanya Mehandru --- Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-01 --- Meeting logs [1] and notes [2] for the 2009-09-01 Fedora Marketing Meeting were made available. All Marketing meetings and notes are open to the public. [3] Lot of people turned up for this week's meeting and many topics were covered. Thanks for the interest shown! --- Release deliverables --- This bread and butter stuff covers feature profiles, talking points, release announcements -things that have to come out every cycle.The complete schedule is available[4]. For F12 talking points and feature profiles, Mel Chua pointed out the need for recruiting college marketing classes to sprint on mentorship/editing/feedback/reviewing. Mel identified/updated the needs for the release cycle: release slogans,briefing ambassadors,Fedora Insight Status/Questions, Modules/Packaging Status("Zikula guruhood needed"), press kits, screenshots, F12 tour, Workflow, Skins/Design, "Increasing our Marketing-fu", marketing research, marketing plan to work with RH marketing folks, projects for newcomers, marketing classroom with Sean Daly and later in the pipeline will be: press kits, screenshots, F12 tour. --- Briefing Ambassadors about F12 --- Ambassador can help greatly in bringing out what is marketing doing. Ambassadors/Students/Newcomers interested in some real marketing stuff can add their questions to the queue[5]. Our search is on for ambassadors/students who would be interested in working on marketing deliverables. --- Fedora Insight updates --- Three words: "Workflow is settled". Thanks to Robyn Bergeron. The workflow will be posted soon [6]. Technical Zikula deployment is going very rapidly. --- Marketing-fu++ --- Please add your valuable comments on the marketing plan[7] before Mel goes ahead and discusses it with RedHat folks. Sugar Labs's Sean Daly will be coming in for a Fedora Classroom session on Marketing for open source projects when he gets back from vacation(expecting him to be back by this week or the next) --- Marketing Research --- While fedora-centric style of research continues with its own importance, ideas & opinions were expressed on community-style research where the research benefits not only the fedora users but also those developing open-spurce projects in general. An open-source market research repository might also be started to help foster the whole community of OSS. --- Fedora print magazine proposed --- Linux Pro Magazine has proposed printing a special Fedora issue around the launch of F12. [8] We are trying to explore whether this might be a possibility, and if so, whether it's something that we as a community want to pursue. [9] Conversations on various team mailing lists are ongoing - please join the conversation for the topics you are interested in! [10] 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-20.01.html 2. Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-20.01.log.html 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings 4. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-marketing-tasks.html 5. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/3 6. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Workflow 7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/MarketingPlan 8. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal 9. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine 10. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine#History -- Ambassadors -- In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors --- Registration opens for Utah Open Source Conference --- Registration is now open for Utah Open Source Conference 2009, to be held in Salt Lake City, Utah, from Oct. 8-10. This is the third year of this annual event, and Fedora is one of the sponsors. Fedora will have a booth at the event and those in the area are urged to attend the event and are welcome to help out. For more information on staffing the booth, contact Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-at-fedoraproject-dot-org. --- Fedora at free software workshop at KLN Madurai --- Arun Sag conducted one day Free software workshop on 29th August, at KLN Madurai for the pre-final year CSE and IT students. The session started with an introduction to free software and philosophy. Fedora 11 was installed in 30+ Lab machines for hands on. The response from the students was excellent. Hospitality was good. Fedora 11 DVDs were distributed to all the participants. Arun would like to thank HOD of CSE department, KLN and final year student Dhivakaran for organizing this event successfully. Pictures of the event [1] --- Get on the map --- Want to find the nearest ambassador? How about one in Belarus? Now you can. Susmit Shannigrahi reports that finding out the nearest ambassadors, which was once a tedious task, is now as simple as viewing a map. The map is at here and instructions on how to place yourself on the map can be found at here. --- Get the word out about your F11 event --- Fedora 11 was released recently and with it a variety of activities around the release will be forthcoming. As such, with the upcoming release of Fedora 11, this is a reminder that posting your event on Fedora Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with announcements of upcoming events -- and don't forget to e-mail reports after the events as well. 1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/saga123/sets/72157622066191653/ -- QualityAssurance -- In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1]. Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA --- Test Days --- Last week's main track Test Day[1] was on Sugar on a Stickthe Fedora-derived USB stick distribution which features the Sugar desktop environment that is the default desktop for the OLPC project. Not too many people showed up to test, but we did get a solid set of results, and this was the first test day to experiment with a new result reporting system based on the Semantic MediaWiki plugin. This coming week is special from a Test Day perspective: it's Video Test Week! There will be not one but three main track Test Days, one for each of the major video adapter manufacturers. Wednesday 2009-09-09 is ATI/AMD Radeon Test Day[2]. Thursday 2009-09-10 is NVIDIA Test Day[3]. And last but not least, Friday 2009-09-11 is Intel graphics Test Day[4]. As always, graphics drivers are one of the most vital parts of the Fedora experience, and the three main drivers have received their usual round of significant changes since the last release, so we encourage everyone to come out on the appropriate Test Day for their hardware and help test. There will be live images available, so you don't need Rawhide - or even Fedora - installed to test: you just need to show up, download a live image, run some simple tests to see how well the graphics work, and report your results. This will help us immensely to make sure Fedora 12 has good support for as much graphics hardware as possible, so please do come along! Each Test Day will run all day and be held in Freenode IRC #fedora-test-day. If you're not sure how to use IRC, see this page[5]. Next week's Fit and Finish[6] project Test Day[7] will be on sharing - sharing files, printers, music, and even remote desktop functionality. This area is critical to many users but often overlooked, so please come along to help refine it! The Test Day will be held on Tuesday 2009-09-08 in Freenode IRC #fedora-test-day. If you would like to propose a main track Test Day for the Fedora 12 cycle, please contact the QA team via email or IRC, or file a ticket in QA Trac[8]. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-03_SoaS 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-09_Radeon 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-10_Nouveau 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-11_Intel 5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish 7. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-08_Fit_and_Finish:Sharing 8. http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ --- Weekly meetings --- The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-08-31. The full log is available[2]. David Pravec reported that he had created the test-announce mailing list[3] for important QA and BugZappers event announcements. James Laska reported that he had not yet been able to talk to Liam Li about refining the install test plan to be more achievable within the timeframe for each snapshot release. He had improved the Dracut Test Day test cases. He had also spoken to Mike McGrath about the impact of nightly Rawhide images on the resources of alt.fedoraproject.org. Mike had not yet seen or had reported any major problems, but would like to be kept in the loop when new milestones are released. Adam Williamson asked if Infrastructure had any numbers for downloads of the nightly images. James did not know, but would ask. Jesse Keating reported that he had built the new version of autotest for the AutoQA project to test. James Laska and Will Woods were in progress on testing it, and would report next week. Will Woods reported on the progress of the AutoQA project. They had spent the week writing documentation, collected in the AutoQA category on the Wiki[4]. There are pages on how to write hooks and tests for AutoQA, and also pages on how AutoQA and autotest work. Will emphasized that no particular knowledge of how AutoQA itself works is required to write tests and hooks that can be used with it, and it's best to write tests and hooks before worrying about wrapper code to use them in AutoQA. In the coming week, they were planning to work on a method to get data back out of autotest to be used for projects like the israwhidebroken.com site. James Laska did a Test Day update. He thanked those who had participated in the Dracut Test Day[5], and promised to send a summary to the mailing list soon. He noted that a sectool Test Day[6] was due the day after the meeting. Adam Williamson suggested some potential improvements to the Wiki page, and James asked him to send them to the mailing list so the Test Day organizer, Eduard Bene?, could update the page. The Sugar on a Stick Test Day was due the Thursday after the meeting, and noted that he and Sebastian Dziallas were working on getting the page ready, using the new Semantic system for reporting results. Finally, Adam Williamson noted that Graphics Test Week was coming the following week, and he was working on getting the pages created. He expected to be able to re-use many test cases from the Fedora 11 Test Days. Kamil Paral brought up the idea of using zsync[7] to reduce the download weight of nightly Rawhide live images. Jesse Keating and Adam Williamson did not think it would result in much benefit, due to the way Fedora live CDs are implemented (as a single large filesystem image, rather than a set of package files). Will Woods suggested doing some tests to be sure, and Kamil said he would do this. The group discussed the status of the proposed lower process capabilities feature for Fedora 12[8]. There was general concern that development of this feature was not sufficiently advanced for the current stage of Fedora 12 development. Fenris02 agreed to talk to the feature maintainer to see what could be done to avoid dropping the feature entirely for Fedora 12. The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[9] was held on 2009-09-01. The full log is available[10]. Adam Williamson noted that some planned topics could not be discussed, as important people were not present: Brennan Ashton was not available to update on the triage metrics project, and Richard June was not present to update on the kernel triage project. The group discussed the new test-announce mailing list[11]. Matej Cepl suggested that it be added to Gmane[12]. Adam Williamson promised to do this. Adam Williamson brought up the topic of Triage Days, which Edward Kirk had put on the agenda with a view to presenting some ideas on improving them. However, Edward was not at the meeting. No-one else had significant ideas on the topic. The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-09-07 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-09-08 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090831 3. http://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test-announce 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:AutoQA 5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-27_Dracut 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-01_Sectool 7. http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ 8. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LowerProcessCapabilities 9. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings 10. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-01/fedora-meeting.2009-09-01-15.01.log.html 11. http://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test-announce 12. http://www.gmane.org/ --- Zsync feasibility --- As discussed at the meeting, Kamil Paral tested[1] the practicality of using zsync[2] to reduce the size of nightly Rawhide live image downloads. He found that savings of between 30% and 60% were possible when testing the deltas between various nightly images. 1. http://kparal.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/zsync-transfer-large-files-efficiently/ 2. http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ --- Installation testing SOP update --- Liam Li announced[1] that he had updated the installation testing SOP draft[2], with improved instructions on summarizing test results. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00007.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Liam/Draft_Install_Test_SOP --- Test Day summaries --- Test Day summaries for Dracut[1] and Sectool[2] were provided by James Laska and Eduard Bene? respectively. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00027.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00053.html --- Mediawiki Semantic plugin testing --- Mel Chua announced[1] that he had built a working Mediawiki test instance with the Semantic extension[2] installed, for the purpose of implementing an improved test result reporting system. He linked to a meeting log[3] which documented the implementation. He noted that the upstream project were interested in having Fedora's use of the Semantic system documented, and asked if anyone would be willing to work on this. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00085.html 2. http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki 3. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2009-09-02/fedora-qa.2009-09-02-14.14.log.html -- Translation -- This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N --- Transifex Version Upgrade on translate.fedoraproject.org --- The version of Transifex used in translate.fedoraproject.org is set to be updated soon to v.0.7.2 (to be released next week) . Diego B?rigo Zacar?o informed[1] about the modifications that are going to be made by Mike Mcgrath next week, that would enable higher number of connections to translate.fedoraproject.org. However, considering that the translation deadline for Fedora 12 is set for 22nd September 2009, the version upgrade may happen after the translation due date. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00022.html --- Translations for Transifex Moved to www.transifex.net --- The translations for the Transifex module would not be accepted from translate.fedoraproject.org anymore[1]. This module has now been moved to www.transifex.net . 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00013.html --- RPM Module Removed --- The RPM module is at present not available for translations[1], due to some errors and has been removed from the 'Various' collection in translate.fedoraproject.org. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00030.html --- New Members in Fedora Localization Project --- Filip Slunecko[1] (Czech), and Marila Latini[2] (Italian) joined the Fedora Localization Project last week. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00008.html 2. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00025.html -- Artwork -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team[1]. Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork --- A Chilean Logo --- As Jonathan Barrios, from the Chile community, asked[1] for a personalized artwork for a local event, "I think here I can get some help to make the logo for Fedora Linux Day - Chile and one poster to promotion this event", Charles R. Sutton proposed a first try[2] as a new contributor and after an in-depth research of the logo usage guidelines[3] he followed[4] with a new, complying, version. A bit later, Mar?a Leandro proposed another version[5] "Something like this? Remember that those are 2 proposals; you should pic only one. I like most the one at bottom" which apparently made everyone happy[6] "that is perfect. I prefer the one on the bottom as well. Great work!" 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-August/000944.html 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-August/000946.html 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines 4. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/000968.html 5. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/000974.html 6. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/000976.html -- Virtualization -- In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization technologies on the @fedora-virt and @fedora-xen-list lists. Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley --- Fedora Virtualization List --- This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list. ---- KSM Tuning Service ---- A new feature for Fedora 12, Kernel Samepage Merging[1], enables KVM guest virtual machines to share identical memory pages. This is especially useful when running multiple guests from the same or similar base operating system image. Because memory is shared, the combined memory usage of the guests is reduced. KSM works by scanning memory, looking for identical pages. Dan Kenigsberg posted[2] a KSM control daemon in a "simple script that controls whether (and with what vigor) should ksm search duplicated memory pages." "An unattended host running a variable number of qemu-kvm's needs to tune ksm automatically, since when memory is tight, it's better to spend more cpu on merging pages. In more relaxed cases, it's just a waste of time." 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KSM 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-September/msg00023.html ---- Host Iptables Settings for Bridged Guests ---- Mark McLoughlin pointed[1] out that the recommended[2] means of configuring iptables on the host to allow traffic to pass to a bridged guest is to disable netfilter on the bridge altogether. # cat >> /etc/sysctl.conf < References: <4AA5197A.2080202@nd.edu> Message-ID: <20090909003219.GS17775@localhost.localdomain> The FWN team is AMAZING! Thanks for another great issue, and over a holiday weekend no less. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 21:03:30 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:03:30 -0700 Subject: Hello world Message-ID: <8114a15d0909091403m451a2739xfc577a375fbf1f13@mail.gmail.com> Hi group, I am interested in contributing to the Fedora News Project. I am a member of the KDE-SIG and may be primarily acting as a packager, so I suppose those are my primary areas of interest, and if there is opening for a KDE beat, I could take that on, probably. I am usually in fairly close contact with most of the KDE-SIG's active members via #fedora-kde IRC channel. Locally I am involved in Phoenix Arizona's LUG, Phoenx LUG (http://plug.phoenix.az.us) and the Arizona Business and Liberty Experience (http://ableconf.com) -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Thu Sep 10 17:55:42 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:55:42 -0700 Subject: Hello world In-Reply-To: <8114a15d0909091403m451a2739xfc577a375fbf1f13@mail.gmail.com> References: <8114a15d0909091403m451a2739xfc577a375fbf1f13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252605342.27535.32.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 14:03 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: > Hi group, > > I am interested in contributing to the Fedora News Project. I am a > member of the KDE-SIG and may be primarily acting as a packager, so I > suppose those are my primary areas of interest, and if there is > opening for a KDE beat, I could take that on, probably. I am usually > in fairly close contact with most of the KDE-SIG's active members via > #fedora-kde IRC channel. > > Locally I am involved in Phoenix Arizona's LUG, Phoenx LUG > (http://plug.phoenix.az.us) and the Arizona Business and Liberty > Experience (http://ableconf.com) Hi Ryan, There isn't an overall "content plan" for FWN at the time. Interested parties suggest a beat and start producing it if there are no objections. As a KDE user, I'd personally be happy to see KDE coverage in FWN. Why don't you whip up a beat and point it out to the list? Check out the workflow here and let us know if you have questions. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/WorkFlow BTW, another document relevant to KDE is the Desktop release notes. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Desktop The doc beats page says it is open, but it has been recently edited. If interested in contributing, that could be reconciled on the docs list. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats Welcome! -- Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3 From awilliam at redhat.com Thu Sep 10 18:10:40 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:10:40 -0700 Subject: Hello world In-Reply-To: <8114a15d0909091403m451a2739xfc577a375fbf1f13@mail.gmail.com> References: <8114a15d0909091403m451a2739xfc577a375fbf1f13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1252606240.2311.41.camel@adam.local.net> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 14:03 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: > Hi group, > > I am interested in contributing to the Fedora News Project. I am a > member of the KDE-SIG and may be primarily acting as a packager, so I > suppose those are my primary areas of interest, and if there is > opening for a KDE beat, I could take that on, probably. I am usually > in fairly close contact with most of the KDE-SIG's active members via > #fedora-kde IRC channel. > > Locally I am involved in Phoenix Arizona's LUG, Phoenx LUG > (http://plug.phoenix.az.us) and the Arizona Business and Liberty > Experience (http://ableconf.com) Sounds great to me! As Ryan suggests, it'd be great for you to whip up an example KDE beat for a forthcoming FWN, and we'll include it in the issue if there's no problems. Thanks a lot for volunteering! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Thu Sep 10 22:19:57 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:19:57 -0700 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <4A6A4992.5090506@nd.edu> References: <1248460104.2644.83.camel@echristensen.tkctech.com> <4A6A4992.5090506@nd.edu> Message-ID: <1252621197.27535.42.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight I wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would actually be used. I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my account authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test post. I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat hierarchy. I'm having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be carved out. From mel at redhat.com Fri Sep 11 14:28:23 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:28:23 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <1252621197.27535.42.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> References: <1248460104.2644.83.camel@echristensen.tkctech.com> <4A6A4992.5090506@nd.edu> <1252621197.27535.42.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <4AAA5E87.2030903@redhat.com> Thanks for asking, Dale. On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight > I wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would > actually be used. The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable timing. Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic workflow (and her work was the initial driver that made sure a lot of basic functionality in Zikula was put in), but it's time to figure out the actual workflow for News, so I was literally *just* about to ask the News list about this. > I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my account > authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test post. It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by default on the test instance, so you can go to https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case for the live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure out the workflow you would like. > I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat hierarchy. I'm > having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be carved out. The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to ask you." Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't be that hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News team likes it is to have the News team carve it out. ;) --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 18:36:17 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:36:17 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <4AAA5E87.2030903@redhat.com> References: <1248460104.2644.83.camel@echristensen.tkctech.com> <4A6A4992.5090506@nd.edu> <1252621197.27535.42.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> <4AAA5E87.2030903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20090911183617.GC11347@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > Thanks for asking, Dale. > > On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: >> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight >> I wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would >> actually be used. > > The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so > I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable timing. > Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic workflow (and her work > was the initial driver that made sure a lot of basic functionality in > Zikula was put in), but it's time to figure out the actual workflow for > News, so I was literally *just* about to ask the News list about this. > >> I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my account >> authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test post. > > It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by default > on the test instance, so you can go to > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin > to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case for the > live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure out the > workflow you would like. > >> I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat hierarchy. I'm >> having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be carved out. > > The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to ask you." > > Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't be that > hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News team likes it > is to have the News team carve it out. ;) It's much easier than it seems to "carve out" space for any topical area in a CMS. The flatness essentially means things can be organized or reorganized at will very easily. That sounds kind of hazy and conceptual, but it's pretty simple to have URLs and navigation on the site work to support something like: http://insight.fedoraproject.org/weekly-news http://insight.fedoraproject.org/podcasts ... -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From awilliam at redhat.com Fri Sep 11 19:02:14 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:02:14 -0700 Subject: qa beat in Message-ID: <1252695734.2311.69.camel@adam.local.net> qa beat is in for 193. it's short this week, we didn't have any meetings :) next week will be bigger... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 02:05:03 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:05:03 -0700 Subject: Hello world In-Reply-To: <1252605342.27535.32.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> References: <8114a15d0909091403m451a2739xfc577a375fbf1f13@mail.gmail.com> <1252605342.27535.32.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <200909111905.09433.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> On Thu 10 September 2009 10:55:42 am Dale Bewley wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 14:03 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: > > Hi group, > > > > I am interested in contributing to the Fedora News Project. I am a > > member of the KDE-SIG and may be primarily acting as a packager, so I > > suppose those are my primary areas of interest, and if there is > > opening for a KDE beat, I could take that on, probably. I am usually > > in fairly close contact with most of the KDE-SIG's active members via > > #fedora-kde IRC channel. > > > > Locally I am involved in Phoenix Arizona's LUG, Phoenx LUG > > (http://plug.phoenix.az.us) and the Arizona Business and Liberty > > Experience (http://ableconf.com) > > Hi Ryan, > > There isn't an overall "content plan" for FWN at the time. Interested > parties suggest a beat and start producing it if there are no > objections. > > As a KDE user, I'd personally be happy to see KDE coverage in FWN. Why > don't you whip up a beat and point it out to the list? > > Check out the workflow here and let us know if you have questions. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/WorkFlow > > > BTW, another document relevant to KDE is the Desktop release notes. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Desktop > > The doc beats page says it is open, but it has been recently edited. If > interested in contributing, that could be reconciled on the docs list. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > Welcome! Hello Dave, Sorry your mail kind of fell into an abyss there, not sure what happened. (Is this list available via GMane?) I'll take a look at editing the wiki and whipping up a beat tonight. 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I have to defend my master's project and receive master's degree this week. But I will be writing the next week's beat. Mel, Can you please write this week's beat for me? Thanks, Chaitanya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Mon Sep 14 02:06:22 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:06:22 -0400 Subject: Unavailable for the week In-Reply-To: <24b40b2b0909131306u5b606b4dse19eb3f0c2b1b3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <24b40b2b0909131306u5b606b4dse19eb3f0c2b1b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AADA51E.2000207@redhat.com> On 09/13/2009 04:06 PM, chaitanya mehandru wrote: > Hi, > I will not be able to write this week's beat as I will be travelling and > without internet access. I have to defend my master's project and > receive master's degree this week. But I will be writing the next week's > beat. I'm on it - writing now. Thanks for the advance notice - and good luck defending your project! --Mel From irashadul at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 02:32:01 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:32:01 -0400 Subject: The announcement BEAT has done updating for the week 36 of the year 2009 Message-ID: <17fa59580909131932m6a3392f4i996980b9a096ad6a@mail.gmail.com> Dear Pascal, Adam, and fellow Editors: > > The ANNOUNCEMENT BEAT has done updating for the week 36 of the year 2009. > Please check at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Announcements > > Thanks for posting announcement to Fedora Announcement List, Devel list, > and Event wiki - from where the ANNOUNCEMENT BEAT is being updated always. > Feel free to update/edit any mistakes please. > > > Thanking you, > > Rashadul Islam > irashadul at gmail.com > rislam at irc.freenode.net GPG KEY: 5557BFAC > Fingerprint=CFB7 CAEC 157A 308A F9CE CE00 3620 8084 5557 BFAC > fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Sep 14 07:06:08 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:06:08 +0300 Subject: Design beat up Message-ID: <4AADEB60.7090202@nicubunu.ro> A bit late than usual and very short, but the Design Beat is up - last week was very quiet, had nothing to write by Friday, good thing the week-end brought a bit of action. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 14 10:50:50 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:50:50 -0400 Subject: Translation Beat taking a break In-Reply-To: <4AAD3410.5030809@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AAD3410.5030809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AAE200A.5050809@nd.edu> Thanks for letting us, know, Runa! Have a wonderful few weeks off! Regards, - pascal Runa Bhattacharjee wrote: > Hello, > I would be going on vacation from next week until the 1st week of October for > the annual autumn festival[1]. Hence the 'Translation Beat' would also be on a > break. This would impact the 3 FWN issues to be published on September 21st, > September 28th and October 5th. > > Thanks a lot > regards > Runa > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durga_Puja > From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 14 10:51:43 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:51:43 -0400 Subject: The announcement BEAT has done updating for the week 36 of the year 2009 In-Reply-To: <17fa59580909131932m6a3392f4i996980b9a096ad6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <17fa59580909131932m6a3392f4i996980b9a096ad6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAE203F.8050905@nd.edu> Great! Thanks very much, Rashadul! Regards, - pascal Rashadul Islam wrote: > Dear Pascal, Adam, and fellow Editors: > > > The ANNOUNCEMENT BEAT has done updating for the week 36 of the > year 2009. > Please check at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Announcements > > Thanks for posting announcement to Fedora Announcement List, Devel > list, and Event wiki - from where the ANNOUNCEMENT BEAT is being > updated always. > > > Feel free to update/edit any mistakes please. > > > Thanking you, > > Rashadul Islam > irashadul at gmail.com > rislam at irc.freenode.net GPG KEY: > 5557BFAC > Fingerprint=CFB7 CAEC 157A 308A F9CE CE00 3620 8084 5557 BFAC > fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam > > > > From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 14 10:52:56 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:52:56 -0400 Subject: Marketing beat in In-Reply-To: <4AADBDEA.4010404@redhat.com> References: <4AADBDEA.4010404@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AAE2088.8020106@nd.edu> Thanks very much, Mel! You are doing an awesome job with marketing leadership. I am amazed at your energy and focus! Regards, - pascal Mel Chua wrote: > (Subbing in for Chaitanya this week.) > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Marketing > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 14 10:53:37 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:53:37 -0400 Subject: No Ambassadors beat this week In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080909140004t20aca705i531bbd792ad76fc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080909140004t20aca705i531bbd792ad76fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAE20B1.50407@nd.edu> No problem, thanks, Larry! Regards, - pascal Larry Cafiero wrote: > See you next week. > > Larry Cafiero From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 14 10:54:10 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:54:10 -0400 Subject: Design beat up In-Reply-To: <4AADEB60.7090202@nicubunu.ro> References: <4AADEB60.7090202@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4AAE20D2.8080509@nd.edu> Wonderful, many thanks, Nicu! Regards, - pascal Nicu Buculei wrote: > A bit late than usual and very short, but the Design Beat is up - last > week was very quiet, had nothing to write by Friday, good thing the > week-end brought a bit of action. > > From adam at batkin.net Mon Sep 14 11:53:45 2009 From: adam at batkin.net (Adam Batkin) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:53:45 +0100 Subject: Planet Beat done (finally) Message-ID: <4AAE2EC9.2080905@batkin.net> Sorry for the delay. Planet is up now. -Adam Batkin From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 14:11:25 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:11:25 -0400 Subject: Event blurb? Message-ID: <20090914141125.GY28498@localhost.localdomain> Hi FWN editors, Information came to me from someone in Red Hat Marketing about an upcoming, free, informal RHCE conference in New York City. They are interested in letting the Fedora community know about it since we have a fair number of contributors who are RHCEs and might benefit from the conference. Now, the last time we had someone ask about a topic like this, the News team agreed it wouldn't mind spreading information like this assuming: (1) it's relevant to the Fedora community; and (2) that we issue only a terse announcement, and point people directly to a URL where they could look for information if they care -- thus avoiding a splashy and distracting "advertisement" feel. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2008-December/msg00038.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-January/msg00001.html I think the blurb could look something like this: "On Thursday, Oct. 8, 2009 from 9am-1pm, Red Hat will hold a free, informal conference for RHCEs, offering information sharing on a variety of topics at the Rubin Museum in New York City. Details are available at the following URL: http://www.redhat.com/rhceloopback." Does that seem acceptable? As a side note, I didn't find this policy written up anywhere on the wiki, but if the editors agree on it -- or if you have a completely different decision on it -- it would be helpful if you could write it up on the wiki. I can consult it and direct people to it in the future to ensure maximum transparency and consistency. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 14 16:25:06 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:25:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 193 Message-ID: <4AAE6E62.7020409@nd.edu> 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 193 o 1.1 Announcements + 1.1.1 Fedora Board IRC Public meeting + 1.1.2 Help with Fedora Research + 1.1.3 New entry of Build F12 collection packages for all language translators' review and correction + 1.1.4 FUDCon Toronto 2009 update! + 1.1.5 Upcoming Events o 1.2 Planet Fedora + 1.2.1 General o 1.3 Marketing + 1.3.1 Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-01 + 1.3.2 Call for F12 slogan ideas + 1.3.3 Passing on the Fedora print magazine proposal for the time being + 1.3.4 Fedora Insight update + 1.3.5 Help wanted: Getting Fedora in the news + 1.3.6 Fedora in the News + 1.3.7 Marketing HOWTO: Creating press releases + 1.3.8 Marketing Research o 1.4 QualityAssurance + 1.4.1 Test Days + 1.4.2 Weekly meetings + 1.4.3 Test Day live spin o 1.5 Translation + 1.5.1 Translation deadline and Review Package Build Request + 1.5.2 Freeze Break for imsettings + 1.5.3 Issue Related to gnome-system-monitor Resolved + 1.5.4 New Members in Fedora Localization Project o 1.6 Artwork + 1.6.1 F12 Wallpaper Refresh o 1.7 Virtualization + 1.7.1 Fedora Virtualization List # 1.7.1.1 Fedora Virt Status # 1.7.1.2 Fedora 12 Virtualization Release Notes - Fedora Weekly News Issue 193 - Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 193[1] for the week ending September 13, 2009. What follows are some highlights from this issue. In announcements, an invitation to the Fedora community to participate in research at Duke University on open source communities and an update on this December's FUDCon Toronto. A variety of recent postings from Fedora contributors follows in the Planet Fedora section. In marketing news, a call for Fedora 12 slogan ideas, update on weekly meetings and Zikula/Fedora Insight developments, and coverage of recent discussion aimed at getting Fedora into news channels to a greater extent. This week's QA news includes detail of the most recent Test Day activities around graphics card support, and coverage of this week's meetings. In translation news, more updates on Fedora 12 translation activities, and new Localization Project members from Spain. In Art news, a refresh of Fedora 12 wallpapers. This week's issue rounds out with Fedora Virtualization updates, including details on Fedora virt status and F12 virtualization release notes. Please enjoy FWN 193! If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list at redhat.com The Fedora News team is collaborating with Marketing and Docs to come up with a new exciting platform for disseminating news and views on Fedora, called Fedora Insight. If you are interested, please join the list and let us know how you would like to assist with this effort. FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue193 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Announcements -- In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project[1] [2] [3]. Contributing Writer: Rashadul Islam 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/ 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/ 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events TOP MOST Announcements and Fedora 12 (Constantine) are as follows: --- Fedora Board IRC Public meeting --- "The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Thursday, September 10, 2009, at 1600 UTC on IRC Freenode.", announced[1] Fedora Project Leader Paul W. Frields. For this meeting, the public was invited to join the IRC channels #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation and #fedora-board-questions to discuss topics and to post questions. While inviting everyone, Paul also expressed, "The Board may reserve some time at the top of the hour to cover any agenda items as appropriate." 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-September/msg00001.html --- Help with Fedora Research --- Greg DeKoenigsberg, Senior Community Architect at Red Hat announced [1] , "we're looking for Fedora contributors who are willing to do one of two things: 1. Participate in an email interview with our Duke professors; or 2. Participate in a short phone interview (about 20 minutes) with our Duke professors." Greg also explored about the participation of contributors. He expressed, "It's a simple thing that could be hugely valuable in the long run. We've got something special in Fedora, and the world wants to understand how it works. Your experiences matter." All the interested participant are requested to response to Greg DeKoenigsberg via email, please. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-September/msg00002.html --- New entry of Build F12 collection packages for all language translators' review and correction --- Noriko Mizumoto on development announcement had announced[1], "Build F12 collection packages for all language translators' review and correction". Meanwhile, he also mentioned, "Please notice that amazingly F12 has been translated into 52 language with more than 40% completion so far, and the percentage as well the number of languages are aggressively growing."[2][3] 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00001.html 2. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/243 3. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00053.html --- FUDCon Toronto 2009 update! --- "Here's an update on the upcoming FUDCon in Toronto, being held December 5-7. Before the details, I want to give some special thanks and recognition to Chris Tyler of Seneca College in Toronto for his continued, invaluable assistance in setting up FUDCon. His help made it possible to establish a lot of these logistics while we were also preparing for Fedora presence at the Red Hat Summit last week. Thanks Chris!", widely announced[1] by Paul W. Frields. The FUDCon[2] wiki page is chock full of details. Here is the major highlights of the announcement: HELP US PLAN! [3] GENERAL SCHEDULE[4] PRE-REGISTRATION[5] LODGING [6] TECHNICAL SESSIONS [7] FUDPUB[8] HACKFESTS[9] "More information will be forthcoming as it develops!", says Paul while broadcasting the announcements. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-September/msg00003.html 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 3. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009#Pre-registration 6. http://bit.ly/fudcon-hgi-toronto-2009 7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009#Technical_sessions 8. http://daveandbusters.com 9. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009#Hackfests --- RHCE Conference in New York City --- On Thursday, Oct. 8, 2009 from 9am-1pm, Red Hat will hold a free, informal conference for RHCEs, offering information sharing on a variety of topics at the Rubin Museum in New York City. Details are available[1]. 1. http://www.redhat.com/rhceloopback --- Upcoming Events --- Mark your agenda with the following events. Please, consider attending or volunteering at an event near you! * North America (NA)[1] * Central & South America (LATAM)[2] * Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)[3] * India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)[4] 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_2 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_3 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_4 -- Planet Fedora -- In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin 1. http://planet.fedoraproject.org --- General --- Tim Niemueller installed[1] the Maemo 5 SDK on Fedora, but there were a few "gotcha's" which can easily be worked around. Radek Vok?l summarized[2] his experience at the Red Hat Summit in Chicago, and took some nice pictures from around the city. Harish Pillay analyzed[3] some security vulnerabilities in Windows Vista, and compared them with the Red Hat line of products. "Why do they [Microsoft] have to resort to outright lies and misrepresentations?" Matt Domsch mentioned[4] that the Fedora infrastructure should now all work over IPv6. Mel Chua made[5] some suggestions for writing an effective press release. Michel Salim rebutted[6] the recent cries that OLPC has been a complete failure. "OLPC has failures in abundance, but it is a radical, category-creating product." Greg DeKoenigsberg is seeking[7] Fedora contributers (whether they contribute a little or a lot) to be interviewed for a research project. David Lutterkort wrote[8] about how to use Augeas to modify comments in configuration files. Michael Tiemann posted[9] an interesting comic strip (and an actual post) about how some companies are patent trolls. It's amusing, I promise. 1. http://www.niemueller.de/blog/show.php?id=234 2. http://rvokal.livejournal.com/2711.html 3. http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/164494.html 4. http://domsch.com/blog/?p=95 5. http://blog.melchua.com/2009/09/10/marketing-howto-write-a-press-release/ 6. http://hircus.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/olpc-is-a-failure-in-one-aspect-but/ 7. http://gregdek.livejournal.com/53809.html 8. http://watzmann.net/blog/index.php/2009/09/11/augeas_some_tricks_on_modifying_comments 9. http://opensource.org/node/465 -- Marketing -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Marketing Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing Contributing Writer: Mel Chua (Temporary sub for the week - Chaitanya Mehandru will be back next week with more Exciting News from Marketing. Stay tuned...) --- Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-01 --- Meeting logs [1] and notes [2] for the 2009-09-08 Fedora Marketing Meeting were made available. All Marketing meetings and notes are open to the public. [3] --- Call for F12 slogan ideas --- We need a slogan for the F12 release! A release slogan is a short call-to-action that fits the artwork theme from Design [4]. (F11's slogan was "Reign," F10's was "Fire it up!") Please put your slogan ideas here: [5] Feel free to discuss slogan ideas on the mailing lists - but also make sure to put your ideas in that table on that wiki page so they'll be counted. More details on the mailing list thread: [6] --- Passing on the Fedora print magazine proposal for the time being --- After much thought-provoking and insightful deliberation and discussion with the community in response to the Linux Pro Magazine F11 special issue proposal[7], we have decided to pass on this opportunity for F12. Max Spevack: "There are several reasons why, which I discussed during today's Fedora Marketing meeting. For those who would like to read that over, please see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-08/fedora-meeting.2009-09-08-20.01.log.html, starting at 20:39:27 in the log. As always, any comments are welcome. I really like the way this entire idea was discussed, considered, etc. in (what I consider) a very public and transparent way."[8] --- Fedora Insight update --- Throughout the print magazine discussion, work on Fedora Insight (FI) continued, with launch less than a month away. FI will act as a central repository for Marketing materials, such as the ones that were proposed for the print magazine, making it easy to pull Marketing content into print at a future date in time. Mel Chua says: "I finally realized the way to keep [the Fedora Insight status page[9]] up to date was to link to our ticketing system [10], since *that* is up to date... now it's time to turn our attention to FI content."[11] Mo Duffy's excellent work on the FI theme continues with special thanks to Simon Birtwistle and Keiran Smith for their help. [12] --- Help wanted: Getting Fedora in the news --- Susmit Shannigrahi brought up a great idea this week: A lot of "industry"-type magazines will have an editorial calendar that they make available, usually a year or so in advance. What if we had a team that acted as a liaison between the magazine and interested writers from the Fedora community? "...if a magazine is going to have an issue on Localisation, the team will ensure there is an article on Transifex if someone is interested to write it. Or if a magazine is going to roll out an issue on IT infrastructure, the team will ensure that someone writes about puppet and so on." [13] Are you interested in this idea or in helping out? Do you have any publications to add to the Marketing press publications list[14]? Email the marketing list today! [15] --- Fedora in the News --- Rahul Sundaram spotted [16] a TechRepublic blog entry on delta RPMs in F11. [17] "If... you have a slow Internet connection or you pay-per-byte for your Internet connection, then using Presto makes sense: it will download smaller files which will save time and money." Via Karlie Robinson: [18] The Fedora community, featuring our own Fred Grose and Karlie Robinson, is mentioned in an article about RIT professor Steve Jacobs's course on teaching open source development for the One Laptop Per Child and Sugar Labs projects. [19] --- Marketing HOWTO: Creating press releases --- Inspired by Fedora Infrastructure's SOPs [20], we've started a category for Marketing HOWTOs [21] in order to document our collective marketing knowledge and make it easier for community members to add a little Marketing jazz to their projects. The first one is on writing press releases [22], inspired by Ian Weller's request for feedback on the Creative Commons re-licensing announcement. --- Marketing Research --- Robyn Bergeron has started forming a Real Market Research Strategy for Fedora. [23] See the Marketing Research wiki page [24] and help us answer a few questions [25] that will help us figure out what information is most crucial to gather first. 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-08/fedora-meeting.2009-09-08-20.01.log.html 2. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-08/fedora-meeting.2009-09-08-20.01.html 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan#Themes 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan#New_slogan_ideas. 6. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00083.html 7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal 8. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00059.html 9. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#What.27s_happening 10. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+Insight&order=priority 11. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00041.html 12. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00084.html 13. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00070.html 14. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications 15. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list 16. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00028.html 17. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=904 18. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00093.html 19. http://www.rit.edu/academicaffairs/centerforstudentinnovation/?p=526 20. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs 21. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_HOWTO 22. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_write_a_press_release 23. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00078.html 24. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research 25. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Questions_to_Answer -- QualityAssurance -- In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1]. Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA --- Test Days --- Last week saw three main track Test Days making up Graphics Test Week: ATI / Radeon Test Day[1], NVIDIA / Nouveau Test Day[2], and Intel graphics Test Day[3]. Each event was very busy and turned up a range of bugs which will now be worked on by the driver developers. Many thanks to everyone who helped test! If you missed the Test Days but would like to test your graphics adapter for Fedora 12, you can still visit the Test Day pages, download the test live image, and report your results. Last week's Fit and Finish[4] Test Day was on sharing[5]. As usual, the Fit and Finish group identified several issues which could be improved to present a better sharing experience, and filed several bugs. Next week will see two main track Test Days. The first is on audio, including PulseAudio[6]. This is always a hot-button topic for Fedora releases, and PulseAudio has seen some significant changes and improvements from Fedora 11. If you want to make sure audio will work perfectly with your hardware in Fedora 12, please come along and help with the testing! No Fit and Finish track Test Day is planned for next week. If you would like to propose a main track Test Day for the Fedora 12 cycle, please contact the QA team via email or IRC, or file a ticket in QA Trac[7]. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-09_Radeon 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-10_Nouveau 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-11_Intel 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish 5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-08_Fit_and_Finish:Sharing 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-16_Audio 7. http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ --- Weekly meetings --- No meetings were held this week for either the QA or BugZappers groups, due to the absence of important group members and the North American public holiday on Monday 2009-09-07. The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-09-14 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-09-15 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. --- Test Day live spin --- Bruno Wolff announced[1] he had got the spin configuration for the Test Day live image added to the official Fedora spins git repository. replied[2] to say he had modified the live image creation guide[3] to reflect this change (which makes generating live images configured for Test Days much easier). 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00168.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00174.html 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image -- Translation -- This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N --- Translation deadline and Review Package Build Request --- The first phase of software translation for Fedora 12 has been completed on September 10th 2009. Unlike other earlier releases, for Fedora 12 the translators in FLP would be able to review and update these translations until 22nd September 2009. This has been made possible by the approval from FESCo to allow the FLP's request to be provided with test builds of the Fedora Packages[1]. FLSCo member Noriko Mizumoto and FLP Admin team member Ankit Patel are currently co-ordinating with the maintainers of 48 packages, for which rebuilds have been requested by the FLP[2]. Individual bugs have been filed for each of these packages along with instructions and tracked via a master tracker bug. As per the Fedora Schedule, the package builds are to be completed by 14th September 2009[3]. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00068.html 2. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00053.html 3. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-trans-tasks.html --- Freeze Break for imsettings --- The maintainer of the imsettings package Akira Tagoh, requested[1] for a freeze break for the package to resolve a bug file against some of the strings in the .po file. The freeze break request was granted and the strings have been updated. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00058.html --- Issue Related to gnome-system-monitor Resolved --- A long pending issue[1] regarding the translation of a string customized in the gnome-system-monitor package for Fedora, has been resolved by Mathias Classen[2]. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00049.html 2. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00061.html --- New Members in Fedora Localization Project --- Juanjo Escribano(Spanish) joined the Fedora Localization Project last week[1]. 1. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00071.html -- Artwork -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team[1]. Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork --- F12 Wallpaper Refresh --- M?ir?n Duffy posted[1] on @Design-Team an improved perspective mosaic for the Fedora 12 wallpaper "We can't be totally satisfied with the current default can we?" and after her request for feedback Paul Frields replied positively[2] "I've been using it on my main station without any major concerns" but also asked about the lack of blogging about the wallpaper evolution "There are schedule items for blogging about the wallpaper -- has anyone been doing that lately, regarding the latest candidate(s)?". M?ir?n pointed[3] to the late slowness of wallpaper evolution and later remembered[4] everyone about another take on the design from Mar?a Leandro "Ahh I forgot to mention Tatica's work [...] which I think we should develop further instead" 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001008.html 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001009.html 3. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001011.html 4. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001016.html -- Virtualization -- In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization technologies on the @fedora-virt list. Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley --- Fedora Virtualization List --- This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list. ---- Fedora Virt Status ---- In the latest Fedora virtualization status report, Mark McLoughlin reminds[1] us "The Fedora 12 release is looming large. At this stage, all efforts should be focused on polishing off everything for the final release." and "September 17th, we will be holding be holding Fedora Test Day[2] in order to test all the latest Fedora 12 virt goodies". Read on for Mark's full treatment of the latest developments in virtualization. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-September/msg00040.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-17_Virtualization ---- Fedora 12 Virtualization Release Notes ---- The initial draft of the virtualization portion[1] of the release notes is complete. Read all about the impressive list of 11 new features and other improvements in Fedora 12! F11 had 6 new virt features by comparison. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Virtualization_Beat - end FWN 193 - Pascal Calarco, Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 14 16:25:43 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:25:43 -0400 Subject: Event blurb? In-Reply-To: <20090914141125.GY28498@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090914141125.GY28498@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AAE6E87.6030405@nd.edu> No problem, Paul. I've added this to the announcements section of this week's FWN. Thanks! - pascal Paul W. Frields wrote: > Hi FWN editors, > > Information came to me from someone in Red Hat Marketing about an > upcoming, free, informal RHCE conference in New York City. They are > interested in letting the Fedora community know about it since we have > a fair number of contributors who are RHCEs and might benefit from the > conference. > > Now, the last time we had someone ask about a topic like this, the > News team agreed it wouldn't mind spreading information like this > assuming: > > (1) it's relevant to the Fedora community; and > > (2) that we issue only a terse announcement, and point people directly > to a URL where they could look for information if they care -- thus > avoiding a splashy and distracting "advertisement" feel. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2008-December/msg00038.html > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-January/msg00001.html > > I think the blurb could look something like this: > > "On Thursday, Oct. 8, 2009 from 9am-1pm, Red Hat will hold a free, > informal conference for RHCEs, offering information sharing on a > variety of topics at the Rubin Museum in New York City. Details are > available at the following URL: http://www.redhat.com/rhceloopback." > > Does that seem acceptable? > > As a side note, I didn't find this policy written up anywhere on the > wiki, but if the editors agree on it -- or if you have a completely > different decision on it -- it would be helpful if you could write it > up on the wiki. I can consult it and direct people to it in the > future to ensure maximum transparency and consistency. > > From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 17:07:12 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:07:12 -0700 Subject: OT: News List on GMane? Message-ID: <200909141007.16749.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> Hi, Is this list subscribable via GMane or any other nntp gateway? I'm a little OCD about the grouping of mailing list versus email and am just curious of whether the list is on GMane or, if it is not, if it would be okay to add. Ryan -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: Our ISP is having {switching,routing,SMDS,frame relay} problems http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From irashadul at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 09:51:50 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:51:50 -0400 Subject: Event blurb? In-Reply-To: <4AAE6E87.6030405@nd.edu> References: <20090914141125.GY28498@localhost.localdomain> <4AAE6E87.6030405@nd.edu> Message-ID: <17fa59580909150251p63e1e673gf25a31991edc5c8e@mail.gmail.com> +1 Thanks for the prompt update. Appreciate it. -Rashadul On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Pascal Calarco wrote: > No problem, Paul. I've added this to the announcements section of this > week's FWN. Thanks! > > - pascal > > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> Hi FWN editors, >> >> Information came to me from someone in Red Hat Marketing about an >> upcoming, free, informal RHCE conference in New York City. They are >> interested in letting the Fedora community know about it since we have >> a fair number of contributors who are RHCEs and might benefit from the >> conference. >> >> Now, the last time we had someone ask about a topic like this, the >> News team agreed it wouldn't mind spreading information like this >> assuming: >> >> (1) it's relevant to the Fedora community; and >> >> (2) that we issue only a terse announcement, and point people directly >> to a URL where they could look for information if they care -- thus >> avoiding a splashy and distracting "advertisement" feel. >> >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2008-December/msg00038.html >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-January/msg00001.html >> >> I think the blurb could look something like this: >> >> "On Thursday, Oct. 8, 2009 from 9am-1pm, Red Hat will hold a free, >> informal conference for RHCEs, offering information sharing on a >> variety of topics at the Rubin Museum in New York City. Details are >> available at the following URL: http://www.redhat.com/rhceloopback." >> >> Does that seem acceptable? >> >> As a side note, I didn't find this policy written up anywhere on the >> wiki, but if the editors agree on it -- or if you have a completely >> different decision on it -- it would be helpful if you could write it >> up on the wiki. I can consult it and direct people to it in the >> future to ensure maximum transparency and consistency. >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Wed Sep 16 06:35:25 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> ----- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > Thanks for asking, Dale. > > > > On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > >> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight > >> I wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would > >> actually be used. > > > > The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so > > > I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable > timing. > > Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic workflow (and her > work > > was the initial driver that made sure a lot of basic functionality > in > > Zikula was put in), but it's time to figure out the actual workflow > for > > News, so I was literally *just* about to ask the News list about > this. > > > >> I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my > account > >> authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test post. > > > > It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by > default > > on the test instance, so you can go to > > > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin > > > to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case for > the > > live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure out the > > workflow you would like. > > > >> I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat hierarchy. > I'm > >> having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be carved out. > > > > The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to ask > you." > > > > Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't be > that > > hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News team likes > it > > is to have the News team carve it out. ;) > > It's much easier than it seems to "carve out" space for any topical > area in a CMS. The flatness essentially means things can be > organized > or reorganized at will very easily. That sounds kind of hazy and > conceptual, but it's pretty simple to have URLs and navigation on the > site work to support something like: > > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/weekly-news > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/podcasts > ... I'll admit to being somewhat curmudgeonly on the whole CMS idea, but I am doing my best to put that aside and give it a fair shake. :) I can see benefits, but wonder what barriers to entry it might create. I went back and read up on the fedora-news discussion of what was referred to as Fedora Journal and Project FooBar before being named Fedora Insight. Most of the conversation took place in July * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/thread.html Here are my repeatedly edited thoughts which may or may not make sense by this point. = How might it work? = FWN has typically served to provide a roundup of the developments in Fedora over the previous week, comprised of several "Beats" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats which cover mailing list(s) etc for a topic. I can imagine a mapping of Categories in Zikula to a set of "Beats" or Topics. Presumably each Category produces its own RSS feed. Users could ignore FWN and subscribe to just a single beat. Each Category may not have or need a beat writer, but if the concept of FWN is to continue there would have to be a means for a writer to adopt a Category and feel responsible for monitoring it. The beat writer or others could contribute stories at any point during the week. Once a week a beat writer could post a roundup of their beat including the usual sources, plus any postings made to the Fedora Insight category during the week. A FWN editor could then gather these beat roundups into a larger roundup called FWN (or something else) for publishing with a ToC and a summary abstract. That post would go in the FWN category, and the RSS feed from that would become FWN. That whole concept could also possibly go out the window, but that seems a shame. It seems to me there is value in a regularly scheduled newsletter. Otherwise, isn't it just a forum or a blog? If developers and others post enough news, maybe there won't be much need for a beat writer, or maybe the writer will feel discouraged that way. The creation of categories is something to work out. They seem to be flat and would span the CMS. The mechanics of assigning beat writers is something to ponder. Also a means to notify an editor that a category round up is complete would need to be pondered. Tags? Same old wiki page? = Ease of adoption = Putting my curmudgeon hat back on... Posting content is going to be very inconvenient without the leverage of wiki markup. Constructing links to list postings, wiki content, other news items will be much more painful. Perhaps there are Zikula plugins to recreate some functionality like the in mediawiki. Such plugins would require explanation to new beat writers. I reckon way more newcomers will be familiar with Mediawiki. It seems to me this could make it harder to attract beat writers. Maybe that's only a personal bias. Maybe more time poking Zikula will yield more optimism, but it's time spent poking. (I'll continue to poke some more) Besides all the logistics, this is the biggest problem to me as a beat writer. I am loathe to hand code HTML. Beat writers burn out all the time. The more painful it is, the quicker the burnout. Life's hard though. :) It's getting late. I hope that was somewhat useful. -- Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3 From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 13:18:58 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:18:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:35:25PM -0700, Dale Bewley wrote: > ----- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:23AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > > Thanks for asking, Dale. > > > > > > On 09/10/2009 06:19 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > > >> After reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight I > > >> wanted to login and see what Zikula looks like and how it would > > >> actually be used. > > > > > > The Fedora Insight (FI) workflow is being hacked on in Marketing, so > > > > > I've copied the Marketing list - actually, you have impeccable > > > timing. Robyn Bergeron has gone through and made a basic > > > workflow (and her work was the initial driver that made sure a > > > lot of basic functionality in Zikula was put in), but it's time > > > to figure out the actual workflow for News, so I was literally > > > *just* about to ask the News list about this. > > > > > >> I created an account and logged in, but do I need to have my > > >> account authorized by someone? I don't see how to create a test > > >> post. > > > > > > It looks like all new accounts are being made administrators by > > > default on the test instance, so you can go to > > > > > > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=News&type=admin > > > > > > to create new articles. This obviously needs to not be the case > > > for the live instance. ;) So we need someone from News to figure > > > out the workflow you would like. > > > > > >> I realize it's early, but it seems like a pretty flat > > >> hierarchy. I'm having trouble picturing how "FWN" would be > > >> carved out. > > > > > > The answer is "we don't know, and we were actually just about to > > > ask you." > > > > > > Dale, would you or anyone from News be willing to tackle > > > https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/32? It shouldn't > > > be that hard, and the best way to carve out FWN so that the News > > > team likes it is to have the News team carve it out. ;) > > > > It's much easier than it seems to "carve out" space for any > > topical area in a CMS. The flatness essentially means things can > > be organized or reorganized at will very easily. That sounds kind > > of hazy and conceptual, but it's pretty simple to have URLs and > > navigation on the site work to support something like: > > > > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/weekly-news > > http://insight.fedoraproject.org/podcasts > > ... > > I'll admit to being somewhat curmudgeonly on the whole CMS idea, but > I am doing my best to put that aside and give it a fair shake. :) I > can see benefits, but wonder what barriers to entry it might create. > > I went back and read up on the fedora-news discussion of what was > referred to as Fedora Journal and Project FooBar before being named > Fedora Insight. > > Most of the conversation took place in July > * http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/thread.html > > Here are my repeatedly edited thoughts which may or may not make > sense by this point. > > > = How might it work? = > > FWN has typically served to provide a roundup of the developments in > Fedora over the previous week, comprised of several "Beats" > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats which cover mailing list(s) > etc for a topic. I can imagine a mapping of Categories in Zikula to > a set of "Beats" or Topics. Presumably each Category produces its > own RSS feed. Users could ignore FWN and subscribe to just a single > beat. Yup, all makes sense. > Each Category may not have or need a beat writer, but if the concept > of FWN is to continue there would have to be a means for a writer to > adopt a Category and feel responsible for monitoring it. The beat > writer or others could contribute stories at any point during the > week. Once a week a beat writer could post a roundup of their beat > including the usual sources, plus any postings made to the Fedora > Insight category during the week. > > A FWN editor could then gather these beat roundups into a larger > roundup called FWN (or something else) for publishing with a ToC and > a summary abstract. That post would go in the FWN category, and the > RSS feed from that would become FWN. This makes sense too -- LWN.net does something that looks like this from the outside, although I'm not sure how their internal process works. > That whole concept could also possibly go out the window, but that > seems a shame. It seems to me there is value in a regularly > scheduled newsletter. Otherwise, isn't it just a forum or a blog? If > developers and others post enough news, maybe there won't be much > need for a beat writer, or maybe the writer will feel discouraged > that way. The way LWN does it seems to work very well. I don't check it every day, but I usually look at the weeklies to see what I missed by not doing so. By giving the users more choices we're doing a better job getting news out there. Some people read RSS every day, some people will read the weekly aggregations. > The creation of categories is something to work out. They seem to be > flat and would span the CMS. The mechanics of assigning beat writers > is something to ponder. Also a means to notify an editor that a > category round up is complete would need to be pondered. Tags? Same > old wiki page? This is where a CMS can excel -- workflow. It could actually notify the editor via email (or some other way) when a beat writer simply checks a box or tags a beat done. > = Ease of adoption = > > Putting my curmudgeon hat back on... Posting content is going to be > very inconvenient without the leverage of wiki markup. Constructing > links to list postings, wiki content, other news items will be much > more painful. Perhaps there are Zikula plugins to recreate some > functionality like the in mediawiki. Such > plugins would require explanation to new beat writers. I reckon way > more newcomers will be familiar with Mediawiki. > > It seems to me this could make it harder to attract beat > writers. Maybe that's only a personal bias. Maybe more time poking > Zikula will yield more optimism, but it's time spent poking. (I'll > continue to poke some more) Zikula should include one or more WYSIWYG editors that make life even easier than the MediaWiki markup. A contributor could use the same tools they're used to on Wordpress, Google Docs, forums, and all around the web. > Besides all the logistics, this is the biggest problem to me as a > beat writer. I am loathe to hand code HTML. Beat writers burn out > all the time. The more painful it is, the quicker the > burnout. Life's hard though. :) Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 15:46:26 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:46:26 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <4AB0EE4A.3020208@fedoraproject.org> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0EE4A.3020208@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20090916154626.GG25010@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:55:22AM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > On 09/16/2009 09:18 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! > > The way Zikula works on pt6 right now, they are going to have to hand > code HTML when posting an article if they are linking images and linking > within the document and out to other documents. > > I'd imagine there are WYSIWYG editors available for Zikula but we don't > have any installed. Yeah, the WYSIWYG editor problem needs to be (and can be) solved. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Wed Sep 16 15:55:13 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:55:13 -0400 Subject: Fedora News on Zikula In-Reply-To: <20090916154626.GG25010@localhost.localdomain> References: <489799.61253082783323.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <19956652.81253082921171.JavaMail.dlbewley@seitan.home.bewley.net> <20090916131858.GG18731@localhost.localdomain> <4AB0EE4A.3020208@fedoraproject.org> <20090916154626.GG25010@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AB10A61.3020904@redhat.com> > Yeah, the WYSIWYG editor problem needs to be (and can be) solved. Ticketed. :) Feel free to hop on https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/47 and help - chime in on what kind of WYSIWYG you'd like, things you've used before and enjoyed, etc. (...and if you'd like to chase down the packaging and deployment of this too, yay!) --Mel From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Thu Sep 17 00:50:55 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:50:55 -0700 Subject: zikula fwn experimentation Message-ID: <1253148655.10968.99.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> I've been experimenting with Zikula as it would/could/will relate to FWN. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight Things seem labor intensive so far. Some frustration may be my ignorance or just incomplete configuration/customization of the application. It would be pretty inconvenient to lose the mediawiki templates such as {{bz}}, {{package}}, {{filename}}, etc. I would really hope for some sort of similar macro system in the CMS. It also would be unfortunate to lose the ability to quickly and intuitively link to things like [[Releases/12]] or [[User:Dale]] or etc. = Beats -> Categories ? = The Beats concept could possibly be mapped to the Category concept. To create a category, you must non-intuitively click: Administration -> System -> Modules -> News -> Create Article -> "the little pen next to category drop down". Don't use: Administration -> Content -> Categories as those don't appear in the list when you create a news item. When creating a news item you can only select one category. I could imagine a scenerio where you might want to pick 'Virtualization' and 'FWN'... Do tags make more sense? But who wants to manually type error prone tags? = FWN Issue = I played around and made a little mini FWN 101 just to ponder how it could be done. Pretty klunky so far... http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php/News/2009/9/17/Fedora-Weekly-News-101/ I'm not sure what should go into it exactly. It would be nice if it could transclude other posts. Maybe even based of a tag/category set by beat writers on their weekly summaries. Would a top level category like Beats make it easier to create a FWN? From pcalarco at nd.edu Thu Sep 17 00:54:44 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora weekly news 193 podcast In-Reply-To: <4AB157C0.2060605@gmx.de> References: <4AB157C0.2060605@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4AB188D4.5050308@nd.edu> Hi Henrik -- This is great that you are doing this -- a nice 2:30 min. summary overview of the latest FWN, and I think that its fantastic to be available in German as well! Fedora Insight has the express goal of bringing together more multimedia content about Fedora, and I think this is an interesting way to add some immediate content there that is kind of a gateway to the larger FWN issue. Would you be willing to keep producing this for inclusion in Fedora Insight? Thanks! Best regards, Pascal Calarco Fedora Ambassador, Fedora Weekly News editorial team wonderer wrote: > hello there, > > I'm doing the fedora weekly news in german for quite a while, so I > thought it would be a good time to make a little "special" for all those > who better can follow such podcast in english. > It can be found at > http://blog.radiotux.de/2009/09/16/fedora-weekly-news-fwn-193/ and also > the RSS feed of radiotux itself. > What do you think about it so far? Are there interrests to have it in > german AND english (maybe we could think then about putting it into > zikula, iTunes, etc. - just some thought crawling around my brain) > Hopefully you enjoy this little "experiment" and maybe somebody else > have some fun making such podcasts and step in. > > Also I'm searching for Interview partners (Developers, Contributors, > etc.) who want to say something and have to tell the world outside > fedora whats on the minds of the Fedora people around the world. > > > > mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards > Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org > > PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > From mel at redhat.com Thu Sep 17 03:24:43 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:24:43 -0400 Subject: zikula fwn experimentation In-Reply-To: <1253148655.10968.99.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> References: <1253148655.10968.99.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <4AB1ABFB.3050706@redhat.com> Wow. Thanks, Dale - for both this and your earlier detailed explanations on how FWN on FI might work - let me see if I understand the things we'd need to do to make this work - how accurate is the following? == Benefits == * if we get wysiwyg working, it will be easier to make an article on zikula than on the wiki. * readers can comment on FWN issues * the submission/review/publication workflow will likely be easier to manage once we work it out == Things we need to implement to make this work == * implement wysiwyg * implement a way for zikula to use a similar sort of macro system as our current mediawiki templates such as {{bz}}, {{package}}, {{filename}}, etc * implement a way for zikula to quickly and intuitively link to things like [[Releases/12]] or [[User:Dale]] or etc * come up with a way to make news items taggable under multiple categories from a preselected list (in zikulaspeak, this would probably be "enable selecting multiple categories for the same item" or "be constrained to choosing a preselected list of tags"). > http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php/News/2009/9/17/Fedora-Weekly-News-101/ > > I'm not sure what should go into it exactly. It would be nice if it > could transclude other posts. Maybe even based of a tag/category set by > beat writers on their weekly summaries. > > Would a top level category like Beats make it easier to create a FWN? Throwing a random edge-case idea out here: What would happen if "FWN" became a tag that meant "this is a weekly summary," and you could select what combination of tags you'd like your FI view (or feed) to exhibit? Then beats would be tagged with both "FWN" and the tag that is their beat name (QA/Marketing/Planet/etc). The FWN summary would have its own special beat tag ("From-the-FWN-editor's-Desk") and would either transclude or link to all the other "FWN" posts made in the last 7 days. (This may not work or be realistically possible to do with zikula; I'm trying to throw a concrete strawman out so it can be ripped apart. ;) --Mel From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Thu Sep 17 07:05:16 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:05:16 +0200 Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora weekly news 193 podcast In-Reply-To: <4AB188D4.5050308@nd.edu> References: <4AB157C0.2060605@gmx.de> <4AB188D4.5050308@nd.edu> Message-ID: <4AB1DFAC.2070408@gmx.de> Hy, > > This is great that you are doing this -- a nice 2:30 min. summary > overview of the latest FWN, and I think that its fantastic to be > available in German as well! > > Fedora Insight has the express goal of bringing together more > multimedia content about Fedora, and I think this is an interesting > way to add some immediate content there that is kind of a gateway to > the larger FWN issue. Would you be willing to keep producing this for > inclusion in Fedora Insight? Thanks! Shure. Maybe (If i find some time) i can write a little article how to produce such a podcast for InSight. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org From awilliam at redhat.com Fri Sep 18 23:09:23 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:09:23 -0700 Subject: qa beat in Message-ID: <1253315363.8437.72.camel@adam.local.net> qa beat is in for 194. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From atrail271 at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 00:05:05 2009 From: atrail271 at gmail.com (Douglas Hartman) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:05:05 -0400 Subject: qa beat in In-Reply-To: <1253315363.8437.72.camel@adam.local.net> References: <1253315363.8437.72.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: Please take Me off Your mailing list Thank You! On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > qa beat is in for 194. > > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > http://www.happyassassin.net > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 00:08:49 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:08:49 -0700 Subject: qa beat in In-Reply-To: References: <1253315363.8437.72.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <4AB42111.6020800@gmail.com> Do it yourself. From the sig: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list Douglas Hartman wrote: > Please take Me off Your mailing list Thank You! > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > qa beat is in for 194. > > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > http://www.happyassassin.net > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Sun Sep 20 18:45:27 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:45:27 -0700 Subject: virt complete Message-ID: <1253472327.1227.2.camel@seitan.home.bewley.net> I also reset the beat table for 9/20 fwn and then re-marked QA complete. From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 21:56:01 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:56:01 -0700 Subject: KDE beat 'done' Message-ID: <200909201456.10865.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> Hi, I've just finished up the KDE beat for this week. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/KDE#Post_4.3.1_fixes As this is my first beat for FWN, I was hoping that someone could look over it to verify that it fits with the style of FWN, if there is an official style. I will mark the entry as COMPLETED when I get a confirmation that it is fit for release. Ryan -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: DalNet is like the special olympics of IRC. There's a lot of drooling goin' on and everyone is a 'winner'. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 21 01:29:25 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:29:25 -0400 Subject: KDE beat 'done' In-Reply-To: <200909201456.10865.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> References: <200909201456.10865.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB6D6F5.6030400@nd.edu> Hi Ryan -- Thanks so much for volunteering to do this beat! This looks great, I don't see anything that really needs changes. Go ahead and mark it as complete, and I'll edit as needed when I put the issue together tomorrow. - pascal Ryan Rix wrote: > Hi, > > I've just finished up the KDE beat for this week. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/KDE#Post_4.3.1_fixes > > As this is my first beat for FWN, I was hoping that someone could look over it > to verify that it fits with the style of FWN, if there is an official style. I > will mark the entry as COMPLETED when I get a confirmation that it is fit for > release. > > Ryan > > From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 21 01:31:11 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:31:11 -0400 Subject: virt complete In-Reply-To: <1253472327.1227.2.camel@seitan.home.bewley.net> References: <1253472327.1227.2.camel@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <4AB6D75F.6040104@nd.edu> Great, thanks Dale! Thanks also for trying out zikula for Fedora Insight and seeing how FWN content might work with this. Once we have a WYSIWYG editor in place, it seems that this may be easier than the current wiki process. - pascal Dale Bewley wrote: > I also reset the beat table for 9/20 fwn and then re-marked QA complete. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 21 14:52:08 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:52:08 -0400 Subject: FWN 194 Message-ID: <4AB79318.3080302@nd.edu> Thanks for everyone's beats for this week. I am putting together the issue now, and am wondering if there are any more beats for this week? I can hold off if folks need more time. - pascal From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 15:25:29 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:25:29 -0700 Subject: FWN 194 In-Reply-To: <4AB79318.3080302@nd.edu> References: <4AB79318.3080302@nd.edu> Message-ID: <7a0d56080909210825w5051bbafm205b1d2768c1f59b@mail.gmail.com> Pascal -- Sorry not to get back to you earlier -- no Ambassadors this week. We'll have Software Freedom Day reports next week. Larry On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Pascal Calarco wrote: > Thanks for everyone's beats for this week. I am putting together the issue > now, and am wondering if there are any more beats for this week? 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URL: From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 21 17:30:39 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:30:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 194 Message-ID: <4AB7B83F.3000301@nd.edu> * 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 194 o 1.1 Planet Fedora + 1.1.1 General o 1.2 Marketing + 1.2.1 Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-15 + 1.2.2 F12 Talking points + 1.2.3 F12 release slogan selection + 1.2.4 Fedora Insight update + 1.2.5 Marketing Research o 1.3 QualityAssurance + 1.3.1 Test Days + 1.3.2 Weekly meetings + 1.3.3 Pre-beta install testing + 1.3.4 Intel graphics information request + 1.3.5 Graphics test week recap o 1.4 Artwork + 1.4.1 Behind the Schedule + 1.4.2 DIY Media Sleeve o 1.5 Virtualization + 1.5.1 Fedora Virtualization List # 1.5.1.1 Virtualization Test Day + 1.5.2 Libvirt List # 1.5.2.1 New Release libvirt 0.7.1 # 1.5.2.2 New Release perl-Sys-Virt 0.2.2 # 1.5.2.3 Guest Sound Over VNC o 1.6 KDE + 1.6.1 Live image dependencies: breaking libcanberra-gtk2 dependency + 1.6.2 KDE 4.3.1 pushed to Stable + 1.6.3 Post 4.3.1 fixes + 1.6.4 New KDE Applications - Fedora Weekly News Issue 194 - Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 194[1] for the week ending September 20, 2009. What follows are some highlights from this issue. This week we welcome a brand new beat by Ryan Rix on KDE developments in Fedora! In news from the Fedora Planet, news, views and innovations from Fedora community members. The Quality Assurance beat this week provides details from last week's various graphics tests, audio and virtualization Test Days, along with detailed summaries of the QA weekly meetings, Bugzappers and other regular activities. In Art/Design news, discussion around the desire for a "do it yourself" media sleeve, and updates on the Fedora 12 schedule for the team. In virtualization news, updates on the recent virtualization Test Day, and details of new versions of libvirt, perl-Sys-Virt, and coverage of recent discussion about guest sound over VNC. Our first KDE beat features news of KDE 4.3.1 hitting Fedora updates and some post-release fixes, news on several new KDE applications, and coverage of work of the KDE SIG team this past week. That rounds out this week's issue of Fedora Weekly News, which we hope you enjoy! If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list at redhat.com The Fedora News team is collaborating with Marketing and Docs to come up with a new exciting platform for disseminating news and views on Fedora, called Fedora Insight. If you are interested, please join the list and let us know how you would like to assist with this effort. FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue194 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Planet Fedora -- In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin 1. http://planet.fedoraproject.org --- General --- Lennart Poettering wrote[1] a mutex profiler called mutrace. "When naively profiling multi-threaded applications the time spent waiting for mutexes is not necessarily visible in the generated output. However lock contention can have a big impact on the runtime behaviour of applications...To improve the situation if have now written a mutex profiler called mutrace." Way back in May, Daniel Walsh introduced[2] the SELinux sandbox. "As soon as I released it, I received email asking if it could be used to sandbox Acroread, and I had to say 'Sorry, it can't do that'."[3]. But now it can. It can even be used to sandbox Firefox[4]. Josh Boyer shared[5] an amusing anecdote about running wires with his two-year-old son. Who knew that patch cables could be so much fun? Mel Chua asked[6] for "I use Fedora" stories from the community. "Write up your story about using Fedora, the stories of your friends and the people you?ve introduced Fedora to". Michael DeHaan quickly built[7] a lab of 85 machines in Chicago for the Red Hat Summit, using cobbler (did I mention that version 2.0 was just released?[8]). Similarly, Jeroen van Meeuwen mentioned[9] that puppetmanaged.org is available, comprising "a collection of modules for Puppet", the "system for automating system administration tasks". M?ir?n Duffy finished[10] a set of mockups for the Fedora Project's Spins page. 1. http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/mutrace.html 2. http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/28545.html 3. http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/31146.html 4. http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/31247.html 5. http://jwboyer.livejournal.com/36271.html 6. http://blog.melchua.com/2009/09/16/marketing-write-an-i-use-fedora-story/ 7. http://michaeldehaan.net/2009/09/17/travelling-linux-lab-controller-in-a-box/ 8. http://michaeldehaan.net/2009/09/17/cobbler-2-0-released/ 9. http://www.kanarip.com/node/859 10. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/spins-fpo-mockups/ -- Marketing -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Marketing Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing Contributing Writer: Chaitanya Mehandru --- Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-15 --- Meeting logs [1] and notes [2] for the 2009-09-15 Fedora Marketing Meeting were made available. All Marketing meetings and notes are open to the public. [3] --- F12 Talking points --- Some big news!! The F12 talking points have been released, and are ready for use (and improvement!)[4]. Many thanks to Steven Moix, Paul Frields, and Jon Roberts for their hard work. --- F12 release slogan selection --- Different ideas and themes were introduced making it a hot topic. Finally ?Unite? was supported well and is the proposed slogan waiting acceptance in the final call[5]. --- Fedora Insight update --- We are almost done with Deployment and have the status for some of the known outstanding things like packaging[6][7]. By September 21, everything gets packaged and staged for loadtesting and we will then be able to move from staging to production by September 28. Dale Bewley is looking into a workflow to see how FWN could use "fun things you can do with Fedora" and has been experimenting with Zikula to prepare a mini FWN[8]. Mel suggested that it might be a good opportunity for Ambassadors to help create Marketing collateral that would be useful for other Ambassadors: Prepare short stories for "I use Fedora" rotations on the webpage and Fedora Insight. [9]. It's something that would be great for Ambassadors to do before the F12 launch (before the Beta launch, if possible) - write up *your* story about using Fedora, the stories of your friends and the people you've introduced Fedora to - and also potentially something fun to do *at* an F12 launch event; interview new users, make a podcast with them, film them describing something cool they've just discovered about their new operating system, help them write an article for FI. --- Marketing Research --- Robyn Bergeron proposed the participation of FUDCon attendees being useful in marketing research. Sub-groups like FI, Design, Desktop SIG, Ambassadors and FUDCon attendees can be very helpful resources for answering/retrieving valuable market research questions/information. Robyn wil also figure out the marketing research timeline between now and FUDCon. Mel Chua to look into getting limesurvey into infra and ask RHT Marketing folks about publicly available datasets for marketing research 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-15/fedora-meeting.2009-09-15-20.00.log.html 2. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-15/fedora-meeting.2009-09-15-20.00.html 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan 6. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/36 7. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/25 8. http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php/News/2009/9/17/Fedora-Weekly-News-101/ 9. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/12 -- QualityAssurance -- In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1]. Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA --- Test Days --- Last week saw two main track Test Days. The first was on audio, including PulseAudio[1]. The second was on virtualization[2]. The audio Test Day saw good turnout and encouraging results, with basic audio functionality failing for only two out of 21 testers. The virtualization event saw a group of experienced testers carry out much detailed testing on a wide range of features. Thanks to all who turned out to both events. Next week's Test Day will be on Xfce[3]. This popular alternative desktop environment has an enthusiastic Fedora maintenance team and has produced polished live CD releases for the last few Fedora releases, so if you're an Xfce fan, please come along to the Test Day and help make sure it's in good working shape for the Fedora 12 release! No Fit and Finish track Test Day is planned for next week. If you would like to propose a main track Test Day for the Fedora 12 cycle, please contact the QA team via email or IRC, or file a ticket in QA Trac[4]. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-16_Audio 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-17_Virtualization 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-24_XFCE 4. http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ --- Weekly meetings --- The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-09-14. The full log is available[2]. Adam Williamson mentioned that the new test-announce mailing list[3] was up and running and already being used for announcements, and thanked David Pravec for the idea and the implementation. Kamil Paral gave an update on his investigation into the possible use of zsync to reduce the size of live image transfers. He had written a blog post[4] on the potential benefits. They seemed significant and worthwhile, but Kevin Fenzi had pointed out a problem: zsync is not packaged in Fedora, so cannot be installed on the server, and acceptance of zsync as a Fedora package is currently blocked by its use of an internal copy of the zlib library[5]. Various attempts have been made to have the zlib changes involved, which are also included in rsync, split out into a separate package or merged into upstream zlib, but this has not yet been successfully accomplished. After some discussion, Adam Williamson promised to send a follow-up email to all interested parties to try to restart this process. Will Woods reported on the progress of the AutoQA project. Failure reports sent to the mailing lists now include traceback information, where available. The installation tests now monitor both the serial console and the installer log files. Will is working on a TurboGears application to cover exporting the necessary information from the autoqa system to support the proposed israwhidebroken.com Rawhide status page. His current code is available in a git repository[6]. He expects to be able to implement the page within a few weeks, and also to make a public instance of the autotest/autoqa systems available. Adam Williamson led a Test Day roundup. Sebastian Dziallas reported on the Sugar on a Stick Test Day[7]. He was very happy with the participation and feedback received, and felt that the experimental use of the Semantic plugin for result reporting had been successful. He promised to follow up with Adam and James Laska on the use of Semantic. Adam reported on the Graphics Test Week which had happened the previous week, saying that turnout had been good and he was working on a round up. He also trailed the then-upcoming audio and virtualization Test Days. Mark McLoughlin reported that preparations for the virtualization Test Day were advanced, but asked people to check over the Wiki page and suggest any improvements. John Poelstra reminded the group of the then-upcoming blocker bug review meeting for Fedora 12 Beta on Friday 2009-09-18. The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[8] was held on 2009-09-15. The full log is available[9]. Brennan Ashton reported he was close to having the new version of the triage metrics system available, and hoped to have it available in a few days' time. He had looked for a co-maintainer for the project, but not found one yet. Edward Kirk made some proposals to improve the Triage Day project. He suggested moving it to the weekend and making it bi-monthly. Niels Haase said he was interested in driving the changes and leading the events, as Edward would not be able to do this regularly. Niels suggested requiring new members attend a Triage Day before their membership was approved, but Edward felt this would not be a good idea. Ben Williams suggested creating a Fedora classroom for triaging, and the other group members felt this was a promising idea. Adam Williamson suggested Edward and Niels develop their thoughts and bring them forward on the mailing list or at the next week's meeting. Niels Haase asked a question about the Test Day live CD images, wondering if the default configuration could make it easier to access the system via ssh, to make it easier to access logs in the case of failures which make the system unusable directly. Adam Williamson explained that there were considerable security problems in doing this. Niels suggested making it optional via the use of a kernel parameter. Adam said that would involve development work, and suggested posting the suggestion to the development mailing list. The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-09-21 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-09-22 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090914 3. http://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test-announce 4. http://kparal.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/zsync-transfer-large-files-efficiently/ 5. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490140 6. git://git.fedorapeople.org/~wwoods/israwhidebroken.git 7. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-03_SoaS 8. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings 9. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-15/fedora-meeting.2009-09-15-15.08.log.html --- Pre-beta install testing --- Liam Li announced[1] a pre-beta installation testing session, to assess the state of the installation process shortly before the process of building the Fedora 12 Beta begins. He explained that a test matrix was available on the Wiki[2], and asked for group members' help in filling out the tests. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00298.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_PreBeta_Install --- Intel graphics information request --- Adam Jackson asked[1] users of Intel graphics adapters to send him some information to help with reliable display detection. He asked for a dump of the system video BIOS, together with information on the connectors available on the hardware in question. All Intel graphics adapter owners are encouraged to read Adam's request and send him the information from their systems - it is very easy and takes only a minute. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00378.html --- Graphics test week recap --- Adam Williamson reported[1] on the Graphics Test Week, providing a summary of all the bugs reported across the three Test Days, and thanking the developers and testers who showed up to help with testing. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00388.html -- Artwork -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team[1]. Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork --- Behind the Schedule --- After John Poelstra reminded[1]to the Design Team about the planned schedule, M?ir?n Duffy pointed[2] the team is late. While Michael Beckwith tried an alternate 3D route[3], Nicu Buculei argued [4] for using the curent working image "We are late in the process and missed enough deadlines, so we can't afford delaying more" and advanced[5] a first splash mock-up based on it. 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001029.html 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001030.html 3. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001036.html 4. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001038.html 5. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001053.html --- DIY Media Sleeve --- Grant Bowman asked[1] for a "do-it yourself" media sleeve "I would like to work with a designer to develop a one page, color, printable 8.5x11 page that can be printed, folded and used to identify and protect a downloaded and burned CD or DVD copy of Fedora." twohotis proposed[2] a design to which Nicu Buculei objected about the lack of source, "Please also include the source files, so other people in the team can work with them, build on them, make derivatives", bad version of the Fedora logo "request a vector version of our logo, do not use such a small resolution bitmap" and unusable fonts "do not use proprietary fonts (Segoe), other people will want to work on your files and won't be able to due to the lack of fonts". 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001041.html 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001062.html --- Virtualization --- In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization technologies on the @fedora-virt and @libvirt-list lists. Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley --- Fedora Virtualization List --- This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list. ---- Virtualization Test Day ---- The latest Fedora Test Day focused on Virtualization improvements in Fedora 12[1]. Even though the test day was on Sept. 17th, you can still help make F12 the best release possible and learn about the newest features in the process. Visit the test day page, download the live image, and post your experiences on the wiki. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-17_Virtualization --- Libvirt List --- This section contains the discussion happening on the libvir-list. ---- New Release libvirt 0.7.1 ---- Daniel Veillard announced[1] a new image:Echo-package-16px.pnglibvirt release, version 0.7.1. "There is a fair amount of new features and improvement, not surprizing considering 0.7.0[2] was 1.5 months ago. And of course many bug fixes and cleanups:" New features: * Add an internal XML handling API (Miloslav Trma?) * VBox 3.0.6 API change support (Pritesh Kothari) * also allow use of XZ for Qemu image compression (Jim Meyering) * Multipath storage support module (Dave Allan) * VBox add Storage Volume support (Pritesh Kothari) * Support configuration of huge pages in guests (Daniel P. Berrange) * Add support for encrypted (qcow) volume creation. (Miloslav Trma?) * Secret manipulation public API (Miloslav Trma?) * support lzop save compression for qemu (Charles Duffy) * Support new PolicyKit 1.0 API (Daniel P. Berrange) * Compressed save image format for Qemu. (Chris Lalancette) * QEmu add host PCI device hotplug support (Mark McLoughlin) 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-September/msg00481.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue189#New_Release_libvirt_0.7.0 ---- New Release perl-Sys-Virt 0.2.2 ---- Daniel Berrange announced[1] an update of the Perl binding for libvirt, image:Echo-package-16px.pngperl-Sys-Virt[2]. New features: * Add all new APIs upto libvirt 0.7.0 APIs (listing defined network interfaces) * Add missing APIs for looking up storage volumes based on path and key * Fix lookup of network interfaces based on MAC address * Add missing APIs for defining network interfaces and starting defined interfaces 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-September/msg00464.html 2. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Sys-Virt/ ---- Guest Sound Over VNC ---- Dave Allan noticed[1] "when a KVM guest created with virt-manager is running on F10, sound on the physical host stops working. When all VMs are shutdown, sound starts working again. Removing the tag from the VM XML allows sound to work while the VM is booted." and suggested disabling sound in guests by default. Daniel Berrange explained[2] "It is complicated :-) In Fedora >= 11 we currently disable all use of sound cards, but this upsets people who want sound ;-P I'm working on a new version of the patch which sets up audio-over-VNC[3], while for SDL allows the host audio backend to be used & configured. I still need to finish my GTK-VNC patches to do the client end of audio over VNC, then it'll all play correctly with desktop audio services via gstreamer/pulseaudio." 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-September/msg00494.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-September/msg00499.html 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VirtVNCResourceTunnel -- KDE -- This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora KDE Special Interests Group[1]. Contributing Writer: Ryan Rix 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE --- Live image dependencies: breaking libcanberra-gtk2 dependency --- This week the KDE SIG team worked to remove a dependency in libcanberra-gtk2 that pulled in GDM and various GNOME utilities. The dependency was introduced this week and was not included on any KDE live images, but by fixing this by having both GDM and libcanberra-gtk2 own /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/,[1] KDE Live Images are kept about about 30MiB smaller. 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522998 --- KDE 4.3.1 pushed to Stable --- KDE 4.3.1 is now available in Fedora Updates. A full list of 4.3.1 changes can be found upstream[1] 1. http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_3_0to4_3_1.php --- Post 4.3.1 fixes --- A number of bug fixes[1][2][3] will be pushed as separate updates some time after KDE 4.3.1. These bugs address issues in a fix in Kopete's Bonjour plugin, a crash in Kmail's LDAP autocompletion and a fix in Krfb and have are awaiting testing. 1. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206024 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523131 3. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-kde/2009-September/004028.html --- New KDE Applications --- This week a few new applications have been put into review and testing stages. * Eike Hein and the Konversation team have been working to put out a new, unofficial build of Konversation, working to make it feature complete as compared to the KDE 3 version. Rex Dieter has built an SVN build containing markerline support and various bug fixes and it is in kde-redhat/unstable[1] Eike says that Konversation 1.2 Beta1 should be available very soon. * Skrooge, a personal finance manager[2] has been added to Fedora Rawhide and Updates-testing by Thomas Janssen. 1. http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/konversation/ChangeLog?view=markup, 2. http://extragear.kde.org/apps/skrooge/ - end FWN 194 - Pascal Calarco, Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 21 17:31:44 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:31:44 -0400 Subject: FWN 194 In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080909210825w5051bbafm205b1d2768c1f59b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB79318.3080302@nd.edu> <7a0d56080909210825w5051bbafm205b1d2768c1f59b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB7B880.7090503@nd.edu> No problem, thanks Larry! FWN 194 is on its way out the bit chute now! Thanks for everyone's contributions to this issue! - pascal On 21/09/09 11:25 AM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Pascal -- > > Sorry not to get back to you earlier -- no Ambassadors this week. We'll > have Software Freedom Day reports next week. > > Larry > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Pascal Calarco > wrote: > > Thanks for everyone's beats for this week. I am putting together > the issue now, and am wondering if there are any more beats for this > week? I can hold off if folks need more time. > > - pascal > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list > > From pcalarco at nd.edu Tue Sep 22 03:23:37 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:23:37 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Marketing-trac: #32: Get a News workflow for FI] Message-ID: <4AB84339.4010308@nd.edu> Mel and News Team: what do you think about taking FWN 194 and entering each of the beats in in Zukula as individual entries to see how this would work? Dale has tried this out a bit with part of his beat last week. What about working up an entire issue as the next step? I can make some time for this, this week. - pascal -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: marketing-team Subject: Re: Marketing-trac: #32: Get a News workflow for FI Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:59:39 -0400 Size: 4277 URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Sep 22 04:27:53 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Marketing-trac: #32: Get a News workflow for FI] In-Reply-To: <4AB84339.4010308@nd.edu> References: <4AB84339.4010308@nd.edu> Message-ID: <4AB85249.2090602@redhat.com> On 09/21/2009 11:23 PM, Pascal Calarco wrote: > Mel and News Team: > > what do you think about taking FWN 194 and entering each of the beats in > in Zukula as individual entries to see how this would work? Dale has > tried this out a bit with part of his beat last week. What about working > up an entire issue as the next step? I can make some time for this, this > week. This gets a +1 from me - I'm in training and out of commission until Saturday, but putting an old issue up on our test instance seems like a great way to test the waters. Anyone who's interested in helping with this will need the admin login for zikula on pt6 (http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ - it's down right now though) which can be obtained by pinging me, mizmo, itbegins, mmcgrath, Affix, or rbergeron. I think the most likely outcome of this round of playing with zikula is not a finished workflow, but a specification of what the finished workflow should look like, so that we can do whatever tinkering is needed to make that happen. Thanks! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Sep 26 04:35:22 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:35:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight schedule slip: new launch date 10/14 In-Reply-To: References: <4ABC6031.5010709@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4ABD9A0A.6090706@redhat.com> Thanks for the nudging-forward questions, Max. :) > Is there special content planned for launch day/launch week, so that we > get off to an exciting start? Or are we just going to launch with a post > that says "hello, world"? Yep, that's the general idea, though we could be doing much better at nailing this down and stacking the queue ready to go. As a start, Jon started marking Planet posts that could be repurposed into great FI content (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00145.html) and Martin has been working on materials for the "fun projects" rotation (https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/11). We could use more. Anyone keen on being the temporary FI editor (obtain material and publish it at what you reckon is a good pace - the workflow Robyn came up with is wonderfully simple) until, say, FUDCon when we can figure out a more stable scheduling/distribution of responsibilities? (News team: is this something you'd like to do, since you're already doing it every weekend for FWN?) > I feel like the former -- having some stuff in the pipeline locked and > loaded -- will allow Insight to make a big spalsh, and be off to a good > start, but still be somewhat viral in the way it rolls out. +1 > Also, what sort of monitoring will be in place to track activity, which > items of content are most read, etc.? We should be tracking that stuff > from day 1 also, because it will be incredibly useful to have, and to > compare to things like Red Hat magazine. Good point - this is something that hasn't been addressed yet, afaik. No special work being planned at the moment aside from maybe looking after the fact at whatever tracking capabilities Zikula already has built in... Ian, is this something that would fold into your Stats project, and if so, would you be interested in taking this part on? --Mel PS: I'm baaaack! Catching up gradually over the weekend. From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Sun Sep 27 00:35:59 2009 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:35:59 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Marketing-trac: #32: Get a News workflow for FI] In-Reply-To: <4AB84339.4010308@nd.edu> References: <4AB84339.4010308@nd.edu> Message-ID: <1254011759.2540.1.camel@seitan.home.bewley.net> On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 23:23 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > Mel and News Team: > > what do you think about taking FWN 194 and entering each of the beats in > in Zukula as individual entries to see how this would work? Dale has > tried this out a bit with part of his beat last week. What about > working up an entire issue as the next step? I can make some time for > this, this week. I'm sorry, I had 4 days of jury duty and then had to catch up with work, so I haven't had any time to ponder Zikula or much else as of late. From irashadul at gmail.com Sun Sep 27 14:15:14 2009 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:15:14 +0600 Subject: The announcement BEAT has done updating for the week 37 & 38 of the year 2009 Message-ID: <17fa59580909270715k22ea72abo33d0c4249f5ce228@mail.gmail.com> Dear FWN Editors: > > The ANNOUNCEMENT BEAT has done updating for the week 37 and 38 of the year > 2009. > Please check at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Announcements > > I apologize for not to update last week's issue. > Feel free to update/edit any mistakes please. > > > Thanking you, > > Rashadul Islam > irashadul at gmail.com > rislam at irc.freenode.net GPG KEY: 5557BFAC > Fingerprint=CFB7 CAEC 157A 308A F9CE CE00 3620 8084 5557 BFAC > fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From awilliam at redhat.com Mon Sep 28 00:31:51 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:31:51 -0700 Subject: qa beat in Message-ID: <1254097911.2425.40.camel@adam.local.net> qa beat is in for 195. sorry it's a bit late by my standards, my internet connection was down most of friday so I couldn't do it then! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From mel at redhat.com Mon Sep 28 11:59:43 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:59:43 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Marketing-trac: #32: Get a News workflow for FI] In-Reply-To: <1254011759.2540.1.camel@seitan.home.bewley.net> References: <4AB84339.4010308@nd.edu> <1254011759.2540.1.camel@seitan.home.bewley.net> Message-ID: <4AC0A52F.7010203@redhat.com> On 09/26/2009 08:35 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 23:23 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: >> Mel and News Team: >> >> what do you think about taking FWN 194 and entering each of the beats in >> in Zukula as individual entries to see how this would work? Dale has >> tried this out a bit with part of his beat last week. What about >> working up an entire issue as the next step? I can make some time for >> this, this week. > > I'm sorry, I had 4 days of jury duty and then had to catch up with work, > so I haven't had any time to ponder Zikula or much else as of late. > No worries, Dale - I think we've all had a lot to keep up with the last few weeks. Would folks still be interested in trying this out? Pascal, Dale, do you want to schedule in a sprint on IRC sometime (so we can blast through "how do I do X in Zikula?" questions faster together? --Mel From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 12:11:21 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Marketing-trac: #32: Get a News workflow for FI] Message-ID: <7936B5FE0FA08649B9E2969E1CF56714011B05F058@ICE-MBX-4.ice.nd.edu> I, In fact did try working on this over the weekend, and I was able to log into publictest6. But, after logging in, it wasn't obvious to me at all where I could write new items to submit for posting. An IRC meeting would be great, Mel! Dale is Pacific time and I am Eastern, as you are. I'll put together a Doodle poll in a few mins and send out so we can indicate when is possible to meet this week, and we can compare to the #fedora-meeting schedule. - pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: fedora-news-list-bounces at redhat.com To: Dale Bewley Cc: fedora-news-list at redhat.com Sent: Mon Sep 28 07:59:43 2009 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Marketing-trac: #32: Get a News workflow for FI] On 09/26/2009 08:35 PM, Dale Bewley wrote: > On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 23:23 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: >> Mel and News Team: >> >> what do you think about taking FWN 194 and entering each of the beats in >> in Zukula as individual entries to see how this would work? Dale has >> tried this out a bit with part of his beat last week. What about >> working up an entire issue as the next step? I can make some time for >> this, this week. > > I'm sorry, I had 4 days of jury duty and then had to catch up with work, > so I haven't had any time to ponder Zikula or much else as of late. > No worries, Dale - I think we've all had a lot to keep up with the last few weeks. Would folks still be interested in trying this out? Pascal, Dale, do you want to schedule in a sprint on IRC sometime (so we can blast through "how do I do X in Zikula?" questions faster together? --Mel _______________________________________________ Fedora-news-list mailing list Fedora-news-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 14:53:36 2009 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:53:36 -0700 Subject: Ambassadors is in Message-ID: <7a0d56080909280753v1ffd5c64p4d5d942eac7accd5@mail.gmail.com> One day, I swear, I will get my report in before Adam Williamson. :-) Ambassadors is done. 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URL: From awilliam at redhat.com Mon Sep 28 15:07:45 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:07:45 -0700 Subject: Ambassadors is in In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080909280753v1ffd5c64p4d5d942eac7accd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a0d56080909280753v1ffd5c64p4d5d942eac7accd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254150465.2425.56.camel@adam.local.net> On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 07:53 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote: > One day, I swear, I will get my report in before Adam Williamson. :-) qa beat for 196 coming tomorrow! ;) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 16:36:50 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:36:50 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 Message-ID: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> * 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 195 o 1.1 Announcements + 1.1.1 New channel on freenode called #fedora-fad + 1.1.2 All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze (2009-09-29) + 1.1.3 GraphicsMagick-1.3.x for F-11 (ABI change) + 1.1.4 Announcing Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 + 1.1.5 Updating libchamplain to 0.4.0 + 1.1.6 Fedora 12 Mass Branching coming soon + 1.1.7 Upcoming Events o 1.2 Planet Fedora + 1.2.1 General + 1.2.2 FAD EMEA 2009 Links Roundup o 1.3 Marketing + 1.3.1 Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-22 + 1.3.2 F12 Talking points + 1.3.3 Matchmaking for Feature Profile interviews + 1.3.4 Fedora Insight status + 1.3.5 Marketing Research + 1.3.6 Coming up next o 1.4 Ambassadors + 1.4.1 Utah Open Source Conference is coming + 1.4.2 Get on the map + 1.4.3 Fedora 12 is coming o 1.5 QualityAssurance + 1.5.1 Test Days + 1.5.2 Weekly meetings + 1.5.3 Fedora 12 Beta Test compose + 1.5.4 Bug resolution discussion o 1.6 Artwork + 1.6.1 Mosaic Polish - Fedora Weekly News Issue 195 - Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 195[1] for the week ending September 27, 2009. What follows are some highlights from this issue. Kicking off this week's issue in announcements, a new IRC channel for Fedora Activity Days, launched in time for the next upcoming FAD in Germany, and updates on feature freeze for Fedora 12 beta this week, along with other related updates. From the Fedora Planet, postings and views from Fedora contributors worldwide, and a collection of FAD EMEA related links. In marketing news, Fedora 12 talking points, Fedora Insight status and other current activities. In ambassadors, details of the upcoming Utah Open Source Conference, and activities Ambassadors can do for Fedora 12. The Quality Assurance beat this week brings up up-to-date on weekly meeting and Test Day activities, as well as Fedora 12 beta related work. This issue rounds out with news from the Art/Design team, providing detail on the mosaic polish for the Fedora 12 theme. That rounds out this week's issue of Fedora Weekly News, which we hope you enjoy! If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list at redhat.com The Fedora News team is collaborating with Marketing and Docs to come up with a new exciting platform for disseminating news and views on Fedora, called Fedora Insight. If you are interested, please join the list and let us know how you would like to assist with this effort. FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue194 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Announcements -- In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project[1] [2] [3]. Contributing Writer: Rashadul Islam 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/ 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/ 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events THE BREAKING news (Fedora 12 (Constantine) related) are as follows: --- New channel on freenode called #fedora-fad --- Gerold Kassube announced[1] the new IRC-Channel #fedora-fad which is opened right now for everybody to attend a FAD (== Fedora Activity Day) online. Gerold mentioned, ?I created that channel, because of some people asked (also in the past) about who cann't attend a FAD. The next FAD in EMEA takes place (again and by tradition) in Rheinfelden, Germany on the next weekend [2]. ? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-September/msg00006.html 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_EMEA_2009 --- All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze (2009-09-29) --- John Poelstra had explicitly announced[1] that All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze by Tuesday, September 29th, 2009. Beta Freeze [2] means that all features and their associated feature pages must be at 100% completion by this date. The following features are currently not 100% complete and need to be by Tuesday, September 29, 2009. In many cases it appears they are just 1% away. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] Poel also mentioned, ?I will raise feature pages not at 100% at FESCo's meeting on October 2, 2009. Hopefully my job will be easy and there there won't be any.? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00008.html 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Beta_Freeze_Policy 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DisplayPort 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/FCoE 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio 6. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GFS2ClusteredSamba 7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome2.28 8. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_Huge_Page_Backed_Memory 9. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/liblvm 10. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LowerProcessCapabilities 11. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MoreNetworkManagerMobileBroadband 12. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PolicyKitOne 13. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin 14. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NFSv4Default 15. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKitBrowserPlugin 16. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemTapEclipseGUI 17. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemtapTracingRefresh 18. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Thusnelda 19. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControlContinued 20. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XI2 21. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support --- GraphicsMagick-1.3.x for F-11 (ABI change) --- Rex Dieter announced[1], ?Heads up, I'm working on a GM-1.3.7 update to F-11 which includes an ABI break. I'll be taking care of building/fixing dependent packages (including dvdauthor, koffice).? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00004.html --- Announcing Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 --- ?Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 is now available for testing. These snapshots consist of live images only. These were composed yesterday, and made available today.? announced Jesse Keating[1][2][3] Jessy requested to report issues in bugzilla. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00005.html 2. http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ 3. http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ --- Updating libchamplain to 0.4.0 --- Debarshi Ray included[1] , ?I am going to build libchamplain-0.4.0 for Rawhide in a few hours and this involves a change in the soname that will affect: + eog-plugins + empathy? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00006.html --- Fedora 12 Mass Branching coming soon --- Jesse Keating announced[1], ?Per the Fedora 12 Schedule[2] , mass branching for Fedora 12 will happen on the 28th of September, which is this coming Monday. There will be a short CVS outage associated with this event. The exact timing of this outage has not been decided yet, but we will send the outage notification when it has been decided.? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00007.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule --- Upcoming Events --- Mark your agenda with the following events. Please, consider attending or volunteering at an event near you! * North America (NA)[1] * Central & South America (LATAM)[2] * Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)[3] * India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)[4] 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_2 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_3 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_4 -- Planet Fedora -- In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin 1. http://planet.fedoraproject.org --- General --- This past week, Richard W.M. Jones posted a number of tidbits on interesting ways of manipulating virtual machines using Fedora. First, there is virt-rescue[1], which "lets you get a rescue shell on your virtual machine" but running on the host machine. The virt-edit[2] tool allows you to edit files from the host environment. Lastly, virt-ifconfig[3] can list the IP addresses of network interfaces on virtual machine guests. After Mark Shuttleworth's recent keynote at LinuxCon, Chris Ball questioned[4] a potentially sexist remark that Shuttleworth made. Adam Williamson used[5] the opportunity to "consider the wider issues around the topic." Marc Ferguson announced[6] that a new site, FOSS Threads has been launched, where you can buy "designer geekwear. Our shirts are designed to fashionably get attention, start conversations and share your love for free and open source software." Speaking of eye-candy, the SMonohand[7] font has a "chalkboard-y" look to it, and M?ir?n Duffy is looking[8] for someone interested in packaging it for Fedora. Ingvar Hagelund wrote[9] a short shell script that can automatically monitor the service contract expiration of Dell systems. Kulbir Saini found[10] an interesting plugin for Pidgin for use when people ask questions that could easily be solved with a simple Google search. 1. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/virt-rescue/ 2. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/virt-edit/ 3. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/virt-ifconfig/ 4. http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/09/25/on-keynotes-and-apologies 5. http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/09/25/sexism-debate/ 6. http://www.fergytech.com/2009/09/foss-threads-launched/ 7. http://openfontlibrary.org/media/files/dalles/403 8. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/shameless-font-packaging-begging-again/ 9. http://ingvar.blog.linpro.no/2009/09/23/todays-sysadmin-tip-monitoring-dell-support-contracts/ 10. http://gofedora.com/how-to-save-stupid-tech-support-questions/ --- FAD EMEA 2009 Links Roundup --- The Fedora Ambassador Day EMEA 2009 took place this past weekend in Rheinfelden, Germany. There were lots of interesting posts from Max Spevack[1],[2],[3],[4], Joerg Simon[5],[6], Yaakov Nemoy[7] and Pierros Papadeas[8]. 1. http://spevack.livejournal.com/91407.html 2. http://spevack.livejournal.com/91757.html 3. http://spevack.livejournal.com/92156.html 4. http://spevack.livejournal.com/92201.html 5. http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009/09/fad-emea-2009.html 6. http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009/09/fad-emea-2009-day2.html 7. http://loupgaroublond.blogspot.com/2009/09/fad-emea-rheinfelden-friday.html 8. http://pierros.papadeas.gr/?p=42 -- Marketing -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Marketing Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing Contributing Writer: Chaitanya Mehandru --- Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-22 --- Meeting logs [1] and notes [2] for the 2009-09-22. Fedora Marketing Meeting were made available. All Marketing meetings and notes are open to the public. [3] Thanks to Robyn Bergeron for running the meeting in Mel?s absence!! --- F12 Talking points --- Talking points are more or less done[4] and now ambassadors can start using them. Ambassadors can choose from various suggestions on using talking points[5]. --- Matchmaking for Feature Profile interviews --- With the F12 talking points out already, we need to start doing print or podcast interviews around some of the points /features[6]. We identified the desktop,admin and development users category and selected 4 talking points that should definitely have interviews to go along with them- Next-Gen Ogg, NetworkManager enhancements, Virt improvements, and Systemtap improvements. The tools / information to start doing interviews are available[7]. If someone is willing to take something on, please add your name to the wiki as the owner so we know that we (a) have an owner, and (b) don't have 12 owners being redundant. Paul W. Frields has graciously volunteered to do the SystemTap interview and has shared a stub page for the systmetap interview he did in F11[8]. A podcast will be available soon. Thanks Paul!!! We're still looking to synchronize interviewees and interviewers[9]. --- Fedora Insight status --- We originally planned to launch Fedora Insight on September 29 (right before infrastructure freeze), but to get a stable platform up and tested, with a contribution workflow we're all happy with, we pushed the launch date out until right after the freeze instead and moved it to Oct 14(when the freeze lifts), and the revised schedule is available[10]. [11][12]. --- Marketing Research --- Robyn is working on a list of questions on marketing research to be sent out and will keep plugging away at market research. --- Coming up next --- In-depth feature profiles are on track and should get finished by 2009-10-06. Help with podcasts is available on a wiki page "How to make a podcast" and provides advises on how to start with making podcasts for best results[13]. Red Hat Marketing/PR will be helping a during the F12 release cycle and we should have a release video ready for release day. Paul will be recording the video and is currently working to get a couple feature videos ready in the coming weeks. 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-22/fedora-meeting.2009-09-22-20.00.log.html 2. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-22/fedora-meeting.2009-09-22-20.00.html 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points 5. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-September/msg00193.html 6. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/73 7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F12_in-depth_features 8. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SystemTap_in_Fedora_12 9. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/73 10. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Schedule 11. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+Insight&order=priority 12. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule 13. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_podcast -- Ambassadors -- In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors --- Utah Open Source Conference is coming --- If you live in the Mountain West region of the U.S. -- and even if you don't -- don't miss the region's biggest and best Linux festival. Registration is still open for Utah Open Source Conference 2009, to be held in Salt Lake City, Utah, from Oct. 8-10. This is the third year of this annual event, and Fedora is one of the sponsors. Fedora will have a booth at the event and those in the area are urged to attend the event and are welcome to help out. For more information on staffing the booth, contact Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-at-fedoraproject-dot-org. --- Get on the map --- Want to find the nearest ambassador? How about one in Belarus? Now you can. Susmit Shannigrahi reports that finding out the nearest ambassadors, which was once a tedious task, is now as simple as viewing a map. The map is at here and instructions on how to place yourself on the map can be found at here. --- Fedora 12 is coming --- While you may still be promoting Fedora 11 in your areas, you can make plans for Fedora 12 events to promote and celebrate the release of our next version. As such, with the upcoming release of Fedora 12, this is a reminder that posting an announcement of your event on Fedora Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with announcements of upcoming events -- and don't forget to e-mail reports after the events as well. -- QualityAssurance -- In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1]. Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA --- Test Days --- Last week's Test Day[1] was on Xfce[2], the popular alternative desktop. including PulseAudio[3]. The always-loyal Xfce enthusiast base turned out to check on the polish of the Xfce desktop for Fedora 12, and filed many useful bug reports. Thanks to everyone who came out. Next week's Test Day[4] on 2009-10-01 will be on the installer's (Anaconda) storage system. As always, the Test Day will run all day in the #fedora-test-day IRC channel. The complete rewrite of Anaconda's storage code which first appeared in Fedora 11 continues to be refined, so please come out to the Test Day and help us ensure Anaconda is tested on a wide range of storage hardware and configurations. No Fit and Finish track Test Day is planned for next week. If you would like to propose a main track Test Day for the Fedora 12 cycle, please contact the QA team via email or IRC, or file a ticket in QA Trac[5]. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-24_XFCE 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-16_Audio 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-10-01_Anaconda/Features/StorageFiltering 5. http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ --- Weekly meetings --- The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-09-21. The full log is available[2]. Adam Williamson noted that the zsync issues raised at the previous meeting had been discussed in a development mailing list thread[3], but no real movement had yet occurred. Adam Williamson mentioned that the beta release process was getting underway, and the test compose would be happening on 2009-09-23. He also reminded the group that a blocker bug review meeting would be taking place on 2009-09-25. He asked the group to test the test compose, Rawhide itself, and the nightly Rawhide live CDs as much as possible, and particularly to try and test beta blockers bugs that required re-testing. David Pravec said he had been talking to the Anaconda team and they were unhappy about significant changes being made to components on which Anaconda depends so close to the beta release time. The specific example raised was the major changes made to the nss package in the days before the meeting. The group discussed the problem, and agreed that there needed to be better communication between the Anaconda team and developers responsible for the components on which it relies. Jesse Keating pointed out that such changes sometimes result from the Red Hat Enterprise Linux development process, with Red Hat staff being requested to make changes in Fedora for the ultimate benefit of that product. The group unanimously felt that there should be a process for such changes which ensures that they do not negatively affect the Fedora development process, and that Red Hat Enterprise Linux engineers should be required to be considerate of Fedora deadlines and processes when making changes to Fedora. Jesse said he should be able to raise this issue with the appropriate Red Hat management staff. Seth Vidal asked the group whether it would be acceptable to submit a new version of yum which includes history support to Rawhide prior to the release of Fedora 12 Beta. After some discussion, the group agreed that it would be an acceptable risk to make this change, as Seth had already performed some good testing on it and had a good plan for backing out the change if it became necessary. The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[4] was held on 2009-09-22. The full log is available[5]. Edward Kirk noted there had been no real movement on the triage day improvement topic, but he was hoping to pull something together soon. Edward Kirk was also looking for a way to improve the tracking of action items from previous meetings, some of which he felt had fallen through the cracks in the past. After some discussion, John5342 suggested using the team's trac instance[6] for this purpose, and the group agreed this was a good idea. Edward Kirk volunteered to transfer any outstanding action items from previous meetings to Trac. No-one had heard from Brennan Ashton regarding the triage metrics project in the week before the meeting. Richard June gave an update on the kernel triage project. He was still finding that the wireless tickets he was checking were all well-filed and would not much benefit from triage. He was therefore moving to look at a wider range of kernel bugs to see if this impression held true. He was also planning to get in touch with kernel developers to get some instruction on what kinds of information they would require on particular bugs. The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-09-28 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-09-29 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090921 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-September/msg00525.html 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings 5. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-22/fedora-meeting.2009-09-22-15.13.log.html 6. http://fedorahosted.org/triage/ --- Fedora 12 Beta Test compose --- Liam Li announced[1] the Fedora 12 Beta test compose, a test build to check for major showstopper bugs that would appear only in the traditional installer physical media builds. Earlier, he had sent a mail detailing the types of testing[2] that would be useful, and the results matrix page[3] for reporting results. Several people reported failures with the test compose images, and Liam later announced an updated test compose[4] which fixed the most significant bug affecting the earlier compose. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00560.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00446.html 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_Beta_TC_Install 4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00656.html --- Bug resolution discussion --- Sergey Rudchenko asked[1] whether triagers could ever close a bug as NEXTRELEASE without reference to the maintainer responsible for the bug. Adam Williamson explained[2] that this was rarely the case, as it would require certain knowledge of the maintainers intentions regarding which releases they intended to fix the bug in.Karel Volny asked[3] why some of what Adam had said did not seem to match the policy documented on the Bugzilla page[4]. Adam explained[5] that the canonical reference for Fedora's bug process is in fact on the Wiki[6], and explained some wrinkles around distribution versioning, which he promised to explain on the Wiki page. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00549.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00552.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00563.html 4. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status 5. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00565.html 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow -- Artwork -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team[1]. Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork --- Mosaic Polish --- M?ir?n Duffy proposed[1] a new 3D way to produce a polished version of the mosaic that will be used for the Fedora 12 theme "I came up with this today, polishing on the original mosaic [[User:tatica|Mar?a] did with the blur/focus technique we had discussed trying a while back" inquiring if it is a path worth using. It was positively appreciated, with only a reserve from[2] Martin Sourada about the amount of bokeh[3] used: "It looks really great, although while excellent for anaconda banner, I think the amount of lens flare in the wallpaper is a little too much." 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001088.html 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001095.html 3. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001098.html - end FWN #195 - Pascal Calarco, Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 16:37:52 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:37:52 -0400 Subject: FWN 195 is out Message-ID: <4AC0E660.40202@nd.edu> Thanks to everyone who contributed to another wonderful issue of FWN! Your weekly contributions are really interesting and valuable. - pascal From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 16:36:50 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:36:50 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 Message-ID: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> * 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 195 o 1.1 Announcements + 1.1.1 New channel on freenode called #fedora-fad + 1.1.2 All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze (2009-09-29) + 1.1.3 GraphicsMagick-1.3.x for F-11 (ABI change) + 1.1.4 Announcing Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 + 1.1.5 Updating libchamplain to 0.4.0 + 1.1.6 Fedora 12 Mass Branching coming soon + 1.1.7 Upcoming Events o 1.2 Planet Fedora + 1.2.1 General + 1.2.2 FAD EMEA 2009 Links Roundup o 1.3 Marketing + 1.3.1 Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-22 + 1.3.2 F12 Talking points + 1.3.3 Matchmaking for Feature Profile interviews + 1.3.4 Fedora Insight status + 1.3.5 Marketing Research + 1.3.6 Coming up next o 1.4 Ambassadors + 1.4.1 Utah Open Source Conference is coming + 1.4.2 Get on the map + 1.4.3 Fedora 12 is coming o 1.5 QualityAssurance + 1.5.1 Test Days + 1.5.2 Weekly meetings + 1.5.3 Fedora 12 Beta Test compose + 1.5.4 Bug resolution discussion o 1.6 Artwork + 1.6.1 Mosaic Polish - Fedora Weekly News Issue 195 - Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 195[1] for the week ending September 27, 2009. What follows are some highlights from this issue. Kicking off this week's issue in announcements, a new IRC channel for Fedora Activity Days, launched in time for the next upcoming FAD in Germany, and updates on feature freeze for Fedora 12 beta this week, along with other related updates. From the Fedora Planet, postings and views from Fedora contributors worldwide, and a collection of FAD EMEA related links. In marketing news, Fedora 12 talking points, Fedora Insight status and other current activities. In ambassadors, details of the upcoming Utah Open Source Conference, and activities Ambassadors can do for Fedora 12. The Quality Assurance beat this week brings up up-to-date on weekly meeting and Test Day activities, as well as Fedora 12 beta related work. This issue rounds out with news from the Art/Design team, providing detail on the mosaic polish for the Fedora 12 theme. That rounds out this week's issue of Fedora Weekly News, which we hope you enjoy! If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list at redhat.com The Fedora News team is collaborating with Marketing and Docs to come up with a new exciting platform for disseminating news and views on Fedora, called Fedora Insight. If you are interested, please join the list and let us know how you would like to assist with this effort. FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue194 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Announcements -- In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project[1] [2] [3]. Contributing Writer: Rashadul Islam 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/ 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/ 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events THE BREAKING news (Fedora 12 (Constantine) related) are as follows: --- New channel on freenode called #fedora-fad --- Gerold Kassube announced[1] the new IRC-Channel #fedora-fad which is opened right now for everybody to attend a FAD (== Fedora Activity Day) online. Gerold mentioned, ?I created that channel, because of some people asked (also in the past) about who cann't attend a FAD. The next FAD in EMEA takes place (again and by tradition) in Rheinfelden, Germany on the next weekend [2]. ? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-September/msg00006.html 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_EMEA_2009 --- All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze (2009-09-29) --- John Poelstra had explicitly announced[1] that All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze by Tuesday, September 29th, 2009. Beta Freeze [2] means that all features and their associated feature pages must be at 100% completion by this date. The following features are currently not 100% complete and need to be by Tuesday, September 29, 2009. In many cases it appears they are just 1% away. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] Poel also mentioned, ?I will raise feature pages not at 100% at FESCo's meeting on October 2, 2009. Hopefully my job will be easy and there there won't be any.? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00008.html 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Beta_Freeze_Policy 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DisplayPort 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/FCoE 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio 6. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GFS2ClusteredSamba 7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome2.28 8. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_Huge_Page_Backed_Memory 9. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/liblvm 10. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LowerProcessCapabilities 11. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MoreNetworkManagerMobileBroadband 12. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PolicyKitOne 13. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin 14. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NFSv4Default 15. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKitBrowserPlugin 16. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemTapEclipseGUI 17. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemtapTracingRefresh 18. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Thusnelda 19. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControlContinued 20. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XI2 21. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support --- GraphicsMagick-1.3.x for F-11 (ABI change) --- Rex Dieter announced[1], ?Heads up, I'm working on a GM-1.3.7 update to F-11 which includes an ABI break. I'll be taking care of building/fixing dependent packages (including dvdauthor, koffice).? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00004.html --- Announcing Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 --- ?Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 is now available for testing. These snapshots consist of live images only. These were composed yesterday, and made available today.? announced Jesse Keating[1][2][3] Jessy requested to report issues in bugzilla. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00005.html 2. http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ 3. http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ --- Updating libchamplain to 0.4.0 --- Debarshi Ray included[1] , ?I am going to build libchamplain-0.4.0 for Rawhide in a few hours and this involves a change in the soname that will affect: + eog-plugins + empathy? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00006.html --- Fedora 12 Mass Branching coming soon --- Jesse Keating announced[1], ?Per the Fedora 12 Schedule[2] , mass branching for Fedora 12 will happen on the 28th of September, which is this coming Monday. There will be a short CVS outage associated with this event. The exact timing of this outage has not been decided yet, but we will send the outage notification when it has been decided.? 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-September/msg00007.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule --- Upcoming Events --- Mark your agenda with the following events. Please, consider attending or volunteering at an event near you! * North America (NA)[1] * Central & South America (LATAM)[2] * Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA)[3] * India, Asia, Australia (India/APJ)[4] 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_2 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_3 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY10_Q3_.28September_2009_-_November_2009.29_4 -- Planet Fedora -- In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin 1. http://planet.fedoraproject.org --- General --- This past week, Richard W.M. Jones posted a number of tidbits on interesting ways of manipulating virtual machines using Fedora. First, there is virt-rescue[1], which "lets you get a rescue shell on your virtual machine" but running on the host machine. The virt-edit[2] tool allows you to edit files from the host environment. Lastly, virt-ifconfig[3] can list the IP addresses of network interfaces on virtual machine guests. After Mark Shuttleworth's recent keynote at LinuxCon, Chris Ball questioned[4] a potentially sexist remark that Shuttleworth made. Adam Williamson used[5] the opportunity to "consider the wider issues around the topic." Marc Ferguson announced[6] that a new site, FOSS Threads has been launched, where you can buy "designer geekwear. Our shirts are designed to fashionably get attention, start conversations and share your love for free and open source software." Speaking of eye-candy, the SMonohand[7] font has a "chalkboard-y" look to it, and M?ir?n Duffy is looking[8] for someone interested in packaging it for Fedora. Ingvar Hagelund wrote[9] a short shell script that can automatically monitor the service contract expiration of Dell systems. Kulbir Saini found[10] an interesting plugin for Pidgin for use when people ask questions that could easily be solved with a simple Google search. 1. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/virt-rescue/ 2. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/virt-edit/ 3. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/virt-ifconfig/ 4. http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/09/25/on-keynotes-and-apologies 5. http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/09/25/sexism-debate/ 6. http://www.fergytech.com/2009/09/foss-threads-launched/ 7. http://openfontlibrary.org/media/files/dalles/403 8. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/shameless-font-packaging-begging-again/ 9. http://ingvar.blog.linpro.no/2009/09/23/todays-sysadmin-tip-monitoring-dell-support-contracts/ 10. http://gofedora.com/how-to-save-stupid-tech-support-questions/ --- FAD EMEA 2009 Links Roundup --- The Fedora Ambassador Day EMEA 2009 took place this past weekend in Rheinfelden, Germany. There were lots of interesting posts from Max Spevack[1],[2],[3],[4], Joerg Simon[5],[6], Yaakov Nemoy[7] and Pierros Papadeas[8]. 1. http://spevack.livejournal.com/91407.html 2. http://spevack.livejournal.com/91757.html 3. http://spevack.livejournal.com/92156.html 4. http://spevack.livejournal.com/92201.html 5. http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009/09/fad-emea-2009.html 6. http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009/09/fad-emea-2009-day2.html 7. http://loupgaroublond.blogspot.com/2009/09/fad-emea-rheinfelden-friday.html 8. http://pierros.papadeas.gr/?p=42 -- Marketing -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Marketing Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing Contributing Writer: Chaitanya Mehandru --- Marketing Meeting Log for 2009-09-22 --- Meeting logs [1] and notes [2] for the 2009-09-22. Fedora Marketing Meeting were made available. All Marketing meetings and notes are open to the public. [3] Thanks to Robyn Bergeron for running the meeting in Mel?s absence!! --- F12 Talking points --- Talking points are more or less done[4] and now ambassadors can start using them. Ambassadors can choose from various suggestions on using talking points[5]. --- Matchmaking for Feature Profile interviews --- With the F12 talking points out already, we need to start doing print or podcast interviews around some of the points /features[6]. We identified the desktop,admin and development users category and selected 4 talking points that should definitely have interviews to go along with them- Next-Gen Ogg, NetworkManager enhancements, Virt improvements, and Systemtap improvements. The tools / information to start doing interviews are available[7]. If someone is willing to take something on, please add your name to the wiki as the owner so we know that we (a) have an owner, and (b) don't have 12 owners being redundant. Paul W. Frields has graciously volunteered to do the SystemTap interview and has shared a stub page for the systmetap interview he did in F11[8]. A podcast will be available soon. Thanks Paul!!! We're still looking to synchronize interviewees and interviewers[9]. --- Fedora Insight status --- We originally planned to launch Fedora Insight on September 29 (right before infrastructure freeze), but to get a stable platform up and tested, with a contribution workflow we're all happy with, we pushed the launch date out until right after the freeze instead and moved it to Oct 14(when the freeze lifts), and the revised schedule is available[10]. [11][12]. --- Marketing Research --- Robyn is working on a list of questions on marketing research to be sent out and will keep plugging away at market research. --- Coming up next --- In-depth feature profiles are on track and should get finished by 2009-10-06. Help with podcasts is available on a wiki page "How to make a podcast" and provides advises on how to start with making podcasts for best results[13]. Red Hat Marketing/PR will be helping a during the F12 release cycle and we should have a release video ready for release day. Paul will be recording the video and is currently working to get a couple feature videos ready in the coming weeks. 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-22/fedora-meeting.2009-09-22-20.00.log.html 2. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-22/fedora-meeting.2009-09-22-20.00.html 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points 5. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-September/msg00193.html 6. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/73 7. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F12_in-depth_features 8. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SystemTap_in_Fedora_12 9. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/73 10. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Schedule 11. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+Insight&order=priority 12. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule 13. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_make_a_podcast -- Ambassadors -- In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors --- Utah Open Source Conference is coming --- If you live in the Mountain West region of the U.S. -- and even if you don't -- don't miss the region's biggest and best Linux festival. Registration is still open for Utah Open Source Conference 2009, to be held in Salt Lake City, Utah, from Oct. 8-10. This is the third year of this annual event, and Fedora is one of the sponsors. Fedora will have a booth at the event and those in the area are urged to attend the event and are welcome to help out. For more information on staffing the booth, contact Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-at-fedoraproject-dot-org. --- Get on the map --- Want to find the nearest ambassador? How about one in Belarus? Now you can. Susmit Shannigrahi reports that finding out the nearest ambassadors, which was once a tedious task, is now as simple as viewing a map. The map is at here and instructions on how to place yourself on the map can be found at here. --- Fedora 12 is coming --- While you may still be promoting Fedora 11 in your areas, you can make plans for Fedora 12 events to promote and celebrate the release of our next version. As such, with the upcoming release of Fedora 12, this is a reminder that posting an announcement of your event on Fedora Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with announcements of upcoming events -- and don't forget to e-mail reports after the events as well. -- QualityAssurance -- In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1]. Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA --- Test Days --- Last week's Test Day[1] was on Xfce[2], the popular alternative desktop. including PulseAudio[3]. The always-loyal Xfce enthusiast base turned out to check on the polish of the Xfce desktop for Fedora 12, and filed many useful bug reports. Thanks to everyone who came out. Next week's Test Day[4] on 2009-10-01 will be on the installer's (Anaconda) storage system. As always, the Test Day will run all day in the #fedora-test-day IRC channel. The complete rewrite of Anaconda's storage code which first appeared in Fedora 11 continues to be refined, so please come out to the Test Day and help us ensure Anaconda is tested on a wide range of storage hardware and configurations. No Fit and Finish track Test Day is planned for next week. If you would like to propose a main track Test Day for the Fedora 12 cycle, please contact the QA team via email or IRC, or file a ticket in QA Trac[5]. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-24_XFCE 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-16_Audio 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-10-01_Anaconda/Features/StorageFiltering 5. http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ --- Weekly meetings --- The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-09-21. The full log is available[2]. Adam Williamson noted that the zsync issues raised at the previous meeting had been discussed in a development mailing list thread[3], but no real movement had yet occurred. Adam Williamson mentioned that the beta release process was getting underway, and the test compose would be happening on 2009-09-23. He also reminded the group that a blocker bug review meeting would be taking place on 2009-09-25. He asked the group to test the test compose, Rawhide itself, and the nightly Rawhide live CDs as much as possible, and particularly to try and test beta blockers bugs that required re-testing. David Pravec said he had been talking to the Anaconda team and they were unhappy about significant changes being made to components on which Anaconda depends so close to the beta release time. The specific example raised was the major changes made to the nss package in the days before the meeting. The group discussed the problem, and agreed that there needed to be better communication between the Anaconda team and developers responsible for the components on which it relies. Jesse Keating pointed out that such changes sometimes result from the Red Hat Enterprise Linux development process, with Red Hat staff being requested to make changes in Fedora for the ultimate benefit of that product. The group unanimously felt that there should be a process for such changes which ensures that they do not negatively affect the Fedora development process, and that Red Hat Enterprise Linux engineers should be required to be considerate of Fedora deadlines and processes when making changes to Fedora. Jesse said he should be able to raise this issue with the appropriate Red Hat management staff. Seth Vidal asked the group whether it would be acceptable to submit a new version of yum which includes history support to Rawhide prior to the release of Fedora 12 Beta. After some discussion, the group agreed that it would be an acceptable risk to make this change, as Seth had already performed some good testing on it and had a good plan for backing out the change if it became necessary. The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[4] was held on 2009-09-22. The full log is available[5]. Edward Kirk noted there had been no real movement on the triage day improvement topic, but he was hoping to pull something together soon. Edward Kirk was also looking for a way to improve the tracking of action items from previous meetings, some of which he felt had fallen through the cracks in the past. After some discussion, John5342 suggested using the team's trac instance[6] for this purpose, and the group agreed this was a good idea. Edward Kirk volunteered to transfer any outstanding action items from previous meetings to Trac. No-one had heard from Brennan Ashton regarding the triage metrics project in the week before the meeting. Richard June gave an update on the kernel triage project. He was still finding that the wireless tickets he was checking were all well-filed and would not much benefit from triage. He was therefore moving to look at a wider range of kernel bugs to see if this impression held true. He was also planning to get in touch with kernel developers to get some instruction on what kinds of information they would require on particular bugs. The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-09-28 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-09-29 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090921 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-September/msg00525.html 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings 5. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-22/fedora-meeting.2009-09-22-15.13.log.html 6. http://fedorahosted.org/triage/ --- Fedora 12 Beta Test compose --- Liam Li announced[1] the Fedora 12 Beta test compose, a test build to check for major showstopper bugs that would appear only in the traditional installer physical media builds. Earlier, he had sent a mail detailing the types of testing[2] that would be useful, and the results matrix page[3] for reporting results. Several people reported failures with the test compose images, and Liam later announced an updated test compose[4] which fixed the most significant bug affecting the earlier compose. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00560.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00446.html 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_Beta_TC_Install 4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00656.html --- Bug resolution discussion --- Sergey Rudchenko asked[1] whether triagers could ever close a bug as NEXTRELEASE without reference to the maintainer responsible for the bug. Adam Williamson explained[2] that this was rarely the case, as it would require certain knowledge of the maintainers intentions regarding which releases they intended to fix the bug in.Karel Volny asked[3] why some of what Adam had said did not seem to match the policy documented on the Bugzilla page[4]. Adam explained[5] that the canonical reference for Fedora's bug process is in fact on the Wiki[6], and explained some wrinkles around distribution versioning, which he promised to explain on the Wiki page. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00549.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00552.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00563.html 4. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status 5. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-September/msg00565.html 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow -- Artwork -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Design Team[1]. Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork --- Mosaic Polish --- M?ir?n Duffy proposed[1] a new 3D way to produce a polished version of the mosaic that will be used for the Fedora 12 theme "I came up with this today, polishing on the original mosaic [[User:tatica|Mar?a] did with the blur/focus technique we had discussed trying a while back" inquiring if it is a path worth using. It was positively appreciated, with only a reserve from[2] Martin Sourada about the amount of bokeh[3] used: "It looks really great, although while excellent for anaconda banner, I think the amount of lens flare in the wallpaper is a little too much." 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001088.html 2. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001095.html 3. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-September/001098.html - end FWN #195 - Pascal Calarco, Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Sep 28 18:50:03 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:20:03 +0530 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 In-Reply-To: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> References: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> Message-ID: <4AC1055B.7000306@fedoraproject.org> On 09/28/2009 10:06 PM, Pascal Calarco wrote: > > * 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 195 > o 1.1 Announcements > + 1.1.1 New channel on freenode called #fedora-fad > + 1.1.2 All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze > (2009-09-29) > + 1.1.3 GraphicsMagick-1.3.x for F-11 (ABI change) > + 1.1.4 Announcing Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 > + 1.1.5 Updating libchamplain to 0.4.0 > + 1.1.6 Fedora 12 Mass Branching coming soon > + 1.1.7 Upcoming Events I don't think announcements to devel-announce list should be mingled with general announcement. The initial summary should cover only major announcements and devel-announce mails should be in a separate development beat. Rahul From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 19:05:24 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:05:24 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 In-Reply-To: <4AC1055B.7000306@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> <4AC1055B.7000306@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AC108F4.4000002@nd.edu> Great, thanks for the feedback, Rahul! This is indeed useful feedback. Best, - pascal On 28/09/09 02:50 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/28/2009 10:06 PM, Pascal Calarco wrote: >> >> * 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 195 >> o 1.1 Announcements >> + 1.1.1 New channel on freenode called #fedora-fad >> + 1.1.2 All Features Need to be 100% by Beta Freeze >> (2009-09-29) >> + 1.1.3 GraphicsMagick-1.3.x for F-11 (ABI change) >> + 1.1.4 Announcing Fedora 12 Snapshot 3 >> + 1.1.5 Updating libchamplain to 0.4.0 >> + 1.1.6 Fedora 12 Mass Branching coming soon >> + 1.1.7 Upcoming Events > > I don't think announcements to devel-announce list should be mingled > with general announcement. The initial summary should cover only major > announcements and devel-announce mails should be in a separate > development beat. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-news-list mailing list > Fedora-news-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list From awilliam at redhat.com Mon Sep 28 19:26:15 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:26:15 -0700 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 In-Reply-To: <4AC108F4.4000002@nd.edu> References: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> <4AC1055B.7000306@fedoraproject.org> <4AC108F4.4000002@nd.edu> Message-ID: <1254165975.2277.0.camel@adam.local.net> On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 15:05 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > Great, thanks for the feedback, Rahul! This is indeed useful feedback. > > I don't think announcements to devel-announce list should be mingled > > with general announcement. The initial summary should cover only major > > announcements and devel-announce mails should be in a separate > > development beat. Pascal, could you avoid top-posting? It leads to confusing quoting situations like the above :) I agree with Rahul, however we're still suffering from the lack of anyone to write a development beat, I believe, which makes it less practical. I was going to volunteer for this a while back, but realized I just don't have the time :( -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 19:40:42 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:40:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 In-Reply-To: <1254165975.2277.0.camel@adam.local.net> References: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> <4AC1055B.7000306@fedoraproject.org> <4AC108F4.4000002@nd.edu> <1254165975.2277.0.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <4AC1113A.3000304@nd.edu> On 28/09/09 03:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 15:05 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: >> Great, thanks for the feedback, Rahul! This is indeed useful feedback. > >>> I don't think announcements to devel-announce list should be mingled >>> with general announcement. The initial summary should cover only major >>> announcements and devel-announce mails should be in a separate >>> development beat. > > Pascal, could you avoid top-posting? It leads to confusing quoting > situations like the above :) > > I agree with Rahul, however we're still suffering from the lack of > anyone to write a development beat, I believe, which makes it less > practical. I was going to volunteer for this a while back, but realized > I just don't have the time :( Yes, the development beat is really key, and we need to find someone for this. I wonder if we could kick this up to FESCo to see if they could identify/persuade someone to revive? As a side note, I also spoke to David Nalley when I was at Ohio Linux Fest this past weekend about reviving the security advisories beat (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/SecurityAdvisories). David just doesn't have time right now to do this, and is going to try to find someone. David, I thought about this over the weekend, and I think this is a beat I could pick up, if need be. Seems like just a matter of subscribing to the fedora-package-announce mailing list and aggregating the items marked security for the beat for the various releases? - pascal From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 21:00:40 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:00:40 -0400 Subject: RHCE Loopback Message-ID: <20090928210040.GM28169@localhost.localdomain> FWN editors, Could I ask for this announcement to be reinstated in the general announcements on the wiki for Issue 195, and also kept for Issue 196 as well? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue193#RHCE_Conference_in_New_York_City Thanks for your consideration! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 21:31:02 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:31:02 -0400 Subject: RHCE Loopback In-Reply-To: <20090928210040.GM28169@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090928210040.GM28169@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AC12B16.2050502@nd.edu> Sure, no problem, Paul. I'll get this in tonight. - pascal On 28/09/09 05:00 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > FWN editors, > > Could I ask for this announcement to be reinstated in the general > announcements on the wiki for Issue 195, and also kept for Issue 196 > as well? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue193#RHCE_Conference_in_New_York_City > > Thanks for your consideration! > From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Sep 28 22:11:06 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:11:06 -0400 Subject: RHCE Loopback In-Reply-To: <20090928210040.GM28169@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090928210040.GM28169@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AC1347A.6020200@nd.edu> Paul W. Frields wrote: > FWN editors, > > Could I ask for this announcement to be reinstated in the general > announcements on the wiki for Issue 195, and also kept for Issue 196 > as well? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue193#RHCE_Conference_in_New_York_City > > Thanks for your consideration! > Just a quick note that this is done for FWN 195. - pascal From pcalarco at nd.edu Tue Sep 29 13:53:31 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:53:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Insight: FWN experimentation Message-ID: <4AC2115B.8020602@nd.edu> After resolving an issue with Zikula on publictest6 kindly resolved by Simon, I've been putting some of the content into the test instance of Zikula for Fedora Insight, and have a few comments. 1) Stories need to be marked up in HTML to get the same linkback functionality we currently have with the wiki version, so one decision point is whether we do this markup within Zikula or if we have writers externalize this and use an HTML editor of their choice and then paste in the news story in FI, or whether we want to try to integrate a WYSIWYG editor into Zikula. There are pros and cons to both, but I might suggest external editors, for the reason below. 2) The timeout value on Zikula is too short. In trying to enter the news story for FWN 195 announcements, after finishing the news item my session timed out and all my work was lost. It would be easier to edit this locally and then just create the news story when I am done. 3) We need to decision what level to create news items at. If there is a desire to continue FWN as a identifiable entity, there would be value in presenting news stories at the beat[1] level, and marked and tagged as such. People could subscribe to FWN content by subscribing to anything tagged as FWN, and using the categories, people could do the same as well [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats 4) I was not able to create child categories from the FWN category, which would be useful if people want to subscribe at the beat level, say if they only care about Marketing, for example. How do I do this? 5) It is possible to retain the editorial workflow within FI, since content creators can submit their news items for review before they are published. This isn't the default right now though, so I might suggest having Zikula set up so that it doesn't publish the item right away, at least from an FWN perspective. Okay, that's enough to get discussion started. Comments most welcome! I plan to attend FUDCon Toronto in December and hopefully we can spend some quality time hacking on this on the Sunday and Monday. - pascal Fedora Ambassador, Indiana USA Fedora Weekly News editorial team From gilboad at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 16:20:55 2009 From: gilboad at gmail.com (Gilboa Davara) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:20:55 +0200 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 In-Reply-To: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> References: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> Message-ID: <1254241255.10863.4.camel@gilboa-work-dev.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:36 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson > > 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue194 > 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join > > -- Announcements -- Small fix, the FWN URL should be: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue195 - Gilboa From pcalarco at nd.edu Tue Sep 29 16:33:28 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:33:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 Message-ID: <7936B5FE0FA08649B9E2969E1CF56714011B05F05B@ICE-MBX-4.ice.nd.edu> Many thanks. This was caught and corrected (on the wiki) shortly after the issue went out. Best regards, - pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: fedora-news-list-bounces at redhat.com To: fedora-news-list at redhat.com Cc: fedora-announce-list at redhat.com Sent: Tue Sep 29 12:20:55 2009 Subject: Re: Fedora Weekly News 195 On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:36 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Adam Williamson > > 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue194 > 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join > > -- Announcements -- Small fix, the FWN URL should be: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue195 - Gilboa _______________________________________________ Fedora-news-list mailing list Fedora-news-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-news-list From david.nalley at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 29 16:48:59 2009 From: david.nalley at fedoraproject.org (David Nalley) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:48:59 -0400 Subject: Fedora Weekly News 195 In-Reply-To: <4AC1113A.3000304@nd.edu> References: <4AC0E622.6050601@nd.edu> <4AC1055B.7000306@fedoraproject.org> <4AC108F4.4000002@nd.edu> <1254165975.2277.0.camel@adam.local.net> <4AC1113A.3000304@nd.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Pascal Calarco wrote: > On 28/09/09 03:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 15:05 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: >>> >>> Great, thanks for the feedback, Rahul! ?This is indeed useful feedback. >> >>>> I don't think announcements to devel-announce list should be mingled >>>> with general announcement. The initial summary should cover only major >>>> announcements and devel-announce mails should be in a separate >>>> development beat. >> >> Pascal, could you avoid top-posting? It leads to confusing quoting >> situations like the above :) >> >> I agree with Rahul, however we're still suffering from the lack of >> anyone to write a development beat, I believe, which makes it less >> practical. I was going to volunteer for this a while back, but realized >> I just don't have the time :( > > Yes, the development beat is really key, and we need to find someone for > this. ?I wonder if we could kick this up to FESCo to see if they could > identify/persuade someone to revive? > > As a side note, I also spoke to David Nalley when I was at Ohio Linux Fest > this past weekend about reviving the security advisories beat > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/SecurityAdvisories). ?David just > doesn't have time right now to do this, and is going to try to find someone. > > David, I thought about this over the weekend, and I think this is a beat I > could pick up, if need be. ?Seems like just a matter of subscribing to the > fedora-package-announce mailing list and aggregating the items marked > security for the beat for the various releases? > > ?- pascal It's better not to subscribe to that list - it's a ton of traffic. I use(d) the archives sorted by date to generate the list. It takes me somewhere between 5 and 45 minutes depending on how many updates, security updates, etc. If you want it, feel free to take it, otherwise, I'll try and find someone in the coming weeks. From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Sep 30 02:10:51 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:10:51 -0400 Subject: FWN on Fedora Insight: roll up meeting Message-ID: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> News Team (and Mel) -- I attended the marketing team meeting today, and we discussed Fedora Insight, and FWN on FI[1]. I have some updates, and a request, for you. The Docs team is currently working on getting a WYSIWYG editor packaged with Zikula for Fedora Insight, and this should be in place within the next few dates, if all goes well. Both Dale and I have been experimenting with FWN on Fedora Insight over the last few weeks, and have identified a couple needs to help make workflow as easy as possible for adding, editing and approving content on Fedora Insight: 1) Need for an HTML-aware WYSIWYG editor within Fedora Insight; wiki markup won't work on Fedora Insight, and so we need to add references in news articles as HTML for example. Dale has also noted[2] that it would be really useful to be able to easily reference mediawiki objects like User, Package, etc. We'll have to see how we can tailor the WYSIWYG editor with shortcuts to these, if at all. 2) Need to create subcategories under FWN; I have gone in and created news categories for each beat corresponding to the active beats we currently have. 3) Extended timeout value for Zikula so beat writers aren't logged off while they are entering news items; Now, Fedora Insight is going to launch on October 14th, which is a Wednesday, and we hope to have the first FWN issue available on Fedora Insight the following Monday, on October 19. To be ready for this, we need to have all beat writers take some time to get into the test Zikula site and familiarize ourselves with it. Please read over the Fedora Insight pages[3] and then establish a FAS account on the test system[4] and ask to be added to the CMS_admin group in the test FAS instance[5] Okay, next, I'd like to have a Fedora News IRC meeting, sometime next week or the first part of the following week, prior to October 14th. I've set a Doodle poll up so we can register when we would be available to meet on IRC. When you have a chance, please look at your schedule and respond: http://www.doodle.com/hxcyxir4uuubc73k Okay, that's enough to get us started. Questions or comments? Thanks all! - pascal [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00173.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-September/msg00138.html [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Check_it_out.21 [5] https://publictest3.fedoraproject.org/accounts From awilliam at redhat.com Wed Sep 30 15:24:47 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:24:47 -0700 Subject: FWN on Fedora Insight: roll up meeting In-Reply-To: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> References: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> Message-ID: <1254324287.2512.10.camel@adam.local.net> On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 22:10 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > 1) Need for an HTML-aware WYSIWYG editor within Fedora Insight; wiki > markup won't work on Fedora Insight, and so we need to add references in > news articles as HTML for example. Dale has also > noted[2] that it would be really useful to be able to easily reference > mediawiki objects like User, Package, etc. We'll have to see how we can > tailor the WYSIWYG editor with shortcuts to these, if at all. How is this going to work for the plain text version of the newsletter? If you write a text using in-line hyperlinks it's generally very hard to automatically generate a usable plain text version in all cases. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 15:26:44 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:26:44 -0400 Subject: FWN on Fedora Insight: roll up meeting In-Reply-To: <1254324287.2512.10.camel@adam.local.net> References: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> <1254324287.2512.10.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <20090930152644.GC21602@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 08:24:47AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 22:10 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > > > 1) Need for an HTML-aware WYSIWYG editor within Fedora Insight; wiki > > markup won't work on Fedora Insight, and so we need to add references in > > news articles as HTML for example. Dale has also > > noted[2] that it would be really useful to be able to easily reference > > mediawiki objects like User, Package, etc. We'll have to see how we can > > tailor the WYSIWYG editor with shortcuts to these, if at all. > > How is this going to work for the plain text version of the newsletter? > If you write a text using in-line hyperlinks it's generally very hard to > automatically generate a usable plain text version in all cases. Couldn't you just process that with links or w3m? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From awilliam at redhat.com Wed Sep 30 15:57:39 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:57:39 -0700 Subject: FWN on Fedora Insight: roll up meeting In-Reply-To: <20090930152644.GC21602@localhost.localdomain> References: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> <1254324287.2512.10.camel@adam.local.net> <20090930152644.GC21602@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1254326259.2512.12.camel@adam.local.net> On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 11:26 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 08:24:47AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 22:10 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > > > > > 1) Need for an HTML-aware WYSIWYG editor within Fedora Insight; wiki > > > markup won't work on Fedora Insight, and so we need to add references in > > > news articles as HTML for example. Dale has also > > > noted[2] that it would be really useful to be able to easily reference > > > mediawiki objects like User, Package, etc. We'll have to see how we can > > > tailor the WYSIWYG editor with shortcuts to these, if at all. > > > > How is this going to work for the plain text version of the newsletter? > > If you write a text using in-line hyperlinks it's generally very hard to > > automatically generate a usable plain text version in all cases. > > Couldn't you just process that with links or w3m? The problem's in the style. At present, as we know the links will be presented as references after the main text body in both the HTML and text-only versions, we write the text to reflect this. The style you would use when writing text with an in-line link is, in some cases, different. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Sep 30 19:35:23 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:35:23 -0400 Subject: FWN on Fedora Insight: roll up meeting In-Reply-To: <1254326259.2512.12.camel@adam.local.net> References: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> <1254324287.2512.10.camel@adam.local.net> <20090930152644.GC21602@localhost.localdomain> <1254326259.2512.12.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <4AC3B2FB.4040208@nd.edu> On 30/09/09 11:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 11:26 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 08:24:47AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 22:10 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: >>> >>>> 1) Need for an HTML-aware WYSIWYG editor within Fedora Insight; wiki >>>> markup won't work on Fedora Insight, and so we need to add references in >>>> news articles as HTML for example. Dale has also >>>> noted[2] that it would be really useful to be able to easily reference >>>> mediawiki objects like User, Package, etc. We'll have to see how we can >>>> tailor the WYSIWYG editor with shortcuts to these, if at all. >>> >>> How is this going to work for the plain text version of the newsletter? >>> If you write a text using in-line hyperlinks it's generally very hard to >>> automatically generate a usable plain text version in all cases. >> >> Couldn't you just process that with links or w3m? > > The problem's in the style. At present, as we know the links will be > presented as references after the main text body in both the HTML and > text-only versions, we write the text to reflect this. The style you > would use when writing text with an in-line link is, in some cases, > different. Could we perhaps take the RSS output and post-process this to derive a text version using XSLT? - pascal From awilliam at redhat.com Wed Sep 30 19:52:51 2009 From: awilliam at redhat.com (Adam Williamson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:52:51 -0700 Subject: FWN on Fedora Insight: roll up meeting In-Reply-To: <4AC3B2FB.4040208@nd.edu> References: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> <1254324287.2512.10.camel@adam.local.net> <20090930152644.GC21602@localhost.localdomain> <1254326259.2512.12.camel@adam.local.net> <4AC3B2FB.4040208@nd.edu> Message-ID: <1254340371.2512.35.camel@adam.local.net> On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 15:35 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > > The problem's in the style. At present, as we know the links will be > > presented as references after the main text body in both the HTML and > > text-only versions, we write the text to reflect this. The style you > > would use when writing text with an in-line link is, in some cases, > > different. > > Could we perhaps take the RSS output and post-process this to derive a > text version using XSLT? again, the issue's not the technical question of how do you turn it into a text document, there are ways to do that. I may actually have been misunderstanding a bit here. is the issue just to convert the 'References' block in an FWN formatted just as it now into HTML links for publication within Insight? if that's the thing, I don't have any problems. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net From pcalarco at nd.edu Wed Sep 30 20:16:16 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:16:16 -0400 Subject: FWN on Fedora Insight: roll up meeting In-Reply-To: <1254340371.2512.35.camel@adam.local.net> References: <4AC2BE2B.4030309@nd.edu> <1254324287.2512.10.camel@adam.local.net> <20090930152644.GC21602@localhost.localdomain> <1254326259.2512.12.camel@adam.local.net> <4AC3B2FB.4040208@nd.edu> <1254340371.2512.35.camel@adam.local.net> Message-ID: <4AC3BC90.2020106@nd.edu> On 30/09/09 03:52 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 15:35 -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: > >>> The problem's in the style. At present, as we know the links will be >>> presented as references after the main text body in both the HTML and >>> text-only versions, we write the text to reflect this. The style you >>> would use when writing text with an in-line link is, in some cases, >>> different. >> >> Could we perhaps take the RSS output and post-process this to derive a >> text version using XSLT? > > again, the issue's not the technical question of how do you turn it into > a text document, there are ways to do that. > > I may actually have been misunderstanding a bit here. is the issue just > to convert the 'References' block in an FWN formatted just as it now > into HTML links for publication within Insight? if that's the thing, I > don't have any problems. Beat writers are going to write up their beats differently in Fedora Insight than they do now on the wiki. This will take a bit of getting used to as any change does, but once the editor is in place, it should be roughly equivalent in the amount of work, if I have to guesstimate from this vantage point. The larger question, I suppose is whether we should try to maintain FWN on the wiki as well as FWN within Fedora Insight, at least during the Oct.14- FUDCon Toronto (Dec 7-9). I think if FI is successful, we can completely migrate from the wiki to zikula as the delivery mechanism, which means we can free ourselves of wiki markup and think of these purely as HTML-enhanced text. - pascal