From smparrish at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 00:20:17 2009 From: smparrish at gmail.com (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:20:17 -0400 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing Message-ID: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> I have taken over creating builds for the XO1 from Daniel, and have created a new build of F11 for the XO1. This build "OS3" includes the pretty boot animations, and also replaces olpcsound with csound. I would apprectiate testing and feedback. I will have another build out early next week as well. Builds can be downloaded from http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ The usual cautions apply: this is development code, there will be bugs. Installation instructions: use copy-nand to install os3.img with os3.crc. Steven ===================================================== Steven M. Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 00:23:20 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:23:20 -0600 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <20090731231102.GB7851@us.netrek.org> References: <46a038f90907310849v1e13cc69nc693b0418ec30d5b@mail.gmail.com> <507761.34359.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <46a038f90907311157r356b25fr2c642d615a43f781@mail.gmail.com> <20090731231102.GB7851@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <46a038f90907311723n2c4a4f67p78fb1a878397790d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM, James Cameron wrote: > Martin wrote: >> Can you dump the contents of 'data' for us? If the server seems to >> claim your XO is stolen, part of the question is why? > > It seems the other poster didn't answer this, so here's what I get. > > Server said stolen: ['oatc-resp', 1, {'nonce': > 'e2e89084ce657bb521f671ef9772670b', 'stolen': > 'dbd1f60dfa73f5ca775c9a2dd0f11a63db76d0aa499a52bf5188257552305473', > 'time': '20090731T230912Z'}] This is _so damn weird_. The server at OLPC claims your XO is stolen. CC'in Reuben as I will need access to that server to see WTH is going on there. Look James, it's ok, you can tell us now; where _did_ you get that XO from? BTW, I can't check of the hash 'checks out' with what Bitfrost expects, which would be nice to know. Can you test that for me? m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From quozl at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 00:46:17 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:46:17 +1000 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <46a038f90907311723n2c4a4f67p78fb1a878397790d@mail.gmail.com> References: <46a038f90907310849v1e13cc69nc693b0418ec30d5b@mail.gmail.com> <507761.34359.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <46a038f90907311157r356b25fr2c642d615a43f781@mail.gmail.com> <20090731231102.GB7851@us.netrek.org> <46a038f90907311723n2c4a4f67p78fb1a878397790d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090801004617.GI7851@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 06:23:20PM -0600, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM, James Cameron wrote: > > It seems the other poster didn't answer this, so here's what I get. > > > > Server said stolen: ['oatc-resp', 1, {'nonce': > > 'e2e89084ce657bb521f671ef9772670b', 'stolen': > > 'dbd1f60dfa73f5ca775c9a2dd0f11a63db76d0aa499a52bf5188257552305473', > > 'time': '20090731T230912Z'}] > > This is _so damn weird_. The server at OLPC claims your XO is stolen. > CC'in Reuben as I will need access to that server to see WTH is going > on there. > > Look James, it's ok, you can tell us now; where _did_ you get that XO from? Most recent unit is QUOZL E, which arrived last week from Adam Holt and John Wadlington at OLPC. Reproduced now on three units, all of which were issued under the contributors programme. Serial numbers and my labels are CSN75001153 QUOZL E C2 CSN74800DFD QUOZL A C2 CSN75000153 QUOZL 9 C2 olpc-update-query has not been successful on any of my units with this build, and all have developer keys and /ofw mounted. The previous version of olpc-update-query in build 802 does not generate this condition. > BTW, I can't check of the hash 'checks out' with what Bitfrost > expects, which would be nice to know. Can you test that for me? No idea, sorry. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 00:19:16 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:19:16 -0600 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <46a038f90907311719n565b360asbda35bc60a11b5b5@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM, James Cameron wrote: > On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 12:00:19AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: >> 2009/7/31 James Cameron : >> > Where can I find the src.rpm and the upstream source? >> >> It's a standard Fedora package. > > Bugger. ?I always get that answer, and it never satisfies. ?I'm stalled, > unable to find the src.rpm and the upstream source, I ask, and someone > says "it's a Fedora package", as if to say "you ought to know and I'm > not going to tell you what you need to know to proceed." ?;-) As all of my work (and all of OLPC's work) it's published in our git repo. And it's straight from the master branch: http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-update/ >> Your diff is correct but I see a 2nd bug too: the return value of >> check_stolen_hash is never checked. Good catch. > That fixed it. ?Running olpc-update-query manually no longer reports the > machine as stolen. But! The server response _does_ seem to say 'stolen'. Am I missing anything? [I may well be, I am in the middle of a training week where I am giving a "how to setup and run an XS/XO deployment", been talking all day about configuration and nandblasting, and now I am away from my dev/test environment. :-/ ] cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 00:55:58 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:55:58 -0600 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <20090801004617.GI7851@us.netrek.org> References: <46a038f90907310849v1e13cc69nc693b0418ec30d5b@mail.gmail.com> <507761.34359.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <46a038f90907311157r356b25fr2c642d615a43f781@mail.gmail.com> <20090731231102.GB7851@us.netrek.org> <46a038f90907311723n2c4a4f67p78fb1a878397790d@mail.gmail.com> <20090801004617.GI7851@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <46a038f90907311755i47b50a11y393b848e19e4f1f3@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:46 PM, James Cameron wrote: >> Look James, it's ok, you can tell us now; where _did_ you get that XO from? > > Most recent unit is QUOZL E, which arrived last week from Adam Holt and > John Wadlington at OLPC. ?Reproduced now on three units, all of which > were issued under the contributors programme. ?Serial numbers and my > labels are > > CSN75001153 QUOZL E C2 > CSN74800DFD QUOZL A C2 > CSN75000153 QUOZL 9 C2 I was joking but excellent that you've given us the SNs so I can poke at the database on antitheft.laptop.org as soon as Reuben gets me access there. > olpc-update-query has not been successful on any of my units with this > build, and all have developer keys and /ofw mounted. Well, it _is_ successful in the sense that the server states the XO is stolen, and it removes any lease the XO may have, and then shuts down. > The previous version of olpc-update-query in build 802 does not generate > this condition. Correct. The old build was happy to ignore message saying "you're stolen". Big chunks of the antitheft sw were not in place. Now that they are, it'd arguably be a sane thing to skip certain actions if the machine is devkey'd. >> BTW, I can't check of the hash 'checks out' with what Bitfrost >> expects, which would be nice to know. Can you test that for me? > > No idea, sorry. No prob. Once I have access to antitheft.l.o I will try that out myself. cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From dsd at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 04:40:35 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:25:35 +0545 Subject: Image created with XO-1 scripts doesn't boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <818423da0907312140p754c9235hba792186f2f21032@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/1 Juliano Bittencourt : > ? ? I copied it to my XO-1, but it didn't booted. The machines freezes after > ?ofw loads the ramdisk. No Linux kernel message at all. Probably https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-June/msg00018.html Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 04:47:54 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:32:54 +0545 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <46a038f90907311719n565b360asbda35bc60a11b5b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> <46a038f90907311719n565b360asbda35bc60a11b5b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0907312147w5c4b79aei4536a87832578698@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/1 Martin Langhoff : > But! The server response _does_ seem to say 'stolen'. > > Am I missing anything? Yes. Read http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Theft_deterrence_protocol carefully. The wording is not blindingly clear but it does explain. It advises that a server *always* sends a 'stolen' tag in the message, so that a man-in-the-middle cannot simply filter out messages including "stolen" This is also why a hash is used, in order to make the messages always the same length and the contents non-obvious. Of the two possible values of stolen: sha256(:) means NOT stolen sha256(::STOLEN) means stolen Judging from James's feedback (i.e. the patch that he tested) the server is only sending the "not stolen" tag. I would imagine this is true for everyone seeing this issue. Daniel From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 04:55:38 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:55:38 -0600 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <818423da0907312147w5c4b79aei4536a87832578698@mail.gmail.com> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> <46a038f90907311719n565b360asbda35bc60a11b5b5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0907312147w5c4b79aei4536a87832578698@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90907312155p4e8c801cl423f9c8ca9fc61e0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Read http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Theft_deterrence_protocol carefully. > The wording is not blindingly clear but it does explain. You are right. The wording is clear actually, but it's a few paragraphs down. I see what's happening. > Judging from James's feedback (i.e. the patch that he tested) the > server is only sending the "not stolen" tag. I would imagine this is > true for everyone seeing this issue. And the missing test for the result of the hash check is what is killing us. Ah, grumble... m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From mikus at bga.com Sat Aug 1 05:05:50 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:05:50 -0400 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing Message-ID: <4A73CD2E.3050403@bga.com> Steven wrote > I have taken over creating builds for the XO1 from Daniel, > and have created a new build of F11 for the XO1. > OS3 can be downloaded from http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ I've converted two XO-1s from running 'build os2' to running 'build os3'. On os3, have not found any showstoppers - just the usual F11 suspects. Thanks for a good job mikus From dsd at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 06:38:17 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:23:17 +0545 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <818423da0907312338k7f64a01bwc64651fd5670762@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/1 James Cameron : > That fixed it. ?Running olpc-update-query manually no longer reports the > machine as stolen. Thanks! one final request..please test this RPM update before I push it to Fedora olpc-update-2.20-1.fc11.noarch.rpm from http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1571473 cheers Daniel From quozl at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 08:55:18 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:55:18 +1000 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <818423da0907312338k7f64a01bwc64651fd5670762@mail.gmail.com> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907312338k7f64a01bwc64651fd5670762@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090801085518.GA26924@us.netrek.org> On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 12:23:17PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: > olpc-update-2.20-1.fc11.noarch.rpm from > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1571473 Tested, fixes the problem, it no longer halts: [root at localhost ~]# olpc-update-query Error setting OHM inhibit: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.ohm was not provided by any .service files [root at localhost ~]# md5sum /usr/sbin/olpc-update-query 252f69b36898458617ccc3320f39ca9f /usr/sbin/olpc-update-query [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q olpc-update olpc-update-2.20-1.fc11.noarch [root at localhost ~]# Now, just to satisfy my curiosity ... how did you do that ... that is, how did you produce an rpm for download? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 10:16:17 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:16:17 +1000 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <46a038f90907311719n565b360asbda35bc60a11b5b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> <46a038f90907311719n565b360asbda35bc60a11b5b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090801101617.GA30742@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 06:19:16PM -0600, Martin Langhoff wrote: > As all of my work (and all of OLPC's work) it's published in our git > repo. And it's straight from the master branch: > http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-update/ Thanks. I've checked it out and reviewed it. I've a trivial trailing whitespace fix, but I'm not a member of the olpc-update group, so I could not commit directly to the master branch. Please pull from http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/olpc-update.git/ Looking at the changes since C. Scott Ananian last worked on it, there's quite a bit of change, but no obvious sign of test coverage ... so I'll keep an eye out. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 10:18:42 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:18:42 +1000 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090801101842.GD26924@us.netrek.org> Can this build be updated to using olpc-update in order to only fetch the changes via rsync? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 13:15:24 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:15:24 -0600 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <818423da0907312338k7f64a01bwc64651fd5670762@mail.gmail.com> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907312338k7f64a01bwc64651fd5670762@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90908010615y718ac80bh7eacbeea5571c5ba@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/8/1 James Cameron : >> That fixed it. ?Running olpc-update-query manually no longer reports the >> machine as stolen. > > Thanks! one final request..please test this RPM update before I push > it to Fedora Thanks! Patch makes sense. m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 13:32:45 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 06:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <20090801101842.GD26924@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <15735.35700.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/1/09, James Cameron wrote: > From: James Cameron > Subject: Re: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing > To: "Steven M. Parrish" > Cc: "OLPC Devel" , "Fedora List" > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 6:18 AM > Can this build be updated to using > olpc-update in order to only fetch > the changes via rsync? > 1+ I downloaded twice and still can not install (crc/img discrepancies at different points) > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From dsd at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 13:49:33 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:34:33 +0545 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <20090801101842.GD26924@us.netrek.org> References: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> <20090801101842.GD26924@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <818423da0908010649v1de750eal470fd01f59fef22e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/1 James Cameron : > Can this build be updated to using olpc-update in order to only fetch > the changes via rsync? Not yet but the code is written.. see the discussion in the other thread about the versioned layout filesystem, and feel free to jump in with a patch :) Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 13:52:24 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:37:24 +0545 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown In-Reply-To: <20090801085518.GA26924@us.netrek.org> References: <9497.1249017330@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <271706.66003.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0907310141s2f76f325v17c390c1349f542c@mail.gmail.com> <20090731103132.GD4700@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907310429k5ec431acmb6cc245ec590cfeb@mail.gmail.com> <20090731115633.GB15083@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907311115g38a60ffcw508028cc541da75d@mail.gmail.com> <20090731230644.GA7851@us.netrek.org> <818423da0907312338k7f64a01bwc64651fd5670762@mail.gmail.com> <20090801085518.GA26924@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <818423da0908010652j356b4911vb11681564836a90a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/1 James Cameron : > On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 12:23:17PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: >> olpc-update-2.20-1.fc11.noarch.rpm from >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1571473 > > Tested, fixes the problem, it no longer halts: > > [root at localhost ~]# olpc-update-query > Error setting OHM inhibit: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: > The name org.freedesktop.ohm was not provided by any .service files > [root at localhost ~]# md5sum /usr/sbin/olpc-update-query > 252f69b36898458617ccc3320f39ca9f ?/usr/sbin/olpc-update-query > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q olpc-update > olpc-update-2.20-1.fc11.noarch > [root at localhost ~]# > > Now, just to satisfy my curiosity ... how did you do that ... that is, > how did you produce an rpm for download? Thanks for testing. I checked out the olpc-update repository from Fedora cvs, bumped the spec file to point at the new version (including make new-sources) locally, made a SRPM from the modified spec, then created a scratch build using the koji command line client and gave you the URL. Now I can commit the changes, request a "real" koji build, and push it as a F11 update. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UpdatingPackageHowTo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji thanks, Daniel From mikus at bga.com Sat Aug 1 12:54:50 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 08:54:50 -0400 Subject: F11 for the X01- shutdown Message-ID: <4A743B1A.9040209@bga.com> > What version of XO firmware is installed? Q2E41 >> | Exception: OFW is not mounted, cannot read deployment keys > > That's odd. Why isn't /ofw mounted? > > # mount ... > none on /ofw type promfs (rw) > # grep ofw /etc/fstab > none /ofw promfs defaults 0 0 Did not have that in my /etc/fstab. Don't know how that happened -- most likely through me having copied my fstab file over from an earlier build which did not provide that particular entry. With 'build os3' I made sure that the /etc/fstab that came with the build was not truncated - and now /ofw gets mounted (and with '/usr/sbin/olpc-update-query' I see the same results as does James). mikus From pbrobinson at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 18:02:47 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:02:47 +0100 Subject: sugar rawhide livecd image Message-ID: <5256d0b0908011102y24124c5ft7ec48ca8a15d5909@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I've done a Fedora Rawhide based snapshot. Now that the mass rebuild is done for the step up it i686 I'd like to get some testing done so that we can see what impact, if any, we'll see on the XO-1 with its i586+cmov processor so that we can get bugs filed and things fixed as early in the current rawhide rotation to ensure we get a well supported F12 release. I'm going to do a new rawhide based snapshot 1-2 times a week. Let me know of any issues you see on is so we can track them. Cheers, Peter http://dozer.roving-it.com/fedora/livecd-fedora-livecd-sugar-200908011435.iso From mikus at bga.com Sat Aug 1 20:23:54 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:23:54 -0400 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing Message-ID: <4A74A45A.6060801@bga.com> > This build "OS3" includes the pretty boot > animations, and also replaces olpcsound with csound. > I would apprectiate testing and feedback. Disclaimer: perhaps off-topic Usability report : Was running Firefox 3.5 (*not* the Activity). Noticed two things: * The font size (for things like the Menu Bar) was too large, with the result that various dropdowns (and settings windows) ran off the bottom edge of my XO-1 screen -- so I could not click on any buttons located at the bottom. I wonder if this has anything to do with the font size in Journal View also being too large. * The following error was logged several times: Obtaining the module object from Python failed Traceback: can't import cStringIO : /usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynaload/timemodule,so: undefined symbol: PyExc_ValueError mikus p.s. Pretty boot has "awkward interval" before/after rotating dots. For me, sound works with "OS3" on XO-1 (though perhaps not as loud as with other builds). From quozl at laptop.org Sat Aug 1 23:50:54 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:50:54 +1000 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <15735.35700.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20090801101842.GD26924@us.netrek.org> <15735.35700.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 06:32:45AM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > I downloaded twice and still can not install (crc/img discrepancies at > different points) Either the file changed (unlikely), or your download did not complete? Check the sizes and md5sums. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 06:53:05 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 23:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/1/09, James Cameron wrote: > From: James Cameron > Subject: Re: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "Steven M. Parrish" , "OLPC Devel" , "Fedora List" > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:50 PM > On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 06:32:45AM > -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > > I downloaded twice and still can not install (crc/img > discrepancies at > > different points) > > Either the file changed (unlikely), or your download did > not complete? > > Check the sizes and md5sums. Thanks... but I'm currently at the border of a flimsy public network (representing may be the norm for most XOs out there) and my point was that would be much better if you didn't need to download half a Gig to update ~20MB. eg a "vote" for rsync. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > From skierpage at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 07:32:50 2009 From: skierpage at gmail.com (S Page) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:32:50 -0700 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6509bebe0908020032h7335f67an89427af76de33393@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > I have taken over creating builds for the XO1 from Daniel, and have created a > new build of F11 for the XO1. Thanks! I updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 and some other pages to reflect that Mr. Drake's possibility is reality. > Installation instructions: use copy-nand to install os3.img with os3.crc. I see you also created an os3.iso. Might that work with Fedora LiveUSB Creator? (I'm on Kubuntu, I guess I'll try Ubuntu's usb-creator.) Can you see if anything from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO is still relevant and if so copy it over (or let me know). I think that page can then be marked {{dated}} since http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/ isn't getting new builds. Thanks again, -- =S Page From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 12:17:19 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <6509bebe0908020032h7335f67an89427af76de33393@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <350130.84761.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Would be nice if a change log or a diff log was also kept (like the one for joyrides) so a) see if older points/omissions/bugs etc are addressed (no need to check every time...) and b) suggest source on new problems. I hope is not too much trouble to do. --- On Sun, 8/2/09, S Page wrote: > From: S Page > Subject: Re: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing > To: smparrish at gmail.com > Cc: "OLPC Devel" , "Fedora List" > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 3:32 AM > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:20 PM, > Steven M. Parrish > wrote: > > I have taken over creating builds for the XO1 from > Daniel, and have created a > > new build of F11 for the XO1. > > Thanks!? I updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 and some > other pages to reflect that Mr. Drake's possibility is > reality. > > > Installation instructions: use copy-nand to install > os3.img with os3.crc. > > I see you also created an os3.iso.? Might that work > with Fedora > LiveUSB Creator? (I'm on Kubuntu, I guess I'll try > Ubuntu's > usb-creator.) > > Can you see if anything from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO is > still relevant and if so copy it over (or let me > know).? I think that > page can then be marked {{dated}} since > http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/ > isn't getting new builds. > > Thanks again, > -- > =S Page > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From quozl at laptop.org Sun Aug 2 12:23:27 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:23:27 +1000 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090802122327.GD14890@us.netrek.org> On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 11:53:05PM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > Thanks... but I'm currently at the border of a flimsy public network > (representing may be the norm for most XOs out there) and my point was > that would be much better if you didn't need to download half a Gig to > update ~20MB. eg a "vote" for rsync. Okay, but while you haven't got rsync, at least use the tools effectively. Unfortunately, the md5sums are not published, but you can compare the sizes, and use "wget --continue" to resume an interrupted download. I'm also remote. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Sun Aug 2 12:25:21 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:25:21 +1000 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <242851610908020226i7e419567q3e28deaa29f06728@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908020226i7e419567q3e28deaa29f06728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090802122521.GE14890@us.netrek.org> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:26:55AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > What about yum update? Specially as F11 has deltarpm. How can you simply ensure (as a user) that yum update will adopt a specific set of versions that match the build that was done? Isn't it simpler to use either olpc-update or the image file? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 12:49:31 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <20090802122327.GD14890@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <98071.68169.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, James Cameron wrote: > From: James Cameron > Subject: Re: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "Steven M. Parrish" , "Fedora List" > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:23 AM > On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 11:53:05PM > -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > > Thanks... but I'm currently at the border of a flimsy > public network > > (representing may be the norm for most XOs out there) > and my point was > > that would be much better if you didn't need to > download half a Gig to > > update ~20MB. eg a "vote" for rsync. > > Okay, but while you haven't got rsync, at least use the > tools > effectively.? Unfortunately, the md5sums are not > published, but you can > compare the sizes, and use "wget --continue" to resume an > interrupted > download. > > I'm also remote. Thanks again... but you see in both cases the files were _fully retrieved_. Now if there is a way to verify the downloaded part and retrieve the faulty segment (bitorrent style) would be more useful. Maybe a torrent is not a bad idea. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 13:54:24 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <571076.39080.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > I have taken over creating builds for > the XO1 from Daniel, and have created a > new build of F11 for the XO1.? This build "OS3"? > includes the pretty boot > animations, and also replaces olpcsound with csound. > I believe that csound was ysed is os2 too. As of package lists, the differences between os2 and 3 are (to also address my previous request...:): 8c8 < anacron-2.3-76.fc11.i586 --- > anacron-2.3-78.fc11.i586 22c22 < bash-4.0-6.fc11.i586 --- > bash-4.0-7.fc11.i586 24,26c24,26 < bind-libs-9.6.1-3.fc11.i586 < bind-utils-9.6.1-3.fc11.i586 < binutils-2.19.51.0.2-18.fc11.i586 --- > bind-libs-9.6.1-4.P1.fc11.i586 > bind-utils-9.6.1-4.P1.fc11.i586 > binutils-2.19.51.0.14-1.fc11.i586 41,42c41,42 < control-center-2.26.0-6.fc11.i586 < control-center-filesystem-2.26.0-6.fc11.i586 --- > control-center-2.26.0-10.fc11.i586 > control-center-filesystem-2.26.0-10.fc11.i586 54c54 < cups-libs-1.4-0.b2.18.fc11.i586 --- > cups-libs-1.4-0.rc1.10.fc11.i586 75,76c75,76 < device-mapper-1.02.33-1.fc11.i586 < device-mapper-libs-1.02.33-1.fc11.i586 --- > device-mapper-1.02.33-2.fc11.i586 > device-mapper-libs-1.02.33-2.fc11.i586 94c94 < elfutils-libelf-0.141-1.fc11.i586 --- > elfutils-libelf-0.142-1.fc11.i586 127c127 < freetype-2.3.9-3.fc11.i586 --- > freetype-2.3.9-5.fc11.i586 193c193 < gtk-nodoka-engine-0.7.2-4.fc11.i586 --- > gtk-nodoka-engine-0.7.2-5.fc11.i586 225,226c225,226 < kernel-2.6.30_xo1-20090720.1835.1.olpc.16a9546.i586 < kernel-firmware-2.6.30_xo1-20090720.1835.1.olpc.16a9546.i586 --- > kernel-2.6.30_xo1-20090724.1605.1.olpc.d56ad9b.i586 > kernel-firmware-2.6.30_xo1-20090724.1605.1.olpc.d56ad9b.i586 378c378,380 < lvm2-2.02.48-1.fc11.i586 --- > lvm2-2.02.48-2.fc11.i586 > lzma-4.32.7-2.fc11.i586 > lzma-libs-4.32.7-2.fc11.i586 412c414 < nfs-utils-1.2.0-3.fc11.i586 --- > nfs-utils-1.2.0-4.fc11.i586 512,514c514,516 < rpm-4.7.0-2.fc11.i586 < rpm-libs-4.7.0-2.fc11.i586 < rpm-python-4.7.0-2.fc11.i586 --- > rpm-4.7.1-1.fc11.i586 > rpm-libs-4.7.1-1.fc11.i586 > rpm-python-4.7.1-1.fc11.i586 530c532 < sos-1.8-13.fc11.noarch --- > sos-1.8-14.fc11.noarch 611c613 < xorg-x11-server-common-1.6.2-2.fc11.i586 --- > xorg-x11-server-common-1.6.2-3.fc11.i586 613c615 < xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.2-2.fc11.i586 --- > xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.2-3.fc11.i586 620d621 < xz-4.999.8-0.7.beta.fc11.i586 622d622 < xz-lzma-compat-4.999.8-0.7.beta.fc11.i586 From NoiseEHC at freemail.hu Sun Aug 2 13:59:19 2009 From: NoiseEHC at freemail.hu (NoiseEHC) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:59:19 +0200 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200907312020.18634.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A759BB7.6030607@freemail.hu> I copied both files to a usb drive then booted with holding the esc key. Then 'copy-nand u:\os3.img' then it copied and I got back the firmware prompt. It did not bark about wrong crc or something like that. Then I switched the XO-1 off then switched on and all I can get is a Boot failed error message. Reimaging with 802 works so it is not a hardware fault. How could others run this stuff? Steven M. Parrish wrote: > I have taken over creating builds for the XO1 from Daniel, and have created a > new build of F11 for the XO1. This build "OS3" includes the pretty boot > animations, and also replaces olpcsound with csound. > > I would apprectiate testing and feedback. I will have another build out early > next week as well. > > Builds can be downloaded from http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > > The usual cautions apply: this is development code, there will be > bugs. Installation instructions: use copy-nand to install os3.img with > os3.crc. > > Steven > > ===================================================== > Steven M. Parrish > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 > http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > From mikus at bga.com Sun Aug 2 13:12:04 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:12:04 -0400 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing Message-ID: <4A7590A4.5020206@bga.com> Tomeu, I have great difficulty in dealing with your responses to the posts I make. What I had written was a reply to Steven Parrish asking "I would appreciate testing and feedback". It was my intent to provide feedback on "system-related" matters that in my opinion deserved being brought to the notice of "system-related" developers. You either trust what I report, or you don't. I am a volunteer, not under any contract to delve into the causes of problems. If the descriptions I give are not enough for you to recognize a problem -- fine -- let my concern lie until someone more important than me encounters it (or let the matter die if noone else sees it). If you thought I was asking for your help to solve a problem for __me__, you were wrong. I mentioned what was my concern in order to "alert" developers that there may be something that might affect the perception of the __product__ (if it were delivered "as is"). > Some if the info here may help? > https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9324 No, it didn't. There are too many references to other tickets and to other facilities such as GTK, for me to understand what's what. In any case, when running the "OS3 build", there is no change in the text size of the Journal View entries, nor in the text size of the "Menu Bar" in firefox, when I change the value in .Xresources > Explaining where that message was logged and including the full logs may help I really do not understand why you are asking this, unless by simply questioning the *way* I said something, you intend to reject *what* I said. I started firefox by typing in its name at the command line in Terminal. The message subsequently appeared on the screen in that Terminal session. [The message also appeared within the output of the 'Error Console' in firefox, when I explicitly looked at that.] "Including full logs may help" -- I am unaware of any "full logs" written by firefox. And the only other logs I can think of - those in /var/log - in my opinion contain nothing about running firefox. mikus From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 16:47:59 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts Message-ID: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I have a simple (?) question. If I was to change the default font size in the Journal list view and the list home view which files should I be looking at. If this is too complicated to explain in a post, where should I start reading? Thx From mikus at bga.com Sun Aug 2 17:20:06 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:20:06 -0400 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing Message-ID: <4A75CAC6.8050606@bga.com> James wrote: >> What about yum update? Specially as F11 has deltarpm. > > How can you simply ensure (as a user) that yum update will adopt a > specific set of versions that match the build that was done? Isn't it > simpler to use either olpc-update or the image file? Let me relate my experience with 8.2.x (and earlier) builds. Every time I tried an "incremental" olpc-update, it found some sort of a mis-matched file -- and switched over to performing some other kind of (I presume a "full") update. The end result was that the (wall clock) time during which my internet connection was "busy" was longer than if I had asked for a "full" olpc-update to begin with. [It may have been the fact that I apply additional packages, etc., after installing each new build - that may have been the cause of olpc-update deciding to abandon its "incremental" mode.] Regarding adopting a specific set of package versions -- I am normally concerned only with getting "up-to-date" (i.e., "latest") packages when I do 'yum upgrade '. But if I *needed* a specific version, I would use 'yumdownloader ' and then use 'rpm' (+ appropriate flags) to explicitly install it. mikus From mikus at bga.com Sun Aug 2 17:49:39 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:49:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora List Message-ID: <4A75D1B3.9070102@bga.com> > I copied both files to a usb drive then booted with holding the esc key. > Then 'copy-nand u:\os3.img' then it copied and I got back the firmware > prompt. It did not bark about wrong crc or something like that. Then I > switched the XO-1 off then switched on and all I can get is a Boot > failed error message. Reimaging with 802 works so it is not a hardware > fault. How could others run this stuff? The problem is simple - the copy-nand erased *all* of nand - including the /security/develop.sig file you had stored there. Then the firmware determined that you were trying to boot an unsecured build onto (what it now thought was) a secure XO - and gave you the error. One thing you might do is to place a /security directory on an usb drive (even the one with the image), then copy your develop.sig to that directory, and have that drive present when you try the boot. Once you are able to get to the firmware 'ok' prompt again, you might enter 'disable-security' (without quotes). That will, independently of the nand contents, mark your XO as not needing security verification by the firmware. The way to minimize the chance of what you experienced is, when the 'copy-nand' finishes, to __not__ switch the XO off, but to rather just enter 'boot' at the firmware prompt. That ought to allow the new build to come up (giving you a chance to again copy your developer key into the XO nand). mikus From mikus at bga.com Sun Aug 2 18:03:58 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:03:58 -0400 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing Message-ID: <4A75D50E.6010606@bga.com> Yioryos posted a list of package differences between os2 and os3. I don't know how "authoritative" this list is -- but if those are *all* the differences, I myself would not have needed to migrate my os2 XO-1s to os3 -- by explicitly having applied the individual package upgrades in that list, I already had my (initially os2) systems at os3 level. [In fact, except for me being too lazy to upgrade the kernel, because of regular upgrading my devxo-1 XO-1s are *also* at the package level listed by Yioryos for os3 !] mikus From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 21:34:30 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <4A75D50E.6010606@bga.com> Message-ID: <578725.84267.qm@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > From: Mikus Grinbergs > Subject: Re: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing > To: "OLPC Devel" > Cc: "Fedora List" > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:03 PM > Yioryos posted a list of package > differences between os2 and os3. > I don't know how "authoritative" this list is It is certainly not "authoritative" and is accurate to the extend that the "packages" lists posted with the respective builds are accurate. I just run a 'diff' on the 2 files :) -- but if > those are *all* the differences, I myself would not have > needed to migrate my os2 XO-1s to os3 -- by explicitly > having applied the individual package upgrades in that list, > I already had my (initially os2) systems at os3 level.? > [In fact, except for me being too lazy to upgrade the > kernel, because of regular upgrading my devxo-1 XO-1s are > *also* at the package level listed by Yioryos for os3 !] > > mikus > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 22:07:13 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts Message-ID: <1758.66862.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > From: Tomeu Vizoso > Subject: Re: F11 for XO1 - Fonts > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 1:01 PM > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 18:47, Yioryos > Asprobounitis > wrote: > > > > I have a simple (?) question. If I was to change the > default font size in the Journal list view and the list home > view which files should I be looking at. > > If this is too complicated to explain in a post, where > should I start reading? > > Create a file named /home/olpc/.Xresources that contains > this line: > > Xft.dpi=150 No. This didn't change a thing. Does it need a #!/bin/bash #!/bin/sh (tried them both too) or something like it on the top? > > You can read more here: https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9324 Well, I did but is not much help other than we have to take into account the real XO screen resolution and adapt to that. So the question is how can you define which font and size an activity will use but more specifically the Journal and the list home view? Or is it one size fits all when it comes to fonts? > > HTHs, > :( > Tomeu > > > Thx > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > > > From quozl at laptop.org Sun Aug 2 23:06:41 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:06:41 +1000 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <242851610908020539v351ab46fr45b030450bde408d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908020226i7e419567q3e28deaa29f06728@mail.gmail.com> <20090802122521.GE14890@us.netrek.org> <242851610908020539v351ab46fr45b030450bde408d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090802230641.GA7664@us.netrek.org> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:39:19PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 14:25, James Cameron wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:26:55AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> What about yum update? Specially as F11 has deltarpm. > > > > How can you simply ensure (as a user) that yum update will adopt a > > specific set of versions that match the build that was done? ?Isn't it > > simpler to use either olpc-update or the image file? > > Sure, it was suggested as an alternative to downloading the image file > while olpc-update isn't working. Now you've confused me as well. So I shall respond by writing more. I've not yet tried os3.img because it is a substantial proportion of my download limit for the month. I'd like to know how to obtain it based on what I already have. As we have seen from the RPM package version comparison, there is very little change. I'd like to obtain that very little change and apply it. The method that was used last year and the year before was olpc-update. This worked by granting rsync access to an unpacked filesystem for each image version. Once the rsync was complete, the filesystem one had matched the filesystem of the particular image version. It may well take more wall-clock time, but it always took far less data. It may well keep your internet connection active, but always for less data. A new method being proposed is a yum update. This was not used previously because it did not produce an identical filesystem to a particular image version, and it could not be anchored to a particular image version, it could only be updated to the latest version of all packages. Therefore it was not a test of an image, but rather a test of the latest version of all packages. So, how can you simply ensure that yum update will adopt a specific set of versions that match the build that was done? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 23:21:44 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:21:44 -0600 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <20090802230641.GA7664@us.netrek.org> References: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908020226i7e419567q3e28deaa29f06728@mail.gmail.com> <20090802122521.GE14890@us.netrek.org> <242851610908020539v351ab46fr45b030450bde408d@mail.gmail.com> <20090802230641.GA7664@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <46a038f90908021621h32422678tfb4376e7453a499d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:06 PM, James Cameron wrote: > I've not yet tried os3.img because it is a substantial proportion of my > download limit for the month. ?I'd like to know how to obtain it based > on what I already have. ?As we have seen from the RPM package version > comparison, there is very little change. ?I'd like to obtain that very > little change and apply it. We had a discussion on this topic couple of months ago. Something like jigdo could help, but it adds quite a bit extra work. Cost-benefit, etc. > The method that was used last year and the year before was olpc-update. Maybe it is possible to offer olpc-update. IIRC, just placing the builds (the tar.gz and .contents file, which can be generated) in the "right spot" in dev.laptop.org means that they will be served via update.laptop.org cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From quozl at laptop.org Sun Aug 2 23:21:33 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:21:33 +1000 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <4A75CAC6.8050606@bga.com> References: <4A75CAC6.8050606@bga.com> Message-ID: <20090802232133.GB7664@us.netrek.org> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:20:06PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Let me relate my experience with 8.2.x (and earlier) builds. Every > time I tried an "incremental" olpc-update, it found some sort of a > mis-matched file -- and switched over to performing some other kind > of (I presume a "full") update. Yes, but the "full" update used rsync over the whole filesystem. > The end result was that the (wall > clock) time during which my internet connection was "busy" was > longer than if I had asked for a "full" olpc-update to begin with. This would vary according to the speed of your internet connection. I'm amazed that you could download an entire 450Mb image file within that time, but then I'm frequently amazed by what is possible in a developed city. > [It may have been the fact that I apply additional packages, etc., > after installing each new build - that may have been the cause of > olpc-update deciding to abandon its "incremental" mode.] No, certainly not. The files corresponding to the additional packages would have been deleted by rsync, and this is quite fast. As I understand it from history, the first mode was more suited to slow update in the background prior to the cutover. Recall that a design goal of olpc-update is that the update can happen progressively while the child has access, and eventually complete, effective on the next reboot. /versions trees get repointed. (yum update by comparison affects the running system, and cannot practically be reversed or partly done). > Regarding adopting a specific set of package versions -- I am > normally concerned only with getting "up-to-date" (i.e., "latest") > packages when I do 'yum upgrade '. But if I *needed* > a specific version, I would use 'yumdownloader ' > and then use 'rpm' (+ appropriate flags) to explicitly install it. Yes, your needs are unlike the childrens' needs. ;-) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From mikus at bga.com Mon Aug 3 01:13:49 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:13:49 -0400 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing Message-ID: <4A7639CD.9000405@bga.com> James wrote: >> Regarding adopting a specific set of package versions -- I am >> normally concerned only with getting "up-to-date" (i.e., "latest") >> packages when I do 'yum upgrade '. But if I *needed* >> a specific version, I would use 'yumdownloader ' >> and then use 'rpm' (+ appropriate flags) to explicitly install it. > > Yes, your needs are unlike the childrens' needs. ;-) Whoa !! I can understand the usefulness to a _school administrator_ for all the systems he is responsible for to have identical software. [And a developer may want to perform tests on a system that has *exactly* the same software as another person's.] But why ought __children__ all have identical versions (e.g., bash-4.0-7) on their systems ? Whatever happened to the idea that children ought to be able to re-program their systems (or to add software from friends, etc.) -- wouldn't that make their XO *different* from that of other children, even if it started out with the same image ? > A new method being proposed is a yum update. This was not used > previously because it did not produce an identical filesystem to a > particular image version, and it could not be anchored to a particular > image version, it could only be updated to the latest version of all > packages. Therefore it was not a test of an image, but rather a test of > the latest version of all packages. > > So, how can you simply ensure that yum update will adopt a specific set > of versions that match the build that was done? As I said in what you quoted: don't rely completely on an automated 'yum upgrade'. Rather, use a manual 'yumdownloader' followed by 'rpm' for where you want a specific version of a package. [Let me suggest that persons subject to download limits are not the best candidates to call upon to perform 'test of an image'. I believe the original idea was that the school would pay for fetching the image -- then the children would perform updating from local resources, without themselves incurring internet download costs.] mikus From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 3 02:53:34 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:38:34 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908021953m7f6cfba3m971ef10f86b72fe6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/2 Yioryos Asprobounitis : > > I have a simple (?) question. If I was to change the default font size in the Journal list view and the list home view which files should I be looking at. > If this is too complicated to explain in a post, where should I start reading? The problem is that the part of the Journal that you are looking at does not use the font specified in the sugar configuration. I doubt this is intentional, so you should file a bug report on the sugarlabs trac. Daniel From quozl at laptop.org Mon Aug 3 08:39:24 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:39:24 +1000 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <242851610908030106ye0e26e1u61af1fd7828a75ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908020226i7e419567q3e28deaa29f06728@mail.gmail.com> <20090802122521.GE14890@us.netrek.org> <242851610908020539v351ab46fr45b030450bde408d@mail.gmail.com> <20090802230641.GA7664@us.netrek.org> <242851610908030106ye0e26e1u61af1fd7828a75ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090803083924.GH7942@us.netrek.org> On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 10:06:09AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Sorry to have confused you. As you say, yum update is not the best > tool if you want to test a specific image. > > I find it convenient to test the latest sugar bits in soas because I > know which packages need to be updated. Just thought others here that > cannot download the full image may find it useful even if this method > cannot fully replace a full download. Thanks. I agree that in the absence of olpc-update, yum update will have to do. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 3 09:05:21 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:50:21 +0545 Subject: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing In-Reply-To: <20090803083924.GH7942@us.netrek.org> References: <20090801235054.GB10704@us.netrek.org> <705392.57175.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908020226i7e419567q3e28deaa29f06728@mail.gmail.com> <20090802122521.GE14890@us.netrek.org> <242851610908020539v351ab46fr45b030450bde408d@mail.gmail.com> <20090802230641.GA7664@us.netrek.org> <242851610908030106ye0e26e1u61af1fd7828a75ed@mail.gmail.com> <20090803083924.GH7942@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <818423da0908030205w4f272b68n9d007b8fccd2a8dd@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/3 James Cameron : > Thanks. ?I agree that in the absence of olpc-update, yum update will > have to do. It will not necessarily pick up all changes, unfortunately. Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 3 09:24:12 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:09:12 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908021953m7f6cfba3m971ef10f86b72fe6@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908030224u2f79edabg2dc6badbc9eeb2be@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : > You should file a bug if it's like that, but I'm pretty sure that in > 0.84 these labels use the fixed font size of 10. This "logical" 10 is > scaled depending on the value of the Xft.dpi property, so I'm not sure > why you aren't seeing any effect. Size 10 is too big on the XO screen. Similarly it will be too small on large displays. Sugar should let you change this. Given that size 10 is your default font size anyway, it would make sense just to use the sugar default font here, rather than hardcoding it. Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 3 10:17:12 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:02:12 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908021953m7f6cfba3m971ef10f86b72fe6@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030224u2f79edabg2dc6badbc9eeb2be@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : > It's not really hardcoded in the journal, it uses the default Sugar > font that happens to be 10. On the XO the default is changed to 7, so it seems like there's a bug somewhere. Yioryos, perhaps you could file that ticket? Thanks, Daniel From mavrothal at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 10:46:30 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459405.75813.qm@web65510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Daniel Drake wrote: > From: Daniel Drake > Subject: Re: F11 for XO1 - Fonts > To: "Tomeu Vizoso" > Cc: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" , fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 6:17 AM > 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : > > It's not really hardcoded in the journal, it uses the > default Sugar > > font that happens to be 10. > > On the XO the default is changed to 7, so it seems like > there's a bug > somewhere. Yioryos, perhaps you could file that ticket? > > Thanks, > Daniel > I did. But I can see a pattern I was afraid of. OLPC devs will say is a Sugar issue and SugarLabs devs that is an OLPC_specific-build issue... Just someone tell me what the damn relevant files might be and I'll see if I can wrestle with them. From mavrothal at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 15:04:18 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908030516t61ca3f7ew90931591888e36b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <796076.73379.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > From: Tomeu Vizoso > Subject: Re: F11 for XO1 - Fonts > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "Daniel Drake" , fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 8:16 AM > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:46, Yioryos > Asprobounitis > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Daniel Drake > wrote: > > > >> From: Daniel Drake > >> Subject: Re: F11 for XO1 - Fonts > >> To: "Tomeu Vizoso" > >> Cc: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" , > fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > >> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 6:17 AM > >> 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : > >> > It's not really hardcoded in the journal, it > uses the > >> default Sugar > >> > font that happens to be 10. > >> > >> On the XO the default is changed to 7, so it seems > like > >> there's a bug > >> somewhere. Yioryos, perhaps you could file that > ticket? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Daniel > >> > > > > I did. > > But I can see a pattern I was afraid of. > > OLPC devs will say is a Sugar issue and SugarLabs devs > that is an OLPC_specific-build issue... > > Different people working on different software components > means that > some effort is needed to work together. The people?... :-) > > > Just someone tell me what the damn relevant files > might be and I'll see if I can wrestle with them. > > With the information I have, it could be in lots of files. > Will try to > find time to give it a look soon. > > Thanks, Thank you. Ticket number is #1125 > > Tomeu > > > > > > > > From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 3 16:52:40 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:37:40 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908021953m7f6cfba3m971ef10f86b72fe6@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030224u2f79edabg2dc6badbc9eeb2be@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : > On which build I can see that? Any of the recent F11-for-XO, so try Stephen Parrish's os3. Daniel From mavrothal at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 20:40:16 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <330002.17350.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > From: Tomeu Vizoso > Subject: Re: F11 for XO1 - Fonts > To: "Daniel Drake" > Cc: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" , fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:59 PM > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 18:52, Daniel > Drake > wrote: > > 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : > >> On which build I can see that? > > > > Any of the recent F11-for-XO, so try Stephen Parrish's > os3. > > Checked there and both sugar's style.py and the gtkrc > display 10 as > the font size. Is this size of 7 set somewhere else? I do not know that but I do know that setting the font size to 7 in style.py fixes the fonts in journal, home list view and Pippy activity! Now, how this can be done in a hardware independent way within sugar?... is for the big boys :-) Thanks PS: Any chance for the Pippy.activity import module function to work (ticket 1126)? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > Daniel > > > From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 03:25:48 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:10:48 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908021953m7f6cfba3m971ef10f86b72fe6@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030224u2f79edabg2dc6badbc9eeb2be@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 18:52, Daniel Drake wrote: >> 2009/8/3 Tomeu Vizoso : >>> On which build I can see that? >> >> Any of the recent F11-for-XO, so try Stephen Parrish's os3. > > Checked there and both sugar's style.py and the gtkrc display 10 as > the font size. Is this size of 7 set somewhere else? sugar-xo.gtkrc is used to set that font, but modifying style.py is probably what we missed. Is there a nicer way than forking the source code to make this change, though? Daniel From quozl at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 03:56:02 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:56:02 +1000 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908021953m7f6cfba3m971ef10f86b72fe6@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030224u2f79edabg2dc6badbc9eeb2be@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090804035602.GA2369@us.netrek.org> Aren't the calculations also dependent on the screen physical dimensions obtained by the X server? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 05:35:51 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:20:51 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <20090804035602.GA2369@us.netrek.org> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030224u2f79edabg2dc6badbc9eeb2be@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> <20090804035602.GA2369@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <818423da0908032235g120f9c5n18b8875374bbeb3f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/4 James Cameron : > Aren't the calculations also dependent on the screen physical dimensions > obtained by the X server? Which calculations? The calculations for making a size 10 font appear as 10 points is indeed dependant on that -- and on the XO-1 everything is configured correctly in that respect. It is simply that human perception makes size 10 look uncomfortably big on the XO's small display, plus the fact that you are generally seated closer to the display (especially if you're a kid). Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 07:55:23 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:40:23 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908040043j44b31094u184f7fb3ef37fe8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908030130n716bac93w2e25432db4139b80@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030224u2f79edabg2dc6badbc9eeb2be@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040043j44b31094u184f7fb3ef37fe8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908040055n296c484frf9c310f684141473@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso : > We could make it a GConf property if it's really needed, but as you > already know, I think we should have all the UI use a default of 10 > and solely use Xft.dpi to scale it up and down. We don't need to > discuss this now again, though. I would like to discuss it. In my opinion, artificially adjusting DPI is the wrong answer. Is there room for change? Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 08:08:34 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:53:34 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908030241y20969fb7vc03c2276d84a2540@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030317s4340e21aubc0c01f5f7269bf@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040043j44b31094u184f7fb3ef37fe8a@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040055n296c484frf9c310f684141473@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso : > Ok, what do you propose? A method to specify the font size (measured in points). This should be geared towards deployments, so it should be something that can be pre-set in global configuration, or customized through files that are not in conflict with files provided by packages. That way OLPC can provide a configuration which just sets size 7 or whatever. And if there is interest in exposing this to the user, I would say it should be kept as simple as one button that makes the fonts get bigger, and another button that makes them get smaller. Those buttons would not mess with DPI, they would just increment or decrement the font size. I'd be happy to write that into a ticket if you don't hate the idea :) Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 08:48:53 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:33:53 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040043j44b31094u184f7fb3ef37fe8a@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040055n296c484frf9c310f684141473@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso : >> A method to specify the font size (measured in points). > > What font size would be that? That would be up to the deployments. For example, OLPC would choose 7. > I guess we should, for improved accessibility. And would be convenient > if the paddings, line widths, icon sizes, etc also scaled accordingly > (may not be possible with current gtk+). Not yet, but there are ongoing efforts to create an overall "scale factor"-like system that will be nice. > I don't hate it in itself. But I need to know better why using Xft.dpi > is not a good solution (real technical disadvantages) and which > mechanism uses gtk+/gnome so we can reuse their work there. It's going against an established system that ensures that fonts of the same point size are the same physical dimensions when shown on different screens and on paper. To me it also just doesn't make sense... if the fonts are too small, then the logical thing is to use bigger fonts, not to start pretending that you have a screen with different characteristics from the one that you are using. This would also be important to deployments where technical resources are lesser - at least to me, thinking of font size in terms of the size of the font (a familiar concept to MS word users!) is much more logical than thinking about the number of pixels in a square inch on the display on which the fonts will be rendered. (for example, for someone unfamiliar with that line of thinking, it is not obvious whether you should increase or decrease the DPI in order to make the fonts bigger) Freetype visually optimizes the font renderings based on the DPI and sometimes gives odd-looking results when the selected DPI is not that of the actual display. (ever seen the subpixel rendering option result in worse appearance than before? this is usually the cause) It also will confuse any applications that make calculations based on the DPI of the fonts against the millimetre-width of the screen -- although these are not that common. GNOME use this same kind of approach. GNOME ships default font sizes and has an "Appearance" dialog with a fonts tab that lets you increase or decrease the font size. KDE is similar. Daniel From quozl at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 09:05:39 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:05:39 +1000 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <242851610908030506l38b09c53vebacc1d156978cb5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908030952p213b321bwf95e4bb58bedd89c@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040043j44b31094u184f7fb3ef37fe8a@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040055n296c484frf9c310f684141473@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090804090539.GA29963@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 02:33:53PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: > It's going against an established system that ensures that fonts of > the same point size are the same physical dimensions when shown on > different screens and on paper. +1 Other Xft dependent applications run against a Sugar managed display would be affected, such that fonts would no longer match physical properties. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From mikus at bga.com Tue Aug 4 11:56:26 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:56:26 -0400 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts Message-ID: <4A7821EA.1000007@bga.com> Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; just expressing my concerns. On my XO-1s I tend to run "general_purpose" Linux applications in addition to Activities. And sometimes, when run from Terminal or started as a "sugarized" application, their text output is the wrong size. For instance, earlier Opera used really tiny text in its Menu Bar; whereas currently Firefox (not from the .xo bundle) uses too large a text size for its Menu Bar. Although I did not test exhaustively, on XO-1 builds (e.g., Rawhide) which had Gnome as well as Sugar, I was able to change at least some of the "general purpose" Linux application text fonts/sizes by using the Gnome "Appearance" controls. But when only Sugar is provided, I don't know what to change to affect the fonts/sizes used for system- specified elements (Menu Bar) of general_purpose Linux applications. [I see that some of the things Sugar shows me are affected by style.py. Haven't yet experimented with modifying sugar-xx.gtkrc -- when does sugar-72.gtkrc get used, as opposed to sugar-100.gtkrc ?] One thing I notice on my XO-1s is that for the Terminal Activity in F11, the text with Fedora builds is easier to read (more contrasty) than with SoaS builds - for the *same* specification in terminalrc. I'm someone who installs additional fonts on my XO-1 (available for instance in Word) -- it would be useful to *know* what places to change to affect text appearance for *every kind* of XO session. mikus From mavrothal at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 13:43:22 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <452855.46030.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm sorry to intervene... but would it be possible the XO specific requirements (eg font size 7, removal of Xft.dpi etc) to be taken care by the iso to nand script? So Sugarlabs builds as wide as possible and hardware specific things are managed by the installation scripts? or a post install config script? Showing properly in a variety of hardware is not only a matter of font size but also toolbar sizes, images etc I do not know if SL should undertake a sophisticated scaling at this point. my 2c --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > From: Tomeu Vizoso > Subject: Re: F11 for XO1 - Fonts > To: "Daniel Drake" > Cc: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" , fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com, "sugar-devel" > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 7:15 AM > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:48, Daniel > Drake > wrote: > > 2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso : > >>> A method to specify the font size (measured in > points). > >> > >> What font size would be that? > > > > That would be up to the deployments. > > For example, OLPC would choose 7. > > I meant to ask to which UI elements this font size would > apply to. > > >> I guess we should, for improved accessibility. And > would be convenient > >> if the paddings, line widths, icon sizes, etc also > scaled accordingly > >> (may not be possible with current gtk+). > > > > Not yet, but there are ongoing efforts to create an > overall "scale > > factor"-like system that will be nice. > > > >> I don't hate it in itself. But I need to know > better why using Xft.dpi > >> is not a good solution (real technical > disadvantages) and which > >> mechanism uses gtk+/gnome so we can reuse their > work there. > > > > It's going against an established system that ensures > that fonts of > > the same point size are the same physical dimensions > when shown on > > different screens and on paper. > > > > To me it also just doesn't make sense... if the fonts > are too small, > > then the logical thing is to use bigger fonts, not to > start pretending > > that you have a screen with different characteristics > from the one > > that you are using. This would also be important to > deployments where > > technical resources are lesser - at least to me, > thinking of font size > > in terms of the size of the font (a familiar concept > to MS word > > users!) is much more logical than thinking about the > number of pixels > > in a square inch on the display on which the fonts > will be rendered. > > (for example, for someone unfamiliar with that line of > thinking, it is > > not obvious whether you should increase or decrease > the DPI in order > > to make the fonts bigger) > > > > Freetype visually optimizes the font renderings based > on the DPI and > > sometimes gives odd-looking results when the selected > DPI is not that > > of the actual display. (ever seen the subpixel > rendering option result > > in worse appearance than before? this is usually the > cause) > > > > It also will confuse any applications that make > calculations based on > > the DPI of the fonts against the millimetre-width of > the screen -- > > although these are not that common. > > > > GNOME use this same kind of approach. GNOME ships > default font sizes > > and has an "Appearance" dialog with a fonts tab that > lets you increase > > or decrease the font size. KDE is similar. > > That's all ok, but how do you see us moving from using > Xft.dpi (that > today can get us font sizes that look good on several > systems), to > font sizes to achieve the same? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 4 14:55:42 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:40:42 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908030959m11c36715iff8f597fe899916c@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908032025m7476cc9ke4d21ec6402ba526@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040043j44b31094u184f7fb3ef37fe8a@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040055n296c484frf9c310f684141473@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso : > I meant to ask to which UI elements this font size would apply to. All of them, the same way that the currently written "10" value does. > That's all ok, but how do you see us moving from using Xft.dpi (that > today can get us font sizes that look good on several systems), to > font sizes to achieve the same? I don't see how it differs. At the moment you are telling people to falsify a dpi of X in order to get more readable fonts. Now you will just ask them to specify font size Y. Daniel From smparrish at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 19:21:13 2009 From: smparrish at gmail.com (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:21:13 -0400 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released Message-ID: <200908051521.13685.smparrish@gmail.com> I have released a new build of F11 for the XO-1 named OS4 You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ This new build includes the addition of the ImageViewer, Physics and Jukebox Activities, an update to the Write Activity, and the kbdshim and powerd packages. I have also included the md5sum for the .img and .iso Keep in mind this is a full OS image and installing it will result in the loss of all data on your XO-1. The usual cautions apply: this is development code, there will be bugs. Installation instructions: use copy-nand to install os4.img with os4.crc. ===================================================== Steven M. Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar From dsd at laptop.org Thu Aug 6 02:45:44 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:30:44 +0545 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <200908051521.13685.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200908051521.13685.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908051945r56b4039elf0d5ddea2b5584ac@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/6 Steven M. Parrish : > I have released a new build of F11 for the XO-1 named OS4 > > You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > > This new build includes the addition of the ImageViewer, Physics and Jukebox > Activities, an update to the Write Activity, and the kbdshim and powerd > packages. It also fixes the bug where the XO would shutdown when you go online. thanks for your efforts! Daniel From mavrothal at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 07:41:49 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <818423da0908051945r56b4039elf0d5ddea2b5584ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Daniel Drake wrote: > From: Daniel Drake > Subject: Re: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released > To: smparrish at gmail.com > Cc: "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" , "Fedora OLPC List" > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:45 PM > 2009/8/6 Steven M. Parrish : > > I have released a new build of F11 for the XO-1 named > OS4 > > > > You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > > > > This new build includes the addition of the > ImageViewer, Physics and Jukebox > > Activities, an update to the Write Activity, and the > kbdshim and powerd > > packages. > > It also fixes the bug where the XO would shutdown when you > go online. It does not fix the style.py font size for the Journal and home (I guess a proper solution is explored) Olpc-powerd works up to sleeping but fails to blank and shutdown.OK on lid and power button suspend/shutdown though. rtcwake still does not work, so I guess this must be the reason. olpc-powerd also conflicts with the GNOME power management. Gnome options must be set to "do nothing" in order for powerd to work properly. The build is still missing ntp and ntpdate (also wget) Firefox is still too big for the screen but installing the "default zoom" plugin and setting it to 67% improves things a lot The 3 breakers (battery monitor, screen rotation and camera) are still with us. One bug at a time is good though :) Thanks > thanks for your efforts! > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From pgf at laptop.org Thu Aug 6 13:54:09 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:54:09 -0400 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090806_034222_067784_EEB7AADA) References: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090806_034222_067784_EEB7AADA) Message-ID: <26290.1249566849@foxharp.boston.ma.us> yioryos wrote: > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Daniel Drake wrote: > > > From: Daniel Drake > > Subject: Re: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released > > To: smparrish at gmail.com > > Cc: "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" > , "Fedora OLPC List" > > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:45 PM > > 2009/8/6 Steven M. Parrish : > > > I have released a new build of F11 for the XO-1 named OS4 > > > > > > You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > > > ... > It does not fix the style.py font size for the Journal and home (I guess a > proper solution is explored) > Olpc-powerd works up to sleeping but fails to blank and shutdown.OK on lid and > power button suspend/shutdown though. rtcwake still does not work, so I guess > this must be the reason. i looked into this a bit, and confess i'm surprised that it doesn't work. rtcwake worked correctly in earlier 2.6.30 vintage kernels (e.g., the SoaS-on-XO releases) and i believe it works from latest olpc-2.6.30 -- at least, my build from 7/28 works fine on my XO-1. i'll do a new build today to doublecheck. paul > olpc-powerd also conflicts with the GNOME power management. Gnome options must > be set to "do nothing" in order for powerd to work properly. > The build is still missing ntp and ntpdate (also wget) > Firefox is still too big for the screen but installing the "default zoom" > plugin and setting it to 67% improves things a lot > The 3 breakers (battery monitor, screen rotation and camera) are still with us. > One bug at a time is good though :) > Thanks > > > > thanks for your efforts! > > > > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 14:14:25 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:14:25 +0100 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <26290.1249566849@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <26290.1249566849@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <5256d0b0908060714k387ef693pb723000d9d13c9df@mail.gmail.com> > ?> > From: Daniel Drake > ?> > Subject: Re: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released > ?> > To: smparrish at gmail.com > ?> > Cc: "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" > ?> , "Fedora OLPC List" > ?> > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:45 PM > ?> > 2009/8/6 Steven M. Parrish : > ?> > > I have released a new build of F11 for the XO-1 named OS4 > ?> > > > ?> > > You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > ?> > > > ?... > ?> It does not fix the style.py font size for the Journal and home (I guess a > ?> proper solution is explored) > ?> Olpc-powerd works up to sleeping but fails to blank and shutdown.OK on lid and > ?> power button suspend/shutdown though. rtcwake still does not work, so I guess > ?> this must be the reason. > > i looked into this a bit, and confess i'm surprised that it > doesn't work. ?rtcwake worked correctly in earlier 2.6.30 vintage > kernels (e.g., the SoaS-on-XO releases) and i believe it works > from latest olpc-2.6.30 -- at least, my build from 7/28 works fine > on my XO-1. ?i'll do a new build today to doublecheck. Speaking of olpc-powerd. I've been playing with various the various builds that have been around and it works terribly in VM environments, or non XO physical machines. It should check for XO hardware and if it doesn't find any it should just exit. Also it logs massive amounts of stuff to the console which is lost because its not logged to the messages file. It just took 30 odd mins for a VM to boot up because of all the olpc-powerd spew and when I could finally ssh into it there was not a single bit of the spew in either dmesg or /var/log/messages. This needs to be fixed especially because the package is now upstream in Fedora. Mind olpc-powerd isn't the only culprit, just the first one on my list. Peter From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 14:36:03 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:36:03 +0100 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <28353.1249569066@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <26290.1249566849@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <5256d0b0908060714k387ef693pb723000d9d13c9df@mail.gmail.com> <28353.1249569066@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <5256d0b0908060736p6363de42k362416c3834f9751@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > peter wrote: > ?> Speaking of olpc-powerd. I've been playing with various the various > ?> builds that have been around and it works terribly in VM environments, > ?> or non XO physical machines. It should check for XO hardware and if it > ?> doesn't find any it should just exit. Also it logs massive amounts of > > yes, i agree. ?i'll fix that. ?getting it to work properly on the > correct h/w seemed more important at the time than getting it to > not work correctly on the wrong hardware. > > ?> stuff to the console which is lost because its not logged to the > ?> messages file. It just took 30 odd mins for a VM to boot up because of > ?> all the olpc-powerd spew and when I could finally ssh into it there > ?> was not a single bit of the spew in either dmesg or /var/log/messages. > > this part surprises me... ?oh. ?no it doesn't. ?i normally run > with tracing turned on, and all previous releases have had it on > by default. ?and when tracing is enabled, stderr is redirected to > a file. ?with tracing off, it's not. ?oops. ?will fix. Excellent. Thanks! Let me know if you want to test anything. Cheers, Peter From pgf at laptop.org Thu Aug 6 14:31:06 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:31:06 -0400 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <5256d0b0908060714k387ef693pb723000d9d13c9df@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090806_101436_645355_D86D6EA0) References: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <26290.1249566849@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <5256d0b0908060714k387ef693pb723000d9d13c9df@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090806_101436_645355_D86D6EA0) Message-ID: <28353.1249569066@foxharp.boston.ma.us> peter wrote: > Speaking of olpc-powerd. I've been playing with various the various > builds that have been around and it works terribly in VM environments, > or non XO physical machines. It should check for XO hardware and if it > doesn't find any it should just exit. Also it logs massive amounts of yes, i agree. i'll fix that. getting it to work properly on the correct h/w seemed more important at the time than getting it to not work correctly on the wrong hardware. > stuff to the console which is lost because its not logged to the > messages file. It just took 30 odd mins for a VM to boot up because of > all the olpc-powerd spew and when I could finally ssh into it there > was not a single bit of the spew in either dmesg or /var/log/messages. this part surprises me... oh. no it doesn't. i normally run with tracing turned on, and all previous releases have had it on by default. and when tracing is enabled, stderr is redirected to a file. with tracing off, it's not. oops. will fix. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From pgf at laptop.org Thu Aug 6 19:59:43 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:59:43 -0400 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090806_034222_067784_EEB7AADA) References: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090806_034222_067784_EEB7AADA) Message-ID: <12935.1249588783@foxharp.boston.ma.us> yioryos wrote: > > > 2009/8/6 Steven M. Parrish : > > > I have released a new build of F11 for the XO-1 named OS4 > > > > > > You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ ... > Olpc-powerd works up to sleeping but fails to blank and shutdown.OK on lid and > power button suspend/shutdown though. rtcwake still does not work, so I guess > this must be the reason. i've now installed a fresh os4, and rtcwake works just fine. [1] i'm becoming suspicious that the rtcwake issue is either a bug in rtcwake itself, or a separate system misconfig problem. i did see a case earlier today on a different machine where rtcwake was not waking properly. an strace showed that the value being written to the RTC was exactly 1 hour too large. playing with the timezone and hwclock eventually got it working, but it's arguable that since the command in question is supposed to set a relative alarm ("rtcwake -m mem -a -s 5"), the timezone and system time shouldn't enter into the calculation at all (and now that i think of if, i'm wondering why the "-a" option is even there). i'm thinking there may be a DST issue in there somewhere. paul [1] on the other hand, someone has just informed me that: > On the latest SoaS3 build ... the command > completes immediately, with the message "rtcwake: /dev/rtc0 not > enabled for wakeup events". could someone with SoaS3 insider info please verify that the XO-1 kernel is being built from the olpc-2.6.30 branch of olpc-2.6 repository? i've seen that message before, but only on misconfigured kernels. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From smparrish at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 23:21:49 2009 From: smparrish at gmail.com (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:21:49 -0400 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200908061921.49761.smparrish@gmail.com> > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Daniel Drake wrote: > > From: Daniel Drake > > Subject: Re: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released > > To: smparrish at gmail.com > > Cc: "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" > > , "Fedora OLPC List" > > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:45 PM > > > > 2009/8/6 Steven M. Parrish : > > > I have released a new build of F11 for the XO-1 named > > > > OS4 > > > > > You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > > > > > > This new build includes the addition of the > > > > ImageViewer, Physics and Jukebox > > > > > Activities, an update to the Write Activity, and the > > > > kbdshim and powerd > > > > > packages. > > > > It also fixes the bug where the XO would shutdown when you > > go online. > > It does not fix the style.py font size for the Journal and home (I guess a > proper solution is explored) Olpc-powerd works up to sleeping but fails to > blank and shutdown.OK on lid and power button suspend/shutdown though. > rtcwake still does not work, so I guess this must be the reason. > olpc-powerd also conflicts with the GNOME power management. Gnome options > must be set to "do nothing" in order for powerd to work properly. The build > is still missing ntp and ntpdate (also wget) > Firefox is still too big for the screen but installing the "default zoom" > plugin and setting it to 67% improves things a lot The 3 breakers (battery > monitor, screen rotation and camera) are still with us. One bug at a time > is good though :) > Thanks > > > thanks for your efforts! > > > > Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list I will make a note to myself to include ntp, ntpdate and wget on the next build. Steven ===================================================== Steven M. Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar From cjb at laptop.org Sat Aug 8 02:53:12 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New F11 for XO-1.5 build 26 Message-ID: <20090808025312.3B252FA983@dev.laptop.org> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/f11-1.5/os26 Compressed image size: 377.34mb (+3.02mb since build 25) Description of changes in this build: Note: *this build requires firmware Q3A07 or greater*. * Now boot from SD by default; we're moving to use SD instead of NAND. * #9335: Fix "OFW fails to boot after reboot from Linux" * #9342, #9421: Fix keyboard repeat on brightness keys * #9414, #9373: Fix TamTam sounds staticky on 1.5 A2 laptops * #9416: Pull in our openchrome driver build. * #9417: Add activities: Jukebox, Imageviewer, Physics, Words, Typing Turtle * #9422: Use DMI for model detection; requires Q3A07. 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Parrish : > > > > I have released a new build of F11 for the > XO-1 named OS4 > > > > > > > > You can find it at.... http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > ... > > Olpc-powerd works up to sleeping but fails to blank > and shutdown.OK on lid and > > power button suspend/shutdown though. rtcwake still > does not work, so I guess > > this must be the reason. > > i've now installed a fresh os4, and rtcwake works just > fine. [1] > > i'm becoming suspicious that the rtcwake issue is either a > bug in > rtcwake itself, or a separate system misconfig > problem.? i did > see a case earlier today on a different machine where > rtcwake was > not waking properly.? an strace showed that the value > being > written to the RTC was exactly 1 hour too large.? > playing with > the timezone and hwclock eventually got it working, but > it's > arguable that since the command in question is supposed to > set a > relative alarm ("rtcwake -m mem -a -s 5"), the timezone > and > system time shouldn't enter into the calculation at all > (and now > that i think of if, i'm wondering why the "-a" option is > even > there).? i'm thinking there may be a DST issue in > there > somewhere. > > paul > > [1] on the other hand, someone has just informed me that: > > ? > On the latest SoaS3 build ... the command > ? > completes immediately, with the message > "rtcwake:? /dev/rtc0 not > ? > enabled for wakeup events". > > could someone with SoaS3 insider info please verify that > the XO-1 > kernel is being built from the olpc-2.6.30 branch of > olpc-2.6 > repository?? i've seen that message before, but only > on misconfigured > kernels. > I set my timezone to hwclock time (GMT). In this setting trcwake in 10% of the cases wakes up in 10.5-12.5 sec. in ~20% does nothing after I hit ( I have no problems with the return key) and in the rest of the cases wakes up immediately. In all cases wakes up with the message rtcwake: wakeup from "mem" using /dev/rtc0 at My os4 just has ntp, ntpdate, wget and yumex and runs with the 2.6.30_xo1-20090724.1605.1.olpc.d56ad9b kernel. Other than that (and the font fixing) is pristine. I have the filling that timezone change did not improve much the situation. I was getting occasional correct wapeups though not so often. > paul > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From martin at martindengler.com Mon Aug 10 10:02:31 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:02:31 +0100 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image In-Reply-To: <20090810091412.GA4099@localhost> References: <20090809004421.GB4280@localhost> <20090809085751.GA4285@localhost> <20090809090740.GB4285@localhost> <20090809091650.GC4285@localhost> <20090809104041.GA4170@localhost> <4A7F0186.1080902@when.com> <20090809191411.GD28117@ops-13.xades.com.> <20090810054621.GB23728@localhost> <20090810081017.GH28117@ops-13.xades.com.> <20090810091412.GA4099@localhost> Message-ID: <20090810100231.GM28117@ops-13.xades.com.> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 02:44:12PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:10:17AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: > > And to disable permanently, remove/comment this line from > > /home/olpc/.xsession : > > It seems that jffs2 is a hard format to edit. mtdram refused to load > with a total_size of 650M. > > Martin, can you provide the same image in some non-jffs2 format like > compressed ext3? Yes, soon. In the meantime, this is a compressed tar file with one sparse file in it that is a set of partitions, the one member of which is an ext3 filesystem: http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.removable.img.tar.lzma ...which is a mouthful to describe but useful to use like: cat soasxoXX.removable.tar.lzma | lzma -dc - | tar xf - -O - > /dev/sdX ... in order to get a 4GB removable drive (subject to the dangers of re-partitioning said drive[1]) with a ext3 partition for booting on an XO-1. Right now one has to edit its olpc.fth appropriately so it boots from the USB/SD device one is using, but I will be rebuilding an image with a better olpc.fth soon now that I've got a key OFW tip. From that process I will get: soasxoXX.iso - iso9990 file system (for use with livecd-iso-to-disk) soasxoXX.img - for ... soasxoXX.crc - ... copy-nand'ing soasxoXX.plc - ... NANDblast'ing soasxoXX.removable.img.tar.lzma - for dd'ing to a removable device soasxoXX.tree.tar.lzma - for untarring, hacking, and re-tarring as you want to do I hope to merge the build changes necessary to soas's main git repo so we can get similar artifacts out of SoaS3 builds soon. I can do something similar for F11-on-XO-1 if that's interesting to the F11-on-XO-1 people. > I'd like to make some changes like this and add some > activities before I NANDblast the image out. Let me/us know how it goes. > Thanks! Martin 1. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin at martindengler.com Mon Aug 10 10:44:39 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:44:39 +0100 Subject: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image In-Reply-To: <20090810102321.GD4099@localhost> References: <20090809090740.GB4285@localhost> <20090809091650.GC4285@localhost> <20090809104041.GA4170@localhost> <4A7F0186.1080902@when.com> <20090809191411.GD28117@ops-13.xades.com.> <20090810054621.GB23728@localhost> <20090810081017.GH28117@ops-13.xades.com.> <20090810091412.GA4099@localhost> <20090810100231.GM28117@ops-13.xades.com.> <20090810102321.GD4099@localhost> Message-ID: <20090810104439.GO28117@ops-13.xades.com.> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:53:21PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:02:31AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: > > From that process I will get: > > > > soasxoXX.iso - iso9990 file system (for use with livecd-iso-to-disk) > > soasxoXX.img - for ... > > soasxoXX.crc - ... copy-nand'ing > > soasxoXX.plc - ... NANDblast'ing > > soasxoXX.removable.img.tar.lzma - for dd'ing to a removable device > > These seem to be there already. Yup. > > soasxoXX.tree.tar.lzma - for untarring, hacking, and re-tarring as you > > want to do > > This is the one I want. > > Can you post announcements somewhere of new snapshots? Once I've ironed out the process, sure. For now you can see the package and size deltas using the obvious *-changes.txt files, and I'll reply to this thread when I get a new build out. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smparrish at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 23:32:51 2009 From: smparrish at gmail.com (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:51 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 Message-ID: <200908101932.51555.smparrish@gmail.com> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ Added Typing Turtle & Words activities, added to favorites as well. Added ntp, ntpdate to base OS. Create custom .asoundrc file for TamTam here are the file differences since os4 -atlas-sse-3.8.3-4.fc11.i586 +atlas-sse-3.8.3-7.fc11.i586 -coreutils-7.2-2.fc11.i586 +coreutils-7.2-3.fc11.i586 -cups-libs-1.4-0.rc1.12.fc11.i586 +cups-libs-1.4-0.rc1.14.fc11.i586 -dhclient-4.1.0-23.fc11.i586 +dhclient-4.1.0p1-2.fc11.i586 -dracut-0.7-1.fc11.i586 +dracut-0.8-1.fc11.i586 -firefox-3.5.1-3.fc11.i586 +firefox-3.5.2-2.fc11.i586 -ghostscript-8.64-6.fc11.i586 +ghostscript-8.70-1.fc11.i586 -glibc-2.10.1-3.i686 -glibc-common-2.10.1-3.i586 +glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 +glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 -gnome-power-manager-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 +gnome-power-manager-2.26.4-1.fc11.i586 -gstreamer-0.10.23.3-1.fc11.i586 +gstreamer-0.10.24-1.fc11.i586 -gstreamer-tools-0.10.23.3-1.fc11.i586 +gstreamer-tools-0.10.24-1.fc11.i586 -gvfs-1.2.3-8.fc11.i586 -gvfs-fuse-1.2.3-8.fc11.i586 +gvfs-1.2.3-10.fc11.i586 +gvfs-fuse-1.2.3-10.fc11.i586 -hal-0.5.12-26.20090226git.fc11.i586 +hal-0.5.12-28.20090226git.fc11.i586 -hal-libs-0.5.12-26.20090226git.fc11.i586 +hal-libs-0.5.12-28.20090226git.fc11.i586 -hulahop-0.4.9-6.fc11.i586 +hulahop-0.4.9-7.fc11.i586 -info-4.13a-2.fc11.i586 +info-4.13a-4.fc11.i586 -kernel-2.6.30_xo1-20090724.1605.1.olpc.d56ad9b.i586 -kernel-firmware-2.6.30_xo1-20090724.1605.1.olpc.d56ad9b.i586 +kernel-2.6.30_xo1-20090806.0005.1.olpc.1a4850b.i586 +kernel-firmware-2.6.30_xo1-20090806.0005.1.olpc.1a4850b.i586 -libsilc-1.1.8-3.fc11.i586 +libsilc-1.1.8-5.fc11.i586 -nautilus-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 -nautilus-extensions-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 +nautilus-2.26.3-2.fc11.i586 +nautilus-extensions-2.26.3-2.fc11.i586 -nscd-2.10.1-3.i586 +nscd-2.10.1-4.i586 +ntp-4.2.4p7-2.fc11.i586 +ntpdate-4.2.4p7-2.fc11.i586 -olpc-utils-1.0.3-1.fc11.i586 +olpc-utils-1.0.3-2.fc11.i586 -pygtk2-2.14.1-1.fc11.i586 +pygtk2-2.14.1-2.fc11.i586 -setuptool-1.19.5-2.fc11.i586 -shadow-utils-4.1.4.1-4.fc11.i586 +setuptool-1.19.6-1.fc11.i586 +shadow-utils-4.1.4.1-5.fc11.i586 -xapian-bindings-python-1.0.11-2.fc11.i586 -xapian-core-libs-1.0.11-1.fc11.i586 +xapian-bindings-python-1.0.14-1.fc11.i586 +xapian-core-libs-1.0.14-2.fc11.i586 -xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.2.3-1.fc11.i586 +xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.2.4-1.fc11.i586 -xulrunner-1.9.1.1-1.fc11.i586 -xulrunner-python-1.9.1.1-1.fc11.i586 +xulrunner-1.9.1.2-1.fc11.i586 +xulrunner-python-1.9.1.2-1.fc11.i586 All normal warnings apply. This is development code. Please report any issues you may have. Steven ===================================================== Steven M. Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar From smparrish at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 23:35:06 2009 From: smparrish at gmail.com (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:35:06 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 Message-ID: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ Added Typing Turtle & Words activities, added to favorites as well. Added ntp, ntpdate to base OS. Create custom .asoundrc file for TamTam here are the file differences since os4 -atlas-sse-3.8.3-4.fc11.i586 +atlas-sse-3.8.3-7.fc11.i586 -coreutils-7.2-2.fc11.i586 +coreutils-7.2-3.fc11.i586 -cups-libs-1.4-0.rc1.12.fc11.i586 +cups-libs-1.4-0.rc1.14.fc11.i586 -dhclient-4.1.0-23.fc11.i586 +dhclient-4.1.0p1-2.fc11.i586 -dracut-0.7-1.fc11.i586 +dracut-0.8-1.fc11.i586 -firefox-3.5.1-3.fc11.i586 +firefox-3.5.2-2.fc11.i586 -ghostscript-8.64-6.fc11.i586 +ghostscript-8.70-1.fc11.i586 -glibc-2.10.1-3.i686 -glibc-common-2.10.1-3.i586 +glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 +glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 -gnome-power-manager-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 +gnome-power-manager-2.26.4-1.fc11.i586 -gstreamer-0.10.23.3-1.fc11.i586 +gstreamer-0.10.24-1.fc11.i586 -gstreamer-tools-0.10.23.3-1.fc11.i586 +gstreamer-tools-0.10.24-1.fc11.i586 -gvfs-1.2.3-8.fc11.i586 -gvfs-fuse-1.2.3-8.fc11.i586 +gvfs-1.2.3-10.fc11.i586 +gvfs-fuse-1.2.3-10.fc11.i586 -hal-0.5.12-26.20090226git.fc11.i586 +hal-0.5.12-28.20090226git.fc11.i586 -hal-libs-0.5.12-26.20090226git.fc11.i586 +hal-libs-0.5.12-28.20090226git.fc11.i586 -hulahop-0.4.9-6.fc11.i586 +hulahop-0.4.9-7.fc11.i586 -info-4.13a-2.fc11.i586 +info-4.13a-4.fc11.i586 -kernel-2.6.30_xo1-20090724.1605.1.olpc.d56ad9b.i586 -kernel-firmware-2.6.30_xo1-20090724.1605.1.olpc.d56ad9b.i586 +kernel-2.6.30_xo1-20090806.0005.1.olpc.1a4850b.i586 +kernel-firmware-2.6.30_xo1-20090806.0005.1.olpc.1a4850b.i586 -libsilc-1.1.8-3.fc11.i586 +libsilc-1.1.8-5.fc11.i586 -nautilus-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 -nautilus-extensions-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 +nautilus-2.26.3-2.fc11.i586 +nautilus-extensions-2.26.3-2.fc11.i586 -nscd-2.10.1-3.i586 +nscd-2.10.1-4.i586 +ntp-4.2.4p7-2.fc11.i586 +ntpdate-4.2.4p7-2.fc11.i586 -olpc-utils-1.0.3-1.fc11.i586 +olpc-utils-1.0.3-2.fc11.i586 -pygtk2-2.14.1-1.fc11.i586 +pygtk2-2.14.1-2.fc11.i586 -setuptool-1.19.5-2.fc11.i586 -shadow-utils-4.1.4.1-4.fc11.i586 +setuptool-1.19.6-1.fc11.i586 +shadow-utils-4.1.4.1-5.fc11.i586 -xapian-bindings-python-1.0.11-2.fc11.i586 -xapian-core-libs-1.0.11-1.fc11.i586 +xapian-bindings-python-1.0.14-1.fc11.i586 +xapian-core-libs-1.0.14-2.fc11.i586 -xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.2.3-1.fc11.i586 +xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.2.4-1.fc11.i586 -xulrunner-1.9.1.1-1.fc11.i586 -xulrunner-python-1.9.1.1-1.fc11.i586 +xulrunner-1.9.1.2-1.fc11.i586 +xulrunner-python-1.9.1.2-1.fc11.i586 All normal warnings apply. This is development code. Please report any issues you may have. Steven ===================================================== Steven M. Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar From mavrothal at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 21:10:24 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <701624.47621.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > From: Steven M. Parrish > Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 > To: "Fedora OLPC List" , "OLPC Development" , "OLPC Testing" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:35 PM > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 > http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ > > Added Typing Turtle & Words activities, added to > favorites as well. Added ntp, > ntpdate to base OS. > > Create custom .asoundrc file for TamTam > > here are the file differences since os4 > > All normal warnings apply.? This is development > code.? Please report any > issues you may have. > > Steven Thank you. I had no new problems with this build thought the old ones (battery, camera, rotation, powerd performance, font size in style.py, Firefox toolbars/menu size etc) are still there, even if some like the style.py are simple to "fix". I was wondering if these builds are available to make sure that XO-1.5 software development is XO-1 compatible or if they are actually aiming to bring Fedora 11+/Sugar 0.84+ to the XO-1. I guess what I'm asking is if someone is looking at these issues specifically and independent of XO-1.5, specially the ones that are XO-1.5 independent, or if they are all in the (very) back burner. Are the "solutions" expected after upstream integration or XO-1 patches will be developed independently of F11/12? I would just like to know. That's all. > > > ===================================================== > Steven M. Parrish > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 > A9A6 13C0 > http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, > #fedora-olpc, #sugar > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From quozl at laptop.org Thu Aug 13 05:47:45 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:47:45 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090813054745.GB1555@us.netrek.org> Boot tested, nothing unusual seen. rtcwake testing has shown that it needs --utc after the first shutdown. Prior to then the /etc/adjtime file is zero. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From mikus at bga.com Thu Aug 13 12:12:55 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:12:55 -0400 Subject: What level Sugar Activities on F11 ? Message-ID: <4A840347.4090406@bga.com> When the XO-1.5 on F11 software is eventually deployed (e.g., installed by the factory), what level of Sugar will it provide ? My reason for asking is that some Activities now available on the SugarLabs website are marked "for 0.86". Although I only have XO-1s, if there are some Activities which will not be supported by the 2009 OLPC release (1.5), then I might as well limit my testing on F11 to supported-in-2009 Activity versions (e.g., to 0.84). Is XO-1.5 software expected to run Activities marked "for 0.86" ? mikus From smparrish at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 18:38:57 2009 From: smparrish at gmail.com (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:38:57 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> I have gotten a report of the XO-1 locking up after within an hour of booting when left idle. Can anyone else report if this is happening. I dont have access to my xo-1 till saturday to test. Steven > > ===================================================== > Steven M. Parrish > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B > EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, > #sugar ===================================================== Steven M. Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar From ed at laptop.org Thu Aug 13 18:46:40 2009 From: ed at laptop.org (Ed McNierney) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:46:40 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: Steven - I can't say that I've tested it very thoroughly in this scenario, but I have certainly left this build running on an idle XO-1 for more than an hour and saw no particular trouble with it. - Ed On Aug 13, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > I have gotten a report of the XO-1 locking up after within an hour > of booting > when left idle. Can anyone else report if this is happening. I > dont have > access to my xo-1 till saturday to test. > > Steven > >> >> ===================================================== >> Steven M. Parrish >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 >> 0FD6 1F4B >> EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ >> irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora- >> olpc, >> #sugar > ===================================================== > Steven M. Parrish > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 > http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora- > olpc, #sugar > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From pgf at laptop.org Thu Aug 13 18:54:11 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:54:11 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> (sfid-20090813_144006_819065_1D5DA06A) References: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> (sfid-20090813_144006_819065_1D5DA06A) Message-ID: <4378.1250189651@foxharp.boston.ma.us> steven m. parrish wrote: > I have gotten a report of the XO-1 locking up after within an hour of booting > when left idle. Can anyone else report if this is happening. I dont have > access to my xo-1 till saturday to test. in fact, i may have just seen this today. i'll retest. =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From mark at zjunk.net Thu Aug 13 18:59:04 2009 From: mark at zjunk.net (Mark Bauer) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:59:04 -0500 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <4378.1250189651@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> (sfid-20090813_144006_819065_1D5DA06A) <4378.1250189651@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <5F663580-03B6-4BF7-B078-7296B5D85564@zjunk.net> Display goes blank, a short press to the power button turns on the back light then pressing a key (I hit return) gets me back to normal. Mark On Aug 13, 2009 Thursday, at 1:54:11:0, Paul Fox wrote: > steven m. parrish wrote: >> I have gotten a report of the XO-1 locking up after within an hour >> of booting >> when left idle. Can anyone else report if this is happening. I >> dont have >> access to my xo-1 till saturday to test. > > in fact, i may have just seen this today. i'll retest. > > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 19:10:08 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:10:08 +0100 Subject: Another F11 build for the XO-1 has been released In-Reply-To: <28353.1249569066@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <153377.5891.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <26290.1249566849@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <5256d0b0908060714k387ef693pb723000d9d13c9df@mail.gmail.com> <28353.1249569066@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <5256d0b0908131210w73ce5c2egebfdc8a4466002fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, > ?> Speaking of olpc-powerd. I've been playing with various the various > ?> builds that have been around and it works terribly in VM environments, > ?> or non XO physical machines. It should check for XO hardware and if it > ?> doesn't find any it should just exit. Also it logs massive amounts of > > yes, i agree. ?i'll fix that. ?getting it to work properly on the > correct h/w seemed more important at the time than getting it to > not work correctly on the wrong hardware. > > ?> stuff to the console which is lost because its not logged to the > ?> messages file. It just took 30 odd mins for a VM to boot up because of > ?> all the olpc-powerd spew and when I could finally ssh into it there > ?> was not a single bit of the spew in either dmesg or /var/log/messages. > > this part surprises me... ?oh. ?no it doesn't. ?i normally run > with tracing turned on, and all previous releases have had it on > by default. ?and when tracing is enabled, stderr is redirected to > a file. ?with tracing off, it's not. ?oops. ?will fix. I just just this in koji. Thanks! * Thu Aug 13 2009 Paul Fox - 10-1 - prevent running on non-XO hardware - workaround rtcwake bug - prevent console spew, by redirecting stderr weven when not logging. From mavrothal at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 21:22:09 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <20090813054745.GB1555@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <442750.16894.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, James Cameron wrote: > From: James Cameron > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 > To: "Steven M. Parrish" > Cc: "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" , "Fedora OLPC List" > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:47 AM > Boot tested, nothing unusual seen. > > rtcwake testing has shown that it needs --utc after the > first shutdown. > Prior to then the /etc/adjtime file is zero. > In my hands both time 'rtcwake -um mem -a -s 10' and 'time rtcwake -m mem -a -s 10' are a hit and miss. '-um' is better (~50%) while without the UCT option is hardly 10%. Usually the first time after is invoked with the UTC option. Screen blanking though within olpc-powerd, does not work if the XO is asleep (OK before sleeping). I could not find the powerd log anywhere in /var/log or /etc/powerd. Are the moved somewhere else or removed altogether because of the VM problem? > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From pgf at laptop.org Thu Aug 13 21:50:22 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:50:22 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <442750.16894.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090813_172244_248277_D8B68B06) References: <442750.16894.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090813_172244_248277_D8B68B06) Message-ID: <11252.1250200222@foxharp.boston.ma.us> hi yioryos -- yioryos wrote: > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, James Cameron wrote: > > > > rtcwake testing has shown that it needs --utc after the > > first shutdown. > > Prior to then the /etc/adjtime file is zero. > > > > In my hands both time 'rtcwake -um mem -a -s 10' and 'time > rtcwake -m mem -a -s 10' are a hit and miss. '-um' is better > (~50%) while without the UCT option is hardly 10%. Usually what exactly do you mean, by "50%" and "10%". rtcwake doesn't wake at all? wakes too soon? > the first time after is invoked with the UTC option. Screen > blanking though within olpc-powerd, does not work if the XO is > asleep (OK before sleeping). I could not find the powerd log > anywhere in /var/log or /etc/powerd. Are the moved somewhere > else or removed altogether because of the VM problem? hmm. i think we need to step back a bit. let's ignore powerd for now -- please disable it with: # initctl stop powerd then, let's get rid of spurious wakeups, by turning off most wakeup events: # echo 0 > /sys/power/wakeup_events/all the lid, the power button, and the RTC alarm should still be capable of waking the system at this point. now run: # rtcwake --utc -m mem -s 10 paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From quozl at laptop.org Thu Aug 13 23:49:11 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:49:11 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> References: <200908101935.06560.smparrish@gmail.com> <200908131438.58557.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090813234911.GG9912@us.netrek.org> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:38:57PM -0400, Steven M. Parrish wrote: > I have gotten a report of the XO-1 locking up after within an hour of > booting when left idle. Can anyone else report if this is happening. Not happening here, on three XO-1 units. They do enter idle suspend, which may *look* like it is locked up, but a press of the power button will wake them up again. Normal powerd operation. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Thu Aug 13 23:52:23 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:52:23 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <11252.1250200222@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <442750.16894.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <11252.1250200222@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <20090813235223.GH9912@us.netrek.org> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 05:50:22PM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: > hmm. i think we need to step back a bit. > > let's ignore powerd for now -- please disable it with: > # initctl stop powerd > > then, let's get rid of spurious wakeups, by turning off > most wakeup events: > # echo 0 > /sys/power/wakeup_events/all > > the lid, the power button, and the RTC alarm should still be > capable of waking the system at this point. > > now run: > # rtcwake --utc -m mem -s 10 With the above temporary configuration changes, this test results in reliable wakeup, 100% of the time, within 13 seconds of the command being typed. Total five tests on two XO-1s. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From mavrothal at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 10:35:53 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <11252.1250200222@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <24493.20296.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Paul Fox wrote: > From: Paul Fox > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "OLPC Development" , "OLPC Testing" , "Fedora OLPC List" > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > hi yioryos -- > > yioryos wrote: > > > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, James Cameron > wrote: > > > > > > rtcwake testing has shown that it needs --utc > after the > > > first shutdown. > > > Prior to then the /etc/adjtime file is zero. > > > > > > > In my hands both time 'rtcwake -um mem -a -s 10' and > 'time > > rtcwake -m mem -a -s 10' are a hit and miss.? > '-um' is better > > (~50%) while without the UCT option is hardly > 10%.? Usually > > what exactly do you mean, by "50%" and "10%".? rtcwake > doesn't > wake at all?? wakes too soon? Either. 10, 50% sucess means wakeup in 11-12sec > > > the first time after is invoked with the UTC > option.? Screen > > blanking though within olpc-powerd, does not work if > the XO is > > asleep (OK before sleeping).? I could not find > the powerd log > > anywhere in /var/log or /etc/powerd.? Are the > moved somewhere > > else or removed altogether because of the VM > problem? > > > hmm.? i think we need to step back a bit. > > let's ignore powerd for now -- please disable it with: > ???# initctl stop powerd > > then, let's get rid of spurious wakeups, by turning off > most wakeup events: > ???# echo 0 > > /sys/power/wakeup_events/all > > the lid, the power button, and the RTC alarm should still > be > capable of waking the system at this point. > > now run: > ???# rtcwake --utc -m mem -s 10 > As JC reported, under these conditions the XO wakes up reliably. Without the --utc option does not wakeup unless you use the power button, lid etc(I did not wait long enough for the timezone to match utc :) > paul > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org > From pgf at laptop.org Fri Aug 14 12:31:15 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:31:15 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <24493.20296.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090814_063608_507380_DD15926B) References: <24493.20296.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090814_063608_507380_DD15926B) Message-ID: <23696.1250253075@foxharp.boston.ma.us> yioryos wrote: > > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Paul Fox wrote: > > > From: Paul Fox > > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 > > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > > Cc: "OLPC Development" , "OLPC Testing" > , "Fedora OLPC List" > > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > hi yioryos -- > > > > yioryos wrote: > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, James Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > > rtcwake testing has shown that it needs --utc after the > > > > first shutdown. > > > > Prior to then the /etc/adjtime file is zero. > > > > > > > > > > In my hands both time 'rtcwake -um mem -a -s 10' and 'time > > > rtcwake -m mem -a -s 10' are a hit and miss.? '-um' is better > > > (~50%) while without the UCT option is hardly 10%.? Usually > > > > what exactly do you mean, by "50%" and "10%".? rtcwake > > doesn't wake at all?? wakes too soon? > > Either. 10, 50% sucess means wakeup in 11-12sec okay. waking too soon means you were woken by something other than the RTC. you can "cat /sys/power/wakeup-source" to see what it was. > > hmm.? i think we need to step back a bit. > > > > let's ignore powerd for now -- please disable it with: > > ???# initctl stop powerd > > > > then, let's get rid of spurious wakeups, by turning off > > most wakeup events: > > ???# echo 0 > > > /sys/power/wakeup_events/all > > > > the lid, the power button, and the RTC alarm should still > > be > > capable of waking the system at this point. > > > > now run: > > ???# rtcwake --utc -m mem -s 10 > > > > As JC reported, under these conditions the XO wakes up reliably. excellent. so rtcwake is reliable, except for the timezone issue. thanks for your testing. olpc-powerd-10-1.fc11 should be available soon, which contains a workaround for the rtcwake issue. (you can try it sooner by simply adding "--utc" to each of the rtcwake commandlines in the powerd script.) and quozl and i have brought the issue to the attention of the util-linux-ng folks. (it actually seems that the kernel might be treating the daylight savings time field from the RTC a little too casually.) paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From quozl at laptop.org Fri Aug 14 12:54:16 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:54:16 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <23696.1250253075@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <24493.20296.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <23696.1250253075@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <20090814125416.GD21658@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:31:15AM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: > (it actually seems that the kernel might be treating the > daylight savings time field from the RTC a little too casually.) chuckle. yes, it seems likely that setting everything to zero would be seen to be the right thing to do ... but struct tm is old, very old, long before the idea of zero being safe. i'm very much aware of tm_isdst because of my previous support job, and living in a country with state based summer time that changes almost every year. or more often. seriously. it's very tempting to push for solar time. ;-) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From walter.bender at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 12:59:46 2009 From: walter.bender at gmail.com (Walter Bender) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:59:46 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <20090814125416.GD21658@us.netrek.org> References: <24493.20296.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <23696.1250253075@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <20090814125416.GD21658@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:54 AM, James Cameron wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:31:15AM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: >> (it actually seems that the kernel might be treating the >> daylight savings time field from the RTC a little too casually.) > > chuckle. ?yes, it seems likely that setting everything to zero would be > seen to be the right thing to do ... but struct tm is old, very old, > long before the idea of zero being safe. Reminds me of a ruling from the US Patent Office I was involved in years ago. They said zero was not a number. :) > > i'm very much aware of tm_isdst because of my previous support job, and > living in a country with state based summer time that changes almost > every year. ?or more often. ?seriously. > > it's very tempting to push for solar time. ?;-) > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org From mavrothal at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 21:30:56 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <23696.1250253075@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <536855.51232.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Here is another strange thing, timezone info is not preserved through reboots (this is w/o _any_ network connection) and then hwclock and date although reported in the same timezone they have different time eg: [root at localhost olpc]# hwclock Fri 14 Aug 2009 05:14:30 PM CEST -0.042609 seconds [root at localhost olpc]# date Fri Aug 14 23:14:53 CEST 2009 although the control panel timezone is in CEST+2 and the /etc/adjtime is polulated with: [root at localhost olpc]# more /etc/adjtime 0.000000 1250285471 0.000000 1250285471 LOCAL Doing an ntpdate update puts th clock in the right timezone without affecting the hwclock. One strange thing I notice looking for localtime files with mc and hitting Edit by mistake (the first time :) is that both /etc/localtime or /etc/avahi/etc/localtime said "converting from Mac format" when opened for editing. Is this normal? I do not know to what extend the timezone problem may be related to the rtcwake problems but is strange on its own. --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Paul Fox wrote: > From: Paul Fox > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "OLPC Development" , "OLPC Testing" , "Fedora OLPC List" > Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 8:31 AM > yioryos wrote: > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Paul Fox > wrote: > > > > > From: Paul Fox > > > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 > > > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > > > Cc: "OLPC Development" , > "OLPC Testing" > > , > "Fedora OLPC List" > > > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:50 PM > > > hi yioryos -- > > > > > > yioryos wrote: > > >? > > > >? > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, James Cameron > > wrote: > > >? > > > > >? > > rtcwake testing has shown that > it needs --utc after the > > >? > > first shutdown. > > >? > > Prior to then the /etc/adjtime > file is zero. > > >? > > > > >? > > > >? > In my hands both time 'rtcwake -um > mem -a -s 10' and 'time > > >? > rtcwake -m mem -a -s 10' are a hit > and miss.? '-um' is better > > >? > (~50%) while without the UCT option > is hardly 10%.? Usually > > > > > > what exactly do you mean, by "50%" and "10%".? > rtcwake > > > doesn't wake at all?? wakes too soon? > > > > Either. 10, 50% sucess means wakeup in 11-12sec > > okay.? waking too soon means you were woken by > something > other than the RTC.? you can "cat > /sys/power/wakeup-source" > to see what it was. > > > > hmm.? i think we need to step back a bit. > > > > > > let's ignore powerd for now -- please disable it > with: > > > ???# initctl stop powerd > > > > > > then, let's get rid of spurious wakeups, by > turning off > > > most wakeup events: > > > ???# echo 0 > > > > /sys/power/wakeup_events/all > > > > > > the lid, the power button, and the RTC alarm > should still > > > be > > > capable of waking the system at this point. > > > > > > now run: > > > ???# rtcwake --utc -m mem -s 10 > > > > > > > As JC reported, under these conditions the XO wakes > up reliably. > > excellent.? so rtcwake is reliable, except for the > timezone issue. > > thanks for your testing.? olpc-powerd-10-1.fc11 should > be > available soon, which contains a workaround for the > rtcwake > issue.? (you can try it sooner by simply adding > "--utc" to each > of the rtcwake commandlines in the powerd script.)? > and quozl and > i have brought the issue to the attention of the > util-linux-ng > folks.? (it actually seems that the kernel might be > treating the > daylight savings time field from the RTC a little too > casually.) > > paul > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org > From quozl at laptop.org Sat Aug 15 06:33:37 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:33:37 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <536855.51232.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <23696.1250253075@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <536855.51232.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090815063337.GE1462@us.netrek.org> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:30:56PM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > One strange thing I notice looking for localtime files with mc and > hitting Edit by mistake (the first time :) is that both /etc/localtime > or /etc/avahi/etc/localtime said "converting from Mac format" when > opened for editing. Is this normal? Since /etc/localtime is a binary file, which means not text, then it is expected that accidentally editing it may trigger parts of an editor that are designed to recognise strange text files. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 07:50:23 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5 In-Reply-To: <23696.1250253075@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <420183.18150.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Paul Fox wrote: > From: Paul Fox > > > doesn't wake at all?? wakes too soon? > > > > Either. 10, 50% sucess means wakeup in 11-12sec > > okay.? waking too soon means you were woken by > something > other than the RTC.? you can "cat > /sys/power/wakeup-source" > to see what it was. > Sorry I forgot that. It is usually "key press" and occasionally "battery state change"(which is very "strange" considering that the battery monitor does not work...) Now why this is happening so more often without the utc option is a mystery (to me). The possibility of a "semi-stuck" key should not discriminate between the two I would guess. Maybe I hit the return key harder or something! If nobody else sees that it could be operator/hardware specific indeed. > From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 07:52:14 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <20090815063337.GE1462@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <895215.89852.qm@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/15/09, James Cameron wrote: > From: James Cameron > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "Paul Fox" , "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" , "Fedora OLPC List" > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 2:33 AM > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:30:56PM > -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > > One strange thing I notice looking for localtime files > with mc and > > hitting Edit by mistake (the first time :) is that > both /etc/localtime > > or /etc/avahi/etc/localtime said "converting from Mac > format" when > > opened for editing. Is this normal? > > Since /etc/localtime is a binary file, which means not > text, then it is > expected that accidentally editing it may trigger parts of > an editor > that are designed to recognise strange text files. > OK thanks. Please disrigard the previous mail about timezones. After reinstalling os5 and doing an ntpdate -b, timezones change and display correctly (rtcwake without the --utc option remains problematic though less erratic) Sorry. > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 17:24:40 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones Message-ID: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > From: Yioryos Asprobounitis > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones > To: "James Cameron" > Cc: "Paul Fox" , "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" , "Fedora OLPC List" > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 3:52 AM > > > --- On Sat, 8/15/09, James Cameron > wrote: > > > From: James Cameron > > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones > > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > > Cc: "Paul Fox" , > "OLPC Testing" , > "OLPC Development" , > "Fedora OLPC List" > > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 2:33 AM > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:30:56PM > > -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > > > One strange thing I notice looking for localtime > files > > with mc and > > > hitting Edit by mistake (the first time :) is > that > > both /etc/localtime > > > or /etc/avahi/etc/localtime said "converting from > Mac > > format" when > > > opened for editing. Is this normal? > > > > Since /etc/localtime is a binary file, which means > not > > text, then it is > > expected that accidentally editing it may trigger > parts of > > an editor > > that are designed to recognise strange text files. > > > > OK thanks. > Please disrigard the previous mail about timezones. > After reinstalling os5 and doing an ntpdate -b, timezones > change and display correctly > (rtcwake without the --utc option remains problematic > though less erratic) > Sorry. > Well, I'm really confused about this. The time and timezone was OK in the XO after reinstalling the original syncing and through several reboots or shutdown/restarts (without network connection). After few hours off (charging) the time is all messed up again. The hwclock has the correct time. The /etc/localtime file after the binary content keep saying "EST5EDT,M3.2.0,M11.1.0" (the original setting of this build) no matter what timezone you select in the control panel. Even if you copy the correct timezone file to /etc/localtime the time does not change and is still wrong. Selecting another timezone in the control panel changes none of the /etc/localtime, /etc/avahi/etc/localtime and /etc/adjtime but the time does change (always wrong time). Which file does the control panel changes? Test case: 'ntpdate -b' the XO and set a timezone. The time is correct but the /etc/localtime file shows something different. Let the XO off for some time (o/n) check the time _without_ an ntp update and network connection, the time is 4 hours ahead of the correct time. hwclock time remains correct. /etc/localtime, /etc/avahi/etc/localtime and /etc/adjtime content does not change with timezone changes but time does (right or wrong). Is it designed to default to some specific timezone without a network connection? And if yes what about when kids have the XO at home probably without a network connection? Can you have correct time without network? From quozl at laptop.org Sun Aug 16 01:20:45 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:20:45 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090816012045.GD16342@us.netrek.org> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:24:40AM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > Well, I'm really confused about this. Let me help with that. > The time and timezone was OK in > the XO after reinstalling the original syncing and through several > reboots or shutdown/restarts (without network connection). After few > hours off (charging) the time is all messed up again. > The hwclock has the correct time. This last observation probably means the clock battery has not failed. But I don't understand how the system time would change. I guess I need to understand which time you are talking about. > The /etc/localtime file after the binary content keep saying > "EST5EDT,M3.2.0,M11.1.0" [...] Again, that's a binary file, so don't display it ... if you must know if it has changed, use an md5sum or the stat command ... to decode the content of this file, use the command: zdump -v /etc/localtime > Even if you copy the correct timezone file to /etc/localtime the time > does not change and is still wrong. Which time? How are you reading the time? > Selecting another timezone in the control panel changes none of the > /etc/localtime, /etc/avahi/etc/localtime and /etc/adjtime [...] Yes, that's true. The control panel only changes Sugar configuration, not system configuration. It changes how Sugar displays the time. The system remains on UTC, normally. But you said above that you changed the system timezone yourself. > but the time does change (always wrong time). Which time? > Which file does the control panel changes? The file /home/olpc/.gconf/desktop/sugar/date/%gconf.xml > Test case: 'ntpdate -b' the XO and set a timezone. The time is correct but the > /etc/localtime file shows something different. I don't see any change to /etc/localtime when the Sugar control panel timezone is changed. > Let the XO off for some time (o/n) check the time _without_ an ntp > update and network connection, the time is 4 hours ahead of the > correct time. hwclock time remains correct. This suggests that the system is failing to set the time from the hardware clock on boot. > /etc/localtime, /etc/avahi/etc/localtime and /etc/adjtime content does > not change with timezone changes but time does (right or wrong). > Is it designed to default to some specific timezone without a network > connection? Deployments would choose their default timezone. It seems the default timezone for the system on this build is a US timezone. > And if yes what about when kids have the XO at home > probably without a network connection? Can you have correct time > without network? I don't think that is a concern. Let's focus instead on why your observations seem unusual ... I do not expect the operating system time to shift over several boots or a recharge. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Sun Aug 16 01:27:03 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:27:03 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090816012703.GE16342@us.netrek.org> Yioryos, when you changed /etc/localtime did you also change /etc/sysconfig/clock? Did the symptom (unexplained change of system time after a few hours of charging) only ever follow your change to /etc/localtime? Others ... what is the *correct* method to change operating system timezone? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From dsd at laptop.org Sun Aug 16 04:15:20 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:00:20 +0545 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908152115s10bc49f9l96b78b05287bede5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/15 Yioryos Asprobounitis : > Is it designed to default to some specific timezone without a network connection? And if yes what about when kids have the XO at home probably without a network connection? Can you have correct time without network? All XOs have their hardware clock set accurately to UTC time at the factory. The linux kernel sets the software clock during boot from the hardware clock. Linux userspace then configures a timezone which basically adds or subtracts a number of hours from that UTC time, based on the deployment-specified defaults, or by user choice in the sugar control panel. If the sugar specified timezone is not taking effect then that is a bug. I believe the way it's supposed to work is by setting the TZ environment variable under the sugar environment. It obviously cannot modify /etc/localtime or similar because sugar does not run as root. It can't modify the hardware clock either, but that's fine because it must always be left as UTC. Additionally, the XO attempts to update the clock over NTP every time a network connection is established. (probably missing from F11 builds) Daniel From pgf at laptop.org Sun Aug 16 14:34:23 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:34:23 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <818423da0908152115s10bc49f9l96b78b05287bede5@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090816_001551_335371_0BA6A7CC) References: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908152115s10bc49f9l96b78b05287bede5@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090816_001551_335371_0BA6A7CC) Message-ID: <1210.1250433263@foxharp.boston.ma.us> daniel wrote: > 2009/8/15 Yioryos Asprobounitis : > > Is it designed to default to some specific timezone without a network > connection? And if yes what about when kids have the XO at home probably > without a network connection? Can you have correct time without network? > > All XOs have their hardware clock set accurately to UTC time at the factory. > The linux kernel sets the software clock during boot from the hardware clock. > Linux userspace then configures a timezone which basically adds or > subtracts a number of hours from that UTC time, based on the > deployment-specified defaults, or by user choice in the sugar control > panel. i believe quozl found that when an F11-on-xo1 release is first booted that there is no UTC or LOCAL line in /etc/adjtime. at that point the system will assume the hwclock reports UTC time. after the system has been rebooted once, somehow a "LOCAL" line appears in /etc/adjtime. this will change the relationship between hwclock and system time, obviously. not sure how or where this fits into the current confusion. paul > > If the sugar specified timezone is not taking effect then that is a > bug. I believe the way it's supposed to work is by setting the TZ > environment variable under the sugar environment. It obviously cannot > modify /etc/localtime or similar because sugar does not run as root. > It can't modify the hardware clock either, but that's fine because it > must always be left as UTC. > > Additionally, the XO attempts to update the clock over NTP every time > a network connection is established. (probably missing from F11 > builds) > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From dsd at laptop.org Sun Aug 16 15:27:08 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:12:08 +0545 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <1210.1250433263@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <334840.66524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908152115s10bc49f9l96b78b05287bede5@mail.gmail.com> <1210.1250433263@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <818423da0908160827m49f3a853qf90ee41861bd0a0c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/16 Paul Fox : > i believe quozl found that when an F11-on-xo1 release is first > booted that there is no UTC or LOCAL line in /etc/adjtime. ?at > that point the system will assume the hwclock reports UTC time. > after the system has been rebooted once, somehow a "LOCAL" line > appears in /etc/adjtime. ?this will change the relationship > between hwclock and system time, obviously. ?not sure how or > where this fits into the current confusion. That would seem to explain some (or all) of the messages above, thanks for the diagnosis. That's a bug. Daniel From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 20:54:14 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap In-Reply-To: <818423da0908160827m49f3a853qf90ee41861bd0a0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <538573.65044.qm@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Here is another one A problem I had with all the F11-XO1/osN (2,4 and 5) builds is that often they'll refuse to boot pass the "loading initrd.img" step because apparently they have a problem with the swap partition I have in my SDcard as I guess from the tail dmesg after a failed boot, shown below. [ 19.930554] olpc-ec: running cmd 0x18 [ 19.931580] olpc-ec: sending cmd arg 0x5f [ 19.933604] olpc-ec: received 0x22 [ 25.137940] ip used greatest stack depth: 1732 bytes left [ 27.634582] Adding 258040k swap on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:258040k SS Removing the SDcard before boot does not solve the problem. It appears that it tries to load the partition even if not present. Booting from the SDcard (Ubuntu) and removing the relevant fstab line from F11-XO1/osN solves the boot problem. Adding back the swap line in fstab and starting swap is OK and will hold through several reboots. Nothing seems to be wrong with the swap partition since I can immediately reboot in Ubuntu that uses the same swap partition and the swap space is there. The problem usually appears after an abrupt shutdown. This last one was after an automatic shutdown after a long suspend. I never had this problem with os767/802 or Ubuntu that all use the same swap partition. What is also strange is that although I have inactivated pretty boot, when this problem happens a never pass the ofw screen and get into the console as one would expect almost 30 seconds into the boot sequence. I can appreciate that swap partitions may not be widely implemented in the XO1 target audience but if this is an easy problem to fix might worth looking at. XO1 can be definitely benefited from swap specially with the F11/Gnome builds. From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 22:13:04 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <20090816012703.GE16342@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <975369.94109.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I have very limited wifi access so let me answer for the record some of your questions I see time either by 'date' or 'hwclock' in the terminal I change /etc/localtime by cp or ln -s the respective /usr/share/zoneinfo file I did not change the /etc/sysconfig/clock file that reads: ZONE="US/Eastern" UTC=False The arbitrary time change does not follow after changes in /etc/localtime. There the time changes as expected but is still off by certain hours. I can not find a pattern for the clock changing point. I looked at 00:00 and 12:00 GMT, hwclock and localtime and at 24h after last ntp update. I list the last line of the binary /etc/localtime file because it does shows the timezone in use by that file. Sorry if I missed something Hopefully the next build will have the /etc/adjtime and UTC setting corrected. Then we'll see if "time problem" persists. --- On Sat, 8/15/09, James Cameron wrote: > From: James Cameron > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:27 PM > Yioryos, when you changed > /etc/localtime did you also change > /etc/sysconfig/clock? > > Did the symptom (unexplained change of system time after a > few hours of > charging) only ever follow your change to /etc/localtime? > > Others ... what is the *correct* method to change operating > system > timezone? > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > From mikus at bga.com Sun Aug 16 22:13:39 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:13:39 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap Message-ID: <4A888493.3080908@bga.com> Yioryos wrote > Here is another one > A problem I had with all the F11-XO1/osN (2,4 and 5) builds is that often > they'll refuse to boot pass the "loading initrd.img" step because apparently > they have a problem with the swap partition I have in my SDcard as I guess > from the tail dmesg after a failed boot, shown below. I always have a swap partition. I have never noticed a boot failing due to the handling of that swap partition. mikus From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 17 10:17:00 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:02:00 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908040043j44b31094u184f7fb3ef37fe8a@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040055n296c484frf9c310f684141473@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/7 Tomeu Vizoso : > But not all text is rendered with that default font size. Do you have examples? > I was asking you about how we can get there, IOW which is the > suggested technical plan. > > We have today a solution that allows scaling the size of the text in > all of Sugar, so it can adapt to any display. You point out that this > approach has a downside as text whose size is specified in points > won't have the same physical size in different displays. > > I'm asking you what do you propose to fix that (doing so in a ticket > and/or feature page may be better). OK, I'll give it some thought. Probably just making a gconf setting would be the best approach, and that's also what GNOME does. Daniel From pgf at laptop.org Mon Aug 17 13:48:30 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:48:30 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <975369.94109.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090816_181340_847066_B992E16D) References: <975369.94109.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (sfid-20090816_181340_847066_B992E16D) Message-ID: <17425.1250516910@foxharp.boston.ma.us> hi yioryos -- yioryos wrote: > I have very limited wifi access so let me answer for the record some of your > questions > I see time either by 'date' or 'hwclock' in the terminal when describing your problems, you need to be explicit as to which of those you're referring to. "date" reports system time, and "hwclock" reports what the RTC says. in addition, you should tell us whether you're using "--utc" or "--local" to hwclock (or, if neither, tell us the contents of /etc/adjtime). hwclock will report different times depending on those options. > I change /etc/localtime by cp or ln -s the respective > /usr/share/zoneinfo file > I did not change the /etc/sysconfig/clock file that reads: > ZONE="US/Eastern" > UTC=False does anyone know who creates /etc/sysconfig/clock? on the XO, UTC should be 'true'. paul > The arbitrary time change does not follow after changes in /etc/localtime. > There the time changes as expected but is still off by certain > hours. I can not find a pattern for the clock changing point. > I looked at 00:00 and 12:00 GMT, hwclock and localtime and at > 24h after last ntp update. > I list the last line of the binary /etc/localtime file because it does shows > the timezone in use by that file. > Sorry if I missed something > Hopefully the next build will have the /etc/adjtime and UTC > setting corrected. > Then we'll see if "time problem" persists. > > > --- On Sat, 8/15/09, James Cameron wrote: > > > From: James Cameron > > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones > > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > > Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:27 PM > > Yioryos, when you changed > > /etc/localtime did you also change > > /etc/sysconfig/clock? > > > > Did the symptom (unexplained change of system time after a > > few hours of > > charging) only ever follow your change to /etc/localtime? > > > > Others ... what is the *correct* method to change operating > > system > > timezone? > > > > -- > > James Cameron > > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From bobbypowers at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 14:40:48 2009 From: bobbypowers at gmail.com (Bobby Powers) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:40:48 -0400 Subject: Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu Message-ID: <23e2e54b0908170740g376c58cay6ee44a3d575e0f8d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, m_stone and I were attempting to get a mock Rawhide chroot setup the other night (for testing the latest Sugar rpms in a confined way) and ran into several blocking issues related to recent changes in Fedora's RPM packaging setup. The first was the use of XZ compression for RPMs, which the Debian rpm package didn't have support for. This seems to be fixed in the latest rpm package in unstable [1], and we were able to independently rebuild the .deb with support for it as well. The next problem was that Fedora seems to have enabled (and be using) Lua scripting in RPMs. This seems to be a fairly old [2] and unknown [3] feature of RPM that is just beginning to be used. Debian is actually missing some of the Lua packages (posix and regex) needed to enable this support, as noted in [4][5][6]. This testing was done in Debian Sid and Ubuntu Karmic. While I had heard about the move to XZ compression, I had not heard about the decision to enable Lua support in base packages (i.e. bash [7]). Both of these changes to the features used in RPMs broke Debian's (and presumably everyone else's) packages of RPM. Is there a low-volume list or wiki page where changes like these are posted so that we don't have to discover them on our own? yours, Bobby [1] - http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/rpm/rpm_4.7.1-1/changelog [2] - http://blog.labix.org/2004/03/23/embedding-lua-interpreter-into-rpm [3] - http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/RpmLua [4] - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538207 [5] - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538232 [6] - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538230 [7] - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=124495 - seems to indicate that bash started using Lua scripting in January '09, which probably means that F11 packaging is 'broken' under Debian as well. Debian's mock package is somewhat out of date, as it doesn't have config files for releases past F8. From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 17 14:56:09 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:41:09 +0545 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <17425.1250516910@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <975369.94109.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <17425.1250516910@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <818423da0908170756ne980017l3c2a8e55aaf7b0e7@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/17 Paul Fox : > when describing your problems, you need to be explicit as > to which of those you're referring to. ?"date" reports system time, and is affected by the TZ environment variable, which Sugar (I think) is supposed to set. So you should also say if you're reading the time from inside or outside of sugar, which user you were running as, and if you had used any environment-resetting tools (e.g. su/sudo) beforehand. Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 17 15:02:06 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:47:06 +0545 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <17425.1250516910@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <975369.94109.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <17425.1250516910@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <818423da0908170802i8e2a7fehf4952f2065402a2c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/17 Paul Fox : > does anyone know who creates /etc/sysconfig/clock? ?on the XO, UTC > should be 'true'. kickstart does, so I just fixed this in git for the next build Daniel From pgf at laptop.org Mon Aug 17 15:04:47 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:04:47 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <818423da0908170802i8e2a7fehf4952f2065402a2c@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090817_110232_701280_5A9839EF) References: <975369.94109.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <17425.1250516910@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <818423da0908170802i8e2a7fehf4952f2065402a2c@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090817_110232_701280_5A9839EF) Message-ID: <20156.1250521487@foxharp.boston.ma.us> daniel wrote: > 2009/8/17 Paul Fox : > > does anyone know who creates /etc/sysconfig/clock? ?on the XO, UTC > > should be 'true'. > > kickstart does, so I just fixed this in git for the next build thanks! =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From dsd at laptop.org Mon Aug 17 15:22:45 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:07:45 +0545 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> Message-ID: <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/17 Art Hunkins : > I'm dealing with another issue as well - one that is equally important: 4:3 > va. 16:9 displays. All my text has to be on a single screen; but 4:3 screens > will display more *lines* than 16:9. What I'm trying to do is for my script > to query for screen size (Walter showed me how - thanks, Walter!), and > depending on the answer, compress some of the text so that it takes fewer > lines. > > As a result, my script will need to determine the following: > a) XO or not - result: set appropriate font size > b) 4:3 or 16:9 - result: set appropriate font size (there *appears* to be a > difference here, unfortunately - I've yet to figure out this disparity), and > adjust number of lines and/or font size for selected text. This is a bad approach. If filling the screen (or an area of it) is important to you, then you should render some text using the font and measure it's size, then adjust accordingly. Measure is one example of an activity that does this. Otherwise, the only thing that is safe to assume is that 1 point means 1/72 of an inch. This alone is meaningless though, you should also consider the size of the screen to see if that would feel proportionally OK, and you also have to consider how far you expect the user to be sitting from the screen. Size 10pt on the XO looks uncomfortably large, but measure it and you'll see that it's exactly the same size as size 10 on your regular monitor, where it looks fine. The difference is that the XO screen is proportionally much smaller and you generally sit closer to it. The approach I'm advocating here is that nobody is encouraged to mess with DPI (and Sugar does not touch this). Instead, Sugar ships a default font and size setting (e.g. Sans 10) but allows it to be easily overridable by deployments. Additionally the numeric part of this can be changed through 2 new buttons in the control panel: "Make fonts smaller" and "Make fonts bigger." But this has not been implemented yet. Daniel From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 17 15:30:54 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:30:54 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <2d319b780908170829j7d28c25ascda65ee61fd3d253@mail.gmail.com> References: <23e2e54b0908170740g376c58cay6ee44a3d575e0f8d@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170829j7d28c25ascda65ee61fd3d253@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780908170830q1043c889ib742233fc7f2b9d@mail.gmail.com> And once again, I reply only to the sender and forget the others -_- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) Date: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 17:29 Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu To: Bobby Powers > Is there a > low-volume list or wiki page where changes like these are posted so > that we don't have to discover them on our own? For Fedora issues, you could join fedora-devel-announce [1] where such changes are generally announced. However, this list speaks about major announcement impacting a big part of the distro (like RPM moving to XZ payloads). You talk about the bash package. If this is (as I understand it) a simple packaging decision, then it might not be announced on f-d-a as it doesn't really impact the whole distro. In such a case, I'm afraid your best bet would be fedora-extras-commits [2], which is a rather high traffic mailing list :-/ Best regards, [1] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce [2] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-extras-commits ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From bobbypowers at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 15:53:07 2009 From: bobbypowers at gmail.com (Bobby Powers) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:53:07 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <2d319b780908170830q1043c889ib742233fc7f2b9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <23e2e54b0908170740g376c58cay6ee44a3d575e0f8d@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170829j7d28c25ascda65ee61fd3d253@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170830q1043c889ib742233fc7f2b9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23e2e54b0908170853x7b491670l5bdbb7ed5c61d034@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > And once again, I reply only to the sender and forget the others -_- > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > Date: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 17:29 > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in > Debian/Ubuntu > To: Bobby Powers > > >> Is there a >> low-volume list or wiki page where changes like these are posted so >> that we don't have to discover them on our own? > > For Fedora issues, you could join fedora-devel-announce [1] where such > changes are generally announced. > > However, this list speaks about major announcement impacting a big > part of the distro (like RPM moving to XZ payloads). You talk about > the bash package. If this is (as I understand it) a simple packaging > decision, then it might not be announced on f-d-a as it doesn't really > impact the whole distro. In such a case, I'm afraid your best bet > would be fedora-extras-commits [2], which is a rather high traffic > mailing list :-/ bash was just an example (there were a few others that were blocking my "mock --init -r fedora-devel-x86_64" success, but I don't remember them offhand). I seem to remember using Debian's mock to initialize an F9 environment, which suggests that there weren't any major packages using Lua scripting at that point (mock in Debian is currently built without Lua support). I suppose the question is better stated as 'since when has Fedora supported/enabled Lua support in RPM packages, and where was this change posted?' Quick google searching didn't seem to turn up anything relevant, nor does the rpm changelog [1] (suggesting its been supported for a while?). Bobby 1 - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=127306 > Best regards, > > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce > [2] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-extras-commits > > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > > > > -- > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From mikus at bga.com Mon Aug 17 15:17:44 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:17:44 -0400 Subject: What level Sugar Activities on F11 ? Message-ID: <4A897498.6030805@bga.com> I asked once before, but got no answer: | When the XO-1.5 on F11 software is eventually deployed (e.g., | installed by the factory), what level of Sugar will it provide ? I just installed 'write-66.xo' on a Parrish XO-1 build on my XO-1. It failed to launch, because its python code could not find any module called 'toolbarbox' (to import classes from). I see that the recent SoaS3 build (which has a preliminary Sugar 0.86) provides a 'toolbarbox' module - but Sugar 0.84, which is what the Parrish XO-1 builds have, does not. What I want to know is whether it would be worthwhile for me to sooner or later try out 'write-66', or whether I should plan to do my XO Activity testing only with 0.84-compatible Activity versions. Please: Is XO-1.5 software expected to run Activities marked "for 0.86" ? Thanks, mikus From sayamindu at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 16:24:00 2009 From: sayamindu at gmail.com (Sayamindu Dasgupta) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:54:00 +0530 Subject: What level Sugar Activities on F11 ? In-Reply-To: <4A897498.6030805@bga.com> References: <4A897498.6030805@bga.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > I asked once before, but got no answer: > > | When the XO-1.5 on F11 software is eventually deployed (e.g., > | installed by the factory), what level of Sugar will it provide ? > > I just installed 'write-66.xo' on a Parrish XO-1 build on my XO-1. > It failed to launch, because its python code could not find any module > called ?'toolbarbox' (to import classes from). > > I see that the recent SoaS3 build (which has a preliminary Sugar 0.86) > provides a 'toolbarbox' module - but Sugar 0.84, which is what the Parrish > XO-1 builds have, does not. ?What I want to know is whether it would be > worthwhile for me to sooner or later try out 'write-66', or whether I should > plan to do my XO Activity testing only with 0.84-compatible Activity > versions. > > > Please: > > Is XO-1.5 software expected to run Activities marked "for 0.86" ? > > If we are shipping Sugar 0.84, the answer is no (due to API incompatibility). The current build tools pulls in the latest stable activities from ASLO somewhat blindly (as per my understanding), and I have a way to fix that. I'll commit the changes after some more tests (ETA: end of this week) Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 17 16:34:35 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:34:35 +0200 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <23e2e54b0908170853x7b491670l5bdbb7ed5c61d034@mail.gmail.com> References: <23e2e54b0908170740g376c58cay6ee44a3d575e0f8d@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170829j7d28c25ascda65ee61fd3d253@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170830q1043c889ib742233fc7f2b9d@mail.gmail.com> <23e2e54b0908170853x7b491670l5bdbb7ed5c61d034@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780908170934o6ed7227h35fdd6cc7b18bd63@mail.gmail.com> > ?I suppose the question is > better stated as 'since when has Fedora supported/enabled Lua support > in RPM packages, and where was this change posted?' ?Quick google > searching didn't seem to turn up anything relevant, nor does the rpm > changelog [1] (suggesting its been supported for a while?). That I can't tell you. I guess your question would be better answered on fedora-devel: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list However, is the "since when" really that important? I guess rebuilding mock in Debian with Lua enabled would fix the issue right? ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From mavrothal at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 17:06:40 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones In-Reply-To: <17425.1250516910@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <331732.90624.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Paul Fox wrote: > From: Paul Fox > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-timezones > To: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:48 AM > hi yioryos -- > > yioryos wrote: > > I have very limited wifi access so let me answer for > the record some of your > > questions > > I see time either by 'date' or 'hwclock' in the > terminal > > when describing your problems, you need to be explicit as > to which of those you're referring to.? "date" reports > system time, > and "hwclock" reports what the RTC says.? in addition, > you should > tell us whether you're using "--utc" or "--local" to > hwclock (or, > if neither, tell us the contents of /etc/adjtime).? > hwclock will > report different times depending on those options. Sorry I didn't know. I use neither option. The "date" time is where I see the arbitrary changes. I did report the content of /etc/adjtime in a previous post. > > > I change /etc/localtime by cp or ln -s the > respective > > /usr/share/zoneinfo file > > I did not change the /etc/sysconfig/clock file that > reads: > > ZONE="US/Eastern" > > UTC=False > > does anyone know who creates /etc/sysconfig/clock?? on > the XO, UTC > should be 'true'. > > paul > > > The arbitrary time change does not follow after > changes in /etc/localtime. > > There the time changes as expected but is still off > by certain > > hours.? I can not find a pattern for the clock > changing point. > > I looked at 00:00 and 12:00 GMT, hwclock and > localtime and at > > 24h after last ntp update. > > I list the last line of the binary /etc/localtime > file because it does shows > > the timezone in use by that file. > > Sorry if I missed something > > Hopefully the next build will have the /etc/adjtime > and UTC > > setting corrected. > > Then we'll see if "time problem" persists. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/15/09, James Cameron > wrote: > > > > > From: James Cameron > > > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build > 5-timezones > > > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > > > Cc: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > > > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:27 PM > > > Yioryos, when you changed > > > /etc/localtime did you also change > > > /etc/sysconfig/clock? > > > > > > Did the symptom (unexplained change of system > time after a > > > few hours of > > > charging) only ever follow your change to > /etc/localtime? > > > > > > Others ... what is the *correct* method to > change operating > > > system > > > timezone? > > > > > > -- > > > James Cameron > > > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From mavrothal at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 17:15:17 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap In-Reply-To: <4A888493.3080908@bga.com> Message-ID: <889621.96388.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > From: Mikus Grinbergs > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap > To: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 6:13 PM > Yioryos wrote > > Here is another one > > A problem I had with all the F11-XO1/osN (2,4 and 5) > builds is that often > > they'll refuse to boot pass the "loading initrd.img" > step because apparently > > they have a problem with the swap partition I have in > my SDcard as I guess > > from the tail dmesg after a failed boot, shown below. > > I always have a swap partition.? I have never noticed > a boot failing due to the handling of that swap partition. > That's good to hear. However, even if we assume that this is a peculiarity of the specific card that I'm using that fact remains that is handled worse in the F11 builds than the F9 builds. As I said swap handling is certainly not the utmost priority so I wouldn't invest a lot on it, particularly since I can easily correct it. I just note it here so if unexpected boot failures appear people might remember to ask for swap files too. > mikus > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From bobbypowers at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:10:24 2009 From: bobbypowers at gmail.com (Bobby Powers) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:10:24 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <2d319b780908170934o6ed7227h35fdd6cc7b18bd63@mail.gmail.com> References: <23e2e54b0908170740g376c58cay6ee44a3d575e0f8d@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170829j7d28c25ascda65ee61fd3d253@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170830q1043c889ib742233fc7f2b9d@mail.gmail.com> <23e2e54b0908170853x7b491670l5bdbb7ed5c61d034@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170934o6ed7227h35fdd6cc7b18bd63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23e2e54b0908171110g7c7c25c4hc591e91873d5cde7@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> ?I suppose the question is >> better stated as 'since when has Fedora supported/enabled Lua support >> in RPM packages, and where was this change posted?' ?Quick google >> searching didn't seem to turn up anything relevant, nor does the rpm >> changelog [1] (suggesting its been supported for a while?). > > That I can't tell you. I guess your question would be better answered > on fedora-devel: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > > However, is the "since when" really that important? I guess rebuilding > mock in Debian with Lua enabled would fix the issue right? Yes, that would fix the issue. I suppose what is important is that it is a change to the Fedora rpm format which breaks other distributions ability to read/use Fedora rpms which doesn't seem to be documented or announced anywhere. Admittedly, I will probably have a better chance of getting in touch with the right people on fedora-devel, its just a minor annoyance. Thanks for your help so far! (sincerely, not sarcasticly) yours, Bobby > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > From pbrobinson at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:23:35 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:23:35 +0100 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Fedora's RPM format changes break mock in Debian/Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <23e2e54b0908171110g7c7c25c4hc591e91873d5cde7@mail.gmail.com> References: <23e2e54b0908170740g376c58cay6ee44a3d575e0f8d@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170829j7d28c25ascda65ee61fd3d253@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170830q1043c889ib742233fc7f2b9d@mail.gmail.com> <23e2e54b0908170853x7b491670l5bdbb7ed5c61d034@mail.gmail.com> <2d319b780908170934o6ed7227h35fdd6cc7b18bd63@mail.gmail.com> <23e2e54b0908171110g7c7c25c4hc591e91873d5cde7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5256d0b0908171123l408a776n7b1a22117dda1d46@mail.gmail.com> > (bochecha) wrote: >>> ?I suppose the question is >>> better stated as 'since when has Fedora supported/enabled Lua support >>> in RPM packages, and where was this change posted?' ?Quick google >>> searching didn't seem to turn up anything relevant, nor does the rpm >>> changelog [1] (suggesting its been supported for a while?). >> >> That I can't tell you. I guess your question would be better answered >> on fedora-devel: >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list >> >> However, is the "since when" really that important? I guess rebuilding >> mock in Debian with Lua enabled would fix the issue right? > > Yes, that would fix the issue. ?I suppose what is important is that it > is a change to the Fedora rpm format which breaks other distributions > ability to read/use Fedora rpms which doesn't seem to be documented or > announced anywhere. ?Admittedly, I will probably have a better chance > of getting in touch with the right people on fedora-devel, its just a > minor annoyance. ?Thanks for your help so far! (sincerely, not > sarcasticly) TBH I'm having issues building things in mock on Fedora 11 at the moment so its probably not just an issue with using mock in debian! Peter From mikus at bga.com Mon Aug 17 17:52:18 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:52:18 -0400 Subject: rpm/yum hurdles Message-ID: <4A8998D2.1070207@bga.com> Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; I'm sharing my experiences. (Triggered by the recent mention of rpm formats) I'm surprised that for a number of days the 'glibc-common' package in the F11 updates repository has had a "header problem", without that problem being addressed. 'yum' says that there is a dependency conflict concerning glibc-common, and won't update it. I was able to install the recent F11 'glibc' update by myself manually downloading it and glibc-common, and using 'rpm' to install them simultaneously -- but even then 'rpm' told me its post-processing of glibc-common failed. I guess I must be the only person using XOs to be a heavy user of 'yum' (for instance, I run 'yum upgrade' daily against all my XOs). I would have thought "hurdles" with updating F11 would have been noticed (and fixed) in the wider (beyond XO) Fedora community. mikus From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Mon Aug 17 19:00:07 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:00:07 +0200 Subject: rpm/yum hurdles In-Reply-To: <4A8998D2.1070207@bga.com> References: <4A8998D2.1070207@bga.com> Message-ID: <2d319b780908171200p57d0c1a8j616e7163a9e4d8ad@mail.gmail.com> > (Triggered by the recent mention of rpm formats) ?I'm surprised that for a > number of days the 'glibc-common' package in the F11 updates repository has > had a "header problem", without that problem being addressed. ?'yum' says > that there is a dependency conflict concerning glibc-common, and won't > update it. ?I was able to install the recent F11 'glibc' update by myself > manually downloading it and glibc-common, and using 'rpm' to install them > simultaneously -- but even then 'rpm' told me its post-processing of > glibc-common failed. That's weird, I haven't had this problem, and I didn't even heard of anyone having this issue. Could you paste the whole error message ? > I would have thought "hurdles" with updating F11 would have been noticed > (and fixed) in the wider (beyond XO) Fedora community. They usually are. As I said, I haven't heard of anyone encountering this issue. Best regards, ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) From mikus at bga.com Mon Aug 17 20:04:09 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:04:09 -0400 Subject: What level Sugar Activities on F11 ? Message-ID: <4A89B7B9.1070000@bga.com> >> Is XO-1.5 software expected to run Activities marked "for 0.86" ? > > If we are shipping Sugar 0.84, the answer is no (due to API incompatibility). > The current build tools pulls in the latest stable activities from > ASLO somewhat blindly (as per my understanding) I am interpreting this answer to say: ASLO needs to declare a Sugar version to be stable, in time for it to be picked up by the XO-1.5 build tools. Whatever "stable" Sugar version gets picked by XO-1.5, the Activities to be used with XO-1.5 need to be compatible with the picked Sugar version. The current "stable" Sugar version being picked up by the XO-1.5 tools is 0.84. So it comes down to the ASLO "release" date (published 0.86 target is September), vs. the XO-1.5 "release" (to production) date (published target is "later in 2009"). "Test time" against 0.84 is accumulating -- but "test time" against 0.86 appears doubtful. Unless something to the contrary gets announced, I'll continue by __IGNORING__ Activity versions not marked for 0.82 - 0.84. mikus From cjb at laptop.org Mon Aug 17 21:48:30 2009 From: cjb at laptop.org (Chris Ball) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:48:30 -0400 Subject: What level Sugar Activities on F11 ? In-Reply-To: <4A89B7B9.1070000@bga.com> (Mikus Grinbergs's message of "Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:04:09 -0400") References: <4A89B7B9.1070000@bga.com> Message-ID: Hi Mikus, > So it comes down to the ASLO "release" date (published 0.86 > target is September), vs. the XO-1.5 "release" (to production) > date (published target is "later in 2009"). "Test time" against > 0.84 is accumulating -- but "test time" against 0.86 appears > doubtful. That's right. We plan on shipping 0.84 with the first 1.5 software release, because we'll want a release that's seen lots of testing before deploying it so widely. However, we'll be willing to backport individual patches from 0.86 if they're very useful, so the answer is not as simple as "OLPC will take the 0.84 release and use it unmodified". I think your strategy of concentrating on testing activities that work on 0.84 is a good idea. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball One Laptop Per Child From mavrothal at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 09:23:34 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap Message-ID: <849276.68831.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> OK... my last failed boot was even more interesting... As "usually" booted Ubuntu from the SD-card and removed the swap line from fstab hopping for a recovery, but the system kept loading swap on /dev/mmcblk0p2 as you can see below in the logs and kept failing boot with the "loading ... initrd.img" as the last message on the ofw screen. Logs after loading to Ubuntu and mounting NAND (olpcmtd0) root at OLPC:~# more /media/olpcmtd0/etc/fstab /dev/root / ext3 defaults,noatime 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /tmp /tmp tmpfs rw 0 0 varcacheyum /var/cache/yum tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0 vartmp /var/tmp tmpfs rw 0 0 none /ofw promfs defaults 0 0 root at OLPC:~# tail /media/olpcmtd0/var/log/dmesg [ 19.910660] olpc-ec: received 0x4b [ 19.911678] olpc-ec: received 0xce [ 19.915229] olpc-ec: running cmd 0x15 [ 19.917259] olpc-ec: received 0x41 [ 19.917278] olpc-ec: running cmd 0x18 [ 19.918299] olpc-ec: sending cmd arg 0x5f [ 19.920322] olpc-ec: received 0x22 [ 19.987194] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [ 25.269277] ip used greatest stack depth: 1732 bytes left [ 27.747985] Adding 258040k swap on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:258040k SS _note the "SS" at the end_ normally not present when booting is OK Removing the card altogether, kept failing trying to load the non-existing /dev/mmcblk0p2 swap partition. The "solution" this time was to re-introduce the swap line in fstab and load the card again!!! Pls note that every failure was repeated with the same settings more than once before I changed the settings. So there is something strange with the swap handling and/or dev loading in these builds. It would appear that there is (occasionally generated) a persisting swap loading entry somewhere or swap is not unmounted cleanly or... This independent of the fstab file content. This event is (visually) associated with the inability the boot process to go to the console mode (when pretty boot is inactivated) although the process goes on as evident by the dmesg log. An additional indication about swap/dev handling may be that if you have a swap partition on a card defined in fstab and then remove the card, the messages during boot (pressing the check game key) in udev /etc/fstab swaps show a nice green "[OK]" (!?) where with F9 builds the message was a red "[FAIL]" when the card was missing. I do not know if this is intentional or if it is an F11 or an OFW issue (I'm using q2e41). All I can tell is that in my system occasionally there are issues with the loading of the swap partition that lead to system freezes during boot. Now if this needs further examination, is up to the persons directly involved with the development to decide. From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 10:16:27 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:16:27 +0200 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > The approach I'm advocating here is that nobody is encouraged to mess > with DPI (and Sugar does not touch this). Instead, Sugar ships a I agree with dsd that users should not be able to 'tweak' DPI, but I am also concerned that font sizes may be bumped up or down a bit for the sake of the user. But not to very large values -- if a user needs fonts to be significantly larger, we need to scale the whole UI for that user. The talk about setting different fontsize for XO vs non-XO worries me -- the fontsize should be the same. IMHO. Here are my notes on why -- XO hardware has very odd perceived-dpi vs physical dpi. Technically, we have 200dpi, and that's what X should render. In terms of scaling-for-the-human-user readability tests tell us it's 134/133 dpi. If we have both 'scale' and 'dpi' controls for the whole UI, then we can drive both XO hardware and conventional hardware. We can say - XO screen: rendered DPI 200, scale 150% - Conventional screen: rendered DPI 72, scale 100% This is what currently happens in Browse.xo / hulahop on 802, and results in fairly readable and well proportioned webpages... that were designed for the conventional 72 dpi "100% scaling" screens. Are there similar mechanisms in X/gtk? If we can find (and use!) those, then Sugar will do the right thing across hardware and Gnome and non-Sugar sw will also scale more reasonably on the XO monitor. cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 10:38:17 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:38:17 +0200 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > I agree with dsd that users should not be able to 'tweak' DPI, but I > am also concerned that font sizes may be bumped up or down a bit for > the sake of the user. But not to very large values -- if a user needs > fonts to be significantly larger, we need to scale the whole UI for > that user. IOWs, I pine for this gtk+ v3 patch http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546711 which was introduced with a very insightful discussion thread http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2008-August/msg00044.html see specially http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2008-August/msg00068.html Hmmm. You guys are papering over this gtk shortcoming -- which is bound to be confusing. Here's a candle for GTK+v3 :-) martin -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 18 10:48:16 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:33:16 +0545 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908180348i2aa9a8cfx1b5dd36ed278108f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Martin Langhoff : > IOWs, I pine for this gtk+ v3 patch > > ?http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546711 > > which was introduced with a very insightful discussion thread > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2008-August/msg00044.html This was brought up earlier in the discussion. Yes, it's hopefully the light at the end of the tunnel. > see specially > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2008-August/msg00068.html > > Hmmm. You guys are papering over this gtk shortcoming -- which is > bound to be confusing. Here's a candle for GTK+v3 Feel free to suggest another option that can be implemented today. I feel that my proposal is technically sound given what we have right now, given its simplicity. Don't mess with DPI, just let deployers select font sizes that look good on their target systems, and give the users 2 nice simple buttons: get bigger, get smaller. It's simple and won't eat much developer time. It will allow things to look ok on XO and other platforms as long as there is someone who can select a good default base font size. It also fits nicely into what would come with GTK+3 since you'd just swap the backend control from "font size" to "scale factor" (or whatever equivalent knob comes out of all those discussions). The idea of deployers being able (and often required) to select a good default will remain, along with a dead-simple UI for changing it. It will be also interesting to see what the css/html world comes up with. I've seen a few discussions recently, they too are challenged by being a platform that's spreading to vastly different displays. Daniel From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 11:12:45 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:12:45 +0200 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <818423da0908180348i2aa9a8cfx1b5dd36ed278108f@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908180348i2aa9a8cfx1b5dd36ed278108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90908180412i6eeec9f8qfcf8ad1ecfb7bea5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Feel free to suggest another option that can be implemented today. If there was any good option, Jim Gettys and the various X.org & AMD people would have hit us with a cluebat by now I guess. > I feel that my proposal is technically sound given what we have right > now, given its simplicity. Don't mess with DPI, just let deployers > select font sizes that look good on their target systems, and give the > users 2 nice simple buttons: get bigger, get smaller. It's simple and > won't eat much developer time. It will allow things to look ok on XO > and other platforms as long as there is someone who can select a good > default base font size How about icons and other widgets? Scrollbars are fairly thin for example... > It will be also interesting to see what the css/html world comes up > with. I've seen a few discussions recently, they too are challenged by > being a platform that's spreading to vastly different displays. Been recently discussing this with Rob O'Calahan (gecko layout dev) and Mihai. There is support for the browser to have an adjustable dpi knob (and they have it already) but some serious resistence to have dpi/scale values exposed via CSS and the DOM because that would enable app writers to override, ignore or otherwise mess with something that is seen as a user (or deployer) controlled setting. On other words, the HTML5 people want to keep dpi/scaling values hidden from webapp developers. On a different track, all webbrowsers have some bad bottlenecks when running with dpi or scale values other than 74pi, 100%. Some in the layout, some in the image rendering... cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From mikus at bga.com Tue Aug 18 11:01:29 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:01:29 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap Message-ID: <4A8A8A09.1080101@bga.com> > root at OLPC:~# tail /media/olpcmtd0/var/log/dmesg > [ 25.269277] ip used greatest stack depth: 1732 bytes left > [ 27.747985] Adding 258040k swap on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Priority:-1 extents:1 ac > ross:258040k SS > > _note the "SS" at the end_ normally not present when booting is OK I still think you are mistaken when you blame bootup handling of the swap partition. For instance, I normally have the "SS" at the end of that line in /var/log/dmesg -- yet for me bootup works correctly. [Except (see postscript) I do believe in 'internal timing' hurdles.] My understanding of the way /var/log/dmesg works is that it is "buffered" - the system fills one "buffer" to a certain point, and on the XO [on Fedora?] it then stops writing to /var/log/dmesg (even though if from the command line one issues 'dmesg', what gets shown is additional lines beyond the one where /var/log/dmesg stops). So the LAST line the system writes to the XO /var/log/dmesg file seems to be the one about adding the swap partition -- but my systems then continue bootup (without more lines being added to /var/log/dmesg). That is why I'm not alarmed with you finding that particular line to be the last line in /var/log/dmesg Turns out that the same line is also copied into /var/log/messages. Would you please do 'rm /var/log/messages' (this gives you a clean file - /var/log/messages is otherwise not erased between reboots), and then reboot. After your bootup has stalled, use Ubuntu (or something) to look at /var/log/messages (not just /var/log/dmesg). _IF__ the "time stamp sequence" in /var/log/messages continues beyond the "Adding 25804k swap ..." line - then hooking up the swap partition was *not* the last thing the system tried -- and whatever it did later is also a candidate for "why did bootup stall". mikus p.s. Note that for me, boot-up sometimes stalls with the last line showing on the screen being "loading ... initrd.img" (or whatever it loads). [This is while the screen still has a white background -- I normally press 'check' while booting, so the screen switches to a black background as the bootup progresses.] My XO systems have *lots* of external (USB) devices. I interpret the bootup stalling before the screen can switch to black to be an indication that some sort of 'internal timing' did not work correctly, resulting in something or other not being recognized. What I do in case of such a stall is to pull out one or more USB cables (this seems to affect the 'internal timing') and repeat the bootup from power-on. Sooner or later bootup progresses to the black background screen - then I'm "in like Flynn". From pgf at laptop.org Tue Aug 18 12:22:48 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:22:48 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap In-Reply-To: <4A8A8A09.1080101@bga.com> (sfid-20090818_080334_229065_9B2A11EC) References: <4A8A8A09.1080101@bga.com> (sfid-20090818_080334_229065_9B2A11EC) Message-ID: <16436.1250598168@foxharp.boston.ma.us> mikus wrote: > > root at OLPC:~# tail /media/olpcmtd0/var/log/dmesg > > [ 25.269277] ip used greatest stack depth: 1732 bytes left > > [ 27.747985] Adding 258040k swap on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Priority:-1 extents:1 > ac > > ross:258040k SS > > > > _note the "SS" at the end_ normally not present when booting is OK > > I still think you are mistaken when you blame bootup handling of the > swap partition. For instance, I normally have the "SS" at the end > of that line in /var/log/dmesg -- yet for me bootup works correctly. > [Except (see postscript) I do believe in 'internal timing' hurdles.] > > My understanding of the way /var/log/dmesg works is that it is > "buffered" - the system fills one "buffer" to a certain point, and > on the XO [on Fedora?] it then stops writing to /var/log/dmesg (even > though if from the command line one issues 'dmesg', what gets shown > is additional lines beyond the one where /var/log/dmesg stops). So the dmesg mechanism is even simpler than this. the kernel stores its log in an internal buffer. the dmesg command shows you the contents of that buffer at any point in time. this buffer will eventually fill, and the oldest entries will be overwritten (i.e., it's a circular buffer). at some point during boot, the dmesg command is run, and the output is stored in /var/log/dmesg. the idea is to save the early boot messages, so that they don't get lost when the kernel's internal buffer fills up. paul > the LAST line the system writes to the XO /var/log/dmesg file seems > to be the one about adding the swap partition -- but my systems then > continue bootup (without more lines being added to /var/log/dmesg). > That is why I'm not alarmed with you finding that particular line > to be the last line in /var/log/dmesg > > > Turns out that the same line is also copied into /var/log/messages. > Would you please do 'rm /var/log/messages' (this gives you a clean > file - /var/log/messages is otherwise not erased between reboots), > and then reboot. After your bootup has stalled, use Ubuntu (or > something) to look at /var/log/messages (not just /var/log/dmesg). > _IF__ the "time stamp sequence" in /var/log/messages continues > beyond the "Adding 25804k swap ..." line - then hooking up the swap > partition was *not* the last thing the system tried -- and whatever > it did later is also a candidate for "why did bootup stall". > > mikus > > > p.s. > Note that for me, boot-up sometimes stalls with the last line > showing on the screen being "loading ... initrd.img" (or whatever it > loads). [This is while the screen still has a white background -- I > normally press 'check' while booting, so the screen switches to a > black background as the bootup progresses.] > > My XO systems have *lots* of external (USB) devices. I interpret > the bootup stalling before the screen can switch to black to be an > indication that some sort of 'internal timing' did not work > correctly, resulting in something or other not being recognized. > What I do in case of such a stall is to pull out one or more USB > cables (this seems to affect the 'internal timing') and repeat the > bootup from power-on. Sooner or later bootup progresses to the > black background screen - then I'm "in like Flynn". > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From mavrothal at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 12:51:47 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap In-Reply-To: <4A8A8A09.1080101@bga.com> Message-ID: <622534.20340.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hopefully nobody is in a wild goose chase yet... My system does keep freezing sporadically at the loading initrd.img step but this may not be related to the swap partition (as you suggested) or anyother USB device (since I have non hooked up) When it freezes _NO new dmesg file_ is generated, so what I am seeing is the last entry of the previous, apparently successful, session. The /var/log/messages just has the shoudown sequence from the last boot too. I can only assume at this point that the "recovery" is not really related to fstab, swap or even SDcard but some other reason (init script?) that somehow changes during the repetitive boots in Sugar/Ubuntu, and is as erratic as the freezing itself. Any suggestions on how should I approach/debug this next time it happens will be greatly appreciated. eg are there/can be any logs during the initrd boot stage, even before dmesg gets recorded? --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > From: Mikus Grinbergs > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap > To: fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > Cc: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:01 AM > > root at OLPC:~# tail > /media/olpcmtd0/var/log/dmesg > > [???25.269277] ip used greatest stack > depth: 1732 bytes left > > [???27.747985] Adding 258040k swap on > /dev/mmcblk0p2.? Priority:-1 extents:1 ac > > ross:258040k SS > > > > _note the "SS" at the end_ normally not present when > booting is OK > > I still think you are mistaken when you blame bootup > handling of the swap partition.? For instance, I > normally have the "SS" at the end of that line in > /var/log/dmesg -- yet for me bootup works correctly. > [Except (see postscript) I do believe in 'internal timing' > hurdles.] > > My understanding of the way /var/log/dmesg works is that it > is "buffered" - the system fills one "buffer" to a certain > point, and on the XO [on Fedora?] it then stops writing to > /var/log/dmesg (even though if from the command line one > issues 'dmesg', what gets shown is additional lines beyond > the one where /var/log/dmesg stops).? So the LAST line > the system writes to the XO /var/log/dmesg file seems to be > the one about adding the swap partition -- but my systems > then continue bootup (without more lines being added to > /var/log/dmesg).? That is why I'm not alarmed with you > finding that particular line to be the last line in > /var/log/dmesg > > > Turns out that the same line is also copied into > /var/log/messages.? Would you please do 'rm > /var/log/messages' (this gives you a clean file - > /var/log/messages is otherwise not erased between reboots), > and then reboot.? After your bootup has stalled, use > Ubuntu (or something) to look at /var/log/messages (not just > /var/log/dmesg). _IF__ the "time stamp sequence" in > /var/log/messages continues beyond the "Adding 25804k swap > ..." line - then hooking up the swap partition was *not* the > last thing the system tried -- and whatever it did later is > also a candidate for "why did bootup stall". > > mikus > > > p.s. > Note that for me, boot-up sometimes stalls with the last > line showing on the screen being "loading ... initrd.img" > (or whatever it loads).? [This is while the screen > still has a white background -- I normally press 'check' > while booting, so the screen switches to a black background > as the bootup progresses.] > > My XO systems have *lots* of external (USB) devices.? > I interpret the bootup stalling before the screen can switch > to black to be an indication that some sort of 'internal > timing' did not work correctly, resulting in something or > other not being recognized. What I do in case of such a > stall is to pull out one or more USB cables (this seems to > affect the 'internal timing') and repeat the bootup from > power-on.? Sooner or later bootup progresses to the > black background screen - then I'm "in like Flynn". > > From quozl at laptop.org Tue Aug 18 12:54:05 2009 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:54:05 +1000 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 build 5-swap In-Reply-To: <849276.68831.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <849276.68831.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090818125405.GA4574@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 02:23:34AM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > OK... my last failed boot was even more interesting... > As "usually" booted Ubuntu from the SD-card and removed the swap line > from fstab hopping for a recovery, but the system kept loading swap on > /dev/mmcblk0p2 as you can see below in the logs and kept failing boot > with the "loading ... initrd.img" as the last message on the ofw > screen. I'm not sure we support Ubuntu here, but the symptom you describe above "loading ... initrd.img as the last message" is consistent with a kernel that is not configured to display any messages on the frame buffer console. This can happen regardless of swap issues. > Logs after loading to Ubuntu and mounting NAND (olpcmtd0) > root at OLPC:~# more /media/olpcmtd0/etc/fstab > /dev/root / ext3 defaults,noatime 0 0 > devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > /tmp /tmp tmpfs rw 0 0 > varcacheyum /var/cache/yum tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0 > vartmp /var/tmp tmpfs rw 0 0 > none /ofw promfs defaults 0 0 There is no explicit mounting of a swap partition. This is consistent with the /etc/fstab of os5 on my units. > root at OLPC:~# tail /media/olpcmtd0/var/log/dmesg > [ 19.910660] olpc-ec: received 0x4b > [ 19.911678] olpc-ec: received 0xce > [ 19.915229] olpc-ec: running cmd 0x15 > [ 19.917259] olpc-ec: received 0x41 > [ 19.917278] olpc-ec: running cmd 0x18 > [ 19.918299] olpc-ec: sending cmd arg 0x5f > [ 19.920322] olpc-ec: received 0x22 > [ 19.987194] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice > [ 25.269277] ip used greatest stack depth: 1732 bytes left > [ 27.747985] Adding 258040k swap on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:258040k SS > > _note the "SS" at the end_ normally not present when booting is OK Looks fine to me. /var/log/dmesg is a copy of the kernel ring buffer at the time the syslog starts. Once the copy is made, it is not changed until the next boot. You can see where this is done at line 815 of the file /etc/rc.sysinit. > Removing the card altogether, kept failing trying to load the > non-existing /dev/mmcblk0p2 swap partition. What makes you think that? > So there is something strange with the swap handling and/or dev > loading in these builds. I've analysed the initrd.img from os5, it contains no explicit scripted swapon. /etc/fstab contains no swap. /etc/init.d/ contains no swapon except for the halt. The only place that swapon is done is in /etc/rc.sysinit. > It would appear that there is (occasionally > generated) a persisting swap loading entry somewhere or swap is not > unmounted cleanly Swap cannot be unmounted cleanly ... swap consists of a partition with a swap signature, and the existence of the signature is the only important thing. The signature can be created using mkswap. I think you are looking at a /var/log/dmesg file from a previous successful boot! Check the md5sum or date next time. > This event is (visually) associated with the inability the boot > process to go to the console mode (when pretty boot is inactivated) > although the process goes on as evident by the dmesg log. Again, it merely sounds like a kernel that is not presenting any messages on the frame buffer. Have you attached a serial console? > An additional indication about swap/dev handling may be that if you > have a swap partition on a card defined in fstab and then remove the > card, the messages during boot (pressing the check game key) in udev > /etc/fstab swaps show a nice green "[OK]" (!?) where with F9 builds > the message was a red "[FAIL]" when the card was missing. The detection and mapping of swap partitions in F11 XO1 os5 is handled by /etc/rc.sysinit, which uses "swapon -a -e" ... and -e is --ifexists, which means "Silently skip devices that do not exist." Therefore [FAIL] will no longer appear. This seems fine. I agree with Mikus ... you have a symptom "failure to boot" and you have focused on an incorrect sign ... namely the swap partition messages found at the end of a known terminated log file /var/log/dmesg. And the log file you were looking at is out of date. > I do not know if this is intentional or if it is an F11 or an OFW > issue (I'm using q2e41). It certainly won't have anything to do with OFW! > All I can tell is that in my system > occasionally there are issues with the loading of the swap partition > that lead to system freezes during boot. It seems much more likely that you have a jffs2 problem or something else is preventing boot from completing. And you don't have a log of the boot yet to find out what is causing it. > Now if this needs further examination, is up to the persons directly > involved with the development to decide. I'm not directly involved with the development of F11, but I think you haven't captured enough technical detail yet on this problem to make it possible for it to be further examined. I don't see this problem happening on the units that I have running os5. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From walter.bender at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 17:15:07 2009 From: walter.bender at gmail.com (Walter Bender) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:15:07 -0400 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908180348i2aa9a8cfx1b5dd36ed278108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am imagining that the motivation for putting some level of system control (hints) on the font size is to account for accessibility. A 6-year old child with a vision problem may need a larger font. An activity should be able to access this suggestion from the system, but need not take any action. Re your basic problem of differentiating between screen types, did not my suggestion from last week work? -walter On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Art Hunkins wrote: > I'm thoroughly confused and frustrated. > > My POV: I'm authoring an Activity *today*. I'd like it to look good on all > XO and (other) Sugar on a Stick screens (monitors) *today*. My activity is > entirely text-based, is a single fixed screen, and fills that screen. It is > also in English, and I think it unlikely to translate to other languages. > Please excuse me: I'm not a Suger developer, nor a Linux guru; I'm just > struggling with a couple of python scripts. > > I am lukewarm at best to having a user option in Control Panel to make font > size smaller or larger. (Please count me as a -1 for this suggestion.) For > *my* activity, this would only allow kids to make text too small to read, or > possibly overflow the screen - ruining my considerable effort to achieve > maximum readability. OTOH, hardly any child will try this; certainly no > author should *expect* a 6-year-old to have to change font size to make > their activity "readable." So, this issue matters rather little to me. > > I write my activities on the XO-1, *for* the XO. I hope there is no change > of default font or font size for the XO series. If there *is* a change, my > activity won't look right, nor, I suspect, would other activities with > substantial text (especially fixed screen - no scrolling). I plan to make > sure my screens stay the way I want, by specifying font size (thus hopefully > overriding any change in system default). > > Basically, I strongly feel that *authors* - not users, not the system > (including upstream), nor even deployments - should determine their basic > screen layouts. "One size" certainly does *not* fit all; and any/all > defaults should be overridable by authors in their scripts. It should be the > *author's* responsibility to make their activities look right on various > monitors. > > As I see it, as far as text is concerned, the only real tool the author has > is font size. And the same font size does not fill up the screen for both > XO-1 and a larger SoaS monitor. (And I *want* it to fill both screens.) So I > need to (and can) determine which kind of screen I'm dealing with (either > XO, non-XO 4:3 or non-XO 16:9) and specify font size per screen type. > > Again I ask: given that *I* want to control display characteristics, should > the above strategy work, and be compatible with the changes in F11 fonts > being considered? Or is there a better way (*now*)? I've put in over a year > of my life already on this project, and would like to get it out the door > sometime soon. (Can you tell I'm frustrated?!) > > Art Hunkins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Drake" > To: "Martin Langhoff" > Cc: "Art Hunkins" ; ; > > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts > > > 2009/8/18 Martin Langhoff : >> IOWs, I pine for this gtk+ v3 patch >> >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546711 >> >> which was introduced with a very insightful discussion thread >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2008-August/msg00044.html > > This was brought up earlier in the discussion. Yes, it's hopefully the > light at the end of the tunnel. > >> see specially >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2008-August/msg00068.html >> >> Hmmm. You guys are papering over this gtk shortcoming -- which is >> bound to be confusing. Here's a candle for GTK+v3 > > Feel free to suggest another option that can be implemented today. > > I feel that my proposal is technically sound given what we have right > now, given its simplicity. Don't mess with DPI, just let deployers > select font sizes that look good on their target systems, and give the > users 2 nice simple buttons: get bigger, get smaller. It's simple and > won't eat much developer time. It will allow things to look ok on XO > and other platforms as long as there is someone who can select a good > default base font size. > > It also fits nicely into what would come with GTK+3 since you'd just > swap the backend control from "font size" to "scale factor" (or > whatever equivalent knob comes out of all those discussions). The idea > of deployers being able (and often required) to select a good default > will remain, along with a dead-simple UI for changing it. > > It will be also interesting to see what the css/html world comes up > with. I've seen a few discussions recently, they too are challenged by > being a platform that's spreading to vastly different displays. > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 18 17:19:32 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:04:32 +0545 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908180348i2aa9a8cfx1b5dd36ed278108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908181019n585a3dc0q5a3bb6b21756ac0b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Art Hunkins : > I'm thoroughly confused and frustrated. > > My POV: I'm authoring an Activity *today*. I'd like it to look good on all > XO and (other) Sugar on a Stick screens (monitors) *today*. I think you're out of luck then. You could detect the XO somehow and choose a good setting that works there, but as for all of the SoaS machines in the world, they all have different displays and there isn't going to be one default setting that looks good on them all (hence our discussion of making this customizable by deployers and users). Unless you want to place a personal guarantee that you'll purchase any display that any SoaS user is ever possibly going to use, before they use it. and even then you aren't considering the quality of the users eyesight or the distance they will sit from the monitor. > I am lukewarm at best to having a user option in Control Panel to make font > size smaller or larger. (Please count me as a -1 for this suggestion.) For > *my* activity, this would only allow kids to make text too small to read, or > possibly overflow the screen If the user clicks "make text smaller" to the point where the font is too small to read then that's their problem, not yours, and they'll hopefully realise that they can fix the situation by clicking the "make text bigger" button. If they make it so big that you run out of space in your activity, you could dynamically add scroll bars. If it really is important that you fill the screen with text without scroll bars, then your activity would be an exceptional case that ignores the Sugar font size setting, and instead dynamically calculates the font point size needed to make the text fill the screen nicely. > Basically, I strongly feel that *authors* - not users, not the system > (including upstream), nor even deployments - should determine their basic > screen layouts. "One size" certainly does *not* fit all; and any/all > defaults should be overridable by authors in their scripts. It should be the > *author's* responsibility to make their activities look right on various > monitors. I disagree. This is an impractical responsibility to pass on. However, activity authors can of course render any graphics that they like, at any size, including fonts. They do not have to obey the font sizes suggested by Sugar, as is the situation now (sugar provides one font size in the GTK+ RC and another in profile.py but you can actually use any font size that you want). Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 18 17:26:23 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:11:23 +0545 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908180348i2aa9a8cfx1b5dd36ed278108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908181026h1f172d2cw63b59eaa52cae902@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Art Hunkins : > I write my activities on the XO-1, *for* the XO. I hope there is no change > of default font or font size for the XO series. If there *is* a change, my > activity won't look right, nor, I suspect, would other activities with > substantial text then we're in agreement on the main item of discussion here: a size 10 font should always be 10/72 inches, and we shouldn't encourage users to set fictional DPI values to customize their font tastes (which would break that assumption) :) From dsd at laptop.org Tue Aug 18 17:32:55 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:17:55 +0545 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <46a038f90908180412i6eeec9f8qfcf8ad1ecfb7bea5@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <82891173EED448FF82B23C8CA6F1F484@Art> <818423da0908170822s318304a2h20788f673aaed55d@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180316l34d604dbh20121387060ee196@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180338i5d4ec25fq6a22c30850c296d4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908180348i2aa9a8cfx1b5dd36ed278108f@mail.gmail.com> <46a038f90908180412i6eeec9f8qfcf8ad1ecfb7bea5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908181032q26e9a203hf255682c7915d8c6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Martin Langhoff : > How about icons and other widgets? Scrollbars are fairly thin for example... We don't have a solution there yet. but this is about fonts. feel free to open a new thread about other stuff :) daniel From mikus at bga.com Tue Aug 18 20:02:24 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:02:24 -0400 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts Message-ID: <4A8B08D0.4080500@bga.com> Comments from an user: I'm perfectly content to *modify* settings myself, to achieve what I consider a readable screen. What gets me worked up is that I __do not know__ where all those settings are, nor *which* setting affects which significant portion of what I am looking at. So please, in your discussions, explicitly __mention__ the particular settings you know about. [ BTW, I consider my eyes to be "weak". Therefore I run (if I know how) every screen on every machine (including Linux) with larger text than what developers had in mind. The principal disadvantage to this is that all too often the software sets up too small an screen area to hold the complete text, if that text is over-sized. ] The discussion of this topic has mainly addressed Sugar. There are three principal areas of Sugar font usage that interest me: * The text size shown within an Activity-drawn screen. The Activity I use the most is Terminal. For it, I manually set the font size by modifying ~/.sugar/default/terminalrc. It is likely that I would want to change other Activities' font sizes as well, if I started to use those Activities more. * The text size used by Sugar for the drop-down palettes in Home View. On some builds, I have been able to influence this in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/graphics/style.py. I seem to recall that on some builds, this change also affected the font size used for entries in Journal View -- but then again, I seem to recall other builds in which changing style.py didn't change the font size used by Journal. It would be nice if I knew for sure how (independently - e.g., without affecting Terminal) to change the font size used by Journal. * There is a third area in which Sugar chooses the font size to show - text associated with things in the top edge of the screen (e.g., the "search" field in the List panel of Home View). So far, I've just accepted whatever Sugar does there. But there is another complete set of facilities to be considered - applications "imported" from Linux. On cjb's 'rawhide-xo' builds, I was able to go into Gnome and modify "appearance settings", some of which were picked up by Linux applications launched from Terminal. My most recent struggle has been with the 'Menu Bar' in (the latest) Firefox (launched from Terminal). This text size on XO (I believe defined from the system, not by the application) simply takes up too much room. And I have as yet not found a way to make it smaller. It would be nice to have "make text larger/smaller" controls. But different text sizes are used by the system in different places -- it might require a separate "optional palette entry" for each of those places to be able to adjust them all. [Also, if adjustments are allowed, please provide a large range of adjustments. I hate it when "zoom in" supports only two additional text sizes.] mikus From mikus at bga.com Tue Aug 18 21:05:29 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:05:29 -0400 Subject: What level Sugar Activities on F11 ? Message-ID: <4A8B1799.8030602@bga.com> > ASLO is naive about stable vs unstable platforms. Instead, when a > Sugar Client pings ASLO for update information, it sends a string > identifing which version of Sugar is running on the client. ASLO then > responds by sending a link to the most appropriate update for a the > given version of Sugar which the client is running. I think that "single click" design is quite appropriate for kids who are not concerned with "what level of Sugar does my system have ?" I have my own preference -- "Mother, I'll do it myself !!!". Plus the Sugar Client doesn't know about proxies, so mine can't ping ASLO for update information. Plus the Activity updates I fetch get installed onto my "permanent" SD card, not through the Journal. Plus from hour to hour I might reboot an XO with wildly divergent build versions (with completely different Sugar levels). Put that all together, and what I (as someone operating "apart from" formal releases) am interested is in is __reading about__ the most appropriate update for what my XO is running at this instant. [For whoever deleted from laptop.org the webpage listing optional Activities for build 767 systems -- thanks a lot, NOT.] mikus From mikus at bga.com Wed Aug 19 05:41:48 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:41:48 -0400 Subject: SoaS3-20090818 does not successfully launch Sugar on XO-1 Message-ID: <4A8B909C.6060606@bga.com> Booted SoaS3-200908182110.iso (from USB stick) on my XO-1. The screen kept switching between white and back as the system repeatedly tried to launch an X session for Sugar - but failed. I manually started a Sugar session from the text console. The screen got as far as showing Home View (no update notification) -- but as soon as I clicked on the List icon (the Ring does not include Terminal by default), the Sugar session vanished. mikus -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: olpc-dm-X.error.log URL: From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 08:12:21 2009 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:12:21 +0200 Subject: What level Sugar Activities on F11 ? In-Reply-To: <4A8B1799.8030602@bga.com> References: <4A8B1799.8030602@bga.com> Message-ID: <46a038f90908190112u61cd9466xd4aeddda545908ca@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > [For whoever deleted from laptop.org the webpage listing optional Activities > for build 767 systems -- thanks a lot, ?NOT.] That would be bad (we have lots of our real users -- kids -- still on 767, and even earlier), so I just checked the 'deletion' log. Nothing about it. Maybe you mean ...? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 Or do you mean something else? cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From martin at martindengler.com Wed Aug 19 14:17:58 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:17:58 +0100 Subject: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <6490F44B6D2E47D4BE6F2BB45FABD06A@Art> References: <818423da0908181019n585a3dc0q5a3bb6b21756ac0b@mail.gmail.com> <6490F44B6D2E47D4BE6F2BB45FABD06A@Art> Message-ID: <20090819141758.GG4644@ops-13.xades.com.> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:01:20AM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: > 2) What is the code for mandating a vertical scrollbar when the display > overflows vertically? > Is it simply: gtk.VScrollbar() ? This question/answer is not Sugar-specific. 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It will always be size 14, which is about 14/72" in size. The idea is that activity developers don't specify font sizes other than using the default and, if they need to, and , so they wouldn't do something like the above except for exceptional cases. You may choose to be an exceptional case.. Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Fri Aug 21 09:16:35 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:01:35 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908180216r262e97f7k23a797bd64bf45ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908180216r262e97f7k23a797bd64bf45ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908210216g25fa5943sce42f2e08fc2c9f8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Tomeu Vizoso : > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:17, Daniel Drake wrote: >> 2009/8/7 Tomeu Vizoso : >>> But not all text is rendered with that default font size. >> >> Do you have examples? > > No, but I find it highly unlikely that all activities are using > sugar.graphics.style.FONT_NORMAL. then those activities are probably a bit naughty :) In most cases they should be basing their font selections around what sugar suggests, as this will now reflect the desires of the user. My ideas so-far including my thoughts on the above issue are here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Font_configuration Daniel From pgf at laptop.org Fri Aug 21 20:47:07 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:47:07 -0400 Subject: hwclock, rtcwake, /etc/adjtime Message-ID: <1313.1250887627@foxharp.boston.ma.us> executive summary: we need to make sure that /etc/adjtime, as shipped, has a third line that says "UTC". alternatively, we should add such a line on first boot. having already written all this out for myself, to be sure i understand it, i'll share: - the third line in /etc/adjtime specifies whether the RTC is maintained in localtime or UTC. most unix systems maintain the RTC in UTC. - hwclock needs (and maintains) the third line, because hwclock can set the system time from the RTC, and vice-versa. if there's no third line, hwclock assumes the RTC is maintained in localtime. (this surprises me, but i think it's always been true.) hwclock will add a third line if it's missing, and the added line will say "LOCAL". - rtcwake needs the third line, because it uses the RTC to wake up the system at a given time in the future. if rtcwake finds no third line in /etc/adjtime, it assumes UTC. please note the irony that hwclock and rtcwake are both provided by the same package (util-linux-ng). - rtcwake has a bug with regard to daylight savings time which only shows up if it thinks the RTC is in maintained in localtime. the bug causes wakeup times to be wrong by at least an hour. - when an XO boots for the first time, the /etc/adjtime file provided by the initscripts package has no third line. - hwclock is run by /etc/init.d/halt when the system is shutdown cleanly, at which point /etc/adjtime will have it's third line created, to say "LOCAL". - XO laptops have their RTC set to UTC at the factory. the upshot of all this is that on initial boot of an XO, rtcwake will work fine, and after the first shutdown, it will not. i'm sure there are also implications for the system time and date, and the system timezone. but i haven't thought about those issues much. anyway, i think it can all be fixed by shipping a complete /etc/adjtime file. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From dsd at laptop.org Sat Aug 22 04:16:12 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:01:12 +0545 Subject: hwclock, rtcwake, /etc/adjtime In-Reply-To: <1313.1250887627@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <1313.1250887627@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <818423da0908212116o7e94950cta841be1c989dbd7a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/22 Paul Fox : > the upshot of all this is that on initial boot of an XO, > rtcwake will work fine, and after the first shutdown, it will > not. ?i'm sure there are also implications for the system > time and date, and the system timezone. ?but i haven't thought > about those issues much. I'll bet that this is already fixed for the next build with my kickstart changes. adjtime will be empty on first boot, and then populated with "UTC" during first shutdown, and if I understand your email correctly then that will produce the desired behaviour. Daniel From pgf at laptop.org Sat Aug 22 04:47:09 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:47:09 -0400 Subject: hwclock, rtcwake, /etc/adjtime In-Reply-To: <818423da0908212116o7e94950cta841be1c989dbd7a@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090822_001615_237286_4964C43A) References: <1313.1250887627@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <818423da0908212116o7e94950cta841be1c989dbd7a@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090822_001615_237286_4964C43A) Message-ID: <13301.1250916429@foxharp.boston.ma.us> daniel wrote: > 2009/8/22 Paul Fox : > > the upshot of all this is that on initial boot of an XO, > > rtcwake will work fine, and after the first shutdown, it will > > not. ?i'm sure there are also implications for the system > > time and date, and the system timezone. ?but i haven't thought > > about those issues much. > > I'll bet that this is already fixed for the next build with my > kickstart changes. adjtime will be empty on first boot, and then > populated with "UTC" during first shutdown, and if I understand your > email correctly then that will produce the desired behaviour. okay. you had said that kickstart creates /etc/sysconfig/clock, and that that's what you'd fixed. mtd's distro has "UTC=True" in that file, so i figured he already had your fix. there must be more to it i guess. oh -- unless soas-on-xo1 doesn't use kickstart, and more needs to happen if it doesn't. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From dsd at laptop.org Sat Aug 22 04:56:14 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:41:14 +0545 Subject: hwclock, rtcwake, /etc/adjtime In-Reply-To: <13301.1250916429@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <1313.1250887627@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <818423da0908212116o7e94950cta841be1c989dbd7a@mail.gmail.com> <13301.1250916429@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <818423da0908212156q7bf03328lec6d993580229e9e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/22 Paul Fox : > okay. ?you had said that kickstart creates /etc/sysconfig/clock, > and that that's what you'd fixed. ?mtd's distro has "UTC=True" in > that file, so i figured he already had your fix. ?there must be > more to it i guess. ?oh -- unless soas-on-xo1 doesn't use kickstart, > and more needs to happen if it doesn't. ok, maybe it's not the complete fix then. Here's how I would expect things to work: kickstart puts UTC=True in /etc/sysconfig/clock this makes fedora init scripts always call hwclock with --utc and this option makes hwclock write "UTC" in /etc/adjtime Perhaps my understanding is flawed/incomplete, or there is a bug somewhere. Daniel From pgf at laptop.org Sat Aug 22 13:08:28 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:08:28 -0400 Subject: hwclock, rtcwake, /etc/adjtime In-Reply-To: <818423da0908212156q7bf03328lec6d993580229e9e@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090822_005617_355839_D1E28068) References: <1313.1250887627@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <818423da0908212116o7e94950cta841be1c989dbd7a@mail.gmail.com> <13301.1250916429@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <818423da0908212156q7bf03328lec6d993580229e9e@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20090822_005617_355839_D1E28068) Message-ID: <17519.1250946508@foxharp.boston.ma.us> daniel wrote: > 2009/8/22 Paul Fox : > > okay. ?you had said that kickstart creates /etc/sysconfig/clock, > > and that that's what you'd fixed. ?mtd's distro has "UTC=True" in > > that file, so i figured he already had your fix. ?there must be > > more to it i guess. ?oh -- unless soas-on-xo1 doesn't use kickstart, > > and more needs to happen if it doesn't. > > ok, maybe it's not the complete fix then. > > Here's how I would expect things to work: > > kickstart puts UTC=True in /etc/sysconfig/clock > this makes fedora init scripts always call hwclock with --utc > and this option makes hwclock write "UTC" in /etc/adjtime that's certainly a reasonable expectation. :-) but i find no reference to /etc/sysconfig/clock in any init.d script, either on the SoaS release or on learn, which is running a 10.91 rawhide. there's no facility in either the halt or ntpdate scripts for hwclocks commandline arguments to be influenced, so it must be that /etc/adjtime is normally modified by some other startup or installation script. > > Perhaps my understanding is flawed/incomplete, or there is a bug somewhere. makes two of us. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From martin at martindengler.com Sat Aug 22 15:38:32 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:38:32 +0100 Subject: hwclock, rtcwake, /etc/adjtime In-Reply-To: <818423da0908212156q7bf03328lec6d993580229e9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1313.1250887627@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <818423da0908212116o7e94950cta841be1c989dbd7a@mail.gmail.com> <13301.1250916429@foxharp.boston.ma.us> <818423da0908212156q7bf03328lec6d993580229e9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090822153832.GJ5764@ops-13.xades.com> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:41:14AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/8/22 Paul Fox : > > okay. ?you had said that kickstart creates /etc/sysconfig/clock, > > and that that's what you'd fixed. ?mtd's distro has "UTC=True" in > > that file, so i figured he already had your fix. Yes, I/soas-on-xo1 does have the fix. > > oh -- unless soas-on-xo1 doesn't use kickstart, and more needs to > > happen if it doesn't. soas-on-xo1 does use kickstart. > ok, maybe it's not the complete fix then. It's not, it appears, due to the below. That being said, I've just: - created a new image and booted it fine - confirmed /etc/adjtime has neither LOCAL nor UTC - tested rtcwake (works fine) - confirmed /etc/sysconfig/clock has "UTC=True" - rebooted - confirmed /etc/adjtime now has LOCAL in it (see below) - tested rtcwake (works fine) so go figure. > Here's how I would expect things to work: > > kickstart puts UTC=True in /etc/sysconfig/clock Yes, this happens > this makes fedora init scripts always call hwclock with --utc This is the problem. /etc/init.d/halt just does: /sbin/hwclock --systohc ...which is documented[1] to default to localtime in these circumstances. Also, 'grep UTC /etc/init.d/*' turns up nothing. > and this option makes hwclock write "UTC" in /etc/adjtime ...so this never happens. > Perhaps my understanding is flawed/incomplete, or there is a bug > somewhere. Indeed. At the very least, I'm not sure what the point of /etc/sysconfig/clock's UTC=true setting is. > Daniel Martin 1. http://git.kernel.org/?p=utils/util-linux-ng/util-linux-ng.git;a=blob;f=hwclock/hwclock.8;h=55663fef37aa8531ac71d82c34af418bcf274a27;hb=HEAD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikus at bga.com Sat Aug 22 19:34:01 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:34:01 -0400 Subject: SoaS-for-XO-1 image Message-ID: <4A904829.4000504@bga.com> http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo59.removable.img.tar.lzma Seemed to run well (booted from USB stick). Thanks for a good job. mikus p.s. 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But as usual with all F11-on-XO1 builds to > date, 'Record' (quickly) gave up the ghost, without showing me any > "moving picture" output from the camera. The camera doesn't work in Record, which is at least this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498900 ...although your log / stack trace is unfamiliar to me. Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From today's dmesg: > [ 2.179390] Marvell M88ALP01 'CAFE' Camera Controller version 2 > [ 2.200957] cafe1000-ccic 0000:00:0c.2: enabling device (0000 -> 0002) > [ 2.482758] ov7670 1-0042: chip found @ 0x84 (cafe_ccic) I keep mentioning 'Record', because that is code being handled by people working on the XO. But the _real_ problem started with a Geode driver change after Joyride 2602 -- that was the last time my various multimedia applications showed me what I would describe as a "moving picture". Ever since, [first with F10-based builds and then with F11-based builds] I either get a completely blank screen, or only occasional "snapshots" extracted from the input data. For instance, when running 'helix' (helix is the "movie" player for Browse), at best I get to see shrunken still_pictures - and those still_pictures get redrawn only rarely. [Those same multimedia applications continue to work well for me with F9-based builds.] mikus From martin at martindengler.com Sat Aug 22 23:09:58 2009 From: martin at martindengler.com (Martin Dengler) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:09:58 +0100 Subject: SoaS-for-XO-1 image In-Reply-To: <4A906623.6080606@bga.com> References: <4A906623.6080606@bga.com> Message-ID: <20090822230958.GU5764@ops-13.xades.com> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 05:41:55PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >>> as usual with all F11-on-XO1 builds to date >>> 'Record' (quickly) gave up the ghost, without >>> showing me any "moving picture" output from the camera. >> >> The camera doesn't work in Record, which is at least this bug: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D498900 > > You will notice that this bug report is several months old, and talks > about the camera not being recognized. These days I believe the camera > *is* being recognized. > From today's dmesg: > >> [ 2.179390] Marvell M88ALP01 'CAFE' Camera Controller version 2 >> [ 2.200957] cafe1000-ccic 0000:00:0c.2: enabling device (0000 -> 0002) >> [ 2.482758] ov7670 1-0042: chip found @ 0x84 (cafe_ccic) Yup, and my last comment on that bug says roughly the same thing :) > I keep mentioning 'Record', because that is code being handled by people > working on the XO. I found that 'cheese' fails the same way your Record does. But fswebcam does indeed capture a picture. > But the _real_ problem started with a Geode driver change after > Joyride 2602 -- that was the last time my various multimedia > applications showed me what I would describe as a "moving picture". Is the symptom of that problem recorded anywhere in RH bugzilla? Do you have any more information readily available about that change (of course I can go dig it out, I'm just asking in case you already have). Sounds like we should start chasing that issue now that the other one(s) are addressed. > mikus Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikus at bga.com Sun Aug 23 03:37:27 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:37:27 -0400 Subject: SoaS3-20090822 limps Message-ID: <4A90B977.40202@bga.com> Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; I'm sharing my experiences. Booted SoaS3-200908222158.iso (from USB stick) on my XO-1. I don't know if it was the USB stick's hardware, or the build's software, but now my system seemed to run at least twice as slow as normal. The first try I got as far as Home View, but when I tried to switch to the List panel (because Terminal was not in the ring), Sugar vanished. The second try I instead clicked on 'Speak' in the ring (see attachment). The third try I went to the text console, and manually modified favorite_activities to put Terminal in the ring. Then I was able to do my usual things - but at a snail's pace. This is going to be the last SoaS3 build I'll try for the time being. I'm interested in how the __XO__ runs, and software development for the XO is currently F11-based. This new SoaS3 build is F12-based - I'll stick with F11 and forget about F12 for now. mikus -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: shell.log URL: From dsd at laptop.org Sun Aug 23 06:16:07 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:01:07 +0545 Subject: F11 for XO1 - Fonts In-Reply-To: <242851610908180216r262e97f7k23a797bd64bf45ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <199720.21214.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <242851610908040056x255c1e75vddd19b62cf1e898b@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040108q2913e619t4b939ae6df1fbc5f@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040124m26fd8cbbm281bb5b8126cd369@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040148s771cc033mc4759f0091139b1e@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908040415u3f871515md20b645fa36762f4@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908040755r22ca0141hab942c9e544e844b@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908070416o6d69570al90bf9e00587914e5@mail.gmail.com> <818423da0908170317l13ec9cb8ia54003c8164b4ba4@mail.gmail.com> <242851610908180216r262e97f7k23a797bd64bf45ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908222316p179762a0yc3e84c1c835db76e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/18 Tomeu Vizoso : > Yes, I would be happiest if we did the same that GNOME does. Do you > know how widgets change the font size in response of changes to the > gconf setting? It's done with xsettings. The property name is Gtk/FontName. All GTK+ apps automatically listen for it (see gdk/x11/gdksettings.c in GTK+ source code as a starting point). In GNOME, gnome-settings-daemon watches the gconf key for changes and then generates xsettings/XChangeProperty calls once a change is detected. I've now finished the feature page for this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Font_configuration Daniel From mikus at bga.com Sun Aug 23 11:52:50 2009 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:52:50 -0400 Subject: SoaS3-20090822 impressions Message-ID: <4A912D92.4090808@bga.com> Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; I'm sharing my experiences. Ran with SoaS3-200908222158.iso (booted from USB stick) on my XO-1. Slow. The sugar session was liable to vanish at the drop of a hat. Kudos and congratulations on the use of metacity. Xorg windows for Linux applications now behave as they should. [In particular, firefox 3.5.2 runs beautifully, with correct-sized text. So do my Java applications.] Something I've mentioned before, which I think is a __BLOCKER__: For some unknown reason (probably because the root filesystem got to be 98% full), Sugar put up the "Journal is full" warning -- and I COULD NOT GET RID of that warning panel, which prevented me from continuing to use Terminal !!! Ended up going to the text console, cleaned up some space in the root filesystem, went back to Journal to delete something there, and only then could I again use Terminal. PLEASE, show that warning -- but put an (X) button on that warning panel so the user can (even if temporarily) get it out of his way. Noticed some flakiness with Sugar palette functions -- I use an USB mouse, and had to click repeatedly on the self-icon in Home View in order to show the palette that would take me to 'My Settings'. Also, there were times when hovering over the icons (e.g., for running Activities) in the Frame top edge did not show the palette for that icon (I had wanted to stop that Activity). [Other times, Frame worked as it should.] Also noticed the "multiplier effect" in Terminal - click once in the vertical scroll bar and the screen scrolls many many pages. [This is an old problem - but some builds show it all the time, other builds very rarely or not at all.] Enough for F12 experiences, mikus From smparrish at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 15:50:12 2009 From: smparrish at gmail.com (Steven M. Parrish) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:50:12 -0400 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 Message-ID: <200908261150.12998.smparrish@gmail.com> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/ The main point of this release is to ensure that only 0.84 compatible activities are downloaded from ASLO. here are the file differences since os5 -atlas-sse-3.8.3-7.fc11.i586 +atlas-sse-3.8.3-4.fc11.i586 -cups-libs-1.4-0.rc1.14.fc11.i586 -curl-7.19.4-9.fc11.i586 +cups-libs-1.4-0.rc1.15.fc11.i586 +curl-7.19.6-1.fc11.i586 +dash-0.5.5.1-2.fc11.i586 -DeviceKit-power-009-1.fc11.i586 +DeviceKit-power-010-0.3.20090810git.fc11.i586 -dracut-0.8-1.fc11.i586 +dracut-0.9-1.fc11.i586 -etoys-4.0.2212-1.fc11.noarch +etoys-4.0.2229-1.fc11.noarch -farsight2-0.0.12-1.fc11.i586 +farsight2-0.0.14-1.fc11.i586 -fontconfig-2.6.99.behdad.20090508-1.fc11.i586 +fontconfig-2.7.1-1.fc11.i586 -glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 -glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 +glibc-2.10.1-5.i686 +glibc-common-2.10.1-5.i586 -gnome-power-manager-2.26.4-1.fc11.i586 +gnome-power-manager-2.26.4-3.fc11.i586 -gnutls-2.6.6-1.fc11.i586 +gnutls-2.6.6-2.fc11.i586 -gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.23-3.fc11.i586 +gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.24-1.fc11.i586 -gstreamer-python-0.10.15-1.fc11.i586 +gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.fc11.i586 -gupnp-igd-0.1.1-3.fc11.i586 -gvfs-1.2.3-10.fc11.i586 -gvfs-fuse-1.2.3-10.fc11.i586 +gupnp-igd-0.1.3-3.fc11.i586 +gvfs-1.2.3-12.fc11.i586 +gvfs-fuse-1.2.3-12.fc11.i586 -hal-0.5.12-28.20090226git.fc11.i586 +hal-0.5.12-29.20090226git.fc11.i586 -hal-libs-0.5.12-28.20090226git.fc11.i586 +hal-libs-0.5.12-29.20090226git.fc11.i586 -libcurl-7.19.4-9.fc11.i586 +libcurl-7.19.6-1.fc11.i586 -libnice-0.0.6-1.fc11.i586 +libnice-0.0.9-1.fc11.i586 -libpurple-2.5.8-2.fc11.i586 +libpurple-2.6.1-1.fc11.i586 -libvorbis-1.2.0-7.fc11.i586 +libvorbis-1.2.0-8.fc11.i586 -libxml2-2.7.3-2.fc11.i586 -libxml2-python-2.7.3-2.fc11.i586 +libxml2-2.7.3-3.fc11.i586 +libxml2-python-2.7.3-3.fc11.i586 -nscd-2.10.1-4.i586 +nscd-2.10.1-5.i586 -nss-3.12.3.99.3-2.11.3.fc11.i586 -nss_ldap-264-2.fc11.i586 -nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.3.99.3-2.11.3.fc11.i586 +nss-3.12.3.99.3-2.11.4.fc11.i586 +nss_ldap-264-6.fc11.i586 +nss-softokn-freebl-3.12.3.99.3-2.11.4.fc11.i586 -olpc-powerd-9-1.fc11.i586 +olpc-powerd-10-1.fc11.i586 -readahead-1.4.9-1.fc11.i586 +readahead-1.5.0-1.fc11.i586 -telepathy-gabble-0.7.26-1.fc11.i586 +telepathy-gabble-0.7.26-2.fc11.i586 -telepathy-haze-0.3.0-1.fc11.i586 +telepathy-haze-0.3.1-1.fc11.i586 -totem-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 -totem-gstreamer-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 -totem-mozplugin-2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 +totem-2.26.3-3.fc11.i586 +totem-gstreamer-2.26.3-3.fc11.i586 +totem-mozplugin-2.26.3-3.fc11.i586 -tzdata-2009k-1.fc11.noarch +tzdata-2009k-2.fc11.noarch +wget-1.11.4-3.fc11.i586 -xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.2.4-1.fc11.i586 +xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.2.5-1.fc11.i586 -xorg-x11-server-common-1.6.2-3.fc11.i586 +xorg-x11-server-common-1.6.3-4.fc11.i586 -xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.2-3.fc11.i586 +xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.3-4.fc11.i586 -xz-libs-4.999.8-0.7.beta.fc11.i586 +xz-libs-4.999.8-0.8.beta.20090817git.fc11.i586 All normal warnings apply. This is development code. Please report any issues you may have. Steven ===================================================== Steven M. Parrish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar From mavrothal at yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 19:23:00 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <200908261150.12998.smparrish@gmail.com> Message-ID: <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thank you. Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the overlap with the GNOME PM remains. I guess the X-server and Gnome power management updates also did not affect the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :) Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a Journal entry. Other activities with problems Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since os3). Could be a distro-specific problem though. Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming up (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. The "silent" recording is not saved at the bottom strip. Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record anything on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the second launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in os5. If you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see the mic again) Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application file in ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/ and from there can not find the modules that do exist. Of course could be independent problems. Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going to be the way to Sugar0.84? From dirakx at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 19:51:12 2009 From: dirakx at gmail.com (Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:51:12 -0500 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200908261150.12998.smparrish@gmail.com> <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello i was trying these instructions (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1) on an XO-1 for the new build, but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image is there something else i should be doing ?. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > Thank you. > > Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the overlap with the GNOME PM remains. > > I guess the X-server and Gnome power management ?updates also did not affect the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :) > > Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a Journal entry. > > Other activities with problems > > Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since os3). Could be a distro-specific problem though. > > Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming up (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. The "silent" recording is not saved at the bottom strip. > > Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record anything on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the second launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in os5. If you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see the mic again) > > Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application ?file in ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/ ?and from there can not find the modules that do exist. > > Of course could be independent problems. > > Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going to be the way to Sugar0.84? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > From gary at garycmartin.com Wed Aug 26 20:05:23 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:05:23 +0100 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4751D50A-A511-4509-82E8-FC5FF3901F23@garycmartin.com> Hi Yioryos, On 26 Aug 2009, at 20:23, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > Thank you. > > Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with > the overlap with the GNOME PM remains. > > I guess the X-server and Gnome power management updates also did > not affect the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. > Next one may be :) > > Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it > but kept finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. > Also etoys (and scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first > use and to not have a Journal entry. Unfortunately this is an intended behaviour for etoys ? you have to first create a new project (modifying the default start up environment or just quitting is not enough) before it will start state saving to Journal. Though you can argue this is a feature not a bug (etoys saves are quite slow, and this behaviour reduces wasting nand space), it is at least unexpected behaviour for Sugar Activities. For Scratch, well it's just not available properly sugarized yet ? feel free to ping the authors and encourage them it would be a good thing to work on :-) Regards, --Gary From pgf at laptop.org Wed Aug 26 20:21:53 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Testing] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <4A9595DA.3080100@laptop.org> (sfid-20090826_161056_886878_963973C7) References: <200908261150.12998.smparrish@gmail.com> <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A9595DA.3080100@laptop.org> (sfid-20090826_161056_886878_963973C7) Message-ID: <19094.1251318113@foxharp.boston.ma.us> mitch wrote: > It's probably the same thing as the first item in > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO#Known_issues > > We made "pretty boot" the default in later versions of Open Firmware, > but many alternative operating systems don't know how to "unfreeze" the > screen. i doubt that's it -- if olpc-powerd is installed and powerd is running (and yioryos claims it is), then powerd will unfreeze the screen 10 seconds after it's started. paul > > Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > > Hello > > > > i was trying these instructions > > (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1) on an XO-1 for the new > > build, > > but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image > > is there something else i should be doing ?. > > > > > > > > Rafael Ortiz > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos > > Asprobounitis wrote: > > > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the > overlap with the GNOME PM remains. > >> > >> I guess the X-server and Gnome power management updates also did not affect > the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :) > >> > >> Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept > finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and > scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a > Journal entry. > >> > >> Other activities with problems > >> > >> Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since > os3). Could be a distro-specific problem though. > >> > >> Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming up > (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. The > "silent" recording is not saved at the bottom strip. > >> > >> Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record anything > on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the second > launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in os5. If you > erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see the mic again) > >> > >> Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus > warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application file in > ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/ and from there can not find the modules that > do exist. > >> > >> Of course could be independent problems. > >> > >> Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going > to be the way to Sugar0.84? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > >> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Testing mailing list > > Testing at lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From dirakx at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 20:24:13 2009 From: dirakx at gmail.com (Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Testing] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <4A9595DA.3080100@laptop.org> References: <200908261150.12998.smparrish@gmail.com> <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A9595DA.3080100@laptop.org> Message-ID: Thanks for your reply Mitch. Even thought, i pressed the '?' gamepad button at boot the system does not pass from loading ramdisk, can any body build a new F11 on XO .img with the solution propossed by Mitch ? wmb: The solution for this is to add "dcon-unfreeze unfreeze" to /boot/olpc.fth, somewhere before the "boot" line, thus turning off "pretty boot". Alternatively, if you want to keep pretty boot, releasing the screen only after all of the text messages have finished, you can add "echo 0 >/sys/devices/platform/dcon/freeze" to a late initscript. or what can i do to workaround this issue ?. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > It's probably the same thing as the first item in > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO#Known_issues > > We made "pretty boot" the default in later versions of Open Firmware, > but many alternative operating systems don't know how to "unfreeze" the > screen. > > Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: >> Hello >> >> i was trying these instructions >> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1) ?on an XO-1 for the new >> build, >> but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image >> is there something else i should be doing ?. >> >> >> >> Rafael Ortiz >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos >> Asprobounitis wrote: >> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the overlap with the GNOME PM remains. >>> >>> I guess the X-server and Gnome power management ?updates also did not affect the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :) >>> >>> Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a Journal entry. >>> >>> Other activities with problems >>> >>> Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since os3). Could be a distro-specific problem though. >>> >>> Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming up (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. The "silent" recording is not saved at the bottom strip. >>> >>> Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record anything on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the second launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in os5. If you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see the mic again) >>> >>> Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application ?file in ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/ ?and from there can not find the modules that do exist. >>> >>> Of course could be independent problems. >>> >>> Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going to be the way to Sugar0.84? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >>> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Testing mailing list >> Testing at lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing >> > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > From dirakx at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 20:37:20 2009 From: dirakx at gmail.com (Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Testing] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <4A959B3F.1010704@laptop.org> References: <200908261150.12998.smparrish@gmail.com> <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A9595DA.3080100@laptop.org> <4A959B3F.1010704@laptop.org> Message-ID: Q2E18, haven't noticed how old it was. :) Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > Which version of Open Firmware are you using? > > Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: >> Thanks for your reply ?Mitch. >> >> Even thought, i pressed the '?' gamepad button at boot >> the system does not pass from loading ramdisk, >> can any body build a new F11 on XO ?.img with the solution propossed >> by Mitch ? >> >> wmb: The solution for this is to add "dcon-unfreeze unfreeze" to >> /boot/olpc.fth, somewhere before the "boot" line, thus turning off >> "pretty boot". Alternatively, if you want to keep pretty boot, >> releasing the screen only after all of the text messages have >> finished, you can add "echo 0 >/sys/devices/platform/dcon/freeze" to a >> late initscript. >> >> or what can i do to workaround this issue ?. >> >> Rafael Ortiz >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: >> >>> It's probably the same thing as the first item in >>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO#Known_issues >>> >>> We made "pretty boot" the default in later versions of Open Firmware, >>> but many alternative operating systems don't know how to "unfreeze" the >>> screen. >>> >>> Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> i was trying these instructions >>>> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1) ?on an XO-1 for the new >>>> build, >>>> but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image >>>> is there something else i should be doing ?. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rafael Ortiz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos >>>> Asprobounitis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the overlap with the GNOME PM remains. >>>>> >>>>> I guess the X-server and Gnome power management ?updates also did not affect the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :) >>>>> >>>>> Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a Journal entry. >>>>> >>>>> Other activities with problems >>>>> >>>>> Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since os3). Could be a distro-specific problem though. >>>>> >>>>> Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming up (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. The "silent" recording is not saved at the bottom strip. >>>>> >>>>> Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record anything on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the second launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in os5. If you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see the mic again) >>>>> >>>>> Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application ?file in ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/ ?and from there can not find the modules that do exist. >>>>> >>>>> Of course could be independent problems. >>>>> >>>>> Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going to be the way to Sugar0.84? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >>>>> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Testing mailing list >>>> Testing at lists.laptop.org >>>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel at lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > From dirakx at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 20:52:31 2009 From: dirakx at gmail.com (Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Testing] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <4A959DFB.6000900@laptop.org> References: <200908261150.12998.smparrish@gmail.com> <968905.81539.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A9595DA.3080100@laptop.org> <4A959B3F.1010704@laptop.org> <4A959DFB.6000900@laptop.org> Message-ID: Thanks mitch Upgrading firmware was the solution. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: > Note the change list in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e19 , > specifically the one about support of new kernels. > > You should upgrade to the latest release q2e41 > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Firmware_q2e41 > > Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: >> Q2E18, haven't noticed how old it was. :) >> >> >> >> >> Rafael Ortiz >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: >> >>> Which version of Open Firmware are you using? >>> >>> Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for your reply ?Mitch. >>>> >>>> Even thought, i pressed the '?' gamepad button at boot >>>> the system does not pass from loading ramdisk, >>>> can any body build a new F11 on XO ?.img with the solution propossed >>>> by Mitch ? >>>> >>>> wmb: The solution for this is to add "dcon-unfreeze unfreeze" to >>>> /boot/olpc.fth, somewhere before the "boot" line, thus turning off >>>> "pretty boot". Alternatively, if you want to keep pretty boot, >>>> releasing the screen only after all of the text messages have >>>> finished, you can add "echo 0 >/sys/devices/platform/dcon/freeze" to a >>>> late initscript. >>>> >>>> or what can i do to workaround this issue ?. >>>> >>>> Rafael Ortiz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> It's probably the same thing as the first item in >>>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO#Known_issues >>>>> >>>>> We made "pretty boot" the default in later versions of Open Firmware, >>>>> but many alternative operating systems don't know how to "unfreeze" the >>>>> screen. >>>>> >>>>> Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> >>>>>> i was trying these instructions >>>>>> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1) ?on an XO-1 for the new >>>>>> build, >>>>>> but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image >>>>>> is there something else i should be doing ?. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rafael Ortiz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos >>>>>> Asprobounitis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the overlap with the GNOME PM remains. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess the X-server and Gnome power management ?updates also did not affect the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a Journal entry. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Other activities with problems >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since os3). Could be a distro-specific problem though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming up (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. The "silent" recording is not saved at the bottom strip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record anything on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the second launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in os5. If you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see the mic again) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application ?file in ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/ ?and from there can not find the modules that do exist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course could be independent problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going to be the way to Sugar0.84? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >>>>>>> Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Testing mailing list >>>>>> Testing at lists.laptop.org >>>>>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Devel mailing list >>>>> Devel at lists.laptop.org >>>>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel at lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > From mavrothal at yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 20:53:02 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <947944.1286.qm@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I had this issue with os5 (see "...-swap" posts above in the fedora-olpc-list). It is something not related to swap but is happening often enough. Usually after 1-3 attempts removing all peripherals (and overclocking :) recovers and boots fine. Didn't have it with os6 yet. Of course the old firmware does not help either :) --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > From: Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "Fedora OLPC List" , "OLPC Development" , "OLPC Testing" , "sugar-devel" , smparrish at gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 3:51 PM > Hello > > i was trying these instructions > (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1)? on an > XO-1 for the new > build, > but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image > is there something else i should be doing ?. > > > > Rafael Ortiz > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos > Asprobounitis > wrote: > > Thank you. > > > > Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However > the problem with the overlap with the GNOME PM remains. > > > > I guess the X-server and Gnome power management > ?updates also did not affect the battery monitor and screen > rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :) > > > > Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, > updated it but kept finding it as updatable. This was also > the case with os5. Also etoys (and scratch) fail to get the > fill color after the first use and to not have a Journal > entry. > > > > Other activities with problems > > > > Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have > filled a ticked since os3). Could be a distro-specific > problem though. > > > > Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light > is not even coming up (this was also the case in os5). Use > of mic does not solve the problem. The "silent" recording is > not saved at the bottom strip. > > > > Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or > external) and record anything on first launch. Is there > anyway to test if mic is working? On the second launch > Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in > os5. If you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK > (but fails to see the mic again) > > > > Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log > is full of dbus warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp > copy of the application ?file in > ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/ ?and from there can not > find the modules that do exist. > > > > Of course could be independent problems. > > > > Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I > mean is F11-XO1 going to be the way to Sugar0.84? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > > Fedora-olpc-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > > > From dsd at laptop.org Thu Aug 27 03:16:16 2009 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:01:16 +0545 Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <947944.1286.qm@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <947944.1286.qm@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <818423da0908262016i8b833f2j11f2d58eaf49ba85@mail.gmail.com> 2009/8/27 Yioryos Asprobounitis : > I had this issue with os5 (see "...-swap" posts above in the ?fedora-olpc-list). It is something not related to swap but is happening often enough. Usually after 1-3 attempts removing all peripherals (and overclocking :) recovers and boots fine. Didn't have it with os6 yet. > Of course the old firmware does not help either :) If it's freezing after the "loading ramdisk" line, then it's not related to swap. That's way too early for swap to be having an effect. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9100 I also see this bug very often and work around it simply by turning off the machine for 5 minutes and trying again. Here are my findings so far: - nothing is output from the kernel on the serial console, so it is a very early freeze from the kernel standpoint - the serial console does show a newline character *after* the "loading ramdisk" line, which seems to indicate that the ramdisk does load correctly and the crash is triggered by something that happens after - the OFW frame key does not cause the debugger to start - waiting a few minutes does seem to increase success rate - I have had very little success with on,off,on,off,on,off type cycles, but if you insert a few minutes wait inbetween then it does feel to be more likely to boot - once booted, you can reboot indefinitely and it won't hang - I discount reports that this is related to external devices, swap partitions, etc. I run my XOs with the standard configuration and no external devices and I frequently see this bug - I've seen this ever since we upgraded kernel after 8.2 - the 8.2 kernels continue to work fine Daniel From mavrothal at yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 07:12:04 2009 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 In-Reply-To: <818423da0908262016i8b833f2j11f2d58eaf49ba85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <874421.837.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Daniel Drake wrote: > From: Daniel Drake > Subject: Re: New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6 > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: dirakx at gmail.org, "OLPC Testing" , "OLPC Development" , "sugar-devel" , "Fedora OLPC List" , "Mitch Bradley" > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:16 PM > 2009/8/27 Yioryos Asprobounitis > : > > I had this issue with os5 (see "...-swap" posts above > in the ?fedora-olpc-list). It is something not related to > swap but is happening often enough. Usually after 1-3 > attempts removing all peripherals (and overclocking :) > recovers and boots fine. Didn't have it with os6 yet. > > Of course the old firmware does not help either :) > > If it's freezing after the "loading ramdisk" line, then > it's not > related to swap. That's way too early for swap to be having > an effect. > > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9100 > > I also see this bug very often and work around it simply by > turning > off the machine for 5 minutes and trying again. Here are my > findings > so far: > > - nothing is output from the kernel on the serial console, > so it is a > very early freeze from the kernel standpoint > - the serial console does show a newline character *after* > the > "loading ramdisk" line, which seems to indicate that the > ramdisk does > load correctly and the crash is triggered by something that > happens > after > - the OFW frame key does not cause the debugger to start > - waiting a few minutes does seem to increase success rate > - I have > had very little success with on,off,on,off,on,off type > cycles, but if > you insert a few minutes wait inbetween then it does feel > to be more > likely to boot > - once booted, you can reboot indefinitely and it won't > hang > - I discount reports that this is related to external > devices, swap > partitions, etc. I run my XOs with the standard > configuration and no > external devices and I frequently see this bug > - I've seen this ever since we upgraded kernel after 8.2 > - the 8.2 kernels continue to work fine > > Daniel I subscribe 100% to your description. Actually when I say "1-3 attempts" I imply the old crash practice: Power off-"count 30 elephants"-power on :) I guess the olpc-aware kernels may not be fully aware of olpc... How do you debug these *sooo* early things???... > From gary at garycmartin.com Fri Aug 28 22:04:53 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:04:53 +0100 Subject: Powerd feedback Message-ID: <11137352-B7BA-4DE0-9CB5-03CD701FE245@garycmartin.com> Hi Paul, Running latest F11-for-XO1 (build 6) here on a couple of XOs here (one XO-B4 and one XO-1, I have another XO-1 for test but the manufacturer fat fingered the serial code in OF so it can't be unlocked), and must say energy saving is working rather well (better than previous XO released solutions). One unexpected UI behaviour (just considering the XO-1 here), is that once a machine sleeps, the only way to wake it is to press and hold the power button: - wiggling on the touch pad makes the power light turn, on but does not wake the machine :-( - pressing keys on the internal keyboard makes the power light turn on, but does not wake :-( Pressing and holding the power button works to awaken the machine, but leaves me with the thoughts: - if I just tap the button, nothing happens, I have to hold for a good moment or so - but if I press the button down for too long, I loose all my work as the machine will hard shut down Regards, --Gary From pgf at laptop.org Fri Aug 28 22:48:55 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:48:55 -0400 Subject: Powerd feedback In-Reply-To: <11137352-B7BA-4DE0-9CB5-03CD701FE245@garycmartin.com> (sfid-20090828_180523_945321_00CB25A3) References: <11137352-B7BA-4DE0-9CB5-03CD701FE245@garycmartin.com> (sfid-20090828_180523_945321_00CB25A3) Message-ID: <20288.1251499735@foxharp.boston.ma.us> gary c martin wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Running latest F11-for-XO1 (build 6) here on a couple of XOs here (one > XO-B4 and one XO-1, I have another XO-1 for test but the manufacturer > fat fingered the serial code in OF so it can't be unlocked), and must > say energy saving is working rather well (better than previous XO > released solutions). > One unexpected UI behaviour (just considering the > XO-1 here), is that once a machine sleeps, the only way to wake it is > to press and hold the power button: hi gary -- something sounds wrong here. to be clear: when you say "once a machine sleeps", are you referring to the power light flashing with screen on? or with screen off? the former we've called "suspend" in the past. the latter we called "sleep", and it was only available manually (lid close, or power button). powerd muddies the waters by entering this mode automatically after a longer timeout. by default, the screen should dim at 2 minutes, the laptop should suspend 10 seconds later (power light starts flashing), and after a total of 4 minutes, the screen should go off (what we called sleep mode). so, assuming you haven't changed the config from the default: > > - wiggling on the touch pad makes the power light turn, on but does > not wake the machine :-( > > - pressing keys on the internal keyboard makes the power light turn > on, but does not wake :-( if the screen is still on, either of the above should awaken the laptop. if the screen is off, neither should cause wakeup, but nor should they cause the power light to come on on. > Pressing and holding the power button works to awaken the machine, but > leaves me with the thoughts: if the screen is on, the power button should bring up the powerdown graphical "menu". if the screen is off, the power button should awaken the display (and pressing it a second time will bring up the menu). > > - if I just tap the button, nothing happens, I have to hold for a > good moment or so the amount of time required for the power button to be recognized should not have changed from any previous release. that's controlled by EC firmware. (and it's always been possible to tap it so briefly that it doesn't register, but i'd guess that's not what you're describing.) > > - but if I press the button down for too long, I loose all my work > as the machine will hard shut down. yes. we'd like to avoid that. :-) if what you're seeing doesn't fit what i've described (and it doesn't sound like it does), i guess we have some debugging to do. paul > > Regards, > --Gary =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From gary at garycmartin.com Sat Aug 29 03:51:44 2009 From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:51:44 +0100 Subject: Powerd feedback In-Reply-To: <20288.1251499735@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <11137352-B7BA-4DE0-9CB5-03CD701FE245@garycmartin.com> (sfid-20090828_180523_945321_00CB25A3) <20288.1251499735@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: Hi Paul, On 28 Aug 2009, at 23:48, Paul Fox wrote: > gary c martin wrote: >> Running latest F11-for-XO1 (build 6) here on a couple of XOs here >> (one >> XO-B4 and one XO-1, I have another XO-1 for test but the manufacturer >> fat fingered the serial code in OF so it can't be unlocked), and must >> say energy saving is working rather well (better than previous XO >> released solutions). >> One unexpected UI behaviour (just considering the >> XO-1 here), is that once a machine sleeps, the only way to wake it is >> to press and hold the power button: > > something sounds wrong here. > > to be clear: when you say "once a machine sleeps", are you > referring to the power light flashing with screen on? or with > screen off? Screen & backlight off, power led occasional flashing. > the former we've called "suspend" in the past. the > latter we called "sleep", and it was only available manually (lid > close, or power button). powerd muddies the waters by entering > this mode automatically after a longer timeout. Sleep it is :-) > by default, the screen should dim at 2 minutes, the laptop should > suspend 10 seconds later (power light starts flashing), and after > a total of 4 minutes, the screen should go off (what we called > sleep mode). > > so, assuming you haven't changed the config from the default: No tweaks, testing with the default (though for someone with reliable mains power it is a little keen to dim, suspend, then sleep, but I'm more than willing to roll with that given our target audience needs). >> - wiggling on the touch pad makes the power light turn, on but does >> not wake the machine :-( >> >> - pressing keys on the internal keyboard makes the power light turn >> on, but does not wake :-( > > if the screen is still on, either of the above should awaken the > laptop. Yep, if the screen is still on, a keypad wiggle or button press awakens as expected. > if the screen is off, neither should cause wakeup, but nor > should they cause the power light to come on on. With screen off and power light blinking, the power light comes one during mouse wiggle or key press, giving the expectation that the machine should wake. >> Pressing and holding the power button works to awaken the machine, >> but >> leaves me with the thoughts: > > if the screen is on, the power button should bring up the > powerdown graphical "menu". if the screen is off, the power > button should awaken the display (and pressing it a second > time will bring up the menu). Yep. >> - if I just tap the button, nothing happens, I have to hold for a >> good moment or so > > the amount of time required for the power button to be recognized > should not have changed from any previous release. that's > controlled by EC firmware. (and it's always been possible to tap > it so briefly that it doesn't register, but i'd guess that's not > what you're describing.) > >> >> - but if I press the button down for too long, I loose all my work >> as the machine will hard shut down. > > yes. we'd like to avoid that. :-) Yep :-) > if what you're seeing doesn't fit what i've described (and it doesn't > sound like it does), i guess we have some debugging to do. Well it sounds like ? from your description of expectations ? sleep is the one not doing what's expected. With the screen and backlight off, and power light occasionally blinking, wiggling the mouse or pressing keys should not make the power light come on. I guess this means the keyboard and trackpad are still all powered up during sleep when they should be off. Is there some duty cycle I can log that would be useful? Regards, --Gary From pgf at laptop.org Sat Aug 29 04:50:10 2009 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:50:10 -0400 Subject: Powerd feedback In-Reply-To: (sfid-20090828_235210_335257_F6C62BEC) References: <11137352-B7BA-4DE0-9CB5-03CD701FE245@garycmartin.com> (sfid-20090828_180523_945321_00CB25A3) <20288.1251499735@foxharp.boston.ma.us> (sfid-20090828_235210_335257_F6C62BEC) Message-ID: <24471.1251521410@foxharp.boston.ma.us> gary c martin wrote: > Hi Paul, hi gary -- > > On 28 Aug 2009, at 23:48, Paul Fox wrote: > > > gary c martin wrote: > >> Running latest F11-for-XO1 (build 6) here on a couple of XOs here > >> (one > >> XO-B4 and one XO-1, I have another XO-1 for test but the manufacturer > >> fat fingered the serial code in OF so it can't be unlocked), and must > >> say energy saving is working rather well (better than previous XO > >> released solutions). > >> One unexpected UI behaviour (just considering the > >> XO-1 here), is that once a machine sleeps, the only way to wake it is > >> to press and hold the power button: > > > > something sounds wrong here. > > > > to be clear: when you say "once a machine sleeps", are you > > referring to the power light flashing with screen on? or with > > screen off? > > Screen & backlight off, power led occasional flashing. > > > the former we've called "suspend" in the past. the > > latter we called "sleep", and it was only available manually (lid > > close, or power button). powerd muddies the waters by entering > > this mode automatically after a longer timeout. > > Sleep it is :-) > > > by default, the screen should dim at 2 minutes, the laptop should > > suspend 10 seconds later (power light starts flashing), and after > > a total of 4 minutes, the screen should go off (what we called > > sleep mode). > > > > so, assuming you haven't changed the config from the default: > > No tweaks, testing with the default (though for someone with reliable > mains power it is a little keen to dim, suspend, then sleep, but I'm > more than willing to roll with that given our target audience needs). i'm more than willing to hear about better defaults for the configuration. the timeouts are separately tunable for battery-powerd, ebook-mode, and wall-powered. currently i think it's too quick to shut down -- the machine can last in sleep, on battery, for many many hours, yet it currently shuts down after just one hour in that state. please read the notes in /usr/sbin/powerd, and in /etc/powerd/powerd.conf, to see what can be done, and make suggestions! > > >> - wiggling on the touch pad makes the power light turn, on but does > >> not wake the machine :-( > >> > >> - pressing keys on the internal keyboard makes the power light turn > >> on, but does not wake :-( > > > > if the screen is still on, either of the above should awaken the > > laptop. > > Yep, if the screen is still on, a keypad wiggle or button press > awakens as expected. good. > > > if the screen is off, neither should cause wakeup, but nor > > should they cause the power light to come on on. > > With screen off and power light blinking, the power light comes one > during mouse wiggle or key press, giving the expectation that the > machine should wake. okay. as we say near boston, "Light dawns on Marblehead". because i haven't worn my other hat, that of an EC firmware developer, for a while, i'd forgotten that my laptop is running a pre-release version of EC code that puts the embedded controller itself more firmly to sleep when the laptop is sleeping on battery power. in that mode it doesn't flash when you touch the keyboard or touchpad. your firmware, however, will do exactly what you see it doing. (and it always has -- it's just more confusing now, because you didn't put it to sleep manually.) sorry for the confusion. what you're seeing is normal, if not optimal. > > >> Pressing and holding the power button works to awaken the machine, > >> but > >> leaves me with the thoughts: > > > > if the screen is on, the power button should bring up the > > powerdown graphical "menu". if the screen is off, the power > > button should awaken the display (and pressing it a second > > time will bring up the menu). > > Yep. > > >> - if I just tap the button, nothing happens, I have to hold for a > >> good moment or so > > > > the amount of time required for the power button to be recognized > > should not have changed from any previous release. that's > > controlled by EC firmware. (and it's always been possible to tap > > it so briefly that it doesn't register, but i'd guess that's not > > what you're describing.) > > > >> > >> - but if I press the button down for too long, I loose all my work > >> as the machine will hard shut down. > > > > yes. we'd like to avoid that. :-) > > Yep :-) > > > if what you're seeing doesn't fit what i've described (and it doesn't > > sound like it does), i guess we have some debugging to do. > > > Well it sounds like - from your description of expectations - sleep is > the one not doing what's expected. With the screen and backlight off, > and power light occasionally blinking, wiggling the mouse or pressing > keys should not make the power light come on. I guess this means the > keyboard and trackpad are still all powered up during sleep when they > should be off. no, i'm afraid this is just the way it is, due to the firmware. (and i'm not sure when the firmware that i'm running might make it to a release.) paul > > Is there some duty cycle I can log that would be useful? > > Regards, > --Gary =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From sebastian at when.com Sun Aug 30 19:46:13 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:46:13 +0200 Subject: SoaS v2 Beta Release - "The Next Big Thing" Message-ID: <4A9AD705.6020504@when.com> Hi everybody, I'm pleased to announce the availability of the Sugar on a Stick v2 Beta Release. This release includes already a preview of the features in the upcoming final release, which is due to November 24 right now. Major updates have been applied and we are now shipping the Fedora 12 Alpha base system as well as the latest Sugar 0.85.3 release. Additionally, we are now shipping the zyx-liveinstalller by default. Please download and test your version of this release from here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-2-beta.iso 6db05c91d2bc1a6c4af1044cea2ae0b6d63931af soas-2-beta.iso When placing the image on your USB key, please use either liveusb-creator [1] for Windows or livecd-iso-to-disk [2] for Linux. We are also providing an appliance image for use with VirtualBox, as well as VMware, to allow even Mac users to test Sugar on a Stick [3]. Later in the development cycle, SoaS will also feature specific images the XO. Finally, please note also that we are going to have a test day on SoaS with Fedora QA this Thursday. More information will be provided later. In case you encounter any issues, please report them at our bug tracker: https://launchpad.net/soas Thanks, --Sebastian Dziallas [1] https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ [2] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh [3] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas3-20090830.zip From bernie at codewiz.org Sun Aug 30 22:34:35 2009 From: bernie at codewiz.org (Bernie Innocenti) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:34:35 -0400 Subject: SoaS v2 Beta Release - "The Next Big Thing" In-Reply-To: <4A9AD705.6020504@when.com> References: <4A9AD705.6020504@when.com> Message-ID: <1251671675.29753.47.camel@giskard> El Sun, 30-08-2009 a las 21:46 +0200, Sebastian Dziallas escribi?: > Please download and test your version of this release from here: > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-2-beta.iso > > 6db05c91d2bc1a6c4af1044cea2ae0b6d63931af soas-2-beta.iso Hmm I can't find the image anywhere. Are you sure you really uploaded it on sunjammer? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ From sebastian at when.com Sun Aug 30 23:00:44 2009 From: sebastian at when.com (Sebastian Dziallas) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:00:44 +0200 Subject: SoaS v2 Beta Release - "The Next Big Thing" In-Reply-To: <1251671675.29753.47.camel@giskard> References: <4A9AD705.6020504@when.com> <1251671675.29753.47.camel@giskard> Message-ID: <4A9B049C.6040505@when.com> Bernie Innocenti wrote: > El Sun, 30-08-2009 a las 21:46 +0200, Sebastian Dziallas escribi?: >> Please download and test your version of this release from here: >> >> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-2-beta.iso >> >> 6db05c91d2bc1a6c4af1044cea2ae0b6d63931af soas-2-beta.iso > > Hmm I can't find the image anywhere. Are you sure you really uploaded > it on sunjammer? I accidentally pushed out a wrong image. That's fixed now. Just redownload. Same URL. Apologies for any inconveniences! 6b2a235251d545013c020ded05a8336eceff8114 soas-2-beta.iso --Sebastian