From rezso at rdsor.ro Sat Nov 1 01:21:37 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:21:37 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport ? Message-ID: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? cristian -- From rezso at rdsor.ro Sat Nov 1 03:58:24 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:58:24 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Friday 31 October 2003 20:21, Balint Cristian wrote: > Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. If interested let me know, would be nice to see ooo on ppc too. > > cristian > > > -- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From dennis at ausil.us Sat Nov 1 00:30:56 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:30:56 +1000 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031031184215.58593.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031031184215.58593.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200311011030.59931.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 1 Nov 2003 4:42 am, James J. Ramsey wrote: > I just realized that there was a third option, namely > that the init scripts changed so that the "rhgb" > option was now necessary, when it wasn't before. > Judging from the thread "ok, graphical boot, one more > time" (especially the post found at > >), that is exactly what has happened. > > That means that the way to fix this buggy behavior in > the final release is to have Anaconda add "rhgb" to > grub.conf on install. Have you read the release notes for the new release? Fedora Core 1 now uses a graphical interface while booting. The graphical boot screen will appear once the kernel has loaded. Graphical booting is controlled by the GRAPHICAL line in the /etc/sysconfig/init file; set it to "no" to permanently disable graphical booting. In addition, the parameter rhgb must be appended to your bootloader command line. Systems that have been upgraded to Fedora Core 1 will not be configured to include the graphical boot feature. You must install the rhgb package, and add the rhgb boot-time parameter to your bootloader configuration. new installs will have it turned on upgrades will need to be configured Dennis From Paul at essential-skills.com Sat Nov 1 00:31:47 2003 From: Paul at essential-skills.com (Paul Kline) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:31:47 -0500 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067646707.1533.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Don, This is the relevant bug information on www.ximian.com Hopefully this will fix your problem. I ran into this problem myself on a few desktops ;) http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=EgPv_cXg&p_lva=&p_faqid=438&p_created=1064953962&p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTg2JnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9NCZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT0yJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPX5hbnl_JnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9zb3J0X2J5PWZhcXMudXBkYXRlZDpEJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li= HTH, Paul On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 18:33, Don wrote: > Paul, > Same result after I removed all white space from the /etc/hosts file. > > Also, same result after I deleted the comments from the /etc/hosts file. > > rpm-q evolution shows version 1.4.5-7 > > Bugzilla time? > > Don > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:39 PM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > > > > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:26, Don wrote: > > > Paul, > > > That was a very amusing exercise.... :-) > > > > > > Here's the results of the "mylog.txt" file.... > > > > > > sending EHLO [10.10.10.14]^M > > > received 502 > > > sending MAIL FROM: ^M > > > received 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first > > > sending QUIT > > > > > > OK, fine.... obviously my ISP SMTP server doesn't like EHLO and > > wants to see > > > HELO. > > > > > > So, why does evolution report back? > > > Error while performing operation: > > > MAIL FROM response error: unknown > > > > > > What's the purpose of an error message? To allow somebody to diagnose a > > > problem. > > > So how about something like: > > > Error while sending mail: > > > EHLO response error: 502 > > > MAIL FROM response error: 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first > > > > > > The next question is, since EHLO failed, evolution should do one of two > > > things: > > > - try HELO > > > - or stop there... an error of 502 means there's not much point in > > > continuing. > > > > > > Then my little test message remains in the outbox... I deleted it by > > > selecting it and pressing the delete key. > > > The item count in the outbox is now 2 (from my original message as well, > > > also deleted) and when I close evolution it warns me that I have unsent > > > items in the outbox.... there're problems in the delete code > > when removing > > > items from the outbox. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM > > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > Subject: RE: Updated ISO images? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Don, > > > > > > > > This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out > > whitespaces, > > > > blank lines, etc. to fix this bug. > > > > > > > > To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution > > > > &> mylog.txt" > > > > > > > > look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP > > > > response > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > Don, > > > > do this > > > > 1) edit your /etc/hosts and clean out the whitespaces and blanklines. If > > that does not work. delete the comments. > > > > HTH, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sat Nov 1 01:23:26 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:23:26 -0800 Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: <1067622118.7977.4.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067622118.7977.4.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067649806.1754.20.camel@CirithUngol> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 09:41, nosp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 17:35, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > all right, i have some intriguing observations to report. but first, i > > want to settle this "rhgb" boot-line option. can someone point me to > > where this option has any effect *at* *all*? I have a RH9 upgraded system to FCT3, then full rawhide updates, incremental since T3 release day when I upgraded. I haven't ever seen rhgb work on this system, but was fairly certain it was due to the upgraded (and highly modified / borked over system, still kinda acts like redhat I suppose...) :D The point here, is that many people are apparently still having issues with rhgb, even those who are using the correct command line. For this reason I've shared this experiment, not because I think my system is a proper test bed for this particular feature. You can find my rc.sysinit here to try it yourself, or modify yours alike (initscripts-7.42-1): http://www.andrewfarris.com/fedora/rc.sysinit I've added some simple echos to take a look at what is going on at this point in startup. On my system /usr is indeed not mounted at the first 'rhgb startup' sequence, however it is mounted before the second, and rhgb thinks it is running but no display change occurs. Only if I add the --force option to rhgb does it actually work, and then only changes to a blank screen with default X cursor. I have no doubt that fresh installs are much better at this, but people do update afterall, and it doesn't quite work for me. >[snip] > > there is, AFAICT, no test *anywhere* that looks for the option "rhgb" on > > the boot line. > > I suppose it's magically happening then :). What's wrong with your > /etc/rc.sysinit? Mine has the obvious test on line 91: > -- > if fgrep rhgb /proc/cmdline > /dev/null 2>&1 && [ "$BOOTUP" = "color" -a > "$GRAPHICAL" = "yes" -a -x /usr/bin/rhgb ]; then > /usr/bin/rhgb > RHGB_STARTED=1 > fi > -- immediately following the above lines (in both locations in rc.sysinit) I have: [code] ## check rhgb failure? echo -e "\nrhgb failure check:" RHGBFILES="/usr/share/rhgb/fedora-logo.png /usr/share/rhgb/large-computer.png /usr/share/rhgb/throbber-anim.png /usr/bin/rhgb /usr/bin/rhgb-client" echo -e "\trhgb files ( existence checked one at a time ):" for rhgbfile in $RHGBFILES ; do if [ -e $rhgbfile ] ; then echo -e "\t\t$rhgbfile exists" fi done echo -e "\nrhgb: bootup = $BOOTUP ; graphical = $GRAPHICAL ; rhgb_started = $RHGB_STARTED" if [ -x /usr/bin/rhgb-client ] && /usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping ; then echo "/usr/bin/rhgb-client --ping succeeded" echo -en "manually set rhgb details off:" if /usr/bin/rhgb-client --details=no ; then echo "succeeded" else echo "failed" fi else echo "no /usr/bin/rhgb-client yet" fi echo -e "kernel commandline: `cat /proc/cmdline`\n" ## finished rhgb failure check [/code] which produces the following output the second time (first fails in on all points, due to /usr not being available) [code] rhgb failure check: rhgb files ( existence checked one at a time ): /usr/share/rhgb/fedora-logo.png exists /usr/share/rhgb/large-computer.png exists /usr/share/rhgb/throbber-anim.png exists /usr/bin/rhgb exists /usr/bin/rhgb-client exists rhgb: bootup = color ; graphical = yes ; rhgb_started = 1 no /usr/bin/rhgb-client yet kernel commandline: ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi vga=792 rhgb [/code] Not sure why it fails to start rhgb the second time, but because it does fail the rhgb-client --ping fails as well. So if you can't get rhgb to work for the life of you.. plug that in there and see what she says. Interesting to see anyway. NOTE: you may want to download and copy out of my rc.sysinit, be careful of email linebreaks that don't belong (and if there are errors or invalid tests there, point em out please, no real idea what I'm doing and just learning bash...) > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From christoph.wickert at web.de Sat Nov 1 01:37:54 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:37:54 +0100 Subject: bluetooth Message-ID: <1067650674.9465.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Hi there! I'm trying to set up my MSI bluetooth USB dongle. On boot I get an error, something like: "insmod bluez failed: there is already a module named hci_usb." Sometimes i get this message twice. I wonder where this comes from, for hci_usb is not in my modules.conf. When i add it to the blacklist of hotplugd it isn't loaded at all. Can anybody tell me about the init-script or whatever starts bluetooth?? I can find little or no information about this. Also there is no default config for bluez. The folder /etc/bluetooth is empty. I think a default hcid.conf and bluepin etc should be in there. Do I need to apply the Holtmann kernel patches or are they included? All necessary modules are present, but I cant load some of them because of unmatched symbols. I think I need to build a custom kernel... Any hints? Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From christoph.wickert at web.de Sat Nov 1 01:45:03 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:45:03 +0100 Subject: gmix vs xmms In-Reply-To: <1067641674.6210.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1067641674.6210.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <1067651103.9465.32.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Sa, den 01.11.2003 schrieb Christoph Wickert um 00:08: Sorry, I think the problem ist not gmix but xawtv. When I start xawtv, I can't change the volume in xmms. Even after closing tv i have to restart xmms or use gmix. Any ideas? Christoph > Hi there! > > I have trouble with xmms. Sometimes I can't change the volume in xmms, > only gmix works. Only happens in gnome, kde works fine. > > When I open gmix it sometimes changes the volume: xmms is already > running and I've increased volume, it's decreased by gmix loading it's > settings. > > Anybody else seeing this? I think, the volume levels should be restored > at login, not on gmix startup. Never had this problem before, only on > fedora. > > Christoph -- Christoph Wickert From nosp at xades.com Sat Nov 1 01:46:54 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:46:54 +0000 Subject: bluetooth In-Reply-To: <1067650674.9465.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1067650674.9465.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <1067651214.27864.1.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 01:37, Christoph Wickert wrote: > I'm trying to set up my MSI bluetooth USB dongle. On boot I get an > error, something like: > "insmod bluez failed: > there is already a module named hci_usb." Sometimes i get this message > twice. > I wonder where this comes from, for hci_usb is not in my modules.conf. > When i add it to the blacklist of hotplugd it isn't loaded at all. > > Can anybody tell me about the init-script or whatever starts bluetooth?? Check out bluez.sourceforge.net. Bluetooth works fine for me but I do get those error messages. Make sure you have the bluez-utils rpm installed, which provides /etc/init.d/bluetooth (so you can start bluetooth). From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sat Nov 1 01:49:07 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:49:07 -0800 Subject: ok, graphical boot, one more time In-Reply-To: <1067649806.1754.20.camel@CirithUngol> References: <1067622118.7977.4.camel@earth.xades.com> <1067649806.1754.20.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <1067651347.1754.23.camel@CirithUngol> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 17:23, Andrew Farris wrote: > kernel commandline: ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi vga=792 > rhgb Forgot to mention that, no the vga setting does not make any difference to this test. The same result occurs in several text modes as well as the framebuffers. > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sat Nov 1 01:59:00 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:59:00 -0800 Subject: new bugzilla look In-Reply-To: <200311010115.47578.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <200310311654.30763.czar@czarc.net> <3FA2E51D.4060007@gmx.de> <200311010115.47578.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1067651940.1754.28.camel@CirithUngol> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 15:15, Markku Kolkka wrote: > shrek-m at gmx.de kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Lauantai 1. > Marraskuuta 2003 00:41): > > Gene C. wrote: > > >I get saw the "new look" for bugzilla ... nice. > > > > is it possible to use bugzilla with a text-browser > > eg. lynx, links, ... > > It appears to work in elinks. Also works well with the lynx development I compiled yesterday, including cookie login and the advanced search (although the lists are extremely long on the page, like packages). Lynx Version 2.8.5dev.16 (01 Jun 2003) libwww-FM 2.14, SSL-MM 1.4.1, OpenSSL 0.9.7a Built on linux-gnu Oct 30 2003 08:12:10 -- Andrew Farris From jbinpg at shaw.ca Sat Nov 1 02:14:57 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:14:57 -0800 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <200311011030.59931.dennis@ausil.us> References: <20031031184215.58593.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> <200311011030.59931.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <20031101021457.GB13268@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 10:30:56AM +1000, Dennis Gilmore wrote: [snip] feeling pedantic this evening..... > > > Fedora Core 1 now uses a graphical interface while booting. The graphical boot> screen will appear once the kernel has loaded. Graphical booting is > controlled by the GRAPHICAL line in the /etc/sysconfig/init file; set it to > "no" to permanently disable graphical booting. In addition, the parameter > rhgb must be appended to your bootloader command line. In the interests of minimizing ambiguity, this should be rewritten as: "Fedora Core 1 now uses a graphical interface while booting. The graphical boot screen will appear once the kernel has loaded as long as the following options have been enabled: 1) "rhgb" has been appended to your bootloader kernel command line, e.g., title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-20.8) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-20.8 root=/dev/hda2 ro rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.20-20.8.img 2) the GRAPHICAL line in your /etc/sysconfig/init has been set to "yes",e.g., GRAPHICAL = "yes". If you wish to permanently disable graphical boot, set the GRAPHICAL line to "no" in /etc/sysconfig/init." More wordy but more precise, methinks. Despite this, I think rhgb should be set for rhgb by default for the upcoming golden FC1 release. Those who want to kill it can read the README and do it for themselves, whereas newbies will freak. I generally frown on the dumbing down of linux and I railed against rhgb at first but I can see the rationale for attracting newbies. I will never use rhgb but many will. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca P.S. - yes, I hate LABEL in my bootloader ;)) From petersen at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 02:37:41 2003 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:37:41 +0900 Subject: Build emacs from sources fails on compiler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>>>> "HP" == Harry Putnam writes: HP> But even after installing gcc, I still get a HP> segfault during dumping. You mentioned `setarch HP> i386'. How does one set that during build? Yep, this was the issue that was fixed in 21.3-7. :-) -Jens From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sat Nov 1 02:51:37 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:51:37 -0500 Subject: koffice-1.2.1-15 can't open msword doc Message-ID: n kword I try to open a word file -test.doc. It doesn't show up in the open file dialog box - even though All Supported Files is chosen. If I type in test.doc, I get a dialog box that says: Could not import file of type application/x-msword I thought koffice had an msword filter. Wrong? The file open dialog box shows msword as a choice. Is a filter missing? sean _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From christoph.wickert at web.de Sat Nov 1 03:07:01 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 04:07:01 +0100 Subject: bluetooth In-Reply-To: <1067651214.27864.1.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067650674.9465.26.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <1067651214.27864.1.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067656020.6233.7.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Thanks a lot! I just needed to install bluez-utils, configure the files and restart bluetooth. bluetooth:/// in nautilus shows my mobile and the error message at boot is gone, too. COOL! I'm just syncing my mobile with evolution via multiysnc :-) Nevertheless I think, that bluez-utils is the wrong name for this package: Utils are usually optional, this one is absolut necessary. So once again: Thank you very much Christoph From dennis at ausil.us Sat Nov 1 04:06:52 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:06:52 +1000 Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <20031101021457.GB13268@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <20031031184215.58593.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> <200311011030.59931.dennis@ausil.us> <20031101021457.GB13268@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <200311011406.54104.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:14 pm, Jack Bowling wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 10:30:56AM +1000, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > [snip] feeling pedantic this evening..... > > More wordy but more precise, methinks. Despite this, I think rhgb should > be set for rhgb by default for the upcoming golden FC1 release. Those who > want to kill it can read the README and do it for themselves, whereas > newbies will freak. I generally frown on the dumbing down of linux and I > railed against rhgb at first but I can see the rationale for attracting > newbies. I will never use rhgb but many will. if you do a new clean install you will have rhgb from the get go. if you do an upgrade from a previous RH release you will have to manually turn on rhgb. Dennis From lhm0155 at stjoelive.com Sat Nov 1 04:11:13 2003 From: lhm0155 at stjoelive.com (Hank Maxwell) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:11:13 -0600 Subject: problem with up2date Message-ID: <1067659873.7898.4.camel@lhm0155.stjoelive.com> seems that up2date doesn't like the fact that its release version 1 and an athlon processor, tells me its an invalid combination and refuses to allow me to finish registering my system, which of course causes up2date to remain with that annoying check mark From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Nov 1 04:17:25 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:17:25 -0500 Subject: koffice-1.2.1-15 can't open msword doc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310312317.25811.elwoo@videotron.ca> On October 31, 2003 09:51 pm, sean darcy , > wrote: > n kword I try to open a word file -test.doc. It doesn't show up in the open > file dialog box - even though All Supported Files is chosen. > > If I type in test.doc, I get a dialog box that says: > > Could not import file of type application/x-msword > > > I thought koffice had an msword filter. Wrong? The file open dialog box > shows msword as a choice. > > Is a filter missing? I can't answer your question WRT koffice, but kif you have abiword or OpenOffice installed you can load msword documents with them... HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Nov 1 07:47:56 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:47:56 -0500 Subject: Antivir (H+BEDV) problem - possible relation to prelink? Message-ID: <200311010247.56286.elwoo@videotron.ca> Off and on I keep getting this error: # antivir -s -z / AntiVir / Linux Version 2.0.8-15 Copyright (c) 1994-2003 by H+BEDV Datentechnik GmbH. All rights reserved. error (211): program file of AntiVir has been modified ... something tells this might be due to prelink's modifying the executable. Could this be the case? Elton 8>\ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ba at linuxin.dk Sat Nov 1 10:03:40 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:03:40 +0100 Subject: problem with up2date In-Reply-To: <1067659873.7898.4.camel@lhm0155.stjoelive.com> References: <1067659873.7898.4.camel@lhm0155.stjoelive.com> Message-ID: <3FA384FC.6030809@linuxin.dk> Hank Maxwell wrote: >seems that up2date doesn't like the fact that its release version 1 and >an athlon processor, tells me its an invalid combination and refuses to >allow me to finish registering my system, which of course causes up2date >to remain with that annoying check mark > > Same here. I have an P4 and up2date writes: Invalid Architecture and OS release combination (1, i686-redhat-linux). Regards Bjorn -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From pauln at truemesh.com Sat Nov 1 10:07:57 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:07:57 +0000 Subject: problem with up2date In-Reply-To: <1067659873.7898.4.camel@lhm0155.stjoelive.com> References: <1067659873.7898.4.camel@lhm0155.stjoelive.com> Message-ID: <20031101100757.GL31078@shitake.truemesh.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 10:11:13PM -0600, Hank Maxwell wrote: > seems that up2date doesn't like the fact that its release version 1 and > an athlon processor, tells me its an invalid combination and refuses to > allow me to finish registering my system, which of course causes up2date > to remain with that annoying check mark The channel is probably not in rhn atm. The default /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources points to a yum repo (via a redirect) and you don't need to register. Paul From pauln at truemesh.com Sat Nov 1 10:11:19 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:11:19 +0000 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 10:58:24PM -0500, Balint Cristian wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 20:21, Balint Cristian wrote: > > Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? > > I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches > wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work > for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. Yes could you put on a url the spec and patches broken out please. > If interested let me know, would be nice to see ooo on ppc too. Maybe -> bugzilla as an rfe Paul From rezso at rdsor.ro Sat Nov 1 17:12:16 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:12:16 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <200311011212.16561.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Saturday 01 November 2003 05:11, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 10:58:24PM -0500, Balint Cristian wrote: > > On Friday 31 October 2003 20:21, Balint Cristian wrote: > > > Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? > > > > I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches > > wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work > > for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. > > Yes could you put on a url the spec and patches broken out please. ftp://ftp.rdsor.ro/pub/Linux/Distributions/Aurora/scratch/1.1.0-4.tar.gz If there are isues with it let me know, for me worked ok :) cristian > > > If interested let me know, would be nice to see ooo on ppc too. > > Maybe -> bugzilla as an rfe > > Paul > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dennis at ausil.us Sat Nov 1 11:37:55 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:37:55 +1000 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 1 Nov 2003 1:58 pm, Balint Cristian wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 20:21, Balint Cristian wrote: > > Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? > > I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches > wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work > for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. > Just curious how you installed on a ppc machine. did you start with yellow dog and upgrade to rawhide via yum or is there ppc iso's out there? i have a 400mhz G3 with 420 MB ram and have yellow dog on it currently but would love to put Fedora on it. im thinking of setting rawhide to my yum.conf and running yum update. what do you think? Matthias just curious if your yellow dog packages will work with fedora? i guess they should. any ideas on a good way to proceed? Dennis From dennis at ausil.us Sat Nov 1 11:49:17 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:49:17 +1000 Subject: glxgears Message-ID: <200311012149.19377.dennis@ausil.us> Just thought i would give a report on o huge performance increase i have found with glxgears. I have a fully updated fedora core system on my Laptop a Dell Inspiron 4150 p4 1.8 with 512 MB Ram and a Radeon Mobility 7500 running kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 glxgears gives me the following frame rate 4169 frames in 5.0 seconds = 833.800 FPS 4266 frames in 5.0 seconds = 853.200 FPS 4269 frames in 5.0 seconds = 853.800 FPS 4271 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.200 FPS 4272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.400 FPS 4272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.400 FPS 4274 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.800 FPS 4271 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.200 FPS with RH9 i was able to get just over 500 FPS Well done to whoever is responsible for the jump in performance Dennis From tim_kossack at web.de Sat Nov 1 11:57:25 2003 From: tim_kossack at web.de (Tim Kossack) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:57:25 +0100 Subject: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels In-Reply-To: <1067616775.6092.6.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> References: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA1E5B0.8020604@iprimus.com.au> <1067576630.7355.3.camel@home.imoqland.com> <3FA1EEAC.4020504@iprimus.com.au> <1067616775.6092.6.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> Message-ID: <1067687449.1617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Fre, den 31.10.2003 schrieb Alejandro Gonz?lez Hern?ndez - Imoq um 17:12: > On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 23:10, Michael Kearey wrote: > > > Yes, I have noticed that a laptop will work just fine at one site but > > not work at home. Turn off ECN and it's working everywhere. > > > > Just try turning off ECN in kernel to confirm? > > I am sorry I wasn't clearer. > > ECN is off and it still doesn't work with Arjan's precompiled kernel, > but it does work if I get the source, the config file and just recompile > it. hm, i followed michael's advice (thank you very much) and at least my laptop is working now when i turn off ECN. however, it seems that i have to newly turn it off every time i reboot-is this normal? is there a way to switch it off forever? thanks, tim From rezso at rdsor.ro Sat Nov 1 19:07:22 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:07:22 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Saturday 01 November 2003 06:37, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 1 Nov 2003 1:58 pm, Balint Cristian wrote: > > On Friday 31 October 2003 20:21, Balint Cristian wrote: > > > Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? > > > > I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches > > wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work > > for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. > > Just curious how you installed on a ppc machine. did you start with > yellow dog and upgrade to rawhide via yum or is there ppc iso's out there? > i have a 400mhz G3 with 420 MB ram and have yellow dog on it currently > but would love to put Fedora on it. im thinking of setting rawhide to my > yum.conf and running yum update. what do you think? Yes, it is very possible, i have an poor ibook at 300Mhz and keeped up to date since half year. Olso seen on redhat-mail lists guys who are using ppc rawhide tree in the past when was no such ting like fedora was only the RH rawhide (check mailing list history). RH pack for IBM mainframes boxes thay are not aware of macs, but the tree is very usable on macs too as userland. > > Matthias just curious if your yellow dog packages will work with fedora? > i guess they should. any ideas on a good way to proceed? Huhh, story, to clarify my HOWTO: Half year ago have YDL-2.? than step by step I rpm -Uvh (no yum/repos at that time) packages from rawhide except these very mac specific packages: kernel- (unexistent in rawhide) initscripts- gpm- pmud- (unexistent in rawhide) In reset _everything_ is upgradable no YDL will broke if these 4 are kept original and untouched from YDL. Now can't use yum, I am always afraid to not broke these 4 packages (practicaly 2-> initscript and gpm), i trick yum by pass exactly what want to update never do something like "yum update", olso I selfmaintain gpm+initscripts by recompile it from YDL src.rpm but increase the version number to trick yum (ugly dirty method), than i can "yum update" the whole and no breakage happen. If someone know how to config yum to not upgrade specific packages will be nice will save from dirty thing ! As last clarify, exept these two package i have no YDL originated .rpm on my mac, i thing if want try Fedora i suggest to upgrade _everything_ not just half, i dont know how will work with mixture of Fedora/YDL, big booboo will not be but something like icon disapearing and menu disapearing in KDE stuff can happen. You can start, play if want :) Cristian. PS: I forgot to suplly binary OOo-1.1.0-4.ppc.rpm's but intentionaly because of bandwith, if someone request, tell me (it will take a while to upload somewhere), but latest rawhide is required otherwise not work ! > > Dennis > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Sat Nov 1 12:18:03 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 07:18:03 -0500 Subject: so ... how do I get a graphical boot? Message-ID: add this rhgb to the /boot/grub.conf as noted on the line below kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro rhg broot=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi > > >From: "Don" >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: >Subject: RE: so ... how do I get a graphical boot? >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:25:15 -0800 > >When grub shows the list of systems to boot, select "edit" and add "rhgb" >(no quotes) to the list of parameters being passed. > >Don > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Mike Lurk > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:58 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? > > > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:58:21 -0500 (EST) > > From: "Robert P. J. Day" > > To: Fedora Test List > > Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? > > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > > > i realize that the graphical boot has been discussed on numerous > > occasions, but frankly, i've never seen one on my system (currently > > running FC3). how do i get one? (at the moment, i see the standard > > line-oriented boot i've seen for years). > > > > i've verified that /etc/sysconfig/init contains > > > > BOOTUP=color > > GRAPHICAL=yes > > > > i've perused /etc/rc.sysinit and the conditions look like they'd be > > satisfied. /usr/bin/rhgb is there. the file /proc/cmdline does not > > contain the string "nogui". so what am i missing? > > > > i figured it would be nice to see this graphical boot thingie at > > least once. > > > > rday > > > > > > > > > > In grub.conf look for the line; > > > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi > > > > all you have to do is add rhgb to the end of the line and the graphical > > boot should come up. You might have a different kernel installed but it > > should look the same. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From jaap at haitsma.org Sat Nov 1 12:26:15 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:26:15 +0100 Subject: [off topic] How to automatically make file/directory links on webpage? Message-ID: <3FA3A667.7090001@haitsma.org> Thanks for all your help. I got it to work. My hosting provider doesn't run apache with "Options +Indexes", but if you put "Options +Indexes" in a file called .htaccess in the root of your website apache will show you the files automagically unless there is a index.html file in the directory. Thanks again, Jaap From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sat Nov 1 10:40:23 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:40:23 +0100 Subject: e2fsadm missing Message-ID: <1067683222.18363.77.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> I just wanted to benefit from my lvm installation and resize some partitions. Using e2fsadm it told me "ext2online not found". Is there any specific reason not to include that tool in fedora? Otherwise, is it possible to add it? Peter From mharris at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 13:51:41 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:51:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Paul Nasrat wrote: >> I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches >> wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work >> for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. > >Yes could you put on a url the spec and patches broken out please. devserv:~mharris/bin/bhpush can do that nicely, feel free to swipe a copy. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 13:56:24 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:56:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: glxgears In-Reply-To: <200311012149.19377.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200311012149.19377.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >Just thought i would give a report on o huge performance increase i have found >with glxgears. > >I have a fully updated fedora core system on my Laptop a Dell Inspiron 4150 >p4 1.8 with 512 MB Ram and a Radeon Mobility 7500 running >kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 > >glxgears gives me the following frame rate >4169 frames in 5.0 seconds = 833.800 FPS >4266 frames in 5.0 seconds = 853.200 FPS >4269 frames in 5.0 seconds = 853.800 FPS >4271 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.200 FPS >4272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.400 FPS >4272 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.400 FPS >4274 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.800 FPS >4271 frames in 5.0 seconds = 854.200 FPS > >with RH9 i was able to get just over 500 FPS > >Well done to whoever is responsible for the jump in performance My best estimate, is that this performance increase is due to Jakub's libGL optimizations and TLS support for Mesa libGL and DRI modules. Also, libGL and all DRI modules are now compiled with -march=i686 and TLS support, as well as the traditional i386 build. The proper one is automatically detected and used at runtime. There may be other performance gains here and there with other things, but I believe Jakub's work gives the biggest boost. I've CC'd Jakub with your comments, in case he isn't on the list. Take care, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From rezso at rdsor.ro Sat Nov 1 20:54:10 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:54:10 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <200311011554.10407.rezso@rdsor.ro> > >Yes could you put on a url the spec and patches broken out please. > Mike, > devserv:~mharris/bin/bhpush can do that nicely, feel free to swipe a copy. <-- ?!?! :-O I already gived: ftp://ftp.rdsor.ro/pub/Linux/Distributions/Aurora/scratch/1.1.0-4.tar.gz cristian From mharris at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 14:05:28 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote: >>> I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches >>> wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work >>> for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. >> >>Yes could you put on a url the spec and patches broken out please. > >devserv:~mharris/bin/bhpush can do that nicely, feel free to >swipe a copy. Oh shit that was stupid. I thought I was replying to a post on an internal list. Duh. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From nphilipp at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 14:50:07 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:50:07 +0100 Subject: e2fsadm missing In-Reply-To: <1067683222.18363.77.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067683222.18363.77.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1067698207.25044.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 11:40, Peter Boy wrote: > I just wanted to benefit from my lvm installation and resize some > partitions. Using e2fsadm it told me "ext2online not found". > > Is there any specific reason not to include that tool in fedora? > Otherwise, is it possible to add it? "ext2online" is a tool to resize ext2/ext3 partitions while being mounted (you have guessed this). This tools needs a patched kernel in order to work properly -- the Fedora kernel doesn't contain this patch, be it due to "this patch isn't stable enough or differently broken" or "upstream doesn't have this patch, therefore we don't as well". In order to use e2fsadm on a Fedora system, you have to umount the volume in question, run e2fsadm, then you can mount it again. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rezso at rdsor.ro Sat Nov 1 21:49:29 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:49:29 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] [corected one :)] In-Reply-To: <200311011212.16561.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <20031101101117.GM31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <200311011212.16561.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <200311011649.29642.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Saturday 01 November 2003 12:12, Balint Cristian wrote: Sorry, Mistakenly i left an "sleep 30" in .spec and cutted out patcher part of .spec (really sory), I retested .spec and refreshed that (same) link of patches against fedora OOo/ppc: ftp://ftp.rdsor.ro/pub/Linux/Distributions/Aurora/scratch/1.1.0-4.tar.gz cristian From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sat Nov 1 15:16:01 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:16:01 -0500 Subject: Cann't connect to cups page Message-ID: I've just set up and up2dated a new install on what's meant to be a print server. I'm using a cupsd.conf from a working server. It includes: AuthType Basic AuthClass System Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 10.10.8.* #Encryption Required I've flushed iptables. hosts.deny is blank. But when I try to connect to :631, I get a connection refused. Nothing in /var/log/cups/access_log or /var/log/messages. I can ping and telnet into the server. What am I doing wrong? sean _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From ba at linuxin.dk Sat Nov 1 15:19:37 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:19:37 +0100 Subject: problem with up2date In-Reply-To: <20031101100757.GL31078@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <1067659873.7898.4.camel@lhm0155.stjoelive.com> <20031101100757.GL31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <3FA3CF09.9000007@linuxin.dk> Paul Nasrat wrote: >The channel is probably not in rhn atm. The default >/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources points to a yum repo (via a redirect) and you >don't need to register. > > Up2date writes: This system may not be updated until it is associated with a channel. :-) -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From ba at linuxin.dk Sat Nov 1 15:32:58 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:32:58 +0100 Subject: problem with up2date In-Reply-To: <3FA3CF09.9000007@linuxin.dk> References: <1067659873.7898.4.camel@lhm0155.stjoelive.com> <20031101100757.GL31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <3FA3CF09.9000007@linuxin.dk> Message-ID: <3FA3D22A.1040905@linuxin.dk> Bjorn Andersen wrote: >> >> > Up2date writes: This system may not be updated until it is associated > with a channel. Found the problem in /etc/sysconfig/rhn: up2date default yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 yum updates-released http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 I had to unkomment up2date default: #up2date default -- Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows From twaugh at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 15:39:44 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:39:44 +0000 Subject: Cann't connect to cups page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031101153944.GR1963@redhat.com> Since you are using the web interface and not the graphical tool, make sure that you remove redhat-config-printer so that it doesn't make any changes you don't expect. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv Sat Nov 1 16:13:04 2003 From: oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv (Oscar A. Valdez) Date: 01 Nov 2003 10:13:04 -0600 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? Message-ID: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> I've been trying to digest the bifurcation of Red Hat Linux into two different releases. For personal and home use, Fedora is the logical choice. But for my 50 servers and desktops at work, I have allowed myself to be victimized by FUD (ie, Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). I've followed discussions on rebuilding a distribution from RHEL 3.0 source RPMs (see http://www.mail-archive.com/rhel-rebuild-l at uibk.ac.at or http://caosity.org/pipermail/caos), and they are riddled with doubts about the legality of doing so. And then: "Red Hat Enterprise Linux creates a reliable, secure, high performance platform designed for today's commercial environments--with capabilities that match or surpass those of proprietary operating systems." Does this statement from Red Hat mean that I can't get the same from Fedora? I don't think so. As long as Fedora provides stable, compatible packages, bug and security fixes and upgrades, I think I can live with it in my 'production environment' Anyone care to comment? -- Oscar A. Valdez From tuts_linux at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 16:13:39 2003 From: tuts_linux at yahoo.com (Unnikrishnan PC) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:13:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: x is not preperly getting!!!! Message-ID: <20031101161339.39173.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> hi I am using RH9 in a p4 machine with 128MB.When i typing the command for X at first time the system is hanging.I dont know it is a bug or memory pblm. but after i am typing some commands like ls and then typing command for X it is properly working bye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Sat Nov 1 16:37:26 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:37:26 -0500 Subject: gmix vs xmms Message-ID: <1067704646.9447.4.camel@Darkstar> Message: 2 Subject: Re: gmix vs xmms From: Christoph Wickert To: fedora-test-list Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:45:03 +0100 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Am Sa, den 01.11.2003 schrieb Christoph Wickert um 00:08: Sorry, I think the problem ist not gmix but xawtv. When I start xawtv, I can't change the volume in xmms. Even after closing tv i have to restart xmms or use gmix. Any ideas? Christoph > Hi there! > > I have trouble with xmms. Sometimes I can't change the volume in xmms, > only gmix works. Only happens in gnome, kde works fine. > > When I open gmix it sometimes changes the volume: xmms is already > running and I've increased volume, it's decreased by gmix loading it's > settings. > > Anybody else seeing this? I think, the volume levels should be restored > at login, not on gmix startup. Never had this problem before, only on > fedora. > > Christoph -- Christoph Wickert I have a different problem with sound. Every time that I have Xmms running and another sound event happens I lose sound all together. It could even be two sound events happening at the same time. Any ideas. Mike From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 16:46:12 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:46:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: so ... how do i get a graphical boot? In-Reply-To: <200311011030.59931.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <20031101164612.41116.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > Have you read the release notes for the new release? > Why should I have? The new release isn't out yet. Not too surprisingly, I *did* read the release notes for Fedora 0.95 test 3. A very conspicuous change was made that looked like a bug--a much touted feature had disappeared. The nature of the change was announced (buried?) inconspicuously in the release notes. Meanwhile, on the mailing list, when there were complaints about the disappearance of the graphical boot, no mention was made that this was a result of an intentional change, not a bug. Not good. > new installs will have it turned on upgrades will need > to be configured Until yesterday I would have considered that good news. :-( Unfortunately, the graphical boot at the very least messes up support for Wacom USB tablets. (See .) Who knows what other stuff rhgb might break? IMHO, the graphical boot shouldn't be enabled by default *at all*. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Sat Nov 1 16:48:59 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:48:59 -0500 Subject: problem with up2date Message-ID: <1067705338.9447.12.camel@Darkstar> Subject: problem with up2date From: Hank Maxwell To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:11:13 -0600 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com seems that up2date doesn't like the fact that its release version 1 and an athlon processor, tells me its an invalid combination and refuses to allow me to finish registering my system, which of course causes up2date to remain with that annoying check mark. __________________________________________________________________ I have the same problem but I don't have an Athlon Processor. It's an Intel P3 600. This is the error I get when I run up2date: The applet has been unable to access the following information sources in its last attempts: fedora-core-1 @ http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1, updates-released @ http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 Ooops my mistake its the notification tool that has that message, that's why there is that annoying check mark. Any way to fix that. From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Nov 1 17:08:16 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:08:16 +0100 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> Message-ID: <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> Oscar A. Valdez wrote: >Does this statement from Red Hat mean that I can't get the same from >Fedora? I don't think so. As long as Fedora provides stable, compatible >packages, bug and security fixes and upgrades, I think I can live with >it in my 'production environment' > >Anyone care to comment? > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html you will update 1 or 2 times per year all your 50 servers/workstations in a production environment without redhat-support ?? good luck. -- shrek-m From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 17:12:33 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:12:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> Message-ID: <20031101171233.8410.qmail@web10709.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Oscar A. Valdez" wrote: > > Does this statement from Red Hat mean that I can't > get the same from > Fedora? I don't think so. As long as Fedora provides > stable, compatible > packages, bug and security fixes and upgrades, I > think I can live with > it in my 'production environment' > > Anyone care to comment? As far as I can tell, Fedora *releases* should be expected to be as stable as Red Hat 7.x, 8.0, and 9. The main catches with Fedora are that it gets updated as often as the old Red Hat Linux--every six months or so, and that there is no official support. I doubt that Fedora releases will become members of the Church of Our Lady of the Perpetual Beta. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From bcs at metacon.ca Sat Nov 1 17:25:29 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:25:29 -0400 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 13:08, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Oscar A. Valdez wrote: > > >Does this statement from Red Hat mean that I can't get the same from > >Fedora? I don't think so. As long as Fedora provides stable, compatible > >packages, bug and security fixes and upgrades, I think I can live with > >it in my 'production environment' > > > >Anyone care to comment? > > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html > > > you will update 1 or 2 times per year all your 50 servers/workstations > in a production environment without redhat-support ?? > > good luck. Why not? Many companies are already running RH7/8/9 without support. If it worked for them them, it will continue to do so, I should think. For companies with sufficient available Linux/RedHat knowledge, I don't see the bifurcation of the distribution to be a major issue. Basically, if you were already using Redhat in an RHEL-type manner (i.e., paying for support directly from Redhat), then buying RHEL will continue to work for you. If you weren't -- i.e., your local Linux gurus were providing support for you, then Fedora should be sufficient for your production environment. Where I work, we have a combination of RHEL Redhat-supported machines and machines running RH7/8/9 without support from Redhat. We don't expect to change that in the future. We already have Fedora on several test environments so we can learn it sufficiently to support it. For us, the Fedora/RHEL bifurcation will be business as usual. I can't imagine that we are unique in this. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sat Nov 1 17:41:26 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:41:26 -0800 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 09:25, Ben Steeves wrote: > Why not? Many companies are already running RH7/8/9 without support. > If it worked for them them, it will continue to do so, I should think. > For companies with sufficient available Linux/RedHat knowledge, I don't > see the bifurcation of the distribution to be a major issue. Because 7/8/9 had a much longer errata period. 7.3 is _still_ getting errata, and will continue to until the end of this year. Fedora Core releases will only get errata for 2~3 months after the next release. The life span of any given FC release is about 8~10 months. Thats very short when you're talking IT. In the past, one could count on getting errata for at least a year, usually longer. To help with this lack of support, we've launched the Fedora Legacy project, in which the community will take the role in providing backported errata for FC releases once RH no longer provides them. As an added bonus, we've committed to supporting RHL 7.3 once it goes EOL, as well as RHL9. Check the address in my sig for info. > Basically, if you were already using Redhat in an RHEL-type manner > (i.e., paying for support directly from Redhat), then buying RHEL will > continue to work for you. If you weren't -- i.e., your local Linux > gurus were providing support for you, then Fedora should be sufficient > for your production environment. Support is one thing. You could always count on your internal guys for support. But what about software backports? Were your internal guys rolling their own updates and pushing them out to your production servers? Think about it.... - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/o/BL4v2HLvE71NURAsrMAJ4hZT2qjEX1pkWhERpv5TF2j+uf+wCfaHsg JM3EFMIcbIZq8Q53oOK6qeY= =k4VE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux at odegardfamily.org Sat Nov 1 17:48:00 2003 From: linux at odegardfamily.org (Mike Odegard) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 09:48:00 -0800 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? Message-ID: <3FA3F1D0.3060903@odegardfamily.org> Stable releases of Fedora or Red Hat Linux are great for production servers. The point of RHEL versions are the paid support if you need it. They are also certified to work with many commercial applications, such as Oracle, etc. If you really want paid support, and can afford it, go for the Enterprise Linux. However, if you just want community support, and little or no cost, then stick with Fedora, Red Hat, or other stable releases of Linux. Note: you can certainly download any software from ftp.redhat.com and use it, even RHEL SRPM's. You would be on your own to support it. Why bother, when you can get Fedora or Redhat via ISO images, and get community support. From oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv Sat Nov 1 17:53:08 2003 From: oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv (Oscar A. Valdez) Date: 01 Nov 2003 11:53:08 -0600 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1067709200.1187.130.camel@wzowski> El s?b, 01-11-2003 a las 11:08, shrek-m at gmx.de escribi?: > Oscar A. Valdez wrote: > > >Does this statement from Red Hat mean that I can't get the same from > >Fedora? I don't think so. As long as Fedora provides stable, compatible > >packages, bug and security fixes and upgrades, I think I can live with > >it in my 'production environment' > > > >Anyone care to comment? > > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html > > > you will update 1 or 2 times per year all your 50 servers/workstations > in a production environment without redhat-support ?? > What obliges me to update on that schedule? -- Oscar A. Valdez From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sat Nov 1 17:57:54 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:57:54 -0800 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067709200.1187.130.camel@wzowski> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067709200.1187.130.camel@wzowski> Message-ID: <200311010957.55079.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 09:53, Oscar A. Valdez wrote: > What obliges me to update on that schedule? Red Hat will not provide errata updates for Fedora Core releases any longer than 2~3 months after the next release. Since releases will be on a every 6~ month schedule, that means you can count on errata support for 8~9 months per release. It's a pretty tight schedule for production environments. Especially highly controlled ones. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/o/Qj4v2HLvE71NURAiDRAJ9GL8DlmASZiRq0YEekl0sKoLGZuQCgiKQ8 LplrUPvgB8STUThh1+FC3UY= =Tm1c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv Sat Nov 1 18:06:27 2003 From: oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv (Oscar A. Valdez) Date: 01 Nov 2003 12:06:27 -0600 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <3FA3F1D0.3060903@odegardfamily.org> References: <3FA3F1D0.3060903@odegardfamily.org> Message-ID: <1067709987.1196.134.camel@wzowski> El s?b, 01-11-2003 a las 11:48, Mike Odegard escribi?: > Stable releases of Fedora or Red Hat Linux are great for production servers. > > ... if you just want community support, and little or no cost, then > stick with Fedora, Red Hat, or other stable releases of Linux. > > Note: you can certainly download any software from ftp.redhat.com and > use it, even RHEL SRPM's. You would be on your own to support it. > Why bother, when you can get Fedora or Redhat via ISO images, and get > community support. > What do you mean by "Red Hat", as opposed to RHEL? Will there be a non-RHEL, non-Fedora Red Hat, or do you mean the older versions (9.0, 80, etc)? -- Oscar A. Valdez From anthony.seward at ieee.org Sat Nov 1 18:11:36 2003 From: anthony.seward at ieee.org (Anthony Joseph Seward) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:11:36 -0700 Subject: setting gnome-terminal default geometry Message-ID: <1067710296.6159.2.camel@sonylap1> How do I set the default geometry for gnome-terminal? I've tried .Xresources, gconf-tool and Start->Preferences->Preferred Applications but I still can't get it to work. Anyone... anyone... Tony -- Anthony Joseph Seward From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Nov 1 18:16:32 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:16:32 +0100 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <3FA3F880.9030507@gmx.de> Ben Steeves wrote: >On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 13:08, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >>Oscar A. Valdez wrote: >> >> >>>Does this statement from Red Hat mean that I can't get the same from >>>Fedora? I don't think so. As long as Fedora provides stable, compatible >>>packages, >>> >>>bug and security fixes >>> http://redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ see especially the end of life dates >>> and upgrades, I think I can live with >>>it in my 'production environment' >>> >>>Anyone care to comment? >>> >>> >>http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html >> >> >>you will update 1 or 2 times per year all your 50 servers/workstations >>in a production environment without redhat-support ?? >> >>good luck. >> >> > >Why not? Many companies are already running RH7/8/9 without support. >If it worked for them them, it will continue to do so, I should think. >For companies with sufficient available Linux/RedHat knowledge, I don't >see the bifurcation of the distribution to be a major issue. > > take a calculator and take the time you will need in the future for security-udates/bugfixes. we are talking about "production-environment" ? >your local Linux >gurus were providing support for you, then Fedora should be sufficient >for your production environment. > they will provide you bugfixes, security-updates, ... for all your fedora-core-1, fedora-core-2, fedora-core-3, fedora-core-4, ... -- shrek-m From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sat Nov 1 18:29:58 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:29:58 -0500 Subject: Cann't connect to cups page Message-ID: Tim Waugh wrote: >Since you are using the web interface and not the graphical tool, make >sure that you remove redhat-config-printer so that it doesn't make any >changes you don't expect. > >Tim. I realize I wasn't clear in my prior post. I can't connect to cups on the print server at all. That is, I can't print. I was trying to connect to the web interface to see if the jobs actually got there. ( There's no way to see that thru printconfig is there? ). The print server can print locally. In any event, here I have a brand new install, and something is stopping me from printing on it. So I assume Fedora has some access control I don't know about. Not iptables - I flushed them ; not hosts.deny - it's blank. I've assumed - mybe wrongly - that whatever is stopping me from using the cups web interface is the same thing that's stopping me from printing. So - I am using printconfig - I'm only using the web interface to try to figure out what's wrong. thanks for any help sean _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From mutk at iprimus.com.au Sat Nov 1 18:31:27 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 04:31:27 +1000 Subject: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels In-Reply-To: <1067687449.1617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067524864.1629.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA1E5B0.8020604@iprimus.com.au> <1067576630.7355.3.camel@home.imoqland.com> <3FA1EEAC.4020504@iprimus.com.au> <1067616775.6092.6.camel@imoqland.morelos.gob.mx> <1067687449.1617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA3FBFF.20807@iprimus.com.au> Tim Kossack wrote: > Am Fre, den 31.10.2003 schrieb Alejandro Gonz?lez Hern?ndez - Imoq um > 17:12: > >>On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 23:10, Michael Kearey wrote: >> >> >>>Yes, I have noticed that a laptop will work just fine at one site but >>>not work at home. Turn off ECN and it's working everywhere. >>> >>>Just try turning off ECN in kernel to confirm? >> >>I am sorry I wasn't clearer. >> >>ECN is off and it still doesn't work with Arjan's precompiled kernel, >>but it does work if I get the source, the config file and just recompile >>it. > > > hm, i followed michael's advice (thank you very much) and at least my > laptop is working now when i turn off ECN. > however, it seems that i have to newly turn it off every time i > reboot-is this normal? > is there a way to switch it off forever? Yes it's normal. Add the same command that turns it off for you in /etc/rc.d/rc.local (as a new line) will do it. Cheers, Michael From oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv Sat Nov 1 18:34:48 2003 From: oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv (Oscar A. Valdez) Date: 01 Nov 2003 12:34:48 -0600 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <3FA3F880.9030507@gmx.de> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <3FA3F880.9030507@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1067711688.1187.143.camel@wzowski> El s?b, 01-11-2003 a las 12:16, shrek-m at gmx.de escribi?: > >>http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html > >> > >> > >>you will update 1 or 2 times per year all your 50 servers/workstations > >>in a production environment without redhat-support ?? > >> > >>good luck. > >> > >> Will Red Hat somehow enforce the "Update Lifetime: 2-3 months after next release" rule? Isn't Fedora Legacy about not being bound by it? Don't get me wrong: I believe Red Hat has every right to do what they are doing. I also think RHEL is a viable model for commercial Linux, and that Red Hat is being very decent by supporting Fedora. It's just that for some us, (and not only *.edu, but also Third World), RHEL is not an option: I'm trying to determine what my real options are. -- Oscar A. Valdez From thompsma at colorado.edu Sat Nov 1 18:39:46 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:39:46 -0700 Subject: Up2date wants PPC? Message-ID: <1067711986.4213.6.camel@home-dhcp6-143.colorado.edu> I'm having some oddness with up2date and I'm hoping the list can help. First, there is the fact that rawhide keeps changing according to the bot that reports here everyday...yet up2date doesn't see any changes. But, I can forgive that since, perhaps, there is a rawhide freeze in anticipation of the FC1 release. But, what's weirder is that up2date keeps grabbing an odd, single header. If I rm /var/spool/up2date/*, and then run: # up2date --nox --list After it runs and tells me no updates, I get this in /var/spool/update: # ls -ltr /var/spool/up2date/ total 1732 -rw------- 1 root root 10968 Nov 1 11:29 libgnat-3.3.2-1.ppc.hdr -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 866916 Nov 1 11:29 fedora-core-1.20031030104054 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 873498 Nov 1 11:29 updates-released.20031030104054 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131 Nov 1 11:29 updates-released-obsoletes.1000 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131 Nov 1 11:29 fedora-core-1-obsoletes.1000 Can anyone here tell me why up2date is grabbing the header for PPC libgnat? I'm running a PIII so I don't think it'll help me very much. My version is: up2date-4.1.14-2 Thanks for any help, Matt -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sat Nov 1 18:40:42 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:40:42 -0800 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067711688.1187.143.camel@wzowski> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3F880.9030507@gmx.de> <1067711688.1187.143.camel@wzowski> Message-ID: <200311011040.43285.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 10:34, Oscar A. Valdez wrote: > Will Red Hat somehow enforce the "Update Lifetime: 2-3 months after next > release" rule? Isn't Fedora Legacy about not being bound by it? Red Hat cannot enforce that. Fedora Legacy isn't bound by anything but what community can really do. It's not like Red Hat is forcing you to update, they just won't support releases for very long. They can't financially. Legacy is there to pick up the slack for somewhere around a total life span of about 1.5 years. > Don't get me wrong: I believe Red Hat has every right to do what they > are doing. I also think RHEL is a viable model for commercial Linux, and > that Red Hat is being very decent by supporting Fedora. It's just that > for some us, (and not only *.edu, but also Third World), RHEL is not an > option: I'm trying to determine what my real options are. Correct. That is why Legacy was launched. I work for a company that sells hardware to a lot of the smaller offices and .edu places. We know the need for a distro much like RHL of old. Legacy hopes to make Fedora Core that distro, while not breaking RH's bank, or our customers. But, we can only do it with the support of the community and other IHVs. I've gotten the company I work for to donate a server, collocation, and some of my man hours. The more contributers we get, the better Legacy, and therefor Fedora Core, can be. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/o/4r4v2HLvE71NURAupTAKCU9banJhYRAiT2L/k3Yd3gmy7ONQCfXplt ty8If2s5OtcyNLucam4Ww/4= =KSGE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Nov 1 19:11:44 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 20:11:44 +0100 Subject: Fedora lifetime References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3FA40570.7000207@wanadoo.es> Jesse Keating wrote: > releases will only get errata for 2~3 months after the next release. The > life span of any given FC release is about 8~10 months. Thats very short ^^^^ A little less. Erratas only for 2-3 months after the next release and a new distribution every 4-6 months == *6-9 months is the Official Fedora Core Life Time* -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Nov 1 19:27:05 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 20:27:05 +0100 Subject: Cann't connect to cups page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA40909.6010802@gmx.de> sean darcy wrote: > I've just set up and up2dated a new install on what's meant to be a > print server. > > I'm using a cupsd.conf from a working server. It includes: > > > > AuthType Basic > AuthClass System > > > Order Deny,Allow > Deny From All > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > Allow From 10.10.8.* > #Encryption Required > # ifconfig # service cups status # lsof -Pi | grep cups # cat /var/log/cups/* | less # lynx http://localhost:631/ # man cupsd.conf # man lpadmin what happens if you substitute "Deny From All" with "Allow From All" only for testing. an other working example, not mine --snip-- Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.1.0/24 Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.1.0/24 AuthType None AuthType Basic AuthClass System Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.1.0/24 --snap-- -- shrek-m From rnix at prometheon.net Sat Nov 1 19:27:28 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:27:28 -0600 Subject: Status 8401 on ethernet Message-ID: <3FA40920.5080505@prometheon.net> My ethernet card(s) keep hanging on both my Dell C800 and L400 laptops running the latest Fedora. I get a "status 8401 can't interupt" on reboot. Both machines have a 3Com 3c59x 10/100 ethernet card. Anyone else having this problem? From czar at czarc.net Sat Nov 1 19:49:35 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:49:35 -0500 Subject: Cann't connect to cups page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311011449.35596.czar@czarc.net> On Saturday 01 November 2003 13:29, sean darcy wrote: > Tim Waugh wrote: > >Since you are using the web interface and not the graphical tool, make > >sure that you remove redhat-config-printer so that it doesn't make any > >changes you don't expect. > > > >Tim. > > I realize I wasn't clear in my prior post. I can't connect to cups on the > print server at all. That is, I can't print. I was trying to connect to the > web interface to see if the jobs actually got there. ( There's no way to > see that thru printconfig is there? ). The print server can print locally. By default, Red Hat setup for printers disables sharing. To enable sharing (so other systems can print to your server), see: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-printing-sharing.html -- Gene From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sat Nov 1 18:09:55 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:09:55 +0100 Subject: e2fsadm missing In-Reply-To: <1067698207.25044.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1067683222.18363.77.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> <1067698207.25044.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1067710195.5215.2.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Sa, den 01.11.2003 schrieb Nils Philippsen um 15:50: > "ext2online" is a tool to resize ext2/ext3 partitions while being > mounted (you have guessed this). This tools needs a patched kernel in > order to work properly -- the Fedora kernel doesn't contain this patch, > be it due to "this patch isn't stable enough or differently broken" or > "upstream doesn't have this patch, therefore we don't as well". > > In order to use e2fsadm on a Fedora system, you have to umount the > volume in question, run e2fsadm, then you can mount it again. Thanks for information. I will not have to resize my partitions every day - hopefully :-) So umount is not a big problem. Peter From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sat Nov 1 18:11:07 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:11:07 +0100 Subject: Status of bug (rfe?) 107834 Message-ID: <1067710267.5215.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> There are still some probs due to the system wide usage of uft8. One of them is addressed in bug 107834 regarding characters above ascii 128 in Filenames (e.g. samba shares with windows clients). Similar problems arise, if you use evolution to exchange mail with a windows user and even with a linux guy not using Red Hat. Characters above ascii 128 look "silly" and are unreadable. Of course, you can change the system default in /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use another locale. This solves some problems but rises others. Localised output of some local programs get unreadable and/or look quit ugly. @Redhat: are there concrete planings to address these issues which existent since introduction of utf8 as a system default? From ed at eh3.com Sat Nov 1 21:06:38 2003 From: ed at eh3.com (Ed Hill) Date: 01 Nov 2003 16:06:38 -0500 Subject: Status 8401 on ethernet In-Reply-To: <3FA40920.5080505@prometheon.net> References: <3FA40920.5080505@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <1067720797.14407.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 14:27, Ryan Nix wrote: > My ethernet card(s) keep hanging on both my Dell C800 and L400 laptops > running the latest Fedora. I get a "status 8401 can't interupt" on > reboot. Both machines have a 3Com 3c59x 10/100 ethernet card. > > Anyone else having this problem? Have you tried turning off kudzu and rebooting? That might fix your problem. See: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107389 for a description of a similar (perhaps the same?) problem. Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: eh3 at mit.edu, ed at eh3.com URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From drepper at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 21:09:34 2003 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:09:34 -0800 Subject: Fedora Matrox dual head crashes OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <1067595113.16421.73.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067595113.16421.73.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <3FA4210E.7060209@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Boy wrote: > Each time when I start OpenOffice and open a document (some documents, > unfortunately not every), OpenOffice crashes. The window freezes and I > have to use kill to stop it. Same here. Completely different hardware setup, but also using Xinerama. I haven't tried disabling Xinerama but the symptoms are the same. OO.org is completely useless in my world now. The 1.0 version worked. - -- - --------------. ,-. 444 Castro Street Ulrich Drepper \ ,-----------------' \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA Red Hat `--' drepper at redhat.com `--------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/pCES2ijCOnn/RHQRAgK8AKC/wzl8isvwkCoxjiR/ioY55BHhZACfX0pL +tDWGTGzRqLHTa57IWVIKgs= =7/XV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jaap at haitsma.org Sat Nov 1 21:16:00 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:16:00 +0100 Subject: ifup issues Message-ID: <3FA42290.2070202@haitsma.org> Hi, I have a Cisco Aironet 340 PCMCIA wireless access card. ifup and ifdown have the expected behaviour but ifup generates some output I think it should not generate. * Issue 1, when my card is in Managed mode I get the following extraneous line: Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported It is generated by ethtool -i in the following line in ifup (line 212) if [ "${TYPE}" = "Bonding" ] || ethtool -i $DEVICE | grep -q "driver: bonding" ; then * Issue 2, when my card is in Auto mode I get the following extra output Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument. Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported First two lines are generated by iwconfig $DEVICE mode $MODE (line 34 of ifup-wireless) last line again by ifup * Issue 3 I have set the option that normal users can issue an ifup and an ifdown and I also have encryption enabled on my wireless link. redhat-config-network saves the WEP key in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/keys-wifi0 and gives this file rw permission for only the root owner. Issuing an ifup or ifdown as a normal user then gives the following extra output /sbin/ifup: line 48: keys-wifi0: Permission denied It's easily solved by just changing the permissions of the file, but in my opinion redhathe file should be world readable if I tell redhat-config-network that I want users to be able to control the device Jaap From res at ausics.net Sat Nov 1 22:26:46 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:26:46 +1000 (EST) Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > Support is one thing. You could always count on your internal guys for > support. But what about software backports? Were your internal guys > rolling their own updates and pushing them out to your production servers? > Think about it.... And this is why I know of a few data centers already considering the move to slackware for all new boxes and gradual replacements over time, I think RH have lost a lot of friends with this move, the days of RH populating data centers are gone, with a support of only a few months fedora will never see its way in there, can you imagine a center with hundreds and hundreds of boxes runing around replaceing it every 3 months? I cant, some of our servers are still running 7.3, cause we knew RH will put out errata if its seriou enough, general updates who cares, get the tarball, looks like thats how we'll be updateing untill we decide which way to go, update by tarballs in future, or move onto slackware or suse. Time will tell... -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Nov 1 23:08:29 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:08:29 +0100 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3FA43CED.4040003@gmx.de> Res wrote: >On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > > >>Support is one thing. You could always count on your internal guys for >>support. But what about software backports? Were your internal guys >>rolling their own updates and pushing them out to your production servers? >>Think about it.... >> > >[...] I cant, some of our servers are still running 7.3, cause we knew RH will >put out errata if its seriou enough, general updates who cares, get the >tarball, looks like thats how we'll be updateing untill we decide which >way to go, update by tarballs in future, or move onto slackware or suse. > lol SuSE, i personally wouldn?t go back to suse. i had bad experience with the suse-support and i don?t like yast. but this is my opinion. http://www.suse.de/us/private/download/updates/index.html http://redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ -- shrek-m From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Nov 1 23:13:56 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:13:56 +0100 Subject: [OT] Re: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3FA43CED.4040003@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3FA43E34.3010209@wanadoo.es> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > lol SuSE, > i personally wouldn?t go back to suse. > i had bad experience with the suse-support and i don?t like yast. > but this is my opinion. > > http://www.suse.de/us/private/download/updates/index.html > > http://redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ be careful with standard SuSE releases ;-) "At the moment_ we are maintaining SuSE Linux for 2 years - that means Bug fixes and Security fixes will be released for two years for each SuSE Linux version. Contrary to our business products with maintenance this is _not_ guaranteed." -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Nov 1 23:43:28 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:43:28 +0100 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3FA44520.5050305@wanadoo.es> Res wrote: > And this is why I know of a few data centers already considering the move > to slackware for all new boxes and gradual replacements over time, I > think RH have lost a lot of friends with this move, the days of RH > populating data centers are gone, with a support of only a few months > fedora will never see its way in there, can you imagine a center with > hundreds and hundreds of boxes runing around replaceing it every 3 > months? The question is, who do guarantee you that other distribution are going to get a longer/stable lifetime? -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From 1midniterider at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 00:52:46 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 01 Nov 2003 19:52:46 -0500 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1067734365.1524.254.camel@tbird> How should an organization provide support for a program that can be downloaded for free (not including connection charges) and remain in business? How many people/organizations actually took up RedHat's offer for support for a mere $5.00 USD per month (charged annually) or even bought RHL from a store? How many us opted for the "demo" support? Guilty, I am... Personally I don't know how RedHat managed to make it financially... So now they are going after the deeper corporate pockets that can afford the RHEL versions with a version that has longer support cycle and which is certified by the various ISV's and gov't agencies. I'll step down off my soapbox now... But there is the "RHL Professional Workstation" version. Marcus O. On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 17:26, Res wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > Support is one thing. You could always count on your internal guys for > > support. But what about software backports? Were your internal guys > > rolling their own updates and pushing them out to your production servers? > > Think about it.... > > And this is why I know of a few data centers already considering the move > to slackware for all new boxes and gradual replacements over time, I > think RH have lost a lot of friends with this move, the days of RH > populating data centers are gone, with a support of only a few months > fedora will never see its way in there, can you imagine a center with > hundreds and hundreds of boxes runing around replaceing it every 3 > months? > I cant, some of our servers are still running 7.3, cause we knew RH will > put out errata if its seriou enough, general updates who cares, get the > tarball, looks like thats how we'll be updateing untill we decide which > way to go, update by tarballs in future, or move onto slackware or suse. > Time will tell... -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From ruinaudio at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 01:11:24 2003 From: ruinaudio at comcast.net (Ryan) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:11:24 -0600 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067734365.1524.254.camel@tbird> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1067734365.1524.254.camel@tbird> Message-ID: <1067735484.9523.14.camel@ruin> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 18:52, Marcus White wrote: > How many people/organizations actually took up RedHat's offer > for support for a mere $5.00 USD per month (charged annually) or even > bought RHL from a store? How many us opted for the "demo" support? > Guilty, I am... Yikes! I don't feel guilty at all for using demo support. It's a service offered presumably to help grow a user base. Removing that service may or may not have negative effects on the size of that user base (that's what this thread is all about). Personally I like the Fedora "community support" model. Fits my ethics better. This way I pay for support by contributing (if/when possible). Then again, my "production environment" consists of all of two computers. -ry From 1midniterider at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 01:24:44 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 01 Nov 2003 20:24:44 -0500 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: <1067735484.9523.14.camel@ruin> References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1067734365.1524.254.camel@tbird> <1067735484.9523.14.camel@ruin> Message-ID: <1067736284.1524.262.camel@tbird> Which is why the Fedora Project was established... How do you financially support that business model? Right, wrong or indifferent you have to find a niche... Marcus O. On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 20:11, Ryan wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 18:52, Marcus White wrote: > > How many people/organizations actually took up RedHat's offer > > for support for a mere $5.00 USD per month (charged annually) or even > > bought RHL from a store? How many us opted for the "demo" support? > > Guilty, I am... > > Yikes! I don't feel guilty at all for using demo support. It's a > service offered presumably to help grow a user base. Removing that > service may or may not have negative effects on the size of that user > base (that's what this thread is all about). > > Personally I like the Fedora "community support" model. Fits my ethics > better. This way I pay for support by contributing (if/when possible). > Then again, my "production environment" consists of all of two > computers. > > -ry > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From moe at blagblagblag.org Sun Nov 2 01:35:01 2003 From: moe at blagblagblag.org (moe) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:35:01 -0700 Subject: Setting Default System Theme Message-ID: <200311011835.01353.moe@blagblagblag.org> What file contains the default system theme? I mean, when you add a new user, they get that theme automatically instead of Bluecurve. I've changed a number of files, but they don't do the trick: /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc /etc/skel/.gtkrc /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_interface.schemas /etc/gconf/schemas/metacity.schemas /usr/share/themes/Default/gtk/gtkrc Anyone? :) Thanks, -Jeff From paul at dishone.st Sun Nov 2 05:40:23 2003 From: paul at dishone.st (Paul Jakma) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 05:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Res wrote: > And this is why I know of a few data centers already considering > the move to slackware for all new boxes and gradual replacements > over time, I think RH have lost a lot of friends with this move, > the days of RH populating data centers are gone, with a support of > only a few months fedora will never see its way in there, Why should RedHat care if they have lost the data centre's you've described above? Obviously these were not using paid-for 'supported' RedHat Linux. I doubt RedHat are going to lose /too/ much sleep about losing non-paying 'customers'. :) For people who use 'supported' RH Linux or RHEL, life will go on as usual - they'll get multi-year supported distributions. > can you imagine a center with hundreds and hundreds of boxes runing > around replaceing it every 3 months? Backport the security updates (most likely == rebuild the src rpm in most cases). QA updates to see how well they go, and update as neccessary. I'm guessing the security updates backporting will give you at least a year, if not more, before dependencies start biting, and upgrading these days is a doddle with apt. alternatively, pay redhat and get a long-term supported distro, ie RHEL :) > I cant, some of our servers are still running 7.3, cause we knew RH > will put out errata if its seriou enough, general updates who > cares, get the tarball, looks like thats how we'll be updateing > untill we decide which way to go, update by tarballs in future, or > move onto slackware or suse. Time will tell... Or try debian.. it seems to work on about a 2 year cycle, which is what you want it seems. (or pay redhat! you cant blame them for trying to make money!). regards, -- Paul Jakma paul at clubi.ie paul at jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam at dishone.st Fortune: Luck, that's when preparation and opportunity meet. -- P.E. Trudeau From rhl at farorbit.com Sun Nov 2 06:44:41 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:44:41 -0600 Subject: Setting Default System Theme In-Reply-To: <200311011835.01353.moe@blagblagblag.org> References: <200311011835.01353.moe@blagblagblag.org> Message-ID: <3FA4A7D9.4020400@farorbit.com> make a test user, then make it look like you want (add backgrounds, fonts, icons etc.); then logout. Now copy that whole userfolder and replace etc/skel. Now, anyone that logs on gets whatever preferences that your test user had. ./sls moe wrote: >What file contains the default system theme? I mean, when you add a new user, >they get that theme automatically instead of Bluecurve. > >I've changed a number of files, but they don't do the trick: >/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc >/etc/skel/.gtkrc >/etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_interface.schemas >/etc/gconf/schemas/metacity.schemas >/usr/share/themes/Default/gtk/gtkrc > >Anyone? :) > >Thanks, > >-Jeff > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From glass-art at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 07:06:28 2003 From: glass-art at comcast.net (Clifford Snow) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:06:28 -0800 Subject: applications:/// In-Reply-To: <1067448483.7303.3.camel@ruin> References: <1067448483.7303.3.camel@ruin> Message-ID: <1067756788.4714.23.camel@blue.comcast.net> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:28, Ryan wrote: snip > For those others out there (few though they may be) who would like to be > able to edit applications:/// try these instructions at your own risk > (they're pulled verbatim from > http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/repository.html and they worked fine for > me). > > Menu-editing in RedHat 9 > * To enable menu editing per user config (via nautilus), you need > to open a terminal and do the following: > > su - > > cd /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules > cp default-modules.conf default-modules.conf-no-menu-editing > cp default-modules.conf.with-menu-editing default-modules.conf > > For any user you want to have the right to edit their menu, you > also need to do this as the user: > > cd ~/.gnome2/vfolders > cp /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu > applications.vfolder-info > > > * When gnome-panel is restarted (via logout/login or kill) the > user will be able to see the changes they have made to their > menu. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=81215, which was reported against RH9, points out that vfolders are broken. I assume vfolders are still broken and that is why we can not edit menus in FC. Ticket #107899 is the current report that menu editing is not working for FC. It showes it assigned to Havoc Pennington, but no resolution. If there is any progress on fixing the problem, I would be happy to help test solution. -- Clifford Snow glass-art at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nu1sg at yahoo.com Sun Nov 2 08:01:12 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 00:01:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bluetooth and 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl problems? Message-ID: <20031102080112.55427.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> At boot up I get a messege about lsmod not being able to load 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl bluetooth modules, because they already exist. Forgive me for not having the real message, for some reason they are not show up with dmesg. I can't sync ( pilot-xfer -p net:any -l ) with my Tungsten T even though I can log in ppp via Bluetooth just fine. I am on the right track? - Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Nov 2 08:39:39 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:39:39 +0900 Subject: .ogg icon In-Reply-To: <1067756788.4714.23.camel@blue.comcast.net> References: <1067448483.7303.3.camel@ruin> <1067756788.4714.23.camel@blue.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3FA4C2CB.4020900@tuins.ac.jp> Test 3, redhat-artwork 0.85-1 installed, but some common icons, notably .ogg, come up as GNOME icons (foot). Has this been cleared up for the final release? rg From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sun Nov 2 18:43:03 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:43:03 -0600 Subject: How to Turn Off ECN [was: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels] Message-ID: <1067796410.2300.12.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Tim Kossack asked: >hm, i followed michael's advice (thank you very much) and at least my >laptop is working now when i turn off ECN. >however, it seems that i have to newly turn it off every time i >reboot-is this normal? >is there a way to switch it off forever? Add the following line to /etc/sysctl.conf net.ipv4.tcp_ecn = 1 RHL/Fedora reads this file on every startup and adjusts settings accordingly. If you make changes to /etc/sysctl.conf, you can run `sysctl -p` to force the system to re-read the file without a reboot. As root you can run `sysctl -a | less` to read all about the other settings available through this cool facility (such as for firewalls, etc.). I prefer this as opposed to echoing to proc, but it may not be portable to other flavors of Linux. sysctl.conf settings take effect earlier than they would if placed in rc.local. HTH, Paul From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 2 22:30:50 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:30:50 -0500 Subject: Has anyone started packaging XFree86-4.3.99.x? Message-ID: <1067812250.5299.5.camel@tiger> I'm beginning to make packages of this sucker. Just wanted to know if someone else is working on it? --Thanks From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Nov 2 13:17:06 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 14:17:06 +0100 Subject: Fedora compiler question Message-ID: <1067779026.6415.52.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> I remember having read in previous messages, that the Fedora 2.4 kernel is compiled using a different gcc version as the default. So, if I would like to recompile the kernel or to compile additional modules for the kernel I have to take provisions to use that older version. Unfortunately I can't remember the details and could find detailed descriptions in the archiv. Is this still true and could someone give me the necessary information? Thanks Peter From dennis at ausil.us Sun Nov 2 13:39:27 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:39:27 +1000 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <200311022339.29745.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sun, 2 Nov 2003 5:07 am, Balint Cristian wrote: > RH pack for IBM mainframes boxes thay are not aware of macs, but the tree > is very usable on macs too as userland. Ok once im updated ill work on building a new kernel maybe 2.6.0 > Half year ago have YDL-2.? than step by step I rpm -Uvh (no yum/repos at > that time) packages from rawhide except these very mac specific packages: > > kernel- (unexistent in rawhide) > initscripts- > gpm- > pmud- (unexistent in rawhide) > > In reset _everything_ is upgradable no YDL will broke if these 4 are kept > original and untouched from YDL. > > Now can't use yum, I am always afraid to not broke these 4 packages > (practicaly 2-> initscript and gpm), i trick yum by pass exactly what want > to update never do something like "yum update", olso I selfmaintain > gpm+initscripts by recompile it from YDL src.rpm but increase the version > number to trick yum (ugly dirty method), than i can "yum update" the whole > and no breakage happen. > > If someone know how to config yum to not upgrade specific packages will be > nice will save from dirty thing ! add a line to your gloal yum.conf file exclude=kernel initscripts gpm pmud and you should be ok to use yum From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Nov 2 13:17:06 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 14:17:06 +0100 Subject: Fedora compiler question Message-ID: <1067779026.6415.52.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> I remember having read in previous messages, that the Fedora 2.4 kernel is compiled using a different gcc version as the default. So, if I would like to recompile the kernel or to compile additional modules for the kernel I have to take provisions to use that older version. Unfortunately I can't remember the details and could find detailed descriptions in the archiv. Is this still true and could someone give me the necessary information? Thanks Peter From dennis at ausil.us Sun Nov 2 13:39:27 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:39:27 +1000 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <200311022339.29745.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sun, 2 Nov 2003 5:07 am, Balint Cristian wrote: > RH pack for IBM mainframes boxes thay are not aware of macs, but the tree > is very usable on macs too as userland. Ok once im updated ill work on building a new kernel maybe 2.6.0 > Half year ago have YDL-2.? than step by step I rpm -Uvh (no yum/repos at > that time) packages from rawhide except these very mac specific packages: > > kernel- (unexistent in rawhide) > initscripts- > gpm- > pmud- (unexistent in rawhide) > > In reset _everything_ is upgradable no YDL will broke if these 4 are kept > original and untouched from YDL. > > Now can't use yum, I am always afraid to not broke these 4 packages > (practicaly 2-> initscript and gpm), i trick yum by pass exactly what want > to update never do something like "yum update", olso I selfmaintain > gpm+initscripts by recompile it from YDL src.rpm but increase the version > number to trick yum (ugly dirty method), than i can "yum update" the whole > and no breakage happen. > > If someone know how to config yum to not upgrade specific packages will be > nice will save from dirty thing ! add a line to your gloal yum.conf file exclude=kernel initscripts gpm pmud and you should be ok to use yum From rnix at prometheon.net Sun Nov 2 15:57:55 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 09:57:55 -0600 Subject: Fedora and Wireless support Message-ID: <3FA52983.9090904@prometheon.net> Is there a list anywhere of what wireless PCI and PCMCIA cards are supported by the Fedora kernel? From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Mon Nov 3 04:19:36 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:19:36 -0600 Subject: How to Turn Off ECN [was: internet not working with arjan's 2.6 testkernels] In-Reply-To: <1067796410.2300.12.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1067796410.2300.12.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1067833175.1778.0.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 12:43, Paul Morgan wrote: > Tim Kossack asked: > >hm, i followed michael's advice (thank you very much) and at least my > >laptop is working now when i turn off ECN. > >however, it seems that i have to newly turn it off every time i > >reboot-is this normal? > >is there a way to switch it off forever? > > Add the following line to /etc/sysctl.conf > net.ipv4.tcp_ecn = 1 sorry, it should be net.ipv4.tcp_en=0 to disable. > > RHL/Fedora reads this file on every startup and adjusts settings > accordingly. If you make changes to /etc/sysctl.conf, you can run > `sysctl -p` to force the system to re-read the file without a reboot. > > As root you can run `sysctl -a | less` to read all about the other > settings available through this cool facility (such as for firewalls, > etc.). I prefer this as opposed to echoing to proc, but it may not be > portable to other flavors of Linux. sysctl.conf settings take effect > earlier than they would if placed in rc.local. > > HTH, > Paul > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Nov 2 11:28:05 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:28:05 +0100 Subject: ACPI AML problem on Thinkpad T40p - how to correct? Message-ID: <1067772484.6415.46.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> I activated acpi on my IBM Thinkpad T40p. ACPI it meant for device enumaration only and, indeed, the power saving functions nor the battery applet did work. Inspecting /var/log/messages I found: Nov 1 14:26:09 ibmLaptop kernel: ACPI-0178: *** Warning: The ACPI AML in your computer contains errors, please nag the manufacturer to correct it. Nov 1 14:26:09 ibmLaptop kernel: ACPI-0181: *** Warning: Allowing relaxed access to fields; turn on CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG for details. Nov 1 14:26:09 ibmLaptop kernel: ACPI: Interpreter enabled Is the AML (ACPI Machine Language) issue related to the DSDT issues, which has been reported here several times? I couldn't determine it based on the information I found on the ACPI project pages and INTEL's. And how to correct it or is it even necessary to correct? I suppose a kindly letter for Mr. Palmisano will not help so much :-). Regards Peter From eckenrode.8 at osu.edu Sun Nov 2 15:17:27 2003 From: eckenrode.8 at osu.edu (Randy Eckenrode) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:17:27 -0500 Subject: .ogg icon In-Reply-To: <3FA4C2CB.4020900@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1067448483.7303.3.camel@ruin> <1067756788.4714.23.camel@blue.comcast.net> <3FA4C2CB.4020900@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1067786247.17335.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 03:39, rg wrote: > Test 3, redhat-artwork 0.85-1 installed, but some common icons, notably > .ogg, come up as GNOME icons (foot). Has this been cleared up for the > final release? It appears not to be. An Ogg specific icon exists in redhat-artwork-0.87-1, but it is not used. Since I did not see anything in Bugzilla regarding this issue, I filed #108816. --Randy Eckenrode From yshao at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 00:05:24 2003 From: yshao at redhat.com (Yu Shao) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:05:24 +1000 Subject: The fonts now are too obscure to see after updating today. References: Message-ID: <3FA59BC4.1030506@redhat.com> Because of licensing issue of zysong.ttf we had been shipping since RedHat 7.3, we took it out from version ttfonts-zh_CN-2.13-0 in Fedora. Regards, Yu Shao Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, [gb2312] ? ? wrote: > > > >>Greeting everyone. >>I update the XFree86 to 4.3.0-42 today. >> >> > >Updated from what previous XFree86 release? > > > >>I notice that the fonts change a lot now. However, I think they >>are worse than before. >> >> > >Interesting... considering nothing has changed in XFree86 for >quite a long time now that might affect fonts. > > > >>If you are somebody like me, who choose Chinese as default, you >>will find the characters become so obscure now. I believe that >>if this is still existed, fedora should not be released. I use a >>notebook with 14.1 @ 1024*768. So I try to reset fonts using LCD >>mode in font setting. But it seems no changes happened. >> >>So please chech-out want is wrong in that. >> >> > >We'll need a lot more information than that to be able to >investigate anything. Fonts should work no different now than >they did even a few months ago. There are no new font related >bugs reported in bugzilla that I can see. If there was a >widespread problem of ugly fonts all of a sudden, bugzilla would >probably be quite flooded with bug reports about font problems. > >I suspect this is just a local font installation issue. If >you've ever manually installed Asian fonts which supply their own >fonts.scale and/or fonts.dir files and don't function properly >with ttmkfdir/mkfontdir generated font metadata files, then this >is a likely cause of the problem. > >Can you provide screenshots? > > > > From garrett at redhat.com Sun Nov 2 22:54:52 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:54:52 -0500 Subject: .ogg icon In-Reply-To: <3FA4C2CB.4020900@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1067448483.7303.3.camel@ruin> <1067756788.4714.23.camel@blue.comcast.net> <3FA4C2CB.4020900@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3FA58B3C.3020705@redhat.com> rg wrote: > Test 3, redhat-artwork 0.85-1 installed, but some common icons, > notably .ogg, come up as GNOME icons (foot). Has this been cleared up > for the final release? I was not aware of this. It should technically work. If there is an error in redhat-artwork, it would be in the icon sheet configuration file under the icons. Basically, within that file, icons mime types are specified. (From memory -- after all it is a weekend) redhat-artwork/art/icon/Bluecurve/sheets/icons-files.icontheme <- it's something like this XML file (in the redhat-artwork source) where such a problem may exist. I think the file's mime type was actually application/x-ogg, which would be tagged as gnome-mime-application-x-ogg. At one point in time, I did test this configuration, and at that one particular moment, it did work. This was before we upgraded to Gnome 2.4.x though, so ymmv. Please file a bug in Bugzilla if it is indeed broken in the latest redhat-artwork. While you're at it, if there are other broken mime type icon files you notice, please also add those to the bug. I will try to fix this as soon as possible if it is indeed an issue. Also include the information on what Nautilus claims the mime type of the file actually may be. You can discover this by right-clicking on the file and selecting properties. It should then display the file's type in the information dialog. Thanks, Garrett From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Sun Nov 2 15:00:40 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 07:00:40 -0800 Subject: 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel lockups with acpi Message-ID: <1067785239.26257.3.camel@suburbia> I'm experiencing kernel lockups with 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl after I receive the following messages in /var/log/messages: Nov 2 06:56:23 suburbia kernel: ACPI-0345: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME Nov 2 06:56:23 suburbia kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1.SEBS] (Node c163f9c0), AE_TIME Nov 2 06:56:23 suburbia kernel: ACPI-1120: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node c163f800), AE_TIME These lockups seem to happen at random intervals, anywhere from every 20 to 60 minutes. I was not receiving these errors and lockup with kernel-2.4.22-1.2111.nptl -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From mharris at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 00:12:15 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:12:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: The fonts now are too obscure to see after updating today. In-Reply-To: <3FA59BC4.1030506@redhat.com> References: <3FA59BC4.1030506@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Yu Shao wrote: >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:05:24 +1000 >From: Yu Shao >To: Mike A. Harris >Cc: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 >Subject: Re: The fonts now are too obscure to see after updating today. > >Because of licensing issue of zysong.ttf we had been shipping since >RedHat 7.3, we took it out from version ttfonts-zh_CN-2.13-0 in Fedora. Ah, I wasn't aware of that, because it isn't part of XFree86. ;o) That however confirms for me that this observed change has nothing to do with upgrading XFree86, since nothing in XFree86 related to font rasterization nor the included fonts themselves had changed. Most likely the usre had upgraded the particular font package that used to contain that font, and now it is gone, and an alternative font which isn't as nice is being used. Thanks for the clarification Yu! TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From moe at blagblagblag.org Sun Nov 2 18:46:26 2003 From: moe at blagblagblag.org (moe) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:46:26 -0700 Subject: Setting Default System Theme In-Reply-To: <3FA4A7D9.4020400@farorbit.com> References: <200311011835.01353.moe@blagblagblag.org> <3FA4A7D9.4020400@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <200311021146.26594.moe@blagblagblag.org> stephan schutter wrote: > make a test user, then make it look like you want (add backgrounds, > fonts, icons etc.); then logout. Now copy that whole userfolder and > replace etc/skel. Now, anyone that logs on gets whatever preferences > that your test user had. The files that get written in the userdir are gconf XML files that have that particular username in them, so they can't just be copied to /etc/skel. In other words, if user rms changes themes, the config files have the text "rms" in them--they are not generic changes that can be dropped into /etc/skel. I realize that your solution points to a workaround, but Fedora sets the default to Bluecurve somehow/somewhere. I would like to change the default the Fedora way. :) Thanks, -Jeff From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Nov 2 16:26:57 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:26:57 +0100 Subject: Battery status problem (with ACPI) Message-ID: <1067790417.5372.108.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> If I activate ACPI the gnome battery applet shows up with 0%. If I check /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state I get: present: yes ERROR: Unable to read battery status Is this usual for the current status of acpi support or is there an error? (as mentioned in another message, I get a warning in dmsg about a broken AML implementation) Hardware: IBM Thinkpad T40p From nosp at xades.com Sun Nov 2 12:36:14 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:36:14 +0000 Subject: Bluetooth and 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl problems? In-Reply-To: <20031102080112.55427.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031102080112.55427.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067776574.13443.8.camel@earth.xades.com> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:01, Daniel Durgin wrote: > At boot up I get a messege about lsmod not being able > to load 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl bluetooth modules, because > they already exist. I get the messages too, but they don't appear to cause a problem with bluetooth -- that I've come across yet, anyway. From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Mon Nov 3 04:53:05 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Due=F1as?=) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:53:05 -0600 Subject: Fedora compiler question In-Reply-To: <1067779026.6415.52.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067779026.6415.52.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1067835185.2839.3.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> run "export CC=gcc32" before you begin to compile anything related to the kernel. El dom, 02-11-2003 a las 07:17, Peter Boy escribi?: > I remember having read in previous messages, that the Fedora 2.4 kernel > is compiled using a different gcc version as the default. So, if I would > like to recompile the kernel or to compile additional modules for the > kernel I have to take provisions to use that older version. > Unfortunately I can't remember the details and could find detailed > descriptions in the archiv. > > Is this still true and could someone give me the necessary information? > > > Thanks > Peter > > > > Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From katzj at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 01:04:07 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:04:07 -0500 Subject: Testing current rawhide... In-Reply-To: <20031031182614.GA25955@redhat.com> References: <20031031135641.69512.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com> <20031031182614.GA25955@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067821446.9700.0.camel@edoras.local.net> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 13:26, Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 05:56:41AM -0800, James J. Ramsey wrote: > > > > - Only enable DMA on hard disks in the BOOT kernel. > > > > However, I still needed to pass ide=nodma to the boot > > prompt to get Fedora test3 to install, so apparently > > either that change didn't make it to the test3 kernel, > > or the attempted change didn't work. > > Anaconda in the current tree disables DMA to non-disks during boot up. > This means for those folks who had devices that could handle > DMA fine, they now have to flip to tty2 and hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever You can actually just boot with 'linux allowcddma' and it won't toggle off DMA for CD drives. Jeremy From nu1sg at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 06:05:24 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:05:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bluetooth and 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl problems? Message-ID: <20031103060524.51891.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:01, Daniel Durgin wrote: > At boot up I get a messege about lsmod not being able > to load 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl bluetooth modules, because > they already exist. >I get the messages too, but they don't appear to cause >a problem with >bluetooth -- that I've come across yet, anyway. False alarm. I need to change Iptables a little all set now. Thanks Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From sharpe at students.uiuc.edu Mon Nov 3 06:47:55 2003 From: sharpe at students.uiuc.edu (Lee Sharpe) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:47:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: ISO Release Time In-Reply-To: <20031103060524.51891.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At what time is the ISOs for the full release expected to be available for download? -- Lee Sharpe sharpe at uiuc.edu Moy Events, http://www.moyevents.com From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Nov 3 06:54:49 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:54:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: ISO Release Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Lee Sharpe wrote: > > At what time is the ISOs for the full release expected to be available for > download? Sometime midweek or maybe a little later. Please search the archives. This was discussed a few days ago. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Nov 3 07:03:07 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:03:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Is anyone using postfix and pine?? Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to get postfix and pine working together using the postfix rpm that comes with severn and Mike Harris's pine rpm. I can send a message from the command line just fine but if I try to use pine it will not send. I get the following in the logs: Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: 761723CC2: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/postdrop[2144]: fatal: uid=508: unexpected record type: 84 Nov 3 00:33:54 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: warning: premature end-of-input on /usr/sbin/postdrop while reading input attribute name Nov 3 00:35:13 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: > localhost[127.0.0.1]: 421 Error: timeout exceeded Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 1 flush 29 Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: timeout after MAIL from localhost[127.0.0.1] Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 1 flush 0 Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 5 flush 33 Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/postdrop[2043]: fatal: uid=508: unexpected record type: 84 Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/postdrop[2043]: remove maildrop/4E3623CC0 Nov 3 00:35:15 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Google says that sendmail and postdrop binaries are from different postfix versions but I rm'd the postfix rpm and reinstalled it. My pine config file is the same one I have been using for a couple of years. It works fine on 8.0. Anyone else tried this?? -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From patrickm at myway.com Mon Nov 3 09:06:14 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 04:06:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Release on monday? Message-ID: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> Hello everybody! According to the Fedora site, a new (test) release is scheduled on a monday. Why? Now we all have to wait eagerly until it's monday, should a release on friday not be better (it's a good way to start the weekend)???? PatrickM _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From milan.kerslager at pslib.cz Mon Nov 3 09:34:54 2003 From: milan.kerslager at pslib.cz (Milan Kerslager) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:34:54 +0100 Subject: ISO Release Time In-Reply-To: References: <20031103060524.51891.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031103093454.GA9939@pluto.pslib.cz> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:47:55AM -0600, Lee Sharpe wrote: > > At what time is the ISOs for the full release expected to be available for > download? Just to answer question for anyone who is looking for Fedora Core 1 now (like me)... :-) It seems that FC1 will be a little delayed. ----- Forwarded message from "Mike A. Harris" ----- From: "Mike A. Harris" To: fedora-core Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:18:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Testing current rawhide... On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Marcus White wrote: >Are there update iso's? > >On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 09:49, Michael K. Johnson wrote: >> We're at the point of cutting candidate trees for the release, so >> testing current rawhide would be VERY useful. >> >> In particular, the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl kernel is a new build and >> could use hammering, and the installer has changed and testing >> the images would be great; nfs, ftp, and http installs should all >> work. >> >> Other packages that we'd like last-minute testing on include >> samba, apache, bind, sendmail, ntp, mozilla, openoffice.org, >> and gnome-terminal. >> >> Be aware that we're looking specifically for SERIOUS AND MAJOR >> REGRESSIONS, not for annoyances you didn't think to file in >> bugzilla before. We are looking for (and hoping not to hear) >> "Monday's kernel works, today my machine crashes on boot" or >> "test3's samba served content, today it doesn't" or that kind >> of thing. There are internally, although I don't know if they were made publically available or not. I believe there would be high value in making them publically available though for some external final testing, but I'm not sure what the official plan is. mkj: Any chance we can push the latest test ISOs out for people to do final/semi-final testing? TTYL (This feels odd replying on bottom to a mail that was replied on top. Probably looks very confusing to people reading it too. Ah well, I refuse to reply on top, which is broken, so I'm sure people will deal with it, or start a "Why reply on top is considered harmful" flamewar or something. ) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Nov 3 15:46:29 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 03 Nov 2003 10:46:29 -0500 Subject: Release on monday? In-Reply-To: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1067874389.29992.7.camel@opus> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 04:06, PatrickM wrote: > Hello everybody! > > According to the Fedora site, a new (test) release is scheduled on a monday. Why? > > Now we all have to wait eagerly until it's monday, should a release on friday not be better (it's a good way to start the weekend)???? > releasing things on fridays suck. You get little publicity and media coverage. -sv From dima at mailvision.net Mon Nov 3 15:56:08 2003 From: dima at mailvision.net (Dima Gutzeit) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:56:08 +0200 Subject: TUX on test 3 Message-ID: <00d601c3a222$fefc20f0$1400a8c0@dima> Hi everyone , I've been trying to run the TUX and that what I got : Starting tux: /etc/init.d/tux: line 69: /proc/sys/net/tux/threads: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 70: /proc/sys/net/tux/documentroot: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 71: /proc/sys/net/tux/cgi_uid: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 72: /proc/sys/net/tux/cgi_gid: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 73: /proc/sys/net/tux/cgiroot: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 75: /proc/sys/net/tux/keepalive_timeout: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 77: /proc/sys/net/tux/logging: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 78: /proc/sys/net/tux/logfile: No such file or directory Tux version: 2/0/0 TUX protocol version mismatch, kernel 2 != daemon 3 [FAILED] Does anyone has ideas ? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From streeter at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 16:00:25 2003 From: streeter at redhat.com (Guy M. Streeter) Date: 03 Nov 2003 10:00:25 -0600 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> In http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. A version of mkinitrd that doesn't require ppc64-utils. A version of fedora-release for ppc. With these installed (and a bit of manual labor), I upgraded my YDL3 iMac to rawhide. Except for the kernel. --Guy On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 13:07, Balint Cristian wrote: > On Saturday 01 November 2003 06:37, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 1 Nov 2003 1:58 pm, Balint Cristian wrote: > > > On Friday 31 October 2003 20:21, Balint Cristian wrote: > > > > Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? > > > > > > I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches > > > wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work > > > for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. > > > > Just curious how you installed on a ppc machine. did you start with > > yellow dog and upgrade to rawhide via yum or is there ppc iso's out there? > > i have a 400mhz G3 with 420 MB ram and have yellow dog on it currently > > but would love to put Fedora on it. im thinking of setting rawhide to my > > yum.conf and running yum update. what do you think? > > Yes, it is very possible, i have an poor ibook at 300Mhz and keeped up to date since > half year. > Olso seen on redhat-mail lists guys who are using ppc rawhide tree in the past when was no such ting like fedora > was only the RH rawhide (check mailing list history). > > RH pack for IBM mainframes boxes thay are not aware of macs, but the tree is very > usable on macs too as userland. > > > > > Matthias just curious if your yellow dog packages will work with fedora? > > i guess they should. any ideas on a good way to proceed? > > Huhh, story, to clarify my HOWTO: > > Half year ago have YDL-2.? than step by step I rpm -Uvh (no yum/repos at that time) packages from > rawhide except these very mac specific packages: > > kernel- (unexistent in rawhide) > initscripts- > gpm- > pmud- (unexistent in rawhide) > > In reset _everything_ is upgradable no YDL will broke if these 4 are kept original > and untouched from YDL. > > Now can't use yum, I am always afraid to not broke these 4 packages (practicaly 2-> > initscript and gpm), i trick yum by pass exactly what want to update never do something like "yum update", olso > I selfmaintain gpm+initscripts by recompile it from YDL src.rpm but increase the version number > to trick yum (ugly dirty method), than i can "yum update" the whole and no breakage happen. > > If someone know how to config yum to not upgrade specific packages will be nice > will save from dirty thing ! > > As last clarify, exept these two package i have no YDL originated .rpm on my mac, > i thing if want try Fedora i suggest to upgrade _everything_ not just half, i dont know > how will work with mixture of Fedora/YDL, big booboo will not be but something like > icon disapearing and menu disapearing in KDE stuff can happen. > > > You can start, play if want :) > > Cristian. > > PS: > I forgot to suplly binary OOo-1.1.0-4.ppc.rpm's but intentionaly because of bandwith, if someone request, > tell me (it will take a while to upload somewhere), but latest rawhide is required otherwise not work ! > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bkoz at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 16:30:22 2003 From: bkoz at redhat.com (Benjamin Kosnik) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:30:22 -0600 Subject: PPC suport In-Reply-To: <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031103103022.21510269.bkoz@redhat.com> >With these installed (and a bit of manual labor), I upgraded my YDL3 >iMac to rawhide. Except for the kernel. Is there a FAQ or HOWTO on getting Fedora installed on Apple hardware? I've got to do an update to 10.3 and if I can easily do a ppc-linux install at the same time as a dual-boot it seems like a no-brainer. Are there install iso's for PPC? I cannot find them. -benjamin From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 16:34:39 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:34:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: PPC suport In-Reply-To: <20031103103022.21510269.bkoz@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Benjamin Kosnik wrote: > >With these installed (and a bit of manual labor), I upgraded my YDL3 > >iMac to rawhide. Except for the kernel. > > Is there a FAQ or HOWTO on getting Fedora installed on Apple hardware? > I've got to do an update to 10.3 and if I can easily do a ppc-linux > install at the same time as a dual-boot it seems like a no-brainer. > > Are there install iso's for PPC? I cannot find them. Very roughly, 1. Install YDL 2. 'rpm -Fvh *.rpm' on all the rawhide ppc packages. -- Elliot "I lead a very full life. I belong to a handful of chat rooms." - Blofeld From streeter at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 16:35:58 2003 From: streeter at redhat.com (Guy M. Streeter) Date: 03 Nov 2003 10:35:58 -0600 Subject: PPC suport In-Reply-To: <20031103103022.21510269.bkoz@redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031103103022.21510269.bkoz@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067877358.1035.11.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> There are not (yet?) any install isos for ppc. The only way to do it right now, is to install YDL (or maybe some other ppc distro), then upgrade using 'yum'. However, if you need a stable Linux environment on your Apple hardware, I'd stick with YDL. --Guy On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 10:30, Benjamin Kosnik wrote: > >With these installed (and a bit of manual labor), I upgraded my YDL3 > >iMac to rawhide. Except for the kernel. > > Is there a FAQ or HOWTO on getting Fedora installed on Apple hardware? > I've got to do an update to 10.3 and if I can easily do a ppc-linux > install at the same time as a dual-boot it seems like a no-brainer. > > Are there install iso's for PPC? I cannot find them. > > -benjamin > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From pauln at truemesh.com Mon Nov 3 16:58:25 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:58:25 +0000 Subject: PPC suport In-Reply-To: References: <20031103103022.21510269.bkoz@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031103165824.GV31078@shitake.truemesh.com> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:34:39AM -0500, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Benjamin Kosnik wrote: > Very roughly, > > 1. Install YDL > 2. 'rpm -Fvh *.rpm' on all the rawhide ppc packages. Bah lightweight. Install minimal ydl (or possibly use rescue mode?) - initialize partition mount on /mnt/sysimage - mkdir -p /mnt/sysimage/var/lib/rpm - rpm --root /mnt/sysimage/var/lib/rpm --initdb - install base system :) - fix broken (mkinitrd) depends for pure ppc32 - setup yaboot - add ppc specific packages - pmac-utils, hfsutils Paul From gordo at bussefamily.net Mon Nov 3 17:46:01 2003 From: gordo at bussefamily.net (Gord Busse) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:46:01 -0700 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? Message-ID: <007701c3a232$58f87bd0$4602a8c0@gordo> Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as possible. In the above sentence, what does the word "respin" mean or refer to? And does "several days" mean two weeks, three weeks, next month or next week? Sorry, but I am almost bursting from the anticipation of installing Fedora Core 1.0 final release. Thanx, Gord From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Nov 3 18:01:59 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:01:59 -0800 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311031001.59812.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 03 November 2003 08:00, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > In > http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ > you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > A version of mkinitrd that doesn't require ppc64-utils. > A version of fedora-release for ppc. > > With these installed (and a bit of manual labor), I upgraded my YDL3 > iMac to rawhide. > Except for the kernel. Gee, that would have been nice a few days ago, when I did all this by hand (; I manually made the changes necessary to rawhide my ibook. I even rebuild gaim against an older mozilla that works on PPC. I now have a FC+YDL ibook. Very slick. http://geek.j2solutions.net/shots/fct3-osx.png -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Nov 3 18:03:29 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:03:29 -0800 Subject: Release on monday? In-Reply-To: <1067874389.29992.7.camel@opus> References: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1067874389.29992.7.camel@opus> Message-ID: <200311031003.29849.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 03 November 2003 07:46, seth vidal wrote: > releasing things on fridays suck. You get little publicity and media > coverage. And lots of calls/emails on Monday ): -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Nov 3 18:11:50 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:11:50 -0800 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311031011.50325.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 03 November 2003 08:00, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > In > http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ > you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > A version of mkinitrd that doesn't require ppc64-utils. > A version of fedora-release for ppc. > > With these installed (and a bit of manual labor), I upgraded my YDL3 > iMac to rawhide. > Except for the kernel. Some things to watch out for. FC's rc.sysinit didn't seem to catch some necessary stuff for my ibook. pmud failed to work due to some /dev entries missing, so I re-installed YDL's dev package. Some /etc/sysconfig files where missing, that dealt with right/middle click emulation and touchpad preferences. The pbuttonsd and mouse-emulation services had to be re-enabled. The pbuttonsd was a really fun one since your keyboard mappings will be way off until you fix it. I had to ssh into my laptop from another system to adjust it. Not sure if pbuttonsd required the new dev package or the new rc.sysinit, but for some reason after a full upgrade it wasn't starting. I had fixed other items before fixing this one. Thats about all I can remember that tripped me up. IF anybody wants to collect this information, and any other provided info into a how-to or FAQ or whathave you, that would be really cool. I know the YDL folks are interested in this as well. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From daragh.ilug at eircom.net Mon Nov 3 18:21:44 2003 From: daragh.ilug at eircom.net (Daragh Mc Grath) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:21:44 +0000 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: <007701c3a232$58f87bd0$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <007701c3a232$58f87bd0$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <3FA69CB8.5070602@eircom.net> Gord Busse wrote: > Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as > possible. > > In the above sentence, what does the word "respin" mean or refer to? And > does "several days" mean two weeks, three weeks, next month or next > week? Sorry, but I am almost bursting from the anticipation of > installing Fedora Core 1.0 final release. > > Thanx, > Gord All the details are here http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-November/msg00082.html -- Regards, Daragh http://www.daraghmcg.org From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Nov 3 18:39:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:39:22 -0500 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: <3FA69CB8.5070602@eircom.net> References: <007701c3a232$58f87bd0$4602a8c0@gordo> <3FA69CB8.5070602@eircom.net> Message-ID: <200311031339.22015.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 3, 2003 01:21 pm, Daragh Mc Grath , > wrote: > All the details are here > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-November/msg00082.html *IMVHO&, what would hasten the process of the final release, would be if people were to revisit bug reports, or add comments which might assist the programmers to either close same, or find other options towards solving them. Elton ;-) (... just as anxious to see the final product, but just as anxious to see a relatively bug-free one!) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 18:45:49 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:45:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: from "Res" at Tach 02, 2003 08:26:46 Message-ID: <200311031845.hA3IjnK05002@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > And this is why I know of a few data centers already considering the move > to slackware for all new boxes and gradual replacements over time, I > think RH have lost a lot of friends with this move, the days of RH When you try maintaining software for years to the standards Red Hat does it turns out to be quite costly. Some people will choose to take that cost themselves, others may choose to buy RH or other business oriented products. > populating data centers are gone, with a support of only a few months > fedora will never see its way in there, can you imagine a center with > hundreds and hundreds of boxes runing around replaceing it every 3 > months? Fedora is aimed at developers - people who contribute and want cool stuff rather than people who simply want the cheapest possible business deal without regard to quality. There is always a market it isnt worth addressing - the people who won't even pay the cost of the service they provide. > I cant, some of our servers are still running 7.3, cause we knew RH will > put out errata if its seriou enough, general updates who cares, get the > tarball, looks like thats how we'll be updateing untill we decide which > way to go, update by tarballs in future, or move onto slackware or suse. Your right, and if the business economics work for you then nobody would expect you to do anything different. Alan From thompsma at colorado.edu Mon Nov 3 18:49:20 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:49:20 -0700 Subject: Fedora and RHSAs? Message-ID: <1067885360.23660.75.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Does anyone know if the cups* and coreutils RHSAs that are appearing today affect the current Fedora RPMs? up2date/yum don't show any updates for them, but with the freeze that seems to be on I don't know how to take that sign. If they are vulnerable, is there a way to shore up my box until the updates appear? Matt -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan From dima at mailvision.net Mon Nov 3 18:48:51 2003 From: dima at mailvision.net (Dima Gutzeit) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:48:51 +0200 Subject: TUX on test 3 Message-ID: <001c01c3a23b$26496420$a7ac84d9@DIMA> Hi everyone , I've been trying to run the TUX and that what I got : Starting tux: /etc/init.d/tux: line 69: /proc/sys/net/tux/threads: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 70: /proc/sys/net/tux/documentroot: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 71: /proc/sys/net/tux/cgi_uid: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 72: /proc/sys/net/tux/cgi_gid: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 73: /proc/sys/net/tux/cgiroot: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 75: /proc/sys/net/tux/keepalive_timeout: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 77: /proc/sys/net/tux/logging: No such file or directory /etc/init.d/tux: line 78: /proc/sys/net/tux/logfile: No such file or directory Tux version: 2/0/0 TUX protocol version mismatch, kernel 2 != daemon 3 [FAILED] Does anyone has ideas ? 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Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From stephen at skmoore.com Mon Nov 3 18:46:38 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:46:38 +1000 Subject: username/password for up2date Message-ID: <3FA6A28E.7030903@skmoore.com> is it possible to use a username and password with up2date? apt allows it http://user:passwd at premium-download.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ up2date spits out a lot of python errors when i try this -- ??? From sjoerd at acm.org Mon Nov 3 18:59:56 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:59:56 +0100 Subject: Is anyone using postfix and pine?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA6A5AC.4030906@acm.org> Tom Diehl wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to get postfix and pine working together using the postfix > rpm that comes with severn and Mike Harris's pine rpm. I can send a message > from the command line just fine but if I try to use pine it will not send. > I get the following in the logs: > > Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: 761723CC2: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/postdrop[2144]: fatal: uid=508: unexpected record type: 84 > Nov 3 00:33:54 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: warning: premature end-of-input on /usr/sbin/postdrop while reading input attribute name > Nov 3 00:35:13 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: > localhost[127.0.0.1]: 421 Error: timeout exceeded > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 1 flush 29 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: timeout after MAIL from localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 1 flush 0 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 5 flush 33 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/postdrop[2043]: fatal: uid=508: unexpected record type: 84 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/postdrop[2043]: remove maildrop/4E3623CC0 > Nov 3 00:35:15 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] > > Google says that sendmail and postdrop binaries are from different postfix versions > but I rm'd the postfix rpm and reinstalled it. My pine config file is the same one > I have been using for a couple of years. It works fine on 8.0. > > Anyone else tried this?? I have the same problem with postfix and MH. After some searching I finally found the answer. Fedora Core comes with postfix 2.0.11. In the HISTORY entry for version 2.0.12 there is the remark: Bugfix: the stricter postdrop input filter broke "sendmail -bs". Found by Lutz Jaenicke. File: smtpd/smtpd.c. and this is exactly the problem. In other words, if Fedora Core were to upgrade the postfix release to anything newer than 2.0.11 the bug would disappear. The current release is 2.0.16. This particular problem was actually introduced in 2.0.11... From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Nov 3 19:07:01 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:07:01 +0100 Subject: Fedora and RHSAs? In-Reply-To: <1067885360.23660.75.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1067885360.23660.75.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <3FA6A755.7030306@gmx.de> The Matt wrote: >Does anyone know if the cups* and coreutils RHSAs that are appearing >today affect the current Fedora RPMs? > >up2date/yum don't show any updates for them, but with the freeze that >seems to be on I don't know how to take that sign. > >If they are vulnerable, is there a way to shore up my box until the >updates appear? > your problem. the current beta was/is only beta/test you must probably wait until "fedora core 1" cups and fileutils: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh9-errata.html https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh8-errata.html fileutils: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh73-errata.html https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh72-errata.html https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh71-errata.html -- shrek-m From mikko at ipi.fi Mon Nov 3 19:10:42 2003 From: mikko at ipi.fi (Mikko Paananen) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:10:42 +0200 Subject: Status of bug (rfe?) 107834 In-Reply-To: <1067710267.5215.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <1067710267.5215.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <1067886642.19795.30.camel@vohvelirauta> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 20:11, Peter Boy wrote: > There are still some probs due to the system wide usage of uft8. One of > them is addressed in bug 107834 regarding characters above ascii 128 in > Filenames (e.g. samba shares with windows clients). Still same problem with latest kernel from rawhide (2.4.22-1.2115.nptl). You have to manually edit /etc/fstab and add iocharset=utf8 for vfat, ntfs, jfs or joliet cdroms. Note that smbfs also needs setting codepage=cp850 (or equal CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT in kernel) to get all letters right. Also, that does not fix Nautilus that still shows wrong letters on smb-shares, since it has other bugs. See #106733. > Similar problems arise, if you use evolution to exchange mail with a > windows user and even with a linux guy not using Red Hat. Characters > above ascii 128 look "silly" and are unreadable. Evolution has setting to send mail with iso-8859-1/15. Tools->Settings->Mail pref.->Default character encoding. This is not so big issue with since all modern mailreaders handle mime-headers, even outlook. > Of course, you can change the system default in /etc/sysconfig/i18n to > use another locale. Many still do, since utf-8 doesn't work reliably enough from out-of-the-box. (Ever tried nano on UTF-8 system? bug: #101856) Especially I've seen many people complain about corrupted letters on windows drives. From joe at tmsusa.com Mon Nov 3 19:12:01 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (joe) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:12:01 -0800 Subject: Is anyone using postfix and pine?? In-Reply-To: <3FA6A5AC.4030906@acm.org> References: <3FA6A5AC.4030906@acm.org> Message-ID: <3FA6A881.8050701@tmsusa.com> Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > > I have the same problem with postfix and MH. > > After some searching I finally found the answer. Fedora Core comes > with postfix 2.0.11. In the HISTORY entry for version 2.0.12 there is > the remark: > > Bugfix: the stricter postdrop input filter broke "sendmail > -bs". Found by Lutz Jaenicke. File: smtpd/smtpd.c. > > and this is exactly the problem. > > In other words, if Fedora Core were to upgrade the postfix release to > anything newer than 2.0.11 the bug would disappear. The current > release is 2.0.16. I HAD noticed that pine was broken with postifx - however I recently upgraded postfix to 2.0.16 and now pine is working again... Joe From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Mon Nov 3 19:16:28 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:16:28 -0800 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: <007701c3a232$58f87bd0$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: If you look back in the archives, late last week there was an announcement that it would be released mid-week instead of Monday (today), so a few days means 3 to 4 multiples of 24 hours. Respin means the images are being rebuilt, and because of the delay allows a few more bug fixes to be incorporated. Don't confuse "FC 1.0 Final Release" with "FC 1.0 Bug Free".... If you've been keeping up with the updates, I don't know how much "improvement" you anticipate from FCT3+updates to FC 1.0 Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Gord Busse > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:46 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? > > > Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as > possible. > > In the above sentence, what does the word "respin" mean or refer to? And > does "several days" mean two weeks, three weeks, next month or next > week? Sorry, but I am almost bursting from the anticipation of > installing Fedora Core 1.0 final release. > > Thanx, > Gord > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From gordo at bussefamily.net Mon Nov 3 19:39:45 2003 From: gordo at bussefamily.net (Gord Busse) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:39:45 -0700 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009701c3a242$3be10610$4602a8c0@gordo> Don, I know what the definition of "a few days" is. And I now understand that it should be released Mid-Week. But if you look at http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ it specifically says: Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as possible. When you read the above text from the Fedora website it says "several days" not "a few days". The tone of the above message could mean a few weeks or next month. That is why I had the question in the first place. If it had said "a few days" then I would not have asked. Gord -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: November 3, 2003 12:16 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? If you look back in the archives, late last week there was an announcement that it would be released mid-week instead of Monday (today), so a few days means 3 to 4 multiples of 24 hours. Respin means the images are being rebuilt, and because of the delay allows a few more bug fixes to be incorporated. Don't confuse "FC 1.0 Final Release" with "FC 1.0 Bug Free".... If you've been keeping up with the updates, I don't know how much "improvement" you anticipate from FCT3+updates to FC 1.0 Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Gord Busse > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:46 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? > > > Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as > possible. > > In the above sentence, what does the word "respin" mean or refer to? And > does "several days" mean two weeks, three weeks, next month or next > week? Sorry, but I am almost bursting from the anticipation of > installing Fedora Core 1.0 final release. > > Thanx, > Gord > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From sjoerd at acm.org Mon Nov 3 20:01:23 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:01:23 +0100 Subject: Is anyone using postfix and pine?? In-Reply-To: <3FA6A5AC.4030906@acm.org> References: <3FA6A5AC.4030906@acm.org> Message-ID: <3FA6B413.4020906@acm.org> Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > I have the same problem with postfix and MH. > > After some searching I finally found the answer. Fedora Core comes with > postfix 2.0.11. In the HISTORY entry for version 2.0.12 there is the > remark: > > Bugfix: the stricter postdrop input filter broke "sendmail > -bs". Found by Lutz Jaenicke. File: smtpd/smtpd.c. > > and this is exactly the problem. > > In other words, if Fedora Core were to upgrade the postfix release to > anything newer than 2.0.11 the bug would disappear. The current release > is 2.0.16. > > This particular problem was actually introduced in 2.0.11... Filed as bug #108960. From ed at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 20:13:15 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:13:15 -0500 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: <009701c3a242$3be10610$4602a8c0@gordo> (Gord Busse's message of "Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:39:45 -0700") References: <009701c3a242$3be10610$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: >>>>> "Gord" == Gord Busse writes: Gord> Don, I know what the definition of "a few days" is. And I now Gord> understand that it should be released Mid-Week. But if you look at Gord> http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ it specifically says: Gord> Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as Gord> possible. Gord> When you read the above text from the Fedora website it says "several Gord> days" not "a few days". The tone of the above message could mean a Gord> few weeks or next month. That is why I had the question in the first Gord> place. If it had said "a few days" then I would not have asked. You're reading way too much into the difference between "a few" and "several". There's also another thing to keep in mind -- the date at which a release is widely available is not 100% within Red Hat's control. There are delays inherent in dealing with the export control issues as well as the time it takes for mirrors to synch up to the new release. That's why the "as soon as possible" comment is there -- not for some nefarious reason... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From dennis at ausil.us Mon Nov 3 20:56:44 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:56:44 +1000 Subject: Release on monday? In-Reply-To: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200311040656.45165.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Mon, 3 Nov 2003 7:06 pm, PatrickM wrote: > Hello everybody! > > According to the Fedora site, a new (test) release is scheduled on a > monday. Why? > > Now we all have to wait eagerly until it's monday, should a release on > friday not be better (it's a good way to start the weekend)???? Friday is bad i have a Final Exam on Saturday though its a linux subject i dont think it will help me study. :) Dennis From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 3 20:57:23 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:57:23 +0100 Subject: Release on monday? In-Reply-To: <1067874389.29992.7.camel@opus> References: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1067874389.29992.7.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031103205723.GA22978@orient.maison> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:46:29AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > releasing things on fridays suck. You get little publicity and media > coverage. And crappy bittorrent downloads. Emmanuel From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Mon Nov 3 20:59:43 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:59:43 -0600 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] - Off-topic: In-Reply-To: <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067893182.2839.73.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Off-topic: Mozilla packages seem to be broken. The ppc binaries were build with OPTFLAGS=-O2 and CXXFLAGS=-g (!) due to spec file stuff. I sent earlier a message about this issue, but for some reason it has not appeared in the list. El lun, 03-11-2003 a las 10:00, Guy M. Streeter escribi?: > In > http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ > you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > A version of mkinitrd that doesn't require ppc64-utils. > A version of fedora-release for ppc. > > With these installed (and a bit of manual labor), I upgraded my YDL3 > iMac to rawhide. > Except for the kernel. > > --Guy > > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 13:07, Balint Cristian wrote: > > On Saturday 01 November 2003 06:37, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 1 Nov 2003 1:58 pm, Balint Cristian wrote: > > > > On Friday 31 October 2003 20:21, Balint Cristian wrote: > > > > > Will be an openoffice.org for ppc too ? > > > > > > > > I have the full patch over .spec plus some ppc aware patches > > > > wich make fedora's openoffice.org-1.1.0-4-src.rpm to build and work > > > > for me on latest ppc-rawhide on my ibook. > > > > > > Just curious how you installed on a ppc machine. did you start with > > > yellow dog and upgrade to rawhide via yum or is there ppc iso's out there? > > > i have a 400mhz G3 with 420 MB ram and have yellow dog on it currently > > > but would love to put Fedora on it. im thinking of setting rawhide to my > > > yum.conf and running yum update. what do you think? > > > > Yes, it is very possible, i have an poor ibook at 300Mhz and keeped up to date since > > half year. > > Olso seen on redhat-mail lists guys who are using ppc rawhide tree in the past when was no such ting like fedora > > was only the RH rawhide (check mailing list history). > > > > RH pack for IBM mainframes boxes thay are not aware of macs, but the tree is very > > usable on macs too as userland. > > > > > > > > Matthias just curious if your yellow dog packages will work with fedora? > > > i guess they should. any ideas on a good way to proceed? > > > > Huhh, story, to clarify my HOWTO: > > > > Half year ago have YDL-2.? than step by step I rpm -Uvh (no yum/repos at that time) packages from > > rawhide except these very mac specific packages: > > > > kernel- (unexistent in rawhide) > > initscripts- > > gpm- > > pmud- (unexistent in rawhide) > > > > In reset _everything_ is upgradable no YDL will broke if these 4 are kept original > > and untouched from YDL. > > > > Now can't use yum, I am always afraid to not broke these 4 packages (practicaly 2-> > > initscript and gpm), i trick yum by pass exactly what want to update never do something like "yum update", olso > > I selfmaintain gpm+initscripts by recompile it from YDL src.rpm but increase the version number > > to trick yum (ugly dirty method), than i can "yum update" the whole and no breakage happen. > > > > If someone know how to config yum to not upgrade specific packages will be nice > > will save from dirty thing ! > > > > As last clarify, exept these two package i have no YDL originated .rpm on my mac, > > i thing if want try Fedora i suggest to upgrade _everything_ not just half, i dont know > > how will work with mixture of Fedora/YDL, big booboo will not be but something like > > icon disapearing and menu disapearing in KDE stuff can happen. > > > > > > You can start, play if want :) > > > > Cristian. > > > > PS: > > I forgot to suplly binary OOo-1.1.0-4.ppc.rpm's but intentionaly because of bandwith, if someone request, > > tell me (it will take a while to upload somewhere), but latest rawhide is required otherwise not work ! > > > > > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From dennis at ausil.us Mon Nov 3 21:04:09 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:04:09 +1000 Subject: username/password for up2date In-Reply-To: <3FA6A28E.7030903@skmoore.com> References: <3FA6A28E.7030903@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <200311040704.09074.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 4 Nov 2003 4:46 am, Stephen Moore wrote: > is it possible to use a username and password with up2date? > > apt allows it > > http://user:passwd at premium-download.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhi >de/ > > up2date spits out a lot of python errors when i try this As much as i love and use planetmirror i have found that they are about 2-3 days behind on keeping rawhide synced. i initially was using planetmirror and found people in the list were refering to packages that are unavaliable to me yet. Dennis From rmy at tigress.co.uk Mon Nov 3 12:01:09 2003 From: rmy at tigress.co.uk (Ron Yorston) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:01:09 GMT Subject: Mouse redetected Message-ID: <200311031201.MAA14124@tigress.pgs.com> Ben Steeves wrote: >I'm in the same boat as you -- It's rather annoying to have to logout of >X and re-run the mouse configuration when ever I dock my machine. There's an old bugzilla report about the sub-optimal behaviour of kudzu here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=58901 Ron From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Mon Nov 3 12:57:01 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:57:01 -0600 Subject: Broken Fedora mozilla ppc packages (and the fix) Message-ID: <1067864221.2839.41.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Yes, I know it's really crazy, but I wanted to test the fedora PPC stuff. After installing PPC packages from Fedora in an iMac DV (I just avoided initscripts, devlabel, gpm and mkinitrd), I was wondering why everything worked fine except for mozilla/epiphany. I even rebuilt from SRPMs several 1.4.1 SRPMs releases with 100% of negative results, until I examined the mozilla spec file and found out why Fedora's mozilla RPMs for PPC are broken: # build mozilla - XCFLAGS is for NSS which can't use CFLAGS for # various reasons %ifarch ia64 OPTFLAGS=-O0 %else OPTFLAGS=-O2 %endif XCFLAGS=-g \ CFLAGS=-g \ %ifarch ia64 CXXFLAGS="-fno-inline -g" \ %else CXXFLAGS=-g \ %endif Guess the PPC mozilla packages were built just doing rpmbuild --rebuild. So, has mozilla _PPC_ binary pacakges built with OPTFLAGS=-O2 and CXXFLAGS=-g (!?!). After removing these lines from the spec file, that really should consider other architectures, and doing rpmbuild -bb, I could successfully build mozilla packages that actually _work_ on PPC. Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Mon Nov 3 21:45:53 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:45:53 -0600 Subject: Broken Fedora mozilla ppc packages (and the fix) Message-ID: <1067895953.2839.76.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Yes, I know it's really crazy, but I wanted to test the fedora PPC stuff. After installing PPC packages from Fedora in an iMac DV (I just avoided initscripts, devlabel, gpm and mkinitrd), I was wondering why everything worked fine except for mozilla/epiphany. I even rebuilt from SRPMs several 1.4.1 SRPMs releases with 100% of negative results, until I examined the mozilla spec file and found out why Fedora's mozilla RPMs for PPC are broken: # build mozilla - XCFLAGS is for NSS which can't use CFLAGS for # various reasons %ifarch ia64 OPTFLAGS=-O0 %else OPTFLAGS=-O2 %endif XCFLAGS=-g CFLAGS=-g %ifarch ia64 CXXFLAGS="-fno-inline -g" %else CXXFLAGS=-g %endif Guess the PPC mozilla packages were built just doing rpmbuild --rebuild. So, has mozilla _PPC_ binary pacakges built with OPTFLAGS=-O2 and CXXFLAGS=-g (!?!). After removing these lines from the spec file, that really should consider other architectures, and doing rpmbuild -bb, I could successfully build mozilla packages that actually _work_ on PPC. Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From adwint at pandora.be Mon Nov 3 21:50:26 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:50:26 +0100 Subject: Mouse redetected In-Reply-To: <200311031201.MAA14124@tigress.pgs.com> References: <200311031201.MAA14124@tigress.pgs.com> Message-ID: <1067896226.7199.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello list, Kudzu has always behaved rather tricky on my system. It ask for removal/installation of my printer Epson C82 after each and every boot, regardless of any answer I gave it on former occasions. Besides when I first installed RH9, kudzu did not recognise the keyboard on my DELL Dimension 8250. The keyboard was dead as a dodo. The 'cure' I discovered is both simple and unexpected: do NOT touch the keyboard for about 3 minutes (have a coffee) Then continue the installation. Kudzu needs an awefull lot of time to 'wake-up. I think though, this behaviour is unacceptable. I hope Fedora will (have) take(n) care about this. Albert Op ma 03-11-2003, om 13:01 schreef Ron Yorston: > Ben Steeves wrote: > >I'm in the same boat as you -- It's rather annoying to have to logout of > >X and re-run the mouse configuration when ever I dock my machine. > > There's an old bugzilla report about the sub-optimal behaviour of kudzu > here: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=58901 > > Ron > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Nov 3 22:01:49 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:01:49 -0800 Subject: Broken Fedora mozilla ppc packages (and the fix) In-Reply-To: <1067864221.2839.41.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> References: <1067864221.2839.41.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Message-ID: <200311031401.49665.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 03 November 2003 04:57, Joel Barrios wrote: > Guess the PPC mozilla packages were built just doing rpmbuild > --rebuild. So, > has > mozilla _PPC_ binary pacakges built with OPTFLAGS=-O2 and CXXFLAGS=-g > (!?!). > > After removing these lines from the spec file, that really should > consider other architectures, and doing rpmbuild -bb, I could > successfully build mozilla packages that actually _work_ on PPC. I hope there is a bugzilla number on this one... -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From rhce at cybersurf.com Mon Nov 3 14:57:41 2003 From: rhce at cybersurf.com (Mark Hutchinson) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:57:41 -0700 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora Message-ID: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> A bit of a rant, but some serious point on Fedora. What is the delay due to on the release? I do not understand what this means: Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as possible..... This may have been posted before, but I missed it. This is not a good sign for those waiting to see if fedora will still be a professional distro. Relating to some previous posts on RedHat moving to enterprise... How many of you that are currently running RH up to version 9 on many servers are now planning to move away from RedHat? I would certainly prefer not to, but fedora does not seem like a solid bet. I pay for RH subscritions and have 9 installed on about 60-70 servers, and have purchased the box sets before, but I dont like the way Fedora popped up. Are others going to keep Fedora on thier servers? The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did it, but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. Perhaps still including a box set would have been a good idea. Although looking through the mailing list, is Fedora up to the task of running on a server anymore? I am not sure. Rant over. Gus -- "Computers are like air conditioners: They stop working properly if you open windows." ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent with 3webmail http://www.3web.com From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Nov 3 15:24:03 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:24:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Is anyone using postfix and pine?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to get postfix and pine working together using the postfix > rpm that comes with severn and Mike Harris's pine rpm. I can send a message > from the command line just fine but if I try to use pine it will not send. > I get the following in the logs: > > Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: 761723CC2: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 3 00:33:53 tigger postfix/postdrop[2144]: fatal: uid=508: unexpected record type: 84 > Nov 3 00:33:54 tigger postfix/smtpd[2143]: warning: premature end-of-input on /usr/sbin/postdrop while reading input attribute name > Nov 3 00:35:13 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: > localhost[127.0.0.1]: 421 Error: timeout exceeded > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 1 flush 29 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: timeout after MAIL from localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 1 flush 0 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: vstream_fflush_some: fd 5 flush 33 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/postdrop[2043]: fatal: uid=508: unexpected record type: 84 > Nov 3 00:35:14 tigger postfix/postdrop[2043]: remove maildrop/4E3623CC0 > Nov 3 00:35:15 tigger postfix/smtpd[2042]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] > > Google says that sendmail and postdrop binaries are from different postfix versions > but I rm'd the postfix rpm and reinstalled it. My pine config file is the same one > I have been using for a couple of years. It works fine on 8.0. > > Anyone else tried this?? Yes, I've seen this behavior - and my current workarround is to use 'smtp-server=localhost' instead of 'smtp-server=' - which uses /usr/sbin/sendmail Also I remove the sendmail package - thus /usr/sbin/sendmail belongs to postfix.. Satish From farrisg at mala.bc.ca Mon Nov 3 22:38:48 2003 From: farrisg at mala.bc.ca (George Farris) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:38:48 -0800 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <1067899128.31457.15.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> Come on guys get over it, it's only a few days. I would rather see Fedora delayed a few days and have things work a bit better than to have it rushed out the door. I like what Redhat has done here. We can't expect RedHat to remain around forever if they don't make a profit. Sure it would be great if they support us free, forever, but it just isn't in the cards. On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 06:57, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > A bit of a rant, but some serious point on Fedora. > > What is the delay due to on the release? > I do not understand what this means: Delayed due to respin for several days, > will be available as soon as possible..... > > This may have been posted before, but I missed it. > > This is not a good sign for those waiting to see if fedora will still be a > professional distro. > > Relating to some previous posts on RedHat moving to enterprise... > > How many of you that are currently running RH up to version 9 on many servers > are now planning to move away from RedHat? I would certainly prefer not to, > but fedora does not seem like a solid bet. I pay for RH subscritions and have > 9 installed on about 60-70 servers, and have purchased the box sets before, > but I dont like the way Fedora popped up. Are others going to keep Fedora on > thier servers? > > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did it, > but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. > Perhaps still including a box set would have been a good idea. Although > looking through the mailing list, is Fedora up to the task of running on a > server anymore? I am not sure. > > Rant over. > > Gus From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Nov 3 22:36:17 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:36:17 -0800 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <200311031436.21549.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 03 November 2003 06:57, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > Rant over. > > Gus Perhaps now you know why release dates were never publically announced. Too many things that could go slightly wrong and push a release back by any number of days. Of course, of RH had continued to take the hardline on not divulging any release date info, the flames would never stop about being a non-open company. *shrug* Slip happens. Deal with it. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From ali at packetknife.com Mon Nov 3 22:41:10 2003 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:41:10 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <1067899269.2971.8.camel@damascus.packetknife.com> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 09:57, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > What is the delay due to on the release? > I do not understand what this means: Delayed due to respin for several days, > will be available as soon as possible..... Would you rather they released it as-is and without ~some~ comfort level? > This is not a good sign for those waiting to see if fedora will still be a > professional distro. Odd. At Fedora.redhat.com I don't see any statement indicating Fedora is targeted at the professional user and enterprise. > How many of you that are currently running RH up to version 9 on many servers > are now planning to move away from RedHat? I would certainly prefer not to, > but fedora does not seem like a solid bet. I pay for RH subscritions and have > 9 installed on about 60-70 servers, and have purchased the box sets before, > but I dont like the way Fedora popped up. Are others going to keep Fedora on > thier servers? It seems rather short-sighted to jump ship without waiting to see how Fedora develops over a release or two. Or calling RH and asking what 60/70 seats of RHEL would run. Or waiting for the projects that will build/bundle their own RHEL-based-clone w/o any of the (c) or license infractions. But go ahead... jump... you've got plenty of options. Install them all. > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did it, > but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. > Perhaps still including a box set would have been a good idea. Although > looking through the mailing list, is Fedora up to the task of running on a > server anymore? I am not sure. You don't have to be sure. If you want to be sure, buy RHEL with support licenses, then you can be sure RH will be there for you for the agreed time frame. And if they're not, scream at them, hold payment, whatever... Just sit back, relax, and wait for the ride. You have until April before RHL 9 is EOLed, which gives you some time to watch how Fedora goes, negotiate RHEL licenses, look at clones, etc. etc. etc. Cheers, -Ali -- OpenPGP Key: 030E44E6 -- Was I helpful?: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=packetknife -- I don't do diplomacy. You may have noticed. -- Donald Rumsfeld -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 3 22:43:06 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:43:06 +0100 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <20031103224306.GA23673@orient.maison> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:57:41AM -0700, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > > What is the delay due to on the release? RH found a non-technical problem that had to be fixed before the release. They're making new iso releases and will make them availible ASAP. > This may have been posted before, but I missed it. It has... over and over and over again. > This is not a good sign for those waiting to see if fedora will still be a > professional distro. ??? They postponed the release of iso images to fix a problem in the distribution and you don't see this as a good sign? Emmanuel From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 22:52:44 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:52:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> from "Mark Hutchinson" at Tach 03, 2003 07:57:41 Message-ID: <200311032252.hA3Mqjf28390@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > What is the delay due to on the release? > I do not understand what this means: Delayed due to respin for several days, > will be available as soon as possible..... A set of what should hopefully have been gold CD images were made but found to have some problems last minute. That needs fixing and things like the US export laws mean its not a simple case of replace package, recompile and test. (and the retest takes time too) > This is not a good sign for those waiting to see if fedora will still be a > professional distro. You think other software doesn't slip. Its just in the "professional" world nobody told you the date anyway, or they give loose 'safe' dates to allow for slippage. > Perhaps still including a box set would have been a good idea. Although The Fedora trademark rules are looser precisely so other people can do boxed editions. > looking through the mailing list, is Fedora up to the task of running on a > server anymore? I am not sure. Its the next generation of the same code, with more flexibility and rapid change to get you new stuff. It depends what you are looking for. Fedora certainly isnt for everyone. It isn't some kind of "crippled" system however. Alan From maxka at myrealbox.com Mon Nov 3 22:55:48 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:55:48 -0800 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <1067900148.3324.11.camel@max.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 06:57, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > What is the delay due to on the release? > [snip] > This may have been posted before, but I missed it. It was posted a few days ago, by Michael K. Johnson. It was posted again today, too, I think, in another thread. I am chuckling a bit over here -- Fedora's beating the h*ll out of certain _other_ products as far as, um _release delay_ goes. -M From paul at dishone.st Mon Nov 3 22:56:13 2003 From: paul at dishone.st (Paul Jakma) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:56:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Res wrote: > way to go, update by tarballs in future, or move onto slackware or suse. Just missed this bit: but you /do/ know about SRPMs and rpmbuild --rebuild, right? regards, -- Paul Jakma paul at clubi.ie paul at jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam at dishone.st Fortune: If a subordinate asks you a pertinent question, look at him as if he had lost his senses. When he looks down, paraphrase the question back at him. From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Mon Nov 3 23:01:21 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:01:21 +0200 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <03c101c39d24$4cecb2b0$030a0a0a@NATASHA> References: <03c101c39d24$4cecb2b0$030a0a0a@NATASHA> Message-ID: <1067900481.6187.5.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:22, Don Russell wrote: > I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... > > The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it > hangs during checking dependencies etc. > > The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb > fatal errors during the package install. > > Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? > > Thanks, > Don I can see that every-one wants iso's... Well if you have a DVD-R I can give you the command to generate an ISO from the distribution tree: cd /$distribution_tree mkisofs -A Fedora\ Core\ 1/i386 -V Fedora\ Core\ 1/i386 -J -R -v -T -o fedora-core.RC1-i386-DVD.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table . /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/implantisomd5 fedora-core.RC1-i386-DVD.iso You can use this command to generate a ~2.2GB iso which is excellent for VMWare or DVD-R's... Ntz...Ntz...Ntz... so impatient... should warn you though that there are absolutely no differences from an updated Severn Test3... Your choice... From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Nov 3 23:03:01 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:03:01 +0000 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <200311032303.02421.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 November 2003 14:57, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > This is not a good sign for those waiting to see if fedora will still be a > professional distro. Score: -1, Troll - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/pt6ljKeDCxMJCTIRAi9/AJwP5S95gLmCHl1i2VvnmcuHuIgNxgCgkY0Z ZrGkDdYgEXIizITmiCe5SCk= =91ck -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bts at sdf.lonestar.org Mon Nov 3 23:12:50 2003 From: bts at sdf.lonestar.org (Brian Schmidt) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: References: <009701c3a242$3be10610$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > You're reading way too much into the difference between "a few" and > "several". There's also another thing to keep in mind -- the date at which > a release is widely available is not 100% within Red Hat's control. There > are delays inherent in dealing with the export control issues as well as > the time it takes for mirrors to synch up to the new release. That's why > the "as soon as possible" comment is there -- not for some nefarious > reason... :-) Come on, Ed. Quit jerking our collective chains. It's all become very apparent to us that Red Hat stays up late at night finding every possible way to manipulate us with these word games. Your hand has been called; I, for one, will not be fooled!! ;) -- bts at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > Ed > -- > Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv Mon Nov 3 23:16:38 2003 From: oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv (Oscar A. Valdez) Date: 03 Nov 2003 17:16:38 -0600 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <1067901404.1271.42.camel@wzowski> El lun, 03-11-2003 a las 08:57, Mark Hutchinson escribi?: > How many of you that are currently running RH up to version 9 on many servers > are now planning to move away from RedHat? I would certainly prefer not to, > but fedora does not seem like a solid bet. I pay for RH subscritions and have > 9 installed on about 60-70 servers, and have purchased the box sets before, > but I dont like the way Fedora popped up. Are others going to keep Fedora on > thier servers? > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did it, > but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. > Perhaps still including a box set would have been a good idea. Although > looking through the mailing list, is Fedora up to the task of running on a > server anymore? I am not sure. > Gus, I launched a thread titled "RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a production environment?" Take a look at the posts under the thread at http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-November/thread.html#00037 My conclusion is that Fedora will be a "a complete, general purpose operating system" (ie, good for servers). With a release out every 6 months, and updates from fedora.redhat.com for only two months after that, if you want a patched OS you will either have to upgrade every 8 months or so, or get updates after that from the Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy). -- Oscar A. Valdez From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Mon Nov 3 23:21:11 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:21:11 -0500 Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? Message-ID: <1067901671.27913.2.camel@Darkstar> From: Alan Cox Subject: Re: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:45:49 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > And this is why I know of a few data centers already considering the move > to slackware for all new boxes and gradual replacements over time, I > think RH have lost a lot of friends with this move, the days of RH When you try maintaining software for years to the standards Red Hat does it turns out to be quite costly. Some people will choose to take that cost themselves, others may choose to buy RH or other business oriented products. > populating data centers are gone, with a support of only a few months > fedora will never see its way in there, can you imagine a center with > hundreds and hundreds of boxes runing around replaceing it every 3 > months? Fedora is aimed at developers - people who contribute and want cool stuff rather than people who simply want the cheapest possible business deal without regard to quality. There is always a market it isnt worth addressing - the people who won't even pay the cost of the service they provide. > I cant, some of our servers are still running 7.3, cause we knew RH will > put out errata if its seriou enough, general updates who cares, get the > tarball, looks like thats how we'll be updateing untill we decide which > way to go, update by tarballs in future, or move onto slackware or suse. Your right, and if the business economics work for you then nobody would expect you to do anything different. Alan I am looking another OS besides Windows to use. Microsoft licensing issues. Fedora fits the bill. Mike From mharris at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 23:24:13 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:24:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Mark Hutchinson wrote: >A bit of a rant, but some serious point on Fedora. Not really. >What is the delay due to on the release? Read the list archives, or the previous mails in your mail folder. >I do not understand what this means: Delayed due to respin for several days, >will be available as soon as possible..... Read the list archives, or the previous mails in your mail folder. >This may have been posted before, but I missed it. Read the list archives, or the previous mails in your mail folder. >This is not a good sign for those waiting to see if fedora will >still be a professional distro. Oh really? Kindof funny. Other people consider the sign of Red Hat intentionally delaying a release in order to fix some very important last minute issues to be a loud sign that Fedora is a serious distribution, and not just some rag tag thrown over the fence. There are always last minute surprises when creating a large OS distribution the size of Fedora, and previously Red Hat Linux. I don't remember a release ever that wasn't delayed a slight amount be it a day or a few days, etc. The only difference here, is that in the past Red Hat did not officially announce the public release day of the operating system, so the official release was "when it is ready", and so if there was a need to ever delay a release by a day or two, or three or four or whatever in the past, you never were any the wiser now were you? ;o) In the spirit of openness, and as a showing of commitment to being open, you have now been priveledged to have previously been given a hypothetical target-release-date by Red Hat, which was in past OS releases not given out to anyone ever, and for this very reason - that people go hyper paranoid if a date is not met exactly. All manner of FUD gets spread now doesn't it. ;o) And so, now people can perhaps understand /one/ of the perfectly rational reasons why Red Hat did not previously preannounce OS distribution release dates, etc. So what has happened then? Oh my gosh! Some last minute surprises were found that demanded Red Hat attention to fix prior to being released! Oh wait a minute... That's not news, thats more or less to be expected in any major OS project's release planning. In fact, I'll go as far as to say, every release ever made from now on, will probably miss it's publicized target date for one reason or another. Why? Because that is the way it is with software development. No matter what date you set, you always have a couple of unexpected surprises pop up. Not necessarily major ones, but big enough to warrant fixing in order to have a nicer release. I think the majority of users appreciate this openness of the Fedora Core development model very much, and are very happy to see that Red Hat considers Fedora Core an important enough release to delay it for last minute problems like this, and from the majority of people's thoughts that I've seen today, I think most people are happy to see this, even if they're a bit disappointed they have to wait a couple more days. What is a couple of days though in the big picture really? I mean, we could fake the dates and add in a week of buffer time, so that everyone thinks the release is on the 10th of November, but then plan everything and work on everything to hit a date a week earlier, but then that's not exactly being open about the project's development now is it? ;o) With this public knowledge being provided, comes the responsibility by people reading and interpreting the knowledge to realize these things are just natural parts of the software development process in general. Perhaps parts they were shielded from in the past or were not any the wiser about (and didn't need to be). However, with the Fedora Project taking on a community link now, and with the goal of having more community participation and contribution/interaction in the future, it's can't really work unless we let people know these kind of things as soon as possible. >Relating to some previous posts on RedHat moving to >enterprise... > >How many of you that are currently running RH up to version 9 on >many servers are now planning to move away from RedHat? Who could really say? ;o) From the majority of feedback I have seen, most users are more than happy to either switch to one of the RHEL product options available, or to continue using the freely available OS previously known as "Red Hat Linux" which is now known as "Fedora Core" and is being made a more community oriented project. >I would certainly prefer not to, but fedora does not seem like a >solid bet. I pay for RH subscritions and have 9 installed on >about 60-70 servers, and have purchased the box sets before, but >I dont like the way Fedora popped up. Are others going to keep >Fedora on thier servers? I suspect that depends a lot on what types of service and support individuals and companies out there require for their machines. It also depends on how much money or time they'd spend trying to support their OS installations themselves. If people honestly look at their total cost of ownership for running Linux systems, and that includes their own personal time, and the time of their employees, etc. they should compare these various factors with the cost of using Red Hat Enterprise Linux very carefully. Some users misjudge the value RHEL provides initially until they think of the real value they get from using Linux in their business, etc. in the first place, and they think about the true amount of work and time that Red Hat's Enterprise Products will be saving them. I'm sure there are also various users to which RHEL may not meet their given needs, and for them, they may wish to look at Fedora Core, after fully understanding the purpose and project goals of the Fedora Project, and clarifying anything they don't quite understand. Of course there will likely be other options available such as 3rd party support, and other distributions too. Each person should try to consider the various options they have available, and choose the one that best suits their needs. Hopefully that will be RHEL or Fedora, but if not, hopefully it's got Linux inside anyway. ;o) >The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. That remains to be seen yet really. Some people will of course be of that opinion, but it's just that really - an opinion. Many people differ greatly in opinion, and believe the Fedora Project's goals, and Red Hat's movement in this direction are innovative and fairly unique in many ways. That's individualism at work. ;o) Feel free to speculate, but only time will truely tell. >I understand why they did it, but they went too far and >discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. Perhaps still >including a box set would have been a good idea. Although >looking through the mailing list, is Fedora up to the task of >running on a server anymore? I am not sure. I've come to the conclusion over many years that if you are very very big, and you make changes to pretty much anything, you will upset some people greatly, and you will please other people greatly as well. No matter what the change is, many people are resistant to change and will be against the change without even waiting to see if it works out or not. This is of course simple human nature, and is to be expected. The bigger you are, the more you get to see it with every small thing you do. It's in many ways just like politics. No matter who you vote for, they never seem to completely do what you had hoped. They also can never please everyone out there, for every decision they make will be loved by some, and hated by others. In the end, you realize the age old adage is true: You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. That cliche holds true today as it ever did. Once you experience the deep truth to this, you ask yourself the next question: "What do I do then if I can't please everyone all of the time?" The answer to that of course, is that you try to come up with fresh interesting ideas, try to be innovative, and try to stay on top of things, pushing technology here and there, taking a few chances here and there, etc. You come up with some goals, and then you aim to achive them and strive to do your best. You know all along you wont produce something 100% perfect, but you know you can do a great job which pleases the majority of people in a big way, and so you set out to do that. Everyone will have their own quirks and gotchas when everything is said and done, but the main thing is that progress and evolution can't occur if you stick your head in the sand and plod along on the same old path always. Sometimes you need make major changes and try new ideas out. I feel that the newfound openness and joining with the community in such a larger and more direct way, has been needed for a while now, and that Fedora now provides the foundation upon which everything can build into new grounds of innovation more quickly and with a lot of good coming out of the end result. We can't predict the future, but we can guide the path to the future in many ways, and have influence on it's outcome. With the Fedora Project being community based, everyone else can participate in the processes now and more and more as time goes on and infrastructure is put into place. Hope this helps to think of things in a more wider and open minded sense that perhaps some people hadn't considered before. Take care, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv Mon Nov 3 23:32:39 2003 From: oscar.valdez at plastipak.com.sv (Oscar A. Valdez) Date: 03 Nov 2003 17:32:39 -0600 Subject: Fedora and Rawhide Message-ID: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> In the future, will Rawhide be "compatible" with current Fedora releases? -- Oscar A. Valdez (Just trying to be better informed, that's all) From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 3 23:37:12 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:37:12 +0100 Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> References: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> Message-ID: <20031103233712.GA24017@orient.maison> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 05:32:39PM -0600, Oscar A. Valdez wrote: > > In the future, will Rawhide be "compatible" with current Fedora > releases? Rawhide will be the developement version of Fedora so yes. Emmanuel From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 3 23:49:57 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:49:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031103233712.GA24017@orient.maison> References: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> <20031103233712.GA24017@orient.maison> Message-ID: <64705.69.68.37.57.1067903397.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Emmanuel Seyman said: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 05:32:39PM -0600, Oscar A. Valdez wrote: >> >> In the future, will Rawhide be "compatible" with current Fedora >> releases? > > Rawhide will be the developement version of Fedora so yes. And subject to major breakage at times, just like always. Rawhide has never been anything but testing for the next version. -- William Hooper From warren at togami.com Mon Nov 3 23:57:47 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:57:47 -1000 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <3FA6EB7B.8030705@togami.com> Mark Hutchinson wrote: > How many of you that are currently running RH up to version 9 on many > servers are now planning to move away from RedHat? I would certainly > prefer not to, but fedora does not seem like a solid bet. I pay for > RH subscritions and have 9 installed on about 60-70 servers, and have > purchased the box sets before, but I dont like the way Fedora popped > up. Are others going to keep Fedora on thier servers? > I personally plan on running Fedora on all my servers. I beliuve, because I work on it, that Fedora will on the average be of equal or higher quality than RH in the past. To me Fedora wont be very different than the earlier RHL except a different name, more frequent bugfix packages between releases, and a larger package selection from Fedora Extras. Warren From ed at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 00:05:04 2003 From: ed at redhat.com (Edward C. Bailey) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:05:04 -0500 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: (Brian Schmidt's message of "Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:12:50 +0000 (UTC)") References: <009701c3a242$3be10610$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Schmidt writes: Brian> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Edward C. Bailey wrote: >> You're reading way too much into the difference between "a few" and >> "several". There's also another thing to keep in mind -- the date at >> which a release is widely available is not 100% within Red Hat's >> control. There are delays inherent in dealing with the export control >> issues as well as the time it takes for mirrors to synch up to the new >> release. That's why the "as soon as possible" comment is there -- not >> for some nefarious reason... :-) Brian> Come on, Ed. Quit jerking our collective chains. It's all become Brian> very apparent to us that Red Hat stays up late at night finding Brian> every possible way to manipulate us with these word games. Your Brian> hand has been called; I, for one, will not be fooled!! ;) Argh -- I have been discovered! Time to disappear in a puff of smoke... :-) Ed -- Ed Bailey Red Hat, Inc. http://www.redhat.com/ From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Nov 4 00:10:06 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:10:06 -0400 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FA6EB7B.8030705@togami.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6EB7B.8030705@togami.com> Message-ID: <1067904606.19054.1.camel@ripley> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:57, Warren Togami wrote: > I personally plan on running Fedora on all my servers. I beliuve, > because I work on it, that Fedora will on the average be of equal or > higher quality than RH in the past. To me Fedora wont be very different > than the earlier RHL except a different name, more frequent bugfix > packages between releases, and a larger package selection from Fedora > Extras. One question: how much work will the migration from one release of FC to the next be? I know that going from FCT1 to FCT2 to FCT3 has so far been nothing more than a 'yum update', at least for me. Can I reasonably expect more of the same? -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From law at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 00:15:05 2003 From: law at redhat.com (law at redhat.com) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:15:05 -0700 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:10:06 -0400." <1067904606.19054.1.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <200311040015.hA40F5xg009764@speedy.slc.redhat.com> In message <1067904606.19054.1.camel at ripley>, Ben Steeves writes: >On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:57, Warren Togami wrote: > >> I personally plan on running Fedora on all my servers. I beliuve, >> because I work on it, that Fedora will on the average be of equal or >> higher quality than RH in the past. To me Fedora wont be very different >> than the earlier RHL except a different name, more frequent bugfix >> packages between releases, and a larger package selection from Fedora >> Extras. > >One question: how much work will the migration from one release of FC to >the next be? I know that going from FCT1 to FCT2 to FCT3 has so far >been nothing more than a 'yum update', at least for me. Can I >reasonably expect more of the same? It will likely depend on what changes. Consider what happens if for example we need to update GCC and the update has an ABI change. The only way to get a self-consistent system is to effectively update the entire system with binaries built with the new compiler. jeff From mharris at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 00:22:15 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:22:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> References: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Oscar A. Valdez wrote: >In the future, will Rawhide be "compatible" with current Fedora >releases? Simple answer: No. Longer answer: Rawhide is a public snapshot of the constantly moving and changing internal software builds at Red Hat of what will eventually become the next OS release. It has always been this, and current plans are to continue this. At some point in time changes will start getting into the tree which are no doubt incompatible with Fedora Core 1. That will be very intentional. Not intentional in the sense of "break compatibility" but intentional as in "proceed with development". Some of these incompatibilities of course will be temporary and randomly coming and going, whereas others will be permanent due to new technology inclusion, packaging incompatibilities and many other factors. Of course, wherever possible, we try to avoid unnecessary incompatibilites, but that isn't always possible either. Basically, don't treat or use rawhide as your official "updates for Fedora Core 1" location or you very much will get horribly burned in a couple of weeks, perhaps a month or not long after that, when major changes go into the tree. Treat Rawhide with caution, because rawhide has absolutely zero QA testing done on it, and is essentially "this package built, cool". In many cases that package will work fine. In other cases it wont work at all. In other cases it will stop other packages from working too. In worse cases, it will break your system, requiring some nasty trickery to get things back in order. In even worse cases it will trash your system completely and possibly destroy some or all of your data. There are never any guarantees using rawhide, and probably never will be because we need a place to "just build stuff" and to "find out what breaks" and that is what becomes rawhide. It's even possible that rawhide could physically damage your hardware, because the software is totally untested, and there are various bad things that can occur in untested video drivers, kernel drivers, etc. Does this mean people trash their systems every 5 minutes when using Rawhide? No, but it does mean that that is very possible, and to be aware of it and not ever use rawhide on production systems. Just remember... caveat emptor. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From res at ausics.net Tue Nov 4 00:37:52 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:37:52 +1000 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > How many of you that are currently running RH up to version 9 on many servers > are now planning to move away from RedHat? I would certainly prefer not to, When support for 9 ceases we will re-evaluate the situation for sure. > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did it, > but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. WELL SAID! RH have damaged there excellent name with this move, and being with the distro since it first came to life many moons ago, I never thought I'd see the day where I would even *dream* about considering using another flavour, but sadly RH have forced that into a reality, that unless reversed, I feel will also see thousands more move away from the distro. -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemaster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Nov 4 00:42:19 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:42:19 -0500 Subject: Slow boots with kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 Message-ID: <1067906539.3883.10.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> I just did some stop watch timings with kernels kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 and kernel-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl with regards to boot times. kernel-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ------------------------- w/rhgb: 1:11 wo/rhgb: 1:07 kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 ------------------------- w/rhgb: 1:47 wo/rhgb: 1:42 I turned off kudzu. The big problem with 2.6 seems to be in rc.sysinit when it runs depmod -A: INITLOG_ARGS= action $"Finding module dependencies: " depmod -A On the 2.6 kernel this took about 37 seconds and on the 2.4 kernel it was only 3-5 seconds. Is there any reason for depmod to be close to 10 times slower on a 2.6 kernel? Also, is there really a need to rebuild the module dependency file at each reboot? Isn't this step performed when the kernel is built? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Tue Nov 4 00:54:54 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:54:54 -0800 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <1067900481.6187.5.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> Message-ID: Thanks for that info.... Where I find newer ISOs are nice is in the event of a complete, clean, reinstall.... Periodically I wipe the entire system, and if I can reinstall from ISO images without then having to apply all sorts of updates... well, that just seems "easier". :-) What I WOULD like is if the /home directory etc were all in a separate partition so when I says "reformat" to do a clean install, all MY stuff is not affected. There's probably ways to do that, I just want it to be "automatic" when doing a "reformat this all automatically" for me... Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Razvan Corneliu > C.R. "d3vi1" VILT > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:01 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Updated ISO images? > > > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:22, Don Russell wrote: > > I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines.... > > > > The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it > > hangs during checking dependencies etc. > > > > The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb > > fatal errors during the package install. > > > > Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again? > > > > Thanks, > > Don > > I can see that every-one wants iso's... Well if you have a DVD-R I can > give you the command to generate an ISO from the distribution tree: > > cd /$distribution_tree > > mkisofs -A Fedora\ Core\ 1/i386 -V Fedora\ Core\ 1/i386 -J -R -v -T -o > fedora-core.RC1-i386-DVD.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c > isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table . > > /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/implantisomd5 fedora-core.RC1-i386-DVD.iso > > You can use this command to generate a ~2.2GB iso which is excellent for > VMWare or DVD-R's... > > Ntz...Ntz...Ntz... so impatient... should warn you though that there are > absolutely no differences from an updated Severn Test3... > > Your choice... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Nov 4 01:05:34 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:05:34 +0900 Subject: Release on monday? In-Reply-To: <200311040656.45165.dennis@ausil.us> References: <20031103090614.859A939AD@mprdmxin.myway.com> <200311040656.45165.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <3FA6FB5E.2020302@tuins.ac.jp> > > >>According to the Fedora site, a new (test) release is scheduled on a >>monday. Why? >> >> >> Is this correct? A new 'test'? I didn't see any mention of a new 'test,' just the a delay for the public non-test release. rg From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Nov 4 01:06:57 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:06:57 +0100 Subject: Slow boots with kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 References: <1067906539.3883.10.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FA6FBB1.5040807@wanadoo.es> James Drabb wrote: > On the 2.6 kernel this took about 37 seconds and on the 2.4 kernel it > was only 3-5 seconds. Is there any reason for depmod to be close to 10 2.6 kernel still needs a lot of tuning: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=106756428924413&w=2 -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From yinyang at eburg.com Tue Nov 4 01:08:01 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:08:01 -0800 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> Mark Hutchinson wrote: > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did it, > but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. There seem to be a lot of people voicing the opinion that this is a move to abandon the Free Software community. If they bothered to look into the goals of Fedora Linux, they'd see that Red Hat is addressing the things we've been asking them for over the last several years. They've created a brand that can be distributed freely. You couldn't do that with Red Hat Linux. The name was trademarked, and that trademark had to be defended. As a result, cheapbytes.com and others couldn't sell discs branded Red Hat Linux. They'll be able to sell Fedora Core discs. Red Hat has also opened up (or is in the process of doing so) development to their community. Now the people who use the product will also get their chance to contribute to the development process. This is something that the Debian community has bragged about for years. Now that it's a feature of Fedora Core, those same people are talking about it as if it were a drawback. Red Hat hasn't abandoned Linux. They're giving it wings. Their programmers who previously worked on Red Hat Linux and desktop applications for the distribution will continue working on those applications (if I understand correctly). The code will be included in Fedora Core before it sees RH Enterprise. Fedora Core is not an official Red Hat product, but it is funded by Red Hat, and that's something that Debian lacks. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Nov 4 01:30:26 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:30:26 -0500 Subject: Much Excitement & Delay Clarification? In-Reply-To: References: <009701c3a242$3be10610$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <1067909425.31066.4.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:05, Edward C. Bailey wrote: > Brian> Come on, Ed. Quit jerking our collective chains. It's all become > Brian> very apparent to us that Red Hat stays up late at night finding > Brian> every possible way to manipulate us with these word games. Your > Brian> hand has been called; I, for one, will not be fooled!! ;) > > Argh -- I have been discovered! Time to disappear in a puff of > smoke... :-) You have to make some comment about those stupid kids and their meddling dog before you do that. or maybe 'You've not heard the last from me!' before you vanish. -sv From jef at tech-info.qc.ca Tue Nov 4 01:35:36 2003 From: jef at tech-info.qc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Francois_B=E9langer?=) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:35:36 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> Message-ID: <002801c3a273$f2480210$fa00000a@jef> Fedora is also a trademark of RedHat See for details: http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/guidelines/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Messmer" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora > Mark Hutchinson wrote: > > > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did it, > > but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some not. > > There seem to be a lot of people voicing the opinion that this is a move > to abandon the Free Software community. If they bothered to look into > the goals of Fedora Linux, they'd see that Red Hat is addressing the > things we've been asking them for over the last several years. > > They've created a brand that can be distributed freely. You couldn't do > that with Red Hat Linux. The name was trademarked, and that trademark > had to be defended. As a result, cheapbytes.com and others couldn't > sell discs branded Red Hat Linux. They'll be able to sell Fedora Core > discs. > > Red Hat has also opened up (or is in the process of doing so) > development to their community. Now the people who use the product will > also get their chance to contribute to the development process. This is > something that the Debian community has bragged about for years. Now > that it's a feature of Fedora Core, those same people are talking about > it as if it were a drawback. > > Red Hat hasn't abandoned Linux. They're giving it wings. Their > programmers who previously worked on Red Hat Linux and desktop > applications for the distribution will continue working on those > applications (if I understand correctly). The code will be included in > Fedora Core before it sees RH Enterprise. Fedora Core is not an > official Red Hat product, but it is funded by Red Hat, and that's > something that Debian lacks. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mickg at deakin.edu.au Tue Nov 4 01:41:26 2003 From: mickg at deakin.edu.au (Dominic Sgro) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:41:26 +1100 Subject: fedora Message-ID: <000301c3a274$c3084130$3050b880@cm.deakin.edu.au> Does anyone know what the problem is with: http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html I haven't been able to get any response over the last two days.............. _____________________________________ Dominic Sgro Systems Administrator School of Information Technology Deakin University Geelong, Australia Email: mickg at deakin.edu.au Web: http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~mickg - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Important Notice: The contents of this email transmission and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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[...] > WELL SAID! > RH have damaged there excellent name with this move, and being > with the distro since it first came to life many moons ago, I never > thought I'd see the day where I would even *dream* about considering using > another flavour, but sadly RH have forced that into a reality, that unless > reversed, I feel will also see thousands more move away from the distro. I completely disagree. Before Fedora was announced, I was about to give up on Red Hat (after using 7.3, 8, and 9, every day, all day) and begin searching for a distribution with a better update system, more frequent updates, and more flexible software sources. I was starting to experiment with Knoppix and Gentoo. Red Hat 9 plus Ximian Desktop 2 plus FreshRPMs.net plus yum wasn't bad, but it was still too frustrating finding, adding, and updating all the extra software I wanted. But Fedora looks like it will be EXACTLY what I want: fast, frequent updates, lots of rapid bug fixing, and lots of easy-to-configure software sources. I also really appreciate the move to a community based approach, and am making much more of an effort to test the builds, and find and report bugs than I ever did for previous Red Hat releases. As soon as I have time I'll probably even start fixing bugs and submitting patches. I never did that for previous Red Hat relases. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Perhaps some people will switch away from Red Hat because of the changes to Fedora, but I'll bet that there will be a net INCREASE in users. Torrey -- Torrey Hoffman From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Nov 4 02:07:48 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:07:48 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> Message-ID: <3FA709F4.9020107@insight.rr.com> Gordon Messmer wrote: > Mark Hutchinson wrote: > >> >> The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they >> did it, but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying >> some not. > > > There seem to be a lot of people voicing the opinion that this is a move > to abandon the Free Software community. If they bothered to look into > the goals of Fedora Linux, they'd see that Red Hat is addressing the > things we've been asking them for over the last several years. > > They've created a brand that can be distributed freely. You couldn't do > that with Red Hat Linux. The name was trademarked, and that trademark > had to be defended. As a result, cheapbytes.com and others couldn't > sell discs branded Red Hat Linux. They'll be able to sell Fedora Core > discs. > > Red Hat has also opened up (or is in the process of doing so) > development to their community. Now the people who use the product will > also get their chance to contribute to the development process. This is > something that the Debian community has bragged about for years. Now > that it's a feature of Fedora Core, those same people are talking about > it as if it were a drawback. > > Red Hat hasn't abandoned Linux. They're giving it wings. Their > programmers who previously worked on Red Hat Linux and desktop > applications for the distribution will continue working on those > applications (if I understand correctly). The code will be included in > Fedora Core before it sees RH Enterprise. Fedora Core is not an > official Red Hat product, but it is funded by Red Hat, and that's > something that Debian lacks. > > This is the greatest that I have seen the Linux OS state. With the addition of having the ability to get programs from different select repos, it has really ballooned into a great OS. I agree with all the statements above. My only worries surround getting a hold of repos with questionable programs available. I think that some sort of security gaurdian might be a great idea to prevent snoops and malicious attacks on the more open - open source environment though. An implementation of this marvel might be tough to accomplish though. I feel things will keep progressing with this project. The split with rawhide compatibility, has me wondering though, about the departure from Red Hat Linux and the more fast paced Fedora project. Jim -- "One Architecture, One OS" also translates as "One Egg, One Basket". From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Tue Nov 4 02:31:01 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 03:31:01 +0100 Subject: fedora In-Reply-To: <000301c3a274$c3084130$3050b880@cm.deakin.edu.au> References: <000301c3a274$c3084130$3050b880@cm.deakin.edu.au> Message-ID: <1067913060.24475.0.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Di, den 04.11.2003 schrieb Dominic Sgro um 02:41: > Does anyone know what the problem is with: > > http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html > > I haven't been able to get any response over the last two > days.............. Does work here without any prob. Perhaps a prob with a firewall on your part? P.B. From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 02:35:59 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:35:59 -0600 Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> Message-ID: <1067913359.12748.32.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:22, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Oscar A. Valdez wrote: > > >In the future, will Rawhide be "compatible" with current Fedora > >releases? > > Simple answer: No. > > Longer answer: Rawhide is a public snapshot of the constantly > moving and changing internal software builds at Red Hat of what > will eventually become the next OS release. It has always been > this, and current plans are to continue this. At some point in > time changes will start getting into the tree which are no doubt > incompatible with Fedora Core 1. That will be very intentional. > Not intentional in the sense of "break compatibility" but > intentional as in "proceed with development". Some of these > incompatibilities of course will be temporary and randomly coming > and going, whereas others will be permanent due to new technology > inclusion, packaging incompatibilities and many other factors. > > Of course, wherever possible, we try to avoid unnecessary > incompatibilites, but that isn't always possible either. > During Fedora Test, rawhide has been used in a slightly new fashion to provide updates for testing via a channel in up2date. This has probably created an anticipation that updates will continue to be supplied in this way. What do we switch to for update channels once Fedora Core 1 is released? I will probably answer the question myself by noting that the most recent updates have changed the up2date channel designation to two channels called "fedora-core-1" and "updates-released." Will these channels now have a distinct set of updates different from rawhide? Thanks. Gerry From mickg at deakin.edu.au Tue Nov 4 02:40:20 2003 From: mickg at deakin.edu.au (Dominic Sgro) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:40:20 +1100 Subject: fedora In-Reply-To: <1067913060.24475.0.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <000701c3a27c$fd8e1f20$3050b880@cm.deakin.edu.au> Excellent thanks for the response...................... Dominic -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boy Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:31 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: fedora Am Di, den 04.11.2003 schrieb Dominic Sgro um 02:41: > Does anyone know what the problem is with: > > http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html > > I haven't been able to get any response over the last two > days.............. Does work here without any prob. Perhaps a prob with a firewall on your part? P.B. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 02:43:18 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:43:18 -0600 Subject: fedora In-Reply-To: <000301c3a274$c3084130$3050b880@cm.deakin.edu.au> References: <000301c3a274$c3084130$3050b880@cm.deakin.edu.au> Message-ID: <1067913797.12748.39.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:41, Dominic Sgro wrote: > Does anyone know what the problem is with: > > http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html > > I haven't been able to get any response over the last two > days.............. Works for me. Gerry From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 02:47:56 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:47:56 -0500 Subject: Mouse redetected In-Reply-To: <1067896226.7199.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200311031201.MAA14124@tigress.pgs.com> <1067896226.7199.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200311032147.56262.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 3, 2003 04:50 pm, Albert DE WINT , > wrote: > Kudzu has always behaved rather tricky on my system. It ask for > removal/installation of my printer Epson C82 after each and every boot, > regardless of any answer I gave it on former occasions. I've seen this happen quite often with Fedora... but I didn't think of reporting it as a bug ... have you done so? Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From notting at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 02:58:23 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:58:23 -0500 Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1067913359.12748.32.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net>; from gstool@earthlink.net on Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:35:59PM -0600 References: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> <1067913359.12748.32.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031103215823.A24929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gerry Tool (gstool at earthlink.net) said: > During Fedora Test, rawhide has been used in a slightly new fashion to > provide updates for testing via a channel in up2date. This has probably > created an anticipation that updates will continue to be supplied in > this way. What do we switch to for update channels once Fedora Core 1 > is released? > > I will probably answer the question myself by noting that the most > recent updates have changed the up2date channel designation to two > channels called "fedora-core-1" and "updates-released." Will these > channels now have a distinct set of updates different from rawhide? Correct. fedora-core-1 is the base OS, and updates-released is, well, updates. Bill From fedora-list at planetmirror.com Tue Nov 4 03:16:15 2003 From: fedora-list at planetmirror.com (Dan Goodes) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:16:15 +1000 (EST) Subject: username/password for up2date In-Reply-To: <200311040704.09074.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: Two things here... On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 4 Nov 2003 4:46 am, Stephen Moore wrote: > > is it possible to use a username and password with up2date? > > > > apt allows it > > > > http://user:passwd at premium-download.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhi > >de/ > > > > up2date spits out a lot of python errors when i try this I raised this with the yum developers and they have put username/password support in yum - I was hoping that up3date would carry these changes through, but evidentally it doesnt. The specific errors Stephen is talkin about, up2date bawks at the ':', saying "passwd at premium-download.planetmirror.com" is not a valid port number. If you try FTP, it said that it can't find the host "user". > As much as i love and use planetmirror i have found that they are about 2-3 > days behind on keeping rawhide synced. i initially was using planetmirror > and found people in the list were refering to packages that are unavaliable > to me yet. We have a regular update process that runs daily to fetch updates from rawhide. We are considering running it twice daily, depending on demand. When the rawhide server was re-organised recently, we temporarily stopped our regular update (so that, if there were considerable problems, we wouldn't destroy our local copy of the rawhide stuff). We recently re-activated that, and it all seems to be up-to-date from our point of view. -- Regards, Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Nov 4 03:24:46 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:24:46 +0900 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <002801c3a273$f2480210$fa00000a@jef> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <002801c3a273$f2480210$fa00000a@jef> Message-ID: <3FA71BFE.8000801@tuins.ac.jp> > > >They've created a brand that can be distributed freely. You couldn't do >that with Red Hat Linux. The name was trademarked, and that trademark >had to be defended. As a result, cheapbytes.com and others couldn't >sell discs branded Red Hat Linux. They'll be able to sell Fedora Core >discs. > >Fedora is also a trademark of RedHat > >See for details: >http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/guidelines/ > True, but according to the Q&As, Cheapbytes will be able to sell Fedora disks, which is something they couldn't do with RH - Pink Tie Linux 9.0 was what they sold instead. "Fedora Core releases will be available as ISO images for both CDs and DVDs, and will also be available through other channels such as third-party online sales of physical media. . ." http://fedora.redhat.com/about/faq/ rg From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Nov 4 02:05:21 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:05:21 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <1067911521.3883.37.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 09:57, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > A bit of a rant, but some serious point on Fedora. > Rant over. > > Gus .:\:/:. +-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:. | PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=: | | '=(\ 9 9 /)=' | Thank you, | ( (_) ) | Management | /`-vvv-'\ +-------------------+ / \ | | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \ | | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\ @x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW \||||/ | | \| __\,,\ /,,/__ \||/ | | | jgs (______Y______) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From dgenn at rogers.com Tue Nov 4 03:50:27 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:50:27 -0500 Subject: 3com 3c905x cards and Kudzu problems? Message-ID: <20031104035029.ONIZ159496.web01-imail.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Hi folks, I have had the same problem with my pci 3c905x card initializing with Fedora since beta2 and it still exists in the current beta. I have some pretty good basic hardware an ASUS P2B BX based mainboard and P3 500 with 396 MB ram etc. All supported hardware that worked like a charm with Redhat since release 7.0 to 9. What I found with Fedora was that the card did not initialize properly at boot therefore no IP. The problem is with Kudzu running at boot and this card initializing. If I turn off Kudzu at the boot run level (through chkconfig) and reboot the network card works like a charm and initializes. If I boot with Kudzu on then stop Kudzu and try restarting the network service eth0 still fails to initialize. I have to have Kudzu off during boot for the 3c905X to work. Very weird. Anyone know of a workaround or solution to this without turning Kudzu off? I am using kernel 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl. 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URL: From maxka at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 4 04:10:11 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:10:11 -0800 Subject: 3com 3c905x cards and Kudzu problems? In-Reply-To: <20031104035029.ONIZ159496.web01-imail.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031104035029.ONIZ159496.web01-imail.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <1067919011.4122.0.camel@max.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:50, DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > [3com 3c905 problem] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 -M From maxka at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 4 04:13:38 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:13:38 -0800 Subject: Concerns about RedHat's email Message-ID: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> There have been about three people tonight who have come into #fedora concerned about an email they got from RedHat. They have _all_ believed that up2date will no longer work in Fedora and that Fedora Core 1 (a) is unstable and (b) has fewer packages than RedHat 9. Perhaps some clarification is in order? -M From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 04:25:33 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:33 -0600 Subject: Crossover Office 2.0 not working on FCT3 In-Reply-To: <1067918179.12525.1.camel@strider.nyvisitek.com> References: <1067918179.12525.1.camel@strider.nyvisitek.com> Message-ID: <1067919932.5494.26.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:56, Pankaj Jain wrote: > Folks, > > I'm completely up2date with all the recent packages and once again, I > cannot start Quicken using CXOffice. My .xsession-errors file shows > the following error. Is this a kernel issue ( running 2115 right now > )? I'm not really sure where else to look so any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > /opt/cxoffice/bin/wineloader: could not load 'C:\Program > Files\Quicken\qw.exe' as Win32 binary I have CXOffice 2.1 running on a completely up2date FC3 using kernel 2115. I do not have Quicken installed, but am using Photoshop, Office XP and Access 2000. I did have a problem with an error associated with CXO running a security patch check (see archives), but otherwise it works. I modified a perl script to disable that check until Fedora Core 1 is released. I would pose your questions to the discuss at crossover.codeweavers.com mailing list which you can join at http://crossover.codeweavers.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss if you don't already belong. There is also an archive of the list there. Gerry From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 04:38:29 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:38:29 -0600 Subject: Concerns about RedHat's email In-Reply-To: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> References: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067920708.5494.36.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 22:13, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > There have been about three people tonight who have come into #fedora > concerned about an email they got from RedHat. > > They have _all_ believed that up2date will no longer work in Fedora and > that Fedora Core 1 (a) is unstable and (b) has fewer packages than > RedHat 9. > > Perhaps some clarification is in order? I got an e-mail also, but came to different conclusions. Up2date will certainly still work, but it's relationship to Red Hat Network may not be the same. I'm also confused whether an RHN subscription is of any use with Fedora, but have an e-mail off to Red Hat to clarify that since they seem to have automatically renewed my subscription and charged my credit card enabling the entitlement for another year. I don't know where the "fewer packages" idea came from. It could be that an initial install of Fedora Core might have fewer packages, but from everything I've seen, there should be _more_ packages available when the total integration of all the Fedora parts is achieved. I expect the base OS to have the same packages available as Red Hat Linux 9 except for the few that are dropped (some replaced by new ones) as detailed in the Fedora Release Notes available in rawhide. Some packages may have to be installed via up2date if they aren't selected by choices in Anaconda during install, but that should be very straight forward. The concerned people should take a close look at www.fedora.redhat.com. Gerry From anvil at livna.org Tue Nov 4 04:45:34 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 05:45:34 +0100 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FA709F4.9020107@insight.rr.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <3FA709F4.9020107@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067921134.6462.195.camel@gruyere> Try http://rpm.livna.org/ This repository is based upon fedora.us rules and packaging guidelines. It will (hopefully soon) be open to anybody wanting to provide good contribs. D Le mar 04/11/2003 ? 03:07, Jim Cornette a ?crit : > I agree with all the statements above. My only worries surround getting > a hold of repos with questionable programs available. -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 04:49:06 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0600 Subject: Concerns about RedHat's email In-Reply-To: <1067920708.5494.36.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> <1067920708.5494.36.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1067921346.5494.44.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 22:38, Gerry Tool wrote: > On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 22:13, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > > There have been about three people tonight who have come into #fedora > > concerned about an email they got from RedHat. > > > > They have _all_ believed that up2date will no longer work in Fedora and > > that Fedora Core 1 (a) is unstable I forgot to mention I've used Fedora Core in Test1,2,3 and it is a rock solid distro. I don't use my RHL9 install for anything anymore. > and (b) has fewer packages than > > RedHat 9. > > > > Perhaps some clarification is in order? > > I got an e-mail also, but came to different conclusions. > > Up2date will certainly still work, but it's relationship to Red Hat > Network may not be the same. I'm also confused whether an RHN > subscription is of any use with Fedora, but have an e-mail off to Red > Hat to clarify that since they seem to have automatically renewed my > subscription and charged my credit card enabling the entitlement for > another year. > > I don't know where the "fewer packages" idea came from. It could be > that an initial install of Fedora Core might have fewer packages, but > from everything I've seen, there should be _more_ packages available > when the total integration of all the Fedora parts is achieved. I > expect the base OS to have the same packages available as Red Hat Linux > 9 except for the few that are dropped (some replaced by new ones) as > detailed in the Fedora Release Notes available in rawhide. at ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RELEASE-NOTES.html for example. Gerry From mcolligan at ma.rr.com Tue Nov 4 04:59:51 2003 From: mcolligan at ma.rr.com (Michael Colligan) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:59:51 -0500 Subject: Concerns about RedHat's email In-Reply-To: <1067921346.5494.44.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> <1067920708.5494.36.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067921346.5494.44.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200311032359.51181.mcolligan@ma.rr.com> Sure, there will be plenty of packages and repositories but how well will they be coordinated? That's the problem I thought "fedora extras" was supposed to cure. "fedora extras" will not package a great number of packages people will want for licensing/export reason reasons. And many people prefer to roll their own anyways. Hence there will be other repositories as there has been (Dag AT, freshrpms, ...). The key is the coordination and elimination of the duplication of efforts across the repositories. No small feat. I'll just stick with my compiler and somewhat looser "packaging mangement system" but it would be a beautiful thing to see the repositories all work together. Sorry if I've missed some ongoing discussion about this on the mailing lists. -- Michael Colligan mcolligan at ma dot rr dot com From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 05:04:07 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:04:07 -0600 Subject: Concerns about RedHat's email In-Reply-To: <200311032359.51181.mcolligan@ma.rr.com> References: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> <1067920708.5494.36.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067921346.5494.44.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200311032359.51181.mcolligan@ma.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067922247.5494.46.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 22:59, Michael Colligan wrote: > Sure, there will be plenty of packages and repositories but how well will they > be coordinated? That's the problem I thought "fedora extras" was supposed to > cure. "fedora extras" will not package a great number of packages people > will want for licensing/export reason reasons. And many people prefer to > roll their own anyways. Hence there will be other repositories as there has > been (Dag AT, freshrpms, ...). The key is the coordination and elimination > of the duplication of efforts across the repositories. No small feat. Try looking at http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html Gerry From weslowsk at accesscomm.ca Tue Nov 4 05:44:35 2003 From: weslowsk at accesscomm.ca (Kevin Weslowski) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:44:35 -0600 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? Message-ID: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> Hi everyone, my apologies if I sound like a newbie...I just came from the RH 7.1 Seawolf mailing list. I found out today that my 7.1 and, I guess, all RHL is being discontinued and split into Enterprise and Fedora...so here I am...a little flustered, but here. Just a couple questions I have for this group...I am on a demo subscription for RHN for RH 7.1 Does Fedora maintain errata/updates in the same way (i.e. using up2date)? Do I keep my RHN subscription? The docs I've read haven't really been too clear about this... How different will using Fedora be from RH 7.1, from a server point of view? Thanks for your help, as I'm trying to decide which Linux platform to migrate to... Kevin From bryan at redfedora.co.uk Tue Nov 4 06:14:11 2003 From: bryan at redfedora.co.uk (bryan at redfedora.co.uk) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:14:11 -0000 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <06cb01c3a29a$dd7dd360$0301a8c0@BryanXP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Weslowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:44 AM Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? > How different will using Fedora be from RH 7.1, from a server point of view? > > Thanks for your help, as I'm trying to decide which Linux platform to migrate to... > I suppose it depends on how important the server is to you or your business. I'm in the same predicament but run redhat9 and have a tad longer to make my mind up than you do. I'm watching the developments and currently looking at fedora on some test machines. Work wise I'd say it will go down the redhat route for an easy life and probably consolidate some servers in the process. Home machines will always be fedora. Bryan From 1midniterider at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 06:29:27 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 04 Nov 2003 01:29:27 -0500 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <1067927366.24835.78.camel@tbird> You may want to begin your evaluation by visiting http://fedora.redhat.com, if you haven't already. There is alot of useful information posted on the site. Also, read the "release notes", it may answer some if not all of your questions. On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 00:44, Kevin Weslowski wrote: > Hi everyone, > > my apologies if I sound like a newbie...I just came from the RH 7.1 Seawolf mailing list. I found out today that my 7.1 and, I guess, all RHL is being discontinued and split into Enterprise and Fedora...so here I am...a little flustered, but here. > > Just a couple questions I have for this group...I am on a demo subscription for RHN for RH 7.1 > Does Fedora maintain errata/updates in the same way (i.e. using up2date)? Do I keep my RHN subscription? > The docs I've read haven't really been too clear about this... > How different will using Fedora be from RH 7.1, from a server point of view? > > Thanks for your help, as I'm trying to decide which Linux platform to migrate to... > > Kevin > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From patrickm at myway.com Tue Nov 4 06:59:11 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:59:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Release on monday? Message-ID: <20031104065911.1A00C3947@mprdmxin.myway.com> That's not what I meant. Check the release-schedule. All date so far are mondays. PatrickM --- On Mon 11/03, rg < grant at tuins.ac.jp > wrote: From: rg [mailto: grant at tuins.ac.jp] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:05:34 +0900 Subject: Re: Release on monday? >>According to the Fedora site, a new (test) release is scheduled on >>monday. Why? >Is this correct? A new 'test'? I didn't see any mention of a new 'test,' >just the a delay for the public non-test release. _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From patrickm at myway.com Tue Nov 4 07:07:33 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 02:07:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? Message-ID: <20031104070733.4CB6F3976@mprdmxin.myway.com> --- On Tue 11/04, Kevin Weslowski < weslowsk at accesscomm.ca > wrote:From: Kevin Weslowski [mailto: weslowsk at accesscomm.ca]To: fedora-test-list at redhat.comDate: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:44:35 -0600Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? >Hi everyone, > >Just a couple questions I have for this group...I am on a demo subscription >for RHN for RH 7.1 >Does Fedora maintain errata/updates in the same way (i.e. using up2date)? Do >I keep my RHN subscription? > >Kevin Interesting question!! PatrickM _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From lists at reforge.fi Tue Nov 4 07:47:12 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:47:12 +0200 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067911170.2341.65.camel@rivendell.arnor.net> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <1067911170.2341.65.camel@rivendell.arnor.net> Message-ID: <1067932032.4585.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Before Fedora was announced, I was about to give up on Red Hat (after > using 7.3, 8, and 9, every day, all day) and begin searching for a > ... > ... > making much more of an effort to test the builds, and find and report > bugs than I ever did for previous Red Hat releases. As soon as I have > time I'll probably even start fixing bugs and submitting patches. I > never did that for previous Red Hat relases. > > I'm sure I'm not the only one. Perhaps some people will switch away > from Red Hat because of the changes to Fedora, but I'll bet that there > will be a net INCREASE in users. Torrey, you're not the only one. I have exactly the same thoughts and experiences. In my opinion, Red Hat did an excellent move of reorganizing their software offerings and development into RHEL and Fedora. Fedora brings to community what many of us have been looking for: a distribution for "early adopters, enthusiasts and developers", as Fedora's web site says. Finally you can get all the latest and greatest for Red Hat based distribution effortlessly. If you are running a business, you'll be considering RHEL or Fedora, depending on your budget and in-house expertise. If you are a DIY-type Linux hacker, you'll go with Fedora (or with any other Linux distribution) in production environment. OTOH, if you need certified platform with vendor support, you'll choose RHEL. I just can't understand why some people have hard time comprehending that Red Hat is a company, which ultimate goal is to make money and create value to its shareholders. The only way to make money is to charge someone for something. In their case, it's RHEL subscription (plus training, professional services, et al.) and that keeps them in business. That'll help them to pay salaries for dozens of developers that work for Red Hat and produce Open Source software for RHEL, Fedora users and the whole OSS community. Quoting from redhat.com: "Balance means building a successful company without sacrificing customer trust. And creating shareholder value without severing our ties to the open source community." IMO, they have pretty well kept that balance. And if you're going to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. Some people will not like/tolerate Red Hat's move, but that's a small minority, IMHO. I'm more than happy to see Fedora being incubated by Red Hat. It's a community project, backed up by one of the largest Linux vendors, and that gives the project more leverage than anything else. All right, that's enough opinions for today. :) -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From paul at dishone.st Tue Nov 4 08:11:36 2003 From: paul at dishone.st (Paul Jakma) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RHEL 3.0 or Fedora for a 'production environment' ? In-Reply-To: References: <1067703185.1187.71.camel@wzowski> <3FA3E880.2050201@gmx.de> <1067707529.7542.16.camel@ripley> <200311010941.31891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: oh aye, one or two other general points worth considering: - From experience, I know it actually can be very hard, to get management to move on or assign any meaningful priority to taking out a support contract with RedHat, even if they do grok why it would be a good thing, (ie "even if we never use it, it helps towards ensuring that the company who provide us with and (some) of the people who are involved in developing the OS which the business runs on continues to exist/can continue to work on the OS. And if actually one day need it.."). So, to my mind, the Fedora/RHEL split should help towards getting those companies who see value in having support for their Linux dist actually paying for it (which is a good thing), as this makes it an actual tangible cost issue (ie cost of time vs RHEL, see below.). - RedHat actually will still be putting considerable engineering resources into Fedora, and you can still avail of the fruits of those resources for free, gratis, simply by using Fedora. However, if you need long-term security/bug fix support, you're going to have to do it yourself or find someone else who'll do it for you (for free that is). Which is a fair enough deal, RedHat do not /owe/ you long-term support :). Plus, the community hopefully will be involved aswell in providing resources for Fedora. - If your time is too valuable to spend on rebuilding SRPMs and possibly having to backport patches or else tracking Fedora releases and hence having to do the QA (both release itself and upgrade procedures), then you still have the option of paying RH to do this for you and provide longer-term supported releases :). How the 'cost of your time' vs 'cost of RHEL' balances out is a matter for yourself. As for the cost of RHEL, well, thats a matter for their S&M, but couple of hundred bucks for a workstation with office suite /with support/ isnt a bad deal really. I dont know, seems like a very fair deal to me, esp on the second point. RH did not /have to/ do that. But RH have, to my mind, a very good track record on balancing their own needs with those of the greater community, and this move, imo, continues that record. regards, -- Paul Jakma paul at clubi.ie paul at jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam at dishone.st Fortune: Can't open /usr/fortunes. Lid stuck on cookie jar. From warren at togami.com Tue Nov 4 08:13:55 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:13:55 -1000 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:44, Kevin Weslowski wrote: > Hi everyone, > > my apologies if I sound like a newbie...I just came from the RH 7.1 Seawolf mailing list. I found out today that my 7.1 and, I guess, all RHL is being discontinued and split into Enterprise and Fedora...so here I am...a little flustered, but here. > > Just a couple questions I have for this group...I am on a demo subscription for RHN for RH 7.1 > Does Fedora maintain errata/updates in the same way (i.e. using up2date)? Do I keep my RHN subscription? > The docs I've read haven't really been too clear about this... > How different will using Fedora be from RH 7.1, from a server point of view? up2date can now point to any official or 3rd party mirror that contains up2date, yum, or apt headers. You can optionally use yum or apt for package management. All mirrors that maintain themselves often will contain security updates during the release period. So the only real change is that you should probably manually find a fast fedora mirror near you and configure your up2date settings accordingly. This has the benefit that you never need to fill out the demo questionnaire form anymore. This also reduces the bandwidth burden on Red Hat, so all the freebie users no longer cost them money. (Wouldn't you rather see money go into engineering? =) https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list Red Hat will officially supply security errata for a release for only around 8-10 months now. In response to this, the community is starting an external repository called "Fedora Legacy" where you can set your up2date/apt/yum client to download security updates in the future. Fedora Legacy will use the same package submission and QA standards as the regular Fedora Core and Fedora Extras, except it will be on servers external to Red Hat. PogoLinux.com is donating a large amount of server hardware to run the Legacy project, and several smaller companies, Universities and individuals are teaming up in order to pool their skills into maintaining security updates for older distributions. Fedora Legacy will begin with RH7.3 as early as December, in order to be prepared for RH7.3 EOL. Warren From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Nov 4 08:32:19 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:32:19 +0900 Subject: Release on monday? In-Reply-To: <20031104065911.1A00C3947@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031104065911.1A00C3947@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <3FA76413.50300@tuins.ac.jp> > > >That's not what I meant. > >Check the release-schedule. All date so far are mondays. > >PatrickM > > Gotcha. Had me there scared for a minute. rg From rezso at rdsor.ro Tue Nov 4 09:46:44 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:46:44 +0200 Subject: Broken Fedora mozilla ppc packages (and the fix) In-Reply-To: <200311031401.49665.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1067864221.2839.41.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> <200311031401.49665.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200311041146.44811.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 00:01, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 03 November 2003 04:57, Joel Barrios wrote: > > Guess the PPC mozilla packages were built just doing rpmbuild > > --rebuild. So, > > has > > mozilla _PPC_ binary pacakges built with OPTFLAGS=-O2 and CXXFLAGS=-g > > (!?!). > > Here is the exact track of the bug (it is pretty complicated): http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11376 I figured out an patch but not tested yet wich touch inlinedGetFrameAt() in imgContainerGIF.ii as described in gcc bugzilla, it is (still compiling) hope will post it after it will work. Of course -O instead -O2 is simplest, debian people used too but to leave -O2 is finer at least ... ppc and sparc are afected using gcc-3.3. > > After removing these lines from the spec file, that really should > > consider other architectures, and doing rpmbuild -bb, I could > > successfully build mozilla packages that actually _work_ on PPC. > > I hope there is a bugzilla number on this one... If work i do bugzilla case (not sure someone done a case) and post solution too, hope will happen today if patch working. thanks, cristian From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Tue Nov 4 10:40:30 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:40:30 +0200 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067942430.10929.8.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:54, Don wrote: > Thanks for that info.... > Where I find newer ISOs are nice is in the event of a complete, clean, > reinstall.... > > Periodically I wipe the entire system, and if I can reinstall from ISO > images without then having to apply all sorts of updates... well, that just > seems "easier". :-) > > What I WOULD like is if the /home directory etc were all in a separate > partition so when I says "reformat" to do a clean install, all MY stuff is > not affected. Well... in order to do that... you should migrate all the user accounts first... it shouldn't be that hard... You have two options: 1) save /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/groups /etc/gshadow and after the reinstall replace them with the back-ups... That is not a solution actually because there you also have info for system services and others (e.g. apache)... And if you don't install apache also in the second install you might have a ^small^ but never-the-less possible security risk, or warnings in the logs such as /var/www does not exist... 2) create a small bash script which lists all the directories in /home and creates users with the uid accordingly to the ones of the directories 2bis) This is only a modification of the one above... create the script which creates the users and then runs chown user:group /home/$user for each entry... > There's probably ways to do that, I just want it to be "automatic" when > doing a "reformat this all automatically" for me... > > Don From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Nov 4 12:26:34 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:26:34 -0500 Subject: 3com 3c905x cards and Kudzu problems? In-Reply-To: <20031104035029.ONIZ159496.web01-imail.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031104035029.ONIZ159496.web01-imail.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <3FA79AFA.7070708@insight.rr.com> DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > I have had the same problem with my pci 3c905x card > initializing with Fedora since beta2 and it still exists in the current > beta. I have some pretty good basic hardware an ASUS P2B BX based > mainboard and P3 500 with 396 MB ram etc. All supported hardware that > worked like a charm with Redhat since release 7.0 to 9. Same card, but from 5.2 to 9, worked OK. What I found > with Fedora was that the card did not initialize properly at boot > therefore no IP. Mine cried check cable, it might be unplugged. The problem is with Kudzu running at boot and this card > initializing. If I turn off Kudzu at the boot run level (through > chkconfig) and reboot the network card works like a charm and > initializes. If I boot with Kudzu on then stop Kudzu and try restarting > the network service eth0 still fails to initialize. I have to have Kudzu > off during boot for the 3c905X to work. Very weird. Anyone know of a > workaround or solution to this without turning Kudzu off? I am using > kernel 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl. So kudzu is interferring with the NIC, even though kudzu would not change any configuration settings? If this is the case, no wonder the problem was so hard to remedy. Does kudzu do detection using IRQ 10, as the 3com NIC uses? My NIC that uses IRQ 11 and still a 3com doesn't have this problem. I swapped out the IRQ 10 (boomerang) until this problem can be resolved. Jim > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Dan > -- Someone is speaking well of you. How unusual! , From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Nov 4 08:36:36 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:36:36 -0400 Subject: Epiphany not called for secure links from Evolution Message-ID: <1067934995.23376.2.camel@zephyr> Hi All, When clicking on a non-secure link in Evolution, the link opens up in Epiphany, which is how I have things configured in gnome-default-applications-properties. However, when I click on a secure link (i.e., one starting with https://), Mozilla tries to start up. How should I file this bug (ie., against what component, and where -- Redhat or GNOME?) Ben -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 13:00:54 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:00:54 +0100 Subject: Mouse redetected In-Reply-To: <200311032147.56262.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311031201.MAA14124@tigress.pgs.com> <1067896226.7199.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311032147.56262.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067950853.9618.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> No I haven't. This is a rather old issue; I supposed it had been taken care of a long time ago. Hmm, so it hasn't. Besides, I could not imagine me being the only one who ever noticed about this very obvious bug. Albert > > Kudzu has always behaved rather tricky on my system. It ask for > > removal/installation of my printer Epson C82 after each and every boot, > > regardless of any answer I gave it on former occasions. > I've seen this happen quite often with Fedora... but I didn't think of > reporting it as a bug ... have you done so? > > Elton ;-) From weslowsk at accesscomm.ca Tue Nov 4 13:02:58 2003 From: weslowsk at accesscomm.ca (Kevin Weslowski) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:02:58 -0600 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <3FA7A382.5D4E254D@accesscomm.ca> thanks for the info, Warren. I didn't realize that up2date could now connect with a non-RHN site! My up2date is still 2.8.40, while I see from the package list @ Fedora the version is 4.1.5; obviously my man pages don't speak of configuring a non-RHN server...I guess I'll look into finding a mirror, once I decide to plunge into Fedora. I take it that 7.1 (or anything < 7.3) won't be part of the Fedora Legacy you mentioned? Kevin Warren Togami wrote: > On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:44, Kevin Weslowski wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > my apologies if I sound like a newbie...I just came from the RH 7.1 Seawolf mailing list. I found out today that my 7.1 and, I guess, all RHL is being discontinued and split into Enterprise and Fedora...so here I am...a little flustered, but here. > > > > Just a couple questions I have for this group...I am on a demo subscription for RHN for RH 7.1 > > Does Fedora maintain errata/updates in the same way (i.e. using up2date)? Do I keep my RHN subscription? > > The docs I've read haven't really been too clear about this... > > How different will using Fedora be from RH 7.1, from a server point of view? > > up2date can now point to any official or 3rd party mirror that contains > up2date, yum, or apt headers. You can optionally use yum or apt for > package management. All mirrors that maintain themselves often will > contain security updates during the release period. > > So the only real change is that you should probably manually find a fast > fedora mirror near you and configure your up2date settings accordingly. > This has the benefit that you never need to fill out the demo > questionnaire form anymore. This also reduces the bandwidth burden on > Red Hat, so all the freebie users no longer cost them money. > > (Wouldn't you rather see money go into engineering? =) > > https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > Red Hat will officially supply security errata for a release for only > around 8-10 months now. In response to this, the community is starting > an external repository called "Fedora Legacy" where you can set your > up2date/apt/yum client to download security updates in the future. > > Fedora Legacy will use the same package submission and QA standards as > the regular Fedora Core and Fedora Extras, except it will be on servers > external to Red Hat. PogoLinux.com is donating a large amount of server > hardware to run the Legacy project, and several smaller companies, > Universities and individuals are teaming up in order to pool their > skills into maintaining security updates for older distributions. > Fedora Legacy will begin with RH7.3 as early as December, in order to be > prepared for RH7.3 EOL. > > Warren > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Tue Nov 4 13:08:54 2003 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:08:54 +0000 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> Message-ID: <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 01:08, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did > > it, but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some > > not. > > There seem to be a lot of people voicing the opinion that this is a move > to abandon the Free Software community. That didn't seem to be what the poster was saying. He was expressing the view -- which I share -- was that the development may be bad _for RedHat_. To me, the RH/Fedora thing is just very confusing, and I don't want to spend a lot of time thinking (or reading) about it. I'm actually running Fedora on one desktop, and RH-9.0 on another, and both are running perfectly. But I knew exactly where I was with RH-6-7-8-9, and I don't feel I know exactly where I am with Fedora. Like many others, I am occasionally asked about commercial installations, and I've always recommended RedHat. I probably still will do so, but not with the same enthusiasm. So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From scott at eardown.com Tue Nov 4 13:30:03 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:30:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <14253.66.167.157.242.1067952603.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > On Tuesday 04 November 2003 01:08, Gordon Messmer wrote: > >> > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they >> did >> > it, but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some >> > not. >> >> There seem to be a lot of people voicing the opinion that this is a move >> to abandon the Free Software community. > > That didn't seem to be what the poster was saying. > He was expressing the view -- which I share -- > was that the development may be bad _for RedHat_. > > To me, the RH/Fedora thing is just very confusing, > and I don't want to spend a lot of time thinking (or reading) about it. > > I'm actually running Fedora on one desktop, and RH-9.0 on another, > and both are running perfectly. > But I knew exactly where I was with RH-6-7-8-9, > and I don't feel I know exactly where I am with Fedora. > > Like many others, I am occasionally asked about commercial installations, > and I've always recommended RedHat. > I probably still will do so, but not with the same enthusiasm. > > So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. > > -- > Timothy Murphy > e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie > tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 > s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I see your point. But to me...it just seems that (obviously) RedHat is focusing more on the enterprise now, and with moving the free RedHat distro to Fedora, I see Fedora as being and possibly having the same and more functionality as RedHat 6-7-8-9 did...(without the commercial support, though). From david.balazic at hermes.si Tue Nov 4 13:44:26 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:44:26 +0100 Subject: UT2k3 freezes on FCT3 Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03CE@piramida.hermes.si> Unreal Tournament 2003 ( latest linux patch ) hangs when starting the game. The picture after the nVidia logo is very distorted. Some random triangles flying around instead of that guy shooting. gfx card is radeon 8500LE 64 MB. Anyone else noticed a similar problem ? What should I do ? Everything is standard FCT3 stuff, I only changed some XF86Config settings for the radeon ( set AGP to 4x and similar ). I will try again with a 100% clean install with no tweakings by me. Regards, David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- David Balazic mailto:david.balazic at hermes.si HERMES Softlab http://www.hermes-softlab.com Zolajeva 30 Phone: +386 2 450 8851 SI-2000 Maribor Slovenija ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- "Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq. & "Ted" Theodore Logan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- From david.balazic at hermes.si Tue Nov 4 13:49:03 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:49:03 +0100 Subject: UT2k3 freezes on FCT3 Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03CF@piramida.hermes.si> > From: David Balazic[SMTP:david.balazic at hermes.si] > > > Unreal Tournament 2003 ( latest linux patch ) hangs when starting the > game. > The picture after the nVidia logo is very distorted. Some random triangles > flying > around instead of that guy shooting. > Maybe this is not clear enough. I get curruption on that nVidia intro and when I select an actual match in the game menu , then it hangs. > gfx card is radeon 8500LE 64 MB. > > Anyone else noticed a similar problem ? > What should I do ? > > Everything is standard FCT3 stuff, I only changed some XF86Config settings > for the radeon ( set AGP to 4x and similar ). > I will try again with a 100% clean install with no tweakings by me. > > Regards, > David > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----------- > David Balazic mailto:david.balazic at hermes.si > HERMES Softlab http://www.hermes-softlab.com > Zolajeva 30 Phone: +386 2 450 8851 > SI-2000 Maribor > Slovenija > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----------- > "Be excellent to each other." - > Bill S. Preston, Esq. & "Ted" Theodore Logan > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----------- > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From al at casa.org.ro Tue Nov 4 13:49:22 2003 From: al at casa.org.ro (Alin Osan) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:49:22 +0200 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <200311041549.22396.al@casa.org.ro> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 15:08, Timothy Murphy wrote: > That didn't seem to be what the poster was saying. > He was expressing the view -- which I share -- > was that the development may be bad _for RedHat_. I see no argument in favor of that. RH will concentrate on the features that makes RH Linux a viable solution for enterprises. As an IT manager I'd be happy to have a linux kernel that is tested by millions of linux users and has comercial support. > To me, the RH/Fedora thing is just very confusing, > and I don't want to spend a lot of time thinking (or reading) about it. Sorry, no one can help you with that... > I'm actually running Fedora on one desktop, and RH-9.0 on another, > and both are running perfectly. > But I knew exactly where I was with RH-6-7-8-9, > and I don't feel I know exactly where I am with Fedora. Changes can be disturbing ... but they are the key for progress. > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. I would be happy to hear some arguments. -- -- We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Alin Osan || Network Administrator @ "Fundatia Casa" http://www.casa.org.ro From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Tue Nov 4 14:10:50 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:10:50 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora Message-ID: <1067955049.2564.9.camel@Darkstar> Subject: Re: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora From: Maxwell Kanat-Alexander To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Organization: Platinum Computer Solutions Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:55:48 -0800 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 06:57, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > What is the delay due to on the release? > [snip] > This may have been posted before, but I missed it. It was posted a few days ago, by Michael K. Johnson. It was posted again today, too, I think, in another thread. I am chuckling a bit over here -- Fedora's beating the h*ll out of certain _other_ products as far as, um _release delay_ goes. -M I agree. Look at Microsoft (maybe I shouldn't have mentioned them here but heck) they delay and delay and after about 6 months they release it but still full of bugs. Look at the lawsuits Microsoft has to deal with because of all the the bugs in their OS. I'd rather wait the few extra days to be sure that everything is fixed that can be fixed. I am happy with the way things are going with Fedora. Who needs support. If I can't fix it nobody can. If you need help with anything there is always the IRC chat for Fedora. Mike From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Tue Nov 4 14:13:27 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:13:27 -0600 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? Message-ID: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire Leading Enterprise Linux Technology Company SUSE LINUX http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html Keep in mind that this follows Novell's acquisition of Ximian....The consolidation of the commercially viable Linux market continues.... Any care to speculate on who will acquire Mandrake and when? Marc From akillian at footlocker.com Tue Nov 4 14:31:12 2003 From: akillian at footlocker.com (Adam Killian) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:31:12 -0500 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> Warren Togami wrote: >up2date, yum, or apt headers. You can optionally use yum or apt for >package management. All mirrors that maintain themselves often will >contain security updates during the release period. > >So the only real change is that you should probably manually find a fast >fedora mirror near you and configure your up2date settings accordingly. >This has the benefit that you never need to fill out the demo >questionnaire form anymore. This also reduces the bandwidth burden on >Red Hat, so all the freebie users no longer cost them money. > > > So, there will not be a Fedora Channel on RHN? Am I understanding this correctly? If this is the case, why does Fedora include rhn_applet and rhn_register? As a *paying* RHN subscriber, I use RHN to manage my shrike boxes. Do I lose this ability when I upgrade to fedora? Am I missing something? Adam From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 14:47:33 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:47:33 +0100 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1067957253.9618.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > There seem to be a lot of people voicing the opinion that this is a move > > to abandon the Free Software community. On the contrary, the Freed Software Community will benefit (a lot). > > That didn't seem to be what the poster was saying. > He was expressing the view -- which I share -- > was that the development may be bad _for RedHat_. > > To me, the RH/Fedora thing is just very confusing, > and I don't want to spend a lot of time thinking (or reading) about it. I have been reading about it. I surely clarifies the situation. > > I'm actually running Fedora on one desktop, and RH-9.0 on another, > and both are running perfectly. > But I knew exactly where I was with RH-6-7-8-9, > and I don't feel I know exactly where I am with Fedora. You will; just read about it ;-) > > Like many others, I am occasionally asked about commercial installations, > and I've always recommended RedHat. > I probably still will do so, but not with the same enthusiasm. You may need some time to feel confy about it. > > So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. They made a wise decision. RH heavily is supporting Fedora. From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 14:53:33 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:53:33 -0500 Subject: TUX on test 3 In-Reply-To: <00d601c3a222$fefc20f0$1400a8c0@dima>; from dima@mailvision.net on Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200 References: <00d601c3a222$fefc20f0$1400a8c0@dima> Message-ID: <20031104095333.A31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Sorry, that is one of those things that takes significant work to maintain as a patch and so was dropped from the Fedora Core kernel as an initial step toward our goal of being as close to upstream as possible. Our current goal is to prepare tux for potential inclusion in the 2.7 kernel development stream. (We meant to earlier but a few important things like the O(1) scheduler, NPTL, and the 4g/4g split got in the way...) On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Dima Gutzeit wrote: > TUX protocol version mismatch, kernel 2 != daemon 3 An unimplemented TUX interface version call implies either kernel protocol version 2 or TUX not implemented. kernel protocol version 3 was the first to introduce the kernel protocol version. kernel protocol version 1 was only used in testing. kernel protocol version 3 was introduced to support biarch architectures, fwiw. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 4 14:56:45 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 04 Nov 2003 09:56:45 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067911170.2341.65.camel@rivendell.arnor.net> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <1067911170.2341.65.camel@rivendell.arnor.net> Message-ID: <1067957805.25019.12.camel@london.east.gov> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 20:59, Torrey Hoffman wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > [...] > > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. > [...] > > > WELL SAID! > > > RH have damaged there excellent name with this move, and being > > with the distro since it first came to life many moons ago, I never > > thought I'd see the day where I would even *dream* about considering using > > another flavour, but sadly RH have forced that into a reality, that unless > > reversed, I feel will also see thousands more move away from the distro. > > I completely disagree. As do I. I've been using Linux since late 1996/early 1997, and we use a lot of Red Hat at my office -- probably somewhere in the vicinity of 200 boxes total. Some of it is 7.x on Alphas, some of it 7.3, 8.0 or 9 on x86. We are moving our workstations to Fedora Core soon after the "gold" release. Because of the tremendous effort and thoughtful planning that Red Hat (and others) put into the Fedora project before backing it, this distribution is likely to become everything that United Linux could have been but didn't... community-driven, open-ended, freely available and guided by true experts who are not trying to just drop by and cash in on the Linux hype. (*cough*Caldera*cough*) The changes that have already been made (such as to up2date) are going to make it even easier for me to maintain all my systems at home and work, *without* having to rely on paying Red Hat for their Red Hat Network offering. And they didn't have to do that, but they *did* -- simply because they have a LONG history of Doing The Right Thing. I think Fedora is fantastic, fecund, fabulous and forward-thinking. I'm looking forward to the next ten years of Red Hat's work in the Linux field, and can't wait for the opportunity to participate a little more in the process. -- Paul W. Frields From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 15:00:52 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:00:52 +0100 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op di 04-11-2003, om 15:13 schreef Marc Schwartz: > Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire Leading Enterprise Linux > Technology Company SUSE LINUX > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html > > Keep in mind that this follows Novell's acquisition of Ximian....The > consolidation of the commercially viable Linux market continues.... > > Any care to speculate on who will acquire Mandrake and when? You have a point. Given the financial situation of Mandrake, I suppose they must be dying to sell. Maybe, one day some Linux distro will be accused of creating a monopoly ;-) (D?j? vu?) > > Marc > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From erik.orebro at telia.com Tue Nov 4 15:06:30 2003 From: erik.orebro at telia.com (Erik Englund) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:06:30 +0100 Subject: tcl/tk Message-ID: <1067958390.31517.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Why don't you use 8.4 instead of 8.3? Erik From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 4 15:08:44 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 04 Nov 2003 10:08:44 -0500 Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031103215823.A24929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> <1067913359.12748.32.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <20031103215823.A24929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067958524.25019.16.camel@london.east.gov> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:58, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Gerry Tool (gstool at earthlink.net) said: > > During Fedora Test, rawhide has been used in a slightly new fashion to > > provide updates for testing via a channel in up2date. This has probably > > created an anticipation that updates will continue to be supplied in > > this way. What do we switch to for update channels once Fedora Core 1 > > is released? > > > > I will probably answer the question myself by noting that the most > > recent updates have changed the up2date channel designation to two > > channels called "fedora-core-1" and "updates-released." Will these > > channels now have a distinct set of updates different from rawhide? > > Correct. > > fedora-core-1 is the base OS, and updates-released is, well, updates. It would probably not be far off the mark, then, to expect that when FC2-test1 is ready, there will be a downloadable distro (ISO, Fedora tree) to try, which would be updated by the testers from Rawhide, until testing is complete and FC2 goes gold. In other words, pretty much what has happened during the FC1 test period. Correct? -- Paul W. Frields From notting at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 15:14:30 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:14:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1067958524.25019.16.camel@london.east.gov>; from paul@frields.com on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:08:44AM -0500 References: <1067902359.1272.45.camel@wzowski> <1067913359.12748.32.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <20031103215823.A24929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067958524.25019.16.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <20031104101430.D30221@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Paul W. Frields (paul at frields.com) said: > It would probably not be far off the mark, then, to expect that when > FC2-test1 is ready, there will be a downloadable distro (ISO, Fedora > tree) to try, which would be updated by the testers from Rawhide, until > testing is complete and FC2 goes gold. In other words, pretty much what > has happened during the FC1 test period. Correct? Basically, yes. rawhide will be the update channel for test releases, unless we come up with something better. Bill From damocles at thenostromo.com Tue Nov 4 15:23:29 2003 From: damocles at thenostromo.com (Randy Vice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:23:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <200311041308.54358.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Tuesday 04 November 2003 01:08, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > > > The move to fedora was a mistake for RedHat. I understand why they did > > > it, but they went too far and discarded loyal users ( some paying some > > > not. > > > > There seem to be a lot of people voicing the opinion that this is a move > > to abandon the Free Software community. > > That didn't seem to be what the poster was saying. > He was expressing the view -- which I share -- > was that the development may be bad _for RedHat_. > > To me, the RH/Fedora thing is just very confusing, > and I don't want to spend a lot of time thinking (or reading) about it. Agreed, and most of the nonprofessional sysadmins are probably in the same boat. I can only assume, for those of us in that boat, they are guessing that we either go with Enterpise or be happy with Fedora. > > I'm actually running Fedora on one desktop, and RH-9.0 on another, > and both are running perfectly. > But I knew exactly where I was with RH-6-7-8-9, > and I don't feel I know exactly where I am with Fedora. Agreed, if I have to go partial cold turkey, I may as well look outside the RH umbrella entirely. > Like many others, I am occasionally asked about commercial installations, > and I've always recommended RedHat. > I probably still will do so, but not with the same enthusiasm. If you don't use RH enterpise at home nor at work, how could you recommend it to anyone? > So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. Agreed, and poor timing as well now that Novell/Ximian is buying out SuSE. I'll DL Fedora when it's released, but I'm keeping a sharp on Novell's Linux distro, they may be wanting to pick up those of us who don't fit in RH's new scheme. Guess the next six months will be an interesting time to see where the chips fall. Randy -- : damocles at TheNostromo.com : Bruce Morrow, a man before and after his time : : "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood : : of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 11-13-1787 "Let's roll." : : Todd Beamer, American Patriot onboard United Airlines Flight 93 9-11-01 : : damocles at thenostromo.com http://www.thenostromo.com/ : From update at alexevon.org Tue Nov 4 15:24:49 2003 From: update at alexevon.org (Alex F. Evonosky) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:24:49 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] Message-ID: <3FA7C4C1.8080308@alexevon.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello. As I am a new list member on this list, I apologize if this question has been asked. How is the upgrade to Fedora been using RH9? Was the upgrade pretty seamless or did it requite a full reformat and re-install? As a long follower of RH since '95, this is a question I was trying to understand. Thank You. AE - -- Alex F. Evonosky Adelphia Communications (Southeast Region) Data Engineering 678.513.9738 (o) / 678.523.8026 (m) IM=alexfevonosky -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/p8TBi6NlI+CoSzsRAi4IAJ9cHw2l45JvSWv/UhK3/wMx5lqYgACfdXCv T4ElBJxvrgsIVHh9N3KZnWY= =mpWL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 15:27:12 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:27:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> Message-ID: <4535.12.29.16.103.1067959632.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Adam Killian said: > So, there will not be a Fedora Channel on RHN? > Am I understanding this correctly? > If this is the case, why does Fedora include rhn_applet and rhn_register? I know I've sent this before, check the archives. rhn_applet works with yum repositories. Why remove rhn_register when the rest of the rhn_* programs will still work. -- William Hooper From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 15:31:56 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:31:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031104101430.D30221@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Basically, yes. rawhide will be the update channel for test releases, > unless we come up with something better. But if we have a FC1T3 machine we are budating from rawhide now, and then we want to stick with FC1 final, we can change the channel name to "Fedora-core-1" some time soon? (I immagine this as I am using debian testing and it's just gone stable, and I want to stay on that release, to get bug fixes, etc., I would change from "testing" to "Sid" (or whatever)). -- noah silva From notting at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 15:40:14 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:40:14 -0500 Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:31:56AM -0500 References: <20031104101430.D30221@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031104104009.A23843@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] (nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com) said: > > Basically, yes. rawhide will be the update channel for test releases, > > unless we come up with something better. > > But if we have a FC1T3 machine we are budating from rawhide now, and then > we want to stick with FC1 final, we can change the channel name to > "Fedora-core-1" some time soon? See the sources files shipped with current up2date, or the yum.conf in current yum. Bill From martin at wolkje.net Tue Nov 4 15:39:53 2003 From: martin at wolkje.net (Martin Sturm) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:39:53 +0100 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op di 04-11-2003, om 16:00 schreef Albert DE WINT: > Op di 04-11-2003, om 15:13 schreef Marc Schwartz: > > Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire Leading Enterprise Linux > > Technology Company SUSE LINUX > > > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html > > > > Keep in mind that this follows Novell's acquisition of Ximian....The > > consolidation of the commercially viable Linux market continues.... > > > > Any care to speculate on who will acquire Mandrake and when? > > You have a point. Given the financial situation of Mandrake, I suppose > they must be dying to sell. > > Maybe, one day some Linux distro will be accused of creating a monopoly > ;-) > > (D??j?? vu?) I prefer a Linux distribution owning a monopoly on the operation system market over Microsoft. A Linux-distro, at least most parts of it, are fully open-source, so it is easy to use an alternative-distro or operation system because standards, fileformats etc. are open. More interesting: Will Ximian still be available for Red Hat base operating systems? Ximian Desktop was already available for SuSE, but i can imagen that Ximian will stop supporting Red Hat. Martin > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From thompsma at colorado.edu Tue Nov 4 15:41:52 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:41:52 -0700 Subject: Epiphany not called for secure links from Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067934995.23376.2.camel@zephyr> References: <1067934995.23376.2.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <1067960512.17249.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 01:36, Ben Steeves wrote: > Hi All, > > When clicking on a non-secure link in Evolution, the link opens up in > Epiphany, which is how I have things configured in > gnome-default-applications-properties. However, when I click on a > secure link (i.e., one starting with https://), Mozilla tries to start > up. > > How should I file this bug (ie., against what component, and where -- > Redhat or GNOME?) Have you tried adding/editing the service in gnome-file-types-properties? I had to add one once Gnome 2.4 came. I added an https service and have galeon -n --noraise "%s" as my program. Maybe mozilla is associated with the service on your box? -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 15:42:47 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:42:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- > > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. > > Agreed, and poor timing as well now that Novell/Ximian is buying out SuSE. > I'll DL Fedora when it's released, but I'm keeping a sharp on Novell's > Linux distro, they may be wanting to pick up those of us who don't fit in > RH's new scheme. Guess the next six months will be an interesting time to > see where the chips fall. I think the whole Novell thing will be interesting as well, but there will be room for two big distros I think. More about Fedora though, think about this: a.) Linux consumers don't, as a majority *like* caldera and Suse's approach, to force you to pay for "free" software. We want the companies to make money, and many of us choose to buy things like StarOffice, but we like knowing at least we -could- have it for free. The home users are less lucrative, more picky, and more difficult to support. The server market has compatible hardware, easier, more tested desires under unix in general, and deeper pockets. Something like RHEL is actually best for the enterprise. It doesn't matter if a web server had the latest gone, or even apache, it matters that it work reliably for 24 hours a day. For home users though, even many non-technical ones, they want to try the latest gadgets. They want iTunes to work, and their iPod, and their lexmark printer, and their Cannon scanner. It all should work, and magically.. even without the manufacturer's support. Worse yet, they (we) don't like when we hear about some new piece of software, like mozilla 1.5 or gnome 2.6, and we can't easily install and try it. Look at the advantages of redhat and mandrake for home users: a. easy to install b. easy to set up c. a lot of things "just work", very polished. d. Well supported by closed source plug-ins, etc. e. often gets the newest features. But then look at the advantages of debian: a. MANY MANY more packages available, from large to small. b. MUCH better dependancy handling, and simplified installation. c. Community support. d. you can stay on a continuously updated release. Redhat is just seeking to combine these, and I think it's great. Before, if you wanted to install something not "in" redhat, like say.. Zapping (a tv viewer), you had to go find an RPM, and that RPM might have pulled in 5 dependancies.. and those packages might have been the same as other RPMs that were named differently, needed by something else, and conflicted. Redhat obviously needed to increase the width of their home offering... but to officially support even more packages, to spend more time and energy (and money), for the users who they don't make any money off of? What do you realistically think the alternative to FC was? I think it's one you would like a lot less! -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 15:50:25 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:50:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ximian on Redhat? In-Reply-To: <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > I prefer a Linux distribution owning a monopoly on the operation system > market over Microsoft. A Linux-distro, at least most parts of it, are > fully open-source, so it is easy to use an alternative-distro or > operation system because standards, fileformats etc. are open. > > More interesting: Will Ximian still be available for Red Hat base > operating systems? Ximian Desktop was already available for SuSE, but i > can imagen that Ximian will stop supporting Red Hat. I would almost be willing to bet on this. It's sad because I really LIKE XD, and I think red-carpet is superior to RHN/YUM... (Especially the UI.. why didn't redhat take that and run??) But think about it: at least people on this list haven't been so enthusiastic about XD. I get the feeling from redhat personnel, both on this list, and having met some in person, that Ximian is a headache for them. With the latest XD going so far as to actually change libc, and other low level libs, I can't blame them! Supporting all those distros must be a hassle for Ximian too, but they had to before. But: As with all open-source, redhat is free to take what Ximian does.. (like how openoffice now sort-of uses the gnome themes). If anything, I don't think the distros steal _enough_ from each other. For example, Suse and the others really should just have taken redhat's "config-user" app. Yes, it may be copying, and they may want to do something original, but for a user who has 10 ways to add a user on 10 different distros... not so happy. (And I really wish redhat would put the gnome style toolbar icons for OOo from Ximian into the Fedora OOo RPM). I think though, that this is getting off topic somewhere along the line. thanks, noah silva From tom.georgoulias at motorola.com Tue Nov 4 15:52:28 2003 From: tom.georgoulias at motorola.com (Tom Georgoulias) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:52:28 -0600 Subject: OT: DMA troubles with Via KT600 chipset & hitachi hard drive Message-ID: <3FA7CB3C.6070203@motorola.com> Last night I was helping a friend get a new system set up with Red Hat Linux 9 and noticed a problem that I was wondering if Fedora Core 1 will resolve. It seems kinda pointless to download fc1 test 3 and try it at this moment in time, when the general release is just around the corner and we're very likely to migrate to that. So I thought I'd ask for advice first. While copying some RPMs from a CD to the hard drive, I noticed the copy took a really long time and ran "hdparm -Tt /dev/hda" to see what the transfer speeds were. The buffered disk reads were somewhere in the neighborhood of 7MB/s, which lead me to believe DMA wasn't on. hdparm and dmesg confirmed that. I tried turning DMA on with hdparm to do some more testing, but I got the error: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted We're running the latest RHL9 kernel, 2.4.20-20.9, a Hitachi 60GXP Deskstar drive, and using ATA-133 compatible cabling. My suspicion is the motherboard, a Gigabyte 7VT600-L based on the Via KT600. I'm not sure if the kernel we are using has support for a motherboard this new. Searching Google produced quite a few hits, but most were pretty old and all seemed to suggest that IDE driver support was lacking in those instances. So my question is, will the new Fedora Core 1 kernel have the support we need to get DMA working on this setup? Thanks, Tom -- Tom Georgoulias POPI Classification [x] General Business Information [] Motorola Internal Use [] Motorola Confidential Proprietary From damocles at thenostromo.com Tue Nov 4 15:52:47 2003 From: damocles at thenostromo.com (Randy Vice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:52:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Martin Sturm wrote: > I prefer a Linux distribution owning a monopoly on the operation system > market over Microsoft. A Linux-distro, at least most parts of it, are > fully open-source, so it is easy to use an alternative-distro or > operation system because standards, fileformats etc. are open. > > More interesting: Will Ximian still be available for Red Hat base > operating systems? Ximian Desktop was already available for SuSE, but i > can imagen that Ximian will stop supporting Red Hat. Since we are facing a split between Fedora and RH Enterpise, it wouldn't suprise me if they dropped RH Linux. If they are smart, they would support Fedora. Always keep a open hand towards customers of other venders. -- : damocles at TheNostromo.com : Bruce Morrow, a man before and after his time : : "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood : : of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 11-13-1787 "Let's roll." : : Todd Beamer, American Patriot onboard United Airlines Flight 93 9-11-01 : : damocles at thenostromo.com http://www.thenostromo.com/ : From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 15:53:51 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:53:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora and Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031104104009.A23843@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > > See the sources files shipped with current up2date, or the yum.conf > in current yum. Are there any plans to have the configuration be less redundant? Right now, I try to make double sure to keep the yum and up2date "sources" file in synch. Perhaps up2date could just use the yum config file for yum sources (maybe redhat could collaborate with yum's authors to extend the conf file directives a bit if needed). - just an idea. (I was thinking about writing a utility that would copy [and convert into the appropriate format] the yum lines from up2date into a yum.conf file... then I could just modify up2date's file, and have both kept in synch). -- noah silva From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 15:54:40 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:54:40 +0100 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067961280.6013.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Maybe, one day some Linux distro will be accused of creating a monopoly > > ;-) > > > > (D?j? vu?) > > I prefer a Linux distribution owning a monopoly on the operation system > market over Microsoft. A Linux-distro, at least most parts of it, are > fully open-source, so it is easy to use an alternative-distro or > operation system because standards, fileformats etc. are open. I fully agree, obviously. It's been a nerveous day, I guess we all need some kidding once in a while. > > More interesting: Will Ximian still be available for Red Hat base > operating systems? Ximian Desktop was already available for SuSE, but i > can imagen that Ximian will stop supporting Red Hat. Not necessarily. Suppose we'd simply ask them, would they care about answering? There's only one way to find out. Albert From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 15:58:17 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:58:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <3FA7C4C1.8080308@alexevon.org> Message-ID: > Hello. > > As I am a new list member on this list, I apologize if this question > has been asked. How is the upgrade to Fedora been using RH9? Was the > upgrade pretty seamless or did it requite a full reformat and > re-install? As a long follower of RH since '95, this is a question I > was trying to understand. There is not an official Fedora release yet, but there should be in a few days. All indications are that an upgrade will be possible. There are a lot of political/logistical changes, but as a home user, you can probably safely immagine "Fedora Core 1" means "redhat 10". The man difference is that it will be easier to find more packages for, you don't have to sign up for RHN, and you can't get a boxed version or Tech support from redhat. thanks, noah silva From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Nov 4 15:57:42 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:57:42 +0100 Subject: tcl/tk References: <1067958390.31517.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA7CC76.7010108@wanadoo.es> Erik Englund wrote: > Why don't you use 8.4 instead of 8.3? I filled a RFE on 2003-04-09 http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88429 waiting... -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Nov 4 16:03:04 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:03:04 +0100 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> Message-ID: <20031104170304.1b2da45b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:31:12 -0500, Adam Killian wrote: > So, there will not be a Fedora Channel on RHN? > Am I understanding this correctly? No. There is no reason to assume that Red Hat Network won't carry updates for Fedora Core. There's even a section at http://fedora.redhat.com which mentions that a Fedora Extras channel at RHN might become reality. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From update at alexevon.org Tue Nov 4 16:03:47 2003 From: update at alexevon.org (Alex F. Evonosky) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA7CDE3.2020901@alexevon.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks Noah. Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >>Hello. >> >>As I am a new list member on this list, I apologize if this question >>has been asked. How is the upgrade to Fedora been using RH9? Was the >>upgrade pretty seamless or did it requite a full reformat and >>re-install? As a long follower of RH since '95, this is a question I >>was trying to understand. > > >There is not an official Fedora release yet, but there should be in a few >days. All indications are that an upgrade will be possible. There are a >lot of political/logistical changes, but as a home user, you can probably >safely immagine "Fedora Core 1" means "redhat 10". The man difference is >that it will be easier to find more packages for, you don't have to sign >up for RHN, and you can't get a boxed version or Tech support from redhat. > >thanks, > noah silva > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/p83ji6NlI+CoSzsRAgyDAJ95lNe4pwxLlsTZXeZP684Gxu6iWgCeNM1P GTegdC0U9vd14kxQcxVtFq0= =QT+I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 4 16:10:11 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 04 Nov 2003 11:10:11 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <3FA7C4C1.8080308@alexevon.org> References: <3FA7C4C1.8080308@alexevon.org> Message-ID: <1067962210.25019.26.camel@london.east.gov> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:24, Alex F. Evonosky wrote: > As I am a new list member on this list, I apologize if this question > has been asked. How is the upgrade to Fedora been using RH9? Was the > upgrade pretty seamless or did it requite a full reformat and > re-install? As a long follower of RH since '95, this is a question I > was trying to understand. Firstly, realize that Fedora Core 1 has not yet officially been released; only the test versions have circulated at this point, although it seems likely that people running test3 with all the newest updates are pretty close (if not identical) to the final version of Fedora Core 1. Secondly, realize that you're asking on the "fedora-test-list," where people are doing bug stomping. You might be better off holding off a few weeks instead of chomping at the bit, and asking at the more generally-oriented "fedora-list," to gauge reactions after the official release has had time to touch down. Having said all that, I upgraded several boxes from Red Hat 9 to Fedora Core test1 (and then updated all the way through test3 to present day) with no installation/upgrade related problems. As did many other people, I encountered various bugs during the intervening weeks, which seem to have been completely stomped, or almost so. It's currently as stable as it gets. My main home machine is now on FC and seems to have zero problems. YMMV. I know that a lot of users out there seem to always want the latest and greatest installed, regardless of the merits of doing so. However, it's usually in your best interest to let the dust settle somewhat, and do your reading, unless you're fearless or an expert. And in either of those cases you probably wouldn't be asking us, right? ;-) Cheers, have fun! -- Paul W. Frields From snookertb at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 16:10:26 2003 From: snookertb at comcast.net (snookertb) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:10:26 -0500 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA7CF72.1080105@comcast.net> If I were Novell I would supply XD2 support for fedora. Makes a great way to sell thruogh to your other products. This could be big trouble for RH. I use XD2 and it is a good product. Their RedCarpet is also top notch. tb From damocles at thenostromo.com Tue Nov 4 16:13:06 2003 From: damocles at thenostromo.com (Randy Vice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:13:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- > > > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. > > > > Agreed, and poor timing as well now that Novell/Ximian is buying out SuSE. > > I'll DL Fedora when it's released, but I'm keeping a sharp on Novell's > > Linux distro, they may be wanting to pick up those of us who don't fit in > > RH's new scheme. Guess the next six months will be an interesting time to > > see where the chips fall. > > I think the whole Novell thing will be interesting as well, but there will > be room for two big distros I think. One would hope there is more room then that. > > What do you realistically think the alternative to FC was? I think it's > one you would like a lot less! I don't know, but it certainly looks like I'll be find out. Since I was happy with the service RH was providing at $60 @ year, I was planning to stick to it and update my server from 7.3 to 9.1 (I got 9.0 and Severn running on other sytems) as EOL was coming up for support. I'll probably upgrade to 9.0 an wait and see what to do prior to my subscription expiring for RHN. So when is the stable release of Fedora due out? -- : damocles at TheNostromo.com : Bruce Morrow, a man before and after his time : : "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood : : of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 11-13-1787 "Let's roll." : : Todd Beamer, American Patriot onboard United Airlines Flight 93 9-11-01 : : damocles at thenostromo.com http://www.thenostromo.com/ : From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Nov 4 16:14:38 2003 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] Message-ID: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47FD3@Remailnt1> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Noah Silva >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:58 AM >> >> > As I am a new list member on this list, I apologize if this >> > question has been asked. How is the upgrade to Fedora been >> > using RH9? Was the upgrade pretty seamless or did it requite >> > a full reformat and re-install? As a long follower of RH >> > since '95, this is a question I was trying to understand. >> >> There is not an official Fedora release yet, but there should >> be in a few days. All indications are that an upgrade will be >> possible. There are a lot of political/logistical changes, but >> as a home user, you can probably safely immagine "Fedora Core >> 1" means "redhat 10". The man difference is that it will be >> easier to find more packages for, you don't have to sign up for >> RHN, and you can't get a boxed version or Tech support from >> redhat. Has anyone written an "Upgrading RedHat to Fedora Core" document? That would be useful for those not quite as comfortable with all the options available. Addressing at least issues like the following: - Will I want to download the ISOs and burn CDs to do an upgrade or will I be able to upgrade by using up2date/apt/yum? - If I can use up2date/apt/yum, what changes do I need to make in what files in order to do that? - If I have RedHat Linux version 7.x, 8, 9, etc. what are the things to look out for. - Once I'm upgraded to FC1, how do I stay current with patches and updates? That sort of thing. I'd contribute it myself but I don't know enough. -- Henry From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Nov 4 16:12:14 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:12:14 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <3FA7C4C1.8080308@alexevon.org> References: <3FA7C4C1.8080308@alexevon.org> Message-ID: <1067962334.2532.15.camel@CirithUngol> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:24, Alex F. Evonosky wrote: > Hello. > > As I am a new list member on this list, I apologize if this question > has been asked. How is the upgrade to Fedora been using RH9? Was the > upgrade pretty seamless or did it requite a full reformat and > re-install? Yes, it was pretty seemless for me. I upgraded to the Test3 and have been updating daily (or when they were available) on about Oct 15th just after T3 was available. I am unable to get the graphical boot feature to work yet, but that is not a significant issue anyway (since I won't use it when it does work). For update, I believe you will not be able to select the packages that will be installed, rather it simply updates those currently installed, plus any for dependencies, etc. If you do not have main distro software already and want to install it now you'll need to install it manually from the cds, or use the package installer tool (which isn't a very effective tool really). Release might be a different beast for upgrade, but hopefully is smoother as there were numerous bugs fixed related to install processes. Andrew Farris > Alex F. Evonosky > Adelphia Communications (Southeast Region) > Data Engineering > > 678.513.9738 (o) / 678.523.8026 (m) > IM=alexfevonosky > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/p8TBi6NlI+CoSzsRAi4IAJ9cHw2l45JvSWv/UhK3/wMx5lqYgACfdXCv > T4ElBJxvrgsIVHh9N3KZnWY= > =mpWL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 4 16:15:47 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 04 Nov 2003 11:15:47 -0500 Subject: OT: DMA troubles with Via KT600 chipset & hitachi hard drive In-Reply-To: <3FA7CB3C.6070203@motorola.com> References: <3FA7CB3C.6070203@motorola.com> Message-ID: <1067962546.25019.30.camel@london.east.gov> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:52, Tom Georgoulias wrote: [...snip...] > While copying some RPMs from a CD to the hard drive, I noticed the copy > took a really long time and ran "hdparm -Tt /dev/hda" to see what the > transfer speeds were. The buffered disk reads were somewhere in the > neighborhood of 7MB/s, which lead me to believe DMA wasn't on. hdparm > and dmesg confirmed that. I tried turning DMA on with hdparm to do some > more testing, but I got the error: > > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted > > We're running the latest RHL9 kernel, 2.4.20-20.9, a Hitachi 60GXP > Deskstar drive, and using ATA-133 compatible cabling. My suspicion is > the motherboard, a Gigabyte 7VT600-L based on the Via KT600. I'm not > sure if the kernel we are using has support for a motherboard this new. > Searching Google produced quite a few hits, but most were pretty old > and all seemed to suggest that IDE driver support was lacking in those > instances. So my question is, will the new Fedora Core 1 kernel have > the support we need to get DMA working on this setup? I believe you're correct. I have a number of KT600 boards on systems at work, and Fedora Core 0.95 (plus current updates) works fine on all of them with expected DMA support, whereas Red Hat Linux 9 did not. If you hold off a few days and use BitTorrent to grab the Fedora Core 1 ISO images you should be right as rain. -- Paul W. Frields From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 16:26:33 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:26:33 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47FD3@Remailnt1> References: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47FD3@Remailnt1> Message-ID: <1067963193.6034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Has anyone written an "Upgrading RedHat to Fedora Core" document? > That would be useful for those not quite as comfortable with all > the options available. > > Addressing at least issues like the following: > > - Will I want to download the ISOs and burn CDs to do an upgrade > or will I be able to upgrade by using up2date/apt/yum? > > - If I can use up2date/apt/yum, what changes do I need to make > in what files in order to do that? > > - If I have RedHat Linux version 7.x, 8, 9, etc. what are the > things to look out for. > > - Once I'm upgraded to FC1, how do I stay current with patches > and updates? > > That sort of thing. I'd contribute it myself but I don't know > enough. One item I'd like to add: Howto uninstall XD2 prior to upgrading to FC? Would a 'clean install' be the only way to work around XD2? Albert From eric at interplas.com Tue Nov 4 16:28:05 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:28:05 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? -eric wood From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Nov 4 16:42:28 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:42:28 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> Eric Wood wrote : > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? ...and I would tend to agree with Matthew Szulik. Note the difference that is made between home and corporate desktop : The (lower) average home user has drastically different expectations then the corporate one : Games, Multimedia most notably, vs. Productivity and Communication tools. When so few 3D graphic cards have free native X drivers, and patents prevent the most popular multimedia formats from being supported in GNU/Linux distributions, it's just not possible to compete fairly. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.07 0.17 0.20 From nbecker at hns.com Tue Nov 4 16:49:01 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:49:01 -0500 Subject: [O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks Message-ID: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> I just got a pair of WD raptor disks, which are SATA 10000rpm. Sweet, right? No! They are connected to Asus A7N8X MB, which has SiI3112 Serial ATA (according to dmesg). hdparm -t shows TERRIBLE slow results. /sbin/hdparm /dev/hde /dev/hde: multcount = 16 (on) IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 0 (off) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 8 (on) geometry = 4500/255/63, sectors = 72303840, start = 0 OK, now try with DMA turned on. Locks up machine. Here's what was logged: Nov 4 11:30:56 rpppc1 kernel: blk: queue c03c61e8, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=1099511642367, high=65536, low=14591, sector=0 Nov 4 11:31:21 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 This is with kernel 2.4.20-20.9. From darth_linux at ameritech.net Tue Nov 4 16:46:51 2003 From: darth_linux at ameritech.net (Eric Hartwell) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:46:51 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <200311041146.52406.darth_linux@ameritech.net> /* two cents and change But that's where LUG's and community support come into play. If the 90 year-old grand dad wants to install in Linux (or anyone else for that matter) there should be some Linux community representative around to lend a hand. (Where did grampa get teh Linux distro in the first place?) We linux people need to rise up and make our services know. Yeah yeah.. you wanna make a living off linux. go forth and do so. but remember that Linux is community driven - we need developers and computer users to help those around them. */ On Tuesday 04 November 2003 11:42 am, Matthias Saou wrote: > Eric Wood wrote : > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > ...and I would tend to agree with Matthew Szulik. Note the difference that > is made between home and corporate desktop : The (lower) average home user > has drastically different expectations then the corporate one : Games, > Multimedia most notably, vs. Productivity and Communication tools. > > When so few 3D graphic cards have free native X drivers, and patents > prevent the most popular multimedia formats from being supported in > GNU/Linux distributions, it's just not possible to compete fairly. > > Matthias From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 16:56:18 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:56:18 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1067964978.6034.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op di 04-11-2003, om 17:28 schreef Eric Wood: > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? It's rather a question of confidence in the 'average' consumer. It takes more than a few mouse clicks to install, let's say an nVidia driver, or to get a sound card working. BTW, I've never been able to watch DVD 'out of the box', neither on Mandrake, nor on HD9. I know it's a all just matter of plug-ins and codecs. So, maybe I should try harder. But that's exactly the point! My 10 year old kid happily runs DVD's on software he installed himself, running Windows (click - click) There's definately some work to be done for linux in general ( > > -eric wood > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Nov 4 17:02:13 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:02:13 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <200311041146.52406.darth_linux@ameritech.net> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> <200311041146.52406.darth_linux@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <20031104180213.5420e7f3.matthias@rpmforge.net> Eric Hartwell wrote : > /* two cents and change > But that's where LUG's and community support come into play. If the 90 > year-old grand dad wants to install in Linux (or anyone else for that > matter) there should be some Linux community representative around to > lend a hand. (Where did grampa get teh Linux distro in the first place?) > > We linux people need to rise up and make our services know. Yeah yeah.. > you wanna make a living off linux. go forth and do so. but remember that > Linux is community driven - we need developers and computer users to help > those around them. > */ I agree, although not completely : Getting help easily is great. Sharing knowledge is fantastic. But being easily stuck with your computer if you don't know where to get help or if none is available at that very moment isn't something that should happen. Free Software is wonderful but the underlyings of *N?X are complicated. Those are two facts no one can do much about, for the best or the worst. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.08 0.19 0.19 From Paul at essential-skills.com Tue Nov 4 17:04:11 2003 From: Paul at essential-skills.com (Paul Kline) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:04:11 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1067965451.1142.10.camel@knightrider.sewh.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 11:42, Matthias Saou wrote: > Eric Wood wrote : > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > ...and I would tend to agree with Matthew Szulik. Note the difference that > is made between home and corporate desktop : The (lower) average home user > has drastically different expectations then the corporate one : Games, > Multimedia most notably, vs. Productivity and Communication tools. > > When so few 3D graphic cards have free native X drivers, and patents > prevent the most popular multimedia formats from being supported in > GNU/Linux distributions, it's just not possible to compete fairly. > > Matthias Only reason why I have a Windows XP computer at home is, 1) Games. Multimedia formats? DVDs, DivX, and various other formats play just fine under linux. While he has his opinion, I can have an opinion he is quiet wrong. After losing my precious email for the 10th time, I started using evolution, its been about a year, and I have not had one fatal crash. For Games, yeah you need Windows, but even a Lindows walmart computer for $299, will be a safe bet to use for email, web browsers. If VARs preinstall linux and turn off the "internet related" services (ssh, apache, telnet, ftp) you can have a more secure computer for home usage than the average home windows computer. Thats my $.02 :) Paul From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 17:05:47 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:05:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067964978.6034.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Click Click" isn't exactly hard on linux either. Someone who knows what he is doing can make binary RPMs. With YUM officially supported, it becomes as simple as adding a channel like "bob's mplayer channel" (even if it stays out of "fedora", and selecting a package to install. Even my girlfriend installs stuff on linux (mainly though red-carpet). The problem is the 3rd party things that have very generic (non RPM, non Debian) installers like: flash, java, etc. These things, free or not, need to end up being easier to set up (or set up by default). Think about it: Crossover and winx are entire businesses based around "making it easier". Plain wine can do the same things, as they both put their changes back into CVS... Even RHEL is in a similar situation.. anyone can download and compiles it.. but who is going to do that? -- noah silva On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Albert DE WINT wrote: > Op di 04-11-2003, om 17:28 schreef Eric Wood: > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > It's rather a question of confidence in the 'average' consumer. It > takes more than a few mouse clicks to install, let's say an nVidia > driver, or to get a sound card working. > > BTW, I've never been able to watch DVD 'out of the box', neither on > Mandrake, nor on HD9. I know it's a all just matter of plug-ins and > codecs. So, maybe I should try harder. But that's exactly the point! > > My 10 year old kid happily runs DVD's on software he installed himself, > running Windows (click - click) There's definately some work to be done > for linux in general ( > > > > -eric wood > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Nov 4 17:09:25 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:09:25 -0400 Subject: Epiphany not called for secure links from Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067960512.17249.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> References: <1067934995.23376.2.camel@zephyr> <1067960512.17249.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <1067965765.23376.16.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 11:41, The Matt wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 01:36, Ben Steeves wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > When clicking on a non-secure link in Evolution, the link opens up in > > Epiphany, which is how I have things configured in > > gnome-default-applications-properties. However, when I click on a > > secure link (i.e., one starting with https://), Mozilla tries to start > > up. > Have you tried adding/editing the service in > gnome-file-types-properties? I had to add one once Gnome 2.4 came. I > added an https service and have galeon -n --noraise "%s" as my program. > Maybe mozilla is associated with the service on your box? Ah, that appears to have done it. Https was associated with htmlview, which apparently was calling Mozilla. I set it to Epiphany and all is well. Thanks! -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From monty19 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 4 17:06:22 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:06:22 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: To an extent I can understand what he is saying. It's sort of the middle ground from saying that Linux is [not] ready for the desktop. On one hand he is saying yes for the business it is. For the home user maybe not. And it's true. You aren't gonna get iTunes or Napster 2.0 for Linux anytime soon, you won't see Half Life 2, Lock On: Modern Air Combat, or Everquest II released at the same time as the Windows versions, and let's face it; maybe not for you, or me, or most technically inclined people, but it is harder to set up than a Mac and therefore too difficult for many. But you can get you're productivity suite, browser, email client, etc. So for many businesses it will be plenty suitable. This does leave the question of who the hell is supposed to use Fedora... I guess people like me who are willing to pay maybe $60 for an RHN account; if that is still an option mind you, but not $179 for a RHEL WS license. I loved RedHat 5.2-9.0. And the advnace it has made in that time is borderline miraculous. The stability has been second to none as well. It has been without a doubt more than adequate for running my personal 'server' on, and has led me to push for adoption of Linux products including RHEL in businesses. My only hope is that RedHat doesn't make Fedora into the bastard child not worthy of tinkering on, let alone running my PoS personal server on, because then I will to a large degree fall out of touch, and then I cannot recommend it on personal experience anymore. But I am optimistic. From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 17:10:33 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:10:33 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067964978.6034.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067964978.6034.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067965833.13443.309.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 16:56, Albert DE WINT wrote: > BTW, I've never been able to watch DVD 'out of the box', neither on > Mandrake, nor on HD9. I know it's a all just matter of plug-ins and > codecs. So, maybe I should try harder. But that's exactly the point! I agree, it's not easy to do without either 1) changing config files; and/or 2) using software-of-questionable-legality-in-many-countries. The first issue can be solved with better tools -- RH & Gnome tools are going down that path quickly -- but the second is where our advocacy time is best targeted IMHO. Redhat's focus on the enterprise + support of Fedora + Fedora / Linux community = device driver support will be sorted out (yes, corporate users do use the new funky USB gadgets), but corporate users are just going to license DVD and MP3 tools. We need to fight for free alternative like Ogg/Vorbis. From anthony_placilla at suth.com Tue Nov 4 17:08:04 2003 From: anthony_placilla at suth.com (Anthony J Placilla) Date: 04 Nov 2003 12:08:04 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <20031104174228.4a3c7e11.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1067965684.15754.98.camel@ajplacilla.suth.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 11:42, Matthias Saou wrote: > Eric Wood wrote : > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > ...and I would tend to agree with Matthew Szulik. Note the difference that > is made between home and corporate desktop : The (lower) average home user > has drastically different expectations then the corporate one : Games, > Multimedia most notably, vs. Productivity and Communication tools. > > When so few 3D graphic cards have free native X drivers, and patents > prevent the most popular multimedia formats from being supported in > GNU/Linux distributions, it's just not possible to compete fairly. > > Matthias There is a vast difference between "Joe Sixpack" & the corporate desktop. Matthew is correct (albeit he could have phrased it better) in his assertion that linux isn't there yet for Joe. The last paragraph is possibly the most sensible. Short answer. use the right tool for the job. And take all circumstances into account That being said, my 78 year old parents use RH on a daily basis. But they have the virtue of an admin on call. :-) -- Tony Placilla anthony_placilla at suth.com perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10);' From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 4 17:13:08 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 04 Nov 2003 12:13:08 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1067965943.25019.84.camel@london.east.gov> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 11:28, Eric Wood wrote: > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? On the contrary. If you read the article, they are boasting about the corporate desktop space being ripe for Linux. Red Hat has never really boosted the idea of Linux on every home user's desktop. It makes absolutely no sense for them to do so, and none of their strategic moves have taken them in that direction. I built my mother a computer just a couple of months ago, and I happily put Microsoft Windows XP on it, not because I like or dislike it, but because it was easiest for her to use. Go back and read Szulik's comments and you won't find one point in there worth disagreeing with, especially considering he was talking about "home users." He was speaking with honesty and forthrightness about the state of affairs *today*... wow, what a novel concept! I love my mom, but frankly I have a full-time job as well as a family of my own, and don't have time to troubleshoot her problems daily because she can't figure out how to use an ssh tunnel, or how to get Blue's Clues to work on Linux so her grandchildren can play with it. This is regardless of the fact that I could do it; it's just not my cup of tea to play support guru when I'm not at work. Non-techie home users have a much more solid, established support structure with Microsoft Windows, especially since just about everything they want to use is made for it. And they have better things to do with their lives than make their computers work. Corporate users, on the other hand, have existing, well-defined IT support structures in place. They are expected only to complete real work on their company computers and not spend their time playing Shockwave games, making their own greeting cards or installing new cursors. Red Hat Enterprise Linux (and, frankly, Fedora Core if you have a decently trained IT staff) is going to be ideal for deployment to these folks. But over the next five years, who knows what wonders may be revealed? Compare today's Fedora Core desktop system to Red Hat Linux 5.2, five years ago, and look at the difference. Astonishing! Just having built six new, decked-out KT600-based Athlon XP 2800+ workstations for coworkers a few weeks ago, Fedora Core test3 runs perfectly on all of them. Linux gains ground every day, and a good part of why is the work Red Hat has put in over the last ten years, and the strategic vision that has kept them from throwing in with zealotry or easy money. Instead, they've been slowly and steadily gaining ground not through disparaging or FUD-ing the competition, but by producing a great product. All right, so that sounds like a lot of cheerleading, but hey, Red Hat changed my life and I believe in what they do. And you don't have to read between any of those lines to see that their CEO is not giving up or losing any confidence in what they're involved with. He's stating the facts as they exist today, without prejudice toward tomorrow or the day after that, or next month or next year. What Mr. Szulik is saying is about customers and what they want, and the fact that he speaks with such a disarming lack of artifice is a real testament to the kind of business Red Hat practices, open and ethical. We are living in amazing times! Cheers! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 17:14:49 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:14:49 -0500 Subject: Concerns about RedHat's email In-Reply-To: <1067921346.5494.44.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> <1067920708.5494.36.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067921346.5494.44.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200311041214.49808.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 3, 2003 11:49 pm, Gerry Tool , > wrote: > I forgot to mention I've used Fedora Core in Test1,2,3 and it is a rock > solid distro. I don't use my RHL9 install for anything anymore. Gerry, you're just very lucky! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 17:18:23 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:18:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067965451.1142.10.camel@knightrider.sewh.com> Message-ID: > > > Only reason why I have a Windows XP computer at home is, 1) Games. I never understood the Games angle (I mean I play sometimes with whatever's installed, but I don't ever HAVE to have Game X)... but if it's important that much for a desktop distro... why not incorporate WineX? It's cheap, at least the likes of Suse could easily include it, if their CDs cost $$ anyway. (And mandrake caters specifically to home users...). > Multimedia formats? DVDs, DivX, and various other formats play just > fine under linux. While he has his opinion, I can have an opinion he Amusingly this isn't just true, they play BETTER in linux. I can play almost any movie with mplayer. I installed one player, and can play 99% of movies. Almost all windows users end up installing Quicktime, Windows Media Player, and Real Player. And mplayer plays them very very nicely. The only movies I ran across so far that I couldn't play were some fairly new RealVideo movies, which I was able to play with Helix Player (from real, for linux..). > is quiet wrong. After losing my precious email for the 10th time, > services (ssh, apache, telnet, ftp) you can have a more secure computer > for home usage than the average home windows computer. Not only this.. kids install games and screensavers and "barbie's playhouse". Even home users who use their computers more for actual productivity will in many cases be better off with linux. In reference to the 90 year old grandpa example that was given: probably he wants to use WWW, email, word processing, and ... that's most of what a lot of home users do. I bought my aunt a PC, and loaded windows on it, thinking it would be needed. so far, it is used for: a.) Web browsing with Mozilla b.) _ocasionally_ word processing with staroffice. c.) Web mail. (see A) d.) Sometimes AIM (with AOL's client). e.) Printing web pages, word processing documents... She hasn't installed any software on it, and I don't think she's wanted to. It could just as well be linux, and it would be easier for me to fix then if there were problems (ssh...). On the opposite side of tis very non-demanding user is the very demanding very technical user (like me), who often use linux or something more exotic. Only the middle segment really needs windows, and I have seen some of them convert. (especially after telling them "oh you won't like it, it's too hard...", some people like challenge he he) -- noah silva From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 17:22:59 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:22:59 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067966578.13443.314.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:06, Jason Montleon wrote: [...] > And it's true. You aren't gonna get iTunes or Napster 2.0 for Linux anytime > soon, you won't see Half Life 2, Lock On: Modern Air Combat, or Everquest II > released at the same time as the Windows versions, and let's face it; maybe > not for you, or me, or most technically inclined people, but it is harder to > set up than a Mac and therefore too difficult for many. But you can get > you're productivity suite, browser, email client, etc. So for many > businesses it will be plenty suitable. Exactly -- it will probably help productivity since 1) it's more stable; 2) generally more secure; and 3) harder for the average user to do something to hose their machine. > This does leave the question of who the hell is supposed to use Fedora... I > guess people like me Yup, sounds like it. > My only hope is that RedHat doesn't make Fedora into the > bastard child not worthy of tinkering on, let alone running my PoS personal > server on, because then I will to a large degree fall out of touch, and then > I cannot recommend it on personal experience anymore. But I am optimistic. Redhat seems to want to use Fedora as a feeder for its Enterprise product line, so I think their official position certainly justifies your optimism. From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 4 17:23:25 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 04 Nov 2003 12:23:25 -0500 Subject: Epiphany not called for secure links from Evolution In-Reply-To: <1067965765.23376.16.camel@zephyr> References: <1067934995.23376.2.camel@zephyr> <1067960512.17249.2.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> <1067965765.23376.16.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <1067966604.25019.94.camel@london.east.gov> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:09, Ben Steeves wrote: > > > When clicking on a non-secure link in Evolution, the link opens up in > > > Epiphany, which is how I have things configured in > > > gnome-default-applications-properties. However, when I click on a > > > secure link (i.e., one starting with https://), Mozilla tries to start > > > up. > > Have you tried adding/editing the service in > > gnome-file-types-properties? I had to add one once Gnome 2.4 came. I > > added an https service and have galeon -n --noraise "%s" as my program. > > Maybe mozilla is associated with the service on your box? > > Ah, that appears to have done it. Https was associated with htmlview, > which apparently was calling Mozilla. I set it to Epiphany and all is > well. Just as a reference, you might want to think about making a ~/.htmlviewrc file which contains: X11BROWSER=epiphany ...instead, so that any other calls that get set up to use the general redirector "htmlview" will end up going to epiphany as well. I was under the impression that htmlview was for this purpose originally, but I believe it has a lot of interaction with the GNOME Preferred Applications settings as well as the File/Services settings. -- Paul W. Frields From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 17:24:14 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:24:14 +0000 Subject: Concerns about RedHat's email In-Reply-To: <200311041214.49808.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1067919217.4122.4.camel@max.localdomain> <1067920708.5494.36.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1067921346.5494.44.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200311041214.49808.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067966654.13443.316.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:14, Elton Woo wrote: > On November 3, 2003 11:49 pm, Gerry Tool , > > wrote: > > I forgot to mention I've used Fedora Core in Test1,2,3 and it is a rock > > solid distro. I don't use my RHL9 install for anything anymore. > > Gerry, you're just very lucky! Heh...in all seriousness, I share his positive experience. It's been VERY solid and I would certainly thing it's ready for prime time. From davej at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 17:28:11 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:28:11 +0000 Subject: [O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks In-Reply-To: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031104172811.GD6186@redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:49:01AM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > This is with kernel 2.4.20-20.9. This is not a Fedora kernel, and also doesn't contain SATA drivers. (not that the generic ones should crash but...) Dave From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 4 17:30:14 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 04 Nov 2003 12:30:14 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067967014.25019.101.camel@london.east.gov> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:06, Jason Montleon wrote: > This does leave the question of who the hell is supposed to use > Fedora... I guess people like me who are willing to pay maybe $60 for > an RHN account; if that is still an option mind you, but not $179 for > a RHEL WS license. Developers, enthusiasts, early adopters, geeks, techies, and anyone who was comfortable downloading a free copy of Red Hat Linux in the past, installing it and getting to work. In other words, you, me and probably most if not all of the people on this list. And now (or pretty soon at least) we get to participate in the process of its direction and growth more fully. > I loved RedHat 5.2-9.0. And the advnace it has made in that time is > borderline miraculous. The stability has been second to none as > well. It has been without a doubt more than adequate for running my > personal 'server' on, and has led me to push for adoption of Linux > products including RHEL in businesses. My only hope is that RedHat > doesn't make Fedora into the bastard child not worthy of tinkering on, > let alone running my PoS personal server on, because then I will to a > large degree fall out of touch, and then I cannot recommend it on > personal experience anymore. But I am optimistic. I wouldn't expect that at all; remember that Fedora Core is going to be the testing ground for what happens to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, meaning Fedora users will see new technologies first, just like we did with Red Hat Linux. I have a feeling you don't need to be overly optimistic to see great things on the horizon. -- Paul W. Frields From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 17:31:42 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:31:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > One would hope there is more room then that. I am sure niche markets will mean there is. (like Embedix), but big players.. I am doubting it. > > > What do you realistically think the alternative to FC was? I think it's > > one you would like a lot less! > > I don't know, but it certainly looks like I'll be find out. Since I was > happy with the service RH was providing at $60 @ year, I was planning to > stick to it and update my server from 7.3 to 9.1 (I got 9.0 and Severn > running on other sytems) as EOL was coming up for support. I'll probably > upgrade to 9.0 an wait and see what to do prior to my subscription > expiring for RHN. > > So when is the stable release of Fedora due out? > Yesterday, but from the release schedule page: "November 3 2003 - General Availability Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as soon as possible." Why not download it when it comes out,and take it for a spin? Just like 8 to 9, it's much the same, jet with a lot of nice little additons. The biggest thing you will notice is a massive search-and-replace of "red hat" to "fedora core". ;) RHN is still there, and last i checked, you could still use it, you just have two new options. Everyone was installing apt and yum and using third party repositories anyway, redhat made things easier for home users by officially picking a repository, and building yum and apt support in. Now you can have all three protocols on one system. -- noah silva From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 17:31:45 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:31:45 -0500 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com>; from akillian@footlocker.com on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:31:12AM -0500 References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> Message-ID: <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:31:12AM -0500, Adam Killian wrote: > So, there will not be a Fedora Channel on RHN? > Am I understanding this correctly? > If this is the case, why does Fedora include rhn_applet and rhn_register? We are defaulting to yum repositories. Keeping the other programs available keeps all our options open for the future. > As a *paying* RHN subscriber, I use RHN to manage my shrike boxes. Do I > lose this ability when I upgrade to fedora? At this time, RHN does not have Fedora channels. Even if that were to change, the update process for Fedora is different from the errata process for Red Hat's OS products, so RHN would be a source of updates, not really the management tool you are used to. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 17:35:45 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:35:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <3FA7CF72.1080105@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, snookertb wrote: > If I were Novell I would supply XD2 support for fedora. Makes a great > way to sell thruogh > to your other products. This could be big trouble for RH. > > I use XD2 and it is a good product. Their RedCarpet is also top notch. >From the conference call earlier: Someone asked "will Novell continue to support the other distributions?" Novell said something like "We will certainly continue to certify our products on redhat for the time being, and we will see how that goes." (though that sounds to me like they are talking about novell directory services, etc.) All of the linux distros might have to face that a company might want to use three distros. If they think Redhat is best for servers, while Novell/Ximian/Suse is best for desktops... the vendors will have to deal with it. Just like right now, IBM has to deal with that we use Dell desktops, and Microsoft has to deal with that we have Unix servers and Oracle installations. -- noah silva From mwellman at quinnteam.com Tue Nov 4 17:44:55 2003 From: mwellman at quinnteam.com (Matthew Wellman) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:44:55 -0800 Subject: RHN? Message-ID: <3FA7E597.6000504@quinnteam.com> Hi All, I just subscribed today so this may have been asked already I heard the announcement yesterday about RedHat not continuing support on RHN for 7.1 - 9 dose that mean Fedora will not be updated in this manor as well or do they plan on continuing with updates in this fashion Matt -- onE bY onE thE penguinS steaL mY sanitY From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 17:43:24 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:43:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47FD3@Remailnt1> Message-ID: > Has anyone written an "Upgrading RedHat to Fedora Core" document? > That would be useful for those not quite as comfortable with all > the options available. I don't think this is nessisary. Redhat could have saved themselves a lot of grief by calling this "Redhat 10" ;). I think they wanted to make it seem less "official" to businesses, and make things more open for hobbiest types. Neither of which is really bad. > Addressing at least issues like the following: > > - Will I want to download the ISOs and burn CDs to do an upgrade > or will I be able to upgrade by using up2date/apt/yum? If you are going from something like redhat 8 or 9, I think you want to do an upgrade install with the CDs (or NFS, etc.). > - If I can use up2date/apt/yum, what changes do I need to make > in what files in order to do that? If you really wanted to try this, you could install yum, and set it to fetch from rawhide (right now). I can see a number of problems with this right now. For example, I dont' think rawhide has all of the packages from FC1 in it, just more recent changes. Once there is an FC1 channel, this coudl concievably been done, but I have never seen redhat support something like this. Even distros designed to do it occasioanlly have issues. > - If I have RedHat Linux version 7.x, 8, 9, etc. what are the > things to look out for. Technically speaking: The change from RH 8 or 9 to FC 1 is nowhere as drastic as the change from RH 7 to RH 8. (in my opinion). > - Once I'm upgraded to FC1, how do I stay current with patches > and updates? you can use up2date or yum. (And up2date can pull from yum sources or RHN). I assume you can stay on rawhide if you want to stay on whatever redhat is playing with at the moment (much like debian unstable), or you can stick with some sort of "fedora core 1" channel if you want to only get bug fixes. > That sort of thing. I'd contribute it myself but I don't know > enough. -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 17:46:28 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:46:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <1067962334.2532.15.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: > been updating daily (or when they were available) on about Oct 15th just > after T3 was available. I am unable to get the graphical boot feature > to work yet, but that is not a significant issue anyway (since I won't > use it when it does work). This still isn't working for me either.. I was hoping someone would have an idea ;(... > For update, I believe you will not be able to select the packages that > will be installed, rather it simply updates those currently installed, > plus any for dependencies, etc. at least in the current up2date GUI, you can flag packages to be skipped.If you just want to update one package (and dependancies), you can use "yum upgrade gaim". > If you do not have main distro software > already and want to install it now you'll need to install it manually > from the cds, or use the package installer tool (which isn't a very > effective tool really). If you are on the network, you can use up2date from the command line (--install?), or yum to install software. For example "yum install gaim". > Release might be a different beast for upgrade, but hopefully is > smoother as there were numerous bugs fixed related to install processes. > k -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 17:49:01 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:49:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <1067963193.6034.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > One item I'd like to add: > > Howto uninstall XD2 prior to upgrading to FC? Would a 'clean install' > be the only way to work around XD2? Well, it certainly will make your life easier to just reinstall. The bad part is even the XD2 items that can be easily used in FC (like the themes), don't seem to be available via Fedora, so I installed the login theme, Gorilla, Industrial, etc. manually. Since the consistantly win pols for highest attractiveness, I think they should be included in the FC gnome install, even if bluecurve is default. I don't know a lot of people who know about them who _won't_ install them. -- noah silva > > Albert > > From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 17:52:58 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:52:58 -0500 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 10:39 am, Martin Sturm , > wrote: > > > Any care to speculate on who will acquire Mandrake and when? > > > > You have a point. Given the financial situation of Mandrake, I suppose > > they must be dying to sell. <*chuckle*> ... You seem to have given voice to what I've been thinking secretly: possibly Red Hat will acquire Mandrake ... thereby giving them access to other markets, and being able to provide products that are not strictured by US governance (think certain codecs... for example). Mandrake is already an rpm-based distro, and though it has diverged somewhat from the Red Hat Linux structure, it is not totally 'alien'. For that matter, FC + Mandrake = (possible) shrinkwrap for the SOHO's and hobbyists. With RHEL for Red Hat's main breadwinner: the corporate customers. QED: "everybody wins"! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 18:00:26 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:00:26 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067964978.6034.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067964978.6034.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200311041300.26697.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 11:56 am, Albert DE WINT , > wrote: > BTW, I've never been able to watch DVD 'out of the box', neither on > Mandrake, nor on HD9. I know it's a all just matter of plug-ins and ... and a matter of licencing issues, NOT the fault of any linux distro... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From teg at pvv.org Tue Nov 4 17:53:42 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:53:42 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:28, Eric Wood wrote: > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? If you expect consumer hardware to just work (wireless, graphics card, fancy gizmos bought at compusa) etc to just work, Matthew is right. Driver availability and installation is one thing which is keeping Linux back for those scenarios... and one of the things which is limiting driver availability is that making a driver for 2.4, one for 2.6 and putting it on a disk doesn't just work. There is a multitude of versions, and unless you put a lot of work into glue (Nvidia) you're in for a world of pain if trying to distribute binary drivers - which, whether we like it or not, most hardware manufacturers want to. The corporate desktop is much easier to reach for, because it is a more stable and less diverse target. From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Tue Nov 4 17:53:36 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:53:36 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <1067968415.2564.38.camel@Darkstar> I agree with the article. The average home user does not know anything about how to install any type of software, be it an app or game. They are thinking to themselves, what the heck is *.tar.gz how do I install it. So who do I call to install this??????? The average home user does not read anything, they want support for everything. Ask me about it, Ive worked for Digital, Compaq and HP. They're customer demand support for just about everything. For example does the average user know how to install Xine properly. No.... I requires two files to be installed Xine-lib and Xine-ui and Xine-lib has to be in the Path before Xine-ui will install and how do you get it into the path when you install Xine-lib. Easy for me, but the average home user forget it. There is one feature that I like in Windows, I hate to admit it but, and that is the add and remove program. Select the program in question and remove it. It is harder to do in Linux because there are too many file formats to consider; *.bin, *.tar.gz, *.rpm and there are others as well. How do you incorporate them into an Add and Remove Program style of format. The average user will need that. If all Linux was meant to do was to do emails, message someone, or to write an essay it's great for the home user. It's stable, it won't crash in the middle of something important and you really don't have to worry that much about viruses. (there, my .02 cents worth) Mike From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Tue Nov 4 17:59:53 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:59:53 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <20031104175953.GA30785@prince.homelinux.org> Eric Wood staggered into view and mumbled: > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? It is a sad day for Linux, and Red Hat in particular. Everyone knows that operating systems/applications and drivers are a chicken-and-egg process. The more people there are using Linux, the more apps and drivers will become available. Ans the more apps and drivers there are, the more people will use Linux. I have aggreed with everything RH has done up until this point. I really do believe that this is the biggest mistake RH has EVER made. Telling people to stay with Micros**t Virusware and not to switch to Linux because of the current lack of apps and drivers that the home user is expecting is not going to increase the availability of those apps and drivers that home users need. As a famous mistical disembodied voice in the movie "Field of Dreams" once said, "If you build it, shey will come." So, we must keep building Linux for the desktop. We must also, however, get more people using it, so that more people will help build it. PRINCE From damocles at thenostromo.com Tue Nov 4 17:50:26 2003 From: damocles at thenostromo.com (Randy Vice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > > > One would hope there is more room then that. > > I am sure niche markets will mean there is. (like Embedix), but big > players.. I am doubting it. > > > > > > What do you realistically think the alternative to FC was? I think it's > > > one you would like a lot less! > > > > I don't know, but it certainly looks like I'll be find out. Since I was > > happy with the service RH was providing at $60 @ year, I was planning to > > stick to it and update my server from 7.3 to 9.1 (I got 9.0 and Severn > > running on other sytems) as EOL was coming up for support. I'll probably > > upgrade to 9.0 an wait and see what to do prior to my subscription > > expiring for RHN. > > > > So when is the stable release of Fedora due out? > > > Yesterday, but from the release schedule page: "November 3 2003 - General > Availability Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as > soon as possible." Yeah, that doesn't answer my question though. =) Next Monday? Next month? Since Fedora is for home/hobby folks, could the announcement be worded a bit more in nontechnical terms? "Respin" is a new term for me, and I've been using RH since 6.x days. > > Why not download it when it comes out,and take it for a spin? Just > like 8 to 9, it's much the same, jet with a lot of nice little additons. > The biggest thing you will notice is a massive search-and-replace of "red > hat" to "fedora core". ;) > > RHN is still there, and last i checked, you could still use it, you just > have two new options. Everyone was installing apt and yum and using third > party repositories anyway, redhat made things easier for home users by > officially picking a repository, and building yum and apt support in. Now > you can have all three protocols on one system. Yeah, RHN is still there for me, but not for long. :\ Or is Fedora crew planning a RHN service replacement? -- : damocles at TheNostromo.com : Bruce Morrow, a man before and after his time : : "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood : : of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 11-13-1787 "Let's roll." : : Todd Beamer, American Patriot onboard United Airlines Flight 93 9-11-01 : : damocles at thenostromo.com http://www.thenostromo.com/ : From sflory at rackable.com Tue Nov 4 17:57:37 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:57:37 -0800 Subject: [O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks In-Reply-To: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FA7E891.1030601@rackable.com> Neal D. Becker wrote: > I just got a pair of WD raptor disks, which are SATA 10000rpm. Sweet, right? > No! They are connected to Asus A7N8X MB, which has SiI3112 Serial ATA > (according to dmesg). > > hdparm -t shows TERRIBLE slow results. > /sbin/hdparm /dev/hde > > /dev/hde: > multcount = 16 (on) > IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) > unmaskirq = 0 (off) > using_dma = 0 (off) > keepsettings = 0 (off) > readonly = 0 (off) > readahead = 8 (on) > geometry = 4500/255/63, sectors = 72303840, start = 0 > > OK, now try with DMA turned on. Locks up machine. Here's what was logged: > > Nov 4 11:30:56 rpppc1 kernel: blk: queue c03c61e8, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask > 0xffffffff) > Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady > SeekComplete Error } > Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, > LBAsect=1099511642367, high=65536, low=14591, sector=0 > Nov 4 11:31:21 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 > > This is with kernel 2.4.20-20.9. It's not the Raptor drives that are at fault. I get >60 with hdparm -t. Your kernel doesn't do dma on the sata controller which will give you roughly a factor of 10 slower. Try a newer 2.4 kernel, the libata patches, or 2.6. -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 18:07:57 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:07:57 +0000 Subject: RHN? In-Reply-To: <3FA7E597.6000504@quinnteam.com> References: <3FA7E597.6000504@quinnteam.com> Message-ID: <1067969276.13443.358.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:44, Matthew Wellman wrote: > Hi All, > > I just subscribed today so this may have been asked already > I heard the announcement yesterday about RedHat not continuing support > on RHN for 7.1 - 9 > dose that mean Fedora will not be updated in this manor as well > or do they plan on continuing with updates in this fashion > > Matt Definitely check the archives. You will be able to use the up2date program to keep Fedora systems up to date, same as you may have used when using RHN. There may be a RHN fedora channel but I don't believe that's been decided. From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Tue Nov 4 18:09:47 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:09:47 -0600 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067969386.20030.193.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 09:23, Randy Vice wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- > > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. > > Agreed, and poor timing as well now that Novell/Ximian is buying out SuSE. > I'll DL Fedora when it's released, but I'm keeping a sharp on Novell's > Linux distro, they may be wanting to pick up those of us who don't fit in > RH's new scheme. Guess the next six months will be an interesting time to > see where the chips fall. > > Randy I don't see this as being bad timing at all. Actually quite the opposite, which is why I posted the Novell/SUSE release in the first place. The writing is on the wall regarding the major commercial distros, which is why Mandrake will be next. The commercial vendors must focus their core business model where there is revenue to be generated. No, not for the shareholders, but *most* importantly for their employees who depend upon the commercial vendors for regular paychecks that don't bounce. If you lose your employees, you can forget about the customers AND the shareholders...there won't be anything left to have equity in. If the commercial vendors remain financially viable, they are then in a position to be good citizens to the community at large. The RHEL/Fedora 'split', in my mind, was a proactive recognition by RH that they needed to change in a fundamental way to remain financially viable and importantly independent, while still remaining committed to the community at large. They did not have to do the latter, but did. If you gain marketshare in the broad corporate environment, that will eventually flow down to the small office and home user in time. The home desktop environment is not a financially viable market at this point for any distro, which is why Szulik came out and supports most home desktop users staying with Windows for the foreseeable future (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm). Those that have the skills or inclination to try Linux will do so, but that is a small percentage of the market...though it will increase over time. We can debate the facts, but the perceptions are the reality. Until the majority of home users can pick up the phone and call Dell, HP or Gateway, or walk into Best Buy, OfficeDepot or CompUSA and buy a PC with any Linux pre-installed and configured, the home desktop market (including SOHO) will not be broadly viable. It is also becoming increasingly apparent that as the major community based projects increase in size, the resources required to continue to support them require funding, which is a problem when most users want it (no, *expect* it) for free. So, people can donate money (not just time) to the community projects, corporations can fund them (ie. as RH and Sun are doing) or they become self-limiting. And...before you point to Debian, look here: http://www.debian.org/donations Consider all of the non-profit foundations that have been set up to cover the costs of the infrastructure required (ie. web sites, etc.) to support the major community projects. People may be willing to volunteer time, but there are other costs associated with these projects and in many cases the "hosts" at some point reach a limit in terms of what they can continue to provide without compensation. I for one hope that Fedora is successful. It can be the fertile ground for leading edge applications and technology, even if at some cost of stability. If it is successful, it likely means that RH is viable and can continue to contribute to the community at large. In that regard, RH can justify funding Fedora as the basis for an R&D platform that supports and feeds the paid-for Enterprise versions, which seems to be the message. Back to the original title of this thread...it is the basis for my hope. It shows that quality and not a calendar, is the priority. Ultimately, the marketplace, not evangelism, will determine where Fedora goes and where Linux in general goes. The seeds of OSS have been planted...it is up to us to water and fertilize them. If Fedora fails and you want a community based distro, then Debian may very well become the only viable option. Is that good or bad...time will tell. Marc From jakob.pietzka at frantic-risk.de Tue Nov 4 18:15:32 2003 From: jakob.pietzka at frantic-risk.de (jakob pietzka) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:15:32 +0100 Subject: ACPI in kernel 2.4.22-1.2115 Message-ID: hi, I have chosen to compile acpi static in the new kernel, but it didn't work. I can't see the battery statistic in kde. Is there a problem with laptopmode? Jakob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From monty19 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 4 18:09:58 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:09:58 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: You've never played Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Raven Shield or Ghost Recon with your good friends using Roger Wilco, Ventrillo, or the like until 3 AM on Friday night after a hard weeks work. Skulking about with Night Vision and coordinating assaults on terrorist complexes is just way too much fun. Now, I should probably be out looking for a new girlfriend so I can A.) Get laid B.) Stop gaming and C.) switch the last Windows computer to Linux. But if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux computer she's not even gonna know where to start, so then I'll be reinstalling Windows; well either reinstalling Windows or buying a Mac. And that's forgetting that I do work and like to keep current with a plethora of operating systems. It's really just a lose lose situation. Jason >I never understood the Games angle (I mean I play sometimes with >whatever's installed, but I don't ever HAVE to have Game X)... but if it's >important that much for a desktop distro... why not incorporate WineX? >It's cheap, at least the likes of Suse could easily include it, if their >CDs cost $$ anyway. (And mandrake caters specifically to home users...). From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Tue Nov 4 18:16:46 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:16:46 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <1067969806.2564.54.camel@Darkstar> I'd like to add something to what I had just sent. For every home user that buys a home computer they should have a license to do so. Just to say that they ave gone through a course in computer basics and they understand the concept of the OS in question. When you are in the tech support field, like I am, you get the stupidest questions from home users ( my cup holder is broken :( ), that a 9 year old could answer. Mike From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 18:18:50 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:18:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Trond Eivind [ISO-8859-1] Glomsr?d wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:28, Eric Wood wrote: > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > If you expect consumer hardware to just work (wireless, graphics card, > fancy gizmos bought at compusa) etc to just work, Matthew is right. The amusing thing here is that a lot of consumer hardware does just work. My radeon card just works in 3D mode with Redhat. TWO wireless cards I have tried worked fine with redhat, using "redhat-config-network" to set them up. My HP and epson printers just work, along with my CD writer, my sound card, and my SCSI card and scanner. Things that didn't or were a pain: a.) Lexmark printer (which officially "supports linux", but only through a very broken, outdated, buggy driver made for something like redhat 5). b.) Some noname USB scanner... I have. c.) My Webcam... there is linux support for it, but it isn't standard in redhat that it actually works without compiling things. > Driver availability and installation is one thing which is keeping Linux > back for those scenarios... and one of the things which is limiting > driver availability is that making a driver for 2.4, one for 2.6 and > putting it on a disk doesn't just work. There is a multitude of > versions, and unless you put a lot of work into glue (Nvidia) you're in > for a world of pain if trying to distribute binary drivers - which, > whether we like it or not, most hardware manufacturers want to. Well that is an attitude we have to change for the hardware vendors. It's too easy for them to limit choice, and we are about choice. What about when intel releases binary ony frivers for their wireless PCMCIA cards and we want to use them in a mac laptop? etc. Though this is part of what RHEL is about, it's "safe" to release binary drivers and software for, because there isn't a new version every month. I don't think driver support is so much of an issue, as is KNOWING about the driver support. If linux supports Chipset a32X, and that is used in some webcam.. phillips doesn't say "This webcam uses a32x!!", and so you don't know, until you plug it in and see. For example, does the apple iSight work in Linux? Likely it does, since it probably uses standard firewire protocols. But do you want to be the first one to spend the money and see? What about a bluetooth keyboard? I know enough people, I get to plug stuff in and see before I buy it. Otherwise, you go trudging through disorganized sites on the internet (with the exception of linuxprinting.org, very nice), so see what is supported and what isn't. > The corporate desktop is much easier to reach for, because it is a more > stable and less diverse target. -- noah silva From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 18:10:50 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:10:50 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311041310.50015.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 12:06 pm, Jason Montleon , > wrote: > And it's true. You aren't gonna get iTunes or Napster 2.0 for Linux > anytime soon, you won't see Half Life 2, Lock On: Modern Air Combat, or > Everquest II released at the same time as the Windows versions, and let's > face it; maybe not for you, or me, or most technically inclined people, but > it is harder to set up than a Mac and therefore too difficult for many. > But you can get you're productivity suite, browser, email client, etc. So > for many businesses it will be plenty suitable. That's also why the (other os) is commonly called "windtendo". You wanna play games, buy a Nintendo, or a "Wintendo". Only difference, the *price*... Elton >-)))) .... -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From teg at pvv.org Tue Nov 4 18:27:54 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:27:54 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104175953.GA30785@prince.homelinux.org> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <20031104175953.GA30785@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1067970473.6301.86.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:59, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Eric Wood staggered into view and mumbled: > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > It is a sad day for Linux, and Red Hat in particular. Why? First, universities and hackers were captured. Then the corporate servers... no longer just fringe servers the boss didn't know about. Now, it's moving onto the corporate desktop. It's progress, and this step, when successful will generate more driver support (and in time, hopefully a better way to deal with drivers). Who knows where it will go from there? The path is onward, with Linux maturing along the way. From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Nov 4 18:28:35 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:28:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <16952260.1067970515558.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> > ... But if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux computer ... someone definitely unclear on the concept. rday From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 18:29:27 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:29:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104175953.GA30785@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Eric Wood staggered into view and mumbled: > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > It is a sad day for Linux, and Red Hat in particular. Everyone knows that operating systems/applications and drivers > are a chicken-and-egg process. The more people there are using Linux, the more apps and drivers will become available. > Ans the more apps and drivers there are, the more people will use Linux. I have aggreed with everything RH has done up ... I agree with you 100%, but let me play devil's advocate: Redhat: The desktop is now ready for home users, we recommend everyont to download and install it tomorrow. It's free, it's wonderfull.. etc. Bob: Why are these files 600MB? Sue: What's am ISO? Rob: How come this CD with the .ISO file on there doesn't boot? Beavis: It installed ok, but where did my mp3 collection go? Ron: What's the difference between ext3 and JFS? Sally: I don't get it, where's Microsoft office? Matt: It won't let me reinstall marble madness? Judy: How come my sound doesn't work anymore? Nathan: How can I open those quicken files? etc.,etc. We all know linux is a better operating system, it is newer, faster, and yet older and more tested, etc.,etc.,etc. But if we encourage people to switch that will certainly fail... we just create stigma. People who just use a few apps will be fine. People who are true geeks probably already are using it. The "Power user" type with 400 shareware apps installed, and 30 USB gadgets... he might learn to like it, or he might get frustrated and tell all his friends how much it sucks. -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 18:22:38 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:22:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067968415.2564.38.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: > > It is harder to do in Linux because there are too many file formats to > consider; *.bin, *.tar.gz, *.rpm and there are others as well. How do > you incorporate them into an Add and Remove Program style of format. The > average user will need that. This is unfair. Window's "Add/remove programs" only works if windows "knows" about the program because it at least semi-properly used MSI. Likewise, linux only "knows" about a program being installed if you used an rpm or deb. If you just plop down EXE files in windows, they won't "add/remove" any more than they will in linux. .tar.gz should really only be for developers. At the very least, if you are going to make a different install system (like loki installer), it should have a way to communicate with the RPM database as well. > If all Linux was meant to do was to do emails, message someone, or to > write an essay it's great for the home user. It's stable, it won't crash > in the middle of something important and you really don't have to worry > that much about viruses. > > (there, my .02 cents worth) > -- noah silva From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 18:31:24 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:31:24 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104175953.GA30785@prince.homelinux.org> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <20031104175953.GA30785@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1067970684.13443.373.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:59, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Telling people to stay with > Micros**t Virusware and not to switch to Linux because of the current lack of apps and drivers that the home user is > expecting is not going to increase the availability of those apps and drivers that home users need. As a famous > mistical disembodied voice in the movie "Field of Dreams" once said, "If you build it, shey will come." So, we must > keep building Linux for the desktop. We must also, however, get more people using it, so that more people will help > build it. It is definitely dangerous, but then again, I don't think going after the desktop is a viable business proposition right now. He should be honest. I saw an analyst say that Novell now has an "enterprise-to-desktop" strategy. If that's right, what other software company has succeeded there? None (sorry, MS does NOT own the enterprise). Why will Novell be different? Umm...Linux? No, of course not. Let the corporate users pay for & improve hardware support for a bit longer; the great thing is that without them realizing it those improvements will be passed on to the community (thank you, RedHat + FAOS/GPL). When IBM or the German government can't run its Webcast software cause the hardware vendor hasn't got a linux driver, the vendor is going to get a lot of pressure. That's the type of process that is not finished now but will inexorably grind away at the one competitive advantage MS has: the stable revenue stream of a massive installed base. Increase that installed base -- e.g., by "enterprise" installations -- and in five years Redhat will be saying the opposite: Linux is now ready for the desktop. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 18:33:10 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:33:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > So when is the stable release of Fedora due out? > > > > > Yesterday, but from the release schedule page: "November 3 2003 - General > > Availability Delayed due to respin for several days, will be available as > > soon as possible." > > Yeah, that doesn't answer my question though. =) Next Monday? Next > month? "several days" sounds to me like... less than a week, certainly less than a month. > Since Fedora is for home/hobby folks, could the announcement be > worded a bit more in nontechnical terms? "Respin" is a new term for me, > and I've been using RH since 6.x days. I also was wondering what "respin" myself! (PR?) > Yeah, RHN is still there for me, but not for long. :\ Or is Fedora crew > planning a RHN service replacement? Depends what you used RHN for. If you just used it for updates, then you are getting expanded service. If you used the web management stuff, then you migth be disappointed. -- noah silva From damocles at thenostromo.com Tue Nov 4 18:33:28 2003 From: damocles at thenostromo.com (Randy Vice) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:33:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067969386.20030.193.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Marc Schwartz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 09:23, Randy Vice wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > So I don't think RedHat is wicked -- > > > I just think they may have made a commercial mistake. > > > > Agreed, and poor timing as well now that Novell/Ximian is buying out SuSE. > > I'll DL Fedora when it's released, but I'm keeping a sharp on Novell's > > Linux distro, they may be wanting to pick up those of us who don't fit in > > RH's new scheme. Guess the next six months will be an interesting time to > > see where the chips fall. > > > > Randy > > > I don't see this as being bad timing at all. Actually quite the > opposite, which is why I posted the Novell/SUSE release in the first > place. The writing is on the wall regarding the major commercial > distros, which is why Mandrake will be next. > > The commercial vendors must focus their core business model where there > is revenue to be generated. No, not for the shareholders, but *most* > importantly for their employees who depend upon the commercial vendors > for regular paychecks that don't bounce. If you lose your employees, you > can forget about the customers AND the shareholders...there won't be > anything left to have equity in. Question is, now that RH has "dumped" me, should I trust them a second time with RHE or go with Novell/SuSE for enterpise level support for my home server? Or will Fedora support be enough for my taste? Guess time will tell. Randy -- : damocles at TheNostromo.com : Bruce Morrow, a man before and after his time : : "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood : : of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson 11-13-1787 "Let's roll." : : Todd Beamer, American Patriot onboard United Airlines Flight 93 9-11-01 : : damocles at thenostromo.com http://www.thenostromo.com/ : From mitr at volny.cz Tue Nov 4 18:38:12 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:38:12 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <20031104183812.GA19911@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:53:42PM +0100, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > Driver availability and installation is one thing which is keeping Linux > back for those scenarios... and one of the things which is limiting > driver availability is that making a driver for 2.4, one for 2.6 and > putting it on a disk doesn't just work. That's why hardware vendors should be re-educated that they are selling hardware and contribute the driver to the kernel (or whatever the usual place for drivers for that kind of hardware is), or at least release the specifications. Long way to go still... Mirek From teg at pvv.org Tue Nov 4 18:30:40 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (Trond Eivind =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:30:40 +0100 Subject: [O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks In-Reply-To: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1067970640.6301.90.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:49, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I just got a pair of WD raptor disks, which are SATA 10000rpm. Sweet, right? > No! They are connected to Asus A7N8X MB, which has SiI3112 Serial ATA > (according to dmesg). [...] > This is with kernel 2.4.20-20.9. Fedora doesn't used 2.4.20-9.... wrong list? Anyway, I have the same board and a maxtor/seagate sata disks (7200 RPM/8 MB both). With the kernel you're using, I get a meg or two in transfer rate. With the fedora kernel (or my own) I get just above 50 MB/s. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 18:38:54 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Now, I should probably be out looking for a new girlfriend so I can A.) Get > laid B.) Stop gaming and C.) switch the last Windows computer to Linux. But > if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux computer she's not > even gonna know where to start, so then I'll be reinstalling Windows; well This isn't true. My windows using friends pick up gnome pretty quickly. My girlfriend uses linux.., and people that don't know windows well have an even easier time. I mean a web browser is a web browser, you click on a movie, it plays... gaim is self explanatory. You click on a .doc file, it opens. most things that someone else would want to do on my computer, they can figure out in about 10 seconds. > either reinstalling Windows or buying a Mac. And that's forgetting that I > do work and like to keep current with a plethora of operating systems. > > Jason -- noah silva From eric at interplas.com Tue Nov 4 18:39:09 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:39:09 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <006501c3a302$ef9cd240$9100000a@intgrp.com> Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > If you expect consumer hardware to just work (wireless, graphics card, > fancy gizmos bought at compusa) etc to just work > > The corporate desktop is much easier to reach for, because it is a > more stable and less diverse target. But because of its diverseness, Windows 98/ME and XP made it to the corporate desktop because it was easy to use at home, and people thought, "Hey, I'll use this at work." RH, to me, was attacking the Windows market on two fronts simultaneously, corporate (stability) and home (features). End users want stablilty, but all they ever talk about is features! For example, I bought a couple different USB jumpdrive things (and you must by psychic, from CompUSA), stuck 'em in and nothing happened on Fedora, but a drive letter simply comes up in ME/XP. It's lots of little things like that which yeild the kudos. And if my name is Linksys, HP, Canon, etc. and I hear that RH doesn't want or have a desire to appeal to home users any more, then why should I continue writing linux drivers? I'll be less motivated to do so - not really for them of course. ;-) Even if RH doesn't official support Fedora, which is fine, they really need to convey a tone that they still look forward to going after the home desktop with Fedora. I re-read http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html and it's just not there. But, maybe that's not what Fedora is about either.... dunno. -eric wood From gordo at bussefamily.net Tue Nov 4 18:41:58 2003 From: gordo at bussefamily.net (Gord Busse) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:41:58 -0700 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <200311041146.52406.darth_linux@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <00b401c3a303$57294e20$4602a8c0@gordo> Here's a little extra "change" for ya... I use Red Hat 9 every day at home and at work. I love it, although I have over ten years of experience working with various operating systems and hardware, so any issues that I may encounter in my day to day use of Red Hat 9 as a desktop operating system, I can usually figure out myself. My parents have a Mac running Max OS X 10.2. They love it, they never have a problem doing what they need to do on the computer... and it's based on BSD!!! And BSD is not really that much different from Linux. I cannot for the foreseeable future see myself installing Red Hat (or any other Linux for that matter) for any of my family members or friends as they are all at about the same level of computer knowledge. Some of them use Windows and some use Mac's and they are all happy as they can do everything they need to do with a minimum amount of hassle. My sister went out the other day and bought a Web Cam, brought it home and plugged it into her XP box and tada, it just worked. I didn't even have to go over to install anything for her. That said... if anyone was ever able to produce a Linux distro that is equal in user friendliness, hardware support and software compatibility to Mac OS X and XP then I would definitely consider installing for my family and friends, and even my 90 year old Grand Dad! Finally I have a question... with the amount of Open Source developers on the planet, why has there not been a desktop Linux distro developed yet that equals or even surpasses Mac OS X in user friendliness, hardware support and software compatibility. I am sure that it is not due to a lack of developers. Sure, Apple has lots of developers that are being paid full-time, but I am sure that there are many times those developers working part-time on Linux. So even if Apple has 10,000 (just a guess) full time paid developers working on OS X, if there are 100,000 (again just a guess) part-time hobby developers working on Linux... why hasn't Linux equaled or surpassed Mac OS X yet? Well that's all the extra "change" I've got... Gordo -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Hartwell Sent: November 4, 2003 9:47 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows? /* two cents and change But that's where LUG's and community support come into play. If the 90 year-old grand dad wants to install in Linux (or anyone else for that matter) there should be some Linux community representative around to lend a hand. (Where did grampa get teh Linux distro in the first place?) We linux people need to rise up and make our services know. Yeah yeah.. you wanna make a living off linux. go forth and do so. but remember that Linux is community driven - we need developers and computer users to help those around them. */ On Tuesday 04 November 2003 11:42 am, Matthias Saou wrote: > Eric Wood wrote : > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > ...and I would tend to agree with Matthew Szulik. Note the difference that > is made between home and corporate desktop : The (lower) average home user > has drastically different expectations then the corporate one : Games, > Multimedia most notably, vs. Productivity and Communication tools. > > When so few 3D graphic cards have free native X drivers, and patents > prevent the most popular multimedia formats from being supported in > GNU/Linux distributions, it's just not possible to compete fairly. > > Matthias -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nbecker at hns.com Tue Nov 4 18:43:43 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:43:43 -0500 Subject: [O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks In-Reply-To: <1067970640.6301.90.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> References: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> <1067970640.6301.90.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <200311041343.43224.nbecker@hns.com> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 01:30 pm, Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:49, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I just got a pair of WD raptor disks, which are SATA 10000rpm. Sweet, > > right? No! They are connected to Asus A7N8X MB, which has SiI3112 Serial > > ATA (according to dmesg). > > [...] > > > This is with kernel 2.4.20-20.9. > > Fedora doesn't used 2.4.20-9.... wrong list? Anyway, I have the same > board and a maxtor/seagate sata disks (7200 RPM/8 MB both). With the > kernel you're using, I get a meg or two in transfer rate. With the > fedora kernel (or my own) I get just above 50 MB/s. > Yes, I apoligize for the O/T post (that's why I said it was O/T), but it really isn't entirely O/T - because you answered my real question, which is whether I should try fedora to see if it fixes the problem. Thanks. From jmcdermo at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 18:44:48 2003 From: jmcdermo at redhat.com (James McDermott) Date: 04 Nov 2003 13:44:48 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067971487.4206.105.camel@dhcp59-231.rdu.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 13:18, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > The amusing thing here is that a lot of consumer hardware does just work. > My radeon card just works in 3D mode with Redhat. TWO wireless cards I > have tried worked fine with redhat, using "redhat-config-network" to set > them up. My HP and epson printers just work, along with my CD writer, my > sound card, and my SCSI card and scanner. Exactly. I haven't run into problems on decent hardware in a long time. Some of the major manufacturers have taken this approach and basically use whiteboxes with seperate components for their internals. If all else fails though, you dont want to build a box, and you dont want to research hardware... and you dont want to spend much... go to walmart.com and order a linux or no-os pc:) If you can spend a few bucks more, check out the other major manufacturers for Redhat OS boxen. > I know enough people, I get to plug stuff in and see before I buy it. > Otherwise, you go trudging through disorganized sites on the internet > (with the exception of linuxprinting.org, very nice), so see what is > supported and what isn't. Sounds like a nice database of compatible hardware would be nice. The hardware test scripts are open and available for download from hardware.redhat.com. From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 18:49:41 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:49:41 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <006501c3a302$ef9cd240$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <006501c3a302$ef9cd240$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1067971781.13443.381.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:39, Eric Wood wrote: > But because of its diverseness, Windows 98/ME and XP made it to the > corporate desktop because it was easy to use at home, and people thought, > "Hey, I'll use this at work." No way dude -- PCs made it to the home because they were used at work (good for RH's argument) and because you HAD to play Wing Commander (bad for RH's argument). > RH, to me, was attacking the Windows market on two fronts simultaneously, > corporate (stability) and home (features). End users want stablilty, but > all they ever talk about is features! For example, I bought a couple > different USB jumpdrive things (and you must by psychic, from CompUSA), > stuck 'em in and nothing happened on Fedora, but a drive letter simply comes > up in ME/XP. It's lots of little things like that which yeild the kudos. This is exactly why RH doesn't want to do both, I think. > And if my name is Linksys, HP, Canon, etc. and I hear that RH doesn't want > or have a desire to appeal to home users any more, then why should I > continue writing linux drivers? I'll be less motivated to do so - not > really for them of course. ;-) Nope -- because HP and Canon will die if enterprise customers can't use their printers. Same even with linksys and Intel. > Even if RH doesn't official support Fedora, which is fine, they really need > to convey a tone that they still look forward to going after the home > desktop with Fedora. Yes, I think that it would be nice to see a target of "enthusiasts now, home users later" published; or that just as publicly negated so everyone knows where RH stands. Still, I think "enthusiasts" are very close to "early-adopters" so RH is still well-hedged by being exposed to that market. From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 18:53:05 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (marcos colome) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:53:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067970473.6301.86.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> Message-ID: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Rehat has abandoned the desktop and the people that made them a great distro and now they turned they attention to the Corporate world because they are after the big profits, but remember that Microsoft made all they billions from the Home consumers not from the corporate world --- Trond Eivind Glomsr?d wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:59, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > > Eric Wood staggered into view and mumbled: > > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > > > > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in > Fedora? > > > > It is a sad day for Linux, and Red Hat in > particular. > > Why? First, universities and hackers were captured. > Then the corporate > servers... no longer just fringe servers the boss > didn't know about. > Now, it's moving onto the corporate desktop. > > It's progress, and this step, when successful will > generate more driver > support (and in time, hopefully a better way to deal > with drivers). Who > knows where it will go from there? > > The path is onward, with Linux maturing along the > way. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 18:53:13 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:53:13 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <00b401c3a303$57294e20$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <00b401c3a303$57294e20$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <1067971993.13443.385.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:41, Gord Busse wrote: > Finally I have a question... with the amount of Open Source developers > on the planet, why has there not been a desktop Linux distro developed > yet that equals or even surpasses Mac OS X in user friendliness, > hardware support and software compatibility. I am sure that it is not > due to a lack of developers. Sure, Apple has lots of developers that are > being paid full-time, but I am sure that there are many times those > developers working part-time on Linux. So even if Apple has 10,000 (just > a guess) full time paid developers working on OS X, if there are 100,000 > (again just a guess) part-time hobby developers working on Linux... why > hasn't Linux equaled or surpassed Mac OS X yet? Probably because the two goals are different (ease-of-use versus use) and the hardware problems of different scales (how much commodity hardware is supported by OS X?). That said I think both Apple and the open-source movement probably have a lot fewer developers than you think...and there's also the coordination and guidance that a company like Apple brings versus what the open-source community has. Not that FAOS is bad at all... From john at aylwards.com Tue Nov 4 18:56:54 2003 From: john at aylwards.com (John Aylward) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:56:54 -0000 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067921134.6462.195.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: Help! I've looked through archives, google etc. but can't find an answer to my current prob ... Both up2date and apt keep telling me there are no updates when there are. If I run up2date it comes back with a list of packages but says they are 0 bytes and I can't proceed. Opening the port on the firewall and shutting down the firewall altogether didn't help. Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dams Sent: 04 November 2003 04:46 To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Try http://rpm.livna.org/ This repository is based upon fedora.us rules and packaging guidelines. It will (hopefully soon) be open to anybody wanting to provide good contribs. D Le mar 04/11/2003 ? 03:07, Jim Cornette a ?crit : > I agree with all the statements above. My only worries surround getting > a hold of repos with questionable programs available. -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. From akillian at footlocker.com Tue Nov 4 18:31:07 2003 From: akillian at footlocker.com (Adam Killian) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:31:07 -0500 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067970665.2976.8.camel@akillianp4> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:31, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > At this time, RHN does not have Fedora channels. Even if that were > to change, the update process for Fedora is different from the errata > process for Red Hat's OS products, so RHN would be a source of updates, > not really the management tool you are used to. > Does this mean that things like instant ISOs, hardware/software inventory, etc. Will all be unavailable for Fedora systems? To put it more bluntly, if I only plan to run Fedora (and not any version of RHEL), is there any reason at all for me to pony up my $60 to renew my RHN subscription? Adam From monty19 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 4 18:53:15 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:53:15 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: I'm clear on the concept. Revisit point A. It's just that sooner or later they always want to tell their parents and friends that they are alive and well and haven't disappeared off the face of the earth. Sometimes they call, sometimes they e-mail, sometimes they text message, sometimes they IM (all possible with Linux I might add.) But it's inevitable; sooner or later the parents get involved *shudder* Jason >> ... But if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux computer ... > >someone definitely unclear on the concept. > >rday From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 18:58:50 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:58:50 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067972330.13443.393.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:53, marcos colome wrote: > Rehat has abandoned the desktop and the people that > made them a great distro and now they turned they > attention to the Corporate world because they are > after the big profits, but remember that Microsoft > made all they billions from the Home consumers not > from the corporate world With legally-verified monopolistic practices, an installed userbase, and little competition. The situation here is only slightly different. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:01:02 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:01:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <00b401c3a303$57294e20$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: > My parents have a Mac running Max OS X 10.2. They love it, they never > have a problem doing what they need to do on the computer... and it's > based on BSD!!! And BSD is not really that much different from Linux. I > cannot for the foreseeable future see myself installing Red Hat (or any > other Linux for that matter) for any of my family members or friends as > they are all at about the same level of computer knowledge. Some of them > use Windows and some use Mac's and they are all happy as they can do > everything they need to do with a minimum amount of hassle. My sister > went out the other day and bought a Web Cam, brought it home and plugged > it into her XP box and tada, it just worked. I didn't even have to go > over to install anything for her. And think about this: Only some hardware will work in 2000 or XP *without* installing drivers. In fact, it seems to me that more things "just work" in redhat than in windows 2000. If you do have to install a driver, that's usually easier in W2k than linux though. But since you mention Mac. Mac doesn't support _near_ the range of hardware as windows does, but people know what to buy. It's very clear when something supports it. If it doesn't say it does.. it might, it might not. We all know that most USB keyboards and mice will work with windows, mac, or linux... but a Mac user will buy a keyboard that says "Mac OS X" on the box, or an iSight, because they know it will work. We can't expect all of the vendors to run out tomorrow and start stamping "Works in linux!" on the box, but someone could at least provide a centralized resource to find out what does and doean't work out of the box in linux. I think that attempting to support all current mac perhiperals would be a good start. the number is smaller, the products are mostly USB and firewire, and they already work in a unix based OS. It would be very powerful to say "anything that works in Mac OS X works with Linux". Apple also has already been "nice" to the OSS niche, releasing sources and all. > Finally I have a question... with the amount of Open Source developers > on the planet, why has there not been a desktop Linux distro developed > yet that equals or even surpasses Mac OS X in user friendliness, Because "user friendliness" is an opinion, and developers see things differently than end users. The people working at apple... well I dont' think the coders make the design decisions a lot of the time, "usability experts" and graphics artists make a lot of decisions. This is a much more recent thing in the OSS world. Until recently, the more options and switches it had, the cooler it was. > hardware support and software compatibility. I am sure that it is not > due to a lack of developers. Sure, Apple has lots of developers that are > being paid full-time, but I am sure that there are many times those > developers working part-time on Linux. So even if Apple has 10,000 (just > a guess) full time paid developers working on OS X, if there are 100,000 > (again just a guess) part-time hobby developers working on Linux... why > hasn't Linux equaled or surpassed Mac OS X yet? As far as hardware, apple can find something that's compatible, and the hardware vendor will gladly add the apple logo to the box. If apple can't find something compatible, they can twist arms to have compatibility added, and finally, sometimes they just design something themselves, then they get a cut of the hardware business. Hobbiest developers, no matter how smart, can't go to Logitech and say "We demand the next QuickCam support linux!", they'll get laughed at. If you were working at logitech, you'd laugh at them too. If you were nice, you would give out the specs to make it work... but not everyone sees the value in that .. yet. But it's starting to happen on the server side already. With more companies starting to use linux on the desktop, it's only a matter of time. When companies, Novell, redhat, and IBM are nagging logitech and others.. there will be a very quick change of attitude. When giving up the specs to your web cam means thousands or more in sales, it's an easy trade-off. (and wait until they realize that theywon't always have to keep up with OS releases on their own anymore!) -- noah silva From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Nov 4 19:02:09 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:02:09 -0400 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1067970665.2976.8.camel@akillianp4> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067970665.2976.8.camel@akillianp4> Message-ID: <1067972529.24302.3.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:31, Adam Killian wrote: > To put it more bluntly, if I only plan to run Fedora (and not any > version of RHEL), is there any reason at all for me to pony up my $60 to > renew my RHN subscription? Did you read https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ ? I believe it was linked to in the e-mail you got from RHN. Pay special attention to questions #3, #9, and #10. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 19:02:51 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 04 Nov 2003 17:02:51 -0200 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2003, "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" wrote: > Redhat could have saved themselves a lot > of grief by calling this "Redhat 10" ;). Assuming you mean Red Hat (TM), instead of Redhat (a poor attempt at disguising the trademark :-), the reason (or at least one of the reasons) Red Hat renamed the project was to enable third parties to burn CDs and commercialize them without the risk of invalidating any rights it has to the Red Hat trademark. IANAL, but that's my understanding. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 19:01:40 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:01:40 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067969806.2564.54.camel@Darkstar> References: <1067969806.2564.54.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <1067972500.13443.395.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:16, Mike Lurk wrote: > you get the stupidest questions from home > users ( my cup holder is broken :( ), that a 9 year old could answer. Thankfully, you are right. Most 9 year olds can already answer that question, and they will grow up someday. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:04:44 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:04:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, marcos colome wrote: > Rehat has abandoned the desktop and the people that > made them a great distro and now they turned they > attention to the Corporate world because they are > after the big profits, but remember that Microsoft > made all they billions from the Home consumers not > from the corporate world > which financial statement did you read this from?! They make plenty of money from both. Lately they have realized that the desktop market is tapped out, and starte trying to compete with Oracle, Peoplesoft, SAP, etc. They may have more home customers, but home customers don't buy expensive ERP and SQL databases. If Microsoft has large success here, and doesn't offer linux support, we have problems, because people using linux will have fewer choices than people using windows. Ironic? -- noah silva From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Nov 4 19:04:12 2003 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:04:12 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora Message-ID: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47FD7@Remailnt1> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randy Vice >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:50 PM >> >> Yeah, that doesn't answer my question though. =) Next Monday? >> Next month? Sounds like late this week or early next week from all that's been said. >> Since Fedora is for home/hobby folks, could the >> announcement be worded a bit more in nontechnical terms? >> "Respin" is a new term for me, and I've been using RH since >> 6.x days. Respin was a new word for me, also. Until I realized I was pronouncing it wrong, I didn't get it at all. I was making it res-pin. But re-spin (spin again) makes it more apparent. Re-spinning the master disk or some such. -- Henry From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:08:26 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:08:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1067970665.2976.8.camel@akillianp4> Message-ID: > > Does this mean that things like instant ISOs, hardware/software > inventory, etc. Will all be unavailable for Fedora systems? > > To put it more bluntly, if I only plan to run Fedora (and not any > version of RHEL), is there any reason at all for me to pony up my $60 to > renew my RHN subscription? he he he.. I think the point is.. not many people were ponying it up before, and everyone realized that they could do most everything rhn offered for free. There already was YUM and APT, and people already downloaded ISOs on bittorrent faster than "Instant ISO". I think redhat found it easier to "go with the flow". You could buy the subscrition for the same reason I bought Ximian Desktop and StarOffice.. donation ;) > Adam -- noah silva p.s.: maybe some from redhat can more accurately answer you. From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Nov 4 19:08:37 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:08:37 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA7F935.4050705@atl.lmco.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > We can't expect all of the vendors to run out tomorrow and start stamping > "Works in linux!" on the box, but someone could at least provide a > centralized resource to find out what does and doean't work out of the box > in linux. Linksys NICs have carried a Tux sticker for at least a couple of years now. As for a listing, RedHat already does that: http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/ > > I think that attempting to support all current mac perhiperals would be a > good start. the number is smaller, the products are mostly USB and > firewire, and they already work in a unix based OS. It would be very > powerful to say "anything that works in Mac OS X works with Linux". Apple > also has already been "nice" to the OSS niche, releasing sources and all. > > Good idea. -- ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:10:42 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:10:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Nov 4, 2003, "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" wrote: > > > Redhat could have saved themselves a lot > > of grief by calling this "Redhat 10" ;). > > Assuming you mean Red Hat (TM), instead of Redhat (a poor attempt at > disguising the trademark :-), the reason (or at least one of the I just think of it as one word in the context of linux. > reasons) Red Hat renamed the project was to enable third parties to > burn CDs and commercialize them without the risk of invalidating any > rights it has to the Red Hat trademark. IANAL, but that's my > understanding. No more "Pink Tie"?? ;( -- noah silva From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Nov 4 19:13:15 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:13:15 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. A significant potential market segment is being blown away. Bob Eric Wood wrote: > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > -eric wood > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 18:07:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:07:36 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <200311041307.36071.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 11:28 am, Eric Wood , > wrote: > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > > -eric wood No, Red Hat hasn't lost confidence in their products. Actually, the title of the article IMO, was more for 'sensationalism' than anything else. In case you missed it, at the bottom of that same page: "SuSE's 64-bit Linux seeks unhappy Windows users" ... written by the very same journalist. This calls to mind the story of a dog called August. He always jumped to conclusions. One day, he jumped at the conclusion of a mule. They buried him the next day ... the 1st of September. How do I know? ... because it was the "last of August". LOL! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From gordo at bussefamily.net Tue Nov 4 19:17:58 2003 From: gordo at bussefamily.net (Gord Busse) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:17:58 -0700 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE Message-ID: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. Well I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it taking Linux VERY seriously. http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 19:20:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:20:30 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311041420.30262.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 01:09 pm, Jason Montleon , > wrote: > if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux computer she's > not even gonna know where to start, really??? whatever happened to bringing her home to "show her your etchings"??? [ducking swiftly] ... sorry, I couldn't resist! Elton :))))))..... -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From bcs at metacon.ca Tue Nov 4 19:27:00 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1067974019.24302.9.camel@zephyr> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:13, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you > with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and > money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. > A significant potential market segment is being blown away. How d'you figure? Red Hat no longer *supports* a consumer product, but the product still exists as Fedora Core. Since Red Hat doesn't support it, someone will have to... RHCEs and RHCTs, obviously. And I'm sure RHCEs and RHCTs will have no trouble finding work in enterprises who've purchased RHEL -- it's always good to have a guru or two on staff. You people who are spitting so much vitrol over this fail to see the big picture: anything that makes a Linux company more viable is a GOOD THING in the grand scheme of things. With Novell buying SuSE and Red Hat releasing both a viable Enterprise solution and a fast-evolving consumer product, I'd say this has been a banner week for Linux. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Nov 4 19:20:18 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:20:18 +0100 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1067970665.2976.8.camel@akillianp4> <1067972529.24302.3.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <3FA7FBF2.3070005@wanadoo.es> Ben Steeves wrote: > Did you read https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ ? I believe > it was linked to in the e-mail you got from RHN. > > Pay special attention to questions #3, #9, and #10. I sent it, time ago: http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-November/msg00097.html -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 19:23:14 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:23:14 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067969806.2564.54.camel@Darkstar> References: <1067969806.2564.54.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <200311041423.14499.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 01:16 pm, Mike Lurk , > wrote: > I'd like to add something to what I had just sent. For every home user > that buys a home computer they should have a license to do so. Just to > say that they ave gone through a course in computer basics and they > understand the concept of the OS in question. When you are in the tech Not a bad idea. One requires a licence to drive the highways and byways with an automobile or other vehicle, it makes sense that one should have a "licence" (i.e. _some_ basic training) to travel the increasingly perilous "InfoBahn"... Alas, common-sense in humans is a paradox. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From scott at eardown.com Tue Nov 4 19:29:50 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:29:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <200311041420.30262.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311041420.30262.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <55511.66.167.157.242.1067974190.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > On November 4, 2003 01:09 pm, Jason Montleon , > wrote: > >> if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux computer she's >> not even gonna know where to start, > > really??? whatever happened to bringing her home to "show her > your etchings"??? > > [ducking swiftly] > ... sorry, I couldn't resist! > > Elton :))))))..... > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > That's not typically where I would start on the 1st date...maybe the 2nd ;-) From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:32:45 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:32:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <3FA7F935.4050705@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Douglas Stewart wrote: > Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > We can't expect all of the vendors to run out tomorrow and start stamping > > "Works in linux!" on the box, but someone could at least provide a > > centralized resource to find out what does and doean't work out of the box > > in linux. > > Linksys NICs have carried a Tux sticker for at least a couple of years now. And so do lexmark Inkjets, which really suck to actually use in linux! ;) > As for a listing, RedHat already does that: > http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/ But, like mandrake's, it is woefully lacking. For example, the "Apple Pro keyboard" (comes with current apple desktops) works perfectly in RH, and the "special keys" are assignable if you use ACME (except the power key). Apple probably hasn't listed it as certified, because.. it isn't their intended market. Redhat hasn't bothered because.. well how many enterprise customers with PCs would buy PCs from Dell and then Kayboards from apple? Much less for servers, where people don't even use the keyboard? This is the sort of thing only home users try. One day I figured "Hey, if my PowerMac running linux supports this keyboard, that means the linux kernel supports it... so it would work on a PC running linux too.." Truthfully, the keyboard probably isn't very special other than it's "apple looking". I think mandrake has the right idea, things can be listed on their HCL as "known not to work", "known to work", "certified by mandrake", and "certified by vendor". But if mandrake has one, linuxprinting.org has one, redhat has one.. ugh... One central database would be much better. What's more, If I were the linux vendor, I would spend some small percentage of cash buying random toys and seeing if they work, and how easily they can be made to work. Immagine if redhat.com had a section, "hardware" -> "I want to buy a..." -> "webcam". and then it gave a listing: "These webcams are known to work 100% perfectly, out of the box in redhat 9, FC1, and RHEL 3", and a list. Then "These web cams can be made to work, but may require additional software installation and/or drivers". If I were selling hardware, I can't immagine not wanting to be on that list! Even if linux users are only 2% of the market... do YOU want to give up 2% of sales you coudl have had? > > I think that attempting to support all current mac perhiperals would be a > > good start. the number is smaller, the products are mostly USB and ... > > also has already been "nice" to the OSS niche, releasing sources and all. > > Good idea. I liked it, but then I use a lot of mac perhiperals, on my PC, in linux ;) -- noah silva From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 19:28:41 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:28:41 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311041428.41742.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 01:18 pm, Noah Silva [Mailing list] , <"Noah Silva [Mailing list]" > wrote: > Things that didn't or were a pain: > a.) Lexmark printer (which officially "supports linux", but only through a > very broken, outdated, buggy driver made for something like redhat 5). > b.) Some noname USB scanner... I have. > c.) My Webcam... there is linux support for it, but it isn't standard in > redhat that it actually works without compiling things. I respectfully suggest: you ought to check out hardware compatibility before purchasing. There are innumerable sources, including linux newsgroups, where you can get this information. Would you normally buy a car or house, without doing some prior 'test drive' or verification of the premises? I used to make that same mistake. Thankfully, I learned my lesson (under OS/2) so that when I migrated to linux, I had already formed the habit of *investigating* before handing over my dollars, escudos, krona, whatever.... ... and no, I don't consider myself 'superior to you' ... just a little more experienced, and a "wary" shopper... cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From scott at eardown.com Tue Nov 4 19:28:28 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:28:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <55481.66.167.157.242.1067974108.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. Well > I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it taking > Linux VERY seriously. > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I know a few guys who I use to work with and now work for Novell. They told me some of the things that they had planned down the road...but I think that this is one of Novell's smarter moves, to try and jump right back in as a leading contender like they were in the 90's. Linux all the way...that's what I say! From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 19:32:50 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:32:50 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200311041432.50644.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 01:53 pm, marcos colome , > wrote: > Rehat has abandoned the desktop and the people that > made them a great distro and now they turned they What utter (*expletive deleted*) rubbish!! > attention to the Corporate world because they are > after the big profits, but remember that Microsoft > made all they billions from the Home consumers not > from the corporate world Maybe because Red Hat is not as dishonest, arrogant, and greedy... But Red Hat (TM) is not going to go away anytime soon. How do you expect Red Hat to pay their programmers and contiune to develop good software? With wind instead of cold, hard cash? .... oops, sorry! ... just realised I got TROLLED! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 19:34:14 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:34:14 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1067974454.13443.404.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 19:13, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you > with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and > money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. > A significant potential market segment is being blown away. Your bankable take-home potential should increase; enterprises pay more. I don't get anything for supporting my friends & family. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:34:27 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:34:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you > with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and > money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. > A significant potential market segment is being blown away. I don't get this. If I get RHCE, it would be to put on my resume to prove to a company that I know linux. How has this changed? I am sure Future FHCE tests will center acount RHEL, but I am also sure if you know RHEL, you know fedora. -- noah silva From scott at eardown.com Tue Nov 4 19:33:42 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067974019.24302.9.camel@zephyr> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> <1067974019.24302.9.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <55653.66.167.157.242.1067974422.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:13, Robert L Cochran wrote: >> I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you >> with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and >> money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. >> A significant potential market segment is being blown away. > > How d'you figure? Red Hat no longer *supports* a consumer product, but > the product still exists as Fedora Core. Since Red Hat doesn't support > it, someone will have to... RHCEs and RHCTs, obviously. > > And I'm sure RHCEs and RHCTs will have no trouble finding work in > enterprises who've purchased RHEL -- it's always good to have a guru or > two on staff. > > You people who are spitting so much vitrol over this fail to see the big > picture: anything that makes a Linux company more viable is a GOOD THING > in the grand scheme of things. With Novell buying SuSE and Red Hat > releasing both a viable Enterprise solution and a fast-evolving consumer > product, I'd say this has been a banner week for Linux. > > > -- > Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca > The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca > against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 > http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Nice to see that some people haven't lost faith :) From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 19:35:19 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:35:19 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104183812.GA19911@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <20031104183812.GA19911@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <200311041435.19493.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 01:38 pm, Miloslav Trmac , > wrote: > That's why hardware vendors should be re-educated that they are selling > hardware and contribute the driver to the kernel (or whatever the usual Sounds Completely Original to me... <*snicker*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From dgenn at rogers.com Tue Nov 4 19:37:36 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:37:36 -0500 Subject: 3com 3c905x cards and Kudzu problems? In-Reply-To: <3FA79AFA.7070708@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031104193720.SQMB489038.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> I am running an up2date on my fresh Fedora test3 install. I know the 2.6 series kernel does not have this problem with Kudzu and the 3com cards with Fedora. I will see if the updated kernel and kudzu fixes this issue. Dan -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cornette Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:27 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: 3com 3c905x cards and Kudzu problems? DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > I have had the same problem with my pci 3c905x card > initializing with Fedora since beta2 and it still exists in the current > beta. I have some pretty good basic hardware an ASUS P2B BX based > mainboard and P3 500 with 396 MB ram etc. All supported hardware that > worked like a charm with Redhat since release 7.0 to 9. Same card, but from 5.2 to 9, worked OK. What I found > with Fedora was that the card did not initialize properly at boot > therefore no IP. Mine cried check cable, it might be unplugged. The problem is with Kudzu running at boot and this card > initializing. If I turn off Kudzu at the boot run level (through > chkconfig) and reboot the network card works like a charm and > initializes. If I boot with Kudzu on then stop Kudzu and try restarting > the network service eth0 still fails to initialize. I have to have Kudzu > off during boot for the 3c905X to work. Very weird. Anyone know of a > workaround or solution to this without turning Kudzu off? I am using > kernel 2.4.22-1.2088.nptl. So kudzu is interferring with the NIC, even though kudzu would not change any configuration settings? If this is the case, no wonder the problem was so hard to remedy. Does kudzu do detection using IRQ 10, as the 3com NIC uses? My NIC that uses IRQ 11 and still a 3com doesn't have this problem. I swapped out the IRQ 10 (boomerang) until this problem can be resolved. Jim > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Dan > -- Someone is speaking well of you. How unusual! , -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From eric at interplas.com Tue Nov 4 19:43:28 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:43:28 -0500 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <009801c3a30b$eb7fe0e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> I've already got long-time RH users in my linux users group jumping ship to debian and suse. Novell will certainly have to prove themselves. There's no way they dropped $210 million just to kill squash a particular linux distro. -eric Gord Busse wrote: > Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. > Well I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it > taking Linux VERY seriously. > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html From bkoz at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 19:39:18 2003 From: bkoz at redhat.com (Benjamin Kosnik) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:39:18 -0600 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <200311041420.30262.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311041420.30262.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031104133918.6384b177.bkoz@redhat.com> >really??? whatever happened to bringing her home to "show her >your etchings"??? LOL! ... and I thought I was the only person left on the world who had heard of this line. I recently told my wife about this and she thought it was hysterical. -benjamin From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Tue Nov 4 19:39:45 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:39:45 -0600 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067974785.20030.272.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:33, Randy Vice wrote: > Question is, now that RH has "dumped" me, should I trust them a second > time with RHE or go with Novell/SuSE for enterpise level support for my > home server? Or will Fedora support be enough for my taste? Guess time > will tell. > > > > > Randy That is your choice. If you see it as being dumped, you are free to go elsewhere, as is any customer of any company. You have a choice, as long as the other vendors are also financially viable and around to provide you that choice. We are just beginning to see the shake-out of the commercial Linux market and it will take time for the dust to settle, maybe a few years. Is RH taking a risk here? Sure....but the bigger risk is to do nothing. People are hesitant when there is change, because change means unknowns... Fedora Support is community based. If you need to be able to call somebody, then Fedora is not for you. Simple decision. That leaves you with few other choices for paid professional support. Novell/SUSE is an unproven commodity at this point, given Novell's less than stellar past history with acquisitions. Maybe they will get it right this time, maybe not. Management changes can result in fundamental direction changes for companies, despite SUSE's past history. If you think that this forum has a spectrum of opinion, go read SlashDot, where all the KDE advocates are concerned about the Novell/SUSE/Ximian triangle, SUSE users are concerned about Novell's ability to do this well and yet others about a U.S. company taking over a European distro.... Personally, I would rather see RH financially viable, rather than trying to be everything to everybody. If that means that they have to give up 20% of their present market (or whatever that number is) to achieve that goal, so be it. I am a firm believer in Pareto's 80/20 Rule: 1. Develop a product to meet the needs of 80% of your target marketplace. Meeting the needs of the other 20% will bankrupt you. There is also something in business known as "opportunity cost". If I have finite funds and resources, where do I put them? Do I allocate them to something that has a small chance of being profitable or something that has a larger chance of being profitable? Guess where I allocate my finite resources? The Linux desktop today is not profitable and until fundamental changes take place in the market, that will continue to be the case. That goes for the home web/ftp server market as well... Those of us, myself included, who paid for RHN, more thank likely got off cheaply, because it is my guess that the revenues from the larger enterprise customers subsidized the costs for us small business users. If the desktop/small business RHN service was stand-alone profitable, I suspect that we would not be engaged in this debate. If Novell/SUSE/Ximian sees this as an opportunity to take desktop share away from RH, let them go after it. There is nothing like a little competition to drive people. If they can help make it a viable market, ultimately, that will help everyone. In a high tide, everybody's boat floats higher. However, there is no guarantee of that near term. Marc From fedora at warmcat.com Tue Nov 4 19:45:14 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:45:14 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311041945.15657.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 04 November 2003 18:38, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > This isn't true. My windows using friends pick up gnome pretty quickly. > My girlfriend uses linux.., and people that don't know windows well have > an even easier time. I mean a web browser is a web browser, you click on > a movie, it plays... gaim is self explanatory. You click on a .doc file, > it opens. most things that someone else would want to do on my computer, > they can figure out in about 10 seconds. Yep, my wife and kids are all on KDE here, faced with Mozilla and OO they sorted themselves out. The kids found all the control panel customization and sorted it themselves. The caveat is that you need a geek behind the curtain at the moment to get the thing to the stage of double-clicking on movies make them play in a good way, printers get talked to, /etc/X11/XF86Config is looking good to play a game, etc. The need for geek intervention is shrivelling but its not at or near zero yet. I think everyone can agree with this.... its not at zero for Windows either, but its lower right now. Still, that guy, and maybe Redhat as a whole needs to go on a communication course... look at all the people turning up worried here, people on various other mls I subscribe to are concerned and doubtful about this heyar RH9 -> Fedora thing. If the message is that there's nothing to worry about, you won't have to reinstall every 3 months, which it seems to be, then the message isn't getting out in a great way to people who have mindshare and installshare with RH. Maybe after the first release and the security updates start flying things will clam down, but today to many people Fedora is a frightening convulsion in RHland. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qAHKjKeDCxMJCTIRAuFXAKCCXjbUmFntcnlDL/vdnNpTgnRRewCfWcb+ rbNfdcqAZioH3+T6SbbD1ng= =G4p5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lowen at pari.edu Tue Nov 4 19:47:49 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:47:49 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200311041447.49292.lowen@pari.edu> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 01:53 pm, marcos colome wrote: > Rehat has abandoned the desktop and the people that > made them a great distro and now they turned they > attention to the Corporate world Desktop != home user. > because they are > after the big profits, but remember that Microsoft > made all they billions from the Home consumers not > from the corporate world Prove it. Fact is, Microsoft makes more money in the corporate world. Home users aren't going to pay the big bucks for Win 2003 server, the CALs that that requires, etc. The big bucks are in the datacenter. Ever priced a datacenter edition of Win2k server? The home market is almost a giveaway with the licensing MS has with the OEM's. Home users aren't the ones that have bought Office Professional, typically. Or the development tools. Ever priced a subscription to MSDN? ISTM that Red Hat is just trying to survive so that they can continue payrolling some of the key Linux kernel hackers, desktop warriors, and GNU Compiler Collection developers (no, they don't employ all of them, but they do employ many of them). STM that Red Hat needs to be profitable; their marketing people have determined that in order to be profitable they need to not let large amounts of boxed sets waste away in a warehouse. You have to cut costs and increase revenues to do so. They are, after all, contributing a great deal back into open source software. Money doesn't grow on trees, you know. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 19:49:56 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:49:56 -0500 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... Message-ID: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> You might want to have a look at this: http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, BROADCOM, ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES MONTREAL, QC Oct. 27, 2003 ... and it's "Made in Canada"! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:51:17 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:51:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <200311041428.41742.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: > I respectfully suggest: you ought to check out hardware compatibility > before purchasing. There are innumerable sources, including linux > newsgroups, where you can get this information. Oh, -I- do.. I am just pointing out that sometimes it is very difficult to find. Not everyone can borrow random stuff from their geeky friends like me either. > Would you normally buy a car or house, without doing some prior > 'test drive' or verification of the premises? I used to make that Of course, but, as an example. If the iSight works, I would love to have one, but even google hasn't helped me there, and none of my friends have one I can borrow. Do I buy it from the store, knowing full well I might return it? And then what about more normal consumers.. a centralized place would be nice. > same mistake. Thankfully, I learned my lesson (under OS/2) so > that when I migrated to linux, I had already formed the habit of > *investigating* before handing over my dollars, escudos, krona, > whatever.... > > ... and no, I don't consider myself 'superior to you' ... just a little > more experienced, and a "wary" shopper... Oh, believe me, I am wary. I used to use OS/2 too, and also Atari ST. I even have to watch out for "Works on linux" claims! Sometimes it means "works only on x86 linux on standard distros", and if it comes from lexmark, it might mean "works just well enough that we can claim it works, but it isn't realistic to actually use". Also, just because there is a kernel module for it, doesn't mean it is up to date and convenient. > cheers, > > Elton ;-) > -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 19:55:52 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:55:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067974454.13443.404.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 19:13, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you > > with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and > > money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. > > A significant potential market segment is being blown away. > > Your bankable take-home potential should increase; enterprises pay > more. I don't get anything for supporting my friends & family. > LOL - the REAL reason behind the name change comes out! "sorry mom, I know you think I know linux, but the RH in RHCE stands for RedHat. I am not a FCCE, so I can't help you!" -- noah From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 19:58:10 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:58:10 +0000 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 19:49, Elton Woo wrote: > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, BROADCOM, > ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES A great candidate for Fedora / Fedora extras, license permitting... From notting at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 19:59:01 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:59:01 -0500 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:49:56PM -0500 References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031104145901.A11008@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Elton Woo (elwoo at videotron.ca) said: > You might want to have a look at this: > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER??? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, BROADCOM, > ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES Woops, there went my lunch. Bill From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 20:04:33 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:04:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <200311041945.15657.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: > sorted themselves out. The kids found all the control panel customization > and sorted it themselves. The caveat is that you need a geek behind the > curtain at the moment to get the thing to the stage of double-clicking on > movies make them play in a good way, printers get talked to, > /etc/X11/XF86Config is looking good to play a game, etc. The need for geek My attitude on this sort of thing is changing lately. If I am going to program, I program. If I am going to be a "user", I use. No more editing XFree86 config files, and other wasted time for me. It's watsed because: If I write a program, it works, and continues to work. It's work that produced some product. If I spend 4 hours playing with XFree86 to get dual monitor working.. I probably didn't even learn something... I should have just used a distro or script that made it work. I like "hacking", but it has to be interesting, not drudgery. Editing XFree86Config every single time I installed linux.. that was drudgery. > Still, that guy, and maybe Redhat as a whole needs to go on a communication > course... look at all the people turning up worried here, people on various > other mls I subscribe to are concerned and doubtful about this heyar RH9 -> > ... > installshare with RH. Maybe after the first release and the security updates > start flying things will clam down, but today to many people Fedora is a > frightening convulsion in RHland. > > - -Andy Well, at least this list is here. -- noah silva From monty19 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 4 20:01:55 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:01:55 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: I don't buy the hardware excuse anymore. Recently I was installing RedHat Linux 9 (I think it was 9 though I suppose it could have been 8) and Windows 2000 Server (this was before 2003 Server was out) on a few PowerEdge 2650's, and RedHat was loading and detecting the PERC (think it was a 3/DI?) controller without the hassle of driver disks, etc. This was not true of 2000. To go one step further Dell had an excellent article in their magazine about running headless PowerEdge servers with Linux. You could get to BIOS, Grub Boot Loader, and Linux all over a null modem cable. Very slick. That's on the server side. When I went home and installed RedHat 9 it picked up my Epson Perfection 1250 scanner, my Epson C40UX printer worked without downloading drivers, and my Canon Powershot S30 digital camera worked just fine. All of these without going and having to download drivers. Everyone of the three devices I just listed requires a driver download for Windows XP. And for the record the Netgear WG511 wireless card does require a download for both, and so do the NVidia and ATI graphics cards. Now to be fair, the particular version of RedHat came out AFTER Windows XP (correct me if I'm making untrue statements), and Windows in its next rendition (2003... Longhorn...) will no doubt include support out of the box for [some of] these devices. My only point to this long winded email is that both now have hardware that they require drivers for and/or do not support, and that which they support out of the box. It's probably a fairly even line too. Jason From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 20:06:57 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:06:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Unfortunately, this is good only in the very short term. I remember OS/2. "It can run your windows programs better than windows!". "Oh, so we don't need to develop OS/2 programs at all then." That worked out rather well... Almost makes me glad Wine isn't perfect. -- noah silva On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > You might want to have a look at this: > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER??? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, BROADCOM, > ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES > > > MONTREAL, QC Oct. 27, 2003 > > ... and it's "Made in Canada"! > > Elton ;-) > > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 20:10:26 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:10:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <3FA7FA4B.4090203@speakeasy.net> from "Robert L Cochran" at Tach 04, 2003 02:13:15 Message-ID: <200311042010.hA4KAQP26098@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you > with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and > money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. > A significant potential market segment is being blown away. If your business is built entirely on people who can't afford basic RH Professional Workstation or RHEL entry level stuff you can't have very viable margins anyway I suspect. Besides, an RHCE/RHCT is worth a lot beyond even Red Hat, just like a Cisco certification helps get ISP jobs in non cisco ISP's. Alan From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 20:10:32 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:10:32 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311041510.32719.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 02:51 pm, Noah Silva [Mailing list] , <"Noah Silva [Mailing list]" > wrote: > Of course, but, as an example. If the iSight works, I would love to have > one, but even google hasn't helped me there, and none of my friends have > one I can borrow. Do I buy it from the store, knowing full well I might > return it? And then what about more normal consumers.. a centralized > place would be nice. >From my bookmarks: http://www.justlinux.com http://www.linuxhardware.org http://www.die.net/doc/ (Why didn't I think of this before?) ---> as a matter of fact, RH could add these links in their help file under the rubric: "Further Sources of Help". or "Help for Newcomers to GNU/Linux"... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Tue Nov 4 20:13:29 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:13:29 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <1067976809.2564.90.camel@Darkstar> Message: 12 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:22:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows? Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > It is harder to do in Linux because there are too many file formats to > consider; *.bin, *.tar.gz, *.rpm and there are others as well. How do > you incorporate them into an Add and Remove Program style of format. The > average user will need that. This is unfair. Window's "Add/remove programs" only works if windows "knows" about the program because it at least semi-properly used MSI. Likewise, linux only "knows" about a program being installed if you used an rpm or deb. If you just plop down EXE files in windows, they won't "add/remove" any more than they will in linux. .tar.gz should really only be for developers. At the very least, if you are going to make a different install system (like loki installer), it should have a way to communicate with the RPM database as well. > If all Linux was meant to do was to do emails, message someone, or to > write an essay it's great for the home user. It's stable, it won't crash > in the middle of something important and you really don't have to worry > that much about viruses. > > (there, my .02 cents worth) > -- noah silva Don't get me wrong I love Linux. I enjoy working with it. Just the average user......... One other thing a friend of mine tried it once and said why do I have to switch to root, or give the root password when I install something. Windows is seamless. Then just gave up on Linux.... What do you do????? And Don't get me started with Mac's. In the early years of the Mac there was one problem if you didn't have the hardware to match the OS forget it, it just won't install, and where did, if the cmos battery was dead the OS wouldn't boot come from. Boy did they have a big problem there. If I had a choice between, Windows, Mac OS X and Linux it would be Linux all the way, because I know it and enjoy playing with it. Sure it's free to download (plus who wants to pay for MS lawsuits anyways, which is incorporated into the cost of MS products, they are not going to admit it but you know.. If MS wants to release buggy OS's that's up to them, right). ( I guess I have more than .02 cent worth there) Mike (Red Hat (FEDORA) Linux advocate) From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 20:12:17 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:12:17 -0500 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311041512.17203.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 03:06 pm, Noah Silva [Mailing list] , <"Noah Silva [Mailing list]" > wrote: > Unfortunately, this is good only in the very short term. > > I remember OS/2. "It can run your windows programs better than windows!". > "Oh, so we don't need to develop OS/2 programs at all then." That worked > out rather well... Almost makes me glad Wine isn't perfect. > > -- noah silva Sad, but true.... me, being an ex-TeamOS/2 member... <*SIGH*> Elton :-( -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From davej at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 20:15:04 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:15:04 +0000 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <20031104201504.GE6186@redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:58:10PM +0000, nosp wrote: > > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, BROADCOM, > > ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES > A great candidate for Fedora / Fedora extras, license permitting... "lack of taste" permitting maybe. Dave From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 20:16:51 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:16:51 -0500 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <20031104145901.A11008@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20031104145901.A11008@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311041516.51093.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 02:59 pm, Bill Nottingham , > wrote: > Elton Woo (elwoo at videotron.ca) said: > > You might want to have a look at this: > > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php > > > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER??? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, > > BROADCOM, ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES > > Woops, there went my lunch. > > Bill Shocking, eh? ... I keep getting surprised HOW MANY people ("laymen") are aware of linux *here* in Montreal. Example, the other day, the cable guy came to fix my neighbour's connection, which was inadvertently removed. I had access to the apartment as my (Windows-using, but Linux-curious-envious) neighbour was away. The technician saw the machine running MS Windows, and I remarked "Well, *I* don't use Windows" ... to which he gave me the thumbs-up sign! Surprised? .. . I _almost_ *wasn't*. :) Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 20:15:20 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:15:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > That's on the server side. When I went home and installed RedHat 9 it > picked up my Epson Perfection 1250 scanner, my Epson C40UX printer worked > without downloading drivers, and my Canon Powershot S30 digital camera > worked just fine. All of these without going and having to download > drivers. Everyone of the three devices I just listed requires a driver > download for Windows XP. Part of this is that you got lucky. Part of it is that a lot of devices are standards based, and don't _need_ drivers, but come wit them anyway. For example, my digital camera shows up as a USB mass storage device. If it needed drivers, they would be very generic drivers. But in windows, it installs also a tray icon daemon that looks for when it is attached, etc. I am sure Windows XP knows how to use USB mass storage, and probably even with that Chipset. > And for the record the Netgear WG511 wireless card does require a download > for both, and so do the NVidia and ATI graphics cards. Only some ATI Graphics cards. (and for both: only for 3D). Another point is that if say .. my camera maker tells both MS and RH to "shove off". Windows will never have the driver built in then. Someone will eventually reverse-engineer it for linux, and then we have it, where windows can't. -- noah silva From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 20:20:41 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:20:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104183812.GA19911@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> from "Miloslav Trmac" at Tach 04, 2003 07:38:12 Message-ID: <200311042020.hA4KKfU03878@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > That's why hardware vendors should be re-educated that they are selling > hardware and contribute the driver to the kernel (or whatever the usual > place for drivers for that kind of hardware is), or at least release > the specifications. Most of them don't need re-educating. They want to see financial justifications and straight forward return exceeding cost. Some of them have other problems to juggle (clever hardware interfaces, regulatory rules, perceived 'value' in components, and even cynical marketing tricks that dont work open source) but at the end of the day its all down to cost, opportunities and risk. We are past the 'what is linux' stage. Its in general just hard business decisions I see from these people now. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 20:23:24 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:23:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067976809.2564.90.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: > > One other thing a friend of mine tried it once and said why do I have to > switch to root, or give the root password when I install something. > Windows is seamless. Then just gave up on Linux.... What do you do????? > Not if you are using windows 2000 or XP with "best practices". You shouldn't be logged in as "Administrator" any more than you should be logged in as root in linux. Of course.. the difference is that non-root mode actually works for a reasonable amount of things in linux. But this is improving in windows winde 2000 became mainstream. -- noah silva From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 20:23:26 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:23:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1067970665.2976.8.camel@akillianp4> from "Adam Killian" at Tach 04, 2003 01:31:07 Message-ID: <200311042023.hA4KNQQ06085@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Does this mean that things like instant ISOs, hardware/software > inventory, etc. Will all be unavailable for Fedora systems? See the message. A lot of it - like instant iso has to be honest been "communitized". Bittorrent's community economics and co-operative stuff have distinct advantages already. > To put it more bluntly, if I only plan to run Fedora (and not any > version of RHEL), is there any reason at all for me to pony up my $60 to > renew my RHN subscription? Up to you. Although the price will be lower to reflect the shorter time (https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/) From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 20:25:08 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independentcompany? In-Reply-To: <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain><1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain><1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1713.12.29.16.103.1067977508.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Elton Woo said: > On November 4, 2003 10:39 am, Martin Sturm , > wrote: > >> > > Any care to speculate on who will acquire Mandrake and when? >> > >> > You have a point. Given the financial situation of Mandrake, I suppose >> > they must be dying to sell. > > <*chuckle*> ... You seem to have given voice to what I've been thinking > secretly: possibly Red Hat will acquire Mandrake ... thereby giving them > access to other markets, and being able to provide products that > are not strictured by US governance (think certain codecs... for example). Sigh. Red Hat is still based in the USA. Not a comment to you, but just in general, get over it. I don't think it is going far out on a limb to say there will NEVER be anything MP3 related come out of Red Hat (or Fedora) in an official capacity. Repeat as necessary for any "certain codecs" that have patent or license restrictions. > Mandrake is already an rpm-based distro, and though it has diverged > somewhat > from the Red Hat Linux structure, it is not totally 'alien'. For that > matter, > FC + Mandrake = (possible) shrinkwrap for the SOHO's and hobbyists. With > RHEL for Red Hat's main breadwinner: the corporate customers. Oh yes, because it is obvious that the model that was horribly not profitable for Mandrake is so much superior to the model that wasn't profitable for RH. I don't see any reason for Red Hat to aquire any other Linux distro company. -- William Hooper From thoffman at arnor.net Tue Nov 4 20:26:30 2003 From: thoffman at arnor.net (Torrey Hoffman) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:26:30 -0800 Subject: [O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks In-Reply-To: <200311041343.43224.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> <1067970640.6301.90.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <200311041343.43224.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1067977589.1073.10.camel@rivendell.arnor.net> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:43, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Tuesday 04 November 2003 01:30 pm, Trond Eivind Glomsr??d wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:49, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > > I just got a pair of WD raptor disks, which are SATA 10000rpm. Sweet, > > > right? No! They are connected to Asus A7N8X MB, which has SiI3112 Serial > > > ATA (according to dmesg). > > > > [...] > > > Yes, I apoligize for the O/T post (that's why I said it was O/T), but it > really isn't entirely O/T - because you answered my real question, which is > whether I should try fedora to see if it fixes the problem. Thanks. Yes (just to chime in here) -- I've also got two of the WD raptor disks, and am running Fedora. But mine are hooked up to an ABit MAX3 motherboard, using the Intel 875 chipset as the controller. In a software RAID 0 config they are very very fast :-) IIRC, better support for the Silicon Image SATA controller was very recently added to the 2.6.0-test kernels, so if you're having trouble with the SI controller, try upgrading to 2.6.0-test9. (My experiences with 2.6 recently have been very positive.) -- Torrey Hoffman From dh at iucr.org Tue Nov 4 20:33:46 2003 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:33:46 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <200311042010.hA4KAQP26098@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311042010.hA4KAQP26098@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311042033.46390.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 8:10 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > > I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you > > with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and > > money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. > > A significant potential market segment is being blown away. > > If your business is built entirely on people who can't afford basic > RH Professional Workstation or RHEL entry level stuff you can't have very > viable margins anyway I suspect. > > Besides, an RHCE/RHCT is worth a lot beyond even Red Hat, just like a Cisco > certification helps get ISP jobs in non cisco ISP's. > > Alan > What about businesses that are not currently using Linux one of the arguments I had in convincing my boss to go the linux route rather than the Windows route was the cost advantage, RH PW multiplies our current desktop cost by three and RHEL by six... Dave. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Dr. David Holden. (Systems Developer) Crystallography Journals Online: Thanks in advance:- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See: UK Privacy (R.I.P) : http://www.stand.org.uk/commentary.php3 Public GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 20:36:19 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:36:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks In-Reply-To: <200311041149.01968.nbecker@hns.com> from "Neal D. Becker" at Tach 04, 2003 11:49:01 Message-ID: <200311042036.hA4KaJX17026@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > No! They are connected to Asus A7N8X MB, which has SiI3112 Serial ATA > (according to dmesg). > hdparm -t shows TERRIBLE slow results. > /sbin/hdparm /dev/hde You need ASUS BIOS 1005 or higher for some boards with Nvidia chipsets. You may also need current 2.4.x kernel driver bits > Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady > SeekComplete Error } > Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, > LBAsect=1099511642367, high=65536, low=14591, sector=0 > Nov 4 11:31:21 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 LBAsect is bonkers so you may have data corruption, bad memory or possibly too old a BIOS rev. From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 20:40:21 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:40:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> from "Eric Wood" at Tach 04, 2003 11:28:05 Message-ID: <200311042040.hA4KeM520148@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? Try it out on random non technical and non computing interested users and things like drivers, picking hardware etc will baffle people. I can see MJS point. I can also see why Lindows and friends work on bundling deals for their target market so the hardware actually does work. What I suspect a lot of people need is actually real 24x7 connectivity then its viable to deliver thin client computing to homes, or remote management services (so you pay someone to keep your computer happy just like you do to service your car or your washing machine). I know my life would be easier if I could give my parents thin client access like tightvnc ;) From cliff at villagevisions.com Tue Nov 4 20:45:32 2003 From: cliff at villagevisions.com (Cliff Kent) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:45:32 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA80FEC.8040508@villagevisions.com> >> If you really wanted to try this, you could install yum, and set it to fetch from rawhide (right now). I can see a number of problems with this right now. For example, I dont' think rawhide has all of the packages from FC1 in it, just more recent changes. << It can work. Yesterday, on a RHL9 box I edited the yum.conf to point to the FC test 3 CD RPMs in a local directory for "base" and a rawhide repository on the web as "updates". I started yum update and went to bed. 897 packages were updated by morning and it was FC1 except for details like installing fedora-release to do the name change. Very nice, ck From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 4 20:46:50 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:46:50 -0500 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independentcompany? In-Reply-To: <1713.12.29.16.103.1067977508.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1713.12.29.16.103.1067977508.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <200311041546.50524.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 03:25 pm, William Hooper , > wrote: > Oh yes, because it is obvious that the model that was horribly not > profitable for Mandrake is so much superior to the model that wasn't > profitable for RH. > > I don't see any reason for Red Hat to aquire any other Linux distro > company. Maybe (bite my tongue) SCO will buy out Mandrake? <*evil grin*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From czar at czarc.net Tue Nov 4 20:54:10 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:54:10 -0500 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200311041554.10121.czar@czarc.net> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 14:58, nosp wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 19:49, Elton Woo wrote: > > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php > > > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, > > BROADCOM, ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES > > A great candidate for Fedora / Fedora extras, license permitting... Yes, this does look interesting. However, ... Since this does not appear to be open source (from the vendor's description), it would not be appropriate for Fedora/Fedora Extras. From the vendor's description, it appears to be a combination of source and binary software from Linuxant which implements a "wrapper" and the hardware vendors binary driver for Windows. This is similar to how vmware packages things and is certainly not open source. Furthermore, although there is a 30 free trial listed, the other software product is a priced product. -- Gene From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 20:56:15 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:56:15 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067968415.2564.38.camel@Darkstar> References: <1067968415.2564.38.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <1067979375.5418.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> > , I hate to admit it but, and > that is the add and remove program. Select the program in question and > remove it. That is not entirely correct: many parts of the program you 'think' you removed from Windows happily remain sitting in the 'registry'. If you install/remove a lot of software, that registry becomes a mess beyond recognition. There are a variety of programs (available at $ 29 - $ 50 a year) to clean up that mess: 'Registry Medic', (yes: Medic!)' Registry Healer', (yes: Healer!) 'Registry Mechanic'. I refuse to use any OS that needs medical attention! > Albert From rcavey at g0mos16.gsfcmo.ecs.nasa.gov Tue Nov 4 20:57:29 2003 From: rcavey at g0mos16.gsfcmo.ecs.nasa.gov (Robert Cavey) Date: 04 Nov 2003 15:57:29 -0500 Subject: A few questions? Message-ID: <1067979448.31775.77.camel@gsfcb.ecs.nasa.gov> Redhat people, I see some new stuff in chkconfig on Fedora, stuff like apm and smartd and the whole "nptl" tag on the GRUB boot screen. Are these features only going into Fedora and not your Enterprise Products? What is going to be the driving/steering direction as far as the Fedora Kernel? Will Fedora be the guinea pig for what goes into the Enterprise RedHat or the other way around? DON'T get me wrong .. RedHat's kernels are solid and have all the attention of all VAR's I have worked with in the past but I hope Fedora will not be the crash-and-burn-test-dummy platform for kernel testing. Anyone? From jdow at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 20:58:59 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:58:59 -0800 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> <009801c3a30b$eb7fe0e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <01e001c3a316$78b5e360$2eedfea9@kittycat> And I am about to jump ship for debian. I can't run a home office firewall on something that is in perpetual alpha state, fedora. And I cannot afford the idiot prices or compile times for the Red Hat releases. I don't blame your UG friends bailing. It's good sense. {^_^} From: "Eric Wood" > I've already got long-time RH users in my linux users group jumping ship to > debian and suse. Novell will certainly have to prove themselves. There's > no way they dropped $210 million just to kill squash a particular linux > distro. > > -eric > > > Gord Busse wrote: > > Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. > > Well I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it > > taking Linux VERY seriously. > > > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 20:59:18 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:59:18 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <200311041300.26697.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067964978.6034.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041300.26697.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067979558.5418.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op di 04-11-2003, om 19:00 schreef Elton Woo: > On November 4, 2003 11:56 am, Albert DE WINT , > wrote: > > BTW, I've never been able to watch DVD 'out of the box', neither on > > Mandrake, nor on HD9. I know it's a all just matter of plug-ins and > > ... and a matter of licencing issues, NOT the fault of any linux distro... > > Elton ;-) Of course it's not the fault of linux, it's just a reality we have to deal with and M$ users don't. From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 21:02:21 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:02:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067979375.5418.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > , I hate to admit it but, and > > That is not entirely correct: many parts of the program you 'think' you > removed from Windows happily remain sitting in the 'registry'. If you > install/remove a lot of software, that registry becomes a mess beyond > recognition. I don't know that I consider configuration data part of the program. At least in Debian, the default when removing a program is to leave configuration data behind (so if you reinstall it later, you don't have to re-do the config). I am curious what RPM does here. > There are a variety of programs (available at $ 29 - $ 50 a year) to > clean up that mess: 'Registry Medic', (yes: Medic!)' Registry Healer', > (yes: Healer!) 'Registry Mechanic'. > I refuse to use any OS that needs medical attention! These programs are just silly. > Albert -- noah silva From matt at math.mit.edu Tue Nov 4 21:04:07 2003 From: matt at math.mit.edu (Matthew Walburn) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:04:07 -0500 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6E18A913-0F0A-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > We are defaulting to yum repositories. Keeping the other programs > available keeps all our options open for the future. Is there a current yum repository for up2date besides rawhide? I am under the impression that rawhide is now Fedora Core 2 beta. Is this correct or should is rawhide still considered fedora core 1 updates until it's _actually_ released. Thanks, - -Matthew - -- Matthew Walburn, RHCE, CCNA Network Assistant - x. 3-4995 MIT Department of Mathematics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/qBRWIPnrMuqoJoERAoLNAJ9BcpHAzq/EwD7bM8F3qPPHBKnPAQCfVN/p SQX+zAL/X9nq/JkGAfeW13Y= =cXUr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 21:04:59 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:04:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: A few questions? In-Reply-To: <1067979448.31775.77.camel@gsfcb.ecs.nasa.gov> Message-ID: > > Will Fedora be the guinea pig for what goes into the Enterprise RedHat > or the other way around? > > DON'T get me wrong .. RedHat's kernels are solid and have all the > attention of all VAR's I have worked with in the past but I hope Fedora > will not be the crash-and-burn-test-dummy platform for kernel testing. > > Anyone? I think that's what the Fedora "test releases" are for. f.e. Extended attributes was removed from the ext3 before the final was released. I think the ladder of progression is this: a. put things in the test release that seem to work. b. If things make it through the test release, put them into fedora core. c. Since RHEL has such a slower release cycle, hope you have found any problems in fedora before they make it into RHEL. -- noah silva From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 4 21:09:25 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:09:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <01e001c3a316$78b5e360$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, jdow wrote: > And I am about to jump ship for debian. I can't run a home office firewall > on something that is in perpetual alpha state, fedora. And I cannot afford I don' think a fedora core release is considered to be "alpha". It may be less tested than debian stable, but then debian stable is always pretty old, so the latest fedora core may well be newer. > the idiot prices or compile times for the Red Hat releases. I don't blame > your UG friends bailing. It's good sense. I have several servers, and use Redhat on some, debian on some. Both have advantages/disadvantages. The main advantage to debian was apt. Now with Redhat supporting Yum, I think that advantage will slowly evaporate as fedora gets more and more packages. Another advantages is that debian releases are supported for bug fixes until the end of time. Even if redhat officially doesn't support Fedora, I would hope that if 3 years from now, some huge apache vulnerability is found, someone will backport the fix to FC1, and it will be available via yum. than again, for a home office firewall.. I would be running.. pretty much just a kernel, preferably a fairly old, tested one. -- noah silva Xy From jerry-fedora at thehutt.org Tue Nov 4 21:09:13 2003 From: jerry-fedora at thehutt.org (Jerry A!) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:09:13 -0500 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <01e001c3a316$78b5e360$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> <009801c3a30b$eb7fe0e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <01e001c3a316$78b5e360$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <20031104210913.GA13314@risus.thehutt.org> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:58:59PM -0800, jdow wrote: : And I am about to jump ship for debian. I can't run a home office firewall : on something that is in perpetual alpha state, fedora. And I cannot afford : the idiot prices or compile times for the Red Hat releases. I don't blame : your UG friends bailing. It's good sense. How is Fedora in a perpetual 'alpha state?' If the past few months are any example it shows that it follows the same tested pattern for rolling a release. Develop in rawhide. Test, alpha, test, beta, freeze, release. Rinse and repeat every 6 months. Not that this process is rocket science. It's more or less what most of the other major Linux and BSD vendors do. --Jerry -- Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that! From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 21:12:01 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:12:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: A few questions? In-Reply-To: <1067979448.31775.77.camel@gsfcb.ecs.nasa.gov> from "Robert Cavey" at Tach 04, 2003 03:57:29 Message-ID: <200311042112.hA4LC1D16856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I see some new stuff in chkconfig on Fedora, stuff like apm and smartd > and the whole "nptl" tag on the GRUB boot screen. APM is old stuff, smartd is not new either, and NPTL is in RH9 already > What is going to be the driving/steering direction as far as the Fedora > Kernel? To make it work and to include cool new stuff. > attention of all VAR's I have worked with in the past but I hope Fedora > will not be the crash-and-burn-test-dummy platform for kernel testing. Fedora is intended to do development, you can't do development if the system isn't stable. If you want to be a test-dummy try rawhide, but remember to pack your crash helmet. Alan From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 21:17:02 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:17:02 -0800 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? References: <200311042010.hA4KAQP26098@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311042033.46390.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <002b01c3a318$fe944ba0$6401a8c0@marcosempvhgu0> I think you are correct on your opinion, because there are a lot of people that have taken loans and money from their bank account in order to take a course in order to become a RHCE or RHCI and now they are in the middle of nowhere. I am not a corporate defenders, they have not done anything for manking, what I care is about the people that have placed their trust and money in Redhat. I do not care if Microsoft is dishonest or whatever if Microsoft make money from one source or another or If Redhat has to pay their investor, that is all part of the tricks of the business world, capital is like a prostitute it goes to the best offer. Redhat spent a lot of time attacking Microsoft because it was not a good desktop os, but now they are trying to compete with Microsoft and maybe their product will become more expensive than Microsoft, it was just a business propaganda. There are others choices that are not so greedy and dishonests that have not stick the knifes in the back of the people, even there are some stores and vendors that have Redhat products on their shelfs that have not been sold and will not be sold, or have to be sold at a discount or at cost if Redhat does not take them back, those stores owner are going to think it twice before acepting any Linux products, it might help Redhat investors but not Linux prestiges. Many people were trusting that Redhat was going to be the desktop distro of the future and they were prophetizing that for years, even bluecurve was part of that bla bla bla. If they were planning to do that at least they should have create a period of transition or inform the public in a different manner, because probably we are going to have to throw away all their old disks, because there will be not more support or maybe updating in the future for personal or professional edition, maybe fedora will pick up the boxing gloves for them, maybe fedora will continue the idea of becoming a os for desktop. I am glad we still have Slackware, Debian, FreeBSD and Libranet that are still working for the desktop, and they also have staff to pay salaries if they do not change their mind in the future, maybe Mandrake Linux will do the same in the same manner that it was done by Suse Linux that the merger was also done by surprise, I do not think they can call themselves open source, becasue they are becoming more and more propietary everyday. There are many developers that have worked for Linux without any monetary compesation and they have help those companies to become big monsters, my admiration goes toward them, because they wanted something better for the public, it is like debian that is a free project and freebsd . Anyway any society based on profit the public is the last resource and the last opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Holden" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows? > On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 8:10 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > > > I guess this more or less trashes my investment in Linux. Those of you > > > with RHCEs and RHCTs are going to lose the investment of your time and > > > money, as Red Hat abandons support for a Red Hat Linux consumer product. > > > A significant potential market segment is being blown away. > > > > If your business is built entirely on people who can't afford basic > > RH Professional Workstation or RHEL entry level stuff you can't have very > > viable margins anyway I suspect. > > > > Besides, an RHCE/RHCT is worth a lot beyond even Red Hat, just like a Cisco > > certification helps get ISP jobs in non cisco ISP's. > > > > Alan > > > > What about businesses that are not currently using Linux one of the arguments > I had in convincing my boss to go the linux route rather than the Windows > route was the cost advantage, RH PW multiplies our current desktop cost by > three and RHEL by six... > > Dave. > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- > Dr. David Holden. (Systems Developer) > Crystallography Journals Online: > > Thanks in advance:- > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See: > > UK Privacy (R.I.P) : http://www.stand.org.uk/commentary.php3 > Public GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 21:18:01 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:18:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd: RH9 --> Fedora] In-Reply-To: <3FA7C4C1.8080308@alexevon.org> from "Alex F. Evonosky" at Tach 04, 2003 10:24:49 Message-ID: <200311042118.hA4LI1G21347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > As I am a new list member on this list, I apologize if this question > has been asked. How is the upgrade to Fedora been using RH9? Was the > upgrade pretty seamless or did it requite a full reformat and > re-install? As a long follower of RH since '95, this is a question I > was trying to understand. For Fedora test3 its just like an RH8-RH9 type update. If you update to the beta you should then be able to update to the final one but nobody guarantees beta->beta or beta->final updates work without some hand fixups From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 21:18:08 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:18:08 +0000 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <6E18A913-0F0A-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <6E18A913-0F0A-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1067980688.13443.415.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:04, Matthew Walburn wrote: > Is there a current yum repository for up2date besides rawhide? It's probably: --- [updates-released] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Released Updates baseurl=http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-$releasever --- From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Nov 4 21:19:07 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:19:07 -0500 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <01e001c3a316$78b5e360$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> <009801c3a30b$eb7fe0e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <01e001c3a316$78b5e360$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <3FA817CB.30008@speakeasy.net> Yep, I completely agree. Bob jdow wrote: > And I am about to jump ship for debian. I can't run a home office firewall > on something that is in perpetual alpha state, fedora. And I cannot afford > the idiot prices or compile times for the Red Hat releases. I don't blame > your UG friends bailing. It's good sense. > > {^_^} > > From: "Eric Wood" > >>I've already got long-time RH users in my linux users group jumping ship > > to > >>debian and suse. Novell will certainly have to prove themselves. > > There's > >>no way they dropped $210 million just to kill squash a particular linux >>distro. >> >>-eric >> >> >>Gord Busse wrote: >> >>>Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. >>>Well I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it >>>taking Linux VERY seriously. >>> >>>http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Nov 4 16:22:39 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:22:39 +0000 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independentcompany? In-Reply-To: <1713.12.29.16.103.1067977508.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1713.12.29.16.103.1067977508.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <200311041622.39341.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 08:25 pm, William Hooper wrote: > > Oh yes, because it is obvious that the model that was horribly not > profitable for Mandrake is so much superior to the model that wasn't > profitable for RH. > It was their e-business/training that ran them down. That was a stupid decision and had nothing to do with Linux. -- Hoyt Duff http://www.maximumhoyt.com/ Computing in Hell: The security of Windows, the ease of use of Linux, the documentation of UNIX, the installation ease of BSD, the application choices of Su^H^H Novell, and a Macintosh mouse! From patrickm at myway.com Tue Nov 4 21:35:12 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:35:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <20031104213512.3271F3988@mprdmxin.myway.com> --- On Tue 11/04, Matthias Saou < matthias at rpmforge.net > wrote: From: Matthias Saou [mailto: matthias at rpmforge.net] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:02:13 +0100 Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows? >I agree, although not completely : Getting help easily is great. >Sharing knowledge is fantastic. But being easily stuck with your computer if >you don't know where to get help or if none is available at that very >moment isn't something that should happen. And if a newbie is asking for help (let's say at a newsgroup) al he gets is "GOOGLE!"..... instead of good advice/help. And then Windows is handy, simple click and it goes... >From a newbie's view: Linux is all about "one big Linux family"... Isn't it? _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 21:35:49 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:35:49 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:33:10PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20031104163549.A30342@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:33:10PM -0500, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > "several days" sounds to me like... less than a week, certainly less than > a month. Give the man a prize! :-) > > Since Fedora is for home/hobby folks, could the announcement be > > worded a bit more in nontechnical terms? "Respin" is a new term for me, > > and I've been using RH since 6.x days. > > I also was wondering what "respin" myself! (PR?) Sorry, I thought it was in wider use when I penned that... "spin" is one of many jargon words for creating the iso image. (I've always assumed it came from creating phonograph records and some association with that, but I really have no idea or data to back up that assumption and would welcome any correction from anyone with real data...) By extension, to "respin" is to create a new iso image. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From matt at math.mit.edu Tue Nov 4 21:38:08 2003 From: matt at math.mit.edu (Matthew Walburn) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:38:08 -0500 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1067980688.13443.415.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <6E18A913-0F0A-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> <1067980688.13443.415.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <2E411203-0F0F-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:04, Matthew Walburn wrote: >> Is there a current yum repository for up2date besides rawhide? > > It's probably: > > --- > [updates-released] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Released Updates > baseurl=http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core- > $releasever > --- That's what's included in the most current yum from rawhide, but unfortunately I'm getting a 404 from their webserver ;) Thanks though, any other ideas? - -M - -- Matthew Walburn, RHCE, CCNA Network Assistant - x. 3-4995 MIT Department of Mathematics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/qBxEIPnrMuqoJoERAjkNAJ9yxarVwnwiD3aLOU3z+mIAWgbfJwCdEqvV PmBpbIGRFhuv06dQOdt9tek= =Z2FB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at reforge.fi Tue Nov 4 21:35:34 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:35:34 +0200 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <006501c3a302$ef9cd240$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <018101c3a2f0$9fb50fc0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1067968422.6301.81.camel@pc-32.office.scali.no> <006501c3a302$ef9cd240$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1067981734.5327.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> What a day: Novell acquiring SUSE and Szulik telling home users to stick with Windoze. :) It might seem like a crazy move to say such a thing in a public for CEO of a Linux company, but he has other very good points. And as someone else already said on the list, the article title is kind of misleading. It would be the same as if Larry Ellison of Oracle would say that SMEs should probably use Open Source DB for development and testing, but use their products for "real" projects. Szulik is a smart fellow, at least that's the impression that I have. He has led Red Hat to where they are now, posting first profitable quarter recently, and it really (face it) is *the* Linux vendor in terms of market share among enterprise. > But because of its diverseness, Windows 98/ME and XP made it to the > corporate desktop because it was easy to use at home, and people thought, > "Hey, I'll use this at work." It's actually the other way around. People get to used a system at work and depending on their experiences, bring the same system to home. That's why Szulik is telling folks that "enterprise Linux desktop is ripe". I agree with him. With proper tools, proper applications, proper administration, proper education, an enterprise (whether S/M/L/XL) can reap great benefits from using Linux on the desktop. It's already happening and why do you think that Novell has acquired Ximian and recently SUSE? Exactly, to push Linux on their customers' desktops. Believe me, Linux will be home desktop OS in next two-three years. Dual-boot systems have ever-growing penetration, Linux-only workstations are gaining ground. What we now really need is few daring software companies that release their popular apps on Linux, too. That'll give the momentum and the critical mass for large scale Linux penetration. Windows is already losing market share on business desktops, especially on high-end, development, and specialized computing. Somebody asked why OSS community hasn't created a desktop environment that is as user-friendly as e.g. OSX. The main reason is that desktop environments such as GNOME & KDE are mainly developed by geeks, techs, engineers, et al. They develop software, applications and tools which satisfy their needs, not the average Joe's. Ximian kind of pioneered the average-users-desktop. I'm eagerly waiting what they and Novell will cook up next. Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From patrickm at myway.com Tue Nov 4 21:41:16 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:41:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <20031104214116.C7C3639A8@mprdmxin.myway.com> Amen! RH saying that really makes Bill smile, yeaghh. I'm recently made the switch from Windoze to (RH) Linux and yes, I do not know everything yet, lots of what I read hear is still abracadabra to me, but one thing is clear to me: I will master this!!! PatrickM --- On Tue 11/04, Lorenzo Prince < lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org > wrote: From: Lorenzo Prince [mailto: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:59:53 -0500 Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows? >Eric Wood staggered into view and mumbled: > >Man, has RH really lost that much confidence in Fedora? > >It is a sad day for Linux, and Red Hat in particular. Everyone knows that operating systems/applications and drivers are a chicken-and-egg process. The more people there are using Linux, the more apps and drivers will become available. And the more apps and drivers there are, the more people will use Linux. I have aggreed with everything RH has done up until this point. I really do believe that this is the biggest mistake RH has EVER made. Telling people to stay with Micros**t Virusware and not to switch to Linux because of the current lack of apps and drivers that the home user is expecting is not going to increase the availability of those apps and drivers that home users need. As a famous mistical disembodied voice in the movie "Field of Dreams" once said, "If you build it, shey will come." So, we must keep building Linux for the desktop. We must also, however, get more people using it, so that more people will help build it. > >PRINCE _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From jkurtz at noguska.com Tue Nov 4 21:47:57 2003 From: jkurtz at noguska.com (Jason Kurtz) Date: 04 Nov 2003 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: redhat recommends windows Message-ID: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hmm, Lets see, redhat released public versions and let the users test then and find the bugs. Then they released Enterprise versions for profit. Last time I checked THE GPL it said. 2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions: * a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. * b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. Wheres my free copy of enterprise lmao. Just a rant..... Now back to the main issue at hand currently I admin quite a few systems. A good deal of my customers run advanced server, 7.3. etc etc. I'm planning on switching all of them to debian starting the beginning of the year. This is utter bullshit, to just up and say oh where no longer going to support 8.0 where dropping it in April. If there going to treat there largest customer base this way then they can kiss my geeky white ass. I will no longer recommend them for enterprise applications. They can go, oh btw where no longer supporting advanced server in three months. I would rather change from redhat now than risk that in the future.. -- Regards, Jason Kurtz A+,CCNA,MCSE,MCSA,MCDBA jkurtz at noguska.com From adwint at pandora.be Tue Nov 4 21:46:27 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:46:27 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104213512.3271F3988@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031104213512.3271F3988@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1067982387.5418.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> > And if a newbie is asking for help (let's say at a newsgroup) al he gets is "GOOGLE!"..... instead of good advice/help. And then Windows is handy, simple click and it goes... > > >From a newbie's view: Linux is all about "one big Linux family"... Isn't it? >From my personal point of view, I have to disagree. I started using linux about 10 months ago. I always have gotten support and first class tips & tricks on several fora, like the RedHat install list. Thank you, Bob Mc Clure, Rick Stevens (and many others on that list). I also get support from a local forum in my native language. From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Tue Nov 4 21:46:29 2003 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:46:29 -0500 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <58E91540-0F10-11D8-9B6F-000A95689082@speakeasy.net> On Nov 4, 2003, at 14:17, Gord Busse wrote: > Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. Well > I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it taking > Linux VERY seriously. > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html > Well, back to the original topic of this thread. Novell is definitely trying to regroup and ascend up the ladder like they once did. They just needed a viable platform and chose linux. Their new focus is certainly to target the corporate desktop and hence, they made a wise move by acquiring Ximian. Now I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Novell needed a quality distro to base their desktop stuff on and hence chose SuSe. I'm fairly certain that the SuSe idea was miguel's brainchild, being that Novell wouldnt be able to buyout RH and many ximian hackers are fond of SuSe. The recent action going down seems to be signifying the rise of the tech markets again. I think Fedora has spawned this whole chain of linux related happenings. I also think that SuSe was hoping that this news would come out after FC1 so that they could steal the press thunder away from RH but it looks like this 'respin' has done more good than originally intended. Thoughts? Jack From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Tue Nov 4 21:49:48 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:49:48 +0200 Subject: So what if RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <1067982588.17464.19.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> If that is their marketing policy (no-matter how strange or self-destructive). I should remind all of you that this list is not for discussing it. Recommend RedHat to create a new one for this. I'm sick of having my INBOX filled with 300+ mails in only a few hours... Stick to the point guys... Instead of beta-testing fedora core 1 you start asking all kind of philosophical questions regarding their marketing... We need beta-testers and hackers to help the final 1.0 release be out as soon as possible, not "politicians". I agree that the declaration was at least odd, but I think that the article at ZDnet took it out of context. Some others also discussed "UNIX is dead" as said by Gus Robertson, vice-president South Asia Pacific Operations of Red Hat. It's their call what they do... All we should do on this mail-list is report experiences/bug/fixes for Fedora Core 1 From riel at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 21:52:48 2003 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:52:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: redhat recommends windows In-Reply-To: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4 Nov 2003, Jason Kurtz wrote: > Wheres my free copy of enterprise lmao. You can get all the source RPMs for RHEL from: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/ How's that for GPL compliance ? ;) > Now back to the main issue at hand currently I admin quite a few > systems. A good deal of my customers run advanced server, 7.3. etc etc. > I'm planning on switching all of them to debian starting the beginning > of the year. This is utter bullshit, to just up and say oh where no > longer going to support 8.0 where dropping it in April. You're free to do that, of course. However, I don't see the reasoning as to why Debian would come with more guarantees than Fedora. Personally I'm willing to trust the Fedora Legacy project with the upgrades for my systems... -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Nov 4 21:55:12 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:55:12 +0200 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA82040.1070307@mail.uct.ac.za> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: >>It is harder to do in Linux because there are too many file formats to >>consider; *.bin, *.tar.gz, *.rpm and there are others as well. How do >>you incorporate them into an Add and Remove Program style of format. The >>average user will need that. >> >> > >This is unfair. Window's "Add/remove programs" only works if windows >"knows" about the program because it at least semi-properly used MSI. > >Likewise, linux only "knows" about a program being installed if you used >an rpm or deb. If you just plop down EXE files in windows, they won't >"add/remove" any more than they will in linux. > >.tar.gz should really only be for developers. At the very least, if you >are going to make a different install system (like loki installer), it >should have a way to communicate with the RPM database as well. > > > >>If all Linux was meant to do was to do emails, message someone, or to >>write an essay it's great for the home user. It's stable, it won't crash >>in the middle of something important and you really don't have to worry >>that much about viruses. >> >>(there, my .02 cents worth) >> >> >> > -- noah silva > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > I think another package management paradigm is needed for apps which is slightly different from that for system libraries. You see, there is stuff I expect to see in the Fedora repository, for which rpm, yum, apt etc are good. This because I can always exect them to be there. However, stuf like mplayer for example, is not going to be there, or is going to be in a third party repository. Most of the time, I think these program have no business being built dynamically linked. do it statically if there is a good chance the libraries it needs are not going to be on the system. before apt, it was really a hassle to download an rpm for mplayer, only to discover you need xvidcore for example, and then you need lirc, and you also need alsa libs or whatever the packager decided he needed. iTunes for windows, for example, just plain comes with quicktime, the whole shebang. with Linux this would be rpm -Uvh itunes. then an error message like - quicktime not found. Check that blah blah blah is in the path blah blah blah. Just let us download the bigger file, its ok. Want a different ftp server. No need to have to downoad the tarballs. I am sorry, but the smaller distros are going to have a hard time because soon, people are going to realise that there is a critical mass at which you will become a preferred target platform for app vendors. At the end of the day, I could not recommend Linux to someone who will want to install that codec because it ususaly entails some RTFM, and some man whatever, and editing some config file, and recompiling with the correct options. I think delivery of apps really has to be worked on. From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 21:55:06 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: redhat recommends windows In-Reply-To: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> from "Jason Kurtz" at Tach 04, 2003 04:47:57 Message-ID: <200311042155.hA4Lt6R16224@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Wheres my free copy of enterprise lmao. The source packages to the open source parts of RHEL3 are available from the ftp site if you want them. > of the year. This is utter bullshit, to just up and say oh where no > longer going to support 8.0 where dropping it in April. If there going 8.0 stops on December 31st. That information was provided a very very long time ago. From tim_kossack at web.de Tue Nov 4 21:57:03 2003 From: tim_kossack at web.de (Tim Kossack) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:57:03 +0100 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1067961280.6013.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067961280.6013.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067983023.1587.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Die, den 04.11.2003 schrieb Albert DE WINT um 16:54: > > More interesting: Will Ximian still be available for Red Hat base > > operating systems? Ximian Desktop was already available for SuSE, but i > > can imagen that Ximian will stop supporting Red Hat. > > Not necessarily. Suppose we'd simply ask them, would they care about > answering? There's only one way to find out. in fact, is already has been answered: 'Yesterday afternoon Miguel de Icaza, co-founder of Ximian and current CTO, told me, "We are going to support Fedora, and we are going to support Red Hat. Remember, we want our software to be as widely used as possible." He added, "We are Linux vendor-neutral. We are going to support every Linux distribution because different markets have different needs. It just makes sense to be vendor-agnostic and support every player in town."` http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/03/2136258&mode=thread&tid=151 From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 21:59:52 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:59:52 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: ; from nsilva-list@aoi.atari-source.com on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:32:45PM -0500 References: <3FA7F935.4050705@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031104165952.B30342@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:32:45PM -0500, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > But, like mandrake's, it is woefully lacking. One thing I want to see happen is a self-service hardware compatibility service that makes it easy for users to provide information on the compatibility they are seeing with their hardware on Fedora, and for which the information is well-enough organized that you can actually have good searches for that information. My basic concept is that there's a lot of information on the system that you can get at with tools like lspci and dmidecode. Parse that into units of hardware and present the user a GUI that lets them make some easy assignments for how well things work (default is "don't know" in order to avoid garbage) with definitions for the levels, and places for comments for each piece of hardware. Then this data is uploaded (signed with the user's gpg key?) in a structured, parseable format (xml?) to a centralized database that is both downloadable and web-searchable. Any volunteers? :-) (I'm cc'ing the devel list because I've noticed several people looking for projects lately -- here's a candidate. If you are interested, start the discussion, but I suggest keeping it on fedora-devel-list since fedora-test-list is high-enough traffic as it is...) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jkurtz at noguska.com Tue Nov 4 22:03:49 2003 From: jkurtz at noguska.com (Jason Kurtz) Date: 04 Nov 2003 17:03:49 -0500 Subject: redhat recommends windows Message-ID: <1067983429.14768.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Allen, That is a typo it was 9.0 I was talking about. -- Regards, Jason Kurtz A+,CCNA,MCSE,MCSA,MCDBA NOGUSKA 741 N. Countyline Fostoria OH 44830 419-435-0404 CELL 419-934-0111 FAX 419-435-1844 WWW.NOGUSKA.COM WWW.FOSTORIA.ORG WWW.NOLA-PRO.COM WWW.NOLAPRO.COM jkurtz at noguska.com From patrickm at myway.com Tue Nov 4 22:05:34 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:05:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: So what if RH recommends using Windows? Message-ID: <20031104220534.9C7AA3A07@mprdmxin.myway.com> Yes, you're right! Sorry for filling up. PatrickM --- On Tue 11/04, Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT < razvan.vilt at linux360.ro > wrote: From: Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT [mailto: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:49:48 +0200 Subject: So what if RH recommends using Windows? >If that is their marketing policy (no-matter how strange >or self-destructive). I should remind all of you that this >list is not for discussing it. Recommend RedHat to create a >new one for this. I'm sick of having my INBOX filled with >300+ mails in only a few hours... Stick to the point guys... > >Instead of beta-testing fedora core 1 you start asking all kind >of philosophical questions regarding their marketing... >We need beta-testers and hackers to help the final 1.0 release >be out as soon as possible, not "politicians". _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From alan at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 22:08:47 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: from "Don" at Tach 03, 2003 04:54:54 Message-ID: <200311042208.hA4M8lc25864@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > What I WOULD like is if the /home directory etc were all in a separate > partition so when I says "reformat" to do a clean install, all MY stuff is > not affected. Just tell the installer not to use that partition and it'll leave it untouched. The basic options 'remove all Linux' and 'remove all' don't help you here so you have to do it manually in that case. From razvan.vilt at linux360.ro Tue Nov 4 22:14:59 2003 From: razvan.vilt at linux360.ro (Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:14:59 +0200 Subject: Updated ISO images? In-Reply-To: <200311042208.hA4M8lc25864@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311042208.hA4M8lc25864@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067984099.17464.22.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 00:08, Alan Cox wrote: > > What I WOULD like is if the /home directory etc were all in a separate > > partition so when I says "reformat" to do a clean install, all MY stuff is > > not affected. > > Just tell the installer not to use that partition and it'll leave it untouched. > The basic options 'remove all Linux' and 'remove all' don't help you here so > you have to do it manually in that case. > > Oh yeah... that too... weird... seems I forgot 'bout it...BTW Don if you don't have scripting knowledge... mail-me I'll send you some scripts to do that... > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Nov 4 22:23:05 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:23:05 -0500 Subject: redhat recommends windows In-Reply-To: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA826C9.9000404@lqt.ca> Jason Kurtz wrote: >A good deal of my customers run advanced server, 7.3. etc etc. >I'm planning on switching all of them to debian starting the beginning >of the year. > and where are you going to go for support then? im guessing fedora support will be similar to debian support - ie. mailing lists, google searches, etc. so why switch to debian? From nosp at xades.com Tue Nov 4 22:26:37 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:26:37 +0000 Subject: Seawolf -> Fedora? In-Reply-To: <2E411203-0F0F-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> References: <3FA73CC3.2DD89C76@accesscomm.ca> <1067933634.11320.8.camel@laptop> <3FA7B830.3090705@footlocker.com> <20031104123145.B31468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <6E18A913-0F0A-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> <1067980688.13443.415.camel@earth.xades.com> <2E411203-0F0F-11D8-89A8-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1067984797.13443.488.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:38, Matthew Walburn wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:04, Matthew Walburn wrote: > >> Is there a current yum repository for up2date besides rawhide? > > > > It's probably: > > > > --- > > [updates-released] > > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Released Updates > > baseurl=http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core- > > $releasever > > --- > > That's what's included in the most current yum from rawhide, but > unfortunately I'm getting a 404 from their webserver ;) Perhaps I misinterpreted your question: 1) current (right this second): there is nothing besides rawhide. But what's wrong with rawhide? 2) current (Fedora Core release 1): release hasn't happened yet, so there are no updates yet, either. But it's just an error message that you understand and realize that there's nothing there that you could get (since it doesn't exist yet); ignore it. From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Nov 4 22:44:33 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:44:33 +0100 Subject: others distributions References: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA826C9.9000404@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <3FA82BD1.8000907@wanadoo.es> Paul Pianta wrote: > im guessing fedora support will be similar to debian support - ie. > mailing lists, google searches, etc. > > so why switch to debian? because Fedora has a short lifetime and Debian lifetime is unknown }:-) -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Nov 4 23:02:52 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:02:52 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067921134.6462.195.camel@gruyere> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <3FA709F4.9020107@insight.rr.com> <1067921134.6462.195.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <3FA8301C.10608@insight.rr.com> Dams wrote: > Try http://rpm.livna.org/ > > This repository is based upon fedora.us rules and packaging guidelines. > It will (hopefully soon) be open to anybody wanting to provide good > contribs. > > D > > Le mar 04/11/2003 ? 03:07, Jim Cornette a ?crit : > >>I agree with all the statements above. My only worries surround getting >>a hold of repos with questionable programs available. > > Thanks for the link. It errors out with fedora-release-1-2 installed. I'll try it with an earlier release installed. My Current interest is in a program to communicate with my Creative Jukebox in Linux. I tried kionjb and couldn't get it to compile. (too new of a lib installed). I then installed a binary rpm called gnomad2 which read the files on the jukebox, but was stuck in busy mode. I'll check for similar programs on the site listed. (When yum, apt and up2date start working). Jim -- You will be singled out for promotion in your work. From teg at pvv.org Tue Nov 4 23:05:03 2003 From: teg at pvv.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Eivind_Glomsr=F8d?=) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:05:03 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031104185305.58991.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FA8309F.7030701@pvv.org> marcos colome wrote: >Rehat has abandoned the desktop and the people that >made them a great distro > Creating Fedora is hardly abandoning them... if anything, it invites to more community participation. > but remember that Microsoft >made all they billions from the Home consumers not >from the corporate world > > An incredible profit margin? Sure. But business is where they make a real killing... looked at the size and profit margin of their office section lately? And the prices of the professional edition of windows (which is what you need for anyone using windows in business these days, the network authentication and CIFS was gutted from the home edition and works well as a market segmentation mechanism) and windows servers (with extra fees for clients accessing them) isn't low either. Business and home user segments can both be profitable, but have different needs. Red Hat doesn't have the size to do everything at once, and the unability to have it work with all sorts of hardware is a big problem (and support generator) in the home market. Sure, I know what to look for... and to check it first on the web, buy it afterwards. That doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't already have a big investment in hardware they want to continue working... or that they won't expect hardware they pick up for whatever reason in a store 'look! a cool and cheap digital camera!' to just work either. And that's not really an ureasonable expectation either, IMHO. Same applies to software... people like to go down to a store, buy programs doing what they want and just use it... things like turbotax. This is getting pretty off topic for the list, so I'll end my contribution to the thread here. From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 21:55:18 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:55:18 -0800 Subject: So what if RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067982588.17464.19.camel@home-04019.b.astral.ro> Message-ID: I think you are right. We should concentrate in the beta testing of Fedora. We should continue developing Linux that is our main concern -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:50 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: So what if RH recommends using Windows? If that is their marketing policy (no-matter how strange or self-destructive). I should remind all of you that this list is not for discussing it. Recommend RedHat to create a new one for this. I'm sick of having my INBOX filled with 300+ mails in only a few hours... Stick to the point guys... Instead of beta-testing fedora core 1 you start asking all kind of philosophical questions regarding their marketing... We need beta-testers and hackers to help the final 1.0 release be out as soon as possible, not "politicians". I agree that the declaration was at least odd, but I think that the article at ZDnet took it out of context. Some others also discussed "UNIX is dead" as said by Gus Robertson, vice-president South Asia Pacific Operations of Red Hat. It's their call what they do... All we should do on this mail-list is report experiences/bug/fixes for Fedora Core 1 -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From vze2hw9t at verizon.net Tue Nov 4 23:41:01 2003 From: vze2hw9t at verizon.net (higgy) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:41:01 -0500 Subject: all the brew ha-ha Message-ID: <3FA8390D.6090908@verizon.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at eardown.com Wed Nov 5 00:16:31 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:16:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: all the brew ha-ha In-Reply-To: <3FA8390D.6090908@verizon.net> References: <3FA8390D.6090908@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45582.192.168.1.1.1067991391.squirrel@www.eardown.com> This post should be framed in a fedora-forum somewhere! I agree 110%. Seems like at the first sign of change, people are freakn' out! > > > > > > > > > > comon guys! whats the problem? It is time for the linux community to > mature. If you need a point and click enviornment PLEASE use windows. > and good f'in luck to ya.... > It not a point of debate........If you love to play the game of fixin > things on a hour by hour basis Fedora is your game.. so put up or shut > the F up! > If you havent learnt to back up your sysconfig files,then get outta the > way and go RTFF.....OK rant over.....*^).......I really dont see what > all the fuss is about,nothin to see here > move along..Personally I would like to thank Redhat for all they have > done to promote open source software and thank them for their future > efforts as well. They have done just fine by me, even if they left me > out here in the cold. > just a thought or 3 > higgy > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From zimhat at foou.net Wed Nov 5 00:20:22 2003 From: zimhat at foou.net (Law Horne) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:20:22 -0500 Subject: useing up2date to get software Message-ID: <3FA84246.1070409@foou.net> Well I don't think this has been discussed before. But I was looking at all the talk about what up2date is in relevance to yum and apt. Now understanding that the new channels that come with the latest version of up2date are actually yum repos, and that they contain all the software for fedora. My question basically is as follows, is there a way to download and install programs not currently on your system within up2date( I realize you can do this if you put the channels in yum)? Or is up2date strictly(at least at this time) for updates? From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Wed Nov 5 00:28:42 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:28:42 +0100 Subject: useing up2date to get software In-Reply-To: <3FA84246.1070409@foou.net> References: <3FA84246.1070409@foou.net> Message-ID: <1067992122.5669.2.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Mi, den 05.11.2003 schrieb Law Horne um 01:20: > for fedora. My question basically is as follows, is there a way to > download and install programs not currently on your system within > up2date( I realize you can do this if you put the channels in yum)? Or > is up2date strictly(at least at this time) for updates? you can run up2date --install [PACKAGE NAME] For details see man up2date Peter From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 5 00:29:13 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:29:13 +0000 Subject: useing up2date to get software In-Reply-To: <3FA84246.1070409@foou.net> References: <3FA84246.1070409@foou.net> Message-ID: <1067992153.13443.648.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 00:20, Law Horne wrote: > is there a way to > download and install programs not currently on your system within > up2date Sure, run "up2date " Check out "man up2date": [...] If the package is not currently installed, it will be downloaded and installed, along with any dependencies that package requires. [...] From anvil at livna.org Wed Nov 5 00:31:42 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:31:42 +0100 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FA8301C.10608@insight.rr.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <3FA709F4.9020107@insight.rr.com> <1067921134.6462.195.camel@gruyere> <3FA8301C.10608@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067992302.7011.16.camel@gruyere> Yes, because there is no support for Fedora Core 1. You may simply replace the $releasever by 0.95 in yum.conf to make it work. FC1 support will be available as soon as the official announcement is made. Le mer 05/11/2003 ? 00:02, Jim Cornette a ?crit : > Dams wrote: > > Try http://rpm.livna.org/ > Thanks for the link. It errors out with fedora-release-1-2 installed. > I'll try it with an earlier release installed. -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Wed Nov 5 00:36:53 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:36:53 +0100 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <200311041512.17203.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311041512.17203.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1067992613.5669.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Am Di, den 04.11.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 21:12: > Sad, but true.... me, being an ex-TeamOS/2 member... <*SIGH*> > > Elton :-( Why ex? Is running very well here as my internet gateway (and server for really very important data) Peter From matt at math.mit.edu Wed Nov 5 00:38:07 2003 From: matt at math.mit.edu (Matthew Walburn) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:38:07 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Not sure if this is really adding to the thread, but I'm curious what other people think: My situation with RHEL/Fedora is that my company (a large department in an .edu) doesn't need the commercial support of RHEL, we need the release cycle. The fact of the matter is that while we want to go with RHEL department wide, we can't afford it. So, we're being forced into giving Fedora a shot on our workstations, and RHEL ES on our critical servers. The problem comes in with the fact that no one in our department is going to stand for a Fedora rollout/reinstall every 8 or so months.... to say nothing of the fact that this schedule is going to put our 2 man IT team into a permanent "get ready for the new release" mode. While I realize that the Fedora Legacy project has been created to address these sorts of needs, I guess I'm a little skeptical. I sincerely apologize for asking this because I mean no offense... but is the Fedora Legacy Project going to be something that people like me can truly depend on? Thanks so much! - -Matt - -- Matthew Walburn, RHCE, CCNA MIT Department of Mathematics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/qEZ1IPnrMuqoJoERAiYUAJ90fzW1tFCxQ7RJs+8Dn5lcSbLEzACfXFVf /ODYM73ErO5dB7aCi1MIzg0= =siQE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 5 00:44:15 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:44:15 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067993055.13443.669.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:02, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > I am curious what RPM does here. RPM will often tell you it's leaving files behind when you remove a package, but it's cleaner than just "leave all config files behind." I wonder about the exact algorithm; it may just leave directories behind that were created by the RPM but now have files that didn't come from the RPM in them (think editor backup files, etc.), or changed config files, or both/more. From zimhat at foou.net Wed Nov 5 00:51:04 2003 From: zimhat at foou.net (Law Horne) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:51:04 -0500 Subject: Fedoras extras Message-ID: <3FA84978.4050804@foou.net> I have heard about fedora extras several times on this list and in a few other places. I'm still a little confused as to exactly what it in tells. Could someone point to a doc that would explain this to me in detail. Thanks Law From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Nov 5 01:00:15 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:00:15 +0100 Subject: Fedoras extras References: <3FA84978.4050804@foou.net> Message-ID: <3FA84B9F.3020608@wanadoo.es> Law Horne wrote: > I have heard about fedora extras several times on this list and in a few > other places. I'm still a little confused as to exactly what it in > tells. Could someone point to a doc that would explain this to me in > detail. http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/terminology.html -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 5 01:05:34 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:05:34 +0000 Subject: Fedoras extras In-Reply-To: <3FA84978.4050804@foou.net> References: <3FA84978.4050804@foou.net> Message-ID: <1067994334.593.7.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 00:51, Law Horne wrote: > I have heard about fedora extras several times on this list and in a few > other places. I'm still a little confused as to exactly what it in > tells. Could someone point to a doc that would explain this to me in > detail. Check out http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/terminology.html... Excerpts: Fedora Core: --- Fedora Core The distribution: the package set that is included on the set of ISO images and directory tree blessed by the steering committee and released as Fedora Core [by the "Fedora Project", defined on http://fedora.redhat.com]. --- Fedora Extras: --- Fedora Extras are sets of packages that augment Fedora Core but do not replace Fedora Core component packages. These packages, like all packages that are part of The Fedora Project, must conform to the legal requirements of the project and conform to the Fedora Extras policies. "Fedora Extras" is a category that applies to multiple repositories. For example, someone might wish to build a set of packages for high performance computing use and call it "Fedora Extras HPC"; it would be one of the Fedora Extras. Packages in Fedora Extras must be built entirely from software meeting the open source guidelines; furthermore, packages in Fedora Extras must be buildable only using software which is in Fedora Core or Fedora Extras. --- From christoph.wickert at web.de Wed Nov 5 01:07:43 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:07:43 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? In-Reply-To: <1067993055.13443.669.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067993055.13443.669.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067994463.6523.23.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Mi, den 05.11.2003 schrieb nosp um 01:44: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:02, Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > I am curious what RPM does here. > > RPM will often tell you it's leaving files behind when you remove a > package, but it's cleaner than just "leave all config files behind." This is why debian has "dpkg --purge , I wonder if there's something similar in rpm?? But even "dpkg --purge" doesn't delete everything. Directories, that were created, often are left empty, but not deleted. Christoph From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 5 01:16:48 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:16:48 +0000 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <20031104201504.GE6186@redhat.com> References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> <20031104201504.GE6186@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1067995008.593.17.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 20:15, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:58:10PM +0000, nosp wrote: > > > > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php > > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, BROADCOM, > > > ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES > > A great candidate for Fedora / Fedora extras, license permitting... > > "lack of taste" permitting maybe. Reading the Fedora Terminology closer, I guess the linuxant software is open source (thus maybe eligible for Fedora Core/Extras/etc.) but of since the windows centrino driver is binary as pointed out by more reflective readers of this list, that won't be in Fedora ever. And yeah, I do buy (I think it was) Alan's recent argument re free <--> non-free software interaction: that it makes more sense to push for free/open standards support than to reverse-engineer or "wrap" non-free stuff, if that's what you mean. But if I can use my centrino wi-fi + linux to write those emails / do other advocacy stuff in the meantime, all the better. Is there any hope of real linux support from Intel/Centrino? I remember signing a petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?xanthan) but haven't seen anything lately... From tag at telinit.net Wed Nov 5 01:17:19 2003 From: tag at telinit.net (Todd Grimason) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:17:19 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu>; from matt@math.mit.edu on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:38:07PM -0500 References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20031104201719.B14091@crank.slack.net> * Matthew Walburn [2003-11-04 19:39]: > My situation with RHEL/Fedora is that my company (a large department in > an .edu) doesn't need the commercial support of RHEL, we need the > release cycle. The fact of the matter is that while we want to go with > RHEL department wide, we can't afford it. So, we're being forced into > giving Fedora a shot on our workstations, and RHEL ES on our critical > servers. This is my position as well (though a small dept in an .edu, and just me), and from the tone of many comments/emails all over, I think many people's concern. In short, I think many people are looking for a similar situation to Debian Stable, or FreeBSD RELEASEs(?) where you can just track the security patches, and only need to upgrade at long(er) intervals. Is it the intention of the Legacy group to essentially enable a similar maintenance/sec/patch schedule to Debian/Stable and FreeBSD? Of course "well go use those" is an obvious answer, but I think lots of people would like to stick with Redhat... err, Fedora, if possible. TG -- ___________________________ toddgrimason*todd at slack.net From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 5 01:26:57 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:26:57 +0000 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <20031104201719.B14091@crank.slack.net> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> <20031104201719.B14091@crank.slack.net> Message-ID: <1067995617.593.30.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 01:17, Todd Grimason wrote: > Is it the intention of the Legacy group to essentially enable a > similar maintenance/sec/patch schedule to Debian/Stable and FreeBSD? There was definitely some serious conversation a few weeks ago and I think the fact that the Legacy project made it to the Fedora Terminology page is a good indication it's serious. Anyone involved in that want to speak up? From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 01:30:49 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:30:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <1067995008.593.17.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> <20031104201504.GE6186@redhat.com> <1067995008.593.17.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <65259.69.68.37.57.1067995849.squirrel@69.68.37.57> nosp said: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 20:15, Dave Jones wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:58:10PM +0000, nosp wrote: >> >> > > http://www.linuxant.com/company/press_dldr.php >> > > LINUXANT RELEASES NEW DRIVERLOADER??? FOR INTEL CENTRINO, INTERSIL, >> BROADCOM, >> > > ATHEROS, AND OTHER WIRELESS LAN DEVICES >> > A great candidate for Fedora / Fedora extras, license permitting... >> >> "lack of taste" permitting maybe. > > Reading the Fedora Terminology closer, I guess the linuxant software is > open source (thus maybe eligible for Fedora Core/Extras/etc.) but of > since the windows centrino driver is binary as pointed out by more > reflective readers of this list, that won't be in Fedora ever. The "Driverloader" section has a license the resembles pine: "Redistribution of this software is only permitted for exact copies (without modification) of versions explicitly marked and officially released by Linuxant with the word "free" in their name." This unfortunately makes it just as bad to try to maintain as closed source. Even if someone fixes a bug and/or security issue they can't redistribute it. -- William Hooper From eckenrode.8 at osu.edu Wed Nov 5 01:31:50 2003 From: eckenrode.8 at osu.edu (Randy Eckenrode) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:31:50 -0500 Subject: useing up2date to get software In-Reply-To: <1067992153.13443.648.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <3FA84246.1070409@foou.net> <1067992153.13443.648.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1067995910.17335.127.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 19:29, nosp wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 00:20, Law Horne wrote: > > is there a way to > > download and install programs not currently on your system within > > up2date > > Sure, run "up2date " I?m not sure if that was what the original message were asking. I think he wanted to know if one could install software through the graphical up2date front-end, which is not the case at the moment. According to bug #108455, work is being done to make this possible. --Randy Eckenrode From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 5 01:38:00 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:38:00 -0800 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <1067995617.593.30.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <20031104201719.B14091@crank.slack.net> <1067995617.593.30.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <200311041738.00442.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 17:26, nosp wrote: > > Is it the intention of the Legacy group to essentially enable a > > similar maintenance/sec/patch schedule to Debian/Stable and > > FreeBSD? > > There was definitely some serious conversation a few weeks ago and I > think the fact that the Legacy project made it to the Fedora > Terminology page is a good indication it's serious. Anyone involved > in that want to speak up? Our current goal is to support a given FC release through the next 2 releases, and a short time into the third release after. A life span of about 17~19 months can be expected for a given FC release. RH will cover the first 7~9 months, Legacy will cover the next 10~ months. Think of it as a 1-2-3-out method. Nov: FC 1 is released. May: FC 2 is released. Jul: RH drops FC 1 support, Legacy picks it up. Nov: FC 3 is released Jan: RH drops FC 2 support, Legacy picks it up, release FC1 becomes deprecated. May: FC 4 is released Jul: RH drops FC 3 support, Legacy picks it up. Jul~Aug: Legacy drops support for FC1 lather, rinse, repeat. RHL 7.3 and 9 are special cases, and will continue to be supported by Legacy for as long as there is community interest in said errata. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? 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You may simply > replace the $releasever by 0.95 in yum.conf to make it work. > FC1 support will be available as soon as the official announcement is > made. > > Le mer 05/11/2003 ? 00:02, Jim Cornette a ?crit : > >>Dams wrote: >> >>>Try http://rpm.livna.org/ >> >>Thanks for the link. It errors out with fedora-release-1-2 installed. >>I'll try it with an earlier release installed. > > I got things working with the older release version installed. I'll answer yes to the instalation when Fedora Core is green lighted. yum upgrade Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - i386 - Base Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.95 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Finding obsoleted packages Resolving dependencies Dependencies resolved I will do the following: [update: fedora-release 1-2.i386] Is this ok [y/N]: I answered y to the question, then tried it again and got the error 404. Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) retrygrab() failed for: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found Thanks for the lead. Jim From kreg at virtual1.net Wed Nov 5 01:50:30 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:50:30 -0500 Subject: others distributions In-Reply-To: <3FA82BD1.8000907@wanadoo.es> References: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA826C9.9000404@lqt.ca> <3FA82BD1.8000907@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3FA85766.5030901@virtual1.net> I'll use Fedora, I do now, and have since Day 1. If the A.R.(After Release) mailing list traffic will be anything like it has been during this beta cycle, I feel comfortable knowing that I will be well informed about security, bug fixes, or whatever. I basically keep my 10+ servers up2date on my own anyway...so what is the diff? I mean I have 3 RHN accounts, and it is convenient for updates, but so is Yum (with correct repos). Now I READ the article about 'Redhat Recommending Windows' and I didn't actually read that into it. I understand where Micheal is coming from, and he is right. Windows is probably best for the Consumer Market right now. I run and ISP, and I think that Linux would work for the email and browsing that most of my customers, but go and buy the Special at Best Buy this weekend and explain why linux is great when their item dosen't have support under linux. Driver support is a problem...Mostly. In the same vein.. I installed Window XP on my machine as a dual boot, and i couldn't get USB 2.0 working out of the box, until I did the 'jumping around like a circus poodle with windows update' to get it working, but same machine worked perfect in RH9... so it goes both ways a little. He did say that it just needs time to mature. Look how far things have come in since 7.3 already. Kreg Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >Paul Pianta wrote: > > > >>im guessing fedora support will be similar to debian support - ie. >>mailing lists, google searches, etc. >> >>so why switch to debian? >> >> > >because Fedora has a short lifetime and Debian >lifetime is unknown }:-) > > > From kreg at virtual1.net Wed Nov 5 01:54:38 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:54:38 -0500 Subject: others distributions In-Reply-To: <3FA85766.5030901@virtual1.net> References: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA826C9.9000404@lqt.ca> <3FA82BD1.8000907@wanadoo.es> <3FA85766.5030901@virtual1.net> Message-ID: <3FA8585E.8040106@virtual1.net> Sorry... Replied to the wrong message... oh well. Kreg Steppe wrote: > I'll use Fedora, I do now, and have since Day 1. If the A.R.(After > Release) mailing list traffic will be anything like it has been during > this beta cycle, I feel comfortable knowing that I will be well > informed about security, bug fixes, or whatever. > > I basically keep my 10+ servers up2date on my own anyway...so what is > the diff? I mean I have 3 RHN accounts, and it is convenient for > updates, but so is Yum (with correct repos). > > Now I READ the article about 'Redhat Recommending Windows' and I > didn't actually read that into it. I understand where Micheal is > coming from, and he is right. Windows is probably best for the > Consumer Market right now. I run and ISP, and I think that Linux would > work for the email and browsing that most of my customers, but go and > buy the Special at Best Buy this weekend and explain why linux is > great when their item dosen't have support under linux. Driver support > is a problem...Mostly. In the same vein.. I installed Window XP on my > machine as a dual boot, and i couldn't get USB 2.0 working out of the > box, until I did the 'jumping around like a circus poodle with windows > update' to get it working, but same machine worked perfect in RH9... > so it goes both ways a little. > > He did say that it just needs time to mature. Look how far things have > come in since 7.3 already. > Kreg > > Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > >> Paul Pianta wrote: >> >> >> >>> im guessing fedora support will be similar to debian support - ie. >>> mailing lists, google searches, etc. >>> >>> so why switch to debian? >>> >> >> >> because Fedora has a short lifetime and Debian >> lifetime is unknown }:-) >> >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From warren at togami.com Wed Nov 5 01:59:28 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:59:28 -1000 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora - Trusted repositories In-Reply-To: <3FA85682.5090802@insight.rr.com> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <3FA709F4.9020107@insight.rr.com> <1067921134.6462.195.camel@gruyere> <3FA8301C.10608@insight.rr.com> <1067992302.7011.16.camel@gruyere> <3FA85682.5090802@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1067997568.11320.52.camel@laptop> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:46, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>>Try http://rpm.livna.org/ > >> > >>Thanks for the link. It errors out with fedora-release-1-2 installed. > >>I'll try it with an earlier release installed. > > It sounds like yum is trying to "autodetect" the release version when the "1" trees at fedora.us and related trees have not yet been created. Warren From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 5 02:02:53 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:02:53 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora - Trusted repositories In-Reply-To: <1067997568.11320.52.camel@laptop> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <3FA6FBF1.1090709@eburg.com> <3FA709F4.9020107@insight.rr.com> <1067921134.6462.195.camel@gruyere> <3FA8301C.10608@insight.rr.com> <1067992302.7011.16.camel@gruyere> <3FA85682.5090802@insight.rr.com> <1067997568.11320.52.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1067997773.1309.12.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 20:59, Warren Togami wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:46, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>>Try http://rpm.livna.org/ > > >> > > >>Thanks for the link. It errors out with fedora-release-1-2 installed. > > >>I'll try it with an earlier release installed. > > > > > It sounds like yum is trying to "autodetect" the release version when > the "1" trees at fedora.us and related trees have not yet been created. > yum doesn't autodetect anything. if you have fedora-release-1-2 then $releasver in the yum.conf becomes 1 there is no 'autodetection' is is simply a variable expansion. -sv From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 02:16:25 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:25 +0800 Subject: OpenOffice.org links missing in test 3 Message-ID: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> Hi everyone, Installed Fedora test 3 yesterday, and OpenOffice.org 1.1.0-2 was installed as part of it. However, there aren't any links to starting OpenOffice.org applications in the menu system, nor are there icons related to it on the Panel. So, it looks like something didn't work somewhere. Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From atarimike at charter.net Wed Nov 5 02:20:33 2003 From: atarimike at charter.net (Mike Harris) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:20:33 -0500 Subject: nvidia module compile under smp Message-ID: I have a P4 with hyperthreading, and I was using a non-smp kernel because it conflicted with my SATA drive. I recently got a bios update, so now I can use the 2.4.22-1.2115.nptlsmp kernel. I am, and it works well. But I can't get the NVidia driver module to compile. It gives me this, and yes I sis `export CC=gcc32`: gcc32 -c -o nv.o nv.c In file included from nv-linux.h:23, from nv.c:14: /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:60: invalid suffix on integer constant /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:60: syntax error before numeric constant /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:61: invalid suffix on integer constant /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:61: syntax error before numeric constant /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:62: `panic_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:68: syntax error before numeric constant /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:68: `simple_strtoul_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:69: invalid suffix on integer constant /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/include/linux/kernel.h:69: syntax error before numeric constant There's about 12 pages of errors like these. Its almost like its using the wrong kernel sources. Any ideas what to do? From yusufg at outblaze.com Wed Nov 5 02:20:24 2003 From: yusufg at outblaze.com (Yusuf Goolamabbas) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:20:24 +0800 Subject: dreppers lkml post on nptl locking issue Message-ID: <20031105022024.GA21847@outblaze.com> Hi Ulrich, I assume that the glibc/nptl version as spun in the FC1 final image might not have this fix Can you describe in more detail the impact of this bug ? Does it only affect putc/stdio stuff or is this more generic. Will there be a rapid erratum for this ? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=106798991616656&w=2 Regards, Yusuf -- If you're not using Firebird, you're not surfing the web you're suffering it http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/why/ From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 02:27:45 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:27:45 +0800 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 Message-ID: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> Hi everyone, After loading Fedora Test 3 yesterday and finding a bug with the OpenOffice.org links, I felt that I might as well do a bug report. However, the process for getting bug reports to the Fedora project is a really complete Pain in the arse - to the point where I very nearly didn't bother in fact - so I'm betting that a lot of other people are also wanting to report bugs but not actually getting it done. Here's the process I followed: + Started Mozilla and it immediately displays the 0.95 Release Notes. Nothing really obvious here on how to report bugs. + Went to the FAQ. Turns out it's just a "general" FAQ with no useful info about reporting bugs. + Clicked on the "Participate" link on the left hand side. It has a "How to Participate" list and one of the listed options is "Reporting Bugs". However, none of the listed options are links to the appropriate places (probably an easy fix, and would be greatly helpful). After looking through all the sections the only one that seems like it's useful for reporting bugs is the "Communicate" one that gives mailing list info. My guts feeling here is that if there is a place for reporting bugs (Bugzilla or something other than having to join a mailing list?) then perhaps it would be beneficial to make it easier for people to find it? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Nov 5 02:31:52 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:31:52 -0500 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <3FA7F935.4050705@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FA7F935.4050705@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1067999512.3883.114.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:08, Douglas Stewart wrote: > Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > > We can't expect all of the vendors to run out tomorrow and start stamping > > "Works in linux!" on the box, but someone could at least provide a > > centralized resource to find out what does and doean't work out of the box > > in linux. > > Linksys NICs have carried a Tux sticker for at least a couple of years now. > > As for a listing, RedHat already does that: > http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/ This is not very complete though. For example, my Olympus D-510Z digital camera works great under Linux since it works as a usb mass-storage device. My Archos MP3 recorder/player works perfect as well. None of these are in this list. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Nov 5 02:43:18 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:43:18 +0900 Subject: Fedora page crashes my Mozilla under RH9 In-Reply-To: <1067999512.3883.114.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <3FA7F935.4050705@atl.lmco.com> <1067999512.3883.114.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FA863C6.5020501@tuins.ac.jp> Now I brought this up before as a curiosity piece of sorts, but it's really got me wondering now. What could it be in the Fedora page that would make my Mozilla 1.2.1 running on RH9 to crash every time within 3 clicks of opening. This happens with no other pages, no matter what the content, not even Red Hat pages. It only happens with the Fedora pages. It doesn't happen on my other machines with the Core on them. I know this isn't a hot issue (it is a RH 9 machine waiting for the upgrade to the Core anyway), but It is so bizarre that I just can't help wondering. Anyway, don't lose any sleep over it, but it you have a clue, clue me in too. rg From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Wed Nov 5 02:54:02 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:54:02 -0500 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <1068000842.3883.118.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:17, Gord Busse wrote: > Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. Well > I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it taking > Linux VERY seriously. > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html I also just read this before you posted it. I wonder what Novell will do about the desktop. SuSE uses KDE by default and most/all of their tools are built for KDE. Novell also just bought Ximian which has the XD2 desktop based on Gnome. I wonder if Novell will use KDE as their default desktop or rip it out and use XD2. The only thing with that is that they will need to make all new admin applications. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From eckenrode.8 at osu.edu Wed Nov 5 03:01:36 2003 From: eckenrode.8 at osu.edu (Randy Eckenrode) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:01:36 -0500 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <1068001296.17335.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Bugs can be filed at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/. The product to use when filing bugs is ?Fedora Core?. --Randy Eckenrode From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Wed Nov 5 03:03:19 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:03:19 -0600 Subject: OpenOffice.org links missing in test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <1068001399.2839.103.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Update to latest OpenOffice.org RPM packages. openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-4 openoffice.org-1.1.0-4 openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-4 You should update all your system with latest packages. At least half of the packages you have currently installed have bugs that have already been fixed in newer packages. El mar, 04-11-2003 a las 20:16, Justin Clift escribi?: > Hi everyone, > > Installed Fedora test 3 yesterday, and OpenOffice.org 1.1.0-2 was > installed as part of it. However, there aren't any links to starting > OpenOffice.org applications in the menu system, nor are there icons > related to it on the Panel. > > So, it looks like something didn't work somewhere. > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 03:04:32 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:04:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <64851.69.68.37.57.1068001472.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Justin Clift said: > Hi everyone, > > After loading Fedora Test 3 yesterday and finding a bug with the > OpenOffice.org links, I felt that I might as well do a bug report. This is a known issue that is fixed in the updated package for OOo. > However, the process for getting bug reports to the Fedora project is a > really complete Pain in the arse - to the point where I very nearly > didn't bother in fact - so I'm betting that a lot of other people are > also wanting to report bugs but not actually getting it done. > > Here's the process I followed: [snip] You go to bugzilla, just like the installation said when it notified you that you were installing a beta. http://bugzilla.redhat.com That said, test for Fedora Core 1 is over. The release was supposed to be Monday, but has been pushed back a bit (as in possibly tomorrow). Please read the archives (and release schedule). -- William Hooper From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 03:07:38 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:07:38 +0800 Subject: OpenOffice.org links missing in test 3 In-Reply-To: <1068001399.2839.103.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> References: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068001399.2839.103.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Message-ID: <3FA8697A.6020006@ims.telstra.com.au> Hi Joel, Thanks. Will have to do it manually, as RHN refuses to get past our proxy (unlike with RH9 where it works ok). Maybe I should file another bug report for that? Where's the best place (or mirror site?) to manually download updated Fedora packages? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Joel Barrios wrote: > Update to latest OpenOffice.org RPM packages. > > openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-4 > openoffice.org-1.1.0-4 > openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-4 > > You should update all your system with latest packages. At least half of > the packages you have currently installed have bugs that have already > been fixed in newer packages. > > El mar, 04-11-2003 a las 20:16, Justin Clift escribi?: > >>Hi everyone, >> >>Installed Fedora test 3 yesterday, and OpenOffice.org 1.1.0-2 was >>installed as part of it. However, there aren't any links to starting >>OpenOffice.org applications in the menu system, nor are there icons >>related to it on the Panel. >> >>So, it looks like something didn't work somewhere. >> >>Regards and best wishes, >> >>Justin Clift > > > Joel Barrios D. > Linux Para Todos > http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 03:10:27 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:10:27 +0800 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <1068001296.17335.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068001296.17335.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA86A23.4060801@ims.telstra.com.au> Hi Randy, Thanks. :) That's cool. The bug report I'm making here though is the problem of users finding that out though. I guess what I'm saying is that this bit of info (about bugzilla.redhat.com and to use "Fedora Core") should be put somewhere obvious in the Fedora release? Having a link directly to it from the HTML page that Mozilla kicks up would be really useful too. Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Randy Eckenrode wrote: > Bugs can be filed at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/. The product to use > when filing bugs is ?Fedora Core?. > > --Randy Eckenrode > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Nov 5 03:17:45 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:17:45 -0500 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <1067992613.5669.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> References: <200311041512.17203.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067992613.5669.5.camel@ibmLaptop.athome.de> Message-ID: <200311042217.45910.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 4, 2003 07:36 pm, Peter Boy , > wrote: > Am Di, den 04.11.2003 schrieb Elton Woo um 21:12: > > Sad, but true.... me, being an ex-TeamOS/2 member... <*SIGH*> > > > > Elton :-( > > Why ex? Is running very well here as my internet gateway (and server > for really very important data) Well, I am no longer an OS/2 user or advocate. I now use Red Hat linux, so to claim membership of TeamOS2 would be dishonest. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Wed Nov 5 03:19:35 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:19:35 -0600 Subject: OpenOffice.org links missing in test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA8697A.6020006@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068001399.2839.103.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> <3FA8697A.6020006@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <1068002375.2839.109.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> jaja. Nope. That was already been fixed too :-) The paths the vresion of up2date you are using do not exist any more. Download latest up2date, up2date-gnome, rhn-applet and rhnlib. Grab'em from http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ You may update using up2date with yum and apt-get repositories. El mar, 04-11-2003 a las 21:07, Justin Clift escribi?: > Hi Joel, > > Thanks. Will have to do it manually, as RHN refuses to get past our > proxy (unlike with RH9 where it works ok). > > Maybe I should file another bug report for that? > > Where's the best place (or mirror site?) to manually download updated > Fedora packages? > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > > > Joel Barrios wrote: > > Update to latest OpenOffice.org RPM packages. > > > > openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-4 > > openoffice.org-1.1.0-4 > > openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-4 > > > > You should update all your system with latest packages. At least half of > > the packages you have currently installed have bugs that have already > > been fixed in newer packages. > > > > El mar, 04-11-2003 a las 20:16, Justin Clift escribi?: > > > >>Hi everyone, > >> > >>Installed Fedora test 3 yesterday, and OpenOffice.org 1.1.0-2 was > >>installed as part of it. However, there aren't any links to starting > >>OpenOffice.org applications in the menu system, nor are there icons > >>related to it on the Panel. > >> > >>So, it looks like something didn't work somewhere. > >> > >>Regards and best wishes, > >> > >>Justin Clift > > > > > > Joel Barrios D. > > Linux Para Todos > > http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 03:25:42 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:25:42 -0500 Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <65259.69.68.37.57.1067995849.squirrel@69.68.37.57>; from whooperhsd3@earthlink.net on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:30:49PM -0500 References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> <20031104201504.GE6186@redhat.com> <1067995008.593.17.camel@earth.xades.com> <65259.69.68.37.57.1067995849.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <20031104222542.C14791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> William Hooper (whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net) said: > The "Driverloader" section has a license the resembles pine: > "Redistribution of this software is only permitted for exact copies > (without modification) of versions explicitly marked and officially > released by Linuxant with the word "free" in their name." > > This unfortunately makes it just as bad to try to maintain as closed > source. Even if someone fixes a bug and/or security issue they can't > redistribute it. It also has a binary-only component to it, unless I'm missing something... Bill From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 03:27:49 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:27:49 +0800 Subject: OpenOffice.org links missing in test 3 In-Reply-To: <1068002375.2839.109.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> References: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068001399.2839.103.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> <3FA8697A.6020006@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068002375.2839.109.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> Message-ID: <3FA86E35.2020106@ims.telstra.com.au> Heh Heh Heh Thanks Joel. :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Joel Barrios wrote: > jaja. Nope. > > That was already been fixed too :-) The paths the vresion of up2date you > are using do not exist any more. > > Download latest up2date, up2date-gnome, rhn-applet and rhnlib. Grab'em > from http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ > > You may update using up2date with yum and apt-get repositories. -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From drepper at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 03:46:41 2003 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:46:41 -0800 Subject: dreppers lkml post on nptl locking issue In-Reply-To: <20031105022024.GA21847@outblaze.com> References: <20031105022024.GA21847@outblaze.com> Message-ID: <3FA872A1.8070607@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yusuf Goolamabbas wrote: > Can you describe in more detail the impact of this bug ? There is no "bug". There is a missed opportunity for optimization. Nothing which would justify any kind of emergency update release etc. No real program but benchmarks will really notice this, no program does 1,000,000 calls to stdio functions and expect this to be fast. Any non-threaded program should in any case use the *_unlocked() variants. Anyway, the change to appease the benchmarks will be in whatever new rawhide version there will be and if/when there is a glibc errata for FC1 it'll be included, too. - -- - --------------. ,-. 444 Castro Street Ulrich Drepper \ ,-----------------' \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA Red Hat `--' drepper at redhat.com `--------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qHKh2ijCOnn/RHQRAnQSAJ91oL4Z07hzBYWGY87HTi4k4CwMWACfTXWA 5LE4R6kUufwXo/+VJJTDiYc= =g73l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zimhat at foou.net Wed Nov 5 03:51:12 2003 From: zimhat at foou.net (Law Horne) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:51:12 -0500 Subject: useing up2date to get software Message-ID: <3FA873B0.7020207@foou.net> |you can run | | up2date --install [PACKAGE NAME] | | For details see man up2date Ok, cool. I kinda figured there would be a cli way to do it. But do you know if there are plan to incorporate it into the gui? I would imagine so. Although I must admit I truly enjoy using yum the way it is. There is just something about cli that is great. I even enjoy surfing around with lynx every once and awhile :) Law From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 03:59:03 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:59:03 +0800 Subject: OpenOffice.org links missing in test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA86E35.2020106@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068001399.2839.103.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> <3FA8697A.6020006@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068002375.2839.109.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> <3FA86E35.2020106@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <3FA87587.6010007@ims.telstra.com.au> Arrrgh, the updated up2date and rhn packages don't help. # rpm -qa | grep rhn rhnlib-1.4-1 rhn-applet-2.1.2-1 # rpm -qa | grep up2date up2date-gnome-4.1.14-2 up2date-4.1.14-2 It doesn't seem to be enabling my proxy config. Every time I right click on the rhn applet and choose to configure it, the proxy info is in there but it's always disabled. (both proxy url and authentication options unticked) From the command line though, if I do: # up2date --configure Then it shows the proxy info as being enabled however. (both proxy url and authentication options ticked) If I try and register this system using: # up2date --register Then it just returns back to the shell prompt. If I do: # up2date --list Then it just errors out with: Fetching package list for channel: fedora-core-1... Fetching http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1/headers/header.info... There was some sort of I/O error: # Looks like it's not taking into account the proxy info (it uses a proxy that needs a username/password combo for getting through). New bug report needed? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Justin Clift wrote: > Heh Heh Heh > > Thanks Joel. > > :) > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > > > Joel Barrios wrote: > >> jaja. Nope. >> >> That was already been fixed too :-) The paths the vresion of up2date you >> are using do not exist any more. >> >> Download latest up2date, up2date-gnome, rhn-applet and rhnlib. Grab'em >> from http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ >> >> You may update using up2date with yum and apt-get repositories. > > > -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 5 04:05:33 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:05:33 -0500 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1068005133.1309.125.camel@binkley> > The problem comes in with the fact that no one in our department is > going to stand for a Fedora rollout/reinstall every 8 or so months.... > to say nothing of the fact that this schedule is going to put our 2 man > IT team into a permanent "get ready for the new release" mode. While I > realize that the Fedora Legacy project has been created to address > these sorts of needs, I guess I'm a little skeptical. > > I sincerely apologize for asking this because I mean no offense... but > is the Fedora Legacy Project going to be something that people like me > can truly depend on? Honestly, I think it will be. But as a counter point: Have you ever really been able to count on a company? I haven't. If red hat gets bought up and decides to change directions for some reason guess where you might be with RHEL? Screwed. That's where. You might have a contract that says they have to support you - but they can offer the minimum possible resources to do that and still be w/i the contract rules. NEVER trust a vendor b/c they are a vendor - I'd much rather trust other opensource developers to do the 'right thing' than I would to trust ANY company to do the 'right thing'. After all, the 'right thing' for a publicly held company is to make the most money for their shareholders. -sv From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 04:28:54 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:28:54 +0800 Subject: Pain with newest up2date RPM's Message-ID: <3FA87C86.1080707@ims.telstra.com.au> Hi all, Am having troubles with up2date, and updating to the latest up2date and rhn packages doesn't help. # rpm -qa | grep rhn rhnlib-1.4-1 rhn-applet-2.1.2-1 # rpm -qa | grep up2date up2date-gnome-4.1.14-2 up2date-4.1.14-2 It doesn't seem to be enabling my proxy config. Every time I right click on the rhn applet and choose to configure it, the proxy info is in there but it's always disabled. (both proxy url and authentication options unticked) From the command line though, if I do: # up2date --configure Then it shows the proxy info as being enabled however. (both proxy url and authentication options ticked) If I try and register this system using: # up2date --register Then it just returns back to the shell prompt. If I do: # up2date --list Then it just errors out with: Fetching package list for channel: fedora-core-1... Fetching http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1/headers/header.info... There was some sort of I/O error: # Looks like it's not taking into account the proxy info (it uses a proxy that needs a username/password combo for getting through). New bug report needed? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Justin Clift wrote: > Heh Heh Heh > > Thanks Joel. > > :) > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > > > Joel Barrios wrote: > >> jaja. Nope. >> >> That was already been fixed too :-) The paths the vresion of up2date you >> are using do not exist any more. >> >> Download latest up2date, up2date-gnome, rhn-applet and rhnlib. Grab'em >> from http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ >> >> You may update using up2date with yum and apt-get repositories. > > > -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Nov 5 05:00:02 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:00:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: while we're waiting for Fedora Core (GA) ... In-Reply-To: <20031104222542.C14791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311041449.56432.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067975890.13443.408.camel@earth.xades.com> <20031104201504.GE6186@redhat.com> <1067995008.593.17.camel@earth.xades.com> <65259.69.68.37.57.1067995849.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <20031104222542.C14791@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > William Hooper (whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net) said: > > The "Driverloader" section has a license the resembles pine: > > "Redistribution of this software is only permitted for exact copies > > (without modification) of versions explicitly marked and officially > > released by Linuxant with the word "free" in their name." > > > > This unfortunately makes it just as bad to try to maintain as closed > > source. Even if someone fixes a bug and/or security issue they can't > > redistribute it. > > It also has a binary-only component to it, unless I'm missing > something... It does -- it's just a shim around the .SYS drivers from Windows XP for the hardware. Not only is the licensing troubling b/c it forbids modification, but there's also the issue of if the Windows drivers are even licensed for use with Linux.... In addition to the licensing and the general cruftiness of how it works, there's also the possibility of it becoming a completely commercial product in the future. The same people make a binary Linux driver (+ wrapper source to wedge it into whatever kernel) for the modem in many laptops. They started out with the driver as a free beta. After the community tested it for them and they had something usable, they turned around and made it a commercial-only product. Some of the noises on their web site sound like they plan on doing something similar with this... At least in the case of their modem driver, I had to modify the source to get it to compile for use with the Fedora Core kernel. It does work though, after you beat the code into submission. later, chris From jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net Wed Nov 5 05:09:15 2003 From: jbarrios at linuxparatodos.net (Joel Barrios) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:09:15 -0600 Subject: OpenOffice.org links missing in test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA87587.6010007@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA85D79.4010701@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068001399.2839.103.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> <3FA8697A.6020006@ims.telstra.com.au> <1068002375.2839.109.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> <3FA86E35.2020106@ims.telstra.com.au> <3FA87587.6010007@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <1068008955.2839.121.camel@linux.linuxparatodos.com.mx> In /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources you must have something like this: yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 yum updates-released http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 Try again, probably just a bad time by coincidence. I have just tested and it's working. # up2date --list Fetching package list for channel: fedora-core-1... Fetching http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1/headers/header.info... ######################################## Fetching package list for channel: updates-released... Fetching http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1/headers/header.info... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: fedora-core-1... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: updates-released... Fetching rpm headers... Name Version Rel ---------------------------------------------------------- El mar, 04-11-2003 a las 21:59, Justin Clift escribi?: > Arrrgh, the updated up2date and rhn packages don't help. > > # rpm -qa | grep rhn > > rhnlib-1.4-1 > rhn-applet-2.1.2-1 > > # rpm -qa | grep up2date > > up2date-gnome-4.1.14-2 > up2date-4.1.14-2 > > > It doesn't seem to be enabling my proxy config. Every time I right > click on the rhn applet and choose to configure it, the proxy info is in > there but it's always disabled. (both proxy url and authentication > options unticked) > > > From the command line though, if I do: > > # up2date --configure > > Then it shows the proxy info as being enabled however. (both proxy url > and authentication options ticked) > > > If I try and register this system using: > > # up2date --register > > Then it just returns back to the shell prompt. > > > If I do: > > # up2date --list > > Then it just errors out with: > > Fetching package list for channel: fedora-core-1... > > Fetching > http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1/headers/header.info... > There was some sort of I/O error: refused')> > # > > > Looks like it's not taking into account the proxy info (it uses a proxy > that needs a username/password combo for getting through). > > New bug report needed? > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > > Joel Barrios D. Linux Para Todos http://www.linuxparatodos.net/ From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Nov 5 05:29:31 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:29:31 +0100 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <20031105062931.5f80f592.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:27:45 +0800, Justin Clift wrote: > After loading Fedora Test 3 yesterday and finding a bug with the > OpenOffice.org links, I felt that I might as well do a bug report. > > However, the process for getting bug reports to the Fedora project is a > really complete Pain in the arse - to the point where I very nearly > didn't bother in fact - so I'm betting that a lot of other people are > also wanting to report bugs but not actually getting it done. > > Here's the process I followed: > > + Started Mozilla and it immediately displays the 0.95 Release Notes. > > Nothing really obvious here on how to report bugs. > > + Went to the FAQ. > > Turns out it's just a "general" FAQ with no useful info about > reporting bugs. > > + Clicked on the "Participate" link on the left hand side. Click on "Home". Bugzilla is mentioned directly on the main page. It's also mentioned during or at the end of installation. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abraxis at metroweb.co.za Wed Nov 5 05:50:01 2003 From: abraxis at metroweb.co.za (Neil Thompson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:50:01 +0200 Subject: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora In-Reply-To: <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> References: <1067871461.3fa66ce5e1bb2@webmail.3web.com> <534E81F8-0F28-11D8-9E14-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20031105055001.GD21353@eeyore.32.boerneef.vornavalley> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:38:07PM -0500, Matthew Walburn wrote: > I sincerely apologize for asking this because I mean no offense... but > is the Fedora Legacy Project going to be something that people like me > can truly depend on? The Fedora Legacy project is not going to be worth anything if everyone sits around expecting it to solve their problems for them. One of the most probable reasons (in my mind) for Red Hat's current moves away from long term maintenance on the Fedora/RHL products is that it costs time and money to do that kind of thing. Most people were not prepared to put in that kind of money, prefering instead to download the isos, use a demo RHN account and throw Red Hat the occasional bone (as in "I buy a copy of RHL at least once a year" - disregarding the fact that they have it installed on at least 10 PCs). If you're going going to want to "truly depend on" Fedora Legacy, you're going to have to cover some of the cost/time by contributing. Testing, creating new packages, back-porting fixes, bug reporting/triaging, etc. Just sitting there waiting for someone else to do it is not going to cut it any more. Cheers! (Relax...have a homebrew) Neil From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Wed Nov 5 06:23:18 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:23:18 +0800 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <20031105062931.5f80f592.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> <20031105062931.5f80f592.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3FA89756.9080907@ims.telstra.com.au> Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:27:45 +0800, Justin Clift wrote: > > >>After loading Fedora Test 3 yesterday and finding a bug with the >>OpenOffice.org links, I felt that I might as well do a bug report. >> >>However, the process for getting bug reports to the Fedora project is a >>really complete Pain in the arse - to the point where I very nearly >>didn't bother in fact - so I'm betting that a lot of other people are >>also wanting to report bugs but not actually getting it done. >> >>Here's the process I followed: >> >> + Started Mozilla and it immediately displays the 0.95 Release Notes. >> >> Nothing really obvious here on how to report bugs. >> >> + Went to the FAQ. >> >> Turns out it's just a "general" FAQ with no useful info about >>reporting bugs. >> >> + Clicked on the "Participate" link on the left hand side. > > > Click on "Home". Bugzilla is mentioned directly on the main page. > It's also mentioned during or at the end of installation. Thanks. I'd somehow missed them, and when I actually "went looking" it didn't appear in any of the places I'd have considered "logical". ;-) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From gerald at zorahlia.com Wed Nov 5 08:22:22 2003 From: gerald at zorahlia.com (Gerald Thompson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:22:22 -0700 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <00b401c3a303$57294e20$4602a8c0@gordo> Message-ID: <000901c3a375$f028e960$6401a8c0@comp1a> --------snip----------- Finally I have a question... with the amount of Open Source developers on the planet, why has there not been a desktop Linux distro developed yet that equals or even surpasses Mac OS X in user friendliness, hardware support and software compatibility. I am sure that it is not due to a lack of developers. Sure, Apple has lots of developers that are being paid full-time, but I am sure that there are many times those developers working part-time on Linux. So even if Apple has 10,000 (just a guess) full time paid developers working on OS X, if there are 100,000 (again just a guess) part-time hobby developers working on Linux... why hasn't Linux equaled or surpassed Mac OS X yet? --------snip----------- I consider myself fairly new to Linux and what I have found already is an almost zealous religious need in the Linux community to keep as much command line based as possible. Because people with technical expertise find it faster to work direct from the command line they have trouble putting themselves back into the end user mindset. Desktop software like Windows XP and MAC OS X are designed with end user desktop users in mind. Look at Win XP Home edition as a good example, it takes Win XP Pro and removes all the admin features that you would use in a business environment. I have Win XP Pro dual booting with RH9, my Win XP is streamlined, all the stupid graphic crap is turned off and it looks like Win NT or Win 2K desktop. I use it because it fixed a lot of the stupid bugs in Win 2K with hardware compatibility. Plus it plays games better. I like having all the admin business related features in my OS, but for most home users they want the flashy graphic thing with the nice little pictures for each user. Another reason Linux is so hard for beginners is archaic documentation and in some cases archaic commands. I am going to use an example from Emacs documentation. In the Emacs documentation they talk about keystroke commands and using the META key. Even though a person would be sorely pressed to even find a computer that has a key labelled META, they don't update the documentation to say ALT. They just put an addendum at the beginning mentioning that META is the same as ALT. For a new computer user this is totally confusing and they will never use Emacs because of it. New users like their documentation to be clear and concise throughout, not to have a short explanation at the beginning explaining the inconsistencies you will find in the rest of the documentation. This is a problem with a lot of documentation in Linux, it assumes you already know certain things. When you create documentation for new users you have to assume they no nothing and that you have to be very clear with ever explanation. You find inconsistencies like this all through Linux documentation, a desire to not simplify documentation, or to make it make sense for the new user. The reason for this is that even to this day the people who use Linux are still the more technically knowledgeable members of the computer community. You will never find a new computer user that will just jump into Linux without ever having used a computer before. There are still things in Linux that are not user friendly and the transition to user-friendly is a very slow process. The fact that Red Hat just came out in the press and said that a new computer user or novice computer user should stick to Windows XP or MAC OS X goes a long way to show you where the mindset is. At this time if you are an intermediate or advanced computer user then Linux can be a viable alternative to you on the personal desktop. If you are a Beginner or Novice user then Windows XP or MAC OS X is the place for you. The server level doesn't count, the server level doesn't need to be user friendly, it just has to be efficient, stable, reliable, and effective. Unix, Novel, Linux, Windows Server, they are all focussed on these items, user-friendly is a secondary concern at the server level. In the end that is what the Fedora project is about, developing new tools, and documentation that may or may not end up in Enterprise Red Hat. Fedora is the test distro phase which will help Red Hat determine what works and does not before it hits the production distribution. If you have a novice computer user friend, don't push them into Linux, for people who just want to turn their computer on and have a friendly easy to use graphic interface they are better off with Win XP and MAC OS X. If you have a friend who has already been using Win XP or MAC OS X and they are looking for something that will give them more power and control over their OS then obviously Linux is a great suggestion for them. Since Novel just bought Suse you are going to see a tremendous change in the Linux landscape now. Novel is about to throw all they have at making Suse a viable alternative to Red Hat and to Microsoft Windows products. This can only benefit us all, competition between Red Hat and Suse means more money into R&D, more improved products. Competition with Windows means a strong determination to create a Linux distro that can penetrate the desktop market. As the Red Hat manager said, give Linux a few more years to mature and it will start producing versions that are just as user-friendly as Windows XP and MAC OS X. By the way, I have always found Mandrake to be a truly user friendly version of Linux, if you have a new user interested in Linux it is a good distro to recommend to them. Sincerely, Gerald Thompson From gerald at zorahlia.com Wed Nov 5 08:38:36 2003 From: gerald at zorahlia.com (Gerald Thompson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:38:36 -0700 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <1067971993.13443.385.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3a378$34584930$6401a8c0@comp1a> -----Original Message----- --------snip----------- That said I think both Apple and the open-source movement probably have a lot fewer developers than you think...and there's also the coordination and guidance that a company like Apple brings versus what the open-source community has. Not that FAOS is bad at all... --------snip----------- One reason I hate Apple is because they are more proprietary than MS is. The only reason they don't get called on their monopolistic and proprietary way of doing things is because they have no market share. The reason Apple doesn't release an Apple OS for Intel computers, because they don't want clone manufacturers to be able to sell MAC OS X. Apple makes their money on the hardware not the OS, the OS upgrades only make them an incidental amount of their money. To me Apple has always been and will always be the most anticompetitive company in the computer industry and I am very glad they don't have controlling market share. Intel for a long time held the monopoly, but on Intel computers you always had several choices for an OS, back in the old days there were lots of flavours of DOS and DOS shells. MS created their new OS shell Win 3.1 which stole from MAC OS, then Win 95 which stole even more from MAC OS. You still had alternatives though on the Intel desktop, you could use OS2, you could keep using unix variations, and eventually you could use Linux. Now Intel is in competition with AMD which is actually producing what most people feel is a superior product. Sorry I just had to rant about Apple for a bit. I know Apple makes an ok product, I just think their business practices are the same if not worse than Microsoft's, we just don't call them on it because they have such a small market share. I have to laugh at Microsoft though, you just know given a few more years of increasing market share by Linux that MS is going to create MS Office for Linux. You can only ignore potential customers for so long. I still remember when old Bill Gates said the Internet would go nowhere. Hehe, I am quite sure that statement will make it into a book of the stupidest business quotes. Sincerely, Gerald Thompson From maxka at myrealbox.com Wed Nov 5 08:58:38 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:58:38 -0800 Subject: [OT] RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <000a01c3a378$34584930$6401a8c0@comp1a> References: <000a01c3a378$34584930$6401a8c0@comp1a> Message-ID: <1068022717.7054.3.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 00:38, Gerald Thompson wrote: > Apple > makes their money on the hardware not the OS, the OS upgrades only make them > an incidental amount of their money. I was just thinking -- that's interesting. Microsoft only makes money on O/S upgrades, and Office. A sort of reverse thing. They _lose money_ on everything else. That's an interesting business practice, isn't it? Probably not one stable for several decades, though, I'd imagine. -M From michalz at olomouc.com Wed Nov 5 09:54:29 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:54:29 +0100 Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: <20031027055854.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> <20031027055854.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FA8C8D5.2080009@olomouc.com> Nazdar, tak jsem se chtel zeptat, jestli se da nainstalovat rh (fedora) tak, ze se vetsina dulezitych veci (kernel, gcc, kde, gnome, mozilla) zkompiluje ze zdrojaku, resp. existuje nejaky nastroj, ktery vybere vhodne balicky pri instalaci a rekompiluje a instaluje v zavislosti na nastavenych parametrech pro dany system? Asi neco jako gentoo? michalz From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Wed Nov 5 10:04:33 2003 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:04:33 +0100 Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: <3FA8C8D5.2080009@olomouc.com> References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> <20031027055854.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FA8C8D5.2080009@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <1068026672.18219.40.camel@sirendipity> Am Mi, den 05.11.2003 schrieb Michal Zeravik um 10:54: > Nazdar, > > tak jsem se chtel zeptat, jestli se da nainstalovat rh (fedora) tak, > ze se vetsina dulezitych veci (kernel, gcc, kde, gnome, mozilla) > zkompiluje ze zdrojaku, resp. existuje nejaky nastroj, ktery > vybere vhodne balicky pri instalaci a rekompiluje a instaluje v zavislosti > na nastavenych parametrech pro dany system? > Asi neco jako gentoo? > > michalz This mailinglist is an english one. I don't understand any of your words which may be tchech. Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany PGP key valid: made 13.07.1999 PGP fingerprint: 2307 88FD 2D41 038E 7416 14CD E197 6E88 ED69 5653 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From veillard at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 10:07:37 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:07:37 -0500 Subject: Pain with newest up2date RPM's In-Reply-To: <3FA87C86.1080707@ims.telstra.com.au>; from jclift@ims.telstra.com.au on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:54PM +0800 References: <3FA87C86.1080707@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <20031105050737.O1428@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:54PM +0800, Justin Clift wrote: > It doesn't seem to be enabling my proxy config. Every time I right > click on the rhn applet and choose to configure it, the proxy info is in > there but it's always disabled. (both proxy url and authentication > options unticked) Note that up2date and the rhn-applet don't use the same configuration files (/etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date and ~/.rhn-applet.conf respectively). Make sure the proxy informations are right in both configuration files. I will investigate the proxy setting interface since I saw a bugzilla bug about this. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From mharris at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 10:27:48 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:27:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: UT2k3 freezes on FCT3 In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03CE@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03CE@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, David Balazic wrote: >Unreal Tournament 2003 ( latest linux patch ) hangs when starting the game. >The picture after the nVidia logo is very distorted. Some random triangles >flying >around instead of that guy shooting. > >gfx card is radeon 8500LE 64 MB. > >Anyone else noticed a similar problem ? You're using a Radeon 8500LE with Nvidia video drivers? ;o) >What should I do ? ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/gdb-xfree86 There are some tricks that are helpful if you need to set breakpoints inside loadable modules and whatnot. I should make a HOWTO sometime I suppose. Hope that helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From michalz at olomouc.com Wed Nov 5 10:29:17 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:29:17 +0100 Subject: rh9 vs. fedora In-Reply-To: <3FA8C8D5.2080009@olomouc.com> References: <3F9CF84A.5010409@olomouc.com> <20031027055854.C2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FA8C8D5.2080009@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <3FA8D0FD.5050105@olomouc.com> sorry, it should be personal message. michalz From patrickm at myway.com Wed Nov 5 10:38:18 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:38:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! Message-ID: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Very nicely put Gerald!! Being new to Linux (2 months+) meant finding out the things you mentioned.Fortunately, I can find my way around and got passed any surprises I discovered (nice example: installing my Nvdia card). What did strike me, is that altough there is a nice graphical layer, much (I should say everything) can/needs to be done by command line (of course depending what you want to do). Nevertheless, being converted from a true Windows freak to a commited (newbie) Linux user, I would not have stayed with Windows if I knew then what I know know. And Fedora is looking like a great step into a new world, more Linux orientated than it is now... Just my thoughts... PatrickM --- On Wed 11/05, Gerald Thompson < gerald at zorahlia.com > wrote:From: Gerald Thompson [mailto: gerald at zorahlia.com]To: fedora-test-list at redhat.comDate: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:22:22 -0700Subject: RE: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question!I consider myself fairly new to Linux and what I ha! ve found already is analmost zealous religious need in the Linux community to keep as much commandline based as possible. Because people with technical expertise find itfaster to work direct from the command line they have trouble puttingthemselves back into the end user mindset. Desktop software like Windows XPand MAC OS X are designed with end user desktop users in mind........Another reason Linux is so hard for beginners is archaic documentation andin some cases archaic commands. I am going to use an example from Emacsdocumentation. In the Emacs documentation they talk about keystrokecommands and using the META key. Even though a person would be sorelypressed to even find a computer that has a key labelled META, they don'tupdate the documentation to say ALT. They just put an addendum at thebeginning mentioning that META is the same as ALT. For a new computer userthis is totally confusing and they will never use Emacs because of it. Newusers like their documentation to be ! clear and concise throughout, not tohave a short explanation ! at the beginning explaining the inconsistencies youwill find in the rest of the documentation........If you have a novice computer user friend, don't push them into Linux, forpeople who just want to turn their computer on and have a friendly easy touse graphic interface they are better off with Win XP and MAC OS X. If youhave a friend who has already been using Win XP or MAC OS X and they arelooking for something that will give them more power and control over theirOS then obviously Linux is a great suggestion for them....Sincerely,Gerald Thompson--fedora-test-list mailing listfedora-test-list at redhat.comhttp://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mharris at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 10:42:13 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:42:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >> > > Any care to speculate on who will acquire Mandrake and when? >> > >> > You have a point. Given the financial situation of Mandrake, I suppose >> > they must be dying to sell. > ><*chuckle*> ... You seem to have given voice to what I've been thinking >secretly: possibly Red Hat will acquire Mandrake ... thereby giving them >access to other markets, and being able to provide products that >are not strictured by US governance (think certain codecs... for example). > >Mandrake is already an rpm-based distro, and though it has diverged somewhat >from the Red Hat Linux structure, it is not totally 'alien'. For that matter, >FC + Mandrake = (possible) shrinkwrap for the SOHO's and hobbyists. With >RHEL for Red Hat's main breadwinner: the corporate customers. > >QED: "everybody wins"! http://www.na.org Thought that might be useful for you to bookmark. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 10:48:09 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:48:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Justin Clift wrote: >After loading Fedora Test 3 yesterday and finding a bug with the >OpenOffice.org links, I felt that I might as well do a bug report. > >However, the process for getting bug reports to the Fedora project is a >really complete Pain in the arse - to the point where I very nearly >didn't bother in fact - so I'm betting that a lot of other people are >also wanting to report bugs but not actually getting it done. > >Here's the process I followed: > > + Started Mozilla and it immediately displays the 0.95 Release Notes. > > Nothing really obvious here on how to report bugs. > > + Went to the FAQ. > > Turns out it's just a "general" FAQ with no useful info about >reporting bugs. > > + Clicked on the "Participate" link on the left hand side. > > It has a "How to Participate" list and one of the listed options is >"Reporting Bugs". However, none of the listed options are links to the >appropriate places (probably an easy fix, and would be greatly helpful). > > After looking through all the sections the only one that seems like >it's useful for reporting bugs is the "Communicate" one that gives >mailing list info. > > My guts feeling here is that if there is a place for reporting bugs >(Bugzilla or something other than having to join a mailing list?) then >perhaps it would be beneficial to make it easier for people to find it? > >Regards and best wishes, I'm kindof surprised you weren't able to find how to report a bug. The proper place is http://bugzilla.redhat.com Perhaps we should make that clearer for newer users who aren't necessarily already familiar with Red Hat or Fedora Core (and previously Red Hat Linux). The default Mozilla page having a link to where to report bugs, or the GUI starting up with a message like that would be a good idea, as well as a bugzilla.redhat.com hyperlink on the desktop. What does everyone else think? -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Nov 5 10:52:14 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:52:14 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, Personally, I think the statement from RH is complete crap. Linux is fit for all and fit for all now. My five year old has been using RH for the past 3 years and whizzes around it faster than any other OS (including Windows at hit school). I've conducted experiments at work with 10 machines, 5 linux and 5 win xp. Both set to *look* the same, so it really was a blind test. They both had OOo 1.1 on, Moz 1.5 and anything else you would expect to see (inc. Evolution and Scribus). EVERY SINGLE PERSON prefered the linux boxes as they were faster, more stable and far simpler to navigate. Over 100 people took part in the experiment as well. Anyone who thinks that Linux is not ready for the home market should look at Lindows and how well that is selling. Linux *is* ready and has been since RH 7.3 (ish). Sheesh! You try like mad to educate people into using machines that do what the user wants and not what MS thinks you want and then the head of the best known Linux company comes out with the pile of utter garbage he did! Talk about opening your mouth to change foot! TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From kjb at dds.nl Wed Nov 5 10:58:51 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: 05 Nov 2003 11:58:51 +0100 Subject: UT2k3 freezes on FCT3 In-Reply-To: References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03CE@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <1068029930.7529.5.camel@topicus6> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 11:27, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, David Balazic wrote: > > >Unreal Tournament 2003 ( latest linux patch ) hangs when starting the game. > >The picture after the nVidia logo is very distorted. Some random triangles > >flying > >around instead of that guy shooting. > > > >gfx card is radeon 8500LE 64 MB. > > > >Anyone else noticed a similar problem ? > > You're using a Radeon 8500LE with Nvidia video drivers? ;o) I believe UT2k3 shows an "optimized for nVidia" logo as part of the opening screens regardless of the type of video card in the machine. Klaasjan From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Nov 5 11:06:17 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:06:17 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200311051106.18690.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 November 2003 10:38, PatrickM wrote: > What did strike me, is that altough there is a nice graphical layer, much > (I should say everything) can/needs to be done by command line (of course > depending what you want to do). Nevertheless, being converted from a true There's a couple of technical reasons why the commandline apps are so widely chosen when the programs are written: - separating the business end of the program action from the user interface is very powerful... somebody can write a GUI layer on top who knows nothing about how the action of the program works, they just make the pretty UI and call through to the commandline app to get things done. If somebody later decides to make a web UI for the thing, again they make no changes to the actual program action but make a thin layer on top. In both cases the program actions continue to live in one place and GUI, web and commandline versions all benefit from updates to the same commandline app with hopefully zero complications. - it makes the program action scriptable with ease, and the program action can be used from within other programs in a clean way, eg xcdroast -> cdrecord - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qNmpjKeDCxMJCTIRAur+AJ0fQOieAsxXfDw3lmy3Qfns9+Q7TQCfaIke ZfESVrZgJoGYavvQmGlpuqQ= =5Ab/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Nov 5 11:13:25 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:13:25 +0000 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <200311051113.26451.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 November 2003 10:48, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Perhaps we should make that clearer for newer users who aren't > necessarily already familiar with Red Hat or Fedora Core (and > previously Red Hat Linux). The default Mozilla page having a > link to where to report bugs, or the GUI starting up with a > message like that would be a good idea, as well as a > bugzilla.redhat.com hyperlink on the desktop. > > What does everyone else think? Definitely... the desktop link is a real winner since people will notice it and ignore it, but know where to find it when they need it. Another link to the main Fedora site would be great too, especially if it was a subpage that had a bunch of hints and topics for newbies, like "where can I get MP3 support" and "how can I play mpg movies on Fedora"? These are going to be the questions in literally millions of minds after install. These folks didn't read about the history of Fedora and don't understand the project structure and reasons for restrictions, they just want to play MP3s and if they can't do that 10 minutes after install the OS is broken in their view. So finding some way to point to the necessary packages in third party repositories, with whatever disclaimers, would be a great thing. And you don't have to worry about the DOJ, since unlike MSFT being pulled up for links on its default desktop, ANYONE can wrap the OS to create their own version with their own links FOC. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qNtVjKeDCxMJCTIRAmExAJ9LsCdov7bbjY7VoROez6bdddl2WwCeNRdF KCZz2XtZ/ftWDgT4Un5s6MI= =f+rW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 5 11:15:44 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:15:44 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3FA8DBE0.20509@gmx.de> PFJ wrote: >Personally, I think the statement from RH is complete crap. > >Linux is fit for all and fit for all now. > fit for all ? fit for all now ? == fit for *all* nvidias powerof3d/demos ? http://nvidia.com/page/powerof3d.html http://www.nvidia.de/page/demos.html -- shrek-m From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Nov 5 11:25:20 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:25:20 +0200 (EET) Subject: Pain with newest up2date RPM's In-Reply-To: <20031105050737.O1428@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:54PM +0800, Justin Clift wrote: > > It doesn't seem to be enabling my proxy config. Every time I right > > click on the rhn applet and choose to configure it, the proxy info is in > > there but it's always disabled. (both proxy url and authentication > > options unticked) > > Note that up2date and the rhn-applet don't use the same configuration > files (/etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date and ~/.rhn-applet.conf respectively). > Make sure the proxy informations are right in both configuration files. Just how many places do we need for proxy configuration in a system :-/ Not complaining about up2date / rhn-applet specifically, I just find it plain annoying that to (pre)configure a system to use proxies where necessary involves entering essentially the same data into 20 different places, each with slightly different format. Would be a major lobbying effort to get every (relevant) internet-aware program to agree using a single proxy configuration location + format of course.. but would be well worth the effort I think. Ok Gnome2 has a common place to speficy it but that's "hidden" in gconf instead of a plain old textfile making it not-so-nice for things like wget etc. > I will investigate the proxy setting interface since I saw a bugzilla > bug about this. Since up2date and rhn-applet are so closely related (at least seemingly so to the user) it'd be nice if at least those would share the settings.. - Panu - From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Nov 5 11:27:37 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:27:37 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <3FA8DBE0.20509@gmx.de> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <3FA8DBE0.20509@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1068031657.1562.39.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > >Personally, I think the statement from RH is complete crap. > > > >Linux is fit for all and fit for all now. > > > > fit for all ? > fit for all now ? > > == fit for *all* nvidias powerof3d/demos ? If you have the driver and a good enough box, you can use them. TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From veillard at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 11:32:53 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:32:53 -0500 Subject: Pain with newest up2date RPM's In-Reply-To: ; from pmatilai@welho.com on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 01:25:20PM +0200 References: <20031105050737.O1428@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031105063253.S1428@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 01:25:20PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > Would be a major lobbying effort to get every (relevant) internet-aware > program to agree using a single proxy configuration location + format of > course.. but would be well worth the effort I think. Ok Gnome2 has a > common place to speficy it but that's "hidden" in gconf instead of a plain > old textfile making it not-so-nice for things like wget etc. the historical way has been the http_proxy environment variable. > > I will investigate the proxy setting interface since I saw a bugzilla > > bug about this. > > Since up2date and rhn-applet are so closely related (at least seemingly so > to the user) it'd be nice if at least those would share the settings.. we are trying to solve the issue. But one program runs as root, the other under the user account, there have been security issues which historically led to have separate file, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From adwint at pandora.be Wed Nov 5 11:36:54 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:36:54 +0100 Subject: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver Message-ID: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I suggest Fedora should make life a little easier for nVidia users. It is far from obvious howto get the right kernel source rpm installed (in the right place), in order to have the nvidia installer compile the driver without any nagging about missing kernel-header files etc. I remember being a linux newbie about a year ago. This was one very confusing item I had to deal with. Albert From patrickm at myway.com Wed Nov 5 11:41:57 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:41:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! Message-ID: <20031105114157.15A2E39A1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Thanks for explaining that, Andy! I didn't know that, it makes sense. That's the difference between Windows and Linux. I'm still thinking sometimes in Windows-terms (but my doctor says I'm improving ;-) PatrickM --- On Wed 11/05, Andy Green < fedora at warmcat.com > wrote: There's a couple of technical reasons why the commandline apps are so widely chosen when the programs are written: - separating the business end of the program action from the user interface is very powerful... somebody can write a GUI layer on top who knows nothing about how the action of the program works, they just make the pretty UI and call through to the commandline app to get things done. If somebody later decides to make a web UI for the thing, again they make no changes to the actual program action but make a thin layer on top. In both cases the program actions continue to live in one place and GUI, web and commandline versions all benefit from updates to the same commandline app with hopefully zero complications. - it makes the program action scriptable with ease, and the program action can be used from within other programs in a clean way, eg xcdroast -> cdrecord - -Andy _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 5 11:43:58 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:43:58 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20031105114358.GA8369@orient.maison> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:52:14AM +0000, PFJ wrote: > > I've conducted experiments at work with 10 machines, 5 linux and 5 win > xp. Both set to *look* the same, so it really was a blind test. They > both had OOo 1.1 on, Moz 1.5 and anything else you would expect to see > (inc. Evolution and Scribus). Counter-strike? Any game that relies on DirectX? Download Accelerator? The Sims I've tried this experiment with Mozilla/OOo/Linux and people refused to even try it out. They just took one look at it and demanded Outlook Express, MS Office and Windows. Emmanuel From patrickm at myway.com Wed Nov 5 11:47:20 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:47:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 Message-ID: <20031105114720.7310139A7@mprdmxin.myway.com> Would the Fedora website be useful for this? Let's say a link to a "Support" section would be convienent. There a user could find what (s)he needs: items that are on the site or links to other help sites. PatrickM --- On Wed 11/05, Andy Green < fedora at warmcat.com > wrote: From: Andy Green [mailto: fedora at warmcat.com] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:13:25 +0000 Subject: Re: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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On Wednesday 05 November 2003 10:48, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> Perhaps we should make that clearer for newer users who aren't
> necessarily already familiar with Red Hat or Fedora Core (and
> previously Red Hat Linux). The default Mozilla page having a
> link to where to report bugs, or the GUI starting up with a
> message like that would be a good idea, as well as a
> bugzilla.redhat.com hyperlink on the desktop.
>
> What does everyone else think?

Definitely... the desktop link is a real winner since people will notice it
and ignore it, but know where to find it when they need it. Another link to
the main Fedora site would be great too, especially if it was a subpage that
had a bunch of hints and topics for newbies, like "where can I get MP3
support" and "how can I play mpg movies on Fedora"? These are going to be
the questions in literally millions of minds after! install. These folks
didn't read about the history of Fedora and don't understand the project
structure and reasons for restrictions, they just want to play MP3s and if
they can't do that 10 minutes after install the OS is broken in their view.
So finding some way to point to the necessary packages in third party
repositories, with whatever disclaimers, would be a great thing.

And you don't have to worry about the DOJ, since unlike MSFT being pulled up
for links on its default desktop, ANYONE can wrap the OS to create their own
version with their own links FOC.

- -Andy
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From adwint at pandora.be Wed Nov 5 11:49:09 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:49:09 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <20031105114358.GA8369@orient.maison> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <20031105114358.GA8369@orient.maison> Message-ID: <1068032949.7685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> I know about people who refuse life saving threatment when they have been diagnosed with cancer. Unfortunately, this is not a joke. > > I've tried this experiment with Mozilla/OOo/Linux and people refused > to even try it out. They just took one look at it and demanded Outlook > Express, MS Office and Windows. > > Emmanuel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From patrickm at myway.com Wed Nov 5 11:50:55 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:50:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! Message-ID: <20031105115055.8527D39AB@mprdmxin.myway.com> Yeah, I know that: "it's different from Windows, so I can't use it". And after they worked with it for some time, the noise was gone. People are always affraid of changes, they always run back to something that is old and that they are accustomed to. The same goes for hardware manufactureres, why try something new? They blindly follow Microsoft... Of course there are exceptions, not much, but they are. PatrickM --- On Wed 11/05, Emmanuel Seyman < seyman at wanadoo.fr > wrote: From: Emmanuel Seyman [mailto: seyman at wanadoo.fr] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:43:58 +0100 Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:52:14AM +0000, PFJ wrote:
>
> I've conducted experiments at work with 10 machines, 5 linux and 5 win
> xp. Both set to *look* the same, so it really was a blind test. They
> both had OOo 1.1 on, Moz 1.5 and anything else you would expect to see
> (inc. Evolution and Scribus).

Counter-strike?
Any game that relies on DirectX?
Download Accelerator?
The Sims

I've tried this experiment with Mozilla/OOo/Linux and people refused
to even try it out. They just took one look at it and demanded Outlook
Express, MS Office and Windows.

Emmanuel


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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Nov 5 11:54:35 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:54:35 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <20031105114358.GA8369@orient.maison> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <20031105114358.GA8369@orient.maison> Message-ID: <1068033275.1583.48.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > Any game that relies on DirectX? > Download Accelerator? > The Sims Okay, it depends on the test. If you want games which use directx, you install WineX and let that do the hardware. The Sims is available for linux as well. Download accelerator is plain evil. > I've tried this experiment with Mozilla/OOo/Linux and people refused > to even try it out. They just took one look at it and demanded Outlook > Express, MS Office and Windows. Did you have it set up so they had exactly the same theme etc? I ensured as plain a playing field as possible by having a hack on the windowing software in Windows so the application name never appeared on the banner and also no splash screens came up. I said they were both base installs as well. TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From adwint at pandora.be Wed Nov 5 11:59:59 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:59:59 +0100 Subject: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> The Fedora installer might include the option to install the kernel-source rpm by default, whenever an nVidia card is detected. On step further might be to present the nVidia installer after the Fedora installation has finished. The user would have the option to get the 3D driver installed immediately. Would the nVidia company have any objections? Op wo 05-11-2003, om 12:36 schreef Albert DE WINT: > I suggest Fedora should make life a little easier for nVidia users. > > It is far from obvious howto get the right kernel source rpm installed > (in the right place), in order to have the nvidia installer compile the > driver without any nagging about missing kernel-header files etc. > > I remember being a linux newbie about a year ago. This was one very > confusing item I had to deal with. > > Albert > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From pauln at truemesh.com Wed Nov 5 12:14:31 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:14:31 +0000 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:00:25AM -0600, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > In > http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ > you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. Could you provide src.rpms too please :) > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. I assume you hacked archwork.py which is where the compat stuff is done. Could you post a diff please - I'm just curious as I've been looking at fixing this, and it's possible you've done this already so it works on both ppc64 with 32 bit compat and ppc32 only. > A version of mkinitrd that doesn't require ppc64-utils. Do you require pmac-utils, I've built a package of that. I was wondering about how this package should be structured as ppc64-utils could provide pmac-utils. > A version of fedora-release for ppc. I assume you just edited ExclusiveArch: rather than write ppc specific release-notes :) FWIW there is a new YDL kernel available (thanks Dan): ftp://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog/updates/yellowdog-3.0.1/ppc/ Paul From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Nov 5 12:14:44 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:14:44 +0200 (EET) Subject: Pain with newest up2date RPM's In-Reply-To: <20031105063253.S1428@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 01:25:20PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > Would be a major lobbying effort to get every (relevant) internet-aware > > program to agree using a single proxy configuration location + format of > > course.. but would be well worth the effort I think. Ok Gnome2 has a > > common place to speficy it but that's "hidden" in gconf instead of a plain > > old textfile making it not-so-nice for things like wget etc. > > the historical way has been the http_proxy environment variable. Sure, most commandline (and many other programs as well) support http_proxy, but then there are gazillion of things which don't, and for autoproxy configuration there's no similar thing so you end up parsing your autoproxy config into /etc/profile.d/proxy.sh & the like.. Of course whether an application supports autoproxy configuration is an different issue entirely. > > > > I will investigate the proxy setting interface since I saw a bugzilla > > > bug about this. > > > > Since up2date and rhn-applet are so closely related (at least seemingly so > > to the user) it'd be nice if at least those would share the settings.. > > we are trying to solve the issue. But one program runs as root, > the other under the user account, there have been security issues which > historically led to have separate file, /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date might've well been non-world readable if memory serves, if that's what you mean. - Panu - From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 5 12:30:00 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:30:00 +0100 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <1068031657.1562.39.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <3FA8DBE0.20509@gmx.de> <1068031657.1562.39.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3FA8ED48.9070309@gmx.de> PFJ wrote: >>>Personally, I think the statement from RH is complete crap. >>> >>>Linux is fit for all and fit for all now. >>> >>> >>fit for all ? >>fit for all now ? >> >>== fit for *all* nvidias powerof3d/demos ? >> >> > >If you have the driver and a good enough box, you can use them. > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm [...]Red Hat's chief executive has said that Linux needs to mature further before home users will get a positive experience from the operating system, saying they should choose Windows instead. [...]"I would argue that from the device-driver standpoint[...] >TTFN > ta ta for now ? if this would be your answer to an linux-newbie with a "good enough box without the driver" he would say "ta ta linux for ever, where is my win-xp cd ?!" bye -- shrek-m From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Nov 5 12:34:51 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:34:51 +0000 Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <3FA8ED48.9070309@gmx.de> References: <20031105103818.DD122398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1068029534.1583.37.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <3FA8DBE0.20509@gmx.de> <1068031657.1562.39.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <3FA8ED48.9070309@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1068035691.1560.52.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm > > [...]Red Hat's chief executive has said that Linux needs to mature > further before home users will get a positive experience from the > operating system, saying they should choose Windows instead. > [...]"I would argue that from the device-driver standpoint[...] The linux nVidia driver is fine as are the scanner, printer and USB drivers - the only thing I've ever had problems with are some of the legacy network cards. > if this would be your answer to an linux-newbie with a "good enough box > without the driver" > he would say "ta ta linux for ever, where is my win-xp cd ?!" I wouldn't answer the question in the same way to a Linux newbie - I doubt anyone would (unless they work for MS that is!). Newbies are a those you need to lead gently and who also have all hells job getting XP to work as well! TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From pauln at truemesh.com Wed Nov 5 12:52:56 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:52:56 +0000 Subject: Bug Day Episode IV - A New Hope Message-ID: <20031105125250.GC31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Yet again Wednesday has arrived, it's time to head over to your friendly cantina at #fedora-bugs and do some triaging. Same drill as usual - sticking with theme of blockers only 66 left there. If people are good we can choose a new and exciting theme for next week :) http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraTriage For those who want even more details - the original Bug Day post can be found here - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-October/msg00681.html Paul From paul at frields.com Wed Nov 5 12:58:54 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 05 Nov 2003 07:58:54 -0500 Subject: Fedora page crashes my Mozilla under RH9 In-Reply-To: <3FA863C6.5020501@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3FA7F935.4050705@atl.lmco.com> <1067999512.3883.114.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <3FA863C6.5020501@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1068037133.3934.7.camel@london.east.gov> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:43, rg wrote: > Now I brought this up before as a curiosity piece of sorts, but it's > really got me wondering now. What could it be in the Fedora page that > would make my Mozilla 1.2.1 running on RH9 to crash every time within 3 > clicks of opening. This happens with no other pages, no matter what the > content, not even Red Hat pages. It only happens with the Fedora pages. > It doesn't happen on my other machines with the Core on them. Hmm, works fine for me under Red Hat Linux 9 with Mozilla 1.2.1. $ rpm -q mozilla mozilla-1.2.1-26 -- Paul W. Frields From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Wed Nov 5 13:04:40 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:04:40 -0500 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 Message-ID: <1068037480.7080.9.camel@Darkstar> Perhaps we should make that clearer for newer users who aren't necessarily already familiar with Red Hat or Fedora Core (and previously Red Hat Linux). The default Mozilla page having a link to where to report bugs, or the GUI starting up with a message like that would be a good idea, as well as a bugzilla.redhat.com hyperlink on the desktop. What does everyone else think? _______________________________________________________________ Personally I think just a Icon on the desktop with a hyperlink to bugzilla. Or maybe a link in the dropdown menu under Internet. Another thought. Why not, when you first boot up there is a message saying "Would you like me to create an icon on your desktop for Bugzilla." and if you said yes it creates the icon and the hyperlink. For me I just go to the bugzilla page and bookmark it. Just my thoughts Mike From eric at interplas.com Wed Nov 5 13:11:41 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:11:41 -0500 Subject: redhat recommends windows References: <1067982477.10350.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <011501c3a39e$5aadb680$9100000a@intgrp.com> Jason Kurtz wrote: > Wheres my free copy of enterprise lmao. > > Just a rant..... recompiling RHES 3 from SRPMs and rolling your own "RedHat Advanced Server": this process is outlined at: http://www2.uibk.ac.at/zid/software/unix/linux/rhel-rebuild.htm And a mailing list for discussions on this and related topics: http://www.mail-archive.com/rhel-rebuild-l at uibk.ac.at/ But obviously RH want be able to offer any kind of support because they don't know how you "rolled your own". -eric wood From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 5 13:22:42 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:22:42 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1068038562.1309.147.camel@binkley> > > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > > I assume you hacked archwork.py which is where the compat stuff is done. > Could you post a diff please - I'm just curious as I've been looking at > fixing this, and it's possible you've done this already so it works on > both ppc64 with 32 bit compat and ppc32 only. If someone has patches for yum I'd appreciate seeing them in yum's bugzilla. -sv From paul at frields.com Wed Nov 5 13:30:21 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 05 Nov 2003 08:30:21 -0500 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <1068037480.7080.9.camel@Darkstar> References: <1068037480.7080.9.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <1068039021.3934.15.camel@london.east.gov> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 08:04, Mike Lurk wrote: > Perhaps we should make that clearer for newer users who aren't > necessarily already familiar with Red Hat or Fedora Core (and > previously Red Hat Linux). The default Mozilla page having a > link to where to report bugs, or the GUI starting up with a > message like that would be a good idea, as well as a > bugzilla.redhat.com hyperlink on the desktop. > > What does everyone else think? > _______________________________________________________________ > Personally I think just a Icon on the desktop with a hyperlink to > bugzilla. Or maybe a link in the dropdown menu under Internet. Another > thought. Why not, when you first boot up there is a message saying > "Would you like me to create an icon on your desktop for Bugzilla." and > if you said yes it creates the icon and the hyperlink. Great idea, to make this part of firstboot. That would also be an ideal time to not just ask the question, but mention what bugzilla is for. If there is going to be a FAQ as someone mentioned, I would make that part of an overall group of links created, and just ask if the user wants the group (of course, making it sound so good they just CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT THEM!). :-) -- Paul W. Frields From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Nov 5 13:40:34 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:40:34 +0000 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <1068039021.3934.15.camel@london.east.gov> References: <1068037480.7080.9.camel@Darkstar> <1068039021.3934.15.camel@london.east.gov> Message-ID: <200311051340.35241.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 November 2003 13:30, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Great idea, to make this part of firstboot. That would also be an ideal > time to not just ask the question, but mention what bugzilla is for. If > there is going to be a FAQ as someone mentioned, I would make that part Disagree -- firstboot is a bit evil because it is oneshot. They might decide later they do want Bugzilla and have to find access another way, that's a MSFT-type clippy-kinda-fragile-helpful trick. Besides, personally I click click click through any such impediments to get to the OS to find if my apps are still working :-) Then I might relax later and want to hear about such things. If it is on the desktop they are at least going to investigate it before deleting it. Something on the "start applications" menu button might be good too. Wherever you mention it, noting that its the place not just for bugs (BUGzilla is kind of perjorative) but for RFEs and sorta tech support would be good... as would pointing to the mls and ml archive. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qP3SjKeDCxMJCTIRAh31AJ9XMG56GsSKGMTVn2KcgVkYFfiO0ACfbQyd eWbwlDtPVfMXac8biNh5ixY= =ZCJU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 13:58:25 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:58:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question! In-Reply-To: <20031105114358.GA8369@orient.maison> from "Emmanuel Seyman" at Tach 05, 2003 12:43:58 Message-ID: <200311051358.hA5DwP918775@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Counter-strike? > Any game that relies on DirectX? > Download Accelerator? > The Sims > > I've tried this experiment with Mozilla/OOo/Linux and people refused > to even try it out. They just took one look at it and demanded Outlook > Express, MS Office and Windows. Those are the most challenging people of all. For a lot of people who don't even know what an outlook is they don't care. "Does it have an email". For business the same is true. The boss says you use xyz, you use xyz or have a very good answer why not. And counterstrike generally isnt a good answer ;). Small business can be challenging because a tiny number of systems often run a huge range of applications and the business needs them all on "the computer" while bigger business is happy to deploy systems to fit needs, and sometimes (not always) is in a position to understand the bigger shifts to things like thin client, desktop on demand, hot desking, and 'gee we can put 40 services on the same computer now'. Alan From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Nov 5 14:43:17 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:17 -0500 Subject: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> Albert DE WINT wrote: > The Fedora installer might include the option to install the > kernel-source rpm by default, whenever an nVidia card is detected. > > On step further might be to present the nVidia installer after the > Fedora installation has finished. The user would have the option to get > the 3D driver installed immediately. > > Would the nVidia company have any objections? > I don't think the objection is on nVidia's end, it's on RedHat's end. The nVidia drivers are closed-source, which goes against the philosophy of RH distros. -- ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur From adwint at pandora.be Wed Nov 5 15:00:10 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:00:10 +0100 Subject: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1068044409.7685.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ok, allow me to rephrase. Could there be any objection against a script to clear the path to the nvidia installer and to install the kernel-source rpm by default, anticipating the newbie linux user to run the nvidia installer himself after the intial Fedora install? Op wo 05-11-2003, om 15:43 schreef Douglas Stewart: > Albert DE WINT wrote: > > The Fedora installer might include the option to install the > > kernel-source rpm by default, whenever an nVidia card is detected. > > > > On step further might be to present the nVidia installer after the > > Fedora installation has finished. The user would have the option to get > > the 3D driver installed immediately. > > > > Would the nVidia company have any objections? > > > > I don't think the objection is on nVidia's end, it's on RedHat's end. > The nVidia drivers are closed-source, which goes against the philosophy > of RH distros. From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Nov 5 15:07:43 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:07:43 -0500 Subject: Please reduce the noise Message-ID: <1068044863.1962.9.camel@dbxwsd21> Wonderful discussions about the business decisions of Redhat and marketing of Linux in general. But....please remember that there are other fedora lists that might be a more appropriate forum for these discussions. I'm getting over 100 messages from this list overnight. As an end user, I'd like to think that the developers can use this list as an efficient way to communicate development issues with each other and with their user base. Please be mindful of the purpose of this list. I know I have been guilty of noise on many lists, so I'll take my own advice and -- Will From streeter at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 15:11:36 2003 From: streeter at redhat.com (Guy M. Streeter) Date: 05 Nov 2003 09:11:36 -0600 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1068045095.1034.5.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 06:14, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:00:25AM -0600, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > > In > > http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ > > you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. > > Could you provide src.rpms too please :) > > > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > > I assume you hacked archwork.py which is where the compat stuff is done. > Could you post a diff please - I'm just curious as I've been looking at > fixing this, and it's possible you've done this already so it works on > both ppc64 with 32 bit compat and ppc32 only. Yes, I just took ppc64 out of the list in archwork.py. That means it won't work for a ppc64 arch. It isn't a solution, it's a hack. :) > > > A version of mkinitrd that doesn't require ppc64-utils. > > Do you require pmac-utils, I've built a package of that. I was > wondering about how this package should be structured as ppc64-utils > could provide pmac-utils. I just removed the requirement for ppc64-utils. Once again, a hack, not a fix. > > > A version of fedora-release for ppc. > > I assume you just edited ExclusiveArch: rather than write ppc specific > release-notes :) Yep! > > FWIW there is a new YDL kernel available (thanks Dan): > > ftp://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog/updates/yellowdog-3.0.1/ppc/ Dan's the man! btw, I'm running 2.6.0-test9 from bk://ppc.bkbits.net:8080/linuxppc-2.5 on my iMac DV, and it seems to be working fine. > > Paul > --Guy From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 15:12:02 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:12:02 -0600 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: References: <3FA86021.50902@ims.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <1068045121.5491.12.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 04:48, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Perhaps we should make that clearer for newer users who aren't > necessarily already familiar with Red Hat or Fedora Core (and > previously Red Hat Linux). The default Mozilla page having a > link to where to report bugs, or the GUI starting up with a > message like that would be a good idea, as well as a > bugzilla.redhat.com hyperlink on the desktop. > > What does everyone else think? All three ideas sound fine. They are not in any way advertisements, but pointers to a source of relief for the user. Something that repeatedly makes the location obvious would be very useful. I remember being frustrated by not knowing how to report bugs when I started. There is already a prominent link on the Fedora Project home page, but the original poster evidently didn't think to check there. Gerry From streeter at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 15:14:15 2003 From: streeter at redhat.com (Guy M. Streeter) Date: 05 Nov 2003 09:14:15 -0600 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068038562.1309.147.camel@binkley> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <1068038562.1309.147.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1068045255.1034.9.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 07:22, seth vidal wrote: > > > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > > > > I assume you hacked archwork.py which is where the compat stuff is done. > > Could you post a diff please - I'm just curious as I've been looking at > > fixing this, and it's possible you've done this already so it works on > > both ppc64 with 32 bit compat and ppc32 only. > > If someone has patches for yum I'd appreciate seeing them in yum's > bugzilla. I didn't submit my change because it isn't a good solution. I'm not familiar enough with yum to make useful suggestions, I just wanted to upgrade my iMac. --Guy From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 5 15:14:35 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 05 Nov 2003 10:14:35 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068045095.1034.5.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <1068045095.1034.5.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 10:11, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 06:14, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:00:25AM -0600, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > > > In > > > http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ > > > you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. > > > > Could you provide src.rpms too please :) > > > > > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > > > > I assume you hacked archwork.py which is where the compat stuff is done. > > Could you post a diff please - I'm just curious as I've been looking at > > fixing this, and it's possible you've done this already so it works on > > both ppc64 with 32 bit compat and ppc32 only. > > Yes, I just took ppc64 out of the list in archwork.py. That means it > won't work for a ppc64 arch. It isn't a solution, it's a hack. :) I'm a bit confused -ppc64 binaries should archscore away from ever being used on a ppc machine - like athlon's archscore away from an i686. -sv From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Nov 5 15:20:30 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:20:30 -0500 Subject: [OT] Re: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <1068044409.7685.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> <1068044409.7685.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1068045630.24282.42.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 10:00, Albert DE WINT wrote: > Ok, allow me to rephrase. Could there be any objection against a script > to clear the path to the nvidia installer and to install the > kernel-source rpm by default, anticipating the newbie linux user to run > the nvidia installer himself after the intial Fedora install? > The nvidia installer doesn't need the kernel-source package if you're running a "stock" kernel that comes with a release. This is because nvidia provides the modules precompiled on their site, and the installer will download them automatically. Kernel-source is only needed for such things as the test releases, or non-stock kernels, which are not being run by newbies. I don't know for certain, but I assume that nvidia will be releasing versions of their modules for Fedora Core 1 kernels, upon FC1's release. Therefore, what you request is completely unnecessary. This is off-topic for this list. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From streeter at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 15:24:21 2003 From: streeter at redhat.com (Guy M. Streeter) Date: 05 Nov 2003 09:24:21 -0600 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <1068045095.1034.5.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1068045861.1034.12.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 09:14, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 10:11, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 06:14, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:00:25AM -0600, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > > > > In > > > > http://people.redhat.com/streeter/ > > > > you'll find some rpms that will make an upgrade go more smoothly. > > > > > > Could you provide src.rpms too please :) > > > > > > > A version of yum that doesn't look in the ppc64 arch for ppc rpms. > > > > > > I assume you hacked archwork.py which is where the compat stuff is done. > > > Could you post a diff please - I'm just curious as I've been looking at > > > fixing this, and it's possible you've done this already so it works on > > > both ppc64 with 32 bit compat and ppc32 only. > > > > Yes, I just took ppc64 out of the list in archwork.py. That means it > > won't work for a ppc64 arch. It isn't a solution, it's a hack. :) > > > I'm a bit confused -ppc64 binaries should archscore away from ever > being used on a ppc machine - like athlon's archscore away from an i686. All I can tell you is that it didn't happen. yum tried to use ppc64 packages to resolve dependencies while upgrading my iMac. --Guy From pauln at truemesh.com Wed Nov 5 15:27:39 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:27:39 +0000 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <1068045095.1034.5.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031105152736.GF31078@shitake.truemesh.com> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:14:35AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 10:11, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > > Yes, I just took ppc64 out of the list in archwork.py. That means it > > won't work for a ppc64 arch. It isn't a solution, it's a hack. :) > > > I'm a bit confused -ppc64 binaries should archscore away from ever > being used on a ppc machine - like athlon's archscore away from an i686. Yes but the headers still get downloaded I believe. Paul From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 5 15:35:56 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 05 Nov 2003 10:35:56 -0500 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068045861.1034.12.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <1068045095.1034.5.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> <1068045861.1034.12.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068046555.30152.7.camel@opus> > All I can tell you is that it didn't happen. yum tried to use ppc64 > packages to resolve dependencies while upgrading my iMac. hold on - tried to use the packages or tried to use the headers as one option? -sv From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 5 16:41:38 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:41:38 -0800 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068045861.1034.12.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> <1068045861.1034.12.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311050841.39772.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 November 2003 07:24, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > All I can tell you is that it didn't happen. yum tried to use ppc64 > packages to resolve dependencies while upgrading my iMac. This was due to an improperly built mkinird package that specifically required a ppc64 package. Yum actually noted the dep, but refused to install the ppc64 package for me. I pulled down the source rpm and removed the erroneous Requires:. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qShC4v2HLvE71NURAqJvAJ9D2+IDO+rFko5Ck2SVFvQ8DCpcPQCffJ4K sWfx6EWQkmTLlzHBQ81NSZE= =hkKH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adwint at pandora.be Wed Nov 5 15:45:10 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:45:10 +0100 Subject: [OT] Re: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <1068045630.24282.42.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> <1068044409.7685.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068045630.24282.42.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <1068047110.7685.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Kernel-source is only needed for such > things as the test releases, or non-stock kernels, which are not being > run by newbies. I know about newbies that run a non stock-kernel after 'up2date' suggested to upgrade the kernel, which they did. > I don't know for certain, but I assume that nvidia > will be releasing versions of their modules for Fedora Core 1 kernels, > upon FC1's release. Therefore, what you request is completely > unnecessary. Ok, so let's put our faith in the hands of nVidia. > > This is off-topic for this list. Sorry for having broken your concentration. I was not aware of another list more suitable for this topic. I will take your hint seriously and refrain from any furhter comments. From streeter at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 16:04:00 2003 From: streeter at redhat.com (Guy M. Streeter) Date: 05 Nov 2003 10:04:00 -0600 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <200311050841.39772.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> <1068045861.1034.12.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <200311050841.39772.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1068048240.1034.21.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 10:41, Jesse Keating wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 05 November 2003 07:24, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > > All I can tell you is that it didn't happen. yum tried to use ppc64 > > packages to resolve dependencies while upgrading my iMac. > > This was due to an improperly built mkinird package that specifically > required a ppc64 package. Yum actually noted the dep, but refused to > install the ppc64 package for me. I pulled down the source rpm and > removed the erroneous Requires:. No, the ppc64-utils package is not a ppc64 arch package. It is a ppc arch package with "ppc64" in its name. The ppc64-utils package is not in the fedora repository, for ppc or ppc64 arch. --Guy From streeter at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 16:06:21 2003 From: streeter at redhat.com (Guy M. Streeter) Date: 05 Nov 2003 10:06:21 -0600 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068046555.30152.7.camel@opus> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200310312258.24994.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311012137.57528.dennis@ausil.us> <200311011407.23018.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1067875225.1035.7.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <20031105121430.GA31078@shitake.truemesh.com> <1068045095.1034.5.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <1068045275.30158.4.camel@opus> <1068045861.1034.12.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> <1068046555.30152.7.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1068048381.1034.24.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 09:35, seth vidal wrote: > > All I can tell you is that it didn't happen. yum tried to use ppc64 > > packages to resolve dependencies while upgrading my iMac. > > hold on - tried to use the packages or tried to use the headers as one > option? > I did "yum upgrade" I got complaints (I don't remember the exact messages) about trying to resolve requests for 64bit libraries. --Guy From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 16:07:08 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:07:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Re: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <1068047110.7685.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> <1068044409.7685.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068045630.24282.42.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <1068047110.7685.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1949.12.29.16.103.1068048428.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Albert DE WINT said: >> Kernel-source is only needed for such >> things as the test releases, or non-stock kernels, which are not being >> run by newbies. > > I know about newbies that run a non stock-kernel after 'up2date' > suggested to upgrade the kernel, which they did. IIRC nVidia makes installers for those, too. >> I don't know for certain, but I assume that nvidia >> will be releasing versions of their modules for Fedora Core 1 kernels, >> upon FC1's release. Therefore, what you request is completely >> unnecessary. > > Ok, so let's put our faith in the hands of nVidia. And using a binary driver from nVidia isn't? >> >> This is off-topic for this list. > > Sorry for having broken your concentration. I was not aware of another > list more suitable for this topic. I will take your hint seriously and > refrain from any furhter comments. I would suggest the fedora-list, as this doesn't have much to do with the test releases. Searching the archives you will also find resistance to doing anything to make it easier for people to install drivers that are impossible to troubleshoot. -- William Hooper From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 5 16:29:11 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:29:11 +0000 Subject: useing up2date to get software In-Reply-To: <3FA873B0.7020207@foou.net> References: <3FA873B0.7020207@foou.net> Message-ID: <1068049751.593.88.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 03:51, Law Horne wrote: > Ok, cool. I kinda figured there would be a cli way to do it. But do you know if there are plan to incorporate it into the gui? I would imagine so. Although I must admit I truly enjoy using yum the way it is. There is just something about cli that is great. I even enjoy surfing around with lynx every once and awhile :) At some point in the GUI you can already choose to install new packages. I forget where right now and don't have up2date to try it out, but if you root around you'll find it. From gusto at idt.net Wed Nov 5 16:52:43 2003 From: gusto at idt.net (Gus Vigo) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:52:43 -0500 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock Message-ID: hi folks... anyone been looking at the red hat stock lately? it's dropped over a dollar each day the past 3 days...any thoughts on this? maybe the people are dumping redhat back? just curious... From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 17:04:01 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:04:01 -0500 Subject: up2date Message-ID: <200311051204.01483.czar@czarc.net> Something does not appear to be correctly operating. When I run up2date, it says that everything is current (and the http://fedora.redhat.com... is still redirected to ftp.redhat.com rawhide). However, if I manually examine what is in rawhide, I find that some packages have been updated (e.g., desktop-backgrounds-* and rpmdb-fedora). I also checks the files in headers and they seem to be there OK. up2date is 4.1.14-2 Is this something that should go into bugzilla? For a while I assumed that rawhide was frozen while the respin was being done but this appears to not be the case. -- Gene From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Nov 5 17:05:10 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:05:10 -0800 Subject: [OT] Re: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <1949.12.29.16.103.1068048428.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> <1068044409.7685.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068045630.24282.42.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <1068047110.7685.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1949.12.29.16.103.1068048428.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <1068051910.2532.85.camel@CirithUngol> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 08:07, William Hooper wrote: > Albert DE WINT said: > > > > I know about newbies that run a non stock-kernel after 'up2date' > > suggested to upgrade the kernel, which they did. > > IIRC nVidia makes installers for those, too. > They do, but not necessarily in reasonable timeframe which leads to many people with broken machines until they can figure out the kernel-source issue. I am active on the nVidia Linux resource forum and trust me, they need to have the kernel-source. Why do we ever install a linux distro without it? If the sources are to be left out, I think it would be very useful to also include mention of that fact in documentation (its there now I'm sure but nobody seems to notice). The only acceptable reason I would have for that is very low available resource installations, which the installer should be adequately able to handle (recognition of low-space and removal of kernel sources first rather than blindly failing). > >> > >> This is off-topic for this list. No, its not. Mike Harris has repeatedly mentioned he is willing to work on this issue, but he can't take it on all by himself as his responsibility to RedHat's priorities come first. The Fedora community should certainly push this, as well as getting very smooth installation of the ATI binaries for the newer cards. Not binary driver inclusion, but intelligent forethought and preparation for the use of the drivers. That is engineering of the OS, which this list should relate to (and to keep the devel list cleaner). > Searching the archives you will also find resistance to > doing anything to make it easier for people to install drivers that are > impossible to troubleshoot. Nonsense. The resistance isn't there, instead there is something of apathy. Just because the RedHat people can't go do it right now does not preclude anyone here from doing so. There are a couple people working on RPM based solutions, in which they have scripts to clean up and prepare the system for the nVidia driver before installation (lost link... I believe its a RFE somewhere tho). This is the answer IMHO. -- Andrew Farris From adwint at pandora.be Wed Nov 5 17:07:22 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:07:22 +0100 Subject: [OT] Re: nVidia installer needs kernel-source to compile driver In-Reply-To: <1949.12.29.16.103.1068048428.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1068032214.7685.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068033599.7685.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA90C85.3050101@atl.lmco.com> <1068044409.7685.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068045630.24282.42.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <1068047110.7685.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1949.12.29.16.103.1068048428.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <1068052042.9190.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Ok, so let's put our faith in the hands of nVidia. > > And using a binary driver from nVidia isn't? > If there were an 'open' alternative for running 3D, I'd use it. From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Nov 5 17:07:24 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:07:24 -0800 Subject: no updates? Message-ID: The last update I received via up2date was last Friday..... every time I try now, it says "You system is fully up to date" or something to that effect... Is that true? There have no more updates released Monday or Tuesday? I'm just checking because I thought I saw some discussion regarding up2date falsely reporting everything was up-to-date... Thanks Don Russell \|/ (. .) ___ooO-(_)-Ooo___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 17:28:14 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:28:14 -0500 Subject: no updates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311051228.14245.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 12:07, Don wrote: > The last update I received via up2date was last Friday..... every time I > try now, it says "You system is fully up to date" or something to that > effect... > > Is that true? There have no more updates released Monday or Tuesday? As I said in a prior message, something is wrong. If you run up2date today, you may/should pick up update to some noarch package but NOT to the i386 packages which have been updated with dates from Oct 31 on. This includes fedora-release, mozilla, openoffice, and rpmdb-fedora. I tried adding the rawhide channel back in to /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources but this did not work either. This is not a "multi versions of a package in rawhide" problem which also gives up2date fits. -- Gene From mharris at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 17:29:58 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:29:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: UT2k3 freezes on FCT3 In-Reply-To: <1068029930.7529.5.camel@topicus6> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03CE@piramida.hermes.si> <1068029930.7529.5.camel@topicus6> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Klaasjan Brand wrote: >> >gfx card is radeon 8500LE 64 MB. >> > >> >Anyone else noticed a similar problem ? >> >> You're using a Radeon 8500LE with Nvidia video drivers? ;o) > >I believe UT2k3 shows an "optimized for nVidia" logo as part of the >opening screens regardless of the type of video card in the machine. Ah. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From jaap at haitsma.org Wed Nov 5 17:34:56 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:34:56 +0100 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <200311051204.01483.czar@czarc.net> References: <200311051204.01483.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FA934C0.5000702@haitsma.org> Hi Gene, up2date 4.1.14-2 does not look in rawhide but in fedora core and fedora updates for updates, and overthere there are none. There seem to be some issues with the release of Fedora Core 1. So I suggest just to wait until Fedora Core 1 gets released Jaap Gene C. wrote: > Something does not appear to be correctly operating. > > When I run up2date, it says that everything is current (and the > http://fedora.redhat.com... is still redirected to ftp.redhat.com rawhide). > However, if I manually examine what is in rawhide, I find that some packages > have been updated (e.g., desktop-backgrounds-* and rpmdb-fedora). I also > checks the files in headers and they seem to be there OK. > > up2date is 4.1.14-2 > > Is this something that should go into bugzilla? > > For a while I assumed that rawhide was frozen while the respin was being done > but this appears to not be the case. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 5 17:36:59 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:36:59 -0800 Subject: OOo PPC suport. [patchset !!] In-Reply-To: <1068048240.1034.21.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> References: <200310312021.37154.rezso@rdsor.ro> <200311050841.39772.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1068048240.1034.21.camel@jarjar.hsv.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311050936.59972.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 08:04, Guy M. Streeter wrote: > No, the ppc64-utils package is not a ppc64 arch package. It is a ppc > arch package with "ppc64" in its name. The ppc64-utils package is not > in the fedora repository, for ppc or ppc64 arch. Mayhap not, but this is the only package that has anything to do with "ppc64" that my yum said anything about. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From jaap at haitsma.org Wed Nov 5 17:50:24 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:50:24 +0100 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA93860.80607@haitsma.org> The stock is probably dropping because of the news that Novell acquired SuSE. RedHat is the market leader for Linux investors at the moment, but investors think Novell can become a very serious competitor now. The RH stock increased also considerably last month it went from around 8$ to 15$. Furthermore the price earnings ratio (i.e. the total worth of all stocks divided by the profit) of RedHat is rather high. It's around 500 now while price earning ratios of normal technology companies are around 20. The stock price of RHAT is relatively high because investors think in the future RHAT can make a lot of profit, because Linux will rule the world :-). It looked like RedHat would take most of the profit in the Linux business, but now they think RedHat will need to give up a piece of pie to Novell. Just my thoughts, Jaap Gus Vigo wrote: > hi folks... > > anyone been looking at the red hat stock lately? > it's dropped over a dollar each day the past 3 days...any thoughts on this? > > maybe the people are dumping redhat back? > > just curious... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 17:54:00 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:54:00 -0500 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <3FA934C0.5000702@haitsma.org> References: <200311051204.01483.czar@czarc.net> <3FA934C0.5000702@haitsma.org> Message-ID: <200311051254.00627.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 12:34, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > up2date 4.1.14-2 does not look in rawhide but in fedora core and fedora > updates for updates, and overthere there are none. There seem to be some > issues with the release of Fedora Core 1. So I suggest just to wait > until Fedora Core 1 gets released Well but ... if you do: lftp http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 you get: cd: received redirection to `http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/' cd ok, cwd=/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide> So you are still using rawhide and rawhide does have updates. Furthermore, if you uncomment the line in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and add the rawhide channel back in, you still get the same thing. I have not tried yum directly and do not know what it sees. -- Gene From jaap at haitsma.org Wed Nov 5 17:54:52 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:54:52 +0100 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA9396C.1090904@haitsma.org> The stock is probably dropping because of the news that Novell acquired SuSE. RedHat is the market leader for Linux investors at the moment, but investors think Novell can become a very serious competitor now. The RH stock increased also considerably last month it went from around 8$ to 15$. Furthermore the price earnings ratio (i.e. the total worth of all stocks divided by the profit) of RedHat is rather high. It's around 500 now while price earning ratios of normal technology companies are around 20. The stock price of RHAT is relatively high because investors think in the future RHAT can make a lot of profit, because Linux will rule the world :-). It looked like RedHat would take most of the profit in the Linux business, but now they think RedHat will need to give up a piece of pie to Novell. But then again it's the stock market. If SCO does something stupid next week (and they do this every week, but for some strange reason you don't see this in the stock price) the RHAT stock might soar to 25$ Just my thoughts, Jaap Gus Vigo wrote: > hi folks... > > anyone been looking at the red hat stock lately? > it's dropped over a dollar each day the past 3 days...any thoughts on this? > > maybe the people are dumping redhat back? > > just curious... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 17:59:03 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:59:03 -0500 Subject: yum same as up2date Message-ID: <200311051259.03357.czar@czarc.net> OK, I tried doing yum list and got a list of ONLY noarch packages. -- Gene From kreg at virtual1.net Wed Nov 5 18:00:11 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:00:11 -0500 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA93AAB.4050107@virtual1.net> The overall market is down. I read that the percentage RH stock is down is consistant with the market downage. Not realted to Nov/Suse merge or anything. Kreg Gus Vigo wrote: > hi folks... > > anyone been looking at the red hat stock lately? > it's dropped over a dollar each day the past 3 days...any thoughts on > this? > > maybe the people are dumping redhat back? > > just curious... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kreg at virtual1.net Wed Nov 5 18:13:44 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:13:44 -0500 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA93DD8.5000006@virtual1.net> The overall market is down. I read that the percentage RH stock is down is consistant with the market downage. Not realted to Nov/Suse merge or anything. Kreg Gus Vigo wrote: > hi folks... > > anyone been looking at the red hat stock lately? > it's dropped over a dollar each day the past 3 days...any thoughts on > this? > > maybe the people are dumping redhat back? > > just curious... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 18:16:11 2003 From: jjramsey_6x9eq42 at yahoo.com (James J. Ramsey) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:16:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: yum same as up2date In-Reply-To: <200311051259.03357.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031105181611.22756.qmail@web10709.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Gene C." wrote: > OK, I tried doing > > yum list > > and got a list of ONLY noarch packages. Does your yum.conf point to the same set of sources as /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From gordy100 at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 5 18:16:17 2003 From: gordy100 at ntlworld.com (gordy) Date: 05 Nov 2003 18:16:17 +0000 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora Message-ID: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Hi all, I am new to this list and presently running RH9. I wonder if you could tell me when Fedora is released would I be able to upgrade from RH9 or would I have to do a clean install? Gordy From greg at gulik.org Wed Nov 5 18:22:18 2003 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:22:18 -0600 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: <3FA93DD8.5000006@virtual1.net> References: <3FA93DD8.5000006@virtual1.net> Message-ID: <3FA93FDA.2000404@gulik.org> Doesn't seem to be much of a correlation: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=RHAT&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=^SPX Kreg Steppe wrote: > The overall market is down. I read that the percentage RH stock is down > is consistant with the market downage. Not realted to Nov/Suse merge or > anything. -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From scott at eardown.com Wed Nov 5 18:23:49 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:23:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <37296.66.167.157.242.1068056629.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > Hi all, > > I am new to this list and presently running RH9. I wonder if you could > tell me when Fedora is released would I be able to upgrade from RH9 or > would I have to do a clean install? > > Gordy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I was running RH9 a couple of weeks ago, and upgraded to FC3, everything seems find to this point! From gordy100 at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 5 18:24:31 2003 From: gordy100 at ntlworld.com (gordy) Date: 05 Nov 2003 18:24:31 +0000 Subject: Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> When does Fedora go final? Thanks in advance, Gordy From gordy100 at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 5 18:28:23 2003 From: gordy100 at ntlworld.com (gordy) Date: 05 Nov 2003 18:28:23 +0000 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: <37296.66.167.157.242.1068056629.squirrel@www.eardown.com> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <37296.66.167.157.242.1068056629.squirrel@www.eardown.com> Message-ID: <1068056903.6322.14.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Thanks for that... I am quite new to Linux and just wanted to make sure it was possible.. Gordy On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 18:23, Scott Ware wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to this list and presently running RH9. I wonder if you could > > tell me when Fedora is released would I be able to upgrade from RH9 or > > would I have to do a clean install? > > > > Gordy > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > I was running RH9 a couple of weeks ago, and upgraded to FC3, everything > seems find to this point! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From scott at eardown.com Wed Nov 5 18:27:55 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:27:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <41104.66.167.157.242.1068056875.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > When does Fedora go final? > > Thanks in advance, > > Gordy > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I would guess within a week. The fedora.redhat.com site says it's delayed due to re-spin. (probably just working out some last-minute bugs.) From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 18:29:09 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:29:09 -0500 Subject: up2date/yum problems Message-ID: <200311051329.09053.czar@czarc.net> bugzilla'ed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109209 -- Gene From scott at eardown.com Wed Nov 5 18:32:36 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:32:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068056903.6322.14.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <37296.66.167.157.242.1068056629.squirrel@www.eardown.com> <1068056903.6322.14.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <42419.66.167.157.242.1068057156.squirrel@www.eardown.com> > Thanks for that... I am quite new to Linux and just wanted to make sure > it was possible.. > > Gordy > > > > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 18:23, Scott Ware wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I am new to this list and presently running RH9. I wonder if you could >> > tell me when Fedora is released would I be able to upgrade from RH9 or >> > would I have to do a clean install? >> > >> > Gordy >> > >> > >> > -- >> > fedora-test-list mailing list >> > fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > >> I was running RH9 a couple of weeks ago, and upgraded to FC3, everything >> seems find to this point! >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > For some odd reason...I always usually to a clean install when a new distro or version comes out, just so I can test it as if I was just installing it for the 1st time. But when FC comes out, I think that i'll just do an upgrade from FC3, what i'm running now. From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 18:34:38 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:34:38 -0500 Subject: yum same as up2date In-Reply-To: <20031105181611.22756.qmail@web10709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031105181611.22756.qmail@web10709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200311051334.38840.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 13:16, James J. Ramsey wrote: > --- "Gene C." wrote: > > OK, I tried doing > > > > yum list > > > > and got a list of ONLY noarch packages. > > Does your yum.conf point to the same set of sources as > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources? Yes ... yum 2.0.4-2 and they are redirected to rawhide as explained in another message ... also explained was that adding the rawhide channel back in produces exactly the same results (only noarch packages seen). -- Gene From kreg at virtual1.net Wed Nov 5 18:37:17 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:37:17 -0500 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: <3FA93FDA.2000404@gulik.org> References: <3FA93DD8.5000006@virtual1.net> <3FA93FDA.2000404@gulik.org> Message-ID: <3FA9435D.3080407@virtual1.net> Stupid Graphs! I just read that yesterday. That it was related to the market being down. Good information with the graph though. I reality, stock fluctuations from day to day mean little... it should be looked at long term anyway. This one is interesting: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5d&s=RHAT&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=novl&c=%5ESPX Gregory Gulik wrote: > Doesn't seem to be much of a correlation: > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=RHAT&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=^SPX > > Kreg Steppe wrote: > >> The overall market is down. I read that the percentage RH stock is down >> is consistant with the market downage. Not realted to Nov/Suse merge or >> anything. > > From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Nov 5 18:44:22 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:44:22 -0800 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: <42419.66.167.157.242.1068057156.squirrel@www.eardown.com> Message-ID: Scott, I like to do "clean installs" too... I did that when I installed FCT2 and FCT3, and will when FC1 is out as well. Right now I don't care if I reformat the entire drive... I bought a second drive just for the purpose of running Linux.... but when Linux starts actually replacing my Windows system, I won't have the luxury of simply reformatting the entire disk.... What do you do to preserve the contents of /home and other directories? I wish there were an option in the install process that allowed "everything to be wiped out" except for the user stuff. I suspect this is easier said that done though because apps might have a tendency to put stuff in various directories... like maybe a certain app installs fonts it needs.... I might not want those put in the X11 directory, but that might be "convenient" for the app.... > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Scott Ware > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:33 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora > > > For some odd reason...I always usually to a clean install when a new > distro or version comes out, just so I can test it as if I was just > installing it for the 1st time. But when FC comes out, I think that i'll > just do an upgrade from FC3, what i'm running now. From bcs at metacon.ca Wed Nov 5 18:52:19 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:52:19 -0400 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068058338.3674.43.camel@zephyr> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:44, Don wrote: > Scott, > I like to do "clean installs" too... I did that when I installed FCT2 and > FCT3, and will when FC1 is out as well. Right now I don't care if I reformat > the entire drive... I bought a second drive just for the purpose of running > Linux.... but when Linux starts actually replacing my Windows system, I > won't have the luxury of simply reformatting the entire disk.... > > What do you do to preserve the contents of /home and other directories? Always, always, always put /home on separate partition, or better yet, drive. Back up /var/www (if you use it), /etc (to refer back to your old configuration -- but don't install it over the new /etc on your fresh system of course), /root, /var/lib/mysql (again, if you use it), and maybe /usr/local if there's stuff in there you want to keep. To back it up -- well, I usually just tar/gz it and put it on my home drive. > I wish there were an option in the install process that allowed "everything > to be wiped out" except for the user stuff. Anaconda lets you choose what partitions get wiped -- just put anything you don't want wiped on a different partition. > I suspect this is easier said that done though because apps might have a > tendency to put stuff in various directories... like maybe a certain app > installs fonts it needs.... I might not want those put in the X11 directory, > but that might be "convenient" for the app.... Fonts get put in one of several directories in the X11 tree. I tend to just re-install 'em. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From scott at eardown.com Wed Nov 5 18:52:11 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:52:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <42419.66.167.157.242.1068057156.squirrel@www.eardown.com> Message-ID: <42916.66.167.157.242.1068058331.squirrel@www.eardown.com> I know what you mean by saying it would be nice to have an option to preserve the users' settings. I have read a couple of posts here where others have mentioned that also. As far as "backing-up" my user info, and other configuration files. I usually don't care that much about my individual user account, because whatever I wipe out, It's nothing that I cant put back. But, I usually just write a shell script that back's up all of the configuration files that I want for programs, and some of my files, and then tar's them up so that I can burn it to a cd, or transfer it somewhere else temporarily. I will be tempted to do this again...and I probably will. I'll just upgrade first, see how things are, and then i'll go ahead and do a clean install. > Scott, > I like to do "clean installs" too... I did that when I installed FCT2 and > FCT3, and will when FC1 is out as well. Right now I don't care if I > reformat > the entire drive... I bought a second drive just for the purpose of > running > Linux.... but when Linux starts actually replacing my Windows system, I > won't have the luxury of simply reformatting the entire disk.... > > What do you do to preserve the contents of /home and other directories? > > I wish there were an option in the install process that allowed > "everything > to be wiped out" except for the user stuff. > I suspect this is easier said that done though because apps might have a > tendency to put stuff in various directories... like maybe a certain app > installs fonts it needs.... I might not want those put in the X11 > directory, > but that might be "convenient" for the app.... > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Scott Ware >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:33 AM >> To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> Subject: Re: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora >> >> >> For some odd reason...I always usually to a clean install when a new >> distro or version comes out, just so I can test it as if I was just >> installing it for the 1st time. But when FC comes out, I think that i'll >> just do an upgrade from FC3, what i'm running now. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From riel at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 19:00:25 2003 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:00:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: <3FA9396C.1090904@haitsma.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > It looked like RedHat would take most of the profit in the Linux > business, but now they think RedHat will need to give up a piece of pie > to Novell. If Novell starts to seriously invest money into the marketing of Linux, it's quite possible that the pie itself is going to grow... Personally I hope Novell will be successful and that they will invest lots of money into the development of open source programs, that will not only be good for the users, but also for competing open source companies (like Red Hat ;)). -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Nov 5 19:01:55 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:01:55 -0500 Subject: Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <1068058915.3107.5.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 13:24, gordy wrote: > When does Fedora go final? > According to the topic posted in IRC, channel #fedora-devel, the release is now. 13:59:29 -!- mharris changed the topic of #fedora-devel to: Fedora development channel - for developmental discussion *ONLY*. For end user help or technical support questions of any kind, please use #fedora or #redhat. | Fedora Core 1 release date: Now http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mathmail at k4txz.com Wed Nov 5 18:57:23 2003 From: mathmail at k4txz.com (Joseph Clark) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:57:23 -0500 Subject: Maple 9 Message-ID: <1068058615.4585.1.camel@darkknight> Was wondering if anyone has tried installing Maple 9 on fedora yet? Or if there are any problems installing it. I don't want to pay $139 for it not to work in fedora. Joseph Clark mathmail at k4txz.com From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Nov 5 19:03:01 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:03:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: not OS related-red hat stock Message-ID: <30357690.1068058981986.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> enough already! can we please keep this list at least remotely on topic and related to fedora test? rday From christoph.wickert at web.de Wed Nov 5 19:05:18 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:05:18 +0100 Subject: Fedora: non-technical reasons! In-Reply-To: <41104.66.167.157.242.1068056875.squirrel@www.eardown.com> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <41104.66.167.157.242.1068056875.squirrel@www.eardown.com> Message-ID: <1068059118.6165.6.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Mi, den 05.11.2003 schrieb Scott Ware um 19:27: > (probably just working out some last-minute bugs.) Damn it! If you read this list carefully, then you'd know that the respin was for "a non-technical issue", this includes bugs, too. I am really tired of people saying that this is a bad sign, buggy Fedora etc. Search the archives, please! (Search for "Schedule Slip") Christoph From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Nov 5 19:06:03 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:06:03 -0800 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068058338.3674.43.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: With advise like "always, always, always put /home on a separate partition" (and I've heard that more than once) you'd think the install option that says "delete all (Linux) partitions and repartition automatically" would do that... create a separate partition for /home For experts it's fine, but for the newbie, who is likely to just accept defaults to get things installed.... "doing it right" from the start would be helpful. Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ben Steeves > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:52 AM > To: Fedora Test List > Subject: RE: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora > > > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:44, Don wrote: > > Scott, > > I like to do "clean installs" too... I did that when I > installed FCT2 and > > FCT3, and will when FC1 is out as well. Right now I don't care > if I reformat > > the entire drive... I bought a second drive just for the > purpose of running > > Linux.... but when Linux starts actually replacing my Windows system, I > > won't have the luxury of simply reformatting the entire disk.... > > > > What do you do to preserve the contents of /home and other directories? > > Always, always, always put /home on separate partition, or better yet, > drive. > > Back up /var/www (if you use it), /etc (to refer back to your old > configuration -- but don't install it over the new /etc on your fresh > system of course), /root, /var/lib/mysql (again, if you use it), and > maybe /usr/local if there's stuff in there you want to keep. > > To back it up -- well, I usually just tar/gz it and put it on my home > drive. > > > I wish there were an option in the install process that allowed > "everything > > to be wiped out" except for the user stuff. > > Anaconda lets you choose what partitions get wiped -- just put anything > you don't want wiped on a different partition. > > > I suspect this is easier said that done though because apps might have a > > tendency to put stuff in various directories... like maybe a certain app > > installs fonts it needs.... I might not want those put in the > X11 directory, > > but that might be "convenient" for the app.... > > Fonts get put in one of several directories in the X11 tree. I tend to > just re-install 'em. > -- > Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca > The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca > against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 > http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Nov 5 19:07:25 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:07:25 -0500 Subject: Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068058915.3107.5.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068058915.3107.5.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <1068059244.3107.7.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:01, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 13:24, gordy wrote: > > When does Fedora go final? > > > > According to the topic posted in IRC, channel #fedora-devel, the release > is now. > > 13:59:29 -!- mharris changed the topic of #fedora-devel to: Fedora > development channel - for developmental discussion *ONLY*. For end user > help or technical support questions of any kind, please use #fedora or > #redhat. | Fedora Core 1 release date: Now > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > It is also available at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Nov 5 19:10:19 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:10:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Fedora Message-ID: <24163735.1068059419611.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Portzer Sent: Nov 5, 2003 2:01 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Fedora On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 13:24, gordy wrote: > When does Fedora go final? > According to the topic posted in IRC, channel #fedora-devel, the release is now. --------------------------- technically, is installing from scratch equivalent to simply updating to the newest (rawhide) RPMs? put another way, given that i've been doing nightly yum updates against rawhide, what's the fundamental difference between that and a fresh install? rday From scott at eardown.com Wed Nov 5 19:11:22 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (Scott Ware) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:11:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora: non-technical reasons! In-Reply-To: <1068059118.6165.6.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <41104.66.167.157.242.1068056875.squirrel@www.eardown.com> <1068059118.6165.6.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <43501.66.167.157.242.1068059482.squirrel@www.eardown.com> Easy...I meant no harm. I didn't mean that it's "buggy" or anything...just that there working out something with whatever before they release it :) > Am Mi, den 05.11.2003 schrieb Scott Ware um 19:27: > >> (probably just working out some last-minute bugs.) > > Damn it! If you read this list carefully, then you'd know that the > respin was for "a non-technical issue", this includes bugs, too. > > I am really tired of people saying that this is a bad sign, buggy Fedora > etc. > > Search the archives, please! (Search for "Schedule Slip") > > Christoph > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 5 19:18:41 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:18:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068059244.3107.7.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1068056177.6322.7.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068056671.6322.11.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> <1068058915.3107.5.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <1068059244.3107.7.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:01, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 13:24, gordy wrote: > > > When does Fedora go final? > > > > > > > According to the topic posted in IRC, channel #fedora-devel, the release > > is now. > > > > 13:59:29 -!- mharris changed the topic of #fedora-devel to: Fedora > > development channel - for developmental discussion *ONLY*. For end user > > help or technical support questions of any kind, please use #fedora or > > #redhat. | Fedora Core 1 release date: Now > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > > > It is also available at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ Cool.. Now to download the ISOs using bittorrent. I just tried 'yum update' using baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os It just had to update [update: xscreensaver 1:4.14-2.i386] So, current rawhide is pretty much Fedora Core 1. Satish From bcs at metacon.ca Wed Nov 5 19:20:39 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:20:39 -0400 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068060039.3674.49.camel@zephyr> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 15:06, Don wrote: > With advise like "always, always, always put /home on a separate partition" > (and I've heard that more than once) you'd think the install option that > says "delete all (Linux) partitions and repartition automatically" would do > that... create a separate partition for /home Well, the "always always always" part is purely my opinion, but it's worked for me in the past. Other people might argue that putting various parts of the system on different partitions is pointless 'cos it causes pain if you ever outgrow a part (you'd need to repartition). > For experts it's fine, but for the newbie, who is likely to just accept > defaults to get things installed.... "doing it right" from the start would > be helpful. The problem is everyone has a different opinion as to what's right. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From michael_soulier at mitel.com Wed Nov 5 19:20:29 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:20:29 -0500 Subject: apt-rpm supported? Message-ID: <20031105192029.GF1840@e-smith.com> I was just looking at the download instructions at http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ and it mentions up2date and yum for updating your install via RawHide. Is apt-rpm not supported for this, or is it just not mentioned? Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 19:25:41 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:25:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora In-Reply-To: <24163735.1068059419611.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net>; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:10:19PM -0500 References: <24163735.1068059419611.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031105142541.B21721@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Robert P. J. Day (rpjday at mindspring.com) said: > technically, is installing from scratch equivalent to simply updating > to the newest (rawhide) RPMs? put another way, given that i've been > doing nightly yum updates against rawhide, what's the fundamental > difference between that and a fresh install? Not much. Bill From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 5 19:19:30 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:19:30 -0800 Subject: FC has been released. Message-ID: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> In case anybody has missed it: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Nov 5 19:34:00 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:34:00 -0800 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: Is it available via FTP anywhere? Or just http? > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Keating > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:20 AM > To: Supporting EOLd RHL and Fedora releases > Cc: fedora-test-list at redhat.com; fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > Subject: FC has been released. > > > In case anybody has missed it: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu > > -- > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From jeremyp at pobox.com Wed Nov 5 19:43:05 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:43:05 -0500 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068061384.3107.12.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Sure, the same server works with FTP. If you wait a little bit, I suspect there will be a formal announcement with the mirror list with many more servers. I suggest you try BitTorrent, however. --Jeremy On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:34, Don wrote: > Is it available via FTP anywhere? Or just http? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Keating > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:20 AM > > To: Supporting EOLd RHL and Fedora releases > > Cc: fedora-test-list at redhat.com; fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > > Subject: FC has been released. > > > > > > In case anybody has missed it: > > > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu > > > > -- > > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) > > Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > > GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From redhat at vitola.com.br Wed Nov 5 20:44:08 2003 From: redhat at vitola.com.br (Alex Vitola) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:44:08 -0300 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: References: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <13783484053.20031105174408@vitola.com.br> Hello Don, ftp and http -- Best regards, Alex Vitola Wednesday, November 5, 2003, 4:34:00 PM, you wrote: D> Is it available via FTP anywhere? Or just http? >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com >> [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Keating >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:20 AM >> To: Supporting EOLd RHL and Fedora releases >> Cc: fedora-test-list at redhat.com; fedora-devel-list at redhat.com >> Subject: FC has been released. >> >> >> In case anybody has missed it: >> >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ >> torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu >> >> -- >> Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) >> Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) >> Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) >> GPG Public Key >> (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) >> >> Was I helpful? Let others know: >> http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating D> -- D> fedora-test-list mailing list D> fedora-test-list at redhat.com D> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jrmizell at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 19:46:45 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:46:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC has been released. Message-ID: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> someone got a torrent client howto? -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Portzer Sent: Nov 5, 2003 11:43 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: FC has been released. Sure, the same server works with FTP. If you wait a little bit, I suspect there will be a formal announcement with the mirror list with many more servers. I suggest you try BitTorrent, however. --Jeremy On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:34, Don wrote: > Is it available via FTP anywhere? Or just http? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Keating > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:20 AM > > To: Supporting EOLd RHL and Fedora releases > > Cc: fedora-test-list at redhat.com; fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > > Subject: FC has been released. > > > > > > In case anybody has missed it: > > > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu > > > > -- > > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) > > Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > > GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From jdow at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 19:51:25 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:51:25 -0800 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Mike A. Harris" > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > > >> > > Any care to speculate on who will acquire Mandrake and when? > >> > > >> > You have a point. Given the financial situation of Mandrake, I suppose > >> > they must be dying to sell. > > > ><*chuckle*> ... You seem to have given voice to what I've been thinking > >secretly: possibly Red Hat will acquire Mandrake ... thereby giving them > >access to other markets, and being able to provide products that > >are not strictured by US governance (think certain codecs... for example). > > > >Mandrake is already an rpm-based distro, and though it has diverged somewhat > >from the Red Hat Linux structure, it is not totally 'alien'. For that matter, > >FC + Mandrake = (possible) shrinkwrap for the SOHO's and hobbyists. With > >RHEL for Red Hat's main breadwinner: the corporate customers. > > > >QED: "everybody wins"! > > http://www.na.org > > Thought that might be useful for you to bookmark. > > http://www.debian.org/ might be more useful, Mike. I hate to go. But I am bailing out after Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short. I'd recommended it to a couple people who are not rather pissed. As a result I pass along being pissed to you guys. I'll monitor awhile for the humor value. But before very long I'll be on something other than Red Hat. Red Hat has turned "suit". {^_^} From zate at superfreeway.com Wed Nov 5 19:53:25 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:53:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <18283.155.201.35.50.1068062005.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> > > someone got a torrent client howto? >> > torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu Get this --> http://bt.degreez.net/ install it... Save the .torrent file listed above.. open it with that program and then select where to save the 1.8Gb files .. currently i have less than 30 mins to go.. taken me less than an hour to get all 1.8 Gb -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 5 19:58:18 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:58:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, John Mizell wrote: > > someone got a torrent client howto? 0. make sure python is installed. 1. download/install the bittorrent (either source or rpm). For eg: wget http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/BitTorrent-3.3.tar.gz tar -xzf BitTorrent-3.3.tar.gz 2. Now use it. (instructions also at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/) ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent Satish From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 5 19:57:27 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:57:27 -0800 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200311051157.30834.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 11:46, John Mizell wrote: > someone got a torrent client howto? The torrent page I listed has a quick how-to, as well as packages. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can no longer get Xwindows to display on my FCT3 desktop from RH9 or Solaris boxes. It seems xhost+ has no affect. I didn't notice this earlier since most of my windowing is now done through ssh. From Darrell.Esau at Sun.COM Wed Nov 5 20:04:12 2003 From: Darrell.Esau at Sun.COM (Darrell Esau) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:04:12 -0800 Subject: torrent / Proxy Message-ID: <200311051204.12078.Darrell.Esau@Sun.COM> Hello all, Does anyone know if there is proxy support for any bittorrent client? Thanks, d From fedora at geeknet.nl Tue Nov 4 20:16:06 2003 From: fedora at geeknet.nl (fedora-test) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:16:06 +0100 Subject: Fedora-final Message-ID: <3FA80906.4030906@geeknet.nl> --__--__-- Message: 18 Subject: Fedora From: gordy To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Organization: Date: 05 Nov 2003 18:24:31 +0000 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com When does Fedora go final? Thanks in advance, Gordy --__--__-- It doesn't, it is an on going development. This is clear in the documentation provided on the website. BTW as this whole mailing list strikes me as being weirdly off topic anyway, is there any intent to keep this list germane to the issues at hand? From jrmizell at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 20:07:25 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:07:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: FC has been released. Message-ID: <14252202.1068062845270.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> thanx for the quick response. I am sure other are sending howtos so this goes out to you too. -----Original Message----- From: Satish Balay Sent: Nov 5, 2003 11:58 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: FC has been released. On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, John Mizell wrote: > > someone got a torrent client howto? 0. make sure python is installed. 1. download/install the bittorrent (either source or rpm). For eg: wget http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/BitTorrent-3.3.tar.gz tar -xzf BitTorrent-3.3.tar.gz 2. Now use it. (instructions also at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/) ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent Satish -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Wed Nov 5 20:09:37 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:09:37 -0500 Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <3FA95901.1010004@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jay Harris wrote: | While we're waiting for the download... has the Xserver changed | the way it allows incoming windows? I can no longer get Xwindows | to display on my FCT3 desktop from RH9 or Solaris boxes. It seems | xhost+ has no affect. I didn't notice this earlier since most of | my windowing is now done through ssh. | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I, too, get "connection refused"-type messages. Very maddening. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qVkBN50Q8DVvcvkRAhe4AJsGAzhHOV43sddENjeXz4Wn+AHA4ACdFlXY +w9Qnj25yfuBQwgs4LXzCzY= =9juJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 5 20:12:31 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:12:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jay Harris wrote: > While we're waiting for the download... has the Xserver changed > the way it allows incoming windows? I can no longer get Xwindows > to display on my FCT3 desktop from RH9 or Solaris boxes. It seems > xhost+ has no affect. I didn't notice this earlier since most of > my windowing is now done through ssh. Xserver no longer listings on the tcp port - which is required for your - non-ssh-x11-forward stuff to work. If you wish to enable this - add the following to /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf - and restart X DisallowTCP=false Disclaimer: this usage - via 'xhost +' is insecure - and should be avoided. Satish From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 5 20:09:48 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:09:48 -0800 Subject: Fedora-final In-Reply-To: <3FA80906.4030906@geeknet.nl> References: <3FA80906.4030906@geeknet.nl> Message-ID: <200311051209.48963.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 12:16, fedora-test wrote: > It doesn't, it is an on going development. This is clear in the > documentation provided on the website. Uh not exactly. There will be final releases of Fedora Core. Fedora Core 1 released today. Fedora Core 2 is expected to release some 6 months from now. This really isn't different from Red Hat Linux releases, one about every 6 months. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? 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IIRC Red Hat 9 EOL was announced when it was released (or soon after). How is it that "Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short"? -- William Hooper From mikko at ipi.fi Wed Nov 5 20:19:14 2003 From: mikko at ipi.fi (Mikko Paananen) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:19:14 +0200 Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <1068063554.14067.5.camel@death> Wed, 2003-11-05 22:03, Jay Harris wrote: > While we're waiting for the download... has the Xserver changed > the way it allows incoming windows? I can no longer get Xwindows > to display on my FCT3 desktop from RH9 or Solaris boxes. It seems > xhost+ has no affect. I didn't notice this earlier since most of > my windowing is now done through ssh. Gdm starts X-Server so that it's not listening network. Gdm has setting in config file to change this. root 8792 8791 1 07:29 ? 00:12:12 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You should use ssh anyway. From bfd at pcisys.net Wed Nov 5 20:20:53 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:20:53 -0700 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA95BA5.5050505@pcisys.net> Don wrote: >Is it available via FTP anywhere? Or just http? > > Try ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com//pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso which is where the http site took me. BFD From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Wed Nov 5 20:27:02 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:27:02 -0600 Subject: FC has been released. Message-ID: Are any of the mirros syncing yet? -----Original Message----- From: BFD [mailto:bfd at pcisys.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:21 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: FC has been released. Don wrote: >Is it available via FTP anywhere? Or just http? > > Try ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com//pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso which is where the http site took me. BFD -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 20:30:21 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:30:21 -0500 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: ; from Epps.Aaron@mayo.edu on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:27:02PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20031105153021.A17229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Epps, Aaron M. (Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu) said: > Are any of the mirros syncing yet? Mirrors are currently syncing, yes. Bill From pp at ee.oulu.fi Wed Nov 5 20:32:14 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:32:14 +0200 Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <20031105203214.GA8563@ee.oulu.fi> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:12:31PM -0600, Satish Balay wrote: > If you wish to enable this - add the following to /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf - and restart X > > DisallowTCP=false > > Disclaimer: this usage - via 'xhost +' is insecure - and should be avoided. And for educational purposes, a semi-secure way to accomplish the same is with xauth. xauth list on the local machine, xauth add machinename:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 . Or xauth merge .Xauthority (which you need to copy over if it's a different machine) Use SSH X forwarding if you can, though. -- Pekka Pietikainen From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Wed Nov 5 20:35:14 2003 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (G Henry) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:35:14 +0000 Subject: fedora-core-1 with Bit Torrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311052035.20360.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Currently downloading with bittorrent. I have opened up my firewall to to allow other people to download from me. If I restart this later, will it carry on from the previous download, as long as I save it to the same place? - -- Regards G Henry. Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qV8FgNqd7Kng8UoRAhw1AKCjG5T2dn+aqwajgytk6goDkWle5QCeKacC CNc1nALURl46SoS1iEQXrbY= =8XOH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 20:36:04 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:36:04 -0500 Subject: development Message-ID: <200311051536.04285.czar@czarc.net> I was browsing around the directory trees for fedora and found that http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ appears to be yet another version of rawhide. It currently has a problem in that some of the packages (e.g., openoffice and rpmdb-fedora) have multiple versions of the same package. -- Gene From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 20:42:23 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:42:23 -0500 Subject: development In-Reply-To: <200311051536.04285.czar@czarc.net>; from czar@czarc.net on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:36:04PM -0500 References: <200311051536.04285.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031105154223.B2478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > I was browsing around the directory trees for fedora and found that > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ appears > to be yet another version of rawhide. It currently has a problem in that > some of the packages (e.g., openoffice and rpmdb-fedora) have multiple > versions of the same package. rawhide is moving to this location. Bill From jbeach at mines.edu Wed Nov 5 20:46:06 2003 From: jbeach at mines.edu (Joe Beach) Date: 05 Nov 2003 13:46:06 -0700 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora Message-ID: <1068065165.963.14.camel@absence.mines.edu> Hi Don, On my home computer, I have been doing clean installs while preserving my /home and /usr/local. It isn't hard to do if you have your disk partitioned for it. My suggestion is to at least have separate partitions for: swap / /home /usr/local You should write down which partition has which contents so you aren't wondering about it during the installation. When you do the new installation, select "manually partition with disk druid" when it comes up. A screen will appear that lets you pick which partition gets mounted where, and gives you an option on each partition to either keep existing data or reformat it. For /home and /usr/local, choose to keep the existing data. For / and swap, choose to reformat. This will save your home directories and any software you installed in /usr/local, though it won't save any modifications you have made to system configuration files. It is worth noting, though, that if you do things this way, you'll need to re-enter the users in the same order you did on your previous installation or else manually define their user ID numbers so the match those on the previous installation. Otherwise, you'll end up having file permission problems. Not hard to correct, but disconcerting when it happens. And its a good idea to back up anything that is really valuable before you do a new system installation. Multiple times. I've never lost anything, but I don't want to be held responsible if someone else does... Joe Beach From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 5 21:01:58 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:01:58 -0500 Subject: opteron 64-bit isos? Message-ID: <200311051601.58645.nbecker@hns.com> Any ETA for AMD 64-bit isos? From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 21:08:00 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:08:00 -0500 Subject: opteron 64-bit isos? In-Reply-To: <200311051601.58645.nbecker@hns.com>; from nbecker@hns.com on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:01:58PM -0500 References: <200311051601.58645.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031105160800.B18257@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Neal D. Becker (nbecker at hns.com) said: > Any ETA for AMD 64-bit isos? After a kernel. Bill From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 21:08:09 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:08:09 -0500 Subject: development In-Reply-To: <20031105154223.B2478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311051536.04285.czar@czarc.net> <20031105154223.B2478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311051608.09475.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 15:42, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > > I was browsing around the directory trees for fedora and found that > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ > > appears to be yet another version of rawhide. It currently has a problem > > in that some of the packages (e.g., openoffice and rpmdb-fedora) have > > multiple versions of the same package. > > rawhide is moving to this location. Sounds like rawhide -> fedora/development (no more rawhide as such). Overall, I like what I see of the structure implied by the directory trees: -- Core as released -- Updates for Core -- Proposed updates which are currently under testing -- Development (which will be unstable at times) My hope is that "minor" stuff which is usually "fixed in rawhide" will make it to testing if not true Errata (updates). I assume that Updates (errata) will have some QA expended but that "Testing" will not and Development will definitely not have any QA or even any promise that it works. Since people creating packages may have some idea if a change is big or small, they might have a better idea as to wheather a particular package fits under Testing or Development. Well, that is my hope. I assume that the folks at Red Hat have some idea how this will work and that idea is probably evolving. -- Gene From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Nov 5 21:07:03 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:07:03 -0800 Subject: fedora-core-1 with Bit Torrent In-Reply-To: <200311052035.20360.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <200311052035.20360.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <1068066422.2532.87.camel@CirithUngol> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 12:35, G Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Currently downloading with bittorrent. > > I have opened up my firewall to to allow other people to download from me. > > If I restart this later, will it carry on from the previous download, as long > as I save it to the same place? > Yes, it will check the current file for correct sections and then resume, if you notice that it doesn't check the file first then you didn't get the save location right. > - -- > Regards > > G Henry. > > Open Source. Open Solutions. > http://www.suretecsystems.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/qV8FgNqd7Kng8UoRAhw1AKCjG5T2dn+aqwajgytk6goDkWle5QCeKacC > CNc1nALURl46SoS1iEQXrbY= > =8XOH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Andrew Farris From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Wed Nov 5 21:11:14 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:11:14 -0500 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora Message-ID: <1068066673.2888.20.camel@Darkstar> From: "Don" To: Subject: RE: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:44:22 -0800 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Scott, I like to do "clean installs" too... I did that when I installed FCT2 and FCT3, and will when FC1 is out as well. Right now I don't care if I reformat the entire drive... I bought a second drive just for the purpose of running Linux.... but when Linux starts actually replacing my Windows system, I won't have the luxury of simply reformatting the entire disk.... What do you do to preserve the contents of /home and other directories? I wish there were an option in the install process that allowed "everything to be wiped out" except for the user stuff. I suspect this is easier said that done though because apps might have a tendency to put stuff in various directories... like maybe a certain app installs fonts it needs.... I might not want those put in the X11 directory, but that might be "convenient" for the app.... _______________________________________________________________ Do what I do, Create a separate partition for the /home directory, then you could format the other partitions before installing FC1. That way you preserve all your data as well as the other stuff you want to keep like downloads. Mike From kreg at virtual1.net Wed Nov 5 21:16:46 2003 From: kreg at virtual1.net (Kreg Steppe) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:16:46 -0500 Subject: fedora-core-1 with Bit Torrent In-Reply-To: <200311052035.20360.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <200311052035.20360.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <3FA968BE.5000108@virtual1.net> Yes it will resume, that is one beauty of Bittorrent. My only delema, Should I go home and install Fedora, or go see the Matrix? It is good to be a geek today. G Henry wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Currently downloading with bittorrent. > >I have opened up my firewall to to allow other people to download from me. > >If I restart this later, will it carry on from the previous download, as long >as I save it to the same place? > >- -- >Regards > >G Henry. > >Open Source. Open Solutions. >http://www.suretecsystems.com >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQE/qV8FgNqd7Kng8UoRAhw1AKCjG5T2dn+aqwajgytk6goDkWle5QCeKacC >CNc1nALURl46SoS1iEQXrbY= >=8XOH >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 5 21:22:42 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:22:42 -0500 Subject: Changes to named Message-ID: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> I see in release notes that the permissions/ownerships of named files have changed. Is it OK to install (clean), then restore my backed-up /var/lib/named and /etc/named.conf, or will I have to change ownerships/permissions? From thompsma at colorado.edu Wed Nov 5 21:23:08 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:23:08 -0700 Subject: development In-Reply-To: <20031105154223.B2478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311051536.04285.czar@czarc.net> <20031105154223.B2478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068067388.2208.22.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 13:42, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > > I was browsing around the directory trees for fedora and found that > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ appears > > to be yet another version of rawhide. It currently has a problem in that > > some of the packages (e.g., openoffice and rpmdb-fedora) have multiple > > versions of the same package. > > rawhide is moving to this location. So, if I decide my life is too boring at the moment, will it be: [development nee rawhide] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Development baseurl=http://fedora.redhat.com/development/fedora-core-$releasever or another baseurl? Matt -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Wed Nov 5 21:27:26 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:27:26 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads Message-ID: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the site is full. I know i have pretty much what the final FC1 will be but... you know. Testing and all that other fun stuff we earn the right to have first dibs on the stuff.... I'm ranting sorry Mike From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Nov 5 21:32:20 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:32:20 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> Actually, the mirrors should be given a chance. Too often people on the "inside" swamp the main sites before the mirrors have a chance to sync. Use torrent, which was designed to help this situation. On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 16:27, Mike Lurk wrote: > It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test > list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where > they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the > site is full. I know i have pretty much what the final FC1 will be > but... you know. Testing and all that other fun stuff we earn the right > to have first dibs on the stuff.... > > I'm ranting sorry > > Mike > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Nov 5 21:34:38 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:34:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Mike Lurk wrote: > It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test > list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where > they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the > site is full. I know i have pretty much what the final FC1 will be > but... you know. Testing and all that other fun stuff we earn the right > to have first dibs on the stuff.... Most mirrors don't even have it yet. testers are hardly a priority at this point ;-) later, chris From db at zigo.dhs.org Wed Nov 5 21:40:38 2003 From: db at zigo.dhs.org (Dennis Bjorklund) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:40:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Mike Lurk wrote: > It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test > list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where > they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the > site is full. Get it with bittorrent. It works great. It's slow when you start to download but after 5-10 minutes you will probably get up to full speed. -- /Dennis From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Nov 5 21:44:27 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:44:27 -0800 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: Yeah Mike, you're special and the line forms right behind you. :-) Just remember, even if you're "one in a million", that means there's 6,000 others just like you. Play nice in the sandbox... :-) Apology accepted. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Mike Lurk > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:27 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Fedora downloads > > > It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test > list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where > they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the > site is full. I know i have pretty much what the final FC1 will be > but... you know. Testing and all that other fun stuff we earn the right > to have first dibs on the stuff.... > > I'm ranting sorry > > Mike > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From thompsma at colorado.edu Wed Nov 5 21:49:31 2003 From: thompsma at colorado.edu (The Matt) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:49:31 -0700 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068068971.2208.28.camel@ixion.colorado.edu> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:40, Dennis Bjorklund wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Mike Lurk wrote: > > > It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test > > list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where > > they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the > > site is full. > > Get it with bittorrent. It works great. It's slow when you start to > download but after 5-10 minutes you will probably get up to full speed. Yes, but some of us are in places (say .edu domain) where p2p software of any kind is like Spot, i.e., NOT ALLOWED. Thus I spent a while getting CD #1 and stopped. I figure at least get the rescue CD. In fact, it would be great if someone out there could whip up an ISO of just what you need to perform "linux rescue" with Fedora. You could burn it to a mini CD-R for emergency use (I'm guessing rescue isn't 660 MB in size). Matt -- I am a theoretical chemist. Fear me! Please. Matt Thompson -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/ 440 UCB, Boulder, CO 80309-0440 JILA A510, 303-492-4662 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It currently has a problem in that > > > some of the packages (e.g., openoffice and rpmdb-fedora) have multiple > > > versions of the same package. > > > > rawhide is moving to this location. > > So, if I decide my life is too boring at the moment, will it be: > > [development nee rawhide] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Development > baseurl=http://fedora.redhat.com/development/fedora-core-$releasever > > or another baseurl? Well, there will be a redirect from the old rawhide location. And you can always use the full: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ as the base URL. Bill From rhce at cybersurf.com Wed Nov 5 22:22:28 2003 From: rhce at cybersurf.com (Mark Hutchinson) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:22:28 -0700 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain PLUS A BIT... In-Reply-To: <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> I think that when he says "Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short" He probably means short compared to what long term users have come to expect from RedHat. I was still updating 7.1 servers up till not long ago. It is what, 2 years or more since 7 came out? 9 is not longer supported as of April 2004? I think that is shorter. All of the servers I have now with 9 on them have to be addressed some how now. I am not too happy about having to do this as I have almost a hundred installs of 9 running. I absolutely love running RH Linux and have always been happy to spend the money on boxed sets, up2date, and several thousand for training. This move to fedora and the confusion of who will be providing update packages and for how long is not conducive to business's running linux. I have to know what will happen in 6 months or a year as these systems are needed for making money. ( just like many others out there I am sure ) I am not a big of how SuSE did it ( one release behind on ftp iso download ) but that was the price to pay if you did not want to shell out 50-80 dollars. I really think RH needs to re-address this move. ( BTW, I did already purchase 3.0 WS and ES from RH ) But from what I understand of the licensing, I can only install this RHES / RHWS ) on one server right? I will now evaluate fedora and ES and WS and determine if I should be spending 100 x the price for ES 3.0. Otherwise I have to look elsewhere and I am really not wanting to do that. Like I said earlier, I have invested alot of money on RH training (RHCE) and would like to stay with it. RH just went a bit far on the move. I agree with the Enterprise move and know RH needs to make money, but the 80$ box sets need to stay and have the guarantee of a year or 2 of updates. What would really impress me would be to reverse this move a bit ( keep the Enterprise and encourage users to pay some how ( like SuSE or something ). Am I totally out to lunch here? This is causing me to need to re-eval my OS strategy for my business. Hence the importance to me. Thanks for reading this far....... Quoting William Hooper : > > jdow said: > > > http://www.debian.org/ might be more useful, Mike. I hate to go. But > > I am bailing out after Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short. > > IIRC Red Hat 9 EOL was announced when it was released (or soon after). > How is it that "Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short"? > > -- > William Hooper > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- "Computers are like air conditioners: They stop working properly if you open windows." ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent with 3webmail http://www.3web.com From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Wed Nov 5 22:25:23 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:25:23 +0200 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <1068071122.7413.4.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Mi, 2003-11-05 at 23:27, Mike Lurk wrote: > It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test > list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where > they could download final releases. Amen brother! We already have the light, as it was given unto us! Namely, fedora core test + rawhide. Halleluiah! -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solu?ii Linux ?n Rom?nia http://www.galuna.ro From shugal at gmx.de Wed Nov 5 22:48:54 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:48:54 +0100 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> <1068000842.3883.118.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3FA97E56.F9CB8303@gmx.de> James Drabb wrote: > I wonder what Novell will do about the desktop. SuSE uses KDE by > default and most/all of their tools are built for KDE. Novell also > just bought Ximian which has the XD2 desktop based on Gnome. I > wonder if Novell will use KDE as their default desktop or rip it out > and use XD2. The only thing with that is that they will need to make > all new admin applications. That's the well deserved punishment for buying the worst of the major distros! *grin* I would like to hope that Novell will change the attitude of S.u.S.E., but I doubt it will become better... The future will show. Administrative tools should work in *any* environment, including text-based! Yes, this is a complaint about redhat-config-*. Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 9 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Nov 5 22:52:38 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:52:38 +0000 Subject: Gnome drawers In-Reply-To: <1068071122.7413.4.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068071122.7413.4.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <1068072758.5631.8.camel@T6.linux> Hi, Anyone tell me if the gnome drawer problem has been sorted in the released version of Fedora? TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Nov 5 23:00:00 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:00:00 -0800 Subject: evolution quandary Message-ID: In order to use Evolution to send mail, I have to apply a patch (see http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=50535 ) Obviously this fix won't be in the Evolution version shipped with FC1 today.... how do I get this patch applied and recompile it? Or will this show up in "up2date" in a couple of days? I can wait... :-) Thank you, Don Russell \|/ (. .) ___ooO-(_)-Ooo___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Nov 5 23:03:49 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 06 Nov 2003 01:03:49 +0200 Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: <20031105192029.GF1840@e-smith.com> References: <20031105192029.GF1840@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <1068073429.31964.28.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 21:20, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > I was just looking at the download instructions at > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ > > and it mentions up2date and yum for updating your install via > RawHide. Is apt-rpm not supported for this, or is it just not mentioned? Apt-rpm is not at least currently supported in Fedora Core, however a) you can safely expect various mirrors to provide "apt-rpm enabled" repositories of it, including www.fedora.us and freshrpms.net. b) there's work going on to create a generic repository metadata format, meaning in practise any depsolver supporting that can be used to access any repository using that format, at which point there aren't yum/apt-rpm/up2date/red-carpet repositories, they simply become "package repositories" which you can access with your favorite client. - Panu - From greg at gulik.org Wed Nov 5 23:11:39 2003 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:11:39 -0600 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent Message-ID: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> I used the suggested BitTorrent download of the Fedora isos and the first disc is now done but the md5sum doesn't match what's in the MD5SUM file that was also downloaded. Anyone else notice that??? The file does seem to mount correctly with mount -o loop... -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From peck6 at llnl.gov Wed Nov 5 23:14:46 2003 From: peck6 at llnl.gov (Thad Peck) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:14:46 -0800 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: References: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3FA98466.2030003@llnl.gov> Hi, Sorry to trouble you this is my first experience with bittorrent and I'm having trouble getting it to work on my RH 7.1 system. Checked that Python was installed: rpm -aq|grep -i python rpm-python-4.0.4-7x python-devel-1.5.2-43.71 python-xmlrpc-1.5.1-7.x.3 pythonlib-1.28-1 python-popt-0.8.8-7.x.1 python-docs-1.5.2-43.71 python-1.5.2-43.71 ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url \ http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent File "./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py", line 37 i += 1 ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax same with local ./yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent [root at odo iso]# ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url ./yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent File "./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py", line 37 i += 1 ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Satish Balay wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, John Mizell wrote: > > >>someone got a torrent client howto? > > > 0. make sure python is installed. > > 1. download/install the bittorrent (either source or rpm). For eg: > > wget http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/BitTorrent-3.3.tar.gz > tar -xzf BitTorrent-3.3.tar.gz > > 2. Now use it. (instructions also at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/) > > ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent > > > Satish > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > TIA tp From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Nov 5 23:18:01 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:18:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <3FA98466.2030003@llnl.gov> References: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <3FA98466.2030003@llnl.gov> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Thad Peck wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry to trouble you this is my first experience with bittorrent and I'm > having trouble getting it to work on my RH 7.1 system. > > Checked that Python was installed: > > rpm -aq|grep -i python > rpm-python-4.0.4-7x > python-devel-1.5.2-43.71 > python-xmlrpc-1.5.1-7.x.3 > pythonlib-1.28-1 > python-popt-0.8.8-7.x.1 > python-docs-1.5.2-43.71 > python-1.5.2-43.71 > > > ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url \ > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent > File "./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py", line 37 > i += 1 > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > same with local ./yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent > > [root at odo iso]# ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url > ./yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent > File "./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py", line 37 > i += 1 > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax BT requires Python 2, unfortunately. later, chris From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Wed Nov 5 23:21:38 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:21:38 -0800 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> Message-ID: I have a question regarding these md5 sums.... Is it redundant to check the md5 sums if you do a media check? When I use the CD's for the first time, I do a media check, but I never check the md5 sums... I figure if the sums are correct before creating my CD, that doesn't mean the CD gets created properly... but the media check should report any problems in the overall creation process... maybe the file was downloaded with errors, or maybe errors actually burning the CD.... either way wouldn't "media check" detect and report that? > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Gregory Gulik > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:12 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent > > > > I used the suggested BitTorrent download of the Fedora isos and the > first disc is now done but the md5sum doesn't match what's in the MD5SUM > file that was also downloaded. > > Anyone else notice that??? > > The file does seem to mount correctly with mount -o loop... > > > -- > Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ > greg @ gulik.org > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From peck6 at llnl.gov Wed Nov 5 23:23:28 2003 From: peck6 at llnl.gov (Thad Peck) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:23:28 -0800 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: References: <26731921.1068061605374.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <3FA98466.2030003@llnl.gov> Message-ID: <3FA98670.3040204@llnl.gov> Thanks, Thought is was something like that... tp Chris Ricker wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Thad Peck wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Sorry to trouble you this is my first experience with bittorrent and I'm >>having trouble getting it to work on my RH 7.1 system. >> >>Checked that Python was installed: >> >>rpm -aq|grep -i python >>rpm-python-4.0.4-7x >>python-devel-1.5.2-43.71 >>python-xmlrpc-1.5.1-7.x.3 >>pythonlib-1.28-1 >>python-popt-0.8.8-7.x.1 >>python-docs-1.5.2-43.71 >>python-1.5.2-43.71 >> >> >> ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url \ >>http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent >> File "./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py", line 37 >> i += 1 >> ^ >>SyntaxError: invalid syntax >> >>same with local ./yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent >> >>[root at odo iso]# ./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py --url >>./yarrow-binary-i386-iso.torrent >> File "./BitTorrent-3.3/btdownloadcurses.py", line 37 >> i += 1 >> ^ >>SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > > BT requires Python 2, unfortunately. > > later, > chris > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 5 23:23:18 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 05 Nov 2003 18:23:18 -0500 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068074598.30152.112.camel@opus> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 18:21, Don wrote: > I have a question regarding these md5 sums.... > > Is it redundant to check the md5 sums if you do a media check? > > When I use the CD's for the first time, I do a media check, but I never > check the md5 sums... > I figure if the sums are correct before creating my CD, that doesn't mean > the CD gets created properly... but the media check should report any > problems in the overall creation process... maybe the file was downloaded > with errors, or maybe errors actually burning the CD.... either way wouldn't > "media check" detect and report that? > I checked the md5sums - they are correct on the torrent tracker/primary seed and from a download client. -sv From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 5 23:27:05 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:27:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Gregory Gulik wrote: > > I used the suggested BitTorrent download of the Fedora isos and the > first disc is now done but the md5sum doesn't match what's in the MD5SUM > file that was also downloaded. > > Anyone else notice that??? > > The file does seem to mount correctly with mount -o loop... I don't think bittorrent downloads one file at a time (or all the bits in sequential order). Just wait until it is completely done - before doing md5sum check. Satish From bcs at metacon.ca Wed Nov 5 23:30:13 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:30:13 -0400 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> Message-ID: <1068075013.8709.4.camel@ripley> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 19:11, Gregory Gulik wrote: > I used the suggested BitTorrent download of the Fedora isos and the > first disc is now done but the md5sum doesn't match what's in the MD5SUM > file that was also downloaded. > > Anyone else notice that??? > > The file does seem to mount correctly with mount -o loop... That's 'cos it's probably not whole yet. BitTorrent doesn't download linearly -- it grabs whatever chunk it can whenever it can, but it preallocates all the space, which is probably why the disc looks like it's done. Wait 'til the whole thing's done, and the MD5 will match. Re. the person who was asking if checking MD5s is redundant -- you should always check the MD5s before burning, at least to make sure the ISO is OK. Afterwards, media check should be sufficient. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 5 23:32:42 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:32:42 -0500 Subject: Gnome drawers In-Reply-To: <1068072758.5631.8.camel@T6.linux> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068071122.7413.4.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <1068072758.5631.8.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <200311051832.42350.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 17:52, Paul wrote: > Anyone tell me if the gnome drawer problem has been sorted in the > released version of Fedora? Besides: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104492 which has a patch, I posted a message which pointed to some rpms ... check the fedora-test-list archives. -- Gene From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Nov 5 23:33:57 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:33:57 -0600 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question Message-ID: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Is it normal for the download to be lower than the upload even if only for a few minutes until the download speed takes off? status: finishing in 43:35:08 (0.3%) speed: 10.3 KB/s down - 10.8 KB/s up || totals: 6.1 MB down - 6.0 MB up || error(s): -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From shugal at gmx.de Wed Nov 5 23:34:31 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:34:31 +0100 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> <009801c3a30b$eb7fe0e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <01e001c3a316$78b5e360$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <3FA98907.2C1B5B9A@gmx.de> jdow wrote: > > And I am about to jump ship for debian. I can't run a home office > firewall on something that is in perpetual alpha state, fedora. And I > cannot afford the idiot prices or compile times for the Red Hat > releases. I don't blame your UG friends bailing. It's good sense. Yes, I'm thinking about Debian myself. I wouldn't call Fedora Core alpha state software, but I agree that it's not server-ready. The last server-ready version has been RHL 7.3, and I need a solution before its end of life. I hope Fedora-Legacy will be ready by then. http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy Otherwise I'm forced to either find another suitable Linux distro (Debian is the only one I found that fits my requirements) or revert back to Win2k Professional (yes, at work management ins?sts on using "cheap" OSes). The only way I could sell Red Hat Linux to my management was stability (everything, including updates, needs to be validated) and the price. Installimg a new OS version every 6 months is inacceptable, I need a lifetime of at least 1.5 years, and I need a rock solid distro. And there is no way that RHEL (which I would like to use!) beats Win2kPro in price. That marketing segment is no longer covered by Red Hat - looks like it doesn't generate revenue. Sad but true, and I need to find a solution. Not that I like it... Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 9 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 5 23:37:10 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 23:37:10 +0000 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question In-Reply-To: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1068075430.593.122.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 23:33, Mike Chambers wrote: > Is it normal for the download to be lower than the upload even if only > for a few minutes until the download speed takes off? Happens to me all the time... From bk318800 at skynet.be Wed Nov 5 23:37:36 2003 From: bk318800 at skynet.be (Opdekamp Willy) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:37:36 +0100 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Op Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:40:38 +0100 (CET) schreef je: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Mike Lurk wrote: >> It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test >> list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where >> they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the >> site is full. > Get it with bittorrent. It works great. It's slow when you start to > download but after 5-10 minutes you will probably get up to full speed. I can't agree with that. As I'm looking to the progress the upload sizes is 4x bigger then the download. The speed of download is arround 2KBs, while upload is 4x times greater. And I've enabled port 6881 through my firewall(Zonealarm)! Or I'm doing something terrible wrong -- Opdekamp Willy Linux member:198287 From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Wed Nov 5 23:37:09 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:37:09 -0600 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <3FA97E56.F9CB8303@gmx.de> References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> <1068000842.3883.118.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> <3FA97E56.F9CB8303@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1068075428.22377.13.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> My biggest complaint with SuSE is the inability to just replace text files and have them work, you have to re-run their config tool every time you touch something. Granted, I haven't done much admin since 7.5 era, so lots have probably changed, but that's why I never pursued them. Dan On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 16:48, Martin Stricker wrote: > James Drabb wrote: > > > I wonder what Novell will do about the desktop. SuSE uses KDE by > > default and most/all of their tools are built for KDE. Novell also > > just bought Ximian which has the XD2 desktop based on Gnome. I > > wonder if Novell will use KDE as their default desktop or rip it out > > and use XD2. The only thing with that is that they will need to make > > all new admin applications. > > That's the well deserved punishment for buying the worst of the > major distros! *grin* I would like to hope that Novell will change the > attitude of S.u.S.E., but I doubt it will become better... > The future will show. > > Administrative tools should work in *any* environment, including > text-based! Yes, this is a complaint about redhat-config-*. > > Best regards, > Martin Stricker -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From rjohnson at medata.com Wed Nov 5 23:42:29 2003 From: rjohnson at medata.com (Rick Johnson) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:42:29 -0800 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA98AE5.7090905@medata.com> Don wrote: > I have a question regarding these md5 sums.... > > Is it redundant to check the md5 sums if you do a media check? Yes, but the initial check prevents coasters. -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - rjohnson at medata.com Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 23:44:12 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:44:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: from "Opdekamp Willy" at Tach 06, 2003 12:37:36 Message-ID: <200311052344.hA5NiC009666@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I can't agree with that. As I'm looking to the progress the upload sizes is > 4x bigger then the download. The speed of download is arround 2KBs, > while upload is 4x times greater. > And I've enabled port 6881 through my firewall(Zonealarm)! > Or I'm doing something terrible wrong Those are very low speeds, although bt does take time to get going. Im currently ticking along at 160Kbyte/second From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 23:44:12 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:44:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Don wrote: > I have a question regarding these md5 sums.... > > Is it redundant to check the md5 sums if you do a media check? > > When I use the CD's for the first time, I do a media check, but I never > check the md5 sums... > I figure if the sums are correct before creating my CD, that doesn't mean > the CD gets created properly... But if the md5 sums are wrong, it is pretty much guaranteed that the CD won't be burned correctly, and finding this out at the media check means you have wasted effort burning a CD that can't work. Michael Young From michael at ywow.org Wed Nov 5 23:48:35 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:48:35 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads via RHN References: Message-ID: <022a01c3a3f7$545e1f50$201ea8c0@AllAccess> Folks, Are there any plans to make Fedora Yarrow available via RHN? I don't see it yet. Even though Fedora is no longer "officially" part of Red Hat, it would be useful to have a mirror on RHN. Thanks, Mike Jang From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Nov 5 23:51:22 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:51:22 +0100 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain a viable and independent company? In-Reply-To: <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <20031106005122.287f3934.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:16:03 -0500 (EST), William Hooper wrote: > > jdow said: > > > http://www.debian.org/ might be more useful, Mike. I hate to go. But > > I am bailing out after Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short. > > IIRC Red Hat 9 EOL was announced when it was released (or soon after). > How is it that "Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short"? The errata support period policy was announced end of 2002, some time after Red Hat Linux 8.0 and hence long before Red Hat Linux 9. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From greg at gulik.org Wed Nov 5 23:59:37 2003 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:59:37 -0600 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <1068075013.8709.4.camel@ripley> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1068075013.8709.4.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <3FA98EE9.8000804@gulik.org> Thanks, I didn't know BitTorrent worked like that, this was my first experience with it. The download just completed and sure enough all the md5sums now match. Time to go burn and play... Ben Steeves wrote: > That's 'cos it's probably not whole yet. BitTorrent doesn't download > linearly -- it grabs whatever chunk it can whenever it can, but it > preallocates all the space, which is probably why the disc looks like > it's done. > > Wait 'til the whole thing's done, and the MD5 will match. > > Re. the person who was asking if checking MD5s is redundant -- you > should always check the MD5s before burning, at least to make sure the > ISO is OK. Afterwards, media check should be sufficient. > -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com Thu Nov 6 00:03:20 2003 From: JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com (Jeff Schoby) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:03:20 -0600 Subject: network install broken? Message-ID: When I try to do an nfs, ftp, or http install, it retreives the images from the server ok, but then when it tries to mount them there's an error message on one of the virtual consoles that says the following: copied 67166208 bytes to /tmp/ramfs/stage2.img (complete) mntloop loop0 on /mnt/runtime as /tmp/ramfs/stag2.img fd is 30 failed to mount loop: invalid argument Error mounting /dev/loop0 on /mnt/runtime (invalid argument) Help? ------------------------------------------ Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin City of Columbia, Missouri jas at ci.columbia.mo.us 573.874.6320 From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 6 00:13:58 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (mb) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:13:58 -0500 Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: <1068063554.14067.5.camel@death> References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> <1068063554.14067.5.camel@death> Message-ID: <3FA99246.8060203@cfl.rr.com> Mikko Paananen wrote: >Wed, 2003-11-05 22:03, Jay Harris wrote: > > >>While we're waiting for the download... has the Xserver changed >>the way it allows incoming windows? I can no longer get Xwindows >>to display on my FCT3 desktop from RH9 or Solaris boxes. It seems >>xhost+ has no affect. I didn't notice this earlier since most of >>my windowing is now done through ssh. >> >> > >Gdm starts X-Server so that it's not listening network. Gdm has setting >in config file to change this. > >root 8792 8791 1 07:29 ? 00:12:12 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 >-audit 0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >You should use ssh anyway. > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > running gdmconfig can help you too to change the X server setting to allow connections. Regards Mario From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Nov 5 19:41:01 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:41:01 +0000 Subject: Fedora 1 and yum.conf Message-ID: <200311051941.01799.hoyt@cavtel.net> How do I get yum working to upgrade test2 to Fedora final? (i realize that's not officially supported -- call me a rebel). What does yum.conf need to look like? I've installed yum from Fedora 1, but still get errors. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com/ Computing in Hell: The security of Windows, the ease of use of Linux, the documentation of UNIX, the installation ease of BSD, the application choices of Su^H^H Novell, and a Macintosh mouse! From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Nov 5 19:53:25 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:53:25 +0000 Subject: LILO's Back? Message-ID: <200311051953.25285.hoyt@cavtel.net> It was removed, now is just deprecated. Since it's back in, it should not be "deprecated" or it should be gone. "Deprecated" is not the place for it. -- Hoyt From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 6 01:08:11 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:08:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: LILO's Back? In-Reply-To: <200311051953.25285.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200311051953.25285.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <64575.69.68.37.57.1068080891.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Hoyt Duff said: > It was removed, now is just deprecated. Since it's back in, it should not > be > "deprecated" or it should be gone. "Deprecated" is not the place for it. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02834.html Deprecate is where packages go when they are going to be replaced. -- William Hooper From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Nov 5 20:14:00 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:14:00 +0000 Subject: LILO's Back? In-Reply-To: <64575.69.68.37.57.1068080891.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <200311051953.25285.hoyt@cavtel.net> <64575.69.68.37.57.1068080891.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <200311052014.00709.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 06 November 2003 01:08 am, William Hooper wrote: > Hoyt Duff said: > > It was removed, now is just deprecated. Since it's back in, it should not > > be > > "deprecated" or it should be gone. "Deprecated" is not the place for it. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-October/msg02834.html > > Deprecate is where packages go when they are going to be replaced. Hmmm. OK. I never read to the end of the LILO/GRUB thread; the first hundred or so posts wore me down. -- Hoyt From jclift at ims.telstra.com.au Thu Nov 6 01:47:54 2003 From: jclift at ims.telstra.com.au (Justin Clift) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:47:54 +0800 Subject: Pain with newest up2date RPM's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA9A84A.7060005@ims.telstra.com.au> Hi guys, Either way, with everything I'm seeing here from the command line it's indicating that up2date (cli version) isn't even using the proxy settings. If I specify things with the --proxy --proxyUser and --proxyPassword command line options, I get the exact same error message from up2date as if I don't... even if I purposely alter the proxy settings to point to a host that doesn't have a proxy on it. Alternatively, using Mozilla (that does correctly use our proxy), I can read the file that up2date is trying to get to, with no problems. Having a central configuration file is nice and all... but it doesn't matter if the program itself doesn't work. :-( Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > >>On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 01:25:20PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: >>>Would be a major lobbying effort to get every (relevant) internet-aware >>>program to agree using a single proxy configuration location + format of >>>course.. but would be well worth the effort I think. Ok Gnome2 has a >>>common place to speficy it but that's "hidden" in gconf instead of a plain >>>old textfile making it not-so-nice for things like wget etc. >> >> the historical way has been the http_proxy environment variable. > > > Sure, most commandline (and many other programs as well) support > http_proxy, but then there are gazillion of things which don't, and > for autoproxy configuration there's no similar thing so you end up parsing > your autoproxy config into /etc/profile.d/proxy.sh & the like.. Of course > whether an application supports autoproxy configuration is an different > issue entirely. > > >>>>I will investigate the proxy setting interface since I saw a bugzilla >>>>bug about this. >>> >>>Since up2date and rhn-applet are so closely related (at least seemingly so >>>to the user) it'd be nice if at least those would share the settings.. >> >> we are trying to solve the issue. But one program runs as root, >>the other under the user account, there have been security issues which >>historically led to have separate file, > > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date might've well been non-world readable if memory > serves, if that's what you mean. > > - Panu - > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. From cmrhbl at mossc.com Thu Nov 6 01:49:07 2003 From: cmrhbl at mossc.com (Chuck Moss) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:49:07 -0500 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: ; from dnrlinux@san.rr.com on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:21:38PM -0800 References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> Message-ID: <20031105204907.A24035@mossc.com> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:21:38PM -0800, Don wrote: > I have a question regarding these md5 sums.... > > Is it redundant to check the md5 sums if you do a media check? > > When I use the CD's for the first time, I do a media check, but I never > check the md5 sums... > I figure if the sums are correct before creating my CD, that doesn't mean > the CD gets created properly... but the media check should report any > problems in the overall creation process... maybe the file was downloaded > with errors, or maybe errors actually burning the CD.... either way wouldn't > "media check" detect and report that? If you get a MD5sum listing that is signed then the md5 check not only verifies it was downloaded correctly it also ensures that it was not trojaned/compromised. I Always do an md5sum right after download and try to get the md5sums from another site. Chuck From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Thu Nov 6 01:52:58 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:52:58 -0500 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031106015258.GB7361@prince.homelinux.org> Jesse Keating staggered into view and mumbled: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ For some strange reason I can't get the ISO images in this directory to download. I was able to download the MD5sums file, but te ISO's won't download. The server seems to disconect before allowing me to download the files. Is there another ftp or http site where I can download FC1? The bittorrent is WAY too slow because I have a slower upload speed than download speed. PRINCE From 1midniterider at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 02:12:15 2003 From: 1midniterider at comcast.net (Marcus White) Date: 05 Nov 2003 21:12:15 -0500 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <20031106015258.GB7361@prince.homelinux.org> References: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20031106015258.GB7361@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1068084735.24835.161.camel@tbird> Try this one... ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/1/i386/iso/ On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 20:52, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Jesse Keating staggered into view and mumbled: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > For some strange reason I can't get the ISO images in this directory to > download. I was able to download the MD5sums file, but te ISO's won't download. > The server seems to disconect before allowing me to download the files. Is > there another ftp or http site where I can download FC1? The bittorrent is WAY > too slow because I have a slower upload speed than download speed. > > PRINCE > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Marcus White <1midniterider at comcast.net> From paul at frields.com Thu Nov 6 02:14:33 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:14:33 -0500 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <1068075013.8709.4.camel@ripley> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1068075013.8709.4.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <1068084873.1210.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 18:30, Ben Steeves wrote: > Re. the person who was asking if checking MD5s is redundant -- you > should always check the MD5s before burning, at least to make sure the > ISO is OK. Afterwards, media check should be sufficient. Checking MD5's of a completed torrent d/l is redundant, because BitTorrent checks MD5 on each chunk it gets as it completes it. Therefore the whole, if finished, will be fine automatically unless your disk has a media problem unrelated to the d/l. Read the protocol for more info. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 02:20:22 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 00:20:22 -0200 Subject: Changes to named In-Reply-To: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2003, "Neal D. Becker" wrote: > I see in release notes that the permissions/ownerships of named files have > changed. Is it OK to install (clean), then restore my > backed-up /var/lib/named and /etc/named.conf, or will I have to change > ownerships/permissions? Err... Release Notes anyone? o The BIND nameserver has had its security tightened. The /var/named/ directory is no longer owned by "named", but rather by "root". Slave zone files should now be stored in the new /var/named/slaves/ directory, which is owned by "named". In addition, a new bind-chroot package makes it possible to run the named daemon in a chroot() "jail" (located in /var/named/chroot/) for greater security. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 02:25:16 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 00:25:16 -0200 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain PLUS A BIT... In-Reply-To: <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2003, Mark Hutchinson wrote: > I think that when he says "Red Hat cuts RH 9 support short" > He probably means short compared to what long term users have come to expect > from RedHat. Maybe the expectations needed a reality check, provided by the kind reminder than RHN sent the other day? The following pages are all about 9 months old! http://web.archive.org/web/20030206082133/www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/index.html http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:QYh_77Z6j9YJ:www.owlriver.com/support/rh-eol.pdf+Red+Hat+Linux+8.0+EOL&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/27/239231&mode=thread&tid=110 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/29053.html > I was still updating 7.1 servers up till not long ago. It is what, > 2 years or more since 7 came out? 9 is not longer supported as of > April 2004? I think that is shorter. Yeah, but that's old news. Why all the fuss now? > but the 80$ box sets need to stay and have the guarantee of a year > or 2 of updates. Looks like you just found a nice niche for a Fedora support start-up :-) Red Hat doesn't plan on doing it, but if there is such a need that you claim, others will. It's a free market, after all. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Nov 6 02:32:16 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:32:16 -0500 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3FA9B2B0.4010004@insight.rr.com> Jesse Keating wrote: > In case anybody has missed it: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu > I am finding only 24 upgraded programs. This is about what was updated from test2 to test3 on d/l'ed disks. The Red Hat Update Agent has finished installing the following packages successfully: comps-1-0.20031103 fedora-release-1-3 gnome-pilot-2.0.10-4 gnome-pilot-devel-2.0.10-4 kudzu-1.1.36-1 kudzu-devel-1.1.36-1 mozilla-1.4.1-17 mozilla-chat-1.4.1-17 mozilla-devel-1.4.1-17 mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4.1-17 mozilla-js-debugger-1.4.1-17 mozilla-mail-1.4.1-17 mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-17 mozilla-nspr-devel-1.4.1-17 mozilla-nss-1.4.1-17 mozilla-nss-devel-1.4.1-17 openoffice.org-1.1.0-6 openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.0-6 openoffice.org-libs-1.1.0-6 redhat-artwork-0.88-1 redhat-config-boot-0.1.6-1 up2date-4.1.16-1 up2date-gnome-4.1.16-1 xscreensaver-4.14-2 Jim -- Good advice is something a man gives when he is too old to set a bad example. -- La Rouchefoucauld From zate at superfreeway.com Thu Nov 6 02:34:17 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:34:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD1 from Bittorrent not bootable... In-Reply-To: References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> Message-ID: <1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Hi All, This might be a stupid question, but has anyone else had an issue booting from CD1 make from the .torrent downloads ? I can read the disk fine, and boot from another Redhat Disk 1 .. but cannot boot from Yarrow CD1. I didnt limit the speed when the Cd was burnt, but havent done that with any Redhat / Fedora CDs i have made previously. also no floppy (IBM Laptop) so cant do it like that..until i get to work tomorrow. -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Nov 6 02:38:56 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:38:56 +0100 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain PLUS A BIT... References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 5, 2003, Mark Hutchinson wrote: >>but the 80$ box sets need to stay and have the guarantee of a year >>or 2 of updates. > Looks like you just found a nice niche for a Fedora support start-up > :-) Red Hat doesn't plan on doing it, but if there is such a need > that you claim, others will. It's a free market, after all. RH is very fast and it already took this niche ;-) RHPW costs $82.57 at buy.com -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 02:48:23 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 00:48:23 -0200 Subject: FC has been released. In-Reply-To: <3FA9B2B0.4010004@insight.rr.com> References: <200311051119.31068.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <3FA9B2B0.4010004@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: > I am finding only 24 upgraded programs. This is about what was updated > from test2 to test3 on d/l'ed disks. Err... You mean from test3+rawhide to FC1 (Yarrow), right? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 02:49:06 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 00:49:06 -0200 Subject: CD1 from Bittorrent not bootable... In-Reply-To: <1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, "Zate" wrote: > This might be a stupid question, but has anyone else had an issue booting > from CD1 make from the .torrent downloads ? I can read the disk fine, and > boot from another Redhat Disk 1 .. but cannot boot from Yarrow CD1. Did you check the MD5SUM? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 02:51:35 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 00:51:35 -0200 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain PLUS A BIT... In-Reply-To: <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2003, Mark Hutchinson wrote: >>> but the 80$ box sets need to stay and have the guarantee of a year >>> or 2 of updates. >> Looks like you just found a nice niche for a Fedora support start-up >> :-) Red Hat doesn't plan on doing it, but if there is such a need >> that you claim, others will. It's a free market, after all. > RH is very fast and it already took this niche ;-) > RHPW costs $82.57 at buy.com Heh. Good point, thanks for keeping me honest. Clearly I got my mind too much on Fedora these days :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From vze2hw9t at verizon.net Thu Nov 6 03:02:11 2003 From: vze2hw9t at verizon.net (higgy@gallifery) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:02:11 -0500 Subject: Fedora 1 and yum.conf In-Reply-To: <200311051941.01799.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200311051941.01799.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1068087729.6822.7.camel@gallifrey> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:41, Hoyt Duff wrote: > How do I get yum working to upgrade test2 to Fedora final? (i realize that's > not officially supported -- call me a rebel). > > What does yum.conf need to look like? I've installed yum from Fedora 1, but > still get errors. add the following directory to your sources file (/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources) yum fedora http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core.1.i386/os From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Thu Nov 6 03:10:59 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:10:59 -0600 Subject: yarrow-SRPMS-disc1.iso problem In-Reply-To: References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <1068088259.3300.9.camel@ByteEnable> I downloaded the SRPMS using BitTorrent. I got matching md5sums. However, Nero says its an invalid ISO and will not read it. Any idea's ? Thanks, Byte From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 6 03:12:53 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:12:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD1 from Bittorrent not bootable... In-Reply-To: <1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <64475.69.68.37.57.1068088373.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Zate said: > Hi All, > > This might be a stupid question, but has anyone else had an issue booting > from CD1 make from the .torrent downloads ? I can read the disk fine, and > boot from another Redhat Disk 1 .. but cannot boot from Yarrow CD1. I > didnt limit the speed when the Cd was burnt, but havent done that with any > Redhat / Fedora CDs i have made previously. Worksforme. Installing it now as a matter of fact. Can you give more information than "cannot boot"? -- William Hooper From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 6 03:18:51 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:18:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain PLUS A BIT... In-Reply-To: <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <64440.69.68.37.57.1068088731.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Xose Vazquez Perez said: > RH is very fast and it already took this niche ;-) > > RHPW costs $82.57 at buy.com Has anyone actually bought a copy of this yet? I don't see info about support life other than it comes with one year of RHN's "update" class service. -- William Hooper From vze2hw9t at verizon.net Thu Nov 6 03:21:40 2003 From: vze2hw9t at verizon.net (higgy@gallifery) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:21:40 -0500 Subject: Fedora 1 and yum.conf In-Reply-To: <1068087729.6822.7.camel@gallifrey> References: <200311051941.01799.hoyt@cavtel.net> <1068087729.6822.7.camel@gallifrey> Message-ID: <1068088899.6846.2.camel@gallifrey> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 22:02, higgy at gallifery wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:41, Hoyt Duff wrote: > > How do I get yum working to upgrade test2 to Fedora final? (i realize that's > > not officially supported -- call me a rebel). > > > > What does yum.conf need to look like? I've installed yum from Fedora 1, but > > still get errors. > > add the following directory to your sources file > (/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources) > > yum fedora > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core.1.i386/os > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list without the typos sorry 8^) yum fedora http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os From zate at superfreeway.com Thu Nov 6 03:26:24 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:26:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD1 from Bittorrent not bootable... In-Reply-To: References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org><1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <1226.65.32.153.221.1068089184.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> > Did you check the MD5SUM? > Yessir I did. checks out fine Anything else I should check ? I can read the files on the disk fine.. and it "autoloads" in RH8.0 .. but wont boot, yes my RHAS 2.1 Disk will. -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Nov 6 03:26:43 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:26:43 +0100 Subject: again RHPW References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> <64440.69.68.37.57.1068088731.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <3FA9BF73.3040104@wanadoo.es> William Hooper wrote: > Has anyone actually bought a copy of this yet? I don't see info about > support life other than it comes with one year of RHN's "update" class > service. I put more info here: http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-November/msg00040.html -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From zate at superfreeway.com Thu Nov 6 03:27:50 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:27:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: CD1 from Bittorrent not bootable... In-Reply-To: <64475.69.68.37.57.1068088373.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <64475.69.68.37.57.1068088373.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <1240.65.32.153.221.1068089270.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> > Worksforme. Installing it now as a matter of fact. > > Can you give more information than "cannot boot"? > > -- > William Hooper Basically its not being recognised as a bootable CDRom - other bootable CDRoms work fine. I guess I will reburn it tomorrow at a slower speed and try again. -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 6 03:39:53 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:39:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: again RHPW In-Reply-To: <3FA9BF73.3040104@wanadoo.es> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> <64440.69.68.37.57.1068088731.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <3FA9BF73.3040104@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <64634.69.68.37.57.1068089993.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Xose Vazquez Perez said: > William Hooper wrote: > >> Has anyone actually bought a copy of this yet? I don't see info about >> support life other than it comes with one year of RHN's "update" class >> service. > > I put more info here: > http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-November/msg00040.html So that's a no? I'm not interested in the marketing hype, I'm interested in what you actually get. -- William Hooper From dave at sasdatalink.com Thu Nov 6 03:53:58 2003 From: dave at sasdatalink.com (Dave Thomas) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:53:58 -0800 Subject: tweaking default GDM theme for multi-head Message-ID: <1068090838.10339.4.camel@rock.sasdatalink.com> The system I am using Fedora on uses two monitors in 'big desktop' mode. The default Fedora GDM theme has the logon right in the middle of the screen, so it spans both monitors on this box. I know nothing about GDM themes....can someone tell me how to tweak the theme so the logon box displays off to one side? Thanks, Dave Thomas From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Nov 5 23:52:23 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:52:23 +0000 Subject: Fedora 1 and yum.conf In-Reply-To: <1068088899.6846.2.camel@gallifrey> References: <200311051941.01799.hoyt@cavtel.net> <1068087729.6822.7.camel@gallifrey> <1068088899.6846.2.camel@gallifrey> Message-ID: <200311052352.23054.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 06 November 2003 03:21 am, higgy at gallifery wrote: > yum fedora > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os Thanks. It tells me that all packages are up to date. -- Hoyt From zate at superfreeway.com Thu Nov 6 06:05:58 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:05:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: again RHPW In-Reply-To: <64634.69.68.37.57.1068089993.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58. camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.locald omain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittyc at> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3 fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> <64440.69.68.37.57.1068088731.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <3FA9BF73.3040104@wanadoo.es> <64634.69.68.37.57.1068089993.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <49880.65.32.153.221.1068098758.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> If you had taken the time to read some of the info provided on that link you'd be treated to a list of what RHPW comes with, whats installed etc etc. > So that's a no? > > I'm not interested in the marketing hype, I'm interested in what you > actually get. > -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From mike at netlyncs.com Thu Nov 6 07:00:57 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:00:57 -0600 Subject: bittorrent iso's Message-ID: <1068102056.10183.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Ok, I got the iso(s) downloaded via bittorrent, but there is only one iso file there. Is it suppose to split it up auto into 3 sep iso's or what? Is there something I am suppose to do myself at this point? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now?....GOOD!" From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Nov 6 07:01:35 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:01:35 +0000 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question In-Reply-To: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <200311060701.36657.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 November 2003 23:33, Mike Chambers wrote: > Is it normal for the download to be lower than the upload even if only > for a few minutes until the download speed takes off? > > status: finishing in 43:35:08 > (0.3%) > speed: 10.3 KB/s down - 10.8 KB/s > up || totals: 6.1 MB down - > 6.0 MB up || > error(s): Your Bittorrent app can be more gregarious with incoming connections if you make sure that ports 6881-6889 are able to listen through any internal and external firewall. BT still works with those guys inaccessible but your download speed will typically be reduced. /sbin/iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 6881:6889 -j ACCEPT in /etc/rc.local will do the trick through your local firewall on the Fedora machine, if you have a NAT firewall externally, set it to forward traffic from your Internet IP on those ports to your favoured BT machine. FWIW BT is usually able to saturate my 1Mbps cable downstream, which it did overnight with yarrow.... plus it was able to give back 700MB while it did it despite my 256Kbps upstream.... BT is great, FTP is relegated to a distant second choice for these kinds of popular files. Even with the little swarm I was in with 125 other downloaders, we were seeing 15MB/sec aggregate download speeds, at almost no cost to Redhat. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qfHPjKeDCxMJCTIRApnbAJ9D8UX2zibpV9itf9kxk2/KMQIyMgCfQNmH Bh9RYjQZmj0nwFCCkBGXcCE= =y/NG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Nov 6 07:08:36 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:08:36 +0000 Subject: bittorrent iso's In-Reply-To: <1068102056.10183.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1068102056.10183.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <200311060708.37955.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 06 November 2003 07:00, Mike Chambers wrote: > Ok, I got the iso(s) downloaded via bittorrent, but there is only one > iso file there. Is it suppose to split it up auto into 3 sep iso's or > what? Is there something I am suppose to do myself at this point? Should be a directory... with three isos in it.... - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qfN0jKeDCxMJCTIRAsdpAJ0XVXbxEDSYCOZha5bSY5kygCy4hQCfU3RU CXEb6vN+kSVmDaMT/2ePGbg= =Y8vO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gerald at zorahlia.com Thu Nov 6 07:54:28 2003 From: gerald at zorahlia.com (Gerald Thompson) Date: 06 Nov 2003 00:54:28 -0700 Subject: Questioning RH's decisions to remain PLUS A BIT... In-Reply-To: <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> Message-ID: <1068105268.1267.18.camel@comp1b.zorahlia> > -------------------------snip------- > > ( BTW, I did already purchase 3.0 WS and ES from RH ) > > But from what I understand of the licensing, I can only install this RHES / > RHWS ) on one server right? > I will now evaluate fedora and ES and WS and determine if I should be spending > 100 x the price for ES 3.0. > > Otherwise I have to look elsewhere and I am really not wanting to do that. Like > I said earlier, I have invested alot of money on RH training (RHCE) and would > like to stay with it. > > RH just went a bit far on the move. I agree with the Enterprise move and know > RH needs to make money, but the 80$ box sets need to stay and have the guarantee > of a year or 2 of updates. > -------------------------snip------- What I think you need to do is consider a couple of things. Fedora is going to have about 6 to 8 months of updates from Redhat. Then Fedora Legacy is going to take over for about 1 year of updates after that. That gives you a total of 20 months of updates for a Fedora distro. You will have to make sure to use yum to do the updates and you might have to create a script of some kind to make all the 100 stations do it automatically. You can buy licenses for your ES and WS 3.0 distro's. Call Red Hat sales and see what kind of package that they can set you up with. All you need is update allowances for each workstation or server you install it on right. So you need licenses that will cover all your computers with updates. Red Hat always makes allowances if you buy in volume, call them and see what kind of volume package you can purchase. If you think about it, right now you have to buy RHN access for each workstation you register for updates except the initial demo update. Red Hat doesn't expect you to buy an ISO for every workstation and server, you can use the same disks for all over them. What Red Hat wants is that you need a support license for each workstation and server. So what kind of package do you need, that is why Red Hat has sales consultants, they help you find the price package that suits your need. I believe you are allowed to convert existing RHN subscriptions to Enterprise for half price, you might have to call Red Hat to confirm this. What I notice most people are doing here is they are crying that the sky is falling in, but in the end has anyone actually called Red Hat by phone and asked them what kind of package they could get for give you for your data-center. Think about it like this, where do you need the most stability? probably your servers, so you really need the ES licenses. Can you use Fedora for the workstations? Do you need stability and strict update structure for your workstations, if you do then WS is the right option for you. Are you willing to take a little risk on cutting edge? If you are then Fedora is the right option for you. Anyway, before people cry that the sky is falling, I think they should take a step back, look at how much they are spending per year to maintain their data-centers right now, this includes your subscriptions to RHN for updates. Then call Red Hat and see what kind of package they can offer you, compare the costs, then make a decision. All the people who have one or two computers, do they honestly care if they have to upgrade their OS install every 6 to 7 months, how many of you can honestly say you don't do this already. I know I am an early adopter, as soon as 7 was out, I upgraded. As soon as 8 was out I upgraded. As soon as 9 was out I upgraded. I don't consider myself a very knowledgeable bug test so I was waiting a little bit for the first official Fedora distro before I upgraded. I will probably get both comps to Fedora on my days off this week. I only have the two computers so who cares that I have to update consistently. All I can say is if you are running a whole bunch of computers you should at least take the time to talk to Red Hat and see what they can offer. If you are a non-profit or education organization they might even offer you a good deal on the licenses. All companies like to support their communities and Red Hat is no different than anyone else. Sincerely, Gerald Thompson From mharris at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 08:07:41 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 03:07:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Mike Lurk wrote: >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:27:26 -0500 >From: Mike Lurk >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Fedora downloads > >It should be a given that all that contributed to the Fedora core test >list or anyone in the other lists should have an exclusive site where >they could download final releases. I just tried to download FC1 and the >site is full. I know i have pretty much what the final FC1 will be >but... you know. Testing and all that other fun stuff we earn the right >to have first dibs on the stuff.... > >I'm ranting sorry Please go back to /lurk/ing. ;o) /me couldn't pass the obvious pun there... -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From antti at victoria.fi Thu Nov 6 08:21:17 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:21:17 +0200 Subject: bittorrent iso's In-Reply-To: <1068102056.10183.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1068102056.10183.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1068106876.1416.10.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 09:00, Mike Chambers wrote: > Ok, I got the iso(s) downloaded via bittorrent, but there is only one > iso file there. Is it suppose to split it up auto into 3 sep iso's or > what? Is there something I am suppose to do myself at this point? Burn it into a dvd =). -- Antti From x1svewah at stud.slu.se Thu Nov 6 08:53:59 2003 From: x1svewah at stud.slu.se (Sven Wahl) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:53:59 +0100 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server Message-ID: <200311060953.59140.x1svewah@stud.slu.se> Dear folks, On the Fedora Project website, the primary donload location for Fedora Core 1 is specified as: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ However, the present mirrors that have been used for Red Hat Linux, Fedora Core test releases etc. so far synchronise against: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/ How is this supposed to be? Will there be special mirror servers for Fedora Core? ... wonders Sven From sun-zj at tdk-tech.com Thu Nov 6 09:00:01 2003 From: sun-zj at tdk-tech.com (sun) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:00:01 +0800 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server References: <200311060953.59140.x1svewah@stud.slu.se> Message-ID: <004901c3a444$5d71b410$3e01a8c0@sunzj> hi: I found a mirror which is http://www.ibiblio.org Best Regards. Zongjun. Sun Freemen fight for freedom sun-zj at tdk-tech.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Wahl" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server > > Dear folks, > > On the Fedora Project website, the primary donload location for > Fedora Core 1 is specified as: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > > However, the present mirrors that have been used for Red Hat Linux, > Fedora Core test releases etc. so far synchronise against: > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/ > > > How is this supposed to be? > Will there be special mirror servers for Fedora Core? > > ... wonders Sven > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Thu Nov 6 09:01:46 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:01:46 +0100 Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: <1068073429.31964.28.camel@chip.ath.cx> References: <20031105192029.GF1840@e-smith.com> <1068073429.31964.28.camel@chip.ath.cx> Message-ID: <20031106090146.GC9512@puariko.nirvana> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:03:49AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 21:20, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > I was just looking at the download instructions at > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ > > > > and it mentions up2date and yum for updating your install via > > RawHide. Is apt-rpm not supported for this, or is it just not mentioned? > > Apt-rpm is not at least currently supported in Fedora Core, however > a) you can safely expect various mirrors to provide "apt-rpm enabled" > repositories of it, including www.fedora.us and freshrpms.net. Do you have any apt configs for FC1 in those repos? Thanks! > b) there's work going on to create a generic repository metadata format, > meaning in practise any depsolver supporting that can be used to access > any repository using that format, at which point there aren't > yum/apt-rpm/up2date/red-carpet repositories, they simply become "package > repositories" which you can access with your favorite client. > > - Panu - > > -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any idea's > ? > > Thanks, > Byte > I re-started Nero and everything seems to be working as it should. Thanks, Byte From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Nov 6 09:36:24 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:36:24 +0200 (EET) Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: <20031106090146.GC9512@puariko.nirvana> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:03:49AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 21:20, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > > I was just looking at the download instructions at > > > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ > > > > > > and it mentions up2date and yum for updating your install via > > > RawHide. Is apt-rpm not supported for this, or is it just not mentioned? > > > > Apt-rpm is not at least currently supported in Fedora Core, however > > a) you can safely expect various mirrors to provide "apt-rpm enabled" > > repositories of it, including www.fedora.us and freshrpms.net. > > Do you have any apt configs for FC1 in those repos? Thanks! rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ fedora/1/i386 os updates stable rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ fedora/1/i386 os updates stable ..but please try to find+use a mirror instead of going to download.fedora.us directly. - Panu - From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Nov 6 09:42:11 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:42:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Axel Thimm wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:03:49AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 21:20, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > > > I was just looking at the download instructions at > > > > > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ > > > > > > > > and it mentions up2date and yum for updating your install via > > > > RawHide. Is apt-rpm not supported for this, or is it just not mentioned? > > > > > > Apt-rpm is not at least currently supported in Fedora Core, however > > > a) you can safely expect various mirrors to provide "apt-rpm enabled" > > > repositories of it, including www.fedora.us and freshrpms.net. > > > > Do you have any apt configs for FC1 in those repos? Thanks! > > rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ fedora/1/i386 os updates stable > rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora/ fedora/1/i386 os updates stable > > ..but please try to find+use a mirror instead of going to > download.fedora.us directly. Oh and that's just Fedora Core, fedora.us extra packages haven't yet been rebuilt for FC1. - Panu - From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Thu Nov 6 10:14:24 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:14:24 +0200 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server In-Reply-To: <200311060953.59140.x1svewah@stud.slu.se> References: <200311060953.59140.x1svewah@stud.slu.se> Message-ID: <1068113664.3345.0.camel@albert> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 10:53, Sven Wahl wrote: > Dear folks, > > On the Fedora Project website, the primary donload location for > Fedora Core 1 is specified as: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > > However, the present mirrors that have been used for Red Hat Linux, > Fedora Core test releases etc. so far synchronise against: > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/ > > > How is this supposed to be? > Will there be special mirror servers for Fedora Core? > > ... wonders Sven > Here is another mirror http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ Also on ftp I am sure. Just replace http with ftp. You know the drill. From mmuller at lbcons.net Thu Nov 6 10:29:59 2003 From: mmuller at lbcons.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?M=FCller_Mikl=F3s?=) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:29:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: tuxracer missing from fc1 Message-ID: <64120.193.110.58.52.1068114599.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> Hi, Tuxracer is missing from the release cd of Fedora Core 1. It should be in disc2/Fedora/RPMS, but it is not. The rpm is available from the mirrors though. Cheers Miklos From kissg at dataminer.hu Thu Nov 6 11:29:51 2003 From: kissg at dataminer.hu (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Kiss_G=E1bor?=) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:29:51 +0100 Subject: xeon processors Message-ID: <027e01c3a459$4f6e5020$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Dear all, could you tell me, if Fedora is working on the Intel Xeon processors? And on the HP-Compaq ProLiant DL serie (RAID, chipset, on board ethernet...) ? Thanks G?bor From aldert at vdlaan.yi.org Thu Nov 6 11:54:14 2003 From: aldert at vdlaan.yi.org (Aldert E. van der Laan) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:54:14 -0500 Subject: xeon processors In-Reply-To: <027e01c3a459$4f6e5020$0401a8c0@pclaptop> References: <027e01c3a459$4f6e5020$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Message-ID: <1068119654.18646.10.camel@vdlxws1.vdlaan.yi.org.local> Running on two DL 380 g3 with 6Gb memory each and a mirrored set of 36gb drives. Together with two FCA2214DC controllers the the 6.06.50RH drivers (HP webside and force them on) trying to access the VA7410 SAN (no luck so far). We also have six of these machines running with ES 2.1 and have just gotten three new servers planning on ES 3.0 Processors set to Hyperthreading - testing now with VMware GSX servers (about 7 per machine). As we were testing on this with Fedora Test3 I am now moving today to Fedora -Core-1 RedHat products will play a big role in our server consolidation (from 130 physical servers back to 10 that run Linux with virtual servers). Heading over to my play room now (oh some people call it work) Cheers, Aldert. On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 06:29, Kiss G??bor wrote: > Dear all, > > could you tell me, if Fedora is working on the Intel Xeon processors? And on > the HP-Compaq ProLiant DL serie (RAID, chipset, on board ethernet...) ? > > Thanks > G??bor > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at frields.com Thu Nov 6 12:30:37 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: 06 Nov 2003 07:30:37 -0500 Subject: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3 In-Reply-To: <200311051340.35241.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1068037480.7080.9.camel@Darkstar> <1068039021.3934.15.camel@london.east.gov> <200311051340.35241.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <1068045881.3934.49.camel@london.east.gov> > > Great idea, to make this part of firstboot. That would also be an ideal > > time to not just ask the question, but mention what bugzilla is for. If > > there is going to be a FAQ as someone mentioned, I would make that part > > Disagree -- firstboot is a bit evil because it is oneshot. They might decide > later they do want Bugzilla and have to find access another way, that's a > MSFT-type clippy-kinda-fragile-helpful trick. Other than a gut reaction, can you be more specific? Firstboot is there, it's helpful for most of the students to whom I've taught Linux, and is well-suited for this type of task. > Besides, personally I click click click through any such impediments to get to > the OS to find if my apps are still working :-) Then I might relax later > and want to hear about such things. If it is on the desktop they are at > least going to investigate it before deleting it. And you do this presumably because you already know about Bugzilla, etc. The target audience can be reasonably expected to read the screen if they are new to the product. :-) "Because I'll ignore it" is probably not a substantive argument in this particular case. > Something on the "start applications" menu button might be good too. > > Wherever you mention it, noting that its the place not just for bugs (BUGzilla > is kind of perjorative) but for RFEs and sorta tech support would be good... > as would pointing to the mls and ml archive. Well, bugzilla is not for tech support per se, it's for reporting bugs; don't want to give the wrong impression (q.v. number of "DUPLICATE" and "NOTABUG" entries). Mailing lists, Web, Usenet et al. are the proper tech support outlets -- but I agree with your overall point, which is a good one. -- Paul W. Frields From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 6 12:39:31 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:39:31 -0500 Subject: Changes to named In-Reply-To: References: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 09:20 pm, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 5, 2003, "Neal D. Becker" wrote: > > I see in release notes that the permissions/ownerships of named files > > have changed. Is it OK to install (clean), then restore my > > backed-up /var/lib/named and /etc/named.conf, or will I have to change > > ownerships/permissions? > > Err... Release Notes anyone? > > o The BIND nameserver has had its security tightened. The /var/named/ > directory is no longer owned by "named", but rather by "root". Slave > zone files should now be stored in the new /var/named/slaves/ > directory, which is owned by "named". In addition, a new bind-chroot > package makes it possible to run the named daemon in a chroot() > "jail" (located in /var/named/chroot/) for greater security. Thanks, but I already read the release notes. My question is, if I simply restore my old named setup, overwriting the new permissions/ownerships with the old ones, will named break? From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 6 12:51:31 2003 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:51:31 +0000 Subject: Changes to named In-Reply-To: <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1068123091.5215.35.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:39, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2003 09:20 pm, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2003, "Neal D. Becker" wrote: > > > I see in release notes that the permissions/ownerships of named files > > > have changed. Is it OK to install (clean), then restore my > > > backed-up /var/lib/named and /etc/named.conf, or will I have to change > > > ownerships/permissions? > > > > Err... Release Notes anyone? > > > > o The BIND nameserver has had its security tightened. The /var/named/ > > directory is no longer owned by "named", but rather by "root". Slave > > zone files should now be stored in the new /var/named/slaves/ > > directory, which is owned by "named". In addition, a new bind-chroot > > package makes it possible to run the named daemon in a chroot() > > "jail" (located in /var/named/chroot/) for greater security. > > Thanks, but I already read the release notes. My question is, if I simply > restore my old named setup, overwriting the new permissions/ownerships with > the old ones, will named break? Hi Alexandre. I am guessing that this will probably prevent bind from starting. However, as it is only an ownership change (it would appear), it should be fairly easy to run chown -R on the required directory, affecting all the files, and then again, one level lower on the slaves directory. However it would appear, if you have slaves set up, you will also have to alter the named.conf file so that the slaves files are placed in the right directory. Apologies in advance if I am completely off base on this topic (will be doing this exact same thing in a day or two). Doug From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 6 13:33:18 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:33:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: again RHPW In-Reply-To: <49880.65.32.153.221.1068098758.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067958051.9618.58. camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067960392.4477.3.camel@localhost.locald omain> <200311041252.58618.elwoo@videotron.ca> <03d001c3a3d6$32695ac0$2eedfea9@kittyc at> <1309.12.29.16.103.1068063363.squirrel@12.29.16.103> <1068070948.3 fa978245cc5d@webmail.3web.com> <3FA9B440.9000504@wanadoo.es> <64440.69.68.37.57.1068088731.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <3FA9BF73.3040104@wanadoo.es> <64634.69.68.37.57.1068089993.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <49880.65.32.153.221.1068098758.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <65106.69.68.37.57.1068125598.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Zate said: > If you had taken the time to read some of the info provided on that link > you'd be treated to a list of what RHPW comes with, whats installed etc > etc. I know what it comes with and what is installed. The question was: >> Has anyone actually bought a copy of this yet? I don't see info about >> support life other than it comes with one year of RHN's "update" class >> service. -- William Hooper From mr700 at globalnet.bg Thu Nov 6 13:38:38 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:38:38 +0200 Subject: bittorrent iso's In-Reply-To: <200311060708.37955.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <1068102056.10183.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <200311060708.37955.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <200311061538.38999@-mr700> On Thursday 06 November 2003 09:08, Andy Green wrote: > On Thursday 06 November 2003 07:00, Mike Chambers wrote: > > Ok, I got the iso(s) downloaded via bittorrent, but there is only one > > iso file there. Is it suppose to split it up auto into 3 sep iso's or > > what? Is there something I am suppose to do myself at this point? > > Should be a directory... with three isos in it.... > > -Andy Yes, it is a directory with ISOs inside, at least in my case. 3 ISOs with binary, and 3 (in other directory) with sources... still downloading... -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 6 13:38:36 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:38:36 -0500 Subject: Changes to named In-Reply-To: <1068123091.5215.35.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> References: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> <1068123091.5215.35.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> Message-ID: <200311060838.36226.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 06 November 2003 07:51 am, Douglas Furlong wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:39, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 November 2003 09:20 pm, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > On Nov 5, 2003, "Neal D. Becker" wrote: > > > > I see in release notes that the permissions/ownerships of named files > > > > have changed. Is it OK to install (clean), then restore my > > > > backed-up /var/lib/named and /etc/named.conf, or will I have to > > > > change ownerships/permissions? > > > > > > Err... Release Notes anyone? > > > > > > o The BIND nameserver has had its security tightened. The > > > /var/named/ directory is no longer owned by "named", but rather by > > > "root". Slave zone files should now be stored in the new > > > /var/named/slaves/ directory, which is owned by "named". In addition, a > > > new bind-chroot package makes it possible to run the named daemon in a > > > chroot() "jail" (located in /var/named/chroot/) for greater security. > > > > Thanks, but I already read the release notes. My question is, if I > > simply restore my old named setup, overwriting the new > > permissions/ownerships with the old ones, will named break? > > Hi Alexandre. > > I am guessing that this will probably prevent bind from starting. > > However, as it is only an ownership change (it would appear), it should > be fairly easy to run chown -R on the required directory, affecting all > the files, and then again, one level lower on the slaves directory. > > However it would appear, if you have slaves set up, you will also have > to alter the named.conf file so that the slaves files are placed in the > right directory. > What is the upgrade procedure for RH9 to fedora on a system which is named master? Slave? Will upgrade fix everything automatically? (This is an important question) From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Thu Nov 6 13:49:18 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:49:18 +0000 Subject: bittorrent iso's In-Reply-To: <200311061538.38999@-mr700> References: <1068102056.10183.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <200311060708.37955.fedora@warmcat.com> <200311061538.38999@-mr700> Message-ID: <1068126558.8928.43.camel@T6.linux> Hi, I've downloaded the binary isos via bittorrent for yarrow. Anyone point me in the right direction for the srpms isos via bt? TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Nov 6 13:57:06 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:57:06 -0500 Subject: evolution quandary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068127026.3107.16.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 18:00, Don wrote: > In order to use Evolution to send mail, I have to apply a patch (see > http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=50535 ) > > Obviously this fix won't be in the Evolution version shipped with FC1 > today.... how do I get this patch applied and recompile it? You'd need to be familiar with rebuilding an RPM and editing a spec file. It's not that hard, but more than I have time to go into now. What I'd suggest you do is file a bug in Red Hat's bugzilla, and reference that Ximian bug number. Perhaps the Red Hat developers will apply that patch in their version. > Or will this show up in "up2date" in a couple of days? I can wait... > :-) Probably not if you don't report it to Red Hat. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To be pedantic, BitTorrent actually uses the SHA1 hash algorithm, not MD5, though the effect is the same. > Therefore the whole, if finished, will be fine automatically unless your > disk has a media problem unrelated to the d/l. Read the protocol for > more info. True, but it can't hurt, and doesn't normally take long, to MD5-check the .iso files also. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mike at CamaroSS.net Thu Nov 6 14:07:21 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:07:21 -0600 Subject: bittorrent iso's In-Reply-To: <1068126558.8928.43.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <200311061404.hA6E4i4Z019178@genesis.camaross.net> http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-src-i386-iso.torrent > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:49 AM > To: fedora > Subject: Re: bittorrent iso's > > Hi, > > I've downloaded the binary isos via bittorrent for yarrow. > > Anyone point me in the right direction for the srpms isos via bt? > > TTFN > > Paul > -- > One OS to fool them all > One browser to find them > One email client to bring them all > And through security holes, blind them... > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mr700 at globalnet.bg Thu Nov 6 14:12:06 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:12:06 +0200 Subject: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora In-Reply-To: <1068066673.2888.20.camel@Darkstar> References: <1068066673.2888.20.camel@Darkstar> Message-ID: <200311061612.06592@-mr700> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 23:11, Mike Lurk wrote: > From: "Don" > To: > Subject: RE: upgrade from RH9 to Fedora > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:44:22 -0800 > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Scott, > I like to do "clean installs" too... I did that when I installed FCT2 > and > FCT3, and will when FC1 is out as well. Right now I don't care if I > reformat > the entire drive... I bought a second drive just for the purpose of > running > Linux.... but when Linux starts actually replacing my Windows system, I > won't have the luxury of simply reformatting the entire disk.... > > What do you do to preserve the contents of /home and other directories? > > I wish there were an option in the install process that allowed > "everything > to be wiped out" except for the user stuff. > I suspect this is easier said that done though because apps might have a > tendency to put stuff in various directories... like maybe a certain app > installs fonts it needs.... I might not want those put in the X11 > directory, > but that might be "convenient" for the app.... > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Do what I do, Create a separate partition for the /home directory, then > you could format the other partitions before installing FC1. That way > you preserve all your data as well as the other stuff you want to keep > like downloads. > > Mike > If you placed your /home and /usr/local in separate partition (as I do, and Mike did), then you can instruct the installer to format everything else :) When I add my own stuff in the box, I put it under /usr/local. If you however have something in /var/named /var/www/ or anything like these, you'll have to preserve it yourself. I don't see an easy way... The hard way is when booting RedHat 8/9 and surely Fedora 1 you have a shell at tty2 press Alt-F2, mount your old system and rm -rf everything except the data you wish preserved, unmount and then go back installing. I have /var on separate partition too, but there are things like rpmdb that have to be removed by hand just to make sure :) And at last, after installing the new system you can ask rpm (rpm -qf ) what the heel is file or directory, and if there are no bugs it should be able to answer with the package name. If not, and if you don't know what this file/dir is doing there, it's at least 99% certain you can remove it. This way I 'cleaned' my system when I did 'make install' by mistake... but this is the 'hardest' way I can think of ;) -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Nov 6 09:11:43 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:11:43 +0000 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <1068127506.3107.18.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1068084873.1210.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1068127506.3107.18.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <200311060911.43768.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 06 November 2003 02:05 pm, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > Checking MD5's of a completed torrent d/l is redundant, because > > BitTorrent checks MD5 on each chunk it gets as it completes it. > > To be pedantic, BitTorrent actually uses the SHA1 hash algorithm, not > MD5, though the effect is the same. Then how come I have gotten corrupted bt downloads? -- Hoyt Duff http://www.maximumhoyt.com/ Computing in Hell: The security of Windows, the ease of use of Linux, the documentation of UNIX, the installation ease of BSD, the application choices of Su^H^HNovell, and a Macintosh mouse! From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 6 14:20:02 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:20:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: network install broken? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64722.69.68.37.57.1068128402.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Jeff Schoby said: > When I try to do an nfs, ftp, or http install, it retreives the images > from the server ok, but then when it tries to mount them there's an > error message on one of the virtual consoles that says the following: > > copied 67166208 bytes to /tmp/ramfs/stage2.img (complete) > mntloop loop0 on /mnt/runtime as /tmp/ramfs/stag2.img fd is 30 > failed to mount loop: invalid argument > Error mounting /dev/loop0 on /mnt/runtime (invalid argument) I did an NFS install last night without problems using CD1 to boot with. -- William Hooper From patrickm at myway.com Thu Nov 6 14:55:35 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:55:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server Message-ID: <20031106145535.8ADAC398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Thanks Maynard!! Fast download :-) PatrickM "All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you..." --- On Thu 11/06, Maynard Kuona < knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za > wrote: From: Maynard Kuona [mailto: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:14:24 +0200 Subject: Re: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server >Here is another mirror: >http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From david.balazic at hermes.si Thu Nov 6 14:31:31 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:31:31 +0100 Subject: Rawhide, fedora updates, fedora testing etc Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E1@piramida.hermes.si> What is the difference/relation between rawhide and http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ ? ( and /fedora/linux/core/test , /fedora/linux/core/updates ? ) Regards, David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- David Balazic mailto:david.balazic at hermes.si HERMES Softlab http://www.hermes-softlab.com Zolajeva 30 Phone: +386 2 450 8851 SI-2000 Maribor Slovenija ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- "Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq. & "Ted" Theodore Logan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 14:19:18 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:19:18 -0500 Subject: Announcing Fedora Core 1 Message-ID: <20031106091918.A26390@devserv.devel.redhat.com> RALEIGH, N.C., Nov 6, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Red Hat, Inc. (NASDAQ: RHAT), the world's premier open source software provider, today announced the availability of Fedora(TM)Core 1, the first software release of the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is a Red Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project that promotes rapid development of innovative open source software through a collaborative, community effort. Fedora Core 1 provides a complete Linux platform built exclusively from open source software. Available at no cost, the release serves the needs of community developers, testers, and other technology enthusiasts who wish to participate in and accelerate the technology development process. As a community forum for advanced development, the Fedora Project provides early visibility to the latest open source technology and serves as a proving ground for technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat's fully-supported commercial solutions such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Red Hat contributes development resources, editorial direction and management to the Fedora Project. Following this release, Red Hat and the community's efforts will turn to the development of Fedora Core 2, which will focus on the next wave of leading edge technology including the integration of the Linux 2.6 kernel. Developers and testers alike are welcome to visit fedora.redhat.com and get directly involved with building the future of Linux. Fedora Core 1 can be downloaded from http://fedora.redhat.com/, and from the following mirrors: * North America * USA East * ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/ * http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/ * rsync://distro.ibiblio.org/fedora-linux-core/ * ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * http://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * USA West * ftp://limesetone.uoregon.edu/fedora/ * ftp://linux.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/ * Canada * ftp://less.cogeco.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/linux/core/ * Europe * Austria * http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/core/ * ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/core/ * Czech Republic * ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/pub/fedora/ * ftp://ultra.linux.cz/pub/fedora/ * rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora/fedora/ * ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://ftp6.linux.cz/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/ * rsync://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/ * France * http://ftp.crihan.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp//ftp.crihan.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/ * rsync://ftp.crihan.fr::fedora-linux-core/ * Germany * http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/ * ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/ * ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/ * rsync://rsync.uni-bayreuth.de/fedora-linux-core/ * ftp://ftp.stw-bonn.de/pub/mirror/fedora/linux/core/ * Ireland * http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * rsync://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/linux/core/ * Netherlands * ftp://ftp.quicknet.nl/pub/Linux/download.fedora.redhat.com/ * ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/fedora/core/ * Norway * ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/linux/Fedora/core/ * Poland * ftp://tux.cprm.net/pub/ftp.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://ftp.wsisiz.edu.pl/mirror/download.fedora.redhat.com/ * United Kingdom * http://zeniiia.linux.org.uk/pub/distributions/fedora/linux/core/ * ftp://zeniiia.linux.org.uk/pub/distributions/fedora/linux/core/ * rsync://zeniiia.linux.org.uk/fedora-linux-core/ * Pacific * Australia * ftp://ftp.netcraft.com.au/pub/fedora/linux/core/ From zate at superfreeway.com Thu Nov 6 15:15:08 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:15:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: network install broken? In-Reply-To: <64722.69.68.37.57.1068128402.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <64722.69.68.37.57.1068128402.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <58409.155.201.35.50.1068131708.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> > > I did an NFS install last night without problems using CD1 to boot with. And I've just burnt my second non-bootable Disc 1. Any ideas why it might not boot? It boots just fine from Advanced Server 2.1 Disc 1. I burnt the second one at a slower speed (14x) and am using cdrw. -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From hj862403 at stud.auc.dk Thu Nov 6 15:21:53 2003 From: hj862403 at stud.auc.dk (hj862403) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:21:53 +0100 Subject: driverloader Message-ID: <24189261.1068132113676.JavaMail.recht@vildere> Hey I am using driverloader from linux, to get my centrino wireless working. I had it running under fedora test 3, but now with fedora core 1, It can't compile the module, I get this error: GCC32 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -o dldrpci.o dldrpci.c In file included from dldrpci.c:21: ../modules/GPL/kcompat.h:133: redefinition of `free_netdev' /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/build/include/linux/netdevice.h:877: `free_netdev' previously defined here dldrpci.c: In function `dldrpci_probe': dldrpci.c:140: warning: unused variable `p' make: *** [dldrpci.o] Error 1 anyone know how to fix this? /cs Henrik J?rgensen From mike at CamaroSS.net Thu Nov 6 15:33:53 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:33:53 -0600 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server In-Reply-To: <20031106145535.8ADAC398A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200311061531.hA6FVE4Z023093@genesis.camaross.net> I finished my download via BT last night at 550k/sec I left BT running and I have a steady ul speed of 310k/sec right now! Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of PatrickM > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:56 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server > > > Thanks Maynard!! > > Fast download :-) > > PatrickM > > > "All you have to decide, is what to do > with the time that is given to you..." > > --- On Thu 11/06, Maynard Kuona < knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za > wrote: > From: Maynard Kuona [mailto: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za] > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:14:24 +0200 > Subject: Re: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server > > >Here is another mirror: > >http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 6 15:35:10 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:35:10 -0800 Subject: evolution quandary In-Reply-To: <1068127026.3107.16.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: Thanks Jeremy, That's not too encouraging... I reported the bug to redhat first, they dismissed it as "not a bug".... Ref. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108753 I followed up with ximian instead, and within an hour had the patch available.... Ref. http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=50535 I reopened the redhat bug and have never heard anything since... Perhaps there's too much emphasis on "Bug Wednesday" to CLOSE bug reports rather than FIX bug reports. ;-) Cheers, Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Portzer > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:57 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: evolution quandary > > > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 18:00, Don wrote: > > In order to use Evolution to send mail, I have to apply a patch (see > > http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=50535 ) > > > > Obviously this fix won't be in the Evolution version shipped with FC1 > > today.... how do I get this patch applied and recompile it? > > You'd need to be familiar with rebuilding an RPM and editing a spec > file. It's not that hard, but more than I have time to go into now. > What I'd suggest you do is file a bug in Red Hat's bugzilla, and > reference that Ximian bug number. Perhaps the Red Hat developers will > apply that patch in their version. > > > Or will this show up in "up2date" in a couple of days? I can wait... > > :-) > > Probably not if you don't report it to Red Hat. > > --Jeremy > > -- > /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ > | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | > | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | > \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ > From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Thu Nov 6 15:37:51 2003 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:37:51 -0700 Subject: Fedora 1 and yum.conf In-Reply-To: <200311051941.01799.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200311051941.01799.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <20031106153751.GA5448@charlescurley.com> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 07:41:01PM +0000, Hoyt Duff wrote: > How do I get yum working to upgrade test2 to Fedora final? (i realize that's > not officially supported -- call me a rebel). > > What does yum.conf need to look like? I've installed yum from Fedora 1, but > still get errors. See Yum Repository Notes, http://www.charlescurley.com/yum.html > > -- > Hoyt > http://www.maximumhoyt.com/ > > Computing in Hell: > The security of Windows, > the ease of use of Linux, > the documentation of UNIX, > the installation ease of BSD, > the application choices of Su^H^H Novell, > and a Macintosh mouse! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bcs at metacon.ca Thu Nov 6 15:39:11 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:39:11 -0400 Subject: network install broken? In-Reply-To: <58409.155.201.35.50.1068131708.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <64722.69.68.37.57.1068128402.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <58409.155.201.35.50.1068131708.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <1068133151.5381.2.camel@zephyr> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 11:15, Zate wrote: > > > > I did an NFS install last night without problems using CD1 to boot with. > > And I've just burnt my second non-bootable Disc 1. Any ideas why it > might not boot? It boots just fine from Advanced Server 2.1 Disc 1. I > burnt the second one at a slower speed (14x) and am using cdrw. Weird. Try burning / using the Boot CD instead. If that doesn't work, bum an external floppy from someone :-) Ben -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From cmadams at hiwaay.net Thu Nov 6 15:46:11 2003 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:46:11 -0600 Subject: Rawhide, fedora updates, fedora testing etc In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E1@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E1@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031106154611.GF1548864@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, David Balazic said: > What is the difference/relation between rawhide and > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ ? > > ( and /fedora/linux/core/test , /fedora/linux/core/updates ? ) fedora/linux/core/development will replace rawhide for Fedora work fedora/linux/core/test will be where beta releases go fedora/linux/core/updates is where updates for FC releases will go Basically, for the beta, it looks like Red Hat didn't get everything separated from the RH tree, but starting with FC 1, the Fedora Project will have its own FTP name space distinct from Red Hat's. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From kevin at loose-screws.com Thu Nov 6 15:46:32 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:46:32 +0800 Subject: [OT] Novell to Aquire SUSE In-Reply-To: <1068000842.3883.118.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> References: <002801c3a308$5b5ca550$4602a8c0@gordo> <1068000842.3883.118.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1068043107.4885.0.camel@aerie> nope. Redhat config tools are already there. as well as the other GNOME config tools apart from RH ones. On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 10:54, James Drabb wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:17, Gord Busse wrote: > > Someone had mentioned something on this list earlier about Novell. Well > > I just happened across this press release. Apparently Novell it taking > > Linux VERY seriously. > > > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html > > I also just read this before you posted it. I wonder what Novell will > do about the desktop. SuSE uses KDE by default and most/all of their > tools are built for KDE. Novell also just bought Ximian which has the > XD2 desktop based on Gnome. I wonder if Novell will use KDE as their > default desktop or rip it out and use XD2. The only thing with that is > that they will need to make all new admin applications. > > Jim Drabb From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 6 15:38:30 2003 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:38:30 +0000 Subject: network install broken? In-Reply-To: <58409.155.201.35.50.1068131708.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <64722.69.68.37.57.1068128402.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <58409.155.201.35.50.1068131708.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <1068133109.5215.46.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 15:15, Zate wrote: > > > > I did an NFS install last night without problems using CD1 to boot with. > > And I've just burnt my second non-bootable Disc 1. Any ideas why it > might not boot? It boots just fine from Advanced Server 2.1 Disc 1. I > burnt the second one at a slower speed (14x) and am using cdrw. > Just a quick thought, which probably won't help. Have you tried to mount the .iso file via the loopback device, to make sure that it is readable? Doug From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 15:18:29 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 13:18:29 -0200 Subject: Changes to named In-Reply-To: <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, "Neal D. Becker" wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2003 09:20 pm, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2003, "Neal D. Becker" wrote: >> > I see in release notes that the permissions/ownerships of named files >> > have changed. Is it OK to install (clean), then restore my >> > backed-up /var/lib/named and /etc/named.conf, or will I have to change >> > ownerships/permissions? >> >> Err... Release Notes anyone? >> >> o The BIND nameserver has had its security tightened. The /var/named/ >> directory is no longer owned by "named", but rather by "root". Slave >> zone files should now be stored in the new /var/named/slaves/ >> directory, which is owned by "named". In addition, a new bind-chroot >> package makes it possible to run the named daemon in a chroot() >> "jail" (located in /var/named/chroot/) for greater security. > Thanks, but I already read the release notes. My question is, if I simply > restore my old named setup, overwriting the new permissions/ownerships with > the old ones, will named break? If you don't change ownership and you do have slave zones in the now-root-owned directory, it will break. If you do change ownership, you revert the security improvements. It would be best to tweak named.conf to use the sub-directory, and get your config files into the chroot (otherwise you have to edit /etc/sysconfig/named to remove ROOTDIR). -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Nov 6 15:49:39 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:49:39 -0500 Subject: DVD ISOs? Message-ID: <3FAA6D93.1010805@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There had been, at one time or another, discussion of distributing Fedora Core in a DVD ISO format. Are there still plans for such? Also, I recall some scripts being posted on how to cobble together such an iso from the 3 existing CD ISOs. Is there an analogous one for making one of all 6 ISOs? Or is it nonsensical to include the source ISOs on the same disc as the binary ones? - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qm2TN50Q8DVvcvkRAt/SAJ92xJa4Mx/wvjfhP8gmQLYc2naUfQCfclXi eD0Msby2OpXOYWBI5VOw/z8= =tTPx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 15:20:41 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 13:20:41 -0200 Subject: CD1 from Bittorrent not bootable... In-Reply-To: <1226.65.32.153.221.1068089184.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1088.65.32.153.221.1068086057.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <1226.65.32.153.221.1068089184.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, "Zate" wrote: >> Did you check the MD5SUM? > Yessir I did. checks out fine Anything else I should check ? I can read > the files on the disk fine.. and it "autoloads" in RH8.0 .. but wont > boot, yes my RHAS 2.1 Disk will. Hmm... Did you try any of the test releses? RHL9, or any of its betas? I think there was an isolinux upgrade in one of the RHL9 betas (I remember because my wife's Toshiba laptop wouldn boot with the older isolinux). Maybe try a newer/older isolinux, and bugzilla whatever you find to have been the point where things broke. Thanks, -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 10:57:09 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 05:57:09 -0500 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server In-Reply-To: <200311061531.hA6FVE4Z023093@genesis.camaross.net> References: <200311061531.hA6FVE4Z023093@genesis.camaross.net> Message-ID: <200311060557.10427.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 10:33 am, Mike Kercher , > wrote: > I finished my download via BT last night at 550k/sec I left BT running and > I have a steady ul speed of 310k/sec right now! ... I must be doing something wrong. This is the best I get: status: finishing in 4:38:38 (58.2%) || speed: 102.3 KB/s down - 26.3 KB/s up || totals: 1.1 GB down - 532.8 MB up || error(s): || I started my download around 23h:00 (EST) last night, and it had stopped because the system went into sleep mode (after the screen-savers had gone into blank mode. At 10h:56, it's almost 12 hours later, and I'm just past the 50% mark ... Elton :-( -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com Thu Nov 6 15:58:44 2003 From: JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com (Jeff Schoby) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:58:44 -0600 Subject: Fwd: Re: network install broken? Message-ID: ------------------------------------------ Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin City of Columbia, Missouri jas at ci.columbia.mo.us 573.874.6320 >>> douglas.furlong at firebox.com 11/6/2003 9:38:30 AM >>> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 15:15, Zate wrote: > > > > I did an NFS install last night without problems using CD1 to boot with. > > And I've just burnt my second non-bootable Disc 1. Any ideas why it > might not boot? It boots just fine from Advanced Server 2.1 Disc 1. I > burnt the second one at a slower speed (14x) and am using cdrw. > Just a quick thought, which probably won't help. Have you tried to mount the .iso file via the loopback device, to make sure that it is readable? Yes, I have the bittorrent iso's mounted on my web server to do the http install from.... reads them just fine I used the boot iso from the images directory from redhat's fedora ftp site. it exhibits the behavior I described in my first email. If I burn the bittorrent iso disc1 to a cd and burn it (which seems to negate the point of using the 4mb boot iso) OR use the 4mb boot.iso from the images directory the cd boots, the kernel starts and then panics when it can't mount a filesystem to read the install/startup scripts from the cd. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 11:05:24 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:05:24 -0500 Subject: network install broken? In-Reply-To: <58409.155.201.35.50.1068131708.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <64722.69.68.37.57.1068128402.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <58409.155.201.35.50.1068131708.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <200311060605.24846.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 10:15 am, Zate , > wrote: > > I did an NFS install last night without problems using CD1 to boot with. > > And I've just burnt my second non-bootable Disc 1. Any ideas why it > might not boot? It boots just fine from Advanced Server 2.1 Disc 1. I > burnt the second one at a slower speed (14x) and am using cdrw. Did you verify the md5sums *before* burning the ISO's? Exactly what application did you use to burn the CD's? (X-CD-Roast, Gnome Toaster, KonCD, K3B?) If it was Neo Burning ROM was it a full version or a "lite" version of this Windows program? HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 11:06:53 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:06:53 -0500 Subject: DVD ISOs? In-Reply-To: <3FAA6D93.1010805@atl.lmco.com> References: <3FAA6D93.1010805@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <200311060606.53868.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 10:49 am, Douglas Stewart , > wrote: > Also, I recall some scripts being posted on how to cobble together such > an iso from the 3 existing CD ISOs. It was quite recently discussed and should be in the archives at: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list HTH & cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From kjb at dds.nl Thu Nov 6 16:14:29 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: 06 Nov 2003 17:14:29 +0100 Subject: driverloader In-Reply-To: <24189261.1068132113676.JavaMail.recht@vildere> References: <24189261.1068132113676.JavaMail.recht@vildere> Message-ID: <1068135269.2543.53.camel@topicus6> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 16:21, hj862403 wrote: > Hey > > I am using driverloader from linux, to get my centrino wireless working. I had it running under fedora test 3, but now with fedora core 1, It can't compile the module, I get this error: > > GCC32 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -o dldrpci.o dldrpci.c > In file included from dldrpci.c:21: > ../modules/GPL/kcompat.h:133: redefinition of `free_netdev' > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/build/include/linux/netdevice.h:877: `free_netdev' previously defined here > dldrpci.c: In function `dldrpci_probe': > dldrpci.c:140: warning: unused variable `p' > make: *** [dldrpci.o] Error 1 > > anyone know how to fix this? Getting Intel to release the Centrino wireless driver under the GPL would definately help... maybe if enough people asked instead of messing with win32 driver loaders... Klaasjan From mike at CamaroSS.net Thu Nov 6 16:17:38 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:17:38 -0600 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server In-Reply-To: <200311060557.10427.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200311061614.hA6GEx4Z026074@genesis.camaross.net> Do you have tcp 6881-6999 open in your firewall? > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Elton Woo > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:57 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server > > On November 6, 2003 10:33 am, Mike Kercher , > wrote: > > I finished my download via BT last night at 550k/sec I left BT > > running and I have a steady ul speed of 310k/sec right now! > > ... I must be doing something wrong. This is the best I get: > > status: finishing in 4:38:38 (58.2%) > > || speed: 102.3 KB/s down - 26.3 KB/s up > > || totals: 1.1 GB down - 532.8 MB up > > || error(s): > > || > > I started my download around 23h:00 (EST) last night, and it > had stopped because the system went into sleep mode (after > the screen-savers had gone into blank mode. At 10h:56, it's almost > 12 hours later, and I'm just past the 50% mark ... > > Elton :-( > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 16:20:53 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:20:53 -0500 Subject: Rawhide, fedora updates, fedora testing etc In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E1@piramida.hermes.si>; from david.balazic@hermes.si on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 03:31:31PM +0100 References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E1@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031106112053.B28603@devserv.devel.redhat.com> David Balazic (david.balazic at hermes.si) said: > What is the difference/relation between rawhide and > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ ? rawhide is moving to the download.fedora location. > ( and /fedora/linux/core/test , /fedora/linux/core/updates ? ) core/test is test releases (such as Severn.) core/updates is updates to the releases (such as updates for Yarrow). Bill From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 16:27:20 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:27:20 -0800 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server References: <200311061531.hA6FVE4Z023093@genesis.camaross.net> <200311060557.10427.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <000f01c3a482$e0326a50$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> The downloading speed is slow in all website. I have a normal speed 4.5 and right now the transfer rate is 55 for disk number 2. I prefer to buy the ISO from a third party as Spidertools ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elton Woo" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: Re: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server > On November 6, 2003 10:33 am, Mike Kercher , > wrote: > > I finished my download via BT last night at 550k/sec I left BT running and > > I have a steady ul speed of 310k/sec right now! > > ... I must be doing something wrong. This is the best I get: > > status: finishing in 4:38:38 (58.2%) > || speed: 102.3 KB/s down - 26.3 KB/s up > || totals: 1.1 GB down - 532.8 MB up > || error(s): > || > > I started my download around 23h:00 (EST) last night, and it > had stopped because the system went into sleep mode (after the > screen-savers had gone into blank mode. At 10h:56, it's almost > 12 hours later, and I'm just past the 50% mark ... > > Elton :-( > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-listredhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 16:32:57 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 14:32:57 -0200 Subject: Changes to named In-Reply-To: <1068123091.5215.35.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> References: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> <1068123091.5215.35.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, Douglas Furlong wrote: > I am guessing that this will probably prevent bind from starting. Nope. Slaves will just fail to download zones because they can't write to the directory that is configured in named.conf to hold the local copy of the slave zone files. This won't affect the master in any way. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From david.balazic at hermes.si Thu Nov 6 16:44:30 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:44:30 +0100 Subject: Rawhide, fedora updates, fedora testing etc Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E3@piramida.hermes.si> > ---------- > From: Bill Nottingham[SMTP:notting at redhat.com] > > David Balazic (david.balazic at hermes.si) said: > > What is the difference/relation between rawhide and > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ ? > > rawhide is moving to the download.fedora location. > Yes, but that does not answer my question. Will rawhide and fedora/.../development continue to both exist ? What will be/is the diffwerence between them ? > > ( and /fedora/linux/core/test , /fedora/linux/core/updates ? ) > > core/test is test releases (such as Severn.) > > core/updates is updates to the releases (such as updates for Yarrow). > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From matt at math.mit.edu Thu Nov 6 16:31:33 2003 From: matt at math.mit.edu (Matthew Walburn) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: Fedora Installation Conflict with sym53c8xx SCSI Driver (Modified by Matthew Walburn) Message-ID: <17948060-1077-11D8-85B4-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, I'm trying to install Fedora Core 1.0 on an older VA Linux 501 server. It uses a SCSI controller built on the NCR/LSI 53c810 chip. My problem is that I am unable to load the SCSI driver successfully. I get stuck in an endless loop of the following messages: SCSI host 0 abort (pid0) timed out ? resetting SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0. ncr53c8xx_reset: pid=0 reset_flags=2 serial_number=XX serial_number_at_timeout=XX Where XX begins with 0 and get incremented. The part that is sort of frustrating is that this driver worked fine under Redhat 8, but was then broken under 9, which as kept me on 8 since. I had been hoping it would be fixed again under Fedora 1.0 so that I could finally upgrade. The only messages I've been able to find on the web that point to possible solutions are: 1) boot with parameters ?sym53c8xx=safe:y? or ?sym53c8xx=mpar:n? This did nothing. 2) somehow get the kernel to load the ncr53c8xx driver instead... apparently it's more stable. Is there a way for me to force a particular driver at the linux install boot: prompt? Does anyone have any other ideas? Thanks so much! - - -Matthew - - -- Matthew Walburn, RHCE, CCNA Network Assistant - x. 3-4995 MIT Department of Mathematics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/qngZIPnrMuqoJoERAtScAKCg1RzWabkzlmRSASccx7RHqDRKSACgqMtT SJYd/Ox4LGEmoRb4FiyiJDw= =NLRu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 16:35:02 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 14:35:02 -0200 Subject: Changes to named In-Reply-To: <200311060838.36226.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311051622.42658.nbecker@hns.com> <200311060739.31699.nbecker@hns.com> <1068123091.5215.35.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> <200311060838.36226.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2003, "Neal D. Becker" wrote: > What is the upgrade procedure for RH9 to fedora on a system which is named > master? Slave? Will upgrade fix everything automatically? (This is an > important question) upgrade certainly won't touch your named.conf. I don't think it will install bind-chroot, so at least that's not a concern. Permissions of /var/named will probably change, so you have to take action as explained in the release notes and adjust named.conf to use a different dir for slave zone files. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 16:35:41 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: network install broken? In-Reply-To: <1068133109.5215.46.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> Message-ID: <20031106163541.80267.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> --- Douglas Furlong wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 15:15, Zate wrote: > > > > > > I did an NFS install last night without problems > using CD1 to boot with. > > > > And I've just burnt my second non-bootable Disc > 1. Any ideas why it > > might not boot? It boots just fine from Advanced > Server 2.1 Disc 1. I > > burnt the second one at a slower speed (14x) and > am using cdrw. > Zate, Just a thought - you said you are using CDRW, are you sure your machine can normally boot from an RW? Some drives are very picky about RWs. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From mike.lurk at sympatico.ca Thu Nov 6 17:01:39 2003 From: mike.lurk at sympatico.ca (Mike Lurk) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:01:39 -0500 Subject: CD audio Message-ID: <1068138099.2943.10.camel@Darkstar> There is something I just found out, it my be just me, CD audio does not work on my Fedora. I see the CD and all but there is no sound at all. The only way the audio CD's play at all is with Xine. CD audio player does not work. Same with Xmms. Am I missing something. Sound is working every where else. The CD does not mount, which is normal, I get the track info but no sound when playing. I have tried a few CD's and same thing. MP3's work, OGG Vorbis works. I must be missing something, but if I was it wouldn't work in Xine. I can still rip the CD's using Grip or Sound Juicer. Any help would be appreciated. Mike From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Thu Nov 6 17:00:45 2003 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:00:45 +0100 Subject: Fedora Installation Conflict with sym53c8xx SCSI Driver (Modified by Matthew Walburn) In-Reply-To: <17948060-1077-11D8-85B4-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> References: <17948060-1077-11D8-85B4-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1068138045.29519.9.camel@sirendipity> Am Do, den 06.11.2003 schrieb Matthew Walburn um 17:31: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greetings, > > I'm trying to install Fedora Core 1.0 on an older VA Linux 501 server. > It uses a SCSI controller built on the NCR/LSI 53c810 chip. > My problem is that I am unable to load the SCSI driver successfully. I > get stuck in an endless loop of the following messages: > > SCSI host 0 abort (pid0) timed out ? resetting > SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0. > ncr53c8xx_reset: pid=0 reset_flags=2 serial_number=XX > serial_number_at_timeout=XX > > Where XX begins with 0 and get incremented. > > The part that is sort of frustrating is that this driver worked fine > under Redhat 8, but was then broken under 9, which as kept me on 8 > since. I had been hoping it would be fixed again under Fedora 1.0 so > that I could finally upgrade. > > The only messages I've been able to find on the web that point to > possible solutions are: > > 1) boot with parameters ?sym53c8xx=safe:y? or ?sym53c8xx=mpar:n? > > This did nothing. > > 2) somehow get the kernel to load the ncr53c8xx driver instead... > apparently it's more stable. > > Is there a way for me to force a particular driver at the linux > install boot: prompt? > > Does anyone have any other ideas? > > Thanks so much! > > - - -Matthew As already answered on the fedora-list at redhat.com: Start the installation process with "linux noprobe". This will enable you to select the ncr53c8xx scsi module. I know the problem and that worked for me. All other not, like giving the safe parameter. 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I've installed yum from Fedora 1, > > but still get errors. > > See Yum Repository Notes, http://www.charlescurley.com/yum.html > Thanks. -- Hoyt From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Nov 6 17:17:58 2003 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: 06 Nov 2003 09:17:58 -0800 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question In-Reply-To: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1068139078.2678.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 15:33, Mike Chambers wrote: > Is it normal for the download to be lower than the upload even if only > for a few minutes until the download speed takes off? Yes, it's slow in the beginning, but then it takes off and hits the ceiling. :-) -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Nov 6 12:27:04 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:27:04 +0000 Subject: Updated Fedora Core test release: Severn In-Reply-To: <20031013142502.A18694@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031013142502.A18694@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311061227.04721.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Monday 13 October 2003 06:25 pm, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Yes, it's another update of the Fedora Core test release, SEVERN. So if I want to be such a rebel, I can update yarrow from test3? 8) -- Hoyt From bfd at pcisys.net Thu Nov 6 17:36:32 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:36:32 -0700 Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file Message-ID: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in running md5sum against them get d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. According to the MD5SUM file it should be 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 The other two images agree with the MD5SUM file. Could someone check this? BFD From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 12:23:08 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:23:08 -0500 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server In-Reply-To: <200311061614.hA6GEx4Z026074@genesis.camaross.net> References: <200311061614.hA6GEx4Z026074@genesis.camaross.net> Message-ID: <200311060723.08823.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 11:17 am, Mike Kercher , > wrote: > Do you have tcp 6881-6999 open in your firewall? Would you kindly provide me some newbie-friendly instructions on how to do so? I have the default firewall setup in FC, but "redhat-config-securitylevel" doesn't give me any advanced options such as this... TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Thu Nov 6 17:06:35 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:06:35 +0200 Subject: tuxracer missing from fc1 In-Reply-To: <64120.193.110.58.52.1068114599.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> References: <64120.193.110.58.52.1068114599.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> Message-ID: <200311061906.35167.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> M?ller Mikl?s kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Torstai 6. Marraskuuta 2003 12:29): > Tuxracer is missing from the release cd of Fedora Core 1. > It should be in disc2/Fedora/RPMS, but it is not. It's on my disc2, and was installed normally. Your disc is broken or you didn't look carefully enough. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 15:45:24 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:45:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rawhide, fedora updates, fedora testing etc In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E1@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, David Balazic wrote: > What is the difference/relation between rawhide and > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ ? That URL will be the 'new rawhide'. > ( and /fedora/linux/core/test That will be where test releases such as Severn will be found. > /fedora/linux/core/updates E.g. security updates for FC1 -- Elliot From barryn at pobox.com Thu Nov 6 17:43:51 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:43:51 -0800 Subject: Final FC1 desktop background looks *nice*; Thanks! (was Re: default desktop background looks hideous IMO) In-Reply-To: <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031106174351.GA7798@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 04:44:35PM -0500, Garrett LeSage wrote: > You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. It looks like the final Fedora Core 1 release shipped with a different -- and much MUCH nicer, in my opinion -- background. Thanks a million! -Barry K. Nathan From saphipps at mchsi.com Thu Nov 6 17:43:28 2003 From: saphipps at mchsi.com (Scott A Phipps) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:43:28 -0600 Subject: Mozilla crashing Message-ID: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have upgraded from redhat 9 to Fedora Core 1, and am now experiencing crashes with mozilla. Every time I go to www.megatokyo.com it crashes with no errors to the console. It also does this if I run a search on google that bring up any results in japanese. From tdiehl at rogueind.com Thu Nov 6 18:02:49 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:02:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, BFD wrote: > I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in running > md5sum against them get > > d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 > > for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. > > According to the MD5SUM file it should be > > 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 Use rsync and fix it. I get the above md5sum on my disc 3 HTH, ......Tom From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 18:07:31 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:07:31 -0800 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <000c01c3a490$deca4670$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> Please unsubscribe my e-mail from the fedora mailing list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Thu Nov 6 18:15:02 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:15:02 -0600 Subject: [FEDORA] Re: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <1068142502.30354.15.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> I've seen problems too on disc3 and SRPM's disc3 as well. I tried downloading a couple times from the same mirror, same problem. I'm now grabbing disc3 from another mirror. Someone (RH?) should verify the MD5SUMS file is correct. Dan On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:02, Tom Diehl wrote: > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, BFD wrote: > > > I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in running > > md5sum against them get > > > > d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 > > > > for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. > > > > According to the MD5SUM file it should be > > > > 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 > > Use rsync and fix it. I get the above md5sum on my disc 3 > > HTH, > > ......Tom > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 13:11:33 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:11:33 -0500 Subject: Mozilla crashing In-Reply-To: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 12:43 pm, Scott A Phipps , > wrote: > I have upgraded from redhat 9 to Fedora Core 1, and am now experiencing > crashes with mozilla. Every time I go to www.megatokyo.com it crashes > with no errors to the console. It also does this if I run a search on > google that bring up any results in japanese. > No such problem here (Fedora Core 1): versions: mozilla-mail-1.4.1-15 mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-15 mozilla-1.4.1-15 mozilla-nss-1.4.1-15 mozilla-chat-1.4.1-15 I've loaded the site in mozilla, and it shows in English and Japanese. I do not read, write or understand that language, but as a test, I did an advanced search in google for 'tokyo' with the preferences set to return results in Japanese. It found various links in Japanese, but the browser did not crash. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 6 18:16:18 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:16:18 -0800 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server In-Reply-To: <200311060723.08823.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Are you behind an external firewall? For example, I have a Cisco router running IOS and the Cisco firewall... I have to reconfigure my router to open those ports regardless of any firewall settings on my PC. So for "newbie friendly instructions", we'd need to know your network topology.... i.e. PC<-->router<-->Internet then of course what type of router? Cisco running IOS? Linksys? Netgear? .... Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Elton Woo > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:23 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server > > > On November 6, 2003 11:17 am, Mike Kercher , > wrote: > > Do you have tcp 6881-6999 open in your firewall? > Would you kindly provide me some newbie-friendly instructions > on how to do so? I have the default firewall setup in FC, but > "redhat-config-securitylevel" doesn't give me any advanced > options such as this... > > TIA, > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From anthony_placilla at suth.com Thu Nov 6 18:13:17 2003 From: anthony_placilla at suth.com (Anthony J Placilla) Date: 06 Nov 2003 13:13:17 -0500 Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <1068142397.14491.78.camel@ajplacilla.suth.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:36, BFD wrote: > I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in running > md5sum against them get > > d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 > > for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. > > According to the MD5SUM file it should be > > 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 > > The other two images agree with the MD5SUM file. > > Could someone check this? > > BFD > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list My good, working CD #3 is 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 You've got a bad D/L -- Tony Placilla anthony_placilla at suth.com perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10);' From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Nov 6 18:21:30 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:21:30 +0100 Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <3FAA912A.1000002@gmx.de> BFD wrote: > I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in > running md5sum against them get > > d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 > for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. > > According to the MD5SUM file it should be > > 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 > The other two images agree with the MD5SUM file. > > Could someone check this? > # du *; cat md5sum 4 MD5SUM 4 md5sum 644232 yarrow-i386-disc1.iso 652516 yarrow-i386-disc2.iso 630956 yarrow-i386-disc3.iso 76ef22495d186580e47efd8d7a65fe6b yarrow-i386-disc1.iso fd23fe32fafe7557f5d1fa1d31100580 yarrow-i386-disc2.iso 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 yarrow-i386-disc3.iso -- shrek-m From linux at zygar.com Thu Nov 6 18:26:51 2003 From: linux at zygar.com (Ryan Zygar) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:26:51 -0800 Subject: Mozilla crashing In-Reply-To: <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068143211.4141.20.camel@AbbaZabba> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 05:11, Elton Woo wrote: > On November 6, 2003 12:43 pm, Scott A Phipps , > wrote: > > I have upgraded from redhat 9 to Fedora Core 1, and am now experiencing > > crashes with mozilla. Every time I go to www.megatokyo.com it crashes > > with no errors to the console. It also does this if I run a search on > > google that bring up any results in japanese. > > > No such problem here (Fedora Core 1): Also no such problem here is use galeon.sf.net and this release of Mozilla... Not a fedora native package aftermarket from Mozilla. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/yum/SeaMonkey/releases/current/redhat/ From saphipps at mchsi.com Thu Nov 6 18:27:21 2003 From: saphipps at mchsi.com (Scott A Phipps) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:27:21 -0600 Subject: Mozilla crashing In-Reply-To: <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068143241.18450.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> > It found various links in Japanese, but the browser did not crash. > > HTH, > > Elton ;-) > Here is the error I'm getting from strace. open("/usr/share/fonts/ja/TrueType/kochi-mincho.ttf", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 13:33:54 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:33:54 -0500 Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <200311060833.54026.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 12:36 pm, BFD , > wrote: > I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in running > md5sum against them get > > d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 > > for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. > > According to the MD5SUM file it should be > > 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 If it fails the md5sum check, then don't waste your time burning the CD, try another download or mirror instead. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 13:38:15 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:38:15 -0500 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000c01c3a490$deca4670$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> References: <000c01c3a490$deca4670$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> Message-ID: <200311060838.15113.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 01:07 pm, Marcos , > wrote: > Please unsubscribe my e-mail from the fedora mailing list ... at the bottom of EVERY message in this list: ----> -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com <*BEEP*> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list <* BEEP*> <* BEEP*><* BEEP*><* BEEP*> ( ... sorry, can't do it in flashing neon green....) <*chuckle*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mspencer at evidentdata.com Thu Nov 6 18:44:19 2003 From: mspencer at evidentdata.com (Mark G. Spencer) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:44:19 -0800 Subject: Floppy boot install of Fedora for CD install via USB Sony DVD DRX-500ULX? Message-ID: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> I'm about to try and install Fedora on an older laptop that only has a floppy drive and USB. I have a USB DVD drive that I would like to use to install the Fedora CD's. Does anyone know if this is possible? I'm going to try the standard bootdisk.img on Fedora Core 1 CD1 and hope that it allows the DVD drive via USB to be used for installation. ;) Thanks, Mark From antti at victoria.fi Thu Nov 6 18:53:13 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:53:13 +0200 Subject: mp3 support Message-ID: <1068144793.2192.6.camel@onyx> What package do I need to listen mp3s with rhythmbox? -- Antti From zate at superfreeway.com Thu Nov 6 19:00:31 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:00:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card In-Reply-To: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> References: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Message-ID: <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> I have searched the archives and cant seem to find anything pertaining to this card. Anyone had luck getting it to work ? When i use cardctl ident it tells me its a Realtek 8139 ?? Any clues on how to get this working ? I am using a IBM T30. Zate -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 19:03:32 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:03:32 -0500 Subject: Rawhide, fedora updates, fedora testing etc In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E3@piramida.hermes.si>; from david.balazic@hermes.si on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:44:30PM +0100 References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E3@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031106140332.D28226@devserv.devel.redhat.com> David Balazic (david.balazic at hermes.si) said: > > rawhide is moving to the download.fedora location. > > > Yes, but that does not answer my question. > Will rawhide and fedora/.../development continue to both exist ? No, the old rawhide dir will go away next week. Bill From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 6 19:04:17 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:04:17 -0800 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java Message-ID: Using Mozilla, when I go to a web page ( http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/EOS1DS/ ) that requires Flash, I can simply click the link that takes me to the plugin place and I get it, it installs and I can use it... works great... When I go to a page that needs Java, I get a little puzzle piece displayed and when I click on that I get a message like "you need something you don't have". I understand the JRE is not "open" so is not included with Fedora, but shouldn't "get the plugin" work properly? I was really expecting this to be resolved with FC1, but it's still broken. Or is this a "WONTFIX" issue? Don Russell \|/ (. .) ___ooO-(_)-Ooo___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Spencer To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Floppy boot install of Fedora for CD install via USB Sony DVD DRX-500ULX? I'm about to try and install Fedora on an older laptop that only has a floppy drive and USB. I have a USB DVD drive that I would like to use to install the Fedora CD's. Does anyone know if this is possible? I'm going to try the standard bootdisk.img on Fedora Core 1 CD1 and hope that it allows the DVD drive via USB to be used for installation. ;) Thanks, Mark -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saphipps at mchsi.com Thu Nov 6 19:15:58 2003 From: saphipps at mchsi.com (Scott A Phipps) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:15:58 -0600 Subject: Mozilla crashing In-Reply-To: <1068145305.15188.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068143241.18450.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068145305.15188.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1068146158.18450.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 13:01, David Eduardo G?mez Noguera wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:27, Scott A Phipps wrote: > > > It found various links in Japanese, but the browser did not crash. > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > Elton ;-) > > > > > > > Here is the error I'm getting from strace. > > > > open("/usr/share/fonts/ja/TrueType/kochi-mincho.ttf", O_RDONLY) = -1 > > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > > > That should not have crashed mozilla > but try installing/checking that the japanese fonts are all right > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I copied that font from a redhat 9 install over to my Fedora Core box and all is well now, everything loads fine. From matt at math.mit.edu Thu Nov 6 19:18:33 2003 From: matt at math.mit.edu (Matthew Walburn) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:18:33 -0500 Subject: Fedora Installation Conflict with sym53c8xx SCSI Driver In-Reply-To: <1068138045.29519.9.camel@sirendipity> References: <17948060-1077-11D8-85B4-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> <1068138045.29519.9.camel@sirendipity> Message-ID: <035EB3BC-108E-11D8-85B4-000A956A5EC4@math.mit.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Start the installation process with "linux noprobe". This will enable > you to select the ncr53c8xx scsi module. I know the problem and that > worked for me. All other not, like giving the safe parameter. Alexander, this worked perfectly. Thanks so much! - -Matthew - -- Matthew Walburn, RHCE, CCNA Network Assistant - x. 3-4995 MIT Department of Mathematics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/qp6OIPnrMuqoJoERApdIAJ9K3l43D1FUSARGvx/bUNAFRccQVQCfUJiu q9GEor8sgpiN6s+VE9yYpvg= =peeI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christian.huegel at redhatforum.net Thu Nov 6 19:26:27 2003 From: christian.huegel at redhatforum.net (christian.huegel) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:26:27 +0100 Subject: Anaconda Error/Bug and other minor errors on FC1 Message-ID: <200311061926.hA6JQRDR010826@webmailer.hosteurope.de> Hello everybody, i\\\'ve just downloaded FC1 today and expirienced some errors when installing. 1. I\\\'ve made an media check on all 3 CDs result:PASS 2. After the 3rd CD anaconda quits with following error: /usr/bin/python2.2:relocation error:/libm.so.6: symbol_cxafinalize, version GLIBC_2.1.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference. install exited abonrmally What is this? Does enyone got this error to? Greetz Christian From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Thu Nov 6 19:32:47 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:32:47 +0200 Subject: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1068144793.2192.6.camel@onyx> References: <1068144793.2192.6.camel@onyx> Message-ID: <1068147167.14015.5.camel@albert> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:53, Antti wrote: > What package do I need to listen mp3s with rhythmbox? Listen very carefully. I shall say this only once!! Its actually a bit of an issue really. Rhythmbox is aplayer written on the Gstreamer Multimedia Framework. See http://www.gstreamer.net . It gets all its codecs from this framework. To play mp3s in gstreamer, you need to tell gstreamer how to do it by installing an appropriate codec and an appropriate plugin. I do not know if the fedora rpms were compiled with mp3 support or not. If they were not, then you have to update gstreamer, install it over again. You could try going to the gstreamer website and following the intructions, but installing gstreamer is a bit harder than the usual ./configure; make; make install. You would also need to make sure a whole lot of packages are installed for gstreamer to be able to use them. For mp3 playback it uses mad. I have also seen lame hanging around there, so it might use lame as well. You have to compile it right because a lot depends on it, like playing movies too. I wold say its better to wit until someone gets updated packages. I am sure freshrpms will have them soon. From bfd at pcisys.net Thu Nov 6 19:29:04 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:29:04 -0700 Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: <3FAA9BC9.90702@mukappabeta.de> References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> <3FAA9BC9.90702@mukappabeta.de> Message-ID: <3FAAA100.5080905@pcisys.net> Matthias Buelow wrote: > BFD wrote: > >> I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in >> running md5sum against them get >> >> d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 >> for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. >> >> According to the MD5SUM file it should be >> >> 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 >> The other two images agree with the MD5SUM file. > > > you didn't perchance ftp them in ascii mode? :) No, in binary. And note that the other two .iso images are fine. From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Nov 6 19:33:53 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:33:53 -0500 Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card In-Reply-To: <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <1068147233.3107.68.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 14:00, Zate wrote: > I have searched the archives and cant seem to find anything pertaining to > this card. Anyone had luck getting it to work ? > > When i use cardctl ident it tells me its a Realtek 8139 ?? Any clues on > how to get this working ? I am using a IBM T30. You won't get that card working with standard Fedora Core, as there is currently not an open source driver. I understand there may be binary drivers available from Realtek, but I don't know how well or if they work. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From adwint at pandora.be Thu Nov 6 19:38:10 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:38:10 +0100 Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: <3FAAA100.5080905@pcisys.net> References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> <3FAA9BC9.90702@mukappabeta.de> <3FAAA100.5080905@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <1068147490.5929.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> I know it s... but you have no choice, but to download the file again. Albert > No, in binary. And note that the other two .iso images are fine. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From don.maxwell at usa.net Thu Nov 6 19:38:18 2003 From: don.maxwell at usa.net (Don R Maxwell) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:38:18 -0600 Subject: [Re: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file] Message-ID: <306HkFTMs7632S01.1068147498@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> Matthias Buelow wrote: > BFD wrote: > > > I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in running > > md5sum against them get > > > > d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 > > for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. > > > > According to the MD5SUM file it should be > > > > 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 > > The other two images agree with the MD5SUM file. > > you didn't perchance ftp them in ascii mode? :) > How interesting! I did two d/l's but from the same mirror. The MD5SUM for both d/l's (different computers, different locations and different ISPs) were the same as the faulty MD5SUM above. Exactly. Makes me think that the mirror has a fault. (limestone.uoreogon.edu) From mspencer at evidentdata.com Thu Nov 6 19:38:45 2003 From: mspencer at evidentdata.com (Mark G. Spencer) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:38:45 -0800 Subject: Floppy boot install of Fedora for CD install via USB Sony DVD DRX-500ULX? Message-ID: <20031106113845.1670132162.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Answering some of my question .. I tried bootdisk.img off FC1 CD1, and I got the following boot messages with my Sony DVD DRX-500ULX attached via USB: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-1, assigned address 2 usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x54c/0xee) is not claimed by any active driver. crc error<6>Freeing initrd memory: 533k freed VFS: Cannot open root device "" or 48:03 Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 48:03 Does this mean I may be out of luck? I looked for a bootdisk named "usbdrive.img" on FC1 CD1, but don't see anything like it, just the PCMCIA bootdisk which I don't think is applicable to a USB DVD drive? Thanks, Mark >------------Original Message------------ >From: "Mark G. Spencer" >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Date: Thu, Nov-6-2003 10:48 AM >Subject: Floppy boot install of Fedora for CD install via USB Sony DVD DRX-500ULX? > >I'm about to try and install Fedora on an older laptop that only has a floppy drive and USB. I have a USB DVD drive that I would like to use to install the Fedora CD's. >Does anyone know if this is possible? I'm going to try the standard bootdisk.img on Fedora Core 1 CD1 and hope that it allows the DVD drive via USB to be used for >installation. ;) From eric at interplas.com Thu Nov 6 19:41:04 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:41:04 -0500 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question References: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1068139078.2678.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <027101c3a49d$ea5278c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Florin Andrei wrote: > Yes, it's slow in the beginning, but then it takes off and hits the > ceiling. :-) Whoo-hoo! Got my fedora in less that 3 hours with bittorrent. -eric wood From antti at victoria.fi Thu Nov 6 19:42:26 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:42:26 +0200 Subject: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1068147167.14015.5.camel@albert> References: <1068144793.2192.6.camel@onyx> <1068147167.14015.5.camel@albert> Message-ID: <1068147746.2192.9.camel@onyx> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 21:32, Maynard Kuona wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:53, Antti wrote: > > What package do I need to listen mp3s with rhythmbox? > > Listen very carefully. I shall say this only once!! > > Its actually a bit of an issue really. Rhythmbox is aplayer written on > the Gstreamer Multimedia Framework. See http://www.gstreamer.net . It > gets all its codecs from this framework. To play mp3s in gstreamer, you > need to tell gstreamer how to do it by installing an appropriate codec > and an appropriate plugin. I do not know if the fedora rpms were > compiled with mp3 support or not. If they were not, then you have to > update gstreamer, install it over again. You could try going to the > gstreamer website and following the intructions, but installing > gstreamer is a bit harder than the usual ./configure; make; make > install. You would also need to make sure a whole lot of packages are > installed for gstreamer to be able to use them. For mp3 playback it uses > mad. I have also seen lame hanging around there, so it might use lame as > well. You have to compile it right because a lot depends on it, like > playing movies too. I wold say its better to wit until someone gets > updated packages. I am sure freshrpms will have them soon. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list What about Sound Juicer, what do I need to encode to mp3s? It says its not possible with your installation. -- Antti From lists at reforge.fi Thu Nov 6 19:41:51 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:41:51 +0200 Subject: driverloader In-Reply-To: <1068135269.2543.53.camel@topicus6> References: <24189261.1068132113676.JavaMail.recht@vildere> <1068135269.2543.53.camel@topicus6> Message-ID: <1068147711.4583.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > I am using driverloader from linux, to get my centrino wireless working. I had it running under fedora test 3, but now with fedora core 1, It can't compile the module, I get this error: > > > > GCC32 -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -o dldrpci.o dldrpci.c > > In file included from dldrpci.c:21: > > ../modules/GPL/kcompat.h:133: redefinition of `free_netdev' > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2115.nptl/build/include/linux/netdevice.h:877: `free_netdev' previously defined here > > dldrpci.c: In function `dldrpci_probe': > > dldrpci.c:140: warning: unused variable `p' > > make: *** [dldrpci.o] Error 1 You might want to contact Linuxant support for pointers. I'm using their software under FC1 which was upgraded from FCT3 via yum, and I'm experiencing zero problems. FWIW, it was compiled under FCT3, though. > Getting Intel to release the Centrino wireless driver under the GPL > would definately help... maybe if enough people asked instead of messing > with win32 driver loaders... Linux community has literally roared in Intel's and Broadcom's general direction for months that they should develop a driver or help OSS developers to develop it. To date, they haven't really done anything to help driver development. So obviously, Linuxant created the wrapper to answer the call. And it's working well, my Dell TrueMobile 1300 is functioning just fine. Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From mr700 at globalnet.bg Thu Nov 6 19:47:55 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:47:55 +0200 Subject: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file In-Reply-To: <200311060833.54026.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3FAA86A0.9020507@pcisys.net> <200311060833.54026.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200311062147.55187@-mr700> On Thursday 06 November 2003 15:33, Elton Woo wrote: > On November 6, 2003 12:36 pm, BFD , > wrote: > > I've downloaded (by ftp) the three .iso images for Fedora and in running > > md5sum against them get > > > > d04a018ab18d192e97417d52bd8b9829 > > > > for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso. > > > > According to the MD5SUM file it should be > > > > 6a26b34069639d0c31465d4079a8e1b2 > > If it fails the md5sum check, then don't waste your time burning the > CD, try another download or mirror instead. > > HTH, > > Elton ;-) try using rsync as recommended by Tom Diehl, it can just fix the parts of the ISO that were downloaded bad. This will work except if the ISO was downloaded in ASCII mode/the size will difer/, in all other cases rsync saves tons of traffic to you and to RedHat/the mirror. -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From adwint at pandora.be Thu Nov 6 19:57:57 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:57:57 +0100 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question In-Reply-To: <027101c3a49d$ea5278c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <1068075236.8745.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1068139078.2678.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> <027101c3a49d$ea5278c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1068148677.6132.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Whoo-hoo! Got my fedora in less that 3 hours with bittorrent. I honoustly don't see the point about this "BitTorrent" thing. I understand it's a P2P, right. I always 'flush' iso's from a nearby mirror in about 22 minutes per disk (480 -500 KB/sec) Is this unusual? Albert From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Nov 6 19:57:57 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:57:57 +0100 Subject: Floppy boot install of Fedora for CD install via USB Sony DVD DRX-500ULX? In-Reply-To: <20031106113845.1670132162.mspencer@evidentdata.com> References: <20031106113845.1670132162.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Message-ID: <3FAAA7C5.5020103@gmx.de> Mark G. Spencer wrote: >Answering some of my question .. I tried bootdisk.img off FC1 CD1, and I got the following boot messages with my Sony DVD DRX-500ULX attached via USB: > >hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-1, assigned address 2 >usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x54c/0xee) is not claimed by any active driver. >crc error<6>Freeing initrd memory: 533k freed >VFS: Cannot open root device "" or 48:03 >Please append a correct "root=" boot option >Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 48:03 > >Does this mean I may be out of luck? I looked for a bootdisk named "usbdrive.img" on FC1 CD1, but don't see anything like it, just the PCMCIA bootdisk which I don't think is applicable to a USB DVD drive? > > perhaps something like "linux expert" -- shrek-m From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 6 20:01:54 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:01:54 -0800 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question In-Reply-To: <1068148677.6132.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: What sort of a connection to the 'net do you have? Sounds like a lot faster than mine.... I was getting the ISOs last night at a rate of about 250KB/sec on my residential broadband connection. > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Albert DE WINT > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:58 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: bittorrent download/upload question > > > > Whoo-hoo! Got my fedora in less that 3 hours with bittorrent. > > I honoustly don't see the point about this "BitTorrent" thing. > I understand it's a P2P, right. I always 'flush' iso's from a nearby > mirror in about 22 minutes per disk (480 -500 KB/sec) Is this unusual? > > Albert > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From adwint at pandora.be Thu Nov 6 20:06:38 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:06:38 +0100 Subject: kudzu still behaving weird in FC1, (like when I installed RH9) Message-ID: <1068149198.6132.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi list, When I installed RH9 six months ago, kudzu gave me a hard time. It still does. When I try to install either FC-rc-3 or Fedora Core 1, kudzu still behaves weird. Kudzu takes more than 3 minutes to recognize my keyboard (DELL RT7D20) I do a HD install, so I boot from a floppy. I arrive at the first screen: 'Welcome to Fedora Core'. I want to select the installer's language; but the system locks-up when I touch the keyboard. Though there is a simple way to get along. If only I do NOT touch the keyboard for about 3 minutes. So, I have a coffee. Then I hit 'enter' a couple of minutes later. Then kudzu 'wakes up' and resumes. At the next screen, I enter the partition where I saved the ISO files. I scroll to: /dev/hda6 and select it on the entry field where I'm supposed to enter the dir where I keep the ISO's I enter: /yarrow I hit "OK". Then I get the following error message: Select partition: Error: Failed to read directory: /tmp/hdimage/yarrow: No such file or directory Device /dev/hda3 does not appear to contain RedHat CDROM images. Since by now, I'm aware about kudzu's nasty habits, I do NOT touch the keyboard for a couple of minutes. Then I simply hit 'enter' again. Yes! I finally enter the anaconda installer! I hope this item will not be called 'off-topic' on this list. Have a nice day. Albert From adwint at pandora.be Thu Nov 6 20:09:56 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:09:56 +0100 Subject: bittorrent download/upload question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068149396.6132.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> I got cable: 512 KB/sec, but sometimes it's faster. Op do 06-11-2003, om 21:01 schreef Don: > What sort of a connection to the 'net do you have? Sounds like a lot faster > than mine.... I was getting the ISOs last night at a rate of about 250KB/sec > on my residential broadband connection. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Albert DE WINT > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:58 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: bittorrent download/upload question > > > > > > > Whoo-hoo! Got my fedora in less that 3 hours with bittorrent. > > > > I honoustly don't see the point about this "BitTorrent" thing. > > I understand it's a P2P, right. I always 'flush' iso's from a nearby > > mirror in about 22 minutes per disk (480 -500 KB/sec) Is this unusual? > > > > Albert > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 6 20:12:00 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:12:00 -0800 Subject: ftp install Message-ID: I'm trying to install FC1 on one of my ancient PCs using a text mode install, and installing via ftp... I thought I read that I could put the ISOs in a directory and then point the ftp install to it? Do I have to burn CDs from the ISOs, then copy the CD contents back to the ftp server? The install gets an error saying "Unable to retrieve ftp://10.10.10.253///Fedora/base/netstg2.img" The error message makes sense since the ftp directory only has the three iso file in it.... Thanks, Don Don Russell \|/ (. .) ___ooO-(_)-Ooo___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael_soulier at mitel.com Thu Nov 6 20:22:50 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:22:50 -0500 Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: <1068073429.31964.28.camel@chip.ath.cx> References: <20031105192029.GF1840@e-smith.com> <1068073429.31964.28.camel@chip.ath.cx> Message-ID: <20031106202250.GN1840@e-smith.com> On 06/11/03 Panu Matilainen did say: > Apt-rpm is not at least currently supported in Fedora Core, however > a) you can safely expect various mirrors to provide "apt-rpm enabled" > repositories of it, including www.fedora.us and freshrpms.net. > b) there's work going on to create a generic repository metadata format, > meaning in practise any depsolver supporting that can be used to access > any repository using that format, at which point there aren't > yum/apt-rpm/up2date/red-carpet repositories, they simply become "package > repositories" which you can access with your favorite client. Ok, thanks. Odd. I only looked into Fedora in the first place to use apt-rpm. I'm quite surprised to hear that it's not yet officially supported. As a long-time Debian user, it made me feel very comfortable on an rpm-based distro. Any good comparisons of the two? Can I install based on pathname, libname in yum? Is the search facility as good as "apt-cache"? Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From michael_soulier at mitel.com Thu Nov 6 20:24:55 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:24:55 -0500 Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031106202455.GO1840@e-smith.com> On 06/11/03 Panu Matilainen did say: > Oh and that's just Fedora Core, fedora.us extra packages haven't yet been > rebuilt for FC1. Ah. The extras are the main reason I got into using the Fedora repositories. I can't stand tracking down rpm dependencies by hand. I really hope the repositories one day grow to rival the size and reliablity of the Debian repositories. It's great to only have to look in one place for all of your needs. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 15:25:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:25:22 -0500 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311061025.22832.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 02:04 pm, Don , > wrote: > I understand the JRE is not "open" so is not included with Fedora, but > shouldn't "get the plugin" work properly? You have to install the plugin according to the installation instructions for java, which are _provided for you_ when you go to download it. cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From michael_soulier at mitel.com Thu Nov 6 20:29:05 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:29:05 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> On 05/11/03 Will Backman did say: > Actually, the mirrors should be given a chance. Too often people on the > "inside" swamp the main sites before the mirrors have a chance to sync. > Use torrent, which was designed to help this situation. Where is the mirror list? http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ sheds no light on this. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 6 20:31:46 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:31:46 -0800 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: <200311061025.22832.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: What I'm getting at is, why isn't that automated? When I go to the shock download page, I click on the "shock installer" and it gets installed.. and it works, I don't have to do anything else. When I get the JRE from SUN I have to download it, find the "instructions", read the instructions, understand the instructions, set up a symlink in some obscure directory etc... I mean I guess it's fun... but I don't understand why it's such a manual process. Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Elton Woo > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:25 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Mozilla/Flash/Java > > > On November 6, 2003 02:04 pm, Don , > wrote: > > I understand the JRE is not "open" so is not included with Fedora, but > > shouldn't "get the plugin" work properly? > > You have to install the plugin according to the installation instructions > for java, which are _provided for you_ when you go to download it. > > cheers, > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nosp at xades.com Thu Nov 6 20:32:48 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:32:48 +0000 Subject: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1068144793.2192.6.camel@onyx> References: <1068144793.2192.6.camel@onyx> Message-ID: <1068150768.12759.10.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:53, Antti wrote: > What package do I need to listen mp3s with rhythmbox? MP3 support isn't distributed because of license concerns. Please try to use of a free audio format like ogg (http://www.vorbis.com/), which is already available on multiple platforms (including windows) if at all possible. This way we will hasten the adoption of these formats and be able to enjoy music without concerns :). If you must use MP3s for some reason, you can buy a player or have to get the mp3 libraries from places of questionable legality: Step 1) prepare to get questionable libraries: see below for editing your /etc/yum.conf file Step 2) install questionable libraries: run "yum install libmad xmms-mp3" If you just installed Fedora, use yum to get the packages by adding these lines to the end of your /etc/yum.conf: --- add to /etc/yum.conf [livna-stable] name=Livna 3rd party packages with questionable licenses -- use at your own risk baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/0.95/i386/yum/stable --- From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 20:35:41 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:35:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com>; from michael_soulier@mitel.com on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 03:29:05PM -0500 References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <20031106153541.B4752@devserv.devel.redhat.com> ichael P. Soulier (michael_soulier at mitel.com) said: > > Actually, the mirrors should be given a chance. Too often people on the > > "inside" swamp the main sites before the mirrors have a chance to sync. > > Use torrent, which was designed to help this situation. > > Where is the mirror list? > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ sheds no light on this. http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html It should be in the sidebar in the download section. Bill From admin at cs.montana.edu Thu Nov 6 20:35:39 2003 From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:35:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: ftp install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> iso install from directory is only supported on nfs install. you need to extract for ftp or http install. > I'm trying to install FC1 on one of my ancient PCs using a text mode > install, and installing via ftp... > > I thought I read that I could put the ISOs in a directory and then point > the > ftp install to it? > > Do I have to burn CDs from the ISOs, then copy the CD contents back to the > ftp server? > > The install gets an error saying "Unable to retrieve > ftp://10.10.10.253///Fedora/base/netstg2.img" > > The error message makes sense since the ftp directory only has the three > iso > file in it.... > > Thanks, > Don > > Don Russell > > \|/ > (. .) > ___ooO-(_)-Ooo___ > > > > > > From nosp at xades.com Thu Nov 6 20:35:42 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:35:42 +0000 Subject: ftp install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068150942.12759.13.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:12, Don wrote: [...] > I thought I read that I could put the ISOs in a directory and then > point the ftp install to it? > Do I have to burn CDs from the ISOs, then copy the CD contents back to > the ftp server? [...] I've definitely done it this way using NFS (point the NFS installer at a dir with the three isos in it) but haven't done it with ftp. Have you check the MD5 sums of the three isos to verify they are good? From fabian at gacel.cl Thu Nov 6 20:36:47 2003 From: fabian at gacel.cl (Fabian Arias) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:36:47 -0300 (CLST) Subject: ftp install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Don wrote: > I'm trying to install FC1 on one of my ancient PCs using a text mode > install, and installing via ftp... > > I thought I read that I could put the ISOs in a directory and then point the > ftp install to it? > > Do I have to burn CDs from the ISOs, then copy the CD contents back to the > ftp server? > > The install gets an error saying "Unable to retrieve > ftp://10.10.10.253///Fedora/base/netstg2.img" Mount by loop the isos into the ftp server into separate directories named disc1, disc2 and disc3. When the install asks you for the location, answer the ip and the path to those directories. Last night I've installed fedora in my home from the three loopback mounted isos into my work's http server (same as ftp). Done smoothly. -- Fabian Arias fabian at gnome.cl http://www.dewback.cl/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 15:38:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:38:05 -0500 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311061038.05120.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 03:31 pm, Don , > wrote: > I mean I guess it's fun... but I don't understand why it's such a manual > process. ... perhaps linux isn't for you ...? cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 6 20:37:42 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:37:42 -0500 Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: <20031106202250.GN1840@e-smith.com> References: <20031105192029.GF1840@e-smith.com> <1068073429.31964.28.camel@chip.ath.cx> <20031106202250.GN1840@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <1068151062.9761.0.camel@binkley> > Odd. I only looked into Fedora in the first place to use apt-rpm. > I'm quite surprised to hear that it's not yet officially supported. As a > long-time Debian user, it made me feel very comfortable on an rpm-based > distro. > Any good comparisons of the two? Can I install based on pathname, > libname in yum? Is the search facility as good as "apt-cache"? yum search and yum provides -sv From bfd at pcisys.net Thu Nov 6 20:42:05 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:42:05 -0700 Subject: [Re: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file] In-Reply-To: <306HkFTMs7632S01.1068147498@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> References: <306HkFTMs7632S01.1068147498@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <3FAAB21D.6080403@pcisys.net> Don R Maxwell wrote: >How interesting! I did two d/l's but from the same mirror. The MD5SUM for >both d/l's (different computers, different locations and different ISPs) were >the same as the faulty MD5SUM above. Exactly. Makes me think that the mirror >has a fault. (limestone.uoreogon.edu) > That's the mirror from which I got disc 2 and 3, so I've sent a message to the site POC and ask him to look into it. I would suggest not using this site until the problem is resolved. In the meanwhile, I am downloading disk 3 from another site -- the advice on using rsync to repair it came to late. BFD From michael_soulier at mitel.com Thu Nov 6 20:40:31 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:40:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <20031106153541.B4752@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> <20031106153541.B4752@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031106204031.GQ1840@e-smith.com> On 06/11/03 Bill Nottingham did say: > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html > > It should be in the sidebar in the download section. Ah, I'm blind. Thanks. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From jlcthibo at uumail.gov.bc.ca Thu Nov 6 20:42:15 2003 From: jlcthibo at uumail.gov.bc.ca (Christian Thibodeau) Date: 06 Nov 2003 12:42:15 -0800 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <1068151334.24053.3.camel@phoenix.osg.gov.bc.ca> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 12:29, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 05/11/03 Will Backman did say: > > > Actually, the mirrors should be given a chance. 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It's not a bid deal... just looking for convenience... maybe I should try an NFS install... :-) Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of nosp > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:36 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: ftp install > > > On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:12, Don wrote: > [...] > > I thought I read that I could put the ISOs in a directory and then > > point the ftp install to it? > > Do I have to burn CDs from the ISOs, then copy the CD contents back to > > the ftp server? > [...] > > I've definitely done it this way using NFS (point the NFS installer at a > dir with the three isos in it) but haven't done it with ftp. Have you > check the MD5 sums of the three isos to verify they are good? > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Nov 6 15:43:44 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:43:44 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <200311061043.44150.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 6, 2003 03:29 pm, Michael P. Soulier , <"Michael P. Soulier" > wrote: > On 05/11/03 Will Backman did say: > > Actually, the mirrors should be given a chance. Too often people on the > > "inside" swamp the main sites before the mirrors have a chance to sync. > > Use torrent, which was designed to help this situation. > > Where is the mirror list? > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ sheds no light on this. > > Mike If you have been following this list, you ought to have seen the announcement made by Bill Nottingham today. Subject: Announcing Fedora Core 1 [Thu Nov 06 14:13:48 GMT 2003] Also in the archives: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-November/msg00681.html cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From nosp at xades.com Thu Nov 6 20:50:16 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:50:16 +0000 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068151816.12759.26.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:31, Don wrote: > I mean I guess it's fun... but I don't understand why it's such a manual > process. It does seem a bit heavyweight. Unfort it's mostly sun's issue as their license doesn't all much redistribution of the jre (IIRC). FWIW, I use the rpm packages from www.jpackage.org for installation of the jre, sdk & java development tools (junit, apt, etc.) and they work great. From nosp at xades.com Thu Nov 6 20:51:26 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:51:26 +0000 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: <200311061038.05120.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311061038.05120.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068151886.12759.29.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 15:38, Elton Woo wrote: > ... perhaps linux isn't for you ...? Be nice :). A working java applet in a browser is a pretty basic request... From nosp at xades.com Thu Nov 6 20:54:28 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:54:28 +0000 Subject: ftp install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068152068.12759.33.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:44, Don wrote: > Yes, the ISOs are good (MD5 matches) > > I just saw a message that says this is only possible via NFS... ftp/http > installs require the ISOs to be "unpacked" (my term) > > So, is there way to "extract" the ISO into all it's component parts without > burning the CDs? I think it was mentioned before in general terms: mount the isos as filesystems: cd /mnt mkdir iso1 iso2 iso3 mount -o loop=/dev/loop1 -t iso9660 /path/to/iso/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/iso1 mount -o loop=/dev/loop2 -t iso9660 /path/to/iso/yarrow-i386-disc2.iso /mnt/iso2 mount -o loop=/dev/loop3 -t iso9660 /path/to/iso/yarrow-i386-disc3.iso /mnt/iso3 now you have /mnt/iso1/* as the contents of the first iso. You may want to make the mount points be in a different place if you need them to be available via your ftp server. From fabian at gacel.cl Thu Nov 6 20:54:36 2003 From: fabian at gacel.cl (Fabian Arias) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:54:36 -0300 (CLST) Subject: ftp install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Don wrote: > So, is there way to "extract" the ISO into all it's component parts without > burning the CDs? As I explained before, loop mount the three iso's (if your kernel has loopback support on it). mount -o loop blah-cd1.iso /your/ftp/path/disc1 mount -o loop blah-cd2.iso /your/ftp/path/disc2 mount -o loop blah-cd3.iso /your/ftp/path/disc3 And enjoy. -- Fabian Arias fabian at gnome.cl http://www.dewback.cl/ From sm6rpz at home.se Thu Nov 6 20:57:14 2003 From: sm6rpz at home.se (Lars E. Pettersson) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:57:14 +0100 Subject: ftp install In-Reply-To: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> Message-ID: <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> On Thursday 06 November 2003 21:35, Lucas Albers wrote: > iso install from directory is only supported on nfs install. > you need to extract for ftp or http install. No, you do not need to extract the contents of the iso-files. Just mount them to the directories disc1, disc2, and disc3. I.e. cd /var/ftp/pub/fedora mkdir disc1 mkdir disc2 mkdir disc3 mount -o loop /whatever/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso disc1 mount -o loop /whatever/yarrow-i386-disc2.iso disc2 mount -o loop /whatever/yarrow-i386-disc3.iso disc3 On the question on what directory to use on the ftp-server, use /pub/fedora I am installing to my laptop using this technique just now... :-) /Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson, SM6RPZ | Gothenburg, SWEDEN sm6rpz at home.se | http://www.sm6rpz.se/ From admin at cs.montana.edu Thu Nov 6 21:03:31 2003 From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:03:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: ftp install In-Reply-To: <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> Message-ID: <3202.153.90.196.197.1068152611.squirrel@www.cs.montana.edu> Well paint me purple and stick something in me, cause I'm done. That's cool. Got to to do that on my http/ftp install server. Thanks. Duh. > On Thursday 06 November 2003 21:35, Lucas Albers wrote: >> iso install from directory is only supported on nfs install. >> you need to extract for ftp or http install. > > No, you do not need to extract the contents of the iso-files. Just mount > them to the directories disc1, disc2, and disc3. > > I.e. > cd /var/ftp/pub/fedora > mkdir disc1 > mkdir disc2 > mkdir disc3 > mount -o loop /whatever/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso disc1 > mount -o loop /whatever/yarrow-i386-disc2.iso disc2 > mount -o loop /whatever/yarrow-i386-disc3.iso disc3 > > On the question on what directory to use on the ftp-server, use > /pub/fedora > > I am installing to my laptop using this technique just now... :-) > > /Lars > -- > Lars E. Pettersson, SM6RPZ | Gothenburg, SWEDEN > sm6rpz at home.se | http://www.sm6rpz.se/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From khage at start.no Thu Nov 6 21:09:52 2003 From: khage at start.no (Ketil Hage) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:09:52 +0100 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> i have some trouble with fedora core1 on my laptop. 1.whenever i try to logout from gnome the laptop just hangs/freezes. 2. halt and reboot won't work at all, never did on beta or 3 either. (the laptop won't power off) anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? thanx kh From bfd at pcisys.net Thu Nov 6 21:06:48 2003 From: bfd at pcisys.net (BFD) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:06:48 -0700 Subject: [Re: md5sum for yarrow-i386-disc3.iso not agreeing with MD5SUM file] In-Reply-To: <3FAAB21D.6080403@pcisys.net> References: <306HkFTMs7632S01.1068147498@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> <3FAAB21D.6080403@pcisys.net> Message-ID: <3FAAB7E8.4080906@pcisys.net> BFD wrote: > > > I would suggest not using this site until the problem is resolved. FYI, the site maintainer contacted me and stated that the rsync is still running against the whole tree but the isos were retrived via bit-torrent. as soon as I can rerun the rsync they ought to all match... IIRC, there were complaints from some users about having problems with md5sums under bittorrent early today. This may be the cause of the problem and hopefully it will be fixed soon. BFD From bkoz at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 21:12:46 2003 From: bkoz at redhat.com (Benjamin Kosnik) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:12:46 -0600 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <20031106153541.B4752@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> <20031106153541.B4752@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031106151246.068242c8.bkoz@redhat.com> These mirrors: >http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html >ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/1/i386/iso/ Are all 100% busy. I've had no luck. Is there an expanded mirror list? I see the old RHL mirror list was much bigger: http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html Any chance of getting this expanded list integrated with the Fedora list? best, benjamin From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Nov 6 16:13:37 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (Hoyt Duff) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:13:37 +0000 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: <200311061038.05120.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311061038.05120.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200311061613.37057.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Thursday 06 November 2003 03:38 pm, Elton Woo wrote: > > I mean I guess it's fun... but I don't understand why it's such a manual > > process. > > ... perhaps linux isn't for you ...? If it doesn't taste bad, the medicine isn'lt any good? -- Hoyt Computing in Hell: The security of Windows, the ease of use of Linux, the documentation of UNIX, the installation ease of BSD, the application choices of Su^H^HNovell, and a Macintosh mouse! From zate at superfreeway.com Thu Nov 6 21:14:39 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:14:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card In-Reply-To: <1068147233.3107.68.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <1068147233.3107.68.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <19373.155.201.35.50.1068153279.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> > > You won't get that card working with standard Fedora Core, as there is > currently not an open source driver. I understand there may be binary > drivers available from Realtek, but I don't know how well or if they > work. The other alternative is to contact Linksys and trade it for a > version 3 card, which uses the Prism-II chipset and works fine in Linux. > > --Jeremy Thanks Jeremy. I contacted Linksys support and they claim they dont support linux at all, and wont for this card - period. Which is obviously wrong, the Ver3 card is supported, but I guess it means my Ver4 cardis useless. Anyone know of any wireless cards that are 100% supported, and will continue to be supported ? -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From fabian at gacel.cl Thu Nov 6 21:15:33 2003 From: fabian at gacel.cl (Fabian Arias) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:15:33 -0300 (CLST) Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Ketil Hage wrote: > i have some trouble with fedora core1 on my laptop. > > 1.whenever i try to logout from gnome the laptop just hangs/freezes. > 2. halt and reboot won't work at all, never did on beta or 3 either. (the > laptop won't power off) > > anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? Maybe asociated with the ACPI related stuff in the RELEASE-NOTES. ACPI is supported by the stock kernel, but not activated by default. Read RELEASE-NOTES and enjoy. -- Fabian Arias fabian at gnome.cl http://www.dewback.cl/ From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Thu Nov 6 21:20:57 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:20:57 +0000 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> Message-ID: <1068153657.15492.20.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? I predict that my email will end with a question... What is the make of the laptop (inc. specs)? -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Thu Nov 6 21:21:08 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:21:08 +0100 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: References: <200311061025.22832.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031106212108.GK13576@puariko.nirvana> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 12:31:46PM -0800, Don wrote: > What I'm getting at is, why isn't that automated? > > When I go to the shock download page, I click on the "shock installer" and > it gets installed.. and it works, I don't have to do anything else. > > When I get the JRE from SUN I have to download it, find the "instructions", > read the instructions, understand the instructions, set up a symlink in some > obscure directory etc... > > I mean I guess it's fun... but I don't understand why it's such a manual > process. Some time ago this was the only way to get Java due to licensing. Recently (well, it more on the scale of months) Dag put it into his repo since the license was changed. Get also mozilla-j2re from Dag, while you're at it. > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Elton Woo > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:25 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Mozilla/Flash/Java > > > > > > On November 6, 2003 02:04 pm, Don , > wrote: > > > I understand the JRE is not "open" so is not included with Fedora, but > > > shouldn't "get the plugin" work properly? > > > > You have to install the plugin according to the installation instructions > > for java, which are _provided for you_ when you go to download it. > > > > cheers, > > > > Elton ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The list on fedora.redhat.com is the accurate one. > I see the old RHL mirror list was much bigger: > http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html > > Any chance of getting this expanded list integrated with the Fedora list? Not all of them are carrying Fedora content or are synced yet. Bill From jakub at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 21:22:55 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:55 -0500 Subject: Fedora downloads In-Reply-To: <20031106151246.068242c8.bkoz@redhat.com>; from bkoz@redhat.com on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 03:12:46PM -0600 References: <1068067646.2888.30.camel@Darkstar> <1068067940.1963.11.camel@dbxwsd21> <20031106202905.GP1840@e-smith.com> <20031106153541.B4752@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031106151246.068242c8.bkoz@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031106162255.Q2097@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 03:12:46PM -0600, Benjamin Kosnik wrote: > > These mirrors: > >http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html > >ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/1/i386/iso/ > > Are all 100% busy. I've had no luck. Is there an expanded mirror list? > > I see the old RHL mirror list was much bigger: > http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html > > Any chance of getting this expanded list integrated with the Fedora list? See http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html Jakub From yinyang at eburg.com Thu Nov 6 21:24:27 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:24:27 -0800 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> Message-ID: <3FAABC0B.6000304@eburg.com> Gregory Gulik wrote: > > I used the suggested BitTorrent download of the Fedora isos and the > first disc is now done but the md5sum doesn't match what's in the MD5SUM > file that was also downloaded. > > Anyone else notice that??? Can't say I did. BitTorrent is supposed to hash check every piece it downloads. When BitTorrent says it's done, you *should* be reasonably certain that the files you have are what you're supposed to have. I know that two blocks failed the check during my download, and BT downloaded those blocks again. My isos match the MD5SUMS file. From rnix at prometheon.net Thu Nov 6 21:36:30 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:36:30 -0600 Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card In-Reply-To: <19373.155.201.35.50.1068153279.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <1068147233.3107.68.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <19373.155.201.35.50.1068153279.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <3FAABEDE.7040807@prometheon.net> I would love to know too. Is there any list of known supported wireless cards for the Fedora kernel? Zate wrote: >>You won't get that card working with standard Fedora Core, as there is >>currently not an open source driver. I understand there may be binary >>drivers available from Realtek, but I don't know how well or if they >>work. The other alternative is to contact Linksys and trade it for a >>version 3 card, which uses the Prism-II chipset and works fine in Linux. >> >>--Jeremy >> >> > >Thanks Jeremy. I contacted Linksys support and they claim they dont >support linux at all, and wont for this card - period. Which is obviously >wrong, the Ver3 card is supported, but I guess it means my Ver4 cardis >useless. > >Anyone know of any wireless cards that are 100% supported, and will >continue to be supported ? > > > > From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 6 21:36:49 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:36:49 -0800 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: <200311061038.05120.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Yup, you may have a point there Elton.... pardon my ignorance, wanting/expecting a java-enabled web browser in Linux. Yes, I understand it can be done. I've done it, I've done it so many times it isn't fun any more. I understand it's a SUN issue over licensing or something, not open source, blah blah blah.... that doesn't mean it should be difficult/tedious to install. Don > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Elton Woo > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:38 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Mozilla/Flash/Java > > > On November 6, 2003 03:31 pm, Don , > wrote: > > I mean I guess it's fun... but I don't understand why it's such a manual > > process. > ... perhaps linux isn't for you ...? > > cheers, > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bakers at web-ster.com Thu Nov 6 21:50:55 2003 From: bakers at web-ster.com (Scott Baker) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:50:55 -0800 Subject: Kernel 2.6.0 mouse problems Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031106134912.028cbe40@mail.web-ster.com> Has anyonen else installed the following Kernel 2.6.0 rpms? I know someone has :) http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ I installed them on my RedHat 9.0 box as well as my Fedora box and I seem to have the same weird mouse behavior. I have two button mouse in three button emulation mode and when I hit both mouse buttons to paste it not only pastes, but it ALSO raises the context menu as if I had right clicked. Anyone else have this problem? Is this bugzilla worthy? ----------------------------------- Scott Baker - Webster Internet Network Engineer - RHCE bakers at web-ster.com - 503.266.8253 From bryan at redfedora.co.uk Thu Nov 6 21:51:28 2003 From: bryan at redfedora.co.uk (bryan at redfedora.co.uk) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:51:28 -0000 Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card References: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <1068147233.3107.68.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <19373.155.201.35.50.1068153279.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <00fa01c3a4b0$21d19ad0$0301a8c0@BryanXP> > Anyone know of any wireless cards that are 100% supported, and will > continue to be supported ? http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/hardware/networking/products.htm?catid=127 have their own brand which says linux supported for ?19.50 licks which didn't seem too shabby. From khage at start.no Thu Nov 6 22:14:10 2003 From: khage at start.no (Ketil Hage) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:14:10 +0100 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <1068153657.15492.20.camel@T6.linux> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> <1068153657.15492.20.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106230656.01dd8030@localhost> > > > anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? > >I predict that my email will end with a question... > >What is the make of the laptop (inc. specs)? >-- The brand is "zepto" and i believe that Compal makes them.. and it's built on "PC" components. It's a SiS654DX (B version) mainboard with a 2.4 Mhz Pentium 4 processor kh From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Thu Nov 6 22:18:38 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:18:38 +0000 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106230656.01dd8030@localhost> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> <1068153657.15492.20.camel@T6.linux> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106230656.01dd8030@localhost> Message-ID: <1068157118.15497.36.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > It's a SiS654DX (B version) mainboard with a 2.4 Mhz Pentium 4 processor Sounds a familiar problem. The only really reliable way I found for SiS chipsets to switch off etc was to recompile the kernel. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From paul at frields.com Thu Nov 6 22:28:20 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:28:20 -0500 Subject: md5sum doesn't match with BitTorrent In-Reply-To: <1068127506.3107.18.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <3FA983AB.1070908@gulik.org> <1068075013.8709.4.camel@ripley> <1068084873.1210.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1068127506.3107.18.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <1068157700.2925.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 09:05, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 21:14, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Checking MD5's of a completed torrent d/l is redundant, because > > BitTorrent checks MD5 on each chunk it gets as it completes it. > > To be pedantic, BitTorrent actually uses the SHA1 hash algorithm, not > MD5, though the effect is the same. Not pedantic at all, thanks for correcting me. I got my algos confused. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From bt4rfj at earthlink.net Thu Nov 6 22:46:49 2003 From: bt4rfj at earthlink.net (Bob Jones) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:46:49 -0500 Subject: Kernel 2.6.0 mouse problems In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031106134912.028cbe40@mail.web-ster.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031106134912.028cbe40@mail.web-ster.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:50:55 -0800, Scott Baker wrote: > Has anyonen else installed the following Kernel 2.6.0 rpms? I know > someone has :) > > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > I installed them on my RedHat 9.0 box as well as my Fedora box and I > seem to have the same weird mouse behavior. I have two button mouse in > three button emulation mode and when I hit both mouse buttons to paste > it not only pastes, but it ALSO raises the context menu as if I had > right clicked. Anyone else have this problem? Is this bugzilla worthy? > > > ----------------------------------- > Scott Baker - Webster Internet > Network Engineer - RHCE > bakers at web-ster.com - 503.266.8253 -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Take a look at this link for an explanation - Linux: The Mouse in 2.6 http://kerneltrap.org/news/linux HTH Bob Jones From jaap at haitsma.org Thu Nov 6 22:48:12 2003 From: jaap at haitsma.org (Jaap A. Haitsma) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:48:12 +0100 Subject: Kernel 2.6.0 mouse problems In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031106134912.028cbe40@mail.web-ster.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031106134912.028cbe40@mail.web-ster.com> Message-ID: <3FAACFAC.6050307@haitsma.org> Scott Baker wrote: > Has anyonen else installed the following Kernel 2.6.0 rpms? I know > someone has :) > > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > I installed them on my RedHat 9.0 box as well as my Fedora box and I > seem to have the same weird mouse behavior. I have two button mouse in > three button emulation mode and when I hit both mouse buttons to paste > it not only pastes, but it ALSO raises the context menu as if I had > right clicked. Anyone else have this problem? Is this bugzilla worthy? > I also had mouse problems with the kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67.i686.rpm. I have DELL C600 latitude laptop with also 3 button emulation. Problem with me was that the mouse pointer was moving strangely. It was shaking while I was making a consistent movement. I also saw that the stock ticker was moving in a shaky fashion Jaap From bfox at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 22:50:27 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:50:27 -0500 Subject: not OS related-red hat stock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068159026.26480.101.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 11:52, Gus Vigo wrote: > hi folks... > > anyone been looking at the red hat stock lately? > it's dropped over a dollar each day the past 3 days...any > thoughts on this? > > maybe the people are dumping redhat back? Let's try to keep things a little on topic if we can. Since Fedora Core 1 is now released, let's hope the traffic on this list dies down until the first test release of Fedora Core 2. Discussions about stock prices and such are probably better suited for redhat-list. Cheers, Brent From mike at netlyncs.com Thu Nov 6 23:09:52 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:09:52 -0600 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter Message-ID: <1068160191.1451.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Ok, so is fedora-list the place to discuss Fedora Core issues with the official release instead of the beta list? CC'ing fedora-list as well, so watch if using reply-to-all if not a member of that list. (doing it so they know the answer as well) -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Do you hear me now?....GOOD!" From dennis at ausil.us Thu Nov 6 23:16:17 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:16:17 +1000 Subject: again RHPW In-Reply-To: <65106.69.68.37.57.1068125598.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <1067955207.20030.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49880.65.32.153.221.1068098758.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <65106.69.68.37.57.1068125598.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <200311070916.18353.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:33 pm, William Hooper wrote: > Zate said: > > If you had taken the time to read some of the info provided on that link > > you'd be treated to a list of what RHPW comes with, whats installed etc > > etc. > > I know what it comes with and what is installed. The question was: > >> Has anyone actually bought a copy of this yet? I don't see info about > >> support life other than it comes with one year of RHN's "update" class > >> service. Im going to buy a copy next week when it is released in Australia. ill let you know how it goes. Dennis From dgenn at rogers.com Thu Nov 6 23:23:57 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:23:57 -0500 Subject: Kernel 2.6.0 mouse problems In-Reply-To: <3FAACFAC.6050307@haitsma.org> Message-ID: <20031106232336.RXJD320036.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Adding "psmouse_noext=1" to grubs config file (kernel line) solved the erratic mouse behaviour for me with 2.6.0-0.test9.1.70 as explained at kerneltrap.org. Dan -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jaap A. Haitsma Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:48 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Kernel 2.6.0 mouse problems Scott Baker wrote: > Has anyonen else installed the following Kernel 2.6.0 rpms? I know > someone has :) > > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ > > I installed them on my RedHat 9.0 box as well as my Fedora box and I > seem to have the same weird mouse behavior. I have two button mouse in > three button emulation mode and when I hit both mouse buttons to paste > it not only pastes, but it ALSO raises the context menu as if I had > right clicked. Anyone else have this problem? Is this bugzilla worthy? > I also had mouse problems with the kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.67.i686.rpm. I have DELL C600 latitude laptop with also 3 button emulation. Problem with me was that the mouse pointer was moving strangely. It was shaking while I was making a consistent movement. I also saw that the stock ticker was moving in a shaky fashion Jaap -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 23:29:01 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 06 Nov 2003 21:29:01 -0200 Subject: Installing FC1 to/from Firewire devices Message-ID: I've written some instructions and code to enable Fedore Core 1 to install to Firewire hard drives (and, hopefully, from Firewire CDs). They're at http://people.redhat.com/aoliva/snapshots/FC1-firewire/ -> http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/snapshots/FC1-firewire/ If you're interested, please give it a try and let me know whether you find any problems with it. If I get a few success reports, I'll post it to fedora-list later. Thanks, -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From paul at frields.com Thu Nov 6 23:50:02 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:50:02 -0500 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: <1068160191.1451.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1068160191.1451.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1068162601.1213.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:09, Mike Chambers wrote: > Ok, so is fedora-list the place to discuss Fedora Core issues with the > official release instead of the beta list? I would think so. Until we see FC2 test1, this list should reasonably be near-silent, except possibly for discussion related to improving the testing process or other related issues. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From mspencer at evidentdata.com Fri Nov 7 00:13:59 2003 From: mspencer at evidentdata.com (Mark G. Spencer) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:13:59 -0800 Subject: More details on performing FTP installation of Fedora? Message-ID: <20031106161359.675789176.mspencer@evidentdata.com> It doesn't look like I'll be able to install Fedora via floppy boot from my USB DVD drive, so I'm moving to a FTP install. I copied each disc to its own folder on my FTP server, then realized that I don't know how to start the process from the machine I want to install Fedora on. I checked out the website and it mentions installation documentation is coming with the next release. I haven't done a FTP install of an OS before. Could someone explain to me what needs to be done? I'm hopefully going to do this on an old laptop with a PCMCIA IBM Credit Card Ethernet II adapter. Thanks, Mark From nosp at xades.com Fri Nov 7 00:26:35 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:26:35 +0000 Subject: More details on performing FTP installation of Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031106161359.675789176.mspencer@evidentdata.com> References: <20031106161359.675789176.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Message-ID: <1068164794.1989.7.camel@earth.xades.com> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 00:13, Mark G. Spencer wrote: > I haven't done a FTP install of an OS before. Could someone explain to me what needs to be done? I'm hopefully going to do this on an old laptop with a PCMCIA IBM Credit Card Ethernet II adapter. In a nutshell, you have to get your target machine to boot to the fedora installer, and then tell the installer the installation files are on your ftp server. To start the process you need to boot your target machine such that you can access your FTP server. For a laptop with a PCMCIA network adapter, you will probably need to burn one CD or 2two to three floppies. Look in the images directory of the Yarrow iso/disk #1. You will see boot.iso and some *.img files. If your laptop has a CDROM, burn the boot.iso image and boot from the resulting CD. Then follow the prompts and select an FTP server as the source of the installation disks at the appropriate time. If you have to use floppies, you probably need to create at least two floppies, one from the bootnet.img and one from the pcmcia*.img file. Then boot from the bootnet.img floppy and read the help at the bootup screen to find out how to load drivers from additional disks (IIRC, you type "linux dd" at the boot prompt and insert your pcmcia disk when done). But don't take my word for it, check out the documentation at: http://fedora.redhat.com/download/#boot (note the RedHat 9 installation instructions link; apart from the different floppy disk image names, the instructions are still valid). Good luck. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Nov 7 01:12:54 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:12:54 -0500 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> Message-ID: <3FAAF196.6080307@insight.rr.com> Ketil Hage wrote: > i have some trouble with fedora core1 on my laptop. > > 1.whenever i try to logout from gnome the laptop just hangs/freezes. > 2. halt and reboot won't work at all, never did on beta or 3 either. > (the laptop won't power off) > > anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? > > thanx > > kh > /sbin/shutdown -h 0 Run this as root, this will shutdown the power also. Using either reboot and halt don't power off machines, at least for me. Jim -- There are two types of Linux developers - those who can spell, and those who can't. There is a constant pitched battle between the two. (From one of the post-1.1.54 kernel update messages posted to c.o.l.a) From piller at visi.net Fri Nov 7 01:30:12 2003 From: piller at visi.net (Maurice F. Piller) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:30:12 -0500 Subject: Update to yarrow from Core 0.95 fails Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > I would like to upgrade to yarrow from Fedora core 0.95. > This is does not work. When it gets to the stage of transferring the > image to hardrive, it complains that it may be out of space. > > Of course, I have plenty of hard-drive space. Hi Ernest, I had a similar problem today. Tried to install Fedora Core 1 on my IBM R30 Thinkpad, got the following error "An error occurred transferring the install image to your hard drive. You are probably out of disk space". Disk space is not the problem. However, I think my laptop CDROM may be flaky. The CD's fail the media check on my laptop but pass on my other computers. I will try a network install next. Chip From grant at tuins.ac.jp Fri Nov 7 05:34:59 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:34:59 +0900 Subject: great default wallpaper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAB2F03.40303@tuins.ac.jp> Oh, by the way, the default wallpaper is great. rg From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Fri Nov 7 05:58:28 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:58:28 +0200 Subject: mp3 support In-Reply-To: <1068147746.2192.9.camel@onyx> References: <1068144793.2192.6.camel@onyx> <1068147167.14015.5.camel@albert> <1068147746.2192.9.camel@onyx> Message-ID: <3FAB3484.7060102@mail.uct.ac.za> Antti wrote: >On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 21:32, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > >>On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:53, Antti wrote: >> >> >>>What package do I need to listen mp3s with rhythmbox? >>> >>> >>Listen very carefully. I shall say this only once!! >> >>Its actually a bit of an issue really. Rhythmbox is aplayer written on >>the Gstreamer Multimedia Framework. See http://www.gstreamer.net . It >>gets all its codecs from this framework. To play mp3s in gstreamer, you >>need to tell gstreamer how to do it by installing an appropriate codec >>and an appropriate plugin. I do not know if the fedora rpms were >>compiled with mp3 support or not. If they were not, then you have to >>update gstreamer, install it over again. You could try going to the >>gstreamer website and following the intructions, but installing >>gstreamer is a bit harder than the usual ./configure; make; make >>install. You would also need to make sure a whole lot of packages are >>installed for gstreamer to be able to use them. For mp3 playback it uses >>mad. I have also seen lame hanging around there, so it might use lame as >>well. You have to compile it right because a lot depends on it, like >>playing movies too. I wold say its better to wit until someone gets >>updated packages. I am sure freshrpms will have them soon. >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > >What about Sound Juicer, what do I need to encode to mp3s? It says its >not possible with your installation. > > Sound Juicer uses the same framework, so its the same. You can encode into ogg though, but its an issue if yu want to put your ogg files onto a portable or something. I'd say just wait for a new set of gstreamer packages with mp3 support. It may just be a matter of installing the relevant plugins though. From jbinpg at shaw.ca Fri Nov 7 06:20:44 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:20:44 -0800 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <3FAAF196.6080307@insight.rr.com> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> <3FAAF196.6080307@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031107062044.GB5256@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:12:54PM -0500, Jim Cornette wrote: > Ketil Hage wrote: > >i have some trouble with fedora core1 on my laptop. > > > >1.whenever i try to logout from gnome the laptop just hangs/freezes. > >2. halt and reboot won't work at all, never did on beta or 3 either. > >(the laptop won't power off) > > > >anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? > > > >thanx > > > >kh > > > > /sbin/shutdown -h 0 > > Run this as root, this will shutdown the power also. > Using either reboot and halt don't power off machines, at least for me. Did you try "poweroff"? -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Nov 7 10:00:51 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:00:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: <20031106202250.GN1840@e-smith.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 06/11/03 Panu Matilainen did say: > > > Apt-rpm is not at least currently supported in Fedora Core, however > > a) you can safely expect various mirrors to provide "apt-rpm enabled" > > repositories of it, including www.fedora.us and freshrpms.net. > > b) there's work going on to create a generic repository metadata format, > > meaning in practise any depsolver supporting that can be used to access > > any repository using that format, at which point there aren't > > yum/apt-rpm/up2date/red-carpet repositories, they simply become "package > > repositories" which you can access with your favorite client. > > Ok, thanks. > > Odd. I only looked into Fedora in the first place to use apt-rpm. > I'm quite surprised to hear that it's not yet officially supported. As a > long-time Debian user, it made me feel very comfortable on an rpm-based > distro. Apt-rpm will be available in www.fedora.us repository as long as it's not "officially" in Fedora Core or Extras (which is yet to materialize). It's just not there *yet*, though I hope to build shiny new package for it this evening once I've upgraded my box to FC1 first :) > Any good comparisons of the two? Can I install based on pathname, > libname in yum? Is the search facility as good as "apt-cache"? I don't think *good* comparisons exist, some bad ones (completely different things on different distros tested and odd conclusions made based on totally invalid testing methods) are known to be out in the wild. Both have their pros & cons, largely a matter of personal taste and what you've used to. - Panu - From seandarcy at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 10:29:32 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 05:29:32 -0500 Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key Message-ID: I'm running up2date in text mode. When I run wihout --nosig, I get an error that I need to rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY So I do. Run up2date, get the same error. Do I need to import some other key? In any event, the error message needs some help. sean _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From jorton at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 11:51:57 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:51:57 +0000 Subject: httpd 2.0.48 updates Message-ID: <20031107115157.GA20316@redhat.com> Hi, I've prepared update packages for 2.0.48, which include the fix for CVE CAN-2003-0542: http://people.redhat.com/jorton/FedoraC1-httpd/ (which is a yum repos) Any testing is appreciated - please post feedback to the bug report here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108608 Regards, joe From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Nov 7 14:19:03 2003 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:19:03 -0500 Subject: More details on performing FTP installation of Fedora? Message-ID: <9B425F151083D311A218009027B00EA605C47FE8@Remailnt1> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nosp [mailto:nosp at xades.com] >> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:27 PM >> >> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 00:13, Mark G. Spencer wrote: >> > I haven't done a FTP install of an OS before. Could someone >> > explain to me what needs to be done? I'm hopefully going to >> > do this on an old laptop with a PCMCIA IBM Credit Card Ethernet >> > II adapter. >> >> If you have to use floppies, you probably need to create at >> least two floppies, one from the bootnet.img and one from the >> pcmcia*.img file. You will probably need three disks. Note that the file names for Fedora Core 1 are: bootdisk.img drvnet.img pcmciadd.img -- Henry Hartley From michael.yohe at us.army.mil Fri Nov 7 15:43:14 2003 From: michael.yohe at us.army.mil (Michael Lee Yohe) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:43:14 -0600 Subject: httpd 2.0.48 updates In-Reply-To: <20031107115157.GA20316@redhat.com> References: <20031107115157.GA20316@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068219793.2267.0.camel@bigputer> > Hi, I've prepared update packages for 2.0.48, which include the fix > for CVE CAN-2003-0542: > > http://people.redhat.com/jorton/FedoraC1-httpd/ No source RPM? :( -- Michael Lee Yohe U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command Software Engineering Directorate From zate at superfreeway.com Fri Nov 7 01:43:46 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:43:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card In-Reply-To: <00fa01c3a4b0$21d19ad0$0301a8c0@BryanXP> References: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <1068147233.3107.68.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <19373.155.201.35.50.1068153279.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <00fa01c3a4b0$21d19ad0$0301a8c0@BryanXP> Message-ID: <20046.155.201.35.50.1068169426.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> > http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/hardware/networking/products.htm?catid=127 > have their own brand which says linux supported for ?19.50 licks which > didn't seem too shabby. Thats pretty good. I'll shop around for one here locally, see what I can turn up. thanks for the help. Zate. -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From garrett at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 03:06:24 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:06:24 -0500 Subject: Final FC1 desktop background looks *nice*; Thanks! (was Re: default desktop background looks hideous IMO) In-Reply-To: <20031106174351.GA7798@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20031030094936.A3127@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031030201543.GK10427@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3FA18643.3050400@redhat.com> <20031106174351.GA7798@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <3FAB0C30.4080700@redhat.com> Barry K. Nathan wrote: >On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 04:44:35PM -0500, Garrett LeSage wrote: > > >>You can rest assured that Fedora Core 2 will have a different background. >> >> > >It looks like the final Fedora Core 1 release shipped with a different >-- and much MUCH nicer, in my opinion -- background. Thanks a million! > > Thanks! Glad you like it! (: Garrett From bfox at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 03:43:11 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:43:11 -0500 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: <1068160191.1451.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1068160191.1451.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20031107034311.GC27306@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:09:52PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > Ok, so is fedora-list the place to discuss Fedora Core issues with the > official release instead of the beta list? Yes. In theory, there should be very little traffic on fedora-test-list until Fedora Core test 1 is released. I don't want to have to consider list moderation or anything like that, so I'll just appeal to everyone to try to stay on topic for the particular list that you post to. It will make things run more smoothly in the long run. :) Cheers, Brent From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Nov 7 04:07:28 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:07:28 -0500 Subject: Anaconda - changing displays during install Message-ID: <3FAB1A80.90502@insight.rr.com> I was unable to select a display during the installation process. Nothing would take, if selected. This causes the display not to be at its full resolution and you need to select it post-install. This problem is on an HP ze4315us laptop. The video card is selected properly and nothing needs to be done for the video card, just the display. Thanks, Jim -- Let me put it this way: today is going to be a learning experience. From adwint at pandora.be Fri Nov 7 15:56:22 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:56:22 +0000 Subject: installation of additional packages Message-ID: <1068220582.10456.13.camel@dimension> Hi, I installed Fedora from ISO's downloaded on a Mandrake partition. I did not burn the disks. (It's a waste of CDROM's) The initial installation of Fedora Core went fine. Now I would like to add some packages. (I may need some development tools to compile an OSS sound module and to have the nVidia installer compile a 3D driver.) After selecting the packages, Fedora installer requests to insert the 1st CDROM, which obviously I don't have. How can I get the packages from the ISO's, previously stored on my other linux partition? Will I have to burn these ISO disks anyway? Thanks for any assistance. Albert From matt-whiteley at comcast.net Fri Nov 7 05:54:36 2003 From: matt-whiteley at comcast.net (Matt Whiteley) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:54:36 -0800 Subject: gnome-terminal default size Message-ID: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> I changed the launcher to read 'gnome-terminal --geometry=80x52'. I normally use tabs, but on the occasion I do a shift+ctrl+n for a new window, which opens the default size. Is there a way of changing my default size without resorting to /etc/termcap and changing everyones? thanks, -- Matt Whiteley From mike at netlyncs.com Fri Nov 7 16:00:19 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:00:19 -0600 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: <20031107034311.GC27306@redhat.com> References: <1068160191.1451.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20031107034311.GC27306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068220819.3288.10.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 21:43, Brent Fox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:09:52PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > > Ok, so is fedora-list the place to discuss Fedora Core issues with the > > official release instead of the beta list? > > Yes. In theory, there should be very little traffic on > fedora-test-list until Fedora Core test 1 is released. > > I don't want to have to consider list moderation or anything like > that, so I'll just appeal to everyone to try to stay on topic for the > particular list that you post to. It will make things run more > smoothly in the long run. :) Ok, thanks. So for those still posting, get your butts registered on fedora-list and post there about FC 1 issues, NOT HERE! This is for tests only and there is currently NO tests out, now that FC 1 is released. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Do you hear me now?....GOOD!" From anthony.seward at ieee.org Fri Nov 7 16:04:48 2003 From: anthony.seward at ieee.org (Anthony Joseph Seward) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:04:48 -0700 Subject: gnome-terminal default size In-Reply-To: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> References: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> Message-ID: <1068221087.17210.33.camel@sonylap1> I hope you get an answer: I've asked several times over the last couple of years and never received a response. Tony On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 22:54, Matt Whiteley wrote: > I changed the launcher to read 'gnome-terminal --geometry=80x52'. I > normally use tabs, but on the occasion I do a shift+ctrl+n for a new > window, which opens the default size. Is there a way of changing my > default size without resorting to /etc/termcap and changing everyones? > > thanks, -- Anthony Joseph Seward From operalover_99 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 16:21:13 2003 From: operalover_99 at yahoo.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:21:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card In-Reply-To: <3FAABEDE.7040807@prometheon.net> Message-ID: <20031107162113.8676.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Group: --- Ryan Nix wrote: > I would love to know too. Is there any list of > known supported wireless > cards for the Fedora kernel? > > I don't know of a list as such, but this site has a lot of information about wireless cards, and was big help when I did the wireless thing last week: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html I dodged the bullet on the Linksys v3/4 issue - I managed to find an old v3 card at the back of the shelf in a discount store. Mike Smith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net Fri Nov 7 13:12:22 2003 From: gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net (Jurgen Kramer) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:12:22 +0100 Subject: GNOME battery applet eats CPU Message-ID: <1068210742.1546.4.camel@paragon.slim> Hi, I've just installed Fedora FC1 on my laptop. The first thing I noticed was that my laptop responded very sluggish. After checking with top a found out that the GNOME battery applet was eating a lot of CPU. After disabling the applet the systems responds as it should. This has probably something to do with ACPI (I have ACPI enabled). I read about it on the ACPI mailinglist. Recent ACPI drivers should not have this problems. Any changes this problem will be resolved? Battery status is rather trivial on a laptop...;-) Cheers, Jurgen From davidgn at servidor.unam.mx Fri Nov 7 16:38:06 2003 From: davidgn at servidor.unam.mx (David Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F3mez?= Noguera) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:38:06 -0600 Subject: A problem with xscreensaver gl savers Message-ID: <1068223085.2613.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello. I am having a problem on a PC that I upgraded to Fedora Core1. The screensaver is not working right for gl savers I found out that at first, a gl screensaver works, or the first time I switch the "Install colormap" on the properties window. So I tried running the app standalone (i.e. gflux), and it would run right in its own window, but just the first time if I ran it on an already existing window, and just blank any subsequent time. I dont think its a bug in Fedora xscreensaver, as I installed just that rpm on another pc (not upgraded) and its working ok there, but I wanted to make sure If somebody else has seen this and know why it happens. Bye From jcsitte at staticnull.org Fri Nov 7 16:42:08 2003 From: jcsitte at staticnull.org (Jonathan C. Sitte) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:42:08 -0500 Subject: GNOME battery applet eats CPU In-Reply-To: <1068210742.1546.4.camel@paragon.slim> References: <1068210742.1546.4.camel@paragon.slim> Message-ID: <3FABCB60.3030209@staticnull.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jurgen Kramer wrote: | Hi, | | I've just installed Fedora FC1 on my laptop. The first | thing I noticed was that my laptop responded very sluggish. | After checking with top a found out that the GNOME battery applet | was eating a lot of CPU. After disabling the applet the systems | responds as it should. Mine is not doing that at all: ~ 11:41:19 up 2:16, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.20, 0.18 84 processes: 75 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 7 stopped CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle ~ total 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% Mem: 514056k av, 469780k used, 44276k free, 0k shrd, 38464k buff ~ 238960k active, 186428k inactive Swap: 1076344k av, 208k used, 1076136k free 235108k cached ~ PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND ~ 4785 root 15 0 49536 19M 7440 S 1.5 3.9 3:36 0 X ~ 4921 jcsitte 17 0 8212 8212 6804 S 1.1 1.5 2:33 0 battstat-appl ~ 4895 jcsitte 16 0 5412 5412 4712 S 0.7 1.0 0:08 0 magicdev ~ 5930 jcsitte 15 0 44256 43M 20640 S 0.3 8.6 0:52 0 mozilla-bin ~ 6122 jcsitte 17 0 1116 1116 888 R 0.1 0.2 0:00 0 top ~ 1 root 16 0 420 420 360 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 0 init ~ 2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 keventd ~ 3 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 ksoftirqd/0 ~ 5 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 bdflush ~ 4 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kswapd ~ 6 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kupdated ~ 7 root 21 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 mdrecoveryd ~ 11 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kjournald ~ 96 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 khubd - -- Jonathan C. Sitte -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/q8tgA60L5My8BKQRApHsAJ9a4jNVquiYpmLIvFui5WfanQ0fFQCff9tt glzqsNG3uoA484XgRPwO0yI= =WT0R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Nov 7 04:56:43 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:56:43 -0500 Subject: Installing FC1 to/from Firewire devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAB260B.8090903@speakeasy.net> I'll ultimately want firewire support in at least some of my machines, so the capability for firewire installs are nice. well done. Bob Alexandre Oliva wrote: > I've written some instructions and code to enable Fedore Core 1 to > install to Firewire hard drives (and, hopefully, from Firewire CDs). > They're at http://people.redhat.com/aoliva/snapshots/FC1-firewire/ > -> http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/snapshots/FC1-firewire/ > > If you're interested, please give it a try and let me know whether you > find any problems with it. > > If I get a few success reports, I'll post it to fedora-list later. > > Thanks, > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From mark at mitre.org Fri Nov 7 15:29:12 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:29:12 -0500 Subject: X hangs on FC 1 install Message-ID: <3FABBA48.9020500@mitre.org> This appears to be dual head radeon related problem: Attempted a clean FC 1 install via NFS. Using a dual head card w/ two LCD panels attached. Install gets through the Anaconda probes for the video card (ATI Fire GL X1), monitor (LCD NEC 1860 ) and USB mouse and then hangs when the Graphical Installer starts X (killing the sync to the monitor). A retry with a 'linux text' install works just fine. Same thing then happens w/ a subsequently running system when starting X using the stock config file. SSH into the box shows the kernel still spinning and X, gdm-binary, greeter still running. The XFree log shows no problems (EEs). Fix: I had the 2nd NEC 1860 attached to the Fire GL during all this and the X log shows probing for it though obviously there was no dual head configuration in the XF86Config file at the install point. I unplugged the 2nd monitor from the Card and all is well; X starts w/ out any trouble. -Mark From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 16:55:17 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:55:17 -0500 Subject: Mozilla crashing In-Reply-To: <1068143241.18450.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068143241.18450.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FABCE75.60003@redhat.com> Scott A Phipps wrote: >>It found various links in Japanese, but the browser did not crash. >> >>HTH, >> >>Elton ;-) >> > > > Here is the error I'm getting from strace. > > open("/usr/share/fonts/ja/TrueType/kochi-mincho.ttf", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No such file or directory) Sounds like this bug: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183729 Just make sure all your fonts are world-readable. --Chris From davidgn at servidor.unam.mx Fri Nov 7 13:13:52 2003 From: davidgn at servidor.unam.mx (David Eduardo Gomez Noguera) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:13:52 -0600 Subject: xscreensaver gl problem Message-ID: <1068210832.1646.23.camel@localhost> Hello. I am having problems with xscreensaver gl*** savers. They work fine the first time, but will display a blank screen any subsequent time unless I restart the daemon, or change the "Install Colormat" option. I am using the nvidia drivers, but I dont think thats the problem. If I run the saver from a terminal, it will run ok if its on its own window. If I run it with a window-id, it will be ok the first time, but wont work any subsequent time. I couldnt find if it was a bug or a problem with me alone, so I wanted to make sure if anyone else is seeing this, know of this bug already on the database or know a solution. From mr700 at globalnet.bg Fri Nov 7 18:01:51 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:01:51 +0200 Subject: installation of additional packages In-Reply-To: <1068220582.10456.13.camel@dimension> References: <1068220582.10456.13.camel@dimension> Message-ID: <200311072001.52488@-mr700> On Friday 07 November 2003 17:56, Albert DE WINT wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Fedora from ISO's downloaded on a Mandrake partition. I did > not burn the disks. (It's a waste of CDROM's) > > The initial installation of Fedora Core went fine. > > Now I would like to add some packages. (I may need some development > tools to compile an OSS sound module and to have the nVidia installer > compile a 3D driver.) > > After selecting the packages, Fedora installer requests to insert the > 1st CDROM, which obviously I don't have. > > How can I get the packages from the ISO's, previously stored on my other > linux partition? Will I have to burn these ISO disks anyway? > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Albert Can you 'mount -o loop,ro /mnt/mandrake/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom' ? -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Fri Nov 7 18:02:03 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:02:03 -0600 Subject: xscreensaver gl problem In-Reply-To: <1068210832.1646.23.camel@localhost> References: <1068210832.1646.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1068228122.6055.550.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 07:13, David Eduardo Gomez Noguera wrote: > Hello. > I am having problems with xscreensaver gl*** savers. > They work fine the first time, but will display a blank screen any > subsequent time unless I restart the daemon, or change the "Install > Colormat" option. > I am using the nvidia drivers, but I dont think thats the problem. Actually, that is the problem. Without getting into details, there is an issue with the NVidia driver installation and the Mesa libGL libraries. You can search the archives for more details if you wish. Do this as root from a non-X boot (ie. runlevel 3): rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGL ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run The first line removes the Mesa-libGL RPM to resolve the GL library problems. Do not remove the Mesa-libGLU RPM (note the GL*U*), that needs to stay. The second line runs the NVidia installer and gets around the kernel/gcc version incompatibility issue. It creates the 'custom' version, which you then run in line 3. This has worked each and every time that I have done it, which is after each kernel upgrade and any XFree86 updates. Be sure to do this in the same sequence, first removing the libGL RPM before running the NVidia installer steps. HTH, Marc Schwartz From dgenn at rogers.com Fri Nov 7 18:02:44 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:02:44 -0500 Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031107180254.VXYB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Use the applet in X windows on the toolbar for RHN. This was the only way the import worked for me. Dan -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of sean darcy Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 5:30 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key I'm running up2date in text mode. When I run wihout --nosig, I get an error that I need to rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY So I do. Run up2date, get the same error. Do I need to import some other key? In any event, the error message needs some help. sean _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From gordy100 at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 7 18:20:16 2003 From: gordy100 at ntlworld.com (gordy) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:20:16 +0000 Subject: Speedtouch usb modem driver Message-ID: <1068229216.7810.1.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Hi all, Where can I get a driver for FC1 for this type of ADSL modem? How would I install it? Thanks, Gordy From adwint at pandora.be Fri Nov 7 18:24:46 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:24:46 +0000 Subject: installation of additional packages In-Reply-To: <200311072001.52488@-mr700> References: <1068220582.10456.13.camel@dimension> <200311072001.52488@-mr700> Message-ID: <1068229486.10618.32.camel@dimension> > Can you 'mount -o loop,ro /mnt/mandrake/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom' ? No, I can't, this is what it says: # mount -o loop,ro /dev/hda6/yarrow/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom /dev/hda6/yarrow/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso: Not a directory I can mount my Mandrake partition the 'usual' way, and then browse it. (I know for sure /dev/hda6/yarrow does exist) # mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/mandrake From mark at mitre.org Fri Nov 7 18:29:49 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:29:49 -0500 Subject: X hangs on FC 1 install Message-ID: <3FABE49D.3070300@mitre.org> This appears to be dual head radeon related problem: Attempted a clean FC 1 install via NFS. Using a dual head card w/ two LCD panels attached. Install gets through the Anaconda probes for the video card (ATI Fire GL X1), monitor (LCD NEC 1860 ) and USB mouse and then hangs when the Graphical Installer starts X (killing the sync to the monitor). A retry with a 'linux text' install works just fine. Same thing then happens w/ a subsequently running system when starting X using the stock config file. SSH into the box shows the kernel still spinning and X, gdm-binary, greeter still running. The XFree log shows no problems (EEs). Fix: I had the 2nd NEC 1860 attached to the Fire GL during all this and the X log shows probing for it though obviously there was no dual head configuration in the XF86Config file at the install point. I unplugged the 2nd monitor from the Card and all is well; X starts w/ out any trouble. -Mark From mark at mitre.org Fri Nov 7 18:38:21 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:38:21 -0500 Subject: X hangs on FC 1 install In-Reply-To: <3FABE49D.3070300@mitre.org> References: <3FABE49D.3070300@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3FABE69D.6060209@mitre.org> Sorry - wrong list From georg at georgs.org Fri Nov 7 18:40:10 2003 From: georg at georgs.org (Georg E Schneider) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:40:10 +0100 Subject: Speedtouch usb modem driver In-Reply-To: <1068229216.7810.1.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> References: <1068229216.7810.1.camel@cpc2-oxfd5-3-0-cust102.oxfd.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <3FABE70A.3020409@georgs.org> gordy schrieb: >Hi all, > >Where can I get a driver for FC1 for this type of ADSL modem? >How would I install it? > >Thanks, > >Gordy > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > The driver is included in the kernel, but you need the management tool. Install just search in google for a redhat install of thi modem. It works. mfg Georg E Schneider From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Nov 7 19:10:25 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:10:25 +0100 Subject: installation of additional packages In-Reply-To: <1068229486.10618.32.camel@dimension> References: <1068220582.10456.13.camel@dimension> <200311072001.52488@-mr700> <1068229486.10618.32.camel@dimension> Message-ID: <20031107201025.11af1a9a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:24:46 +0000, Albert DE WINT wrote: > > > Can you 'mount -o loop,ro /mnt/mandrake/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom' ? > > No, I can't, this is what it says: > > # mount -o loop,ro /dev/hda6/yarrow/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom > /dev/hda6/yarrow/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso: Not a directory You introduced a mistake here by modifying the example to something that doesn't make any sense. /dev/hda6/yarror/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso does not exist. Instead, you should change it to where you keep the "yarrow-i386-disc1.iso" file. > (I know for sure /dev/hda6/yarrow does exist) No, it doesn't. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adwint at pandora.be Fri Nov 7 19:51:23 2003 From: adwint at pandora.be (Albert DE WINT) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:51:23 +0000 Subject: installation of additional packages In-Reply-To: <20031107201025.11af1a9a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1068220582.10456.13.camel@dimension> <200311072001.52488@-mr700> <1068229486.10618.32.camel@dimension> <20031107201025.11af1a9a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1068234682.10618.48.camel@dimension> > You introduced a mistake here by modifying the example to something > that doesn't make any sense. > > /dev/hda6/yarror/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso does not exist. Instead, > you should change it to where you keep the "yarrow-i386-disc1.iso" > file. Ok, I finally understand. Thanks, it works when I do: # mount -o loop,ro /mnt/mandrake/yarrow/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom I didn't pick up the fact that actually there's two steps to take: first mounting the device and then mounting the directory holding the iso to /mnt/cdrom From lists at reforge.fi Fri Nov 7 19:51:40 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:51:40 +0200 Subject: GNOME battery applet eats CPU In-Reply-To: <1068210742.1546.4.camel@paragon.slim> References: <1068210742.1546.4.camel@paragon.slim> Message-ID: <1068234700.4599.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I've just installed Fedora FC1 on my laptop. The first > thing I noticed was that my laptop responded very sluggish. > After checking with top a found out that the GNOME battery applet > was eating a lot of CPU. After disabling the applet the systems > responds as it should. Hello Jurgen, You might want to check out Mike Hardy's "Linux on Dell Latitude D800" page that has a patch for the battery applet. By default the applet seems to check battery status every second (I don't know why :)), but Mike's patch makes it to check status every 30 seconds. You can find Mike's page at http://mikehardy.net/linux_latitude_d800/ Regards, -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From mharris at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 19:56:56 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:56:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: X hangs on FC 1 install In-Reply-To: <3FABE49D.3070300@mitre.org> References: <3FABE49D.3070300@mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Mark Heslep wrote: >This appears to be dual head radeon related problem: > >Attempted a clean FC 1 install via NFS. Using a dual head card w/ two >LCD panels attached. Install gets through the Anaconda probes for the >video card (ATI Fire GL X1), monitor (LCD NEC 1860 ) and USB mouse and >then hangs when the Graphical Installer starts X (killing the sync to >the monitor). A retry with a 'linux text' install works just fine. >Same thing then happens w/ a subsequently running system when starting X >using the stock config file. SSH into the box shows the kernel still >spinning and X, gdm-binary, greeter still running. The XFree log shows >no problems (EEs). Fix: I had the 2nd NEC 1860 attached to the Fire >GL during all this and the X log shows probing for it though obviously >there was no dual head configuration in the XF86Config file at the >install point. I unplugged the 2nd monitor from the Card and all is >well; X starts w/ out any trouble. This problem is specific to the X1, and possibly a few other high end cards. I have an X1, and hope to look into this problem within the next month. Problem is, this hardware is AGP Pro, so I hope this problem is reproduceable on Itanium, as the only other AGP Pro mobo I have is my main workstation, and I hate hijacking my workstation as a Franken-test-box. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Fri Nov 7 03:19:12 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (James Drabb) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:19:12 -0500 Subject: Media reader fails under FC1 Message-ID: <1068175152.3995.12.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> I have a PCMCIA smart media reader made by Centon electronics. The card no longer functions since I upgraded from FC1-T3 to FC1 via apt yesterday. When I put in a smart media card into the reader, I get the following in /var/log/messages Nov 6 21:14:49 keelie cardmgr[4684]: socket 0: ATA/IDE Fixed Disk Nov 6 21:14:50 keelie cardmgr[4684]: executing: 'modprobe ide-cs' Nov 6 21:15:14 keelie kernel: ide_cs: ide_register() at 0x100 & 0x10e, irq 3 failed Nov 6 21:15:15 keelie cardmgr[4684]: get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable I am normally able to mount the card as /dev/hde1. I have these three kernels and get the same results: 2.4.20-20.9 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl 2.6.0-0.test9.1.67 When I first insert the smart media card into the reader the mouse locks up for a few seconds. If I take the card out and re-insert it, my laptop locks up completely, no mouse, no keyboard. I thought it might have been a kernel issue, however it is happening with the 2.4.20-20.9 kernel from RH9 and the 2.6-test kernels as well. I have used the reader on my laptop with Red Hat 9 and FC test-{1,2,3} for a while without issues. I thought the reader may have gone bad, however I just popped it into my other laptop running RH9 with kernel 2.4.19-9 and it worked without problems. Any clues where to start looking? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From seandarcy at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 20:14:14 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:14:14 -0500 Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key Message-ID: DanG wrote: > >Use the applet in X windows on the toolbar for RHN. This was the only way >the import worked for me. > > Dan > This is a slow old print server/router that doesn't even have X installed. I need a command line solution. sean _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize From dgenn at rogers.com Fri Nov 7 21:17:01 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:17:01 -0500 Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031107211643.YROZ489038.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Try the import using GPG if it's installed. You can find Red Hat's key at http://www.redhat.com/about/contact.html somewhere. Using your browser, download the key by pressing the [Shift] key while you click on the download link, then click the OK button to save the file (for example redhat2.asc). Then, at the shell prompt, import the key with the following command: gpg --import redhat2.asc The resulting message tells you that the key was processed. To check that the key was added, type gpg --list-keys. You'll see the key you just downloaded from Red Hat, as well as your own keys. [newuser at localhost newuser]$ gpg --list-keys /home/newuser/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ----------------------------------------- pub 1024D/DB42A60E 1999-09-23 Red Hat, Inc sub 2048g/961630A2 1999-09-23 Hope that works. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of sean darcy Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:14 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: RE: up2date keeps asking for gpg key DanG wrote: > >Use the applet in X windows on the toolbar for RHN. This was the only way >the import worked for me. > > Dan > This is a slow old print server/router that doesn't even have X installed. I need a command line solution. sean _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com Fri Nov 7 21:09:53 2003 From: mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com (Matt Brodeur) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:09:53 -0500 Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031107210953.GA21063@perhaps.nexttime.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: msg.pgp URL: From elliott at wilcoxon.org Fri Nov 7 21:00:23 2003 From: elliott at wilcoxon.org (Elliott Wilcoxon) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:00:23 -0600 Subject: gnome-terminal default size In-Reply-To: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> References: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> Message-ID: <3FAC07E7.9070604@wilcoxon.org> Can't you set an alias? Or add the --geometry bit to all the launchers you use for starting gnome-terminal. Elliott Wilcoxon Matt Whiteley wrote: > I changed the launcher to read 'gnome-terminal --geometry=80x52'. I > normally use tabs, but on the occasion I do a shift+ctrl+n for a new > window, which opens the default size. Is there a way of changing my > default size without resorting to /etc/termcap and changing everyones? > > thanks, > From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 21:21:24 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 07 Nov 2003 19:21:24 -0200 Subject: Installing FC1 to/from Firewire devices In-Reply-To: <3FAB260B.8090903@speakeasy.net> References: <3FAB260B.8090903@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Nov 7, 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I'll ultimately want firewire support in at least some of my machines, > so the capability for firewire installs are nice. well done. Thanks for the encouragement. FWIW, I had some embarrassing typos and `replace-regexp'os :-) in the script that I posted yesterday. Thanks to Greg Hamerly for letting me know about the problem (reminding me I'd failed to actually test the last version of the script, doh!) and testing the fixed version, which enabled him to succeed in starting an installation from a Firewire CD drive. Whee! A few more positive reports and I'll feel confident to post it to fedora-list. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Fri Nov 7 21:42:39 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:42:39 -0800 Subject: unable to boot after FC1 upgrade Message-ID: I know, this is the test list.... my registration to the fedora-list is taking a VERY long time ... :-( Anyway..... It's an older machine (IBM 2144-86P Aptiva Pentium 60MHz, 96Meg RAM) and I have to boot from floppy... it won't even boot from the hard drive ('cause I put in a bigger one than IBM shipped). With RH8 it would boot from the floppy disk then bring up the system from there... works fine... Last night I upgraded to FC1 from RedHat 8 and that went OK... I used the text install because I have never been able to get X working on this machine.... it's under-powered for GUI anyway... When I did the upgrade to FC1, I created a boot diskette... but when all is said and done and I try to boot from there, I just get a message that says "boot failed"... I tried several times... tried re-inserting the disk etc... nope. Now, I try to do the upgrade again, and it just hangs in the "searching for packages to upgrade" stage. (I left it all night in case it was just "slow") I was expecting it to basically go through the upgrade process quickly, giving me a chance to create another boot disk.... Does any body have any ideas how I can get this thing to boot up? I'm trying to avoid having to do a "clean" install and wipe everything out.... it's not major, just inconvenient.... :-) Thanks, Don \|/ (. .) ___ooO-(_)-Ooo___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zgobolos at 777westel.hu Fri Nov 7 10:13:15 2003 From: zgobolos at 777westel.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6b=F6l=F6s_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:13:15 +0100 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <3FAAF196.6080307@insight.rr.com> References: <2887.153.90.196.197.1068150939.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <200311062157.14573.sm6rpz@home.se> <6.0.0.22.0.20031106220616.01d94508@localhost> <3FAAF196.6080307@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1068199995.5492.4.camel@zgobolos.home> Hi! I think the ACPI stuff will solve your problem suggested by a post before. I have a clevo d470w and a SIS chipset too and ACPI works for me. I'm not sure, but if you boot from install cd with acpi=on, the installer will transport it into the grub config too. -- zg From linux at zygar.com Fri Nov 7 22:39:44 2003 From: linux at zygar.com (Ryan J. Zygar) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:39:44 -0800 Subject: Mozilla crashing In-Reply-To: <3FABCE75.60003@redhat.com> References: <1068140608.18450.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200311060811.33933.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068143241.18450.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FABCE75.60003@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068244783.4105.50.camel@AbbaZabba> Is their a bleeding edge Blizzard build repo? For people to use? From mark at mitre.org Fri Nov 7 22:41:46 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:41:46 -0500 Subject: X hangs on FC 1 install In-Reply-To: References: <3FABE49D.3070300@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3FAC1FAA.3010908@mitre.org> Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Mark Heslep wrote: > > > >>This appears to be dual head radeon related problem: >> >>Attempted a clean FC 1 install via NFS. Using a dual head card w/ two >>LCD panels attached. Install gets through the Anaconda probes for the >>video card (ATI Fire GL X1), monitor (LCD NEC 1860 ) and USB mouse and >>then hangs when the Graphical Installer starts X (killing the sync to >>the monitor). A retry with a 'linux text' install works just fine. >>Same thing then happens w/ a subsequently running system when starting X >>using the stock config file. SSH into the box shows the kernel still >>spinning and X, gdm-binary, greeter still running. The XFree log shows >>no problems (EEs). Fix: I had the 2nd NEC 1860 attached to the Fire >>GL during all this and the X log shows probing for it though obviously >>there was no dual head configuration in the XF86Config file at the >>install point. I unplugged the 2nd monitor from the Card and all is >>well; X starts w/ out any trouble. >> >> > >This problem is specific to the X1, and possibly a few other high >end cards. > I suspected that - just tried the vesa driver on the X1 w/ the same effects - XFree86 hangs w/ both panels attached and runs fine w/ one. > I have an X1, and hope to look into this problem >within the next month. Problem is, this hardware is AGP Pro, so >I hope this problem is reproduceable on Itanium, as the only >other AGP Pro mobo I have is my main workstation, and I hate >hijacking my workstation as a Franken-test-box. ;o) > > > > In the mean time where should I place efforts for a work around? Xfree snapshots? 2.6 kernel? Im using the Intel 7505 chipset which requires agp_try_unsupported=1 on the 2.4.22 kernel and I was curious if the problem was AGP related. Or is it(gasp) ATI custom drivers w/ no Xinerama? From anthony.seward at ieee.org Fri Nov 7 23:46:26 2003 From: anthony.seward at ieee.org (Anthony Joseph Seward) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:46:26 -0700 Subject: gnome-terminal default size In-Reply-To: <3FAC07E7.9070604@wilcoxon.org> References: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> <3FAC07E7.9070604@wilcoxon.org> Message-ID: <1068248785.10195.17.camel@sonylap1> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 14:00, Elliott Wilcoxon wrote: > Can't you set an alias? Or add the --geometry bit to all the launchers > you use for starting gnome-terminal. > > Elliott Wilcoxon > > Matt Whiteley wrote: > > > I changed the launcher to read 'gnome-terminal --geometry=80x52'. I > > normally use tabs, but on the occasion I do a shift+ctrl+n for a new ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Try it. > > window, which opens the default size. Is there a way of changing my > > default size without resorting to /etc/termcap and changing everyones? > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Anthony Joseph Seward From eliseo at cicei.com Fri Nov 7 15:14:44 2003 From: eliseo at cicei.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Eliseo_Carrasco_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:14:44 +0000 Subject: Mozilla/Flash/Java In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FABB6E4.2020209@cicei.com> Don wrote: > Using Mozilla, when I go to a web page ( > http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/EOS1DS/ ) that requires Flash, I can > simply click the link that takes me to the plugin place and I get it, > it installs and I can use it... works great... > > When I go to a page that needs Java, I get a little puzzle piece > displayed and when I click on that I get a message like "you need > something you don't have". > > I understand the JRE is not "open" so is not included with Fedora, but > shouldn't "get the plugin" work properly? > > I was really expecting this to be resolved with FC1, but it's still > broken. Or is this a "WONTFIX" issue? > > Don Russell > > \|/ > (. .) > ___ooO-(_)-Ooo___ > > > > My steps to install java in Linux: 1) download from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html the Linux RPM in self-extracting file (JRE) 2) It is a binary file, so chmod +x j2re-1_4_2_02-linux-i586.rpm.bin ... and ./j2re-1_4_2_02-linux-i586.rpm.bin 3) Accept the license and then you will have the j2re-1_4_2_02-linux-i586.rpm package. 4) rpm -ivh j2re-1_4_2_02-linux-i586.rpm 5) cd /usr/java 6) ln -s j2re1.4.2_02 j2re ; ln -s j2re/javaws 7) export into /etc/profile JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/j2re and add /usr/java/j2re/bin to the path, save /etc/profile and run # source /etc/profile 8) cd /usr/local/bin ; ln -s /usr/java/javaws/javaws 9) cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ; ln -s /usr/java/j2re/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so and that's all! 8) To upgrade a new j2re version it's so easy as: 1) rpm -Uvh j2re-1_4_(new_version).rpm 2) cd /usr/java 3) ln -sf j2re1.4.(new_version) j2re 4) Look if the plugin is different... From beigi at internetserver.com Fri Nov 7 23:27:53 2003 From: beigi at internetserver.com (beigi) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:27:53 -0500 Subject: Pine Message-ID: <20031107232753.14679.qmail@server11.internetserver.com> Has anyone been able to build pine on Fedora? I have been getting all kinds of errors where it is having trouble finding the SSL, etc. I have used, build lnx and it proposed using build slx Neither have been successful. I have tried passing the path to the openssl libraries and headers through the build command and it still does not work. Thanks, Homayoon |=============================================================== | Dr. Homayoon S.M. Beigi | Vice President,Research and Development | Internet Server Connections, Inc. | 300 Hamilton Avenue, Suite 411, White Plains, NY 10601 | 3616 Edgehill Road, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598-1104 |_______________________________________________________________ | EMail: beigi at internetserver.com | http://www.InternetServer.com/beigi | | Telephone: +1-914-288-0029 Ext. 201 Fax: +1-914-243-4965 |=============================================================== From beigi at internetserver.com Fri Nov 7 23:27:53 2003 From: beigi at internetserver.com (beigi) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:27:53 -0500 Subject: Pine Message-ID: <20031107232753.14679.qmail@server11.internetserver.com> Has anyone been able to build pine on Fedora? I have been getting all kinds of errors where it is having trouble finding the SSL, etc. I have used, build lnx and it proposed using build slx Neither have been successful. I have tried passing the path to the openssl libraries and headers through the build command and it still does not work. Thanks, Homayoon |=============================================================== | Dr. Homayoon S.M. Beigi | Vice President,Research and Development | Internet Server Connections, Inc. | 300 Hamilton Avenue, Suite 411, White Plains, NY 10601 | 3616 Edgehill Road, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598-1104 |_______________________________________________________________ | EMail: beigi at internetserver.com | http://www.InternetServer.com/beigi | | Telephone: +1-914-288-0029 Ext. 201 Fax: +1-914-243-4965 |=============================================================== From fedora-list at planetmirror.com Fri Nov 7 02:53:26 2003 From: fedora-list at planetmirror.com (Dan Goodes) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:53:26 +1000 (EST) Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: <3FAAF196.6080307@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: I found that the shutdown button didnt actually power off my laptop unless I had "acpi=on" in my grub.conf line. (tag it on the end of your "kernel" line). --Dan On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: > Ketil Hage wrote: > > i have some trouble with fedora core1 on my laptop. > > > > 1.whenever i try to logout from gnome the laptop just hangs/freezes. > > 2. halt and reboot won't work at all, never did on beta or 3 either. > > (the laptop won't power off) > > > > anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? > > > > thanx > > > > kh > > > > /sbin/shutdown -h 0 > > Run this as root, this will shutdown the power also. > Using either reboot and halt don't power off machines, at least for me. > > Jim > > -- Regards, Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 00:34:25 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:34:25 -0800 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop References: Message-ID: <003601c3a590$11300820$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> Go into the BIOS and check the power managament section. Sometimes Redhat did not turn off my computer when I was to install all the software and by working on the power management I was able to turn off by itself, Suse does the same when you install under safe setting, the only one that does not have that kind of problem is Mandrake and Libranet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Goodes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: some problems with core1 on laptop > I found that the shutdown button didnt actually power off my laptop unless > I had "acpi=on" in my grub.conf line. (tag it on the end of your "kernel" > line). > > > --Dan > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: > > > Ketil Hage wrote: > > > i have some trouble with fedora core1 on my laptop. > > > > > > 1.whenever i try to logout from gnome the laptop just hangs/freezes. > > > 2. halt and reboot won't work at all, never did on beta or 3 either. > > > (the laptop won't power off) > > > > > > anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > kh > > > > > > > /sbin/shutdown -h 0 > > > > Run this as root, this will shutdown the power also. > > Using either reboot and halt don't power off machines, at least for me. > > > > Jim > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com > > Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive > by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From balay at fastmail.fm Sat Nov 8 00:49:03 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:49:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Pine In-Reply-To: <20031107232753.14679.qmail@server11.internetserver.com> References: <20031107232753.14679.qmail@server11.internetserver.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, beigi wrote: > Has anyone been able to build pine on Fedora? Yes, You can grab the rpm from ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/pine/4.58-2/i386/pine-4.58-2.i386.rpm Satish From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Nov 7 10:14:50 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:14:50 +0200 (EET) Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: <1068151062.9761.0.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, seth vidal wrote: > > > Odd. I only looked into Fedora in the first place to use apt-rpm. > > I'm quite surprised to hear that it's not yet officially supported. As a > > long-time Debian user, it made me feel very comfortable on an rpm-based > > distro. > > Any good comparisons of the two? Can I install based on pathname, > > libname in yum? Is the search facility as good as "apt-cache"? > > yum search and yum provides I think Michael meant this: [root at localhost pmatilai]# apt-get install libgphoto2.so.2 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Note, selecting gphoto2 instead of libgphoto2.so.2 The following NEW packages will be installed: gphoto2 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 646kB of archives. After unpacking 2177kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://linox 4.0/i386/RedHat/main gphoto2 2.1.0-7 [646kB] Fetched 646kB in 2s (287kB/s) Checking GPG signatures... Executing RPM (-Uvh)... Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:gphoto2 ########################################### [100%] [root at localhost pmatilai]# The deal here is that apt considers every "provides" as a package (a "virtual package" in apt terminology). As long as there's only one package providing something it automatically installs that, otherwise it makes you choose one from available variants. - Panu - From michael_soulier at mitel.com Sat Nov 8 01:10:47 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:10:47 -0500 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO Message-ID: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> Hey people, I while back I installed RedHat 8.0 on my Sony VAIO, and it automagickally detected my pcmcia CD-ROM with no problems at all. I was quite disappointed to find that FC1 failed to do so. When prompted to select a driver for it, none of the pcmcia drivers on the list worked. We would seem to need a little regression in this release for laptops. Let me know if I can help. Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From declinton at sympatico.ca Fri Nov 7 14:09:54 2003 From: declinton at sympatico.ca (Douglas Clinton) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:09:54 -0500 Subject: Download of Fedora Core 1 via mirror server In-Reply-To: <200311060953.59140.x1svewah@stud.slu.se> References: <200311060953.59140.x1svewah@stud.slu.se> Message-ID: <20031107090954.2ed7cc61.declinton@sympatico.ca> On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:53:59 +0100 Sven Wahl wrote: > > Dear folks, > > On the Fedora Project website, the primary donload location for > Fedora Core 1 is specified as: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/iso/ > > > However, the present mirrors that have been used for Red Hat Linux, > Fedora Core test releases etc. so far synchronise against: > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/ > > > How is this supposed to be? > Will there be special mirror servers for Fedora Core? > > ... wonders Sven > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Here is the big list O' mirrors...enjoy! http://www.xades.com/proj/fedora_repos.html -- Douglas Clinton declinton at sympatico.ca www.dblsys.ca From david.balazic at hermes.si Fri Nov 7 09:19:34 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:19:34 +0100 Subject: CD audio Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E4@piramida.hermes.si> Audio CDs ( CD-DA ) are not played like the other sounds, but in a special, different way ( which is idiotic, IMO ). It is done by a DAC chip in the CD unit itself, and its output is connected by a special cable with the sound-cards analog input, labeled as CD-IN. The sound is also available on the headphone connector on the front of the CD unit. So when you try to play an audio CD and nothing is heard, does the CD spin ? Is the LED on the CD unit lit or blinking ? Did you try to connect a headphone to the CD unit ? If the answer is yes, then you are either missing the cable I mentioned ( between CD unit and souncard ) or maybe the audio mixer settings have the CD-IN line muted ( or low volume ). Xine probably works, because it read the data from the CD and then sends it to the soundcard, as it is done for the rest of sound types. So to summarise : - check the CD<->soundcard cable - check mixer (volume) settings for the CD_in line - use software that works ( Xine ) :-) Regards, David > ---------- > From: Mike Lurk[SMTP:mike.lurk at sympatico.ca] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 6. november 2003 18:01 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: CD audio > > There is something I just found out, it my be just me, CD audio does not > work on my Fedora. I see the CD and all but there is no sound at all. > The only way the audio CD's play at all is with Xine. CD audio player > does not work. Same with Xmms. Am I missing something. Sound is working > every where else. > > The CD does not mount, which is normal, I get the track info but no > sound when playing. I have tried a few CD's and same thing. MP3's work, > OGG Vorbis works. I must be missing something, but if I was it wouldn't > work in Xine. I can still rip the CD's using Grip or Sound Juicer. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Mike > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mmuller at lbcons.net Fri Nov 7 09:23:58 2003 From: mmuller at lbcons.net (=?iso-8859-2?Q?M=FCller_Mikl=F3s?=) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:23:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: tuxracer missing from fc1 In-Reply-To: <200311061906.35167.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <64120.193.110.58.52.1068114599.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> <200311061906.35167.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <33055.62.68.172.4.1068197038.squirrel@rabin.hdsnet.hu> can you please compare your dic2/.discinfo file with mine? 1067903218.245772 Fedora Core 1 i386 2 Fedora/base Fedora/RPMS Fedora/pixmaps Thanks: Miklos > M?ller Mikl?s kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika Torstai 6. Marraskuuta > 2003 12:29): >> Tuxracer is missing from the release cd of Fedora Core 1. >> It should be in disc2/Fedora/RPMS, but it is not. > > It's on my disc2, and was installed normally. Your disc is broken or you > didn't look carefully enough. > > -- > Markku Kolkka > markku.kolkka at iki.fi > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mark at mitre.org Fri Nov 7 04:20:35 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:20:35 -0500 Subject: X hangs on FC 1 install Message-ID: <3FAB1D93.7000502@mitre.org> This appears to be another dual head radeon problem: Clean FC 1 install via NFS isos. Gets through the Anaconda video (ATI Fire GL X1), monitor (LCD NEC 1860 ) and USB mouse probes and then when the Graphical Installer starts X hands killing the sync to the monitor. A retry with a 'linux text' install works just fine. Same thing now happens w/ a subsequently running system when starting X using the stock config file. SSH into the box shows the kernel still spinning and X, gdm-binary still running. The XFree log shows no problems. Fix: I had a 2nd NEC 1860 attached to the Fire GL during all this and the X log shows probing for it as well though obviously there was no dual head configuration in the XF86Config file at this poing. Remove the 2nd monitor fromt the Card and all is well. -mark From david.balazic at hermes.si Fri Nov 7 09:25:58 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:25:58 +0100 Subject: OT, questionable licenses RE: mp3 support Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E6@piramida.hermes.si> > ---------- > From: nosp[SMTP:nosp at xades.com] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 6. november 2003 21:32 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: mp3 support > > On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:53, Antti wrote: > > What package do I need to listen mp3s with rhythmbox? > > MP3 support isn't distributed because of license concerns. Please try to > use of a free audio format like ogg (http://www.vorbis.com/), which is > already available on multiple platforms (including windows) if at all > possible. This way we will hasten the adoption of these formats and be > able to enjoy music without concerns :). > > If you must use MP3s for some reason, you can buy a player or have to get > the mp3 libraries from places of questionable legality: > Questionable only at places with questionable laws. AFAIK the only problem with MP3 are software patents, which are valid in USA and some places, but not everywhere. In EU ( == europe :-) ) SW patents are not legal. I think. But only a lawyer can tell that for sure, I guess ... > Step 1) prepare to get questionable libraries: see below for editing your > /etc/yum.conf file > Step 2) install questionable libraries: run "yum install libmad xmms-mp3" > > If you just installed Fedora, use yum to get the packages by adding these > lines to the end of your /etc/yum.conf: > > --- add to /etc/yum.conf > [livna-stable] > name=Livna 3rd party packages with questionable licenses -- use at your > own risk > baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/0.95/i386/yum/stable > --- > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From kissg at dataminer.hu Fri Nov 7 09:09:37 2003 From: kissg at dataminer.hu (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Kiss_G=E1bor?=) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:09:37 +0100 Subject: kylix question Message-ID: <001f01c3a50e$deb73660$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Dear All, does anybody have experience, how kylix 3 is working under Fedora? Thanx G?bor From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Nov 7 12:47:31 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:47:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, sean darcy wrote: > I'm running up2date in text mode. When I run wihout --nosig, I get an error > that I need to > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY > > So I do. Run up2date, get the same error. > > Do I need to import some other key? > > In any event, the error message needs some help. See #109387. I just hit this as well. The problem is that the key for fedora is apparently /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora, but up2date wasn't updated to import that (in the gui) and the error messages weren't updated (in the tui) rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora will solve the problem later, chris From jtorres at cepes.org.pe Fri Nov 7 01:14:41 2003 From: jtorres at cepes.org.pe (Jaime Torres) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:14:41 -0500 Subject: VNC: Using keyboard stops remote desktop Message-ID: <1068167681.21031.36.camel@pisanlov.cepes.org.pe> Hi! I'm using vncserver 4.0-0.beta4.3 (FC1) to bring a remote X session to my MS-Windows clients. They can open the connection, use their mouse as they wish, open applications, etc. Then, when any key is used (in any application) the keyboard and mouse hangs. They can disconnect, login again and use the mouse as long as the don't hit any key. This doesn't happen when using 3.3.3r2-47 (RH9). I reinstalled that previous version and everything is working now. What can be happening here? Jaime From dgenn at rogers.com Sat Nov 8 02:02:38 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:02:38 -0500 Subject: Kernel compiles with Fedora Core 1? Message-ID: <20031108020208.ZRMV406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Has anyone had kernel compile errors with Fedora Core 1? I am trying to compile using the stock config file for i686. I ran make mrproper first then copied the config file as .config from the configs dir to /usr/src/linux-2.4. I edited the version info in Makefile. Whenever I run make dep, I always get errors. Am I missing something here? Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at interplas.com Sat Nov 8 02:09:32 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:09:32 -0500 Subject: kylix question In-Reply-To: <001f01c3a50e$deb73660$0401a8c0@pclaptop> References: <001f01c3a50e$deb73660$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Message-ID: <1068257372.3408.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 04:09, Kiss G??bor wrote: > Dear All, > > does anybody have experience, how kylix 3 is working under Fedora? There were issues with Kylix 3 under RH 9 that were never resolved. I bought Kylix 1 and 2 and liked the product. Too bad they (Borland) don't know what to do with it right now. I hope that get busy on it again soon. I think one of the major turn-offs of Kylix is that the IDE ran under wine. This just didn't say "we're committed to Linux". Nothing against wine, it's just I prefer not to develop under something that is not native to Linux to begin with. -eric wood From david.balazic at hermes.si Fri Nov 7 09:21:15 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:21:15 +0100 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E5@piramida.hermes.si> And in the headers : List-Unsubscribe: , ;-) > ---------- > From: Elton Woo[SMTP:elwoo at videotron.ca] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 6. november 2003 14:38 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: (no subject) > > On November 6, 2003 01:07 pm, Marcos , > > wrote: > > Please unsubscribe my e-mail from the fedora mailing list > > ... at the bottom of EVERY message in this list: ----> > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > <*BEEP*> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list <* BEEP*> > > > <* BEEP*><* BEEP*><* BEEP*> > > ( ... sorry, can't do it in flashing neon green....) <*chuckle*> > > Elton ;-) > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From grant at tuins.ac.jp Fri Nov 7 05:34:19 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:34:19 +0900 Subject: Installation screenshots still possible in Core 1? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAB2EDB.2060400@tuins.ac.jp> Is it still possible to take screenshots of the installation process in Core 1? tried out shift /prntScrn, but nothing seemed to happen. rg From grant at tuins.ac.jp Fri Nov 7 13:08:38 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 22:08:38 +0900 Subject: installation screenshots in Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAB9956.4020302@tuins.ac.jp> Isn't it possible to take screenshots during the installation process anymore in Core 1? I tried Shit+PrtScrn, as it was in tests 1-3, but nothing this time around. rg From akabi at speakeasy.net Fri Nov 7 19:00:48 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:00:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: installation of additional packages In-Reply-To: <1068229486.10618.32.camel@dimension> References: <1068220582.10456.13.camel@dimension> <200311072001.52488@-mr700> <1068229486.10618.32.camel@dimension> Message-ID: On Nov 7, 2003 at 18:24, Albert DE WINT in a soothing rage wrote: > >> Can you 'mount -o loop,ro /mnt/mandrake/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom' ? > >No, I can't, this is what it says: > ># mount -o loop,ro /dev/hda6/yarrow/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso /mnt/cdrom >/dev/hda6/yarrow/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso: Not a directory > >I can mount my Mandrake partition the 'usual' way, and then browse it. >(I know for sure /dev/hda6/yarrow does exist) > ># mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/mandrake try: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt/mandrake/yarrow-i386-disc1.iso \ /mnt/cdrom N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Don't interfere with the stranger's style. 13:59:36 up 75 days, 2:34, 6 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 From eliseo at cicei.com Fri Nov 7 14:50:05 2003 From: eliseo at cicei.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Eliseo_Carrasco_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:50:05 +0000 Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FABB11D.3030008@cicei.com> sean darcy wrote: > I'm running up2date in text mode. When I run wihout --nosig, I get an > error that I need to > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY > > So I do. Run up2date, get the same error. > > Do I need to import some other key? > > In any event, the error message needs some help. > > sean > > _________________________________________________________________ > >> From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always >> playing > > on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > You have to install all the keys you can find into the rawhide directory in ftp.redhat.com (mirrors too) From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Nov 8 02:44:13 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:44:13 -0600 Subject: installation screenshots in Core 1 In-Reply-To: <3FAB9956.4020302@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3FAB9956.4020302@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1068259453.5618.86.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 07:08, rg wrote: > Isn't it possible to take screenshots during the installation process > anymore in Core 1? I tried Shit+PrtScrn, as it was in tests 1-3, but > nothing this time around. > The Release Notes indicate that works. I didn't try it. Have you looked in /root/anaconda-screenshots/ for the results of your tries? Gerry From nmarsh1 at mac.com Sat Nov 8 04:12:12 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nicholas Marsh) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:12:12 -0600 Subject: Laptop + anaconda == problems Message-ID: I can't get anaconda to start because X crashes every time it tries to load (XIO: fatal IO error 104). Is this a known issue? Anaconda worked on the same laptop in RH9. How can I get anaconda to load in low rez mode? Thanks. From jcsitte at staticnull.org Sat Nov 8 04:35:14 2003 From: jcsitte at staticnull.org (Jonathan C. Sitte) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:35:14 -0500 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <3FAC7282.3090607@staticnull.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael P. Soulier wrote: | Hey people, | | I while back I installed RedHat 8.0 on my Sony VAIO, and it | automagickally detected my pcmcia CD-ROM with no problems at all. I was | quite disappointed to find that FC1 failed to do so. When prompted to | select a driver for it, none of the pcmcia drivers on the list worked. | | We would seem to need a little regression in this release for | laptops. Let me know if I can help. I had a simular issue with FC1 from RH9. Memory stick on my Sony PCG-V505BX was not recognized from install. I had to manually add it in my fstab. - -- Jonathan C. Sitte -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/rHKCA60L5My8BKQRAtS0AJ4gUsO/ePNZYb6+JFj0QxrONt2dFQCeI6n1 ee4L1Dih3OrqZ6BkDvW3A7o= =ES2C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: fstab URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Nov 8 07:46:27 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 02:46:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: <20031107034311.GC27306@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Brent Fox wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:09:52PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > > Ok, so is fedora-list the place to discuss Fedora Core issues with the > > official release instead of the beta list? > > Yes. In theory, there should be very little traffic on > fedora-test-list until Fedora Core test 1 is released. huh? the above is contradictory. now that FC1 is out, which is the right place to talk about it? there seems to be little sense in being a member of both fedora and fedora-test, unless they have clearly different mandates with respect to FC1. rday From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 8 08:09:50 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:09:50 -0600 Subject: Kernel compiles with Fedora Core 1? In-Reply-To: <20031108020208.ZRMV406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031108020208.ZRMV406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <1068278990.3154.214.camel@ByteEnable> are you getting an error about "active_load_balance" ? If so, around line 217 in sched.c, move the "static inline void active_load_balance(runqueue_t *rq, int this_cpu) { }" out of the ifdefine loop, just below the #endif like this: # define rq_nr_cpus(rq) 1 #endif static inline void active_load_balance(runqueue_t *rq, int this_cpu) { } Byte On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 20:02, DanG wrote: > Has anyone had kernel compile errors with Fedora Core 1? I am trying > to compile using the stock config file for i686. I ran make mrproper > first then copied the config file as .config from the configs dir to > /usr/src/linux-2.4. I edited the version info in Makefile. Whenever I > run make dep, I always get errors. Am I missing something here? > > > > Dan > > From florian_bachmann at t-online.de Sat Nov 8 09:21:16 2003 From: florian_bachmann at t-online.de (Florian Bachmann) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:21:16 +0100 Subject: gnome-terminal default size In-Reply-To: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> References: <1068184476.6251.7.camel@atlas.gotdns.org> Message-ID: <3FACB58C.8010705@t-online.de> Matt Whiteley schrieb: >I changed the launcher to read 'gnome-terminal --geometry=80x52'. I >normally use tabs, but on the occasion I do a shift+ctrl+n for a new >window, which opens the default size. Is there a way of changing my >default size without resorting to /etc/termcap and changing everyones? > >thanks, > > > Hi Matt, Maybe you should have a look at konsole, the KDE project's terminal emulator. It has the functionality you want, better tab navigation than gnome-terminal, and lots of other nice features. I use konsole both in KDE and in GNOME, but thats just me. Regards From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Nov 8 10:18:48 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 08 Nov 2003 08:18:48 -0200 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 8, 2003, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > huh? the above is contradictory. now that FC1 is out, which is > the right place to talk about it? there seems to be little sense > in being a member of both fedora and fedora-test, unless they have > clearly different mandates with respect to FC1. http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ says: # fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases Since FC1 is not a test release, fedora-test-list is not the right forum to talk about it. fedora-list is. But read again what Brent Fox wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Brent Fox wrote: > Yes. In theory, there should be very little traffic on > fedora-test-list until Fedora Core test 1 is released. ^^^^ He meant the first test release of the next release cycle. Not Fedora Core 1. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From bruma at email.si Sat Nov 8 10:29:54 2003 From: bruma at email.si (b r u ma) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:29:54 +0100 Subject: What partition type for large partitions? Message-ID: <1068287393.2967.2.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> hi, This is perhaps not appropriate question for fedora-test-list at redhat.com list, but I don't where else to ask... I'm installing Fedora Core 1 to my new hard drive (120G) :), and I want to have one larger partition approx 85G as logical drive. What type (ext2, ext3, reiser) would be best solution, so that I don't waste to much space on slack? regards bruma From gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net Sat Nov 8 10:38:12 2003 From: gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net (Jurgen Kramer) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:38:12 +0100 Subject: GNOME battery applet eats CPU In-Reply-To: <1068234700.4599.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068210742.1546.4.camel@paragon.slim> <1068234700.4599.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1068287892.1546.0.camel@paragon.slim> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 20:51, Lauri Jutila wrote: > Hello Jurgen, > > You might want to check out Mike Hardy's "Linux on Dell Latitude D800" > page that has a patch for the battery applet. By default the applet > seems to check battery status every second (I don't know why :)), but > Mike's patch makes it to check status every 30 seconds. > > You can find Mike's page at http://mikehardy.net/linux_latitude_d800/ > > Regards, OK, thanks. I will check it out. From tim_kossack at web.de Sat Nov 8 10:55:35 2003 From: tim_kossack at web.de (Tim Kossack) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:55:35 +0100 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <1068288884.1729.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Sam, den 08.11.2003 schrieb Michael P. Soulier um 02:10: > Hey people, > > I while back I installed RedHat 8.0 on my Sony VAIO, and it > automagickally detected my pcmcia CD-ROM with no problems at all. I was > quite disappointed to find that FC1 failed to do so. When prompted to > select a driver for it, none of the pcmcia drivers on the list worked. i've a sony vaio z600lek (also with pccard-cdrom), and i was also pleasantly surprised that rh8 detected and installed from it flawlessly. sadly, rh9 didn't recognize it at installation, and i can't use/mount it under rh9/xd2 (as well as the usb-floppy-got rh9 going via hd-install). i had hoped that this would get fixed in rh10/fc1/2 (someone filed a bugreport), but obviously it didn't. i've seen that in the fc1-release-notes there's a passage about installation on vaio-notebooks: "Some Sony VAIO? notebook systems may experience problems installing Fedora Core from CD-ROM. If this happens, restart the installation process and add the following option to the boot command line: pci=off ide1=0x180,0x386 This option allows the installation to proceed normally; any devices not detected due to the use of this option will be configured the first time Fedora Core is booted." does someone know if this works (i won't install fc1)? From tim_kossack at web.de Sat Nov 8 10:55:39 2003 From: tim_kossack at web.de (Tim Kossack) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:55:39 +0100 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <1068288935.1647.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Sam, den 08.11.2003 schrieb Michael P. Soulier um 02:10: > Hey people, > > I while back I installed RedHat 8.0 on my Sony VAIO, and it > automagickally detected my pcmcia CD-ROM with no problems at all. I was > quite disappointed to find that FC1 failed to do so. When prompted to > select a driver for it, none of the pcmcia drivers on the list worked. i've a sony vaio z600lek (also with pccard-cdrom), and i was also pleasantly surprised that rh8 detected and installed from it flawlessly. sadly, rh9 didn't recognize it at installation, and i can't use/mount it under rh9/xd2 (as well as the usb-floppy-got rh9 going via hd-install). i had hoped that this would get fixed in rh10/fc1/2 (someone filed a bugreport), but obviously it didn't. i've seen that in the fc1-release-notes there's a passage about installation on vaio-notebooks: "Some Sony VAIO? notebook systems may experience problems installing Fedora Core from CD-ROM. If this happens, restart the installation process and add the following option to the boot command line: pci=off ide1=0x180,0x386 This option allows the installation to proceed normally; any devices not detected due to the use of this option will be configured the first time Fedora Core is booted." does someone know if this works (i won't install fc1)? From r.pallucchini at palluk.ig3.net Sat Nov 8 11:06:13 2003 From: r.pallucchini at palluk.ig3.net (roberto pallucchini) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:06:13 +0100 Subject: What partition type for large partitions? References: <1068287393.2967.2.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> Message-ID: <3FACCE25.9010904@palluk.ig3.net> i don't think is a good idea to use ext2, i mean ext3 or reiserFS is better, there are a journaled fs but ext2 no. ReiserFS is more faster than ext3 because ext3 is more complex to the fs system tracking and controlling. ReiserFS tracking a part of FS transaction. I mean if you use it in a server ext3 is better but you must have a good hd for have more performance! I use ext3 for both my pc, i haven't a very quick PC!! but work well... bye Roberto b r u ma wrote: >hi, >This is perhaps not appropriate question for fedora-test-list at redhat.com >list, but I don't where else to ask... >I'm installing Fedora Core 1 to my new hard drive (120G) :), and I want >to have one larger partition approx 85G as logical drive. > >What type (ext2, ext3, reiser) would be best solution, so that I don't >waste to much space on slack? > >regards bruma > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- /** * Roberto Pallucchini * * e-mail: r.pallucchini at palluk.ig3.net * web : www.palluk.ig3.net */ $Id: Poewred by Fedora Core 1 From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Nov 8 12:21:54 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:21:54 +0000 Subject: kylix question In-Reply-To: <001f01c3a50e$deb73660$0401a8c0@pclaptop> References: <001f01c3a50e$deb73660$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Message-ID: <1068294114.19105.3.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > does anybody have experience, how kylix 3 is working under Fedora? Installed it at 1am this morning. Removed it at 2am - it worked but is utterly horrible. Use Qt, GTK+ or wxWindows... TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From twaugh at redhat.com Sat Nov 8 12:57:57 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:57:57 +0000 Subject: VNC: Using keyboard stops remote desktop In-Reply-To: <1068167681.21031.36.camel@pisanlov.cepes.org.pe> References: <1068167681.21031.36.camel@pisanlov.cepes.org.pe> Message-ID: <20031108125756.GC23261@redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:14:41PM -0500, Jaime Torres wrote: > What can be happening here? This is in bugzilla -- please add yourself to the CC list so that you can test a fix when it appears. Thanks, Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Odd, since RH5.0-7.3 installed fine... hardware is: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX Host bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX AGP bridge 02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U2/U2W / 7890/7891 02:06.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7860 (rev 03) Does FC1 support the above? If so, any kernel commands to pass before install? Again, this works great on the earlier kernels. Thanks! ~Alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rPbmi6NlI+CoSzsRAu44AJ95UkKLYwQeTxibkmdnUU+6sBnjhwCgkUHS wEWPZaDYuD06L7knpalYU/s= =d+D9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sat Nov 8 14:16:16 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:16:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: <3FACF6E6.20607@alexevon.org> References: <3FACF6E6.20607@alexevon.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Alex F. Evonosky wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > My servers have been running RH7.3 for awhile, since we could not > upgrade to RH9.0 due to some issues in RH9.0 . Last night, we tried > to migrate to FC1, and the screen showed that it was loading the AIC > 7xxxx SCSI module (for the hard drives and CDROM), and then it loaded > the megaraid module. From there, I get " there are no hard drives > detected".. Odd, since RH5.0-7.3 installed fine... hardware is: > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX Host bridge > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX AGP bridge > > 02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U2/U2W / 7890/7891 > 02:06.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7860 (rev 03) > > > Does FC1 support the above? If so, any kernel commands to pass > before install? Someone broke it again!! :-( Hopefully it will get fixed soon. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109346 From alan at redhat.com Sat Nov 8 15:28:00 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:28:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: from "Tom Diehl" at Tach 08, 2003 09:16:16 Message-ID: <200311081528.hA8FS0G23546@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Someone broke it again!! :-( Hopefully it will get fixed soon. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109346 Sorry that was my fault ;) There is a fix in bugzilla From bfox at redhat.com Sat Nov 8 15:57:38 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:57:38 -0500 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031108155738.GA30262@redhat.com> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:18:48AM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 8, 2003, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > > huh? the above is contradictory. now that FC1 is out, which is > > the right place to talk about it? there seems to be little sense > > in being a member of both fedora and fedora-test, unless they have > > clearly different mandates with respect to FC1. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ says: > > # fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases > # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases > > Since FC1 is not a test release, fedora-test-list is not the right > forum to talk about it. fedora-list is. > > But read again what Brent Fox wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Brent Fox wrote: > > > Yes. In theory, there should be very little traffic on > > fedora-test-list until Fedora Core test 1 is released. > ^^^^ > > He meant the first test release of the next release cycle. Not Fedora > Core 1. Yes, I meant to say that Fedora Core 2 test 1 would be the next release to talk about on fedora-test-list. Sorry for the mixup. Cheers, Brent From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 16:06:44 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (marcos colome) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:06:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fedora 1 Intallation and post installation Message-ID: <20031108160644.84195.qmail@web80505.mail.yahoo.com> I was able to install Fedora Core 1 and It selected custom and everything was installed perfectly, only two mistakes were indicated when it was installing KDE, but I retry again and they were installed, all three CD disks were installed on a Pentium 4, 800 FSD, using a 875PE intel chipset, with Paralell IDE hard drive, and one SATA HD. I have tested for several hours and it had worked perfectly, much better than RedHat 9. The only thing is that it installed using 640X 840 resolution and the fonts shown on the GRUB background are a little bigger than 600X800 ,it is fine. I did install the Nvidia drivers and I was able to adjust the resolution of the Video Card. When I use Konqueror browser and I go to a Spanish Website the letters are not complete, sometimes the letter "a", or "d" become a square box, but if I use Mozilla browser it will display all the letters of the alphabets perfectly, Redhat had the same problem in prior versions, I did not have kind of problems with Suse, Mandrake, or Libranet, but it can be corrected by adjusting KDE . Frankly I prefer this version to the prior versions of Redhat including RH9, it has very nice colors and it is fast, it will make errors because it has not been perfected yet. I would like to take the opportunity to congratulate the developers of the Fedora Project and Redhat for the job that they have done. At the beginning of the move made by Redhat I thought that they were turning the back on the consumers and the public but now I am able to see the directions, probably Fedora can become one of the best Linux desktop and probably the biggest competitor of Microsoft Windows. Redhat is doing what they do best: Servers and business software, and they have passed the challengers to us, to make a better desktop software. I think that instead of critizing Fedora for any little mistake or errors it is better to help them to correct it and report the bugs in a proper manner. All the developers are doing this job because they love Linux and want to put their creativity into practice, we should give them more incentives to continue working and doing a better job, if they have to do two or three releases every year, that is fine with me, it will mean that they are working to make a better project and are trying to go according to the development of the Kernell, KDE, Gnome, etc. I was also able to install Fedora on a dual processors enviroment and it works perfect, it did not make any errors during the installation as it did with one single processor and it is running like a champion, it looks very professional and very stable. I had certain difficulties to download the 3 CD iso, because the website sometimes was not connecting, but probably it was overloaded, I did not have any problem to correct them using Roxio 6, since I downloaded into a Microsoft windows box, the disk #1 booted properly ( 640X800 resolution ) I have Suse 9 professional in another computer and I honestly prefer Fedora, it has better Fonts and it makes less mistakes and it is faster and it is much better than Windows XP professional in all aspects, at least we do not have to go thru the interrogation made by Microsoft after you pay $300.OO for a software that is not yours, you are justing renting the license. My congratulation to the developers of FEDORA. Marcos From update at alexevon.org Sat Nov 8 16:13:24 2003 From: update at alexevon.org (Alex F. Evonosky) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:13:24 -0500 Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: <200311081528.hA8FS0G23546@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311081528.hA8FS0G23546@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FAD1624.5000901@alexevon.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Really? Can you post the URL for this? I looked at the URL below, and its close to the issues I see as well. Alan Cox wrote: >>Someone broke it again!! :-( Hopefully it will get fixed soon. >> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109346 > > >Sorry that was my fault ;) > >There is a fix in bugzilla > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rRYki6NlI+CoSzsRAinOAKCVRasNmlGoRix8/xn10qWdZr/onACdGBb8 fcYdaacEd4Im9V9Z/5edZLs= =XFhg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Nov 8 16:30:05 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:30:05 +0100 Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID References: <200311081528.hA8FS0G23546@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FAD1624.5000901@alexevon.org> Message-ID: <3FAD1A0D.9000702@wanadoo.es> Alex F. Evonosky wrote: > Really? Can you post the URL for this? I looked at the URL below, > and its close to the issues I see as well. Did you update to latest HW firmware ? http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103583 -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From alan at redhat.com Sat Nov 8 17:37:48 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:37:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: <3FAD1624.5000901@alexevon.org> from "Alex F. Evonosky" at Tach 08, 2003 11:13:24 Message-ID: <200311081737.hA8Hbm132331@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Really? Can you post the URL for this? I looked at the URL below, > and its close to the issues I see as well. If you havea 440GX board and FC1 you may get IRQ routing problems. I managed to type a 440 as 450 somewhere and it didnt get caught in time. From alan at redhat.com Sat Nov 8 17:44:03 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:44:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: What partition type for large partitions? In-Reply-To: <1068287393.2967.2.camel@kiklop.klopce.net> from "b r u ma" at Tach 08, 2003 11:29:54 Message-ID: <200311081744.hA8Hi3S02275@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I'm installing Fedora Core 1 to my new hard drive (120G) :), and I want > to have one larger partition approx 85G as logical drive. > > What type (ext2, ext3, reiser) would be best solution, so that I don't > waste to much space on slack? Ext2 will take forever to fsck, reiser and ext3 should be just fine. Once you get above 1-2Tb per fs (which needs 2.6 anyway) it gets a bit more complex because ext3 doesn't scale forever. From mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl Sat Nov 8 17:58:22 2003 From: mwb at nullo.neostrada.pl (MWB) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:58:22 +0100 Subject: QT issue Message-ID: <1068313701.3034.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello! I have a problem with compiled applications like: vyqchat 0.1.1 - Vyppres Chat (www.vypress.com) compatible client for Linux Psi 0.9 - jabber client (psi.affinix.com) Both compilated without any errors. [cut] [mwb at localhost mwb]$ vyqchat vyqchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: _ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc [/cut] [cut] [mwb at localhost soft]$ psi & [2] 4186 [mwb at localhost soft]$ psi: relocation error: /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: _ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc [2]+ Exit 127 psi [/cut] It appears also in applications from rpms like: imgSeek-0.8.2-1.i386.rpm [cut] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/imgSeekLib/ImgDB.py", line 51, in ? import imgdb ImportError: /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: _ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc [/cut] [mwb at localhost soft]$ rpm -qa | grep qt qt-MySQL-3.1.2-14 qt-3.1.2-14 qt-devel-3.1.2-14 I can't figure out what's wrong? _ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc - this is something mysterious for me ;) From update at alexevon.org Sat Nov 8 19:19:21 2003 From: update at alexevon.org (Alex F. Evonosky) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:19:21 -0500 Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: <200311081737.hA8Hbm132331@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311081737.hA8Hbm132331@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FAD41B9.1080606@alexevon.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Understood, but was there a fix? or is there one coming in an updated release? I really want to upgrade our servers to FC1 (and some to RHEL) and get off of RH7.3, but this is really holding us back. specs: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX Host bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX AGP bridge 02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U2/U2W / 7890/7891 02:06.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7860 (rev 03) Thanks! ~Alex Alan Cox wrote: >>Really? Can you post the URL for this? I looked at the URL below, >>and its close to the issues I see as well. > > >If you havea 440GX board and FC1 you may get IRQ routing problems. I >managed to type a 440 as 450 somewhere and it didnt get caught in time. > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rUG4i6NlI+CoSzsRAn9OAJ0VxOM+/Am3Tutn1skkVfS4/mBIkwCggZ7F 6Rx+FUrb52sf50xOD6Baobs= =dEsb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rnix at prometheon.net Fri Nov 7 17:13:02 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:13:02 -0600 Subject: Sound card problems Message-ID: <1068225182.2216.20.camel@Symphonet> I think this has been listed before, but the sound card keeps getting locked up on Fedora RC1. Is there a way to restart the sound card or service until this is fixed? From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 22:38:37 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:38:37 -0800 Subject: Sound card problems References: <1068225182.2216.20.camel@Symphonet> Message-ID: <000901c3a649$0e1ef880$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> What kind of Sound Card you are using? Is it on board sound? It works fine with Creative Sound Card and AC 97. Try to re-configure the sound card again. I have been playing music while I am working without any problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Nix" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Sound card problems > I think this has been listed before, but the sound card keeps getting > locked up on Fedora RC1. Is there a way to restart the sound card or > service until this is fixed? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From rnix at prometheon.net Sat Nov 8 22:45:55 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 16:45:55 -0600 Subject: Sound card problems In-Reply-To: <000901c3a649$0e1ef880$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> References: <1068225182.2216.20.camel@Symphonet> <000901c3a649$0e1ef880$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> Message-ID: <3FAD7223.4030402@prometheon.net> Its the integrated card found on most Dell laptops. Marcos wrote: >What kind of Sound Card you are using? Is it on board >sound? It works fine with Creative Sound Card and AC >97. Try to re-configure the sound card again. I have been >playing music while I am working without any problem. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ryan Nix" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:13 AM >Subject: Sound card problems > > > > >>I think this has been listed before, but the sound card keeps getting >>locked up on Fedora RC1. Is there a way to restart the sound card or >>service until this is fixed? >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > From haysja at sages.us Sun Nov 9 01:38:45 2003 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:38:45 -0600 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> I installed FC1 on a Vaio. It was easy and works better than any distro that I have put on that machine. The install went very smooth. -- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 Quoting "Michael P. Soulier" : > Hey people, > > I while back I installed RedHat 8.0 on my Sony VAIO, and it > automagickally detected my pcmcia CD-ROM with no problems at all. I was > quite disappointed to find that FC1 failed to do so. When prompted to > select a driver for it, none of the pcmcia drivers on the list worked. > > We would seem to need a little regression in this release for > laptops. Let me know if I can help. > > Cheers, > Mike > > -- > Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 > 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation > "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount > of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From michael_soulier at mitel.com Sun Nov 9 02:37:11 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:37:11 -0500 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1068288884.1729.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068288884.1729.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031109023710.GD19483@e-smith.com> On 08/11/03 Tim Kossack did say: > "Some Sony VAIO?? notebook systems may experience problems installing > Fedora Core from CD-ROM. If this happens, restart the installation > process and add the following option to the boot command line: > > pci=off ide1=0x180,0x386 > > This option allows the installation to proceed normally; any devices not > detected due to the use of this option will be configured the first time > Fedora Core is booted." I used ide2=0x180 to install Debian. I'm trying this now, and it seems to work. Fedora is installing now. I'll bring up any problems. Thanks! BTW, anyone know how to configure the LCD->VGA port switching? It seems to not be fully implemented in hardware. Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From michael_soulier at mitel.com Sun Nov 9 02:38:23 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:38:23 -0500 Subject: apt-rpm supported? In-Reply-To: References: <1068151062.9761.0.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031109023823.GE19483@e-smith.com> On 07/11/03 Panu Matilainen did say: > The deal here is that apt considers every "provides" as a package (a > "virtual package" in apt terminology). As long as there's only one package > providing something it automatically installs that, otherwise it makes you > choose one from available variants. Yes, which in my opinion is one of the things making apt superior to yum, and I'm very surprised that apt-rpm isn't among the supported tools already. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From warren at togami.com Sun Nov 9 03:26:43 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:26:43 -1000 Subject: FC1 squid 100% CPU usage Message-ID: <1068348402.4430.160.camel@laptop> I upgraded a firewall from RH9 to FC1 today and suddenly saw 100% cpu usage of squid after about a minute or two of runtime. I downgraded squid to the version that shipped in RH9 (same config file) and the problem went away. FC1 squid-2.5.STABLE3-0 RH9 squid-2.5.STABLE1-2 Is anyone else seeing this problem? Warren Togami warren at togami.com From zleite at mminternet.com Sun Nov 9 04:57:42 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:57:42 -0800 Subject: Kernel compiles with Fedora Core 1? In-Reply-To: <20031108020208.ZRMV406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031108020208.ZRMV406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <1068353862.2329.2.camel@Z> Are you using a plain, non-redhat-patched kernel source? That pretty much never works with RH config file. You'll have to reconfigure. I run my 2.4 and 2.6 custom kernels. Compiles and runs great. On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 18:02, DanG wrote: > Has anyone had kernel compile errors with Fedora Core 1? I am trying > to compile using the stock config file for i686. I ran make mrproper > first then copied the config file as .config from the configs dir to > /usr/src/linux-2.4. I edited the version info in Makefile. Whenever I > run make dep, I always get errors. Am I missing something here? > > > > Dan > > From dgenn at rogers.com Sun Nov 9 05:02:56 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:02:56 -0500 Subject: Kernel compiles with Fedora Core 1? In-Reply-To: <1068353862.2329.2.camel@Z> Message-ID: <20031109050227.JVXW320036.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Nope. I am using the Redhat source from the original install which has their patches. I am not using a canonical Kernel from kernel.org. Never had these issues before with other Kernels/sources. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Z Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:58 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Kernel compiles with Fedora Core 1? Are you using a plain, non-redhat-patched kernel source? That pretty much never works with RH config file. You'll have to reconfigure. I run my 2.4 and 2.6 custom kernels. Compiles and runs great. On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 18:02, DanG wrote: > Has anyone had kernel compile errors with Fedora Core 1? I am trying > to compile using the stock config file for i686. I ran make mrproper > first then copied the config file as .config from the configs dir to > /usr/src/linux-2.4. I edited the version info in Makefile. Whenever I > run make dep, I always get errors. Am I missing something here? > > > > Dan > > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From zleite at mminternet.com Sun Nov 9 05:04:42 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:04:42 -0800 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> Message-ID: <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> Works great on mine, except that the Fn key doesn't work. It was a *bitch* to make it work in XP as well. Never tried the internal modem. Probably useless. On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 17:38, Jim Hays wrote: > I installed FC1 on a Vaio. It was easy and works better than any distro that > I have put on that machine. > > The install went very smooth. > > From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sun Nov 9 05:13:23 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 00:13:23 -0500 Subject: some problems with core1 on laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FADCCF3.4040506@insight.rr.com> I was wondering about what would hapen if someone only needed acpi for some things but could still boot their computer into a usable state. Power management through acpi, I didn't think about. I need it on my computer, to boot at all, into a usable state. I like the suggested command to use, *poweroff* , instead of halt to shutdown the machine. It worked for my laptop and desktop, shutting off power. It makes it easier to not need to be a root user to power off the machine. I didn't know the script or program existed. Jim Dan Goodes wrote: > I found that the shutdown button didnt actually power off my laptop unless > I had "acpi=on" in my grub.conf line. (tag it on the end of your "kernel" > line). > > > --Dan > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>Ketil Hage wrote: >> >>>i have some trouble with fedora core1 on my laptop. >>> >>>1.whenever i try to logout from gnome the laptop just hangs/freezes. >>>2. halt and reboot won't work at all, never did on beta or 3 either. >>>(the laptop won't power off) >>> >>>anyone with a tips on where to look to fix these things? >>> >>>thanx >>> >>>kh >>> >> >>/sbin/shutdown -h 0 >> >>Run this as root, this will shutdown the power also. >>Using either reboot and halt don't power off machines, at least for me. >> >>Jim >> >> > > -- You will pioneer the first Martian colony. From len.brown at intel.com Sun Nov 9 05:22:14 2003 From: len.brown at intel.com (Len Brown) Date: 09 Nov 2003 00:22:14 -0500 Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068355334.2680.995.camel@dhcppc4> typo fix is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107880 On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 14:19, Alex F. Evonosky wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Understood, but was there a fix? or is there one coming in an updated > release? I really want to upgrade our servers to FC1 (and some to > RHEL) and get off of RH7.3, but this is really holding us back. > > specs: > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX Host bridge > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440GX - 82443GX AGP bridge > > 02:04.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U2/U2W / 7890/7891 > 02:06.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7860 (rev 03) > > > Thanks! > > > ~Alex > > > > Alan Cox wrote: > > >>Really? Can you post the URL for this? I looked at the URL below, > >>and its close to the issues I see as well. > > > > > >If you havea 440GX board and FC1 you may get IRQ routing problems. I > >managed to type a 440 as 450 somewhere and it didnt get caught in > time. > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/rUG4i6NlI+CoSzsRAn9OAJ0VxOM+/Am3Tutn1skkVfS4/mBIkwCggZ7F > 6Rx+FUrb52sf50xOD6Baobs= > =dEsb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From mutk at iprimus.com.au Sun Nov 9 05:56:09 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:56:09 +1000 Subject: Kernel compiles with Fedora Core 1? In-Reply-To: <20031108020208.ZRMV406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031108020208.ZRMV406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <3FADD6F9.4060605@iprimus.com.au> DanG wrote: > Has anyone had kernel compile errors with Fedora Core 1? I am trying to > compile using the stock config file for i686. I ran make mrproper first > then copied the config file as .config from the configs dir to > /usr/src/linux-2.4. I edited the version info in Makefile. Whenever I > run make dep, I always get errors. Am I missing something here? I beleive you need to install gcc32 package, and use CC=gcc32 for all kernel building for the moment. What are you missing ? The details of the errors you are getting might have helped.. Cheers, Michael From patrickm at myway.com Sun Nov 9 10:49:37 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:49:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora and Nvidia ????? Message-ID: <20031109104937.DABF03980@mprdmxin.myway.com> After installing Fedora (looks really nice!), I tried to install the Nvdia 4496 driver and ended up with a message telling me that it couldn't install it: " You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with a compiler different from the one that was used to compile the running kernel." If have been looking around (including the Nvidia site) and came up with some difficult sounding solutions: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=d20d4f000c166c7285b258de992d5485&threadid=20628 Since I'm pretty new to Linux, I don't understand much of it (I could install the driver with RH9 though). Would it be too much asked, but could someone please explain me how to get that thing up and running? Or should I wait for a new updated Nvidia driver (any idea when to expect it) ??? It's just that I'm dying to start using FC1..... Any ideas or help is very much appriciated!!!! Thanks!! PatrickM "All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you..." _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From seanc at tech-access.com Sun Nov 9 11:04:06 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:04:06 +0400 Subject: Fedora and Nvidia ????? In-Reply-To: <20031109104937.DABF03980@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031109104937.DABF03980@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <3FAE1F26.5060403@tech-access.com> Hi Patrick I had a similar problem compiling other modules for my kernel. Try the following: Before running your 'make', run this: [user at host ~]$ export CC=gcc32 then do your make .... regards Sean Craig PatrickM wrote: >After installing Fedora (looks really nice!), >I tried to install the Nvdia 4496 driver and ended up with a message telling me that it couldn't install it: >" You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with >a compiler different from the one that was used to compile >the running kernel." > >If have been looking around (including the Nvidia site) and came up with some difficult sounding solutions: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=d20d4f000c166c7285b258de992d5485&threadid=20628 > >Since I'm pretty new to Linux, I don't understand much of it (I could install the driver with RH9 though). > >Would it be too much asked, but could someone please explain me how to get that thing up and running? Or should I wait for a new updated Nvidia driver (any idea when to expect it) ??? > >It's just that I'm dying to start using FC1..... > >Any ideas or help is very much appriciated!!!! >Thanks!! > >PatrickM > >"All you have to decide, is what to do >with the time that is given to you..." > >_______________________________________________ >No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From mharris at redhat.com Sun Nov 9 13:02:20 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:02:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Pine In-Reply-To: <20031107232753.14679.qmail@server11.internetserver.com> References: <20031107232753.14679.qmail@server11.internetserver.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, beigi wrote: >Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:27:53 -0500 >From: beigi >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" >List-Id: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > >Subject: Pine > >Has anyone been able to build pine on Fedora? > >I have been getting all kinds of errors where it is having trouble finding >the SSL, etc. I have used, > >build lnx > >and it proposed using > >build slx > >Neither have been successful. I have tried passing the path to the openssl >libraries and headers through the build command and it still does not work. ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/pine -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 9 15:20:20 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:20:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: <3FAD41B9.1080606@alexevon.org> from "Alex F. Evonosky" at Tach 08, 2003 02:19:21 Message-ID: <200311091520.hA9FKKb10284@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Understood, but was there a fix? or is there one coming in an updated > release? I really want to upgrade our servers to FC1 (and some to > RHEL) and get off of RH7.3, but this is really holding us back. I'll see if I can build a kernel with that fix added and stick it somewhere From patrickm at myway.com Sun Nov 9 16:15:04 2003 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:15:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora and Nvidia ????? Message-ID: <20031109161504.EC31A3962@mprdmxin.myway.com> Euhhhh, perhaps silly of me, but that was something I already tried... That is, I shut down X, entered in the "commandline-screen" and than I tried to install the driver with "sh nvidiadriver.sh". Result: the same error message. Or did you mean something else with "do your make" ???? PatrickM "All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you..." --- On Sun 11/09, Sean Craig < seanc at tech-access.com > wrote: From: Sean Craig [mailto: seanc at tech-access.com] To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:04:06 +0400 Subject: Re: Fedora and Nvidia ????? Hi Patrick I had a similar problem compiling other modules for my kernel. Try the following: Before running your 'make', run this: [user at host ~]$ export CC=gcc32 then do your make .... regards Sean Craig _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From senux at senux.com Sun Nov 9 16:52:40 2003 From: senux at senux.com (Brian Lee) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:52:40 +0900 Subject: installing fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp Message-ID: <20031109165240.GA8841@mercury.senux.com> Hi, I am trying to install fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp. I installed other version of redhat linux before but fedora core 1 does not installed in vmware 3. The installation is stopped after choosing skip button for vertifying CD image. This is last part of vmware log file in windows. Does anyone know about this? How can I install successfully fedora core 1 in vmware 3? Nov 09 23:59:16: VMX|SCSI: Reset request for non-existent target 14 Nov 09 23:59:16: VMX|SCSI0: RESET DEVICE 15 Nov 09 23:59:16: VMX|SCSI: Reset request for non-existent target 15 Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|BUG F(141):1655 bugNr=2770 Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|MONITOR ERROR BUG F(141):1655 bugNr=2770 Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX| Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|Coredump with build $Name: build-2237 $ Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|Writing monitor corefile "D:\VMWare\FedoraCore1_book\vmware-core" Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|Setting vaddr to 0x0 Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|Msg_Post: Error Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|[msg.log.monpanic] *** VMware Workstation internal monitor error *** Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|BUG F(141):1655 bugNr=2770 Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX| Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|Please report this problem by selecting menu item Help > VMware on the Web > Request Support, or by going to the Web page "http://www.vmware.com/requestsupport?sn=02JA7%2d09HVH%2d02DRN%2d16M2U&logFile=D%3a%5cVMWare%5cFedoraCore1%5fbook%5cvmware%2elog&coreLocation=D%3a%5cVMWare%5cFedoraCore1%5fbook%5cvmware%2dcore". Please provide us with the log file (D:\VMWare\FedoraCore1_book\vmware.log) and the core file (D:\VMWare\FedoraCore1_book\vmware-core). Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|[msg.log.monpanic.win32debug] If the problem is repeatable, please select 'Run with debugging information' in the Options panel of the configuration editor. Then reproduce the incident and file it according to the instructions. Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|[msg.log.monpanic.finish] We appreciate your feedback, Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX| -- the VMware Workstation team. Nov 09 23:59:22: VMX|---------------------------------------- Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|OPROM: ignoring unmap of .vbios: already unmapped Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|COWDISK: The virtual disk Linux.vmdk is clean at close. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|COWDISK: The virtual disk Linux-02.vmdk is clean at close. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|COWDISK: The virtual disk Linux-03.vmdk is clean at close. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|BigCOWDisk_Close: closing 3 disks of BigCowDisk Linux.vmdk Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|COWDISK: The virtual disk Linux.vmdk is clean at close. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Header analysis Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|--------------- Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Block map analysis Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|------------------ Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|The size of the file "Linux.vmdk" is 5 sectors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Checking for unambiguous errors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Found 0 holes Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Checking for ambiguous errors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|COWDISK: The virtual disk Linux-02.vmdk is clean at close. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Header analysis Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|--------------- Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Block map analysis Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|------------------ Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|The size of the file "Linux-02.vmdk" is 5 sectors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Checking for unambiguous errors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Found 0 holes Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Checking for ambiguous errors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|COWDISK: The virtual disk Linux-03.vmdk is clean at close. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Header analysis Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|--------------- Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Block map analysis Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|------------------ Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|The size of the file "Linux-03.vmdk" is 5 sectors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Checking for unambiguous errors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Found 0 holes Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|Checking for ambiguous errors. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0| Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|OPROM: ignoring unmap of .sbios: already unmapped Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|OPROM: OpromPowerOff Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|AIOPowerOff scsi0:0 Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|AIOSlave: scsi0:0 exiting cleanly. Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|IPC_exit: disconnecting all threads Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|scsi0:0 IPC closed the connection with thread VMX (0x0e42a6b0) Nov 09 23:59:48: scsi0:0|scsi0:0 IPC The "VMX" thread exited cleanly. Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|VMX IPC closed the connection with thread scsi0:0 (0x001546e8) Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|AIOPowerOff ide1:0 Nov 09 23:59:48: ide1:0|AIOSlave: ide1:0 exiting cleanly. Nov 09 23:59:48: ide1:0|IPC_exit: disconnecting all threads Nov 09 23:59:48: ide1:0|ide1:0 IPC closed the connection with thread VMX (0x017b5b28) Nov 09 23:59:48: ide1:0|ide1:0 IPC The "VMX" thread exited cleanly. Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|VMX IPC closed the connection with thread ide1:0 (0x00154678) Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|VMX: changing state 1 from 1873 to 1873 Nov 09 23:59:48: UI|VMX(UI): changing state 1 from 1873 to 1873, nesting 0 Nov 09 23:59:48: VMX|VMX: changing state 0 from 1872 to 1870 Nov 09 23:59:48: UI|VMX(UI): changing state 0 from 1872 to 1870, nesting 0 Nov 09 23:59:56: VMX|IPC_exit: disconnecting all threads Nov 09 23:59:56: VMX|VMX IPC closed the connection with thread UI (0x00154598) Nov 09 23:59:56: VMX|VMX IPC The "UI" thread exited cleanly. Nov 09 23:59:56: VMX|VMX IPC closed the connection with thread MKS (0x00154608) Nov 09 23:59:56: VMX|VMX IPC The "MKS" thread exited cleanly. Nov 09 23:59:56: UI|UI IPC closed the connection with thread VMX (0x0020b9c0) Nov 09 23:59:56: UI|UI: Thread VMX exited as expected. Nov 09 23:59:56: UI|Local UI exit. Nov 09 23:59:56: UI|IPC_exit: disconnecting all threads Nov 09 23:59:56: UI|UI IPC closed the connection with thread MKS (0x0020ba30) Nov 09 23:59:56: UI|UI IPC The "MKS" thread exited cleanly. Nov 09 23:59:56: MKS|MKS IPC closed the connection with thread VMX (0x017820c0) Nov 09 23:59:56: MKS|MKS: Thread VMX exited as expected. Nov 09 23:59:56: MKS|Local MKS exit. Nov 09 23:59:56: UI|Config file: (null) Nov 09 23:59:56: VMX|VMX exit. -- ____ |o | i / Brian Lee #######|< Site http://www.senux.com/en/ (x-x-x-x) \ Public GnuPG key: 0x46C763A3 From michael at ywow.org Sun Nov 9 16:58:24 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:58:24 -0500 Subject: installing fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp References: <20031109165240.GA8841@mercury.senux.com> Message-ID: <118a01c3a6e2$b10c7830$201ea8c0@AllAccess> Dear Brian, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lee" > Hi, > > I am trying to install fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp. I don't think Red Hat has worked in VMWare3 for several distros. I can install in VMWare 4. Thanks, Mike Jang From czar at czarc.net Sun Nov 9 17:28:57 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:28:57 -0500 Subject: installing fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp In-Reply-To: <118a01c3a6e2$b10c7830$201ea8c0@AllAccess> References: <20031109165240.GA8841@mercury.senux.com> <118a01c3a6e2$b10c7830$201ea8c0@AllAccess> Message-ID: <200311091228.57257.czar@czarc.net> On Sunday 09 November 2003 11:58, MJang wrote: > I don't think Red Hat has worked in VMWare3 for several distros. I can > install in VMWare 4. I run VMware 3.2.0 on a host Linux system (now FC-1) because some of the guest systems would require extensive changes if I run them under VMware 4. The guests run fine. Now I am talking about a Linux (not Windows XP) host so milage may vary if you try VMware 3 on Windows. After a great deal of trial and error installing various versions of RHL and now FC as guests: 1. I boot the cdrom but then use "linux askmethod" to select "nfs" install ... easier than fooling with the floppies. 2. I have not tried installing from actual cdroms since Red Hat went to multiple cdroms for installs (it has not always works). 3. I do graphical installs by doing "linux askmethod display=:0". While I always point to my host system's ip, this should also work for pointing to a different hardware systems running Linux/Unix or even another VMware guest (have not tried it but it should work). While I currently use nfs installs, I have used a harddisk install and that works also. And IIRC, I have mounted all three ISO images as virtual cdroms to the VMware "machine" and that has worked also. -- Gene From update at alexevon.org Sun Nov 9 19:04:12 2003 From: update at alexevon.org (Alex F. Evonosky) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:04:12 -0500 Subject: 440 GX and SCSI RAID In-Reply-To: <200311091520.hA9FKKb10284@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311091520.hA9FKKb10284@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FAE8FAC.4070501@alexevon.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Now THAT is unreal! If the FC1 kernel boots on this "fixed" kernel, will that "fix" still remain in later releases? Thanks Alan. ~Alex Alan Cox wrote: >> > > I'll see if I can build a kernel with that fix added and stick it > somewhere > > > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ro+ri6NlI+CoSzsRAkLRAJ9NTJjj/K3Cbq7S6IBNYBgwTM0BMwCfafMb UArvWauHht4+E8CVYuNS9Rc= =RQdp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nmarsh1 at mac.com Sun Nov 9 19:14:08 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nicholas Marsh) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:14:08 -0600 Subject: Laptop + anaconda == problems (retry) Message-ID: A little help please. Any idea what happened to the lowrez option? The resolution=800x600 option doesn't cary over to anaconda and it tries to start on 1400x1050. Thanks. >>I can't get anaconda to start because X crashes every time it tries to load (XIO: fatal IO error 104). Is this a known issue? Anaconda worked on >>the same laptop in RH9. How can I get anaconda to load in low rez mode? >>Thanks. From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 19:29:02 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:29:02 -0500 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Matt Brodeur wrote: >.................. > I _THINK_ I was able to solve this problem with: ># rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-1/RPM-GPG-KEY* >..................... Yup. That did it. Thanks. sean _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 19:30:45 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 14:30:45 -0500 Subject: up2date keeps asking for gpg key Message-ID: Matt Brodeur wrote: >.................... > I _THINK_ I was able to solve this problem with: ># rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-1/RPM-GPG-KEY* >.......................... Yup. That did it. Thanks. seam _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From fedoralist at maethos.com Sun Nov 9 19:59:13 2003 From: fedoralist at maethos.com (Fedora test list) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:59:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: installing fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp Message-ID: Brian, Try testing the first disc and then re-inserting when it ejects, then choose "continue". VMWare 4.0 also errors for me when I skip the media check. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:00 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #405 - 24 msgs Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:52:40 +0900 From: Brian Lee To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: installing fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Hi, I am trying to install fedora core 1 in vmware 3 for windows-xp. I installed other version of redhat linux before but fedora core 1 does not installed in vmware 3. The installation is stopped after choosing skip button for vertifying CD image. This is last part of vmware log file in windows. Does anyone know about this? How can I install successfully fedora core 1 in vmware 3? From alan at redhat.com Sun Nov 9 21:02:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:02:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora 440GX boot disk test Message-ID: <200311092102.hA9L2cN29311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> I've put a test boot floppy image for the 440GX on http://people.redhat.com/alan Its generated by adding Len's fixes to the FC1 kernel and then remaking the boot floppy. Alan From update at alexevon.org Mon Nov 10 00:16:58 2003 From: update at alexevon.org (Alex F. Evonosky) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 19:16:58 -0500 Subject: Fedora 440GX boot disk test In-Reply-To: <200311092102.hA9L2cN29311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311092102.hA9L2cN29311@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FAED8FA.4080501@alexevon.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 interesting.. dd the image to a floppy, yet this image could not detect any SCSI device. When asked to select a driver, only options appear are a USB device. It would now not even detect the standard SCSI CDROM. So I decided to re-insert the Fedora CD and watch the output: Using the on the yarrow release CD, I notice it gets to the aic7xxxx loader, then it tries to load the module "megaraid", but then it could not write to the /tmp to install the megaraid.o module... Again, this is on the latest fedora release. So, had to boot back into RH73 to get the server back up, and the megaraid module on the RH7.3 loads fine. Thank You. ~Alex Alan Cox wrote: >I've put a test boot floppy image for the 440GX on > http://people.redhat.com/alan > >Its generated by adding Len's fixes to the FC1 kernel and then remaking >the boot floppy. > >Alan > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rtj6i6NlI+CoSzsRAgU0AJwNTePTJ7LTT0Jm4x/pPH+P1XwsywCeJuPT RLrH/T2foriTPJNq4nZ3B4Y= =i7q8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david.balazic at hermes.si Mon Nov 10 08:13:33 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:13:33 +0100 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> > ---------- > From: Alexandre Oliva[SMTP:aoliva at redhat.com] > > On Nov 8, 2003, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > > huh? the above is contradictory. now that FC1 is out, which is > > the right place to talk about it? there seems to be little sense > > in being a member of both fedora and fedora-test, unless they have > > clearly different mandates with respect to FC1. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ says: > > # fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases > # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases > Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) ( not test relases, just releases ) Regards, stein From lists at reforge.fi Mon Nov 10 08:54:24 2003 From: lists at reforge.fi (Lauri Jutila) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:54:24 +0200 Subject: 2.6.0test9 & USB mouse Message-ID: <1068454463.1740.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello folks, Slightly OT, not specifically Fedora stuff, but here goes. I'm running FC1 and thought about giving Arjan's 2.6.0test-series a spin. Installed 2.6.0-0.test9.1.78 version of his kernels and everything is swell, except for my USB mouse (Logitech MX300). What is the correct kernel module for USB mice? I've seen several suggestions on migration guides: usbmouse, mousedev, foobar, you name it. Is it just that Arjan's kernel packages are missing the module or what? lsmod shows the following modules in kernel when mouse is plugged in: hid ehci_hcd usbcore Maybe a 2.6.0test-series user with (working) USB devices could comment on this? -- Lauri Jutila Chief Linux Fellow, Reforge lists at reforge.fi http://www.reforge.fi From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Nov 10 09:08:54 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:54 +0900 Subject: well this is Fedora Test Process related, so I suppose it belongs here..... In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <3FAF55A6.1070408@tuins.ac.jp> I've done a bit of beta testing in my day (even OS/2), but I find it odd that we would all go through 3 test version of Fedora and then at the last minute, Rhythmbox, buggy as all hell, is suddenly slapped in as the default audio player in the final release. That seems a bit odd as it wasn't even in the install packages in test 3, just an rpm floating around the disks. If Fedora Core 1 had at least been set up so that XMMS appead in the pop-up menus as an alternative, it wouldn't have been half as bad. Doesn't seem much of a final beta test if the actual public release is still different from that final beta. Seems to me that the final beta/test should pretty much be what the public release is going to be, minus the bug repairs. How did this all come to pass. I can't find any reference to this in the list anywhere. Seems rather arbitrary to me, and sort of scares me as to the way things are going to go now that there is no big red daddy in charge of things. Hmmm.. rg From than at redhat.com Mon Nov 10 09:40:37 2003 From: than at redhat.com (Than Ngo) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:40:37 +0100 Subject: QT issue In-Reply-To: <1068313701.3034.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068313701.3034.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FAF5D15.2000108@redhat.com> MWB schrieb: >Hello! > >I have a problem with compiled applications like: >vyqchat 0.1.1 - Vyppres Chat (www.vypress.com) compatible >client for Linux >Psi 0.9 - jabber client (psi.affinix.com) >Both compilated without any errors. > >[cut] >[mwb at localhost mwb]$ vyqchat >vyqchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined >symbol: _ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc >[/cut] > >[cut] >[mwb at localhost soft]$ psi & >[2] 4186 >[mwb at localhost soft]$ psi: relocation error: >/usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: >_ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc >[2]+ Exit 127 psi >[/cut] > > >It appears also in applications from rpms like: >imgSeek-0.8.2-1.i386.rpm > >[cut] >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/imgSeekLib/ImgDB.py", line 51, >in ? > import imgdb >ImportError: /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: >_ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc >[/cut] > > >[mwb at localhost soft]$ rpm -qa | grep qt >qt-MySQL-3.1.2-14 >qt-3.1.2-14 >qt-devel-3.1.2-14 > >I can't figure out what's wrong? >_ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc - this is something mysterious >for me ;) > > > it looks like the application was linked with wrong qt version. You should rebuild it again in Fedora. It should fix this problem. Than From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Nov 10 09:59:28 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:59:28 +0100 Subject: well this is Fedora Test Process related, so I suppose it belongs here..... In-Reply-To: <3FAF55A6.1070408@tuins.ac.jp> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> <3FAF55A6.1070408@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20031110105928.1f29f5d1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:54 +0900, rg wrote: > I've done a bit of beta testing in my day (even OS/2), but I find it odd > that we would all go through 3 test version of Fedora and then at the > last minute, Rhythmbox, buggy as all hell, is suddenly slapped in as the > default audio player in the final release. That seems a bit odd as it > wasn't even in the install packages in test 3, just an rpm floating > around the disks. > > If Fedora Core 1 had at least been set up so that XMMS appead in the > pop-up menus as an alternative, it wouldn't have been half as bad. KDE Menu > Sound & Video > Audio Player It's there. Fresh install of Fedora Core 1. Actually, I haven't noticed the separate "Music Player" entry for Rhythmbox yet. ;) -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Nov 10 11:45:23 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:45:23 +0900 Subject: well this is Fedora Test Process related, so I suppose it belongs here..... In-Reply-To: <20031110105928.1f29f5d1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> <3FAF55A6.1070408@tuins.ac.jp> <20031110105928.1f29f5d1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3FAF7A53.3000207@tuins.ac.jp> > > >KDE Menu > Sound & Video > Audio Player > >It's there. Fresh install of Fedora Core 1. Actually, I haven't noticed >the separate "Music Player" entry for Rhythmbox yet. ;) > No, I didn't mean that. I know it is still in the regular menu as Audio Player, I mean that when you double click on an .ogg file (the icon for which is still not bluecurve), Rhythmbox is what will be playing it. If you right-click on that .ogg file, there is no mention of XMMS - you have to choose Open With => An Application and then add it to the menu there. It should't be that way unless is was that way in TEST 3, and it wasn't. Also, Rhythmbox is too buggy to be the default anything. Many of the methods that are supposed to work for creating playlists do not work (i.e., dragging album or artist names from the browser windows to the source window). Then there is adding genre information to the song properties - a long list of genre pop up, but you none of them stick once chosen. Can't add a genre of your onw either. And then there is the streaming problem. Mp3 support is not included and everyone is quite mum on how to get it - well, mum in terms of specifics - and as for .ogg streams, the ones I tried played at double speed, whereas they worked fine under XMMS - even minutes apart. definitely a Rhythmbox bug. Rhythmbox has no business being the default. That was a sneaky last minute sneak in. It is that idea that upsets me. Why bother beta testing anything, if at the end somebody over somewhere just decides do to what he wants for the masses. That is my beef. rg > > > From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Nov 10 12:04:44 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:04:44 +0100 Subject: well this is Fedora Test Process related, so I suppose it belongs here..... In-Reply-To: <3FAF7A53.3000207@tuins.ac.jp> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> <3FAF55A6.1070408@tuins.ac.jp> <20031110105928.1f29f5d1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3FAF7A53.3000207@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20031110130444.0bfeb4d6.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:45:23 +0900, rg wrote: > >KDE Menu > Sound & Video > Audio Player > > > >It's there. Fresh install of Fedora Core 1. Actually, I haven't noticed > >the separate "Music Player" entry for Rhythmbox yet. ;) > > > No, I didn't mean that. I know it is still in the regular menu as Audio > Player, I mean that when you double click on an .ogg file (the icon for > which is still not bluecurve), Rhythmbox is what will be playing it. Ah, I see. In KDE, I think kaboodle is the default player for ogg/mp3 (and doesn't include mp3 support either). But I prefer launching an audio player via desktop/panel icons or the menu. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mike at netlyncs.com Mon Nov 10 12:34:50 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:34:50 -0600 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <1068467690.13790.4.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 02:13, David Balazic wrote: > Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) > ( not test relases, just releases ) Anything to do with Fedora Core releases (except the test/beta releases during test cycles) go to fedora-list. Just like if this was an official release from Red Hat Linux, you would discuss it on yarrow-list like before, cept now you just subscribe to fedora-list and discuss it there, no matter the release name. https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Do you hear me now?....GOOD!" From jakub at redhat.com Mon Nov 10 13:25:15 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:25:15 -0500 Subject: OpenOffice.org 1.1.0-6.1 Message-ID: <20031110082515.I8854@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Hi! The prelink friendly binary unfortunately is not the default in FC1, but you can speed up OOo start by: ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin as root. ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-6.1 packages which differ from 1.1.0-6 as present in FC1 in 2 things: a) soffice2.bin is the default, so you don't have to run the above command to speed it up b) it has been compiled with -Os. This seems to save 9MB on allocated library size and e.g. when running oowriter should cut the total size of libraries loaded from around 71MB to ~ 66MB (by ~ 5.25MB). In theory this should speed up OO.o startup time especially when caches are cold (ie. when running oowriter the first time after boot). I've tried to measure some numbers with time(1): cold are after running cat 2.8GB file > /dev/null, hot are 3rd up to 5th invocations of the program, each measurement repeated 3 times. The first numbers are from the default 1.1.0-6 oowriter, second with 1.1.0-6 after ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin and third with 1.1.0-6.1 default. Dual PIII, 651MHz. Measuring with time is of course very inaccurate. oowriter soffice1.bin openoffice.org-1.1.0-6 prelinked cold real 0m21.010s 0m18.963s 0m22.451s user 0m4.390s 0m4.350s 0m4.360s sys 0m0.560s 0m0.580s 0m0.500s hot real 0m5.003s 0m4.991s 0m5.000s user 0m4.190s 0m4.290s 0m4.260s sys 0m0.360s 0m0.250s 0m0.270s oowriter soffice2.bin openoffice.org-1.1.0-6.1 prelinked cold real 0m18.445s 0m17.709s 0m20.787s user 0m2.950s 0m3.000s 0m2.940s sys 0m0.450s 0m0.450s 0m0.590s hot real 0m3.773s 0m3.757s 0m3.766s user 0m2.880s 0m2.810s 0m2.810s sys 0m0.270s 0m0.370s 0m0.280s oowriter soffice2.bin openoffice.org-1.1.0-6.1 prelinked cold real 0m18.273s 0m17.501s 0m19.459s user 0m2.930s 0m2.940s 0m2.780s sys 0m0.400s 0m0.430s 0m0.670s hot real 0m3.356s 0m3.392s 0m3.740s user 0m2.830s 0m2.890s 0m2.860s sys 0m0.270s 0m0.240s 0m0.260s Jakub From paul at frields.com Mon Nov 10 13:31:12 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:31:12 -0500 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <1068471072.3676.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 03:13, David Balazic wrote: > > # fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases > > # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases > > > Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) > ( not test relases, just releases ) Post to fedora-list. If you're using a real release, you're a user. This list should quiet down until Fedora Core 2 test 1 is released some months from now. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From lfarkas at bnap.hu Mon Nov 10 13:35:41 2003 From: lfarkas at bnap.hu (Farkas Levente) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:35:41 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice.org 1.1.0-6.1 In-Reply-To: <20031110082515.I8854@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031110082515.I8854@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FAF942D.70001@bnap.hu> hi, would you put these to fedora/linux/core/development/ thanks. Jakub Jelinek wrote: > Hi! > > The prelink friendly binary unfortunately is not the default in FC1, > but you can speed up OOo start by: > ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin > as root. > > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-6.1 packages which differ from 1.1.0-6 as > present in FC1 in 2 things: > a) soffice2.bin is the default, so you don't have to run the above > command to speed it up > b) it has been compiled with -Os. This seems to save 9MB on allocated > library size and e.g. when running oowriter should cut the total > size of libraries loaded from around 71MB to ~ 66MB (by ~ 5.25MB). > In theory this should speed up OO.o startup time especially when > caches are cold (ie. when running oowriter the first time after boot). > I've tried to measure some numbers with time(1): > cold are after running cat 2.8GB file > /dev/null, hot are 3rd up to 5th > invocations of the program, each measurement repeated 3 times. > The first numbers are from the default 1.1.0-6 oowriter, > second with 1.1.0-6 after ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin > and third with 1.1.0-6.1 default. Dual PIII, 651MHz. > Measuring with time is of course very inaccurate. > > oowriter soffice1.bin openoffice.org-1.1.0-6 prelinked > cold > real 0m21.010s 0m18.963s 0m22.451s > user 0m4.390s 0m4.350s 0m4.360s > sys 0m0.560s 0m0.580s 0m0.500s > hot > real 0m5.003s 0m4.991s 0m5.000s > user 0m4.190s 0m4.290s 0m4.260s > sys 0m0.360s 0m0.250s 0m0.270s > > oowriter soffice2.bin openoffice.org-1.1.0-6.1 prelinked > cold > real 0m18.445s 0m17.709s 0m20.787s > user 0m2.950s 0m3.000s 0m2.940s > sys 0m0.450s 0m0.450s 0m0.590s > hot > real 0m3.773s 0m3.757s 0m3.766s > user 0m2.880s 0m2.810s 0m2.810s > sys 0m0.270s 0m0.370s 0m0.280s > > oowriter soffice2.bin openoffice.org-1.1.0-6.1 prelinked > cold > real 0m18.273s 0m17.501s 0m19.459s > user 0m2.930s 0m2.940s 0m2.780s > sys 0m0.400s 0m0.430s 0m0.670s > hot > real 0m3.356s 0m3.392s 0m3.740s > user 0m2.830s 0m2.890s 0m2.860s > sys 0m0.270s 0m0.240s 0m0.260s > > > Jakub > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Levente "Si vis pacem para bellum!" From david.balazic at hermes.si Mon Nov 10 15:14:10 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:14:10 +0100 Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03EB@piramida.hermes.si> > ---------- > From: Paul W. Frields[SMTP:paul at frields.com] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 10. november 2003 14:31 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: RE: FC 1 mailing list chatter > > On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 03:13, David Balazic wrote: > > > # fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases > > > # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases > > > > > Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) > > ( not test relases, just releases ) > > Post to fedora-list. If you're using a real release, you're a user. This But I am not _using_ it, I am _testing_ it ! ok, ok, I already subscribed to fedora-list ... :-) > list should quiet down until Fedora Core 2 test 1 is released some > months from now. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From eliseo at cicei.com Mon Nov 10 15:17:41 2003 From: eliseo at cicei.com (Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:17:41 +0000 Subject: gdm beep solution (source code modification) Message-ID: <3FAFAC15.7090005@cicei.com> Available in: ftp://ftp0.ulpgc.es/pub/linux/redhat/yarrow/gdm-2.4.4.5-2.i386.rpm ftp://ftp0.ulpgc.es/pub/linux/redhat/yarrow/gdm-2.4.4.5-2.src.rpm -- Juan Eliseo Carrasco D?az eliseo at cicei.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Centro de Innovaci?n para la Sociedad de la Informaci?n (CICEI) Edificio Central del Parque Cient?fico y Tecnol?gico Campus Universitario de Tafira S/N 35017 Las Palmas de Gran Canaria Islas Canarias Espa?a Tlf: (+34) 928 45 8605 Fax: (+34) 928 45 1492 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sistema de trabajo colaborativo IDESKTOP. http://www.idesktop.net From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Mon Nov 10 15:19:36 2003 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC 1 mailing list chatter In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03EB@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03EB@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, David Balazic wrote: >> > > # fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases >> > > # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases >> > > >> > Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) >> > ( not test relases, just releases ) >> >> Post to fedora-list. If you're using a real release, you're a user. This > >But I am not _using_ it, I am _testing_ it ! >ok, ok, I already subscribed to fedora-list ... :-) ... I forgot to configure the "nomail" option in mailman to filter out useless postings to the lists like the above. If I hurry, I can do it in time to not recieve my own posting. -- Mike A. Harris From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Mon Nov 10 15:35:25 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?ISO-8859-3?Q?Fernando_=C1lvarez-Ur=EDa?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:35:25 +0100 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly Message-ID: <3FAFB03D.2030109@ya.com> Hi all! I have upgraded from test3 to core1, using atp-rpm. Now, whenever i boot, it goes in text mode. How can i switch (or better, how can i toggle) between graphical and text-mode boot? Thank you. -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com From dima at mailvision.net Mon Nov 10 15:45:34 2003 From: dima at mailvision.net (Dima Gutzeit) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:45:34 +0200 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly References: <3FAFB03D.2030109@ya.com> Message-ID: <012001c3a7a1$af14e020$1400a8c0@dima> Hi , I have Fefora Test 2. How do I upgrade safely to FC 1 ? When I try to use up2date I get : up2date --update Fetching package list for channel: severn-beta2-i386... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: severn-beta2-i386... Fetching rpm headers... File Not Found: aspell-0.50.3-15.i386 Error Message: Package not found Error Class Code: 17 Error Class Info: File not found. Explanation: An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and details on how to reproduce this problem. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Mon Nov 10 15:46:27 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:46:27 +0000 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly In-Reply-To: <3FAFB03D.2030109@ya.com> References: <3FAFB03D.2030109@ya.com> Message-ID: <1068479187.1798.72.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > Now, whenever i boot, it goes in text mode. How can i switch (or better, > how can i toggle) between graphical and text-mode boot? If it's already going to a text login, you can just type startx after logging in. TTFN Paul -- Free your mind to a time where a company does not have control Free your mind to a choice of applications which you can control Free your mind from the closed world of those who seek total power Free your mind to the wonderful world of free software From czar at czarc.net Mon Nov 10 15:48:36 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:48:36 -0500 Subject: gdm beep solution (source code modification) In-Reply-To: <3FAFAC15.7090005@cicei.com> References: <3FAFAC15.7090005@cicei.com> Message-ID: <200311101048.36959.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 10 November 2003 10:17, Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > Available in: > > ftp://ftp0.ulpgc.es/pub/linux/redhat/yarrow/gdm-2.4.4.5-2.i386.rpm > ftp://ftp0.ulpgc.es/pub/linux/redhat/yarrow/gdm-2.4.4.5-2.src.rpm I have no idea if your update makes the beep optional (preferred) or just deletes it (accessability issue). Regardless, how about submitting a bugzilla RFE report and attach your update patch to it ... "if it is not in bugzilla, it does not exist". -- Gene From michael_soulier at mitel.com Mon Nov 10 15:52:55 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:52:55 -0500 Subject: Laptop + anaconda == problems (retry) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031110155255.GB20749@e-smith.com> On 09/11/03 Nicholas Marsh did say: > A little help please. Any idea what happened to the lowrez option? The > resolution=800x600 option doesn't cary over to anaconda and it tries to > start on 1400x1050. Odd. I didn't use a lowres option, and it ran at 800x600 for me just fine. Why don't you try the text installer? Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From michael_soulier at mitel.com Mon Nov 10 15:54:37 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:54:37 -0500 Subject: boot ordering of network and pcmcia Message-ID: <20031110155437.GC20749@e-smith.com> I noticed a small problem in FC1, just an annoyance really. PCMCIA is started after network. That makes no sense for those of us using PCMCIA NICs. Anyone know if this is a known issue? Otherwise, I'll open a bug. It's a minor annoyance, as there's an error during boot, but when the cardmgr comes up, it brings up the interface. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From markj at jeanmougin.org Mon Nov 10 16:03:22 2003 From: markj at jeanmougin.org (Mark W. Jeanmougin) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:03:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly In-Reply-To: <012001c3a7a1$af14e020$1400a8c0@dima> Message-ID: ~On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dima Gutzeit wrote: > I have Fefora Test 2. How do I upgrade safely to FC 1 ? Download the FC1 CD's, burn them, boot of disc 1 and run through the upgrade process. I don't believe that you can use up2date to upgrade to a newer distribution. MJ From eliseo at cicei.com Mon Nov 10 16:11:18 2003 From: eliseo at cicei.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Eliseo_Carrasco_D=EDaz?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:11:18 +0000 Subject: gdm beep solution (source code modification) In-Reply-To: <200311101048.36959.czar@czarc.net> References: <3FAFAC15.7090005@cicei.com> <200311101048.36959.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FAFB8A6.3050106@cicei.com> Gene C. wrote: >On Monday 10 November 2003 10:17, Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote: > > >> Available in: >> >> ftp://ftp0.ulpgc.es/pub/linux/redhat/yarrow/gdm-2.4.4.5-2.i386.rpm >> ftp://ftp0.ulpgc.es/pub/linux/redhat/yarrow/gdm-2.4.4.5-2.src.rpm >> >> >I have no idea if your update makes the beep optional (preferred) or just >deletes it (accessability issue). > >Regardless, how about submitting a bugzilla RFE report and attach your update >patch to it ... "if it is not in bugzilla, it does not exist". > > The beep was not optional, and I'm not a gdm developer. You can see the files gui/gdmlogin.c and gui/greeter/greeter.c for the changes. I don't know if it must be report to bugzilla. I do this change only because "I" don't want to listen the BEEP, but now a beep will never sound... From bt4rfj at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 16:21:49 2003 From: bt4rfj at earthlink.net (Bob Jones) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:21:49 -0500 Subject: 2.6.0test9 & USB mouse In-Reply-To: <1068454463.1740.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068454463.1740.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:54:24 +0200, Lauri Jutila wrote: > Hello folks, > > Slightly OT, not specifically Fedora stuff, but here goes. I'm running > FC1 and thought about giving Arjan's 2.6.0test-series a spin. Installed > 2.6.0-0.test9.1.78 version of his kernels and everything is swell, > except for my USB mouse (Logitech MX300). > > What is the correct kernel module for USB mice? I've seen several > suggestions on migration guides: usbmouse, mousedev, foobar, you name > it. Is it just that Arjan's kernel packages are missing the module or > what? > > lsmod shows the following modules in kernel when mouse is plugged in: > > hid > ehci_hcd > usbcore > > Maybe a 2.6.0test-series user with (working) USB devices could comment > on this? > Look at this link for an explanation/fix/workaround. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1587 HTH Bob Jones From czar at czarc.net Mon Nov 10 16:26:16 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:26:16 -0500 Subject: gdm beep solution (source code modification) In-Reply-To: <3FAFB8A6.3050106@cicei.com> References: <3FAFAC15.7090005@cicei.com> <200311101048.36959.czar@czarc.net> <3FAFB8A6.3050106@cicei.com> Message-ID: <200311101126.16872.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 10 November 2003 11:11, Juan Eliseo Carrasco D?az wrote: > You can see the files gui/gdmlogin.c and gui/greeter/greeter.c for the > changes. > > I don't know if it must be report to bugzilla. I do this change only > because "I" don't want to listen the BEEP, but now a beep will never > sound... I believe the point is that you are not unique ... others (on fedora-list at redhat.com) also do not like it. If the change gets incorporated as an option, then you will not need to keep porting your patch every time gdm is updated. -- Gene From kjb at dds.nl Mon Nov 10 16:31:18 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: 10 Nov 2003 17:31:18 +0100 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068481878.21593.2.camel@topicus6> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 17:03, Mark W. Jeanmougin wrote: > ~On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dima Gutzeit wrote: > > I have Fefora Test 2. How do I upgrade safely to FC 1 ? > > Download the FC1 CD's, burn them, boot of disc 1 and run through the > upgrade process. > > I don't believe that you can use up2date to upgrade to a newer > distribution. Why not download yum from FC1 and try to update with that? The update from cd doesn't do anything else than upgrade all installed rpms like yum does or not? (yes I know, no guarantee etc, but it's worth a try) Klaasjan From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Mon Nov 10 16:34:12 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_=C1lvarez-Ur=EDa?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:34:12 +0100 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly In-Reply-To: <1068479187.1798.72.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <3FAFB03D.2030109@ya.com> <1068479187.1798.72.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3FAFBE04.70006@ya.com> PFJ escribi?: >Hi, > > > >>Now, whenever i boot, it goes in text mode. How can i switch (or better, >>how can i toggle) between graphical and text-mode boot? >> >> > >If it's already going to a text login, you can just type startx after >logging in. > >TTFN > >Paul > > > Thanks, but i was talking about graphical boot (kind of lpp). I have been told that the answer is adding rhgb to grub.conf -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com From don.vanco at agilysys.com Mon Nov 10 16:36:18 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:36:18 -0500 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly Message-ID: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > ~On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dima Gutzeit wrote: >> I have Fefora Test 2. How do I upgrade safely to FC 1 ? run up2date > I don't believe that you can use up2date to upgrade to a newer > distribution. Really? [root at localhost root]# cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) ...from a system that started life as a test2 system.... Packages managed exclusively via up2date. I can't say that it's 100% accurate, but I would like to _believe_ that it is..... Don From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Mon Nov 10 16:38:22 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?ISO-8859-3?Q?Fernando_=C1lvarez-Ur=EDa?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:38:22 +0100 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly In-Reply-To: <012001c3a7a1$af14e020$1400a8c0@dima> References: <3FAFB03D.2030109@ya.com> <012001c3a7a1$af14e020$1400a8c0@dima> Message-ID: <3FAFBEFE.90903@ya.com> Dima Gutzeit escribi?: >Hi , > >I have Fefora Test 2. How do I upgrade safely to FC 1 ? > I have used apt-rpm. Download it from apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org. Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the current lines with: rpm http://download.fedora.us/fedora fedora/1/i386 os updates stable testing rpm-src http://download.fedora.us/fedora fedora/1/i386 os updates stable testing Then, do as root apt-get dist upgrade Maybe the GPG keys are not valid, so either you use rpm --import, or edit /etc/apt.conf and change it so does not check the GPG keys. It is much more effective than downloading 3 discs. This needs about 550 MB. -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com From mr700 at globalnet.bg Mon Nov 10 17:27:44 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:27:44 +0200 Subject: FC1 squid 100% CPU usage In-Reply-To: <1068348402.4430.160.camel@laptop> References: <1068348402.4430.160.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <200311101927.44735@-mr700> On Sunday 09 November 2003 05:26, Warren Togami wrote: > I upgraded a firewall from RH9 to FC1 today and suddenly saw 100% cpu > usage of squid after about a minute or two of runtime. I downgraded > squid to the version that shipped in RH9 (same config file) and the > problem went away. > > FC1 squid-2.5.STABLE3-0 > RH9 squid-2.5.STABLE1-2 > Is anyone else seeing this problem? > > Warren Togami > warren at togami.com Try erasing /var/spool/squid/swap.state when squid is stopped. I had similar problem with earlier versions of Squid. In the log file there was something about rebuilding this file -> 1, 2, 3%, restart and again 1, 2, 3%, restart... The CPU was at 124%... hope this helps. -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Nov 10 17:27:49 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 10 Nov 2003 15:27:49 -0200 Subject: boot ordering of network and pcmcia In-Reply-To: <20031110155437.GC20749@e-smith.com> References: <20031110155437.GC20749@e-smith.com> Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2003, "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: > Anyone know if this is a known issue? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105591 -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From labproject at free.fr Mon Nov 10 18:33:55 2003 From: labproject at free.fr (DJ Anubis) Date: 10 Nov 2003 19:33:55 +0100 Subject: QT issue In-Reply-To: <1068313701.3034.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068313701.3034.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1068489235.1541.4.camel@serveur.localdomain> Le sam 08/11/2003 ? 18:58, MWB a ?crit : > [cut] > [mwb at localhost mwb]$ vyqchat > vyqchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined > symbol: _ZN7QTabBarC1EP7QWidtPtPKc > [/cut] > This sounds as a mixture between thread enabled widgets and non thread enabled ones. Sounds like your QTabBar class has some badly compiled code in it. Could be a class installed from one binary (vyqchat or PSI) compiled without the thread while the standard RH Qt has threading enabled. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Nov 10 19:01:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:01:18 -0500 Subject: not receiving mail from *fedora-list*. Message-ID: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> Sorry for posting this here. I had unsubscribed from the fedora-test-list last week, and immediately subscribed to fedora-list on Friday, 7th. I returned the confirmation of subscription (to fedora-list) that day, but have not received *any* mails from the list. ... yet a visit to the archives shows that the list is quite busy even up to today. Could someone kindly post to the fedora-list or advise the listmaster of this? (I've just re-subscribed to fedora-test-list, a few minutes ago, and have already received one posting. Still nothing coming down from fedora-list!). TIA, Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jeremyp at pobox.com Mon Nov 10 19:14:28 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:14:28 -0500 Subject: not receiving mail from *fedora-list*. In-Reply-To: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068491668.5470.20.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 14:01, Elton Woo wrote: > Sorry for posting this here. > > I had unsubscribed from the fedora-test-list last week, and immediately > subscribed to fedora-list on Friday, 7th. > I returned the confirmation of subscription (to fedora-list) that day, but > have not received *any* mails from the list. ... yet a visit to the > archives shows that the list is quite busy even up to today. I went to http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list and put in "elwoo at videotron.ca" in the field at the very bottom for "edit options". It says you're not subscribed. I suggest you try to subscribe again. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 19:38:32 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:38:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4194.12.29.16.103.1068493112.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Vanco, Don said: > fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: >> ~On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dima Gutzeit wrote: >>> I have Fefora Test 2. How do I upgrade safely to FC 1 ? > > run up2date > >> I don't believe that you can use up2date to upgrade to a newer >> distribution. > > Really? > > [root at localhost root]# cat /etc/fedora-release > Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) > > ...from a system that started life as a test2 system.... Packages managed > exclusively via up2date. I can't say that it's 100% accurate, but I would > like to _believe_ that it is..... I can think of at least one specific case that it isn't 100% accurate: ntp. A newer version of NTP was in the earlier tests, but was reverted because of problem with it. Check recent postings on the fedora-list and you will find out that people that have updated the tests have a different version than the ones that upgraded from previous RH releases or did a clean install. -- William Hooper From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Nov 10 19:42:43 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:42:43 +0100 Subject: not receiving mail from *fedora-list*. In-Reply-To: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20031110204243.2d3c2185.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:01:18 -0500, Elton Woo wrote: > Sorry for posting this here. > > I had unsubscribed from the fedora-test-list last week, and immediately > subscribed to fedora-list on Friday, 7th. > I returned the confirmation of subscription (to fedora-list) that day, but > have not received *any* mails from the list. ... yet a visit to the > archives shows that the list is quite busy even up to today. > > Could someone kindly post to the fedora-list or advise the listmaster > of this? > (I've just re-subscribed to fedora-test-list, a few minutes ago, and have > already received one posting. Still nothing coming down from fedora-list!). Error fedora-list has no subscribed addr elwoo at videotron.ca. is what I get when I submit your address at the bottom of http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list assuming you tried to subscribe with that address and not a different on. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From notting at redhat.com Mon Nov 10 20:05:12 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:05:12 -0500 Subject: well this is Fedora Test Process related, so I suppose it belongs here..... In-Reply-To: <3FAF7A53.3000207@tuins.ac.jp>; from grant@tuins.ac.jp on Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:45:23PM +0900 References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC03E8@piramida.hermes.si> <3FAF55A6.1070408@tuins.ac.jp> <20031110105928.1f29f5d1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3FAF7A53.3000207@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20031110150512.C3432@devserv.devel.redhat.com> rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > No, I didn't mean that. I know it is still in the regular menu as Audio > Player, I mean that when you double click on an .ogg file (the icon for > which is still not bluecurve), Rhythmbox is what will be playing it. If > you right-click on that .ogg file, there is no mention of XMMS - you > have to choose Open With => An Application and then add it to the menu > there. It should't be that way unless is was that way in TEST 3, and it > wasn't. rhythmbox was added to the default install component. rhythmbox registers itself with the gnome MIME system; xmms doesn't. If xmms did, xmms would probably get used. Bill From eric at interplas.com Mon Nov 10 20:19:43 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:19:43 -0500 Subject: not receiving mail from *fedora-list*. References: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <015f01c3a7c7$fa1de6e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Elton Woo wrote: > Sorry for posting this here. > > I had unsubscribed from the fedora-test-list last week, and > immediately subscribed to fedora-list on Friday, 7th. Shouldn't this list live indefinitely since Fedora will always have test releases? After all, it won't ever be associated with a release name like "Yarrow" or what ever. Wonder why lots of people unsubscribed. The list should just be less active until the next test release. -eric wood From lsomike at futzin.com Mon Nov 10 20:37:45 2003 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:37:45 +0000 Subject: not receiving mail from *fedora-list*. In-Reply-To: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200311102037.45600.lsomike@futzin.com> On Monday 10 November 2003 19:01, Elton Woo wrote: > Sorry for posting this here. > > I had unsubscribed from the fedora-test-list last week, and > immediately subscribed to fedora-list on Friday, 7th. > I returned the confirmation of subscription (to fedora-list) that > day, but have not received *any* mails from the list. ... yet a > visit to the archives shows that the list is quite busy even up to > today. > > Could someone kindly post to the fedora-list or advise the listmaster > of this? > (I've just re-subscribed to fedora-test-list, a few minutes ago, and > have already received one posting. Still nothing coming down from > fedora-list!). > > TIA, > > Elton. The administrator's email address is at the bottom of the page: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list i.e. bfox at redhat.com He should be able to help..... Regards, Mike Klinke From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Nov 11 04:45:31 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:45:31 -0600 Subject: not receiving mail from *fedora-list*. In-Reply-To: <015f01c3a7c7$fa1de6e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <015f01c3a7c7$fa1de6e0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1068525931.15218.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 14:19, Eric Wood wrote: > Shouldn't this list live indefinitely since Fedora will always have test > releases? After all, it won't ever be associated with a release name like > "Yarrow" or what ever. Yes it should. > Wonder why lots of people unsubscribed. The list should just be less active > until the next test release. Because people on some of these lists (and more) get enough emails already and receiving emails from here when there really shouldn't be is more than enough until the next beta cycle? I am thinking of unsubscribing now as well just to get less emails until the next testing phase. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Do you hear me now?....GOOD!" From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 11 04:55:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:55:29 -0500 Subject: not receiving mail from *fedora-list*. In-Reply-To: <200311102037.45600.lsomike@futzin.com> References: <200311101401.18830.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200311102037.45600.lsomike@futzin.com> Message-ID: <200311102355.29509.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 10, 2003 03:37 pm, Mike Klinke Mike Klinke wrote: > The administrator's email address is at the bottom of the page: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > i.e. bfox at redhat.com > > He should be able to help..... Thank you. I have already reply from him. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From m.keir at qut.edu.au Tue Nov 11 07:09:03 2003 From: m.keir at qut.edu.au (Mark Keir) Date: 11 Nov 2003 17:09:03 +1000 Subject: core1 and active directory krb5 pam authentication Message-ID: <1068534543.1275.49.camel@s913mklap.eese.bee.qut.edu.au> I've just upgraded an RH9 box that uses an LDAP directory for userinfo and AD for authentication. I've been successfully using this config to handle user management on boxes from 7.1->9. After upgrade via CD to Fedora core1 no logins are possible (including root except after hacking grub to boot in superuser mode). Using authconfig to turn off KRB5 authentication (LDAP stays for lookups), logins happen just fine. Any other experiences like this? Would love to move to Fedora from RH9 for lab machines - the desktop speedup makes the old 600MHz machines workable. -- Mark Keir, Email: m.keir at qut.edu.au UNIX/LINUX Systems Administrator and OLT/WWW Manager, School of Electrical and Electronic Systems Engineering, Queensland University of Technology, CRICOS No. 00213J, Brisbane, Australia Phone: +61 7 3864 5018, Fax: +61 7 3864 9022 From jbinpg at shaw.ca Tue Nov 11 08:20:07 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:20:07 -0800 Subject: boot ordering of network and pcmcia In-Reply-To: References: <20031110155437.GC20749@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <20031111082007.GA21164@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:27:49PM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 10, 2003, "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: > > > Anyone know if this is a known issue? > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105591 Bonsoir, Alaexandre. Yes, I had to reorder pcmcia ahead of network the other night otherwise the boot would hang trying to bring up the network. Compaq Presario 2110CA; the nic uses the yenta driver. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 09:10:10 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 11 Nov 2003 07:10:10 -0200 Subject: boot ordering of network and pcmcia In-Reply-To: <20031111082007.GA21164@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <20031110155437.GC20749@e-smith.com> <20031111082007.GA21164@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: On Nov 11, 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 03:27:49PM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Nov 10, 2003, "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: >> >> > Anyone know if this is a known issue? >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105591 > Bonsoir, Alaexandre. Yes, I had to reorder pcmcia ahead of network > the other night otherwise the boot would hang trying to bring up the > network. Compaq Presario 2110CA; the nic uses the yenta driver. This smells familiar. By any chance, is it similar to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100528 ? -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From maxka at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 11 09:54:22 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:54:22 -0800 Subject: Unofficial FAQ Message-ID: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> Just to let everybody on the list know, I've written an Unofficial FAQ for Fedora, that answers questions that people have most commonly, and solves various issues that they have. It's at I wrote it because we were getting an incredible volume of questions on #fedora during the first few days of the release, and a FAQ was the only way to deal with it. It's been really helpful in the channel -- maybe it will be helpful to the list, too. If you have something that you think should be added, post the question (preferably with a solution) on I hope this helps some people out. -M (I've cross-posted to fedora-test-list just because so many questions keep coming up over there.) From mr700 at globalnet.bg Tue Nov 11 14:56:16 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:56:16 +0200 Subject: core1 and active directory krb5 pam authentication In-Reply-To: <1068534543.1275.49.camel@s913mklap.eese.bee.qut.edu.au> References: <1068534543.1275.49.camel@s913mklap.eese.bee.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <200311111656.16680@-mr700> On Tuesday 11 November 2003 09:09, Mark Keir wrote: > I've just upgraded an RH9 box that uses an LDAP directory for userinfo > and AD for authentication. I've been successfully using this config to > handle user management on boxes from 7.1->9. After upgrade via CD to > Fedora core1 no logins are possible (including root except after hacking > grub to boot in superuser mode). Using authconfig to turn off KRB5 > authentication (LDAP stays for lookups), logins happen just fine. Any > other experiences like this? Would love to move to Fedora from RH9 for > lab machines - the desktop speedup makes the old 600MHz machines > workable. If I remember right, there was something in the release notes about LDAP. ... | The openldap, postfix, and sendmail packages are now compiled using version 2 | of the Cyrus SASL library. For these packages, the default location of each | application's SASL configuration files has changed from /usr/lib/sasl to | /usr/lib/sasl2. In addition, some SASL configuration options have changed; | refer to /usr/share/doc/cyrus-sasl*/options.html for a list of options | recognized by version 2 of the Cyrus SASL library. ... yep, I remember ;) Also check what was upgraded and what not... Take a look at http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From don.vanco at agilysys.com Tue Nov 11 15:50:45 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:50:45 -0500 Subject: Unofficial FAQ Message-ID: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > Just to let everybody on the list know, I've written an > Unofficial FAQ > for Fedora, that answers questions that people have most commonly, and > solves various issues that they have. > > It's at > > I wrote it because we were getting an incredible volume > of questions on > #fedora during the first few days of the release, and a FAQ > was the only > way to deal with it. It's been really helpful in the channel -- maybe > it will be helpful to the list, too. > > If you have something that you think should be added, > post the question > (preferably with a solution) on > > I hope this helps some people out. My only comment would be on the sample yum.conf - it could use a bit more of a detailed description of the channels, and I personally would comment out the unstable and testing trees..... The assumption here being that relative "yum n00bs" are going to be the ones glomming the file.... Don From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Nov 11 16:10:16 2003 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:10:16 +0000 Subject: Core1 is not booting graphicaly In-Reply-To: <3FAFBE04.70006@ya.com> References: <3FAFB03D.2030109@ya.com> <1068479187.1798.72.camel@ahnews.music.salford.ac.uk> <3FAFBE04.70006@ya.com> Message-ID: <1068567016.4791.2.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> Heyah. You need to make sure rhgb is installed. then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and on the line where you see the kernel append (with a space) rhgb. Save, and reboot, and you should have your graphical booter. If it doesn't work, you can edit the line from the boot screen. just follow the onscrean instructions. Doug On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 16:34, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > PFJ escribi?: > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >>Now, whenever i boot, it goes in text mode. How can i switch (or better, > >>how can i toggle) between graphical and text-mode boot? > >> > >> > > > >If it's already going to a text login, you can just type startx after > >logging in. > > > >TTFN > > > >Paul > > > > > > > Thanks, but i was talking about graphical boot (kind of lpp). I have > been told that the answer is adding rhgb to grub.conf From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 16:29:19 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:29:19 -0800 Subject: Unofficial FAQ References: Message-ID: <001701c3a870$f5912700$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> I have been reading some of the problems that people have had with Fedora and the questions that have been posted and I would like to inform you that I did not have any problems with the installation and use of the applications. I have tested in many differents ways as upgrade and clean installation and I did not have any problems, it is a matter of being able to work it around and to find the proper drivers, for many of the problems I have used a manual written for Redhat 9 and my personal experiences. I have tested others distro that came before Fedora such as Libranet 2.8.1, Mandrake 9.2 and Suse pro 9.0 and I prefer Fedora, I do not care about colors and others comestics features, what I care is about the stability and the configuration of the OS. I have never seen a perfect OS in my life testing and using computers programs and I started when we had key punch operators. Fedora is a very fertile ground to build a perfect desktop OS, because it counts with the expertise of Redhat and will attract the best developers of the Linux Community, but nothing can be taken for granted, it takes time and efforts to do it. I have not had any problems with Fedora it is working like a champion in a dual enviroment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanco, Don" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:50 AM Subject: RE: Unofficial FAQ > fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > > Just to let everybody on the list know, I've written an > > Unofficial FAQ > > for Fedora, that answers questions that people have most commonly, and > > solves various issues that they have. > > > > It's at > > > > I wrote it because we were getting an incredible volume > > of questions on > > #fedora during the first few days of the release, and a FAQ > > was the only > > way to deal with it. It's been really helpful in the channel -- maybe > > it will be helpful to the list, too. > > > > If you have something that you think should be added, > > post the question > > (preferably with a solution) on > > > > I hope this helps some people out. > My only comment would be on the sample yum.conf - it could use a bit > more of a detailed description of the channels, and I personally would > comment out the unstable and testing trees..... The assumption here being > that relative "yum n00bs" are going to be the ones glomming the file.... > > Don > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nalin at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 16:57:04 2003 From: nalin at redhat.com (Nalin Dahyabhai) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:57:04 -0500 Subject: core1 and active directory krb5 pam authentication In-Reply-To: <1068534543.1275.49.camel@s913mklap.eese.bee.qut.edu.au> References: <1068534543.1275.49.camel@s913mklap.eese.bee.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <20031111165704.GA2527@redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:09:03PM +1000, Mark Keir wrote: > I've just upgraded an RH9 box that uses an LDAP directory for userinfo > and AD for authentication. I've been successfully using this config to > handle user management on boxes from 7.1->9. After upgrade via CD to > Fedora core1 no logins are possible (including root except after hacking > grub to boot in superuser mode). Using authconfig to turn off KRB5 > authentication (LDAP stays for lookups), logins happen just fine. Any > other experiences like this? Would love to move to Fedora from RH9 for > lab machines - the desktop speedup makes the old 600MHz machines > workable. Are you getting error messages in your logs? If so, what do they say? Nalin From mspencer at evidentdata.com Tue Nov 11 16:57:23 2003 From: mspencer at evidentdata.com (Mark G. Spencer) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:57:23 -0800 Subject: Securing Fedora? Message-ID: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> I'm looking for suggestions on something comprehensive I can read regarding securing Fedora. I want to use a Fedora machine as a personal web and email server, but also want to make sure it's locked down before I throw it up live. Would any Red Hat book dealing with security be appropriate? I understand there is plenty of reading on securing Linux distributions in general, but figure there is probably some more timely information I would need to know since Fedora is more bleeding edge .. Thanks, Mark From nbecker at hns.com Tue Nov 11 17:05:07 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:05:07 -0500 Subject: gpm init fails Message-ID: <200311111205.07678.nbecker@hns.com> Nov 11 11:39:25 rpppc1 init: open(/dev/pts/0): No such file or directory Nov 11 11:39:25 rpppc1 last message repeated 2 times [...] Nov 11 11:39:30 rpppc1 gpm[4921]: O0o.oops(): [gpm.c(949)]: Nov 11 11:39:30 rpppc1 gpm[4921]: mouse initialization failed Perhaps these 2 failures are related? Just a guess. From lmandrake at gmx.de Tue Nov 11 17:21:33 2003 From: lmandrake at gmx.de (Felix Roeser) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:21:33 +0100 Subject: directory names mismatch on the cds Message-ID: <20031111172133.GA8408@localhost.localdomain> Hey, after installing fedora without KDE I decided to give it a try. So, i started redhat-config-packages and selected the KDE stuff. But all I get is an error message : "/mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/kdebase-3.1.4-6.i386.rpm not found". This directory RedHat doesn't really match which the cd layout, should be Fedora instead. Seems to be a bug (don't know if it's new) in the package list. I could copy all the files from the cd to my own apt repository or download them from the net. But perhaps somebody knows a workaround?! Cu Felix From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 11 17:35:52 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:35:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: directory names mismatch on the cds In-Reply-To: <20031111172133.GA8408@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031111172133.GA8408@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4073.12.29.16.103.1068572152.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Felix Roeser said: > Hey, > > after installing fedora without KDE I decided to give it a try. So, i > started redhat-config-packages and selected the KDE stuff. But all I get > is an error message : "/mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/kdebase-3.1.4-6.i386.rpm not > found". This directory RedHat doesn't really match which the cd layout, > should be Fedora instead. > Seems to be a bug (don't know if it's new) in the package list. A) This belongs in the fedora-list, because you are not using a FC test. B) Searching the fedora-list archives will give you the FTP site for an updated redhat-config-packages that should fix your issue. -- William Hooper From dgenn at rogers.com Tue Nov 11 17:36:52 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:36:52 -0500 Subject: Securing Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Message-ID: <20031111173622.IUFV320036.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Read the Red hat security guide to start and I would also recommend Securing and Optimizing Red Hat Linux http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-The-Ultimate-Soluti on-v2.0.pdf by Gerhard Mourani. You may also want to look at the Bastille hardening program for Redhat 9. Not sure if it will work with Fedora though. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark G. Spencer Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:57 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Securing Fedora? I'm looking for suggestions on something comprehensive I can read regarding securing Fedora. I want to use a Fedora machine as a personal web and email server, but also want to make sure it's locked down before I throw it up live. Would any Red Hat book dealing with security be appropriate? I understand there is plenty of reading on securing Linux distributions in general, but figure there is probably some more timely information I would need to know since Fedora is more bleeding edge .. Thanks, Mark -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From zate at superfreeway.com Tue Nov 11 17:36:45 2003 From: zate at superfreeway.com (Zate) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:36:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sun 24.1 Inch Monitor ? In-Reply-To: <200311111205.07678.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311111205.07678.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <47271.155.201.35.50.1068572205.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Hi All, anyone have any idea how to get this working at 1920x1200 in Fedora ? It will only do 1280x1024 -- IT is Dead. The industry is Shot Join Others Who Feel Your Pain http://www.internalstrife.com/ From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 17:49:19 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:49:19 -0800 Subject: Sun 24.1 Inch Monitor ? References: <200311111205.07678.nbecker@hns.com> <47271.155.201.35.50.1068572205.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <003101c3a87c$231c8ab0$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> Does your Video Card or Monitor allow this type of resolution ? If they do so, try to adjust the display mode by going into the setting, The icon "start here" will allow to go into differents types of setting for display, keyboards, etc., etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zate" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Sun 24.1 Inch Monitor ? > Hi All, > > anyone have any idea how to get this working at 1920x1200 in Fedora ? > > It will only do 1280x1024 > > -- > IT is Dead. The industry is Shot > Join Others Who Feel Your Pain > http://www.internalstrife.com/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From admin at cs.montana.edu Tue Nov 11 18:07:00 2003 From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:07:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: Securing Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> References: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Message-ID: <1251.216.166.133.206.1068574020.squirrel@www.cs.montana.edu> The best book I've found on this is: "Real World Linux Security" The security suggestions are applicable to any linux release. It takes awhile to read, and is directly applicable. > I'm looking for suggestions on something comprehensive I can read > regarding securing Fedora. I want to use a Fedora machine as a personal > web and email server, but also want to make sure it's locked down before From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 18:19:23 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:19:23 -0800 Subject: Securing Fedora? References: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <1251.216.166.133.206.1068574020.squirrel@www.cs.montana.edu> Message-ID: <004701c3a880$562a2a30$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> I am just using the firewall provided by Linux software itself, it has three or four levels of adjustments including paranoic and also I am using a firewalled router and that is enough to protect my files. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucas Albers" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Securing Fedora? > The best book I've found on this is: > "Real World Linux Security" > The security suggestions are applicable to any linux release. > It takes awhile to read, and is directly applicable. > > > I'm looking for suggestions on something comprehensive I can read > > regarding securing Fedora. I want to use a Fedora machine as a personal > > web and email server, but also want to make sure it's locked down before > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-listredhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From fdauer at esesix.com Tue Nov 11 18:20:30 2003 From: fdauer at esesix.com (Frank Dauer) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:20:30 +0100 Subject: Sun 24.1 Inch Monitor ? Message-ID: Hi, > anyone have any idea how to get this working at 1920x1200 in Fedora ? > > It will only do 1280x1024 chances are that this is a relabeled Sony w900. I own the same and got working results based on this: http://www.flat222.org/mac/w900.html Bye, Frank From whb at ceimaine.org Tue Nov 11 18:12:19 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:12:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Securing Fedora? In-Reply-To: <004701c3a880$562a2a30$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> References: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <1251.216.166.133.206.1068574020.squirrel@www.cs.montana.edu> <004701c3a880$562a2a30$6401a8c0@marcosiu3bc7lz> Message-ID: <4162.142.167.72.118.1068574339.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> >> >> > I'm looking for suggestions on something comprehensive I can read >> regarding securing Fedora. I want to use a Fedora machine as a >> personal web and email server, but also want to make sure it's >> locked down before Take a look at the bastille project. Even if you don't use the tool, look at what it does. From mspencer at evidentdata.com Tue Nov 11 19:37:17 2003 From: mspencer at evidentdata.com (Mark G. Spencer) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:37:17 -0800 Subject: Fedora install exits abnormally - "received signal 15".. Message-ID: <20031111113717.387458789.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Hello, After getting some great advice from others on this mailing list regarding FTP installation of Fedora, I was able to begin an install using FTP on an older Sony laptop. I thought everything was going great when I saw that the Fedora install logged into my FTP server and began downloading Fedora/base/netstg2.img, but the screen eventually blanked out (I think after this file was downloaded? The NIC was obviously transferring data and then stopped) and I got the following message: "install exited abnormally -- received signal 15" And then the install shuts down. Is this something I might be able to fix? The laptop is a Sony PCG-505G w/ a Pentium MMX. The NIC I'm using is a Linksys PCM100. (I tried a couple other NIC's without success, this PCM100 finally worked and got DHCP, logged into my FTP, etc.) Thanks for the help, Mark From scott at eardown.com Tue Nov 11 19:41:54 2003 From: scott at eardown.com (scott at eardown.com) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:41:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Securing Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> References: <20031111085723.1081898721.mspencer@evidentdata.com> Message-ID: <29562.66.167.157.242.1068579714.squirrel@www.eardown.com> I'm not sure if you know about it...but a good firewall, one that I use on my Fedora web, e-mail, etc. server is Firestarter. http://firestarter.sourceforge.net > I'm looking for suggestions on something comprehensive I can read > regarding securing Fedora. I want to use a Fedora machine as a personal > web and email server, but also want to make sure it's locked down before I > throw it up live. Would any Red Hat book dealing with security be > appropriate? I understand there is plenty of reading on securing Linux > distributions in general, but figure there is probably some more timely > information I would need to know since Fedora is more bleeding edge .. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From don.vanco at agilysys.com Tue Nov 11 20:18:11 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:18:11 -0500 Subject: Securing Fedora? Message-ID: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > I'm not sure if you know about it...but a good firewall, one that I > use on my Fedora web, e-mail, etc. server is Firestarter. > > http://firestarter.sourceforge.net Haven't had a chance to look it over yet - but does it offer any hooks into the Fedora iptables "services commands" (saving rules, etc)? Don From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 11 20:26:57 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:26:57 -0500 Subject: Bug # 107312 ... comments, please? Message-ID: <200311111526.57264.elwoo@videotron.ca> Dscription: Copy selection fails with gedit, if the mouse pointer is outside of the selected text. IIRC, this is an old bug (from pre- RH 9 / "Shrike), which seems to have resurfaced, and is still present in Fedora Core 1 "Yarrow". LINK:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107312 Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 11 20:32:28 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:32:28 -0500 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow Message-ID: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> Am I the only one using kmail? This bug is still present in Fedora Core 1 "Yarrow: Description: Kmail created phantom "no subject" messages if it is NOT closed before exiting the Gnome desktop. LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102532 Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From paul at frields.com Tue Nov 11 20:56:00 2003 From: paul at frields.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:56:00 -0500 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:32, Elton Woo wrote: > Am I the only one using kmail? This bug is still present in Fedora > Core 1 "Yarrow: > > Description: Kmail created phantom "no subject" messages if it > is NOT closed before exiting the Gnome desktop. > > LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102532 Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE From otaylor at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 20:56:29 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:56:29 -0500 Subject: Bug # 107312 ... comments, please? In-Reply-To: <200311111526.57264.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311111526.57264.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068584189.470.12.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:26, Elton Woo wrote: > Dscription: Copy selection fails with gedit, if the mouse pointer is > outside of the selected text. > IIRC, this is an old bug (from pre- RH 9 / "Shrike), which seems > to have resurfaced, and is still present in Fedora Core 1 "Yarrow". > LINK:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107312 A) Yarrow is not a test release, so no mail should go to this list. B) There is generally no point in mailing the list when you file a bug in bugzilla, unless you think the bug is somehow controversial and in need of discussion. C) There is no reason to think this behavior is Red Hat specific, so it would have been best to file this in upstream GNOME bugzilla instead. Comparison with the 'testtext' program from the gtk2-devel package indicates that it is a gedit-specific issue rather than a general GTK+ issue. Regards, Owen From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Nov 11 20:59:32 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 11 Nov 2003 15:59:32 -0500 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1068584372.27893.16.camel@opus> > Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop > posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the > test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. a zany idea. Close posting to this list until a test is released again. -sv From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 11 21:15:41 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:15:41 -0500 Subject: Bug # 107312 ... comments, please? In-Reply-To: <1068584189.470.12.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311111526.57264.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584189.470.12.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311111615.41413.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 11, 2003 03:56 pm, Owen Taylor Owen Taylor wrote: > There is generally no point in mailing the list when you file > a bug in bugzilla, unless you think the bug is somehow > controversial and in need of discussion. Ok. I guess I am unclear on the situation. So I will post these bug comments on fedora-list instead, and (probably) should unsubscribe from fedora-test-list, right? Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From j.rink at freenet.de Tue Nov 11 06:41:33 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:41:33 +0100 Subject: Fedora and Nvidia ????? In-Reply-To: <20031109104937.DABF03980@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20031109104937.DABF03980@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20031111074133.0ac3b907.j.rink@freenet.de> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:49:37 -0500 (EST) "PatrickM" wrote: > > After installing Fedora (looks really nice!), > I tried to install the Nvdia 4496 driver and ended up with a message > telling me that it couldn't install it:" You appear to be compiling > the NVIDIA kernel module with a compiler different from the one that > was used to compile the running kernel." Hi, and when you read further, the solution stands in the error message. At the moment i am not sure if the CC= export was the only thing you need, IMHO there must be set an bvariable like IGNORE or soemthing like that. At the moment i am sitting in a train and do not have access to inernet or my home computer, on which i install the nvidia drivers on fedora beta 0.94. When i am not answering in this group in the next 2 or 3 days and you do not have a solution, please feel free to write a private e-mail to me. CU -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From lmandrake at gmx.de Tue Nov 11 21:29:38 2003 From: lmandrake at gmx.de (Felix Roeser) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:29:38 +0100 Subject: directory names mismatch on the cds In-Reply-To: <4073.12.29.16.103.1068572152.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <20031111172133.GA8408@localhost.localdomain> <4073.12.29.16.103.1068572152.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <20031111212938.GB8974@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > A) This belongs in the fedora-list, because you are not using a FC test. Sorry, you're right. I mixed it up.... > B) Searching the fedora-list archives will give you the FTP site for an > updated redhat-config-packages that should fix your issue. Thanks. I've found it. Such an update should be worth to be put in the regular update places... Felix From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Tue Nov 11 21:49:17 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?ISO-8859-3?Q?Fernando_=C1lvarez-Ur=EDa?=) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:49:17 +0100 Subject: Troubles creating sessions Message-ID: <3FB1595D.2090404@ya.com> Hi all! Ive just installed xfce4; it creates an entry in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions called Xfce4, but it doesnt appear in the menu of gdm (the loging screen). Does anyone knows where to place the scripts for starting new sessions of window managers? Untill redhat9, it was done as usual: putting the script in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Nov 11 21:58:17 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:58:17 -0500 Subject: Fedora and Nvidia ????? In-Reply-To: <20031111074133.0ac3b907.j.rink@freenet.de> References: <20031109104937.DABF03980@mprdmxin.myway.com> <20031111074133.0ac3b907.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: <200311111658.17385.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 11, 2003 01:41 am, J?rn Rink J?rn Rink wrote: > On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:49:37 -0500 (EST) > > "PatrickM" wrote: > > After installing Fedora (looks really nice!), > > I tried to install the Nvdia 4496 driver and ended up with a message > > telling me that it couldn't install it:" You appear to be compiling > > the NVIDIA kernel module with a compiler different from the one that > > was used to compile the running kernel." This has been discussed in the past, and is in both the shrike-list and fedora-test-list archives. 1) From runlevel 3 (non-graphic mode), you do: export CC=gcc32 2) root] # NVIDIA~.run 3) root] # rpm -e -nodeps Xfree-Mesa-GL (do NOT remove Mesa-GLU)! ... again: please review in the archives. cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 11 22:38:42 2003 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (Matheesha) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:38:42 +0000 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> Message-ID: <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 05:04, Z wrote: > Works great on mine, except that the Fn key doesn't work. It was a > *bitch* to make it work in XP as well. Are you trying to use the hotkeys for adjusting the volume, brightness etc..? In Windows, VAIO laptops require some Sony software installed (somethng like Sony hotkey utils or similar) which install some drivers that allow these hotkey combinations to work. Correct me if I am wrong but unless there is a linux equivalent, I doubt you will get this to work. HTH M@ From maxka at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 11 22:40:03 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:40:03 -0800 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068590403.7168.14.camel@max.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 07:50, Vanco, Don wrote: > My only comment would be on the sample yum.conf - it could use a bit > more of a detailed description of the channels, and I personally would > comment out the unstable and testing trees..... The assumption here being > that relative "yum n00bs" are going to be the ones glomming the file.... Hahaha. The reason that I kept those unstable and testing trees in there was that people were going to ask us where that software was. Also, I've yet to have any serious problem with any "unstable" or "testing" package, except perhaps one crash and one lockup. -M From otaylor at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 23:18:05 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:18:05 -0500 Subject: Bug # 107312 ... comments, please? In-Reply-To: <200311111615.41413.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311111526.57264.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584189.470.12.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <200311111615.41413.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068592685.470.22.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 16:15, Elton Woo wrote: > On November 11, 2003 03:56 pm, Owen Taylor Owen Taylor > wrote: > > There is generally no point in mailing the list when you file > > a bug in bugzilla, unless you think the bug is somehow > > controversial and in need of discussion. > Ok. I guess I am unclear on the situation. So I will post these bug > comments on fedora-list instead, and (probably) should unsubscribe > from fedora-test-list, right? If you, say, think you have a fix for a bug, but are not sure how it interacts with general fedora policy, that would be a great subject for fedora-devel-list. If you want to ask, "I see this behavior, and I'm not sure if it's a bug or not", that would be a reasonable question for fedora-list. If you just want to say, "hey, look, I found a bug!", that might better go to /dev/null. :-) If people are interested in incoming bug reports, perhaps we need some mechanism for allowing people to watch all new Fedora bug reports, such as a specialized mailing list. But I don't think that's any of the existing fedora lists. Regards, Owen From notting at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 23:22:30 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:22:30 -0500 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <1068584372.27893.16.camel@opus>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:59:32PM -0500 References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1068584372.27893.16.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031111182230.C21674@devserv.devel.redhat.com> seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop > > posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the > > test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. > > a zany idea. > Close posting to this list until a test is released again. Nah, we have to discuss updates-in-testing. :) Bill From jbinpg at shaw.ca Tue Nov 11 23:30:58 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:58 -0800 Subject: Securing Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031111233058.GC2245@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:18:11PM -0500, Vanco, Don wrote: > fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: > > I'm not sure if you know about it...but a good firewall, one that I > > use on my Fedora web, e-mail, etc. server is Firestarter. > > > > http://firestarter.sourceforge.net > Haven't had a chance to look it over yet - but does it offer any > hooks into the Fedora iptables "services commands" (saving rules, etc)? Firestarter works independently of Fedora's own firewall system but it fully utilizes the netfilter/iptables framework. If you use Firestarter, you should turn off the Fedora iptables service to allow FS to run things on its own. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From wrrhdev at riede.org Tue Nov 11 23:34:52 2003 From: wrrhdev at riede.org (Willem Riede) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:34:52 -0500 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? Message-ID: <20031111233452.GC13753@linnie.riede.org> Unlike previous versions (last I tried that had it was kernel-2.6.0-0.test8.1.66.i686.rpm) kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test9.1.76.i686.rpm does not have the ied-scsi module. It's config has: configs/kernel-2.6.0-test9-i686.config:# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set This is really annoying, and actually leaves all owners of IDE OnStream tape drives (where osst needs ide-scsi) in the cold! They will have to recompile every time :-( Can this decision _please_ be revoked? Thanks, Willem Riede. (maintainer of the osst driver) From pedrofsilva at netcabo.pt Tue Nov 11 23:38:55 2003 From: pedrofsilva at netcabo.pt (Pedro Silva) Date: 11 Nov 2003 23:38:55 +0000 Subject: Troubles creating sessions In-Reply-To: <3FB1595D.2090404@ya.com> References: <3FB1595D.2090404@ya.com> Message-ID: <1068593935.32642.10.camel@utopia> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 21:49, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > Hi all! > > Ive just installed xfce4; it creates an entry in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions > called Xfce4, but it doesnt appear in the menu of gdm (the loging screen). > > Does anyone knows where to place the scripts for starting new sessions > of window managers? > > Untill redhat9, it was done as usual: putting the script in > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. Hi! I've just installed XFce4 through rpms (from xfce.org) and have the same problem. I found a way to make it work but it's no solution. During login, choose Failsafe Terminal from session menu. This will log you in only with a xterm window. In xterm execute: /usr/bin/startxfce4. This will start XFCE, but you can never close the first xterm because it will log you out. Hoping to get a xfce freshrpm soon. -- Pedro Silva From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Nov 11 23:40:52 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:40:52 +0100 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? References: <20031111233452.GC13753@linnie.riede.org> Message-ID: <3FB17384.4070404@wanadoo.es> Willem Riede wrote: > Unlike previous versions (last I tried that had it was kernel-2.6.0-0.test8.1.66.i686.rpm) > kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test9.1.76.i686.rpm does not have the ied-scsi module. > > It's config has: > configs/kernel-2.6.0-test9-i686.config:# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set > > This is really annoying, and actually leaves all owners of IDE OnStream tape drives > (where osst needs ide-scsi) in the cold! They will have to recompile every time :-( > > Can this decision _please_ be revoked? ide-scsi is broken -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Tue Nov 11 23:48:29 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?UTF-8?B?RmVybmFuZG8gw4FsdmFyZXotVXLDrWE=?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:48:29 +0100 Subject: Troubles creating sessions In-Reply-To: <1068593935.32642.10.camel@utopia> References: <3FB1595D.2090404@ya.com> <1068593935.32642.10.camel@utopia> Message-ID: <3FB1754D.8020406@ya.com> Pedro Silva escribi?: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 21:49, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > >>Hi all! >> >>Ive just installed xfce4; it creates an entry in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions >>called Xfce4, but it doesnt appear in the menu of gdm (the loging screen). >> >>Does anyone knows where to place the scripts for starting new sessions >>of window managers? >> >>Untill redhat9, it was done as usual: putting the script in >>/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. > > > Hi! > > I've just installed XFce4 through rpms (from xfce.org) and have the same > problem. > I found a way to make it work but it's no solution. During login, choose > Failsafe Terminal from session menu. This will log you in only with a > xterm window. In xterm execute: /usr/bin/startxfce4. > This will start XFCE, but you can never close the first xterm because it > will log you out. > > Hoping to get a xfce freshrpm soon. > > Thank you. I have already tried this; what im wondering is where is the information that gdm needs to be able to manage other sessions than gnome, kde or failsafe. I dont know the reason of this change of behavior, but im not sure it benefits so much this distro... -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com From wrrhdev at riede.org Wed Nov 12 00:02:11 2003 From: wrrhdev at riede.org (Willem Riede) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:02:11 -0500 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <3FB17384.4070404@wanadoo.es> (from xose@wanadoo.es on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 18:40:52 -0500) References: <20031111233452.GC13753@linnie.riede.org> <3FB17384.4070404@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20031112000211.GE13753@linnie.riede.org> On 2003.11.11 18:40, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Willem Riede wrote: > > > Unlike previous versions (last I tried that had it was kernel-2.6.0-0.test8.1.66.i686.rpm) > > kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test9.1.76.i686.rpm does not have the ied-scsi module. > > > > It's config has: > > configs/kernel-2.6.0-test9-i686.config:# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set > > > > This is really annoying, and actually leaves all owners of IDE OnStream tape drives > > (where osst needs ide-scsi) in the cold! They will have to recompile every time :-( > > > > Can this decision _please_ be revoked? > > ide-scsi is broken Then why was it working just fine for me in test8? And if it is not perfect, it needs fixing, not ignoring. Regards, willem Riede. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 12 00:08:15 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:08:15 -0500 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <20031111182230.C21674@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1068584372.27893.16.camel@opus> <20031111182230.C21674@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068595694.32071.1.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 18:22, Bill Nottingham wrote: > seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > > Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop > > > posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the > > > test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. > > > > a zany idea. > > Close posting to this list until a test is released again. > > Nah, we have to discuss updates-in-testing. :) > Ok - good idea - so if I were to, for example, build/backport patches to ethereal for the latest bug, should I post the url to the test rpms here? -sv From xose at wanadoo.es Wed Nov 12 00:09:04 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:09:04 +0100 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? References: <20031111233452.GC13753@linnie.riede.org> <3FB17384.4070404@wanadoo.es> <20031112000211.GE13753@linnie.riede.org> Message-ID: <3FB17A20.6000706@wanadoo.es> Willem Riede wrote: > Then why was it working just fine for me in test8? > > And if it is not perfect, it needs fixing, not ignoring. from http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/post-halloween-2.5.txt o ide-scsi is completely broken in 2.6 currently. Known problem. If you need it either use 2.4 or fix it 8) ask linux-kernel, they are the guilty ;-) -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Wed Nov 12 00:12:18 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:12:18 +0100 Subject: Troubles creating sessions In-Reply-To: <3FB1754D.8020406@ya.com> References: <3FB1595D.2090404@ya.com> <1068593935.32642.10.camel@utopia> <3FB1754D.8020406@ya.com> Message-ID: <20031112011218.35955062.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:48:29 +0100, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: [directory for GDM session scripts] > I have already tried this; what im wondering is where is > the information that gdm needs to be able to manage other sessions > than gnome, kde or failsafe. This has already been discussed on fedora-list two weeks ago (which is the right list to post to, BTW). http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-October/msg01111.html --Kai From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 12 00:16:45 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:16:45 +0000 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <20031112000211.GE13753@linnie.riede.org> References: <20031111233452.GC13753@linnie.riede.org> <3FB17384.4070404@wanadoo.es> <20031112000211.GE13753@linnie.riede.org> Message-ID: <1068596204.1605.2.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 00:02, Willem Riede wrote: > > ide-scsi is broken > > Then why was it working just fine for me in test8? > > And if it is not perfect, it needs fixing, not ignoring. You may want to check out the linux kernel mailing list as there is a lot of traffic about ide-scsi (probably related). Linus is involved and basically it seems like it's broken and going to stay broken until people contribute code. So get out your vi/emacs or shut up :). From davej at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 00:19:14 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:19:14 +0000 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <20031112001914.GF7782@redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:38:42PM +0000, Matheesha wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 05:04, Z wrote: > > Works great on mine, except that the Fn key doesn't work. It was a > > *bitch* to make it work in XP as well. > > Are you trying to use the hotkeys for adjusting the volume, brightness > etc..? In Windows, VAIO laptops require some Sony software installed > (somethng like Sony hotkey utils or similar) which install some drivers > that allow these hotkey combinations to work. Correct me if I am wrong > but unless there is a linux equivalent, I doubt you will get this to > work. That'll likely be the sonypi module. There are a bunch of tools that work with /dev/sonypi, I'm not sure which (if any) of these we ship, but freshmeat will no doubt have them listed. Dave From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 00:40:28 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:40:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <1068596204.1605.2.camel@earth.xades.com> from "nosp" at Tach 12, 2003 12:16:45 Message-ID: <200311120040.hAC0eT522347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > You may want to check out the linux kernel mailing list as there is a > lot of traffic about ide-scsi (probably related). Linus is involved and > basically it seems like it's broken and going to stay broken until > people contribute code. So get out your vi/emacs or shut up :). Fixes were posted 6 months ago From nosp at xades.com Wed Nov 12 00:44:07 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:44:07 +0000 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <200311120040.hAC0eT522347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311120040.hAC0eT522347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068597847.1808.1.camel@earth.xades.com> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 00:40, Alan Cox wrote: > > You may want to check out the linux kernel mailing list as there is a > > lot of traffic about ide-scsi (probably related). Linus is involved and > > basically it seems like it's broken and going to stay broken until > > people contribute code. So get out your vi/emacs or shut up :). > > Fixes were posted 6 months ago I should have also said: *Alan* and Linus and everyone is involved, so I who am not worthy will bow out very quickly :). For us mortals does this mean ide-scsi support is planned (targeted? viable? hoped-for?) for FC2? From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 00:52:47 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:52:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <1068597847.1808.1.camel@earth.xades.com> from "nosp" at Tach 12, 2003 12:44:07 Message-ID: <200311120052.hAC0qlY28658@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I should have also said: *Alan* and Linus and everyone is involved, so I > who am not worthy will bow out very quickly :). Was involved. I got bored of wondering why nobody was fixing it in 2.6 when I fixed it all in 2.4. Ditto porting stuff like hotplug IDE, tho I've not looked if that one was done. From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 01:58:10 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <1068595694.32071.1.camel@binkley>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:08:15PM -0500 References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1068584372.27893.16.camel@opus> <20031111182230.C21674@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1068595694.32071.1.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031111205810.C17216@devserv.devel.redhat.com> seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 18:22, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > > > Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop > > > > posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the > > > > test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. > > > > > > a zany idea. > > > Close posting to this list until a test is released again. > > > > Nah, we have to discuss updates-in-testing. :) > > > > Ok - good idea - so if I were to, for example, build/backport patches to > ethereal for the latest bug, should I post the url to the test rpms > here? Sure, why not. Bill From wrrhdev at riede.org Wed Nov 12 02:07:21 2003 From: wrrhdev at riede.org (Willem Riede) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:07:21 -0500 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <200311120052.hAC0qlY28658@devserv.devel.redhat.com> (from alan@redhat.com on Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 19:52:47 -0500) References: <200311120052.hAC0qlY28658@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031112020721.GG13753@linnie.riede.org> On 2003.11.11 19:52, Alan Cox wrote: > > I should have also said: *Alan* and Linus and everyone is involved, so I > > who am not worthy will bow out very quickly :). > > Was involved. I got bored of wondering why nobody was fixing it in 2.6 > when I fixed it all in 2.4. Ditto porting stuff like hotplug IDE, tho > I've not looked if that one was done. > And while I would never dare to compare my feeble efforts to Alan's, I have posted on improvements to ide-scsi on linux-scsi list myself (1). When recently I decided to see where it stands, and tried Arjan's test 8 kernel, I was pleasantly surprised at how well it worked. Hence also my disappointment to see it disabled. And to "nosp" - I have every intention to get out my vi, but that doesn't help if the result won't get used. Thanks, Willem Riede. (1) see a/o http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-scsi&m=104361480527780&w=2 From pedrofsilva at netcabo.pt Wed Nov 12 02:59:31 2003 From: pedrofsilva at netcabo.pt (Pedro Silva) Date: 12 Nov 2003 02:59:31 +0000 Subject: Troubles creating sessions In-Reply-To: <20031112011218.35955062.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> References: <3FB1595D.2090404@ya.com> <1068593935.32642.10.camel@utopia> <3FB1754D.8020406@ya.com> <20031112011218.35955062.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1068605971.32642.12.camel@utopia> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 00:12, Kai Thomsen wrote: > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:48:29 +0100, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > > [directory for GDM session scripts] > > > I have already tried this; what im wondering is where is > > the information that gdm needs to be able to manage other sessions > > than gnome, kde or failsafe. > > This has already been discussed on fedora-list two weeks ago (which is > the right list to post to, BTW). > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-October/msg01111.html > Thanks for the "heads up". It works. -- Pedro Silva From zleite at mminternet.com Wed Nov 12 04:16:10 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:16:10 -0800 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <20031112001914.GF7782@redhat.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <20031112001914.GF7782@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068610570.4646.3.camel@Z> Ie been playing with sonypi, no luck so far. The driver from sony (for Win2k/XP) was really hard to get going as well... On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 16:19, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:38:42PM +0000, Matheesha wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 05:04, Z wrote: > > > Works great on mine, except that the Fn key doesn't work. It was a > > > *bitch* to make it work in XP as well. > > > > Are you trying to use the hotkeys for adjusting the volume, brightness > > etc..? In Windows, VAIO laptops require some Sony software installed > > (somethng like Sony hotkey utils or similar) which install some drivers > > that allow these hotkey combinations to work. Correct me if I am wrong > > but unless there is a linux equivalent, I doubt you will get this to > > work. > > That'll likely be the sonypi module. > There are a bunch of tools that work with /dev/sonypi, I'm not sure > which (if any) of these we ship, but freshmeat will no doubt have them > listed. > > Dave > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Nov 12 04:20:19 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:20:19 -0500 Subject: Bug # 107312 ... comments, please? In-Reply-To: <1068592685.470.22.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311111526.57264.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200311111615.41413.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068592685.470.22.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311112320.19767.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 11, 2003 06:18 pm, Owen Taylor Owen Taylor wrote: > If you, say, think you have a fix for a bug, but are not sure > how it interacts with general fedora policy, that would be a great > subject for fedora-devel-list. Well, I'm not a programmer, so that would not apply to me ... > If you want to ask, "I see this behavior, and I'm not sure if it's > a bug or not", that would be a reasonable question for fedora-list. Of *that*, I clearly understand. > If you just want to say, "hey, look, I found a bug!", that might > better go to /dev/null. :-) .. what about a bug that is still existing from Fedora Core Test3, which still stubbornly "refuses to be quashed" and found it's way into Fedora Core Release 1 (Yarrow)? .. and which the Red Hatters are still interested in "killing"? ... such as the one on the subject line of this posting ... > > If people are interested in incoming bug reports, perhaps we need some > mechanism for allowing people to watch all new Fedora bug reports, such > as a specialized mailing list. But I don't think that's any of the > existing fedora lists Ok. Understood. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Nov 12 04:28:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:28:29 -0500 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <200311112328.29432.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 11, 2003 05:38 pm, Matheesha Matheesha wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 05:04, Z wrote: > > Works great on mine, except that the Fn key doesn't work. It was a > > *bitch* to make it work in XP as well. > > Are you trying to use the hotkeys for adjusting the volume, brightness > etc..? In Windows, VAIO laptops require some Sony software installed > (somethng like Sony hotkey utils or similar) which install some drivers > that allow these hotkey combinations to work. Correct me if I am wrong > but unless there is a linux equivalent, I doubt you will get this to ... if I may suggest: there is the "lineak" project (search on google or sourceforge) which is aimed at providing the enablement of the "Windows" and multimedia keys under linux. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From kevin at loose-screws.com Wed Nov 12 04:41:15 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:41:15 +0800 Subject: Securing Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031111233058.GC2245@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <20031111233058.GC2245@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3FB1B9EB.3030108@loose-screws.com> i find firestarter ... a little flaky under heavy traffic. just 10 people probing me ( i wanted to test the firewall ), and the frontend crashed and burned, and wouldn't load after that. other than that ... it works great -- Kevin Francis Jack Bowling wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:18:11PM -0500, Vanco, Don wrote: > >>fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com wrote: >> >>>I'm not sure if you know about it...but a good firewall, one that I >>>use on my Fedora web, e-mail, etc. server is Firestarter. >>> >>>http://firestarter.sourceforge.net >> >> Haven't had a chance to look it over yet - but does it offer any >>hooks into the Fedora iptables "services commands" (saving rules, etc)? > > > Firestarter works independently of Fedora's own firewall system but it > fully utilizes the netfilter/iptables framework. If you use Firestarter, > you should turn off the Fedora iptables service to allow FS to run > things on its own. From alexl at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 08:41:28 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 12 Nov 2003 09:41:28 +0100 Subject: Bug # 107312 ... comments, please? In-Reply-To: <200311112320.19767.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311111526.57264.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200311111615.41413.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068592685.470.22.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <200311112320.19767.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1068626487.428.193.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 05:20, Elton Woo wrote: > > If you just want to say, "hey, look, I found a bug!", that might > > better go to /dev/null. :-) > > .. what about a bug that is still existing from Fedora Core Test3, > which still stubbornly "refuses to be quashed" and found it's > way into Fedora Core Release 1 (Yarrow)? .. and which the Red > Hatters are still interested in "killing"? ... such as the one on > the subject line of this posting ... There are thousands of such bugs in bugzilla. If every bug reporter posted about their open bugs on this list it would quickly make this mailing list unusable, and nobody would read it. Bugzilla is the tool we use for tracking bugs, not this mailing list. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a maverick overambitious hairdresser looking for 'the Big One.' She's a sarcastic kleptomaniac detective in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime! From fedora at geeknet.nl Wed Nov 12 08:51:29 2003 From: fedora at geeknet.nl (fedora) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:51:29 +0100 Subject: PCcard support Message-ID: <002701c3a8fa$41a4de00$01fafa0a@registry.icty> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89990 This bug is present in Fedora.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexl at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 08:55:43 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 12 Nov 2003 09:55:43 +0100 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1068627342.428.206.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 21:56, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:32, Elton Woo wrote: > > Am I the only one using kmail? This bug is still present in Fedora > > Core 1 "Yarrow: > > > > Description: Kmail created phantom "no subject" messages if it > > is NOT closed before exiting the Gnome desktop. > > > > LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102532 > > Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop > posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the > test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. Even posting this to fedora-list makes no sense to me. Why would the readers of fedora-list want to be forced to read the description of every open bug in bugzilla? It is very easy to do a bugzilla query to get all these bugs, and the data you'd get would be more up to date than emails like these. Already there is so much traffic on fedora-list that its hard to find the subjects you're interested in, and many developers and contributors unsubscribe because of this. Dumping the bugzilla database onto the list just makes this worse. There are times when bringing up a bug report on a mailing list is sensible, maybe to get a wider audience to test a bugfix or something like that. But just sending a mail describing a bugzilla entry with no additional information, for seemingly no specific reason seems like a waste of peoples time. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a fast talking zombie card sharp gone bad. She's a green-fingered goth pearl diver who hides her beauty behind a pair of thick-framed spectacles. They fight crime! From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Nov 12 09:21:42 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:21:42 +0200 (EET) Subject: Bug # 107312 ... comments, please? In-Reply-To: <1068592685.470.22.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Owen Taylor wrote: > > If people are interested in incoming bug reports, perhaps we need some > mechanism for allowing people to watch all new Fedora bug reports, such > as a specialized mailing list. But I don't think that's any of the > existing fedora lists. Hmm. That sounds like a nice idea to me - to have fedora-new-bugs-list to which description of all new bugs is sent to. It'd be easier (I *think*) to look for personally interesting bugs from that compared to daily/weekly browsing around bugzilla. - Panu - From katzj at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 14:29:09 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:29:09 -0500 Subject: kernel 2.6test8 and LVM?? In-Reply-To: <200311120758.54960.nbecker@hns.com> References: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> <1066584639.1214.1.camel@edoras.local.net> <200311120758.54960.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1068647349.4314.11.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 07:58, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Sunday 19 October 2003 13:30, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:58, h.breimer wrote: > > > I have a fully updated T3 system > > > Seems test8 has a problem with vgscan? > > 2.6 has lvm2, not lvm so you need newer tools to use LVM with 2.6 > Where do I find lvm2 tools? Is there a yum source? They haven't been (officially) built yet... there are some questions as to which of LVM2 or the EVMS command line tools will end up being the best choice to use. Cheers, Jeremy From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 12 14:33:11 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:33:11 -0500 Subject: kernel 2.6test8 and LVM?? In-Reply-To: <1068647349.4314.11.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> <200311120758.54960.nbecker@hns.com> <1068647349.4314.11.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311120933.11683.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 12 November 2003 09:29, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 07:58, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > On Sunday 19 October 2003 13:30, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:58, h.breimer wrote: > > > > I have a fully updated T3 system > > > > Seems test8 has a problem with vgscan? > > > > > > 2.6 has lvm2, not lvm so you need newer tools to use LVM with 2.6 > > > > Where do I find lvm2 tools? Is there a yum source? > > They haven't been (officially) built yet... there are some questions as > to which of LVM2 or the EVMS command line tools will end up being the > best choice to use. > Thanks for the info. BTW, will I be able to upgrade from lvm1 root? From matthias at rpmforge.net Wed Nov 12 16:04:48 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:04:48 +0100 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote : > Just to let everybody on the list know, I've written an Unofficial > FAQ > for Fedora, that answers questions that people have most commonly, and > solves various issues that they have. > > It's at I've just finished updating freshrpms.net web pages, so you may want to replace some of the direct links and references to point to : http://freshrpms.net/ http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ http://yarrow.freshrpms.net/ (*NEW!* ;-)) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.98 1.09 1.08 From kevin at loose-screws.com Wed Nov 12 16:26:32 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:26:32 +0800 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <1068627342.428.206.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1068627342.428.206.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FB25F38.6010707@loose-screws.com> we should have a fedora-bugs-list, eh? a place to discuss bugs :) -- Kevin Francis Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 21:56, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >>On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:32, Elton Woo wrote: >> >>>Am I the only one using kmail? This bug is still present in Fedora >>>Core 1 "Yarrow: >>> >>>Description: Kmail created phantom "no subject" messages if it >>>is NOT closed before exiting the Gnome desktop. >>> >>>LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102532 >> >>Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop >>posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the >>test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. > > > Even posting this to fedora-list makes no sense to me. > Why would the readers of fedora-list want to be forced to read the > description of every open bug in bugzilla? It is very easy to do a > bugzilla query to get all these bugs, and the data you'd get would be > more up to date than emails like these. > > Already there is so much traffic on fedora-list that its hard to find > the subjects you're interested in, and many developers and contributors > unsubscribe because of this. Dumping the bugzilla database onto the list > just makes this worse. > > There are times when bringing up a bug report on a mailing list is > sensible, maybe to get a wider audience to test a bugfix or something > like that. But just sending a mail describing a bugzilla entry with no > additional information, for seemingly no specific reason seems like a > waste of peoples time. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's a fast talking zombie card sharp gone bad. She's a green-fingered goth > pearl diver who hides her beauty behind a pair of thick-framed spectacles. > They fight crime! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Nov 12 16:36:47 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:36:47 -0500 Subject: Bug # 102532 still present in Yarrow In-Reply-To: <3FB25F38.6010707@loose-screws.com> References: <200311111532.28718.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1068584160.1410.0.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> <1068627342.428.206.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FB25F38.6010707@loose-screws.com> Message-ID: <1068655006.2139.14.camel@dbxwsd21> Bugzilla? On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:26, Kevin Francis wrote: > we should have a fedora-bugs-list, eh? > > a place to discuss bugs :) > -- > Kevin Francis > > > > Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 21:56, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:32, Elton Woo wrote: > >> > >>>Am I the only one using kmail? This bug is still present in Fedora > >>>Core 1 "Yarrow: > >>> > >>>Description: Kmail created phantom "no subject" messages if it > >>>is NOT closed before exiting the Gnome desktop. > >>> > >>>LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102532 > >> > >>Once again, these things should be posted to fedora-list. Please stop > >>posting bug reports for the final list to the test-list, as the > >>test-list should quiet down until FC2 test1 emerges. > > > > > > Even posting this to fedora-list makes no sense to me. > > Why would the readers of fedora-list want to be forced to read the > > description of every open bug in bugzilla? It is very easy to do a > > bugzilla query to get all these bugs, and the data you'd get would be > > more up to date than emails like these. > > > > Already there is so much traffic on fedora-list that its hard to find > > the subjects you're interested in, and many developers and contributors > > unsubscribe because of this. Dumping the bugzilla database onto the list > > just makes this worse. > > > > There are times when bringing up a bug report on a mailing list is > > sensible, maybe to get a wider audience to test a bugfix or something > > like that. But just sending a mail describing a bugzilla entry with no > > additional information, for seemingly no specific reason seems like a > > waste of peoples time. > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > > He's a fast talking zombie card sharp gone bad. She's a green-fingered goth > > pearl diver who hides her beauty behind a pair of thick-framed spectacles. > > They fight crime! > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 19:44:01 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:44:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 Message-ID: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification format welcome.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-001 2003-11-12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : gcc Version : 3.3.2 Release : 2 Summary : Various compilers (C, C++, Objective-C, Java, ...) Description : The gcc package contains the GNU Compiler Collection version 3.3.2. You'll need this package in order to compile C code. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Mon Nov 10 2003 Jakub Jelinek 3.3.2-2 - update from gcc-3_3-branch - PRs bootstrap/12666, target/11598, libgcj/10610, target/12654, target/12690, target/12712 - fix ICE with C++ initializers (Jason Merrill, #109283, PR c++/12726) - fix handling of functions with > 2GB stack frames - fix handling of objects larger than 2GB or 4GB (Jan Hubicka and others) - fix Fortran COMMONs bigger than 2GB (#106542) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ SRPMS/gcc-3.3.2-2.src.rpm md5 sum: b593ba37ce5d077c169a838b3e1cbdfa i386/gcc-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 33636583f120fcbfd901b017dd18d369 i386/libgcc-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 95aa53466e05c9ef3fda71199e0a0b80 i386/gcc-c++-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 0c753a32dd65e843d94c58edc246e5ea i386/libstdc++-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: a82149f572a22151e1553518d2fb49cd i386/libstdc++-devel-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: db10a8688cc3fc33a93133c64512e187 i386/gcc-objc-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 52df24c357a51bcc063b43f90bb87b87 i386/libobjc-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 0f943328648a5e367dae3d77646c1cc5 i386/gcc-g77-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 4340aac38c465ca81f89d3a8d0b1b726 i386/libf2c-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 07053e96951b4212f33c239c82938797 i386/gcc-java-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: bdb48981d437bc894221b44978b6c5bb i386/libgcj-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: f86543078eb54144ad1176405996a863 i386/libgcj-devel-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: e65da48fbf3d638620bb49017f3e9d21 i386/cpp-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 7c17c580b3691a828aea7ec6da051914 i386/gcc-gnat-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 8119dbc66e54b54af63dd24fa0154413 i386/libgnat-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 7b8e78c70c28e8f59077284062afc08a i386/debug/gcc-debuginfo-3.3.2-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 4e152bd997b0600189f73aa18ed997ae This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From michal at harddata.com Wed Nov 12 21:14:01 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:14:01 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from notting@redhat.com on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:44:01PM -0500 References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031112141401.A30202@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:44:01PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the > notification format welcome.) ..... > > SRPMS/gcc-3.3.2-2.src.rpm > md5 sum: b593ba37ce5d077c169a838b3e1cbdfa Hm, assuming that in the future it will show up a security update which applies to two different core releases (it may happen because there is supposed to be some overlap not even counting possible FedoraLegacy annoucements) then a format currently used in RHSAs, like this: 8ab244bee8b26454bd64c8894c 9/en/os/SRPMS/ethereal-0.9.16-0.90.1.src.rpm gives all relevant information for a script retrieving that in one line. It is not always that yum, or similar, is used. Sure, the proposed format can be handled by scripts as well but it requires somewhat more ingenuity. Also "md5 sum:" string does not really carry any real information. A table with fields like these b593ba37ce5d077c169a838b3e1cbdfa SRPMS/gcc-3.3.2-2.src.rpm and possible headings, would serve as well, be more compact and can be fed to 'md5sum --check'. BTW - which list(s) will carry these notifications? redhat-watch-list too or some Fedora specific only? Michal From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 21:20:04 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:20:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: grep-2.5.1-17.1 Message-ID: <20031112162004.A32342@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-003 2003-11-12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : grep Version : 2.5.1 Release : 17.1 Summary : The GNU versions of grep pattern matching utilities. Description : The GNU versions of commonly used grep utilities. Grep searches through textual input for lines which contain a match to a specified pattern and then prints the matching lines. GNU's grep utilities include grep, egrep and fgrep. You should install grep on your system, because it is a very useful utility for searching through text. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Nov 11 2003 Tim Waugh 2.5.1-17.1 - Fixed man page bug (bug #106267). - Turn on multibyte efficiency patch again. - Fixed a multibyte efficiency bug. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/grep-2.5.1-17.1.src.rpm md5 sum: c5cdb084c6e3d7cd21aaf587aa336b13 i386/grep-2.5.1-17.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: a141bfe8eb07e7dcebed5d284ad5c66d i386/debug/grep-debuginfo-2.5.1-17.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: a7356dad49118e1b4aaee87ac783ba04 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From lsomike at futzin.com Wed Nov 12 21:23:07 2003 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:07 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <200311122002.15550.lsomike@futzin.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311122002.15550.lsomike@futzin.com> Message-ID: <200311122123.07271.lsomike@futzin.com> On Wednesday 12 November 2003 19:44, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the > notification format welcome.) Not so much the format but rather the location you noted: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ Should we assume this will also be available at the configured up2date location, shown below, at some point in the near future or will we have to include the above location as a source for this in our config? http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1/... A quick check show nothing available at this location. Regards, Mike Klinke From thoffman at arnor.net Wed Nov 12 21:39:27 2003 From: thoffman at arnor.net (Torrey Hoffman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:39:27 -0800 Subject: rpm database corrupted, how to recover? Message-ID: <1068673167.1472.33.camel@moria.arnor.net> While installing some rpms from FreshRPMs.net on my system, rpm segfaulted. It seems to have corrupted the database in the process, and now all rpm commands hang. How can I recover without reinstalling Fedora? Here's what it looks like when it hangs: [root at moria rpm]# rpm -v -v --rebuilddb D: rebuilding database /var/lib/rpm into /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2274 D: creating directory /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2274 D: opening old database with dbapi 3 D: opening db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages joinenv D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages rdonly mode=0x0 (Nothing happens for a long time. Killed with -9) So I moved /var/lib/rpm/Packages to /var/lib/rpm/Packages.corrupt and then: [root at moria rpm]# rpm -v -v --rebuilddb D: rebuilding database /var/lib/rpm into /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2334 D: creating directory /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2334 D: opening old database with dbapi 3 D: opening db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages joinenv D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages create mode=0x0 D: locked db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages D: opening new database with dbapi 3 D: opening db environment /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2334/Packages create:mpool D: opening db index /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2334/Packages create mode=0x42 D: closed db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages D: closed db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages D: closed db index /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2334/Packages D: closed db environment /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2334/Packages D: removing directory /var/lib/rpmrebuilddb.2334 But the resulting Packages list is NOT actually rebuilt, it is empty! [root at moria rpm]# ll Packages* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12288 Nov 12 13:19 Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 rpm rpm 58630144 Nov 12 12:50 Packages.corrupt This has been filed in Bugzilla as bug #109913. -- Torrey Hoffman From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 21:49:53 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:49:53 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112141401.A30202@mail.harddata.com>; from michal@harddata.com on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:14:01PM -0700 References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031112141401.A30202@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20031112164953.G1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Michal Jaegermann (michal at harddata.com) said: > 8ab244bee8b26454bd64c8894c 9/en/os/SRPMS/ethereal-0.9.16-0.90.1.src.rpm > > gives all relevant information for a script retrieving that in one > line. It is not always that yum, or similar, is used. Sure, the > proposed format can be handled by scripts as well but it requires > somewhat more ingenuity. Also "md5 sum:" string does not really > carry any real information. A table with fields like these > > b593ba37ce5d077c169a838b3e1cbdfa SRPMS/gcc-3.3.2-2.src.rpm > > and possible headings, would serve as well, be more compact and > can be fed to 'md5sum --check'. True. > BTW - which list(s) will carry these notifications? fedora-announce-list. Bill From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 21:51:56 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:51:56 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <200311122123.07271.lsomike@futzin.com>; from lsomike@futzin.com on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:23:07PM +0000 References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311122002.15550.lsomike@futzin.com> <200311122123.07271.lsomike@futzin.com> Message-ID: <20031112165156.H1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Mike Klinke (lsomike at futzin.com) said: > Not so much the format but rather the location you noted: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ Broken for test update releases, should be: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ > Should we assume this will also be available at the configured > up2date location, shown below, at some point in the near future or > will we have to include the above location as a source for this in > our config? > > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1/... That's for *released* updates. The notifications sent to fedora-test-list are for *test* updates; the redirect for that in the config file should work. Bill From elliott at wilcoxon.org Wed Nov 12 21:52:22 2003 From: elliott at wilcoxon.org (Elliott Wilcoxon) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:52:22 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: grep-2.5.1-17.1 In-Reply-To: <20031112162004.A32342@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112162004.A32342@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FB2AB96.2010709@wilcoxon.org> Why is it that these announcements don't get sent to fedora-announce-list? Elliott Wilcoxon Bill Nottingham wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-003 > 2003-11-12 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : grep > Version : 2.5.1 > Release : 17.1 > Summary : The GNU versions of grep pattern matching utilities. > Description : > The GNU versions of commonly used grep utilities. Grep searches > through textual input for lines which contain a match to a specified > pattern and then prints the matching lines. GNU's grep utilities > include grep, egrep and fgrep. > > You should install grep on your system, because it is a very useful > utility for searching through text. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Tue Nov 11 2003 Tim Waugh 2.5.1-17.1 > > - Fixed man page bug (bug #106267). > - Turn on multibyte efficiency patch again. > - Fixed a multibyte efficiency bug. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This update can be downloaded from: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ > > SRPMS/grep-2.5.1-17.1.src.rpm > md5 sum: c5cdb084c6e3d7cd21aaf587aa336b13 > i386/grep-2.5.1-17.1.i386.rpm > md5 sum: a141bfe8eb07e7dcebed5d284ad5c66d > i386/debug/grep-debuginfo-2.5.1-17.1.i386.rpm > md5 sum: a7356dad49118e1b4aaee87ac783ba04 > > This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can > launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > . > From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 22:00:00 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:00:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: grep-2.5.1-17.1 In-Reply-To: <3FB2AB96.2010709@wilcoxon.org>; from elliott@wilcoxon.org on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 03:52:22PM -0600 References: <20031112162004.A32342@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FB2AB96.2010709@wilcoxon.org> Message-ID: <20031112170000.J1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Elliott Wilcoxon (elliott at wilcoxon.org) said: > Why is it that these announcements don't get sent to fedora-announce-list? They're test updates, once they go through whatever testing is deemed appropriate, they'll graduate to be full fledged updates. Bill From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 21:58:37 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:58:37 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: grep-2.5.1-17.1 In-Reply-To: <3FB2AB96.2010709@wilcoxon.org> References: <20031112162004.A32342@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FB2AB96.2010709@wilcoxon.org> Message-ID: <20031112215837.GH5686@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 03:52:22PM -0600, Elliott Wilcoxon wrote: > Why is it that these announcements don't get sent to fedora-announce-list? > > Elliott Wilcoxon > > Bill Nottingham wrote: > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Fedora Test Update Notification They are updates for testing, before they are officially released. With grep, for instance, the speed improvement patch is sufficiently invasive that it might cause problems (it has before, but bugs have been fixed since then). Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 22:21:22 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 12 Nov 2003 20:21:22 -0200 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112164953.G1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031112141401.A30202@mail.harddata.com> <20031112164953.G1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Nov 12, 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Michal Jaegermann (michal at harddata.com) said: >> b593ba37ce5d077c169a838b3e1cbdfa SRPMS/gcc-3.3.2-2.src.rpm >> and possible headings, would serve as well, be more compact and >> can be fed to 'md5sum --check'. > True. Only if the separator blank is doubled. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 20:37:37 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:37:37 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: redhat-config-packages-1.2.7-1 Message-ID: <20031112153737.A10958@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-007 2003-11-12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : redhat-config-packages Version : 1.2.7 Release : 1 Summary : Package manager for Description : redhat-config-packages is the package manager for Red Hat Linux. It supports installation of interesting packages from CD. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Nov 07 2003 Jeremy Katz 1.2.7-1 - follow discid path everywhere (#109276) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ SRPMS/redhat-config-packages-1.2.7-1.src.rpm md5 sum: 125d4f8ccfb5b656546b5d856a0fdca8 i386/redhat-config-packages-1.2.7-1.noarch.rpm md5 sum: df685bef62a8d4c15823f683239ebd69 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From katzj at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 23:05:56 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:05:56 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: redhat-config-packages-1.2.7-1 Message-ID: <1068678356.4314.21.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-007 2003-11-12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : redhat-config-packages Version : 1.2.7 Release : 1 Summary : Package manager Description : redhat-config-packages is the package manager for Fedora Core. It supports installation of interesting packages from CD. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update fixes problems with trying to use RedHat/RPMS instead of Fedora/RPMS on Fedora Core CDs with redhat-config-packages. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Nov 07 2003 Jeremy Katz 1.2.7-1 - follow discid path everywhere (#109276) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/redhat-config-packages-1.2.7-1.src.rpm md5 sum: 125d4f8ccfb5b656546b5d856a0fdca8 i386/redhat-config-packages-1.2.7-1.noarch.rpm md5 sum: df685bef62a8d4c15823f683239ebd69 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From alexl at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 09:01:27 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 12 Nov 2003 10:01:27 +0100 Subject: PCcard support In-Reply-To: <002701c3a8fa$41a4de00$01fafa0a@registry.icty> References: <002701c3a8fa$41a4de00$01fafa0a@registry.icty> Message-ID: <1068627686.428.211.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 09:51, fedora wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89990 > > This bug is present in Fedora.. Then please add a comment to the bug saying so. That way there is a chance that the people responsible for, or interested in this issue might see it. Forcing every reader of fedora-test-list to follow your undescribed link to see what you're talking about is pretty bad manners, and not very efficient. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a gun-slinging crooked gentleman spy looking for 'the Big One.' She's an elegant psychic safe cracker who inherited a spooky stately manor from her late maiden aunt. They fight crime! From cliff at villagevisions.com Wed Nov 12 21:05:19 2003 From: cliff at villagevisions.com (Cliff Kent) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:05:19 -0500 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <3FB2A08F.9070404@villagevisions.com> Thank you! From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Nov 12 09:24:58 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:24:58 +0100 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <1068590403.7168.14.camel@max.localdomain> References: <1068590403.7168.14.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031112102458.535033f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:40:03 -0800, Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 07:50, Vanco, Don wrote: > > My only comment would be on the sample yum.conf - it could use a bit > > more of a detailed description of the channels, and I personally would > > comment out the unstable and testing trees..... The assumption here being > > that relative "yum n00bs" are going to be the ones glomming the file.... > > Hahaha. The reason that I kept those unstable and testing trees in > there was that people were going to ask us where that software was. > Also, I've yet to have any serious problem with any "unstable" or > "testing" package, except perhaps one crash and one lockup. Note that the Fedora.us repositories start in this directory http://download.fedora.us/ not in http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/ as mentioned in the FAQ. Several repositories have their root at the top directory. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From thoffman at arnor.net Wed Nov 12 23:37:36 2003 From: thoffman at arnor.net (Torrey Hoffman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:37:36 -0800 Subject: rpm database corrupted, how to recover? In-Reply-To: References: <1068673167.1472.33.camel@moria.arnor.net> Message-ID: <1068680256.1472.39.camel@moria.arnor.net> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:23, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 12, 2003, Torrey Hoffman wrote: > > > While installing some rpms from FreshRPMs.net on my system, rpm > > segfaulted. It seems to have corrupted the database in the process, and > > now all rpm commands hang. > > rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* > rpm --rebuilddb > Thanks very much, that worked. Can I suggest that rpm --rebuilddb be changed to do that automatically, so it doesn't just hang in this situation? Thanks again for the quick response. -- Torrey Hoffman From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 23:40:48 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:40:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <20031112020721.GG13753@linnie.riede.org> from "Willem Riede" at Tach 11, 2003 09:07:21 Message-ID: <200311122340.hACNemF09933@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > And to "nosp" - I have every intention to get out my vi, but that doesn't > help if the result won't get used. > > Thanks, Willem Riede. > > (1) see a/o http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-scsi&m=104361480527780&w=2 Nice. Thats way better than letting the IDE layer time it out as I did From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 00:03:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:03:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: grep-2.5.1-17.1 In-Reply-To: <3FB2AB96.2010709@wilcoxon.org> from "Elliott Wilcoxon" at Tach 12, 2003 03:52:22 Message-ID: <200311130003.hAD038721507@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Why is it that these announcements don't get sent to fedora-announce-list? Because > > Fedora Test Update Notification Its for folks to test its not neccessarily final code, but if you want to get ahead of the pack... From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 00:12:04 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:12:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <3FB2A08F.9070404@villagevisions.com> from "Cliff Kent" at Tach 12, 2003 04:05:19 Message-ID: <200311130012.hAD0C4j26394@devserv.devel.redhat.com> One thing I did a while ago that might be useful for unofficial FAQ merging is this (its Alan's collected notes not an official Red Hat document) Feel free to use them. Problem: o System hangs/reports errors after booting from CD-ROM Add the boot option "ide=nodma". o System hangs after enabling APM Add the boot option "apm=off". o System hangs at random when idle Add the boot option "apm=off". If this does not help try the option "nohlt". Also try "acpi=off" on newer ACPI using systems. o System hangs reporting SCSI timeouts or at the IDE probe and "ide=nodma" does not help. If this is an Intel 440GX board, await errata news For other SMP boards please try "noapic" You may also need to set the BIOS MP to "MP 1.1" if you can o System hangs probing the PCMCIA devices Specify "nopcmcia" o System hangs probing ieee1394/firewire devices Specify "nofirewire" o VIA system hangs activating networking Specify "acpi=off" o System boots to graphical desktop but the desktop appears and then the machine crashes Boot with "apm=off" and see if this helps. A few laptops have buggy battery query support. o Screen goes blank or crazy after booting (especially LCD panel) Boot with the option "nofb" o System crashes erratically When reporting this if you can also verify the memory with memtest86 it helps filter out faulty systems. o AMD Multiprocessor Dual Athlon systems require up to date BIOS versions or you may see hangs. In addition most of them require a PS/2 mouse is present to avoid random hangs when using IDE o USB or networking fails on VIA chipset multiprocessor machine Specify the option "noapic" o SIS chipset SMP systems "noapic" may be required due to an incompatibility with the Intel APIC behaviour in some SIS parts. o APIC error messages appear or the system hangs at high load Try with the option "noapic" selected. o Compaq DL360 Requires "ide=nodma" o Sony Vaio Sometimes requires "pci=off" is specified as a boot option during install but not after install. This is due to interactions between Linux and the Vaio's PCMCIA CD-ROM boot magic. If you have problems try the following options "pci=off ide1=0x180,0x386" o Sound does not work If you have a USB webcam with microphone unplug this and retest if possible. There is a known problem with the sound system trying to use the USB webcam as primary sound system o No CD audio Linux systems use the analog CD audio link rather than digital ripping as some new systems do. Check the machine has a CD audio cable fitted o USB keyboard works at the boot prompts but not later If neccessary boot the system with "nousb". This should let you get the system booted. o USB keyboard does not work in boot loader (grub) Ensure the USB legacy support is enabled in the BIOS If the problem remains try an install using Lilo and please file a bug. From byte at bytebot.net Wed Nov 12 10:20:34 2003 From: byte at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:20:34 +1100 Subject: Same firstboot bug as test 2 In-Reply-To: <1066099442.3948.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1066099442.3948.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1068620323.28842.21.camel@hermione> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 12:53, Todd Booher wrote: > Just installed test 3 and you still lose the cursor on the firstboot > screen. The workaround is to change to terminal 1 and then back to > terminal 7 and the mouse works again. Same problem with Fedora Core 1 on a Thinkpad T20. -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my OpenOffice.org Unofficial FAQ: http://www.bytebot.net/openoffice/faq.html From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 20:45:17 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:45:17 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: ethereal-0.9.16-1 Message-ID: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-009 2003-11-12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : ethereal Version : 0.9.16 Release : 1 Summary : Network traffic analyzer Description : Ethereal is a network traffic analyzer for Unix-ish operating systems. This package lays base for libpcap, a packet capture and filtering library, contains command-line utilities, contains plugins and documentation for ethereal. A graphical user interface is packaged separately to GTK+ package. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Nov 05 2003 Phil Knirsch 0.9.16-1 - Updated to latest upstream version 0.9.16 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/ethereal-0.9.16-1.src.rpm md5 sum: 2d031a1cc3d4b6fc5812300b79cefcf9 i386/ethereal-0.9.16-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: ce606885f3ffc378c2cd63b9e5afc527 i386/ethereal-gnome-0.9.16-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 1d620f87cc2e08bb5404512e576f5cb8 i386/debug/ethereal-debuginfo-0.9.16-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 86ae058d29486ddfbe09de0585e72309 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From elliott at wilcoxon.org Wed Nov 12 20:45:16 2003 From: elliott at wilcoxon.org (Elliott Wilcoxon) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:45:16 -0600 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> Maxwell Kanat-Alexander wrote: > Just to let everybody on the list know, I've written an Unofficial FAQ > for Fedora, that answers questions that people have most commonly, and > solves various issues that they have. > > It's at > > I wrote it because we were getting an incredible volume of questions on > #fedora during the first few days of the release, and a FAQ was the only > way to deal with it. It's been really helpful in the channel -- maybe it > will be helpful to the list, too. > > If you have something that you think should be added, post the question > (preferably with a solution) on > > I hope this helps some people out. > > -M > > (I've cross-posted to fedora-test-list just because so many questions > keep coming up over there.) > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > . > It would be nice if you explained how to update from RH9 using yum/apt/up2date. I'd like to be able to do a apt-get dist-upgrade to save download and installation time, but the bits I've read on the mailing list don't make it clear if it works or doesn't. Elliott Wilcoxon From michal at harddata.com Thu Nov 13 00:59:40 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:59:40 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112164953.G1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from notting@redhat.com on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:49:53PM -0500 References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031112141401.A30202@mail.harddata.com> <20031112164953.G1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031112175940.A1814@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:49:53PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Michal Jaegermann (michal at harddata.com) said: > > A table with fields like these > > > > b593ba37ce5d077c169a838b3e1cbdfa SRPMS/gcc-3.3.2-2.src.rpm > > > > and possible headings, would serve as well, be more compact and > > can be fed to 'md5sum --check'. > > True. Actually I lied. You need two spaces "...fa SRPMS/gcc-..." to make 'md5sum --check' happy. :-) Michal From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Thu Nov 13 01:05:28 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:05:28 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: ethereal-0.9.16-1 In-Reply-To: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068685528.4550.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:45, Bill Nottingham wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-009 > 2003-11-12 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : ethereal > Version : 0.9.16 > Release : 1 > Summary : Network traffic analyzer > Description : > Ethereal is a network traffic analyzer for Unix-ish operating systems. > > This package lays base for libpcap, a packet capture and filtering > library, contains command-line utilities, contains plugins and > documentation for ethereal. A graphical user interface is packaged > separately to GTK+ package. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Wed Nov 05 2003 Phil Knirsch 0.9.16-1 > > - Updated to latest upstream version 0.9.16 Bill and Phil, THANK YOU! Will the update messages from today also go out on the Announce list? I did not see any there as of yet. Best regards, Marc From wiley_terronova at msn.com Wed Nov 12 12:18:09 2003 From: wiley_terronova at msn.com (Wiley Terronova) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:18:09 -0400 Subject: Add and remove packages after ftp install Message-ID: how do tell the package manager to use the ftp site instead of asking for a CD? I installed using the ftp installation medthod but now I can't add any additional packages because its asking for a CD. any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 22:23:19 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 12 Nov 2003 20:23:19 -0200 Subject: rpm database corrupted, how to recover? In-Reply-To: <1068673167.1472.33.camel@moria.arnor.net> References: <1068673167.1472.33.camel@moria.arnor.net> Message-ID: On Nov 12, 2003, Torrey Hoffman wrote: > While installing some rpms from FreshRPMs.net on my system, rpm > segfaulted. It seems to have corrupted the database in the process, and > now all rpm commands hang. rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* rpm --rebuilddb > So I moved /var/lib/rpm/Packages to /var/lib/rpm/Packages.corrupt Don't do this. It's what --rebuilddb would use to rebuild the databases. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 12 12:58:54 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:58:54 -0500 Subject: kernel 2.6test8 and LVM?? In-Reply-To: <1066584639.1214.1.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> <1066584639.1214.1.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <200311120758.54960.nbecker@hns.com> On Sunday 19 October 2003 13:30, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:58, h.breimer wrote: > > I have a fully updated T3 system > > Seems test8 has a problem with vgscan? > > 2.6 has lvm2, not lvm so you need newer tools to use LVM with 2.6 > Where do I find lvm2 tools? Is there a yum source? From zboszor at freemail.hu Wed Nov 12 12:58:48 2003 From: zboszor at freemail.hu (Boszormenyi Zoltan) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:58:48 +0100 Subject: OpenOffice.org 1.1.0-6.1 In-Reply-To: <20031110082515.I8854@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031110082515.I8854@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FB22E88.1000006@freemail.hu> Hi, Jakub Jelinek ?rta: > Hi! > > The prelink friendly binary unfortunately is not the default in FC1, > but you can speed up OOo start by: > ln -sf soffice2.bin /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin > as root. > > ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/openoffice.org/ > contains openoffice.org-1.1.0-6.1 packages which differ from 1.1.0-6 as > present in FC1 in 2 things: > a) soffice2.bin is the default, so you don't have to run the above > command to speed it up > b) it has been compiled with -Os. This seems to save 9MB on allocated > library size and e.g. when running oowriter should cut the total > size of libraries loaded from around 71MB to ~ 66MB (by ~ 5.25MB). Is it the only difference? Here is the original, I already changed the softlink: # rpm -q openoffice.org openoffice.org-1.1.0-6 # cd /usr/lib/openoffice/program # ls -l soffice*.bin -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 446012 nov 3 23:33 soffice1.bin -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 70904 nov 3 23:33 soffice2.bin -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 555192 nov 3 23:33 soffice3.bin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 nov 12 13:50 soffice.bin -> soffice1.bin The binary size difference is not what you describe, but much larger, oowriter starts up with a huge speed difference! -- Best regards, Zolt?n B?sz?rm?nyi --------------------- What did Hussein say about his knife? One in Bush worth two in the hand. From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Nov 13 01:37:37 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:37:37 +0100 Subject: kernel 2.6test8 and LVM?? References: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> <1066584639.1214.1.camel@edoras.local.net> <200311120758.54960.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FB2E061.9000901@wanadoo.es> Neal D. Becker wrote: > Where do I find lvm2 tools? Is there a yum source? ftp://ftp.sistina.com/pub/LVM2/tools/ try evms(GUI) too, http://evms.sourceforge.net/ -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 01:51:37 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:51:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Add and remove packages after ftp install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64551.69.68.37.57.1068688297.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Wiley Terronova said: > how do tell the package manager to use the ftp site instead of asking for > a > CD? > I installed using the ftp installation medthod but now I can't add any > additional packages because its asking for a CD. > > any ideas? Post to the fedora-list like you should be? Oh, you mean about the question. If you read the docs you will see there are ways of adjusting where r-c-p looks for files. Unfortunately, ftp isn't one of them, but one of the others might work for you. less /usr/share/doc/redhat-config-packages-*/README -- William Hooper From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 12 22:40:13 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:40:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112165156.H1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311122123.07271.lsomike@futzin.com> <20031112165156.H1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311121740.13084.czar@czarc.net> On Wednesday 12 November 2003 16:51, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Mike Klinke (lsomike at futzin.com) said: > > Not so much the format but rather the location you noted: > > > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ > > Broken for test update releases, should be: > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ > > > Should we assume this will also be available at the configured > > up2date location, shown below, at some point in the near future or > > will we have to include the above location as a source for this in > > our config? > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1/... > > That's for *released* updates. The notifications sent to fedora-test-list > are for *test* updates; the redirect for that in the config file should > work. Actually, since up2date will handle redirection (although rhn-applet will not), you can use http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/testing/fedora-core-1/ -- Gene From zimhat at foou.net Thu Nov 13 02:30:13 2003 From: zimhat at foou.net (Law Horne) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:30:13 -0500 Subject: up2date behavior Message-ID: <3FB2ECB5.8010009@foou.net> Several people on this list have commented about registering with red hat for Fedora. Now when I click on the up2date applet it ask me if I want to register but never really does. It just goes through the motion of checking for updates on the configured channels I have. Now my understanding is that it is supposed to do just that. No registering with red hat it just checks the configured channels. Yum or Apt whatever they might be. Now I know you can uncomment a line in the source file and it will actually connect to rhn(hopefully most people know what I'm talking about). But why does it continually ask if I want to register when that line is not uncommented? And for that matter why is the ability even there in the first place? Even if the ability for it to connect to rhn is because it is for development purposes it should not just register some fedora uses out of the blue, or even just ask if you want to register. Are there plans to fix this? It seems strange to ask if you want to register with red hat every time you start up2date when it is not intended for this OS to be registered. And that it is just a function that has not as of yet been removed. I would think this would cause some confusion with some people new to the distro. Or ones who have yet to fully understand what red hat has done and why. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 02:52:14 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:52:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: up2date behavior In-Reply-To: <3FB2ECB5.8010009@foou.net> References: <3FB2ECB5.8010009@foou.net> Message-ID: <64829.69.68.37.57.1068691934.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Law Horne said: > Several people on this list have commented about registering with red > hat for Fedora. Now when I click on the up2date applet it ask me if I > want to register but never really does. It just goes through the motion > of checking for updates on the configured channels I have. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109502 There is nothing in your message about testing. Please use the fedora-list. -- William Hooper From katzj at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 14:52:16 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:52:16 -0500 Subject: kernel 2.6test8 and LVM?? In-Reply-To: <200311120933.11683.nbecker@hns.com> References: <20031019185801.130d3f44.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> <200311120758.54960.nbecker@hns.com> <1068647349.4314.11.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <200311120933.11683.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1068648735.4314.13.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 09:33, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Thanks for the info. BTW, will I be able to upgrade from lvm1 root? Yep -- the on-disk format is the same. Jeremy From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 04:29:31 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:29:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: ethereal-0.9.16-1 In-Reply-To: <1068685528.4550.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from MSchwartz@MedAnalytics.com on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 07:05:28PM -0600 References: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1068685528.4550.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031112232931.E2888@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Marc Schwartz (MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com) said: > Will the update messages from today also go out on the Announce list? I > did not see any there as of yet. When they're moved from testing to regular updates, yes. Bill From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Thu Nov 13 04:47:00 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:47:00 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: ethereal-0.9.16-1 In-Reply-To: <20031112232931.E2888@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1068685528.4550.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031112232931.E2888@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068698820.4550.121.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 22:29, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Marc Schwartz (MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com) said: > > Will the update messages from today also go out on the Announce list? I > > did not see any there as of yet. > > When they're moved from testing to regular updates, yes. > > Bill Bill, Thanks for your clarifications here and on the user list. Regards, Marc From elliott at wilcoxon.org Thu Nov 13 04:51:17 2003 From: elliott at wilcoxon.org (Elliott Wilcoxon) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:51:17 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: ethereal-0.9.16-1 In-Reply-To: <20031112232931.E2888@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1068685528.4550.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031112232931.E2888@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FB30DC5.3070102@wilcoxon.org> Might I suggest the creation of fedora-test-announce-list? It might help with the "why's this not on fedora-announce?" confusion. Elliott Wilcoxon Bill Nottingham wrote: > Marc Schwartz (MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com) said: > >>Will the update messages from today also go out on the Announce list? I >>did not see any there as of yet. > > > When they're moved from testing to regular updates, yes. > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > . > From marguz at ameritech.net Wed Nov 12 17:10:42 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:10:42 -0600 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1068657042.16692.2.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> > I've just finished updating freshrpms.net web pages, so you may want to > replace some of the direct links and references to point to : > http://freshrpms.net/ > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ > http://yarrow.freshrpms.net/ (*NEW!* ;-)) > > Matthias You ROCK! From lsomike at futzin.com Thu Nov 13 05:32:40 2003 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:32:40 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <200311121740.13084.czar@czarc.net> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031112165156.H1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311121740.13084.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200311130532.40136.lsomike@futzin.com> Thanks guys, I was a little confused since Bill's first link: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1 looked like the release site, which I think, is equivalent to: http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 and I couldn't understand why it would be in one and not the other. I'm glad Bill clarified it as a TEST prior to release and to know that http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/testing/fedora-core-1/ http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1 are equivalent sites. Regards, Mike Klinke From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Nov 12 17:16:52 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:16:52 +0100 Subject: development channel (ex rawhide) and up2date Message-ID: <200311121816.52666.terraformers@gmx.net> hello im trying to update core 1 with the development channel via up2date i get the message below. i tried different package selection-combos but still havn't managed it. lars ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There was a package dependency problem. The message was: Unresolvable chain of dependencies: authconfig-gtk 4.3.8-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 bind-utils 9.2.3-1 requires libisc.so.4 comps-extras 9.1-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 fedora-logos-1.1.20.2-1 requires kdebase <= 3.1.5 firstboot 1.2.4-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 kdebase 3.1.4-6 requires libvcard.so.0 kdenetwork 3.1.4-1 requires libvcard.so.0 quanta 3.1.4-1 requires libvcard.so.0 redhat-artwork 0.88-1 requires /usr/lib/qt-3.1 redhat-config-date 1.5.25-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-keyboard 1.1.5-2 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-kickstart 2.4.2-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-language 1.0.16-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-mouse 1.1.2-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-network-tui 1.3.10-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-nfs 1.1.3-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-rootpassword 1.0.6-2 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-samba 1.1.4-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-securitylevel 1.2.11-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-soundcard 1.0.8-2 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-users 1.2.4-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 redhat-config-xfree86 0.9.15-1 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 rhpl 0.122.1-2 requires /usr/bin/python2.2 Please modify your package selections and try again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From marguz at ameritech.net Wed Nov 12 17:27:32 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:27:32 -0600 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1068658051.16692.8.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> > http://freshrpms.net/ > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ > http://yarrow.freshrpms.net/ (*NEW!* ;-)) > > Matthias Matthias, At http://freshrpms.net/packages/builds/yum/yum-fd.conf you have the baseurl's as .. http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/XXXXXX It should be listed as.. http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms ^^^^^ Thanks From johnmunsch at zwave.com Thu Nov 13 06:15:04 2003 From: johnmunsch at zwave.com (John Munsch) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:15:04 -0600 Subject: Request for hard to get screenshots and a little bit more Message-ID: <3FB32168.1000008@zwave.com> Some people saw the previous version of the Fedora Core Getting Started guide I did a while back. I'm working on the next generation of the document (http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/FedoraCoreGettingStarted/) and I need both comments and some help. Specifically I'd like to have more detail in the installation section. I'd like to show the text screens which show up right at the beginning of the install process. 1: The first screen with its mixture of text and graphics that you see when CD1 of the install first boots up. 2: The text screen for checking your disks. 3: The Grub boot screen. 4: The new graphical boot (one without details open and one with). I don't have VMWare but I know some people are installing under it (or perhaps other virtual machine software) and I'd really love it if someone sent me those images for inclusion. Also, and this is very important, is there an ETA for k3b on Fedora Core 1? It was available for 0.95 (aka beta 3) and I was going to recommend it as the best solution for replacing Nero or Roxio's CD burning software on Windows. It really seems significantly more user friendly and attractive than any other offering I've tried so far but I can't recommend it to beginners until they can install it. Thanks, John Munsch From kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com Thu Nov 13 06:29:36 2003 From: kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com (Karl DeBisschop) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:29:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: ethereal-0.9.16-1 In-Reply-To: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068704976.26251.9.camel@miles.debisschop.net> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 15:45, Bill Nottingham wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-009 > 2003-11-12 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : ethereal > Version : 0.9.16 > Release : 1 > Summary : Network traffic analyzer > Description : > Ethereal is a network traffic analyzer for Unix-ish operating systems. > > This package lays base for libpcap, a packet capture and filtering > library, contains command-line utilities, contains plugins and > documentation for ethereal. A graphical user interface is packaged > separately to GTK+ package. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Wed Nov 05 2003 Phil Knirsch 0.9.16-1 > > - Updated to latest upstream version 0.9.16 Is there a reason this wasn't built with gtk2? Quite likely since it was not the case for FC1, it should not be done now. But I can't see why it should not have been done for FC1. OTOH, it's a trivial change - one line in the config plus change the requires/buildrequires. -- Karl DeBisschop From maxka at myrealbox.com Thu Nov 13 06:40:10 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:40:10 -0800 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1068705610.5989.9.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:04, Matthias Saou wrote: > I've just finished updating freshrpms.net web pages, so you may want to > replace some of the direct links and references to point to : > http://freshrpms.net/ > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ > http://yarrow.freshrpms.net/ (*NEW!* ;-)) Thanks, Matthias! All updated. :-) -M From maxka at myrealbox.com Thu Nov 13 06:44:12 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:44:12 -0800 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <20031112102458.535033f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1068590403.7168.14.camel@max.localdomain> <20031112102458.535033f3.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1068705852.5989.14.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 01:24, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Note that the Fedora.us repositories start in this directory > > http://download.fedora.us/ > > not in http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/ as mentioned in the FAQ. > Several repositories have their root at the top directory. My goal was to reduce the amount of questions as to where to get packages, so I set up the link to lead to the path of least resistance. I suspect that particularly intelligent users will explore http://download.fedora.us -- I did, even though the link I originally followed to that site was right to a repo. -M From maxka at myrealbox.com Thu Nov 13 06:45:37 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:45:37 -0800 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <200311130012.hAD0C4j26394@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311130012.hAD0C4j26394@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068705936.5989.16.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 16:12, Alan Cox wrote: > One thing I did a while ago that might be useful for unofficial FAQ > merging is this (its Alan's collected notes not an official Red Hat document) > Feel free to use them. Wow, that's _great_. I'll add that to the FAQ probably tomorrow, when I have time. -M From maxka at myrealbox.com Thu Nov 13 06:47:03 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:47:03 -0800 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> Message-ID: <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:45, Elliott Wilcoxon wrote: > It would be nice if you explained how to update from RH9 using > yum/apt/up2date. I'd like to be able to do a apt-get dist-upgrade to > save download and installation time, but the bits I've read on the > mailing list don't make it clear if it works or doesn't. I think that's actually why I didn't include it in the FAQ -- I am also not sure that it works. Even theoretically, thinking about the upgrade path from RH9 to FC1, I'm not sure that yum or up2date or apt would do it flawlessly. -M From thoffman at arnor.net Wed Nov 12 19:41:42 2003 From: thoffman at arnor.net (Torrey Hoffman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:41:42 -0800 Subject: No USB mouse with Arjan's 2.6 kernel? Message-ID: <1068666102.1472.9.camel@moria.arnor.net> I'm running Fedora Core 1 on a new P4 system, using an ordinary Microsoft optical USB mouse and PS2 keyboard. Everything works with the default 2.4 Fedora kernel. I installed the latest 2.6 kernel from Arjan's RPMs at http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5 -- specifically vmlinuz-2.6.0-0.test9.1.83smp and tried it out. Most things seemed to work, except my USB mouse didn't get started up and didn't work. The light didn't come on, which seems to happen when the USB drivers load, so I don't think the USB mouse driver was loaded at all. Any suggestions on how to fix this? -- Torrey Hoffman From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Nov 12 19:37:56 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:37:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7342.64.223.201.130.1068665876.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) Could you add a field which states the motivation: security, bug fix, enhancement. Also, is that download link correct? -- W From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 12 19:55:15 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:55:15 -0800 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311121155.20105.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 12 November 2003 11:44, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) Looks very nice Bill, I do like having _why_ the release is in there, unlike some prior release notes to rh-announce. Although, the generic phrase or two would help. "An update has been made to the GCC 3.3.2 package. A couple issues were fixed, including [...]. Below you'll find more information." Something like that so we can take this one or 2 lines and drop it straight into a change-request form for modifying a system in production. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 12 20:00:54 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:00:54 -0500 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports Message-ID: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> While this message will ultimately meet the "requirements" for reporting to this list ("is this a bug"==fedora-list, "here is a proposed patch"==fedora-devel-list, and "here are some rpms to test"==fedora-test-list), I am going to take the opportunity to comment on a couple other items. First, I can empathize with those posting to this list about bugs rather than fedora-list because the fedora-list has a too low signal-to-noise ratio. The problem described below has been posted to the fedora-list but has received little in comments. Few Red Hat folks seem to read the list (noteable exception is Bill Nottingham) and I cannot blame them due to the S/N ratio. Second, I have a question concerning bugzilla reports. Many reports appear to stay in a "NEW" status for a very long time (sometimes forever). While some individuals may be away due to circumstances such as vacation, being sick, etc., I would expect that some attention would be paid to these reports. It is frustrating when they appear to be ignored and the bug continues ... like, why bother reporting it when the report is ignored. Case in point concerns the working of the gnome panel drawers in Fedora Core 1. During the test cycle when I found that drawers were not converting/working, I reported that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107648 I then found another report (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104492) and closed mine in its failure. 2. I continued to hope that this would be fixed in FC1 but when it was not, I looked at bugzilla.gnome.org and found that the problem had been found and fixed in cvs (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121072). Now the report in the Red Hat bugzilla had a number of other bugs marked as dups so this was something bother a lot of individuals. The problem had been fixed in cvs around 16 Sep so there was lots of time to get this fixed before FC1. This is frustrating. 3. OK, so was the update simple ... yes. Looking at the update in the gnome cvs, only one file was hit by the update -- button-wedget.c. I created a patch for only button-widget.c which incorporated updates from the gnome cvs -- by the time I got to it, there had been three updates: the drawer fix plus two other patches which did some minor changing of text messages. While the text message updates also hit other modules, to have them only button-widget.c did not appear to cause any problems. I have attached the patch to bugzilla 104492 as a proposed fix. 4. I also built some rpms with the patch and have posted them to anonymous ftp at ftp://czarc.net/pub The status of the bugzilla report as of today: still marked as new. Frustrating. -- Gene From lsomike at futzin.com Wed Nov 12 20:02:15 2003 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:02:15 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311122002.15550.lsomike@futzin.com> On Wednesday 12 November 2003 19:44, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) > Not so much the format but rather the location you noted: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ Should we assume this will also be available at the configured up2date location, shown below, at some point in the near future or will we have to include the above location as a source for this in our config? http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1/... A quick check show nothing available at this location. Regards, Mike Klinke From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 12 20:08:35 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:08:35 -0500 Subject: Xserver --nolisten tcp by default? Message-ID: <200311121508.35453.nbecker@hns.com> It seems that fedora1 changed the Xserver to start with --nolisten tcp by default. That's an important change! I didn't notice this in the release notes! How to I overide it? From notting at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 20:21:09 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:21:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: glibc-2.3.2-101.1 Message-ID: <20031112152109.A1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-002 2003-11-12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : glibc Version : 2.3.2 Release : 101.1 Summary : The GNU libc libraries. Description : The glibc package contains standard libraries which are used by multiple programs on the system. In order to save disk space and memory, as well as to make upgrading easier, common system code is kept in one place and shared between programs. This particular package contains the most important sets of shared libraries: the standard C library and the standard math library. Without these two libraries, a Linux system will not function. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: Herbert Xu reported that various applications can accept spoofed messages sent on the kernel netlink interface by other users on the local machine. This could lead to a local denial of service attack. The glibc function getifaddrs uses netlink and could therefore be vulnerable to this issue. The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures project (cve.mitre.org) has assigned the name CAN-2003-0859 to this issue. In addition to this this update fixes a couple of bugs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Nov 11 2003 Jakub Jelinek 2.3.2-101.1 - fix getifaddrs (CAN-2003-0859) - fix ftw fd leak - fix linuxthreads sigaction (#108634) - fix glibc 2.0 stdio compatibility - fix uselocale (LC_GLOBAL_LOCALE) - speed up stdio locking in non-threaded programs on IA-32 - try to maintain correct order of cleanups between those registered with __attribute__((cleanup)) and with LinuxThreads style pthread_cleanup_push/pop (#108631) - fix segfault in regex (#109606) - fix RE_ICASE multi-byte handling in regex - fix pthread_exit in libpthread.a (#109790) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ SRPMS/glibc-2.3.2-101.1.src.rpm md5 sum: 1483328d54230ea11f724b4b021280ae i386/glibc-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: b0aab097f56a54825ce4112635e2a707 i386/glibc-devel-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 9e35df2b5b6d07c08f39454416bc3d29 i386/glibc-headers-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 73f7009a6fdea1351f68c3f586537c8c i386/glibc-profile-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 19bc0ab1772dec22b1a2de78d7a629b4 i386/glibc-common-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: bf9b0099d30bd50ffc4df7672e86c3c9 i386/nscd-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: efc6a72b3a31239c62e9b3fd79d020d8 i386/glibc-debug-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 0f635a429c9d08f68c7522ede4898b66 i386/glibc-utils-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: b6bcbe59119165a0c0dc275cb5770731 i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 35eb4d756266924111989ed0c803cdf0 i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-common-2.3.2-101.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: fd58286e5c4b368af0d8c9b7217c8581 i386/glibc-2.3.2-101.1.i686.rpm md5 sum: c57c52f91308bf84ec7213264ce47869 i386/nptl-devel-2.3.2-101.1.i686.rpm md5 sum: 0198a5e9c6ce75008a90068895ef1f7e i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.2-101.1.i686.rpm md5 sum: 5a922d6518e19878b88612a8a56f6d4c This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevin at loose-screws.com Thu Nov 13 07:56:27 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:56:27 +0800 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3FB3392B.7080006@loose-screws.com> maybe we need a fedora-bugs-list? test-list would be for testing bug-fixed/new rpms/packages or whatnot. I can't see bugs fitting into testing. Reporting bugs/results for new/testing packages fits here, but not new bugs. Bugzilla isnt exactly the best place to discuss the bug either. Just a thought. -- Kevin Francis Gene C. wrote: > While this message will ultimately meet the "requirements" for reporting to > this list ("is this a bug"==fedora-list, "here is a proposed > patch"==fedora-devel-list, and "here are some rpms to > test"==fedora-test-list), I am going to take the opportunity to comment on a > couple other items. > > First, I can empathize with those posting to this list about bugs rather than > fedora-list because the fedora-list has a too low signal-to-noise ratio. The > problem described below has been posted to the fedora-list but has received > little in comments. Few Red Hat folks seem to read the list (noteable > exception is Bill Nottingham) and I cannot blame them due to the S/N ratio. > > Second, I have a question concerning bugzilla reports. Many reports appear to > stay in a "NEW" status for a very long time (sometimes forever). While some > individuals may be away due to circumstances such as vacation, being sick, > etc., I would expect that some attention would be paid to these reports. It > is frustrating when they appear to be ignored and the bug continues ... like, > why bother reporting it when the report is ignored. > > Case in point concerns the working of the gnome panel drawers in Fedora Core > 1. During the test cycle when I found that drawers were not > converting/working, I reported that: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107648 > I then found another report > (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104492) and closed mine > in its failure. > > 2. I continued to hope that this would be fixed in FC1 but when it was not, I > looked at bugzilla.gnome.org and found that the problem had been found and > fixed in cvs (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121072). Now the > report in the Red Hat bugzilla had a number of other bugs marked as dups so > this was something bother a lot of individuals. The problem had been fixed > in cvs around 16 Sep so there was lots of time to get this fixed before FC1. > This is frustrating. > > 3. OK, so was the update simple ... yes. Looking at the update in the gnome > cvs, only one file was hit by the update -- button-wedget.c. I created a > patch for only button-widget.c which incorporated updates from the gnome cvs > -- by the time I got to it, there had been three updates: the drawer fix plus > two other patches which did some minor changing of text messages. While the > text message updates also hit other modules, to have them only > button-widget.c did not appear to cause any problems. I have attached the > patch to bugzilla 104492 as a proposed fix. > > 4. I also built some rpms with the patch and have posted them to anonymous > ftp at ftp://czarc.net/pub > > The status of the bugzilla report as of today: still marked as new. > Frustrating. From alexl at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 08:54:24 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 13 Nov 2003 09:54:24 +0100 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1068713664.428.301.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 21:00, Gene C. wrote: > While this message will ultimately meet the "requirements" for reporting to > this list ("is this a bug"==fedora-list, "here is a proposed > patch"==fedora-devel-list, and "here are some rpms to > test"==fedora-test-list), I am going to take the opportunity to comment on a > couple other items. > > First, I can empathize with those posting to this list about bugs rather than > fedora-list because the fedora-list has a too low signal-to-noise ratio. The > problem described below has been posted to the fedora-list but has received > little in comments. Few Red Hat folks seem to read the list (noteable > exception is Bill Nottingham) and I cannot blame them due to the S/N ratio. > > Second, I have a question concerning bugzilla reports. Many reports appear to > stay in a "NEW" status for a very long time (sometimes forever). While some > individuals may be away due to circumstances such as vacation, being sick, > etc., I would expect that some attention would be paid to these reports. It > is frustrating when they appear to be ignored and the bug continues ... like, > why bother reporting it when the report is ignored. I do understand what you're saying, but you have to look at it from our side too. Take gnome bugs for instance, I and three other basically handle all the gnome packages, and together we have many hundred open bugs for them, and furthermore we all work in gnome upstream where there are thousands of bugs in the gnome bugzilla, many that we own, being maintainers for core upstream packages. Our daily work consists of many things, like following redhat and gnome upstream mailing list discussions (thousands of email a day), replying to bugreports we get in the redhat and gnome bugzillas, helping people on irc, actually spend time trying to track down and fix bugs, working on new features for redhat, working on upstream development gnome features, work on gnome organizational or sysadmin issues, etc. Now, the balance between these are very tricky, you don't want to spend all your day reading email, but at the same time its important to keep up to speed and reply to peoples problems, to help people, to keep the mailing lists useful, and to keep the projects on track. Its important to fix bugs, since bugs irritate people and make software suck, but at the same time there *has* to be new work on features, rewrites, etc, since these are what really drive software forward (and in many cases help fix the cause of many bugs you otherwise could spend lots of time working around). At the end of the day, a new major feature in the next release might be more important than a bugfix in the current release that only affects a few people. This balance act is made even harder by the fact that you really can't context switch between these different things often. To write new code you have to have a large chunk of uninterupted time, or things take a lot more time. Even fixing bugs can take quite som time too, so you can't be interrupted by mail/irc all the time. The way I try to handle this is to make the different schedules (gnome, fedora, rhel) i work under control what focus my work has. So, during the heavy beta period, say test1 to test3 I work mainly on fixing bugs in bugzilla, but as we reach the "deeply frozen" part after the last beta has shipped I target only extremely bad stop-ship bugs (common crashers, really ugly things in the default setup, etc). Much of this is tracked via the shouldfix and mustfix buglists in bugzilla, but I also have a general feel of what is important of the thousands of bugs i'm responsible for in rh/gnome bugzilla. So, when the release is freezing and eventually shipped I start to ramp up my feature work. We're lucky with our schedules this time, so this means I get some real time to spend in the gnome 2.5 development phase before the 2.6 feature freeze. During this time I spend much less time on bugzilla, I glance over my bugzilla mails, and read a few that seem important, but I don't spend any real time fixing stuff unless its really really bad (security, etc). No matter what phase i'm in I try to follow the mailing lists, but when in deep coding mode I tend to do so less detailed and not reply as often. However, just reading email takes me several hours a day, so sometimes when coding I don't even do this for a couple of days. However, just because I don't immedately work on fixing a bug doesn't mean its "ignored". Eventually the feature development phase will end and we'll reach a stabilization phase again. Then I'll start looking seriously at the reports in bugzilla again, and hopefully I can fix a fair share of the important and the easy bugs. Even if the bug gets fixed upstream after the release, I don't typically spend time doing an updated package. Hundreds of bugs get fixed in gnome every week, and building, testing and pushing out an updated package takes a large chunk of time. I could easily spend all my time doing that, but that would mean I could do no upstream development at all. This is also the reason that we want people to report bugs upstream, or refile them ourselves. We're not that many, and we own a lot of code, so we can't spend much time on less important issues. But a bug filed upstream goes directly to the person responsible for the application, who hopefully cares a lot about his app, is more focused on it, and knows it better. (Of course, in some cases we're the upstream owner too...) What it all comes down to is that bugzilla is a tool to help developers manage their work. There is no guarantee that a bug will be fixed when its in bugzilla, thats all depending on how much time the responsible developer has, how he prioritizes his time, etc. However, if the bug is in bugzilla, there is a better chance of the bug being fixed. The bug won't be forgotten, all information about the bug is stored in the same place, other people can report more info in the bug, and its even possible for other people to help fix the bug. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a war-weary day-dreaming matador moving from town to town, helping folk in trouble. She's a tortured tempestuous former first lady married to the Mob. They fight crime! From kevin at loose-screws.com Thu Nov 13 11:48:55 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:48:55 +0800 Subject: yum vs rpm. Message-ID: <3FB36FA7.80501@loose-screws.com> I am going to assume here, that yum is the tool of choice for Fedora Core. If that assumption is correct, we should discourage people from using apt-get/synaptic, seeing as how this is a sure fire way of seeing those `rpm lock-up' complaints. Perhaps an FAQ or something explaining how to make yum go faster ( -C ) is in order. The #1 complaint about yum is the fact that it updates all the time. Remove that, and it's maybe ... 5 seconds slower than apt? And it's designed for the task. I send this to the test-list, as this will probably be of concern to the people putting out the next test. -- Kevin G. Francis From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 12:15:49 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:15:49 -0500 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1068725748.5926.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 15:00, Gene C. wrote: > While this message will ultimately meet the "requirements" for reporting to > this list ("is this a bug"==fedora-list, "here is a proposed > patch"==fedora-devel-list, and "here are some rpms to > test"==fedora-test-list), I am going to take the opportunity to comment on a > couple other items. > > First, I can empathize with those posting to this list about bugs rather than > fedora-list because the fedora-list has a too low signal-to-noise ratio. The > problem described below has been posted to the fedora-list but has received > little in comments. Few Red Hat folks seem to read the list (noteable > exception is Bill Nottingham) and I cannot blame them due to the S/N ratio. Of you have concerns (or better yet, suggestions!) about the development process, those are best brought up on fedora-devel. Note that "find more time in the day" is not a particularly useful suggestion ;-(. Yes, this would have been fixed if we had upgraded gnome-panel to 2.4.1 right after it came out on October 14... but since that was after test3, we weren't going to do that without really going through the changes in detail. In the ideal world, we'd never ship a release with any ShouldFix bugs still open. We certainly don't always achieve that. Perhaps for FC2, some external people can help nag on ShouldFix bugs. It really does help a lot if somebody posts a list of "Here are 7 ShouldFix bugs where there are outstanding obvious patches" > Second, I have a question concerning bugzilla reports. Many reports appear to > stay in a "NEW" status for a very long time (sometimes forever). While some > individuals may be away due to circumstances such as vacation, being sick, > etc., I would expect that some attention would be paid to these reports. It > is frustrating when they appear to be ignored and the bug continues ... like, > why bother reporting it when the report is ignored. And the question is, what? "Why are you guys slacking off on RH bugzilla?" Hours in the day, basically. So we can bring you new and exciting GTK+, Nautilus, D-BUS, whatever features. I wouldn't obsess about the *state* of a bug; yes, there is a general policy that bugs should be moved to NEW => ASSSIGNED, once they get looked at, but that really doesn't have much to do with when they get fixed. [ Long saga about panel drawer bug deleted ] Luckily, fedora policies make it a lot easier to throw gnome-panel-2.4.1 in updates than it's typically been to do a similar thing as a Red Hat Linux errata. Regards, Owen From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 12:27:47 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:27:47 -0500 Subject: Installing from software RAID0? In-Reply-To: <20031112211801.GD1049932@hiwaay.net> References: <20031112211801.GD1049932@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <200311130727.47372.nbecker@hns.com> I installed to lvm1 striped OK, although I had already created the lvm (under RH9) before starting the install. From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 12:36:02 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:36:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: glibc-2.3.2-101.1 In-Reply-To: <20031112152109.A1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112152109.A1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311130736.02416.nbecker@hns.com> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This update can be downloaded from: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ Is there a yum.conf entry for this? From zimhat at foou.net Thu Nov 13 12:46:25 2003 From: zimhat at foou.net (Law Horne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:46:25 -0500 Subject: up2date behavior Message-ID: <3FB37D21.9040608@foou.net> > > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109502 > >There is nothing in your message about testing. Please use the fedora-list > Sorry I sent to the worng list. Was wondering why I did not see this in the fedora list. From sameh.attia at tedata.net Thu Nov 13 13:05:49 2003 From: sameh.attia at tedata.net (Sameh Attia) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:05:49 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: glibc-2.3.2-101.1 In-Reply-To: <200311130736.02416.nbecker@hns.com> References: <20031112152109.A1821@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311130736.02416.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FB381AD.4020200@tedata.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Neal D. Becker wrote: |>--------------------------------------------------------------------- |>This update can be downloaded from: |> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ | | |Is there a yum.conf entry for this? | | |-- |fedora-test-list mailing list |fedora-test-list at redhat.com |http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list | | [fedora-redhat-updates] name=Fedora Core Redhat Updates baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/$releasever/$basearch - -- Sameh Attia Senior System Engineer T.E. Data - -- dc -e '603178305900664311156641389051003470569569613466992253686426210705237258P' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAj+zgasACgkQSUZgoeYoLGrbHwCfRfFmj1EU5zjJbaO9ypiYx4qV 5acAnAtMVqZQ24L8E65DxzlFTjUl0enu =nwXT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Nov 13 13:08:51 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:08:51 +0100 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <1068658051.16692.8.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <20031112170448.1d51bf05.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068658051.16692.8.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <20031113140851.02ef0c39.matthias@rpmforge.net> Mark Guzzo wrote : > > http://freshrpms.net/ > > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/ > > http://yarrow.freshrpms.net/ (*NEW!* ;-)) > > > > Matthias > > Matthias, > > At http://freshrpms.net/packages/builds/yum/yum-fd.conf > you have the baseurl's as .. > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/XXXXXX > It should be listed as.. > > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms Thanks. A last minute CVS commit was forgotten on that file ;-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.87 0.96 0.95 From philipp at rembold.org Thu Nov 13 13:12:37 2003 From: philipp at rembold.org (.philipp rembold) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:12:37 +0100 Subject: S-ATA Controller Silicon Image SiI 3114 or 3112 Message-ID: Hi, has anybody got some experience about installing Fedore Core on hdds hanging on a S-ATA controller by Silicon Image? (Chips like SiI 3114 or SiI 3112 - http://www.siliconimage.com/products/storage.asp) Thanks! Philipp gru?, philipp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- nobody knows, where it comes and where it goes ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Nov 13 13:17:28 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:17:28 +0200 (EET) Subject: yum vs rpm. In-Reply-To: <3FB36FA7.80501@loose-screws.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Kevin Francis wrote: > I am going to assume here, that yum is the tool of choice for Fedora Core. > > If that assumption is correct, we should discourage people from using > apt-get/synaptic, seeing as how this is a sure fire way of seeing those > `rpm lock-up' complaints. Oh that's just bollocks.. on RHL 9, if you didn't update rpm to 4.2-1 hitting ctrl-c in mid-flight was a sure way to get rpm to hang, however that was a bug in rpm, not apt/synaptic. The original rpm from RHL 8.0 has similar problems (but a different bug), fixed by updating to rpm-4.1.1. The former didn't trigger in yum, the latter did (IIRC) but that's got nothing to do with the issue really. rpm-4.2.1 in FC 1 seems to be quite ok, haven't had any lockups under normal conditions (rpmlib-related development doesn't count as normal conditions :) Kill *any* rpm-related installer with kill -9 and you have a lockup, by definition, for that matter. Yum is included in FC1, apt+synaptic only as extras (in fedora.us until the real merger occurs) currently but that might change at some point.. People have different needs & tastes, yum doesn't do everything apt does and vice versa - use the right tool for the job. - Panu - From kevin at loose-screws.com Thu Nov 13 13:27:35 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:27:35 +0800 Subject: yum vs rpm. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068730054.21150.13.camel@aerie> Indeed. But the average user thinks this way: "Ohhhh apt-get is fast! Let's get that!" I kill yum regularly ( it's a reflex whenever i perform something I don't want to ), and experience no lockups. ALL lockups on the list however are apt-related. I see a pattern. Yes, yum is less feature complete, but ... pinning packages, and specifying sources per package aren't what normal people do. Yes, right tool for the right job :) Simple updates/upgrades/distro-upgrades are yum-able. Pinning etc. ... well the power users can use apt. Just a thought though. On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 21:17, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Kevin Francis wrote: > > > I am going to assume here, that yum is the tool of choice for Fedora Core. > > > > If that assumption is correct, we should discourage people from using > > apt-get/synaptic, seeing as how this is a sure fire way of seeing those > > `rpm lock-up' complaints. > > Oh that's just bollocks.. on RHL 9, if you didn't update rpm to 4.2-1 > hitting ctrl-c in mid-flight was a sure way to get rpm to hang, however > that was a bug in rpm, not apt/synaptic. The original rpm from RHL 8.0 has > similar problems (but a different bug), fixed by updating to rpm-4.1.1. > The former didn't trigger in yum, the latter did (IIRC) but that's got > nothing to do with the issue really. rpm-4.2.1 in FC 1 seems to be quite > ok, haven't had any lockups under normal conditions (rpmlib-related > development doesn't count as normal conditions :) Kill *any* rpm-related > installer with kill -9 and you have a lockup, by definition, for that > matter. > > Yum is included in FC1, apt+synaptic only as extras (in fedora.us until > the real merger occurs) currently but that might change at some point.. > People have different needs & tastes, yum doesn't do everything apt does > and vice versa - use the right tool for the job. > > - Panu - > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kevin Francis From cliff at villagevisions.com Thu Nov 13 13:35:53 2003 From: cliff at villagevisions.com (Cliff Kent) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:35:53 -0500 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FB388B9.5000006@villagevisions.com> >> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:45, Elliott Wilcoxon wrote: >> >> >> It would be nice if you explained how to update from RH9 using >> >> yum/apt/up2date. I'd like to be able to do a apt-get dist-upgrade >> >> to save download and installation time, but the bits I've read on >> >> the mailing list don't make it clear if it works or doesn't. >> >> >> I think that's actually why I didn't include it in the FAQ -- I >> am also not sure that it works. Even theoretically, thinking about >> the upgrade path from RH9 to FC1, I'm not sure that yum or up2date or >> apt would do it flawlessly. >> >> -M Now I wish I'd taken better notes. I did an upgrade from RH9 to FC1 using yum and it went very smoothly. Generally- * Updated yum on the RH9 box to the latest version * Made a local yum repository containing all the rpm files from the FC1 CDs * Edited the existing RH9 yum.conf to remove references to all RH9 repositories and add the new FC1 repository as [base]. * Started "yum update" and went for coffee * After looking at the release notes, "package changes" under "removed", I ran something like: yum install fedora-release fedora-logos rpmdb-fedora The result looks and runs like a clean FC1 install. Although there are some other packages that I should remove before putting into service. I hope that helps a little. I wouldn't suggest that method to a total yum beginner, but anyone who has set up even a simple yum server should get it right one the first try. I'm no yum expert. However, if I'd trashed that RH9 machine I'd have lost nothing. I have not tried it on my working RH9 box and probably won't. You have been warned... ck From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Nov 13 13:44:10 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:44:10 +0200 (EET) Subject: yum vs rpm. In-Reply-To: <1068730054.21150.13.camel@aerie> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Kevin Francis wrote: > Indeed. But the average user thinks this way: > > "Ohhhh apt-get is fast! Let's get that!" > > I kill yum regularly ( it's a reflex whenever i perform something I > don't want to ), and experience no lockups. I kill apt regularly and have yet to see a single lockup on FC1, or on RHL 9 for that matter, *after* updating to rpm-4.2-1. RHL 8.0 and 9 were pretty much disastrous without getting updated rpm from ftp.rpm.org. > > ALL lockups on the list however are apt-related. I see a pattern. Yes, > yum is less feature complete, but ... pinning packages, and specifying > sources per package aren't what normal people do. Mmm.. I don't remember seeing any apt-related hangs on fedora-lists.. Feel free to give pointers - I don't claim that apt is bugfree (nothing is :) but there are many variables here, including apt and rpm versions. > > Yes, right tool for the right job :) Simple > updates/upgrades/distro-upgrades are yum-able. Pinning etc. ... well the > power users can use apt. Sure, yum is far simpler to set up + use and been gaining popularity hugely within the last year. Nothing wrong with that of course :) - Panu - From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 13:51:27 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 08:51:27 -0500 Subject: yum vs rpm. In-Reply-To: <1068730054.21150.13.camel@aerie> References: <1068730054.21150.13.camel@aerie> Message-ID: <1068731486.4082.0.camel@opus> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 08:27, Kevin Francis wrote: > Indeed. But the average user thinks this way: > > "Ohhhh apt-get is fast! Let's get that!" > > I kill yum regularly ( it's a reflex whenever i perform something I > don't want to ), and experience no lockups. > > ALL lockups on the list however are apt-related. I see a pattern. Yes, > yum is less feature complete, but ... pinning packages, and specifying > sources per package aren't what normal people do. > > Yes, right tool for the right job :) Simple > updates/upgrades/distro-upgrades are yum-able. Pinning etc. ... well the > power users can use apt. Knock this crap off. People can use whatever updating tool they're comfortable with. I hope in the not-so-distant future this will be even more true. -sv From maxx at krakoa.dk Thu Nov 13 13:57:00 2003 From: maxx at krakoa.dk (Mads Villadsen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:57:00 +0100 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <3FB388B9.5000006@villagevisions.com> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB388B9.5000006@villagevisions.com> Message-ID: <1068731819.1926.53.camel@pc560.statsbiblioteket.dk> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 14:35, Cliff Kent wrote: > Now I wish I'd taken better notes. I did an upgrade from RH9 to FC1 > using yum and it went very smoothly. I did it using apt, taking almost exactly the same steps that you did. Ie. changed the sources to point to fedora core 1, and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Afterwards install fedora-release, fedora-logos, rpmdb-fedora, and rhgb. That seems to have given me a nice fedora core 1 system. From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Nov 13 14:11:57 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:11:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: ethereal-0.9.16-1 In-Reply-To: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112154517.A15147@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068732716.4963.0.camel@dbxwsd21> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 15:45, Bill Nottingham wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-009 > 2003-11-12 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : ethereal > Version : 0.9.16 > Release : 1 > Summary : Network traffic analyzer > Description : > Ethereal is a network traffic analyzer for Unix-ish operating systems. > > This package lays base for libpcap, a packet capture and filtering > library, contains command-line utilities, contains plugins and > documentation for ethereal. A graphical user interface is packaged > separately to GTK+ package. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Wed Nov 05 2003 Phil Knirsch 0.9.16-1 > > - Updated to latest upstream version 0.9.16 > > Is this a security fix? If so, should all updates that fix a security hole specify? From kevin at loose-screws.com Thu Nov 13 14:14:39 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:14:39 +0800 Subject: yum vs rpm. In-Reply-To: <1068731486.4082.0.camel@opus> References: <1068730054.21150.13.camel@aerie> <1068731486.4082.0.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3FB391CF.5020806@loose-screws.com> *sigh* I didn't mean KILL APT! I meant more of a "Newbs: go with yum. IF you want however, you may choose apt in the spirit of Open Source Software." Sorry if i irked anyone ... -- Kevin Francis seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 08:27, Kevin Francis wrote: > >>Indeed. But the average user thinks this way: >> >>"Ohhhh apt-get is fast! Let's get that!" >> >>I kill yum regularly ( it's a reflex whenever i perform something I >>don't want to ), and experience no lockups. >> >>ALL lockups on the list however are apt-related. I see a pattern. Yes, >>yum is less feature complete, but ... pinning packages, and specifying >>sources per package aren't what normal people do. >> >>Yes, right tool for the right job :) Simple >>updates/upgrades/distro-upgrades are yum-able. Pinning etc. ... well the >>power users can use apt. > > > Knock this crap off. People can use whatever updating tool they're > comfortable with. I hope in the not-so-distant future this will be even > more true. > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 14:20:37 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 09:20:37 -0500 Subject: yum vs rpm. In-Reply-To: <3FB391CF.5020806@loose-screws.com> References: <1068730054.21150.13.camel@aerie> <1068731486.4082.0.camel@opus> <3FB391CF.5020806@loose-screws.com> Message-ID: <1068733237.4082.26.camel@opus> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 09:14, Kevin Francis wrote: > *sigh* > > I didn't mean KILL APT! > > I meant more of a "Newbs: go with yum. IF you want however, you may > choose apt in the spirit of Open Source Software." > > Sorry if i irked anyone ... It's just that you're potentially prompting a yum vs apt vs up2date horribly useless flamewar. I think Panu and I were both trying to quell such a thing. -sv From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Nov 13 14:25:41 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:25:41 -0500 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1068733541.4963.6.camel@dbxwsd21> > The status of the bugzilla report as of today: still marked as new. > Frustrating. I figure that some of this is due to a lack of leadership structure. The leadership page is still a draft, mentions an advisory and technical committee, but has yet to add members or even describe how members are chosen. From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Nov 13 14:26:55 2003 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:26:55 -0800 Subject: No USB mouse with Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <1068666102.1472.9.camel@moria.arnor.net> References: <1068666102.1472.9.camel@moria.arnor.net> Message-ID: <1068733615.2855.18.camel@CirithUngol> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:41, Torrey Hoffman wrote: > I installed the latest 2.6 kernel from Arjan's RPMs at > http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5 -- specifically > vmlinuz-2.6.0-0.test9.1.83smp and tried it out. > > Most things seemed to work, except my USB mouse didn't get started up > and didn't work. The light didn't come on, which seems to happen when > the USB drivers load, so I don't think the USB mouse driver was loaded > at all. > > Any suggestions on how to fix this? Yes, spend some time reading about the changes to the kernel modules, in particular usbmouse and usbkbd. Google should provide: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=upgrade+2.6+kernel+redhat&btnG=Google+Search -- Andrew Farris From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Nov 13 14:30:46 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:30:46 -0500 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <3FB3392B.7080006@loose-screws.com> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> <3FB3392B.7080006@loose-screws.com> Message-ID: <1068733845.4963.10.camel@dbxwsd21> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 02:56, Kevin Francis wrote: > maybe we need a fedora-bugs-list? > test-list would be for testing bug-fixed/new rpms/packages or whatnot. > > I can't see bugs fitting into testing. Reporting bugs/results for > new/testing packages fits here, but not new bugs. Bugzilla isnt exactly > the best place to discuss the bug either. > I think bugzilla is a good place for bugs. In enforces some structure on bug reports. List can become stuffed with messages like "my X is borked". Bugzilla at least weeds out some of the more vague bug reports. If you can figure out bugzilla, you usually can help a developer solve the problem. If the fedora user base grows, there need to be a screen between the developers and the end users. From kevin at loose-screws.com Thu Nov 13 14:30:36 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:30:36 +0800 Subject: yum vs rpm. In-Reply-To: <1068733237.4082.26.camel@opus> References: <1068730054.21150.13.camel@aerie> <1068731486.4082.0.camel@opus> <3FB391CF.5020806@loose-screws.com> <1068733237.4082.26.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3FB3958C.3010606@loose-screws.com> oh. sorry. I really didn't think this would be inflammatory. I was just trying to save a lot of people (users and question-answerers alike) time and frustration. really didn't meant to start anything. partly the reason i directed the email here instead of -list. oh goodness. I just realized my subject alone is enough. *sigh* still though, I think it should be considered. *drops the subject* -- Kevin Francis seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 09:14, Kevin Francis wrote: > >>*sigh* >> >>I didn't mean KILL APT! >> >>I meant more of a "Newbs: go with yum. IF you want however, you may >>choose apt in the spirit of Open Source Software." >> >>Sorry if i irked anyone ... > > > It's just that you're potentially prompting a yum vs apt vs up2date > horribly useless flamewar. I think Panu and I were both trying to quell > such a thing. > > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From cliff at villagevisions.com Thu Nov 13 14:33:09 2003 From: cliff at villagevisions.com (Cliff Kent) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:33:09 -0500 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <1068731819.1926.53.camel@pc560.statsbiblioteket.dk> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB388B9.5000006@villagevisions.com> <1068731819.1926.53.camel@pc560.statsbiblioteket.dk> Message-ID: <3FB39625.4030805@villagevisions.com> Isn't it nice when software just works? >> rhgb << I'll have to check on that one. Note to self: take better notes. ck From kevin at loose-screws.com Thu Nov 13 14:39:00 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:39:00 +0800 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <1068733845.4963.10.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> <3FB3392B.7080006@loose-screws.com> <1068733845.4963.10.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <3FB39784.1000702@loose-screws.com> I meant in a more Subject: #bugid: or something like that. People seem determined to discuss bugs outside bugzilla, even in -list! I suppose I am out of my depth though. -- Kevin Francis Will Backman wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 02:56, Kevin Francis wrote: > >>maybe we need a fedora-bugs-list? >>test-list would be for testing bug-fixed/new rpms/packages or whatnot. >> >>I can't see bugs fitting into testing. Reporting bugs/results for >>new/testing packages fits here, but not new bugs. Bugzilla isnt exactly >>the best place to discuss the bug either. >> > > > I think bugzilla is a good place for bugs. In enforces some structure > on bug reports. List can become stuffed with messages like "my X is > borked". Bugzilla at least weeds out some of the more vague bug > reports. If you can figure out bugzilla, you usually can help a > developer solve the problem. If the fedora user base grows, there need > to be a screen between the developers and the end users. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jrmizell at earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 14:43:50 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:43:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports Message-ID: <26932576.1068734630642.JavaMail.root@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Owen, I want to let you and everyone at Redhat know that I do appreciate your work and efforts. It seems some forget that this community project is voluntary and some fixes take time due to other constraints. Thanx, John Mizell -----Original Message----- From: Owen Taylor Sent: Nov 13, 2003 7:15 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 15:00, Gene C. wrote: > While this message will ultimately meet the "requirements" for reporting to > this list ("is this a bug"==fedora-list, "here is a proposed > patch"==fedora-devel-list, and "here are some rpms to > test"==fedora-test-list), I am going to take the opportunity to comment on a > couple other items. > > First, I can empathize with those posting to this list about bugs rather than > fedora-list because the fedora-list has a too low signal-to-noise ratio. The > problem described below has been posted to the fedora-list but has received > little in comments. Few Red Hat folks seem to read the list (noteable > exception is Bill Nottingham) and I cannot blame them due to the S/N ratio. Of you have concerns (or better yet, suggestions!) about the development process, those are best brought up on fedora-devel. Note that "find more time in the day" is not a particularly useful suggestion ;-(. Yes, this would have been fixed if we had upgraded gnome-panel to 2.4.1 right after it came out on October 14... but since that was after test3, we weren't going to do that without really going through the changes in detail. In the ideal world, we'd never ship a release with any ShouldFix bugs still open. We certainly don't always achieve that. Perhaps for FC2, some external people can help nag on ShouldFix bugs. It really does help a lot if somebody posts a list of "Here are 7 ShouldFix bugs where there are outstanding obvious patches" > Second, I have a question concerning bugzilla reports. Many reports appear to > stay in a "NEW" status for a very long time (sometimes forever). While some > individuals may be away due to circumstances such as vacation, being sick, > etc., I would expect that some attention would be paid to these reports. It > is frustrating when they appear to be ignored and the bug continues ... like, > why bother reporting it when the report is ignored. And the question is, what? "Why are you guys slacking off on RH bugzilla?" Hours in the day, basically. So we can bring you new and exciting GTK+, Nautilus, D-BUS, whatever features. I wouldn't obsess about the *state* of a bug; yes, there is a general policy that bugs should be moved to NEW => ASSSIGNED, once they get looked at, but that really doesn't have much to do with when they get fixed. [ Long saga about panel drawer bug deleted ] Luckily, fedora policies make it a lot easier to throw gnome-panel-2.4.1 in updates than it's typically been to do a similar thing as a Red Hat Linux errata. Regards, Owen -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mr700 at globalnet.bg Thu Nov 13 15:02:59 2003 From: mr700 at globalnet.bg (Doncho N. Gunchev) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:02:59 +0200 Subject: rpm database corrupted, how to recover? In-Reply-To: <1068680256.1472.39.camel@moria.arnor.net> References: <1068673167.1472.33.camel@moria.arnor.net> <1068680256.1472.39.camel@moria.arnor.net> Message-ID: <200311131702.59178@-mr700> On Thursday 13 November 2003 01:37, Torrey Hoffman wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:23, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2003, Torrey Hoffman wrote: > > > While installing some rpms from FreshRPMs.net on my system, rpm > > > segfaulted. It seems to have corrupted the database in the process, > > > and now all rpm commands hang. > > > > rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* > > rpm --rebuilddb > > Thanks very much, that worked. Can I suggest that rpm --rebuilddb be > changed to do that automatically, so it doesn't just hang in this > situation? > > Thanks again for the quick response. btw: In most cases I only had to 'rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*' No lock so far with Fedora for me ;) some segfaults with rpmbuild, but no other problems... still testing it. -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From alexl at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 15:29:16 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 13 Nov 2003 16:29:16 +0100 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <1068733541.4963.6.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> <1068733541.4963.6.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1068737355.428.316.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 15:25, Will Backman wrote: > > The status of the bugzilla report as of today: still marked as new. > > Frustrating. > > I figure that some of this is due to a lack of leadership structure. > The leadership page is still a draft, mentions an advisory and technical > committee, but has yet to add members or even describe how members are > chosen. I don't quite see how it is related. If we select some form of leadership, how will the bugs I don't have time to fix get fixed? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an obese misogynist messiah on the run. She's a mistrustful hip-hop wrestler with a knack for trouble. They fight crime! From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 15:23:33 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:23:33 -0500 Subject: S-ATA Controller Silicon Image SiI 3114 or 3112 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311131023.33996.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 13 November 2003 08:12, .philipp rembold wrote: > Hi, > > has anybody got some experience about installing Fedore Core on hdds > hanging on a S-ATA controller by Silicon Image? (Chips like SiI 3114 or SiI > 3112 - http://www.siliconimage.com/products/storage.asp) > Here's my setup: SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later Works great! From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 15:32:24 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 10:32:24 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages Message-ID: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> Hey, I posted some rhythmbox 0.6.0 packages the other day to: http://linux.duke.edu/~skvidal/RPMS/rhythmbox/ Would it be possible for those to be released as bug-fix errata for 0.5.4 I know it's not important but it does speed up rhythmbox tremendously. I had to make almost no changes to the 0.5.4 spec file. -sv From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Nov 13 15:49:18 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:49:18 -0500 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <1068737355.428.316.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> <1068733541.4963.6.camel@dbxwsd21> <1068737355.428.316.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1068738557.4963.49.camel@dbxwsd21> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 10:29, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 15:25, Will Backman wrote: > > > The status of the bugzilla report as of today: still marked as new. > > > Frustrating. > > > > I figure that some of this is due to a lack of leadership structure. > > The leadership page is still a draft, mentions an advisory and technical > > committee, but has yet to add members or even describe how members are > > chosen. > > I don't quite see how it is related. If we select some form of > leadership, how will the bugs I don't have time to fix get fixed? > While anyone can fix a bug and post an rpm somewhere on the net, many users only want to draw from "sanctioned" repositories. At this point, all the burden is on a few wonderful folks at RedHat to fill those sanctioned repositories. I think this is the problem that RedHat is trying to avoid by making Fedora a community project and also merging with the fedora.us team. Why else merge with fedora.us? We need a way to spread the load, but at the same time providing quality screens. I assumed that the "Advisory" and "Technical" committees would address those issues, although I may have been reading too much into "the duties, responsibilities, and members of the advisory committee have not been completely decided." From farrisg at mala.bc.ca Thu Nov 13 16:12:05 2003 From: farrisg at mala.bc.ca (George Farris) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:12:05 -0800 Subject: S-ATA Controller Silicon Image SiI 3114 or 3112 In-Reply-To: <200311131023.33996.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311131023.33996.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1068739924.19831.0.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> Which motherboard do you have? On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 07:23, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Thursday 13 November 2003 08:12, .philipp rembold wrote: > > Hi, > > > > has anybody got some experience about installing Fedore Core on hdds > > hanging on a S-ATA controller by Silicon Image? (Chips like SiI 3114 or SiI > > 3112 - http://www.siliconimage.com/products/storage.asp) > > > > Here's my setup: > SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 > SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 2 > SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > > Works great! > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- George Farris farrisg at mala.bc.ca Malaspina University-College - Cowichan Campus From alexl at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 16:14:02 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 13 Nov 2003 17:14:02 +0100 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <1068738557.4963.49.camel@dbxwsd21> References: <200311121500.54868.czar@czarc.net> <1068733541.4963.6.camel@dbxwsd21> <1068737355.428.316.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1068738557.4963.49.camel@dbxwsd21> Message-ID: <1068740042.428.327.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 16:49, Will Backman wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 10:29, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 15:25, Will Backman wrote: > > > > The status of the bugzilla report as of today: still marked as new. > > > > Frustrating. > > > > > > I figure that some of this is due to a lack of leadership structure. > > > The leadership page is still a draft, mentions an advisory and technical > > > committee, but has yet to add members or even describe how members are > > > chosen. > > > > I don't quite see how it is related. If we select some form of > > leadership, how will the bugs I don't have time to fix get fixed? > > > > While anyone can fix a bug and post an rpm somewhere on the net, many > users only want to draw from "sanctioned" repositories. At this point, > all the burden is on a few wonderful folks at RedHat to fill those > sanctioned repositories. I think this is the problem that RedHat is > trying to avoid by making Fedora a community project and also merging > with the fedora.us team. Why else merge with fedora.us? > > We need a way to spread the load, but at the same time providing quality > screens. I assumed that the "Advisory" and "Technical" committees would > address those issues, although I may have been reading too much into > "the duties, responsibilities, and members of the advisory committee > have not been completely decided." Sure. Given a larger community working on bugfixing etc, and some way to ensure quality of the changes to the codebase things might go faster. But its really not fixing the problem, just making it slighly better. Anyone can fix stuff in upstream Gnome, and any good fixes will be commited to the gnome cvs tree (and many are). But there are still lots of bugs in gnome bugzilla that are not fixed. The reality is that you just can't rely on a bug filed to be fixed immediately (unless you help fix it yourself). The people working on the distro (be they redhat employees or not) all have their own priorities and limited time. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a suave vegetarian dog-catcher with no name. She's a pregnant snooty museum curator with a birthmark shaped like Liberty's torch. They fight crime! From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 16:29:51 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:29:51 -0500 Subject: S-ATA Controller Silicon Image SiI 3114 or 3112 In-Reply-To: <1068739924.19831.0.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> References: <200311131023.33996.nbecker@hns.com> <1068739924.19831.0.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> Message-ID: <200311131129.51048.nbecker@hns.com> >Which motherboard do you have? A7N8X From tim_kossack at web.de Thu Nov 13 16:32:54 2003 From: tim_kossack at web.de (Tim Kossack) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:32:54 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068741125.1649.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Mit, den 12.11.2003 schrieb Bill Nottingham um 20:44: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) despite the fact that fedora is primarily aimed at people with some knowledge of linux and therefore ease-of-use isn't very high on the priority-list (is it?), it would nevertheless imo be a good idea to seperate the security-relevant updates from the normal ones, either in the headline (f.e. "fedora security-update") or by including a line under "name" (like "security-relevant" yes/no). this of course just for the final (not "test"-) updates. if so, this would ease the use and burden of administration of fedora on pcs of normal users (family, friends etc.) enormously, because they could (after a short instruction and subscription to fedora-announce-list) install the security-fixes themselves. of course, the next step would be at least an option that up2date would install those security-updates automatically (because there's imo no good reason speaking against it). From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 16:32:34 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:32:34 -0500 Subject: wanted k3b, kopete Message-ID: <200311131132.34033.nbecker@hns.com> I hope fedora will soon have k3b again - it was available for the beta. I'd like to see kopete - I've built it myself on RH9 and on fedora betas, but it looks like there has never been a yum package for it. From tim_kossack at web.de Thu Nov 13 16:32:56 2003 From: tim_kossack at web.de (Tim Kossack) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:32:56 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2 In-Reply-To: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031112144401.G28337@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068741173.1647.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Mit, den 12.11.2003 schrieb Bill Nottingham um 20:44: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) despite the fact that fedora is primarily aimed at people with some knowledge of linux and therefore ease-of-use isn't very high on the priority-list (is it?), it would nevertheless imo be a good idea to seperate the security-relevant updates from the normal ones, either in the headline (f.e. "fedora security-update") or by including a line under "name" (like "security-relevant" yes/no). this of course just for the final (not "test"-) updates. if so, this would ease the use and burden of administration of fedora on pcs of normal users (family, friends etc.) enormously, because they could (after a short instruction and subscription to fedora-announce-list) install the security-fixes themselves. of course, the next step would be at least an option that up2date would install those security-updates automatically (because there's imo no good reason speaking against it). From tomc at cloudnet.com Thu Nov 13 16:42:06 2003 From: tomc at cloudnet.com (Tom Cross) Date: 13 Nov 2003 10:42:06 -0600 Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <1068741726.9180.32.camel@meridian.kendeco.com> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:12, Satish Balay wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jay Harris wrote: > > > While we're waiting for the download... has the Xserver changed > > the way it allows incoming windows? I can no longer get Xwindows > > to display on my FCT3 desktop from RH9 or Solaris boxes. It seems > > xhost+ has no affect. I didn't notice this earlier since most of > > my windowing is now done through ssh. > > Xserver no longer listings on the tcp port - which is required for > your - non-ssh-x11-forward stuff to work. > > If you wish to enable this - add the following to /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf - and restart X > > DisallowTCP=false > > Disclaimer: this usage - via 'xhost +' is insecure - and should be avoided. (I'm having this same trouble) I changed this setting and now I can get remote linux boxes to display xterms/xloads/etc, but I can't get my solaris box to do it. It appears to just time out. After a long delay I simply get a "cannot open display hostname:0". :-( I have no firewall running, the host is listed when I do 'xhost', it is using a shared NFS home directory and I changed gdm to put the X cookie thingy on my NFS home directory so the solaris box should be able to do this. The command: /usr/X11R6/bin/xon solarisbox /usr/openwin/bin/xterm -display hostname:0 It works fine with my rh9 workstations... Any ideas? -- Tom Cross From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 16:58:42 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:58:42 -0500 Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: <1068063554.14067.5.camel@death> References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3FA9577D.3010806@noaa.gov> <1068063554.14067.5.camel@death> Message-ID: <200311131158.42081.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 15:19, Mikko Paananen wrote: > Wed, 2003-11-05 22:03, Jay Harris wrote: > > While we're waiting for the download... has the Xserver changed > > the way it allows incoming windows? I can no longer get Xwindows > > to display on my FCT3 desktop from RH9 or Solaris boxes. It seems > > xhost+ has no affect. I didn't notice this earlier since most of > > my windowing is now done through ssh. > > Gdm starts X-Server so that it's not listening network. Gdm has setting > in config file to change this. > > root 8792 8791 1 07:29 ? 00:12:12 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 > -audit 0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > You should use ssh anyway. > It's too slow. Running xemacs client on a cygwin machine, which is very fast, connected to a blazingly fast fedora1 machine running the Xserver, over a 100MBPS network. It's fine running a direct X connection, after removing -nolisten tcp. From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 17:16:33 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:16:33 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1 Message-ID: <20031113171633.GM5686@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2003-006 2003-11-13 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : vnc Version : 4.0 Release : 0.beta4.3.1 Summary : A remote display system. Description : Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a remote display system which allows you to view a computing 'desktop' environment not only on the machine where it is running, but from anywhere on the Internet and from a wide variety of machine architectures. This package contains a client which will allow you to connect to other desktops running a VNC server. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: A problem has been identified in the VNC server, which can cause VNC clients to stop displaying updates. A fix has been incorporated into these updated packages. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Nov 12 2003 Tim Waugh 4.0-0.beta4.3.1 - Work around file(1) bug #109495. - Better fix for bug #104702, to avoid bug #107455. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ SRPMS/vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1.src.rpm md5 sum: 748fc468e24614184a719e94de3b0dd8 i386/vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: e899f09447f30374150f726b5a4d7b64 i386/vnc-server-4.0-0.beta4.3.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: c7073e65b2d4da7afecfba76c7f42a95 i386/debug/vnc-debuginfo-4.0-0.beta4.3.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 33012957b9e87bb9bf23a19b6f25a36b This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Andreas From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Nov 13 17:47:38 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:47:38 +0100 Subject: wanted k3b, kopete In-Reply-To: <200311131132.34033.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311131132.34033.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031113184738.6200a1b5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:32:34 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I hope fedora will soon have k3b again - it was available for the beta. Really? k3b 0.9 is available at http://fedora.us k3b 0.10.2 is available at http://fedora.us/QA -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It may not be correct for downloading test errata; need to fix that in the generator. Bill From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 17:51:42 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:51:42 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: redhat-config-printer-0.6.79.1-1 Message-ID: <20031113175142.GO5686@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2003-011 2003-11-13 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : redhat-config-printer Version : 0.6.79.1 Release : 1 Summary : A printer configuration backend/frontend combination. Description : The printconf utility is a printer configuration and filtration system based on magicfilter (the alchemist data library) and the foomatic filter system. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Nov 13 17:57:44 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:57:44 +0100 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> seth vidal wrote : [...] > I had to make almost no changes to the 0.5.4 spec file. Heh, yeah... the previous spec was awful, but I managed to get a whole bunch of changes accepted before the freeze, thanks to Jonathan :-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 1.63 1.67 1.63 From blizzard at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 18:13:30 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:13:30 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3FB3C9CA.1010108@redhat.com> seth vidal wrote: >Hey, > I posted some rhythmbox 0.6.0 packages the other day to: > >http://linux.duke.edu/~skvidal/RPMS/rhythmbox/ > >Would it be possible for those to be released as bug-fix errata for >0.5.4 > >I know it's not important but it does speed up rhythmbox tremendously. > >I had to make almost no changes to the 0.5.4 spec file. > >-sv > > > Somebody was saying that it had a lot of problems with the gstreamer that was shipped with fedora. Is this actually the case? --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From elliott at wilcoxon.org Thu Nov 13 18:13:25 2003 From: elliott at wilcoxon.org (Elliott Wilcoxon) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:13:25 -0600 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <1068731819.1926.53.camel@pc560.statsbiblioteket.dk> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB388B9.5000006@villagevisions.com> <1068731819.1926.53.camel@pc560.statsbiblioteket.dk> Message-ID: <3FB3C9C5.1030706@wilcoxon.org> Mads Villadsen wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 14:35, Cliff Kent wrote: > >>Now I wish I'd taken better notes. I did an upgrade from RH9 to FC1 >>using yum and it went very smoothly. > > > I did it using apt, taking almost exactly the same steps that you did. > > Ie. changed the sources to point to fedora core 1, and then apt-get > update && apt-get dist-upgrade. > > Afterwards install fedora-release, fedora-logos, rpmdb-fedora, and rhgb. > > That seems to have given me a nice fedora core 1 system. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > . > Mads, did you do the dist-upgrade over the net (i.e. to a repo that wasn't local)? It's not quite clear from your email. I want success stories for that specific case because then in the FAQ that can be added to as options for people with not-so-fast net connections. Elliott Wilcoxon From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 18:15:07 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 13:15:07 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 12:57, Matthias Saou wrote: > seth vidal wrote : > > [...] > > I had to make almost no changes to the 0.5.4 spec file. > > Heh, yeah... the previous spec was awful, but I managed to get a whole > bunch of changes accepted before the freeze, thanks to Jonathan :-) > If I had any spare time, which I don't, I'd love to sit down and look atr the gstreamer-plugins package and fix it. It should be a bunch of packages with %if statements for enabling/disabling mp3 support easily. so you could install gstreamer-plugin-mp3 instead of a whole package replacement. -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 18:24:16 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 13:24:16 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <3FB3C9CA.1010108@redhat.com> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <3FB3C9CA.1010108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068747856.5425.36.camel@opus> > > > > > Somebody was saying that it had a lot of problems with the gstreamer > that was shipped with fedora. Is this actually the case? > I installed it on a stock fc1 machine and it ran just fine. I play oggs on it all day long. hasn't even crashed yet. -sv From michal at harddata.com Thu Nov 13 18:27:43 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:27:43 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: redhat-config-printer-0.6.79.1-1 In-Reply-To: <20031113175142.GO5686@redhat.com>; from twaugh@redhat.com on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 05:51:42PM +0000 References: <20031113175142.GO5686@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031113112743.A17770@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 05:51:42PM +0000, Tim Waugh wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Update Notification Never mind a mixup with paths for vnc but earlier announcement mailed to fedora-test-list had Fedora Test Update Notification in headers. Is this a hiccup or somebody decided to drop it? It was helping in cutting down on a confusion a bit. Otherwise you have to check to which list this was mailed to classify that properly. Michal From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 18:33:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:33:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <1068733541.4963.6.camel@dbxwsd21> from "Will Backman" at Tach 13, 2003 09:25:41 Message-ID: <200311131833.hADIXcw15468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I figure that some of this is due to a lack of leadership structure. > The leadership page is still a draft, mentions an advisory and technical > committee, but has yet to add members or even describe how members are > chosen. Some of it is also that the core stuff is mostly Red Hat maintainers. But that doesn't mean you cant do testing and fix bugs. Often upstream is the better place to fix your bug anyway (so all gnome users get it promptly not just RH ones for example) Fedora.us also needs folks to test/QA the current contributed non core stuff so people can get started. So if there is an app you use and its not critical its perfectly 100% working every day then grab the testing ones and see how they do From katzj at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 17:21:11 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:21:11 -0500 Subject: development channel (ex rawhide) and up2date In-Reply-To: <200311121816.52666.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200311121816.52666.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1068744071.5753.6.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:16, lars wrote: > hello > im trying to update core 1 with the development channel via up2date i get the > message below. > i tried different package selection-combos but still havn't managed it. Yes, rawhide is very much in flux right now -- it's not unexpected (in fact, I'd go so far as to say it's likely) that dependencies are going to break regularly for a while :) Jeremy From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Nov 13 17:22:21 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:22:21 +0000 Subject: xhost not working? In-Reply-To: <200311131158.42081.nbecker@hns.com> References: <20031105190222.13946.27108.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <1068063554.14067.5.camel@death> <200311131158.42081.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200311131722.22086.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 November 2003 16:58, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > You should use ssh anyway. > > It's too slow. Running xemacs client on a cygwin machine, which is very I read an interesting thing somewhere recently -- you can apparently separately configure ssh's bulk encryption from the authentication encryption. There's even the option to go for no encryption for the transport (although I guess you should give up on su in that case). The benefit is that you still have strongly encrypted session authentication, but you can trade off encryption strength against performance for the bulk data. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/s73NjKeDCxMJCTIRAttnAJ9jFCh9YON9wjfVhlVzEsaNwRY7kwCgj9Es H93TfZYn9gtr5pZekOSqXZ0= =O2zs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 18:51:23 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:51:23 -0500 Subject: wanted k3b, kopete In-Reply-To: <20031113184738.6200a1b5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200311131132.34033.nbecker@hns.com> <20031113184738.6200a1b5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200311131351.23267.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 13 November 2003 12:47, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:32:34 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I hope fedora will soon have k3b again - it was available for the beta. > > Really? > > k3b 0.9 is available at http://fedora.us > k3b 0.10.2 is available at http://fedora.us/QA I'm sorry to be dense, but I can't find any k3b at the above url. Could you tell me the complete path? I looked around http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/1/i386/ From thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net Thu Nov 13 18:53:21 2003 From: thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:53:21 +0100 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> seth vidal wrote : > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 12:57, Matthias Saou wrote: > > seth vidal wrote : > > > > [...] > > > I had to make almost no changes to the 0.5.4 spec file. > > > > Heh, yeah... the previous spec was awful, but I managed to get a whole > > bunch of changes accepted before the freeze, thanks to Jonathan :-) > > If I had any spare time, which I don't, I'd love to sit down and look > atr the gstreamer-plugins package and fix it. It should be a bunch of > packages with %if statements for enabling/disabling mp3 support easily. > > so you could install gstreamer-plugin-mp3 instead of a whole package > replacement. Not only mp3, but also flac, alsa and others... I'll try to look into that very soon, as I'm still using rhythmbox with the xine engine myself :-) Maybe my changes to the xmms spec file, if made conditional (trivial) could also be included like the ones to rhythmbox were, as it adds xmms-mp3 and xmms-alsa sub-packages. Hmmm, shouldn't this be discussed on fedora-devel-list though? ;-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.89 1.18 1.14 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 19:01:46 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 14:01:46 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Message-ID: <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> > Not only mp3, but also flac, alsa and others... I'll try to look into that > very soon, as I'm still using rhythmbox with the xine engine myself :-) > Maybe my changes to the xmms spec file, if made conditional (trivial) could > also be included like the ones to rhythmbox were, as it adds xmms-mp3 and > xmms-alsa sub-packages. I know someone will be upset but I'd be more than happy for xmms to die. I used soundjuicer and rhythmbox for a while the other night and I'm a lot happier from an organizational perspective with those two. soundjuicer is so incredibly simple - if it only imported the ripped files immediately into rhythmbox, I'd be incredibly happy :) > > Hmmm, shouldn't this be discussed on fedora-devel-list though? ;-) > probably :) -sv From whb at ceimaine.org Thu Nov 13 18:52:39 2003 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:52:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <200311131833.hADIXcw15468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1068733541.4963.6.camel@dbxwsd21> from "Will Backman" at Tach 13, 2003 09:25:41 <200311131833.hADIXcw15468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5666.216.220.235.15.1068749559.squirrel@mail.ceimaine.org> >> I figure that some of this is due to a lack of leadership structure. >> The leadership page is still a draft, mentions an advisory and >> technical committee, but has yet to add members or even describe how >> members are chosen. > > Some of it is also that the core stuff is mostly Red Hat maintainers. > But that doesn't mean you cant do testing and fix bugs. Often upstream > is the better place to fix your bug anyway (so all gnome users get it > promptly not just RH ones for example) > > Fedora.us also needs folks to test/QA the current contributed non core > stuff so people can get started. So if there is an app you use and its > not critical its perfectly 100% working every day then grab the testing > ones and see how they do > So I guess I'll add to the "community supported" distribution by watching the lists and trying to steer end-user frustration into constructive action. Time to contribute to the FAQ! From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Thu Nov 13 19:19:47 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:47 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3FB3D953.9050100@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 seth vidal wrote: | I know someone will be upset but I'd be more than happy for xmms to die. | I used soundjuicer and rhythmbox for a while the other night and I'm a | lot happier from an organizational perspective with those two. | | soundjuicer is so incredibly simple - if it only imported the ripped | files immediately into rhythmbox, I'd be incredibly happy :) | | Have you looked at the Beep Media Player (aka GTK2+ port of XMMS)? http://linux-media.net/beep/ It's not good at organizing like Rhythmbox, but it does represent a better version of xmms. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/s9lTN50Q8DVvcvkRAsDnAJ4yj94eJ5CvGMrvKa3AwdK7Ga/E7wCeMgjJ ZIQHXPhJZfkEcNoimtXCQhk= =3P3Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Nov 13 18:28:52 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:28:52 +0100 Subject: ETA for Rudi ? Message-ID: <200311131928.52225.terraformers@gmx.net> I have spotted some packages of kde 3.2 beta "Rudi" in the developer channel. (namely kdelibs) is there an eta when the rest of the packages will be released? ...looking foward to my next push ;) lars From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 19:29:12 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 14:29:12 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <3FB3D953.9050100@atl.lmco.com> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> <3FB3D953.9050100@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1068751751.5498.56.camel@opus> > Have you looked at the Beep Media Player (aka GTK2+ port of XMMS)? > > http://linux-media.net/beep/ > > It's not good at organizing like Rhythmbox, but it does represent a > better version of xmms. But that's just it. I don't want a gtk2+ port of xmms. I want something that is more than just what xmms is. Rhythmbox is that thing. -sv From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Nov 13 19:30:23 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:30:23 +0100 Subject: wanted k3b, kopete In-Reply-To: <200311131351.23267.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311131132.34033.nbecker@hns.com> <20031113184738.6200a1b5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <200311131351.23267.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031113203023.26311897.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:51:23 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Thursday 13 November 2003 12:47, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:32:34 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > > I hope fedora will soon have k3b again - it was available for the beta. > > > > Really? > > > > k3b 0.9 is available at http://fedora.us > > k3b 0.10.2 is available at http://fedora.us/QA > > I'm sorry to be dense, but I can't find any k3b at the above url. Could you > tell me the complete path? > > I looked around http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/1/i386/ That repository is not complete yet. Filling it with rebuilt packages is work in progress. k3b 0.9 was approved and published for Fedora Core 0.95, should work, http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/i386/RPMS.testing/ and will be rebuilt for Fedora Core 1. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bcs at metacon.ca Thu Nov 13 19:34:10 2003 From: bcs at metacon.ca (Ben Steeves) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:34:10 -0400 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068747856.5425.36.camel@opus> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <3FB3C9CA.1010108@redhat.com> <1068747856.5425.36.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1068752050.9494.37.camel@zephyr> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 14:24, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > > > > Somebody was saying that it had a lot of problems with the gstreamer > > that was shipped with fedora. Is this actually the case? > > > > I installed it on a stock fc1 machine and it ran just fine. > > I play oggs on it all day long. > > hasn't even crashed yet. Same here, 'tho I do get an annoying dialog which reads "Failed to activate the shell: (null)" every time I start it up. It doesn't seem to have affected it's utility at all though. Rhythmbox will do 'til there's iTunes for Linux :-) -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at unb.ca against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/ascii / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net Thu Nov 13 19:37:55 2003 From: thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:37:55 +0100 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <3FB3D953.9050100@atl.lmco.com> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> <3FB3D953.9050100@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20031113203755.092d7390.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Doug Stewart wrote : > seth vidal wrote: > | I know someone will be upset but I'd be more than happy for xmms to > die.| I used soundjuicer and rhythmbox for a while the other night and > I'm a| lot happier from an organizational perspective with those two. > | > | soundjuicer is so incredibly simple - if it only imported the ripped > | files immediately into rhythmbox, I'd be incredibly happy :) > > Have you looked at the Beep Media Player (aka GTK2+ port of XMMS)? > > http://linux-media.net/beep/ > > It's not good at organizing like Rhythmbox, but it does represent a > better version of xmms. I totally agree regarding xmms... I only use it currently when I need a random play of a bunch of songs, while making sure none are played twice, which rhythmbox doesn't do (and with my luck, I often get the same song played 3 times in a row...). Beep looks nice, I'll definitely try it out. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.20 1.02 1.30 From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 13 19:41:29 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:41:29 -0500 Subject: ETA for Rudi ? In-Reply-To: <200311131928.52225.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200311131928.52225.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200311131441.29921.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 13 November 2003 13:28, lars wrote: > I have spotted some packages of kde 3.2 beta "Rudi" in the developer > channel. (namely kdelibs) > is there an eta when the rest of the packages will be released? > > ...looking foward to my next push ;) > lars > I'd just like to add that I have built kde3.2beta using konstruct on RH9, and it looks really sweet. I'm looking forward to the kde3.2 release. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 19:45:58 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 14:45:58 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068752050.9494.37.camel@zephyr> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <3FB3C9CA.1010108@redhat.com> <1068747856.5425.36.camel@opus> <1068752050.9494.37.camel@zephyr> Message-ID: <1068752758.5425.65.camel@opus> > Same here, 'tho I do get an annoying dialog which reads "Failed to > activate the shell: (null)" every time I start it up. It doesn't seem > to have affected it's utility at all though. > > Rhythmbox will do 'til there's iTunes for Linux :-) closed source software No thanks, I'll continue to use things that are completely free. -sv From reader at newsguy.com Thu Nov 13 19:46:02 2003 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:46:02 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1 In-Reply-To: <20031113174554.GN5686@redhat.com> (Tim Waugh's message of "Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:45:54 +0000") References: <20031113171633.GM5686@redhat.com> <20031113174554.GN5686@redhat.com> Message-ID: Tim Waugh writes: > This update can be downloaded from: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ > grep ^yum /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1 # up2date --list Fetching package list for channel: updates-testing... Fetching http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/headers/header.info... There was a fatal error communicating with the server. The message was: An HTTP error occurred: URL: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/headers/header.info Status Code: 404 Error Message: Not Found Whats wrong in above picture? From saphipps at mchsi.com Thu Nov 13 19:55:02 2003 From: saphipps at mchsi.com (Scott A Phipps) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:55:02 -0600 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <3FB3C9CA.1010108@redhat.com> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <3FB3C9CA.1010108@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068753302.4270.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 12:13, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > >Hey, > > I posted some rhythmbox 0.6.0 packages the other day to: > > > >http://linux.duke.edu/~skvidal/RPMS/rhythmbox/ > > > >Would it be possible for those to be released as bug-fix errata for > >0.5.4 > > > >I know it's not important but it does speed up rhythmbox tremendously. > > > >I had to make almost no changes to the 0.5.4 spec file. > > > >-sv > > > > > > > Somebody was saying that it had a lot of problems with the gstreamer > that was shipped with fedora. Is this actually the case? > > --Chris I recompiled rhythmbox to play mp3's and it had problems with FC1's gstreamer. The biggest thing I saw was that if I selected ESD for gstreamer output, then rhythmbox would not go on to the next song when it got to the end of the one currently playing. From maxx at krakoa.dk Thu Nov 13 20:14:41 2003 From: maxx at krakoa.dk (Mads Villadsen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:14:41 +0100 Subject: Unofficial FAQ In-Reply-To: <3FB3C9C5.1030706@wilcoxon.org> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB388B9.5000006@villagevisions.com> <1068731819.1926.53.camel@pc560.statsbiblioteket.dk> <3FB3C9C5.1030706@wilcoxon.org> Message-ID: <1068754481.5490.5.camel@ice> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 19:13, Elliott Wilcoxon wrote: > Mads, did you do the dist-upgrade over the net (i.e. to a repo that > wasn't local)? It's not quite clear from your email. I want success > stories for that specific case because then in the FAQ that can be added > to as options for people with not-so-fast net connections. I did the upgrade from the fedora.redhat.com repositories. -- Mads Villadsen From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Nov 13 20:52:30 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:52:30 -0700 Subject: work around for kernel panic after install of FC1 on a NEW Sata Seagate drive Message-ID: <002b01c3aa28$0e2279a0$0200000a@frank> I now successfully in part have a dual boot with WinXP Pro and FC1. However with the good comes always some bad. Since this was a NEW drive, I followed esban's work around for getting to first, install FC1 but am having trouble With the reboot, of course I can boot WinXP Pro, but after booting FC1, I get Kernel panic on the root filesystem. Esban's work around is for a upgraded drive, but not a new install. Is there away to manipulate grub such that I can some how do a insmod ft3xx.o (promise 376 driver) And mount the /dev/sda1 to some where? Like have grub root=/my/sata drive? Please help, RaXeT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 20:55:36 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:55:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1 In-Reply-To: References: <20031113171633.GM5686@redhat.com><20031113174554.GN5686@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4340.12.29.16.103.1068756936.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Harry Putnam said: > Tim Waugh writes: > >> This update can be downloaded from: >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ >> > > grep ^yum /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > yum updates-testing > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1 I think you need to add "/i386". There is no "header" directory in /pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1, but there is in /pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/i386. -- William Hooper From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Thu Nov 13 20:57:05 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:57:05 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1 In-Reply-To: References: <20031113171633.GM5686@redhat.com> <20031113174554.GN5686@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031113215705.2cb4fc68.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:46:02 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > grep ^yum /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1 In order to use the yum repository, you need to specify the URL of the directory which contains the `headers' subdirectory, http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/i386/ or you can use the redirection at: http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/testing/fedora-core-1/ --Kai From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 21:15:16 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:15:16 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <20031113203755.092d7390.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net>; from thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:37:55PM +0100 References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> <3FB3D953.9050100@atl.lmco.com> <20031113203755.092d7390.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Message-ID: <20031113161516.E23789@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Matthias Saou (thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net) said: > played 3 times in a row...). Beep looks nice, I'll definitely try it out. When I looked at beep, *all* it was was a straight GTK2 port of the UI; the underlying featureset didn't change. Bill From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 21:15:47 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:15:47 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:01:46PM -0500 References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031113161547.F23789@devserv.devel.redhat.com> seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > soundjuicer is so incredibly simple - if it only imported the ripped > files immediately into rhythmbox, I'd be incredibly happy :) sound-juicer was too simple the last time I looked; the way quality was set was not really logical. Bill From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 21:17:45 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:17:45 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: redhat-config-printer-0.6.79.1-1 In-Reply-To: <20031113112743.A17770@mail.harddata.com>; from michal@harddata.com on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:27:43AM -0700 References: <20031113175142.GO5686@redhat.com> <20031113112743.A17770@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20031113161745.H23789@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Michal Jaegermann (michal at harddata.com) said: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 05:51:42PM +0000, Tim Waugh wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Fedora Update Notification > > Never mind a mixup with paths for vnc but earlier announcement > mailed to fedora-test-list had > > Fedora Test Update Notification > > in headers. Is this a hiccup or somebody decided to drop it? > It was helping in cutting down on a confusion a bit. Otherwise > you have to check to which list this was mailed to classify that > properly. The script that generates these is stupid. It needs to be made less so. todo++ Bill From wrrhdev at riede.org Thu Nov 13 22:11:05 2003 From: wrrhdev at riede.org (Willem Riede) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:11:05 -0500 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <200311122340.hACNemF09933@devserv.devel.redhat.com> (from alan@redhat.com on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 18:40:48 -0500) References: <200311122340.hACNemF09933@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031113221105.GO13753@linnie.riede.org> On 2003.11.12 18:40, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > (1) see a/o http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-scsi&m=104361480527780&w=2 > > Nice. Thats way better than letting the IDE layer time it out as I did Thank, Alan! Do you have any guidance as to what I can do to get ide-scsi resurrected? Regards, Willem Riede. From alan at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 22:38:09 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:38:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <20031113221105.GO13753@linnie.riede.org> from "Willem Riede" at Tach 13, 2003 05:11:05 Message-ID: <200311132238.hADMc9J30475@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On 2003.11.12 18:40, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > > > (1) see a/o http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-scsi&m=104361480527780&w=2 > > > > Nice. Thats way better than letting the IDE layer time it out as I did > > Thank, Alan! Do you have any guidance as to what I can do to get ide-scsi resurrected? I guess submit the patch a few times. It'll get picked up in the end, even if the distor folks do it. Certainly make sure arjan knows about it as the plan is for Fedora 2 to have 2.6.x, and we know that is likely to need a lot of "escaped" patches sweeping up From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Nov 13 22:49:14 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 13 Nov 2003 17:49:14 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <20031113161547.F23789@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> <20031113161547.F23789@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068763754.7356.56.camel@opus> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 16:15, Bill Nottingham wrote: > seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > soundjuicer is so incredibly simple - if it only imported the ripped > > files immediately into rhythmbox, I'd be incredibly happy :) > > sound-juicer was too simple the last time I looked; the way > quality was set was not really logical. quality is a reasonable default (192bit vbr) and is settable in gconf-editor using oggenc's quality levels iirc -sv From xose at wanadoo.es Thu Nov 13 23:00:27 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:00:27 +0100 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? References: <200311132238.hADMc9J30475@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FB40D0B.7000708@wanadoo.es> Alan Cox wrote: > I guess submit the patch a few times. It'll get picked up in the end, even > if the distor folks do it. Certainly make sure arjan knows about it as > the plan is for Fedora 2 to have 2.6.x, and we know that is likely to need > a lot of "escaped" patches sweeping up I hope to see a 2.4.x kernel in FC2 _too_. Otherwise it will be a lame distribution. -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From cmadams at hiwaay.net Thu Nov 13 23:08:13 2003 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:08:13 -0600 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <3FB40D0B.7000708@wanadoo.es> References: <200311132238.hADMc9J30475@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FB40D0B.7000708@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20031113230813.GF968812@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, Xose Vazquez Perez said: > I hope to see a 2.4.x kernel in FC2 _too_. Otherwise it will be a lame > distribution. What would be lame about not including an old kernel? Including multiple kernel versions (especially from different major release trains) greatly increases complexity for very little gain. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From katzj at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 23:14:01 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:14:01 -0500 Subject: Why is ide-scsi not provided in Arjan's 2.6 kernel? In-Reply-To: <3FB40D0B.7000708@wanadoo.es> References: <200311132238.hADMc9J30475@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3FB40D0B.7000708@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <1068765241.5753.249.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 18:00, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > > I guess submit the patch a few times. It'll get picked up in the end, even > > if the distor folks do it. Certainly make sure arjan knows about it as > > the plan is for Fedora 2 to have 2.6.x, and we know that is likely to need > > a lot of "escaped" patches sweeping up > > I hope to see a 2.4.x kernel in FC2 _too_. Otherwise it will be a lame > distribution. As was already discussed elsewhere (and this is entirely the wrong list at this point ;-), it is impossible to take advantage of all of the benefits that you get with 2.6 and still leave a 2.4.x kernel. Not to mention the question of how do you present this to the user. The right answer is to get 2.6.x to where it doesn't cause FC2 to be "a lame distribution" by getting it tested and stabilized :-) Cheers, Jeremy From linuxnow at newtral.org Thu Nov 13 23:19:26 2003 From: linuxnow at newtral.org (Pau Aliagas) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:19:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068753302.4270.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Scott A Phipps wrote: > I recompiled rhythmbox to play mp3's and it had problems with FC1's > gstreamer. The biggest thing I saw was that if I selected ESD for > gstreamer output, then rhythmbox would not go on to the next song when > it got to the end of the one currently playing. I had almost given up on using it because I could not find the reason of this behaviour. Changing it to OSS make the songs play one after the other. Is this bug fixed? Should we move to the next gstreamer release (0.64)? Thanks Pau From notting at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 23:31:50 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:31:50 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <1068763754.7356.56.camel@opus>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 05:49:14PM -0500 References: <1068737544.4082.58.camel@opus> <20031113185744.62dd4f87.matthias@rpmforge.net> <1068747307.5425.30.camel@opus> <20031113195321.17aa44a4.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> <1068750105.5425.51.camel@opus> <20031113161547.F23789@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1068763754.7356.56.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20031113183150.A25399@devserv.devel.redhat.com> seth vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu) said: > > sound-juicer was too simple the last time I looked; the way > > quality was set was not really logical. > > quality is a reasonable default (192bit vbr) and is settable in > gconf-editor using oggenc's quality levels iirc When I looked at the patch, quality was set either 1-4 or 0-4, which corresponded somewhat randomly to vorbis' quality level. Oh, and anything like that shouldn't be only exposed through gconf-editor. There was also the issue of it randomly not encoding things; that might be fixed in the new version, though. Bill From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Thu Nov 13 23:34:40 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:34:40 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1 Message-ID: EDIT THE /ect/sysconfig/rhn/source file scrol down to the directive yum updates-testing and uncomment it then run up2date >From: Harry Putnam >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: Fedora Core 1 Update: vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1 >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:46:02 -0600 > >Tim Waugh writes: > > > This update can be downloaded from: > > >http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ > > > >grep ^yum /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources >yum updates-testing >http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1 > ># up2date --list > >Fetching package list for channel: updates-testing... > >Fetching >http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/headers/header.info... >There was a fatal error communicating with the server. The message was: > >An HTTP error occurred: >URL: >http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/headers/header.info >Status Code: 404 >Error Message: Not Found > > >Whats wrong in above picture? > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From rnix at prometheon.net Wed Nov 12 04:33:07 2003 From: rnix at prometheon.net (Ryan Nix) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:33:07 -0600 Subject: Realplayer segfault on Fedora Core 1 Message-ID: <1068611585.6575.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does Realplayer 8 work for anyone else one FC1? I keep getting a seg fault after setup. From yinyang at eburg.com Fri Nov 14 00:22:49 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:22:49 -0800 Subject: Xserver --nolisten tcp by default? In-Reply-To: <200311121508.35453.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311121508.35453.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FB42059.1040508@eburg.com> Neal D. Becker wrote: > It seems that fedora1 changed the Xserver to start with --nolisten tcp by > default. That's an important change! I didn't notice this in the release > notes! It probably should have been mentioned in the release notes, since it's a HUGE security improvement. The X server runs as root, so listening on TCP is and always has been an extremely dangerous practice. It's probably been the biggest security hole in the default workstation install for a long long time. > How to I overide it? You can look at /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and change the value of DisallowTCP, or you can use ssh with X11 forwarding. Two points if you guess which is recommended. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 00:43:08 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:43:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Realplayer segfault on Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <1068611585.6575.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068611585.6575.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64539.69.68.37.57.1068770588.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Ryan Nix said: > Does Realplayer 8 work for anyone else one FC1? I keep getting a seg > fault after setup. Since this has nothing to do with testing, you will get a better response in fedora-list. As a matter of fact if you search the archives for fedora-list I think it has been answered. -- William Hooper From jrmizell at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 00:51:26 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:51:26 -0600 Subject: Realplayer segfault on Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <64539.69.68.37.57.1068770588.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <1068611585.6575.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64539.69.68.37.57.1068770588.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <1068771086.5705.0.camel@supernova> This should go into the faqs. The faqs should be posted on the Fedora site as well. On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 18:43, William Hooper wrote: > Ryan Nix said: > > Does Realplayer 8 work for anyone else one FC1? I keep getting a seg > > fault after setup. > > Since this has nothing to do with testing, you will get a better response > in fedora-list. > > As a matter of fact if you search the archives for fedora-list I think it > has been answered. -- John Mizell From jrmizell at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 00:54:25 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:54:25 -0600 Subject: Realplayer segfault on Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <64539.69.68.37.57.1068770588.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <1068611585.6575.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64539.69.68.37.57.1068770588.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <1068771265.5705.2.camel@supernova> Here is what will solve your problem: on the command line type this: env LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 realplay On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 18:43, William Hooper wrote: > Ryan Nix said: > > Does Realplayer 8 work for anyone else one FC1? I keep getting a seg > > fault after setup. > > Since this has nothing to do with testing, you will get a better response > in fedora-list. > > As a matter of fact if you search the archives for fedora-list I think it > has been answered. -- John Mizell From nbirchler at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 01:54:16 2003 From: nbirchler at earthlink.net (Neil Birchler) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:54:16 -0600 Subject: Mouse redetected In-Reply-To: <1067623087.7542.7.camel@ripley> References: <1067623087.7542.7.camel@ripley> Message-ID: <1068774855.5893.1.camel@tower.steins.net> you just have to configure X to recognize both devices as valid input. if you RTFM the X documentation (man page for XF86Config would work) you can find info in the pointer section. make sure you have both devices in there and everything should be hunky-dory. neil From zimhat at foou.net Fri Nov 14 01:59:29 2003 From: zimhat at foou.net (Law Horne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:59:29 -0500 Subject: rhythmbox packages Message-ID: <3FB43701.1040506@foou.net> Matthias wrote: >Not only mp3, but also flac, alsa and others... I'll try to look into that >very soon, as I'm still using rhythmbox with the xine engine myself > Rhythmbox with xine. I have seen this at rhythmbox's site but I could never compile it right(mainly because I suck at compiling and never took the time to get it right, and then discover dag's rpm :) ). But I was wondering did you compile this just for yourself? Or is there a rpm? I only know of dags and his uses gstreamer. From kevin at loose-screws.com Fri Nov 14 02:52:18 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:52:18 +0800 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FB44362.20405@loose-screws.com> this is a bug iirc. it is being fixed for the next release i think. try locating RPMs for the latest version ( it was released 2 weeks ago? And it prolly has MP3 etc. ). -- Kevin Francis Pau Aliagas wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Scott A Phipps wrote: > > >>I recompiled rhythmbox to play mp3's and it had problems with FC1's >>gstreamer. The biggest thing I saw was that if I selected ESD for >>gstreamer output, then rhythmbox would not go on to the next song when >>it got to the end of the one currently playing. > > > I had almost given up on using it because I could not find the reason of > this behaviour. Changing it to OSS make the songs play one after the > other. > > Is this bug fixed? Should we move to the next gstreamer release (0.64)? > > Thanks > Pau > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kevin at loose-screws.com Fri Nov 14 02:55:28 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:55:28 +0800 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <200311131833.hADIXcw15468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311131833.hADIXcw15468@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3FB44420.4050908@loose-screws.com> that's a good suggestion for people like me - that want to help, but aren't part of anything. *goes and starts downloading srpms for QA. -- Kevin Francis Alan Cox wrote: >>I figure that some of this is due to a lack of leadership structure. >>The leadership page is still a draft, mentions an advisory and technical >>committee, but has yet to add members or even describe how members are >>chosen. > > > Some of it is also that the core stuff is mostly Red Hat maintainers. But > that doesn't mean you cant do testing and fix bugs. Often upstream is > the better place to fix your bug anyway (so all gnome users get it > promptly not just RH ones for example) > > Fedora.us also needs folks to test/QA the current contributed non core > stuff so people can get started. So if there is an app you use and its > not critical its perfectly 100% working every day then grab the testing ones > and see how they do > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From maxka at myrealbox.com Fri Nov 14 04:26:24 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:26:24 -0800 Subject: Apt and Yum Upgrades (WAS Re: Unofficial FAQ) In-Reply-To: <3FB39625.4030805@villagevisions.com> References: <1068544462.3296.26.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB29BDC.2060006@wilcoxon.org> <1068706023.5989.18.camel@max.localdomain> <3FB388B9.5000006@villagevisions.com> <1068731819.1926.53.camel@pc560.statsbiblioteket.dk> <3FB39625.4030805@villagevisions.com> Message-ID: <1068783983.4998.54.camel@max.localdomain> Hey, could you guys who posted those answers to the upgrading with yum and apt put them in the FAQ Forum in a 1,2,3 sort of format? Then I could link to them from the FAQ. -M From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 14 05:23:17 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:23:17 -0500 Subject: php updates in testing Message-ID: <1068787396.7196.162.camel@binkley> Yo, What's the story on the php updates in testing? I didn't see that announce go across the list. Would it be worthwhile to have these announcements for testing notices get queued up on a webpage at the same time they're posted to this list? I don't just mean the archives, either. -sv From jimhayward at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 06:00:07 2003 From: jimhayward at earthlink.net (Jim Hayward) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:00:07 -0800 Subject: php updates in testing In-Reply-To: <1068787396.7196.162.camel@binkley> References: <1068787396.7196.162.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1068789607.694.20.camel@garfield.linux.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 21:23, seth vidal wrote: > What's the story on the php updates in testing? I installed it along with the httpd 2.0.48 update and it passes the "does it run at all" test. ;-) >From the changelog it appears just to be an update because it is a new upstream release. * Mon Nov 10 2003 Joe Orton 4.3.4-1.1 - rebuild for FC1 updates * Mon Nov 10 2003 Joe Orton 4.3.4-1 - update to 4.3.4 - include all licence files - libxmlrpc fixes > I didn't see that announce go across the list. I don't think it was announced on the list. Regards, Jim H From nbecker at hns.com Fri Nov 14 13:55:00 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:55:00 -0500 Subject: konsole_grantpty should be suid root? Message-ID: <200311140855.00363.nbecker@hns.com> >From .xsession-errors: konsole: cannot chown /dev/pts/1. Reason: Operation not permitted konsole_grantpty not installed root-suid konsole: chownpty failed for device /dev/pts/1::/dev/pts/1. : This means the session can be eavesdroped. : Make sure konsole_grantpty is installed in : /usr/bin/ and setuid root. From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Fri Nov 14 14:11:36 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:11:36 +0100 Subject: konsole_grantpty should be suid root? In-Reply-To: <200311140855.00363.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311140855.00363.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1068819095.26316.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 14:55, Neal D. Becker wrote: > >From .xsession-errors: > > konsole: cannot chown /dev/pts/1. > Reason: Operation not permitted > konsole_grantpty not installed root-suid > konsole: chownpty failed for device /dev/pts/1::/dev/pts/1. > : This means the session can be eavesdroped. > : Make sure konsole_grantpty is installed in > : /usr/bin/ and setuid root. I noticed this in the past, but set-suid-ing konsole_grantpty didn't stop the error message from appearing on .xsession-errors for me. From orzechowskip at prokom.pl Fri Nov 14 16:32:57 2003 From: orzechowskip at prokom.pl (=?utf-8?q?Pawe=C5=82=20Orzechowski?=) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:32:57 +0100 Subject: wine security-patched kernel ? Message-ID: <200311141732.57582.orzechowskip@prokom.pl> Hello, I have the same problem running following command: ./scguiw32.exe -- -express:10.47.0.55.12670 err:virtual:map_image Standard load address for a Win32 program (0x00400000) not available - security-patched kernel ? wine: could not load L"C:\\Program Files\\System ServiceCenter5\\RUN\\scguiw32.exe" as Win32 binary I have tried any of the followong and it did not help: setarch i386 wine scguiw32.exe echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 I have fedora core 1, oanother wine applications (Lotus Notes) starts witout problem. Any suggestions? Regards Pawel From thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net Fri Nov 14 16:41:19 2003 From: thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:41:19 +0100 Subject: rhythmbox packages In-Reply-To: <3FB43701.1040506@foou.net> References: <3FB43701.1040506@foou.net> Message-ID: <20031114174119.14d86e79.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> Law Horne wrote : > Matthias wrote: > > >Not only mp3, but also flac, alsa and others... I'll try to look into > >that very soon, as I'm still using rhythmbox with the xine engine myself > > Rhythmbox with xine. I have seen this at rhythmbox's site but I could > never compile it right(mainly because I suck at compiling and never took > the time to get it right, and then discover dag's rpm :) ). But I was > wondering did you compile this just for yourself? Or is there a rpm? I > only know of dags and his uses gstreamer. Here they are, both 0.6.0 built with vorbis, mp3 and flac support, one with the gstreamer backend and the other with the xine one : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/testing/1/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 1.35 1.26 1.15 From notting at redhat.com Fri Nov 14 16:45:20 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:45:20 -0500 Subject: konsole_grantpty should be suid root? In-Reply-To: <200311140855.00363.nbecker@hns.com>; from nbecker@hns.com on Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:55:00AM -0500 References: <200311140855.00363.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031114114520.C4551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Neal D. Becker (nbecker at hns.com) said: > >From .xsession-errors: > > konsole: cannot chown /dev/pts/1. > Reason: Operation not permitted > konsole_grantpty not installed root-suid > konsole: chownpty failed for device /dev/pts/1::/dev/pts/1. > : This means the session can be eavesdroped. > : Make sure konsole_grantpty is installed in > : /usr/bin/ and setuid root. Um, no. /dev/pts/ are already created with the users' own ownership; this isn't a necessary step. Bill From nbecker at hns.com Fri Nov 14 16:50:29 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:50:29 -0500 Subject: 2 yum problems Message-ID: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> I encountered 2 problems with yum today: 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I still need to keep kernel-source-2.4 around. 2) I couldn't find any way to convince yum to reinstall kernel-source-2.4: yum install kernel-source-2.4.22 Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: arjanv Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) Server: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) updates Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) Server: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 1 Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Cannot find a package matching kernel-source-2.4.22 yum install kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl.i386 Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) Server: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) updates Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) Server: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 1 Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Cannot find a package matching kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Nov 14 17:30:14 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 14 Nov 2003 12:30:14 -0500 Subject: 2 yum problems In-Reply-To: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1068831014.17797.11.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 11:50, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I encountered 2 problems with yum today: > > 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I still need to > keep kernel-source-2.4 around. > that surprises me. did you modify the installonlypkgs option in [main]? > 2) I couldn't find any way to convince yum to reinstall kernel-source-2.4: > yum install kernel-source-2.4.22 > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: arjanv > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) updates > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) > Server: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 1 > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Cannot find a package matching kernel-source-2.4.22 yah - this is a known issue - yum won't install older files than most current. -sv From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Nov 14 17:33:37 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:33:37 +0100 Subject: 2 yum problems In-Reply-To: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031114183337.06e60269.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:50:29 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I encountered 2 problems with yum today: > > 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I still need to > keep kernel-source-2.4 around. > > 2) I couldn't find any way to convince yum to reinstall kernel-source-2.4: > yum install kernel-source-2.4.22 yum install kernel-source -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is no "header" directory in > /pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1, but there is in > /pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/i386. Seems to be something more wrong: # up2date --list Fetching package list for channel: updates-testing... Fetching http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/i386/headers/header.info... There was some sort of I/O error: From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Nov 14 18:31:28 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:31:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora Test Update Notification: Mozilla Message-ID: <3FB51F80.1000209@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-013 2003-11-14 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : mozilla Version : 1.4.1 Release : 18 Summary : Web browser and mail reader Description : Mozilla is an open-source web browser, designed for standards compliance, performance and portability. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update fixes an issue where Mozilla will crash when visiting sites that include Japanese text. In Fedora Core 1 when the ttfonts-ja package is upgraded it leaves behind a font cache file that includes references to fonts that don't exist. Mozilla would read this file and attempt to open the font file. If the font file didn't exist or was unreadable, Mozilla would crash. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Thu Nov 13 2003 Christopher Blizzard 37:1.4.1-18 - Include patch that fixes crashing problems with fonts that can't be read --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/mozilla-1.4.1-18.src.rpm md5 sum: d7955cb995f8c072fbae6af63bf161fc i386/mozilla-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 3d400d8bffadd9961dabe32b24dd0d87 i386/mozilla-nspr-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 36ae14df2a69080e61f3bc0aa755386a i386/mozilla-nspr-devel-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 48caf99a6f566a5f6e5c5210eef22330 i386/mozilla-nss-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: a059b794c70d7e5a03767a3cb8a7fd70 i386/mozilla-nss-devel-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 6bd546e463fe65210ae1f862a5f8b7c9 i386/mozilla-devel-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 98bb9574eefa33c30638661291245432 i386/mozilla-mail-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 991be1a72cf7f51d76cd0da710c247f8 i386/mozilla-chat-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: ab93a8d0e09fae0ee81a5fb863a4da93 i386/mozilla-js-debugger-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 6bff65b258914e8ae0dbacad88ffe4a8 i386/mozilla-dom-inspector-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 93e69e8444cec4384ad756653aa6a757 i386/debug/mozilla-debuginfo-1.4.1-18.i386.rpm md5 sum: 6fe7af5eb352c3c8d2f38975acb383b9 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From nbecker at hns.com Fri Nov 14 18:34:09 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:34:09 -0500 Subject: 2 yum problems In-Reply-To: <1068831014.17797.11.camel@opus> References: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> <1068831014.17797.11.camel@opus> Message-ID: <200311141334.09528.nbecker@hns.com> On Friday 14 November 2003 12:30, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 11:50, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I encountered 2 problems with yum today: > > > > 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I still > > need to keep kernel-source-2.4 around. > > that surprises me. did you modify the installonlypkgs option in [main]? > No, the only option I changed (in yum.conf) was exactarch=0 which I needed so that 2.6 kernel could install (since I am on athlon, and there is no 2.6 athlon kernel) From nbecker at hns.com Fri Nov 14 18:37:42 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:37:42 -0500 Subject: 2 yum problems In-Reply-To: <20031114183337.06e60269.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> <20031114183337.06e60269.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200311141337.42370.nbecker@hns.com> On Friday 14 November 2003 12:33, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:50:29 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I encountered 2 problems with yum today: > > > > 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I still > > need to keep kernel-source-2.4 around. > > > > 2) I couldn't find any way to convince yum to reinstall > > kernel-source-2.4: yum install kernel-source-2.4.22 > > yum install kernel-source No, I'm pretty sure I tried that. Why would it work? I already have kernel-source-2.6 installed. How would it know I wanted 2.4.22? From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Nov 14 19:14:33 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:14:33 -0500 Subject: what is the appropriate list? Message-ID: <200311141414.33108.elwoo@videotron.ca> YES, I know I am cross-posting to the lists. But I can't seem to find a clear answer on either one. QUESTION: If there is an outstanding bug from Severn / Fedora Core which is still in Fedora Core Release 1 (Yarrow), *which* is the list where one may comment on such a bug? NOTE: I am NOT referring to a "new" bug, but an unresloved one. respectfully, Elton Woo. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 19:34:50 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:34:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: vnc-4.0-0.beta4.3.1 In-Reply-To: References: <20031113171633.GM5686@redhat.com><20031113174554.GN5686@redhat.com> <4340.12.29.16.103.1068756936.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <3536.12.29.16.103.1068838490.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Harry Putnam said: > Seems to be something more wrong: > # up2date --list > > Fetching package list for channel: updates-testing... > > Fetching > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/i386/headers/header.info... > There was some sort of I/O error: out')> I just tried getting there with Mozilla and it works for me. Maybe you are having an Internet connectivity issue? -- William Hooper From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Nov 14 20:01:52 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:01:52 +0100 Subject: 2 yum problems In-Reply-To: <200311141337.42370.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> <20031114183337.06e60269.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <200311141337.42370.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031114210152.27d3ab95.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:37:42 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Friday 14 November 2003 12:33, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:50:29 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > > I encountered 2 problems with yum today: > > > > > > 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I still > > > need to keep kernel-source-2.4 around. > > > > > > 2) I couldn't find any way to convince yum to reinstall > > > kernel-source-2.4: yum install kernel-source-2.4.22 > > > > yum install kernel-source > > No, I'm pretty sure I tried that. Why would it work? I already have > kernel-source-2.6 installed. How would it know I wanted 2.4.22? I didn't read your message correctly and misinterpreted your attempts at installing kernel-source packages. Has the "yum install kernel-source-2.4.22" syntax ever worked for you to install a specific package version?? -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think Red Hat had a problem for a little bit, but it is better now. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From nbecker at hns.com Fri Nov 14 20:20:09 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:20:09 -0500 Subject: 2 yum problems In-Reply-To: <20031114210152.27d3ab95.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> <200311141337.42370.nbecker@hns.com> <20031114210152.27d3ab95.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200311141520.09820.nbecker@hns.com> On Friday 14 November 2003 15:01, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:37:42 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > On Friday 14 November 2003 12:33, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:50:29 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > > > I encountered 2 problems with yum today: > > > > > > > > 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I > > > > still need to keep kernel-source-2.4 around. > > > > > > > > 2) I couldn't find any way to convince yum to reinstall > > > > kernel-source-2.4: yum install kernel-source-2.4.22 > > > > > > yum install kernel-source > > > > No, I'm pretty sure I tried that. Why would it work? I already have > > kernel-source-2.6 installed. How would it know I wanted 2.4.22? > > I didn't read your message correctly and misinterpreted your > attempts at installing kernel-source packages. > > Has the "yum install kernel-source-2.4.22" syntax ever worked for you > to install a specific package version?? I don't think I ever tried it. From elliott at wilcoxon.org Fri Nov 14 20:34:49 2003 From: elliott at wilcoxon.org (Elliott Wilcoxon) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:34:49 -0600 Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: <200311141414.33108.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311141414.33108.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3FB53C69.6080704@wilcoxon.org> Umm, bugzilla? Elliott Wilcoxon Elton Woo wrote: > YES, I know I am cross-posting to the lists. But I can't seem to > find a clear answer on either one. > QUESTION: If there is an outstanding bug from Severn / Fedora Core > which is still in Fedora Core Release 1 (Yarrow), *which* is the list > where one may comment on such a bug? > NOTE: I am NOT referring to a "new" bug, but an unresloved one. > > respectfully, > > Elton Woo. > From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Nov 14 20:36:58 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 14 Nov 2003 18:36:58 -0200 Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: <200311141414.33108.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200311141414.33108.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Nov 14, 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > QUESTION: If there is an outstanding bug from Severn / Fedora Core > which is still in Fedora Core Release 1 (Yarrow), *which* is the list > where one may comment on such a bug? My personal opinion: Depending on what kind of comment, bugzilla would be the best place for it. Failing that, since the bug is in a stable release, and there isn't a test release for release 2 yet, fedora-list would be it. fedora-test-list is for discussion on testing of releases and updates. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From dgenn at rogers.com Fri Nov 14 20:47:58 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:47:58 -0500 Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: <3FB53C69.6080704@wilcoxon.org> Message-ID: <20031114204754.JVEG406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Yes that is true, that is where bugs should be posted. However to defend Elton it was for an outstanding bug. I too have an outstanding bug with Kudzu and my 3c905 card not initializing at boot time (can you say NO Network connectivity!) that has been around since Fedora Test 1 (yes I have made numerous bug reports to bugzilla :-)). This bug also affects RHEL 3 and you would think it would have been resolved by now given it affects the Enterprise product as well. However no luck of that happening yet.... so he probably wants a list more available to discussion and to more users in case someone has more info for him on his bug from experience. Many people have workarounds and find fixes that are not posted to bugzilla. Dan -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Elliott Wilcoxon Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:35 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Cc: fedora-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: what is the appropriate list? Umm, bugzilla? Elliott Wilcoxon Elton Woo wrote: > YES, I know I am cross-posting to the lists. But I can't seem to > find a clear answer on either one. > QUESTION: If there is an outstanding bug from Severn / Fedora Core > which is still in Fedora Core Release 1 (Yarrow), *which* is the list > where one may comment on such a bug? > NOTE: I am NOT referring to a "new" bug, but an unresloved one. > > respectfully, > > Elton Woo. > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Nov 14 20:57:02 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:57:02 -0500 Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: References: <200311141414.33108.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200311141557.02348.elwoo@videotron.ca> On November 14, 2003 03:36 pm, Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 14, 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > > QUESTION: If there is an outstanding bug from Severn / Fedora Core > > which is still in Fedora Core Release 1 (Yarrow), *which* is the list > > where one may comment on such a bug? > > My personal opinion: > > Depending on what kind of comment, bugzilla would be the best place > for it. Failing that, since the bug is in a stable release, and there > isn't a test release for release 2 yet, fedora-list would be it. > fedora-test-list is for discussion on testing of releases and > updates. Ok. Understood. I was hoping for a response from a Red Hatter (official or otherwise). In that case, I can't contribute to *this* list, so I will usubscribe here, and post to fedora-list (which has quite heavy traffic, though... So it's goodbye to fedora-test, until the next beta. Thanks to all for their help (and their patience with me...) Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 21:05:17 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:05:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: <20031114204754.JVEG406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pi ttlandctr8at> References: <3FB53C69.6080704@wilcoxon.org> <20031114204754.JVEG406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <1353.12.29.16.103.1068843917.squirrel@12.29.16.103> DanG said: > Yes that is true, that is where bugs should be posted. However to defend > Elton it was for an outstanding bug. I too have an outstanding bug with > Kudzu and my 3c905 card not initializing at boot time (can you say NO > Network connectivity!) that has been around since Fedora Test 1 (yes I > have > made numerous bug reports to bugzilla :-)). Most likely hard to pin down. My 3c905 (b or c) seems to work fine. [snip] > Many people have > workarounds and find fixes that are not posted to bugzilla. "If it's not in bugzilla, it doesn't exist." The point is those workarounds and fixes should be going in bugzilla. -- William Hooper From elliott at wilcoxon.org Fri Nov 14 22:41:25 2003 From: elliott at wilcoxon.org (Elliott Wilcoxon) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:41:25 -0600 Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: <20031114204754.JVEG406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031114204754.JVEG406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <3FB55A15.1080903@wilcoxon.org> DanG wrote: > Yes that is true, that is where bugs should be posted. However to defend > Elton it was for an outstanding bug. .... > so he probably wants a list more available to discussion and to more > users in case someone has more info for him on his bug from experience. ... > Many people have workarounds and find fixes that are not posted to bugzilla. Elton's just been posting outstanding bugs to the lists. No workarounds or fixes, just statements that they exist. That's what Bugzilla's for. The people who need to know already know, so there's little point in his postings. From veillard at redhat.com Fri Nov 14 23:46:14 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:46:14 -0500 Subject: Availability of a rhn-applet update for testing Message-ID: <20031114184614.G7998@redhat.com> The release 2.1.4 of rhn-applet fixes some problems making rhn-applet nearly unusable on a default Fedora Core 1 setup: - pop-up dialog asking for registration to RHN - failure to handle HTTP(S) redirect on YUM sources - failure to handle file:/// based YUM sources Related bugs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108737 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109502 The new version has been tested successfully by a couple of people but more testing is needed. This should hit the fedora test channel soon and for the impatients there is version at: http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/testing/FC1/i386/rhn-applet/2.1.4/ signed with my key. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com Sat Nov 15 00:33:33 2003 From: tmwg-fedorat at inxservices.com (George Garvey) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:33:33 -0800 Subject: Confused about where to provide feedback on testing RPMs Message-ID: <20031115003333.GB16707@inxservices.com> I'd appreciate a URL where I can report a problem with something being tested. From iainr at zathras.org Sat Nov 15 01:13:53 2003 From: iainr at zathras.org (Iain Rae) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:13:53 +0000 Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: <1353.12.29.16.103.1068843917.squirrel@12.29.16.103> References: <3FB53C69.6080704@wilcoxon.org> <20031114204754.JVEG406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <1353.12.29.16.103.1068843917.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Message-ID: <3FB57DD1.1060804@zathras.org> William Hooper wrote: >DanG said: > > >>Yes that is true, that is where bugs should be posted. However to defend >>Elton it was for an outstanding bug. I too have an outstanding bug with >>Kudzu and my 3c905 card not initializing at boot time (can you say NO >>Network connectivity!) that has been around since Fedora Test 1 (yes I >>have >>made numerous bug reports to bugzilla :-)). >> >> > >Most likely hard to pin down. My 3c905 (b or c) seems to work fine. > > it seems to be specific to the original 905 (tried 3 all have the same problem), 905b in the same machine works fine. It seems that kudzu triggers it when it probes the card before the module has loaded. >[snip] > > >>Many people have >>workarounds and find fixes that are not posted to bugzilla. >> >> > >"If it's not in bugzilla, it doesn't exist." The point is those >workarounds and fixes should be going in bugzilla. > > > From dgenn at rogers.com Sat Nov 15 01:59:14 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:59:14 -0500 Subject: what is the appropriate list? In-Reply-To: <3FB57DD1.1060804@zathras.org> Message-ID: <20031115015842.NVXT489038.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Yes that is the problem and it affects only the original 3c905 cards. I am currently running the system with Kudzu off for runlevels 345 so the card initializes. It's been posted for some time now by myself and others throughout the test cycle. I only wish given all the feedback we have given that by now it would have been resolved. Oh well we will play the wait and see bugzilla game for now :-). -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Iain Rae Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:14 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: what is the appropriate list? William Hooper wrote: >DanG said: > > >>Yes that is true, that is where bugs should be posted. However to defend >>Elton it was for an outstanding bug. I too have an outstanding bug with >>Kudzu and my 3c905 card not initializing at boot time (can you say NO >>Network connectivity!) that has been around since Fedora Test 1 (yes I >>have >>made numerous bug reports to bugzilla :-)). >> >> > >Most likely hard to pin down. My 3c905 (b or c) seems to work fine. > > it seems to be specific to the original 905 (tried 3 all have the same problem), 905b in the same machine works fine. It seems that kudzu triggers it when it probes the card before the module has loaded. >[snip] > > >>Many people have >>workarounds and find fixes that are not posted to bugzilla. >> >> > >"If it's not in bugzilla, it doesn't exist." The point is those >workarounds and fixes should be going in bugzilla. > > > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dgenn at rogers.com Sat Nov 15 04:27:40 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:27:40 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? Message-ID: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Hi folks, Can I get some people's recommendations on PCI/PNP network cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora :-). Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Nov 15 04:46:17 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:46:17 +0100 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <3FB5AF99.7010904@wanadoo.es> DanG wrote: > Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network > cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 > eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about ^^^^^ Intel 100 are very good NICs, but better with _e100_ driver. > D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for > 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards > which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. A RealTek RTL-8139C+ clone is cheaper. But it must be C+, only _8139_ are shit. The driver is 8139cp. A very cheap Gb NIC is Netgear GA302T, tg3 driver. But if you have a problem with a 905, better send a report to bugzilla or to netdev at oss.sgi.com(net devices Linux ml) -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From ruinaudio at comcast.net Sat Nov 15 05:24:59 2003 From: ruinaudio at comcast.net (Ryan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:24:59 -0600 Subject: very very frustrated with up2date/fedora problems In-Reply-To: <3FB5AF99.7010904@wanadoo.es> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <3FB5AF99.7010904@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3FB5B8AB.3090205@comcast.net> Hi list, I added the updates directory to my /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file. Ran up2date (went smoothly) rebooted my computer and; -gdm won't work "Can't recognize image format png" -evolution won't launch "GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders: No such file or directory" -desktop icons and menu icons are all red "X's" I remember this happened once before but I don't remember the fix. Why oh why is running up2date a nail biting experience? How can updating fedora result in an unusable system so frequently? As far as I know up2date didn't uninstall anything. The following image libraries are installed... libpng-1.2.2-17 libpng10-devel-1.0.13-9 libpng-devel-1.2.2-17 libpng10-1.0.13-9 gtk2-2.2.4-5.1 pygtk2-2.0.0-1 gtk2-engines-2.2.0-3 gtk2-devel-2.2.4-5.1 libjpeg-6b-29 libjpeg-devel-6b-29 ImageMagick-5.5.6-5 Any thoughts on how I can un-break fedora? Btw, kde seems to be working ok though. help appreciated, -ry From warren at togami.com Sat Nov 15 06:28:40 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:28:40 -1000 Subject: Fedora Test Update Notification: Mozilla In-Reply-To: <3FB51F80.1000209@redhat.com> References: <3FB51F80.1000209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1068877719.4379.2.camel@laptop> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171509 Hi Chris, Could we please apply this patch before we push out this Mozilla update? I would really appreciate because it solves a too common headache for my K12LTSP deployments here in Hawaii. Thanks, Warren Togami warren at togami.com From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Sat Nov 15 11:24:15 2003 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:24:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, DanG wrote: > Can I get some people's recommendations on PCI/PNP network cards >that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro based >cards are good but are a little more costly. What about D-Link, Realtek, >Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for 10/100 Mbit cards. Do >not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards which is the cause of my >headaches currently with Fedora :-). I use cheapo Dlink 530TX and 530TXS cards and they work flawlessly. $12 at staples. 6MB/s+ transfer rates full duplex. No problems ever. I also have Intel 100 and 1000 hardware which works great. HTH -- Mike A. Harris From dennis at ausil.us Sat Nov 15 11:34:20 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:34:20 +1000 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <200311152134.20746.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 15 Nov 2003 2:27 pm, DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > Can I get some people's recommendations on PCI/PNP network > cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro > based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about D-Link, > Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for 10/100 Mbit > cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards which is the > cause of my headaches currently with Fedora :-). I use realtek 8139 based cards i have a few different chipsets never had any issues with them i use the 8139too driver i get them for about AUD$13 which is about US$9.5 or there abouts. Basically most of them will work fine so it comes down to what you want to spend. Dennis From kevin at loose-screws.com Sat Nov 15 11:52:21 2003 From: kevin at loose-screws.com (Kevin Francis) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:52:21 +0800 Subject: 2 yum problems In-Reply-To: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311141150.29850.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3FB61375.5040109@loose-screws.com> ok. I know this one: When i used the kernel 2.6, I did yum update. that's all. that way, it updated, not upgraded. kernel 2.4 and sources are still here with me. i don't know rpm well enough, but rpm -e kernel-2.6-whatever, and yum update might be of help, but please confirm this with those who know rpm-fu before attempting this. cheers. -- Kevin Francis Neal D. Becker wrote: > I encountered 2 problems with yum today: > > 1) Installing kernel-source-2.6 removed kernel-source-2.4, but I still need to > keep kernel-source-2.4 around. > > 2) I couldn't find any way to convince yum to reinstall kernel-source-2.4: > yum install kernel-source-2.4.22 > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: arjanv > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) updates > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) > Server: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 1 > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Cannot find a package matching kernel-source-2.4.22 > > yum install kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl.i386 > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) > Server: Red Hat Linux 1 (i386) updates > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) > Server: Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) > Server: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 1 > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Cannot find a package matching kernel-source-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From bryan at redfedora.co.uk Sat Nov 15 12:30:48 2003 From: bryan at redfedora.co.uk (bryan at redfedora.co.uk) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:30:48 -0000 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <200311152134.20746.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <020e01c3ab74$4c942880$0301a8c0@BryanXP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Gilmore" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? > Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 15 Nov 2003 2:27 pm, DanG wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > Can I get some people's recommendations on PCI/PNP network > > cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro I've used netgear ones on all my servers for several years now they're also pretty cheap - a tenner (?10) last time if I remember correctly From don.vanco at agilysys.com Sat Nov 15 12:49:16 2003 From: don.vanco at agilysys.com (Vanco, Don) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:49:16 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? Message-ID: I try to find the returned/open box cards at my local BigBoxRetailer. I think I've even seen some NICs at Big Lots. Don -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com on behalf of DanG Sent: Fri 11/14/2003 11:27 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Cc: Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? Hi folks, Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora :-). Thanks, Dan From frank.jahn at robbe.com Sat Nov 15 13:34:22 2003 From: frank.jahn at robbe.com (Frank Jahn) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:34:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: CD Ripping doesn't work Message-ID: <33353.217.233.203.226.1068903262.squirrel@mail.robbe.com> Hello, when I try to rip a audio CD under Fedora with kaudiocreator, soundjuicer or k3b the following message apears: Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy). retrying in 1 second. lsof /dev/scd0 of fuser /dev/scd0 didn't show that the device is in use by another Program or another user. Any suggestions? Greetings Frank From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Nov 15 13:45:49 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:45:49 +0100 Subject: CD Ripping doesn't work In-Reply-To: <33353.217.233.203.226.1068903262.squirrel@mail.robbe.com> References: <33353.217.233.203.226.1068903262.squirrel@mail.robbe.com> Message-ID: <3FB62E0D.1000500@gmx.de> Frank Jahn wrote: >Hello, > >when I try to rip a audio CD under Fedora with kaudiocreator, soundjuicer >or k3b the following message apears: > >Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy). >retrying in 1 second. > >lsof /dev/scd0 of fuser /dev/scd0 didn't show that the device is in use by >another Program or another user. > >Any suggestions? > > try to diable the sound-events or the sound-daemon under gnome $ gnome-sound-properties under kde ?? -- shrek-m From kwan at digitalhermit.com Sat Nov 15 15:08:32 2003 From: kwan at digitalhermit.com (Kwan Lowe) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:08:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031115114801.6348.85824.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20031115114801.6348.85824.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <64289.207.87.240.225.1068908912.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> > Can I get some people's recommendations on PCI/PNP network cards > that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro based > cards are good but are a little more costly. What about D-Link, Realtek, > Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for 10/100 Mbit cards. Do > not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards which is the cause of my > headaches currently with Fedora :-). > I have a dozen or so machines running Linksys cards. I've purchased most of them for about $5-$10US, and some were free after promotions and rebates. In the past 3 years, one has died. I didn't have as much luck with Realtek 8139 based cards and have seen 4 die in the past two years. Don't remember the manufacturer however. -- The Digital Hermit Unix and Linux Solutions http://www.digitalhermit.com kwan at digitalhermit.com From michal at harddata.com Sat Nov 15 15:57:13 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:57:13 -0700 Subject: CD Ripping doesn't work In-Reply-To: <33353.217.233.203.226.1068903262.squirrel@mail.robbe.com>; from frank.jahn@robbe.com on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:34:22PM +0100 References: <33353.217.233.203.226.1068903262.squirrel@mail.robbe.com> Message-ID: <20031115085713.A3845@mail.harddata.com> On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:34:22PM +0100, Frank Jahn wrote: > > when I try to rip a audio CD under Fedora with kaudiocreator, soundjuicer > or k3b the following message apears: > > Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy). > retrying in 1 second. 'rpm -e magicdev' is most likely the answer. Michal From ajavid at duc.ac.ae Sat Nov 15 18:59:28 2003 From: ajavid at duc.ac.ae (Asad Javid) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:59:28 +0400 Subject: samba gui not working Message-ID: <1068922767.4458.5.camel@its-ajavid> samba gui is not working for me. whenever i try to open up the gui it gives me error saying "couldn't display smb://, because nautilus cannot contact the SMB master browser.Check that an SMB server is running on the local network." but i can open up network places by manually typing smb://ipaddress of hostname and it does work. any idea what might be the problem?? Regards, Asad Javid From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sat Nov 15 19:09:48 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:09:48 -0700 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates Message-ID: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I just updated FC1 this morning from Fedora Updates. There was a glibc update and a couple of others there. Now, mozilla hangs anytime you highlight the address bar or try to type in any new location. Anyone else notice this? Thunderbird seems to have the same problem as well. Wound up having to D/L Opera just to be able to browse reliably. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From maxer1 at xmission.com Sat Nov 15 19:15:11 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (RaXeT) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:15:11 -0700 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates In-Reply-To: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3FB67B3F.3040806@xmission.com> Christopher A. Williams wrote: >I just updated FC1 this morning from Fedora Updates. There was a glibc >update and a couple of others there. > >Now, mozilla hangs anytime you highlight the address bar or try to type >in any new location. Anyone else notice this? > >Thunderbird seems to have the same problem as well. Wound up having to >D/L Opera just to be able to browse reliably. > >Cheers, > >Chris > > No issues here. Though running 1.5 RaXeT From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Nov 15 20:30:04 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:30:04 +0100 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates In-Reply-To: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031115213004.0b78353d.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:09:48 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I just updated FC1 this morning from Fedora Updates. There was a glibc > update and a couple of others there. > > Now, mozilla hangs anytime you highlight the address bar or try to type > in any new location. Anyone else notice this? No, can't confirm such issues. I'm running Mozilla Test Update and glibc update (i686): $ rpm -q mozilla glibc mozilla-1.4.1-18 glibc-2.3.2-101.1 -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jonathanbearak at yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 23:27:55 2003 From: jonathanbearak at yahoo.com (Jonathan Marc Bearak) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:27:55 -0500 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates In-Reply-To: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1068938875.4501.11.camel@jonathan.bearak> I had the same exact problem with mozilla and firebird. In my case, it had nothing to do with the glibc updates. The problem seemed to be a result of my poorly-done changes to my computer's hostname. Have you set your hostname recently? On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 14:09, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I just updated FC1 this morning from Fedora Updates. There was a glibc > update and a couple of others there. > > Now, mozilla hangs anytime you highlight the address bar or try to type > in any new location. Anyone else notice this? > > Thunderbird seems to have the same problem as well. Wound up having to > D/L Opera just to be able to browse reliably. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From techs_21 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 23:35:13 2003 From: techs_21 at yahoo.com (Eric Ebert) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:35:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora Message-ID: <20031115233513.25433.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> I'm using the NetGear FA311. I have three of them in two boxes both of which are using Fedora Core 1 with 2.6 kernel. I've been using them since RH 7 and I've never had a problem with them. Eric From: "DanG" To: Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:27:40 -0500 Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3AB06.E5E7E800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, Can I get some people's recommendations on PCI/PNP network cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora :-). Thanks, Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Nov 16 01:08:00 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:08:00 +0900 Subject: CD Ripping doesn't work In-Reply-To: <33353.217.233.203.226.1068903262.squirrel@mail.robbe.com> References: <33353.217.233.203.226.1068903262.squirrel@mail.robbe.com> Message-ID: <3FB6CDF0.6030400@tuins.ac.jp> Frank Jahn wrote: >Hello, > >when I try to rip a audio CD under Fedora with kaudiocreator, soundjuicer >or k3b the following message apears: > >Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy). >retrying in 1 second. > >lsof /dev/scd0 of fuser /dev/scd0 didn't show that the device is in use by >another Program or another user. > >Any suggestions? > > I had the same thing before... cdrecord -scanbus showed that my CD had gone from the anticipated 0,0,0 to 0,1,0. My USB memory card had taken over the 0,0,0 spot, no doubt because I had started the machine with it plugged in. I just unplugged the card, restarted the machine, and all was well. Same in your case, I do not know. rg From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Nov 16 01:10:52 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:10:52 +0900 Subject: samba gui not working In-Reply-To: <1068922767.4458.5.camel@its-ajavid> References: <1068922767.4458.5.camel@its-ajavid> Message-ID: <3FB6CE9C.4060508@tuins.ac.jp> Asad Javid wrote: >samba gui is not working for me. whenever i try to open up the gui it >gives me error saying "couldn't display smb://, because nautilus cannot >contact the SMB master browser.Check that an SMB server is running on >the local network." > >but i can open up network places by manually typing smb://ipaddress of >hostname and it does work. > >any idea what might be the problem?? > > > Same prob here. rg From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sun Nov 16 02:38:14 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:38:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: samba gui not working In-Reply-To: <1068922767.4458.5.camel@its-ajavid> References: <1068922767.4458.5.camel@its-ajavid> Message-ID: <65294.69.68.37.57.1068950294.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Asad Javid said: > samba gui is not working for me. What does this have to do with testing? Please take general questions to the fedora-list. > whenever i try to open up the gui it > gives me error saying "couldn't display smb://, because nautilus cannot > contact the SMB master browser.Check that an SMB server is running on > the local network." > > but i can open up network places by manually typing smb://ipaddress of > hostname and it does work. > > any idea what might be the problem?? How about you don't have a SMB master browser? Another common issue is that your workgroup name needs set correctly in /etc/samba/smb.conf. -- William Hooper From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sun Nov 16 02:39:36 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:39:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Confused about where to provide feedback on testing RPMs In-Reply-To: <20031115003333.GB16707@inxservices.com> References: <20031115003333.GB16707@inxservices.com> Message-ID: <65268.69.68.37.57.1068950376.squirrel@69.68.37.57> George Garvey said: > I'd appreciate a URL where I can report a problem with something being > tested. Um... the fedora-test-list... If you are sure it is a bug it needs to go into bugzilla. -- William Hooper From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sun Nov 16 03:26:37 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:26:37 -0500 Subject: up2date 404's Message-ID: I'm running up2date 4.16 an fc1. I get: There was a fatal error communicating with the server. The message was: An HTTP error occurred: URL: http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1/headers/header.info Status Code: 404 Error Message: Not Found /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources has yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 yum updates-released http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 Is the server just down ( it's been over a day ) or is the config wrong? sean _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From dennis at ausil.us Sun Nov 16 03:41:28 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:41:28 +1000 Subject: up2date 404's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311161341.29323.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sun, 16 Nov 2003 1:26 pm, sean darcy wrote: > I'm running up2date 4.16 an fc1. I get: > > There was a fatal error communicating with the server. The message was: > > An HTTP error occurred: > URL: http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1/headers/header.info > Status Code: 404 > Error Message: Not Found > > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources has > > yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 > yum updates-released > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 it should be http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ someone didnt think properlly and changed it i think or removed the http redirection or something. Dennis From kjb at dds.nl Sun Nov 16 09:54:20 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:54:20 +0100 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <1068976459.1500.6.camel@isengard> On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:27, DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network > cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 > eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about > D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for > 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards > which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. I'm currently using a 3c905 (rev b, combo version) with fedora without any problems. I'm wondering what "headaches" it's causing you. The Realtek cards are ok, but a bit broken by design (the driver works around that, but don't be surprised when your logs show "hanging transceiver reset" or other vague messages. I've had no problems with Intel and Digital cards. Klaasjan From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Nov 16 10:11:44 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:11:44 +0100 Subject: samba gui not working In-Reply-To: <1068922767.4458.5.camel@its-ajavid> References: <1068922767.4458.5.camel@its-ajavid> Message-ID: <3FB74D60.7030407@gmx.de> Asad Javid wrote: >samba gui is not working for me. whenever i try to open up the gui it >gives me error saying "couldn't display smb://, because nautilus cannot >contact the SMB master browser.Check that an SMB server is running on >the local network." > >but i can open up network places by manually typing smb://ipaddress of >hostname and it does work. > >any idea what might be the problem?? > > start your samba on boot # chkconfig smb on # service smb status smbd (pid 4277) wird ausgef?hrt... nmbd (pid 4281) wird ausgef?hrt... afair you have to wait about 7 minutes before your samba-server becomes master-browser check your log # tail -f /var/log/samba/nmbd.log [2003/11/16 10:50:21, 0] nmbd/nmbd_workgroupdb.c:dump_workgroups(266) dump_workgroups() dump workgroup on subnet 192.168.101.12: netmask= 255.255.255.0: MYGROUP(1) current master browser = XP1800 XP1800 40049803 (Samba Server) -- shrek-m From iainr at zathras.org Sun Nov 16 12:40:51 2003 From: iainr at zathras.org (Iain Rae) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:40:51 +0000 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <1068976459.1500.6.camel@isengard> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <1068976459.1500.6.camel@isengard> Message-ID: <3FB77053.5010109@zathras.org> Klaasjan Brand wrote: >On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:27, DanG wrote: > > >>Hi folks, >> Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network >>cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 >>eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about >>D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for >>10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards >>which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. >> >> > >I'm currently using a 3c905 (rev b, combo version) with fedora without >any problems. I'm wondering what "headaches" it's causing you. > > see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 basically the cards lock up when kudzu is run during the boot process and the machine has to be power-cycled to get them back into a working condition. It seems to be limited to the 905, the B's and C's seem to work fine, also the 905's themselves seem to work fine with the 2.6 kernel. I've kind of worked round the problem, my work has just thrown out a bunch of PC's with 905b's in them and I retrieved the cards from the dustbin, >The Realtek cards are ok, but a bit broken by design (the driver works >around that, but don't be surprised when your logs show "hanging >transceiver reset" or other vague messages. > AFAICR they're not very high performance cards either. >I've had no problems with >Intel and Digital cards. > >Klaasjan > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From ebarnes at rationalsystemsupport.com Sun Nov 16 15:01:53 2003 From: ebarnes at rationalsystemsupport.com (Eric Barnes) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:01:53 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FB77053.5010109@zathras.org> Message-ID: Someone on the fedora-list has the same problem. Something to do with kudzu I think. Look in that list instead of this test-list. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. On 11/16/03 7:40 AM, "Iain Rae" wrote: > Klaasjan Brand wrote: > >> On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:27, DanG wrote: >> >> >>> Hi folks, >>> Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network >>> cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 >>> eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about >>> D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for >>> 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards >>> which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. >>> >>> >> >> I'm currently using a 3c905 (rev b, combo version) with fedora without >> any problems. I'm wondering what "headaches" it's causing you. >> >> > see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 > > > basically the cards lock up when kudzu is run during the boot process > and the machine has to be power-cycled to get them back into a working > condition. It seems to be limited to the 905, the B's and C's seem to > work fine, also the 905's themselves seem to work fine with the 2.6 kernel. > > > > > I've kind of worked round the problem, my work has just thrown out a > bunch of PC's with 905b's in them and I retrieved the cards from the > dustbin, > > >> The Realtek cards are ok, but a bit broken by design (the driver works >> around that, but don't be surprised when your logs show "hanging >> transceiver reset" or other vague messages. >> > > AFAICR they're not very high performance cards either. > > >> I've had no problems with >> Intel and Digital cards. >> >> Klaasjan >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 15:58:07 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (marcos colome) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:58:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> I have not had any kind of problems with 3COM, D-Link or Realtek, they all do the same job even if the cost is $15.00 or $300.00 as long as they are 10/100 they work fine with any Linux, even the Asustek or Nvidia 3Com works fine with me. The new Intel 10/100/1000 are more expensive and the transmission is 10/100 only until now. There are a lot of technologies in the market that we do not need, they just complicate our life more, it is like SATA hard drives, I prefer SCSI hard drives. Some 3 com 905 network card they boot by itself in some types of motherboards, I have inserted it on a 64bit pci slot and it works fine, on an NVidia chipset motherboard it wont boot by itself, but it will boot on an SIS chipset motherboard. In some motherboard it makes cycle, but they are very good and there are always drivers for them. Eric Barnes wrote: Someone on the fedora-list has the same problem. Something to do with kudzu I think. Look in that list instead of this test-list. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. On 11/16/03 7:40 AM, "Iain Rae" wrote: > Klaasjan Brand wrote: > >> On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:27, DanG wrote: >> >> >>> Hi folks, >>> Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network >>> cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 >>> eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about >>> D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for >>> 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards >>> which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. >>> >>> >> >> I'm currently using a 3c905 (rev b, combo version) with fedora without >> any problems. I'm wondering what "headaches" it's causing you. >> >> > see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 > > > basically the cards lock up when kudzu is run during the boot process > and the machine has to be power-cycled to get them back into a working > condition. It seems to be limited to the 905, the B's and C's seem to > work fine, also the 905's themselves seem to work fine with the 2.6 kernel. > > > > > I've kind of worked round the problem, my work has just thrown out a > bunch of PC's with 905b's in them and I retrieved the cards from the > dustbin, > > >> The Realtek cards are ok, but a bit broken by design (the driver works >> around that, but don't be surprised when your logs show "hanging >> transceiver reset" or other vague messages. >> > > AFAICR they're not very high performance cards either. > > >> I've had no problems with >> Intel and Digital cards. >> >> Klaasjan >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seyman at wanadoo.fr Sun Nov 16 16:57:04 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:57:04 +0100 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <20031116165704.GB7375@orient.maison.moi> On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:24:15AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > I use cheapo Dlink 530TX and 530TXS cards and they work > flawlessly. $12 at staples. 6MB/s+ transfer rates full duplex. > No problems ever. D-Link DFE-538TX over here. Slightly expensive but they work very well. Emmanuel From dgenn at rogers.com Sun Nov 16 16:59:36 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:59:36 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031116165851.WJMZ489038.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Yes the problem I have is with my 3c905-TX card which is revision A. If Kudzu is on at boot time the card does not initialize (though it worked great from RH 7-9). I have quite a few posts in bugzilla about it and workarounds. The issue has not been resolved yet with Kudzu and I wanted another card that I could use the machine for NAT/Firewall for my network. I bought a new Realtek 8139C chipset based card. It has a one year warranty. Works like a charm not bad for $6 US :-). Thanks for everyone's input. Dan _____ From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of marcos colome Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:58 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? I have not had any kind of problems with 3COM, D-Link or Realtek, they all do the same job even if the cost is $15.00 or $300.00 as long as they are 10/100 they work fine with any Linux, even the Asustek or Nvidia 3Com works fine with me. The new Intel 10/100/1000 are more expensive and the transmission is 10/100 only until now. There are a lot of technologies in the market that we do not need, they just complicate our life more, it is like SATA hard drives, I prefer SCSI hard drives. Some 3 com 905 network card they boot by itself in some types of motherboards, I have inserted it on a 64bit pci slot and it works fine, on an NVidia chipset motherboard it wont boot by itself, but it will boot on an SIS chipset motherboard. In some motherboard it makes cycle, but they are very good and there are always drivers for them. Eric Barnes wrote: Someone on the fedora-list has the same problem. Something to do with kudzu I think. Look in that list instead of this test-list. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. On 11/16/03 7:40 AM, "Iain Rae" wrote: > Klaasjan Brand wrote: > >> On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:27, DanG wrote: >> >> >>> Hi folks, >>> Can I get some people9s recommendations on PCI/PNP network >>> cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 >>> eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about >>> D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for >>> 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards >>> which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. >>> >>> >> >> I'm currently using a 3c905 (rev b, combo version) with fedora without >> any problems. I'm wondering what "headaches" it's causing you. >> >> > see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 > > > basically the cards lock up when kudzu is run during the boot process > and the machine has to be power-cycled to get them back into a working > condition. It seems to be limited to the 905, the B's and C's seem to > work fine, also the 905's themselves seem to work fine with the 2.6 kernel. > > > > > I've kind of worked round the problem, my work has just thrown out a > bunch of PC's with 905b's in them and I retrieved the cards from the > dustbin, > > >> The Realtek cards are ok, but a bit broken by design (the driver works >> around that, but don't be surprised when your! logs show "hanging >> transceiver reset" or other vague messages. >> > > AFAICR they're not very high performance cards either. > > >> I've had no problems with >> Intel and Digital cards. >> >> Klaasjan >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christoph.wickert at web.de Sun Nov 16 17:15:01 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:15:01 +0100 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <3F9E362A.3050909@redhat.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> <1067271222.6118.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <3F9E362A.3050909@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069002901.6022.55.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Sorry for writing to the test list, but this is a reply to an old mail for the testing times. Am Di, den 28.10.2003 schrieb Than Ngo um 10:26: > Christoph Wickert schrieb: > > > > >This is what happened to me: Start Here worked in Gnome. After some > >Updates it worked with KDE, too. After changing the icon theme in KDE > >there was no icon anymore (for KDE themes usually include no Start > >here), so I changed the Icon to the one from RH artwork. > > > > > this icon is missed in other Icon Theme. I will fix it in next > kdebase-3.1.4-5 Not really. > >So you can't have Start here in KDE and Gnome. Will this be fixed in > >kdebase 3.1.4-5? > > > > > yes, kdebase-3.1.4-5 will fix this problem. Not really. # rpm -q kdebase kdebase-3.1.4-6 Shortcuts created in Gnome won't work in KDE anymore. Nothing happens, not even a failure in .xsession-errors. As long, as this doesn't work I vote for separate desktops again. Christoph From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Sun Nov 16 17:39:32 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:39:32 +0200 Subject: wine security-patched kernel ? In-Reply-To: <200311141732.57582.orzechowskip@prokom.pl> References: <200311141732.57582.orzechowskip@prokom.pl> Message-ID: <1069004372.7238.60.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Vi, 2003-11-14 at 18:32, Pawe? Orzechowski wrote: > Hello, > > I have the same problem running following command: > Any suggestions? http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1769 Note: this question belonged to fedora-list -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sun Nov 16 17:36:15 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:36:15 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200311160936.21488.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 November 2003 07:58, marcos colome wrote: > There > are a lot of technologies in the market that we do not need, they just > complicate our life more, it is like SATA hard drives, I prefer SCSI > hard drives. Heh, I love comments like these. Show me a 250gig SCSI disk this is truly hot-swappable. Oh wait, thats right, it doesn't exist. Pitty. Show me a 3u dual xeon server that is capable of 4+ TB of hot-swap SCSI storage (all in the 3u, no external stuff). Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Pitty. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t7WU4v2HLvE71NURAgzgAKCXIVO4Qh8mIoqvKL7yVf+QnOl6JwCgmDY6 9PhYMcaEZGn52BPU0wJuE6o= =X0Z7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 18:16:30 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (marcos colome) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311160936.21488.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20031116181630.85173.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> We are here in order to give our opinions not for intelectuals arguments. If you want to use a 250Gig that is okay with me, if you want to spend the money on a dual Xeon that is okay. I have the same enjoyment and I do the same job with 20Gig or 250 Gig, with single processor or Dual Processors., I have tried and I own all those things that you are referring to, but I love simplicity and that is my own personal opinion, I am still driving a 1965 Chevy and my cousin got killed on a 2003 Porsche --- Jesse Keating wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 16 November 2003 07:58, marcos colome > wrote: > > There > > are a lot of technologies in the market that we do > not need, they just > > complicate our life more, it is like SATA hard > drives, I prefer SCSI > > hard drives. > > Heh, I love comments like these. > > Show me a 250gig SCSI disk this is truly > hot-swappable. Oh wait, thats > right, it doesn't exist. Pitty. Show me a 3u dual > xeon server that is > capable of 4+ TB of hot-swap SCSI storage (all in > the 3u, no external > stuff). Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Pitty. > > - -- > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE > (http://geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team > (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > GPG Public Key > (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/t7WU4v2HLvE71NURAgzgAKCXIVO4Qh8mIoqvKL7yVf+QnOl6JwCgmDY6 > 9PhYMcaEZGn52BPU0wJuE6o= > =X0Z7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kjb at dds.nl Sun Nov 16 19:50:45 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:50:45 +0100 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FB77053.5010109@zathras.org> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <1068976459.1500.6.camel@isengard> <3FB77053.5010109@zathras.org> Message-ID: <1069012244.1536.4.camel@isengard> On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 13:40, Iain Rae wrote: > see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 > > > basically the cards lock up when kudzu is run during the boot process > and the machine has to be power-cycled to get them back into a working > condition. It seems to be limited to the 905, the B's and C's seem to > work fine, also the 905's themselves seem to work fine with the 2.6 kernel. > > I've kind of worked round the problem, my work has just thrown out a > bunch of PC's with 905b's in them and I retrieved the cards from the > dustbin, Looks like the problem will be around for a while then, if noone cares to fix it. Don't know how many cards it affect though, could be the number of 905a cards is limited. > > The Realtek cards are ok, but a bit broken by design (the driver works > >around that, but don't be surprised when your logs show "hanging > >transceiver reset" or other vague messages. > > > AFAICR they're not very high performance cards either. They generate more processor overhead, but the network performance is about equal to the 3com cards as far as I've seen. For a server with multiple interfaces I'd choose another brand. Klaasjan From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sun Nov 16 20:51:46 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:51:46 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031116181630.85173.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031116181630.85173.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200311161251.47153.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 November 2003 10:16, marcos colome wrote: > We are here in order to give our opinions not for > intelectuals arguments. If you want to use a 250Gig > that is okay with me, if you want to spend the money > on a dual Xeon that is okay. I have the same enjoyment > and I do the same job with 20Gig or 250 Gig, with > single processor or Dual Processors., I have tried and > I own all those things that you are referring to, but > I love simplicity and that is my own personal opinion, > I am still driving a 1965 Chevy and my cousin got > killed on a 2003 Porsche I just don't think you're seeing the big picture. How are you going to service a large companies /home file server with a 20gig drive? 20gigs gets used up pretty quickly. A really good idea to keep in mind is that "What works for me doesn't necessarily work for everybody else." and "What I need isn't necessarily what everybody else needs.". Try to keep the big picture in mind. There are things that the Intel cards can do that most the others cant, channel bonding, vlan stuff, thats what gives it a higher price. gigE is also very important for a lot of situations. If our installation network wasn't gigE, network installs would take FAR too long. The fact that it _is_ gigE, and the majority of the systems we install have gigE capabilities, a lot of time is saved, and time == $$. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t+Ni4v2HLvE71NURAmwzAJ0dWFSbVl3SFPCg/b8HmL9H4cTVegCcCL0i /zpEmJFEtdHK6xSBm7RBTDk= =b1AV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gawain.lynch at bigpond.com Mon Nov 17 05:30:47 2003 From: gawain.lynch at bigpond.com (Gawain Lynch) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:30:47 +1100 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide Message-ID: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> I just noticed there are a bunch of packages in rawhide that have been compiled for use SELinux and I have a couple of questions: 1. Is SELinux planed to be included in FC2? 2. Other than the usual caveats associated with rawhide, are there things that should be watched for/tested? Thanks, Gawain From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 17 05:34:06 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:34:06 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311161251.47153.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20031116181630.85173.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com> <200311161251.47153.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3FB85DCE.20304@speakeasy.net> I agree with Jesse. That big picture is what most of us need to think about. Bob Jesse Keating wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 16 November 2003 10:16, marcos colome wrote: > >>We are here in order to give our opinions not for >>intelectuals arguments. If you want to use a 250Gig >>that is okay with me, if you want to spend the money >>on a dual Xeon that is okay. I have the same enjoyment >>and I do the same job with 20Gig or 250 Gig, with >>single processor or Dual Processors., I have tried and >>I own all those things that you are referring to, but >>I love simplicity and that is my own personal opinion, >>I am still driving a 1965 Chevy and my cousin got >>killed on a 2003 Porsche > > > I just don't think you're seeing the big picture. How are you going to > service a large companies /home file server with a 20gig drive? 20gigs > gets used up pretty quickly. > > A really good idea to keep in mind is that "What works for me doesn't > necessarily work for everybody else." and "What I need isn't necessarily > what everybody else needs.". Try to keep the big picture in mind. > > There are things that the Intel cards can do that most the others cant, > channel bonding, vlan stuff, thats what gives it a higher price. gigE is > also very important for a lot of situations. If our installation network > wasn't gigE, network installs would take FAR too long. The fact that it > _is_ gigE, and the majority of the systems we install have gigE > capabilities, a lot of time is saved, and time == $$. > > - -- > Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) > Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) > GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/t+Ni4v2HLvE71NURAmwzAJ0dWFSbVl3SFPCg/b8HmL9H4cTVegCcCL0i > /zpEmJFEtdHK6xSBm7RBTDk= > =b1AV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 17 05:39:17 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:39:17 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <3FB5AF99.7010904@wanadoo.es> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <3FB5AF99.7010904@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3FB85F05.1020702@speakeasy.net> I've never had a problem with any of the recent Realtek chips. They just work. I guess I'm using a really recent chipset! Bob Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > DanG wrote: > > >> Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network >>cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 >>eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about > > ^^^^^ > Intel 100 are very good NICs, but better with _e100_ driver. > > >>D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for >>10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards >>which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. > > > A RealTek RTL-8139C+ clone is cheaper. But it must be C+, only _8139_ > are shit. The driver is 8139cp. > > A very cheap Gb NIC is Netgear GA302T, tg3 driver. > > But if you have a problem with a 905, better send a report to bugzilla > or to netdev at oss.sgi.com(net devices Linux ml) > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Nov 17 05:46:28 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:46:28 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <3FB860B4.6010308@speakeasy.net> Right now I have a bunch of computers. I started out with 2 machines and 2 Netgear FA310TX cards. One of the Netgear cards died -- I replaced it with the FA311 Then I went with the CompUSA brand because it is cheap, also Hawkings Techologies which is cheaper than CompUSA branded cards. All have worked well. When I have to put an NIC in someone else's computer I get the cheapest available card. Lately I won't take a computer that doesn't have LAN capability built into the motherboard. I've built 2 computers and both have onboard LAN. That's the way I want to keep it in the future. I guess I've been lucky! Bob DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > Can I get some people?s recommendations on PCI/PNP network > cards that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 > eepro based cards are good but are a little more costly. What about > D-Link, Realtek, Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for > 10/100 Mbit cards. Do not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards > which is the cause of my headaches currently with Fedora J. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From pp at ee.oulu.fi Mon Nov 17 08:06:34 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:06:34 +0200 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> References: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> Message-ID: <20031117080634.GA22446@ee.oulu.fi> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:30:47PM +1100, Gawain Lynch wrote: > I just noticed there are a bunch of packages in rawhide that have been > compiled for use SELinux and I have a couple of questions: > > 1. Is SELinux planed to be included in FC2? > > 2. Other than the usual caveats associated with rawhide, are there > things that should be watched for/tested? Keep a root shell open and make sure you can login after upgrading to them (login started asking for security contexts for me, which I of course didn't have setup), commenting out pam_selinux.so from /etc/pam.d/login fixed that. -- Pekka Pietikainen From xose at wanadoo.es Mon Nov 17 10:22:20 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:22:20 +0100 Subject: [OT]Re: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <3FB5AF99.7010904@wanadoo.es> <3FB85F05.1020702@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3FB8A15C.7060108@wanadoo.es> this thread is a little off-topic here. Sorry Robert L Cochran wrote: > Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: >> A RealTek RTL-8139C+ clone is cheaper. But it must be C+, only _8139_ >> are shit. The driver is 8139cp. > I've never had a problem with any of the recent Realtek chips. They just > work. I guess I'm using a really recent chipset! Yes, RealTek NICs work. But RTL-8139 based has a _very_ bad design. FreeBSD driver has more information: /* * The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is * probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible * exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master * DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance * gains that bus-master DMA usually offers. * * For transmission, the chip offers a series of four TX descriptor * registers. Each transmit frame must be in a contiguous buffer, aligned * on a longword (32-bit) boundary. This means we almost always have to * do mbuf copies in order to transmit a frame, except in the unlikely * case where a) the packet fits into a single mbuf, and b) the packet * is 32-bit aligned within the mbuf's data area. The presence of only * four descriptor registers means that we can never have more than four * packets queued for transmission at any one time. * * Reception is not much better. The driver has to allocate a single large * buffer area (up to 64K in size) into which the chip will DMA received * frames. Because we don't know where within this region received packets * will begin or end, we have no choice but to copy data from the buffer * area into mbufs in order to pass the packets up to the higher protocol * levels. * * It's impossible given this rotten design to really achieve decent * performance at 100Mbps, unless you happen to have a 400Mhz PII or * some equally overmuscled CPU to drive it. * [...] * Fast forward a few years. RealTek now has a new chip called the * 8139C+ which at long last implements descriptor-based DMA. Not * only that, it supports RX and TX TCP/IP checksum offload, VLAN * tagging and insertion, TCP large send and 64-bit addressing. * Better still, it allows arbitrary byte alignments for RX and * TX buffers, meaning no copying is necessary on any architecture. * There are a few limitations however: the RX and TX descriptor * rings must be aligned on 256 byte boundaries, they must be in * contiguous RAM, and each ring can have a maximum of 64 descriptors. * There are two TX descriptor queues: one normal priority and one * high. Descriptor ring addresses and DMA buffer addresses are * 64 bits wide. The 8139C+ is also backwards compatible with the * 8139, so the chip will still function with older drivers: C+ * mode has to be enabled by setting the appropriate bits in the C+ * command register. The PHY access mechanism appears to be unchanged. * [...] -- HTML mails are going to trash automagically From kissg at dataminer.hu Mon Nov 17 12:59:15 2003 From: kissg at dataminer.hu (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Kiss_G=E1bor?=) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:59:15 +0100 Subject: wu-ftp Message-ID: <001901c3ad0a$b3dd2a40$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Dear All, I dont find wu-ftp on the FC1 cd-s. Isnt it the part of the distribution? Tanks G?bor From nbecker at hns.com Mon Nov 17 13:08:41 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:08:41 -0500 Subject: Executable memory: some apps that work on RH9 don't on FC1 In-Reply-To: <20031117130359.GB6288@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1069073695.9836.5.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> <20031117130359.GB6288@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311170808.41691.nbecker@hns.com> On Monday 17 November 2003 08:03, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:54:55PM +0100, Gerard Milmeister wrote: > > Some software, among them clisp, scm and mit-scheme don't work anymore > > with FC1. One problem seems to be that on FC1 stack and malloced memory > > is no longer executable, at least not without using mprotect. > > Interpreters and compilers like the above commonly allocate a piece of > > memory and fill it with executable code. I am sure they can be adapted > > to work on FC1, but I would have preferred that the FC1 kernel would > > behave in the same way as the RH9 one. Is there any way to disable this > > behaviour. Trying to get the problem fixed by the upstream developers > > will probably take a long time, and it seems that other Linux distros > > don't show this problem... > > If they need executable stack in a way which is not known to the compiler, > the programmer has to tell it to the toolchain. > If a program say takes address of a nested function, GCC knows it needs > executable stack and arranges things automatically. > Otherwise, either an object file can be marked as needing executable > stack (with -Wa,--execstack; at least one such object will make the whole > shared library or binary requiring executable stack), or during link > time with -Wl,-z,execstack or after it using execstack(8) utility. > The defaults are such that programs and/or libraries compiled/linked > on <= RHL9 are always assumed to potentially require executable stack, > but if you build a new program on FC1, you really need to tell the > toolchain about it. > Is it possible to mark executables, without requiring relinking? From kjb at dds.nl Mon Nov 17 13:39:11 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: 17 Nov 2003 14:39:11 +0100 Subject: wu-ftp In-Reply-To: <001901c3ad0a$b3dd2a40$0401a8c0@pclaptop> References: <001901c3ad0a$b3dd2a40$0401a8c0@pclaptop> Message-ID: <1069076351.23585.4.camel@topicus6> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 13:59, Kiss G?bor wrote: > Dear All, > > I dont find wu-ftp on the FC1 cd-s. Isnt it the part of the distribution? > > Tanks > G?bor It's been replaced by vsftpd. -- Klaasjan Brand From andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at Mon Nov 17 13:59:40 2003 From: andreas.sartori at fh-sbg.ac.at (Andreas Sartori) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:59:40 +0100 Subject: wu-ftp In-Reply-To: <1069076351.23585.4.camel@topicus6> References: <001901c3ad0a$b3dd2a40$0401a8c0@pclaptop> <1069076351.23585.4.camel@topicus6> Message-ID: <3FB8D44C.7030207@fh-sbg.ac.at> it is not, since rh8 the default ft pserver is vsftpd. -andy -------------------------------------------------------- andreas sartori system management information & network technologies redhat certified engineer fh salzburg fachhochschulgesellschaft mbh schillerstra?e 30 5020 salzburg austria tel. +43 662 4665 652 / fax 659 http://www.fh-sbg.ac.at/int/ Klaasjan Brand wrote: >On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 13:59, Kiss G?bor wrote: > > >>Dear All, >> >>I dont find wu-ftp on the FC1 cd-s. Isnt it the part of the distribution? >> >> Tanks >>G?bor >> >> > >It's been replaced by vsftpd. > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andreas.sartori.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From czar at czarc.net Mon Nov 17 15:38:59 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:38:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora errata and test errata Message-ID: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> OK, I have been running all of the updates and "test updates" currently posted with no problems. However, I do wonder how bugs should be reported. Should they be reported against Fedora Core 1 with the specific package version/release specified or what? The number of reports updates in the last four days for Fedora Core 1 make it difficult to see just what is reported. -- Gene From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Mon Nov 17 17:45:13 2003 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:45:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Executable memory: some apps that work on RH9 don't on FC1 In-Reply-To: <200311170808.41691.nbecker@hns.com> References: <1069073695.9836.5.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> <20031117130359.GB6288@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311170808.41691.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> If a program say takes address of a nested function, GCC knows it needs >> executable stack and arranges things automatically. >> Otherwise, either an object file can be marked as needing executable >> stack (with -Wa,--execstack; at least one such object will make the whole >> shared library or binary requiring executable stack), or during link >> time with -Wl,-z,execstack or after it using execstack(8) utility. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> The defaults are such that programs and/or libraries compiled/linked >> on <= RHL9 are always assumed to potentially require executable stack, >> but if you build a new program on FC1, you really need to tell the >> toolchain about it. >> > >Is it possible to mark executables, without requiring relinking? -- Mike A. Harris From blizzard at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 19:19:48 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:19:48 -0500 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates In-Reply-To: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3FB91F54.90108@redhat.com> Christopher A. Williams wrote: >I just updated FC1 this morning from Fedora Updates. There was a glibc >update and a couple of others there. > >Now, mozilla hangs anytime you highlight the address bar or try to type >in any new location. Anyone else notice this? > >Thunderbird seems to have the same problem as well. Wound up having to >D/L Opera just to be able to browse reliably. > Sounds like an odd problem. Do you know how to generate a stack trace when it hangs? --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From notting at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 20:46:33 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:33 -0500 Subject: Fedora errata and test errata In-Reply-To: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > OK, I have been running all of the updates and "test updates" currently posted > with no problems. > > However, I do wonder how bugs should be reported. Should they be reported > against Fedora Core 1 with the specific package version/release specified or > what? Either that or rawhide. Bill From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 20:57:04 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:57:04 -0500 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> References: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> Message-ID: <20031117205704.GA5820@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:30:47PM +1100, Gawain Lynch wrote: > 1. Is SELinux planed to be included in FC2? Yep! michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From czar at czarc.net Mon Nov 17 21:06:45 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:06:45 -0500 Subject: Fedora errata and test errata In-Reply-To: <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 17 November 2003 15:46, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Gene C. (czar at czarc.net) said: > > OK, I have been running all of the updates and "test updates" currently > > posted with no problems. > > > > However, I do wonder how bugs should be reported. Should they be > > reported against Fedora Core 1 with the specific package version/release > > specified or what? > > Either that or rawhide. I would rather reserve "rawhide" for packages from "development". I seems to me that a new version should be defined in bugzilla (update-testing?). BTW, bugzilla needs some updating for package names: for example, in Fedora Core 1, there is no rpmdb-redhat package; instead the package is rpmdb-fedora but there is no such package defined to bugzilla. I believe I have run across another one but do not remember what it is. -- Gene From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Mon Nov 17 21:18:05 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:18:05 -0600 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031117205704.GA5820@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> <20031117205704.GA5820@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069103885.4563.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 14:57, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:30:47PM +1100, Gawain Lynch wrote: > > 1. Is SELinux planed to be included in FC2? > > Yep! > > michaelkjohnson Really? Wow!! Will this be combined with a default offering for an encrypted file system? :-) Thanks! Marc From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Nov 17 21:20:04 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:20:04 -0800 Subject: Fedora errata and test errata In-Reply-To: <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 17 November 2003 13:06, Gene C. wrote: > BTW, bugzilla needs some updating for package names: for example, in > Fedora Core 1, there is no rpmdb-redhat package; instead the package > is rpmdb-fedora but there is no such package defined to bugzilla. I > believe I have run across another one but do not remember what it is. fedora-logos perhaps? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 21:30:42 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:30:42 -0500 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1069103885.4563.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> <20031117205704.GA5820@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069103885.4563.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031117213042.GA8626@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:18:05PM -0600, Marc Schwartz wrote: > On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 14:57, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:30:47PM +1100, Gawain Lynch wrote: > > > 1. Is SELinux planed to be included in FC2? > > > > Yep! > > Really? Wow!! Yeah, really. Lots of work to do... I'm not making statements about default policy, just technology. > Will this be combined with a default offering for an encrypted file > system? :-) Not patching in something that's not upstream, I'm sure of that. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From lowen at pari.edu Mon Nov 17 21:32:45 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:32:45 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311160936.21488.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311160936.21488.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> On Sunday 16 November 2003 12:36 pm, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Sunday 16 November 2003 07:58, marcos colome wrote: > > complicate our life more, it is like SATA hard drives, I prefer SCSI > > hard drives. > Heh, I love comments like these. > Show me a 250gig SCSI disk this is truly hot-swappable. Oh wait, thats > right, it doesn't exist. Pitty. Show me a 3u dual xeon server that is > capable of 4+ TB of hot-swap SCSI storage (all in the 3u, no external > stuff). Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Pitty. Show me a 15kRPM SATA drive with the capability to truly know that the data has hit the platter (essential for journaling filesystems and ACID compliant databases). Pity. :-) One will probably be available soone enough, but by that time the 4u 4+TB of hot swap SCSI will also be a reality. Incidentally, ATAPI == SCSI over IDE. Crippled SCSI over IDE at that. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From czar at czarc.net Mon Nov 17 21:40:02 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:40:02 -0500 Subject: Fedora errata and test errata In-Reply-To: <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200311171640.02851.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 17 November 2003 16:20, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 17 November 2003 13:06, Gene C. wrote: > > BTW, bugzilla needs some updating for package names: for example, in > > Fedora Core 1, there is no rpmdb-redhat package; instead the package > > is rpmdb-fedora but there is no such package defined to bugzilla. I > > believe I have run across another one but do not remember what it is. > > fedora-logos perhaps? Actually, it was fedora-release but fedora-logos is also missing. I found that fedora-release was missing when I went to file a bug report for RELEASE-NOTES which (apparently) should be filed against the *-release package. -- Gene From gmaeding at Kidspeace.org Mon Nov 17 21:48:55 2003 From: gmaeding at Kidspeace.org (Glen Maeding) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:48:55 -0500 Subject: Evolution and libcom_err.so.3 problems.... In-Reply-To: <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1069105735.9835.13.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> Did anyone have problem with getting Evolution 1.4.5 with ximian ( exchange ) connector to run without any problem? After struggling to get Red-Carpet to run on this unsupported platform which Ximian recommends to fix any problems concerning the ximian connector which Red-Carpet refused to work, i decided to try to reinstall the ximian connector itself in hope of fixing the problem. It ended up saying this: "error: Failed dependencies: libcom_err.so.3 is needed by ximian-connector-1.4.5-0.ximian.6.1" So I googled this libcom_err.so.3 to see where it was coming from and check to see if i had it in my system at all, well it pointed to this krb5-libs file. So I downloaded the rpm to install it thinking i didnt have it on my system and attempted to install it. It reported back: "Preparing... ########################################### [100%] package krb5-libs-1.3.1-6 (which is newer than krb5-libs-1.2.7-14) is already installed" SO i figured this was what was causing it to not work so i forced installed it and from that point on, my evolution now will work with the ximian connector. So what is different in that new version of krb5-libs that comes with Fedora Core 1 compared to Redhat 9.0? Now I have to watch out for any wierd system responses from this forced install which i know many of the components depends on this file. Is there a known issue on this or is this limited only to Ximian to work this issue out? If so then will ximian support Fedora anytime in the future or will that be limited to Redhat Enteprise Linux only? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- * -- Glen Maeding * -- MIS Tech @ Kidspeace Inc. * -- Webmaster of MIS-comm, Pdangel.org, and others... * -- E-mail: gmaeding at kidspeace.org * -- Pager e-mail: goik at tmail.com **Note: There's a Critical Security Upgrade available for Microsoft Windows; It's called "Linux" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 21:50:54 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:50:54 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311160936.21488.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <20031117215054.GA11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Show me a 15kRPM SATA drive with the capability to truly know that the data > has hit the platter (essential for journaling filesystems and ACID compliant > databases). Pity. :-) One will probably be available soone enough, but by > that time the 4u 4+TB of hot swap SCSI will also be a reality. SATA can support read cache only and multiple outstanding commands so its as happy at that as scsi. SATA (more so SATA2) removes just about any relevant bus level advantages scsi has. From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 21:56:48 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:56:48 -0500 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates In-Reply-To: <1068938875.4501.11.camel@jonathan.bearak> References: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1068938875.4501.11.camel@jonathan.bearak> Message-ID: <20031117215648.GC11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I had the same exact problem with mozilla and firebird. In my case, it > had nothing to do with the glibc updates. The problem seemed to be a > result of my poorly-done changes to my computer's hostname. Have you > set your hostname recently? Same problem here sort of but no hostname change - it now hangs at the profile selection dialog From alan at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 21:59:57 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:59:57 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <20031117215957.GD11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Can I get some people's recommendations on PCI/PNP network cards > that run very stable under Linux 2.4. I hear the Intel 10/100 eepro based > cards are good but are a little more costly. What about D-Link, Realtek, > Linksys etc for $10-15 cards. I am only looking for 10/100 Mbit cards. Do > not even begin to recommend 3com 905 based cards which is the cause of my > headaches currently with Fedora :-). I've taken to using realtek stuff when performance is not critical. The 905 problem is something fedora related, possibly acpi triggered. If you chkconfig kudzu off then your 905 will work fine From notting at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 22:14:00 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:14:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: initscripts-7.42.1-1 Message-ID: <20031117221400.GB12237@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-016 2003-11-17 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : initscripts Version : 7.42.1 Release : 1 Summary : The inittab file and the /etc/init.d scripts. Description : The initscripts package contains the basic system scripts used to boot your Red Hat system, change runlevels, and shut the system down cleanly. Initscripts also contains the scripts that activate and deactivate most network interfaces. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This fixes some xDSL problems, and also gets rid of warning messages from KDE's pty helper while fixing talk and mesg for those logged in on ptys. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Mon Nov 17 2003 Bill Nottingham 7.42.1-1 - fix /dev/pts mounting (#110209) - fix xDSL and other interfaces (#109601) - get rid of ethtool error message from ifup --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/initscripts-7.42.1-1.src.rpm md5 sum: f4418f8b0fc9df8e4f2e82692ece4814 i386/initscripts-7.42.1-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: a2451ec13cbfc929300981d972598e83 i386/debug/initscripts-debuginfo-7.42.1-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: d95105dac6b80241e438fcd151da7dfa This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From len.brown at intel.com Mon Nov 17 22:33:23 2003 From: len.brown at intel.com (Brown, Len) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:33:23 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? Message-ID: > The 905 problem is something fedora related, possibly acpi triggered. I don't see an indication in the bug report that ACPI is enabled for these failures. The entries which show enough dmesg to tell indicate that is is _not_ enabled. If you find it works with acpi=off and fails with acpi=on, please let me know. Thanks, -Len https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98767 From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Nov 17 22:31:29 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:31:29 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311160936.21488.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 17 November 2003 13:32, Lamar Owen wrote: > Show me a 15kRPM SATA drive with the capability to truly know that > the data has hit the platter (essential for journaling filesystems > and ACID compliant databases). Pity. :-) One will probably be > available soone enough, but by that time the 4u 4+TB of hot swap SCSI > will also be a reality. I do believe the 10K RPM SATA drives from Western Digital are capable of that. And what size disk to you expect to use to get 1TB per U? How long has 140~ gig been the upper limit on SCSI disks? How long was it at 73 prior to? Either way thats not the argument. The argument is that certain technologies while not necessary for you may be necessary for your neighboor, and shouldn't be discounted. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Mon Nov 17 22:38:46 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:38:46 -0600 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20031117213042.GA8626@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> <20031117205704.GA5820@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069103885.4563.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031117213042.GA8626@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069108726.4563.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 15:30, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:18:05PM -0600, Marc Schwartz wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 14:57, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:30:47PM +1100, Gawain Lynch wrote: > > > > 1. Is SELinux planed to be included in FC2? > > > > > > Yep! > > > > Really? Wow!! > > Yeah, really. Lots of work to do... > > I'm not making statements about default policy, just technology. Understood... > > Will this be combined with a default offering for an encrypted file > > system? :-) > > Not patching in something that's not upstream, I'm sure of that. When you say upstream, I presume that you are referring to v2.6 kernel support? Marc From jakub at redhat.com Mon Nov 17 22:55:40 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:55:40 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: sed-4.0.8-2 Message-ID: <20031117225539.GA3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2003-015 2003-11-17 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : sed Version : 4.0.8 Release : 2 Summary : A GNU stream text editor. Description : Sed (Stream EDitor) is a stream or batch (non-interactive) editor. Sed takes text as input, performs an operation or set of operations on the text, and outputs the modified text. The operations that sed performs (substitutions, deletions, insertions, etc.) can be specified in a script file or from the command line. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: Sed in Fedora Core 1 (and earlier distributions) was not using fastmap for regular expressions. Fastmap can speed up regular expression searching a lot, in some cases as much as 10 times. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Nov 14 2003 Jakub Jelinek 4.0.8-2 - enable --without-included-regex again - use fastmap for regex searching --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/sed-4.0.8-2.src.rpm md5 sum: 60f3893e55566ddbcc8893f670958684 i386/sed-4.0.8-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: b9e3e156f3e19de3b99ea02a9bd1b782 i386/debug/sed-debuginfo-4.0.8-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: e1ee4346eedee46a4a995625680eab38 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From vze2hw9t at verizon.net Mon Nov 17 23:33:54 2003 From: vze2hw9t at verizon.net (steve higbee) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:33:54 -0500 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates In-Reply-To: <20031117215648.GC11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1068938875.4501.11.camel@jonathan.bearak> <20031117215648.GC11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069112031.3371.4.camel@gallifrey> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 16:56, Alan Cox wrote: > > I had the same exact problem with mozilla and firebird. In my case, it > > had nothing to do with the glibc updates. The problem seemed to be a > > result of my poorly-done changes to my computer's hostname. Have you > > set your hostname recently? > > Same problem here sort of but no hostname change - it now hangs > at the profile selection dialog > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Mozilla is completely screwed since the glib updates,anybody try a re-install or has it become more complicated that that? higgy From riel at redhat.com Tue Nov 18 00:09:55 2003 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:09:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: <1068725748.5926.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: (sorry for the late reply) On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Owen Taylor wrote: > And the question is, what? "Why are you guys slacking off on RH > bugzilla?" Hours in the day, basically. So we can bring you new and > exciting GTK+, Nautilus, D-BUS, whatever features. > > I wouldn't obsess about the *state* of a bug; yes, there is a general > policy that bugs should be moved to NEW => ASSSIGNED, I guess this would be another good task for non-programmer volunteers: 1) determine, together with the reporter of the bug, how the bug can be reproduced 2) try to reproduce the bug with the latest upstream version of the program ==> if fixed upstream, mark the bugzilla with a request that the Fedora package be updated ==> if the bug is not fixed upstream, forward the bug request to the upstream package maintainers (eg the KDE or Gnome bugzilla) 3) if the bug was sent upstream, check on its status once in a while ... when it is fixed, ask the Fedora package maintainer to upgrade to a newer upstream version ;) Some "bug sitting" (baby sitting style) could go a long way towards improving the quality of the software ... -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 18 00:19:50 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:19:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Evolution and libcom_err.so.3 problems.... In-Reply-To: <1069105735.9835.13.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1069105735.9835.13.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> Message-ID: <64929.69.68.37.57.1069114790.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Glen Maeding said: > Did anyone have problem with getting Evolution 1.4.5 with ximian ( > exchange ) connector to run without any problem? Why did you post this to the Fedora-test-list? > So I googled this libcom_err.so.3 Bugzilla would have been a better choice. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102900 > Is there a known > issue on this or is this limited only to Ximian to work this issue out? > If so then will ximian support Fedora anytime in the future or will that > be limited to Redhat Enteprise Linux only? Ximian needs to recompile their plug-in. You'll have to ask them what they plan to support. -- William Hooper From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Tue Nov 18 00:56:40 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: 17 Nov 2003 16:56:40 -0800 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <1069117000.1253.1.camel@forrest-laptop2> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 14:38, Matheesha wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 05:04, Z wrote: > > Works great on mine, except that the Fn key doesn't work. It was a > > *bitch* to make it work in XP as well. > > Are you trying to use the hotkeys for adjusting the volume, brightness > etc..? In Windows, VAIO laptops require some Sony software installed > (somethng like Sony hotkey utils or similar) which install some drivers > that allow these hotkey combinations to work. Correct me if I am wrong > but unless there is a linux equivalent, I doubt you will get this to > work. I have been using a modified sjog rpm that I can post if anyone is interested. It uses the SJog wheel to scroll, and when pressed, you can change the brightness, volume, etc. Forrest From jcsitte at staticnull.org Tue Nov 18 01:26:03 2003 From: jcsitte at staticnull.org (Jonathan C. Sitte) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:26:03 -0500 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1069117000.1253.1.camel@forrest-laptop2> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <1069117000.1253.1.camel@forrest-laptop2> Message-ID: <3FB9752B.9070101@staticnull.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Taylor, ForrestX wrote: | I have been using a modified sjog rpm that I can post if anyone is | interested. It uses the SJog wheel to scroll, and when pressed, you can | change the brightness, volume, etc. One for VAIO laptops without the jog but using Fn keys would be nice too. I think if someone wrote a universal Redhat app for all laptops and their brightness etc would be super. - -- Jonathan C. Sitte Digital Arts & Computer Technology http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/ 917.414.2559 M-F 8AM-10PM Public Key: http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/0x40E69A47-pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uXUrbzreREDmmkcRAjsrAKDoK4/7i3YWTLZynY6FqGeSxOa9VACg6ptd lzI2wYKnMV8CrwsNxOwjAtQ= =MTUC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jcsitte at staticnull.org Tue Nov 18 01:27:55 2003 From: jcsitte at staticnull.org (Jonathan C. Sitte) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:27:55 -0500 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <1069117000.1253.1.camel@forrest-laptop2> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <1069117000.1253.1.camel@forrest-laptop2> Message-ID: <3FB9759B.5090206@staticnull.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Taylor, ForrestX wrote: | I have been using a modified sjog rpm that I can post if anyone is | interested. It uses the SJog wheel to scroll, and when pressed, you can | change the brightness, volume, etc. Right now I am using spicctrl which I have the spec file for FC1. Just download the source and use this spec to build it for your boxen. Here is the link to the source and my spec file: http://spop.free.fr/sonypi/spicctrl-1.6.tar.bz2 - -- Jonathan C. Sitte Digital Arts & Computer Technology http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/ 917.414.2559 M-F 8AM-10PM Public Key: http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/0x40E69A47-pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uXWbbzreREDmmkcRAmvkAKCaYq0Dtf9+YzRsHT9aTDZyyOInrACghWIn IcQKJxp4N8z/y/Dg3wiXRA8= =TyF/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: spicctrl.spec URL: From zleite at mminternet.com Tue Nov 18 05:02:08 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:02:08 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031116165704.GB7375@orient.maison.moi> References: <20031115042749.MWCB406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <20031116165704.GB7375@orient.maison.moi> Message-ID: <1069131728.2361.1.camel@Z> Intel and Tulip chipsets here (intel, netgear, and linksys cards). Never had a single problem whatsoever. On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 08:57, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:24:15AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > > > I use cheapo Dlink 530TX and 530TXS cards and they work > > flawlessly. $12 at staples. 6MB/s+ transfer rates full duplex. > > No problems ever. > > D-Link DFE-538TX over here. Slightly expensive but they work > very well. > > Emmanuel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From zleite at mminternet.com Tue Nov 18 05:12:45 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:12:45 -0800 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <3FB9759B.5090206@staticnull.org> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <1069117000.1253.1.camel@forrest-laptop2> <3FB9759B.5090206@staticnull.org> Message-ID: <1069132365.2361.5.camel@Z> I'll try it, thanks. On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 17:27, Jonathan C. Sitte wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > | I have been using a modified sjog rpm that I can post if anyone is > | interested. It uses the SJog wheel to scroll, and when pressed, you can > | change the brightness, volume, etc. > > Right now I am using spicctrl which I have the spec file for FC1. Just > download the source and use this spec to build it for your boxen. Here > is the link to the source and my spec file: > http://spop.free.fr/sonypi/spicctrl-1.6.tar.bz2 > - -- > Jonathan C. Sitte > Digital Arts & Computer Technology > http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/ > 917.414.2559 M-F 8AM-10PM > > Public Key: http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/0x40E69A47-pubkey.asc > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/uXWbbzreREDmmkcRAmvkAKCaYq0Dtf9+YzRsHT9aTDZyyOInrACghWIn > IcQKJxp4N8z/y/Dg3wiXRA8= > =TyF/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Name: spicctrl > Summary: Sony Vaio SPIC Control Program > Version: 1.6 > Release: 3 > License: GPL > Group: Applications/System > URL: http://popies.net/sonypi/ > Source0: %{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2 > BuildRoot: %{_builddir}/%{name}-root > > %description > This utility allows one to query and set a variety of parameters on your > Sony Vaio laptop computer, including: > > * AC Power status > * Battery status > * Screen brightness > * Bluetooth device power status > > %prep > %setup -q > > %build > make > > %clean > rm -fr %{buildroot} > > %install > rm -fr %{buildroot} > mkdir -p %{buildroot}/usr/sbin > install %{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}/spicctrl %{buildroot}/usr/sbin > > %post > if [ ! -c /dev/sonypi ]; then > rm -f /dev/sonypi > mknod /dev/sonypi c 10 250 > fi > grep 'alias char-major-10-250 sonypi' /etc/modules.conf > /dev/null > RETVAL=$? > if [ $RETVAL -ne 0 ]; then > echo 'alias char-major-10-250 sonypi' >> /etc/modules.conf > echo 'options sonypi minor=250' >> /etc/modules.conf > fi > > %files > %defattr(-,root,root) > /usr/sbin/spicctrl > %doc AUTHORS LICENSE CHANGES > > %changelog > * Sun Nov 16 2003 Jonathan C. Sitte > - Spec file cleanup > > * Sat Nov 15 2003 Jonathan C. Sitte > - Initial spec file From kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com Tue Nov 18 05:21:57 2003 From: kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com (Karl DeBisschop) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:21:57 -0500 Subject: Mozilla hangs after latest glibc updates In-Reply-To: <1069112031.3371.4.camel@gallifrey> References: <1068923388.27678.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1068938875.4501.11.camel@jonathan.bearak> <20031117215648.GC11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069112031.3371.4.camel@gallifrey> Message-ID: <1069132917.5570.27.camel@miles.debisschop.net> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 18:33, steve higbee wrote: > Mozilla is completely screwed since the glib updates,anybody try a > re-install or has it become more complicated that that? FWFW, I have no problems with mozilla after glibc update. -- Karl DeBisschop From nbecker at hns.com Tue Nov 18 19:13:08 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:13:08 -0500 Subject: bugzilla for fedora? Message-ID: <200311181413.08322.nbecker@hns.com> I'm interested in installing bugzilla for local use. Is there any package for fedora? From clemens at dwf.com Tue Nov 18 19:58:06 2003 From: clemens at dwf.com (clemens at dwf.com) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:58:06 -0700 Subject: Where are Fedor 1 Updates ??? Message-ID: <200311181958.hAIJw7lN018958@orion.dwf.com> There USED to be a large number of updates to Fedora on ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/fedora/1/en RPMS. (k12ltsp, stable, testing, unstable, updates) Suddenly they are gone. What I find today is about a dozen files in ftp://ftp.fedora.us/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/i386 are these the 'real' updates, and if so, what was the LONG list of updates I was seeing (and applying) before???? Anyone know what is going on ???? -- Reg.Clemens reg at dwf.com From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Nov 18 21:25:46 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:25:46 +0100 Subject: Where are Fedor 1 Updates ??? In-Reply-To: <200311181958.hAIJw7lN018958@orion.dwf.com> References: <200311181958.hAIJw7lN018958@orion.dwf.com> Message-ID: <20031118222546.4e0a077e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:58:06 -0700, clemens at dwf.com wrote: > There USED to be a large number of updates to Fedora on > ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/fedora/1/en RPMS. (k12ltsp, > stable, testing, unstable, updates) > > Suddenly they are gone. > > What I find today is about a dozen files in > ftp://ftp.fedora.us/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/i386 > > are these the 'real' updates, and if so, what was the LONG list of > updates I was seeing (and applying) before???? > > Anyone know what is going on ???? Yes and no. The former (mirrors.kernel.org) was a mirror of the fedora.us project (http://fedora.us). Simply search for a new mirror. The latter is a mirror of Fedora Core official Updates. (http://download.fedora.redhat.com) -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Nov 18 22:09:18 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:09:18 +0100 Subject: rhn-applet does not list glibc for update Message-ID: <3FBA988E.8070202@gmx.de> hi, rhn-applet does not list glibc for update # rpm -q rhn-applet rhn-applet-2.1.4-2 # rpm -qa | grep glibc glibc-kernheaders-2.4-8.36 glibc-headers-2.3.2-101 glibc-2.3.2-101 glibc-common-2.3.2-101 glibc-devel-2.3.2-101 rhn-applet-tui & rhn-applet-gui: Name Version Release ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- glibc-headers 2.3.2 101.1 glibc-devel 2.3.2 101.1 glibc-common 2.3.2 101.1 up2date --list Name Version Rel ---------------------------------------------------------- glibc 2.3.2 101.1 i686 glibc-common 2.3.2 101.1 i386 glibc-devel 2.3.2 101.1 i386 glibc-headers 2.3.2 101.1 i386 yum check-update Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Name Arch Version Repo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- glibc i686 2.3.2-101.1 updates-released glibc-common i386 2.3.2-101.1 updates-released glibc-devel i386 2.3.2-101.1 updates-released glibc-headers i386 2.3.2-101.1 updates-released -- shrek-m From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Tue Nov 18 23:07:31 2003 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:07:31 +0200 Subject: bug-watch list (was: Re: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069196850.5592.22.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Ma, 2003-11-18 at 02:09, Rik van Riel wrote: > Some "bug sitting" (baby sitting style) could go a long way > towards improving the quality of the software ... Thanks for the advices Rik. Could a mailing list be setup which gets all bug changes? (like it would be CCed to it) I do have bugzilla reports to see bugs changed in last 7 days, but mailing list would be much easier to follow. -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From gmaeding at Kidspeace.org Tue Nov 18 14:54:02 2003 From: gmaeding at Kidspeace.org (Glen Maeding) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:54:02 -0500 Subject: Evolution and libcom_err.so.3 problems.... In-Reply-To: <64929.69.68.37.57.1069114790.squirrel@69.68.37.57> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1069105735.9835.13.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> <64929.69.68.37.57.1069114790.squirrel@69.68.37.57> Message-ID: <1069167241.3522.37.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> William Hooper wrote: > Bugzilla would have been a better choice. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102900 *Nod*, I did search Bugzilla. I just wanted to know if there was a known issue with it or not because i did not see one in Bugzilla related to the specific problem i was experiencing. > Ximian needs to recompile their plug-in. You'll have to ask them what > they plan to support. Another thing, Ximian bascially said they do not support any other later version than they have listed which is stopping at RH 9, no Fedora. Just listing out what I did so that someone could point out if i did the wrong thing or something. I stumbled over this lousy solution and believed it was perhaps some information that needs to be shared, so perhaps several people who have the same configurations like i do maybe able to finally use Ximian Evolution, which by the way comes with Fedora, with the ximian connector in their workspace for the time being until Ximian finds out why its acting like it did in the first place. Also I felt it was relevant to this list because it is happening in Fedora. I read that Fedora, some of it's stuff will be used in Redhat Enterprise Linux WS, so I know this will become an issue. Just putting in my two cents so that if people out there ever run to the same similiar problem, they can do a search and this will come up for them. But again, I could be digging a bigger hole for myself in responding to you. Thank you for pointing out that bugzilla post, interesting. Thanks for your help. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- * -- Glen Maeding * -- MIS Tech @ Kidspeace Inc. * -- Webmaster of MIS-comm, Pdangel.org, and others... * -- E-mail: gmaeding at kidspeace.org * -- Pager e-mail: goik at tmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From zleite at mminternet.com Wed Nov 19 03:54:42 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:54:42 -0800 Subject: FC1 on a VAIO In-Reply-To: <3FB9759B.5090206@staticnull.org> References: <20031108011046.GB19483@e-smith.com> <1068341925.3fad9aa55e164@sages.us> <1068354282.2329.7.camel@Z> <1068590322.2900.6.camel@cpc3-hem12-3-0-cust136.lutn.cable.ntl.com> <1069117000.1253.1.camel@forrest-laptop2> <3FB9759B.5090206@staticnull.org> Message-ID: <1069214082.6281.3.camel@Z> Works fantastically. Many thanks. On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 17:27, Jonathan C. Sitte wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > | I have been using a modified sjog rpm that I can post if anyone is > | interested. It uses the SJog wheel to scroll, and when pressed, you can > | change the brightness, volume, etc. > > Right now I am using spicctrl which I have the spec file for FC1. Just > download the source and use this spec to build it for your boxen. Here > is the link to the source and my spec file: > http://spop.free.fr/sonypi/spicctrl-1.6.tar.bz2 > - -- > Jonathan C. Sitte > Digital Arts & Computer Technology > http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/ > 917.414.2559 M-F 8AM-10PM > > Public Key: http://www.staticnull.org/jcsitte/0x40E69A47-pubkey.asc > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/uXWbbzreREDmmkcRAmvkAKCaYq0Dtf9+YzRsHT9aTDZyyOInrACghWIn > IcQKJxp4N8z/y/Dg3wiXRA8= > =TyF/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Name: spicctrl > Summary: Sony Vaio SPIC Control Program > Version: 1.6 > Release: 3 > License: GPL > Group: Applications/System > URL: http://popies.net/sonypi/ > Source0: %{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2 > BuildRoot: %{_builddir}/%{name}-root > > %description > This utility allows one to query and set a variety of parameters on your > Sony Vaio laptop computer, including: > > * AC Power status > * Battery status > * Screen brightness > * Bluetooth device power status > > %prep > %setup -q > > %build > make > > %clean > rm -fr %{buildroot} > > %install > rm -fr %{buildroot} > mkdir -p %{buildroot}/usr/sbin > install %{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}/spicctrl %{buildroot}/usr/sbin > > %post > if [ ! -c /dev/sonypi ]; then > rm -f /dev/sonypi > mknod /dev/sonypi c 10 250 > fi > grep 'alias char-major-10-250 sonypi' /etc/modules.conf > /dev/null > RETVAL=$? > if [ $RETVAL -ne 0 ]; then > echo 'alias char-major-10-250 sonypi' >> /etc/modules.conf > echo 'options sonypi minor=250' >> /etc/modules.conf > fi > > %files > %defattr(-,root,root) > /usr/sbin/spicctrl > %doc AUTHORS LICENSE CHANGES > > %changelog > * Sun Nov 16 2003 Jonathan C. Sitte > - Spec file cleanup > > * Sat Nov 15 2003 Jonathan C. Sitte > - Initial spec file From bill at noreboots.com Tue Nov 18 15:33:01 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 18 Nov 2003 08:33:01 -0700 Subject: Linksys WCP11 Ver 4 Wireless B Card In-Reply-To: <19373.155.201.35.50.1068153279.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> References: <20031106104419.1289608212.mspencer@evidentdata.com> <16899.155.201.35.50.1068145231.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> <1068147233.3107.68.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <19373.155.201.35.50.1068153279.squirrel@www.tamparacing.com> Message-ID: <1069169581.769.100.camel@locutus> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 14:14, Zate wrote: > > > > You won't get that card working with standard Fedora Core, as there is > > currently not an open source driver. I understand there may be binary > > drivers available from Realtek, but I don't know how well or if they > > work. The other alternative is to contact Linksys and trade it for a > > version 3 card, which uses the Prism-II chipset and works fine in Linux. > > > > --Jeremy > > Thanks Jeremy. I contacted Linksys support and they claim they dont > support linux at all, and wont for this card - period. Which is obviously > wrong, the Ver3 card is supported, but I guess it means my Ver4 cardis > useless. When I bought mine there was a piece of paper in the box that said it doesn't work on NT and several otehr devices, so I could get a new one. Check your box. That said, go to www.linuxquestions.org and search for it, there are many threads there (I'm known as ucntcme there, you can search for that too) > Anyone know of any wireless cards that are 100% supported, and will > continue to be supported ? Lucent Orinoco Gold, can't seem to go wrong with them. So far they stick with a single chipset (exercise for the user: Why?. :^) ) Cheers, Bill -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Nov 19 05:26:35 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:26:35 -0500 Subject: Bug Day 6: Doin' the Configure Tool Cha-Cha Message-ID: <1069219595.8223.51.camel@goober.localdomain> Nov. 19, 2003 Bug Day Topic: Bug squashing for the redhat-config-* packages That's right...tomorrow is another bug day!!!!! But this time its official, bug days now get a passing mention at: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/ Little birdies have told me, that certain people are agitating for a chance to get their hands dirty working with some of the config tools. So why not start by first trying to get a handle on all the open bugs that are sitting in bugzilla right now and close as many as possible. And if your lucky...there might even be a bug that you can dig into and submit a patch for. And, hopefully people will be standing by in #fedora-bugs on the Freenode.net irc network to help you if you have any questions on how to master bugzilla diving. Here's a pre-built query showing all the open bugs for the redhat-config-* tools: http://tinyurl.com/vmh2 A Note. Please try to use the formatted triage->reason syntax when annotating bug reports ( http://www.fedora.us/wiki/TriageComment ). Example if you find an old unresolved bug report that is clearly fixed in the current release, please add the comment "triage->currentrelease" If you are unsure which reason is most appropriate, stop into #fedora-bug irc channel and ask for assistance. A second note. Just as a reminder, it might be good to glance over the wiki for the Fedora Triage effort: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraTriage In other news..... Fedora.us is still in great need for community members to do QA. There are 280+ packages waiting for QA ( http://www.fedora.us/QA ). Please read http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy and get involved in the community QA process on the community submitted packages. So please take a look over the list of packs in the QA list, and see if there are packages there you want to see published..pick one..and pitch in to the QA process for the package you love. In other, other news.... Paul Nasrat is working on hacking up some example code to interface with the xmlrpc interface to bugzilla. I'll let him fill you in on the details when he's ready to show off his mad skills. But i mention it here because, I hope his experimental tools are something that can become the basis for ease-of-use tools to work with bugzilla to do triage and fedora.us(or extras/alternatives) package submit/QA down the road. Since tomorrow(err i mean today) is config tool bughunt day...i thought it appropriately ironic to mention that I'm hoping for a config tool just to help do bughunting. -jef"it just wouldn't be right...if a can of whoopass cola..tasted good"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Nov 19 06:00:24 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:00:24 -0500 Subject: frustration: mailing lists and bugzilla reports Message-ID: <1069221623.8223.70.camel@goober.localdomain> Owen Taylor wrote: > In the ideal world, we'd never ship a release with any ShouldFix > bugs still open. We certainly don't always achieve that. Perhaps for > FC2, some external people can help nag on ShouldFix bugs. It really > does help a lot if somebody posts a list of FYI, http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraTriage Fedora Triage is experimenting with a couple of easy to use ways for community members to deal with organizing bugzilla bugs so developers can build reasonable queries. First there are public tracker bugs like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=109188 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109188 Second trying to use a common syntax comment string 'triage->reason' to annotate bugs with searchable queries http://www.fedora.us/wiki/TriageComment example: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109827 Some pre-built queries against these strings are at: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/CannedQueries These of course are very simple experiments on how to use the existing bugzilla system so community knowledge can be a resource to help developers quickly find lists of bugs. My personal wishlist is to have very granular editting permissions so different grades 'trusted' community members can get different levels of editting access so that 'trusted' community members can do some of the more day-to-day QA tasks. Also on my wishlist is a new triage oriented whiteboard space that can hold the triage->reason strings. Putting them in comments, is not the best solution. I'd rather have a whiteboard like space for community triage comments that can be re-written and can be controlled under a fine-grained editting permissions...to prevent abuse and to make it easy for honest triage comment mistakes to be erased. I would appreciate feedback from package maintainers about how much value they are getting out of the public trackers and the triage comment strings, as query tools. -jef"sure..doing this sort of triage without bugzilla editting rights is like sword fighting with both hands tied behind your back...but having sharp pointy teeth helps a little"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Nov 19 07:55:46 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:55:46 -0500 Subject: postfix update? Message-ID: <1069228545.4826.25.camel@binkley> Hi, Saw a postfix update come up in yum for testing-updates. Didn't see a post here though. Thought I'd fill in some details: * Mon Nov 17 2003 John Dennis 2:2.0.16-1 - sync up with current upstream release, 2.0.16, fixes bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108960 summary of bug: postfix has a bug preventing use with (among others) MH, pine just a heads up. -sv From michalz at olomouc.com Wed Nov 19 10:16:55 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:16:55 +0100 Subject: syslog full of ppp messages Message-ID: <3FBB4317.8080002@olomouc.com> Hi, I still can't configure syslog properly on FC1. Dmesg show me a lot of something like this: ABORTED IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=148.64.152.132 DST=213.210.175.85 LEN=56 TOS=0x18 PREC=0x00 TTL=29 ID=64083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=14646 DPT=5268 SEQ=1695786506 ACK=508020785 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=72 I'm using asdl modem on eth0, but I didn't find config flag to disable this messages. These are listing to virtual console also. Very tiring. Don't you know where I can disable this messages? thanx michalz From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Wed Nov 19 11:55:34 2003 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:34 +0100 Subject: syslog full of ppp messages In-Reply-To: <3FBB4317.8080002@olomouc.com> References: <3FBB4317.8080002@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <1069242934.4157.13.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> Am Mi, den 19.11.2003 schrieb Michal Zeravik um 11:16: > Hi, > > I still can't configure syslog properly on FC1. > Dmesg show me a lot of something like this: > ABORTED IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=148.64.152.132 DST=213.210.175.85 LEN=56 > TOS=0x18 PREC=0x00 TTL=29 ID=64083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=14646 DPT=5268 > SEQ=1695786506 ACK=508020785 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=72 > I'm using asdl modem on eth0, but I didn't find config flag to disable > this messages. > These are listing to virtual console also. Very tiring. > Don't you know where I can disable this messages? > > thanx > michalz It's obviously no kdebugging of the ppp daemon. You should simply configure your iptables settings to not log these events. Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany PGP key valid: made 13.07.1999 PGP fingerprint: 2307 88FD 2D41 038E 7416 14CD E197 6E88 ED69 5653 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Very tiring. > Don't you know where I can disable this messages? > > thanx > michalz > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Sanjeewa. ------------------------------------------------- [ VIP mail ] http://www.viplanka.com From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 19 13:55:35 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:55:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Evolution and libcom_err.so.3 problems.... In-Reply-To: <1069167241.3522.37.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> References: <200311171038.59668.czar@czarc.net> <20031117204633.GH794@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311171606.45123.czar@czarc.net> <200311171320.08342.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1069105735.9835.13.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> <64929.69.68.37.57.1069114790.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <1069167241.3522.37.camel@jburkos.kidspeace.org> Message-ID: <1491.12.29.16.103.1069250135.squirrel@12.29.16.103> Glen Maeding said: > Also I felt it was relevant to this list because it is happening in > Fedora. But nothing to do with a Fedora Test canidate or testing packages. Please take general Fedora issues to the fedora-list. -- William Hooper From jorton at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 14:29:48 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:29:48 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: php-4.3.4-1.1 Message-ID: <20031119142948.GA1965@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-005 2003-11-19 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : php Version : 4.3.4 Release : 1.1 Summary : The PHP HTML-embedded scripting language. (PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor) Description : PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. PHP attempts to make it easy for developers to write dynamically generated webpages. PHP also offers built-in database integration for several commercial and non-commercial database management systems, so writing a database-enabled webpage with PHP is fairly simple. The most common use of PHP coding is probably as a replacement for CGI scripts. The mod_php module enables the Apache Web server to understand and process the embedded PHP language in Web pages. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update includes the latest stable release of PHP 4 with a large number of bug fixes since the previous 4.3.3 release. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Mon Nov 10 2003 Joe Orton 4.3.4-1.1 - rebuild for FC1 updates * Mon Nov 10 2003 Joe Orton 4.3.4-1 - update to 4.3.4 - include all licence files - libxmlrpc fixes --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/php-4.3.4-1.1.src.rpm md5 sum: 2d89453589faf321cb2fda3cfaa688d0 i386/php-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 807f1d86ce8c882ec067cc3de577d601 i386/php-devel-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 2308fe9db6d28f810a175c2a43dcb2f9 i386/php-imap-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 363780faf947fd525b8c4259219ad6cb i386/php-ldap-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 9b1ce0c1f145ece8d0f4f3b14336eafc i386/php-mysql-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 9743abb7be63d9b87545724962a912ef i386/php-pgsql-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 82bcd4a7c2845cc6f56950d1174095a7 i386/php-odbc-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 0981f69bf5a135fbca8b66c429439f4b i386/php-snmp-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: cd0d3d11ac7cebde8da9e4938523ab27 i386/php-domxml-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: dee009be5ce123e01df587b86d571ae5 i386/php-xmlrpc-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: b84bf68d9e6c87d1180d35dfd50725bd i386/debug/php-debuginfo-4.3.4-1.1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 33ab7c44e9a277e92c4567abea5b32aa This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From jorton at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 15:39:12 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:39:12 +0000 Subject: php updates in testing In-Reply-To: <1068787396.7196.162.camel@binkley> References: <1068787396.7196.162.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20031119153912.GA2691@redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:23:17AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > Yo, > What's the story on the php updates in testing? > > I didn't see that announce go across the list. I've sent out the notification mail now, thanks for the reminder! joe From jbinpg at shaw.ca Wed Nov 19 15:46:43 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:46:43 -0800 Subject: syslog full of ppp messages In-Reply-To: <3FBB4317.8080002@olomouc.com> References: <3FBB4317.8080002@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <20031119154643.GB16547@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:16:55AM +0100, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Hi, > > I still can't configure syslog properly on FC1. > Dmesg show me a lot of something like this: > ABORTED IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=148.64.152.132 DST=213.210.175.85 LEN=56 > TOS=0x18 PREC=0x00 TTL=29 ID=64083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=14646 DPT=5268 > SEQ=1695786506 ACK=508020785 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=72 > I'm using asdl modem on eth0, but I didn't find config flag to disable > this messages. > These are listing to virtual console also. Very tiring. > Don't you know where I can disable this messages? If you do not want to disable logging in your iptables rules, you can kill the output to the console by issuing "dmesg -n 1" (no quotes). this will kill all output except kernel panic messages. Something to try anyway. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From jorton at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 16:36:16 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:36:16 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: httpd-2.0.48-1.2 Message-ID: <20031119163616.GA3047@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-004 2003-11-19 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : httpd Version : 2.0.48 Release : 1.2 Summary : Apache HTTP Server Description : Apache is a powerful, full-featured, efficient, and freely-available Web server. Apache is also the most popular Web server on the Internet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update includes the latest stable release of Apache httpd 2.0, including a fix for the security issue CVE CAN-2003-0542, a buffer overflow in the parsing of configuration files. (The update has been amended to fix a problem which occurs if a running server is SIGHUPped before being completely restarted after applying the update) --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Nov 19 2003 Joe Orton 2.0.48-1.2 - bug fix for #110184 * Tue Oct 28 2003 Joe Orton 2.0.48-1.1 - update to 2.0.48 (#108608, thanks to Robert Scheck) - includes security fix for CVE CAN-2003-0542 - reinstate mpm_common.h (#108080) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/httpd-2.0.48-1.2.src.rpm md5 sum: bca8a254280373629cfc6bb299289527 i386/httpd-2.0.48-1.2.i386.rpm md5 sum: dd3bc35c34a87ca07170a78ac699f18c i386/httpd-devel-2.0.48-1.2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 13086f576313db4b22a585b0f7148caa i386/httpd-manual-2.0.48-1.2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 7b2daa2f2cc0f3d9d7de6875e1a9e2ba i386/mod_ssl-2.0.48-1.2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 6d27fdd67c2732ffd7e61342940965be i386/debug/httpd-debuginfo-2.0.48-1.2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 215ae4e114514a171e2c7f5ea685c286 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 19 17:13:49 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:13:49 -0500 Subject: KDE 3.1.93 for Fedora spotted In-Reply-To: <1069256851.25331.2.camel@blah.silicondairy.net> References: <200311172112.50648.dave@sasdatalink.com> <1069136684.2210.14.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1069256851.25331.2.camel@blah.silicondairy.net> Message-ID: <200311191213.49056.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:47, Shane DeRidder wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 01:24, Mike Chambers wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 23:12, Dave Thomas wrote: > > > Most KDE mirrors dont have it yet....its pretty fresh. I am dl'ing it > > > now to give it a try. > > > > Fedora Core 1 already contains 3.1.4, doesn't it? > > Yes, but 3.1.93 is the pre-3.2 version. I tested 3.1.93 back on RH9. It looks really sweet, but there are enough annoying bugs that you probably don't want to overwrite your kde3.1 installation with this. From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 17:19:28 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:19:28 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: redhat-config-printer-0.6.79.2-1 Message-ID: <20031119171928.GQ9702@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-011 2003-11-19 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : redhat-config-printer Version : 0.6.79.2 Release : 1 Summary : A printer configuration backend/frontend combination. Description : The printconf utility is a printer configuration and filtration system based on magicfilter (the alchemist data library) and the foomatic filter system. It rebuilds local print configuration and spool directories from data sources at lpd init time, and is integrated to use the multi-sourced features of the alchemist data library. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: Packages fixing a bug concerning printer sharing in the Printing configuration tool are now available. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Nov 19 2003 Tim Waugh 0.6.79.2-1 - 0.6.79.2: - Another attempt to fix bug #109942. * Thu Nov 13 2003 Tim Waugh 0.6.79.1-1 - 0.6.79.1: - More sharing fixes (bug #109942). --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/redhat-config-printer-0.6.79.2-1.src.rpm md5 sum: dabfa63bd4f8103aeae870af0a6e4fd9 i386/redhat-config-printer-0.6.79.2-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: f4be74616f31120cedd518ce3eda3f01 i386/redhat-config-printer-gui-0.6.79.2-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 130df8e28eee61bd93de5454e7f43d53 i386/debug/redhat-config-printer-debuginfo-0.6.79.2-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 54f3c3d652aa5290fced0ad321e7a281 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a nice life, Luis > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -> To change > your subscription (set options like digest and delivery modes, get a > reminder of your password, or unsubscribe from fedora-test-list), enter > your subscription email address: > found at the bottom of the page > > Alexander > > > -- > Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany > PGP key valid: made 13.07.1999 > PGP fingerprint: 2307 88FD 2D41 038E 7416 14CD E197 6E88 ED69 5653 > From lowen at pari.edu Wed Nov 19 18:33:13 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:33:13 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200311191333.13049.lowen@pari.edu> On Monday 17 November 2003 05:31 pm, Jesse Keating wrote: > And what size disk to you expect to use to get 1TB per U? How long has > 140~ gig been the upper limit on SCSI disks? It isn't. Seagate has a 182MB SCSI disk. Although it's only 7200RPM. (models ST1181677LCV and LWV) > The argument is that > certain technologies while not necessary for you may be necessary for > your neighboor, and shouldn't be discounted. I figured you'd get the fact that I was continuing your line of thought on that... SATA seems like a good inside the box disk option. Cabling is certainly a big plus, although I question the need for Yet Another Power Connector. For outside the box and really big arrays fibre channel is the clear winner in terms of performance and capacity, with arrays being able to be split amongst different towns if need be (given that they're within a few km of each other). But SCSI still has its advantages for many things. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 19 18:44:51 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:44:51 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311191333.13049.lowen@pari.edu> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200311191333.13049.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:33, Lamar Owen wrote: > It isn't. Seagate has a 182MB SCSI disk. Although it's only > 7200RPM. (models ST1181677LCV and LWV) Ah, I hadn't seen that model. > > The argument is that > > certain technologies while not necessary for you may be necessary > > for your neighboor, and shouldn't be discounted. > > I figured you'd get the fact that I was continuing your line of > thought on that... Yep, I almost missed that fact (; > SATA seems like a good inside the box disk option. Cabling is > certainly a big plus, although I question the need for Yet Another > Power Connector. For outside the box and really big arrays fibre > channel is the clear winner in terms of performance and capacity, > with arrays being able to be split amongst different towns if need be > (given that they're within a few km of each other). But SCSI still > has its advantages for many things. I also question the need, but it is a rather moot point when dealing with hotswap backplanes. I tend to agree with your assessment up to a point. Large SATA servers (16disks in a 3u chassis) are becoming one of our hottest items for sale. Seems to fit the bill if quite a few customers who need big storage, but can't afford the big cost of fibre channel. Mostly these are companies who don't have an office in another town (; I do also agree though, that SCSI has advantages for many things, but isn't the clear winner for everything. No technology that I've seen is perfect for everybody for everything. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From john at cepros.com Wed Nov 19 19:21:00 2003 From: john at cepros.com (John P. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:21:00 -0900 Subject: Fedora Core HCL... Message-ID: All, Is there an HCL for Fedora Core? If not, I think this would be valuable for everyone involved with the project, as well as future users. I am even volunteering to work on it. I have several machines to seed the HCL database with, as well as a bunch of fairly recent parts that I could run through some test cases. Regards, John P. Mitchell Email Sticker: My Boss is a Jewish carpenter http://www.GoboLinux.org | User #00010110 From dsavage at peaknet.net Wed Nov 19 19:28:57 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:28:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200311191333.13049.lowen@pari.edu> <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Wednesday November 19, 2003 Jesse Keating wrote: > I do also agree though, that SCSI has advantages for many things, but > isn't the clear winner for everything. No technology that I've seen is > perfect for everybody for everything. Jesse, AFAIK, SCSI is still the only hard drive interface that supports low level formatting. I can't tell you the number of IDE/EIDE hard drives I've had to throw away over the years because power failures during write ops that corrupt sector headers. Some later model EIDE drives can map those "bad" spots away, but only SCSI allows you to repair that damage by laying down new sectors, headers, gaps, etc. There are only two types of EIDE server drive users: those who have already had massive data loss, and those waiting for it to happen. Anyone betting their business on big cheap EIDE drives rather than SCSI better have (and religiously use) first class tape backup systems. They're gonna need 'em because the failure rates for EIDE drives used in 24/7 servers are between two to three orders of magnitude higher than SCSI. We return you now to your regularly scheduled programming... --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 19:34:46 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 19 Nov 2003 17:34:46 -0200 Subject: unsubscribe me In-Reply-To: <44372.148.223.46.10.1069266253.squirrel@www3.cimav.edu.mx> References: <43523.148.223.46.10.1069263596.squirrel@www3.cimav.edu.mx> <1069265328.4286.9.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> <44372.148.223.46.10.1069266253.squirrel@www3.cimav.edu.mx> Message-ID: On Nov 19, 2003, luis.licon at cimav.edu.mx wrote: > Thanks, I will do it immediately. >> Am Mi, den 19.11.2003 schrieb luis.licon at cimav.edu.mx um 18:39: >>> please unsubscribe >> >> You must do it yourself. Don't you read the footer of each mail of the >> list? > Obviously I do not read the footer of each e-mail, and obviosuly you have > no common sense. Strange as it may seem, you won't incite people to help you get off the list with such behavior, unless your behavior gets much worse than that :-) Now be a good netizen and follow the instructions on the URL below to get off the list. > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Take care, -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Wed Nov 19 19:48:05 2003 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:48:05 +0000 Subject: unsubscribe me In-Reply-To: <44372.148.223.46.10.1069266253.squirrel@www3.cimav.edu.mx> References: <43523.148.223.46.10.1069263596.squirrel@www3.cimav.edu.mx> <1069265328.4286.9.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> <44372.148.223.46.10.1069266253.squirrel@www3.cimav.edu.mx> Message-ID: <1069271285.15063.489.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 18:24, luis.licon at cimav.edu.mx wrote: > Thanks, I will do it immediately. > > > Am Mi, den 19.11.2003 schrieb luis.licon at cimav.edu.mx um 18:39: > >> please unsubscribe > > > > You must do it yourself. Don't you read the footer of each mail of the > > list? > > Obviously I do not read the footer of each e-mail, and obviosuly you have > no common sense. > And hopefully, you don't have to read the footer of EVERY email, but one would have done. Either that or read the email you were sent when you subscribed. Doug From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 19 19:44:54 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:44:54 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <200311191144.54391.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:28, dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > Anyone > betting their business on big cheap EIDE drives rather than SCSI > better have (and religiously use) first class tape backup systems. > They're gonna need 'em because the failure rates for EIDE drives used > in 24/7 servers are between two to three orders of magnitude higher > than SCSI. The businesses that purchase from us use hardware raid with their big cheap IDE drives, most often raid 5 or raid 10, most often with hot spares in the chassis as well. Given that SATA is hotswap, disk outages don't result in system outages, taking away yet another advantage that SCSI has. Given the reliability of these "cheap big EIDE servers" vs the cost of a SCSI system providing the same capacity, it's no wonder people are making the switch. The price difference is somewhere in the 8 orders of magnitude. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From lowen at pari.edu Wed Nov 19 19:55:08 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:55:08 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <200311191455.08128.lowen@pari.edu> On Wednesday 19 November 2003 02:28 pm, dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > AFAIK, SCSI is still the only hard drive interface that supports low level > formatting. I can't tell you the number of IDE/EIDE hard drives I've had > to throw away over the years because power failures during write ops that > corrupt sector headers. Some later model EIDE drives can map those "bad" > spots away, but only SCSI allows you to repair that damage by laying down > new sectors, headers, gaps, etc. Toshiba, Fujitsu, Maxtor, Seagate, Western Digital, et al, provide low level format utilities that will do exactly what you want. I have a Maxtor/Quantum (Maxtor bought out Quantum, and low end Maxtors might be relabeled Quantums) 60GB drive that had that problem. Using the Maxtor low leveller fixed it right up. This drive had been in a drive sled that had power connector issues; it was spinning up and down every few seconds. As to losing data through power corruptions, if your SCSI drive is in the middle of a write, and power fails in such a way that writing current is still on as the head goes over embedded servo data (as all currently available drives use), then it's going to be unusable just like the IDE drive, because a servowriter must be used to get that data back, regardless of drive interface type. As to the use of 'is still the only,' ESDI and MFM drives historically did low level formats. IDE is just the MFM/RLL/ESDI controller wrapped up onto the drive electronics board, and many older IDE drives support the same low level command. Zone Bit Recording drives, OTOH, have to have a special program to do the job, or, in the case of Conner drives, a special hardware fixture was used, and Conner drives of that vintage truly cannot be software low levelled. But, then again, just because you issue the format unit command to a SCSI drive does not mean that drive has to honor it. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 20:04:35 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:04:35 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200311191333.13049.lowen@pari.edu> <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <20031119200435.GA22080@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > AFAIK, SCSI is still the only hard drive interface that supports low level > formatting. I can't tell you the number of IDE/EIDE hard drives I've had > to throw away over the years because power failures during write ops that > corrupt sector headers. Some later model EIDE drives can map those "bad" > spots away, but only SCSI allows you to repair that damage by laying down > new sectors, headers, gaps, etc. Most SCSI drives can't do that either. The tools needed to do it are just too complex to embed in the drive. > There are only two types of EIDE server drive users: those who have s/EIDE server// Disks fail. Reliability MTBF values vary by price of disk, but not because of the interface. A 15000 rpm SATA2 drive with SCSI grade reliability is going to cost SCSI like prices, but the controller is going to be a lot cheaper, as are the cables From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 19 20:30:34 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:30:34 +0100 Subject: rhn-applet does not list glibc for update In-Reply-To: <3FBA988E.8070202@gmx.de> References: <3FBA988E.8070202@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3FBBD2EA.4020501@gmx.de> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > rhn-applet does not list glibc for update happened only on this system (perhaps only on this fedora-installation) nforce1, athlon xp1800+ not on other sytems i had tested. sorry -- shrek-m From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Wed Nov 19 20:35:25 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:35:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031119200435.GA22080@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > > AFAIK, SCSI is still the only hard drive interface that supports low level > >... > > new sectors, headers, gaps, etc. > > Most SCSI drives can't do that either. The tools needed to do it are just > too complex to embed in the drive. I don't think you can do only a sector at a time or something, but SCSI contains a command to tell the drive to "low-level format itself", that supposedly does defect checking, etc. (and takes a very long time), which I used to use. I never had a drive not support it, I just later found out that it wasn't normally needed. -- noah silva From dsavage at peaknet.net Wed Nov 19 20:39:46 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:39:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311191144.54391.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> <200311191144.54391.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <28800.140.175.214.37.1069274386.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Wednesday November 19, 2003 Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:28, dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: >> Anyone >> betting their business on big cheap EIDE drives rather than SCSI >> better have (and religiously use) first class tape backup systems. >> They're gonna need 'em because the failure rates for EIDE drives used >> in 24/7 servers are between two to three orders of magnitude higher >> than SCSI. > > Given the reliability of these "cheap big EIDE servers" vs the cost of a > SCSI system providing the same capacity, it's no wonder people are > making the switch. The price difference is somewhere in the 8 orders > of magnitude. Jesse, Order of magnitude = integer power of 10 The MTBF for SCSI drives is typically 100-1000 (2-3 OoM) times greater than EIDE. Incidentally, this has very little to do with the I/O interface. SCSI drives are designed to run indefinitely at 100% duty cycles. They're engineered to much tighter tolerances and fabricated from far more durable materials than your typical mass market EIDE drive. If these new SATA drives are truly intended for 24/7 server use, I would expect them to be as expensive as SCSI. On the other hand, if they're really just EIDE with a new plug, then you'd have to be crazy to build SATA RAID arrays without features like automatic failover sparing. When you surround a drive with that kind of technology, much of its cost advantage would evaporate. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From lowen at pari.edu Wed Nov 19 20:51:55 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:51:55 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20031117215054.GA11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> <20031117215054.GA11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311191551.55139.lowen@pari.edu> On Monday 17 November 2003 04:50 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > > Show me a 15kRPM SATA drive with the capability to truly know that the > > data has hit the platter (essential for journaling filesystems and ACID > > compliant databases). Pity. :-) One will probably be available soone > > enough, but by that time the 4u 4+TB of hot swap SCSI will also be a > > reality. > SATA can support read cache only and multiple outstanding commands so its > as happy at that as scsi. It's not read cache only that is the issue. It's the idea that when the application tells the kernel 'don't return until the data has hit the disk' that the kernel can tell the drive 'get back to me when the data has hit the disk' and the drive then can notify the kernel of that fact while still processing other reads and writes without messing up a nice elevator, but keeping the writes in the order given. I (being the PostgreSQL backend, for instance) must be able to be sure that what I have written to the disk is actually written to the disk in the order I specified. What is needed is the full FUA extensions slated for ATA-7. In the case of PostgreSQL, it is urgent that the WAL gets written before the actual data page on the disk. See http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0304.1/0450.html for the actual text of what the Maxtor guy had to say. And I _love_ your reply. SCSI disks can do this. Fibre channel disks can do this. ATA disks can't yet do this, and older ATA disks won't do this. Tagged Command Queuing is part of the picture, but just part. I have to be sure my write ahead log is actually written ahead of the data page, or the advantages of WAL are lost; and, in fact, having a WAL that is out of sync with the data is worse than no WAL at all. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From veillard at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 21:09:52 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:09:52 -0500 Subject: rhn-applet does not list glibc for update In-Reply-To: <3FBBD2EA.4020501@gmx.de> References: <3FBA988E.8070202@gmx.de> <3FBBD2EA.4020501@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20031119210952.GF757@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:30:34PM +0100, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >rhn-applet does not list glibc for update > > > happened only on this system (perhaps only on this fedora-installation) > nforce1, athlon xp1800+ > not on other sytems i had tested. > > sorry No problem, this can be explained by the following code extract from the YUM support of rhn-applet: def __check_architecture(self, n, a): score = rpm.archscore(a) if score <= 0: return 0 if n == 'kernel' or n == 'kernel-smp' or n == 'kernel-uml' or \ n == 'kernel-unsupported' or n == 'glibc': if score != 1: return 0 return 1 Basically I don't want to misinstall a glibc compiled for i386 on an i686, rpm.archscore() returning 1 means that it's the closest architecture matching possible, i386 won't match on an i686, but also i686 won't match on an athlon ... That's where some distro specific informations starts hitting package dependancy resolvers and in a limited way the applet... Please bugzilla this, I will need to get this fixed the proper way, somehow I'm afraid that this can become messy on x86_64 for example. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From alan at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 21:23:12 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:23:12 -0500 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <200311191551.55139.lowen@pari.edu> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171632.45235.lowen@pari.edu> <20031117215054.GA11182@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311191551.55139.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <20031119212312.GB26723@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 03:51:55PM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote: > It's not read cache only that is the issue. It's the idea that when the > application tells the kernel 'don't return until the data has hit the disk' > that the kernel can tell the drive 'get back to me when the data has hit the > disk' and the drive then can notify the kernel of that fact while still Thats read cache only + TCQ > processing other reads and writes without messing up a nice elevator, but > keeping the writes in the order given. I (being the PostgreSQL backend, for > instance) must be able to be sure that what I have written to the disk is > actually written to the disk in the order I specified. TCQ is in ATA6 in some SATA drives. > What is needed is the full FUA extensions slated for ATA-7. In the case of > PostgreSQL, it is urgent that the WAL gets written before the actual data > page on the disk. See > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0304.1/0450.html for the actual > text of what the Maxtor guy had to say. Yeah. I spent quite a bit of time talking with drive vendors. The drives have metadata and in essence nowdays its a storage appliance with a file system and the whole works on it. In fact if you put a modern disk drive in an old PC its quite possible the PC is the slower CPU. To get back on topic 2.4 SATA layer over SCSI (eg Promise drivers) do know how to use TCQ and controller level queueing so can make good use of the drives that have it. The parallel IDE in 2.4 kernels can't so it may be a 2.6 feature (FC2) although PATA TCQ is so mindbogglingly screwball its a very good candidate for "never" Alan From jkeating at j2solutions.net Wed Nov 19 21:32:53 2003 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:32:53 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <28800.140.175.214.37.1069274386.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311191144.54391.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <28800.140.175.214.37.1069274386.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <200311191332.57564.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:39, dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > Order of magnitude = integer power of 10 Right, price me out a server that can provide for ~3.5TB of storage in a 3u space, with hotswap/hotspare capability, hardware raid, and it has to be SCSI, add in redundant powersupply unit for the chassis as well. Does it come in under $13K? I bet it doesn't. My SATA system does. > The MTBF for SCSI drives is typically 100-1000 (2-3 OoM) times > greater than EIDE. Incidentally, this has very little to do with the > I/O interface. SCSI drives are designed to run indefinitely at 100% > duty cycles. They're engineered to much tighter tolerances and > fabricated from far more durable materials than your typical mass > market EIDE drive. This is not disputed. > If these new SATA drives are truly intended for 24/7 server use, I > would expect them to be as expensive as SCSI. Yes, there are some disks being built this way, notably the Western Digital Raptor SATA drives. 10Krpm built like SCSI, but with a SATA controller on it. And yes, prices are close for the disk, the money saved is on the controller. But the Raptor drives are only at 36gig and soon 73gig capacity. Again you loose in the capacity game. >On the other hand, if > they're really just EIDE with a new plug, then you'd have to be crazy > to build SATA RAID arrays without features like automatic failover > sparing. When you surround a drive with that kind of technology, much > of its cost advantage would evaporate. Not even. Hardware SATA raid cards that support hotspare failover are far cheaper than SCSI alternatives. A 3ware 8506-12 (12 port SATA hardware raid) is somewhere around $700~800. The 8 port version ( we use two in our server to get you 16 drives) is around $500~. Far cheaper than the alternatives, considering that each disk gets it's own port. Throwing money at SCSI just because it's SCSI isn't exactly a very good business practice when you can save quite a bit of $$ by going with SATA systems, given the proper redundancy built around it. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy) Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From dgenn at rogers.com Wed Nov 19 23:05:36 2003 From: dgenn at rogers.com (DanG) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:05:36 -0500 Subject: RPM .spec package building- current docs? Message-ID: <20031119230542.CHZE406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Hi folks can people give me some info or links to the latest docs for building src and binary rpm packages. I'd like to learn how to build my own RPMs. I'd like a current doc on spec file variables and functions. I already have Maximum RPM and the rpm howto. Also any links to any build-tools or scripts for building RPMs would be great. I remember seeing some build environment tools for setting up a non-root build structure for users to build rpms. Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net Wed Nov 19 23:20:33 2003 From: thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:20:33 +0100 Subject: RPM .spec package building- current docs? In-Reply-To: <20031119230542.CHZE406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> References: <20031119230542.CHZE406311.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <20031120002033.2d19d795.thias@spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net> DanG wrote : > Hi folks can people give me some info or links to the latest docs for > building src and binary rpm packages. I'd like to learn how to build my > own RPMs. I'd like a current doc on spec file variables and functions. I > already have Maximum RPM and the rpm howto. Also any links to any > build-tools or scripts for building RPMs would be great. I remember > seeing some build environment tools for setting up a non-root build > structure for users to build rpms. Well, you could have a quick glance at my "Fight" document if you already have the basics wrto rpm usage. Also, peeking at existing spec files is the perfect complement to Maximum RPM for learning... all mine are available. http://freshrpms.net/docs/fight/ http://freshrpms.net/packages/builds/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl Load : 0.14 0.35 0.36 From maxka at myrealbox.com Thu Nov 20 08:23:23 2003 From: maxka at myrealbox.com (Maxwell Kanat-Alexander) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:23:23 -0800 Subject: Fedora Core HCL... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069316603.3341.8.camel@max.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 11:21, John P. Mitchell wrote: > All, > > Is there an HCL for Fedora Core? See Check out the "Hardware Database" thread in particular. I wrote a summary of all the ideas we generated: If that link stops working suddenly, email me and I'll send you that HTML. -Max From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Nov 20 09:10:39 2003 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:10:39 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core HCL... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069319438.15063.1076.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> Pardon my ignorance. What is a HCL? Hardware Conformity list? :) Doug On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 19:21, John P. Mitchell wrote: > All, > > Is there an HCL for Fedora Core? If not, I think this would be valuable for everyone involved with the project, as > well as future users. I am even volunteering to work on it. I have several machines to seed the HCL database with, as > well as a bunch of fairly recent parts that I could run through some test cases. > > Regards, > John P. Mitchell > Email Sticker: My Boss is a Jewish carpenter > http://www.GoboLinux.org | User #00010110 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dnrlinux at san.rr.com Thu Nov 20 18:51:45 2003 From: dnrlinux at san.rr.com (Don) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:51:45 -0800 Subject: Fedora Core HCL... In-Reply-To: <1069319438.15063.1076.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Douglas Furlong > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:11 AM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Fedora Core HCL... > > > Pardon my ignorance. > > What is a HCL? Hardware Conformity list? :) You're on the right track.... Hardware Compatibility List. From sct at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 11:27:03 2003 From: sct at redhat.com (Stephen C. Tweedie) Date: 20 Nov 2003 11:27:03 +0000 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1069108726.4563.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> <20031117205704.GA5820@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069103885.4563.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031117213042.GA8626@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069108726.4563.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1069327623.4083.3.camel@sisko.scot.redhat.com> Hi, On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 22:38, Marc Schwartz wrote: > > > Will this be combined with a default offering for an encrypted file > > > system? :-) > > > > Not patching in something that's not upstream, I'm sure of that. > > When you say upstream, I presume that you are referring to v2.6 kernel > support? Yes. --Stephen From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Thu Nov 20 19:35:13 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:35:13 -0600 Subject: SELinux packages in Rawhide In-Reply-To: <1069327623.4083.3.camel@sisko.scot.redhat.com> References: <1069047047.1916.42.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> <20031117205704.GA5820@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069103885.4563.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031117213042.GA8626@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069108726.4563.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1069327623.4083.3.camel@sisko.scot.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069356913.5636.211.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 05:27, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 22:38, Marc Schwartz wrote: > > > > > Will this be combined with a default offering for an encrypted file > > > > system? :-) > > > > > > Not patching in something that's not upstream, I'm sure of that. > > > > When you say upstream, I presume that you are referring to v2.6 kernel > > support? > > Yes. > > --Stephen Thanks Stephen. I have seen various comments regarding the crypto API in 2.6, but has there been discussion regarding supporting one or more of the CFS implementations? Regards, Marc From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Thu Nov 20 14:50:03 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:50:03 -0800 Subject: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound Message-ID: <1069339802.3256.8.camel@suburbia> I've tried Arjan's test kernels in the past and discarded them due to their inability to work with my wireless pcmcia card, but they all loaded the sound modules properly on boot. I've installed Arjan's kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 kernel which happily works with my pcmcia card for wireless (which has always worked with vanilla 2.6test kernels), but the sound modules no longer load on boot. The also appears to happens with a vanilla 2.6test kernel (2.6-test9-bk17). I can't correlate this to another other updates that I have done. The modules load properly with modprobe. Anyone have any ideas on this? -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From djee at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 23:29:24 2003 From: djee at redhat.com (David Jee) Date: 20 Nov 2003 18:29:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 Message-ID: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2003-018 2003-11-20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : postgresql Version : 7.3.4 Release : 10 Summary : PostgreSQL client programs and libraries. Description : PostgreSQL is an advanced Object-Relational database management system (DBMS) that supports almost all SQL constructs (including transactions, subselects and user-defined types and functions). The postgresql package includes the client programs and libraries that you'll need to access a PostgreSQL DBMS server. These PostgreSQL client programs are programs that directly manipulate the internal structure of PostgreSQL databases on a PostgreSQL server. These client programs can be located on the same machine with the PostgreSQL server, or may be on a remote machine which accesses a PostgreSQL server over a network connection. This package contains the docs in HTML for the whole package, as well as command-line utilities for managing PostgreSQL databases on a PostgreSQL server. If you want to manipulate a PostgreSQL database on a remote PostgreSQL server, you need this package. You also need to install this package if you're installing the postgresql-server package. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update replaces the current series of 'postgresql' packages in Fedora with an improved set of packages that was formerly called 'rh-postgresql'. rh-postgresql was a part of RHDB, and it is now being integrated into Fedora Core. rh-postgresql includes bug fixes and performance enhancements which are backported from the upstream development branch. rh-postgresql also includes an improved version of PostgreSQL's JDBC driver, with functional enhancements and bug fixes that increases its level of compliancy to Sun's JDBC CTS test suite. Note that no initdb will be necessary from previous PostgreSQL packages. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Nov 19 2003 David Jee 7.3.4-RH-10 - rebuild for Fedora Core 1 (Note: This series of packages has formerly been prefixed by 'rh-postgresql' and was a part of RHDB. It will now replace the previous series of 'postgresql' packages in Fedora.) - add conditional checks for whether we're building for Fedora - import new JDBC driver with functionality improvements and bug fixes - import new rh-pgsql.patch to reflect changes in JDBC driver - fix rhdb.init to say "PostgreSQL - Red Hat Edition" upon startup - replace obsolete URL with http://sources.redhat.com/rhdb/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ SRPMS/postgresql-7.3.4-10.src.rpm md5 sum: 0b7108d766ddb826073d0bb970213103 i386/postgresql-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 2217f62c3d18db8cb238fc3dd0f7b5cc i386/postgresql-libs-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 8c7429119b0adc21a03f2233d7ef5a1e i386/postgresql-server-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 6bfbd512844fb4b2eac0c433671f6fcb i386/postgresql-docs-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 3491ddac5047f603c883092a3b860f46 i386/postgresql-contrib-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 59b8039a1a730e8f1d76c52ddcaed598 i386/postgresql-devel-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 39d3fa2cdf980221db09f20746fdd7b2 i386/postgresql-pl-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: ca124f1f6f196cf471f93e406a57c8a5 i386/postgresql-tcl-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 5b4a471c9950017b6112297a3e54770f i386/postgresql-python-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 447e240f53a9ad2612f68033a01d6638 i386/postgresql-jdbc-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: a525c943eda976cbf9dbc29529cbf341 i386/postgresql-test-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: eb7eef53b59dcd2f2b5b2bb43fc26f54 i386/debug/postgresql-debuginfo-7.3.4-10.i386.rpm md5 sum: 211e1f2039dd37d046ddb85624a5fc8e This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From nbecker at hns.com Thu Nov 20 16:38:27 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:38:27 -0500 Subject: segfault in rpm Message-ID: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> I just built an rpm using checkinstall-1.6.0beta2. Attempting to install it using rpm -i gives segfault. I put the rpm here: http://www.xecu.net/nbecker/pdflib-4.0.3-1.i386.rpm From fedora-list at planetmirror.com Fri Nov 21 00:49:15 2003 From: fedora-list at planetmirror.com (Dan Goodes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:49:15 +1000 (EST) Subject: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound In-Reply-To: <1069339802.3256.8.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: Hi Josh, I'd bevery interested to hear what happens here as well because I have the same problem. I've google'd, search the mailing lists (this one and fedora-list), and have had no luck. Like you, I can happily load up the module using "modprobe ali5451", but it wont load it on boot. Here's a couple of links that might help http://www.fearthecow.net/index.pl?section=guest&page=alsa http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html HTH. If you get any better information let me know. -Dan On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > I've tried Arjan's test kernels in the past and discarded them due to > their inability to work with my wireless pcmcia card, but they all > loaded the sound modules properly on boot. I've installed Arjan's > kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 kernel which happily works with my pcmcia card > for wireless (which has always worked with vanilla 2.6test kernels), but > the sound modules no longer load on boot. The also appears to happens > with a vanilla 2.6test kernel (2.6-test9-bk17). I can't correlate this > to another other updates that I have done. The modules load properly > with modprobe. > > Anyone have any ideas on this? > > -josh > > -- Regards, Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Nov 21 01:22:15 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:22:15 +0100 Subject: segfault in rpm In-Reply-To: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031121022215.06dc53e8.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:38:27 -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I just built an rpm using checkinstall-1.6.0beta2. Attempting to install it > using rpm -i gives segfault. > > I put the rpm here: > http://www.xecu.net/nbecker/pdflib-4.0.3-1.i386.rpm Works for me. # rpm -ivh pdflib-4.0.3-1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:pdflib ########################################### [100%] # -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Nov 21 02:22:54 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:22:54 -0500 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <1069002901.6022.55.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> <1067271222.6118.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <3F9E362A.3050909@redhat.com> <1069002901.6022.55.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Message-ID: <3FBD76FE.9010601@insight.rr.com> Christoph Wickert wrote: > Sorry for writing to the test list, but this is a reply to an old mail > for the testing times. > > Am Di, den 28.10.2003 schrieb Than Ngo um 10:26: > >>Christoph Wickert schrieb: >> >> >>>This is what happened to me: Start Here worked in Gnome. After some >>>Updates it worked with KDE, too. After changing the icon theme in KDE >>>there was no icon anymore (for KDE themes usually include no Start >>>here), so I changed the Icon to the one from RH artwork. >>> >>> >> >>this icon is missed in other Icon Theme. I will fix it in next >>kdebase-3.1.4-5 > > > Not really. > > >>>So you can't have Start here in KDE and Gnome. Will this be fixed in >>>kdebase 3.1.4-5? >>> >>> >> >>yes, kdebase-3.1.4-5 will fix this problem. > > > Not really. > # rpm -q kdebase > kdebase-3.1.4-6 > > Shortcuts created in Gnome won't work in KDE anymore. Nothing happens, > not even a failure in .xsession-errors. > > As long, as this doesn't work I vote for separate desktops again. > > Christoph > I would like to see KDE and GNOME more as separate programs myself. The reason for the separation would be more for time line development between KDE and GNOME coming out at different times. It would probably be better to have a bluetooth integrator that allows for different developmental cycles. That way, there would be fewer complaints when one might decide to upgrade either manager independently. I am trying out the beta KDE packages and the conflict with the menus causing me to have to remove openoffice.org to test out the KDE manager gives sight to much more conflicting problems in the future. Bluetooth probably needs to emerge as an alternative manager, instead of as a meshing between the two GUI managers. Just my thoughts on the separation or amalgamation with the window managers. Jim -- A visit to a strange place will bring fresh work. From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Fri Nov 21 04:06:13 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:06:13 -0500 Subject: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound Message-ID: Hi to all the kernel 2.6 test user on Fedora 1 I am currently runninf 2.6.0.0 test9 1.93 for some reason I tried to load my cd with the fedora release and the cd did not auto load, when I use the Disk Manager tool to laod the drive it give an error mount /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device what is the cause and how can i resolve this problem >From: Dan Goodes >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:49:15 +1000 (EST) > >Hi Josh, > >I'd bevery interested to hear what happens here as well because I have the >same problem. I've google'd, search the mailing lists (this one and >fedora-list), and have had no luck. Like you, I can happily load up the >module using "modprobe ali5451", but it wont load it on boot. > >Here's a couple of links that might help > >http://www.fearthecow.net/index.pl?section=guest&page=alsa >http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html > >HTH. If you get any better information let me know. > >-Dan > > >On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > > I've tried Arjan's test kernels in the past and discarded them due to > > their inability to work with my wireless pcmcia card, but they all > > loaded the sound modules properly on boot. I've installed Arjan's > > kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 kernel which happily works with my pcmcia card > > for wireless (which has always worked with vanilla 2.6test kernels), but > > the sound modules no longer load on boot. The also appears to happens > > with a vanilla 2.6test kernel (2.6-test9-bk17). I can't correlate this > > to another other updates that I have done. The modules load properly > > with modprobe. > > > > Anyone have any ideas on this? > > > > -josh > > > > > >-- >Regards, > >Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com > >Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive >by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com From fedora-list at planetmirror.com Fri Nov 21 04:22:21 2003 From: fedora-list at planetmirror.com (Dan Goodes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:22:21 +1000 (EST) Subject: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Check /etc/grub.conf, find the "kernel" line for your 2.6.0-test kernel, and remove "hdc=ide-scsi". ide-scsi is broken, so you have to remove that from the configuration. I had difficulties playing CDs under 2.6, and that fixed it. I also just verified that I could autorun data CDs as well (inserted RH9 disc 1, and it wanted to install packages from RedHat 9 :) Hope that fixes things. -Dan On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, alton bailey wrote: > Hi to all the kernel 2.6 test user on Fedora 1 > I am currently runninf 2.6.0.0 test9 1.93 for some reason I tried to load my > cd with the fedora release and the cd did not auto load, when I use the > Disk Manager tool to laod the drive it give an error > mount /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device what is the cause and how can > i resolve this problem > > > >From: Dan Goodes > >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound > >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:49:15 +1000 (EST) > > > >Hi Josh, > > > >I'd bevery interested to hear what happens here as well because I have the > >same problem. I've google'd, search the mailing lists (this one and > >fedora-list), and have had no luck. Like you, I can happily load up the > >module using "modprobe ali5451", but it wont load it on boot. > > > >Here's a couple of links that might help > > > >http://www.fearthecow.net/index.pl?section=guest&page=alsa > >http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html > > > >HTH. If you get any better information let me know. > > > >-Dan > > > > > >On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > > > > I've tried Arjan's test kernels in the past and discarded them due to > > > their inability to work with my wireless pcmcia card, but they all > > > loaded the sound modules properly on boot. I've installed Arjan's > > > kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 kernel which happily works with my pcmcia card > > > for wireless (which has always worked with vanilla 2.6test kernels), but > > > the sound modules no longer load on boot. The also appears to happens > > > with a vanilla 2.6test kernel (2.6-test9-bk17). I can't correlate this > > > to another other updates that I have done. The modules load properly > > > with modprobe. > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas on this? > > > > > > -josh > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Regards, > > > >Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com > > > >Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive > >by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com > > > > > >-- > >fedora-test-list mailing list > >fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free > parking. http://shopping.msn.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Regards, Dan Goodes : Systems Programmer : dang at planetmirror.com Help support PlanetMirror - Australia's largest Internet archive by signing up for PlanetMirror Premium : http://planetmirror.com From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Fri Nov 21 04:25:59 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:25:59 -0500 Subject: segfault in rpm In-Reply-To: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031121042559.GA13795@prince.homelinux.org> Neal D. Becker staggered into view and mumbled: > I just built an rpm using checkinstall-1.6.0beta2. Attempting to install it > using rpm -i gives segfault. It worked for me. May be RPM on your system. The RPM itself seems fine. 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The also appears to happens > with a vanilla 2.6test kernel (2.6-test9-bk17). I can't correlate this > to another other updates that I have done. The modules load properly > with modprobe. > > Anyone have any ideas on this? > > -josh I've tryed kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 yesterday. No sound at all (i810 audio with 2.4, ECS K7S5A - SIS 735 chipset) even after I loaded every module from the sound drivers. Kudzu complained thad my RTL8139C and 3Com 3C59x were removed (I told it to do nothing) and after this that they were installed (do nothing again) and they worked just fine. Another disadvantage is that when I 'hdparm -Tt /dev/hda' with the 2.4 kernel I'm getting 333MB/sec chached and 53MB/sec raw transfer vs 333MB/sec chached and 32MB/sec raw with 2.6 (80GB Baracuda/7200RPM). ps: I found no scsi emulation (ide-scsi) and had to reconfigure my CD. -- Regards, Doncho N. Gunchev From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Fri Nov 21 11:39:51 2003 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:39:51 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core HCL... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069414791.4672.22.camel@wibbit.firebox.com> On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 18:51, Don wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Douglas Furlong > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:11 AM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Fedora Core HCL... > > > > > > Pardon my ignorance. > > > > What is a HCL? Hardware Conformity list? :) > > You're on the right track.... Hardware Compatibility List. For some reason I seem to be going for the more draconian words in my repertoire at the moment. Not sure why :o) Doug From paul at dishone.st Fri Nov 21 14:17:31 2003 From: paul at dishone.st (Paul Jakma) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:17:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200311191333.13049.lowen@pari.edu> <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > AFAIK, SCSI is still the only hard drive interface that supports > low level formatting. You can often get utils from the drive manufacturers to do same thing with IDE drives. There's not a standardised interface for it though, AIUI. > There are only two types of EIDE server drive users: those who > have already had massive data loss, and those waiting for it to > happen. Anyone betting their business on big cheap EIDE drives > rather than SCSI better have (and religiously use) first class tape > backup systems. They're gonna need 'em because the failure rates > for EIDE drives used in 24/7 servers are between two to three > orders of magnitude higher than SCSI. This is waffle. For many drives, the only difference between IDE and SCSI is the electronics. And any way, for the price of your SCSI system, I can have an IDE system with more storage, mirrored to a second system, with the tape drive paid for out of the cost difference and with change to spare. > We return you now to your regularly scheduled programming... > > --Doc Savage > Fairview Heights, IL regards, -- Paul Jakma paul at clubi.ie paul at jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam at dishone.st Fortune: DEC diagnostics would run on a dead whale. -- Mel Ferentz From michael_soulier at mitel.com Fri Nov 21 14:33:32 2003 From: michael_soulier at mitel.com (Michael P. Soulier) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:33:32 -0500 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <3FBD76FE.9010601@insight.rr.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> <1067271222.6118.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <3F9E362A.3050909@redhat.com> <1069002901.6022.55.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <3FBD76FE.9010601@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031121143332.GA7868@e-smith.com> On 20/11/03 Jim Cornette did say: > I would like to see KDE and GNOME more as separate programs myself. The > reason for the separation would be more for time line development > between KDE and GNOME coming out at different times. I'd like to see less bias against KDE in Fedora. I tried KDE, and I took me 30 minutes to enable features to make it half-way decent, like anti-aliased fonts. Why were these disabled by default? Why is the KDE menu full of Gnome programs, with the KDE programs buried deeper? Fedora seems like a terrible place for people who prefer KDE. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier , 613-592-2122 x2522 6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation "...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix From twaugh at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 15:54:32 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:54:32 +0000 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: grep-2.5.1-17.2 Message-ID: <20031121155432.GB6829@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-003 2003-11-21 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : grep Version : 2.5.1 Release : 17.2 Summary : The GNU versions of grep pattern matching utilities. Description : The GNU versions of commonly used grep utilities. Grep searches through textual input for lines which contain a match to a specified pattern and then prints the matching lines. GNU's grep utilities include grep, egrep and fgrep. 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A method for speeding up UTF-8 processing in grep has been incorporated in this updated package. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Nov 21 2003 Tim Waugh 2.5.1-17.2 - Another two multibyte efficiency bug-fixes (bug #110524). * Tue Nov 11 2003 Tim Waugh 2.5.1-17.1 - Fixed man page bug (bug #106267). - Turn on multibyte efficiency patch again. - Fixed a multibyte efficiency bug. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/grep-2.5.1-17.2.src.rpm md5 sum: a8a7818fc732d077ba24ddc6beb87c00 i386/grep-2.5.1-17.2.i386.rpm md5 sum: df7ab8bfbc770d2521c7e803cc65e1a1 i386/debug/grep-debuginfo-2.5.1-17.2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 56842d8c1d4d78ac84e3b0cea3d9de7a This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I _like_ the RHDB tools. -- Lamar Owen, RPM maintainer, PostgreSQL Global Development Group Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From mark at mitre.org Fri Nov 21 18:28:58 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (mark heslep) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:28:58 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2: broken dependency? Message-ID: <1069439338.24851.13.camel@rower-lab> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:44, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-001 > 2003-11-12 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : gcc > Version : 3.3.2 > Release : 2 > Summary : Various compilers (C, C++, Objective-C, Java, ...) > Description : > The gcc package contains the GNU Compiler Collection version 3.3.2. > You'll need this package in order to compile C code. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Mon Nov 10 2003 Jakub Jelinek 3.3.2-2 > > - update from gcc-3_3-branch > - PRs bootstrap/12666, target/11598, libgcj/10610, target/12654, > target/12690, target/12712 > - fix ICE with C++ initializers (Jason Merrill, #109283, PR c++/12726) > - fix handling of functions with > 2GB stack frames > - fix handling of objects larger than 2GB or 4GB (Jan Hubicka and others) > - fix Fortran COMMONs bigger than 2GB (#106542) The cpp dependency is still sitting on 3.3.2-1 which breaks apt and yum for me: gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:44, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-001 > 2003-11-12 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : gcc > Version : 3.3.2 > Release : 2 > Summary : Various compilers (C, C++, Objective-C, Java, ...) > Description : > The gcc package contains the GNU Compiler Collection version 3.3.2. > You'll need this package in order to compile C code. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Mon Nov 10 2003 Jakub Jelinek 3.3.2-2 > > - update from gcc-3_3-branch > - PRs bootstrap/12666, target/11598, libgcj/10610, target/12654, > target/12690, target/12712 > - fix ICE with C++ initializers (Jason Merrill, #109283, PR c++/12726) > - fix handling of functions with > 2GB stack frames > - fix handling of objects larger than 2GB or 4GB (Jan Hubicka and others) > - fix Fortran COMMONs bigger than 2GB (#106542) The cpp dependency is still sitting on 3.3.2-1 which breaks apt and yum for me: gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:44, Bill Nottingham wrote: > (We're still ironing out the kinks here. Comments on the notification > format welcome.) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2003-001 > 2003-11-12 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name : gcc > Version : 3.3.2 > Release : 2 > Summary : Various compilers (C, C++, Objective-C, Java, ...) > Description : > The gcc package contains the GNU Compiler Collection version 3.3.2. > You'll need this package in order to compile C code. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Mon Nov 10 2003 Jakub Jelinek 3.3.2-2 > > - update from gcc-3_3-branch > - PRs bootstrap/12666, target/11598, libgcj/10610, target/12654, > target/12690, target/12712 > - fix ICE with C++ initializers (Jason Merrill, #109283, PR c++/12726) > - fix handling of functions with > 2GB stack frames > - fix handling of objects larger than 2GB or 4GB (Jan Hubicka and others) > - fix Fortran COMMONs bigger than 2GB (#106542) The cpp dependency is still sitting on 3.3.2-1 which breaks apt and yum for me. This happens if you also upgrade gcc-c++ to -2 and then try to reinstall gcc: gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed From djee at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 18:43:50 2003 From: djee at redhat.com (David Jee) Date: 21 Nov 2003 13:43:50 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <200311211136.57127.lowen@pari.edu> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211136.57127.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <1069440230.29369.15.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 11:36, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Thursday 20 November 2003 06:29 pm, David Jee wrote: > > This update replaces the current series of 'postgresql' packages in > > Fedora with an improved set of packages that was formerly called > > 'rh-postgresql'. rh-postgresql was a part of RHDB, and it is now being > > integrated into Fedora Core. rh-postgresql includes bug fixes and > > performance enhancements which are backported from the upstream > > development branch. > > Oh, this is nice. I'd like to get the improvements, GUI, JDBC etc into the > upstream packages, possibly. I _like_ the RHDB tools. FYI, the GUI tools will not be integrated into Fedora Core at this present time. Our latest GUI tools depend on a proprietary JVM that implements AWT and Swing, so they are not eligible for inclusion in Fedora. We hope that we will eventually be able to compile and run them against libgcj, at which point we can integrate them into Fedora. However, the GUI tools will be available via sources.redhat.com/rhdb very soon. We are also planning on setting up a yum-repository for all RHDB packages. I want to mention two things about the rh-postgresql packages. The first is that the backported patches in rh-postgresql are actually rolled into a giant 7.2M patch, which is a diff between the pristine 7.3.4 branch and our own branch that contains the backports. IIRC, the reason why it's so big is the difference in the RCS headers between Red Hat's repository and postgresql's repository. The differences are trivial, but we couldn't find a safe way of filtering out these differences, so we decided to just leave them there. I don't think it's a problem, but just wanted to give you a heads-up. Another thing I'm wondering is whether it would be worthwhile to keep a pristine set of upstream postgresql packages. For example, if for some reason something fails in the "rh-postgresql" set of packages, one can go back to the "postgresql" set of packages and see where the problem is. What do you think about this? -David Jee From lowen at pari.edu Fri Nov 21 19:56:47 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:56:47 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <1069440230.29369.15.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211136.57127.lowen@pari.edu> <1069440230.29369.15.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311211456.47764.lowen@pari.edu> On Friday 21 November 2003 01:43 pm, David Jee wrote: > FYI, the GUI tools will not be integrated into Fedora Core at this > present time. Our latest GUI tools depend on a proprietary JVM that > implements AWT and Swing, so they are not eligible for inclusion in > Fedora. We hope that we will eventually be able to compile and run them > against libgcj, at which point we can integrate them into Fedora. I kindof was afraid of that. > However, the GUI tools will be available via sources.redhat.com/rhdb > very soon. We are also planning on setting up a yum-repository for all > RHDB packages. Are these different from the ones that hae been available there for some time? If so, how different? > I want to mention two things about the rh-postgresql packages. The > first is that the backported patches in rh-postgresql are actually > rolled into a giant 7.2M patch, which is a diff between the pristine > 7.3.4 branch and our own branch that contains the backports. How does this relate to version 7.4? Are most of the backports from 7.4? (I'm thinking most are, but....) > Another thing I'm wondering is whether it would be worthwhile to keep a > pristine set of upstream postgresql packages. For example, if for some > reason something fails in the "rh-postgresql" set of packages, one can > go back to the "postgresql" set of packages and see where the problem > is. What do you think about this? Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think that's good. SuSE syncs up periodically with my packages, too, as do other distributors, I'm sure. So probably a good thing to keep it that way. I released 7.4 upstream packages today, based on the work Kaj did, and built for Fedora Core. They have trouble building on older dists, but I'm working on that. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From djee at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 20:18:24 2003 From: djee at redhat.com (David Jee) Date: 21 Nov 2003 15:18:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <200311211456.47764.lowen@pari.edu> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211136.57127.lowen@pari.edu> <1069440230.29369.15.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211456.47764.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <1069445904.29369.40.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 14:56, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Friday 21 November 2003 01:43 pm, David Jee wrote: > > However, the GUI tools will be available via sources.redhat.com/rhdb > > very soon. We are also planning on setting up a yum-repository for all > > RHDB packages. > > Are these different from the ones that hae been available there for some time? > If so, how different? For Visual Explain, I believe there were some small bug fixes, but nothing major. Administrator has been completely rewritten in Java; the old one was written in tcl/tk. However, the Java Administrator's functionality is almost identical to the tcl version. Control Center is a new tool, and it is still in beta stage. It is also written in Java. > > I want to mention two things about the rh-postgresql packages. The > > first is that the backported patches in rh-postgresql are actually > > rolled into a giant 7.2M patch, which is a diff between the pristine > > 7.3.4 branch and our own branch that contains the backports. > > How does this relate to version 7.4? Are most of the backports from 7.4? > (I'm thinking most are, but....) Tom Lane would be the best person to ask, but AFAIK, most (if not all) of the backports are from 7.4. > I released 7.4 upstream packages today, based on the work Kaj did, and built > for Fedora Core. They have trouble building on older dists, but I'm working > on that. Great! I'll have a look at them very shortly. I'm not sure though if I want to release a 7.4 update for Fedora Core 1, due to data incompatibility reasons. We usually don't jump major versions within a distro, but perhaps this rule can be relaxed for Fedora. In any case, the 7.4 packages will go into Fedora Core 2. -David Jee From djee at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 20:20:00 2003 From: djee at redhat.com (David Jee) Date: 21 Nov 2003 15:20:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: rhdb-utils-2.0-2 Message-ID: <1069445999.29369.43.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-019 2003-11-21 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : rhdb-utils Version : 2.0 Release : 2 Summary : Miscellaneous utilities for PostgreSQL - Red Hat Edition. Description : This package contains miscellaneous, non-graphical tools developed for PostgreSQL - Red Hat Edition. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update introduces a new package, rhdb-utils. rhdb-utils was a part of RHDB, and is now being integrated into Fedora. It includes a utility called pg_filedump, which displays formatted contents of a PostgreSQL heap/index/control file. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ SRPMS/rhdb-utils-2.0-2.src.rpm md5 sum: 79704dddf4208617a8f76e00b33f6479 i386/rhdb-utils-2.0-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 28ad695e5664bf54e5fb170bba974d53 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From lowen at pari.edu Fri Nov 21 20:33:11 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:33:11 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <1069445904.29369.40.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211456.47764.lowen@pari.edu> <1069445904.29369.40.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311211533.11235.lowen@pari.edu> On Friday 21 November 2003 03:18 pm, David Jee wrote: > Tom Lane would be the best person to ask, but AFAIK, most (if not all) > of the backports are from 7.4. Ok. I can ask him, > > I released 7.4 upstream packages today, based on the work Kaj did, and > > built for Fedora Core. They have trouble building on older dists, but > > I'm working on that. > Great! I'll have a look at them very shortly. I'm not sure though if I > want to release a 7.4 update for Fedora Core 1, due to data > incompatibility reasons. We usually don't jump major versions within a > distro, but perhaps this rule can be relaxed for Fedora. In any case, > the 7.4 packages will go into Fedora Core 2. My recommendation at this point is to NOT release an official update to PostgreSQL 7.4 exactly because of the data incompatibility. If people want PostgreSQL 7.4 RPMs on their FC1, they can traipse over to ftp.postgresql.org.... :-) Maybe by the time FC2 is out I can have the multiversion install stuff working. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From djee at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 20:47:18 2003 From: djee at redhat.com (David Jee) Date: 21 Nov 2003 15:47:18 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: rhdb-utils-2.0-2 In-Reply-To: <1069445999.29369.43.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> References: <1069445999.29369.43.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069447638.29369.75.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 15:20, David Jee wrote: > SRPMS/rhdb-utils-2.0-2.src.rpm > md5 sum: 79704dddf4208617a8f76e00b33f6479 > i386/rhdb-utils-2.0-2.i386.rpm > md5 sum: 28ad695e5664bf54e5fb170bba974d53 These md5sums were computed before the packages were signed. The correct md5sums are: SRPMS/rhdb-utils-2.0-2.src.rpm md5 sum: e0315e8b59d574d3483ff07974223830 i386/rhdb-utils-2.0-2.i386.rpm md5 sum: 5d0d01dd288b83ff2f578052c1d97ee9 I apologize for the inconvenience. -David Jee From kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com Fri Nov 21 20:54:03 2003 From: kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com (Karl DeBisschop) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:54:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <1069445904.29369.40.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211136.57127.lowen@pari.edu> <1069440230.29369.15.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211456.47764.lowen@pari.edu> <1069445904.29369.40.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069448042.7723.58.camel@skilletinfopleasecom.nh.pearsoned.com> > Great! I'll have a look at them very shortly. I'm not sure though if I > want to release a 7.4 update for Fedora Core 1, due to data > incompatibility reasons. We usually don't jump major versions within a > distro, but perhaps this rule can be relaxed for Fedora. In any case, > the 7.4 packages will go into Fedora Core 2. I'm one of those who really likes the idea that backporting will be minimized. But since jumping a major version of postgresql would require an initdb, I would prefer not to do that until there is a reliable way to upgrade. Otherwise, I have the feeling that way to many people would be shocked to find that the 'update' they just loaded left them without a running database. Even worse if they have yum nightly updates turned on... -- Karl DeBisschop Pearson Education/Information Please From djee at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 22:22:21 2003 From: djee at redhat.com (David Jee) Date: 21 Nov 2003 17:22:21 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update 1: postgresql-odbc-7.3-5 Message-ID: <1069453341.29369.143.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-020 2003-11-21 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : postgresql-odbc Version : 7.3 Release : 5 Summary : PostgreSQL ODBC driver. Description : This package includes the driver needed for applications to access a PostgreSQL system via ODBC (Open Database Connectivity). --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Nov 21 2003 David Jee 7.3-5 - rebuild * Wed Nov 05 2003 David Jee 7.3-4 - import new community version 07.03.0200 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/postgresql-odbc-7.3-5.src.rpm md5 sum: e8c216845a0b4118a5b32c5dc145bef7 i386/postgresql-odbc-7.3-5.i386.rpm md5 sum: 671d78798b6307c8e124deab291f9b9a i386/debug/postgresql-odbc-debuginfo-7.3-5.i386.rpm md5 sum: 4c1ab875bf94e119640a568661b0edef This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Mon Nov 24 00:12:06 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:12:06 -0500 Subject: test--please ignore Message-ID: <20031124001206.GC17691@prince.homelinux.org> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From zleite at mminternet.com Sat Nov 22 00:58:43 2003 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:58:43 -0800 Subject: Well supported, reliable NICs for Redhat Linux/Fedora? In-Reply-To: References: <20031116155807.16322.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> <200311171431.34051.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200311191333.13049.lowen@pari.edu> <200311191044.52035.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <24237.140.175.214.37.1069270137.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <1069462723.2672.4.camel@Z> On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 06:17, Paul Jakma wrote: > This is waffle. For many drives, the only difference between IDE and > SCSI is the electronics. And the quality control process. > And any way, for the price of your SCSI system, I can have an IDE > system with more storage, mirrored to a second system, with the tape > drive paid for out of the cost difference and with change to spare. Not quite. You haven't seen the real differences. There is a reason why people pay he price premium for SCSI. > > We return you now to your regularly scheduled programming... > > > > --Doc Savage > > Fairview Heights, IL > > regards, From blocke at shivan.org Sat Nov 22 07:22:36 2003 From: blocke at shivan.org (Bruce A. Locke) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:22:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069485756.2780.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 18:29, David Jee wrote: > This update replaces the current series of 'postgresql' packages in > Fedora with an improved set of packages that was formerly called > 'rh-postgresql'. rh-postgresql was a part of RHDB, and it is now being > integrated into Fedora Core. rh-postgresql includes bug fixes and > performance enhancements which are backported from the upstream > development branch. I'm sure I'm going to get smacked for this but... why is this going in as a Fedora 1 update? This description makes it sound like a major feature upgrade which quite frankly should not be an 'update' for a released version. Am I reading too much into this or way off base? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce A. Locke blocke at shivan.org From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Sat Nov 22 17:37:44 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:37:44 -0500 Subject: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound Message-ID: how did you reconfig your cd-rom because i'a running test9 9.193 and my cd-rom does not work can you explain how to reconfig the cd-rom >From: "Doncho N. Gunchev" >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:06:30 +0200 > >On Thursday 20 November 2003 16:50, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > > I've tried Arjan's test kernels in the past and discarded them due to > > their inability to work with my wireless pcmcia card, but they all > > loaded the sound modules properly on boot. I've installed Arjan's > > kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 kernel which happily works with my pcmcia card > > for wireless (which has always worked with vanilla 2.6test kernels), but > > the sound modules no longer load on boot. The also appears to happens > > with a vanilla 2.6test kernel (2.6-test9-bk17). I can't correlate this > > to another other updates that I have done. The modules load properly > > with modprobe. > > > > Anyone have any ideas on this? > > > > -josh > > I've tryed kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 yesterday. No sound at all (i810 >audio >with 2.4, ECS K7S5A - SIS 735 chipset) even after I loaded every module >from >the sound drivers. Kudzu complained thad my RTL8139C and 3Com 3C59x were >removed >(I told it to do nothing) and after this that they were installed (do >nothing >again) and they worked just fine. > > Another disadvantage is that when I 'hdparm -Tt /dev/hda' with the 2.4 >kernel >I'm getting 333MB/sec chached and 53MB/sec raw transfer vs 333MB/sec >chached and >32MB/sec raw with 2.6 (80GB Baracuda/7200RPM). > > ps: I found no scsi emulation (ide-scsi) and had to reconfigure my CD. > >-- >Regards, > Doncho N. Gunchev > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Say ?goodbye? to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From pavelr at coresma.com Sun Nov 23 09:02:10 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:02:10 +0200 Subject: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound In-Reply-To: <1069339802.3256.8.camel@suburbia> References: <1069339802.3256.8.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <3FC07792.2020600@coresma.com> Joshua Legbandt wrote: > I've tried Arjan's test kernels in the past and discarded them due to > their inability to work with my wireless pcmcia card, but they all > loaded the sound modules properly on boot. I've installed Arjan's > kernel-2.6.0-0.test9.1.90 kernel which happily works with my pcmcia card > for wireless (which has always worked with vanilla 2.6test kernels), but > the sound modules no longer load on boot. The also appears to happens > with a vanilla 2.6test kernel (2.6-test9-bk17). I can't correlate this > to another other updates that I have done. The modules load properly > with modprobe. > > Anyone have any ideas on this? It looks like latest -bk snapshots try to load module by slightly different names. If, for example, it tried to load char-major-14 for mixer device, now it tries to load char-major-14-. I fixed this problem by changing in /etc/modprobe.conf alias char-major-14 soundcore by alias char-major-14-* soundcore. same goes for NVidia drivers, where I had to change alias char-major-195 nvidia by alias char-major-195-* nvidia HTH P.S. I hope someone can elaborate on why this behavior changed. Pavel. From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Nov 23 14:16:19 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:16:19 +0100 Subject: OT: nforce-1.0-0261 nvnet causes high cpu usage Message-ID: <3FC0C133.1030708@gmx.de> hi, fyi msi k7n420pro nforce1 athlon xp1800+ the 'nforce-1.0-0261 nvnet' causes high cpu usage while network-access eg. squid 50%-99% samba 50%-99% nfs 25%-50% --> absolutely unusable system happens if nvnet is the only network-device too. with disabled nvnet all is ok. because i had no trouble under rhl 8.0 with nforce-1.0-0248/0256 i tried NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0256.tar.gz, this seems to be ok under fc1 fedora core 1 kernel-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0261.tar.gz tar;make;make install alias eth1 nvnet eth0 = via-rhine = d-link eth1 = nvnet = onboard-nic reported to linux-nforce-bugs at nvidia.com -- shrek-m From wade at gotsvt.com Sun Nov 23 14:20:55 2003 From: wade at gotsvt.com (Wade Bowlin) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:20:55 -0500 Subject: segfault in rpm In-Reply-To: <20031121042559.GA13795@prince.homelinux.org> References: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> <20031121042559.GA13795@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1069597255.28518.0.camel@kyle.point-zero.net> I ran into the same thing last night trying to install gpsdrive?!? Anyone else? On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 23:25, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Neal D. Becker staggered into view and mumbled: > > I just built an rpm using checkinstall-1.6.0beta2. Attempting to install it > > using rpm -i gives segfault. From kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com Mon Nov 24 12:41:22 2003 From: kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com (Karl DeBisschop) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:41:22 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <1069485756.2780.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <1069485756.2780.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> Message-ID: <1069677682.28039.115.camel@miles.debisschop.net> On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 02:22, Bruce A. Locke wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 18:29, David Jee wrote: > > > This update replaces the current series of 'postgresql' packages in > > Fedora with an improved set of packages that was formerly called > > 'rh-postgresql'. rh-postgresql was a part of RHDB, and it is now being > > integrated into Fedora Core. rh-postgresql includes bug fixes and > > performance enhancements which are backported from the upstream > > development branch. > > I'm sure I'm going to get smacked for this but... why is this going in > as a Fedora 1 update? This description makes it sound like a major > feature upgrade which quite frankly should not be an 'update' for a > released version. > > Am I reading too much into this or way off base? Hopefully I'm not smacking you, but I do somewhat disagree. To me, one of the virtues of Fedora is that the idea that the feature set is not locked down during the course of a release. This mostly happens because Fedora will do less backporting, so newer features will 'naturally' drift in . So yes, this is odd in that the features come in by way of backporting. But I won't refuse the gift. When I object, is when the feature additions can be expected to cause incompatibilities. So as long as the result is stable and the backported features do not require an initdb, I'm happy. -- Karl DeBisschop From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Mon Nov 24 15:06:23 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:06:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Open Carpet Message-ID: Hi all, Looks like we can finally have the nice Red-Carpet system without having to wait for Ximian to support a certain distro. Open Carpet apparently allows any Apt source to be used with Red-carpet, which is pretty neat imo. Red Carpet has been my favorite tool since it came out, but also somewhat useless to me when I wasn't running a supported distro. Right now, the fedora project is available. I will report back when I have actually tested this. thanks, noah silva From fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com Mon Nov 24 15:36:02 2003 From: fernando.alvarez-uria at ya.com (=?ISO-8859-3?Q?Fernando_=C1lvarez-Ur=EDa?=) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:36:02 +0100 Subject: Question about new release of Fedora Message-ID: <3FC22562.7000903@ya.com> Hi all! Im wondering, as 2.6.0-test10 has been released, if the next version of Fedora with this kernel will be Fedora Test 4, or will jump directly to Fedora Core 2. The schedule says that will be a characteristic of Core2, but maybe a new test 4 is relesed to try out 2.6.0 until it reaches a stable point. -- Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a Madrid, Spain fernando.alvarez-uria at NOSPAMya.com From jdennis at redhat.com Tue Nov 18 17:48:46 2003 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: 18 Nov 2003 12:48:46 -0500 Subject: postfix update Message-ID: <1069177726.9569.282.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> postfix-2.0.16-1 was added as id #17 to the fedora update list, this was to fix: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108960 There has been some limited testing by users reporting the bug who report success, but additional testing would be prudent. The fundamental change was to move from the .14 to .16 minor upstream rev to pick up an upstream bug fix. -- John Dennis From ted at cypress.com Mon Nov 24 18:57:33 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:57:33 -0600 Subject: Question about new release of Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FC22562.7000903@ya.com> References: <3FC22562.7000903@ya.com> Message-ID: <3FC2549D.3040602@cypress.com> Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > Hi all! > > Im wondering, as 2.6.0-test10 has been released, if the next version of > Fedora with this kernel will be Fedora Test 4, or will jump directly to > Fedora Core 2. I would expect FC2-test1. FC2 will be the final, released version, not a test. Test releases should relate to the final they are for, and not be sequential. If Test 4 + was for FC2, how would one manage to remember which Tes versions lead to which release? -Thomas From kevin-redhat-beta at scrye.com Mon Nov 24 19:51:27 2003 From: kevin-redhat-beta at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:51:27 -0700 Subject: postfix update References: <1069177726.9569.282.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031124195129.98594F7CC8@voldemort.scrye.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "John" == John Dennis writes: John> postfix-2.0.16-1 was added as id #17 to the fedora update list, John> this was to fix: John> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108960 John> There has been some limited testing by users reporting the bug John> who report success, but additional testing would be prudent. The John> fundamental change was to move from the .14 to .16 minor John> upstream rev to pick up an upstream bug fix. -- John Dennis John> I'm running into that problem with a postfix 2.0.11 on a RH9 machine. Can you put the .src.rpm for the 2.0.16 version up somewhere so I can recompile for 9 and try it there? (the url in the bugzilla only has a binary rpm for fedora in it). It currently has the 2.0.11 recompiled from the fedora-core-1 version. As a side note, what are the chances that fedora will switch to postfix as the default MTA in core2 or beyond? kevin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 iD8DBQE/wmFB3imCezTjY0ERAghXAJ4lQZkB/RmDaWNleK/CWUxzTiUHwACfTKBv IFljkYU4VULhuGSuBdvzqDE= =Zsh4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net Mon Nov 24 20:24:49 2003 From: gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net (Jurgen Kramer) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:24:49 +0100 Subject: arjan's 2.6test kernels and sound In-Reply-To: <3FC07792.2020600@coresma.com> References: <1069339802.3256.8.camel@suburbia> <3FC07792.2020600@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1069705489.8349.3.camel@paragon.slim> Thanks Pavel! I now finally have the nvidia module autoloaded under 2.6. I never had this problem with RH9 and 2.6. For the ALSA modules to load properly I just installed the alsa-driver package (under 2.4) which installs alsasound in /etc/rc.d/init.d. Alsasound can then be added to chkconfig. > I fixed this problem by changing in /etc/modprobe.conf > alias char-major-14 soundcore > by > alias char-major-14-* soundcore. > > same goes for NVidia drivers, where I had to change > alias char-major-195 nvidia > by > alias char-major-195-* nvidia > > HTH > > P.S. I hope someone can elaborate on why this behavior changed. > > Pavel. Greets, Jurgen From than at redhat.com Mon Nov 24 22:22:29 2003 From: than at redhat.com (Than Ngo) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:22:29 +0100 Subject: KDE "Start Here' doesn't work? In-Reply-To: <20031121143332.GA7868@e-smith.com> References: <200310221621.26855.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1067223868.14551.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64661.69.68.37.57.1067228691.squirrel@69.68.37.57> <673BA339-084C-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <03345E2E-084E-11D8-AC67-000393C34F68@mac.com> <3F9D337A.7070002@redhat.com> <1067271222.6118.19.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <3F9E362A.3050909@redhat.com> <1069002901.6022.55.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> <3FBD76FE.9010601@insight.rr.com> <20031121143332.GA7868@e-smith.com> Message-ID: <3FC284A5.6070100@redhat.com> Michael P. Soulier schrieb: >On 20/11/03 Jim Cornette did say: > > > >>I would like to see KDE and GNOME more as separate programs myself. The >>reason for the separation would be more for time line development >>between KDE and GNOME coming out at different times. >> >> > > I'd like to see less bias against KDE in Fedora. I tried KDE, and I >took me 30 minutes to enable features to make it half-way decent, like >anti-aliased fonts. Why were these disabled by default? > strange, anti-aliased fonts is always enable by default in KDE. Perhaps you have disabled it before? > Why is the KDE >menu full of Gnome programs, with the KDE programs buried deeper? Fedora >seems like a terrible place for people who prefer KDE. > > please install all KDE packages from Fedora, you will get more KDE apps in menu ;-) Than From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Nov 24 22:31:02 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:31:02 +0100 Subject: Question about new release of Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FC22562.7000903@ya.com> References: <3FC22562.7000903@ya.com> Message-ID: <1069713061.2235.10.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 16:36, Fernando ?lvarez-Ur?a wrote: > Im wondering, as 2.6.0-test10 has been released, if the next version of > Fedora with this kernel will be Fedora Test 4, or will jump directly to > Fedora Core 2. Fedora Test 3 was the latest test release for Fedora Core 1, so I guess the next test release will get the "Fedora Core 2 Test 1" release. From jakub at redhat.com Mon Nov 24 23:27:58 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:27:58 -0500 Subject: Fedora Testing Update Notification: binutils-2.14.90.0.6-4 Message-ID: <20031124232758.GS3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Testing Update Notification FEDORA-2003-021 2003-11-24 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : binutils Version : 2.14.90.0.6 Release : 4 Summary : A GNU collection of binary utilities. Description : Binutils is a collection of binary utilities, including ar (for creating, modifying and extracting from archives), as (a family of GNU assemblers), gprof (for displaying call graph profile data), ld (the GNU linker), nm (for listing symbols from object files), objcopy (for copying and translating object files), objdump (for displaying information from object files), ranlib (for generating an index for the contents of an archive), size (for listing the section sizes of an object or archive file), strings (for listing printable strings from files), strip (for discarding symbols), and addr2line (for converting addresses to file and line). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: An assembler parsing bug has been discovered in binutils released in Fedora Core 1. The bug affects at least Linux kernel versions 2.5.63 and later, where nr_syscalls=(.-sys_call_table)/4 line set nr_syscalls incorrectly to (.-sys_call_table) when assembled by binutils 2.14.90.0.1 and later. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Mon Nov 24 2003 Jakub Jelinek 2.14.90.0.6-4 - fix assembly parsing of foo=(.-bar)/4 (Alan Modra) - fix IA-64 assembly parsing of (p7) hint @pause --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ 355ffee1708b6d8547fd0b136532dbf8 SRPMS/binutils-2.14.90.0.6-4.src.rpm 26163d08b73f806be19ecb591cb2641a i386/binutils-2.14.90.0.6-4.i386.rpm ffe8dfebdb327df948fbef793d2bf94d i386/debug/binutils-debuginfo-2.14.90.0.6-4.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From jent at spicylemons.com Tue Nov 25 00:07:37 2003 From: jent at spicylemons.com (Mike Jensen) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:07:37 -0700 Subject: segfault in rpm In-Reply-To: <1069597255.28518.0.camel@kyle.point-zero.net> References: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> <20031121042559.GA13795@prince.homelinux.org> <1069597255.28518.0.camel@kyle.point-zero.net> Message-ID: <200311241707.37166.jent@spicylemons.com> It might be a hardware problem. If you overheated your cpu at some time or caused some other damage in some ways you can get a segfault. Usally code 11. I would run prime on it and see if you get any errors to see if there is a problem. Hope this helped. On Sunday 23 November 2003 07:20, Wade Bowlin wrote: > I ran into the same thing last night trying to install gpsdrive?!? > Anyone else? > > On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 23:25, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > > Neal D. Becker staggered into view and mumbled: > > > I just built an rpm using checkinstall-1.6.0beta2. Attempting to > > > install it using rpm -i gives segfault. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Cheers, Mike Jensen jent at spicylemons.com cell at spicylemons.com irc.acidchat.net www.spicylemons.com From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Nov 25 03:34:44 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:44 -0500 Subject: Open Carpet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FC2CDD4.30900@insight.rr.com> Noah Silva [Mailing list] wrote: > Hi all, > > Looks like we can finally have the nice Red-Carpet system without having > to wait for Ximian to support a certain distro. > > Open Carpet apparently allows any Apt source to be used with Red-carpet, > which is pretty neat imo. > > Red Carpet has been my favorite tool since it came out, but also somewhat > useless to me when I wasn't running a supported distro. > > Right now, the fedora project is available. > > I will report back when I have actually tested this. > > thanks, > noah silva > I have a sort of red-carpet messed up Fedora installation. I could afford to see what this open carpet program can do. It started to work until I got so far into using the installation. I then got some error with red-carpet bombing. I'll google for the link to the program. Jim -- Everything that you know is wrong, but you can be straightened out. From mark at mitre.org Fri Nov 21 18:50:13 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (mark heslep) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:50:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2: broken dependency? In-Reply-To: <1069439338.24851.13.camel@rower-lab> References: <1069439338.24851.13.camel@rower-lab> Message-ID: <1069440613.24851.18.camel@rower-lab> > The cpp dependency is still sitting on 3.3.2-1 which breaks apt and yum > for me. This happens if you also upgrade gcc-c++ to -2 and then try to > reinstall gcc: > > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > hmm Ok Im pulling this from ayo.freshrpms. If I download the package directly and rpm -qR it correctly shows dependency on -2, so the header information passed to apt/yum must be bad? -Mark From jakub at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 08:56:48 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:56:48 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2: broken dependency? In-Reply-To: <1069440613.24851.18.camel@rower-lab> References: <1069439338.24851.13.camel@rower-lab> <1069440613.24851.18.camel@rower-lab> Message-ID: <20031125085648.GT3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 01:50:13PM -0500, mark heslep wrote: > > > The cpp dependency is still sitting on 3.3.2-1 which breaks apt and yum > > for me. This happens if you also upgrade gcc-c++ to -2 and then try to > > reinstall gcc: > > > > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > > > > hmm Ok Im pulling this from ayo.freshrpms. If I download the package > directly and rpm -qR it correctly shows dependency on -2, so the header > information passed to apt/yum must be bad? It certainly works for me just fine using up2date with: yum fedora-core-update-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/i386 in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources Jakub From pmatilai at welho.com Tue Nov 25 10:17:09 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:17:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: gcc-3.3.2-2: broken dependency? In-Reply-To: <1069440613.24851.18.camel@rower-lab> References: <1069439338.24851.13.camel@rower-lab> <1069440613.24851.18.camel@rower-lab> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, mark heslep wrote: > > > The cpp dependency is still sitting on 3.3.2-1 which breaks apt and yum > > for me. This happens if you also upgrade gcc-c++ to -2 and then try to > > reinstall gcc: > > > > gcc: Depends: cpp (= 3.3.2-1) but 3.3.2-2 is to be installed > > > > hmm Ok Im pulling this from ayo.freshrpms. If I download the package > directly and rpm -qR it correctly shows dependency on -2, so the header > information passed to apt/yum must be bad? That in practice means that there's no gcc 3.3.2-2 there yet: it (both yum and apt) see a newer version cpp, want to upgrade it but wont since there's no gcc available to satisfy the dependency. I'd say the repo is just out of sync slightly. - Panu - From zboszor at freemail.hu Tue Nov 25 11:36:00 2003 From: zboszor at freemail.hu (Boszormenyi Zoltan) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:36:00 +0100 Subject: msg2qm is missing Message-ID: <3FC33EA0.5060705@freemail.hu> Hi, I am trying to improve the Hungarian translation of Scribus but msg2qm (of the Qt tools) is missing. I have a full installation of Fedora Core 1. $ ls /usr/lib/qt-3.1/bin assistant findtr lrelease moc qmake qtconfig uic designer linguist lupdate qm2ts qt20fix qtrename140 findtr collects the translatable strings but how could I make a .qm file? -- Best regards, Zolt?n B?sz?rm?nyi --------------------- What did Hussein say about his knife? One in Bush worth two in the hand. From edwarner99 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 13:25:06 2003 From: edwarner99 at yahoo.com (edwarner99 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 05:25:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Upgrading from RH9 Message-ID: <20031125132506.11324.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Having to switch to Fedora from RH9 because of the cost, I have a few questions. My system is running DHCP and a Firewall. 1. Can I even do an upgrade from the CD's instead of a complete install? 2. What (configuration files) if anything do I need to save? 3. Any guidance on the web--somewhere? Thanks, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Nov 25 13:41:08 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:41:08 +0100 Subject: msg2qm is missing In-Reply-To: <3FC33EA0.5060705@freemail.hu> References: <3FC33EA0.5060705@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <20031125144108.45f73798.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:36:00 +0100, Boszormenyi Zoltan wrote: > I am trying to improve the Hungarian translation of Scribus > but msg2qm (of the Qt tools) is missing. > I have a full installation of Fedora Core 1. Fedora Core 1 => fedora-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list This is fedora-test-list at redhat.com and is about test releases. Your message should have been sent to fedora-list at redhat.com > $ ls /usr/lib/qt-3.1/bin > assistant findtr lrelease moc qmake qtconfig uic > designer linguist lupdate qm2ts qt20fix qtrename140 > > findtr collects the translatable strings > but how could I make a .qm file? msg2qm is Qt 2.x, not Qt 3.x. You could fetch the qt 3 src.rpm and build the optional (!) msg2qm or fetch the qt 2 src.rpm from Red Hat Linux 9 where msg2qm is built and included by default. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Nov 25 14:30:16 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:30:16 -0600 Subject: Upgrading from RH9 In-Reply-To: <20031125132506.11324.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031125132506.11324.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FC36778.4090507@earthlink.net> edwarner99 at yahoo.com wrote: > Hi, > > Having to switch to Fedora from RH9 because of the > cost, I have a few questions. > My system is running DHCP and a Firewall. > > 1. Can I even do an upgrade from the CD's instead of a > complete install? That is what I did. I also did a fresh install in another partition, and for the first time after doing both of these, I chose to stay with the upgrade from RHL9 instead of using the fresh install. > > 2. What (configuration files) if anything do I need to > save? It's a good idea to have all your home directory backed up somewhere in order to be able to retrieve anything. I usually do $ cd $ mkdir oldstuff $ cp -R .???* oldstuff/ before upgrade to make everthing I have available later. Another way is to move everything to oldstuff to allow all new configs to be written; see copy below of a post from another person: ========================================= I have found this trick very useful in the past when upgrading or reinstalling a system that has a separate /home partition that will survive the upgrade/install: $ cd $ mkdir oldstuff $ mv -R .???* oldstuff/ Do this before an upgrade. The reasoning is that many old config files in your home directory tend to be a wee bit unsuitable for new apps or app versions. (The .???* filemask is a hangover from the old days - I am too chicken to risk having a command operate on . and .. as well ;-) ) Then log in, and check things out. You can always bring back previous configs from ~/oldstuff/ if they are too painful to recreate. One of the biggest beneficiaries of this trick has been (for me) KDE, but many other apps, like gaim, galeon, etc. have also benefitted from not being forced to emulate old version configs. =========================================== Another technique I use is to have all my own data files in a separate partiton called /data, and only my configuration in my home directory. /data doesn't get changed by any new install, so all my data files are preserved. This is also handy for sharing these files between several versions of RH/Fedora linux I have on various partitions. > > 3. Any guidance on the web--somewhere? > Take a look at a lot of comments about this process in the fedora-list archives using the archives link at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Hope this helps. Gerry From nbecker at hns.com Tue Nov 25 15:31:47 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: I think fedora needs... In-Reply-To: <20031125150058.GF12979@redhat.com> References: <20031120221901.30050.81125.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <1069768395.17558.11.camel@casa> <20031125150058.GF12979@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311251031.47518.nbecker@hns.com> On Tuesday 25 November 2003 10:00, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 11:53:15AM -0200, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > Em Ter, 2003-11-25 ?s 10:11, Tarjei Knapstad escreveu: > > > > Ah, dreamweaver... the killer app which does not have anything like > > > > it under linux.. > > > > > > Maybe that won't last too long: http://www.nvu.com/ > > > > If it can be half of dreamweaver, I will buy a 12-pack of guinness to > > comemorate it :-) > > Hum, Daniel Glazman knows his stuff, he knows well about the > issues. Maybe the UI or the set of feture won't be able to compete > but for the core I expect this to be a solid "product". > How about quanta plus? From cmrhbl at mossc.com Tue Nov 25 15:54:09 2003 From: cmrhbl at mossc.com (C Moss) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:54:09 -0500 Subject: opteron 64-bit isos? In-Reply-To: <20031105160800.B18257@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from notting@redhat.com on Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:08:00PM -0500 References: <200311051601.58645.nbecker@hns.com> <20031105160800.B18257@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031125105409.A9033@mossc.com> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:08:00PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Neal D. Becker (nbecker at hns.com) said: > > Any ETA for AMD 64-bit isos? > > After a kernel. Any more details available on this? Specifically what forward progress has been made? What approach has been taken? Who is working on this? What can we do to help/test? Is the best place to track development? I don't see much x86_64 traffic on the lists at the moment, which list would be most active re: amd64 Chuck From wade at gotsvt.com Tue Nov 25 16:12:33 2003 From: wade at gotsvt.com (Wade Bowlin) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:12:33 -0500 Subject: segfault in rpm In-Reply-To: <200311241707.37166.jent@spicylemons.com> References: <200311201138.27966.nbecker@hns.com> <20031121042559.GA13795@prince.homelinux.org> <1069597255.28518.0.camel@kyle.point-zero.net> <200311241707.37166.jent@spicylemons.com> Message-ID: <1069776752.3768.1.camel@kyle.point-zero.net> I had rpm seg fault on another rpm install. Running rpm --rebuilddb fixed it. Note to self... RTFM... or just --help. On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 19:07, Mike Jensen wrote: > It might be a hardware problem. If you overheated your cpu at some time or > caused some other damage in some ways you can get a segfault. Usally code > 11. I would run prime on it and see if you get any errors to see if there is > a problem. Hope this helped. > > I ran into the same thing last night trying to install gpsdrive?!? > > Anyone else? From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 16:19:47 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:19:47 -0600 Subject: opteron 64-bit isos? In-Reply-To: <20031125105409.A9033@mossc.com> References: <200311051601.58645.nbecker@hns.com> <20031105160800.B18257@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031125105409.A9033@mossc.com> Message-ID: <20031125161947.GA16890@comcast.net> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:54:09AM -0500, C Moss wrote: > Any more details available on this? > > Specifically what forward progress has been made? > The kernel is much closer now, it boots on AMD64 systems, AGPgart, DMA mode, ATA133 for NF3 chipsets works, and the needed ia32syscalls have been implemented. Particularly what is left is: - Fix futex issue (Required for Test release) - SATA support for Sil (Desired, but not required) > What approach has been taken? > - davej did the initial work to merge the required nptl changes, etc to AMD64 - We began working on missing pieces, drivers, etc for a stable working kernel, see status above for what is left as a *must* - I have set up a distro tree with the required 32bit compat libs and applications which are required for one reason or another (Open Office, 32bit mozilla for plugins), and 64bit for everything else. - Fix, build, test...repeat > Who is working on this? > Currently Dave Jones and Myself, with direction from Michael Johnson, and input from developers on IRC and emails. > What can we do to help/test? > Hopefully a pre-test1 (may cause dmg, use at your own risk, etc) tree will be made axfvailaxvble sooni for the brave, otherwise, wait for an announcement of test1 isos being made available. > Is > the best place to track development? > Not really, this is what used to be the old Rawhide tree, our current AMD64 tree is in synch with FC1 plus updates in a released or test state. That development tree is from the build system, and not necessarily reflective of the AMD64 FC1 tree. > I don't see much x86_64 traffic on the lists at the moment, > which list would be most active re: amd64 > There has been little traffic as of late, but expect to see traffic here when test1 is made available. Justin M. Forbes From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 25 17:01:11 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:01:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Open Carpet In-Reply-To: <3FC2CDD4.30900@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: > I have a sort of red-carpet messed up Fedora installation. I could > afford to see what this open carpet program can do. It started to work Open-Carpet is actually more for running a Red-Carpet server. It can generate the required Metadata. If you are just a user wanting to use red-carpet for updating, you simply need install red-carpet for RH9, and then do: rug service-add http://open-carpet.org To add in the open-carpet.org's servers. Next, you need to subscribe to some channels, either from rug (command-line client), or from the red-carpet-gui. > until I got so far into using the installation. I then got some error > with red-carpet bombing. I don't follow here. You were installing red-carpet and it bombed? I hope you weren't trying to install Ximian Desktop 2 on fedora, I suspect that would result in an almost unfixable mess. > I'll google for the link to the program. Information on open-carpet: http://www.open-carpet.org The version of Red-carpet you need to use is: ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/redcarpet2/redhat-9-i386/ If you have an older version installed, make sure you restart the rcd service after installing the new version, as the cilents and daemon aren't compatible between 1.4.x and 2.x. Now I just wish Red-Carpet had it's own rhn-applet-gui sort of thing. Of course, I also wish that rcd could directly read YUM and APT repos, but I am braking up the wrong tree to mention that on this list. -- noah silva > Jim > -- > Everything that you know is wrong, but you can be straightened out. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Tue Nov 25 18:12:05 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:12:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: I think fedora needs... In-Reply-To: <200311251031.47518.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: > > > > Maybe that won't last too long: http://www.nvu.com/ > > > > > > If it can be half of dreamweaver, I will buy a 12-pack of guinness to > > > comemorate it :-) > > > > Hum, Daniel Glazman knows his stuff, he knows well about the > > issues. Maybe the UI or the set of feture won't be able to compete > > but for the core I expect this to be a solid "product". > > > > How about quanta plus? > I think quanta is more designed to compete with HomeSite (like Bluefish) > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 18:12:07 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:12:07 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <200311211533.11235.lowen@pari.edu> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211456.47764.lowen@pari.edu> <1069445904.29369.40.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211533.11235.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <20031125181207.GA13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 03:33:11PM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote: > My recommendation at this point is to NOT release an official update to > PostgreSQL 7.4 exactly because of the data incompatibility. If people want > PostgreSQL 7.4 RPMs on their FC1, they can traipse over to > ftp.postgresql.org.... :-) Eventually, I'm hoping that Fedora Altnernatives will also be a place that people can go to get new and incompatible versions of software when they know they can deal with the incompatibilities. > Maybe by the time FC2 is out I can have the multiversion install stuff > working. Ah, the holy grail. :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com Tue Nov 25 18:18:06 2003 From: kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com (Karl DeBisschop) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:18:06 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <20031125181207.GA13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211456.47764.lowen@pari.edu> <1069445904.29369.40.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211533.11235.lowen@pari.edu> <20031125181207.GA13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1069784285.16729.19.camel@skilletinfopleasecom.nh.pearsoned.com> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 13:12, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 03:33:11PM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote: > > My recommendation at this point is to NOT release an official update to > > PostgreSQL 7.4 exactly because of the data incompatibility. If people want > > PostgreSQL 7.4 RPMs on their FC1, they can traipse over to > > ftp.postgresql.org.... :-) > > Eventually, I'm hoping that Fedora Altnernatives will also be a > place that people can go to get new and incompatible versions of > software when they know they can deal with the incompatibilities. > > > Maybe by the time FC2 is out I can have the multiversion install stuff > > working. Lamar - if I can help, let me know. -- Karl DeBisschop Pearson Education/Information Please From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 18:19:53 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:19:53 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <1069677682.28039.115.camel@miles.debisschop.net> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <1069485756.2780.2.camel@kodiak.shivan.org> <1069677682.28039.115.camel@miles.debisschop.net> Message-ID: <20031125181953.GB13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 07:41:22AM -0500, Karl DeBisschop wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 02:22, Bruce A. Locke wrote: > > I'm sure I'm going to get smacked for this but... why is this going in > > as a Fedora 1 update? This description makes it sound like a major > > feature upgrade which quite frankly should not be an 'update' for a > > released version. > > > > Am I reading too much into this or way off base? > > Hopefully I'm not smacking you, but I do somewhat disagree. Exactly, I wouldn't want to smack Bruce at all; it's appropriate to ask questions and clarify intent. > To me, one of the virtues of Fedora is that the idea that the feature > set is not locked down during the course of a release. This mostly > happens because Fedora will do less backporting, so newer features will > 'naturally' drift in . So yes, this is odd in that the features come in > by way of backporting. But I won't refuse the gift. > > When I object, is when the feature additions can be expected to cause > incompatibilities. So as long as the result is stable and the backported > features do not require an initdb, I'm happy. Karl, you have stated our intent very well. We want to avoid gratuitous incompatibility within a release, but we want to roll new functionality forward when it is consistent with our other goals, such as robustness. We wouldn't have gone off and specifically created a bunch of 7.4 backports for postgresql to put into Fedora Core. However, because the packages existed anyway, were being released for Fedora Core anyway, were comprised of backports of stuff already accepted into upstream postgresql development, and were data-compatible with the older packags, it made sense to update them. Certainly more sense than maintaining two divergent package sets built off slightly different code. Thanks, michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From lowen at pari.edu Tue Nov 25 18:51:16 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:51:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <20031125181207.GA13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211533.11235.lowen@pari.edu> <20031125181207.GA13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200311251351.16963.lowen@pari.edu> On Tuesday 25 November 2003 01:12 pm, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Eventually, I'm hoping that Fedora Altnernatives will also be a > place that people can go to get new and incompatible versions of > software when they know they can deal with the incompatibilities. That would be one good thing for FA to be. > > Maybe by the time FC2 is out I can have the multiversion install stuff > > working. > Ah, the holy grail. :-) Yes, indeed. I do have a rough roadmap, courtesy of Oliver Elphick, the Debian PostgreSQL maintainer. He and I have conversed a good deal on this subject, and he has a proposal. I haven't gone over it with a fine tooth comb as yet, but there are a number of things I really like about it. The gist of the proposal is to treat PostgreSQL the same way the kernel is treated. That is, you don't upgrade kernels; you install the new one, and they coexist. For PostgreSQL it's a little more complicated; but Oliver has most things right down the line. I will post to the -devel list a proposal for it as soon as I have it distilled into a Fedora-ish form. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From lowen at pari.edu Tue Nov 25 18:57:11 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:57:11 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <1069784285.16729.19.camel@skilletinfopleasecom.nh.pearsoned.com> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <20031125181207.GA13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1069784285.16729.19.camel@skilletinfopleasecom.nh.pearsoned.com> Message-ID: <200311251357.11325.lowen@pari.edu> On Tuesday 25 November 2003 01:18 pm, Karl DeBisschop wrote: > Lamar - if I can help, let me know. Of course. You've helped before, and I appreciate the offer now. Separate e-mail sent with raw info.... -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From jvilla at isdesigndev.com Tue Nov 25 19:01:20 2003 From: jvilla at isdesigndev.com (Jonathan Villa) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:01:20 -0600 Subject: Mouse goes crazy Message-ID: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> Ok, I have had Yarrow working well for a while now, but yesterday I started experiencing some odd issues with my mouse. All of a sudden it stops working correctly. The only thing that seems to fix is to kill X and run mouse-test, then restart. Any ideas? Also, I have FC 1 running on a desktop which is hooked up to a KVM switch. Whenever I go to another PC, and return, the same thing happens, the mouse goes crazy. ??? From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Nov 25 19:36:16 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:36:16 +0100 Subject: Mouse goes crazy In-Reply-To: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> References: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> Message-ID: <3FC3AF30.5030506@gmx.de> Jonathan Villa wrote: >Ok, I have had Yarrow working well for a while now, but yesterday I >started experiencing some odd issues with my mouse. All of a sudden it >stops working correctly. The only thing that seems to fix is to kill X >and run mouse-test, then restart. > >Any ideas? > > what happens if you stop 'gpm' # service gpm stop >Also, I have FC 1 running on a desktop which is hooked up to a KVM >switch. Whenever I go to another PC, and return, the same thing >happens, the mouse goes crazy. > you should find something about in the archives http://www.redhat.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=mouse+kvm+crazy&ps=20&o=0&m=all&wm=wrd&ul= -- shrek-m From cherring at nbbc.edu Tue Nov 25 19:38:32 2003 From: cherring at nbbc.edu (Craig Herring) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:38:32 -0600 Subject: Mouse goes crazy In-Reply-To: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> References: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> Message-ID: <1069789112.28978.30.camel@l0654-03-ded61f.nmi.northlandministries.org> Do you have a Belkin KVM? I have the same problem here. I solved it by using the Logitech PS/2 mouse+ driver. However my scroll doesn't work. HOWEVER-> this trick doesn't work with the 2.6test kernel. Anyone have more insight? Craig Herring On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 13:01, Jonathan Villa wrote: > Ok, I have had Yarrow working well for a while now, but yesterday I > started experiencing some odd issues with my mouse. All of a sudden it > stops working correctly. The only thing that seems to fix is to kill X > and run mouse-test, then restart. > > Any ideas? > > Also, I have FC 1 running on a desktop which is hooked up to a KVM > switch. Whenever I go to another PC, and return, the same thing > happens, the mouse goes crazy. > > ??? > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 20:03:36 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:03:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: postgresql-7.3.4-10 In-Reply-To: <200311251351.16963.lowen@pari.edu> References: <1069370964.8161.85.camel@tomboy.toronto.redhat.com> <200311211533.11235.lowen@pari.edu> <20031125181207.GA13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200311251351.16963.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <20031125200336.GC13668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:51:16PM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote: > The gist of the proposal is to treat PostgreSQL the same way the kernel is > treated. That is, you don't upgrade kernels; you install the new one, and > they coexist. For PostgreSQL it's a little more complicated; but Oliver has > most things right down the line. I will post to the -devel list a proposal > for it as soon as I have it distilled into a Fedora-ish form. Hmm. Kernel is special-cased in all the tools. Everything else that has allowed you to install multiple versions has put the new version number or some other differentiator in the name, like the gimp-beta or gimp2 packages. I'd say that there would be a lot less friction following this path for PostgreSQL as well. But as you say, that's really a topic for -devel. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From cmrhbl at mossc.com Tue Nov 25 20:50:12 2003 From: cmrhbl at mossc.com (C Moss) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:50:12 -0500 Subject: Mouse goes crazy In-Reply-To: <1069789112.28978.30.camel@l0654-03-ded61f.nmi.northlandministries.org>; from cherring@nbbc.edu on Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:38:32PM -0600 References: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> <1069789112.28978.30.camel@l0654-03-ded61f.nmi.northlandministries.org> Message-ID: <20031125155012.A10476@mossc.com> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:38:32PM -0600, Craig Herring wrote: > Do you have a Belkin KVM? I have the same problem here. I solved it by > using the Logitech PS/2 mouse+ driver. However my scroll doesn't work. > HOWEVER-> this trick doesn't work with the 2.6test kernel. Anyone have > more insight? This isn't a solution but the problem may be related to the issue addressed in the release notes of 2.6test10: Don't force PS/2 mouse rate or resolution by default. Only set the rate/resolution if the user actually asked for it. Some mice and KVM switches don't like to have their rate forced. Don't know if that change has been backported. Chuck From nalin at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 22:53:49 2003 From: nalin at redhat.com (Nalin Dahyabhai) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:53:49 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: nss_ldap-207-6 Message-ID: <20031125225349.GF18279@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2003-023 2003-11-25 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : nss_ldap Version : 207 Release : 6 Summary : NSS library and PAM module for LDAP. Description : This package includes two LDAP access clients: nss_ldap and pam_ldap. Nss_ldap is a set of C library extensions that allow X.500 and LDAP directory servers to be used as a primary source of aliases, ethers, groups, hosts, networks, protocol, users, RPCs, services, and shadow passwords (instead of or in addition to using flat files or NIS). Pam_ldap is a module for Linux-PAM that supports password changes, V2 clients, Netscape's SSL, ypldapd, Netscape Directory Server password policies, access authorization, and crypted hashes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: The nss_ldap package included in Fedora Core 1 would fail to perform schema mapping due to an incompatibility with newer versions of Berkeley DB, such as the one with which it was built. This incompatibility was fixed upstream in version 210, and is fixed in this update. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Nov 25 2003 Nalin Dahyabhai 207-6 - rebuild * Thu Nov 20 2003 Nalin Dahyabhai 207-5 - fix objectclass and attribute mapping, which failed due to uninitialized fields in mapping index structures, fixed upstream in 210 (#110547) * Mon Nov 10 2003 Nalin Dahyabhai 207-4 - link with the proper libsasl (1 or 2) for the version of OpenLDAP we are linking with (#106801) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/nss_ldap-207-6.src.rpm md5 sum: 69a99a30a54a9208a7ab3e5303f751a2 i386/nss_ldap-207-6.i386.rpm md5 sum: 4ed09b9cf1703d13164ec8241bef1f3e i386/debug/nss_ldap-debuginfo-207-6.i386.rpm md5 sum: 0f635e4ef5f6378829b62e61da441584 This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michal From nalin at redhat.com Wed Nov 26 00:36:09 2003 From: nalin at redhat.com (Nalin Dahyabhai) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 Message-ID: <20031126003609.GA11772@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2003-024 2003-11-25 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name : pam_krb5 Version : 2.0.5 Release : 1 Summary : A Pluggable Authentication Module for Kerberos 5. Description : This is pam_krb5, a pluggable authentication module that can be used with Linux-PAM and Kerberos 5. This module supports password checking, ticket creation, and optional TGT verification and conversion to Kerberos IV tickets. The included pam_krb5afs module also gets AFS tokens if so configured. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: The version of pam_krb5 included in Fedora Core 1 did not honor the ticket_lifetime setting in /etc/krb5.conf's [appdefaults] section, in the "pam" subsection. The default renewable lifetime set in this configuration file is 10 hours. The default ticket lifetime used in libkrb5 is 24 hours. When answering a request for initial credentials which specifies these lifetimes, some KDC implementations will reply with initial credentials with a renewable lifetime increased to match the ticket lifetime. This modification to the response is treated as an error by libkrb5, and authentication fails when it would otherwise succeed. The updated version of pam_krb5 now honors the ticket_lifetime setting, and the configured default ticket lifetime (10 hours) does not trigger this error condition. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/ SRPMS/pam_krb5-2.0.5-1.src.rpm md5 sum: ac92e1a6607ac0c7298088d6f561b107 i386/pam_krb5-2.0.5-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 4c74720189780c9a946d8d5ba1c3a64f i386/debug/pam_krb5-debuginfo-2.0.5-1.i386.rpm md5 sum: 2f2722b9bf5475589fd09f1891f7af7b This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The default ticket lifetime used in > libkrb5 is 24 hours. > > When answering a request for initial credentials which specifies > these lifetimes, some KDC implementations will reply with initial > credentials with a renewable lifetime increased to match the ticket > lifetime. This modification to the response is treated as an error > by libkrb5, and authentication fails when it would otherwise succeed. Some discussion for interested parties: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109331 Cheers, Nalin From cmrhbl at mossc.com Wed Nov 26 02:51:29 2003 From: cmrhbl at mossc.com (C Moss) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:51:29 -0500 Subject: opteron 64-bit isos? In-Reply-To: <20031125161947.GA16890@comcast.net>; from 64bit_fedora@comcast.net on Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:19:47AM -0600 References: <200311051601.58645.nbecker@hns.com> <20031105160800.B18257@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031125105409.A9033@mossc.com> <20031125161947.GA16890@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031125215129.A11912@mossc.com> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:19:47AM -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:54:09AM -0500, C Moss wrote: > > Any more details available on this? > > > > Specifically what forward progress has been made? > > > The kernel is much closer now, it boots on AMD64 systems, AGPgart, DMA > mode, ATA133 for NF3 chipsets works, and the needed ia32syscalls have been > implemented. Particularly what is left is: > > - Fix futex issue (Required for Test release) > - SATA support for Sil (Desired, but not required) > > > What approach has been taken? > > > - davej did the initial work to merge the required nptl changes, etc to > AMD64 > - We began working on missing pieces, drivers, etc for a stable working > kernel, see status above for what is left as a *must* > - I have set up a distro tree with the required 32bit compat libs and > applications which are required for one reason or another (Open Office, > 32bit mozilla for plugins), and 64bit for everything else. > - Fix, build, test...repeat Is this based on the 2.4.22 kernel? > > > Who is working on this? > > > Currently Dave Jones and Myself, with direction from Michael Johnson, and > input from developers on IRC and emails. > > > What can we do to help/test? > > > Hopefully a pre-test1 (may cause dmg, use at your own risk, etc) tree will > be made axfvailaxvble sooni for the brave, otherwise, wait for an announcement of test1 isos > being made available. I hope to have a dual opteron 12 gb machine back in my hands this Friday. At that point I would love to dive into the test process. Since nothing is running on it now file corruptions/ destroyed installs are not an issue. RHEL does not work on this with the full complement of ram so I am hoping that an updated kernel and fedora with squash some relevent bugs. ;-) > > > Is > > the best place to track development? > > > Not really, this is what used to be the old Rawhide tree, our current AMD64 > tree is in synch with FC1 plus updates in a released or test state. That > development tree is from the build system, and not necessarily reflective > of the AMD64 FC1 tree. I assume this is hosted on a non-public server, correct. > > > I don't see much x86_64 traffic on the lists at the moment, > > which list would be most active re: amd64 > > > There has been little traffic as of late, but expect to see traffic here > when test1 is made available. I bet. ;-) Chuck From mlyman-linux at comcast.net Wed Nov 26 03:05:44 2003 From: mlyman-linux at comcast.net (Mike Lyman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:05:44 -0600 Subject: Mouse goes crazy In-Reply-To: <1069789112.28978.30.camel@l0654-03-ded61f.nmi.northlandministries.org> References: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> <1069789112.28978.30.camel@l0654-03-ded61f.nmi.northlandministries.org> Message-ID: <1069815943.2140.34.camel@fedora.lymans.net> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 13:38, Craig Herring wrote: > Do you have a Belkin KVM? I have the same problem here. I solved it by > using the Logitech PS/2 mouse+ driver. However my scroll doesn't work. > HOWEVER-> this trick doesn't work with the 2.6test kernel. Anyone have > more insight? I've long run into this with my Belkin KVM when switching to my Red Hat system (although strangely enough not yet on Fedora.) Switching to a text only console via and back to usually cleared it up. 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From ojgbagg27ab at msn.com Wed Nov 26 04:28:50 2003 From: ojgbagg27ab at msn.com (alton bailey) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:28:50 -0500 Subject: Upgrading from RH9 Message-ID: just load the cd and follow instruction redhat9 and fedora is the same procuder when it come to installing yes you can upgrade from 9 to fedoa >From: >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Subject: Upgrading from RH9 >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 05:25:06 -0800 (PST) > >Hi, > >Having to switch to Fedora from RH9 because of the >cost, I have a few questions. >My system is running DHCP and a Firewall. > >1. Can I even do an upgrade from the CD's instead of a >complete install? > >2. What (configuration files) if anything do I need to >save? > >3. Any guidance on the web--somewhere? > >Thanks, > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Wed Nov 26 05:05:38 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:05:38 -0600 Subject: opteron 64-bit isos? In-Reply-To: <20031125215129.A11912@mossc.com> References: <200311051601.58645.nbecker@hns.com> <20031105160800.B18257@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20031125105409.A9033@mossc.com> <20031125161947.GA16890@comcast.net> <20031125215129.A11912@mossc.com> Message-ID: <20031126050538.GA21729@comcast.net> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 09:51:29PM -0500, C Moss wrote: > Is this based on the 2.4.22 kernel? > Yes, This is based on the same kernel as FC 1, and should be the same SRPM for all packages. > I assume this is hosted on a non-public server, correct. > Not that it is being hidden, just that I have a 256k upstream max. I know davej has been keeping a distro tree as well, though without the 32bit stuff for now. All packages in my distro tree are or have been available from Red Hat public sources. They should be available as a tree somewhere soon. Justin From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 26 13:01:06 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:01:06 -0500 Subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support In-Reply-To: <3FC48BF0.60005@israel-jugendtag.ch> References: <3FC48BF0.60005@israel-jugendtag.ch> Message-ID: <200311260801.06733.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 26 November 2003 06:18, Roland K?ser wrote: > Hi all > > What about moving the user database to LDAP for the FC2 release? It > would be possible to integrate also the samba part of the user records > directly to the LDAP directory. The only thing we need is a useful ldap > administration frontend and the command line tools for creating and > modifying the user records from the command line. The most of the > command line tools are shipped with the samba source code. It it is > desired, i can make a RPM for that. > I'm curious about moving to LDAP server (currently using rdist to sync passwords and groups), but I still haven't found a simple step-by-step guide to setting up the LDAP server and copying password and group data to it. AFAICT, the only existing howtos are so general that I can't tell what to do. From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Nov 26 14:25:48 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:25:48 -0500 Subject: Bug Day 7: Nov 26,2003: -Imagine something clever relating Thanksgiving to bughunting here- Message-ID: <1069856748.28813.19.camel@spatula.pppl.gov> It's the day before Thanksgiving, what's a better way to work up an appetite for 40 lbs worthy of deep fried turkey meat than with some quality QA? Trick question...there is nothing better! For lack of something original and because the need is still as great as it was last time, I hereby deem today's bug day theme to be Fedora.us QA. Become involved in the fedora.us QA process and help QA packages that are waiting to be published in the fedora.us addon repo: http://www.fedora.us/QA. There are 279 packages sitting waiting for QA. That's 279 packages the Fedora community could be enjoying in the published fedora.us repository trees, once they have made it through the community QA process. Remember, until the full merge is completed and Fedora Extras and Alternatives is up and running...community packagers are being advised to use fedora.us's process: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-November/msg00649.html How do you become involved in the fedora.us QA process? Easy, read: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy I think there are enough people in the freenode irc network's #fedora-bugs channel who are already part of the fedora.us QA wagon train to provide some guidance if you are new to the process (hint hint hint, that means if you ARE part of the fedora.us QA process right now, it might be in your best interests to sit in the channel and gingerly help new people getting started in this process as part of the bug day call to arms) -jef"yeah i know I need to send these emails out on mondays"spaleta From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Nov 26 15:09:24 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:09:24 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 In-Reply-To: <20031126003609.GA11772@redhat.com> References: <20031126003609.GA11772@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20031126160924.21162ca1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Update Notification Shouldn't that be "Fedora Test Update Notification"? With all these inconsistencies in message subject and body, it gets a bit troublesome to keep the local filtering up-to-date. First I've tried to adapt to the changing subject line. Now the message body keeps changing to. The regexp is getting longer. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From czar at czarc.net Wed Nov 26 15:23:20 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:23:20 -0500 Subject: oops ... bugzilla certificate Message-ID: <200311261023.20750.czar@czarc.net> The bugzilla certifcate has expired. -- Gene From michal at harddata.com Wed Nov 26 15:24:45 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:24:45 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 In-Reply-To: <20031126160924.21162ca1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de>; from ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de on Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 04:09:24PM +0100 References: <20031126003609.GA11772@redhat.com> <20031126160924.21162ca1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20031126082445.A15842@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 04:09:24PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Fedora Update Notification > > Shouldn't that be "Fedora Test Update Notification"? > > With all these inconsistencies in message subject and body, it gets > a bit troublesome to keep the local filtering up-to-date. So far I resorted to filtering over a message header. If it is "To: fedora-test-list...." then this is "Fedora Test ...." and URLs will have "testing" in them even if a posting itself says otherwise. For a time beeing it works. :-) Michal From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Nov 26 15:49:49 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:49:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support In-Reply-To: <200311260801.06733.nbecker@hns.com> References: <3FC48BF0.60005@israel-jugendtag.ch> <200311260801.06733.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Wednesday 26 November 2003 06:18, Roland K?ser wrote: > > Hi all > > > > What about moving the user database to LDAP for the FC2 release? It > > would be possible to integrate also the samba part of the user records > > directly to the LDAP directory. The only thing we need is a useful ldap > > administration frontend and the command line tools for creating and > > modifying the user records from the command line. The most of the > > command line tools are shipped with the samba source code. It it is > > desired, i can make a RPM for that. > > > > I'm curious about moving to LDAP server (currently using rdist to sync > passwords and groups), but I still haven't found a simple step-by-step guide > to setting up the LDAP server and copying password and group data to it. > AFAICT, the only existing howtos are so general that I can't tell what to do. AFAIK it does not exist. I understand that the samba docs do whoever have some pretty good info on setting up ldap wrt samba and AD. Maybe thay would be of use to you. .................Tom From david.balazic at hermes.si Wed Nov 26 15:56:39 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:56:39 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0454@piramida.hermes.si> It depends what exactly you want to filter by. If you want sorting by mail lists, use the "List-Id:" header. Regards, David > ---------- > From: Michal Jaegermann[SMTP:michal at harddata.com] > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Sent: 26. november 2003 16:24 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 04:09:24PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Fedora Update Notification > > > > Shouldn't that be "Fedora Test Update Notification"? > > > > With all these inconsistencies in message subject and body, it gets > > a bit troublesome to keep the local filtering up-to-date. > > So far I resorted to filtering over a message header. If it is > "To: fedora-test-list...." then this is "Fedora Test ...." and > URLs will have "testing" in them even if a posting itself says > otherwise. For a time beeing it works. :-) > > Michal > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nalin at redhat.com Wed Nov 26 16:17:03 2003 From: nalin at redhat.com (Nalin Dahyabhai) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:17:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 In-Reply-To: <20031126160924.21162ca1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <20031126003609.GA11772@redhat.com> <20031126160924.21162ca1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20031126161703.GA14750@redhat.com> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 04:09:24PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Fedora Update Notification > > Shouldn't that be "Fedora Test Update Notification"? Yeah. The message is generated by a script, but its output currently needs to be modified for tests, and I missed that spot. Nalin From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Nov 26 16:23:56 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:23:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0454@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0454@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, David Balazic wrote: > It depends what exactly you want to filter by. > If you want sorting by mail lists, use the "List-Id:" header. Actually there are several headers that are normally useful but for purposes of this thread you are missing the point. They are trying to filter the test announcments. The target keeps changing so creative filtering is necessary. hopefully this will settle out to some kind of standard message but...... > > ---------- > > From: Michal Jaegermann[SMTP:michal at harddata.com] > > Reply To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Sent: 26. november 2003 16:24 > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 04:09:24PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:36:09 -0500, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Fedora Update Notification > > > > > > Shouldn't that be "Fedora Test Update Notification"? > > > > > > With all these inconsistencies in message subject and body, it gets > > > a bit troublesome to keep the local filtering up-to-date. > > > > So far I resorted to filtering over a message header. If it is > > "To: fedora-test-list...." then this is "Fedora Test ...." and > > URLs will have "testing" in them even if a posting itself says > > otherwise. For a time beeing it works. :-) ....................Tom From nbecker at hns.com Wed Nov 26 19:15:12 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:15:12 -0500 Subject: Can C++ programs compile under Fedora Core 1? In-Reply-To: <200311261848.20225.cfgi@mega.ist.utl.pt> References: <200311261848.20225.cfgi@mega.ist.utl.pt> Message-ID: <200311261415.12963.nbecker@hns.com> Yes, it is stupid. And you didn't actually ask a question, so I don't know how you expect a yes/no answer to it. There is AFAIK nothing wrong with gcc32 c++. Glancing at your errors, I would guess that something included when it should not have? If you can't figure it out, perhaps add -fsave-temps and look at the cpp output file (.ii) to get a clue what's wrong. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Nov 26 20:07:49 2003 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:07:49 +0000 Subject: Can C++ programs compile under Fedora Core 1? In-Reply-To: <200311261415.12963.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200311261848.20225.cfgi@mega.ist.utl.pt> <200311261415.12963.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1069877268.5488.0.camel@T6.linux> Hi, > There is AFAIK nothing wrong with gcc32 c++. Glancing at your errors, I would > guess that something included when it should not have? If you > can't figure it out, perhaps add -fsave-temps and look at the cpp output file > (.ii) to get a clue what's wrong. No problems compiling C++ under FC1. Do it for a good few hours a day. TTFN Paul -- One OS to fool them all One browser to find them One email client to bring them all And through security holes, blind them... From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 26 20:20:29 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:20:29 +0100 Subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support In-Reply-To: <200311260801.06733.nbecker@hns.com> References: <3FC48BF0.60005@israel-jugendtag.ch> <200311260801.06733.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20031126202029.GC9370@orient.maison.moi> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:01:06AM -0500, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I'm curious about moving to LDAP server (currently using rdist to sync > passwords and groups), but I still haven't found a simple step-by-step guide > to setting up the LDAP server and copying password and group data to it. > AFAICT, the only existing howtos are so general that I can't tell what to do. OpenLDAP comes with the PADL migration tools that can convert your existing configuration files to LDIF format. You can then import this into an OpenLDAP server. Everything is in /usr/share/openldap/migration/ . Directory Administrator (availible from freshrpms) can let you edit the LDAP information through a GUI. Emmanuel From ivo at ra.vendomar.ee Wed Nov 26 20:28:51 2003 From: ivo at ra.vendomar.ee (Ivo Sarak) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:28:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: Fedora Core 1 & routing. In-Reply-To: <1069877268.5488.0.camel@T6.linux> Message-ID: As there is no text based setup->networking-> network configuration in Fedora Core 1 I tried the redhat-config-network. It does let me define several network interfaces and routes. Only little probem is that if to reboot the box the routes and interfaces are defined, but routing is disabled (/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward content is 0). I find it strange that there is no "enable routing" option in redhat-config-network as it was in this previous text based setup->networking->. Routing will start working if to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". Is this a bug or does I get it all wrong? From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Nov 26 20:55:44 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:55:44 +0100 Subject: Fedora Core 1 & routing. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FC51350.4000906@gmx.de> Ivo Sarak wrote: >As there is no text based setup->networking-> network configuration in >Fedora Core 1 I tried the redhat-config-network. >It does let me define several network interfaces and routes. Only little >probem is that if to reboot the box the routes and interfaces are defined, >but routing is disabled (/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward content is 0). > >I find it strange that there is no "enable routing" option in >redhat-config-network as it was in this previous text >based setup->networking->. > > i had never seen that this was possible. i have done it always via /etc/rc.local or via my firewall-script >Routing will start working if to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". > > other possibilities are # grep ip_forw /etc/sysctl.conf net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 change it to "1" # sysctl -p # redhat-config-proc network / ip / ip[2] / ip_forwarding save and activate your configuration >Is this a bug or does I get it all wrong? > > -- shrek-m From nbryant at optonline.net Wed Nov 26 22:23:40 2003 From: nbryant at optonline.net (Nathan Bryant) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:23:40 -0500 Subject: 2.6-test10 won't boot, corrupts disk Message-ID: <3FC527EC.6050903@optonline.net> I tried test10 today by uncommenting arjan's repository in the up2date sources file and running up2date. It couldn't mount the root filesystem due to a problem with the initrd. What happens is that the adaptec module loads fine from the initrd and scans the scsi bus, it prints a message that it is loading the ext3 module, but mounting / fails with an error code. So as a result pivot_root fails and it can't find init. When I rebooted back into 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl, I discovered that /home (which is located on /dev/hda, my first IDE disk) had at least one corrupted directory, apparently in homedir. My system has seen several upgrades so it isn't using fs-labels in fstab. Don't know if that's relevant, but my initrd's work fine under kernel 2.4. Also, after upgrading this machine to both RH9 and now FC1, I had to enter grub commands manually to boot because it apparently couldn't find grub.conf. This is probably because I recently added /dev/hda and changed /dev/sda to no longer be the boot disk. Reinstalling grub manually clears this problem up, but it would be nice to find a way to fix my system so that anaconda won't get confused next time I do an upgrade. And I'm wondering if this is related to the initrd confusion, since I had the same problems when building 2.5.70 myself and had to statically link with the adaptec driver so that I wouldn't need an initrd. /etc/fstab: /dev/sda6 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda4 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda5 swap swap pri=0 0 0 /dev/sda2 /f vfat gid=17,umask=002,noexec 0 0 /dev/hda2 /c ntfs gid=17,umask=007,noexec,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 owner,noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 kudzu,owner,noauto,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /dev/hda3 swap swap pri=0 0 0 /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Thu Nov 27 02:57:49 2003 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:57:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mouse goes crazy In-Reply-To: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> References: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Jonathan Villa wrote: >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:01:20 -0600 >From: Jonathan Villa >To: Fedora Test >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain >Subject: Mouse goes crazy > >Ok, I have had Yarrow working well for a while now, but yesterday I >started experiencing some odd issues with my mouse. All of a sudden it >stops working correctly. The only thing that seems to fix is to kill X >and run mouse-test, then restart. > >Any ideas? > >Also, I have FC 1 running on a desktop which is hooked up to a KVM >switch. Whenever I go to another PC, and return, the same thing >happens, the mouse goes crazy. Unplug the mouse from the KVM, and plug it directly into the PC, then reconfigure the mouse to make sure the proper protocol is being used. Does the mouse work in this configuration? If so, then your KVM is interfering with the mouse protocol. Bugzilla bug alias "KVM" has more detailed information about KVMs and their interaction with X. -- Mike A. Harris From mcolome1 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 03:17:03 2003 From: mcolome1 at yahoo.com (Marcos) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:17:03 -0800 Subject: Mouse goes crazy References: <1069786880.2970.7.camel@in-hoc-vince> Message-ID: <000b01c3b494$ee23f800$6501a8c0@marcosxzixu6t8> Since the first day that Fedora Core 1 was released I have been using it and I have tested in all differents manner and I have not had any kind of problems. In my own personal opinion It runs much better than RedHat 9 and I like it more than RH9, I have purchased and installed the Redhat Professional workstation and it runs pretty good. I have been using an usb optical mouse and it works fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike A. Harris" To: "Fedora Test" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Mouse goes crazy > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Jonathan Villa wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:01:20 -0600 > >From: Jonathan Villa > >To: Fedora Test > >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >Content-Type: text/plain > >Subject: Mouse goes crazy > > > >Ok, I have had Yarrow working well for a while now, but yesterday I > >started experiencing some odd issues with my mouse. All of a sudden it > >stops working correctly. The only thing that seems to fix is to kill X > >and run mouse-test, then restart. > > > >Any ideas? > > > >Also, I have FC 1 running on a desktop which is hooked up to a KVM > >switch. Whenever I go to another PC, and return, the same thing > >happens, the mouse goes crazy. > > Unplug the mouse from the KVM, and plug it directly into the PC, > then reconfigure the mouse to make sure the proper protocol is > being used. > > Does the mouse work in this configuration? If so, then your KVM > is interfering with the mouse protocol. Bugzilla bug alias "KVM" > has more detailed information about KVMs and their interaction > with X. > > > -- > Mike A. Harris > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Nov 27 07:23:21 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:23:21 +0800 Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0454@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0454@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <1069917801.13179.130.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 23:56, David Balazic wrote: > It depends what exactly you want to filter by. > If you want sorting by mail lists, use the "List-Id:" header. All @redhat.com mailing lists I'm aware of use the X-Loop: header containing the mailing list's address for filtering purposes. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Thu Nov 27 09:14:34 2003 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:14:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 In-Reply-To: <1069917801.13179.130.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0454@piramida.hermes.si> <1069917801.13179.130.camel@outhouse.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Chris Kloiber wrote: >Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:23:21 +0800 >From: Chris Kloiber >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain >Subject: RE: Fedora Core 1 Test Update: pam_krb5-2.0.5-1 > >On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 23:56, David Balazic wrote: >> It depends what exactly you want to filter by. >> If you want sorting by mail lists, use the "List-Id:" header. > >All @redhat.com mailing lists I'm aware of use the X-Loop: header >containing the mailing list's address for filtering purposes. X-BeenThere and X-MailingList are what I use for many years, works great. -- Mike A. Harris From clemens at dwf.com Thu Nov 27 09:19:23 2003 From: clemens at dwf.com (clemens at dwf.com) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:19:23 -0700 Subject: Fedora + 2.6.0-test10 = hang in Kudzu Message-ID: <200311270919.hAR9JNZY009509@orion.dwf.com> Just an observation. I have been testing the 2.6.0-test? distributions under Fedora. Up thru test9 I had no trouble booting (other troubles yes, booting no). With 2.6.0-test10 the boot sequence hangs in kudzu. Going back and setting SAFE=yes in /etc/sysconfig/kudzu 'works around' this problem, but I dont understand why I should suddenly have to set this. Perhaps they have 'broken' some driver... -- Reg.Clemens reg at dwf.com From seandarcy at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 17:06:26 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:06:26 -0500 Subject: XFree86-4.3.0-44 build fails in xc/programs/bitmap Message-ID: I'm trying to build XFree from development. It fails here: gcc -m32 -o bitmap -march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse -Os -fno-strict-aliasing -pip e -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wundef -L../../exports/lib BitEdit.o CutPaste.o Grap hics.o ReqMach.o Bitmap.o Dialog.o Handlers.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm - lXext -lX11 -lm -Wl,-rpath-link,../../exports/lib ../../exports/lib/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `.L91' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [bitmap] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/programs/bitmap' Is this the correct list for build issues? thanks sean _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From seandarcy at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 17:10:48 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:10:48 -0500 Subject: koffice-1.2.94-0.3 needs libwv2.1. Where is it? Message-ID: Installing koffice-1.2.94-0.3 I get: libwv2.1 is needed by koffice-1.2.94-0.3 I can't figure out which package ontains libwv2.1. Thanks sean _________________________________________________________________ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com From christoph.wickert at web.de Thu Nov 27 17:42:27 2003 From: christoph.wickert at web.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:42:27 +0100 Subject: koffice-1.2.94-0.3 needs libwv2.1. Where is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069954947.6041.15.camel@hal9000.lokales.netz> Am Do, den 27.11.2003 schrieb sean darcy um 18:10: > Installing koffice-1.2.94-0.3 I get: > > libwv2.1 is needed by koffice-1.2.94-0.3 > > I can't figure out which package ontains libwv2.1. # whichcd libwv You appear to be running Fedora Core 1. I'll search for rpms for that version. Searching for libwv... CD-1:libwvstreams-3.70-12.i386.rpm CD-3:libwvstreams-devel-3.70-12.i386.rpm SOURCE-CD-3:libwvstreams-3.70-12.src.rpm Christoph From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Thu Nov 27 18:24:55 2003 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:24:55 +0100 Subject: XFree86-4.3.0-44 build fails in xc/programs/bitmap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069957495.4286.368.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> Am Do, den 27.11.2003 schrieb sean darcy um 18:06: > I'm trying to build XFree from development. It fails here: > > gcc -m32 -o bitmap -march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse -Os > -fno-strict-aliasing -pip e -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wundef > -L../../exports/lib BitEdit.o CutPaste.o Grap hics.o ReqMach.o Bitmap.o > Dialog.o Handlers.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm - > lXext -lX11 -lm -Wl,-rpath-link,../../exports/lib > ../../exports/lib/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `.L91' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[4]: *** [bitmap] Error 1 > make[4]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/programs/bitmap' > > > Is this the correct list for build issues? If you build test packages I think so. > thanks > > sean Btw. to set "-march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse" as gcc 3.3 compiler options the 3dnow, sse, mmx and -mfemath=sse calls are redundant as the -march setting to athlon-xp will choose that all. 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Message-ID: Cristoph wrote: >Am Do, den 27.11.2003 schrieb sean darcy um 18:10: >>Installing koffice-1.2.94-0.3 I get: >> >>libwv2.1 is needed by koffice-1.2.94-0.3 >> >>I can't figure out which package ontains libwv2.1. ># whichcd libwv >You appear to be running Fedora Core 1. >I'll search for rpms for that version. >Searching for libwv... > >CD-1:libwvstreams-3.70-12.i386.rpm >CD-3:libwvstreams-devel-3.70-12.i386.rpm >SOURCE-CD-3:libwvstreams-3.70-12.src.rpm > >Christoph Thanks for the reply, but I don't think so: Provides from libwvstreams-3.70-12.i386.rpm : libwvcrypto.so.3.7 libwvstreams.so.3.7 libwvutils.so.3.7 libwvstreams sean _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com From jakub at redhat.com Thu Nov 27 18:31:20 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:31:20 -0500 Subject: XFree86-4.3.0-44 build fails in xc/programs/bitmap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031127183120.GC3017@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 12:06:26PM -0500, sean darcy wrote: > I'm trying to build XFree from development. It fails here: > > gcc -m32 -o bitmap -march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse -Os > -fno-strict-aliasing -pip e -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wundef > -L../../exports/lib BitEdit.o CutPaste.o Grap hics.o ReqMach.o Bitmap.o > Dialog.o Handlers.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm - > lXext -lX11 -lm -Wl,-rpath-link,../../exports/lib > ../../exports/lib/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `.L91' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[4]: *** [bitmap] Error 1 > make[4]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/programs/bitmap' > > > Is this the correct list for build issues? No. If you suspect a bug in the compiler (which this looks like it), find out which libXaw.so object has undefined .L91 symbol and file a bugreport in http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ with the details (gcc command line used to compile that object with .L91 undefined reference (use e.g. nm -u to find out), preprocessed source (add -save-temps to gcc options, rerun it and attach the resulting .i file) and exact gcc version you used). Jakub From seandarcy at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 20:45:55 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:45:55 -0500 Subject: XFree86-4.3.0-44 build fails in xc/programs/bitmap Message-ID: Jakub wrote: >On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 12:06:26PM -0500, sean darcy wrote: >>I'm trying to build XFree from development. It fails here: >> >>gcc -m32 -o bitmap -march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse -Os >>-fno-strict-aliasing -pip e -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wundef >> -L../../exports/lib BitEdit.o CutPaste.o Grap hics.o ReqMach.o >>Bitmap.o Dialog.o Handlers.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE >>-lXpm - lXext -lX11 -lm -Wl,-rpath-link,../../exports/lib >>../../exports/lib/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `.L91' >>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >>make[4]: *** [bitmap] Error 1 >>make[4]: Leaving directory >>`/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/programs/bitmap' >> >> >>Is this the correct list for build issues? > >No. If you suspect a bug in the compiler (which this >looks like it), find out which libXaw.so object has undefined .L91 >symbol and file a bugreport in http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ >with the details (gcc command line used to compile that object >with .L91 undefined reference (use e.g. nm -u to find out), preprocessed >source (add -save-temps to gcc options, rerun it and attach the resulting >.i file) and exact gcc version you used). > > Jakub > OK. That'll give something to do after turkey. BTW, it's gcc-3.3.2-2. sean _________________________________________________________________ Say ?goodbye? to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From michalz at olomouc.com Thu Nov 27 22:36:40 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:36:40 +0100 Subject: Xinerama causes no Kde antialias and hanging during logout Message-ID: <3FC67C78.3040808@olomouc.com> Hi, i'm running standard FC1 with geforce4 nvidia driver and matrox mystique with orig driver on kde xinerama. When running with single screen, everything was fine. But if I configure the second screen, Qt has no antialias only bitmap fonts. GTK apps still has AA even with two screens (mozilla-xft,..). I've configured qtconfig to use AA fonts but with no effect. And second problem is hanging X server (frozen with X cursor mouseable and dead keyboard). Situation for oncase reset. Don't you have any idea? thanx, michalz From than at redhat.com Thu Nov 27 22:39:49 2003 From: than at redhat.com (Than Ngo) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:39:49 +0100 Subject: koffice-1.2.94-0.3 needs libwv2.1. Where is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FC67D35.1010702@redhat.com> sean darcy schrieb: > Installing koffice-1.2.94-0.3 I get: > > libwv2.1 is needed by koffice-1.2.94-0.3 > > I can't figure out which package ontains libwv2.1. Please make sure that you have to download the correct koffice-1.2.94-0.2 from ftp.kde.org, which is built for Fedora. It does not need libwv! Than From saphipps at mchsi.com Thu Nov 27 23:13:16 2003 From: saphipps at mchsi.com (Scott A Phipps) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:13:16 -0600 Subject: Xinerama causes no Kde antialias and hanging during logout In-Reply-To: <3FC67C78.3040808@olomouc.com> References: <3FC67C78.3040808@olomouc.com> Message-ID: <1069974796.14454.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 16:36, Michal Zeravik wrote: > Hi, > > i'm running standard FC1 with geforce4 nvidia driver > and matrox mystique with orig driver on kde xinerama. > > When running with single screen, everything was fine. > But if I configure the second screen, Qt has no antialias only bitmap > fonts. > GTK apps still has AA even with two screens (mozilla-xft,..). > I've configured qtconfig to use AA fonts but with no effect. > > And second problem is hanging X server (frozen with X cursor mouseable > and dead keyboard). > Situation for oncase reset. Don't you have any idea? > > thanx, michalz > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list The problem with AA fonts with qt apps is bug # 109351 in bugzilla. It is a problem in libXrender. From seandarcy at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 23:37:18 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:37:18 -0500 Subject: koffice-1.2.94-0.3 needs libwv2.1. Where is it? Message-ID: >sean darcy schrieb: > > Installing koffice-1.2.94-0.3 I get: > > libwv2.1 is needed by koffice-1.2.94-0.3 > > I can't figure out which package ontains libwv2.1. > > >Please make sure that you have to download the correct koffice-1.2.94-0.2 >from ftp.kde.org, which is built for >Fedora. > >It does not need libwv! > >Than > I got it from /redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS. If it didn't have wv2 how would it read/import ms-word files? sean _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Nov 28 05:30:18 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:30:18 +0100 Subject: program startup laggy after dev/rawhide update Message-ID: <200311280630.18285.terraformers@gmx.net> after updating to the latest development/rawhide rpms the startup of different (most) programs feels laggy. anyone have the same behavior? would like to find the offending rpm and downgrade. thanks! lars From david.balazic at hermes.si Fri Nov 28 14:36:44 2003 From: david.balazic at hermes.si (David Balazic) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:36:44 +0100 Subject: IDE write ordering ? Message-ID: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0460@piramida.hermes.si> Hi! I wonder if the problems with IDE write ordering is resolved with lastest kernels. The problem is , that is is hard to insure the wanted order of writes on ATA disks. This is needed for journalled/logged filesystems for example. Regards, David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- David Balazic mailto:david.balazic at hermes.si HERMES Softlab http://www.hermes-softlab.com Zolajeva 30 Phone: +386 2 450 8851 SI-2000 Maribor Slovenija ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- "Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq. & "Ted" Theodore Logan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- From michalz at olomouc.com Fri Nov 28 20:34:43 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:34:43 +0100 Subject: Xinerama causes no Kde antialias and hanging during logout In-Reply-To: <1069974796.14454.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FC67C78.3040808@olomouc.com> <1069974796.14454.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FC7B163.6000506@olomouc.com> Ok, problem with no AA is solved by installing XFree-lib from RH9. But I still have problem with hanging computer during loging out. When kde is shutting down after logout (X server is restarting?), screen goes to black and cursor become to X, mouse active but keyboard is dead and I have do hard reset. Any ideas? thanx michalz michalz Scott A Phipps wrote: >On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 16:36, Michal Zeravik wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>i'm running standard FC1 with geforce4 nvidia driver >>and matrox mystique with orig driver on kde xinerama. >> >>When running with single screen, everything was fine. >>But if I configure the second screen, Qt has no antialias only bitmap >>fonts. >>GTK apps still has AA even with two screens (mozilla-xft,..). >>I've configured qtconfig to use AA fonts but with no effect. >> >>And second problem is hanging X server (frozen with X cursor mouseable >>and dead keyboard). >>Situation for oncase reset. Don't you have any idea? >> >>thanx, michalz >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > >The problem with AA fonts with qt apps is bug # 109351 in bugzilla. It >is a problem in libXrender. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Sat Nov 29 01:58:39 2003 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:58:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: XFree86-4.3.0-44 build fails in xc/programs/bitmap In-Reply-To: <1069957495.4286.368.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> References: <1069957495.4286.368.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Alexander Dalloz wrote: >> I'm trying to build XFree from development. It fails here: >> >> gcc -m32 -o bitmap -march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse -Os >> -fno-strict-aliasing -pip e -ansi -pedantic -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wundef >> -L../../exports/lib BitEdit.o CutPaste.o Grap hics.o ReqMach.o Bitmap.o >> Dialog.o Handlers.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm - >> lXext -lX11 -lm -Wl,-rpath-link,../../exports/lib >> ../../exports/lib/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `.L91' >> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >> make[4]: *** [bitmap] Error 1 >> make[4]: Leaving directory >> `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/XFree86-4.3.0/xc/programs/bitmap' >> >> >> Is this the correct list for build issues? > >If you build test packages I think so. > >> thanks >> >> sean > >Btw. to set "-march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mmmx -mfpmath=sse" as gcc >3.3 compiler options the 3dnow, sse, mmx and -mfemath=sse calls are >redundant as the -march setting to athlon-xp will choose that all. Athlon reorders instructions internally anyway, the net result generally being that it makes no difference what CPU instruction scheduling is chosen, as the chip does it's own thing internally. I'd be kind of surprised if compiling with all those options yields any real world performance gains anyway. Placebo effect perhaps... ;o) -- Mike A. Harris From rk at secondwivescafe.com Sat Nov 29 03:26:29 2003 From: rk at secondwivescafe.com (Ron Kuris) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:26:29 -0800 Subject: XFree86-4.3.0-44 build fails in xc/programs/bitmap In-Reply-To: References: <1069957495.4286.368.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <3FC811E5.3010801@secondwivescafe.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: >Athlon reorders instructions internally anyway, the net result >generally being that it makes no difference what CPU instruction >scheduling is chosen, as the chip does it's own thing internally. > >I'd be kind of surprised if compiling with all those options >yields any real world performance gains anyway. Placebo effect >perhaps... ;o) > > > The gentoo folks would definitely have you believe otherwise. A friend of mine swears that rebuilding everything using the -march=athlon-xp results in a much more responsive X subsystem. I would be very curious to see a Fedora installation completely rebuilt xp-only. Ron From michalz at olomouc.com Fri Nov 28 20:07:02 2003 From: michalz at olomouc.com (Michal Zeravik) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:07:02 +0100 Subject: turning of hardisks, acpi, standby Message-ID: <3FC7AAE6.8000806@olomouc.com> Hi, what is (can do) acpi which comes with FC1 kernel? Can I use that for turning computer into standby? I noticed its possible to turn off ide harddisks, but what about scsi disks? I have Fasttrack onboard raid two disks connected as sda. Is it possible to turn it off (after unmount) if system running on ide disk? Michalz From alan at redhat.com Sat Nov 29 00:46:44 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:46:44 -0500 Subject: IDE write ordering ? In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0460@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0460@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031129004644.GA8174@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > The problem is , that is is hard to insure the wanted order of writes on ATA > disks. > This is needed for journalled/logged filesystems for example. IDE drives don't provide write order controls. End of story. Ext3 doesn't care about this providing the drive isn't caching writes, it just wants to be sure that an I/O completed before it is told it has. You control that with hdparm to alter write caching if you are really paranoid. Alan From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Sat Nov 29 03:24:01 2003 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:24:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: program startup laggy after dev/rawhide update In-Reply-To: <200311280630.18285.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200311280630.18285.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, lars wrote: >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:30:18 +0100 >From: lars >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: program startup laggy after dev/rawhide update > >after updating to the latest development/rawhide rpms >the startup of different (most) programs feels laggy. >anyone have the same behavior? >would like to find the offending rpm and downgrade. Your system is probably not prelinked anymore. Run the prelink cronjob. -- Mike A. Harris From 64bit_fedora at comcast.net Sat Nov 29 06:17:47 2003 From: 64bit_fedora at comcast.net (Justin M. Forbes) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:17:47 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 1 AMD 64 Preview update. In-Reply-To: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0460@piramida.hermes.si> References: <600B91D5E4B8D211A58C00902724252C01BC0460@piramida.hermes.si> Message-ID: <20031129061747.GA5277@comcast.net> Well, here it is... a preview anyway. For those of you on the edge of your seat waiting for an AMD64 version of Fedora Core 1, we present a preview. ISOs will not be provided for this release, but everything is there for an install. It is generally version synced with Fedora Core 1 and the current updates. Please test it out, and send any questions/complaints/bugs to me if you would before bugzilla, as this is not an official release of any caliber yet, just a preview. I will forward what is necessary to bugzilla. /*************************************************************************** * WARNING: This release is a preview, it is not an official Fedora * Core 1 Release, this is not an official Fedora Core Test Release. * This release may very well cause damage to your data, your system, * your pets and loved ones, and most certainly your sleep schedule. * There is no guarantee of any type on performance, stability, or * your sanity. Use at your own risk. ***************************************************************************/ Now that the formality is out of the way, the tree is available at: http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/fc1_x86_64/ Enjoy, and let me know. We will be working diligently in the background to move closer to a stable Fedora Core system for AMD64. KNOWN ISSUES: - SATA: Some SATA controllers, notably Sil, do not work - ACPI is not really functional on NForce 3. Please install and boot with acpi=off - Mozilla: both 32-bit and 64-bit mozilla are installed. This is to meet the dependencies of other installed applications. A system to handle user selection at boot time has not been implemented yet. Current work around is to pull /usr/bin/mozilla from the 32-bit package as /usr/bin/mozilla32 and 64-bit as mozilla64, then just link your preference to /usr/bin/mozilla. The standard plugins do work in Mozilla 32-bit. - No documentation (release notes, etc) has been updated, and fedora-release is still synced with FC1 (IE wrong for preview) - If you are looking to use this kernel on i686, etc. I have not updated the config files for anything but x86_64 yet. The kernel should build and work fine, but the SRPM will probably complain when 'make oldconfig' asks for input. I am sure I am leaving something out, it is late, and I am eternally short on sleep, let me know what else you find. Thanks, Justin M. 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Harris wrote: > > >Athlon reorders instructions internally anyway, the net result > >generally being that it makes no difference what CPU instruction > >scheduling is chosen, as the chip does it's own thing internally. > > > >I'd be kind of surprised if compiling with all those options > >yields any real world performance gains anyway. Placebo effect > >perhaps... ;o) > > > > > > > The gentoo folks would definitely have you believe otherwise. A friend > of mine swears that rebuilding everything using the -march=athlon-xp > results in a much more responsive X subsystem. The funny thing about the "Gentoo folks" is, their perceived performance improvement is not reproducible by all Gentoo folks. After wasting many hours on recompiling stuff with modified compiler options and a largely different set of build dependencies, not everyone finds the system to be "much more responsive". 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Harris wrote: > >> Athlon reorders instructions internally anyway, the net result >> generally being that it makes no difference what CPU instruction >> scheduling is chosen, as the chip does it's own thing internally. >> >> I'd be kind of surprised if compiling with all those options yields >> any real world performance gains anyway. Placebo effect perhaps... ;o) >> >> >> > The gentoo folks would definitely have you believe otherwise. A > friend of mine swears that rebuilding everything using the > -march=athlon-xp results in a much more responsive X subsystem. > > I would be very curious to see a Fedora installation completely > rebuilt xp-only. > > Ron > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >