From tim at niemueller.de Thu May 15 07:45:07 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:45:07 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Welcome to the world of robotics in Fedora Message-ID: <482BEA03.4050906@niemueller.de> Hi Jeff and Arindam. As you see the mailing list has been created and we can start discussing! Here are the first notes I'd like to share. I could not resist and gave packaging Player a try. It's not done yet but I hope to have something this weekend but there is another appointment and thus I don't know for sure. Additionally there was an F-9 installation and new stuff to play with slowing me down a bit :-) Arindam, what's your progress on Player? I've talked to the guy who used Player/Gazebo in our project: the problem that he faced was, that when adding a new sensor model, it would only be compiled if it was used in another model. Seems to be a buildsys related issue that has to be re-evaluated. We should have a look anyway about proper ways to extend the base functionality of Gazebo and if this can be done without using the source of Gazebo. All that should be necessary is a yet-to-be-defined -devel package. It should also provide some well-known paths where to put custom code, like /usr/lib{,64}/gazebo/... and ~/.gazebo/... This may need some tweaking but I don't know. Jeff, this would be something you intern could look into, right? Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From makghosh at gmail.com Thu May 15 19:18:12 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:48:12 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Welcome to the world of robotics in Fedora In-Reply-To: <482BEA03.4050906@niemueller.de> References: <482BEA03.4050906@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <8990327d0805151218l862b9bbqd10b9d44e5b2c38@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > As you see the mailing list has been created and we can start > discussing! Here are the first notes I'd like to share. > Great!! > I could not resist and gave packaging Player a try. It's not done yet > but I hope to have something this weekend but there is another > appointment and thus I don't know for sure. Additionally there was an > F-9 installation and new stuff to play with slowing me down a bit :-) > Arindam, what's your progress on Player? yeah yeah...i will put it up soon prolly in this weekend :) > I've talked to the guy who used Player/Gazebo in our project: the > problem that he faced was, that when adding a new sensor model, it would > only be compiled if it was used in another model. Seems to be a buildsys > related issue that has to be re-evaluated. > > We should have a look anyway about proper ways to extend the base > functionality of Gazebo and if this can be done without using the source > of Gazebo. All that should be necessary is a yet-to-be-defined -devel > package. It should also provide some well-known paths where to put > custom code, like /usr/lib{,64}/gazebo/... and ~/.gazebo/... This may > need some tweaking but I don't know. Jeff, this would be something you > intern could look into, right? > -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 16 00:10:17 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:10:17 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] I have the Tech Challenge Robotics Kit in hand Message-ID: <604aa7910805151710q25b5a72se15ffa790a18d2eb@mail.gmail.com> So I saw my teacher friend. I have what I think is the entire $900 kit based on the Lego mindstorms NXT which should be the kit uses in next year's Tech Challenge. Here's the blog concerning the new platform http://www.firsttechchallenge.blogspot.com/ I'm going to try to leverage my Fedora Board creds, and see if I can get a line of communication going with the people behind the new platform. I'm sure you've seen the Mindstorm NXT kit. The new tech challenge platform consists of the mindstorms kit with an additional motor/sensors/servo multiplexor box that communicates via i2C back to the main NXT brick. Raise your hand if you are experienced with i2c communication for robotics. On top of that you get the metal structural hardware to put a somewhat robust robot together so you don't have to use plastic lego components as main structural elements. I'll take pictures of what I have in hand. Its not pretty, its a de-commissioned robot they used in April at the demo competition in Atlanta. So big picture time..... Getting player/stage to be able to model a specific mindstorm nxt configuration and then being able to use player/stage to control the that mindstorm nxt configuration via bluetooth would be...dreamy. -jef From tim at niemueller.de Fri May 16 23:23:48 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 01:23:48 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Player Progress Message-ID: <482E1784.30700@niemueller.de> Hi there. I made some progress with the Player package but it's not done, yet. After fixing some (trivial) GCC 4.3 related problems I'm currently fighting with rpath being used. I have to remove it but it seems to be necessary to link the server. I'm tired, have to sleep about it. Tomorrow and probably also on Sunday won't be much time to work on this so I probably will have nothing before Monday or even Tuesday. Arindam, I'd suggest you have a closer look at Stage/Gazebo already. Although Player is a dependency you could start creating specs or so if you are otherwise bored ;-) I'll keep you posted, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From dwight at supercomputer.org Sat May 17 18:58:47 2008 From: dwight at supercomputer.org (dwight at supercomputer.org) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:58:47 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Re: I have the Tech Challenge Robotics Kit in hand Message-ID: <200805171158.48089.dwight@supercomputer.org> Thanks for getting the list going, btw. On Thursday, 15 May 2008 at 16:10:17, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > ... > I'm sure you've seen the Mindstorm NXT kit. The new tech challenge > platform consists of the mindstorms kit with an additional > motor/sensors/servo multiplexor box that communicates via i2C back to > the main NXT brick. Raise your hand if you are experienced with i2c > communication for robotics. Probably not many people are. I've found that, in the embedded Linux world in general, only about 1-2% of the developers I've met are familiar with I2C. That said, I2C is the simplest bus protocol there is. It was designed that way for a reason. My advice here is to just go for it. > So big picture time..... Getting player/stage to be able to model a > specific mindstorm nxt configuration and then being able to use > player/stage to control the that mindstorm nxt configuration via > bluetooth would be...dreamy. I agree. This is a good goal to shoot for. -dwight- From tim at niemueller.de Tue May 20 00:20:33 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 02:20:33 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Player Progress In-Reply-To: <482E1784.30700@niemueller.de> References: <482E1784.30700@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <48321951.9080400@niemueller.de> Hi robot folks. I'm getting there. Today I've built the player package and made rpmlint somewhat happy. There is still stuff left to do, some of the things that need work: - have a system wide plugin directory (%{_libdir}/player/plugins seems reasonable) - Make sure plugins can be installed in a user's home directory (if Player can be extended after compilation, still have to check that out), ~/.player/plugins seems reasonable - Make Player use these directories - Create sub-packages for example applications/plugins and remove them from -doc package. - investigate "funny" Python executables installed in %{_bindir} - make sure Python executables are packaged into -python subpackage - do test runs - push GCC 4.3 and no-rpath patches upstream (will do after package stabilizes) - Koji scratch builds I've uploaded the current state to http://fedorapeople.org/~timn/player so feel free to grab, test and modify it. If you start working please let me know to avoid doing work twice. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From makghosh at gmail.com Tue May 20 13:35:32 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:05:32 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Player Progress In-Reply-To: <48321951.9080400@niemueller.de> References: <482E1784.30700@niemueller.de> <48321951.9080400@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <8990327d0805200635g18ea11f8o49c0ca6d7b07edff@mail.gmail.com> Hey Tim, Good work with the rpath problem/patch in player. That is where i got a lil' stuck...I was thinkin of relocating examples and/or plugins entirely which you proposed in the objectives. +1 for /.player/plugins And those python bytecodes is also another thing that seems weird. Haven't really tested your spec file although it matches mine except the -static package. I mean i actually removed libtool archives. Are you sure they are required? cheers, Arindam From tim at niemueller.de Wed May 21 14:31:16 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:31:16 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Postpone meeting Message-ID: <48343234.8080303@niemueller.de> Hi there. I've to go to the vet with our dog tonight and thus I can't make it to the meeting at 16:00 UTC. Is anyone oppose to delay the meeting either by two hours today or to the same time tommorrow? Jef, Arindam, Heyadat? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed May 21 15:38:56 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 07:38:56 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Postpone meeting In-Reply-To: <48343234.8080303@niemueller.de> References: <48343234.8080303@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <604aa7910805210838p2ac32367r1e9bfc32e6624403@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi there. > > I've to go to the vet with our dog tonight and thus I can't make it to > the meeting at 16:00 UTC. Is anyone oppose to delay the meeting either > by two hours today or to the same time tommorrow? Today would be better than tomorrow. -jef From tim at niemueller.de Wed May 21 15:40:59 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:40:59 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Postpone meeting In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805210838p2ac32367r1e9bfc32e6624403@mail.gmail.com> References: <48343234.8080303@niemueller.de> <604aa7910805210838p2ac32367r1e9bfc32e6624403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4834428B.6040306@niemueller.de> Jeff Spaleta schrieb: > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Tim Niemueller wrote: >> Hi there. >> >> I've to go to the vet with our dog tonight and thus I can't make it to >> the meeting at 16:00 UTC. Is anyone oppose to delay the meeting either >> by two hours today or to the same time tommorrow? > > Today would be better than tomorrow. Ok, I'll be online as soon as I'm back. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From tim at niemueller.de Wed May 21 22:59:44 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:59:44 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting minutes 2008-05-21 Message-ID: <4834A960.1090500@niemueller.de> I've put the meeting minutes online at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Robotics/Meeting-20080521 Please reply if the date/time is ok with you, couldn't get all final answers I think. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From tim at niemueller.de Fri May 23 00:21:06 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 02:21:06 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Player Review Request Message-ID: <48360DF2.8060405@niemueller.de> Hi all. I have posted a review request for Player (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448025). Please have a look and someone take it :-) The scratch build isn't finished for ppc64, yet. I don't expect any problems though and I'm tired and need to sleep... Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri May 23 22:36:17 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:36:17 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Player Review Request In-Reply-To: <48360DF2.8060405@niemueller.de> References: <48360DF2.8060405@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <604aa7910805231536t1258499ha1a1c0f340df5142@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > I have posted a review request for Player > (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448025). Please have a look > and someone take it :-) I'll be able to look at this tonite. -jef From tim at niemueller.de Mon May 26 23:48:14 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 01:48:14 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Away notice Message-ID: <483B4C3E.90706@niemueller.de> Hi robot enthusiasts. I'm going to be away for a short vacation from Wednesday May 28th 2008 to Sunday June 1st 2008. Jeff, if you could have a look at the review maybe we can get Player in before that -- if there are no major issues found that is... Arindam, did you have a look at the Player package and maybe even used it with Stage/Gazebo? Regards, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 11:08:28 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:38:28 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] rcssserver3d spec Message-ID: <48491AAC.30507@gmail.com> Hi all, First of all, excuse me for my absence in Wednesday's meeting. I was not able to access the internet. Anyway, I've prepared a spec file considering Fedora packaging guidelines and I think I'm almost ready to create a package review request. I'll upload my spec and SRPM files somewhere and create a package review request. But till then, it would be nice if you can have a brief look at my spec file and let me know your suggestions. I've attached the spec file to this email. Thanks, Hedayat -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: rcssserver3d.spec URL: From hedayatv at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 21:57:39 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:27:39 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] rcssserver3d Review Request Message-ID: <484B0453.9010604@gmail.com> Hi all, I've just submitted my review request for rcssserver3d package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450409 This is my first package in Fedora! :) Thanks, Hedayat From tim at niemueller.de Mon Jun 9 12:10:20 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:10:20 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] rcssserver3d Review Request In-Reply-To: <484B0453.9010604@gmail.com> References: <484B0453.9010604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <484D1DAC.6050604@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > Hi all, > > I've just submitted my review request for rcssserver3d package: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450409 Great! I've compiled the package and got some errors: - Unpackaged file /usr/bin/rcssmonitor3D-lite, after adding this to the %files section I could build it. - The devel packages triggers rpmlint warnings which have to be fixed: # rpmlint rcssserver3d-devel-0.5.9-1.fc9.x86_64.rpm rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: no-documentation rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libsalt.so libsalt.so.0.3.1 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libspark.so libspark.so.0.0.0 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/librcssmonitor3D.so librcssmonitor3D.so.1.1.0 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/liboxygen.so liboxygen.so.3.2.3 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libkerosin.so libkerosin.so.1.0.1 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libzeitgeist.so libzeitgeist.so.3.0.1 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libtinyxml.so libtinyxml.so.0.0.0 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/librcssnet3D.so librcssnet3D.so.0.0.0 rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: E: only-non-binary-in-usr-lib - You should consider splitting the patch in one GCC4.3 and one rpath patch - You are a rcssserver3d committer, right? So why not commit the fixes and build a package from SVN? - The patches seem to contain changes besides fixing rpath and GCC 4.3, are these changes necessary? Should be a separate patch then. - The explicit requires on the libraries shouldn't be necessary, rpmbuild should be able to figure them out automatically - What do you mean by comment 4, the "included some so files". What are these .so files? If these libraries are part of rcssserver3d they should be added! I don't really understand what you mean I think. I haven't done any runtime tests. Jeff, can I do the review and you sponsor him or do you need to do the review then as well (I can't sponsor). Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From tim at niemueller.de Mon Jun 9 12:12:57 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:12:57 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Review Request: libkni Message-ID: <484D1E49.3070106@niemueller.de> Hi. Due to immediate need I've package the Katana Native Interface (KNI). This is a library to access the robotic arms produced by Neuronics (http://www.neuronics.ch). We use this arm on our robot. Since the package is GPLv2 it can be included in Fedora. The review request is at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450527. Please feel free to review! Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From tim at niemueller.de Mon Jun 9 12:14:03 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:14:03 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The failed meeting 2008/06/04 Message-ID: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> Hi all. Since the last meeting did not really work as planned we have to re-schedule the meeting. We probably have to get better on this one. Is everybody available this week or would you prefer to have a meeting next week? The topics up to now: - Discuss progress on Player/Stage/Gazebo This one is crucial, as having this combo running on a LiveCD is the first milestone that we agreed on. - Discuss progress on RoboCup 3D Sim Soccer Server - Pending package reviews (player, rcssserver3d, libkni) We still need more interested people to distribute the work. Quite a few new members are on the mailing list, anyone interested to jump in and get his/her hands dirty? Comments, objections? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 16:59:26 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:29:26 +0330 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] rcssserver3d Review Request In-Reply-To: <484D1DAC.6050604@niemueller.de> References: <484B0453.9010604@gmail.com> <484D1DAC.6050604@niemueller.de> Message-ID: Hi Tim, Thank you a lot for your fast response and detailed answer. It is great. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > ... > Great! I've compiled the package and got some errors: > > - Unpackaged file /usr/bin/rcssmonitor3D-lite, after adding this to the > %files section I could build it. Oh, Thanks! Since I don't have freeglut-devel installed, this file wasn't produced on my system. This file isn't useful now and I'll remove it in the %install section. > - The devel packages triggers rpmlint warnings which have to be fixed: > # rpmlint rcssserver3d-devel-0.5.9-1.fc9.x86_64.rpm > rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: no-documentation > ... > /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libtinyxml.so libtinyxml.so.0.0.0 > rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink > ... > rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: E: only-non-binary-in-usr-lib Would you please help me a little: 1. There are some documentation for developers, but since they're a little big, I prefer to package them in a separate package. (They will double the package size). However there are some HTML pages which I can put here as documentation (I wanted to put them in the doc package). Is it necessary to have some doc files?! 2. What should I do with dangling-relative-symlink warning? The symlinks are valid, but the targets are in the main package. I don't know what should I do to prevent these warnings :( What can I do? 3. I should go home and check it again, but I think there are only some symlinks in /usr/lib. What's the problem? I don't know what else should be in this directory as other files should be in the main package. > - You should consider splitting the patch in one GCC4.3 and one rpath patch > > - You are a rcssserver3d committer, right? So why not commit the fixes > and build a package from SVN? > > - The patches seem to contain changes besides fixing rpath and GCC 4.3, > are these changes necessary? Should be a separate patch then. In fact, I first committed these change to rcssserver3d's CVS and then created the patches using that. This is why all of the patches are in a single file. Yes, I personally prefer to create a package from CVS, but since one of the review requirement was to compare the package's sources MD5 with upstream release, I thought that I can't build a package from CVS. What should I include in my review request if I build a package from the CVS code? - The explicit requires on the libraries shouldn't be necessary, > rpmbuild should be able to figure them out automatically I was forced to add them for SUSE Build Service. Is there any need to remove them? - What do you mean by comment 4, the "included some so files". What are > these .so files? If these libraries are part of rcssserver3d they should > be added! I don't really understand what you mean I think. Sorry for this ambiguity. It is stated in Fedora packaging guidelines that when a package includes versioned .so files, the .so symlinks must go in the -devel package. But I can't do that since the server's binary looks for these .so files. This is why only a few of .so files are in the -devel package. I haven't done any runtime tests. At least, they work on my system. Thanks again, Hedayat > Jeff, can I do the review and you sponsor him or do you need to do the > review then as well (I can't sponsor). > > Tim > > -- > Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de > ================================================================= > Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hedayatv at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 17:00:55 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:30:55 +0330 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The failed meeting 2008/06/04 In-Reply-To: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> References: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> Message-ID: Hi, I think I'm available this week. (If everything go as planned!) On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi all. > > Since the last meeting did not really work as planned we have to > re-schedule the meeting. We probably have to get better on this one. Is > everybody available this week or would you prefer to have a meeting next > week? > > The topics up to now: > - Discuss progress on Player/Stage/Gazebo > This one is crucial, as having this combo running on a LiveCD is the > first milestone that we agreed on. > - Discuss progress on RoboCup 3D Sim Soccer Server > - Pending package reviews (player, rcssserver3d, libkni) > > We still need more interested people to distribute the work. Quite a few > new members are on the mailing list, anyone interested to jump in and > get his/her hands dirty? > > Comments, objections? > Tim > > -- > Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de > ================================================================= > Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From makghosh at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 17:14:07 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:44:07 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The failed meeting 2008/06/04 In-Reply-To: References: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <8990327d0806091014l604c144exf674b22357a46b93@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for being offline mostly....my semester exams ends by June 12....so anytime after that :) --cheers Arindam On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > Hi, > I think I'm available this week. (If everything go as planned!) > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> >> Since the last meeting did not really work as planned we have to >> re-schedule the meeting. We probably have to get better on this one. Is >> everybody available this week or would you prefer to have a meeting next >> week? >> >> The topics up to now: >> - Discuss progress on Player/Stage/Gazebo >> This one is crucial, as having this combo running on a LiveCD is the >> first milestone that we agreed on. >> - Discuss progress on RoboCup 3D Sim Soccer Server >> - Pending package reviews (player, rcssserver3d, libkni) >> >> We still need more interested people to distribute the work. Quite a few >> new members are on the mailing list, anyone interested to jump in and >> get his/her hands dirty? >> >> Comments, objections? >> Tim >> >> -- >> Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de >> ================================================================= >> Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-robotics-list mailing list >> Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From tim at niemueller.de Tue Jun 10 16:01:25 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:01:25 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] rcssserver3d Review Request In-Reply-To: References: <484B0453.9010604@gmail.com> <484D1DAC.6050604@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <484EA555.1040005@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > Hi Tim, > Thank you a lot for your fast response and detailed answer. It is great. That's what this SIG is meant to be good for :-) > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Tim Niemueller > wrote: > > ... > > Great! I've compiled the package and got some errors: > > - Unpackaged file /usr/bin/rcssmonitor3D-lite, after adding this to the > %files section I could build it. > > Oh, Thanks! Since I don't have freeglut-devel installed, this file > wasn't produced on my system. This file isn't useful now and I'll remove > it in the %install section. OK. > - The devel packages triggers rpmlint warnings which have to be fixed: > # rpmlint rcssserver3d-devel-0.5.9-1.fc9.x86_64.rpm > rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: no-documentation > ... > /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libtinyxml.so libtinyxml.so.0.0.0 > rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink > ... > rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: E: only-non-binary-in-usr-lib > > Would you please help me a little: > 1. There are some documentation for developers, but since they're a > little big, I prefer to package them in a separate package. (They will > double the package size). However there are some HTML pages which I can > put here as documentation (I wanted to put them in the doc package). Is > it necessary to have some doc files?! The main package should have README, AUTHORS, LICENSE files etc., the verbose documentation is well-placed in the -doc subpackage. You can ignore the no-documentation warning in that case for the other packages. > 2. What should I do with dangling-relative-symlink warning? The symlinks > are valid, but the targets are in the main package. I don't know what > should I do to prevent these warnings :( What can I do? The link should probably point to the full path, not just the file. Give it a try, I'm not absolutely sure on this one. > 3. I should go home and check it again, but I think there are only some > symlinks in /usr/lib. What's the problem? I don't know what else should > be in this directory as other files should be in the main package. You mean for the very same problem? > - You should consider splitting the patch in one GCC4.3 and one > rpath patch > > - You are a rcssserver3d committer, right? So why not commit the fixes > and build a package from SVN? > > - The patches seem to contain changes besides fixing rpath and GCC 4.3, > are these changes necessary? Should be a separate patch then. > > > In fact, I first committed these change to rcssserver3d's CVS and then > created the patches using that. This is why all of the patches are in a > single file. > Yes, I personally prefer to create a package from CVS, but since one of > the review requirement was to compare the package's sources MD5 with > upstream release, I thought that I can't build a package from CVS. What > should I include in my review request if I build a package from the CVS > code? Just a short explanation like "CVS contains fixes needed for proper Fedora packaging". You need then a special release number like 0.5.10-0.1.cvs20080610. Note the release number of 0.1. This is required to allow for proper upgrading when the final 0.5.10 is released. > - The explicit requires on the libraries shouldn't be necessary, > rpmbuild should be able to figure them out automatically > > I was forced to add them for SUSE Build Service. Is there any need to > remove them? It's a recommendation in the guidelines to *not* have these explicit requires if not really necessary. You can just leave it out in the Fedora block. > - What do you mean by comment 4, the "included some so files". What are > these .so files? If these libraries are part of rcssserver3d they should > be added! I don't really understand what you mean I think. > > Sorry for this ambiguity. It is stated in Fedora packaging guidelines > that when a package includes versioned .so files, the .so symlinks must > go in the -devel package. But I can't do that since the server's binary > looks for these .so files. This is why only a few of .so files are in > the -devel package. Does it explicitly dlopen these files? Auto-linking at runtime should catch this otherwise. If it dlopens the files these could account as "plugins" or so, and in that case I think it is fine to have these in the main package. > I haven't done any runtime tests. > > At least, they work on my system. Good. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 18:36:02 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:06:02 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] rcssserver3d Review Request In-Reply-To: <484EA555.1040005@niemueller.de> References: <484B0453.9010604@gmail.com> <484D1DAC.6050604@niemueller.de> <484EA555.1040005@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <484EC992.700@gmail.com> /*Tim Niemueller */ wrote on 06/10/2008 08:31:25 PM: > Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > > ... >> - The devel packages triggers rpmlint warnings which have to be fixed: >> # rpmlint rcssserver3d-devel-0.5.9-1.fc9.x86_64.rpm >> rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: no-documentation >> ... >> /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libtinyxml.so libtinyxml.so.0.0.0 >> rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink >> ... >> rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: E: only-non-binary-in-usr-lib >> >> ... >> > > The main package should have README, AUTHORS, LICENSE files etc., the > verbose documentation is well-placed in the -doc subpackage. You can > ignore the no-documentation warning in that case for the other packages. > OK, so I'll ignore this warning and will create -doc package. The main package has the mentioned files. >> 2. What should I do with dangling-relative-symlink warning? The symlinks >> are valid, but the targets are in the main package. I don't know what >> should I do to prevent these warnings :( What can I do? >> > > The link should probably point to the full path, not just the file. Give > it a try, I'm not absolutely sure on this one. > OK, I'll check it >> 3. I should go home and check it again, but I think there are only some >> symlinks in /usr/lib. What's the problem? I don't know what else should >> be in this directory as other files should be in the main package. >> > > You mean for the very same problem? > Oh sorry, I was talking about this error: E: only-non-binary-in-usr-lib >> ... >> > > Just a short explanation like "CVS contains fixes needed for proper > Fedora packaging". You need then a special release number like > 0.5.10-0.1.cvs20080610. Note the release number of 0.1. This is required > to allow for proper upgrading when the final 0.5.10 is released. > OK, thanks. >> - The explicit requires on the libraries shouldn't be necessary, >> rpmbuild should be able to figure them out automatically >> >> I was forced to add them for SUSE Build Service. Is there any need to >> remove them? >> > > It's a recommendation in the guidelines to *not* have these explicit > requires if not really necessary. You can just leave it out in the > Fedora block. > OK! >> - What do you mean by comment 4, the "included some so files". What are >> these .so files? If these libraries are part of rcssserver3d they should >> be added! I don't really understand what you mean I think. >> >> Sorry for this ambiguity. It is stated in Fedora packaging guidelines >> that when a package includes versioned .so files, the .so symlinks must >> go in the -devel package. But I can't do that since the server's binary >> looks for these .so files. This is why only a few of .so files are in >> the -devel package. >> > > Does it explicitly dlopen these files? Auto-linking at runtime should > catch this otherwise. If it dlopens the files these could account as > "plugins" or so, and in that case I think it is fine to have these in > the main package. > Yes, they ARE plugins. OK, thank you very much. I'll fix my .spec file and will create a new SRPM using CVS version of the server. Good luck, Hedayat > >> I haven't done any runtime tests. >> >> At least, they work on my system. >> > > Good. > > Tim > > From denis at icmc.usp.br Wed Jun 11 12:17:02 2008 From: denis at icmc.usp.br (Denis Wolf) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:17:02 -0300 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] CFP: ACM SAC 09 - ROBOTICS Track In-Reply-To: <46C45C3C.3020206@icmc.usp.br> References: <46C45C3C.3020206@icmc.usp.br> Message-ID: <484FC23E.1010506@icmc.usp.br> ACM SAC 2009 - CALL FOR PAPERS Track: Intelligent Robotic Systems (ROBOT) http://www.icmc.usp.br/~lrm/sac09/ The 24th Annual ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (SIGAPP) March 8 - 12, 2009, Hilton Hawaiian Village Beach Resort & Spa Waikiki Beach, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA (http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/sac2009/) Call for papers: For the past twenty-three years, the ACM Symposium on Applied Computing has been a primary gathering forum for applied computer scientists, computer engineers, software engineers, and application developers from around the world. For the second year, the ACM SAC will have a specific track on robotics. It aims to be a forum for researchers to share experiences, expose issues, and discuss about this exciting research field. Robotics is a multidisciplinary area of study that presents an enormous commercial and research potential. While industrial robotics covers the study, design, and use of robot systems for manufacturing, mobile robotics concerns about developing systems that are capable of making decisions and acting autonomously in real and unpredictable environments to accomplish determined tasks. In the last decade, technological advances made possible the development of very efficient sensors and electronic devices at affordable prices. This fact has great impact on robotics research, allowing the development of efficient and relatively cheap sensors and computing devices. It also allows robots to accomplish more complex tasks, posing new challenges to scientists and engineers. This track focuses on all aspects of robotics, including related areas and applications. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: Rehabilitation Robotics Humanoid Robotics Underwater Robots Search and Rescue Robots Entertainment Robots Multi-robot Coordination Active Perception and Vision Coverage and Deployment Learning Autonomous systems Navigation Localization and Mapping Evolutionary Robotics Grasping Control Architectures and Programming Bio-Inspired Robots Aerial Robotics Contact Modeling and Touching Educational Robotics Smart Actuators Micro/nano robotics Embedded Systems architectures Reconfigurable robotic platforms Vision-based Systems Multi-robot systems Simulation Important Dates * Aug. 16, 2008: Paper submissions * Oct. 11, 2008: Author notification * Oct. 25, 2008: Camera-Ready Copy From tim at niemueller.de Wed Jun 11 13:29:34 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:29:34 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The failed meeting 2008/06/04 In-Reply-To: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> References: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <484FD33E.8030900@niemueller.de> Hi. Would everybody be happy with next Wednesday, June 18th 2008, 16:00 UTC? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 16:24:53 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:54:53 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The failed meeting 2008/06/04 In-Reply-To: <484FD33E.8030900@niemueller.de> References: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> <484FD33E.8030900@niemueller.de> Message-ID: Hi, That should be fine with me. Thanks, Hedayat On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi. > > Would everybody be happy with next Wednesday, June 18th 2008, 16:00 UTC? > > Tim > > -- > Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de > ================================================================= > Imagination is more important than knowledge. 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URL: From makghosh at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 02:47:34 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:17:34 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The failed meeting 2008/06/04 In-Reply-To: <484FD33E.8030900@niemueller.de> References: <484D1E8B.8090203@niemueller.de> <484FD33E.8030900@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <8990327d0806111947l72a53e01je3fc88e5aad326f6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi. > > Would everybody be happy with next Wednesday, June 18th 2008, 16:00 UTC? > Perfectly okay for me :) Arindam -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From hedayatv at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 08:01:09 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:31:09 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] rcssserver3d Review Request In-Reply-To: <484EA555.1040005@niemueller.de> References: <484B0453.9010604@gmail.com> <484D1DAC.6050604@niemueller.de> <484EA555.1040005@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <48522945.6090608@gmail.com> Hi! I've uploaded new SRPM and SPEC files. It would be nice if you or anybody else could have another look. Thanks Hedayat /*Tim Niemueller */ wrote on 06/10/2008 08:31:25 PM: > Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > >> Hi Tim, >> Thank you a lot for your fast response and detailed answer. It is great. >> > > That's what this SIG is meant to be good for :-) > > >> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Tim Niemueller > > wrote: >> >> ... >> >> Great! I've compiled the package and got some errors: >> >> - Unpackaged file /usr/bin/rcssmonitor3D-lite, after adding this to the >> %files section I could build it. >> >> Oh, Thanks! Since I don't have freeglut-devel installed, this file >> wasn't produced on my system. This file isn't useful now and I'll remove >> it in the %install section. >> > > OK. > > >> - The devel packages triggers rpmlint warnings which have to be fixed: >> # rpmlint rcssserver3d-devel-0.5.9-1.fc9.x86_64.rpm >> rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: no-documentation >> ... >> /usr/lib64/rcssserver3d/libtinyxml.so libtinyxml.so.0.0.0 >> rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: W: dangling-relative-symlink >> ... >> rcssserver3d-devel.x86_64: E: only-non-binary-in-usr-lib >> >> Would you please help me a little: >> 1. There are some documentation for developers, but since they're a >> little big, I prefer to package them in a separate package. (They will >> double the package size). However there are some HTML pages which I can >> put here as documentation (I wanted to put them in the doc package). Is >> it necessary to have some doc files?! >> > > The main package should have README, AUTHORS, LICENSE files etc., the > verbose documentation is well-placed in the -doc subpackage. You can > ignore the no-documentation warning in that case for the other packages. > > >> 2. What should I do with dangling-relative-symlink warning? The symlinks >> are valid, but the targets are in the main package. I don't know what >> should I do to prevent these warnings :( What can I do? >> > > The link should probably point to the full path, not just the file. Give > it a try, I'm not absolutely sure on this one. > > >> 3. I should go home and check it again, but I think there are only some >> symlinks in /usr/lib. What's the problem? I don't know what else should >> be in this directory as other files should be in the main package. >> > > You mean for the very same problem? > > >> - You should consider splitting the patch in one GCC4.3 and one >> rpath patch >> >> - You are a rcssserver3d committer, right? So why not commit the fixes >> and build a package from SVN? >> >> - The patches seem to contain changes besides fixing rpath and GCC 4.3, >> are these changes necessary? Should be a separate patch then. >> >> >> In fact, I first committed these change to rcssserver3d's CVS and then >> created the patches using that. This is why all of the patches are in a >> single file. >> Yes, I personally prefer to create a package from CVS, but since one of >> the review requirement was to compare the package's sources MD5 with >> upstream release, I thought that I can't build a package from CVS. What >> should I include in my review request if I build a package from the CVS >> code? >> > > Just a short explanation like "CVS contains fixes needed for proper > Fedora packaging". You need then a special release number like > 0.5.10-0.1.cvs20080610. Note the release number of 0.1. This is required > to allow for proper upgrading when the final 0.5.10 is released. > > >> - The explicit requires on the libraries shouldn't be necessary, >> rpmbuild should be able to figure them out automatically >> >> I was forced to add them for SUSE Build Service. Is there any need to >> remove them? >> > > It's a recommendation in the guidelines to *not* have these explicit > requires if not really necessary. You can just leave it out in the > Fedora block. > > >> - What do you mean by comment 4, the "included some so files". What are >> these .so files? If these libraries are part of rcssserver3d they should >> be added! I don't really understand what you mean I think. >> >> Sorry for this ambiguity. It is stated in Fedora packaging guidelines >> that when a package includes versioned .so files, the .so symlinks must >> go in the -devel package. But I can't do that since the server's binary >> looks for these .so files. This is why only a few of .so files are in >> the -devel package. >> > > Does it explicitly dlopen these files? Auto-linking at runtime should > catch this otherwise. If it dlopens the files these could account as > "plugins" or so, and in that case I think it is fine to have these in > the main package. > > >> I haven't done any runtime tests. >> >> At least, they work on my system. >> > > Good. > > Tim > > From tim at niemueller.de Wed Jun 18 11:38:28 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:38:28 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting reminder 2008-06-18 Message-ID: <4858F3B4.2070807@niemueller.de> Hi. Just a short reminder that we planned a meeting for today at 16:00 UTC. Is everybody able to attend? Anything special for the agenda? Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 13:55:48 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:55:48 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting reminder 2008-06-18 In-Reply-To: <4858F3B4.2070807@niemueller.de> References: <4858F3B4.2070807@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <604aa7910806180655p2a07e3ebt7c73c416044d3c47@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi. > > Just a short reminder that we planned a meeting for today at 16:00 UTC. > Is everybody able to attend? Anything special for the agenda? We need a reasonably detailed project statement for the intern who starts next week. And I will absolutely have player reviewed by then. -jef From tim at niemueller.de Wed Jun 18 16:21:05 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:21:05 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting reminder 2008-06-18 In-Reply-To: <4858F3B4.2070807@niemueller.de> References: <4858F3B4.2070807@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <485935F1.50605@niemueller.de> Tim Niemueller schrieb: > Hi. > > Just a short reminder that we planned a meeting for today at 16:00 UTC. > Is everybody able to attend? Anything special for the agenda? Meeting is now. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 22:05:50 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:35:50 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] [Fwd: Re: rpmlint warnings] Message-ID: <485D7B3E.3030609@gmail.com> Hi! This is the last responses about the rpmlint warnings: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: rpmlint warnings Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:06:08 +0300 From: Ville Skytt? Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora To: Patrice Dumas , fedora-devel-list at redhat.com References: <485AEFD6.7030701 at grad.com> <485BE4CC.6050202 at grad.com> <20080620213424.GA2614 at free.fr> On Saturday 21 June 2008, Patrice Dumas wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:41:40PM +0430, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes it does. > > You can ignore the warning then. If you run rpmlint against the > installed rpm it shouldn't complain. Yep, this is a rpmlint bug. It has code in place to skip all dangling symlink checks for *.so (no matter what the package dependencies are), but that code currently matches only *.so placed directly in */lib and */lib64 dirs. Improved upstream: http://rpmlint.zarb.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/1434 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list From makghosh at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 12:02:24 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:32:24 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] submitted stage review Message-ID: <8990327d0806230502j5f835f65s88f5ff786c06fd50@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I submitted the stage package for review [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452486] couple of minutes back. Feel free to review it. But i'm not able to do a koji scratch build because player-devel is a dependency for it. I did test build on my i386 box and rpmlint doesn't any error as of now. Anyway, after this we have to handle the big thing called gazebo! cheers, Arindam -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From tim at niemueller.de Wed Jul 2 08:12:27 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:12:27 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting reminder 2008/07/02 Message-ID: <486B386B.4000306@niemueller.de> Hi everybody. This is a reminder that we have an IRC meeting today at 16:00 UTC in #fedora-robotics on freenode. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 13:46:12 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:46:12 -0400 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Greetings Message-ID: <455eb1160807030646k617a4169o8963710f021451c1@mail.gmail.com> I introduced myself yesterday at the meeting on irc, but I'll take a moment to reintroduce myself since only two others were on the channel when I introduced myself. My name is John McLean, and I'm a fedora intern at Red Hat working for Greg DeKoenigsberg. I'd like to help out with the robotics SIG, but don't know where to start. I'm starting to learn about the software that's listed on the wiki page, and from what I understand this SIG is mainly just trying to get software packaged and in the fedora repos right now. If there's a project within this SIG that needs working on, just let me know and I'll start working on it. --John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If there's a project within this SIG that needs working on, > just let me know and I'll start working on it. That is only half the truth. Packaging is a first step that needs to be done. Besides providing the basic packages to drive and develop for a robot we want to create an educational environment. We plan to create a LiveCD, that will feature a simulator and simple control (and later development) environment, that makes it easy to just start with robotics. See the robot moving in the (simulated) environment, influence it, make it do weird things. Later on the road should be integration of a simple development environment that gets people started. We have agreed on Player/Stage/Gazebo for a start. It is widely used and features a 2D and 3D simulator and various sensors and actuators that are supported. I personally would like to see this LiveCD to hand it out to interested people, to students, to starters, to kids. We are currently lacking man power, so you are more than welcome! Reviews are currently underway for Player and Stage. The next big thing is fixing these packages to make them suitable for inclusion and push possible patches upstream and eventually get Gazebo packaged. This is where I could think work could be done by you - investigating on and packaging Gazebo. Besides the LiveCD we want to provide the tool for robotics researchers and engineers. Thus we need software that is easily extensible. We have to know what has to happen that someone can make use of Gazebo when it is installed system wide. Can new models be added on-the-fly, or is re-compilation necessary (we used it here about two years back and at that time patching was necessary, this might have changed). What would we need to do to improve the situation? If you want to give it a try I'd say get involved with the Player/Stage/Gazebo endeavor. See what's there, start packaging Gazebo. Find out how it works, how models are included, how it is run and used, what needs to be patched and fixed. What do you think, sounds interesting? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 14:29:59 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:29:59 -0400 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Greetings In-Reply-To: <486CDF5C.7050109@niemueller.de> References: <455eb1160807030646k617a4169o8963710f021451c1@mail.gmail.com> <486CDF5C.7050109@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> Alright, sounds good. Right now I'm trying to get Player and Stage installed on my own system, and I'll do the same with Gazebo. Once I've gotten them installed on mine, I'll work on packaging Gazebo. You should know I'm pretty new at packaging rpms and such, so it'll probably take me a lot longer than it should. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can do. :) --John On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > John McLean schrieb: > > I introduced myself yesterday at the meeting on irc, but I'll take a > > moment to reintroduce myself since only two others were on the channel > > when I introduced myself. > > Hi John. Welcome! > > > My name is John McLean, and I'm a fedora intern at Red Hat working for > > Greg DeKoenigsberg. I'd like to help out with the robotics SIG, but > > don't know where to start. I'm starting to learn about the software > > that's listed on the wiki page, and from what I understand this SIG is > > mainly just trying to get software packaged and in the fedora repos > > right now. If there's a project within this SIG that needs working on, > > just let me know and I'll start working on it. > > That is only half the truth. Packaging is a first step that needs to be > done. Besides providing the basic packages to drive and develop for a > robot we want to create an educational environment. > > We plan to create a LiveCD, that will feature a simulator and simple > control (and later development) environment, that makes it easy to just > start with robotics. See the robot moving in the (simulated) > environment, influence it, make it do weird things. Later on the road > should be integration of a simple development environment that gets > people started. We have agreed on Player/Stage/Gazebo for a start. It is > widely used and features a 2D and 3D simulator and various sensors and > actuators that are supported. > > I personally would like to see this LiveCD to hand it out to interested > people, to students, to starters, to kids. > > We are currently lacking man power, so you are more than welcome! > Reviews are currently underway for Player and Stage. The next big thing > is fixing these packages to make them suitable for inclusion and push > possible patches upstream and eventually get Gazebo packaged. This is > where I could think work could be done by you - investigating on and > packaging Gazebo. > > Besides the LiveCD we want to provide the tool for robotics researchers > and engineers. Thus we need software that is easily extensible. We have > to know what has to happen that someone can make use of Gazebo when it > is installed system wide. Can new models be added on-the-fly, or is > re-compilation necessary (we used it here about two years back and at > that time patching was necessary, this might have changed). What would > we need to do to improve the situation? > > If you want to give it a try I'd say get involved with the > Player/Stage/Gazebo endeavor. See what's there, start packaging Gazebo. > Find out how it works, how models are included, how it is run and used, > what needs to be patched and fixed. > > What do you think, sounds interesting? > > Tim > > -- > Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de > ================================================================= > Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hedayatv at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 18:35:44 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:05:44 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Greetings In-Reply-To: <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> References: <455eb1160807030646k617a4169o8963710f021451c1@mail.gmail.com> <486CDF5C.7050109@niemueller.de> <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486D1C00.4040107@gmail.com> Hi John, Welcome! Thank you for this introduction since I was late for the meeting. Have fun! Bye, Hedayat /*"John McLean" */ wrote on 07/03/2008 06:59:59 PM: > Alright, sounds good. Right now I'm trying to get Player and Stage > installed on my own system, and I'll do the same with Gazebo. Once > I've gotten them installed on mine, I'll work on packaging Gazebo. > You should know I'm pretty new at packaging rpms and such, so it'll > probably take me a lot longer than it should. Nonetheless, I'll see > what I can do. :) > > --John > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Tim Niemueller > wrote: > > John McLean schrieb: > > I introduced myself yesterday at the meeting on irc, but I'll take a > > moment to reintroduce myself since only two others were on the > channel > > when I introduced myself. > > Hi John. Welcome! > > > My name is John McLean, and I'm a fedora intern at Red Hat > working for > > Greg DeKoenigsberg. I'd like to help out with the robotics SIG, but > > don't know where to start. I'm starting to learn about the software > > that's listed on the wiki page, and from what I understand this > SIG is > > mainly just trying to get software packaged and in the fedora repos > > right now. If there's a project within this SIG that needs > working on, > > just let me know and I'll start working on it. > > That is only half the truth. Packaging is a first step that needs > to be > done. Besides providing the basic packages to drive and develop for a > robot we want to create an educational environment. > > We plan to create a LiveCD, that will feature a simulator and simple > control (and later development) environment, that makes it easy to > just > start with robotics. See the robot moving in the (simulated) > environment, influence it, make it do weird things. Later on the road > should be integration of a simple development environment that gets > people started. We have agreed on Player/Stage/Gazebo for a start. > It is > widely used and features a 2D and 3D simulator and various sensors and > actuators that are supported. > > I personally would like to see this LiveCD to hand it out to > interested > people, to students, to starters, to kids. > > We are currently lacking man power, so you are more than welcome! > Reviews are currently underway for Player and Stage. The next big > thing > is fixing these packages to make them suitable for inclusion and push > possible patches upstream and eventually get Gazebo packaged. This is > where I could think work could be done by you - investigating on and > packaging Gazebo. > > Besides the LiveCD we want to provide the tool for robotics > researchers > and engineers. Thus we need software that is easily extensible. We > have > to know what has to happen that someone can make use of Gazebo when it > is installed system wide. Can new models be added on-the-fly, or is > re-compilation necessary (we used it here about two years back and at > that time patching was necessary, this might have changed). What would > we need to do to improve the situation? > > If you want to give it a try I'd say get involved with the > Player/Stage/Gazebo endeavor. See what's there, start packaging > Gazebo. > Find out how it works, how models are included, how it is run and > used, > what needs to be patched and fixed. > > What do you think, sounds interesting? > > Tim > > -- > Tim Niemueller > > www.niemueller.de > ================================================================= > Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list From makghosh at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 21:13:54 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 02:43:54 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Greetings In-Reply-To: <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> References: <455eb1160807030646k617a4169o8963710f021451c1@mail.gmail.com> <486CDF5C.7050109@niemueller.de> <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8990327d0807031413n29966b26m4373d34bd1119669@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:59 PM, John McLean wrote: > Alright, sounds good. Right now I'm trying to get Player and Stage > installed on my own system, and I'll do the same with Gazebo. Once I've > gotten them installed on mine, I'll work on packaging Gazebo. You should > know I'm pretty new at packaging rpms and such, so it'll probably take me a > lot longer than it should. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can do. :) Welcome!! Good start....about packaging gazebo i was looking into it....so anyway lets' bang on and solve all its' problems. We need to get this P/S/G and the one hedayat is doing packaged to give a head way. Drop mail on the list if you get stuck somewhere :) cheers, Arindam -- Arindam Ghosh Fedora Ambassador, India From tim at niemueller.de Thu Jul 3 21:17:50 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:17:50 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Greetings In-Reply-To: <8990327d0807031413n29966b26m4373d34bd1119669@mail.gmail.com> References: <455eb1160807030646k617a4169o8963710f021451c1@mail.gmail.com> <486CDF5C.7050109@niemueller.de> <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0807031413n29966b26m4373d34bd1119669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486D41FE.3090004@niemueller.de> Arindam Ghosh schrieb: > Good start....about packaging gazebo i was looking into it....so Oh, was thinking that you were still busy with Stage. How far did you get, what has been done, do you already know answers for some of the questions I raised? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From makghosh at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 21:50:20 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 03:20:20 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Greetings In-Reply-To: <486D41FE.3090004@niemueller.de> References: <455eb1160807030646k617a4169o8963710f021451c1@mail.gmail.com> <486CDF5C.7050109@niemueller.de> <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0807031413n29966b26m4373d34bd1119669@mail.gmail.com> <486D41FE.3090004@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <8990327d0807031450p4d7b8498u68e58518b618737e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Arindam Ghosh schrieb: > >> Good start....about packaging gazebo i was looking into it....so > > Oh, was thinking that you were still busy with Stage. How far did you > get, what has been done, do you already know answers for some of the > questions I raised? > Stage at this point seems to be okay....let player get in repository...then the reviewer can assign a final review :) As for gazebo....i started lookin in the packaging part of it after givin it a mock run.....i should be able to put up a scratch spec file sometime soon, so that john gets some help... --Arindam From tim at niemueller.de Thu Jul 3 22:01:45 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:01:45 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Greetings In-Reply-To: <8990327d0807031450p4d7b8498u68e58518b618737e@mail.gmail.com> References: <455eb1160807030646k617a4169o8963710f021451c1@mail.gmail.com> <486CDF5C.7050109@niemueller.de> <455eb1160807030729m532862d8rd75e82a9ccda392b@mail.gmail.com> <8990327d0807031413n29966b26m4373d34bd1119669@mail.gmail.com> <486D41FE.3090004@niemueller.de> <8990327d0807031450p4d7b8498u68e58518b618737e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486D4C49.30104@niemueller.de> Arindam Ghosh schrieb: > a mock run.....i should be able to put up a scratch spec file sometime > soon, so that john gets some help... Sounds great! Looking forward to see it! Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 15:29:29 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python Message-ID: The past few days I've been spending some time trying to get p/s/g installed on my system, and for various reasons, I'm having trouble doing so. My plan was to get those installed, and then work on writing up a spec file for gazebo. However, knowing that someone else is also working on that, coupled with my limited experience with packaging in general, also coupled that I'm going to be gone for the next two weeks, leads me to believe that (for now) I should work on something simpler. If no one objects, I'll work on packaging nxt_python, since python programs are generally easier to package. I've already started and should have a spec file written in another hour or so, and hopefully can run some tests this afternoon. Barring no problems, I should be able to submit a package to bugzilla in the near future. I realize that nxt_python isn't critical path and p/s/g and a live-cd are, but I don't yet have enough knowledge to work on packaging gazebo. Once I get back from being gone for two weeks, I should have time to delve deeper and learn enough to be useful. If anyone has any suggestings on what else I could do, I'd be more than happy to listen :) --John From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 16:24:38 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:24:38 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> I've been meaning to catch up with you. If you want something critical to work on. The player package is currently under review...but is stuck because it will not build against Fedora development. I'm pretty sure it just needs a minor patch due to an api change in the geos package, which it builds against. Some function calls from geos have changed in geos 3.0. If you can figure out what needs to be patched so player will build against geos 3.0 that would be keen. Both the player and stage packages under review do build and install against Fedora 9 however. If you want to dig into player/stage you can grab the srpms from the reviews and build them locally to work with until we can get player patched and past review. Sadly I just moved, and until the phone company decides they actually want to connect service back to me I'm going to have a hard time working on getting player patched and past review. It will happen, but maybe not this week. -jef From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 17:04:10 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll go grab the player and stage srpms, install them, and dig in. Don't expect much in terms of a patch since I've only got another day to work before I'll be gone for two weeks. I'll see what I can do, but by the time I get back my guess is you all will probably have already patched it and will be working on other things. I've got nxt_python packaged, so if you'd like I can submit it via bugzilla as soon as I test it with mock/koji. On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I've been meaning to catch up with you. > > If you want something critical to work on. The player package is > currently under review...but is stuck because it will not build > against Fedora development. I'm pretty sure it just needs a minor > patch due to an api change in the geos package, which it builds > against. Some function calls from geos have changed in geos 3.0. If > you can figure out what needs to be patched so player will build > against geos 3.0 that would be keen. > > Both the player and stage packages under review do build and install > against Fedora 9 however. If you want to dig into player/stage you > can grab the srpms from the reviews and build them locally to work > with until we can get player patched and past review. > > Sadly I just moved, and until the phone company decides they actually > want to connect service back to me I'm going to have a hard time > working on getting player patched and past review. It will happen, > but maybe not this week. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 17:10:28 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:10:28 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:04 AM, John McLean wrote: > I'll go grab the player and stage srpms, install them, and dig in. Don't > expect much in terms of a patch since I've only got another day to work > before I'll be gone for two weeks. I'll see what I can do, but by the time > I get back my guess is you all will probably have already patched it and > will be working on other things. I've got nxt_python packaged, so if you'd > like I can submit it via bugzilla as soon as I test it with mock/koji. Let me know the bugzilla ticket number for the submission. Are you sponsored yet as a contributor? Even if you don't have time to patch player. Getting it up and running on an F9 system as is and starting to dig into it would probably be good to do if you don't have experience with it already. -jef From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 19:17:10 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:04 AM, John McLean wrote: >> I'll go grab the player and stage srpms, install them, and dig in. Don't >> expect much in terms of a patch since I've only got another day to work >> before I'll be gone for two weeks. I'll see what I can do, but by the time >> I get back my guess is you all will probably have already patched it and >> will be working on other things. I've got nxt_python packaged, so if you'd >> like I can submit it via bugzilla as soon as I test it with mock/koji. > > > Let me know the bugzilla ticket number for the submission. > > Are you sponsored yet as a contributor? > > Even if you don't have time to patch player. Getting it up and running > on an F9 system as is and starting to dig into it would probably be > good to do if you don't have experience with it already. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > The bugzilla ticket number is 454914, and I'm not yet sponsored as a contributor. From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 20:14:38 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:04 AM, John McLean wrote: >> I'll go grab the player and stage srpms, install them, and dig in. Don't >> expect much in terms of a patch since I've only got another day to work >> before I'll be gone for two weeks. I'll see what I can do, but by the time >> I get back my guess is you all will probably have already patched it and >> will be working on other things. I've got nxt_python packaged, so if you'd >> like I can submit it via bugzilla as soon as I test it with mock/koji. > > > Let me know the bugzilla ticket number for the submission. > > Are you sponsored yet as a contributor? > > Even if you don't have time to patch player. Getting it up and running > on an F9 system as is and starting to dig into it would probably be > good to do if you don't have experience with it already. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > Neither one of the srpms for player or stage seems to want to install properly on my system. They install without errors (but with warnings about the users 'joy' and 'tim' not existing), but I don't see any installed files, period. I'm running an x86_64 system, if that helps any. Most likely, I'm simply being an idiot about something, but I can't get them installed properly. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 20:29:24 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:29:24 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807101329u73f7bd54g2deb455be67cc10a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM, John McLean wrote: > Neither one of the srpms for player or stage seems to want to install > properly on my system. They install without errors (but with warnings about > the users 'joy' and 'tim' not existing), but I don't see any installed > files, period. I'm running an x86_64 system, if that helps any. Most > likely, I'm simply being an idiot about something, but I can't get them > installed properly. I'll generate some F9 64bit binaries which should work and drop them in my fedorapeople, thought problem not in time to get to you before your two week's off the grid. -jef From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 20:35:53 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807101329u73f7bd54g2deb455be67cc10a@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101329u73f7bd54g2deb455be67cc10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Alright, that'll work. Once I get back, fedora-robotics will be my main focus. --John On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM, John McLean wrote: >> Neither one of the srpms for player or stage seems to want to install >> properly on my system. They install without errors (but with warnings about >> the users 'joy' and 'tim' not existing), but I don't see any installed >> files, period. I'm running an x86_64 system, if that helps any. Most >> likely, I'm simply being an idiot about something, but I can't get them >> installed properly. > > > I'll generate some F9 64bit binaries which should work and drop them > in my fedorapeople, thought problem not in time to get to you before > your two week's off the grid. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 22:52:24 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807101329u73f7bd54g2deb455be67cc10a@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101329u73f7bd54g2deb455be67cc10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jef, It turns out I was right -- I was making a newbie mistake trying to install the srpms. I've got player now installed and stage is compiling as I write this email, so don't worry about building any 64bit binaries. --John On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM, John McLean wrote: >> Neither one of the srpms for player or stage seems to want to install >> properly on my system. They install without errors (but with warnings about >> the users 'joy' and 'tim' not existing), but I don't see any installed >> files, period. I'm running an x86_64 system, if that helps any. Most >> likely, I'm simply being an idiot about something, but I can't get them >> installed properly. > > > I'll generate some F9 64bit binaries which should work and drop them > in my fedorapeople, thought problem not in time to get to you before > your two week's off the grid. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > From tim at niemueller.de Thu Jul 10 22:57:28 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:57:28 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Heading for China Message-ID: <487693D8.5060209@niemueller.de> Hi guys. We are going to leave on Saturday for RoboCup 2008 in Suzhou, China. I hope we have Internet so that I can blog a bit about the event. In any case I won't be responding or working on any review requests (as this has already been the case in the last weeks). If there is anything urgent reported please have a look. I should be back on the 23rd. Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 08:10:32 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:40:32 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Status of rcssserver3d & me! Message-ID: <48771578.1000709@gmail.com> Hi all, The rcssserver3d package is approved (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450409), but I should have more activity to be sponsored. So, I've decided to start packaging the 2D server. The first package I've created is rcssbase package (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454940). And hopefully I'll be able to create a package for rcssserver (which depends on rcssbase package) soon. Any comments about creating good packages so that I can be sponsored sooner is highly appreciated :). I'll try to participate in your package reviews too. Good reviews will help me become sponsored. Finally, suddenly many things changed for me, and it seems that I'll be in China for the competitions too. Have a nice time, Hedayat From tim at niemueller.de Fri Jul 11 09:29:13 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:29:13 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Status of rcssserver3d & me! In-Reply-To: <48771578.1000709@gmail.com> References: <48771578.1000709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <487727E9.9030908@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > Hi all, Hi Hedayat. > to create a package for rcssserver (which depends on rcssbase package) > soon. Cool! > Finally, suddenly many things changed for me, and it seems that I'll be > in China for the competitions too. Great! If you can make it you can probably find me in the RoboCup at Home arena or at the SPL (Nao) soccer fields. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 13:28:19 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:58:19 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Status of rcssserver3d & me! In-Reply-To: <487727E9.9030908@niemueller.de> References: <48771578.1000709@gmail.com> <487727E9.9030908@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <48775FF3.9080800@gmail.com> Hi Tim, Thanks! :) OK, I'll try to find you. Good luck, Hedayat /*Tim Niemueller */ wrote on 07/11/2008 01:59:13 PM: > Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > >> Hi all, >> > > Hi Hedayat. > > >> to create a package for rcssserver (which depends on rcssbase package) >> soon. >> > > Cool! > > >> Finally, suddenly many things changed for me, and it seems that I'll be >> in China for the competitions too. >> > > Great! If you can make it you can probably find me in the RoboCup at Home > arena or at the SPL (Nao) soccer fields. > > Tim > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 19:14:16 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:14:16 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910807111214h58488c44s6f73830098e24aa2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:17 AM, John McLean wrote: > The bugzilla ticket number is 454914, and I'm not yet sponsored as a > contributor. Do you have the nxt hardware locally? I've already talked to the python nxt developer and he is open to someone taking over for it as upstream and extending it to support additional hardware 3rd party I2C hardware that is becoming available over time... such as hardware from mindsensors and hitechnic. -jef From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 19:58:07 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] nxt_python In-Reply-To: <604aa7910807111214h58488c44s6f73830098e24aa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910807100924s5387e723x55eb67e7438e9d1a@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807101010i6c26feffu77bf5ff2e3230bdf@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910807111214h58488c44s6f73830098e24aa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:17 AM, John McLean wrote: > >> The bugzilla ticket number is 454914, and I'm not yet sponsored as a >> contributor. > > > Do you have the nxt hardware locally? > > I've already talked to the python nxt developer and he is open to > someone taking over for it as upstream and extending it to support > additional hardware 3rd party I2C hardware that is becoming available > over time... such as hardware from mindsensors and hitechnic. > > -jef > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > Nope, I don't have the nxt hardware locally. There's a good chance I can get it from a friend or two though. When I get back on the grid, I'll take a look at python_nxt in more depth and see if it's something I'd be interested in developing. From denis at icmc.usp.br Tue Jul 22 14:19:12 2008 From: denis at icmc.usp.br (Denis Wolf) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:19:12 -0300 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] ROBOTICS TRACK - ACM SAC 2009 In-Reply-To: <484FC23E.1010506@icmc.usp.br> References: <46C45C3C.3020206@icmc.usp.br> <484FC23E.1010506@icmc.usp.br> Message-ID: <4885EC60.4060609@icmc.usp.br> ACM SAC 2009 - CALL FOR PAPERS Track: Intelligent Robotic Systems (ROBOT) http://www.icmc.usp.br/~lrm/sac09/ The 24th Annual ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (SIGAPP) March 8 - 12, 2009, Hilton Hawaiian Village Beach Resort & Spa Waikiki Beach, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA (http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/sac2009/) For the past twenty-three years, the ACM Symposium on Applied Computing has been a primary gathering forum for applied computer scientists, computer engineers, software engineers, and application developers from around the world. For the second year, the ACM SAC will have a specific track on robotics. It aims to be a forum for researchers to share experiences, expose issues, and discuss about this exciting research field. Robotics is a multidisciplinary area of study that presents an enormous commercial and research potential. While industrial robotics covers the study, design, and use of robot systems for manufacturing, mobile robotics concerns about developing systems that are capable of making decisions and acting autonomously in real and unpredictable environments to accomplish determined tasks. In the last decade, technological advances made possible the development of very efficient sensors and electronic devices at affordable prices. This fact has great impact on robotics research, allowing the development of efficient and relatively cheap sensors and computing devices. It also allows robots to accomplish more complex tasks, posing new challenges to scientists and engineers. This track focuses on all aspects of robotics, including related areas and applications. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: Rehabilitation Robotics Humanoid Robotics Underwater Robots Search and Rescue Robots Entertainment Robots Multi-robot Coordination Active Perception and Vision Coverage and Deployment Learning Autonomous systems Navigation Localization and Mapping Evolutionary Robotics Grasping Control Architectures and Programming Bio-Inspired Robots Aerial Robotics Contact Modeling and Touching Educational Robotics Smart Actuators Micro/nano robotics Embedded Systems architectures Reconfigurable robotic platforms Vision-based Systems Multi-robot systems Simulation Important Dates Aug. 16, 2008: Paper submissions Oct. 11, 2008: Author notification Oct. 25, 2008: Camera-Ready Copy From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 16:49:50 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] player/stage demo program Message-ID: Hello all, I recently returned from my trip, and I'm going to start writing up a demo program for player and stage in the next few days. I'll probably write it in C, since the C library for player is the most documented (I would write it in python --much simpler-- except there is nearly no documentation for the playerc module). What are we looking for in a demo program in terms of functionality? Does it need to be interactive? What interfaces should I include (ie. position, laser, ptz, etc.)? I'm looking for a general idea of what I should start with. --John From tim at niemueller.de Thu Jul 31 22:03:00 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:03:00 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] player/stage demo program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48923694.30102@niemueller.de> John McLean schrieb: > > Hello all, Hi John. > I recently returned from my trip, and I'm going to start writing up a > demo program for player and stage in the next few days. I'll probably > write it in C, since the C library for player is the most documented (I > would write it Oh cool. I'm also back and have now some time to work on the Fedora robotics stuff, I will send an email about this tomorrow. > in python --much simpler-- except there is nearly no documentation > for the playerc module). What are we looking for in a demo program in > terms of functionality? Does it need to be interactive? What interfaces > should I include (ie. position, laser, ptz, etc.)? I'm looking for a > general idea of what I should start with. I think this pretty much depends on what you can do. You cannot do any sensor data extraction in a few days if you are not experienced in robotics, but in the simulated environment you have already some data like position etc. that you can work with. The first thing is probably just interfacing with Player/Gazebo, output some data, make the robot do anything, so that you get to know how it works in general. There maybe something viable in the Player source as example, maybe? A thing that should be pretty easy to do is have a small application (console or GUI, wherever you can excel) that allows for a simple movement of the robot. When you are able to drive around in the simulator remote-controlled that's already something! I don't know what you had in mind, to me a Pioneer model/world looks like a good start. It's pretty well-known and many will recognize it and comes with Gazebo. For the LiveCD we need something fancy with a nice GUI, of course. But this can also come at a later point. Does that help as input for a start? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 15:39:18 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] player/stage demo program In-Reply-To: <48923694.30102@niemueller.de> References: <48923694.30102@niemueller.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Tim Niemueller wrote: > John McLean schrieb: >> >> Hello all, > > Hi John. > >> I recently returned from my trip, and I'm going to start writing up a >> demo program for player and stage in the next few days. I'll probably >> write it in C, since the C library for player is the most documented (I >> would write it > > Oh cool. I'm also back and have now some time to work on the Fedora > robotics stuff, I will send an email about this tomorrow. > >> in python --much simpler-- except there is nearly no documentation >> for the playerc module). What are we looking for in a demo program in >> terms of functionality? Does it need to be interactive? What interfaces >> should I include (ie. position, laser, ptz, etc.)? I'm looking for a >> general idea of what I should start with. > > I think this pretty much depends on what you can do. You cannot do any > sensor data extraction in a few days if you are not experienced in > robotics, but in the simulated environment you have already some data > like position etc. that you can work with. > > The first thing is probably just interfacing with Player/Gazebo, output > some data, make the robot do anything, so that you get to know how it > works in general. There maybe something viable in the Player source as > example, maybe? > I've been using player/stage, because I can't get Gazebo installed yet. The build process is outputting errors I don't understand enough to fix. If someone's got an rpm/srpm I'll install that. There are several examples in the player source which I've been looking at that are helpful. > A thing that should be pretty easy to do is have a small application > (console or GUI, wherever you can excel) that allows for a simple > movement of the robot. When you are able to drive around in the > simulator remote-controlled that's already something! I don't know what > you had in mind, to me a Pioneer model/world looks like a good start. > It's pretty well-known and many will recognize it and comes with Gazebo. > For the LiveCD we need something fancy with a nice GUI, of course. But > this can also come at a later point. > If all we need is a small gui to control various parts of the robot (ie. motors, gripper) and receive data from sensors (ie. laser, sonar) , then playerv will do that job just fine as far as I can see. > Does that help as input for a start? > And yes, this does help :) > Tim > > From tim at niemueller.de Fri Aug 1 21:19:38 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:19:38 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The road ahead Message-ID: <48937DEA.4050108@niemueller.de> Hi Fedora robotics enthusiasts. Many review requests are open and we have big plans. I will block some time in the coming weeks to really get this going, and with John working on a demo I think it can work out in a not-so-long time. I'm back from China for a little more than a week now. It was pretty exhausting and a pretty exciting event. We finished second in the RoboCup at Home league and are pleased with the result, I'll blog some more about it later. On the Fedora side I can tell that I've talked to a member of the executive committee of the league and he was quite interested in our Fedora efforts. I think if we get that LiveCD rolling we can really spawn some interest! Hedayat and me met in person. Although both pretty busy we had a short chat. It's always good to meet the people you work with in real life. Hopefully we can make this happen for this SIG at some point in time. For the next days I plan to get the Player blocker things out of the way and package the current 2.1.1 stable release. So with the input of Jef I hope we can get this rolling real soon now. In September I'll be in South Africa meeting colleagues in Cape Town and then at the INSITE 2008 exhibition in Johannesburg (http://www.insitex.co.za/). I've been on the INSITE in 2006 and one of the interesting things they showed was the Freedom Toaster (http://www.freedomtoaster.org/). Open Source software has quite some impact there so if we would have a demo of that LiveCD by then... John, I'm really curious about your findings. Arindam, did you start looking into Gazebo packaging? Hedayat, just saw that the 3D server got approved, awesome! Congratulations again to your success in China! Jeff, did you look into that Geos 3 patch? So it's probably time for a new meeting and some wiki updates. What about next Wednesday, August 6th 2008 at 16:00 UTC? Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 21:36:51 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:06:51 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The road ahead In-Reply-To: <48937DEA.4050108@niemueller.de> References: <48937DEA.4050108@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <489381F3.1040703@gmail.com> Hi Tim, /*Tim Niemueller */ wrote on 08/02/2008 01:49:38 AM: > Hi Fedora robotics enthusiasts. > > Many review requests are open and we have big plans. I will block some > time in the coming weeks to really get this going, and with John working > on a demo I think it can work out in a not-so-long time. > > I'm back from China for a little more than a week now. It was pretty > exhausting and a pretty exciting event. We finished second in the > RoboCup at Home league and are pleased with the result, I'll blog some more > about it later. On the Fedora side I can tell that I've talked to a > member of the executive committee of the league and he was quite > interested in our Fedora efforts. I think if we get that LiveCD rolling > we can really spawn some interest! > Hedayat and me met in person. Although both pretty busy we had a short > chat. It's always good to meet the people you work with in real life. > Hopefully we can make this happen for this SIG at some point in time. > Yes, that meeting was really interesting. :) Also, congratulations again! > For the next days I plan to get the Player blocker things out of the way > and package the current 2.1.1 stable release. So with the input of Jef I > hope we can get this rolling real soon now. In September I'll be in > South Africa meeting colleagues in Cape Town and then at the INSITE 2008 > exhibition in Johannesburg (http://www.insitex.co.za/). I've been on > the INSITE in 2006 and one of the interesting things they showed was the > Freedom Toaster (http://www.freedomtoaster.org/). Open Source software > has quite some impact there so if we would have a demo of that LiveCD by > then... > Interesting! I hope that we can prepare the LiveCD before that. And I think that I'm getting interested in p/s/g too! Maybe they can have a role in the future of 3D soccer server too. (I'm too new to p/s/g stuff, do you have any ideas in this area?!) > John, I'm really curious about your findings. Arindam, did you start > looking into Gazebo packaging? Hedayat, just saw that the 3D server got > approved, awesome! Congratulations again to your success in China! Jeff, > did you look into that Geos 3 patch? > Thanks a lot! :) > So it's probably time for a new meeting and some wiki updates. What > about next Wednesday, August 6th 2008 at 16:00 UTC? > That's fine for me. Good luck, Hedayat > Regards from Aachen, > Tim > > From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 22:21:11 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] The road ahead In-Reply-To: <48937DEA.4050108@niemueller.de> References: <48937DEA.4050108@niemueller.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi Fedora robotics enthusiasts. > > Many review requests are open and we have big plans. I will block some > time in the coming weeks to really get this going, and with John working > on a demo I think it can work out in a not-so-long time. > > I'm back from China for a little more than a week now. It was pretty > exhausting and a pretty exciting event. We finished second in the > RoboCup at Home league and are pleased with the result, I'll blog some more > about it later. On the Fedora side I can tell that I've talked to a > member of the executive committee of the league and he was quite > interested in our Fedora efforts. I think if we get that LiveCD rolling > we can really spawn some interest! > Hedayat and me met in person. Although both pretty busy we had a short > chat. It's always good to meet the people you work with in real life. > Hopefully we can make this happen for this SIG at some point in time. > > For the next days I plan to get the Player blocker things out of the way > and package the current 2.1.1 stable release. So with the input of Jef I > hope we can get this rolling real soon now. In September I'll be in > South Africa meeting colleagues in Cape Town and then at the INSITE 2008 > exhibition in Johannesburg (http://www.insitex.co.za/). I've been on > the INSITE in 2006 and one of the interesting things they showed was the > Freedom Toaster (http://www.freedomtoaster.org/). Open Source software > has quite some impact there so if we would have a demo of that LiveCD by > then... > > John, I'm really curious about your findings. Arindam, did you start > looking into Gazebo packaging? Hedayat, just saw that the 3D server got > approved, awesome! Congratulations again to your success in China! Jeff, > did you look into that Geos 3 patch? > I'll send out an email tomorrow detailing what I've been thinking about doing with a demo client program for Player. There are several client programs that are installed alongside player, so I want to make sure I'm writing a demo program with the functionality/capabilities we need and in the process not reinventing the wheel. > So it's probably time for a new meeting and some wiki updates. What > about next Wednesday, August 6th 2008 at 16:00 UTC? > > Regards from Aachen, > Tim > > From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 13:29:59 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (jesusfreak91 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] p/s/g demo client program Message-ID: I've been asked to write up a demo client program for player/stage/gazebo that we might could use in a robotics livecd to show off the capabilities of player. I'm still not 100% sure what exactly we're looking for, but here's a rough description on what I'm thinking about now: I'll design a small gui interface similar to that of playerv. Users will be able to control the robot through this interface, using either the keyboard or mouse (don't know which yet). If I have time/the ability to, I'll add in support for a gripper and things like that. I'll also write up a few small client programs that autonomously navigate the robot based on sensor data. In the gui, the user can have to option to use one of those programs to control the robot. I realize the above sounds pretty similar to playerv, but I can't think of what else to do that would meet our needs as I understand them. Any suggestions/comments/critiques would be greatly appreciated. --John From makghosh at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:16:21 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:46:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] p/s/g demo client program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8990327d0808050816p3cee75f4u91b30e4cc5871dfb@mail.gmail.com> On 8/5/08, jesusfreak91 at gmail.com wrote: > > I've been asked to write up a demo client program for player/stage/gazebo > that we might could use in a robotics livecd to show off the capabilities of > player. I'm still not 100% sure what exactly we're looking for, but here's > a rough description on what I'm thinking about now: > > I'll design a small gui interface similar to that of playerv. Users will be > able to control the robot through this interface, using either the keyboard > or mouse (don't know which yet). If I have time/the ability to, I'll add in > support for a gripper and things like that. I'll also write up a few small > client programs that autonomously navigate the robot based on sensor data. > In the gui, the user can have to option to use one of those programs to > control the robot. > > I realize the above sounds pretty similar to playerv, but I can't think of > what else to do that would meet our needs as I understand them. Any > suggestions/comments/critiques would be greatly appreciated. > +1 for this....this gui (can be done by pygtk etc) is what i suggested at one of the previos meeting...go on...start with player first and then add stage part into it....it'll accomplish one of the primary goals in the p/s/g context...just tell if you need any help :) And Tim.....i started working on gazebo and resolved some issues...yet some build problems persists which i'm looking into... -- Arindam Ghosh Fedora Ambassador [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:44:41 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] p/s/g demo client program In-Reply-To: <8990327d0808050816p3cee75f4u91b30e4cc5871dfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8990327d0808050816p3cee75f4u91b30e4cc5871dfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Arindam Ghosh wrote: > On 8/5/08, jesusfreak91 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> I've been asked to write up a demo client program for player/stage/gazebo >> that we might could use in a robotics livecd to show off the capabilities of >> player. I'm still not 100% sure what exactly we're looking for, but here's >> a rough description on what I'm thinking about now: >> >> I'll design a small gui interface similar to that of playerv. Users will be >> able to control the robot through this interface, using either the keyboard >> or mouse (don't know which yet). If I have time/the ability to, I'll add in >> support for a gripper and things like that. I'll also write up a few small >> client programs that autonomously navigate the robot based on sensor data. >> In the gui, the user can have to option to use one of those programs to >> control the robot. >> >> I realize the above sounds pretty similar to playerv, but I can't think of >> what else to do that would meet our needs as I understand them. Any >> suggestions/comments/critiques would be greatly appreciated. >> > > +1 for this....this gui (can be done by pygtk etc) is what i suggested > at one of the previos meeting...go on...start with player first and > then add stage part into it....it'll accomplish one of the primary > goals in the p/s/g context...just tell if you need any help :) > If you get the chance (assuming you haven't already) take some time to play around with playerv and/or playerjoy. See what parts of those meet our needs, and what parts don't. That'll help me out in designing an application. And if it turns out that those two meet our needs, then I'll move on to some other area that needs work done. > And Tim.....i started working on gazebo and resolved some issues...yet > some build problems persists which i'm looking into... > When you get a working rpm/srpm let me know :) I've been wanting to play around with gazebo to get a feel for how it works, but I can't get it compiled on my system. --John From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 17:08:40 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:08:40 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] p/s/g demo client program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910808051008j4987bf2i908345f2ddc9cd32@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:29 AM, wrote: > I realize the above sounds pretty similar to playerv, but I can't think of > what else to do that would meet our needs as I understand them. Any > suggestions/comments/critiques would be greatly appreciated. I think the goal is to provide a simple, constrained demo that someone can start up via a desktop icon, interact with, and not get lost in even if they haven't used player before. Is the playerv interface robust enough for that? Here's what I'd like to see in a 2-D demo: a simple robot with a range finding ability, and marker identification a somewhat simple but randomizable 2-d maze environment for it to move in. a goal for it to achieve... "get from here to there"... or "find a specific marker" the ability to turn the whole map on or off so its either visible or invisible to the user. with the map on the user just drives around the little robot like its an rc car. with the map off the user has to interpret the robots actual data inputs and figure out where to go...so its sort of a game...be the robot's brain. An interface with a crap load of tool-tipping concerning the controls and data-streams that help introduce player concepts to demo users. -jef From tim at niemueller.de Tue Aug 5 18:09:52 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:09:52 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] p/s/g demo client program In-Reply-To: <604aa7910808051008j4987bf2i908345f2ddc9cd32@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910808051008j4987bf2i908345f2ddc9cd32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48989770.2040709@niemueller.de> Jeff Spaleta schrieb: > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:29 AM, wrote: >> I realize the above sounds pretty similar to playerv, but I can't think of >> what else to do that would meet our needs as I understand them. Any >> suggestions/comments/critiques would be greatly appreciated. > > I think the goal is to provide a simple, constrained demo that someone > can start up via a desktop icon, interact with, and not get lost in > even if they haven't used player before. Is the playerv interface > robust enough for that? Agreed! > Here's what I'd like to see in a 2-D demo: > a simple robot with a range finding ability, and marker identification > a somewhat simple but randomizable 2-d maze environment for it to move in. > a goal for it to achieve... "get from here to there"... or "find a > specific marker" For the beginning I would even implement just a manual motor control. Like "drive forward". This depends on the robot type and it's type of movement (omni, synchro, differential). So I would postpone the autonomous part for now. This is the more interesting thing, that we can do once the infrastructure is in place. Yet for users manual interaction is more exciting for the beginning anyway. For all the robots that I got my hands on up to now the first thing was to use or implement a manual control to get a feeling for the robot. Then the autonomous behavior was developed. > the ability to turn the whole map on or off so its either visible or > invisible to the user. > with the map on the user just drives around the little robot like its an rc car. > with the map off the user has to interpret the robots actual data > inputs and figure out where to go...so its sort of a game...be the > robot's brain. Yes, that is a good idea. Is playerv modular, so that we can re-use its widgets for our application? > An interface with a crap load of tool-tipping concerning the controls > and data-streams that help introduce player concepts to demo users. Yes, that is a really good idea. We could also integrate links to say Wikipedia. Here is another thing: I've been working on a robot control software over the last two years that we use on all of our robots. We are going to release the trunk as Open Source software some time this year. It should be easy to integrate it with player. It provides a Lua scripting environment for behavior control. So we could provide on-the-fly scripting of the behavior later on, once a set of basic abilities has been implemented. This way you can program "missions" for the robot to accomplish quite easy. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 19:04:04 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] p/s/g demo client program In-Reply-To: <48989770.2040709@niemueller.de> References: <604aa7910808051008j4987bf2i908345f2ddc9cd32@mail.gmail.com> <48989770.2040709@niemueller.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Jeff Spaleta schrieb: >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:29 AM, wrote: >>> I realize the above sounds pretty similar to playerv, but I can't think of >>> what else to do that would meet our needs as I understand them. Any >>> suggestions/comments/critiques would be greatly appreciated. >> >> I think the goal is to provide a simple, constrained demo that someone >> can start up via a desktop icon, interact with, and not get lost in >> even if they haven't used player before. Is the playerv interface >> robust enough for that? > > Agreed! > The playerv interface is pretty easy to use, and given some time I should be able to expand it to meet our needs. >> Here's what I'd like to see in a 2-D demo: >> a simple robot with a range finding ability, and marker identification >> a somewhat simple but randomizable 2-d maze environment for it to move in. >> a goal for it to achieve... "get from here to there"... or "find a >> specific marker" > This sounds great. I *think* I'll be able to implement these within the framework of playerv. It'll take a few days to know fully, though. > For the beginning I would even implement just a manual motor control. > Like "drive forward". This depends on the robot type and it's type of > movement (omni, synchro, differential). So I would postpone the > autonomous part for now. This is the more interesting thing, that we can > do once the infrastructure is in place. Yet for users manual interaction > is more exciting for the beginning anyway. As far as I can tell, the libplayerc library and the player drivers take care of the details of how the robot moves, so the programmer writing the client program doesn't have to. libplayerc is written so it is portable accross many different robots, so many of the specifics such as the robot's drive type are taken care of. > > For all the robots that I got my hands on up to now the first thing was > to use or implement a manual control to get a feeling for the robot. > Then the autonomous behavior was developed. > >> the ability to turn the whole map on or off so its either visible or >> invisible to the user. >> with the map on the user just drives around the little robot like its an rc car. >> with the map off the user has to interpret the robots actual data >> inputs and figure out where to go...so its sort of a game...be the >> robot's brain. > > Yes, that is a good idea. Is playerv modular, so that we can re-use its > widgets for our application? > Agreed. Being able to turn a map on/off is already a feature of playerv, I think. And yes, playerv should be modular. I had planned on either using code from it or build off of it as a base. >> An interface with a crap load of tool-tipping concerning the controls >> and data-streams that help introduce player concepts to demo users. > > Yes, that is a really good idea. We could also integrate links to say > Wikipedia. > Agreed. Tooltips would definitely make things easier and more user-friendly. > Here is another thing: I've been working on a robot control software > over the last two years that we use on all of our robots. We are going > to release the trunk as Open Source software some time this year. It > should be easy to integrate it with player. It provides a Lua scripting > environment for behavior control. So we could provide on-the-fly > scripting of the behavior later on, once a set of basic abilities has > been implemented. This way you can program "missions" for the robot to > accomplish quite easy. > > Tim > > From tim at niemueller.de Wed Aug 6 14:58:42 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:58:42 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting reminder 2008-08-06 16:00 UTC Message-ID: <4899BC22.1060800@niemueller.de> Hi Fedora Robotics SIG, just a quicj reminder that the next meeting will be held in about an hour in #fedora-robotics on Freenode. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 16:32:29 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] playerv and stage Message-ID: Just a quick bit: if you want to try out playerv, the easiest way to do so is this (you'll need both player and stage installed): $ player /usr/share/stage/worlds/everything.cfg & $ playerv -h localhost -p 6665 --laser:0 --position2d:0 The first command should start up a stage simulation window. The second starts up playerv in a small window with it subscribed to the laser and position2d device proxies. To command the robot, go to Devices->position2d:0 (stage) in the playerv window and check command. Then, just click on the robot in the playerv window, and drag the mouse around to move. Enjoy :) From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 16:49:08 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:49:08 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] playerv and stage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910808060949n5b6344f5p1547883c182dde09@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, John McLean wrote: > > Just a quick bit: if you want to try out playerv, the easiest way to do so > is this (you'll need both player and stage installed): > > $ player /usr/share/stage/worlds/everything.cfg & > $ playerv -h localhost -p 6665 --laser:0 --position2d:0 I'll work on the review again for the package today. Hopefully we can get these in the the trees this week. -jef From hedayatv at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 12:13:19 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:43:19 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting reminder 2008-08-06 16:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <4899BC22.1060800@niemueller.de> References: <4899BC22.1060800@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <489AE6DF.2020903@gmail.com> Hi, Unfortunately we didn't have electrical power last night and I wasn't able to participate in the meeting. Anyway, a small report: The rcssserver3d package is in rawhide now and it's updates for F-9 and F-8 are pending. I think they'll be available in Fedora updates soon. Also, rcssbase package (base libraries for the 2D server) is accepted and ready to be submitted for F-9 and F-8 updates. (I'll do it soon). Finally, I'm going to start packaging other 2D server packages (I've started packaging rcssmonitor and rcssserver). One problem: rcssmonitor and rcssserver packages can be used independently, but there is only one script in rcssserver package which runs both the server and monitor. I don't like to add rcssmonitor to the requirements of the rcssserver package. What do you suggest? Maybe I should create a small package which depends on both rcssmonitor and rcssserver and includes just the mentioned script? Does that package need a separate menu entry?! Thanks, Hedayat /*Tim Niemueller */ wrote on ??/??/?? 07:28:42: > Hi Fedora Robotics SIG, > > just a quicj reminder that the next meeting will be held in about an > hour in #fedora-robotics on Freenode. > > Tim > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 21:24:20 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:24:20 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] anyone with experience with peekabot? Message-ID: <604aa7910808071424v2e9b883cx87002d12d93d6eea@mail.gmail.com> Saw it on freshmeat daily summary. http://www.peekabot.org/ -jef From noreply at ubermens.com Thu Aug 14 11:13:17 2008 From: noreply at ubermens.com (UberMens) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:13:17 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Arindam Ghosh got an IQ of 136, which qualified him for the high IQ society GaoShiZhang. Message-ID: <20080814111317.19792.79575@localhost.localdomain> I think you can also be part of UberMens. It is a network for highly intelligent people. Arindam Ghosh got a very high IQ of 136 and placed in the top of intelligent people of India. Arindam Ghosh thinks that you might get a similar high score and be able to be accepted by UberMens. UberMens is an association of intelligent people form many provinces all over Latin America. Its purpose is to increase the networking among intelligent people, be it for professional purpose, making intelligent friends or finding intelligent life partners. Thanks, Arindam Ghosh P.S Here's the link: http://www.ubermens.com/account/invite?key=049f0df0fef5fdf9ba80c6dbd447ff29 From makghosh at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 11:23:17 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:53:17 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Arindam Ghosh got an IQ of 136, which qualified him for the high IQ society GaoShiZhang. In-Reply-To: <20080814111317.19792.79575@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080814111317.19792.79575@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8990327d0808140423s17ab72b5nf2856a473e75609f@mail.gmail.com> Ah!! extremely sorry for spamming....didn't realize this earlier :( --Arindam On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:43 PM, UberMens wrote: > I think you can also be part of UberMens. It is a network for highly intelligent people. > > Arindam Ghosh got a very high IQ of 136 and placed in the top of intelligent people of India. > > Arindam Ghosh thinks that you might get a similar high score and be able to be accepted by UberMens. > > UberMens is an association of intelligent people form many provinces all over Latin America. > Its purpose is to increase the networking among intelligent people, be it for professional purpose, > making intelligent friends or finding intelligent life partners. > > Thanks, > Arindam Ghosh > > P.S Here's the link: > http://www.ubermens.com/account/invite?key=049f0df0fef5fdf9ba80c6dbd447ff29 > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:36:53 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:36:53 -0800 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] NI's proprietary WeDo software...now available for OLPC Message-ID: <604aa7910808141336h37796c47l2cf0766c1bb8aeb1@mail.gmail.com> Okay this makes me really sort of mad at a deep level. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-07-2008/0004863781&EDATE= Labview based Lego Mindstorms for the OLPC... that really burns me. 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I think the basic problem is that usually the ones working on open source robotics software want to accomplish a specific task with their robot, they do not do it to write an educational application. You have to put a whole lot of work into graphical programming tools before they are usable... But maybe starting such an application could be a Google SoC project next year? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatvk at aim.com Mon Sep 1 04:01:09 2008 From: hedayatvk at aim.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:31:09 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! Message-ID: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> Hi all! What's going on here? It seems that everybody is really busy, but it's not nice to feel that this SIG is dead! About myself: I'm busy too :) But I hope to update the wiki soon!! Now, I've 3 approved packages(rcssserver3d, rcssbase and rcssmonitor) from which 2 of them are in Fedora repositories and another one is in the pending list of Fedora 8 and 9. Hopefully, I'll start to package the server package of 2D simulation soon. What about others? And when is the next meeting?! Good luck, Hedayat From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:50:28 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! In-Reply-To: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> References: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> Message-ID: Hey Hedeyat, I started school two weeks ago, and I've been completely and utterly tied up with that. Things this week look easier for me in terms of my schedule (I think...), so I'm hoping to continue work on a player client demo program. My goal is that in the next two/three weeks, I can have a working graphical player client that we can build off of for a demo for a live-cd. I'm hoping that time frame works with the goals for the rest of the SIG. If not, I'll see if I can't speed things up. --John On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > Hi all! > What's going on here? It seems that everybody is really busy, but it's not > nice to feel that this SIG is dead! > About myself: I'm busy too :) But I hope to update the wiki soon!! Now, I've > 3 approved packages(rcssserver3d, rcssbase > and rcssmonitor) from which 2 of them are in Fedora repositories and another > one is in the pending list of Fedora 8 and 9. > Hopefully, I'll start to package the server package of 2D simulation soon. > What about others? And when is the next meeting?! > > Good luck, > Hedayat > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > From tim at niemueller.de Mon Sep 1 17:03:04 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:03:04 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! In-Reply-To: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> References: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> Message-ID: <48BC2048.10200@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > Hi all! Hi Hedayat. > What's going on here? It seems that everybody is really busy, but it's > not nice to feel that this SIG is dead! It's definitely not dead! > About myself: I'm busy too :) But I hope to update the wiki soon!! Now, > I've 3 approved packages(rcssserver3d, rcssbase > and rcssmonitor) from which 2 of them are in Fedora repositories and > another one is in the pending list of Fedora 8 and 9. > Hopefully, I'll start to package the server package of 2D simulation soon. > What about others? And when is the next meeting?! Let's schedule one. What about this Wednesday, Sep 3rd 2008, 16:00 UTC? I've been busy just yesterday to get Player compiled successfully on F-8 in Koji. Local build work just fine, the Koji builds do not work, yet. Once that's fixed I'm going to tackle a few other issues (related to Arindams questions in the Stage RR) and the release them for F-8 and F-9. Besides that I just gave my thesis proposal talk and now I can head for my thesis -- finally. Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 18:43:52 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:13:52 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! In-Reply-To: References: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> Message-ID: <48BC37E8.9080709@gmail.com> Hi John, Thanks a lot for your fast answer, it is promising. :) Good luck with your school, and the player client! Best wishes, Hedayat /*John McLean */ wrote on 09/01/2008 09:20:28 PM: > > Hey Hedeyat, > > I started school two weeks ago, and I've been completely and utterly > tied up with that. Things this week look easier for me in terms of my > schedule (I think...), so I'm hoping to continue work on a player > client demo program. My goal is that in the next two/three weeks, I > can have a working graphical player client that we can build off of > for a demo for a > live-cd. I'm hoping that time frame works with the goals for the rest > of the SIG. If not, I'll see if I can't speed things up. > > --John > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > >> Hi all! >> What's going on here? It seems that everybody is really busy, but >> it's not nice to feel that this SIG is dead! >> About myself: I'm busy too :) But I hope to update the wiki soon!! >> Now, I've 3 approved packages(rcssserver3d, rcssbase >> and rcssmonitor) from which 2 of them are in Fedora repositories and >> another one is in the pending list of Fedora 8 and 9. >> Hopefully, I'll start to package the server package of 2D simulation >> soon. >> What about others? And when is the next meeting?! >> >> Good luck, >> Hedayat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-robotics-list mailing list >> Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list From hedayatv at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 18:47:46 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:17:46 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! In-Reply-To: <48BC2048.10200@niemueller.de> References: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> <48BC2048.10200@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <48BC38D2.2030106@gmail.com> /*Tim Niemueller */ wrote on 09/01/2008 09:33:04 PM: > Hi Hedayat. > Hi, >> What's going on here? It seems that everybody is really busy, but it's >> not nice to feel that this SIG is dead! >> > It's definitely not dead! > Yes! :) >> About myself: I'm busy too :) But I hope to update the wiki soon!! Now, >> I've 3 approved packages(rcssserver3d, rcssbase >> and rcssmonitor) from which 2 of them are in Fedora repositories and >> another one is in the pending list of Fedora 8 and 9. >> Hopefully, I'll start to package the server package of 2D simulation soon. >> What about others? And when is the next meeting?! > > Let's schedule one. What about this Wednesday, Sep 3rd 2008, 16:00 UTC? > Oops! I can't participate this Wednesday since I will be in a small trip that day :( > I've been busy just yesterday to get Player compiled successfully on F-8 > in Koji. Local build work just fine, the Koji builds do not work, yet. > Once that's fixed I'm going to tackle a few other issues (related to > Arindams questions in the Stage RR) and the release them for F-8 and F-9. > Great! > Besides that I just gave my thesis proposal talk and now I can head for > my thesis -- finally. > Good luck! Cheers, Hedayat > Regards from Aachen, > Tim > > From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 21:16:04 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! In-Reply-To: <48BC2048.10200@niemueller.de> References: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> <48BC2048.10200@niemueller.de> Message-ID: -- On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: >> Hi all! > > Hi Hedayat. > >> What's going on here? It seems that everybody is really busy, but it's >> not nice to feel that this SIG is dead! > > It's definitely not dead! > >> About myself: I'm busy too :) But I hope to update the wiki soon!! Now, >> I've 3 approved packages(rcssserver3d, rcssbase >> and rcssmonitor) from which 2 of them are in Fedora repositories and >> another one is in the pending list of Fedora 8 and 9. >> Hopefully, I'll start to package the server package of 2D simulation soon. >> What about others? And when is the next meeting?! > > Let's schedule one. What about this Wednesday, Sep 3rd 2008, 16:00 UTC? > That'll *probably* work for me, though I'll probably be at least 15mins. late because I have class, and I may have to leave early because of class. > I've been busy just yesterday to get Player compiled successfully on F-8 > in Koji. Local build work just fine, the Koji builds do not work, yet. > Once that's fixed I'm going to tackle a few other issues (related to > Arindams questions in the Stage RR) and the release them for F-8 and F-9. > > Besides that I just gave my thesis proposal talk and now I can head for > my thesis -- finally. > > Regards from Aachen, > Tim > > From tim at niemueller.de Mon Sep 1 21:59:54 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:59:54 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! In-Reply-To: <48BC38D2.2030106@gmail.com> References: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> <48BC2048.10200@niemueller.de> <48BC38D2.2030106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BC65DA.50605@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > > Oops! I can't participate this Wednesday since I will be in a small trip > that day :( Ok, what about tomorrow or a different time on Wednesday? I can't make it on Thursday and Friday and on Saturday I'll be on the plane and gone for two weeks. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 10:54:44 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:24:44 +0330 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] What's going on?!! In-Reply-To: <48BC65DA.50605@niemueller.de> References: <48BB6905.1050909@aim.com> <48BC2048.10200@niemueller.de> <48BC38D2.2030106@gmail.com> <48BC65DA.50605@niemueller.de> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > > > > Oops! I can't participate this Wednesday since I will be in a small trip > > that day :( > > Ok, what about tomorrow or a different time on Wednesday? I can't make > it on Thursday and Friday and on Saturday I'll be on the plane and gone > for two weeks. Sorry for the late answer, today is OK for me but I don't know about others. Schedule it for whenever is appropriate for most people. Thanks, Hedayat > > > Tim > > -- > Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de > ================================================================= > Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at niemueller.de Wed Sep 3 10:52:56 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:52:56 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Todays meeting postponed Message-ID: <48BE6C88.9020907@niemueller.de> Hi everbody. Since two out of four of the most active members can't make it today we should postpone our meeting. I'll be on tour for the next two weeks, so my preferred date is Wednesday, September 24th 2008, 16:00 UTC. Is that ok for everybody? If not please suggest another date/time. It doesn't have to be a Wednesday, we just did it on Wednesdays and they seem to fit for everybody. If you have to discuss stuff please use the mailing list or call people to the IRC server at any time. The meetings are just a focal point, not the only means of communication... We have several new members on this mailing list. Please don't hesistate to step forward and ask questions or propose topics that you would like to discuss or work on under the Fedora Robotics SIG umbrella! Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. 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URL: From egon at kastelijn.nu Thu Sep 11 10:25:42 2008 From: egon at kastelijn.nu (Egon Kastelijn) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:25:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Introduction & Phidgets Message-ID: <55431.217.123.62.48.1221128742.squirrel@webmail.kastelijn.nu> Hello all, I recently joined your robotics-list. Let me introduce myself: I am Egon Kastelijn and I live in The Netherlands. I have been working on my personal robot for many years now, but I do not have any physical result yet. ;) This is mainly caused by the fact that my robot does not have a clear Mission yet, and that most of my time has gone into the Java brain that I am programming. (environment-modelling and path-planning) Some time ago I discovered Phidgets. http://www.phidgets.com/ Phidgets are easy to use USB devices (sensors-kits/motor-controllers/etc) that work very well under Linux. They can even be accessed using Java. The LGPL code that they provide compiles very well, but there are no RPMs (yet). So I decided to create them. I have a .spec file, and the rpmbuild produces a nice SRPM, i686 and x86_64 RPMs. (and debuginfo) My questions: * Is this (phidget hardware support) something that belongs within this SIG? And: I am planning on putting the RPMs in my own yum repository soon. * Is there a way that I can contribute to get this software in the Fedora distribution? kind regards, Egon Kastelijn From hedayatv at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 09:20:31 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:50:31 +0430 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Introduction & Phidgets In-Reply-To: <55431.217.123.62.48.1221128742.squirrel@webmail.kastelijn.nu> References: <55431.217.123.62.48.1221128742.squirrel@webmail.kastelijn.nu> Message-ID: <48CA345F.9060104@gmail.com> /*"Egon Kastelijn" */ wrote on 09/11/2008 02:55:42 PM: > Hello all, > Hi Egon, > I recently joined your robotics-list. > > Let me introduce myself: > I am Egon Kastelijn and I live in The Netherlands. > Welcome! :) > I have been working on my personal robot for many years now, but I do not > have any physical result yet. ;) > This is mainly caused by the fact that my robot does not have a clear > Mission yet, and that most of my time has gone into the Java brain that I > am programming. (environment-modelling and path-planning) > Good luck! > Some time ago I discovered Phidgets. > http://www.phidgets.com/ > > Phidgets are easy to use USB devices (sensors-kits/motor-controllers/etc) > that work very well under Linux. They can even be accessed using Java. > The LGPL code that they provide compiles very well, but there are no RPMs > (yet). > > So I decided to create them. > I have a .spec file, and the rpmbuild produces a nice SRPM, i686 and > x86_64 RPMs. (and debuginfo) > > My questions: > * Is this (phidget hardware support) something that belongs within this SIG? > I think it does! > And: > I am planning on putting the RPMs in my own yum repository soon. > * Is there a way that I can contribute to get this software in the Fedora > distribution? > Yes, there is! Check this first: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join It takes some time (specially for the first time), but you can add any good open source packages to Fedora. I hope to see your RPMs soon :) Cheers, Hedayat > kind regards, > > Egon Kastelijn > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-robotics-list mailing list > Fedora-robotics-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-robotics-list > From tim at niemueller.de Tue Sep 23 15:09:55 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:09:55 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting Wednesday, Oct 1st 2008 16:00 UTC Message-ID: <48D906C3.7020609@niemueller.de> Hi Robotics SIG. I'm back and catching up with things I didn't manage to do while away. What do you think about having a Robotics SIG meeting next week, on Wednesday Oct 1st at 16:00 UTC? We have several packages in Fedora now, and a few milestones are yet unreached, but we are getting closer. We should discuss how to focus on what's left to create a first LiveCD and we should discuss what features we want to specifically advertise. Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From hedayatv at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 16:17:46 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:47:46 +0330 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting Wednesday, Oct 1st 2008 16:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <48D906C3.7020609@niemueller.de> References: <48D906C3.7020609@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <48D916AA.30408@gmail.com> Hi again, I agree, it's fine for me. Cheers, Hedayat /*Tim Niemueller */ wrote on ??/??/?? 06:39:55: > Hi Robotics SIG. > > I'm back and catching up with things I didn't manage to do while away. > What do you think about having a Robotics SIG meeting next week, on > Wednesday Oct 1st at 16:00 UTC? > > We have several packages in Fedora now, and a few milestones are yet > unreached, but we are getting closer. We should discuss how to focus on > what's left to create a first LiveCD and we should discuss what features > we want to specifically advertise. > > Regards from Aachen, > Tim > > From makghosh at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 17:02:21 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:32:21 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting Wednesday, Oct 1st 2008 16:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <48D906C3.7020609@niemueller.de> References: <48D906C3.7020609@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <8990327d0809231002w7b884b41t3a8141e04dfb6891@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi Robotics SIG. > > I'm back and catching up with things I didn't manage to do while away. > What do you think about having a Robotics SIG meeting next week, on > Wednesday Oct 1st at 16:00 UTC? > +1...fine for me :) -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From hedayatv at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 11:32:45 2008 From: hedayatv at gmail.com (Hedayat Vatankhah) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:02:45 +0330 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! Message-ID: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> Hi all, We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) Bye! Hedayat From tim at niemueller.de Wed Oct 1 11:34:49 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:34:49 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E36059.9040402@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > Hi all, > > We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) Yes! Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:02:25 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <48E36059.9040402@niemueller.de> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> <48E36059.9040402@niemueller.de> Message-ID: I can't make it -- I've got class then :( -- On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: >> Hi all, >> >> We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) > > Yes! > > Tim > > > From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:04:40 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <48E36059.9040402@niemueller.de> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> <48E36059.9040402@niemueller.de> Message-ID: I won't be able to make it -- I've got class then :( --John On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: >> Hi all, >> >> We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) > > Yes! > > Tim > > > From makghosh at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 14:41:30 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:11:30 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8990327d0810010741x568be97fhfc10df2942112e70@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > Hi all, > > We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) > yup! i'll be there -- Arindam Ghosh [http://arindamghosh.wordpress.com] GPG Key: 0EE58920 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:10:07 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <8990327d0810010741x568be97fhfc10df2942112e70@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> <8990327d0810010741x568be97fhfc10df2942112e70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I won't be able to be there -- I've got class :( -- On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Arindam Ghosh wrote: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) >> > > yup! i'll be there > > From tim at niemueller.de Wed Oct 1 15:24:23 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:24:23 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> <48E36059.9040402@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <48E39627.6020605@niemueller.de> John McLean schrieb: > I won't be able to make it -- I've got class then :( When does your class end? Can you join in later? Can you otherwise give some notes here on the ML? Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From jesusfreak91 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:50:56 2008 From: jesusfreak91 at gmail.com (John McLean) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <48E39627.6020605@niemueller.de> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> <48E36059.9040402@niemueller.de> <48E39627.6020605@niemueller.de> Message-ID: I have consecutive classes until 19:00 UTC, so I won't be able to join in later. I can definitely give some notes here though. I haven't been able to work on a demo program for p/s/g for the past month or so -- in a very literal sense I don't have enough time to work on it due to school, extracurriculars, and college apps. I've been trying to fit it in over the weekends and I can't find the time. I hate to dump this one someone else, but that may be what I have to do for the time being, unless you all have a solution I haven't thought of. --John On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Tim Niemueller wrote: > John McLean schrieb: >> I won't be able to make it -- I've got class then :( > > When does your class end? Can you join in later? Can you otherwise give > some notes here on the ML? > > Tim > > From tim at niemueller.de Wed Oct 1 16:20:35 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:20:35 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3A353.2000602@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > Hi all, > > We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) Meeting is happening now. Everone on this mailing list (and everybody else interested) is invited to join us. Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From tim at niemueller.de Wed Oct 1 22:32:06 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:32:06 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Meeting! In-Reply-To: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> References: <48E35FDD.1050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3FA66.5010709@niemueller.de> Hedayat Vatankhah schrieb: > Hi all, > > We are going to have a meeting on 16:00 UTC, right? :) Meeting minutes are now available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Robotics/Meeting-20081001 Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From tim at niemueller.de Tue Oct 21 14:17:02 2008 From: tim at niemueller.de (Tim Niemueller) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:17:02 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Stage progress Message-ID: <48FDE45E.60705@niemueller.de> Hi Arindam (and others interested). Can you give a short note about the status of the Stage package? I'd really like to see it in Fedora now. I've used it for some time now and it works great here so far. Is there anything left open or something where I can help out? Regards from Aachen, Tim -- Tim Niemueller www.niemueller.de ================================================================= Imagination is more important than knowledge. (Albert Einstein) From makghosh at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 22:45:28 2008 From: makghosh at gmail.com (Arindam Ghosh) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:15:28 +0530 Subject: [Fedora Robotics] Stage progress In-Reply-To: <48FDE45E.60705@niemueller.de> References: <48FDE45E.60705@niemueller.de> Message-ID: <8990327d0811071445w72792cefs21d2626cda4c4c7f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Tim Niemueller wrote: > Hi Arindam (and others interested). > > Can you give a short note about the status of the Stage package? I'd > really like to see it in Fedora now. I've used it for some time now and > it works great here so far. Is there anything left open or something > where I can help out? Well, worked on stage for sometime now, particularly Stage-3.0.1 got koji scratch builds working: F9: [https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=921531] F10: [https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=921523] SRPM: [http://makghosh.fedorapeople.org/SRPMS/stage-3.0.1-1.fc9.src.rpm] Specfile: [http://makghosh.fedorapeople.org/SPECS/stage.spec] Added a patch to fix rpmlint errors of library path issues. Still to add the stage desktop file. But two more things need to addressed...add the sample world files/robot files prolly in /etc/stage and also stage's current cmake doesn't take care of 64-bit archs, so excluded x86_64 & ppc64. There's also open bug tracker over here [http://tinyurl.com/68s63g]. So, lookng into it. 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