From greg at elcoronel.com Mon Sep 1 01:13:55 2003 From: greg at elcoronel.com (Greg Sanders) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: GPG Signatures Not Found... In-Reply-To: <20030811145941.A13563@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Trying to run up2date and getting the following error: The package GConf2-2.3.3-2 is not signed with a GPG signature. Aborting... Package GConf2-2.3.3-2 does not have a GPG signature. Aborting... I didn't see anything like this in the archive. Did I miss something? Greg Sanders - Sysadmin, Webhead, Tolkien-phile ElCoronel @ irc.freenode.net - http://elcoronel.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wherein [art thou] good, but to taste sack and drink it? Wherein neat and cleanly, but to carve a capon and eat it? Wherein cunning, but in craft? Wherein crafty but in villainy? Wherein villainous, but in all things? Wherein worthy but in nothing? -William Shakespeare, Henry IV, part I From hoyt at cavtel.net Mon Sep 1 01:15:32 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:15:32 -0400 Subject: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062367748.32474.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062367748.32474.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200308312115.32619.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Sunday 31 August 2003 06:09 pm, Jef Spaleta wrote: > drool over k3b. I've even > heard k3b compared favorable to windows cdburning apps like nero And soon with DVD capabilities. 8) -- Hoyt From netwiz at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 1 01:37:24 2003 From: netwiz at optusnet.com.au (Steven Haigh) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:37:24 +1000 Subject: GPG Signatures Not Found... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F52A2D4.1090707@optusnet.com.au> Yeah - I get this as well... I've always just run up2date --nosig Since the matter has been brought up, is this a known problem? something I've forgotten? part of the beta experiance? Greg Sanders wrote: >Trying to run up2date and getting the following error: > >The package GConf2-2.3.3-2 is not signed with a GPG signature. >Aborting... >Package GConf2-2.3.3-2 does not have a GPG signature. >Aborting... > >I didn't see anything like this in the archive. Did I miss something? > >Greg Sanders - Sysadmin, Webhead, Tolkien-phile >ElCoronel @ irc.freenode.net - http://elcoronel.com/ > > -- Signed, Steven Haigh http://wireless.org.au (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.) You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think. We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart. I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup. From ghenriks at rogers.com Mon Sep 1 05:48:25 2003 From: ghenriks at rogers.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 01:48:25 -0400 Subject: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062366661.5021.21.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062366661.5021.21.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <99n5lvsts7o1toopvrm22emfcro2a60olr@4ax.com> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:51:02 -0500, you wrote: >I think that the answer to my question is that a lot of people like >xcdroast better than I do. ;-) > >I'll give it another try. > >I'll file a bugzilla request though, since I think gcombust is much more >intuitive, especially for less technically inclined users. Against gcombust is the fact that it is a GTK 1.2/Gnome 1 application and the author doesn't appear to have any interest in updating it to GTK2/Gnome2 (see his FAQ Q10). From nosp at xades.com Mon Sep 1 09:08:27 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: 01 Sep 2003 10:08:27 +0100 Subject: GPG Signatures Not Found... In-Reply-To: <3F52A2D4.1090707@optusnet.com.au> References: <3F52A2D4.1090707@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1062407307.4351.51.camel@earth.xades.com> Yes, I'm getting that with every package on the severn updates channel (including the one you mention). It's normal with Rawhide: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg00613.html Martin On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 02:37, Steven Haigh wrote: > Yeah - I get this as well... I've always just run up2date --nosig > > Since the matter has been brought up, is this a known problem? something > I've forgotten? part of the beta experiance? > > Greg Sanders wrote: > > >Trying to run up2date and getting the following error: > > > >The package GConf2-2.3.3-2 is not signed with a GPG signature. > >Aborting... > >Package GConf2-2.3.3-2 does not have a GPG signature. > >Aborting... > > > >I didn't see anything like this in the archive. Did I miss something? > > > >Greg Sanders - Sysadmin, Webhead, Tolkien-phile > >ElCoronel @ irc.freenode.net - http://elcoronel.com/ > > > > From nosp at xades.com Mon Sep 1 09:25:19 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: 01 Sep 2003 10:25:19 +0100 Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? Message-ID: <1062408319.4351.68.camel@earth.xades.com> Didn't see anything like this in the archives, so I was wondering if anyone had gotten this error from up2date (severn, up2date-3.9.19-2): --- up2date_client.up2dateErrors.AbuseError: Error Message: Abuse of Service detected for server XXXXX (nnnnnnnnnn) Error Class Code: 49 Error Class Info: You are getting this error because RHN has detected an abuse of service from this system and account. This error is triggered when your system makes too many connections to Red Hat Network. This error can not be triggered under a normal use of the Red Hat Network service as configured by default on Red Hat Linux. The Red Hat Network services for this system will remain disabled until you will reduce the RHN network traffic from your system to acceptable limits. Please log into RHN and visit https://rhn.redhat.com/help/contact.pxt to contact technical support if you think you have received this message in error. --- I am updating one PC (my only RHN-registered machine) from the severn updates channel and have had up2date crash a few times but don't think I've generated THAT much activity. I AM trying to download a lot of updated packages (updates + src rpms total probably about 500), however. My account doesn't actually seem disabled in any way (system not marked as bad in RHN, can still dl packages, log in to RHN website, etc.). The FAQ warnings (https://rhn.redhat.com/help/faq/policy.pxt) appear not to have come to pass (great). I'll take this up with rhn-users if no one's seen it. Just thought I'd ask here first since the beta community are likely to be the heaviest users (pkgs/system-wise). Anyone seen this? Thanks, Martin From warren at togami.com Mon Sep 1 09:42:31 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:42:31 -1000 Subject: TARPIT in iptables In-Reply-To: <1062099948.18394.60.camel@shuttle.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1062088882.18394.22.camel@shuttle.jumanjihouse.com> <20030828144715.C24924@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1062099948.18394.60.camel@shuttle.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1062409351.2002.26.camel@laptop> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 09:45, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:47, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Paul Morgan (paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com) said: > > > Is there any word on whether (and if so, when) the tarpit target will be > > > incorporated into Red Hat's kernel? > > > > Is it upstream in any kernel? > > It's only a matter of time until it appears in a stock distro. > User-side support is built-in with the "official" iptables-1.2.8 > release, including the Severn/Taroon beta RPMs, > but a patch-and-compile is necessary on the kernel side. > Despite the tiny size and scope of the patch, I am reluctant to > stray from the stock kernels (up2date, client machines, etc.), > and I suspect (and hope) that many others would like to see the > tarpit target folded into the stock RH kernel. > > http://www.netfilter.org/files/changes-iptables-1.2.8.txt Alternatively, perhaps it could be added to the kernel-unsupported package? That would give it a chance for mass distribution while saying UNSUPPORTED in a big way. Should we file a Bugzilla RFE? Warren Togami warren at togami.com From awol at home.nl Mon Sep 1 10:28:02 2003 From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:28:02 +0200 Subject: problems with up2date and rpm Message-ID: <20030901102802.GA2441@home.nl> After downloading and installing the new SSL certificate I attemted to update severn and encountered the following problems: 1) up2date listed the packages and then asked if I wanted to install a new up2date (up2date-3.9.19-2). I said yes and up2date downloaded and installed this up2date and the complementary up2date-gnome. Then up2date came with the message that it would 'restart'. It did not restart! 2) I restarted up2date myself and it downloaded all the necessary hdr's and rpm's (337!). However it did not seem able to install them. Install started but then it 'just sat there' without installing anything! 3) I then tried to install by hand using 'rpm -Fvh' (because the new up2date was already installed and in the the /var/spool/up2date directory. 'rpm -Fvh' complained about 5 missing dependencies (tzdata, ..., etc) and stopped. As all the packages complained about were in the /var/spool/up2date directory I didn't try to solve this. 4) I then tried 'rpm -Uvh'. This worked OK up to xterm-179-4.1 which it didn't install (I knew about this problem and the solution but I had forgotten about it) and yelp-2.3.6-2 which it did install after the following messages: 337:yelp ########################################### [100%] warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome /help/gnumeric/C/analysis-goalseek.xml" /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:441: error: Failure to process entity analysis-goalseek &analysis-goalseek; ^ /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:441: error: Entity 'analysis-goalseek' not defined &analysis-goalseek; ^ warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome /help/gnumeric/C/analysis-scenarios.xml" /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:444: error: Failure to process entity analysis-scenarios &analysis-scenarios; ^ /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:444: error: Entity 'analysis-scenarios' not defined &analysis-scenarios; ^ Document is not well-formed XML: /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gn umeric/C/gnumeric.xml Has anybody else encountered the same problems. If not are they worth bugzillaing. Alexander From nosp at xades.com Mon Sep 1 10:33:08 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: 01 Sep 2003 11:33:08 +0100 Subject: problems with up2date and rpm In-Reply-To: <20030901102802.GA2441@home.nl> References: <20030901102802.GA2441@home.nl> Message-ID: <1062412388.4351.76.camel@earth.xades.com> For problem #2, did up2date print out any information on stderr? I have had up2date "hang" multiple times due to strange dependencies when in fact a python error message was printed to stderr. Here's the type of thing I would get: --- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1620, in onPackagePageNext ret = self.__packagePageDryRun() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1548, in __packagePageDryRun self.__refreshCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", line 482, in dryRun ret = depsolve.solvedep() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/depSolver.py", line 634, in solvedep ret = self.process_deps(deps) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/depSolver.py", line 601, in process_deps changed = self.__dependencies(dependencies) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/depSolver.py", line 464, in __dependencies for ob in obs: TypeError: iteration over non-sequence --- The workaround was to find the package causing the traceback (binary search the package list) and then install it by hand. Typically there were dependency problems similar to ones you saw in your problem #3. I had this problem with control-center. Hope this helps. On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 11:28, Alexander Volovics wrote: > After downloading and installing the new SSL certificate I > attemted to update severn and encountered the following problems: > > 1) up2date listed the packages and then asked if I wanted to install > a new up2date (up2date-3.9.19-2). I said yes and up2date downloaded > and installed this up2date and the complementary up2date-gnome. > Then up2date came with the message that it would 'restart'. > It did not restart! > > 2) I restarted up2date myself and it downloaded all the necessary hdr's > and rpm's (337!). > However it did not seem able to install them. > Install started but then it 'just sat there' without installing > anything! > > 3) I then tried to install by hand using 'rpm -Fvh' (because the new > up2date was already installed and in the the /var/spool/up2date > directory. > 'rpm -Fvh' complained about 5 missing dependencies (tzdata, ..., etc) > and stopped. As all the packages complained about were in the > /var/spool/up2date directory I didn't try to solve this. > > 4) I then tried 'rpm -Uvh'. This worked OK up to xterm-179-4.1 which > it didn't install (I knew about this problem and the solution but I > had forgotten about it) and yelp-2.3.6-2 which it did install after > the following messages: > 337:yelp ########################################### [100%] > warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome > /help/gnumeric/C/analysis-goalseek.xml" > /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:441: error: > Failure to process entity analysis-goalseek > &analysis-goalseek; > ^ > /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:441: error: > Entity 'analysis-goalseek' not defined > &analysis-goalseek; > ^ > warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome > /help/gnumeric/C/analysis-scenarios.xml" > /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:444: error: > Failure to process entity analysis-scenarios > &analysis-scenarios; > ^ > /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml:444: error: > Entity 'analysis-scenarios' not defined > &analysis-scenarios; > ^ > Document is not well-formed XML: /usr/share/gnumeric/1.1.20-bonobo/gnome/help/gn > umeric/C/gnumeric.xml > > > Has anybody else encountered the same problems. If not are they worth > bugzillaing. > > Alexander > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From alexl at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 11:02:01 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 01 Sep 2003 13:02:01 +0200 Subject: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-08-31 at 22:25, Steve Bergman wrote: > I was just wondering why xcdroast gets included as the standard cd > writer and not gcombust. I always end up frustrated with xcdroast and > gcombust is quite friendly. Also, it's obvious how to write an existing > iso image with gcombust and I don't see that xcdroast can even do it. > Plus gcombust fits in nicely with Bluecurve and is at least a GTK app, > whereas xcdroast is, well, whatever it is. I there a licensing issue or > something? > > Then again, eventually, I suppose, nautilus will do it all. Is this a complaint about the nautilus cd burner capabilities or are you just not aware of them? Its not meant to be a highly complex burning application, but to be usable for people who are not aware of the details about cd writing. To burn a iso file: right click on it and pick "Write to CD..." in the menu. Then select CD writer and click on the write button. From the command line you can just run "nautilus-cd-burner ". To create a new CD, select "Go -> CD Creator" in the menu, or enable magicdev and just insert a blank cd. Then drop the files you want into the window and click on the cd writing icon in the toolbar. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned pirate dwarf in a wheelchair. She's a hard-bitten junkie former first lady with the power to see death. They fight crime! From steve at rueb.com Mon Sep 1 13:38:42 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: 01 Sep 2003 08:38:42 -0500 Subject: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 06:02, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > Then again, eventually, I suppose, nautilus will do it all. > > Is this a complaint about the nautilus cd burner capabilities or are you > just not aware of them? Not an intentional complaint, but I confess I short changed Nautilus' capabilities. What I meant was that someday Nautilus would be a full featured CD writer. I just didn't realize that it was already pretty much there. Very nice! I just created a CD from an iso, erased it and turned it into a music CD, erased that created a regular data CD. All very simple and very well integrated with the rest of the desktop. And the user doesn't have to know anything about DAO, TAO, Burn-Free, etc. Anyone who needs more than this is probably going to be comfortable with xcdroast, or have their own personal favorite already, I suppose. I have a couple of end users who will be delighted when I show them this tomorrow. Thanks, Steve From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Sep 1 13:59:44 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:59:44 -0600 Subject: Duplicate or create ISO from CD (Was: Why xcdroast and not gcombust?) In-Reply-To: <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1062424783.31238.6.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 07:38, Steve Bergman wrote: ... > I just created a CD from an iso, erased it and turned it into a music > CD, erased that created a regular data CD. All very simple and very > well integrated with the rest of the desktop. And the user doesn't have > to know anything about DAO, TAO, Burn-Free, etc. > > Anyone who needs more than this is probably going to be comfortable with > xcdroast, or have their own personal favorite already, I suppose. > > I have a couple of end users who will be delighted when I show them this > tomorrow. The only thing I see missing is the ability to duplicate both data and music CDs. XCDRoast will duplicate data CDs. I would love to be able to backup my music CDs to something like an ISO Image. I have children who still get into my music collection and use my CDs for everything from Barbie tables to flying saucers... If someone can help with this, I would appreciate it a lot. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From alexl at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 15:25:09 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 01 Sep 2003 17:25:09 +0200 Subject: Duplicate or create ISO from CD (Was: Why xcdroast and not gcombust?) In-Reply-To: <1062424783.31238.6.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062424783.31238.6.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1062429909.22264.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 15:59, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 07:38, Steve Bergman wrote: > ... > > I just created a CD from an iso, erased it and turned it into a music > > CD, erased that created a regular data CD. All very simple and very > > well integrated with the rest of the desktop. And the user doesn't have > > to know anything about DAO, TAO, Burn-Free, etc. > > > > Anyone who needs more than this is probably going to be comfortable with > > xcdroast, or have their own personal favorite already, I suppose. > > > > I have a couple of end users who will be delighted when I show them this > > tomorrow. > > The only thing I see missing is the ability to duplicate both data and > music CDs. XCDRoast will duplicate data CDs. I would love to be able to > backup my music CDs to something like an ISO Image. I have children who > still get into my music collection and use my CDs for everything from > Barbie tables to flying saucers... > > If someone can help with this, I would appreciate it a lot. Yes, this is one of the few features that was originally in the nautilus-cd-burner feature list. Its really a common operation for people that should be really simple. However, I haven't had time to work on it. If anyone is interested in this I'd appreciate that a lot. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an all-American coffee-fuelled sorceror She's a cosmopolitan impetuous research scientist living on borrowed time. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 15:28:45 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 01 Sep 2003 17:28:45 +0200 Subject: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1062430124.22264.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 15:38, Steve Bergman wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 06:02, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > > > Then again, eventually, I suppose, nautilus will do it all. > > > > Is this a complaint about the nautilus cd burner capabilities or are you > > just not aware of them? > > Not an intentional complaint, but I confess I short changed Nautilus' > capabilities. What I meant was that someday Nautilus would be a full > featured CD writer. I just didn't realize that it was already pretty > much there. > > Very nice! > > I just created a CD from an iso, erased it and turned it into a music > CD, erased that created a regular data CD. All very simple and very > well integrated with the rest of the desktop. And the user doesn't have > to know anything about DAO, TAO, Burn-Free, etc. > > Anyone who needs more than this is probably going to be comfortable with > xcdroast, or have their own personal favorite already, I suppose. > > I have a couple of end users who will be delighted when I show them this > tomorrow. One comment about the current music cd burning abilities. This is very limiting and will in the future be removed in favour of a "burn playlist" button in the media player (rhythmbox for instance). There just isn't any sane way to handle ordering of the songs in the nautilus UI. Plus you want to know things like total play time and have easy preview of the songs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an all-American pirate inventor looking for 'the Big One.' She's a chain-smoking winged detective with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime! From michal at harddata.com Mon Sep 1 15:52:19 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:52:19 -0600 Subject: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from alexl@redhat.com on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 01:02:01PM +0200 References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030901095219.A29365@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 01:02:01PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > To create a new CD, select "Go -> CD Creator" in the menu, or enable > magicdev and just insert a blank cd. Then drop the files you want into > the window and click on the cd writing icon in the toolbar. This operation does not feed cdrecord from stdin via mkisofs, as one could reasonably expect, but builds a temporary iso image in /tmp. If there is a way to change that location it is so well hidden that so far I failed to find it. A corollary is that you better have enough of a disk space in /tmp or you will run into troubles; more so if /tmp is a part of /. Overflowing / is a barrel of fun. It is hard to think of a good reason why these "real" iso images on a disk are really created here. They tend to stick around, for example, in abnormal termination conditions. Maybe the idea was that some of material to put on CD is mounted over a network and a network is slow or unreliable? Local networks in practice tend to be fast enough. Shrug! If /tmp is not that big and you have space on some other file system you can "bind-mount" /tmp from there (early enough in a boot process or some things may "vanish" :-). Such workarounds were likely not intended for drag-and-drop crowd. Michal From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 16:34:21 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GPG Signatures Not Found... In-Reply-To: <1062407307.4351.51.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: On 1 Sep 2003, nosp wrote: > Yes, I'm getting that with every package on the severn updates channel > (including the one you mention). It's normal with Rawhide: > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg00613.html It's _not_ normal with RHN however. You need to import the new rawhide key into your rpm database. Get http://www.redhat.com/security/e418e3aa.txt and run 'rpm --import' on the downloaded file. -- Elliot For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe. From nosp at xades.com Mon Sep 1 18:46:11 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: 01 Sep 2003 19:46:11 +0100 Subject: GPG Signatures Not Found... Message-ID: <1062441971.4477.54.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 17:34, Elliot Lee wrote: > It's _not_ normal with RHN however. An earlier thread had implied the severn-updates channel rpms were rawhide ones; hence my conclusion. Importing the key _did_ actually solve the problem, so that's great. If it becomes an FAQ (unlikely), I should probably file a (very-low priority) RFE for the up2date GUI to distinguish between a lack of GPG signature and the presence of a signature that could not be verified (rpm -K foo.rpm does this well and says "MISSING KEYS"). Thanks for the clarification about what's normal with RHN. Are the severn-updates's rpms indeed different from Rawhide's RPMs? Martin From alexl at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 19:04:21 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 01 Sep 2003 21:04:21 +0200 Subject: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <20030901095219.A29365@mail.harddata.com> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030901095219.A29365@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1062443060.22264.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 17:52, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 01:02:01PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > > To create a new CD, select "Go -> CD Creator" in the menu, or enable > > magicdev and just insert a blank cd. Then drop the files you want into > > the window and click on the cd writing icon in the toolbar. > > This operation does not feed cdrecord from stdin via mkisofs, as one > could reasonably expect, but builds a temporary iso image in /tmp. > If there is a way to change that location it is so well hidden that > so far I failed to find it. A corollary is that you better have > enough of a disk space in /tmp or you will run into troubles; more > so if /tmp is a part of /. Overflowing / is a barrel of fun. > > It is hard to think of a good reason why these "real" iso images > on a disk are really created here. They tend to stick around, for > example, in abnormal termination conditions. Maybe the idea was > that some of material to put on CD is mounted over a network and > a network is slow or unreliable? Local networks in practice tend > to be fast enough. Shrug! > > If /tmp is not that big and you have space on some other file system > you can "bind-mount" /tmp from there (early enough in a boot process > or some things may "vanish" :-). Such workarounds were likely not > intended for drag-and-drop crowd. ATM the only way to override this is setting TMPDIR in the environment. The code was initially written this way to avoid problems on machines with slow machines, or misconfigured systems where the cd writer is on the same IDE channel as the source. I guess this could left non-default and used as a backup on such systems though... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an otherworldly chivalrous dwarf with nothing left to lose. She's a high-kicking mute traffic cop from the wrong side of the tracks. They fight crime! From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 1 19:09:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:09:05 -0400 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. Message-ID: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> How do I capture error dialogs in Nautilus? I've recently updated from rawhide, and when I login, I get error messages to the effect that gnome settings cannot be saved, because ****** .... etc. I have to logout of Gnome via CTRL-ALT-DEL. KDE is working fine, and it's from *this* desktop that I'm sending this message. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once, so let's make life EASIER for each other." LINUX Registered User #193975. AMD-K7 ATHLON CPU power on board. From hp at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 19:32:20 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:32:20 -0400 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. In-Reply-To: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030901153220.D1001@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 03:09:05PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > How do I capture error dialogs in Nautilus? > I've recently updated from rawhide, and when I login, I get error > messages to the effect that gnome settings cannot be saved, > because ****** .... etc. > > I have to logout of Gnome via CTRL-ALT-DEL. > > KDE is working fine, and it's from *this* desktop that I'm sending > this message. > Maybe gconf-sanity-check-2 has more info if you try running it. Run it with DISPLAY= so there's no X connection and it prints to the command line. You could also strace -o /tmp/output -f gconf-sanity-check-2 to see what goes wrong. Havoc From kylem at xwell.org Mon Sep 1 20:52:49 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:52:49 -0500 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? Message-ID: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> Don't know if anyone else is seeing this, but when attaching a file to a message in Evolution (latest version from Raw Hide), the pane at the bottom of the message window is created but there's nothing in it, making it look like the attachment didn't succeed. Actually, it does succeed, but it's mighty confusing to the user. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103525 -- Kyle Maxwell From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 1 21:06:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:06:36 -0400 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. Message-ID: <200309011706.36607.elwoo@videotron.ca> >>On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 03:09:05PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: >> How do I capture error dialogs in Nautilus? >> I've recently updated from rawhide, and when I login, I get error >> messages to the effect that gnome settings cannot be saved, >> because ****** .... etc. >> >> I have to logout of Gnome via CTRL-ALT-DEL. >> >> KDE is working fine, and it's from *this* desktop that I'm sending >> this message. >> >Maybe gconf-sanity-check-2 has more info if you try running it. >Run it with DISPLAY= so there's no X connection and it prints to t>he command line. >You could also strace -o /tmp/output -f gconf-sanity-check-2 to >see what goes wrong. Can you guve me some dummy-leve instructions on how to do this? Essentially, I can now *read* the text in the error dialogs, but since I have neither desktop icons, nor the panel, I can't (read: don't know how to) access a console prompt. TKseti and licq load, because they are in my startup sessions... Other than that, I would have to read each error message and write them down on paper, then login to KDE to post further info on this. N.B. The nVidia drivers are now installed, and I have almost all updates from rawhide installed. At the very least, the important ones like glibc, gnome-panel, and nautilus are installed.... Thanks, Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once, so let's make life EASIER for each other." LINUX Registered User #193975. AMD-K7 ATHLON CPU power on board. From kylem at xwell.org Mon Sep 1 21:09:57 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:09:57 -0500 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? In-Reply-To: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> References: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> Message-ID: <1062450597.14110.14.camel@lando> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 15:52, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > Don't know if anyone else is seeing this, but when attaching a file to a > message in Evolution (latest version from Raw Hide), the pane at the > bottom of the message window is created but there's nothing in it, > making it look like the attachment didn't succeed. Actually, it does > succeed, but it's mighty confusing to the user. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103525 Never mind, found a previous report after all... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102553 -- Kyle Maxwell From hp at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 21:16:58 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:16:58 -0400 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. In-Reply-To: <200309011706.36607.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309011706.36607.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030901171658.E1001@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 05:06:36PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > Can you guve me some dummy-leve instructions on how to > do this? Essentially, I can now *read* the text in the error dialogs, > but since I have neither desktop icons, nor the panel, I can't > (read: don't know how to) access a console prompt. TKseti and > licq load, because they are in my startup sessions... Just do it from the console or from KDE. > Other than that, I would have to read each error message and > write them down on paper They are all the same error I would guess. Havoc From antti at victoria.fi Mon Sep 1 21:21:09 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: 02 Sep 2003 00:21:09 +0300 Subject: apt and severn Message-ID: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> Where can I get the current apt repositories for severn updates? //antti From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Mon Sep 1 21:39:06 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 23:39:06 +0200 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. In-Reply-To: <200309011706.36607.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F53D89A.1207.16D0AD@localhost> Hi Elton, > (read: don't know how to) access a console prompt. Ctrl-Alt-F1 through -F6 for a tty. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Sep 1 22:14:29 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:14:29 +0200 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? In-Reply-To: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> References: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> Message-ID: <1062454469.1635.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 22:52, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > Don't know if anyone else is seeing this, but when attaching a file to a > message in Evolution (latest version from Raw Hide), the pane at the > bottom of the message window is created but there's nothing in it, > making it look like the attachment didn't succeed. Actually, it does > succeed, but it's mighty confusing to the user. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103525 It's fixed in the latest Evolution development snapshots (at least for me) at ftp://ftp.ximian.com. From netwiz at optusnet.com.au Mon Sep 1 22:19:42 2003 From: netwiz at optusnet.com.au (Steven Haigh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:19:42 +1000 Subject: The User Experiance. (was Re: GPG Signatures Not Found...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F53C5FE.6030507@optusnet.com.au> Elliot Lee wrote: >On 1 Sep 2003, nosp wrote: > > > >>Yes, I'm getting that with every package on the severn updates channel >>(including the one you mention). It's normal with Rawhide: >>https://listman.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg00613.html >> >> > >It's _not_ normal with RHN however. > >You need to import the new rawhide key into your rpm database. Get >http://www.redhat.com/security/e418e3aa.txt and run 'rpm --import' on the >downloaded file. > >-- Elliot >For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe. > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > Awesome. Redhat delivers again.... As I stated in an earlier post, it's been quite some time since I've had linux as my main desktop OS... From running Severn for about a month now, there is only a few small issues I have encoutered (listed below) however, on the whole, everything has been pretty straight forward... I can IRC, surf, email, news, IM, mp3 play, rip&encode, burn CD's, access Word/Excel documents mostly without any problems what so ever... Excellent work. :) The problems however are as such - ranked in order of annoyance. 1) On an IMAP email account, Ctrl+Shift+C doesn't mark all threads as read in Mozilla Mail - even though that shortcut is stated in the menu (Messages -> Mark -> All as read) It's easy enough to work around, just darn annoying. 2) Print quality on a Canon S400 using the gimp-print driver looks like it's in draft mode when printing from OpenOffice. I've friggd around with the driver settings, but haven't been able to get acceptable quality... Even the JPG printer test in X's printconf looks like a dotty draft mode. Solution at the moment is to reboot into XP with Office XP to print documents. Annoying, but I don't require this *that* often. 3) Noatun and Kaboodle haven't been able to play squat in MPG files or half of the other filetypes associated with it... Not a great concern because XMMS whoops over noatun/kaboodle :P -- Signed, Steven Haigh http://wireless.org.au (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.) You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think. We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart. I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup. From stevewa at spiritone.com Mon Sep 1 22:34:47 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:34:47 -0700 Subject: More CD-Burning questions (or, more burning CD questions :-) In-Reply-To: <20030901160012.26916.47736.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030901160012.26916.47736.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F53C987.1030000@spiritone.com> This is probably an FAQ... What is the status on the need for ide-scsi to burn CDs? Is it still required? I've had trouble getting my burner working under severn with 2.4 and 2.6. Any pointers appreciated. From gkarabin at pobox.com Mon Sep 1 22:45:37 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:45:37 -0700 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? In-Reply-To: <1062454469.1635.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> <1062454469.1635.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <1062456337.12290.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> I took a look at this, and it seems that on my machine, the icon files that Evolution is looking for aren't present in the places that are being searched by whatever library is used for this sort of thing (perhaps by libgnomeui?). I've updated the bug report for anyone who has a clue what code is doing the lookup - it shouldn't be hard to track this down if you know the GNOME code at all (I don't, yet). Anyway, Felipe, you're report is interesting. I had guessed that this wasn't an Evolution problem, since it doesn't seem to know the locations of the icons that are being looked for. Are you installing any other ximian packages, and are you using a current rawhide? In particular, it would be interesting to know what versions of redhat-artwork and libgnomeui you have installed. - George On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 15:14, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 22:52, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > > Don't know if anyone else is seeing this, but when attaching a file to a > > message in Evolution (latest version from Raw Hide), the pane at the > > bottom of the message window is created but there's nothing in it, > > making it look like the attachment didn't succeed. Actually, it does > > succeed, but it's mighty confusing to the user. > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103525 > > It's fixed in the latest Evolution development snapshots (at least for > me) at ftp://ftp.ximian.com. > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 22:53:25 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:53:25 -0400 Subject: More CD-Burning questions (or, more burning CD questions :-) In-Reply-To: <3F53C987.1030000@spiritone.com>; from stevewa@spiritone.com on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 03:34:47PM -0700 References: <20030901160012.26916.47736.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F53C987.1030000@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20030901185325.A22322@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Steve Ward (stevewa at spiritone.com) said: > This is probably an FAQ... > > What is the status on the need for ide-scsi to burn CDs? Should definitely work with 2.4, don't know about 2.6. It is not *required* with either, although the syntax used for ATAPI currently in cdrecord may not be used by the various frontends, so you might have to tweak them manually to see a drive not using ide-scsi. Bill From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Sep 1 23:00:52 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:00:52 +0200 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? In-Reply-To: <1062456337.12290.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> <1062454469.1635.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <1062456337.12290.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062457252.741.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 00:45, George J Karabin wrote: > Anyway, Felipe, you're report is interesting. I had guessed that this > wasn't an Evolution problem, since it doesn't seem to know the locations > of the icons that are being looked for. Are you installing any other > ximian packages, and are you using a current rawhide? In particular, it > would be interesting to know what versions of redhat-artwork and > libgnomeui you have installed. libgnomeui-2.2.0.1-5.ximian.6.6 redhat-artwork-0.77-1 evolution-1.4.4.0.200308201429-0.snap.ximian.6.1 Hope this helps :-) From gkarabin at pobox.com Mon Sep 1 23:51:29 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:51:29 -0700 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? In-Reply-To: <1062457252.741.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <1062449569.14110.12.camel@lando> <1062454469.1635.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <1062456337.12290.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062457252.741.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <1062460289.12290.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> I looked a little further, and odds are you're right, this is there are a number of changes in this area in the new evolution development snapshot. The code doing the icon hunt is in evolution, and appears to have been reimplemented. Details here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102553 Wish GNOME anoncvs was working at the moment - I can't get much further than this without some source. - George On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 16:00, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 00:45, George J Karabin wrote: > > > Anyway, Felipe, you're report is interesting. I had guessed that this > > wasn't an Evolution problem, since it doesn't seem to know the locations > > of the icons that are being looked for. Are you installing any other > > ximian packages, and are you using a current rawhide? In particular, it > > would be interesting to know what versions of redhat-artwork and > > libgnomeui you have installed. > > libgnomeui-2.2.0.1-5.ximian.6.6 > redhat-artwork-0.77-1 > evolution-1.4.4.0.200308201429-0.snap.ximian.6.1 > > Hope this helps :-) > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 2 00:03:56 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:03:56 -0500 Subject: problems with iso's from bittorrent link Message-ID: <3F53DE6C.7040905@lopht.net> I downloaded the iso's using BitTorrent with the links listed on rhl.redhat.com. When trying to install off the CD's created with the iso's, I'm given an error that 'everything references nptl-devel which is missing' on the 3rd console. After that I tried using the installer's media checking tool, and it seemed to hang at 97%. I guess I should have checked the the md5sums before burning. Anyway, just wanted to check if anyone else was having trouble. I can't image bad imagines would have stayed up this long, so I'm grabbing them a second time, again with BitTorrent, since it's so much faster. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 2 00:10:15 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: 02 Sep 2003 02:10:15 +0200 Subject: rawhide gpg key, rawhide-release package. Message-ID: <1062461413.1078.159.camel@one.myworld> The new key "Red Hat, Inc. automated build signing key (2003) " is only available from http://rhn.redhat.com/ (package redhat-release, channel "severn update"). This key is not available from rawhide nor from http://www.keyserver.net/ . Can you add all RedHat keys in rawhide-release (like in redhat-release-9.0.93-4). If you put the keys in redhat-release and rawhide-release, perhaps you should remove the keys from the rpm package. btw, severn update channel in rhn have the same packages than rawhide except for redhat/rawhide-release package. Perhaps rawhide-release package could be replaced by redhat-release in rawhide. When RH10 will be released with redhat-release-10 package, redhat-release in rawhide could jump to 10.0.93. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From ckloiber at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 00:15:15 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:15:15 -0400 Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? In-Reply-To: <1062408319.4351.68.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1062408319.4351.68.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1062461715.4995.9.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 05:25, nosp wrote: > Didn't see anything like this in the archives, so I was wondering if > anyone had gotten this error from up2date (severn, up2date-3.9.19-2): > > --- > up2date_client.up2dateErrors.AbuseError: > Error Message: > Abuse of Service detected for server XXXXX (nnnnnnnnnn) Typically this is caused by people running up2date from a cron job. The rhnsd daemon will check with the RHN servers by default once every two hours. By itself rhnsd generates plenty of traffic at Red Hat's end (think millions of systems connecting 12 times a day each). If it's running, and you install a cron job running "up2date -ui" every 2 hours on top of that, that's twice as many connections as RHN expects from your machine. It does not trigger quite that soon, but if you have it running many times an hour you will get blocked. In your case, you may have crossed the threshold by running up2date many times by hand within a relatively short period of time. While unusual, it can happen. It will correct itself after a period of time. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From maxer1 at xmission.com Tue Sep 2 00:17:34 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:17:34 -0600 Subject: More CD-Burning questions (or, more burning CD questions :-) In-Reply-To: <20030901185325.A22322@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030901160012.26916.47736.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F53C987.1030000@spiritone.com> <20030901185325.A22322@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F53E19E.8010403@xmission.com> Bill Nottingham wrote: >Steve Ward (stevewa at spiritone.com) said: > > >>This is probably an FAQ... >> >>What is the status on the need for ide-scsi to burn CDs? >> >> > >Should definitely work with 2.4, don't know about 2.6. It is not *required* >with either, although the syntax used for ATAPI currently in cdrecord may >not be used by the various frontends, so you might have to tweak them >manually to see a drive not using ide-scsi. > >Bill > No firewire CDRW will work with 2.6 kernel. Period. Not with Arjan's 2.6 test 3 or test 4. Bahh. :) Raxet From blackhat at teklan.net Tue Sep 2 00:29:14 2003 From: blackhat at teklan.net (blackhat at teklan.net) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:29:14 +0300 Subject: apt and severn In-Reply-To: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> References: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> Message-ID: <1062462553.2422.12.camel@nefertiti.teklan.net> Hi, Any repository that includes rawhide section will do the trick :) A rawhide repository: (remove or comment out the other repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and insert this one) rpm http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/apt redhat/rawhide/en/i386 os On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 00:21, Antti wrote: > Where can I get the current apt repositories for severn updates? > > //antti > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From nosp at xades.com Tue Sep 2 00:29:52 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: 02 Sep 2003 01:29:52 +0100 Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? In-Reply-To: <1062461715.4995.9.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> References: <1062408319.4351.68.camel@earth.xades.com> <1062461715.4995.9.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> Message-ID: <1062462592.4477.413.camel@earth.xades.com> Thanks for the confirmation. Based on the time it takes to download that many packages I have been re-running up2date after its failed probably once every 4-6 hours, so I am not sure what's causing the traffic (rhnsd + rhn-applet-gui?) but I will disable everything else and keep trying to ge the latest & best software from you guys. Thanks for the response. Martin On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 01:15, Chris Kloiber wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 05:25, nosp wrote: > > Didn't see anything like this in the archives, so I was wondering if > > anyone had gotten this error from up2date (severn, up2date-3.9.19-2): > > > > --- > > up2date_client.up2dateErrors.AbuseError: > > Error Message: > > Abuse of Service detected for server XXXXX (nnnnnnnnnn) > > Typically this is caused by people running up2date from a cron job. > The rhnsd daemon will check with the RHN servers by default once every > two hours. By itself rhnsd generates plenty of traffic at Red Hat's end > (think millions of systems connecting 12 times a day each). If it's > running, and you install a cron job running "up2date -ui" every 2 hours > on top of that, that's twice as many connections as RHN expects from > your machine. It does not trigger quite that soon, but if you have it > running many times an hour you will get blocked. > > In your case, you may have crossed the threshold by running up2date many > times by hand within a relatively short period of time. While unusual, > it can happen. It will correct itself after a period of time. From notting at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 00:58:16 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:58:16 -0400 Subject: More CD-Burning questions (or, more burning CD questions :-) In-Reply-To: <3F53E19E.8010403@xmission.com>; from maxer1@xmission.com on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 06:17:34PM -0600 References: <20030901160012.26916.47736.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F53C987.1030000@spiritone.com> <20030901185325.A22322@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F53E19E.8010403@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20030901205816.A19521@devserv.devel.redhat.com> raxet (maxer1 at xmission.com) said: > No firewire CDRW will work with 2.6 kernel. Period. Not with Arjan's 2.6 > test 3 or test 4. Hm, that would be a bug, then. The original question was about ide-scsi, which is orthogonal to firewire. I suppose you can take apart your firewire drive and attach it via USB2 or IDE, though, if you like hacking your hardware. Bill From notting at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 01:00:05 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:00:05 -0400 Subject: rawhide gpg key, rawhide-release package. In-Reply-To: <1062461413.1078.159.camel@one.myworld>; from feliciano.matias@free.fr on Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:10:15AM +0200 References: <1062461413.1078.159.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <20030901210005.B19521@devserv.devel.redhat.com> F?liciano Matias (feliciano.matias at free.fr) said: > This key is not available from rawhide nor from > http://www.keyserver.net/ . It's on other key servers, such as: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xe418e3aa&op=vindex and on http://www.redhat.com/solutions/security/news/publickey.html Bill From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 2 01:04:46 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: 02 Sep 2003 03:04:46 +0200 Subject: problems with iso's from bittorrent link In-Reply-To: <3F53DE6C.7040905@lopht.net> References: <3F53DE6C.7040905@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1062464684.1078.173.camel@one.myworld> Le mar 02/09/2003 ? 02:03, Justin Georgeson a ?crit : > I downloaded the iso's using BitTorrent with the links listed on > rhl.redhat.com. When trying to install off the CD's created with the > iso's, I'm given an error that 'everything references nptl-devel which > is missing' on the 3rd console. After that I tried using the installer's > media checking tool, and it seemed to hang at 97%. I guess I should have > checked the the md5sums before burning. Anyway, just wanted to check if > anyone else was having trouble. I can't image bad imagines would have > stayed up this long, so I'm grabbing them a second time, again with > BitTorrent, since it's so much faster. > > I think the problem is not with bittorrent but when you burn the CD. You can install from hard disk : http://www.europe.redhat.com/documentation/rhl9/rhl-ig-x86-en-9/s1-begininstall-hd.php3 > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Sep 2 01:20:24 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:20:24 -0400 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? Message-ID: <1062465624.3781.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> George J Karabin wrote: >Anyway, Felipe, you're report is interesting. I had guessed that this >wasn't an Evolution problem, since it doesn't seem to know the locations >of the icons that are being looked for. Are you installing any other >ximian packages, and are you using a current rawhide? In particular, it >would be interesting to know what versions of redhat-artwork and >libgnomeui you have installed. I don't have access to my beta install right now...but as a point of comparison with the Felipe's hacked up ximian install. I'm running a hacked up rhl9 box with some selected applications recompiled from srpms from rawhide....including evolution. My recompiled rawhide evolution srpm on rhl9 isn't having a problem with attachments either: libgnomeui-2.2.0.1-5 (from rhl9) redhat-artwork-0.81-1 (from rawhide) evolution-1.4.4-4 (recompiled locally from rawhide srpm) -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marguz at ameritech.net Tue Sep 2 01:29:30 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:29:30 -0500 Subject: Yum + Severn + Rawhide ? Message-ID: <1062466170.18029.5.camel@purple> Hi all, I'm trying to upgrade evolution using yum and I keep getting this message... '...package evolution needs libgal-2.0.so.3 (not provided)' This is my yum.conf... [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 [os] name=Red Hat Linux Rawhide os baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/rawhide/i386/os [freshrpms] name=Red Hat Linux 9 freshrpms baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/9/i386/freshrpms #[rhl-rawhide] #name=Red Hat Linux rawhide @ dulug #baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/ Any ideas? I've been reading the yum and yum.conf man pages and I don't see any input into this problem. Mark From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 2 01:27:16 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:27:16 -0400 Subject: Yum + Severn + Rawhide ? In-Reply-To: <1062466170.18029.5.camel@purple> References: <1062466170.18029.5.camel@purple> Message-ID: <1062466036.28207.21.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 21:29, Mark Guzzo wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to upgrade evolution using yum and I keep getting this > message... > '...package evolution needs libgal-2.0.so.3 (not provided)' > > This is my yum.conf... This means there is an unresolved dependency for evolution. Another translation might be: there is nothing that is providing libgal-2.0.so.3 in any of the enabled repositories. I bet libgal-2.0.so.3 is rawhide. uncomment rhl-rawhide and see if it works. -sv From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 2 02:29:21 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? In-Reply-To: <1062462592.4477.413.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: Is rhnsd running and did it have a bad key for a while? It checks in quite regularly and if it couldnt complete the handshake.. would this cause the problem? On 2 Sep 2003, nosp wrote: >Thanks for the confirmation. Based on the time it takes to download >that many packages I have been re-running up2date after its failed -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 2 02:39:31 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:39:31 -0500 Subject: problems with iso's from bittorrent link In-Reply-To: <1062464684.1078.173.camel@one.myworld> References: <3F53DE6C.7040905@lopht.net> <1062464684.1078.173.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <3F5402E3.8030905@lopht.net> Unfortunately I can't. The target machine has only a 2 GB drive. The three images would take up 75% of it. Fortunately they are cdrw discs, so I can try again. At worst, I can do a net install. F?liciano Matias wrote: > Le mar 02/09/2003 ? 02:03, Justin Georgeson a ?crit : > >>I downloaded the iso's using BitTorrent with the links listed on >>rhl.redhat.com. When trying to install off the CD's created with the >>iso's, I'm given an error that 'everything references nptl-devel which >>is missing' on the 3rd console. After that I tried using the installer's >>media checking tool, and it seemed to hang at 97%. I guess I should have >>checked the the md5sums before burning. Anyway, just wanted to check if >>anyone else was having trouble. I can't image bad imagines would have >>stayed up this long, so I'm grabbing them a second time, again with >>BitTorrent, since it's so much faster. >> >> > > > I think the problem is not with bittorrent but when you burn the CD. > > You can install from hard disk : > http://www.europe.redhat.com/documentation/rhl9/rhl-ig-x86-en-9/s1-begininstall-hd.php3 > > >>-- >>Rhl-beta-list mailing list >>Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From ckloiber at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 04:00:04 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:00:04 -0400 Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062475204.6716.1.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 22:29, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > Is rhnsd running and did it have a bad key for a while? It checks in > quite regularly and if it couldnt complete the handshake.. would this > cause the problem? I couldn't say. I am aware of the limit on connections, but I have no firsthand knowledge of the actual code implementing it. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 2 04:33:20 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:33:20 -0500 Subject: erasing cdrw with nautilus Message-ID: <3F541D90.7090404@lopht.net> Someone mentioned being able to erase a CDRW using Nautilus, but didn't mention how. -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From gkarabin at pobox.com Tue Sep 2 05:35:20 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:35:20 -0700 Subject: Evolution not displaying attachments when sending message? In-Reply-To: <1062465624.3781.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062465624.3781.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062480920.26768.208.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yeah - the relevant code wouldn't break on RH9 (it's fine on my work RH9 machine as well) since the icons are still in the place that evolution is expecting. I've extracted at least some of the relevant patches from evolution CVS, and they apply cleanly. They're an improvement, but I think I didn't get the patch quite right, and the code that would probably fix the issue is getting compiled out. If anyone wants to take a look at the patch in bugzilla (#102553) and follow up on this, that'd be cool - I'm out of time for this week... - George On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 18:20, Jef Spaleta wrote: > George J Karabin wrote: > >Anyway, Felipe, you're report is interesting. I had guessed that this > >wasn't an Evolution problem, since it doesn't seem to know the locations > >of the icons that are being looked for. Are you installing any other > >ximian packages, and are you using a current rawhide? In particular, it > >would be interesting to know what versions of redhat-artwork and > >libgnomeui you have installed. > > I don't have access to my beta install right now...but as a point of > comparison with the Felipe's hacked up ximian install. I'm running a > hacked up rhl9 box with some selected applications recompiled from srpms > from rawhide....including evolution. My recompiled rawhide evolution > srpm on rhl9 isn't having a problem with attachments either: > > libgnomeui-2.2.0.1-5 (from rhl9) > redhat-artwork-0.81-1 (from rawhide) > evolution-1.4.4-4 (recompiled locally from rawhide srpm) > > -jef From alexl at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 08:17:55 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 02 Sep 2003 10:17:55 +0200 Subject: erasing cdrw with nautilus In-Reply-To: <3F541D90.7090404@lopht.net> References: <3F541D90.7090404@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1062490675.2993.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 06:33, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Someone mentioned being able to erase a CDRW using Nautilus, but didn't > mention how. You can't really just blank them, but you can select "blank before writing" when burning a cd. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a globe-trotting day-dreaming astronaut with no name. She's a sarcastic antique-collecting archaeologist with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime! From pavelr at coresma.com Tue Sep 2 09:07:11 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:07:11 +0300 Subject: xcdroast with 2.6 kernel Message-ID: <3F545DBF.50006@coresma.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm using xcdroast and 2.6.0 test3 and test4 kernels. In this setup xcdroast always says that CD has an audio track, even when I want to copy a data CD. This does not happen with 2.4 kernels. What cause this problem? Gnometoaster detects the track type correctly with 2.6 kernels. Pavel. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/VF3CHJityMnHjjERAjCUAJ4rFw2ngp1Aeg0ZUfAJ0z40DjR4yACg1MKv ag5r0mTh0ZVP0FXFauBe3Uw= =qS8p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thiago at jampanight.com.br Tue Sep 2 11:41:17 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:41:17 -0300 Subject: Sound problem on Severn Message-ID: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi. I have Severn with all the recent rawhide channel updates, but got a problem with Sound and KDE's Arts. Here is what happens. Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. Does anyone has a way to fix this? Regards, Thiago From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Sep 2 12:03:43 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sep 2, 2003 at 08:41, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes in a maddening rage wrote: >Hi. > >I have Severn with all the recent rawhide channel updates, but got a >problem with Sound and KDE's Arts. > >Here is what happens. > >Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the >soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, >and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses >sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If >I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. > >Does anyone has a way to fix this? You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the device after a certain amount of time. Something like 30 seconds should do it. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. -- Will Rogers 08:01:40 up 8 days, 19:36, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From netwiz at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 2 12:15:35 2003 From: netwiz at optusnet.com.au (Steven Haigh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:15:35 +1000 Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: References: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F5489E7.2020105@optusnet.com.au> ne... wrote: >On Sep 2, 2003 at 08:41, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes in a maddening rage wrote: > > > >>Hi. >> >>I have Severn with all the recent rawhide channel updates, but got a >>problem with Sound and KDE's Arts. >> >>Here is what happens. >> >>Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the >>soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, >>and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses >>sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If >>I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. >> >>Does anyone has a way to fix this? >> >> >You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the >device after a certain amount of time. Something like >30 seconds should do it. > > > Or configure XMMS to use artsd... -- Signed, Steven Haigh http://wireless.org.au (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.) You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think. We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart. I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup. From thiago at jampanight.com.br Tue Sep 2 12:36:05 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:36:05 -0300 Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: References: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062506164.6152.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Ter, 2003-09-02 ?s 09:03, ne... escreveu: > >Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the > >soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, > >and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses > >sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If > >I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. > You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the > device after a certain amount of time. Something like > 30 seconds should do it. I tried doing it and did not work. Shouldn't it be set by default? Regards, Thiago From thiago at jampanight.com.br Tue Sep 2 12:36:51 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:36:51 -0300 Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: <3F5489E7.2020105@optusnet.com.au> References: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F5489E7.2020105@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1062506210.6153.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Ter, 2003-09-02 ?s 09:15, Steven Haigh escreveu: > >>Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the > >>soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, > >>and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses > >>sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If > >>I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. > >> > >>Does anyone has a way to fix this? > >> > >> > >You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the > >device after a certain amount of time. Something like > >30 seconds should do it. > > > > > > > Or configure XMMS to use artsd... It doesn't work. Crashes.. But I need to run VMware and it can't open /dev/dsp too. From netwiz at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 2 12:42:32 2003 From: netwiz at optusnet.com.au (Steven Haigh) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:42:32 +1000 Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: <1062506210.6153.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F5489E7.2020105@optusnet.com.au> <1062506210.6153.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F549038.2030207@optusnet.com.au> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: >Em Ter, 2003-09-02 ?s 09:15, Steven Haigh escreveu: > > >>>>Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the >>>>soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, >>>>and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses >>>>sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If >>>>I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. >>>> >>>>Does anyone has a way to fix this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the >>>device after a certain amount of time. Something like >>>30 seconds should do it. >>> >>> >>> >>Or configure XMMS to use artsd... >> >> > >It doesn't work. Crashes.. >But I need to run VMware and it can't open /dev/dsp too. > > > that being the case, you'll have to 'killall artsd' before you run VMWare... I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but iirc VMware only uses direct access to /dev/dsp and can't/won't share with a sound daemon... -- Signed, Steven Haigh http://wireless.org.au (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.) You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think. We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart. I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup. From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Sep 2 12:58:58 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: online article: "how to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel" Message-ID: for those who have been following the 2.6 kernel thread(s) for the last little while, there's a reference from linuxtoday.com to an online article: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 it's not strictly beta-related, but that's where most of the discussion has been, so i thought i'd mention it here. rday From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 2 13:29:01 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:29:01 -0500 Subject: erasing cdrw with nautilus In-Reply-To: <1062490675.2993.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F541D90.7090404@lopht.net> <1062490675.2993.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F549B1D.8050606@lopht.net> Is that new in severn? I'm still trying to get good cd's from the iso's I downloaded, burning them on shrike. I tried running nautilus-cd-burner and it didn't work. Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 06:33, Justin Georgeson wrote: > >>Someone mentioned being able to erase a CDRW using Nautilus, but didn't >>mention how. > > > You can't really just blank them, but you can select "blank before > writing" when burning a cd. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's a globe-trotting day-dreaming astronaut with no name. She's a sarcastic > antique-collecting archaeologist with her own daytime radio talk show. They > fight crime! > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From gboyce at badbelly.com Tue Sep 2 13:58:30 2003 From: gboyce at badbelly.com (gboyce at badbelly.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: <3F549038.2030207@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Steven Haigh wrote: > Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > >Em Ter, 2003-09-02 ??s 09:15, Steven Haigh escreveu: > > > > > >>>>Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the > >>>>soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, > >>>>and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses > >>>>sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If > >>>>I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. > >>>> > >>>>Does anyone has a way to fix this? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the > >>>device after a certain amount of time. Something like > >>>30 seconds should do it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Or configure XMMS to use artsd... > >> > >> > > > >It doesn't work. Crashes.. > >But I need to run VMware and it can't open /dev/dsp too. > > > > > > > that being the case, you'll have to 'killall artsd' before you run > VMWare... I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but iirc VMware only > uses direct access to /dev/dsp and can't/won't share with a sound daemon... ESD provides a wrapper for launching applications that directly use /dev/dsp. I'm not too familiar with artsd, but perhaps it provides something similiar? Looking at the arts package itself, artswrapper looks kind of promising, although the machine I'm on right now is 7.3, so things might have changed since then. Gregory Boyce From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Sep 2 15:36:06 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: <1062506164.6152.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062502877.5622.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062506164.6152.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sep 2, 2003 at 09:36, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes in a maddening rage wrote: >Em Ter, 2003-09-02 ?s 09:03, ne... escreveu: >> >Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the >> >soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, >> >and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses >> >sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If >> >I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. > >> You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the >> device after a certain amount of time. Something like >> 30 seconds should do it. > >I tried doing it and did not work. Shouldn't it be set by default? Did you quit KDE then go back in so that artsd is restarted? Artsd generally releases devices after a long while. Also check the permissions on /dev/dsp as well. Unfortunately I am not sitting at by Linux boxen at the moment. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Would the last person to leave Michigan please turn out the lights? 11:33:33 up 8 days, 23:08, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From netwiz at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 2 15:04:17 2003 From: netwiz at optusnet.com.au (Steven Haigh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:04:17 +1000 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? Message-ID: <3F54B171.1000104@optusnet.com.au> I'm just compiling up Mplayer available from http://www.mplayerhq.hu - according to the documentation, it should be a killer for playback of all media types in *nix... What are the chances of this replacing kaboodle or noatun as a default media player? Surely having out of the box support for most media file types in existance would be awesome! -- Signed, Steven Haigh http://wireless.org.au (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.) You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think. We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart. I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup. From netwiz at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 2 15:02:06 2003 From: netwiz at optusnet.com.au (Steven Haigh) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:02:06 +1000 Subject: Sound problem on Severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F54B0EE.9000300@optusnet.com.au> gboyce at badbelly.com wrote: >On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Steven Haigh wrote: > > > >>Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: >> >> >> >>>Em Ter, 2003-09-02 ? s 09:15, Steven Haigh escreveu: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>Before I get inside KDE, the sound works fine, and I can test the >>>>>>soundcard using eox to play songs, or cat /etc/dsp. After I log in KDE, >>>>>>and the Arts server runs, I can't use any other application that uses >>>>>>sound. If I give a cat /dev/dsp it gives a "Resource Busy" response. If >>>>>>I try to run xmms or any other sound player, the same problem. >>>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone has a way to fix this? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>You need to use the KDE Kontrol Centre to release the >>>>>device after a certain amount of time. Something like >>>>>30 seconds should do it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Or configure XMMS to use artsd... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>It doesn't work. Crashes.. >>>But I need to run VMware and it can't open /dev/dsp too. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>that being the case, you'll have to 'killall artsd' before you run >>VMWare... I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but iirc VMware only >>uses direct access to /dev/dsp and can't/won't share with a sound daemon... >> >> > >ESD provides a wrapper for launching applications that directly use >/dev/dsp. I'm not too familiar with artsd, but perhaps it provides >something similiar? > >Looking at the arts package itself, artswrapper looks kind of promising, >although the machine I'm on right now is 7.3, so things might have changed >since then. > >Gregory Boyce > > > I actually tried this with an application I was trying to get going - gnomemeeting iirc.... There is an artswrapper binary, but I couldn't seem to get it working... YMMV as I didn't spend a great deal of time on it... -- Signed, Steven Haigh http://wireless.org.au (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.) You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think. We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart. I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup. From jbinpg at shaw.ca Tue Sep 2 15:59:45 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:59:45 -0700 Subject: online article: "how to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0HKL00FGNGFM7E@l-daemon> ** Reply to message from "Robert P. J. Day" on Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:58:58 -0400 (EDT) > http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 > for those who have been following the 2.6 kernel thread(s) > for the last little while, there's a reference from linuxtoday.com > to an online article: > > http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 > > it's not strictly beta-related, but that's where most of the > discussion has been, so i thought i'd mention it here. One suggestion I would offer is to *not* do a make oldconfig using a 2.4 series .config file when doing your first 2.6 compile. So many things have changed in the overall structure that things may get missed. oldconfig is fine once you have a working 2.6 .config, though. jb From senux at senux.com Tue Sep 2 16:10:00 2003 From: senux at senux.com (Brian Lee) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:10:00 +0900 Subject: korean chracters on Severn Message-ID: <20030902161000.GA3378@mercury.senux.com> Hi! I installed Severn (beta 2) and found follow several bugs: - The Korean chracters are broken in some application like ami, gimp. (screen: http://www.senux.com/tmp/severn/ami_broken_korean.png http://www.senux.com/tmp/severn/gimp_broken_korean.png) - The default font in hanterm is not pretty. And some dirty dots are left at scrolling in hanterm. I think this is a critical one for hanterm users. - Mouse is not working well in configuration box in the first starup of installing RH. My mouse is 2 button one with wheel. Mouse does not move where I moved. But mouse working well after the startup configuration section. - I think the hanterm icon should be place in ``system tool'' from start button. (It is in additional system tool now.) Thank you for the opened software, RH Linux. -- ____ |o | i / Brian Lee #######|< Website http://www.senux.com/en/ (x-x-x-x) \ My public GnuPG key: 0x46C763A3 From laur.ivan at corvil.com Tue Sep 2 16:05:24 2003 From: laur.ivan at corvil.com (Laur Ivan) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:05:24 +0100 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F54B171.1000104@optusnet.com.au> References: <3F54B171.1000104@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200309021705.27963.laur.ivan@corvil.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yop, it would be nice... ...but AFAIremember, providing a fully featured player in the distribution would fall under the same (legal) issues as xmms.. Plus, when you compile MPlayer, you get arch. optimisations (different code used for AMD and P4 for example), which I'm not sure is feasible/doable. Also, there's a kde wrapper (KMPlayer) somewhere in the packages.. On Tuesday 02 September 2003 16:04, Steven Haigh wrote: > I'm just compiling up Mplayer available from http://www.mplayerhq.hu - > according to the documentation, it should be a killer for playback of > all media types in *nix... > > What are the chances of this replacing kaboodle or noatun as a default > media player? Surely having out of the box support for most media file > types in existance would be awesome! - -- Laur Ivan Tel : +353-1-6674336 Software Design Engineer eMail: laur.ivan at corvil.com Corvil Ltd. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/VL/HrIaFaLsloSMRAqrOAJ90rqwUkRT4dzbSW24kB8qTqg1fCQCfV0Vu nj2Y7EpcEar9v2iD65m554g= =g4vj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chrisw01 at privatei.com Tue Sep 2 16:08:05 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:08:05 -0600 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <200309021705.27963.laur.ivan@corvil.com> References: <3F54B171.1000104@optusnet.com.au> <200309021705.27963.laur.ivan@corvil.com> Message-ID: <1062518885.16298.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> You can also get MPlayer from fedora and freshrpms with all of the plug-ins and skins ready to go. Just need to grab it if you have already configured apt or yum for their repositories. Cheers, Chris On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 10:05, Laur Ivan wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yop, it would be nice... > > ...but AFAIremember, providing a fully featured player in the distribution > would fall under the same (legal) issues as xmms.. Plus, when you compile > MPlayer, you get arch. optimisations (different code used for AMD and P4 for > example), which I'm not sure is feasible/doable. > > Also, there's a kde wrapper (KMPlayer) somewhere in the packages.. > > On Tuesday 02 September 2003 16:04, Steven Haigh wrote: > > I'm just compiling up Mplayer available from http://www.mplayerhq.hu - > > according to the documentation, it should be a killer for playback of > > all media types in *nix... > > > > What are the chances of this replacing kaboodle or noatun as a default > > media player? Surely having out of the box support for most media file > > types in existance would be awesome! > > - -- > Laur Ivan Tel : +353-1-6674336 > Software Design Engineer eMail: laur.ivan at corvil.com > Corvil Ltd. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/VL/HrIaFaLsloSMRAqrOAJ90rqwUkRT4dzbSW24kB8qTqg1fCQCfV0Vu > nj2Y7EpcEar9v2iD65m554g= > =g4vj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 16:09:22 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: korean chracters on Severn In-Reply-To: <20030902161000.GA3378@mercury.senux.com> from "Brian Lee" at Med 03, 2003 01:10:00 Message-ID: <200309021609.h82G9M331065@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > - The Korean chracters are broken in some application like ami, gimp. > (screen: http://www.senux.com/tmp/severn/ami_broken_korean.png > http://www.senux.com/tmp/severn/gimp_broken_korean.png) Gimp is still using gtk1.x as is ami, and I suspect that is the problem. > - The default font in hanterm is not pretty. And some dirty dots > are left at scrolling in hanterm. I think this is a critical one for > hanterm users. > - Mouse is not working well in configuration box in the first starup > of installing RH. My mouse is 2 button one with wheel. Mouse does > not move where I moved. But mouse working well after the startup > configuration section. > - I think the hanterm icon should be place in ``system tool'' from > start button. (It is in additional system tool now.) Can you file these in bugzilla Thanks Alan From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Sep 2 16:11:50 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: online article: "how to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel" In-Reply-To: <0HKL00FGNGFM7E@l-daemon> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: > One suggestion I would offer is to *not* do a make oldconfig using a 2.4 > series .config file when doing your first 2.6 compile. So many things > have changed in the overall structure that things may get missed. > oldconfig is fine once you have a working 2.6 .config, though. i also wouldn't bother with the System.map file. never needed it so far, why start now? i'm sure there are other observations i can make after i read that article more thoroughly. mostly, i'd love to get ALSA sound working. rday From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 2 16:28:11 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: 02 Sep 2003 18:28:11 +0200 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <200309021705.27963.laur.ivan@corvil.com> References: <3F54B171.1000104@optusnet.com.au> <200309021705.27963.laur.ivan@corvil.com> Message-ID: <1062520090.1078.300.camel@one.myworld> Le mar 02/09/2003 ? 18:05, Laur Ivan a ?crit : > Plus, when you compile > MPlayer, you get arch. optimisations (different code used for AMD and P4 for > example) This is not more true. Use : ./configure --enable-runtime-cpudetection -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From vaughan at cox.net Tue Sep 2 16:37:47 2003 From: vaughan at cox.net (Tom Vaughan) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:37:47 -0400 Subject: SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE error In-Reply-To: <20030902024101.30665.51528.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002b01c37170$8ac49240$0400a8c0@gollum> Hello, I downloaded the text below and placed it into a file called key. Then I ran rpm --import key. I then tried to install the new up2date file for Severn, up2date-3.1.46-2-i386.rpm, and I got SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE error. What do I need to do to get up2date working? pub 1024D/E418E3AA 2003-08-20 Red Hat, Inc. automated build signing key (2003) sig 3 E418E3AA 2003-08-20 Red Hat, Inc. automated build signing key (2003) sig 3 DB42A60E 2003-08-20 Red Hat, Inc -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBD9DmVMRBACW9LRPUtKnUTNeSQN5huiPA0+d0hGLTEG1kkUj47zWC3RXZ1Xh c/6yzWOrPk85Q7ys/dGoLLqsfekkxDVipUE0iS+47VMYgm531x4cd2oKnQb3Z/2R 3A6kjDkc2KyTmfOsZ8DTdL76u81Rnv6MCQjXTJCFOQzv3yxmn6ZDhOoSkwCg24J2 Qh0zuvvtyfNMsj+S8ksase8D/1qQgcURZDYZkaxrQSsdyZWsqb4NT51snXG5wE4L Yh1VGH26YU/kY7YxU5TPo8kbQTztkqaoFHk/O6zx+Q/iS8Izv2ByTsZv0F/Weym7 Fyf+x+PTA7oDvV9hN/aJy/UPF+t4GRrsEV2mH8Ee3hIZGKSWwTwZZh+JyfIcqkyU zwY9BACLOZ8xZjHzU4MjZw2qgWemr96Zyr2foGl0+2G1STnluWf24//nNWBiLFuA txucItsppnUM0qB5RZ69N4c9MOmCZkBoahP3Q30qAsaAN4RaaE6AG7Yms0wtPW3m qzzhcuCtRAumXqA/oQWYqmHaEwUPenJaxut5rasApm2r5QxaQbRFUmVkIEhhdCwg SW5jLiBhdXRvbWF0ZWQgYnVpbGQgc2lnbmluZyBrZXkgKDIwMDMpIDxyYXdoaWRl QHJlZGhhdC5jb20+iFsEExECABsFAj9DmVMGCwkIBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4AA CgkQlM1XQuQY46oixwCfUKmLRHSIBd1FbGTaR5ARBfSsK+MAn1BfxKyahkQ0ScN7 9RNaYei9kxGIiEYEExECAAYFAj9DvtMACgkQIZGAzdtCpg5exACeJlj9DExab5AK C0eQHr8td+WRJ0QAnRNDGXQCBENRgFNgcecDMAr7P6se =LmwA -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >You need to import the new rawhide key into your rpm database. Get >http://www.redhat.com/security/e418e3aa.txt and run 'rpm --import' on the >downloaded file. From benhsu at dslextreme.com Tue Sep 2 16:44:04 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: 02 Sep 2003 09:44:04 -0700 Subject: online article: "how to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel" In-Reply-To: <0HKL00FGNGFM7E@l-daemon> References: <0HKL00FGNGFM7E@l-daemon> Message-ID: <1062521043.3028.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 08:59, Jack Bowling wrote: > One suggestion I would offer is to *not* do a make oldconfig using a 2.4 series .config file when doing your first 2.6 compile. So many things have changed in the overall structure that things may get missed. oldconfig is fine once you have a working 2.6 .config, though. > There are several options you had to start turning on in 2.6 related to console output. From Dave Jones' document: - Blank screen after decompressing kernel? Make sure your .config has CONFIG_INPUT=y, CONFIG_VT=y, CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y A lot of people have discovered that taking their .config from 2.4 and running make oldconfig to pick up new options leads to problems, notably with CONFIG_VT not being set. What I would do is download the kernel, initrd, and module rpms from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel install them, and use the .config found in the kernel-source rpm From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Sep 2 17:46:59 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 02 Sep 2003 13:46:59 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? Message-ID: <1062524819.9790.34.camel@spatula> Steven Haigh wrote: > Surely having out of the box support for most media file types in > existance would be awesome! And I'd imagine support for "most" media file types out of the box...when their isn't even going to a box set anymore(putting aside that minor technical impossibility for the moment)...is going to be a lovely little minefield of legal problems... At best..what you can hope for is an mplayer carcass stripped of the legally grey bits that make it at all interesting, if the distro consumes it. I really doubt your going to see support for things like quicktime and windows media 'out of the box'..you will still have to go out and get those plugins. But if you are serious about this......feature requests go to bugzilla. For example: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=69886 As it stands the mplayer issue has been in deferred state for a year. Maybe you want to take more of this discussion as to why its deferred still to bugzilla...maybe even as follow up comments to bugtix 69886. -jef"scans the horizon for ogg theora, and looks into his crystal ball for ogg tarkin"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 18:03:35 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1062524819.9790.34.camel@spatula> from "Jef Spaleta" at Med 02, 2003 01:46:59 Message-ID: <200309021803.h82I3ZZ22665@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > box...when their isn't even going to a box set anymore(putting aside > that minor technical impossibility for the moment)...is going to be a > lovely little minefield of legal problems... Right. Lots of media formats are subject to patents that make it impossible to ship them in the USA. > -jef"scans the horizon for ogg theora, and looks into his crystal ball > for ogg tarkin"spaleta Ogg has solved the audio problem. There is great potential for it to solve the video problem in time. From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Sep 2 18:12:17 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1062524819.9790.34.camel@spatula> Message-ID: On 2 Sep 2003, Jef Spaleta wrote: > Steven Haigh wrote: > > > Surely having out of the box support for most media file types in > > existance would be awesome! > > And I'd imagine support for "most" media file types out of the > box...when their isn't even going to a box set anymore(putting aside > that minor technical impossibility for the moment)...is going to be a > lovely little minefield of legal problems... > At best..what you can hope for is an mplayer carcass stripped of the > legally grey bits that make it at all interesting, if the distro > consumes it. I really doubt your going to see support for things like > quicktime and windows media 'out of the box'..you will still have to go > out and get those plugins. > > But if you are serious about this......feature requests go to bugzilla. > For example: > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=69886 this brings up something i've been thinking about for a while -- what are the practical/technical/legal issues in bundling what most people would *expect* to see on a desktop system? that is, numerous windows users commonly complain about things like missing MP3 players and the like. so, a preliminary list of "desktop" utilities to try to match what is available under windows: 1) MP3 player 2) MPEG player 3) DVD player 4) common plug-ins for mozilla (flash, ...) and so on. is there any documentation focused on this sort of thing? rday From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Sep 2 18:29:42 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 02 Sep 2003 14:29:42 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? Message-ID: <1062527382.9790.59.camel@spatula> Alan Cox wrote: > Ogg has solved the audio problem. There is great potential for it to > solve the video problem in time. But in time for what? That seems to be the real question. A lot of people seem to take a very naive position on how to get from here to a viable linux desktop. If only we can reimplement existing technologies, is what I hear when I see people clamoring for mplayer to be in the distro. A lot of people seem to think reimplementing the ability to access these proprietary technologies is the shortcut to desktop domination. As soon as we get one layer of technology reversed engineered they'll just patent another layer of technology, and possibly a strongly layer of legal protections to keep us out. Without an alternative in place...its a a big treadmill of wasted development effort tryng to keep up. I was trying to be subtle with my nod to xiph. No point in repeating my rant on this issue from the last beta phase, but it's so hard to resist. I firmly believe its critically important that we...we as in userbase, and not just the developers...make it a point to encourage the adoption of open standards even in multimedia codecs. Having quicktime and windows media playing on our linux desktop in the short term might seem like a victory and a step towards mainstream linux desktops in the home. But I see it as long term defeat towards a viable open source desktop alternative. Open source solutions can not base core functionality on proprietary technology. Hell even MS and Apple don't rely on technology they can not control, they each have their own competing content formats. It would make little sense for MS to rely on quicktime for its multimedia...just as it would make little since for any open source product to rely on windows media technology to provide the multimedia functionality...technology essentially out of control of the open source development community. The real solution is putting effort behind what xiph is doing with its ogg framework. So that we can give the content producers a viable open alternative to produce content in. I'd much rather see the effort being burned now to get access to the 'most common' proprietary formats, being used to move the ogg theora effort out of alpha and into beta. I wish typical linux desktop users, understood this need a little better than they seem to. -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From steve at rueb.com Tue Sep 2 18:37:20 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:37:20 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062527840.4984.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > this brings up something i've been thinking about for a while -- > what are the practical/technical/legal issues in bundling what most > people would *expect* to see on a desktop system? > There seems to be a lot of focus on third party repositories regarding future releases. Any possibility of adding support to anaconda for installing these apps from a third party repository? Perhaps a question during the install: Would you like additional multimedia applications installed? With an explanation that RedHat does not operate and has no control over these third party sources. It is your responsibility to make sure to use them in accordance with your local laws and statues, blah, blah, blah... ? Mandrake used to do this with regards to encryption software. -Steve From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Sep 2 18:42:38 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:42:38 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309021442.38614.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2003 02:12 pm, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > so, a preliminary list of "desktop" utilities to try to match what > is available under windows: > > 1) MP3 player > 2) MPEG player > 3) DVD player > 4) common plug-ins for mozilla (flash, ...) > > and so on. is there any documentation focused on this sort of > thing? > Red Hat Linux 10 Unleashed, Chapter 26, Multimedia Applications -- Hoyt From antti at victoria.fi Tue Sep 2 19:00:51 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: 02 Sep 2003 22:00:51 +0300 Subject: apt and severn In-Reply-To: <1062462553.2422.12.camel@nefertiti.teklan.net> References: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> <1062462553.2422.12.camel@nefertiti.teklan.net> Message-ID: <1062529251.1248.4.camel@onyx> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 03:29, blackhat at teklan.net wrote: > Hi, > > Any repository that includes rawhide section will do the trick :) > > > A rawhide repository: > (remove or comment out the other repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list > and insert this one) > > rpm http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/apt redhat/rawhide/en/i386 os Hmm, it suggests like 100 rpms. This can't be the correct way. Can somebody tell me how this apt thing works? I mean are these the packages that up2date users get when they upgrade severn? -- Antti From kylem at xwell.org Tue Sep 2 19:13:53 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:13:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: apt and severn In-Reply-To: <1062529251.1248.4.camel@onyx> References: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> <1062462553.2422.12.camel@nefertiti.teklan.net> <1062529251.1248.4.camel@onyx> Message-ID: <32716.192.76.80.75.1062530033.spork@webmail.xwell.org> > Hmm, it suggests like 100 rpms. This can't be the correct way. Can > somebody tell me how this apt thing works? I mean are these the packages > that up2date users get when they upgrade severn? Actually, 100 sounds kind of low: when I upgraded from Severn to Raw Hide, I got closer to 300 RPMs that needed to be updated, and quite a few have been updated since then (several of those are the same packages, just updated again, but others are new). I can't say for sure that in fact you're getting the same ones, but that doesn't sound out of whack at all. -- Kyle Maxwell From bill at noreboots.com Tue Sep 2 19:22:12 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 02 Sep 2003 13:22:12 -0600 Subject: online article: "how to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel" In-Reply-To: <1062521043.3028.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <0HKL00FGNGFM7E@l-daemon> <1062521043.3028.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062530532.4352.24.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 10:44, Ben Hsu wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 08:59, Jack Bowling wrote: > > > One suggestion I would offer is to *not* do a make oldconfig using a 2.4 series .config file when doing your first 2.6 compile. So many things have changed in the overall structure that things may get missed. oldconfig is fine once you have a working 2.6 .config, though. > > > There are several options you had to start turning on in 2.6 related to > console output. From Dave Jones' document: > > - Blank screen after decompressing kernel? > Make sure your .config has > CONFIG_INPUT=y, CONFIG_VT=y, CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y > A lot of people have discovered that taking their .config from 2.4 and > running make oldconfig to pick up new options leads to problems, notably > with CONFIG_VT not being set. > > What I would do is download the kernel, initrd, and module rpms from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel > install them, and use the .config found in the kernel-source rpm That's what I did a few weeks ago and have been running fine on 2.6-test2 since. :) ... of course, I'm running 8 +parts of 9 courtesy of yum too. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Tue Sep 2 19:41:54 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:41:54 +0200 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <200309021705.27963.laur.ivan@corvil.com> References: <3F54B171.1000104@optusnet.com.au> <200309021705.27963.laur.ivan@corvil.com> Message-ID: <1062531714.679.4.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 18:05, Laur Ivan wrote: > ...but AFAIremember, providing a fully featured player in the distribution > would fall under the same (legal) issues as xmms.. Plus, when you compile > MPlayer, you get arch. optimisations (different code used for AMD and P4 for > example), which I'm not sure is feasible/doable. MPlayer supports automatic runtime CPU detecttion, so it can be compiled on, let's say, a P4, and run with no performance penalty on an AMD Athlon XP. > Also, there's a kde wrapper (KMPlayer) somewhere in the packages.. I use Kaffeine... It looks very good :-) From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Sep 2 20:38:00 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Problem sending messages to postfix 2.0.14 from evolution 1.4.3 using SSL (SMTPS) Message-ID: I'm having quite a bit of trouble sending outgoing mail to a postfix 2.0.14 server, from evolution 1.4.3-3 as included in Severn. The SMTP server requires authentication and is run over SSL. The server works fine when using the evolution included in Shrike, and it works fine from other clients like Mozilla Mail and pine. I'm fairly sure therefore that it's not a server-side problem. When evolution tries to send mail, it gives this error: RCPT TO Syntax Error, command unrecognized See an example screenshot here: http://www.trilug.org/~jeremy/Screenshot-Evolution.png The postfix logs show the SSL information when the client succesfully connects, and then they show a disconnect, with no other information. I'm not familiar enough with postfix to know how to increase the logging level, if that would help. Is this a real bug that I should file, or am I missing something entirely? Thanks for any advice on this! I really like Severn but the ability to send email would make it a lot better. Jeremy Portzer -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 2 21:15:50 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1062527840.4984.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Steve Bergman wrote: >On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >> >> this brings up something i've been thinking about for a while -- >> what are the practical/technical/legal issues in bundling what most >> people would *expect* to see on a desktop system? >> > >There seems to be a lot of focus on third party repositories regarding >future releases. Any possibility of adding support to anaconda for >installing these apps from a third party repository? > >Perhaps a question during the install: > >Would you like additional multimedia applications installed? > >With an explanation that RedHat does not operate and has no control over >these third party sources. It is your responsibility to make sure to >use them in accordance with your local laws and statues, blah, blah, >blah... ? > >Mandrake used to do this with regards to encryption software. > If you extrapolate from various United States court rulings about linking to content can be illegal.. I would say that Red Hat can not even do this and sell a product in the United States. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Sep 2 21:46:54 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:46:54 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1062527840.4984.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1062527840.4984.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <200309021746.54028.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 02 September 2003 02:37 pm, Steve Bergman wrote: > Perhaps a question during the install: > > Would you like additional multimedia applications installed? > > With an explanation that RedHat does not operate and has no control over > these third party sources. PLF has a nice Mandrake CD (http://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/iso/MandrakeLinux-9.2beta1-PLF.i586.iso) that you boot with to begin the install. It knows about the three regular CD's and adds its own special rpms to the package list. Otherwise, the install goes normally. I have suggested before that FreshRPMs and Fedora do the same. Then you can have all the multimedia and other stuff you want at install time without an Internet connection. -- Hoyt From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 2 22:07:25 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 02 Sep 2003 18:07:25 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062540445.26655.23.camel@opus> If you extrapolate from various United States court rulings about > linking to content can be illegal.. I would say that Red Hat can not > even do this and sell a product in the United States. I consider this to be an excellent reason why there needs to be an outside-of-the-us yum/apt/etc repository available for packages that 1. red hat can't ship legally and 2. can't be housed on a us server legally but 3. everyone installs for themselves* :) -sv *the above is in no way an encouragement of illegal activity however, if you're resisting the silly circumvention sections of the DMCA I think that's something closer to civil disobedience. :-D From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 22:36:14 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: from "Robert P. J. Day" at Med 02, 2003 02:12:17 Message-ID: <200309022236.h82MaEL05186@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > this brings up something i've been thinking about for a while -- > what are the practical/technical/legal issues in bundling what most > people would *expect* to see on a desktop system? In the USA you will require patent licenses for many things. Red Hat is a free software company so buy them from someone else. (Which is precisely how it used to work) From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 2 22:57:19 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1062540445.26655.23.camel@opus> Message-ID: Probably but Red Hat would still not be able to link to them. Most of the links that were removed from the 2600.com page were outside of the U.S. On 2 Sep 2003, seth vidal wrote: >If you extrapolate from various United States court rulings about >> linking to content can be illegal.. I would say that Red Hat can not >> even do this and sell a product in the United States. > >I consider this to be an excellent reason why there needs to be an >outside-of-the-us yum/apt/etc repository available for packages that 1. >red hat can't ship legally and 2. can't be housed on a us server legally >but 3. everyone installs for themselves* :) > >-sv > > > >*the above is in no way an encouragement of illegal activity however, if >you're resisting the silly circumvention sections of the DMCA I think >that's something closer to civil disobedience. :-D > > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From djoo at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 23:05:01 2003 From: djoo at redhat.com (David Sungmin Joo) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:05:01 +1000 Subject: korean chracters on Severn In-Reply-To: <20030902161000.GA3378@mercury.senux.com> References: <20030902161000.GA3378@mercury.senux.com> Message-ID: <3F55221D.4040906@redhat.com> ?????. ?? ???? ?????? ???. ??? Off???? ???? ??? ???, ?? ?? ????? ?? ? ? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ?? ?????. ?? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?????. ??? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ?? GTK+? ?????????. ?? GTK2+?? ?? ??? eucKR? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???. ?? ??? ??? ????. ?? ??? ??? eng-i18n ??? ?????, ?? ??? ???? ?? ? ?? ??? ???????. ????, ??? ???. ??? UTF-8? ???? ??? ??? ????. Severn ??? ?? CJK? UTF-8?? ?? ???, ??? ??? ???? ????. ?? ????, ?? GEDIT?? ?? ??? ?????, ?? ???? ?? ? ???. ?????? ???? ????. ??, ??? ?? CJK? I10? xterm ??? ?? severn?? ?? ?? ? ? ??? ?? ????. ???? ??? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ? ??? ?? ????. PS/2?? ?? USB? ??.. ?? ?? ?? ????. ???? p.s. ?? ? ???? ????, irc.hanirc.org? #gnome ??? blueDot? ???? ???. Brian Lee wrote: >Hi! > >I installed Severn (beta 2) and found follow several bugs: > >- The Korean chracters are broken in some application like ami, gimp. > (screen: http://www.senux.com/tmp/severn/ami_broken_korean.png > http://www.senux.com/tmp/severn/gimp_broken_korean.png) >- The default font in hanterm is not pretty. And some dirty dots > are left at scrolling in hanterm. I think this is a critical one for > hanterm users. >- Mouse is not working well in configuration box in the first starup > of installing RH. My mouse is 2 button one with wheel. Mouse does > not move where I moved. But mouse working well after the startup > configuration section. >- I think the hanterm icon should be place in ``system tool'' from > start button. (It is in additional system tool now.) > >Thank you for the opened software, RH Linux. > > > From djoo at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 23:08:28 2003 From: djoo at redhat.com (David Sungmin Joo) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:08:28 +1000 Subject: Ooops - Please ignore what I have just posted here Message-ID: <3F5522EC.7020903@redhat.com> Hi all. Please forgive my localised email earlier. I meant to send it specifically for that person. Please ignore the email that I just sent before please. Regards, David Joo From florin at sgi.com Tue Sep 2 23:49:06 2003 From: florin at sgi.com (Florin Andrei) Date: 02 Sep 2003 16:49:06 -0700 Subject: upgrade jpilot Message-ID: <1062546546.31028.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> The current jpilot version in Rawhide is 0.99.5 This is known to have some nasty bugs, which potentially could lead to data loss when sync'ing the PDA. I actually experienced that bug once. :-( That version has been quickly replaced with 0.99.6 on the jpilot website, which seems to work fine. Please upgrade the package on Rawhide to whatever's the latest version. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From seyman at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 2 23:46:28 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:46:28 +0200 Subject: Problem sending messages to postfix 2.0.14 from evolution 1.4.3 using SSL (SMTPS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030902234627.GA31483@orient.maison> On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 04:38:00PM -0400, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > The postfix logs show the SSL information when the client succesfully > connects, and then they show a disconnect, with no other information. I'm > not familiar enough with postfix to know how to increase the logging > level, if that would help. IIRC, you need to add: debug_peer_level = 2 debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1 to your /etc/postfix/main.cf . You should have a /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.14/README_FILES/DEBUG_README file on your system that explains debugging postfix. Emmanuel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 3 00:58:44 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 07:58:44 +0700 Subject: Follow-up: problem loading php dynamic libraries Message-ID: <1062550724.19204.7.camel@bushido> As reported by Dave in msg01083: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg01083.html I have ascertained that something PHP builds against broke sometime after PHP 4.3.2-6 was built but before PHP 4.3.2-7 was; the former worked fine but upon upgrading to PHP 4.3.2-7, no dynamic libraries work. I have tried rebuilding PHP 4.3.2-7 and -5 but the symptom persists. This is rather annoying as I have to rebuild PHP with dBase support to migrate an old database, and now I could get dBase to work (rebuild source RPM with --enable-dbase in the spec file) but MySQL is broken. Which product should I file a bugzilla report against? PHP, or should I try downgrading httpd first? The problem does not seem to be related to the Apache upgrade. Regards, Michel From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Wed Sep 3 03:35:09 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:35:09 -0700 Subject: gconfd-2 not dieing on logout Message-ID: <1062560109.5799.13.camel@suburbia> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the problem that I am seeing... I've noticed that when I invoke gnome-session in my .xinitrc from ssh-agent like this: /usr/bin/ssh-agent gnome-session instead of: exec gnome-session that gconfd-2 doesn't die on logout. I never experienced this while I was running rh9, but only since I started running rawhide packages. Any ideas? -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From hutigers at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 05:31:01 2003 From: hutigers at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?1dgg9s4=?=) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:31:01 +0800 Subject: A security issue about the Gnome authorized applet Message-ID: Today I use a common user account login, then I change the login screen setting in system-settings:/// with root password. I logoff then to see the new login screen. Then I login again with the same common user account mentioned just now.When I get in to Gnome again, I notice that the authorize applet, which icon is two yellow keys, is still there. So I think maybe something on security issue. I think I should not see the authorize applet , since I have already logoffed just now. And I think we must change it. After all, the applet quit after some period of time. However, I still think it should not appear when I re-login as soon as I logoff. _________________________________________________________________ ???? MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn From tmus at get2net.dk Wed Sep 3 06:27:44 2003 From: tmus at get2net.dk (Thomas Munck Steenholdt) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:27:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: A security issue about the Gnome authorized applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23197.80.163.254.90.1062570464.squirrel@www.tmus.dk> > Today I use a common user account login, then I change the login screen > setting in system-settings:/// with root password. I logoff then to see > the new login screen. Then I login again with the same common user > account mentioned just now.When I get in to Gnome again, I notice that > the authorize applet, which icon is two yellow keys, is still there. > So I think maybe something on security issue. I think I should not see > the authorize applet , since I have already logoffed just now. And I > think we must change it. > After all, the applet quit after some period of time. However, I still > think it should not appear when I re-login as soon as I logoff. > If I recall correctly, the authorize applet you are talking about, is really an indicator of a state which is handled by pam on system level, rather than in gnome. everybody correct me if I'm wrong (i know you all will ;-) ) This would mean that if pam allows you to "cache" root access for 3 minutes, then it would be possible to logout and log back in before the access timing out. Regards Thomas From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Wed Sep 3 07:47:04 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (David Balazic) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:47:04 +0200 Subject: Software patents Was: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <200309021803.h82I3ZZ22665@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309021803.h82I3ZZ22665@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F559C78.2080301@uni-mb.si> Alan Cox wrote: >>box...when their isn't even going to a box set anymore(putting aside >>that minor technical impossibility for the moment)...is going to be a >>lovely little minefield of legal problems... > > > Right. Lots of media formats are subject to patents that make it impossible > to ship them in the USA. Or Europe , see http://swpat.ffii.org or any open source project home page, like http://httpd.apache.org/ or even http://www.mplayerhq.hu -- David Balazic -------------- "Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq., & "Ted" Theodore Logan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From thomas at apestaart.org Wed Sep 3 08:12:03 2003 From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:12:03 +0200 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1062524819.9790.34.camel@spatula> References: <1062524819.9790.34.camel@spatula> Message-ID: <1062576722.2932.1.camel@thocra> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 19:46, Jef Spaleta wrote: > Steven Haigh wrote: > > > Surely having out of the box support for most media file types in > > existance would be awesome! A good middle ground IMO is GStreamer, where codecs and file types are handles as plugins. Thus it becomes possible to ship the framework without the "questionable" plugins, and by just installing the plugins (which are .so files) you can add support for other more questionable formats on your own. GStreamer really needs some help as to coders, testers and others to help out and make this a reality. The player is getting there, the format support is slowly getting there as well, but we need people to figure out the last bits. Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> I say the right things but act the wrong way I like it right here but I cannot stay <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Sep 3 08:28:26 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:28:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE error In-Reply-To: <002b01c37170$8ac49240$0400a8c0@gollum> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Tom Vaughan wrote: > I downloaded the text below and placed it into a file called key. > Then I ran rpm --import key. I then tried to install the new up2date > file for Severn, up2date-3.1.46-2-i386.rpm, and I got > SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE error. > > What do I need to do to get up2date working? Download up2date{,-gnome} from rawhide, and install them by hand or get https://rhn.redhat.com/help/RHNS-CA-CERT and copy it to /usr/share/rhn. One of the rhn.redhat.com site keys expired (the key you were updating was the rawhide rpm signing key, which is different). Michael Young From rezso at rdsor.ro Wed Sep 3 08:42:59 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:42:59 +0300 Subject: rawhide up2date Message-ID: <200309031142.59486.rezso@rdsor.ro> Hi ! It is possible to configure up2date to keep track of rawhide and install evrything new from rawhide ? I never used up2date, I understand that up2datre keeps only security updated package updated, thats why my Q arise. Thank you Cristian From hutigers at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 09:10:30 2003 From: hutigers at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?1dgg9s4=?=) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:10:30 +0800 Subject: A bug on Chinese characters when ReName a .desktop or change icon of a .desktop Message-ID: Today I encounter a problem when I rename the .desktop in Gnome 2.3.7 in Severn. When I try to name in English, it will be OK. However, if I change the icon of the .desktop or rename it by right-click on it and use Chinese characters(GB2312), some problems comes. For example: I have a .desktop which name is ????.desktop(it is the Chinese name of stardict which is a e-dictionary) and it appears as ???? on the desktop of Gnome. You may see the Chinese character when you change to gb2312. 0. the original context of ????.desktop is [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Type=Application Exec=stardict TryExec= X-GNOME-DocPath= Terminal=false Name[zh_CN]=???? GenericName[zh_CN]= Comment[zh_CN]= (I use gedit to open the ????.desktop to see what in it) 1.Then I change the icon of ????.desktop. The problem comes, after I change the icon of the .desktop. Its name appears on the desktop of Gnome changes to "No Name". And the context of the ????.desktop changes to [Desktop Entry] Version=1.0 Encoding=UTF-8 Name=No name Type=Application Exec=stardict TryExec= X-GNOME-DocPath= Terminal=false Name[zh_CN]=???? GenericName[zh_CN]= Comment[zh_CN]= 3 I notice that there are two differences between the two contexts. The first is the positional reversal between Encoding=UTF-8 and Version=1.0. And the second, which I think is what cause the problem, is that the entry "Name=No name" is added. 4 I try to solve the problem myself. And I discover two methods (but not the best method). The first is better, I think, is just to open the .desktop with text editor and delete the entry "Name=No name" directly and then save. The second methed is Change the "Name=No name" to "Name=" directly. However, if you use the second method and use the Chinese charater as the name, unfortunately, although the name of .desktop on the desktop looks good or normal, when you re-open the .desktop with gedit or vi, you will find the entry "Name=" change to "Name=". So I guess that is why there is an entry "Name[zh_CN]=" in it . 5. That is all about the bug. And I think the reason is that the entry "Name=" more superior then the entry "Name[zh_CN]=" cause its position is more forward. _________________________________________________________________ ?????????????? MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn From antti at victoria.fi Wed Sep 3 10:55:15 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: 03 Sep 2003 13:55:15 +0300 Subject: apt and severn In-Reply-To: <32716.192.76.80.75.1062530033.spork@webmail.xwell.org> References: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> <1062462553.2422.12.camel@nefertiti.teklan.net> <1062529251.1248.4.camel@onyx> <32716.192.76.80.75.1062530033.spork@webmail.xwell.org> Message-ID: <1062586514.1352.5.camel@onyx> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 22:13, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > > Hmm, it suggests like 100 rpms. This can't be the correct way. Can > > somebody tell me how this apt thing works? I mean are these the packages > > that up2date users get when they upgrade severn? > > Actually, 100 sounds kind of low: when I upgraded from Severn to Raw Hide, > I got closer to 300 RPMs that needed to be updated, and quite a few have > been updated since then (several of those are the same packages, just > updated again, but others are new). I can't say for sure that in fact > you're getting the same ones, but that doesn't sound out of whack at all. Ok, I did dist-upgrade and got this with like every rpm: Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives//gnome-spell_1.0.5-2_i386.rpm: (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#e418e3aa) What is this? checksum is bad I guess? How is this possible? My machine is i686 and not i386... should I do something... -- Antti From alexl at redhat.com Wed Sep 3 11:36:12 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 03 Sep 2003 13:36:12 +0200 Subject: erasing cdrw with nautilus In-Reply-To: <3F549B1D.8050606@lopht.net> References: <3F541D90.7090404@lopht.net> <1062490675.2993.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F549B1D.8050606@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1062588971.2993.134.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 15:29, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Is that new in severn? I'm still trying to get good cd's from the iso's > I downloaded, burning them on shrike. I tried running nautilus-cd-burner > and it didn't work. Yes. The n-c-b in RH9 didn't support burning isos. However, just upgrading to the n-c-b from rawhide will probably work well for you. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's an otherworldly Republican master criminal on a mission from God. She's an elegant Buddhist vampire trying to make a difference in a man's world. They fight crime! From nbecker at hns.com Wed Sep 3 12:02:50 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:02:50 -0400 Subject: Please add exim Message-ID: <200309030802.50814.nbecker@hns.com> Please add exim. I have prepared an rpm package and can send the spec if anyone is interested. It is easy to add since we have "alternatives" so that sendmail, postfix, and exim can all co-exist. From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 3 12:27:19 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please add exim In-Reply-To: <200309030802.50814.nbecker@hns.com> from "Neal D. Becker" at Med 03, 2003 08:02:50 Message-ID: <200309031227.h83CRJl07637@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Please add exim. I have prepared an rpm package and can send the spec if > anyone is interested. It is easy to add since we have "alternatives" so that > sendmail, postfix, and exim can all co-exist. Would be cool (exim fan here). If you've got a package then by all means add it bugzilla or you might want to look at fedora as a starting point - its going to take a little work to roll out 3rd party maintainer infrastructure for the core RHLP and lots of packages probably are not "core" but are still great. (Just like nobody installs every package for Debian) From rezso at rdsor.ro Wed Sep 3 12:34:57 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:34:57 +0300 Subject: [qmail questions] In-Reply-To: <200309030802.50814.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309030802.50814.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200309031534.57207.rezso@rdsor.ro> Just an Q: Is there an reason (legal,strategical) why qmail was not added or why cant be added for future ? or too much MTAs is too much :) someone want exim somewan want qmail. I think qmail is best, has a lot of plugins etc etc. If need it i have a nicely patched srpms wich work great under any RH system, I use tham for production from long time. Of course an Maildir supporting IMAP/POP3 is needed too, [thinking at "courrier"] or imapd already support it ? As i know no, i never digged about it. Cristian From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Sep 3 12:39:56 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:39:56 -0400 Subject: [qmail questions] In-Reply-To: <200309031534.57207.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200309030802.50814.nbecker@hns.com> <200309031534.57207.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <1062592796.30194.12.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 08:34, Balint Cristian wrote: > Just an Q: > > Is there an reason (legal,strategical) why qmail was not added or why cant be added for future ? > or too much MTAs is too much :) someone want exim somewan want qmail. > I think qmail is best, has a lot of plugins etc etc. > qmail's license doesn't allow modified binary redistribution. As it is including qmail would be very difficult. > Of course an Maildir supporting IMAP/POP3 is needed too, [thinking at "courrier"] > or imapd already support it ? As i know no, i never digged about it. look at dovecot. -sv From nosp at xades.com Wed Sep 3 12:40:25 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: 03 Sep 2003 13:40:25 +0100 Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? In-Reply-To: <1062475204.6716.1.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> References: <1062475204.6716.1.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> Message-ID: <1062592825.6262.60.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 05:00, Chris Kloiber wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 22:29, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > Is rhnsd running and did it have a bad key for a while? It checks in > > quite regularly and if it couldnt complete the handshake.. would this > > cause the problem? > > I couldn't say. I am aware of the limit on connections, but I have no > firsthand knowledge of the actual code implementing it. I turned off rhnsd yesterday (killed it and disabled via chkconfig). I still, however, saw the problem again today plus some weird (possibly related) output just before the error -- could indicate a network problem causing up2date to spam RHN? --- # up2date --nox -d -u [...tons of lines with packages being "Done." skipped...] vim-minimal-6.2.71-1.1.i386 ########################## Done. vim-6.2.71-1.1.src.rpm: ########################## Done. vnc-4.0-0.beta3.10.i386.rpm ########################## Done. vnc-4.0-0.beta3.10.src.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: wget-1.8.2-15.3.i386.rpm: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1149, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 748, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1015, in batchRun batch.run() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 73, in run self.__getPackages() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 139, in __getPackages up2date.getPackage(pkg, wrapperUtils.printPkg, wrapperUtils.printRetrieveHash) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", line 313, in getPackage buffer = rpcServer.doCall(repos.getPackage, pkg, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 143, in doCall up2dateAuth.updateLoginInfo() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateAuth.py", line 137, in updateLoginInfo loginInfo = login() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateAuth.py", line 116, in login raise up2dateErrors.AbuseError(f.faultString) up2date_client.up2dateErrors.AbuseError: Error Message: Abuse of Service detected for server earth (1003549202) Error Class Code: 49 Error Class Info: You are getting this error because RHN has detected an abuse of service from this system and account. This error is triggered when your system makes too many connections to Red Hat Network. This error can not be triggered under a normal use of the Red Hat Network service as configured by default on Red Hat Linux. The Red Hat Network services for this system will remain disabled until you will reduce the RHN network traffic from your system to acceptable limits. Please log into RHN and visit https://rhn.redhat.com/help/contact.pxt to contact technical support if you think you have received this message in error. From pmatilai at welho.com Wed Sep 3 12:56:50 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:56:50 +0300 Subject: apt and severn In-Reply-To: <1062586514.1352.5.camel@onyx> References: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> <1062462553.2422.12.camel@nefertiti.teklan.net> <1062529251.1248.4.camel@onyx> <32716.192.76.80.75.1062530033.spork@webmail.xwell.org> <1062586514.1352.5.camel@onyx> Message-ID: <1062593810.3f55e51299ed8@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Antti : > On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 22:13, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > > > Hmm, it suggests like 100 rpms. This can't be the correct way. Can > > > somebody tell me how this apt thing works? I mean are these the > packages > > > that up2date users get when they upgrade severn? > > > > Actually, 100 sounds kind of low: when I upgraded from Severn to Raw > Hide, > > I got closer to 300 RPMs that needed to be updated, and quite a few have > > been updated since then (several of those are the same packages, just > > updated again, but others are new). I can't say for sure that in fact > > you're getting the same ones, but that doesn't sound out of whack at all. > Ok, I did dist-upgrade and got this with like every rpm: > > Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives//gnome-spell_1.0.5-2_i386.rpm: > (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#e418e3aa) > > What is this? checksum is bad I guess? How is this possible? My machine > is i686 and not i386... should I do something... You don't have the Red Hat Beta key (or whatever it's called nowadays) imported. "rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY" unless the key used to sign the packages has changed recently. -- - Panu - From nbecker at hns.com Wed Sep 3 13:38:49 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:38:49 -0400 Subject: Please add exim In-Reply-To: <200309031227.h83CRJl07637@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309031227.h83CRJl07637@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309030938.49650.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 03 September 2003 08:27 am, Alan Cox wrote: > > Please add exim. I have prepared an rpm package and can send the spec if > > anyone is interested. It is easy to add since we have "alternatives" so > > that sendmail, postfix, and exim can all co-exist. > > Would be cool (exim fan here). If you've got a package then by all means > add it bugzilla or you might want to look at fedora as a starting point - > its going to take a little work to roll out 3rd party maintainer > infrastructure for the core RHLP and lots of packages probably are not > "core" but are still great. (Just like nobody installs every package for > Debian) > Please find my latest exim SRPM here: http://www.xecu.net/nbecker/exim-4.22-2_10.rh9.src.rpm I am using this with no problem on RH9. I have not tested it on any RH beta. From kylem at xwell.org Wed Sep 3 13:41:18 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:41:18 -0500 Subject: rawhide up2date In-Reply-To: <200309031142.59486.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200309031142.59486.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <1062596478.25183.1.camel@lando> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 03:42, Balint Cristian wrote: > It is possible to configure up2date to keep track of rawhide and install > evrything new from rawhide ? > > I never used up2date, I understand that up2datre keeps only security updated package > updated, thats why my Q arise. Yes, if you go to https://rhn.redhat.com and register your system, you'll see that a sub-channel for "Severn updates" will be available. Check the box next to that channel and you'll be subscribed to Raw Hide updates. Red Hat has really made this bleeding-edge stuff a lot simpler with that feature! -- Kyle Maxwell From kylem at xwell.org Wed Sep 3 13:46:24 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:46:24 -0500 Subject: Please add exim In-Reply-To: <200309030938.49650.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309031227.h83CRJl07637@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309030938.49650.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1062596784.25183.4.camel@lando> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 08:38, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Wednesday 03 September 2003 08:27 am, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Please add exim. I have prepared an rpm package and can send the spec if > > > anyone is interested. It is easy to add since we have "alternatives" so > > > that sendmail, postfix, and exim can all co-exist. > > > > Would be cool (exim fan here). If you've got a package then by all means > > add it bugzilla or you might want to look at fedora as a starting point - > > its going to take a little work to roll out 3rd party maintainer > > infrastructure for the core RHLP and lots of packages probably are not > > "core" but are still great. (Just like nobody installs every package for > > Debian) > > > > Please find my latest exim SRPM here: > > http://www.xecu.net/nbecker/exim-4.22-2_10.rh9.src.rpm > > I am using this with no problem on RH9. I have not tested it on any RH beta. Fedora might be a better bet to get it used at first; the new RHLP direction (as I understand it) is to rely more on third-party repositories for additional software as much as possible. Take a look at http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy and see if that works well for you. Personally, I prefer postfix, but I absolutely agree that it's good for everyone to be able to easily choose their favorite. -- Kyle Maxwell From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Sep 3 14:57:14 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:57:14 +0200 Subject: rawhide changelog? Message-ID: <200309031657.14331.terraformers@gmx.net> hello updating daily to the newest rawhide,i'im wondering if there is a changelog available for the new packages. i know i could read the specfile from the srpms, but im updating with binary rpms. thanks, lars From tjb at unh.edu Wed Sep 3 15:09:40 2003 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:09:40 -0400 Subject: rawhide changelog? In-Reply-To: <200309031657.14331.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200309031657.14331.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1062601780.7435.1.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 10:57, lars wrote: > hello > > updating daily to the newest rawhide,i'im wondering if there is a changelog > available for the new packages. > i know i could read the specfile from the srpms, but im updating with binary rpms. > > > thanks, > lars > You can always 'rpm -q --changelog' individual rpms: wintermute> rpm -q --changelog XFree86 | more * Mon Sep 01 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-24 - Disable Glide3 support on ia64 as it does not really work anyway - Disable xkb-multilayout-modifier-fix-CVS11137 as the ALT-TAB problem is back now, and this is the next likely candidate cause * Thu Aug 28 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-23.dbg - Updated XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt.patch from Jakub , so that libGL TLS support now works on all x86 class CPUs, rather than just i686 and higher. New version is: XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt-v2.patch - Disabled xkb-us_intl-and-other-fixes-CVS11216 and xkb-fix-sticky-modifiers patches since they fix one bug, to create another, and fix that bug to create several more. The original problem was much less worse and affected far less people. - Enabled with_debuglibs temporarily for debugging purposes * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.4 - Added --libdir=%{_x11libdir} for Xft/Xrender stuff * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.3 wintermute> tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> thanks, but i'm using synaptic so there is no local package stored after update. i think its the same with the up2date tool. would be nice to have a global rawhide changelog. best, lars -- On Wed, 2003-09-03 you wrote: You can always 'rpm -q --changelog' individual rpms: wintermute> rpm -q --changelog XFree86 | more * Mon Sep 01 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-24 - Disable Glide3 support on ia64 as it does not really work anyway - Disable xkb-multilayout-modifier-fix-CVS11137 as the ALT-TAB problem is back now, and this is the next likely candidate cause * Thu Aug 28 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-23.dbg - Updated XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt.patch from Jakub , so that libGL TLS support now works on all x86 class CPUs, rather than just i686 and higher. New version is: XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt-v2.patch - Disabled xkb-us_intl-and-other-fixes-CVS11216 and xkb-fix-sticky-modifiers patches since they fix one bug, to create another, and fix that bug to create several more. The original problem was much less worse and affected far less people. - Enabled with_debuglibs temporarily for debugging purposes * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.4 - Added --libdir=%{_x11libdir} for Xft/Xrender stuff * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.3 wintermute> tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb unh edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From rezso at rdsor.ro Wed Sep 3 22:53:33 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:53:33 -0400 Subject: rawhide changelog? In-Reply-To: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200309031853.33101.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Wednesday 03 September 2003 11:53, lars wrote: > thanks, but i'm using synaptic so there is no local package stored after > update. i think its the same with the up2date tool. > would be nice to have a global rawhide changelog. Be little practical: try it: [rezso at sun rezso]$ rpm -q --changelog XFree86 | more * Thu Aug 21 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22 - Added XFree86-4.3.0-libGL-multitexture-defines.patch to fix bug where wine and various other OpenGL applications wont compile with Mesa from 4.3.0 due to a gl.h header file bug introduced in 4.3.0 (#97840) - Added XFree86-4.3.0-libXrandr-missing-sharedreqs.patch to fix bug (#102924) - Added XFree86-4.3.0-xkb-fix-sticky-modifiers.patch to fix problem in XFree8 no need for local .rpm or .srpms or synapsis .... :)) > > > best, > lars > > > > > -- > On Wed, 2003-09-03 you wrote: > > You can always 'rpm -q --changelog' individual rpms: > > wintermute> rpm -q --changelog XFree86 | more > * Mon Sep 01 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-24 > > - Disable Glide3 support on ia64 as it does not really work anyway > - Disable xkb-multilayout-modifier-fix-CVS11137 as the ALT-TAB problem > is back > now, and this is the next likely candidate cause > > * Thu Aug 28 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-23.dbg > > - Updated XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt.patch from Jakub > , > so that libGL TLS support now works on all x86 class CPUs, rather than > just > i686 and higher. New version is: > XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt-v2.patch > - Disabled xkb-us_intl-and-other-fixes-CVS11216 and > xkb-fix-sticky-modifiers > patches since they fix one bug, to create another, and fix that bug to > create several more. The original problem was much less worse and > affected > far less people. > - Enabled with_debuglibs temporarily for debugging purposes > > * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.4 > > - Added --libdir=%{_x11libdir} for Xft/Xrender stuff > > * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.3 > wintermute> > > tjb -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Sep 3 16:00:27 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:00:27 +0200 Subject: rawhide changelog? Message-ID: <200309031800.27518.terraformers@gmx.net> Verry nice! Really love redhat for this kind of plans! thanks! lars - a happy RH user - you said: > updating daily to the newest rawhide,i'im wondering if there is a changelog > available for the new packages. There's a plan for one, it's currently about #37 on my todo list. :/ Bill From rezso at rdsor.ro Wed Sep 3 22:55:32 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:55:32 -0400 Subject: rawhide changelog? [global changelog] In-Reply-To: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200309031855.32187.rezso@rdsor.ro> Thats global changelog: rpm -qa --changelog cheers, Cristian. On Wednesday 03 September 2003 11:53, lars wrote: > thanks, but i'm using synaptic so there is no local package stored after > update. i think its the same with the up2date tool. > would be nice to have a global rawhide changelog. > > > best, > lars > > > > > -- > On Wed, 2003-09-03 you wrote: > > You can always 'rpm -q --changelog' individual rpms: > > wintermute> rpm -q --changelog XFree86 | more > * Mon Sep 01 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-24 > > - Disable Glide3 support on ia64 as it does not really work anyway > - Disable xkb-multilayout-modifier-fix-CVS11137 as the ALT-TAB problem > is back > now, and this is the next likely candidate cause > > * Thu Aug 28 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-23.dbg > > - Updated XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt.patch from Jakub > , > so that libGL TLS support now works on all x86 class CPUs, rather than > just > i686 and higher. New version is: > XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt-v2.patch > - Disabled xkb-us_intl-and-other-fixes-CVS11216 and > xkb-fix-sticky-modifiers > patches since they fix one bug, to create another, and fix that bug to > create several more. The original problem was much less worse and > affected > far less people. > - Enabled with_debuglibs temporarily for debugging purposes > > * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.4 > > - Added --libdir=%{_x11libdir} for Xft/Xrender stuff > > * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.3 > wintermute> > > tjb -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Sep 3 16:04:40 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:04:40 +0200 Subject: rawhide changelog? In-Reply-To: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20030903180440.4a96ce98.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:53:43 +0200, lars wrote: [in response to "rpm -q --changelog PACKAGENAME"] > thanks, but i'm using synaptic so there is no local package stored after update. > i think its the same with the up2date tool. But sure! Look at "rpm --query --all --last | less" to see all packages which are installed. You can query the changelog of _all_ those installed packages. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/VhEY0iMVcrivHFQRAstuAKCDgJ8sQ+OSooZ+V9WGmYFp2VujXQCfdahW JEZ5G4vJAZKqohrjgx2rdD0= =nk8z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Sep 3 16:07:29 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:07:29 +0200 Subject: rawhide changelog? [global changelog] In-Reply-To: <200309031855.32187.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200309031753.43659.terraformers@gmx.net> <200309031855.32187.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <200309031807.29244.terraformers@gmx.net> yay! magic! thanks again! :) lars On Thursday 04 September 2003 00:55, you wrote: > Thats global changelog: > > rpm -qa --changelog > > cheers, > Cristian. > > On Wednesday 03 September 2003 11:53, lars wrote: > > thanks, but i'm using synaptic so there is no local package stored after > > update. i think its the same with the up2date tool. > > would be nice to have a global rawhide changelog. > > > > > > best, > > lars > > > > > > > > > > -- > > On Wed, 2003-09-03 you wrote: > > > > You can always 'rpm -q --changelog' individual rpms: > > > > wintermute> rpm -q --changelog XFree86 | more > > * Mon Sep 01 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-24 > > > > - Disable Glide3 support on ia64 as it does not really work anyway > > - Disable xkb-multilayout-modifier-fix-CVS11137 as the ALT-TAB problem > > is back > > now, and this is the next likely candidate cause > > > > * Thu Aug 28 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-23.dbg > > > > - Updated XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt.patch from Jakub > > , > > so that libGL TLS support now works on all x86 class CPUs, rather than > > just > > i686 and higher. New version is: > > XFree86-4.3.0-redhat-libGL-opt-v2.patch > > - Disabled xkb-us_intl-and-other-fixes-CVS11216 and > > xkb-fix-sticky-modifiers > > patches since they fix one bug, to create another, and fix that bug to > > create several more. The original problem was much less worse and > > affected > > far less people. > > - Enabled with_debuglibs temporarily for debugging purposes > > > > * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.4 > > > > - Added --libdir=%{_x11libdir} for Xft/Xrender stuff > > > > * Tue Aug 26 2003 Mike A. Harris 4.3.0-22.3 > > wintermute> > > > > tjb From antti at victoria.fi Wed Sep 3 16:11:23 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: 03 Sep 2003 19:11:23 +0300 Subject: apt and severn In-Reply-To: <1062593810.3f55e51299ed8@webmail.welho.com> References: <1062451268.1297.11.camel@onyx> <1062462553.2422.12.camel@nefertiti.teklan.net> <1062529251.1248.4.camel@onyx> <32716.192.76.80.75.1062530033.spork@webmail.xwell.org> <1062586514.1352.5.camel@onyx> <1062593810.3f55e51299ed8@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <1062605483.1410.2.camel@onyx> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 15:56, Panu Matilainen wrote: > Quoting Antti : > > > On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 22:13, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > > > > Hmm, it suggests like 100 rpms. This can't be the correct way. Can > > > > somebody tell me how this apt thing works? I mean are these the > > packages > > > > that up2date users get when they upgrade severn? > > > > > > Actually, 100 sounds kind of low: when I upgraded from Severn to Raw > > Hide, > > > I got closer to 300 RPMs that needed to be updated, and quite a few have > > > been updated since then (several of those are the same packages, just > > > updated again, but others are new). I can't say for sure that in fact > > > you're getting the same ones, but that doesn't sound out of whack at all. > > Ok, I did dist-upgrade and got this with like every rpm: > > > > Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives//gnome-spell_1.0.5-2_i386.rpm: > > (SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#e418e3aa) > > > > What is this? checksum is bad I guess? How is this possible? My machine > > is i686 and not i386... should I do something... > > You don't have the Red Hat Beta key (or whatever it's called nowadays) imported. > "rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY" unless the key used to sign the > packages has changed recently. It didn't work. Where do I get the current one? Thanks in advance. -- Antti From rezso at rdsor.ro Wed Sep 3 23:08:45 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:08:45 -0400 Subject: rawhide up2date In-Reply-To: <1062596478.25183.1.camel@lando> References: <200309031142.59486.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1062596478.25183.1.camel@lando> Message-ID: <200309031908.45647.rezso@rdsor.ro> I visited rhn.redhat.com (i haved an v old account) It is unclear, so that mean i must buy/aquire an entitlement to register my system, or i dont see the right way ? Cristian On Wednesday 03 September 2003 09:41, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 03:42, Balint Cristian wrote: > > It is possible to configure up2date to keep track of rawhide and install > > evrything new from rawhide ? > > > > I never used up2date, I understand that up2datre keeps only security > > updated package updated, thats why my Q arise. > > Yes, if you go to https://rhn.redhat.com and register your system, > you'll see that a sub-channel for "Severn updates" will be available. > Check the box next to that channel and you'll be subscribed to Raw Hide > updates. Red Hat has really made this bleeding-edge stuff a lot simpler > with that feature! -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From kylem at xwell.org Wed Sep 3 16:55:53 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:55:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: rawhide up2date In-Reply-To: <200309031908.45647.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200309031142.59486.rezso@rdsor.ro> <1062596478.25183.1.camel@lando> <200309031908.45647.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <28935.192.76.80.75.1062608153.spork@webmail.xwell.org> You can use a demo entitlement for this system (only 1 per account). This would then let you get the updates via RHN but you won't have some of the additional features with a full account and you'll need to fill out a survey every 60 days. For me, this works great for my home beta system. > I visited rhn.redhat.com (i haved an v old account) > > It is unclear, so that mean i must buy/aquire an entitlement > to register my system, or i dont see the right way ? > > > Cristian > > On Wednesday 03 September 2003 09:41, Kyle Maxwell wrote: >> Yes, if you go to https://rhn.redhat.com and register your system, >> you'll see that a sub-channel for "Severn updates" will be available. >> Check the box next to that channel and you'll be subscribed to Raw Hide >> updates. Red Hat has really made this bleeding-edge stuff a lot simpler >> with that feature! -- Kyle Maxwell From smoogen at lanl.gov Wed Sep 3 20:59:17 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [qmail questions] In-Reply-To: <200309031534.57207.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Balint Cristian wrote: >Just an Q: > > Is there an reason (legal,strategical) why qmail was not added >or why cant be added for future ? or too much MTAs is too much :) >someone want exim somewan want qmail. > I think qmail is best, has a lot of plugins etc etc. qmail license does not allow for changes to the binary and di. Red Hat may not patch the code and distribute it. It may also not be possible to distribute it in any form but tar ball.. but that could be an urban legend. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 3 22:45:42 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:45:42 -0400 Subject: no ... *really* ... any ETA for updated beta? In-Reply-To: <20030828153341.5FC9C3F7E@null.cs.brown.edu>; from jdy@cs.brown.edu on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:33:41AM -0400 References: <200308271843.45144.hoyt@cavtel.net> <20030827201435.B4904@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030828153341.5FC9C3F7E@null.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <20030903184542.A26759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:33:41AM -0400, Joel Young wrote: > Since this is intended to be a community project, I have viewed > these release dates as managerial goals to help the redhat external > participants manage their resources. Yup. That is certainly one of the points of discussing the dates. And your points about scheduling your own work on it are actually points that we've been bringing up in our internal discussions about the changes we need to make, and they've been taken into account as our plans firm up. While we're not quite sticking to our dates this time (whoever suggested that we want to have the web site back up in all its glory before the next beta is quite right, by the way), I think that the process will improve based on the changes we're making and the feedback we've been getting here. I would like to mention, however, that the daily pushes to RHN are a big change that we hope will affect the way that the whole cycle works. We want to focus on testing new stuff regularily, so that we find new bugs soonest after introducing them and have a better idea where to find the mistakes we made. :-) This means that the dates we put out new ISOs matters much less than it used to. We're explicitly trying to push to a new, better process; one that we think will make the whole testing process more flexible and productive. So I'd like to encourage everyone to subscribe to the RHN channel and test it as you have time available; while we're working on getting the site up again and another set of ISOs out, they should not be a prerequisite for testing. I'd also like to thank the folks who have been following the RHN channel and rawhide while we've been essentially web-silent. We certainly haven't stopped the technical development process while we've been resolving the other questions that caused us to take down the web site... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From netwiz at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 3 22:54:49 2003 From: netwiz at optusnet.com.au (Steven Haigh) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:54:49 +1000 Subject: Show package download size in up2date? Message-ID: <3F567139.5060106@optusnet.com.au> After pulling down a few updates last night, I had a thought that it would be handy if up2date told the user how big each package that it's going to download (maybe during an 'up2date -l'?) and the progess bars when the actual download is going state something like 'package name #### 120k/sec 1:02 left 2.8/10Mb' At present, from using the up2date cmd line, there's no way to tell how big the packages are - unless I'm overlooking a simple option (possible!).. -- Signed, Steven Haigh http://wireless.org.au (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.) You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think. We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart. I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup. From hp at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 02:26:35 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:26:35 -0400 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. In-Reply-To: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030903222635.D2131@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Hi, Can you check your ~/.gconfd permissions (see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121217) Havoc From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Sep 4 03:18:44 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:18:44 -0400 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. In-Reply-To: <20030903222635.D2131@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030903222635.D2131@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062645523.1539.4.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 22:26, Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > Can you check your ~/.gconfd permissions (see > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121217) > as I mentioned in the bug - I can confirm this on rhl9. if the .gconf* directories have the group bit set with write or sticky then gconfd will exit. new directories appear to be being created g+s if you're using user-groups as is common on rhl systems. -sv From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 04:06:08 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:06:08 -0400 Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? In-Reply-To: <1062592825.6262.60.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1062475204.6716.1.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> <1062592825.6262.60.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1062648368.18297.36.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> The information you provided was enough for me to look up some of the information RHN keeps about your system. (As a Red Hat Support tech I have access to some RHN stored info, like package lists.) I noticed that RHN believes you to have 2 separate versions of up2date installed currently: up2date-3.9.19-2 up2date-3.9.23-2 up2date-gnome-3.9.19-2 up2date-gnome-3.9.23-2 This could be one reason why up2date is misbehaving for you, or it could mean RHN's copy of your package list is incorrect. Make sure your rpm database is sane and see if your system also believes these packages are installed twice with the commands: # rpm --rebuilddb # rpm -qa | grep up2date If your system believes both versions are installed, remove both of them with the command: # rpm -e --allmatches up2date up2date-gnome Then download and install the latest versions of both packages as documented on the RHN web page. Finally update RHN's package list with the command: # up2date -p I have not seen one package (wget in your case) get downloaded repeatedly like that before, but perhaps the version you have in /var/spool/up2date needs to be deleted before you attempt to update again. If I assume for the moment (yes, assumptions are dangerous things) that the package list on RHN for your system is accurate, then the two up2date packages are the only twice installed packages you have. Hope this helps. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Sep 4 04:41:08 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 00:41:08 -0400 Subject: gnome desktop is *still* unusable after rawhide update. In-Reply-To: <1062645523.1539.4.camel@binkley> References: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030903222635.D2131@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1062645523.1539.4.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <200309040041.08888.elwoo@videotron.ca> On Wednesday 03 September 2003 23:18, seth vidal seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 22:26, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Can you check your ~/.gconfd permissions (see > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121217) After the most recent updates from rawhide (added to a pristing install), I can now access the Gnome desktop, but there is still some flakiness with the gnome-panel. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102530 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From hoyt at cavtel.net Thu Sep 4 04:43:33 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:43:33 -0400 Subject: VMware working with RH beta? Message-ID: <200309040043.33551.hoyt@cavtel.net> Has anyone had luck installing the beta on VMware (I have 4.0.2 build-5592). It keeps crashing for me during the install right after detecting the disk drives; noprobe does not help. Other OS's (even SkyOS) will run OK. Advice? Thanks, Hoyt From nosp at xades.com Thu Sep 4 08:59:16 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:59:16 +0100 Subject: False alarm: Abuse of RHN Service? In-Reply-To: <1062648368.18297.36.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> References: <1062475204.6716.1.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> <1062592825.6262.60.camel@earth.xades.com> <1062648368.18297.36.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> Message-ID: <1062665956.5984.165.camel@earth.xades.com> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 05:06, Chris Kloiber wrote: > The information you provided was enough for me to look up some of the > information RHN keeps about your system. (As a Red Hat Support tech I > have access to some RHN stored info, like package lists.) I noticed that > RHN believes you to have 2 separate versions of up2date installed > currently: > > up2date-3.9.19-2 > up2date-3.9.23-2 > up2date-gnome-3.9.19-2 > up2date-gnome-3.9.23-2 > > This could be one reason why up2date is misbehaving for you, or it could > mean RHN's copy of your package list is incorrect. Make sure your rpm > database is sane and see if your system also believes these packages are > installed twice with the commands: > > # rpm --rebuilddb > # rpm -qa | grep up2date > I checked the up2date packages installed both before and after a --rebuilddb but there were only the one version set (3.9.23) installed. However I did just successfully complete a full update to the severn-update packages (including up2date & up2date-gnome) between my earlier mail and your mail, so it is possible that the problem existed and was fixed by the time I looked. Just to make sure things were all cleaned up I ran up2date -p as you recommended. > I have not seen one package (wget in your case) get downloaded > repeatedly like that before, but perhaps the version you have in > /var/spool/up2date needs to be deleted before you attempt to update > again. I have seen it happen with at least one other package: tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rpm (on Tuesday of this week -- traceback at end of this message). The python traceback and abuse of service error message were the same. I haven't seen it get hung up on the same package twice -- it could be related to certain package files but up2date must recover. For now I'll put this down to an annoyance but will report any new behavior/information I find. If there is anything I can do to gather more/better details let me know. Thanks for looking into this. Martin # up2date --nox -d -u Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... ######################################## Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... Fetching rpm headers... ######################################## Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... warning: package db4 = 4.1.25-9 was already added, replacing with db4 <= 4.1.25-9 warning: package db4-devel = 4.1.25-9 was already added, replacing with db4-devel <= 4.1.25-9 warning: package db4-utils = 4.1.25-9 was already added, replacing with db4-utils <= 4.1.25-9 ######################################## coreutils-5.0-14.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. coreutils-5.0-14.src.rpm: ########################## Done. cpp-3.3.1-2.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. gcc-3.3.1-2.src.rpm: ########################## Done. [...tons of packages...] telnet-0.17-26.2.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. telnet-0.17-26.2.src.rpm: termcap-11.0.1-17.noarch.rp ##### ########################## Done. termcap-11.0.1-17.src.rpm: tetex-2.0.2-8.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. tetex-2.0.2-8.src.rpm: tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp tetex-dvips-2.0.2-8.i386.rp Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1149, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 748, in main fullUpdate, dryRun=options.dry_run)) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1015, in batchRun batch.run() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 73, in run self.__getPackages() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateBatch.py", line 139, in __getPackages up2date.getPackage(pkg, wrapperUtils.printPkg, wrapperUtils.printRetrieveHash) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2date.py", line 313, in getPackage buffer = rpcServer.doCall(repos.getPackage, pkg, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 143, in doCall up2dateAuth.updateLoginInfo() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateAuth.py", line 137, in updateLoginInfo loginInfo = login() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/up2dateAuth.py", line 116, in login raise up2dateErrors.AbuseError(f.faultString) up2date_client.up2dateErrors.AbuseError: Error Message: Abuse of Service detected for server earth (1003549202) Error Class Code: 49 Error Class Info: You are getting this error because RHN has detected an abuse of [...std error message...] From nxg at saratov.pvrr.ru Thu Sep 4 09:02:59 2003 From: nxg at saratov.pvrr.ru (Sergey Mihailov) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:02:59 +0400 Subject: install_on_comp_video_GForceFX5200 In-Reply-To: <20030903222635.D2131@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309011509.05215.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030903222635.D2131@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F56FFC3.10308@saratov.pvrr.mps> Hi all ! ( sorry break my engl ) VESA mode from X430 no suport in video GF FX5200. I install in text mode. reboot gui, FIRST BOOT .... ( ---------------- in TEXT install mode NO quest for : X or noX ( 3-5 initab ) if ( 5 ) { no config x86Config for 5-initab ( 'vesa' to 'nv' ) } else ( 3) { add grub nogui } ---------------- Bugs ? Sorry. Thanks :) -- MX JID: mx at ns.nxg.pvrr.mps ICQ: 1002 ( icq.pvrr.mps ) [ Sorry. is time N/A ] mailto:mx at nxg.pvrr.mps ( intranet only) From rezso at rdsor.ro Thu Sep 4 09:31:46 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:31:46 +0300 Subject: up2date rpm signiture in beta chanel (i imported beta key ..). Message-ID: <200309041231.46056.rezso@rdsor.ro> I subscribed to severn beta updates subchanel, but up2date always bug me that rpm package is not signed .... I already do: rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY" and the same bugging is happen ... wrong key ? From jorton at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 09:47:54 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:47:54 +0100 Subject: Follow-up: problem loading php dynamic libraries In-Reply-To: <1062550724.19204.7.camel@bushido> References: <1062550724.19204.7.camel@bushido> Message-ID: <20030904094754.GA23888@redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 07:58:44AM +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > As reported by Dave in msg01083: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg01083.html > > I have ascertained that something PHP builds against broke sometime > after PHP 4.3.2-6 was built but before PHP 4.3.2-7 was; the former > worked fine but upon upgrading to PHP 4.3.2-7, no dynamic libraries > work. > > I have tried rebuilding PHP 4.3.2-7 and -5 but the symptom persists. > This is rather annoying as I have to rebuild PHP with dBase support to > migrate an old database, and now I could get dBase to work (rebuild > source RPM with --enable-dbase in the spec file) but MySQL is broken. The problem is that the symbols aren't exported by libphp4.so when they should be - it's not yet clear to me why this happens. You're saying that if you *rebuild* -5 then it also has this problem? (Whereas the original -5 package worked) > Which product should I file a bugzilla report against? PHP, or should I > try downgrading httpd first? The problem does not seem to be related to > the Apache upgrade. It was filed already as #103690, it's a bug in the php package. Regards, joe From nbecker at hns.com Thu Sep 4 12:33:38 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:33:38 -0400 Subject: Disk config tool? Message-ID: <200309040833.38059.nbecker@hns.com> I'm running beta1 with kde desktop. I didn't find any gui disk config tool (basically, something to edit fstab for you). Is there such a beast? Shouldn't it be easy to find? From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Thu Sep 4 13:25:36 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rawhide changelog? In-Reply-To: <200309031657.14331.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, lars wrote: > hello > > updating daily to the newest rawhide,i'im wondering if there is a changelog > available for the new packages. > i know i could read the specfile from the srpms, but im updating with binary rpms. > rpm -qp --changelog x.rpm > > thanks, > lars > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Thu Sep 4 14:08:27 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:08:27 +0200 Subject: no ... *really* ... any ETA for updated beta? In-Reply-To: <20030903184542.A26759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030828153341.5FC9C3F7E@null.cs.brown.edu>; from jdy@cs.brown.edu on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:33:41AM -0400 Message-ID: <3F57637B.28585.7DC629@localhost> Hi Michael, > I would like to mention, however, that the daily pushes to RHN > are a big change that we hope will affect the way that the whole > cycle works. > We're explicitly trying to push to a new, better process; one > that we think will make the whole testing process more flexible > and productive. > > So I'd like to encourage everyone to subscribe to the RHN channel > and test it as you have time available; Is there any difference between the RHN channel and RawHide via ftp? In other words, is there any reason to subscribe to RHN instead of just using my local RawHide mirror? It's probably much faster to use my local mirror than an overloaded server somewhere in the US. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 14:16:43 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date rpm signiture in beta chanel (i imported beta key ..). In-Reply-To: <200309041231.46056.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Balint Cristian wrote: > I subscribed to severn beta updates subchanel, but up2date always > bug me that rpm package is not signed .... > > I already do: > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY" > > and the same bugging is happen ... > > wrong key ? You need to import the rawhide key. You can download it from http://www.redhat.com/security/e418e3aa.txt or find it inside the redhat-release package that is in the updates subchannel. -- Elliot For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe. From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Sep 4 17:14:04 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:14:04 +0300 Subject: gnome clock applet always displays time in UTC Message-ID: <3F5772DC.7050104@coresma.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi. I'm running severn updated to latest rawhide. Clock applet in gnome always displays time in UTC. My time zone set correctly, and date command displays time correctly. Anyone else experienced this behavior? Pavel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/V3LfHJityMnHjjERAuXBAJ9qVKpd2O3CcM69mxL1hBieVFT+wACgtYfe 8c5hBZHTBkMdoG70zDx1jP0= =+xTZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From riel at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 17:20:37 2003 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [qmail questions] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Balint Cristian wrote: > > > Is there an reason (legal,strategical) why qmail was not added > >or why cant be added for future ? or too much MTAs is too much :) > >someone want exim somewan want qmail. > > I think qmail is best, has a lot of plugins etc etc. > > qmail license does not allow for changes to the binary and di. Red Hat > may not patch the code and distribute it. Two reasons why this is bad (there are probably more): 1) initscripts and other things to get qmail going must be shipped in a separate RPM and cannot be shipped in the qmail RPM since that would be a modification 2) (IIRC) standard qmail doesn't know about attachments, so a virus sent to "unknownuser at domain.tld" would result in a bounce message with the virus attached to the (forged) sender ... which might be illegal in some countries, since you'd be knowingly helping with the distribution of email virusses ;)) ... please correct me if I'm wrong and this issue has been fixed in a recent qmail release, if there was a recent release kind regards, Rik -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From rezso at rdsor.ro Fri Sep 5 01:42:29 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: [mplayer/ffmpeg questions] Message-ID: <200309042142.29392.rezso@rdsor.ro> Well known that mplayer/ffmpeg may contain some non pure GPL or some proprietary stuff code but cannot be shiped as xmms is shiped without mp3 support ? With xvid and few 100% legaly clean stuff ? mencoder can be nicely used to record-commpress realtime from diffrent source like tvtunner as no other software in world, ffmpeg can be nicely used as streaming audio/video via web much better as any streaming. Not big deal maybe stupid idea, just ask too see opinion about it, cristian -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Sep 4 18:59:26 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:59:26 -0400 Subject: error messages with today's rawhide updates ...(04 SEP. 03) Message-ID: <200309041459.26369.elwoo@videotron.ca> I get the following errors installing some updates from rawhide: "^ Content list file does not exist, is not readable, or is not well-formed XML: /var/lib/scrollkeeper/it/scrollkeeper_cl.xml /var/lib/scrollkeeper/it/scrollkeeper_cl.xml:1: error: Document is empty ^ /var/lib/scrollkeeper/it/scrollkeeper_cl.xml:1: error: Start tag expected, '<' not found" (repeated several times) AND more importantly this one when upgrading the kernel ( I should have used rpm -ivh, instead of -Uvh with the kernel-athlon package, but <*shrug*> it's too late: "5:kernel ########################################### [ 56%] depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl/kernel/net/bluetooth/cmtp/cmtp.o depmod: detach_capi_driver_Rf5f7d0de depmod: attach_capi_driver_R61677334" About to logout, reboot and see what happens... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 19:06:27 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:06:27 -0400 Subject: no ... *really* ... any ETA for updated beta? In-Reply-To: <3F57637B.28585.7DC629@localhost>; from leonardjo@hetnet.nl on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:08:27PM +0200 References: <20030828153341.5FC9C3F7E@null.cs.brown.edu>; <20030903184542.A26759@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F57637B.28585.7DC629@localhost> Message-ID: <20030904150627.A5751@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:08:27PM +0200, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Is there any difference between the RHN channel and RawHide via ftp? In > other words, is there any reason to subscribe to RHN instead of just using > my local RawHide mirror? It's probably much faster to use my local mirror > than an overloaded server somewhere in the US. AFAIK the main difference is that they are pushed out at different times and so won't necessarily be in perfect sync with each other. They are based on the same stream of packages. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From mikko at vapaa.dc.inet.fi Thu Sep 4 19:09:52 2003 From: mikko at vapaa.dc.inet.fi (Mikko Paananen) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:09:52 +0300 Subject: [mplayer/ffmpeg questions] In-Reply-To: <200309042142.29392.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200309042142.29392.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <1062702591.11989.9.camel@death> On pe, 2003-09-05 at 04:42, Balint Cristian wrote: > Well known that mplayer/ffmpeg may contain some non pure GPL or some proprietary stuff code but > cannot be shiped as xmms is shiped without mp3 support ? With xvid and few 100% legaly clean stuff ? XviD and DivX both implement MPEG-4. http://mpegla.com/mpeg4s/m4s_patentlist.html From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Sep 4 20:37:12 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:37:12 -0400 Subject: a bit of a newbie question on the linux database. Message-ID: <200309041637.12766.elwoo@videotron.ca> I was searching the system for a *.db file, but I guess I'm way off course.... *Where* does one find the database of available printers, mice, monitors, etd. that redhat-config-* uses? TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alan at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 20:50:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: a bit of a newbie question on the linux database. In-Reply-To: <200309041637.12766.elwoo@videotron.ca> from "Elton Woo" at Med 04, 2003 04:37:12 Message-ID: <200309042050.h84Ko8w06973@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I was searching the system for a *.db file, but I guess I'm way off course.... > *Where* does one find the database of available printers, mice, monitors, > etd. that redhat-config-* uses? Various places like kudzu and foomatic. A neat trick btw (and I admit better docs would be a much neater trick!) is strace -eopen appname and it will list the files it opens From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Thu Sep 4 20:53:57 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:53:57 +0200 Subject: no ... *really* ... any ETA for updated beta? In-Reply-To: <20030904150627.A5751@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F57637B.28585.7DC629@localhost>; from leonardjo@hetnet.nl on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:08:27PM +0200 Message-ID: <3F57C285.647.1733AE@localhost> Hi Michael, > AFAIK the main difference is that they are pushed out at different > times and so won't necessarily be in perfect sync with each other. > They are based on the same stream of packages. What would be the delay between the package being available via RHN and Rawhide (ftp) (I presume RHN comes first)? Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 21:42:35 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: no ... *really* ... any ETA for updated beta? In-Reply-To: <3F57C285.647.1733AE@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > > AFAIK the main difference is that they are pushed out at different > > times and so won't necessarily be in perfect sync with each other. > > They are based on the same stream of packages. > > What would be the delay between the package being available via RHN and > Rawhide (ftp) (I presume RHN comes first)? Rawhide FTP happens around 5am eastern time. RHN push happens anytime between 6am and noon. -- Elliot For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe. From garrett at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 21:56:02 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:56:02 -0400 Subject: Uglified Icons In-Reply-To: <3F4E7B1F.6060608@earthlink.net> References: <3F4E7B1F.6060608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F57B4F2.1000308@redhat.com> Gerry Tool wrote: > Since an upgrade to rawhide, some of my icons have turned ugly (dark > black borders), particularly in the Gnome Action menu (Menu Panel) and > on the KDE panel. The ones that have the dark border are typically > the newer redhat artwork. > > Are others experiencing this? Is this a designed "new look", or an > artifact of incomplete design? > > Gerry Do you have a screenshot or a bug number (with a screenshot)? Thanks, Garrett From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Sep 4 22:07:06 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:07:06 -0400 Subject: a bit of a newbie question on the linux database. In-Reply-To: <200309042050.h84Ko8w06973@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309042050.h84Ko8w06973@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309041807.06973.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 4, 2003 04:50 pm, Alan Cox Alan Cox wrote: > > I was searching the system for a *.db file, but I guess I'm way off > > course.... *Where* does one find the database of available printers, > > mice, monitors, etd. that redhat-config-* uses? > > Various places like kudzu and foomatic. > > A neat trick btw (and I admit better docs would be a much neater trick!) > is > > strace -eopen appname > > and it will list the files it opens More to the point, I wanted to make a hardcopy print the hardware list. TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From olafura at hi.is Thu Sep 4 22:17:26 2003 From: olafura at hi.is (olafura at hi.is) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:17:26 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Crash at startup Message-ID: <3203.130.208.165.5.1062713846.squirrel@webmail.hi.is> I got this message when starting Redhat 9.098. I tryed installing it again but but I got the same message again. I tryed pressing I to enter interactive startup but I cant seem to turn this of and I cant use my computer. It takes for ever to install because my cdrom is alwayes choking, but thats a diffrent matter and has notting to do with the kernel. Here is the what i could scribble down: Starting pcmcia: PCI: Enabling device 00:0b (0000 -> 0002) PCI: No IRQ known for interuption A of device 00:0b.0 -using IRQ 255 PCI: Enabling device 00:0b (0000 -> 0002) PCI: No IRQ known for interuption B of device 00:0b.0 -using IRQ 255 Yenta IRQ list 04b8, PCI irq 0 socket status: 30000007 I could possible use tomsrtbt but I dont know what I'm looking for. Olafur Arason From alan at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 22:25:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Crash at startup In-Reply-To: <3203.130.208.165.5.1062713846.squirrel@webmail.hi.is> from "olafura@hi.is" at Med 04, 2003 10:17:26 Message-ID: <200309042225.h84MPcX24709@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Starting pcmcia: PCI: Enabling device 00:0b (0000 -> 0002) > PCI: No IRQ known for interuption A of device 00:0b.0 -using IRQ 255 > PCI: Enabling device 00:0b (0000 -> 0002) > PCI: No IRQ known for interuption B of device 00:0b.0 -using IRQ 255 > Yenta IRQ list 04b8, PCI irq 0 socket status: 30000007 Can you try booting with the option "acpi=off" and let me know what happens From kylem at xwell.org Thu Sep 4 22:30:22 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:30:22 -0500 Subject: PPPoE connections with new Raw Hide kernel? Message-ID: <1062714622.6797.0.camel@lando> Are PPPoE connections working for anyone else with the new 2.4.22 Raw Hide kernel? Works fine in the 2.4.21 Severn kernel, but not when I boot the newer one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103788 -- Kyle Maxwell From olafura at hi.is Thu Sep 4 22:47:56 2003 From: olafura at hi.is (olafura at hi.is) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:47:56 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Crash at startup In-Reply-To: <200309042225.h84MPcX24709@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3203.130.208.165.5.1062713846.squirrel@webmail.hi.is> from "olafura@hi.is" at Med 04, 2003 10:17:26 <200309042225.h84MPcX24709@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <2184.130.208.165.5.1062715676.squirrel@webmail.hi.is> >> Starting pcmcia: PCI: Enabling device 00:0b (0000 -> 0002) >> PCI: No IRQ known for interuption A of device 00:0b.0 -using IRQ 255 >> PCI: Enabling device 00:0b (0000 -> 0002) >> PCI: No IRQ known for interuption B of device 00:0b.0 -using IRQ 255 >> Yenta IRQ list 04b8, PCI irq 0 socket status: 30000007 > > Can you try booting with the option "acpi=off" and let me know what > happens > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > It worked thank you. From alan at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 22:57:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Crash at startup In-Reply-To: <2184.130.208.165.5.1062715676.squirrel@webmail.hi.is> from "olafura@hi.is" at Med 04, 2003 10:47:56 Message-ID: <200309042257.h84Mv9f08418@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > It worked thank you. Cool, can you also send a bug report to acpi-devel at lists.sourceforge.net giving your rough hardware details and the report you provided here that will reach the main acpi developers at Intel and others who work on it. If you aren't sure what hardware details to include the output of lspci -v is a good start. Alan From mark at mark.mielke.cc Thu Sep 4 14:59:26 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:59:26 -0400 Subject: Would busybox be more valuable, statically linked? Message-ID: <20030904145926.GA12888@mark.mielke.cc> Like /sbin/sash, wouldn't /sbin/busybox be more valuable if it were statically linked? Of course, I am mostly thinking about init=/sbin/busybox as a kernel option to aid during recovery in cases where /sbin/sash does not provide enough functionality... :-) Cheers, mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Sep 5 01:39:41 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:39:41 -0500 Subject: Uglified Icons In-Reply-To: <3F57B4F2.1000308@redhat.com> References: <3F4E7B1F.6060608@earthlink.net> <3F57B4F2.1000308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F57E95D.2080605@earthlink.net> Garrett LeSage wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote: > >> Since an upgrade to rawhide, some of my icons have turned ugly (dark >> black borders), particularly in the Gnome Action menu (Menu Panel) and >> on the KDE panel. The ones that have the dark border are typically >> the newer redhat artwork. >> >> Gerry > Do you have a screenshot or a bug number (with a screenshot)? > I've wiped my servern install clean since a number of things quit working correctly after some updates. I'm now exploring taroon and waiting for the second severn beta to continue with severn. Gerry From mark at mitre.org Fri Sep 5 03:03:19 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (heslep) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:03:19 -0400 Subject: 2.6.0-test1 kernel? gcc 3.3 compiler? In-Reply-To: <1059084902.8656.16.camel@ws.1sttier.net> References: <1059084902.8656.16.camel@ws.1sttier.net> Message-ID: <1062730999.7844.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 18:15, Nathan G. Grennan wrote: > > I upgraded to the 2.6.0-test1 and I had a very annoying issue with USB > not working. I ended up tracking it down to a change in the name of the > USB1 module. I also had to take settings from /etc/modules.conf to > /etc/modprobe.conf This was especially annoying since I use a USB > keyboard and USB mouse. I do have USB legacy support turned on in the > bios, but the USB keyboard didn't work till I plugged in a PS/2 > keyboard. The really funny thing was I would hit numlock on the USB > keyboard and it would change the led on the PS/2 keyboard. > > On the same topic USB keyboard and mouse support need to be compiled in > like PS/2 support. Loading USB modules in rc.sysinit a very poor > substitute. Grub also needs native USB support. Currently it only works > with USB legacy support turned on in the bios. > > Im having the same problem with USB mouse and keyboard. They are both dead on boot with Arjan's 2.6.0 (test 4 now) though all works fine with the 2.4.21.20...nptl kernel. Ran the /sbin/generate-modprobe-conf script and still nothing. Could someone be more specific with the name problem Nathan reports? In 2.6 I show the keyboard and mouse (Input Device Drivers) compiled into the kernel but USB_KBD and USB_MOUSE are not set. So which module needs to be renamed? Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- On a Dell Precision 650 Xeon: rpm -q initscripts kernel kernel-unsupported modutils mkinitrd && uname -r initscripts-7.30-1 kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.1.32 kernel-unsupported-2.6.0-0.test4.1.32 modutils-2.4.25-8 mkinitrd-3.5.11-2 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl cat /etc/modules.conf alias eth0 e1000 alias scsi_hostadapter mptbase alias scsi_hostadapter1 mptscsih alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias usb-controller1 ehci-hcd alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 alias sound-slot-0 i810_audio post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From pgunn at dachte.org Fri Sep 5 04:45:34 2003 From: pgunn at dachte.org (Pat Gunn) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:45:34 -0500 Subject: Missing files! Message-ID: <200309050345.h853jYSp006202@dachte.org> Hey, in the latest updates, baaaad things are bothering me. >From the kernel, I find that my network card, which had a module in 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl (bcm4400.o) lacks that module in 2.4.22-20-1.2024.2.36.nptl I also find that the latest version of vorbis-tools removed(!!) ogg123. I don't think it was intentional -- the docs still mention ogg123 being in there. Anyhow, if we could have a new vorbis-tools and a new kernel package with all that stuff back in there, that'd be a very good thing. --- Pat Gunn mod: csna, bmcm, bmco, cooa, cona, clpd comod: coom http://dachte.org "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." --Italian Proverb From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 03:54:03 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:54:03 -0400 Subject: Missing files! In-Reply-To: <200309050345.h853jYSp006202@dachte.org>; from pgunn@dachte.org on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:45:34PM -0500 References: <200309050345.h853jYSp006202@dachte.org> Message-ID: <20030904235403.B28775@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Pat Gunn (pgunn at dachte.org) said: > in the latest updates, baaaad things are bothering me. > >From the kernel, I find that my network card, which had a module > in 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl (bcm4400.o) lacks > that module in 2.4.22-20-1.2024.2.36.nptl Try the b44 module. > I also find that the latest version of vorbis-tools removed(!!) ogg123. > I don't think it was intentional -- the docs still mention ogg123 being > in there. Eeep. Will fix, file in bugzilla to nag me. :) Bill From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Sep 5 05:40:05 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:40:05 +0300 Subject: gnome clock applet always displays time in UTC In-Reply-To: <3F5772DC.7050104@coresma.com> References: <3F5772DC.7050104@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1062740405.3f5821b516aba@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Pavel Rosenboim : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi. > > I'm running severn updated to latest rawhide. Clock applet in gnome > always displays time in UTC. My time zone set correctly, and date > command displays time correctly. Anyone else experienced this behavior? At least on RH9 the clock applet has it's own setting for viewing time in UTC or not - maybe the default has changed in rawhide or ..? -- - Panu - From ben at reddleman.org Fri Sep 5 13:29:58 2003 From: ben at reddleman.org (Benjamin Peter) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:29:58 +0000 Subject: disabling graphics adapter probing in severn Message-ID: <20030905132958.3B6122CE9B7@pima.hostsharing.net> Hi, is there a way to disable the automatic probing in the server install and use vesa instead? My Asus Laptop has a ATI Radeon 9000 chip built in, and although that is correctly recognized, I get strange behaviour: - anaconda tries to start the X server - the screen goes black - switching back to Console 1 shows that anaconda assumes that X is up - looking into X.log shows that it has not: it fails to load the modules "glx" and "record" Any ideas? I tried all the options in the help screens, including 'noprobe' and skipddc -- without any improvement. A text install works, but upon starting 'firstboot', the machine hangs. Cheers, Ben From phil-ml at techworks.ie Fri Sep 5 13:50:03 2003 From: phil-ml at techworks.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:50:03 +0100 Subject: disabling graphics adapter probing in severn In-Reply-To: <20030905132958.3B6122CE9B7@pima.hostsharing.net> References: <20030905132958.3B6122CE9B7@pima.hostsharing.net> Message-ID: <1062769803.3274.29.camel@unagi.internal.techworks.ie> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 14:29, Benjamin Peter wrote: > Any ideas? I tried all the options in the help screens, including 'noprobe' > and skipddc -- without any improvement. Try pressing CTRL-ALT + or CTRL-ALT - when X comes up in install. Has happened to me once. Phil From VANCOD at PIOS.com Fri Sep 5 13:56:06 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:56:06 -0400 Subject: up2date rpm signiture in beta chanel (i imported beta key ..) . Message-ID: Elliot Lee wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Balint Cristian wrote: > >> I subscribed to severn beta updates subchanel, but up2date always >> bug me that rpm package is not signed .... >> >> I already do: >> rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY" >> >> and the same bugging is happen ... >> >> wrong key ? > > You need to import the rawhide key. You can download it from > http://www.redhat.com/security/e418e3aa.txt or find it > inside the redhat-release package that is in the updates subchannel. Hmmmm. Nope - this doesn't fix the bad ID error for me either.... Don From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 5 14:34:15 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:34:15 -0400 Subject: gnome clock applet always displays time in UTC In-Reply-To: <1062740405.3f5821b516aba@webmail.welho.com> References: <3F5772DC.7050104@coresma.com> <1062740405.3f5821b516aba@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <200309051034.16144.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 5, 2003 01:40 am, Panu Matilainen Panu Matilainen wrote: > Quoting Pavel Rosenboim : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi. > > > > I'm running severn updated to latest rawhide. Clock applet in gnome > > always displays time in UTC. My time zone set correctly, and date > > command displays time correctly. Anyone else experienced this behavior? > > At least on RH9 the clock applet has it's own setting for viewing time in > UTC or not - maybe the default has changed in rawhide or ..? No. Just RMB click on the applet and change the Preferences to 12 h, 24 h, or UTC. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From cymon at duke.edu Fri Sep 5 16:14:57 2003 From: cymon at duke.edu (Cymon Cox) Date: 05 Sep 2003 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: Uglified Icons In-Reply-To: <3F57B4F2.1000308@redhat.com> References: <3F4E7B1F.6060608@earthlink.net> <3F57B4F2.1000308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062778497.6665.1.camel@isis.biology.duke.edu> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:56, Garrett LeSage wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote: > > > Since an upgrade to rawhide, some of my icons have turned ugly (dark > > black borders), particularly in the Gnome Action menu (Menu Panel) and > > on the KDE panel. The ones that have the dark border are typically > > the newer redhat artwork. > > > > Are others experiencing this? Is this a designed "new look", or an > > artifact of incomplete design? > > > > Gerry > > > Do you have a screenshot or a bug number (with a screenshot)? I had the same icon problem but the latest rawhide releases have corrected it. Cheers, Cymon. > > Thanks, > Garrett > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- ___________________________________________________ Cymon J. Cox Research Associate Department of Biology Duke University Durham NC 27708 Phone: (919) 660-7370 ___________________________________________________ From steve at rueb.com Fri Sep 5 19:41:02 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:41:02 -0500 Subject: Preferred way to report bugs that affect multiple RHL versions? Message-ID: <1062790862.6456.4.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Hi, I just reported a problem with the stock ticker applet. Basically, it looks like yahoo may have changed their format. I reported it for RH9, but it affects rawhide and probably all other versions with stock ticker as well. What is the preferred way to report a bug like this. Bugzilla does not allow selection of both RawHide and RedHat Linux, but duplicate bug reports don't really make sense in this case. Thanks, Steve Bergman From hoyt at cavtel.net Fri Sep 5 19:58:22 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:58:22 -0400 Subject: Preferred way to report bugs that affect multiple RHL versions? In-Reply-To: <1062790862.6456.4.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1062790862.6456.4.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <200309051558.22097.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Friday 05 September 2003 03:41 pm, Steve Bergman wrote: > I just reported a problem with the stock ticker applet. Basically, it > looks like yahoo may have changed their format. I would file it upstream as it's not an really app maintained by Red Hat, is it? -- Hoyt From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 19:59:47 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:59:47 -0400 Subject: Preferred way to report bugs that affect multiple RHL versions? In-Reply-To: <1062790862.6456.4.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1062790862.6456.4.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1062791987.19086.115.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 15:41, Steve Bergman wrote: > Hi, > > I just reported a problem with the stock ticker applet. Basically, it > looks like yahoo may have changed their format. I reported it for RH9, > but it affects rawhide and probably all other versions with stock ticker > as well. > > What is the preferred way to report a bug like this. Bugzilla does not > allow selection of both RawHide and RedHat Linux, but duplicate bug > reports don't really make sense in this case. I'd just pick a version at random and mention in the body of the bug report that it affects other versions. I don't think most developers here pay that much attention to the version for bug reports ... I certainly don't, anyways. The important factors are: A) Does it still affect the development version? B) Is it important enough to consider doing an errata for? B') If so, does it affect old released versions? Since the answer to B) is almost always "no", the B') seldom matters. Regards, Owen [ I'm afraid our response to this bug is probably, at best, going to be to remove gtik from our packaging. ] From VANCOD at PIOS.com Fri Sep 5 20:22:06 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:22:06 -0400 Subject: cyclical dependencies? Message-ID: Freshly installed severn patched up2date / SSL cert, subscribed to beta updates config up2date for d/l only; download via "up2date -u" fix a few minor dependencies (tzdata for glibc-common, gtksourceview for gedit) - up2date pulled the files but my "-Fvh" doesn't cover installing what's not present then: [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -Fvh *.rpm error: Failed dependencies: redhat-config-securitylevel-tui is needed by redhat-config-securitylevel-1.2.3-1 [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /usr/sbin/lokkit from install of redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1 conflicts with file from package lokkit-0.50-24.1 [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -e lokkit error: Failed dependencies: lokkit is needed by (installed) redhat-config-securitylevel-1.1.3-1 ...so - is this fairly expected? Had I not set up2date to download only would these packages have been installed / removed as required? Don From hans at deragon.biz Fri Sep 5 20:41:10 2003 From: hans at deragon.biz (Hans Deragon) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:41:10 -0400 Subject: Preferred way to report bugs that affect multiple RHL versions? In-Reply-To: <200309051558.22097.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1062790862.6456.4.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <200309051558.22097.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <3F58F4E6.1030309@deragon.biz> HoytDuff wrote: > On Friday 05 September 2003 03:41 pm, Steve Bergman wrote: > >>I just reported a problem with the stock ticker applet. Basically, it >>looks like yahoo may have changed their format. > > > I would file it upstream as it's not an really app maintained by Red Hat, is > it? > Yahoo did change its format today. I noticed it when I looked up my stocks. You are somewhat right about flaging the problem upstream, but Red Hat should be made aware of the problem. If the applet is broken, should it still be part of the next release? Should it be removed? RHL release should not be blocked by a faulty applet, but it tarnishes the image of RHL when installed applets installed. Then again, the author might fix the applet 2 weeks after the new RHL was released. The fixed rpm could then be made available. It would be sad if an applet which might be usefull for many would be missing in a version only because of it was broked for a couple of weeks, because of bad timing. What is the policy of Red Hat regarding this issue? Best regards, Hans Deragon -- Consultant en informatique/Software Consultant Deragon Informatique inc. Open source: http://www.deragon.biz http://swtmvcwrapper.sourceforge.net mailto://hans at deragon.biz http://autopoweroff.sourceforge.net From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 20:44:58 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Preferred way to report bugs that affect multiple RHL versions? In-Reply-To: <3F58F4E6.1030309@deragon.biz> from "Hans Deragon" at Med 05, 2003 04:41:10 Message-ID: <200309052044.h85Kiw202709@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > You are somewhat right about flaging the problem upstream, but Red Hat should be > made aware of the problem. If the applet is broken, should it still be part of > the next release? Should it be removed? RHL release should not be blocked by a > faulty applet, but it tarnishes the image of RHL when installed applets > installed. Then again, the author might fix the applet 2 weeks after the new > RHL was released. The fixed rpm could then be made available. It would be sad > if an applet which might be usefull for many would be missing in a version only > because of it was broked for a couple of weeks, because of bad timing. > > What is the policy of Red Hat regarding this issue? File the bug against the most recent affected Red Hat is my suggestion and do mention its in older ones. Also if its a gnome applet gnome-bugzilla would be good because 2.4 is about to freeze.. From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 20:55:49 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:55:49 -0400 Subject: cyclical dependencies? In-Reply-To: ; from VANCOD@PIOS.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:22:06PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20030905165549.B3860@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Vanco, Donald (VANCOD at PIOS.com) said: > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh > redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1.i386.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > file /usr/sbin/lokkit from install of > redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1 conflicts with file from package > lokkit-0.50-24.1 Upgrade, not install. r-c-s-tui obsoletes lokkit. Bill From VANCOD at PIOS.com Fri Sep 5 21:20:42 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:20:42 -0400 Subject: severn up2date oddities (was RE: cyclical dependencies?) Message-ID: Bill Nottingham wrote: > Vanco, Donald (VANCOD at PIOS.com) said: >> [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh >> redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1.i386.rpm >> Preparing... > ########################################### >> [100%] >> file /usr/sbin/lokkit from install of >> redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1 conflicts with file from >> package lokkit-0.50-24.1 > > Upgrade, not install. r-c-s-tui obsoletes lokkit. Ah - makes sense. So - after upgrading 264 packages I rebooted. Interesting things of note: In GRUB menu, the UP kernel is now first with the SMP kernel second - they were reversed prior to up2date. Upon first boot kudzu hung the system (as far as I could tell - console not responsive for many minutes) so I (hard) rebooted with "interactive" mode skipping kudzu. This got me into the system. Upon second boot I got INIT: Entering runlevel: 3 followed immediately by: open (/dev/console) Input/output error ...and init quits. ctrl-alt-del functions to reboot system (methinks kb/mouse config got garbled somehow?) Third boot - kudzu now wants to remove "keyboard unknown"..... Fourth boot - back to "normal" I did not move the positions of any USB devices in this process. System: Shuttle i865 based "XPC" system (includes graphics and AC97 sound) 2.4GHz P4 (800MHz FSB, HT enabled) 1/2GB 400MHz DDR Serial ATA HD (with 8MB buffer - syncs seem to take a long time; for some reason smartd does not do anything to this drive - just the floppy?) USB KB & Mouse USB digital media reader USB floppy (not attached during any of this) ...don't know that anything here is particularly noteworthy, just passing this on as it seems a bit messy.. Don From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Fri Sep 5 21:39:20 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:39:20 -0500 Subject: severn up2date oddities (was RE: cyclical dependencies?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062797960.5475.8.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:20, Vanco, Donald wrote: > Shuttle i865 based "XPC" system (includes graphics and AC97 sound) > 2.4GHz P4 (800MHz FSB, HT enabled) > 1/2GB 400MHz DDR > Serial ATA HD (with 8MB buffer - syncs seem to take a long time; for some > reason smartd does not do anything to this drive - just the floppy?) > USB KB & Mouse > USB digital media reader > USB floppy (not attached during any of this) > > ...don't know that anything here is particularly noteworthy, just > passing this on as it seems a bit messy.. FYI... I have a Shuttle SN41G2 Athlon XP, ps/2 keyboard and mouse, no floppy. Booting from the Severn Beta 1 iso hangs at /sbin/loader I had previously been running RH9. Installing from Taroon Beta2 iso went fine but cannot get X running reliably...keeps dying. I first tried the generic nvidia gforce 4 mx driver from the iso and then tried the nvidia-4363 driver from nvidia's website. The nvidia driver was absolutely no good...locks up the whole machine. I am using an nvnet driver rpm that I had downloaded from nvidia a few months ago to enable the built-in ethernet nic. Glad I kept that rpm around. From jphillips at amphus.com Fri Sep 5 22:03:14 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:03:14 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support Message-ID: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> Hopefully now that Red Hat has cleared up the issue between their enterprise line and their "community" product, they will reintroduce more out-of-the-box multimedia support in their community line (RH10 for example). For example, I hope Red Hat 10 includes a good movie player -- like Totem from Gnome 2.4. One of the worst experiences for me was trying to setup mplayer on RH9. It still doesn't work right. I get skins errors, and the codecs didn't get setup right, and I had lib problems when compiling from source. Just a plain pain in the butt. In RH10, here's what I'd hope for--a pre-packaged movie player that works perfectly on it's own. And, an unofficial RPM that automatically installs all of the codecs that I could ever possibly want. Imagine that. If all I had to do was "rpm -ivh codecs.rpm" and my movie player was up and running with support for all the formats that I could ever want to play. Anyway, I hope RH addresses more multimedia issues in RH10. I was able to get xmms working well with the mp3 RPM from gurulabs, so I'm happy about that. But the xmms front-end could use a bit of work in my opinion. Maybe it needs to be HIG-ified or something, but it's not a really intuitive interface if you ask me. It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm not shy of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get plugins installed. Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to a site that has java or flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts you to automatically install the software. I don't see why Red Hat can't accomplish this with the browsers they bundle in their distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Fri Sep 5 22:00:15 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:00:15 -0500 Subject: Paint Problems Message-ID: <1062799215.5475.22.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Has anybody else seen the following behavior? When I maximize any given window for the first time, I get a minor paint problem. The title bar and min/max/close buttons are offset slightly left from where they should be, and a narrow grey area exists along the right side of the screen from top to bottom. I cannot send a screenshot because the act of taking a screenshot corrects the problem. Clicking unmaximize and then maximize also fixes the problem. I am running Severn + up2date against latest RHN. snippets: metacity-2.5.3-2 Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "radeon" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "ATI Radeon Mobility M6" VideoRam 16384 EndSection uname -a: Linux vaio 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl #1 Wed Sep 3 10:53:22 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux From hosting at j2solutions.net Fri Sep 5 22:20:23 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:20:23 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> Message-ID: <200309051520.23382.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Friday 05 September 2003 15:03, Joseph Phillips wrote: > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm > not shy of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get > plugins installed. Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to > a site that has java or flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts > you to automatically install the software. I don't see why Red Hat > can't accomplish this with the browsers they bundle in their > distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). Because of the EULA you must agree to prior to installing said plugins. It's not legal for Red Hat to distribute said plugins. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From jphillips at amphus.com Fri Sep 5 22:34:57 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 05 Sep 2003 15:34:57 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309051520.23382.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <200309051520.23382.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1062801296.13020.67.camel@hawk> No, I'm not saying that Red Hat should distribute the plugins. I'm just saying that they should be plugin friendly. I'm asking for Red Hat to engineer an easy way for the user to install the plugins. Not to be flippant, but when I think of the word "plugin", an image comes to mind of a simple process of easily inserting an object into a larger object. But with the way it works in RH9, it's more like "hackin". Regular users shouldn't have to drop to a console, perform esoteric soft links commands to a lib directory that is buried somewhere deep in the system directory structure. I'm not an engineer, so I don't have any specific engineering suggestions to solve the problem. But, anyhow, one of my ideas is to have maybe a "plugin manager" that automatically performs the process of downloading and installing the plugins, all based on a GUI wizard. Or, have the wizard built-in to the browser, so when the user goes to a site with java/flash, a pop-up dialog (ala IE) appears and walks the user through downloading and installing. If you take all of the, say, top 5 supported plugins, well I'm sure there are standard download locations for each of them (plus a few mirrors as well). So the wizard could query each of the download mirrors to see which one is available (or which one is the fastest). I don't know though, maybe that's illegal to do, or maybe it requires some legal process that Red Hat doesn't want to involve itself in. On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 15:20, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 05 September 2003 15:03, Joseph Phillips wrote: > > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm > > not shy of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get > > plugins installed. Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to > > a site that has java or flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts > > you to automatically install the software. I don't see why Red Hat > > can't accomplish this with the browsers they bundle in their > > distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). > > Because of the EULA you must agree to prior to installing said plugins. > It's not legal for Red Hat to distribute said plugins. From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 22:42:20 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> from "Joseph Phillips" at Med 05, 2003 03:03:14 Message-ID: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm not shy > of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get plugins installed. > Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to a site that has java or > flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts you to automatically install the > software. I don't see why Red Hat can't accomplish this with the browsers > they bundle in their distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). I'm sure they take patches From jphillips at amphus.com Fri Sep 5 22:56:16 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 05 Sep 2003 15:56:16 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062802575.13020.79.camel@hawk> Like I said, I'm not a software engineer. I do software QA for a living, so I'm an expert at criticizing without being able to actually fix anything myself. Look, this is just a post from a regular user. And I'm just broadcasting some criticisms and some hopes that Red Hat reverses course on their apparent abandonment of multimedia support. I realize that "multimedia" is one of those areas that is very bound up in legal restrictions. But even so, Red Hat shouldn't abandon it's users to a source-compiled mplayer, an xmms that looks like a front-piece from a 1970's Kenwood receiver, or plugins that should more aptly be called "hackins". Yes yes, I know. All opinions and no ability to submit patches. My deepest apologies! ;) PS. (Now how about a substantive response? Thanks.) On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 15:42, Alan Cox wrote: > > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm not shy > > of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get plugins installed. > > Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to a site that has java or > > flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts you to automatically install the > > software. I don't see why Red Hat can't accomplish this with the browsers > > they bundle in their distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). > > I'm sure they take patches > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 23:02:44 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062802575.13020.79.camel@hawk> from "Joseph Phillips" at Med 05, 2003 03:56:16 Message-ID: <200309052302.h85N2iw05322@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Look, this is just a post from a regular user. And I'm just > broadcasting some criticisms and some hopes that Red Hat reverses course > on their apparent abandonment of multimedia support. Its not been a case of abandoning multimedia > I realize that "multimedia" is one of those areas that is very bound up > in legal restrictions. But even so, Red Hat shouldn't abandon it's > users to a source-compiled mplayer, an xmms that looks like a > front-piece from a 1970's Kenwood receiver, or plugins that should more > aptly be called "hackins". gstreamer has a pretty good plugin framework. Hopefully third parties will fill the holes either freely for those countries that can be, or by offering payware products for the others. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Sep 5 23:08:07 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:08:07 +0200 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> Message-ID: <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:03:14 -0700, Joseph Phillips wrote: > One of the worst experiences for me was trying to setup mplayer on RH9. It > still doesn't work right. I get skins errors, and the codecs didn't get > setup right, and I had lib problems when compiling from source. Just a plain > pain in the butt. Have you tried the prebuilt mplayer packages and other movie players from Fedora Linux before? http://www.fedora.us > Like I said, I'm not a software engineer. I do software QA for a > living, so I'm an expert at criticizing without being able to actually > fix anything myself. Sounds good. Fedora gives users the chance to submit and track bugs reports via Bugzilla (http://bugzilla.fedora.us). - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WRdX0iMVcrivHFQRAt7dAJ4zIRlLefcSrAnXfBmiQYemDKmzawCffWhd NcJvJDTlNZsnLRwBKGsbYfM= =RyWR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Fri Sep 5 23:08:57 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:08:57 -0500 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062803337.5678.7.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> > > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm not shy > > of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get plugins installed. > > Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to a site that has java or > > flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts you to automatically install the > > software. I don't see why Red Hat can't accomplish this with the browsers > > they bundle in their distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). What happens when the user is not an admin on their win2k box? Maybe it works, and maybe it doesn't. What if the user is actually on a thin client (RDP or ICA)? From much experience I can assure you that it doesn't work in that case. Instead, the user gets frustrated that the "easy IE way" simply doesn't meet their needs. The user then complains to everybody around them that the system is broken because it didn't let them do something. Don't get me wrong: I'm not arguing against simplicity. Quite the contrary, I love simple (i.e., graceful, elegant) solutions. Unfortunately, the IE way has severe limitations once you get outside of the consumer market. From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 5 23:16:44 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:16:44 -0400 Subject: evolution binary size Message-ID: <1062803804.2524.8.camel@tiger> Anyone know why evolution-1.4.4-3 was 9914260 bites and evolution-1.4.4-5 from rawhide is 28103054 bites? --Lou From jphillips at amphus.com Fri Sep 5 23:17:45 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 05 Sep 2003 16:17:45 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062803337.5678.7.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1062803337.5678.7.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1062803865.13020.88.camel@hawk> You raise a good point. In Windows, if the user is not logged in with a regular user account, the plugin installation would not work. But Red Hat is more sophisticated, since, before proceeding with the plugin installation, it could prompt the user for the root password. This ability already exists in Red Hat. For example, if I load up the redhat-config-date program as a regular user, then Red Hat prompts me with a dialogue that explains that administrative privileges are required, and that in order to proceed I must supply the root password. On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:08, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm not shy > > > of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get plugins installed. > > > Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to a site that has java or > > > flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts you to automatically install the > > > software. I don't see why Red Hat can't accomplish this with the browsers > > > they bundle in their distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). > > What happens when the user is not an admin on their win2k box? Maybe it > works, and maybe it doesn't. What if the user is actually on a thin > client (RDP or ICA)? From much experience I can assure you that it > doesn't work in that case. Instead, the user gets frustrated that the > "easy IE way" simply doesn't meet their needs. The user then complains > to everybody around them that the system is broken because it didn't let > them do something. > > Don't get me wrong: I'm not arguing against simplicity. Quite the > contrary, I love simple (i.e., graceful, elegant) solutions. > > Unfortunately, the IE way has severe limitations once you get outside of > the consumer market. > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From jphillips at amphus.com Fri Sep 5 23:20:24 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 05 Sep 2003 16:20:24 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062803865.13020.88.camel@hawk> References: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1062803337.5678.7.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1062803865.13020.88.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <1062804023.13020.91.camel@hawk> Meant to say, "In Windows, if the user IS logged in with a regular user account, the plugin installation would not work." On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:17, Joseph Phillips wrote: > You raise a good point. In Windows, if the user is not logged in with a > regular user account, the plugin installation would not work. > > But Red Hat is more sophisticated, since, before proceeding with the > plugin installation, it could prompt the user for the root password. > > This ability already exists in Red Hat. For example, if I load up the > redhat-config-date program as a regular user, then Red Hat prompts me > with a dialogue that explains that administrative privileges are > required, and that in order to proceed I must supply the root password. > > On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:08, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm not shy > > > > of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get plugins installed. > > > > Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to a site that has java or > > > > flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts you to automatically install the > > > > software. I don't see why Red Hat can't accomplish this with the browsers > > > > they bundle in their distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). > > > > What happens when the user is not an admin on their win2k box? Maybe it > > works, and maybe it doesn't. What if the user is actually on a thin > > client (RDP or ICA)? From much experience I can assure you that it > > doesn't work in that case. Instead, the user gets frustrated that the > > "easy IE way" simply doesn't meet their needs. The user then complains > > to everybody around them that the system is broken because it didn't let > > them do something. > > > > Don't get me wrong: I'm not arguing against simplicity. Quite the > > contrary, I love simple (i.e., graceful, elegant) solutions. > > > > Unfortunately, the IE way has severe limitations once you get outside of > > the consumer market. > > > > > > -- > > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 5 23:44:56 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062803337.5678.7.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> from "Paul Morgan" at Med 05, 2003 06:08:57 Message-ID: <200309052344.h85Niuj20391@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Don't get me wrong: I'm not arguing against simplicity. Quite the > contrary, I love simple (i.e., graceful, elegant) solutions. > > Unfortunately, the IE way has severe limitations once you get outside of > the consumer market. The "you must be administrator" approach is actually clearly right for web plugins. What exactly is a "plugin", its a random chunk of binary code handed to someone from a random web site which may or may not be the one you thought, may be compromised, may be buggy, may violate company policy and so on. The "click to infect your computer" world has to end. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sat Sep 6 00:04:09 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:04:09 -0500 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062804023.13020.91.camel@hawk> References: <200309052242.h85MgK729742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1062803337.5678.7.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1062803865.13020.88.camel@hawk> <1062804023.13020.91.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <1062806648.7392.9.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 18:20, Joseph Phillips wrote: > Meant to say, "In Windows, if the user IS logged in with a regular user > account, the plugin installation would not work." > > On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:17, Joseph Phillips wrote: > > You raise a good point. In Windows, if the user is not logged in with a > > regular user account, the plugin installation would not work. > > > > But Red Hat is more sophisticated, since, before proceeding with the > > plugin installation, it could prompt the user for the root password. That's one of the many reasons I use RHL . I believe the issue goes deeper, though, than simply prompting for a root password. Surprises like the popups in IE leave the user wondering why he/she cannot have the root password or make it work. My experience is that INSTALL POPUPS ARE BAD, no matter how they're implemented. My sincerest hope is that the fine folks at RH continue their steady improvements to RHL without falling into design traps that have short-term payoffs but long-term headaches. Those of us in the user/sysadmin/consultant communities must continue to discuss these issues as always to ensure that compromises do not cause loss of design elegance. Windows has a lot of cool features, but it has a lot of hidden closets, too. Who knows what lurks therein? > > > > This ability already exists in Red Hat. For example, if I load up the > > redhat-config-date program as a regular user, then Red Hat prompts me > > with a dialogue that explains that administrative privileges are > > required, and that in order to proceed I must supply the root password. > > > > On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:08, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > > > It's the same issue with Java and flash player for the browser. I'm not shy > > > > > of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get plugins installed. > > > > > Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to a site that has java or > > > > > flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts you to automatically install the > > > > > software. I don't see why Red Hat can't accomplish this with the browsers > > > > > they bundle in their distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). > > > > > > What happens when the user is not an admin on their win2k box? Maybe it > > > works, and maybe it doesn't. What if the user is actually on a thin > > > client (RDP or ICA)? From much experience I can assure you that it > > > doesn't work in that case. Instead, the user gets frustrated that the > > > "easy IE way" simply doesn't meet their needs. The user then complains > > > to everybody around them that the system is broken because it didn't let > > > them do something. > > > > > > Don't get me wrong: I'm not arguing against simplicity. Quite the > > > contrary, I love simple (i.e., graceful, elegant) solutions. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the IE way has severe limitations once you get outside of > > > the consumer market. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > > > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sat Sep 6 00:10:50 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:10:50 -0500 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309052344.h85Niuj20391@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309052344.h85Niuj20391@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062807050.7392.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 18:44, Alan Cox wrote: > > Don't get me wrong: I'm not arguing against simplicity. Quite the > > contrary, I love simple (i.e., graceful, elegant) solutions. > > > > Unfortunately, the IE way has severe limitations once you get outside of > > the consumer market. > > The "you must be administrator" approach is actually clearly right for web > plugins. What exactly is a "plugin", its a random chunk of binary code > handed to someone from a random web site which may or may not be the > one you thought, may be compromised, may be buggy, may violate company > policy and so on. > > The "click to infect your computer" world has to end. Amen! My point is not against requiring admin privilege to install, but against the pop-up in the first place. If there is a legitimate need for a plug-in, there should be a separate install (such as rpm) for it. The click-to-infect philosophy pits users against admins (who are just looking out for their employers/users/clients) while shifting the responsibility away from the vendors for imperfect software designs. From jphillips at amphus.com Sat Sep 6 01:32:27 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 05 Sep 2003 18:32:27 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062807050.7392.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <200309052344.h85Niuj20391@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1062807050.7392.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1062811946.13020.111.camel@hawk> > Amen! My point is not against requiring admin privilege to install, but > against the pop-up in the first place. If there is a legitimate need for > a plug-in, there should be a separate install (such as rpm) for it. But there can never be an official RPM from Red Hat, since these software products, in many cases, are closed-source, non-free, non-GPL, etc. If it were only as easy as Red Hat supplying an RPM, then this would be a non-issue. The problem is, how do you engineer a standardized way for a browser to accept plugins, without actually pre-packaging the plugins in the distribution? There could be 5 different plugins that I want to install on my Red Hat system. Of each of those 5 different plugins, they all have a different method of installation. Some are in RPM format. Some are binaries packaged in a tar.gz format that require manual copying of files to certain directories, some have proprietary installation scripts, etc. Not only that, but, for each of these 5 different plugins, there are multiple browsers that need to be configured. Red Hat distributes Epiphany, Konqueror, and Mozilla. So now you have to multiply those 5 plugins by 3, which leaves 15 different plugin installations. As a user, it sucks to have to hunt around on the Internet, going to 15 different web sites, trying to find these different plugins, for each different browser, each with a different method of installation that requires going into the console, reading installation documentation that was prepared by 3rd parties, etc. And if you object to the pop-up installation design, then how about a "Plugin Manager", that provides a GUI wizard method which automates the above describes process? And it's the same point with the movie player (or shall I say, the lack of a movie player). When RH10 ships with Totem, I'm sure it won't come with any codecs that most of us want. So how do we install the codecs? Does Totem have a wizard that walks the user through downloading and installing the codecs? Or do we have to go hunt for them on the Internet, download and read through poorly written 3rd party documentation, and open up the console and start copying files into deeply buried system directories? From mike at redtux.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 3 22:59:59 2003 From: mike at redtux.demon.co.uk (Mike) Date: 03 Sep 2003 23:59:59 +0100 Subject: online article: "how to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062629998.1475.27.camel@redtux> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 17:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: > > > One suggestion I would offer is to *not* do a make oldconfig using a 2.4 > > series .config file when doing your first 2.6 compile. So many things > > have changed in the overall structure that things may get missed. > > oldconfig is fine once you have a working 2.6 .config, though. > > i also wouldn't bother with the System.map file. never needed > it so far, why start now? > > i'm sure there are other observations i can make after i read > that article more thoroughly. mostly, i'd love to get ALSA > sound working. > > rday > > If it helps anyone I attach a tarball of some stuff from alsa-driver (which bviously you dont need if its in the kernel) snddevices - script to setup alsa devices alsaconf - config script modprobeconf with entries for my (OSS) card alsasound and alsactl startup scripts for /etc/rc* (amended to load the oss mixer stuff) You still need alsalibs and alsa-utils > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200309011706.36607.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309011706.36607.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1062458456.2990.0.camel@redtux> On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 22:06, Elton Woo wrote: > >>On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 03:09:05PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > >> How do I capture error dialogs in Nautilus? > >> I've recently updated from rawhide, and when I login, I get error > >> messages to the effect that gnome settings cannot be saved, > >> because ****** .... etc. > >> > >> I have to logout of Gnome via CTRL-ALT-DEL. > >> > >> KDE is working fine, and it's from *this* desktop that I'm sending > >> this message. > >> > > >Maybe gconf-sanity-check-2 has more info if you try running it. > >Run it with DISPLAY= so there's no X connection and it prints to > t>he command line. > > >You could also strace -o /tmp/output -f gconf-sanity-check-2 to > >see what goes wrong. > > Can you guve me some dummy-leve instructions on how to > do this? Essentially, I can now *read* the text in the error dialogs, > but since I have neither desktop icons, nor the panel, I can't > (read: don't know how to) access a console prompt. TKseti and > licq load, because they are in my startup sessions... > > Other than that, I would have to read each error message and > write them down on paper, then login to KDE to post further info > on this. N.B. The nVidia drivers are now installed, and I have almost > all updates from rawhide installed. At the very least, the important > ones like glibc, gnome-panel, and nautilus are installed.... > have you tried with a clean dummy user account? > Thanks, > > Elton From mike at redtux.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 3 18:03:16 2003 From: mike at redtux.demon.co.uk (Mike) Date: 03 Sep 2003 19:03:16 +0100 Subject: online article: "how to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062612195.1490.38.camel@redtux> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 17:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: > > > One suggestion I would offer is to *not* do a make oldconfig using a 2.4 > > series .config file when doing your first 2.6 compile. So many things > > have changed in the overall structure that things may get missed. > > oldconfig is fine once you have a working 2.6 .config, though. > > i also wouldn't bother with the System.map file. never needed > it so far, why start now? > > i'm sure there are other observations i can make after i read > that article more thoroughly. mostly, i'd love to get ALSA > sound working. > > rday > > If it helps anyone I attach a tarball of some stuff from alsa-driver (which bviously you dont need if its in the kernel) snddevices - script to setup alsa devices alsaconf - config script modprobeconf with entries for my (OSS) card alsasound and alsactl startup scripts for /etc/rc* (amended to load the oss mixer stuff) You still need alsalibs and alsa-utils > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm > > not shy of the console, but still I'd prefer an easier way to get > > plugins installed. Like the way IE does it for example: if you go to > > a site that has java or flash, a little pop-up comes up and prompts > > you to automatically install the software. I don't see why Red Hat > > can't accomplish this with the browsers they bundle in their > > distribution (epiphany, galeon, konqueror, mozilla). Funny, my version of mozilla does that, albeit it d/l's the thingy and then fails on install cause needs to be root, but hey thats mozilla... not Red Hat, its not Red Hats job to fix that, its mozillas, a check if ur not root to ask for root passwd and then get the pluggin and su to install it. > Because of the EULA you must agree to prior to installing said plugins. > It's not legal for Red Hat to distribute said plugins. Jesse's correct...once again :) -- Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemster / Flamemaster - Network Solutions: clueless f'wits who dont care whos business they damage through their incompetance, which is the ONLY thing they excel at. From ckloiber at redhat.com Sat Sep 6 03:08:34 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:08:34 -0400 Subject: Crash at startup In-Reply-To: <200309042257.h84Mv9f08418@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309042257.h84Mv9f08418@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062817714.580.27.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 18:57, Alan Cox wrote: > > It worked thank you. > > Cool, can you also send a bug report to acpi-devel at lists.sourceforge.net > giving your rough hardware details and the report you provided here that > will reach the main acpi developers at Intel and others who work on it. > If you aren't sure what hardware details to include the output of lspci -v > is a good start. > > Alan I originally sent a 'sysreport' and with my personal acpi bugzilla entry (#102501), and was later asked for a copy of the output of 'acpidmp' and the information captured from a serial console at boot time. It all must have worked for the best, as the latest kernel boots fine with the 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl kernel. Thank you! -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From ghenriks at rogers.com Sat Sep 6 03:53:22 2003 From: ghenriks at rogers.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 23:53:22 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062811946.13020.111.camel@hawk> References: <200309052344.h85Niuj20391@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1062807050.7392.17.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1062811946.13020.111.camel@hawk> Message-ID: On 05 Sep 2003 18:32:27 -0700, you wrote: >> Amen! My point is not against requiring admin privilege to install, but >> against the pop-up in the first place. If there is a legitimate need for >> a plug-in, there should be a separate install (such as rpm) for it. > >But there can never be an official RPM from Red Hat, since these >software products, in many cases, are closed-source, non-free, non-GPL, >etc. If it were only as easy as Red Hat supplying an RPM, then this >would be a non-issue. Or a 3rd party (Freshprms, Fedora) can package it up for users like what is currently done for mp3. >multiple browsers that need to be configured. Red Hat distributes >Epiphany, Konqueror, and Mozilla. So now you have to multiply those 5 >plugins by 3, which leaves 15 different plugin installations. Certainly a common plugin directory would be useful. >And it's the same point with the movie player (or shall I say, the lack >of a movie player). When RH10 ships with Totem, I'm sure it won't come What makes you think RH10 will come with Totem? Totem is not in the current beta, and it is not in Gnome 2.4 (which is the only major change happening to the beta (I think)). >with any codecs that most of us want. So how do we install the codecs? >Does Totem have a wizard that walks the user through downloading and I believe, at least in the Gnome world, this would actually be the job of gstreamer. From kevymac at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 04:12:57 2003 From: kevymac at yahoo.com (Kevin McConnell) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062802575.13020.79.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <20030906041257.86309.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Joseph Phillips wrote: > PS. (Now how about a substantive response? > Thanks.) File an RFE. ===== Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- Freedom in software, now freedom in life. http://www.freestateproject.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From nosp at xades.com Sat Sep 6 09:17:23 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:17:23 +0100 Subject: up2date -d doesn't handle updated up2date rpms well Message-ID: <1062839843.2115.74.camel@earth.xades.com> Hi, up2date --nox -d -u gets itself into a loop if up2date updates are downloaded. It seems to be thinking: 1) download all new rpms; 2) check for updated versions of up2date; 3) if up2date updates are present, prepare to restart after installing up2date; 4) install up2date unless "-d" has been specified; 5) regardless of #4 completing, because of #3, goto #1. As you can see, "-d" causes a loop with this logic that up2date can't break out of. I have observed this today on my severn box. Wanted to check that this wasn't a problem on my end or other misunderstanding on my part before filing a bug. Am I overlooking something? Martin From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Sep 6 11:13:30 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 07:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: where is alsa stuff at www.fedora.us? Message-ID: wanted to play with ALSA stuff on my severn system, so i checked www.fedora.us, and i didn't see any alsa-related rpms there. pretty sure i can get them from over at freshrpms, but i was just curious about their absence from fedora. rday p.s. what's the philosophical difference between freshrpms and fedora, both of them being repositories for add-on rpms? From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 6 12:32:11 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: from "Gerald Henriksen" at Med 05, 2003 11:53:22 Message-ID: <200309061232.h86CWBh13037@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > >multiple browsers that need to be configured. Red Hat distributes > >Epiphany, Konqueror, and Mozilla. So now you have to multiply those 5 > >plugins by 3, which leaves 15 different plugin installations. Actually they all known how to use the same legacy plugin library interface. Konqueror goes one better and knows how to run the plugin in a seperate memory space so it doesn't crash. > Certainly a common plugin directory would be useful. Drop it in the old netscape/mozilla one and that should work From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 6 12:36:20 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062811946.13020.111.camel@hawk> from "Joseph Phillips" at Med 05, 2003 06:32:27 Message-ID: <200309061236.h86CaKQ14846@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > accept plugins, without actually pre-packaging the plugins in the > distribution? People who ship proprietary software have actually been able to get permission to do things like rpm/dpkg package some of the plugins by vendors. Its not something the project would do itself as its non-free code but its something people who want that proprietary code may be able to negotiate in many cases, or perhaps even encourage vendors to do themselves From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 6 13:04:18 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:04:18 +0200 Subject: Severn kernel Message-ID: <1062853457.5881.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Now, my day to day system is severn with kernel-2.4.22... The system work very well. Better than RH9. Perhaps Gnome 2.4 use less memory or there are some features in the new kernel that improve the overall performance when there are many I/O ? Great job. Many thanks. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since the kernel that was shipped with Severn (let alone Shrike), this update has been the first, which means that mainline moved quite a bit, so you could be seeing subtle VM/block layer improvements, but as well as baseline updates, pretty much all the other 'major' patches, ntpl, exec-sheild etc also got significant updates, so it could be attributed to quite a few things, or a sum of the whole. > Great job. Many thanks. Thanks for the feedback. Here's hoping it continues to please.. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Sat Sep 6 13:27:50 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:27:50 +0200 Subject: XFree86 which version? Message-ID: <3F59FCF6.32174.274B54@localhost> Hi, Yesterday I downloaded all rawhide updates from my local mirror (ftp://ftp.nluug.nl), and today I am getting the last packages that are not yet available via the mirror from ftp://ftp.redhat.com. To my surprise my machine started downloading XFree86-4.3.0-24. This seems to be the only version available via ftp.redhat.com (by the way, quite annoying that I can't download and have a tree view in my browser at the same time because of "too many connections from your IP"), but at ftp.nluug.nl only XFree86-4.3.0-25 is available. What happened? Was -25 pulled from rawhide for some reason? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Sat Sep 6 13:44:02 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:44:02 +0200 Subject: cyclical dependencies? In-Reply-To: <20030905165549.B3860@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: ; from VANCOD@PIOS.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:22:06PM -0400 Message-ID: <3F5A00C2.4569.3620F2@localhost> Hi Donald, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > [root at localhost up2date]# rpm -ivh > > redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1.i386.rpm > > Preparing... ########################################### > > [100%] > > file /usr/sbin/lokkit from install of > > redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1 conflicts with file from package > > lokkit-0.50-24.1 > > Upgrade, not install. r-c-s-tui obsoletes lokkit. Another approach is building an rpmdb for the latest rawhide tree: rpm --justdb --ignoresize --noscripts --notriggers --nodigest --dbpath -i *.rpm Update /etc/rpm/macros.solve to point to the new rpmdb and the package directory. Now issue rpm -F --aid *.rpm --aid will take care of all dependencies. The only thing it fails to do is replacing redhat-release with rawhide-release. Saves you the time to sort out which packages you need to upgrade. Very neat. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Sep 6 14:17:35 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: getting ALSA to work with 2.6.0-test4 kernel Message-ID: from reading various web sites and collecting that info, i get the feeling i'm *really* close to getting ALSA working, so i'll just summarize what i've done so far, and anyone is free to chime in with what i did wrong. :-) first, kernel config (some as modules, some built-in): sound (ALSA options) OSS emulation, mixer, PCM, sequencer (PCI) ESS Maestro3 driver RPMS (all from freshrpms) alsa-lib alsa-utils alsa-driver reboot with new 2.6.0-test4-bk7 kernel, and load various modules so that i end up with (from modprobe): soundcore snd snd_pcm snd_timer snd_ac97_codec snd_page_alloc snd_maestro3 so far, looks good. and i can scan /proc/asound to find a number of new entries, including /proc/asound/cards which lists my ESS Maestro3. now, based on one website, run "alsamixer" and turn up volume via both "Master" and "PCM", and ... now what? if i run the standard "cdp" player, no volume. do i have to use an alsa-specific player? have i forgotten something? so close ... rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Sep 6 15:21:07 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: initscripts changes for 2.6 kernel support? Message-ID: based on a couple different web sites, there are a number of changes that seem to be appropriate in /etc/rc.sysinit (from the initscripts package) for the 2.6 kernel, so i'm curious why they're not already in the initscripts package at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5. i thought the whole point of those RPMs was to be compatible with the 2.5/2.6 kernel (although i can certainly see how some of these changes might break backward compatibility, so that might be a wee bit of an issue. :-) the sites are http://www.fearthecow.net/kernel.html http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html and the changes suggested are (and at least one of them makes definite sense since it would get rid of a constant boot-time error annoyance): *** add support for sysfs mounting *** change names of USB modules (which would get rid of the eternal error of not finding keybdev and mousedev) *** change all occurrences of "/proc/ksyms" -> "/proc/kallsyms" comments? as i mentioned, the renaming of the USB modules makes *immediate* sense to me as i see its effect every time i boot. so, what's the status of initscripts and /etc/rc.sysinit regarding these 2.6-related updates? thanks. rday From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 6 15:38:37 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:38:37 +0200 Subject: where is alsa stuff at www.fedora.us? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030906173837.0eb5485a.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 07:13:30 -0400 (EDT), Robert P. J. Day wrote: > wanted to play with ALSA stuff on my severn system, so > i checked www.fedora.us, and i didn't see any alsa-related > rpms there. > > pretty sure i can get them from over at freshrpms, but > i was just curious about their absence from fedora. At Fedora, ALSA is in the QA package queue together with more than a hundred other packages: alsa-lib https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=590 alsa-utils https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=591 alsa-oss https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=592 alsa-driver https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=601 alsa-tools https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=603 If you don't mind rebuilding src.rpms, feel free to test-drive the packages and contribute your experience to above bugzilla reports. In addition to the "rpm-build" package, Fedora uses a "fedora-rpmdevtools" package which also pulls in additional dependencies for a common build environment. > rday > > p.s. what's the philosophical difference between freshrpms > and fedora, both of them being repositories for add-on rpms? First a disclaimer: I'm neither up-to-date nor really informed about any plans of a merger between Freshrpms and the repositories of a few other individual packagers. There are rumours that it is being worked on in order to increase compatibility between the repositories. Just like some people advise against mixing packages from Fedora with Freshrpms, you can read about problems between packages from Freshrpms and other repositories and vice versa. Some of the philosophical differences between Fedora and Freshrpms become clear upon browsing the various documentation pages at fedora.us. Most of the pages are still under development though, and should not be considered final. Some of the Fedora development aims at creating common package guidelines, package submission and QA policies, helper tools or infrastructure (build servers, CVS server, Bugzilla,...). One of the rather obvious differences between Fedora and Freshrpms is, that Fedora aims at being an open community project, whereas Freshrpms is the work of a single individual, Matthias Saou (except for feedback via mail/mail-lists or contributions which he accepts). As one of the possibilities given by Fedora, its roughly documented package submission and approval process allows you (and everyone interested) to either contribute packages or gain trust with helping to verify and approve packages in the queue. Of course, that's not the only way how to contribute... - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Wf990iMVcrivHFQRAoK+AJ9fggBcNQordwPl1CLnG1yZDIPn/ACeOrkL IVVCmiijeUeaI9lEXkhIrN4= =L/ZT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From train at voicenet.com Sat Sep 6 17:45:29 2003 From: train at voicenet.com (Herbert Rutledge) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:45:29 -0400 Subject: getting ALSA to work with 2.6.0-test4 kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062870329.1622.25.camel@trilon.localhost> On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 10:17, Robert P. J. Day wrote: Here's the one thing that jumps out at me, but if this doesn't work, then I would be happy to outline, step-by-step, what I did to get ALSA working with the 2.6.0-test4 kernel. > now, based on one website, run "alsamixer" and turn up volume > via both "Master" and "PCM", and ... now what? Did you also turn up the volume on CD? You'll get zero volume unless you do. > if i run the standard "cdp" player, no volume. do i have to > use an alsa-specific player? have i forgotten something? Cdp works fine for me. Check your CD level with alsamixer. > so close ... Patience. You're almost there. -train From mhowell at northlink.com Sat Sep 6 18:58:05 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:58:05 -0700 Subject: up2date rpm signiture in beta chanel (i imported beta key ..). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c374a8$dca674d0$6401a8c0@icontrolinc.com> > > > I subscribed to severn beta updates subchanel, but up2date > always bug > > me that rpm package is not signed .... > > > > I already do: > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY" > > > > and the same bugging is happen ... > > > > wrong key ? > > You need to import the rawhide key. You can download it from > http://www.redhat.com/security/e418e3aa.txt or find it > inside the redhat-release package that is in the updates subchannel. > > -- Elliot > For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe. > FWIW, this solved it for me. Thanks Elliot! Mark. From alan at clueserver.org Sat Sep 6 21:34:29 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 06 Sep 2003 14:34:29 -0700 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? Message-ID: <1062884069.27310.17.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> I am trying to get Severn installed on a Sony 505ve laptop. I have installed a number of other versions on it with no problem. When i install, it boots of the PCMCIA cd-rom. When i select "Local CD-ROM" as the install media, it claims that it cannot find a driver for that device. The pcmcia cd-rom normally uses the ide-floppy driver. It is loaded on boot. I have tried using the pcmdiadd.img to load the ide-cd driver. It does not want to see it unless I use "linux dd" on boot. (It does not show up on the list of additional drivers if I try to load the driver disk later.) "linux ide1=0x180" does not work either. (Which used to be the fix for this problem on older installs.) It just refuses to see the cd-rom drive. Ideas? I would do an NFS install, but the laptop has only one pcmcia slot and that is eaten by the cd-rom drive. Since this has worked with other versions, I am assuming that it is a bug. Just not certain what is going on. I may have to build a custom version and try that... -- Alan From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 6 21:58:08 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 23:58:08 +0200 Subject: where is alsa stuff at www.fedora.us? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062885488.11048.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le sam 06/09/2003 ? 13:13, Robert P. J. Day a ?crit : > wanted to play with ALSA stuff on my severn system, so > i checked www.fedora.us, and i didn't see any alsa-related > rpms there. > alsa packages for severn kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl : http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/alsa_severn/ Those package are nearly identical to those of freshrpms : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/9/ Notice that i only test them on an athlon. No smp. > pretty sure i can get them from over at freshrpms, but > i was just curious about their absence from fedora. > > rday > > p.s. what's the philosophical difference between freshrpms > and fedora, both of them being repositories for add-on rpms? > -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, RaXeT From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Sat Sep 6 23:14:15 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:14:15 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn Message-ID: <200309062314.BAA15161@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> Hi all, I have updated my home box to Severn. The box is based on an Asus A7V board, Athlon 1 GHz, nVidia video and SB Live! audio. This machine has evolved over time, and so has the software (I think I first installed RedHat 4.2, or some such, and never completely re-installed). The last update was done through Yum, which seamlessly brought the machine up from RedHat 9 to Severn. So far, I quite like it. I have a "problem" though: I bought 3 games from Loki games: Heroes III, Kohan, and Rune. Kohan quit working when I upgraded to RH 9. Heroes III quit working when I upgraded to Severn (worked well in RH 9). Rune still runs fine. This is what I see when I attempt to start Heroes III: chris: heroes3 BUG! (Segmentation Fault) Going down hard... Heroes of Might & Magic III 1.3.1a Built with glibc-2.1 on x86 Stack dump: { [0x82062d3] [0x82064bb] [0xc0de0000] [0x8250766] [0x824ea3a] [0x822c74c] } Please send a full bug report, along with the contents of autosave to: support at lokigames.com Killed Of course, Loki has closed down... :-( I'm thinking of setting up a jailed environment, with an old glibc, but I'm not sure how to do it easily... Any other suggestions ? Sorry for the long ranting, BTW... Cheers, Christian From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 6 23:23:35 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309062314.BAA15161@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> from "Christian Iseli" at Med 07, 2003 01:14:15 Message-ID: <200309062323.h86NNZD14755@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I'm thinking of setting up a jailed environment, with an old glibc, but I'm not sure > how to do it easily... That would be a useful experiment to be sure it is a glibc issue. Another thing to check is if LD_ASSUME_* settings help From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sat Sep 6 23:48:07 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: 06 Sep 2003 18:48:07 -0500 Subject: Update agent problem Message-ID: <1062892087.3673.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have just installed severn. My first problem is that I cannot register my machine in RHN, so I cannot update the packages. When I finish to enter all the information required, it says "Problem registering username". I know that there are also apt repositories around. Can you tell me where can I found them? Thanks in advance From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 6 23:57:57 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:57:57 +0200 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le sam 06/09/2003 ? 01:08, Michael Schwendt a ?crit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:03:14 -0700, Joseph Phillips wrote: > > > One of the worst experiences for me was trying to setup mplayer on RH9. It > > still doesn't work right. I get skins errors, and the codecs didn't get > > setup right, and I had lib problems when compiling from source. Just a plain > > pain in the butt. > > Have you tried the prebuilt mplayer packages and other movie players > from Fedora Linux before? > > http://www.fedora.us > And this is really simple to have a movie player. For freshrpms with yum (it's the same form fedora and/or apt) : # rpm -i http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/9/yum/yum-2.0.1-1.rh.fr.i386.rpm # yum install mplayer or # yum install xine That's all. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe I just have it down to a drill, I dunno - still, I'd probably be willing to pay a decent price for a distro that took care of all that sort of stuff - Joe From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 7 00:29:27 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:29:27 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309062029.27810.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 6, 2003 07:57 pm, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias declared: > For freshrpms with yum (it's the same form fedora and/or apt) : > # rpm -i > http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/9/yum/yum-2.0.1-1.rh.fr.i386. >rpm # yum install mplayer > or > # yum install xine > Thanks to your comments above, I finally downloaded and installed yum. However, as a test, I tried to install xine, and I get this error message: root]# yum install xine Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 9.0.93 - i386 - freshrpms retrygrab() failed for: http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/9.0.93/i386/freshrpms/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/9.0.93/i386/freshrpms/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found So I guess I'll have to it the usual way: download the packages and needed libs through mozilla... Elton 8-( -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once, so let's make life EASIER for each other." LINUX Registered User #193975. AMD-K7 ATHLON CPU power on board. From jeremyp at pobox.com Sun Sep 7 01:25:23 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: 06 Sep 2003 21:25:23 -0400 Subject: Update agent problem In-Reply-To: <1062892087.3673.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062892087.3673.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062897922.1125.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Have you manually installed the new RHN certificate? If not, the up2date included in Severn will not work. Please visit https://rhn.redhat.com/help/ssl_cert.pxt --Jeremy On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 19:48, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > I have just installed severn. My first problem is that I cannot > register my machine in RHN, so I cannot update the packages. > > When I finish to enter all the information required, it says "Problem > registering username". > > I know that there are also apt repositories around. Can you tell me > where can I found them? > > Thanks in advance > > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 7 01:46:36 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:46:36 -0500 Subject: Error in redhat-config-network Message-ID: <1062899196.3703.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Today I installed this beta and updated every package from the update channel. I'm really amazed how I got it installed really easy. I have a notebook Toshiba Salellite A25-S207 and up to now everything is working perfectly (sound, video card, touchpad, etc) I'm experiencing an error when I try to open redhat-config-network. This is it: redhat-config-network: Error copying //etc/hosts to //etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles//default/hosts: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles//default/hosts'! From jefftl at cox.net Sun Sep 7 02:42:00 2003 From: jefftl at cox.net (Jeff Anonymous) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:42:00 -0500 Subject: Severn text installer problem Message-ID: I'm running a Dell Dimension 8250 (512 MB RAM, PS/2 keyboard, Intellimouse Explorer with PS/2 adapter, aftermarket modified only to have a real Audigy 2) and cannot get Severn to acknowledge my keystrokes at the language selection menu in text installer (I am trying to install over FTP). RH8 installs fine, and last time I tried, 9 installed well, too. What can I do? Thanks. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Sep 7 03:17:33 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 05:17:33 +0200 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309062029.27810.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309062029.27810.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030907051733.2bf965fa.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:29:27 -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 6, 2003 07:57 pm, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias > declared: > > > For freshrpms with yum (it's the same form fedora and/or apt) : > > # rpm -i > > http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/9/yum/yum-2.0.1-1.rh.fr.i386. > >rpm # yum install mplayer > > or > > # yum install xine > > > Thanks to your comments above, I finally downloaded and installed yum. > However, as a test, I tried to install xine, and I get this error message: > > root]# yum install xine > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux 9.0.93 - i386 - freshrpms > retrygrab() failed for: > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/9.0.93/i386/freshrpms/headers/header.info > Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/9.0.93/i386/freshrpms/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > So I guess I'll have to it the usual way: download the packages and needed > libs through mozilla... You installed the preconfigured Yum for Shrike on Severn without a Severn repository at freshrpms.net. That's the reason why you get a 404 Not Found error. The example above was Shrike-specific. It would have been different if you had used Yum from Fedora's Severn repository: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/WqNN0iMVcrivHFQRAmavAJ9ZcAFPYJ5bJ1sedcCHkz519atS0gCfcw52 V+6mP2ukaEZGEPiCqSXMnGY= =apqn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hoyt at cavtel.net Sun Sep 7 03:33:32 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:33:32 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <3F5A7ACA.3050506@tmsusa.com> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <3F5A7ACA.3050506@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200309062333.32005.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Saturday 06 September 2003 08:24 pm, Joe wrote: > Maybe I just have it down to a drill, I dunno - still, I'd probably be > willing to pay a decent price for a distro that took care of all that > sort of stuff - Because of the low volume and the licensing costs, you would probably not pay the amount the vendor would need to charge to make money. And really, how hard _is_ installing YUM/APT? -- Hoyt From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 7 03:58:16 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 20:58:16 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309062333.32005.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <3F5A7ACA.3050506@tmsusa.com> <200309062333.32005.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <3F5AACD8.6090703@tmsusa.com> HoytDuff wrote: >On Saturday 06 September 2003 08:24 pm, Joe wrote: > > >>Maybe I just have it down to a drill, I dunno - still, I'd probably be >>willing to pay a decent price for a distro that took care of all that >>sort of stuff - >> >> > >Because of the low volume and the licensing costs, you would probably not pay >the amount the vendor would need to charge to make money. > >And really, how hard _is_ installing YUM/APT? > > For me it's easy - but I'm thinking about aunt tillie.... Joe From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 7 04:00:46 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:00:46 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309062333.32005.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <3F5A7ACA.3050506@tmsusa.com> <200309062333.32005.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <3F5AAD6E.7000004@tmsusa.com> HoytDuff wrote: >On Saturday 06 September 2003 08:24 pm, Joe wrote: > > >>Maybe I just have it down to a drill, I dunno - still, I'd probably be >>willing to pay a decent price for a distro that took care of all that >>sort of stuff - >> >> > >Because of the low volume and the licensing costs, you would probably not pay >the amount the vendor would need to charge to make money. > > Low volume? who said anything about low volume? I want world domination, dude! Joe From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 05:29:19 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 07 Sep 2003 02:29:19 -0300 Subject: sbp2.o still fails on kernel linux-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl In-Reply-To: <3F5A6201.50708@xmission.com> References: <3F5A6201.50708@xmission.com> Message-ID: On Sep 6, 2003, raxet wrote: > blk:queue c19a6214 I/O Limit 4095mb (mask 0xffffffff) > IEEE1394:sbp2 Logged into SBP-2 device https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103821 -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Sun Sep 7 06:58:53 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:58:53 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn Message-ID: <200309070658.IAA22135@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:23:35 EDT." <200309062323.h86NNZD14755 at devserv.devel.redhat.com> > That would be a useful experiment to be sure it is a glibc issue. Ok. I'll attempt it (but don't hold your breath... :) > Another thing to check is if LD_ASSUME_* settings help I tried: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 heroes3 slightly different behaviour: the program just hangs after showing a black screen. Doesn't report a bug, but doesn't work either. If I play around a bit with the program switches, I'm able to get it to show the intro movie with no sound, but as soon as I click the mouse to get the startup screen, it goes down hard with a bug report. FWIW, here is the output of ldd and file: chris: ldd /usr/local/games/Heroes3/heroes3 not a dynamic executable chris: file /usr/local/games/Heroes3/heroes3 /usr/local/games/Heroes3/heroes3: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, statically linked, stripped Christian From hosting at j2solutions.net Sun Sep 7 07:11:12 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:11:12 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <3F5AACD8.6090703@tmsusa.com> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <200309062333.32005.hoyt@cavtel.net> <3F5AACD8.6090703@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200309070011.12917.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Saturday 06 September 2003 20:58, Joe uttered: > For me it's easy - but I'm thinking about aunt tillie.... Considering that yum is most likely going to be included in future Red Hat releases, or the fact that up2date can be used against yum repositories, this is a moot point. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 7 08:39:06 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:39:06 +0200 Subject: samsung syncmaster - monitor_database Message-ID: <3F5AEEAA.5080801@gmx.de> hi, will_be_recognized/are_supported the samsung syncmaster 15x, 17x, 19x in severn1 or higher ? some monitors should be replaced in the near future @work @home i can not find a similar entry in the monitor-list from redhat-config-xfree86 overview: http://monitor.samsung.de/index_tft_syncmaster.asp 152T TFT http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=318 172T TFT http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=391 192T MM TFT http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=810 in which file can i find the monitor_database? ?? /usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py import rhpl.monitor ?? -- shrek-m From mharris at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 11:10:44 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XFree86 which version? In-Reply-To: <3F59FCF6.32174.274B54@localhost> References: <3F59FCF6.32174.274B54@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: >Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:27:50 +0200 >From: Leonard den Ottolander >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: XFree86 which version? > >Hi, > > Yesterday I downloaded all rawhide updates from my local mirror >(ftp://ftp.nluug.nl), and today I am getting the last packages that are not >yet available via the mirror from ftp://ftp.redhat.com. > > To my surprise my machine started downloading XFree86-4.3.0-24. This seems >to be the only version available via ftp.redhat.com (by the way, quite >annoying that I can't download and have a tree view in my browser at the >same time because of "too many connections from your IP"), but at >ftp.nluug.nl only XFree86-4.3.0-25 is available. What happened? Was -25 >pulled from rawhide for some reason? Yes, there were some problems with that package that prevented other things from properly compiling, so it was pulled. Fixes have been available for a number of days, however our buildsystem is not being mharris-friendly, so I'm unable to produce new packages in a timely manner for the public. The 4.3.0-29 build will appear publically once the buildsystem lets it pass through. It builds and works fine for me locally. Time will tell. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Sun Sep 7 11:19:09 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:19:09 +0300 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309062323.h86NNZD14755@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309062323.h86NNZD14755@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309071419.09546.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Viestiss? Sunnuntai 7. Syyskuuta 2003 02:23, Alan Cox kirjoitti: > > I'm thinking of setting up a jailed environment, with an old glibc, but > > I'm not sure how to do it easily... > > That would be a useful experiment to be sure it is a glibc issue. Another > thing to check is if LD_ASSUME_* settings help I have a similar problem with Alpha Centauri. It's a statically linked executable, so I don't think it can be fixed by a different (dynamically linked) glibc. LD_ASSUME_* has no effect. 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However, the details are like this: Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4299_rev_D-1/Vol ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4299_rev_D-1/Pcm ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4299_rev_D-1/Spkr ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4299_rev_D-1/Line ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4299_rev_D-1/Mic ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4299_rev_D-1/CD ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4299_rev_D-1/Pcm2 ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Is there anyone know why and could help me to fix this? Thanks. hutigers _________________________________________________________________ ??????????????? MSN Hotmail? http://www.hotmail.com From gstool at earthlink.net Sun Sep 7 12:15:37 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 07:15:37 -0500 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F5B2169.7010802@earthlink.net> F?liciano Matias wrote: > Le sam 06/09/2003 ? 01:08, Michael Schwendt a ?crit : > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:03:14 -0700, Joseph Phillips wrote: >> >> >>>One of the worst experiences for me was trying to setup mplayer on RH9. It >>>still doesn't work right. I get skins errors, and the codecs didn't get >>>setup right, and I had lib problems when compiling from source. Just a plain >>>pain in the butt. >> >>Have you tried the prebuilt mplayer packages and other movie players >>from Fedora Linux before? >> >> http://www.fedora.us >> > > And this is really simple to have a movie player. > > For freshrpms with yum (it's the same form fedora and/or apt) : > # rpm -i http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/9/yum/yum-2.0.1-1.rh.fr.i386.rpm > # yum install mplayer > or > # yum install xine > > That's all. > > So, I did that, all successfully for xine in RHL9. I put in a dvd and xine automatically came up. I clicked on its DVD button and got two error boxes: - xine engine error - Input plugin failed to open mrl 'dvd:/' and The source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: not disc in dirve). (/dev/dvd) /dev/dvd is a link to /dev/scd1 which is my dvd drive. Does anyone know what I need to do to get this to work? Thanks. Gerry Tool From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sun Sep 7 12:28:04 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:28:04 +0200 Subject: RH10 multimedia support References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F5B2169.7010802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000d01c3753b$839f20b0$152ea8c0@august> Hi, > The source can't be read. > Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't > contain data (e.g: not disc in dirve). (/dev/dvd) > > /dev/dvd is a link to /dev/scd1 which is my dvd drive. > > Does anyone know what I need to do to get this to work? Perhaps your link /dev/dvd isn't configured proper. Try to adjust this directly in xine (viedeo input, device /dev/scd1). Another possibility is that the DVD is CSS-type, and you have to install libdvdcss. Rainer From hutigers at hotmail.com Sun Sep 7 12:37:59 2003 From: hutigers at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?1dgg9s4=?=) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 20:37:59 +0800 Subject: Ximian Evolution does not response when I want to close it. Message-ID: hi, everyone. The Evolution 1.4.4-5 does not response any more when I want to close it. The message is like this: The window "Summary - Ximian Evolution" is not responding. Forcing this application to quit will cause you to lose any unsaved changes. I then choose Force quit. and then I could still see evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat still exist by Syetem Monitor. So I need to end the two processes and then restart evolution. And when I close it again. The problem comes again. :( Is there anyone who also encounter this problem? I have already update my severn to the newest version. Best Regards. hutigers _________________________________________________________________ ???? MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 13:24:12 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Error in redhat-config-network In-Reply-To: <1062899196.3703.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> from "Santiago Erquicia" at Med 06, 2003 08:46:36 Message-ID: <200309071324.h87DOCK29754@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I'm experiencing an error when I try to open redhat-config-network. > This is it: Are you running this as root ? From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sun Sep 7 13:43:02 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 08:43:02 -0500 Subject: Ximian Evolution does not response when I want to close it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062942182.8646.5.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 07:37, ??? ??? wrote: > The Evolution 1.4.4-5 does not response any more when I want to close it. > The message is like this: > > > The window "Summary - Ximian Evolution" is not responding. > > Forcing this application to quit will cause you to lose any unsaved > changes. > > I then choose Force quit. > and then I could still see evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat > still exist by Syetem Monitor. > So I need to end the two processes and then restart evolution. > And when I close it again. The problem comes again. :( > > Is there anyone who also encounter this problem? I have already update my > severn to the newest version. Yes, I'm seeing the same thing. An rpm -V evolution shows that nothing has changed. From acbk at zeelandnet.nl Sun Sep 7 14:03:33 2003 From: acbk at zeelandnet.nl (h.breimer) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:03:33 +0200 Subject: drawer in panel strange behaviour Message-ID: <20030907160333.689e5d0c.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> Occasionally I use a drawer in the gnome-panel. Until Severn this behaved as expected; sits there and waits to be opened. Since Severn (+ latest rawhide update) drawers open when X and gnome start. Entering your office you would be surprised when this happened. Is there a config for this action? Has sombody else seen this? henk From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sun Sep 7 14:26:38 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:26:38 -0500 Subject: Ximian Evolution does not response when I want to close it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062944797.32567.4.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 07:37, ??? ??? wrote: > The Evolution 1.4.4-5 does not response any more when I want to close it. > The message is like this: > > > The window "Summary - Ximian Evolution" is not responding. > > Forcing this application to quit will cause you to lose any unsaved > changes. > > I then choose Force quit. > and then I could still see evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat > still exist by Syetem Monitor. > So I need to end the two processes and then restart evolution. > And when I close it again. The problem comes again. :( > > Is there anyone who also encounter this problem? I have already update my > severn to the newest version. Yes, I've been seeing the same thing. An `rpm -V evolution` shows that nothing has changed since install. If I close the app before clicking send/receive on the toolbar, then evolution closes normally. [I'm using an IMAP account.] I have submitted this as a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103916 -Paul From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 7 14:59:23 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:59:23 -0500 Subject: Error in redhat-config-network Message-ID: <1062946763.3781.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sorry, I was subscribed to the list with the digest so I didn't see the response up to now. The problem is not there. It is in "Network Device Control", but in the error window appears rehat-config-network. No, I'm using it as a normal user. I already filled a bug in bugzilla. The problem is that it never ask for the root password. From: Alan Cox Subject: Re: Error in redhat-config-network To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > I'm experiencing an error when I try to open redhat-config-network. > This is it: Are you running this as root ? From steve.ellis at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 7 15:11:19 2003 From: steve.ellis at sympatico.ca (Steve Ellis) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 11:11:19 -0400 Subject: Ximian Evolution does not response when I want to close it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062947479.1633.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Same issue here, with all rawhide updates installed. Steve On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 08:37, ? ? wrote: > hi, everyone. > > The Evolution 1.4.4-5 does not response any more when I want to close it. > The message is like this: > > > The window "Summary - Ximian Evolution" is not responding. > > Forcing this application to quit will cause you to lose any unsaved > changes. > > I then choose Force quit. > and then I could still see evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat > still exist by Syetem Monitor. > So I need to end the two processes and then restart evolution. > And when I close it again. The problem comes again. :( > > Is there anyone who also encounter this problem? I have already update my > severn to the newest version. > > Best Regards. > hutigers > > _________________________________________________________________ > ???? MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From senux at senux.com Sun Sep 7 15:29:52 2003 From: senux at senux.com (Brian Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:29:52 +0900 Subject: some bugs related to korean chracters in severn Message-ID: <20030907152952.GA31932@mercury.senux.com> Hi, I found follow bugs. * Some box line is appears in typing Korean chracters in gnome-terminal with ami. But the box is disappeared when typing space. (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_gnome_terminal.png) * I think the default Korean font in Mozilla is not pretty. I think many Korean people likt gulim fonts instead of batang. Better to set gulim as default in distribution configuration. - Ugly (default now) : (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_mozilla_ugly_font.png) - Pretty: (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_mozilla_pretty_font_with_gulim.png) * The Ami is in gnome pannel. You know ami is an IM(input method) program and I think it is better to place ami in the tray of gnome panel. (Near the clock) - ami in gnome panel (now) - (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_ami_in_gnome_panel.png) * I set the default language to Korean. Korean chracters in console mode are all broken. I think it is better to use English locale in console mode. The customized version of RedHat Linux before like alzza linux, the locale in console mode was something like "C" so the chracters are not broken. * Can't input Korean in gaim. When I didn't type space or non-Korean chracters at the end of each line, the line is not sent to buddy. (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_gaim_cant_input.png) * (This is not specific one to Korean) The gnome panel is dead too often. I tried to report the bug but I can't because the bug report program is dead too. * Korean chracter are not shown in OpenOffice. (writer, calc, impress) Korean is shonw input bar above cells in calc but not shown in cell box. Korean in writer, impress is not shown. The the Korean chracters are show in just dots. The openoffice are in gnome panel as default configuration and I think many people will click it. So this should be fixed or the default icon in gnome panel sholud replace to other programs. Thank you! -- ____ |o | i / Brian Lee #######|< Web http://www.senux.com/en/ (x-x-x-x) \ Public GnuPG key: 0x46C763A3 From jphillips at amphus.com Sun Sep 7 15:51:02 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:51:02 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support Message-ID: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBAE@amphussbs.amphus.com> I would just like to point out, if anyone from Red Hat is listening, do you see what this trouble is all about? Do you get my point now? These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get BASIC MULTIMEDIA support on their Red Hat system! Shall I rest my case? -----Original Message----- From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com Sent: 9/7/03 5:28 AM Subject: Re: RH10 multimedia support Hi, > The source can't be read. > Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't > contain data (e.g: not disc in dirve). (/dev/dvd) > > /dev/dvd is a link to /dev/scd1 which is my dvd drive. > > Does anyone know what I need to do to get this to work? Perhaps your link /dev/dvd isn't configured proper. Try to adjust this directly in xine (viedeo input, device /dev/scd1). Another possibility is that the DVD is CSS-type, and you have to install libdvdcss. Rainer -- Rhl-beta-list mailing list Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From smoogen at lanl.gov Sun Sep 7 16:00:36 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:00:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBAE@amphussbs.amphus.com> Message-ID: Here are the counter parts: 1) Red Hat cant ship the codecs without licenses and probably breaking their free software promise 2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases). 3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a DMCA case against you. The joys of todays paranoid computing. On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Joseph Phillips wrote: >I would just like to point out, if anyone from Red Hat is listening, do you >see what this trouble is all about? Do you get my point now? > >These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get BASIC MULTIMEDIA support >on their Red Hat system! > >Shall I rest my case? > -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From dsavage at peaknet.net Sun Sep 7 16:07:19 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:07:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el Message-ID: <24410.208.4.19.185.1062950839.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Up2date works again since updating the RHNS-CA-CERT files, but it keeps saying I need to upgrade aspell and xemacs-el. When I select those packages and proceed, I get a Warning window saying: "Test install failed because of package conflicts: package aspell-0.50.3-15 is already installed package xemacs-3l-21.4.13-4 is already installed" I've run 'up2date -p' multiple times, but the problem persists. When I check the version of up2date itself, I get this: # rpm -qa | grep up2date up2date-3.1.46-2 error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 920 Header V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID 897da07a up2date-gnome-3.1.46-2 Is anyone else seeing this? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 16:08:34 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: <24410.208.4.19.185.1062950839.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> from "dsavage@peaknet.net" at Med 07, 2003 11:07:19 Message-ID: <200309071608.h87G8YX06347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > "Test install failed because of package conflicts: > package aspell-0.50.3-15 is already installed > package xemacs-3l-21.4.13-4 is already installed" > > I've run 'up2date -p' multiple times, but the problem persists. When I > check the version of up2date itself, I get this: Does rpm --rebuilddb fix this ? > Is anyone else seeing this? I'm seeing rpm corrupting databases on 586 but not 686 systems From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Sep 7 16:23:31 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:23:31 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062951811.12655.16.camel@binkley> > 2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on > various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as > evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases). > > 3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software > from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a > DMCA case against you. Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a non-windows,non-macintosh platform. -sv From davej at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 16:29:17 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:29:17 +0100 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <1062884069.27310.17.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> References: <1062884069.27310.17.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <20030907162917.GA5958@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0700, Alan wrote: > I am trying to get Severn installed on a Sony 505ve laptop. I have > installed a number of other versions on it with no problem. > > "linux ide1=0x180" does not work either. (Which used to be the fix for > this problem on older installs.) On my z600 (which is just a European version of the 505) I had to pass.. ide1=0x180,0x386 pci=off It then worked just fine.. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From veillard at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 17:02:37 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:02:37 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062951811.12655.16.camel@binkley>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:23:31PM -0400 References: <1062951811.12655.16.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20030907130237.X1138@redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:23:31PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > > 2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on > > various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as > > evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases). > > > > 3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software > > from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a > > DMCA case against you. > > Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this > risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a > piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a > non-windows,non-macintosh platform. Who in Corporate America has pockets deep enough and bets enough of its earning on Desktop Linux to go there ? I think you have more chance to get there by making it a political problem and fixed that way, i.e. I don't think there is any chance of this happening in the foreseeable future Good luck ! Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From dsavage at peaknet.net Sun Sep 7 17:07:51 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:07:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el Message-ID: <24440.208.4.19.185.1062954471.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 11:08, Alan Cox wrote: > "Test install failed because of package conflicts: > > package aspell-0.50.3-15 is already installed > > package xemacs-3l-21.4.13-4 is already installed" > > > > I've run 'up2date -p' multiple times, but the problem persists. When I > > check the version of up2date itself, I get this: > > Does rpm --rebuilddb fix this ? Unfortunately, it does not: # rpm --rebuilddb error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 920 Header V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID 897da07a error: db4 error(16) from dbenv->remove: Device or resource busy For the record, I'm using rpm-4.2.1-0.11 and up2date-3.1.46-2. Do you think upgrading these to the rawhide versions would fix the problem? > I'm seeing rpm corrupting databases on 586 but not 686 systems This system is an IBM ThinkPad P-III/M laptop w/512M. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From smoogen at lanl.gov Sun Sep 7 17:16:12 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <20030907130237.X1138@redhat.com> Message-ID: I agree with Daniel here. The amount of money that would need to be spent on the legal case would be in the 100 million to low billions in cost. There would be the needed research into all case and patents, getting the appropriate politicians paid for (I mean lobbied), and also pay off the RIAA/MPAA to make them go away. It would take around 10-20 years to get done also as you would need to make sure the appropriate public pressure and right judges had been appointed. IE you would need to do exactly what the RIAA/MPAA have done for the last 4 decades. On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote: >On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:23:31PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: >> >> > 2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on >> > various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as >> > evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases). >> > >> > 3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software >> > from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a >> > DMCA case against you. >> >> Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this >> risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a >> piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a >> non-windows,non-macintosh platform. > > Who in Corporate America has pockets deep enough and bets enough of >its earning on Desktop Linux to go there ? I think you have more chance >to get there by making it a political problem and fixed that way, i.e. >I don't think there is any chance of this happening in the foreseeable >future > Good luck ! > >Daniel > > -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 7 17:24:15 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:24:15 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062951811.12655.16.camel@binkley> References: <1062951811.12655.16.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <3F5B69BF.2020006@tmsusa.com> seth vidal wrote: >>2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on >>various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as >>evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases). >> >>3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software >>from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a >>DMCA case against you. >> >> > >Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this >risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a >piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a >non-windows,non-macintosh platform. > > That's what I want to see - and that's my real concern, not the difficulty of installing multimedia support. Skulking around under this cloud of doubt can be quite tiresome, I'd love to have it out in the open and have it decided that, yes, I can legally view the DVDs I've purchased. Joe From dsavage at peaknet.net Sun Sep 7 17:25:36 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support Message-ID: <24460.208.4.19.185.1062955536.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 17:20, Jesse Keating wrote: > Because of the EULA you must agree to prior to installing said plugins. > It's not legal for Red Hat to distribute said plugins. Jesse, Exactly right. As an alternative I think it would be very helpful (and legal) if Red Hat were to include RHL-specific installation scripts for Java et al to make it easier for us to find, download, and install them. These might be distributed in a '3rd-party-install-scripts' RPM. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 17:30:57 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: <24440.208.4.19.185.1062954471.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> from "dsavage@peaknet.net" at Med 07, 2003 12:07:51 Message-ID: <200309071730.h87HUvm28304@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Unfortunately, it does not: > # rpm --rebuilddb > error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 920 Header V3 DSA signature: > BAD, key ID 897da07a > error: db4 error(16) from dbenv->remove: Device or resource busy > > For the record, I'm using rpm-4.2.1-0.11 and up2date-3.1.46-2. Do you > think upgrading these to the rawhide versions would fix the problem? I dont know. One for bugzilla From smoogen at lanl.gov Sun Sep 7 18:23:17 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <24460.208.4.19.185.1062955536.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: Well depending on how paranoid a business you are, Red Hat would need to get permission from each company organization that originated the code. IE Sun would have to give permission for Red Hat to link to its Java engine sites, Real for the old player, Apple for quicktime codecs, etc etc. [Knowing how quick their lawyers seem to jump on infringers who have pocket books.. I would probably be paranoid.] On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: >On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 17:20, Jesse Keating wrote: >> Because of the EULA you must agree to prior to installing said plugins. >> It's not legal for Red Hat to distribute said plugins. > >Jesse, >Exactly right. As an alternative I think it would be very helpful (and >legal) if Red Hat were to include RHL-specific installation scripts for >Java et al to make it easier for us to find, download, and install them. >These might be distributed in a '3rd-party-install-scripts' RPM. >--Doc Savage > Fairview Heights, IL > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From gstool at earthlink.net Sun Sep 7 18:41:26 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 13:41:26 -0500 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <000d01c3753b$839f20b0$152ea8c0@august> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F5B2169.7010802@earthlink.net> <000d01c3753b$839f20b0$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <3F5B7BD6.6020103@earthlink.net> Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > Another possibility is that the DVD is CSS-type, and you have to install > libdvdcss. > That was the problem. Thanks. From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Sun Sep 7 18:57:29 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:57:29 +0200 Subject: GPG pubkeys Message-ID: <3F5B9BB9.1636.BCD53@localhost> Hi, If I import the GPG pubkeys available via http://www.redhat.com/solutions/security/news/publickey.html I see that the versions from Red Hat and MIT have different version numbers when I import them into rpm (fe compare http://www.redhat.com/security/650d5882.txt and http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x650D5882). Why is this? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From veillard at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 19:00:29 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:00:29 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <3F5B69BF.2020006@tmsusa.com>; from joe@tmsusa.com on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 10:24:15AM -0700 References: <1062951811.12655.16.camel@binkley> <3F5B69BF.2020006@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <20030907150029.A1138@redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 10:24:15AM -0700, Joe wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > >Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this > >risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a > >piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a > >non-windows,non-macintosh platform. > > > > > That's what I want to see - and that's my real concern, not the > difficulty of installing multimedia support. Skulking around under this > cloud of doubt can be quite tiresome, I'd love to have it out in the > open and have it decided that, yes, I can legally view the DVDs I've > purchased. So the law need fixing ? Well here the way we get it changed is put pressure on the political system to try to have it changed. This may not work in the US, but that's how democracies are supposed to function, aren't they ? Honnestly, suggesting to use a lawsuit to fix a breakage in law sounds really bizarre from here. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From alan at clueserver.org Sun Sep 7 19:17:28 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 07 Sep 2003 12:17:28 -0700 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <20030907162917.GA5958@redhat.com> References: <1062884069.27310.17.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> <20030907162917.GA5958@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062962247.12261.10.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 09:29, Dave Jones wrote: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0700, Alan wrote: > > I am trying to get Severn installed on a Sony 505ve laptop. I have > > installed a number of other versions on it with no problem. > > > > "linux ide1=0x180" does not work either. (Which used to be the fix for > > this problem on older installs.) > > On my z600 (which is just a European version of the 505) > I had to pass.. > ide1=0x180,0x386 pci=off > > It then worked just fine.. Thanks. I will test it and see what happens. I have the same problem with Redhat 9. (I went back and tested the last 3-4 versions. Everything up through Redhat 8 works. Redhat 9 and beyond does not. Mandrake 9.0 works. I have not tested Mandrake 9.1 or any of the SuSe versions I have here.) Since it is my "out of the computer room development machine", I want to get it working with the latest version of Redhat as possible. -- Alan From mike at netlyncs.com Sun Sep 7 19:21:29 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 14:21:29 -0500 Subject: RHN Icon not working Message-ID: <1062962489.1938.7.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> My RHN icon doesn't want to start. Here is the output of the command via CLI.. [mike at bart mike]$ rhn-applet-gui Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/rhn-applet-gui", line 41, in ? main() File "/usr/bin/rhn-applet-gui", line 37, in main applet = rhn_applet.rhnApplet() File "/usr/bin/../share/rhn/rhn_applet/rhn_applet.py", line 143, in __init__ self.session = gnome.ui.gnome_master_client() AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'gnome_master_client' Using rhn-applet-2.0.10-5 from rawhide. Any ideas? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "I'd insult you, but you wouldn't know the difference!" From alan at clueserver.org Sun Sep 7 19:21:53 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 07 Sep 2003 12:21:53 -0700 Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: <200309071730.h87HUvm28304@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309071730.h87HUvm28304@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062962513.12261.15.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 10:30, Alan Cox wrote: > > Unfortunately, it does not: > > # rpm --rebuilddb > > error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 920 Header V3 DSA signature: > > BAD, key ID 897da07a > > error: db4 error(16) from dbenv->remove: Device or resource busy > > > > For the record, I'm using rpm-4.2.1-0.11 and up2date-3.1.46-2. Do you > > think upgrading these to the rawhide versions would fix the problem? > > I dont know. One for bugzilla And/or check the changelog in the rpm. I have yet to see a fix for the db4 locking hang. If they have fixed it, they need to issue a general fix. It has been a problem for a while now. Sometimes I think there is a reason that the RPM version numbers are 404, 411, and 420. (4:20 being the most appropriate.) -- Alan From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Sep 7 19:43:16 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 21:43:16 +0200 Subject: RHN Icon not working In-Reply-To: <1062962489.1938.7.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1062962489.1938.7.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1062963795.13175.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 21:21, Mike Chambers wrote: > My RHN icon doesn't want to start. Here is the output of the command > via CLI.. > > [mike at bart mike]$ rhn-applet-gui > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/rhn-applet-gui", line 41, in ? > main() > File "/usr/bin/rhn-applet-gui", line 37, in main > applet = rhn_applet.rhnApplet() > File "/usr/bin/../share/rhn/rhn_applet/rhn_applet.py", line 143, in > __init__ > self.session = gnome.ui.gnome_master_client() > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'gnome_master_client' > > Using rhn-applet-2.0.10-5 from rawhide. > > Any ideas? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103871 -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 7 Sep 2003, Alan wrote: >On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 10:30, Alan Cox wrote: >> > Unfortunately, it does not: >> > # rpm --rebuilddb >> > error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 920 Header V3 DSA signature: >> > BAD, key ID 897da07a >> > error: db4 error(16) from dbenv->remove: Device or resource busy >> > >> > For the record, I'm using rpm-4.2.1-0.11 and up2date-3.1.46-2. Do you >> > think upgrading these to the rawhide versions would fix the problem? >> >> I dont know. One for bugzilla > >And/or check the changelog in the rpm. > >I have yet to see a fix for the db4 locking hang. If they have fixed >it, they need to issue a general fix. It has been a problem for a while >now. > >Sometimes I think there is a reason that the RPM version numbers are >404, 411, and 420. (4:20 being the most appropriate.) > > -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From ghenriks at rogers.com Sun Sep 7 19:58:32 2003 From: ghenriks at rogers.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 15:58:32 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBAE@amphussbs.amphus.com> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBAE@amphussbs.amphus.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:51:02 -0700, you wrote: >I would just like to point out, if anyone from Red Hat is listening, do you >see what this trouble is all about? Do you get my point now? > >These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get BASIC MULTIMEDIA support >on their Red Hat system! Another way of viewing this is to put pressure on the people creating these various multimedia apps to stop adding new stuff and make their current offerings more polished. Many of these "troubles" would likely go away if someone took the time to create descriptive error messages, useful help systems, and cleaned up some of the mess that the current systems are. Why should it be up to Red Hat and the other distributions to figure out the mess that is installing these apps? From kevymac at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 20:03:42 2003 From: kevymac at yahoo.com (Kevin McConnell) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBAE@amphussbs.amphus.com> Message-ID: <20030907200342.78027.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Joseph Phillips wrote: > These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get > BASIC MULTIMEDIA support > on their Red Hat system! > > Shall I rest my case? There is still the licensing problem that exists. This can't ever be changed.... especially when patent laws are being broken. Red Hat would be held liable if they released software that contained proprietary and illegal software. ===== Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- Freedom in software, now freedom in life. http://www.freestateproject.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From mike at netlyncs.com Sun Sep 7 20:24:50 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 15:24:50 -0500 Subject: RHN Icon not working In-Reply-To: <1062963795.13175.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062962489.1938.7.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1062963795.13175.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062966290.1938.13.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 14:43, F??liciano Matias wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103871 Thanks, that did the trick. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "I'd insult you, but you wouldn't know the difference!" From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 20:35:02 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 07 Sep 2003 17:35:02 -0300 Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: <24410.208.4.19.185.1062950839.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <24410.208.4.19.185.1062950839.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: On Sep 7, 2003, wrote: > Up2date works again since updating the RHNS-CA-CERT files, but it keeps > saying I need to upgrade aspell and xemacs-el. I had to run `rpm -U --replacepkgs ' on these two packages to get up2date to understand that these packages were already installed. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From kevymac at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 20:41:27 2003 From: kevymac at yahoo.com (Kevin McConnell) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <1062951811.12655.16.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20030907204127.90650.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> --- seth vidal wrote: > Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of > the banks took this > risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the > case not against a > piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss > to VIEW dvds on a > non-windows,non-macintosh platform. I would personally rather let them rot in their own hell with their closed source trap and let them play their games with trying to stop software pirating and every other evil closed source has created. Let them deal with making things worse, instead of opening things to make them better. The difference between closed source companies and open source companies, is that closed source companies are interested in ONLY one thing: Making money. Open Source companies are interested in not only making money, but also having their platform progress and become faster and better. Let's face it, most developers that start out working for open source projects, start out because they enjoy what they do, not because they're getting paid. Which do you think will work better in the end? ===== Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- Freedom in software, now freedom in life. http://www.freestateproject.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 20:41:34 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: 07 Sep 2003 22:41:34 +0200 Subject: libsrvg failed dependecies In-Reply-To: <1062816279.4472.1.camel@suburbia> References: <1062816279.4472.1.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <1062967293.19404.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 04:44, Joshua Legbandt wrote: > received the following when updating librsvg2 from rawhide: > -(~/tmp/redhat/rawhide) # rpm -Uvh librsvg2-devel-2.3.1-2.i386.rpm > librsvg2-2.3.1-2.i386.rpm > warning: librsvg2-devel-2.3.1-2.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key > ID e418e3aa > error: Failed dependencies: > librsvg2 = %{epoch}:2.3.1-2 is needed by librsvg2-devel-2.3.1-2 > zsh: 4722 exit 2 rpm -Uvh librsvg2-devel-2.3.1-2.i386.rpm > librsvg2-2.3.1-2.i386.rpm Fixed (not by me) in librsvg2-2.3.1-3 Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From veillard at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 20:57:51 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:57:51 -0400 Subject: RHN Icon not working In-Reply-To: <1062966290.1938.13.camel@bart.netlyncs.com>; from mike@netlyncs.com on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 03:24:50PM -0500 References: <1062962489.1938.7.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <1062963795.13175.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062966290.1938.13.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20030907165751.C1138@redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 03:24:50PM -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 14:43, F??liciano Matias wrote: > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103871 > > Thanks, that did the trick. good :-) Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 7 21:01:12 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:01:12 -0500 Subject: Dia not working because of libxslt Message-ID: <1062968472.3720.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was trying to use dia and when I try to open it says: Could not load XSLT library (/usr/lib/libxslt.so) : /usr/lib/libxslt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I checked and it's right, but I have libxslt.so.1 that points to libxslt.so.1.0.32 I made a link from libxslt.so to libxslt.so.1 and everything was fine. The package is libxslt-1.0.32 From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 21:04:09 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: 07 Sep 2003 23:04:09 +0200 Subject: CD burning with Nautilus, was: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062430124.22264.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062430124.22264.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062968648.19404.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Sorry for stepping up so late (I've been on vacation). On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 17:28, Alexander Larsson wrote: > One comment about the current music cd burning abilities. This is very > limiting and will in the future be removed in favour of a "burn > playlist" button in the media player (rhythmbox for instance). Excuse me, but this is more than counterintuitive -- I asked my wife where she would look for something to burn her music on CD and it was definitely not the music player -- and she is an end user (beat this ;-). Funny enough, she would expect a CD-burning application which kinda makes sense since the task probably gets perceived rather as "burn a CD" (with whatever contents) than as "do XYZ with my music" or "do XYZ with my data" -- putting a medium in the drive could be more "tangible" than shuffling bits around, but I'm getting philosophic... > There just isn't any sane way to handle ordering of the songs in the > nautilus UI. Plus you want to know things like total play time and have > easy preview of the songs. Hypothetically asked (meaning I don't want you to commit to anything): Would it be that hard to implement a new Nautilus view which were aware of ordering and other stuff needed for that? Of course (Havoc will hate that) it would need to expose some of the innards of audio CDs and CD-ROMs, red, orange and other coloured books to the user, but I guess this could be done easy for easy tasks (copying whole audio+data CDs, burning ISOs, burning just data) and still provide means to do more sophisticated stuff... But probably I'm the wrong person to ask -- getting ACL support into Nautilus wasn't as easy as I thought either ;-). If it'd be doable, I'd try my luck though (if time permits). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 7 21:05:05 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:05:05 -0500 Subject: Mr Project 0.9-5 not working Message-ID: <1062968705.3720.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> When I try to open MrProject it says: mrproject: relocation error: /usr/lib/mrproject/views/libresources-view.so: undefined symbol: mrp_project_get_properties Does anyone have any idea? From alan at clueserver.org Sun Sep 7 21:05:47 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 07 Sep 2003 14:05:47 -0700 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <20030907162917.GA5958@redhat.com> References: <1062884069.27310.17.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> <20030907162917.GA5958@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062968747.12537.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 09:29, Dave Jones wrote: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0700, Alan wrote: > > I am trying to get Severn installed on a Sony 505ve laptop. I have > > installed a number of other versions on it with no problem. > > > > "linux ide1=0x180" does not work either. (Which used to be the fix for > > this problem on older installs.) > > On my z600 (which is just a European version of the 505) > I had to pass.. > ide1=0x180,0x386 pci=off > > It then worked just fine.. That did the trick. I had tried everything except the "pci=off". It is installing now. (Fairly slowly, but installing. I need a new laptop...) -- Alan From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 21:45:28 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <1062968747.12537.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> from "Alan" at Med 07, 2003 02:05:47 Message-ID: <200309072145.h87LjSQ12066@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > It then worked just fine.. > > That did the trick. I had tried everything except the "pci=off". It is > installing now. (Fairly slowly, but installing. I need a new > laptop...) The pci=off will slow the install a lot but is neccessary right now. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Sep 7 21:51:53 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:51:53 +0200 Subject: Mr Project 0.9-5 not working In-Reply-To: <1062968705.3720.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062968705.3720.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1062971512.9414.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dim 07/09/2003 ? 23:05, Santiago Erquicia a ?crit : > When I try to open MrProject it says: > > mrproject: relocation error: > /usr/lib/mrproject/views/libresources-view.so: undefined symbol: > mrp_project_get_properties > > > Does anyone have any idea? > Not yet fixed : http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103614 > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Before Redhat 9 it "just worked". -- Alan From dsavage at peaknet.net Sun Sep 7 22:02:50 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Preserving evolution mail during OS changes Message-ID: <24623.208.4.19.185.1062972170.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Before doing a fresh install of Severn on my laptop, I copied a tarball of my home directory to another system. After Severn was intalled, I restored my ~/evolution/ subdirectory from that tarball, and also reviewed my send & receive mail configs. This restored all old e-mail and folders. Inbound e-mail resumed immediately, but I am unable to send evolution e-mail thru my ISP as before. Every time I try to send a test message I get the following error: Error while performing operation: MAIL FROM response error: Command unrecognized: "" NOTE: If there are any interested sendmail+evolution gurus reading this, I can provide a Send/Receive session captured with Ethereal for diagnosis. I'm not running a local DNS, and my home network gateway provides DHCP and NAT services. /etc/resolv.conf points to my ISP's nameservers. Fortunately my ISP offers RHL's squirrelmail web client to its subscribers. I must now use that service to compose and send all outbound e-mail (like now), but it's a PITB. Did I fail to do something I should have when restoring my evolution files? Some dumb configuration setting I forgot? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Sun Sep 7 22:04:32 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:04:32 +0200 Subject: Dia not working because of libxslt In-Reply-To: <1062968472.3720.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062968472.3720.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030908000432.22542981.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:01:12 -0500, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > I was trying to use dia and when I try to open it says: > > Could not load XSLT library (/usr/lib/libxslt.so) : > /usr/lib/libxslt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > > I checked and it's right, but I have libxslt.so.1 that points to > libxslt.so.1.0.32 > > I made a link from libxslt.so to libxslt.so.1 and everything was fine. > > The package is libxslt-1.0.32 The symbolic link is contained in the `libxslt-devel' package. Perhaps an incorrect/incomplete dependency? $ rpm -q --requires dia | grep xslt libxslt $ --Kai From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Sep 7 22:05:43 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:05:43 +0200 Subject: GPG pubkeys In-Reply-To: <3F5B9BB9.1636.BCD53@localhost> References: <3F5B9BB9.1636.BCD53@localhost> Message-ID: <20030908000543.20e58e01.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:57:29 +0200, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > If I import the GPG pubkeys available via > http://www.redhat.com/solutions/security/news/publickey.html I see that the > versions from Red Hat and MIT have different version numbers when I import > them into rpm (fe compare http://www.redhat.com/security/650d5882.txt and > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x650D5882). Why is this? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90952 - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/W6u30iMVcrivHFQRAlvsAJsFaeQgz/72T8MSqdMwxO1HuVbPewCfYWEq Rgod5I7xI4+uqfHWiWzWJGY= =0iA8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jorton at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 22:24:21 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:24:21 +0100 Subject: Follow-up: problem loading php dynamic libraries In-Reply-To: <20030904094754.GA23888@redhat.com> References: <1062550724.19204.7.camel@bushido> <20030904094754.GA23888@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030907222421.GA26973@redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 10:47:54AM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 07:58:44AM +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > As reported by Dave in msg01083: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg01083.html > > > > I have ascertained that something PHP builds against broke sometime > > after PHP 4.3.2-6 was built but before PHP 4.3.2-7 was; the former > > worked fine but upon upgrading to PHP 4.3.2-7, no dynamic libraries > > work. > > > > I have tried rebuilding PHP 4.3.2-7 and -5 but the symptom persists. > > This is rather annoying as I have to rebuild PHP with dBase support to > > migrate an old database, and now I could get dBase to work (rebuild > > source RPM with --enable-dbase in the spec file) but MySQL is broken. > > The problem is that the symbols aren't exported by libphp4.so when they > should be - it's not yet clear to me why this happens. You're saying > that if you *rebuild* -5 then it also has this problem? (Whereas the > original -5 package worked) OK, I tracked this down. If you edit the spec file and remove the "--enable-versioning" line and rebuild it will work; alternatively back down to libtool 1.4.x. PHP relied on a feature of libtool not being implemented correctly; libtool 1.5 does implement it correctly, so PHP broke. php-4.3.3-2 will have the fix in Raw Hide. Regards, joe From msw at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 22:27:41 2003 From: msw at redhat.com (Matt Wilson) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 18:27:41 -0400 Subject: Severn text installer problem In-Reply-To: ; from jefftl@cox.net on Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 09:42:00PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030907182741.B12920@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 09:42:00PM -0500, Jeff Anonymous wrote: > I'm running a Dell Dimension 8250 (512 MB RAM, PS/2 keyboard, Intellimouse > Explorer with PS/2 adapter, aftermarket modified only to have a real Audigy > 2) and cannot get Severn to acknowledge my keystrokes at the language > selection menu in text installer (I am trying to install over FTP). RH8 > installs fine, and last time I tried, 9 installed well, too. What can I do? There might be problems with the PS/2 adapter and the kernel. It may be one of the new boxes that emulates the traditional PS/2 controller in firmware using SMI. Do you have a USB keyboard laying around? Cheers, Matt msw at redhat.com -- Matt Wilson Manager, Base Operating Systems Red Hat, Inc. From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Sun Sep 7 22:31:27 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:31:27 +0200 Subject: Preserving evolution mail during OS changes In-Reply-To: <24623.208.4.19.185.1062972170.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <24623.208.4.19.185.1062972170.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <20030908003127.2887fd63.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:02:50 -0500 (CDT), dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > Before doing a fresh install of Severn on my laptop, I copied a > tarball of my home directory to another system. After Severn was > intalled, I restored my ~/evolution/ subdirectory from that tarball, > and also reviewed my send& receive mail configs. > > This restored all old e-mail and folders. Inbound e-mail resumed > immediately, but I am unable to send evolution e-mail thru my ISP as > before. Every time I try to send a test message I get the following > error: > > Error while performing operation: > MAIL FROM response error: Command unrecognized: "" Google found this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution at lists.ximian.com/msg03317.html HTH, --Kai From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 22:49:23 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 18:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <1062971787.12537.8.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> from "Alan" at Med 07, 2003 02:56:27 Message-ID: <200309072249.h87MnNb30950@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 14:45, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > It then worked just fine.. > > > > > > That did the trick. I had tried everything except the "pci=off". It is > > > installing now. (Fairly slowly, but installing. I need a new > > > laptop...) > > > > The pci=off will slow the install a lot but is neccessary right now. > > Any ideas as to why (other than it not working otherwise)? Before > Redhat 9 it "just worked". Its to do with whether we probe for cardbus. The bios seems to set up the cardbus IDE controller magically as it were onboard. When we touch the pci socket code we reconfigure the cardbus, but don't discover the cardbus controller for some reason. Alan From michal at harddata.com Sun Sep 7 23:01:16 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:01:16 -0600 Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: ; from smoogen@lanl.gov on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:47:55PM -0600 References: <1062962513.12261.15.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <20030907170116.A21170@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:47:55PM -0600, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > The db4 locking hang has been fixed for quite some time in Severn and > rpm.org. I do not know the inside political reasons why Red Hat hasnt > issued the fix as an errata.. I used a version from rpm.org on RH9 installation. Indeed db4 locking seems to be ok, usually, but for a change 'rpm --rebuilddb' ends up with an error. I do not have that machine around so I cannot quote. Fortunately 'LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.5 rpm --rebuilddb' saves the situation. So it seems that the fix is not really complete. Michal From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Sun Sep 7 23:12:04 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 01:12:04 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:23:35 EDT." <200309062323.h86NNZD14755@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309072312.BAA15166@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> > That would be a useful experiment to be sure it is a glibc issue. Well, I guess it's not a glibc issue. I tried a simpler thing: I booted an older kernel. I still had a couple kernels from RH 9 installed, specifically: kernel-2.4.20-18.9 and kernel-2.4.20-19.9. When booting either of these, heroes3 works fine. It's only when I boot Severn's kernel (kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl) that the crash occurs. So I guess "something" changed in the kernel which somehow displeases heroes3... I'd be happy to try any patch... ;-) Cheers, Christian From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 23:25:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309072312.BAA15166@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> from "Christian Iseli" at Med 08, 2003 01:12:04 Message-ID: <200309072325.h87NP8P07170@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > When booting either of these, heroes3 works fine. It's only when I boot > Severn's kernel (kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl) that the crash occurs. > > So I guess "something" changed in the kernel which somehow displeases > heroes3... > > I'd be happy to try any patch... ;-) Ok can you try a completely vanilla kernel (say 2.4.22). The RH kernel changes some aspects of the application memory layout and does a few other things that *ought* 8) to be harmless From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Sun Sep 7 23:31:32 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 01:31:32 +0200 Subject: GPG pubkeys In-Reply-To: <20030908000543.20e58e01.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F5B9BB9.1636.BCD53@localhost> Message-ID: <3F5BDBF4.30049.106BCC1@localhost> Hello Michael, > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90952 Ok, so it is an rpm problem, and not a faq up at mit.edu ;). Thanks. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From barryn at pobox.com Sun Sep 7 23:31:44 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:31:44 -0700 Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: <200309071608.h87G8YX06347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <24410.208.4.19.185.1062950839.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> <200309071608.h87G8YX06347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030907233144.GG16051@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:08:34PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > > Is anyone else seeing this? > > I'm seeing rpm corrupting databases on 586 but not 686 systems Is this with futex-enabled kernels (i.e., 2.6 or the RH 9 and above Red Hat 2.4 kernels)? glibc is only using NPTL on 686, not 586, and I've seen RPM corrupt databases when NPTL is not being used, but not when NPTL is being used. (I actually found some Really Dumb Things(tm) that create corruption with NPTL absent but not with NPTL present, and I bugzilla'd them a number of months ago. I'll dig up the bug numbers in a few days.) I've compiled Red Hat 9 glibc RPMs with NPTL enabled for i486 (and thus i586). They're available here: http://math.uci.edu/~bnathan/linux/glibc/glibc-2.3.2-27.9.2bkn/ They haven't been tested on real i586 hardware (yet). If you're seeing RPM corrupting databases on i586 machines running Red Hat 9, you might want to try these RPMs (if you have time, of course). If you're seeing the corruption on severn or rawhide, wait a few days and I'll try to look at enabling NPTL on sub-i686 stuff with rawhide's glibc. (If anyone else wants to go ahead and do that instead of waiting for me, that's fine too.) -Barry K. Nathan From ckloiber at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 23:33:15 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:33:15 -0400 Subject: Ximian Evolution does not response when I want to close it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062977595.28722.12.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 08:37, ? ? wrote: > hi, everyone. > > The Evolution 1.4.4-5 does not response any more when I want to close it. > The message is like this: > > > The window "Summary - Ximian Evolution" is not responding. > > Forcing this application to quit will cause you to lose any unsaved > changes. > > I then choose Force quit. > and then I could still see evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-wombat > still exist by Syetem Monitor. > So I need to end the two processes and then restart evolution. > And when I close it again. The problem comes again. :( > > Is there anyone who also encounter this problem? I have already update my > severn to the newest version. > > Best Regards. > hutigers I'm seeing it too. Fortunately 'killev' lives, it's just not on the path anymore: # /usr/libexec/evolution/1.4/killev -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From ckloiber at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 23:38:54 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:38:54 -0400 Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: <200309071608.h87G8YX06347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309071608.h87G8YX06347@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062977933.28722.17.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 12:08, Alan Cox wrote: > > "Test install failed because of package conflicts: > > package aspell-0.50.3-15 is already installed > > package xemacs-3l-21.4.13-4 is already installed" > > > > I've run 'up2date -p' multiple times, but the problem persists. When I > > check the version of up2date itself, I get this: > > Does rpm --rebuilddb fix this ? > > > Is anyone else seeing this? > > I'm seeing rpm corrupting databases on 586 but not 686 systems I see that on athlon and smp i686, I fix it by running: # rpm -e --nodeps aspell xemacs-el ; up2date aspell xemacs-el -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From barryn at pobox.com Sun Sep 7 23:42:03 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:42:03 -0700 Subject: Testing NPTL on i586 [was: What is minimum RAM to install?] In-Reply-To: <3F4A6602.E872843D@gmx.de> References: <20030824181627.GT29323@rednote.net> <20030824221619.0578695b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <040f01c36a7f$cf0618e0$2eedfea9@kittycat> <20030825011112.GF16051@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F4A6602.E872843D@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20030907234203.GH16051@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:39:46PM +0200, Martin Stricker wrote: > "Barry K. Nathan" wrote: > > > http://math.uci.edu/~bnathan/linux/glibc/glibc-2.3.2-27.9.2bkn/ > > > > The i486 packages seem to work on an i686 box. I no longer have any > > real i486 or i586 boxes, and when I posted about this on rpm-list, > > nobody with an i586 box ever replied to me. If nobody tries this on > > a real i586 box, I could try to emulate an i586 one way or another, > > but that's another thing I haven't had time to do yet. > > I'm typing this on a *real* i586 (Intel Pentium 166 MMX). I can do a > fresh install of RHL 9 here (empty 4 GB partition). Please tell me what > to do for the test, and I'll do it, maybe next weekend. Sorry, I didn't have a chance to reply earlier. I guess you should install RHL 9 on an i[45]86, then rpm -Uvh glibc-2.3.2-27.9.2bkn.i486.rpm, glibc-common-2.3.2-27.9.2bkn.i386.rpm, and any other glibc RPMs needed to resolve dependencies. Then reboot (just to make sure things work afterward -- I'm guessing you'll see tons of segfaults if things are broken), and run the following command: getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION and make sure it responds with NPTL not linuxthreads. There might be other stuff to try for testing, but the above is a good start. -Barry K. Nathan From ckloiber at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 23:44:49 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:44:49 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062978289.28722.21.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 14:23, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > Well depending on how paranoid a business you are, Red Hat would need to > get permission from each company organization that originated the code. > IE Sun would have to give permission for Red Hat to link to its Java > engine sites, Real for the old player, Apple for quicktime codecs, etc > etc. [Knowing how quick their lawyers seem to jump on infringers who > have pocket books.. I would probably be paranoid.] Codeweavers does this kind of deep linking now with their plugin, but you could argue they don't have deep enough pockets to get sued (yet). -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 01:25:02 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:25:02 -0400 Subject: initscripts changes for 2.6 kernel support? In-Reply-To: ; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 11:21:07AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20030907212501.B21228@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Robert P. J. Day (rpjday at mindspring.com) said: > http://www.fearthecow.net/kernel.html > http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html > > and the changes suggested are (and at least one of them makes > definite sense since it would get rid of a constant boot-time > error annoyance): > > *** add support for sysfs mounting > *** change names of USB modules (which would get rid of the eternal > error of not finding keybdev and mousedev) > *** change all occurrences of "/proc/ksyms" -> "/proc/kallsyms" > > comments? as i mentioned, the renaming of the USB modules makes > *immediate* sense to me as i see its effect every time i boot. > > so, what's the status of initscripts and /etc/rc.sysinit regarding > these 2.6-related updates? thanks. That's about #44 on the todo list. Note that aside from the USB issue, I don't see any bugs in bugzilla about the others. *hint hint* That being said, *changing* the names of the usb modules is the wrong solution, as that promptly breaks booting 2.4. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 01:26:47 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:26:47 -0400 Subject: Error in redhat-config-network In-Reply-To: <1062946763.3781.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from erqu0001@d.umn.edu on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 09:59:23AM -0500 References: <1062946763.3781.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030907212647.C21228@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Santiago Erquicia (erqu0001 at d.umn.edu) said: > No, I'm using it as a normal user. I already filled a bug in bugzilla. > The problem is that it never ask for the root password. Do you have /usr/sbin in your path before /usr/bin? Bill From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Mon Sep 8 02:02:40 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 21:02:40 -0500 Subject: Error in redhat-config-network In-Reply-To: <20030907212647.C21228@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1062946763.3781.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030907212647.C21228@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1062986560.3715.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't have /usr/sbin at all in my path here is what prints printenv PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/santiago/bin I tried to put /usr/sbin in my path and everything is fine. On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 20:26, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Santiago Erquicia (erqu0001 at d.umn.edu) said: > > No, I'm using it as a normal user. I already filled a bug in bugzilla. > > The problem is that it never ask for the root password. > > Do you have /usr/sbin in your path before /usr/bin? > > Bill > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Sep 8 02:25:34 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 22:25:34 -0400 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla Message-ID: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> With kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl and Mozilla version 1.4-12, I cannot add information into the mailer or to the browser. This does not happen with kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. This is with the Athlon version of the kernel. This problem is similar to what happens on my 815 chipset computer with the kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl compiled for i686. What could be causing this problem? Is this more of a kernel, mozilla or a particular library? For the i686 computer, I am still trying to get it to work with mozilla. My curiousity is mainly brought up by the recent athlon failure. Jim (FYI: New ISP provider, was subscribed under jim-cornette at columbus.rr.com address before) -- Caution: Keep out of reach of children. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 8 02:47:09 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 22:47:09 -0400 Subject: *critical* bug in gdm-2.4.4.0-2 from rawhide? Message-ID: <200309072247.09502.elwoo@videotron.ca> I have now re-installed the Severn beta *twice*. What has happened is that after installing the latest updates from rawhide (to 06 Sep. 03), I cannot re-login. The GDM would complain that either an incorrect user ID or password was entered... however, I have *carefully* rechecked that I had entered the corredt PWD (since I even had it *written* down, and my user id name is just 3 letters long. Even attempting to login as root, I still could not login. I got the usual error message ( ... verify that your Caps lock isn't on, etc...) On my _most recent_ install (today, 07 Sep.), I made it a point NOT to download and update to gdm-2.4.4.0-2.i386.rpm. Has anyone else noticed this behavoir with this version of gdm? Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From davej at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 02:56:26 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 03:56:26 +0100 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 10:25:34PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > With kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl and Mozilla version 1.4-12, I > cannot add information into the mailer or to the browser. This does not > happen with > kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. This is with the Athlon version of the > kernel. > > This problem is similar to what happens on my 815 chipset computer with > the kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl compiled for i686. > > What could be causing this problem? Is this more of a kernel, mozilla or > a particular library? Odd that only occurs with that kernel. Could be nptl related maybe. There's a new kernel going to appear sometime tomorrow, see if its repeatable with that. If so, file a bugzilla report. As a heads up to folks, the version number of tomorrows kernel changes in a way that may cause up2date to think a newer kernel is already installed (moving from 2.4.22-20.1.2024 to 2.4.22.1.2030), you may have to manually install this one with rpm. Time will tell.. 8) Apologies for this hiccup. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Sep 8 03:22:51 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (redhat-jc) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:22:51 -0400 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F5BF60B.8050308@insight.rr.com> Dave Jones wrote: >On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 10:25:34PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > With kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl and Mozilla version 1.4-12, I > > cannot add information into the mailer or to the browser. This does not > > happen with > > kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. This is with the Athlon version of the > > kernel. > > > > This problem is similar to what happens on my 815 chipset computer with > > the kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl compiled for i686. > > > > What could be causing this problem? Is this more of a kernel, mozilla or > > a particular library? > >Odd that only occurs with that kernel. Could be nptl related maybe. >There's a new kernel going to appear sometime tomorrow, see if its >repeatable with that. If so, file a bugzilla report. > >As a heads up to folks, the version number of tomorrows kernel changes >in a way that may cause up2date to think a newer kernel is already >installed (moving from 2.4.22-20.1.2024 to 2.4.22.1.2030), you may >have to manually install this one with rpm. Time will tell.. 8) >Apologies for this hiccup. > > Dave > > > I'll try that version tomorrow then. I can use the thunderbird standalone mailer on my desktop computer successfully (i686 and 815 chipset based). My last message was on mozilla mailer with the older kernel. I'll see if the problem is still present with the newer kernel version on the athlon. The desktop fails with both kernel versions. Jim From pgraner at redhat.com Sun Sep 7 23:24:45 2003 From: pgraner at redhat.com (Pete Graner) Date: 07 Sep 2003 19:24:45 -0400 Subject: evolution binary size In-Reply-To: <1062803804.2524.8.camel@tiger> References: <1062803804.2524.8.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1062971190.1575.1.camel@zorak> Check to see if its stripped file /usr/bin/evolution /usr/bin/evolution: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Notice the stripped. My guess is that is not. Pete On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 19:16, Louis Garcia wrote: > Anyone know why evolution-1.4.4-3 was 9914260 bites and > evolution-1.4.4-5 from rawhide is 28103054 bites? > > --Lou > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- Pete Graner Red Hat Enterprise Architect Office: 703-464-1220 Mobile: 703-727-6336 Red Hat Inc. 1608 Spring Hill Road, Suite 350 Vienna, VA 22182 www.redhat.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tcallawa at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 03:41:06 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: 07 Sep 2003 22:41:06 -0500 Subject: Ximian Evolution does not response when I want to close it. In-Reply-To: <1062977595.28722.12.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> References: <1062977595.28722.12.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> Message-ID: <1062992466.9636.5.camel@zorak> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 18:33, Chris Kloiber wrote: > I'm seeing it too. Fortunately 'killev' lives, it's just not on the path > anymore: > > # /usr/libexec/evolution/1.4/killev *laugh* I wrote a shell script to replace killev because I thought it was gone. [spot at zorak spot]$ ls -lh /usr/libexec/evolution/1.4/killev -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8.8K Jul 14 10:38 /usr/libexec/evolution/1.4/killev [spot at zorak spot]$ ls -lh /sbin/killev -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 165 Aug 25 11:03 /sbin/killev Evo could save over 8K of space if they switched to my bash script. ;) ~spot From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Sep 8 03:45:28 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:45:28 -0400 Subject: Ximian Evolution does not response when I want to close it. In-Reply-To: <1062992466.9636.5.camel@zorak> References: <1062977595.28722.12.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> <1062992466.9636.5.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <1062992728.23230.3.camel@binkley> > > [spot at zorak spot]$ ls -lh /usr/libexec/evolution/1.4/killev > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8.8K Jul 14 10:38 > /usr/libexec/evolution/1.4/killev > [spot at zorak spot]$ ls -lh /sbin/killev > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 165 Aug 25 11:03 /sbin/killev > > Evo could save over 8K of space if they switched to my bash script. ;) > What's the difference b/t killev and evolution --force-shutdown? -sv From dsavage at peaknet.net Mon Sep 8 03:46:45 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:46:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Preserving evolution mail during OS changes Message-ID: <1050.208.4.19.70.1062992805.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 17:31, Kai Thomsen wrote: > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:02:50 -0500 (CDT), dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > > > Before doing a fresh install of Severn on my laptop, I copied a > > tarball of my home directory to another system. After Severn was > > intalled, I restored my ~/evolution/ subdirectory from that tarball, > > and also reviewed my send& receive mail configs. > > > > This restored all old e-mail and folders. Inbound e-mail resumed > > immediately, but I am unable to send evolution e-mail thru my ISP as > > before. Every time I try to send a test message I get the following > > error: > > > > Error while performing operation: > > MAIL FROM response error: Command unrecognized: "" > > Google found this thread: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution at lists.ximian.com/msg03317.html Kai, My Ethereal trace is very similar to the one in that thread. Note step 10: 1. My client initiates a SMTP session with a TCP 3-way handshake to my ISP's SMTP server's standard smtp port: lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [SYN] Seq=3593689985 Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0 smtp.peaknet.net lioness TCP smtp > 32818 [SYN, ACK] Seq=3480868317 Ack=3593689986 Win=5792 Len=0 lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [ACK] Seq=3593689986 Ack=3480868318 Win=5840 Len=0 2. The server responds, identifying itself with a welcome banner: smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 220 nsi01.peaknet.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:50:33 -0500 3. My client acknowledge that response: lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [ACK] Seq=3593689986 Ack=3480868403 Win=5840 Len=0 4. My client tells the server it understands SMTP extensions: lioness smtp.peaknet.net SMTP Command: EHLO e *** NOTE: My client's name is not 'e' *** 5. The server sends a TCP ACK of the EHLO command: smtp.peaknet.net lioness TCP smtp > 32818 [ACK] Seq=3480868403 Ack=3593689995 Win=5792 Len=0 6. The server responds to the EHLO command, indicating it is ready to proceed: smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 250-nsi01.peaknet.net Hello as1-6-187.peaknet.net [208.4.19.187], pleased to meet you 7. My client sends a TCP ACK of that response: lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [ACK] Seq=3593689995 Ack=3480868643 Win=6432 Len=0 8. Preliminaries complete, my client starts the send mail cycle: lioness smtp.peaknet.net SMTP Command: MAIL FROM: 9. The server validates my account: smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok 10. My client aborts (HUH???): lioness smtp.peaknet.net SMTP Command: QUIT 11. Both sides shut the down TCP connection: smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 221 2.0.0 nsi01.peaknet.net closing connection lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [RST] Seq=3593690034 Ack=0 Win=0 Len=0 smtp.peaknet.net lioness TCP smtp > 32818 [FIN, ACK] Seq=3480868737 Ack=3593690034 Win=5792 Len=0 lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [RST] Seq=3593690034 Ack=0 Win=0 Len=0 This suggests to me that (a) my evolution client is misconfigured, or (b) there's a bug in Severn's version of evolution. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Mon Sep 8 04:04:43 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 00:04:43 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <20030907215600.21403.19466.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030907215600.21403.19466.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F5BFFDB.9060109@ispaceonline.org> > --__--__-- > > Well depending on how paranoid a business you are, Red Hat would need to > get permission from each company organization that originated the code. > IE Sun would have to give permission for Red Hat to link to its Java > engine sites, Real for the old player, Apple for quicktime codecs, etc > etc. [Knowing how quick their lawyers seem to jump on infringers who > have pocket books.. I would probably be paranoid.] Perhaps, just perhaps you're all thinking about this all wrong. Instead of worrying about RedHat providing links to Java, and RealPlayer, etc. Perhaps instead we should be more worried about getting the vendors of said products to put prominent download links to their players on their website. Nothing is more frustrating than trying to find some burried link to the linux version of their codec. Note: I'm not fond of Macromedia's "installer" for their Flash plugin. I have this sinking feeling that I'll need to re-install it the next time I upgrade mozilla using the new RPM that'll come down the line. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Sep 8 04:26:21 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (redhat-jc) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 00:26:21 -0400 Subject: Preserving evolution mail during OS changes In-Reply-To: <1050.208.4.19.70.1062992805.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <1050.208.4.19.70.1062992805.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <3F5C04ED.1030208@insight.rr.com> dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: >On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 17:31, Kai Thomsen wrote: > > >>On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:02:50 -0500 (CDT), dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>Before doing a fresh install of Severn on my laptop, I copied a >>>tarball of my home directory to another system. After Severn was >>>intalled, I restored my ~/evolution/ subdirectory from that tarball, >>>and also reviewed my send& receive mail configs. >>> >>>This restored all old e-mail and folders. Inbound e-mail resumed >>>immediately, but I am unable to send evolution e-mail thru my ISP as >>>before. Every time I try to send a test message I get the following >>>error: >>> >>> Error while performing operation: >>> MAIL FROM response error: Command unrecognized: "" >>> >>> >>Google found this thread: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution at lists.ximian.com/msg03317.html >> >> > >Kai, > >My Ethereal trace is very similar to the one in that thread. Note step >10: > >1. My client initiates a SMTP session with a TCP 3-way handshake to my >ISP's SMTP server's standard smtp port: >lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [SYN] >Seq=3593689985 Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0 >smtp.peaknet.net lioness TCP smtp > 32818 [SYN, ACK] >Seq=3480868317 Ack=3593689986 Win=5792 Len=0 >lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [ACK] >Seq=3593689986 Ack=3480868318 Win=5840 Len=0 > >2. The server responds, identifying itself with a welcome banner: >smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 220 nsi01.peaknet.net >ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:50:33 -0500 > >3. My client acknowledge that response: >lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [ACK] >Seq=3593689986 Ack=3480868403 Win=5840 Len=0 > >4. My client tells the server it understands SMTP extensions: >lioness smtp.peaknet.net SMTP Command: EHLO e > > *** NOTE: My client's name is not 'e' *** > >5. The server sends a TCP ACK of the EHLO command: >smtp.peaknet.net lioness TCP smtp > 32818 [ACK] >Seq=3480868403 Ack=3593689995 Win=5792 Len=0 > >6. The server responds to the EHLO command, indicating it is ready to >proceed: >smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 250-nsi01.peaknet.net >Hello as1-6-187.peaknet.net [208.4.19.187], pleased to meet you > >7. My client sends a TCP ACK of that response: >lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [ACK] >Seq=3593689995 Ack=3480868643 Win=6432 Len=0 > >8. Preliminaries complete, my client starts the send mail cycle: >lioness smtp.peaknet.net SMTP Command: MAIL >FROM: > >9. The server validates my account: >smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 250 2.1.0 >... Sender ok > >10. My client aborts (HUH???): >lioness smtp.peaknet.net SMTP Command: QUIT > >11. Both sides shut the down TCP connection: >smtp.peaknet.net lioness SMTP Response: 221 2.0.0 >nsi01.peaknet.net closing connection >lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [RST] >Seq=3593690034 Ack=0 Win=0 Len=0 >smtp.peaknet.net lioness TCP smtp > 32818 [FIN, ACK] >Seq=3480868737 Ack=3593690034 Win=5792 Len=0 >lioness smtp.peaknet.net TCP 32818 > smtp [RST] >Seq=3593690034 Ack=0 Win=0 Len=0 > >This suggests to me that (a) my evolution client is misconfigured, or >(b) there's a bug in Severn's version of evolution. > >--Doc Savage > Fairview Heights, IL > > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > > Is this problem causing the inability to retrieve mail from the pop server? I tried retreiving mail on two different computers and neither one was able to pull down mail. They both kept asking for a password. I am not a regular evolution user, but I tried it because of my mozilla lockup problem. I haven't tried to send mail through evolution recently. (within a few months). I'm not sure if it works or not for smtp transfers. When I tried to close down evolution I got bug buddy up and it couldn't send out the bug report. I saved it to file and it is attached to this message. Has anyone else had evo completely crash? Jim -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Jim, As I said in my first post, I was able to receive e-mail immediately after restoring my ~/evolution directory from the tarball. I didn't say it that's a POP connection, but it is. The SMTP exchange detailed in my earlier message was actually interleaved with a POP3 exchange. I'm posting the whole 49-line Send/Receive exchange as an attachment to this message. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: capture.txt URL: From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Mon Sep 8 05:36:15 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:36:15 +0200 Subject: RH10 multimedia support References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F5B2169.7010802@earthlink.net> <000d01c3753b$839f20b0$152ea8c0@august> <3F5B7BD6.6020103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> Regarding the whole multimedia struggle: Wouldn't it be useful to to integrate the apt-get for rpm tool (perhaps in combination with synaptic) in the RH distro? (I'm a great fan of this software;-))In this case, you could push the responsibility to the user to install or not install critical software. Perhaps you could not fill out the /var/apt/sources.list to circumvent problems with lawyers. Besides all discussion here, I'm wondering about how the guys of SuSE are managing the multimedia problem: they have java integrated, and as far as I remember, for installation of the flash plugin, there is a small script that leads to the macromedia page (if not included in SUSE, there is such perl-script in the Knoppix-Livesystem at www.knoppix.de, so you could have a look at it) Greetings, Rainer From hosting at j2solutions.net Mon Sep 8 05:41:47 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:41:47 -0700 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <3F5B7BD6.6020103@earthlink.net> <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <200309072241.47555.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Sunday 07 September 2003 22:36, Rainer Hattenhauer uttered: > Regarding the whole multimedia struggle: > Wouldn't it be useful to to integrate the apt-get for rpm tool (perhaps in > combination with synaptic) in the RH distro? (I'm a great fan of this > software;-))In this case, you could push the responsibility to the user to > install or not install critical software. Perhaps you could not fill out > the /var/apt/sources.list to circumvent problems with lawyers. Yum is in rawhide, up2date can now access yum repositories, and maybe even apt repositories. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From pmatilai at welho.com Mon Sep 8 05:46:30 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:46:30 +0300 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309072241.47555.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <3F5B7BD6.6020103@earthlink.net> <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> <200309072241.47555.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1062999990.3f5c17b658730@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Jesse Keating : > On Sunday 07 September 2003 22:36, Rainer Hattenhauer uttered: > > Regarding the whole multimedia struggle: > > Wouldn't it be useful to to integrate the apt-get for rpm tool (perhaps > in > > combination with synaptic) in the RH distro? (I'm a great fan of this > > software;-))In this case, you could push the responsibility to the user > to > > install or not install critical software. Perhaps you could not fill out > > the /var/apt/sources.list to circumvent problems with lawyers. > > Yum is in rawhide, up2date can now access yum repositories, and maybe even > apt repositories. Up2date does support apt repositoritories now. And apt itself is supposed to appear in the distro as well at some point I'm told. -- - Panu - From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Mon Sep 8 05:50:46 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:50:46 +0200 Subject: RH10 multimedia support References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <3F5B7BD6.6020103@earthlink.net> <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> <200309072241.47555.hosting@j2solutions.net> <1062999990.3f5c17b658730@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <000901c375cd$27796b00$152ea8c0@august> > > Yum is in rawhide, up2date can now access yum repositories, and maybe even > > apt repositories. > > Up2date does support apt repositoritories now. And apt itself is supposed to > appear in the distro as well at some point I'm told. > Sounds quite nice, thank you for the info. Rainer From smoogen at lanl.gov Mon Sep 8 06:54:12 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: >Besides all discussion here, I'm wondering about how the guys of SuSE are >managing the multimedia problem: they have java integrated, and as far as I >remember, for installation of the flash plugin, there is a small script that >leads to the macromedia page (if not included in SUSE, there is such >perl-script in the Knoppix-Livesystem at www.knoppix.de, so you could have a >look at it) > They either have spent money on deals for it.. or they just don't care because they are European company and US sales are minor compared to Euro sales (so if they were forced to stop selling in the US it wouldnt matter.) -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From veillard at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 08:03:37 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 04:03:37 -0400 Subject: Dia not working because of libxslt In-Reply-To: <20030908000432.22542981.kai.thomsen@gmx.de>; from kai.thomsen@gmx.de on Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 12:04:32AM +0200 References: <1062968472.3720.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030908000432.22542981.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20030908040337.E1138@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 12:04:32AM +0200, Kai Thomsen wrote: > On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:01:12 -0500, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > > > I was trying to use dia and when I try to open it says: > > > > Could not load XSLT library (/usr/lib/libxslt.so) : > > /usr/lib/libxslt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > > directory > > > > I checked and it's right, but I have libxslt.so.1 that points to > > libxslt.so.1.0.32 > > > > I made a link from libxslt.so to libxslt.so.1 and everything was fine. > > > > The package is libxslt-1.0.32 > > The symbolic link is contained in the `libxslt-devel' package. Perhaps > an incorrect/incomplete dependency? > > $ rpm -q --requires dia | grep xslt > libxslt > $ It shouldn't have to require the -devel version ... It seems that /usr/lib/libxml2.so is owned by libxml2-devel and similary /usr/lib/libxslt.so is owned by libxslt-devel . I don't know how "normal" it is, my spec files have always been that way and that's the first time it raises an issue. I don't see why libxslt would give troubles and not libxml2 there is a lack of symetry I can't understand. I also don't see why dia binary references libsxslt.so instead of libxslt.so.1 , this assumes that potentially incompatible future releases of libxslt would break the binary. That's not good. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Mon Sep 8 08:51:33 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:51:33 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:25:08 EDT." <200309072325.h87NP8P07170@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309080851.KAA06357@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> > Ok can you try a completely vanilla kernel (say 2.4.22). Ok. heroes3 works just fine with vanilla 2.4.22. Just for the record, here is what I did: - grab 2.4.22 from local kernel.org mirror - copy Severn's kernel config as .config (cp /usr/src/linux-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl/configs/kernel-2.4.21-athlon.config .config) - make oldconfig - make dep; make bzImage; make modules - install the stuff, update lilo, and reboot - recompile and install nVidia's kernel module FWIW, kohan still bombs, so it must be suffering from something else. Given that it is also a static executable, it could be due to some other kernel change, or some nVidia peculiarities. I have another similar machine here, with vanilla RH 9, and kohan works there... > The RH kernel > changes some aspects of the application memory layout and does a few > other things that *ought* 8) to be harmless Well, it seems they are not completely harmless... 8) Cheers, Christian From pavelr at coresma.com Mon Sep 8 09:16:44 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:16:44 +0300 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309072325.h87NP8P07170@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309072325.h87NP8P07170@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F5C48FC.1060305@coresma.com> Alan Cox wrote: >> When booting either of these, heroes3 works fine. It's only when I boot >> Severn's kernel (kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl) that the crash occurs. >> >> So I guess "something" changed in the kernel which somehow displeases >> heroes3... >> >> I'd be happy to try any patch... ;-) > > Ok can you try a completely vanilla kernel (say 2.4.22). The RH kernel > changes some aspects of the application memory layout and does a few other > things that *ought* 8) to be harmless Can NPTL be disabled with 'nosysinfo' boot parameter like in RH 9? May be this also worth trying. Pavel. From alexl at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 09:21:02 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 08 Sep 2003 11:21:02 +0200 Subject: CD burning with Nautilus, was: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1062968648.19404.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062430124.22264.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062968648.19404.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063012862.2193.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 23:04, Nils Philippsen wrote: > Sorry for stepping up so late (I've been on vacation). > > On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 17:28, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > One comment about the current music cd burning abilities. This is very > > limiting and will in the future be removed in favour of a "burn > > playlist" button in the media player (rhythmbox for instance). > > Excuse me, but this is more than counterintuitive -- I asked my wife > where she would look for something to burn her music on CD and it was > definitely not the music player -- and she is an end user (beat this > ;-). Funny enough, she would expect a CD-burning application which kinda > makes sense since the task probably gets perceived rather as "burn a CD" > (with whatever contents) than as "do XYZ with my music" or "do XYZ with > my data" -- putting a medium in the drive could be more "tangible" than > shuffling bits around, but I'm getting philosophic... A cd burning application would be a pretty bad ui for burning an audio CD, since in them you can't easily listen to the tracks, find the music from your library, view id3 information, see how many minutes the current list of music is, etc. Unless of course this was a specific audio-burning-app. But then, if it were, it would be pretty close to a music player. The macos X music player iTunes has a burn button. End users seem to have no problem understanding it. > > There just isn't any sane way to handle ordering of the songs in the > > nautilus UI. Plus you want to know things like total play time and have > > easy preview of the songs. > > Hypothetically asked (meaning I don't want you to commit to anything): > Would it be that hard to implement a new Nautilus view which were aware > of ordering and other stuff needed for that? Of course (Havoc will hate > that) it would need to expose some of the innards of audio CDs and > CD-ROMs, red, orange and other coloured books to the user, but I guess > this could be done easy for easy tasks (copying whole audio+data CDs, > burning ISOs, burning just data) and still provide means to do more > sophisticated stuff... It is hard to get the ordering data from a audio-specific burn: view, and the view would be both hard to find, and quite a lot of work to write. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a world-famous moralistic jungle king with a passion for fast cars. She's a psychotic African-American queen of the dead with a song in her heart and a spring in her step. They fight crime! From wpilorz at bdk.pl Mon Sep 8 10:01:29 2003 From: wpilorz at bdk.pl (Wojtek Pilorz) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch Message-ID: Somewhere between RHL 6.2 and RHL 7.3 there was a patch added for util-linux which limits number of partitions which fdisk can handle to 15. (MAXIMUM_PARTS #define in fdisk.h changed from 60 to 16) My understanding is that this has been done to mask a bug in Microsoft Windows 2000 which goes into infinite loop going back and forth through the disk when it sees 16 or more partitions. With this patch user of RHL fdisk cannot make such MS-irritating disk setup. Unfortunately the patch limits usefulness of the system for users which do not use MS software or which use other workarounds (like using 0x85 Linux extended partition), and who need more than 15 partitions on IDE disk. I would be happy to see the patch mentioned either removed or modified in such a way, that it could be run-time disabled if a users insists. I would appreciate any thoughts and opionions. Best regards, Wojtek From hoyt at cavtel.net Mon Sep 8 09:56:04 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:56:04 -0400 Subject: CD burning with Nautilus, was: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1063012862.2193.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062968648.19404.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1063012862.2193.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309080556.04296.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Monday 08 September 2003 05:21 am, Alexander Larsson wrote: > The macos X music player iTunes has a burn button. End > users seem to have no problem understanding it. As I understand it, the GUIs for CD/DVD are mostly wrappers around the command-line tools, so that kind of functionality can be placed anywhere. Evolution could offer a "burn" button to archive email, for example. No one would have trouble understanding that function either. -- Hoyt From hoyt at cavtel.net Mon Sep 8 10:45:41 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:45:41 -0400 Subject: Severn and Wine and Emulators Message-ID: <200309080645.41174.hoyt@cavtel.net> Is the current Wine working with Severn? it got removed in RH9; any chance of it coming back? How about the emulators: plex86, bochs, Win4Lin, the Mac emulators. Anyone have them working? I have a report that VMware works. -- Hoyt From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 8 10:54:11 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: new issue related to 2.6.0-test4 kernels and nvidia Message-ID: for those who are, for personal enlightenment and edification, keeping up with the latest 2.6.0-test4 kernel, if you have an NVIDIA chipset and are moving up to bitkeeper version bk8 or bk9, you'll need to download the new patch to the NVIDIA driver from www.minion.de, which deals with the removal of a single symbol "kdev_val". i'm assuming that, if you've been following along until now, you're already familiar with the procedure to download the NVIDIA driver and apply that patch. rday From pmatilai at welho.com Mon Sep 8 11:06:32 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:06:32 +0300 Subject: Severn and Wine and Emulators In-Reply-To: <200309080645.41174.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200309080645.41174.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1063019192.3f5c62b8adf23@webmail.welho.com> Quoting HoytDuff : > Is the current Wine working with Severn? it got removed in RH9; any chance of > it coming back? > > How about the emulators: plex86, bochs, Win4Lin, the Mac emulators. Anyone > have them working? I have a report that VMware works. Haven't personally tried but it's been reported to work by users, see https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=255. Unfortunately nobody's done QA review of it yet so available only as src.rpm from Fedora :-/ -- - Panu - From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Mon Sep 8 11:13:14 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:13:14 +0200 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F5C806A.3553.32FCE4@localhost> Hello Wojtek, > My understanding is that this has been done to mask a bug in Microsoft > Windows 2000 which goes into infinite loop going back and forth through the > disk when it sees 16 or more partitions. The limit is up to and including 16 partitions (if you count the extended partition as one as well). My understanding is this has to do with the fact that SCSI can't handle more than 15 (16 if you count the extended partition as well) partitions. See the original comment in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch. I would also be happy if we got rid of this limitation, but since SCSI disks seem to require it logic needs to be added to distinguish between SCSI and IDE disks. Afaict this logic is currently not there, and I guess that is why Red Hat chose to take the safe maximum of 16 partitions. So I guess for now you just have to patch the patches and rebuild util-linux yourself. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 11:35:17 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: from "Wojtek Pilorz" at Med 08, 2003 12:01:29 Message-ID: <200309081135.h88BZHE18994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > My understanding is that this has been done to mask a bug in Microsoft > Windows 2000 which goes into infinite loop going back and forth > through the disk when it sees 16 or more partitions. I dont know about that bit but Linux itself has limits based on the number of allocated minor numbers with some devices. SCSI is one example. From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 11:36:16 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <3F5C48FC.1060305@coresma.com> from "Pavel Rosenboim" at Med 08, 2003 12:16:44 Message-ID: <200309081136.h88BaG019415@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > changes some aspects of the application memory layout and does a few other > > things that *ought* 8) to be harmless > > Can NPTL be disabled with 'nosysinfo' boot parameter like in RH 9? May > be this also worth trying. I very much doubt its NPTL. No-exec stuff or memory layout changes from PIE maybe From jakub at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 11:47:02 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:47:02 -0400 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309080851.KAA06357@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch>; from Christian.Iseli@licr.org on Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:51:33AM +0200 References: <200309072325.h87NP8P07170@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309080851.KAA06357@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> Message-ID: <20030908074702.Y11756@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:51:33AM +0200, Christian Iseli wrote: > > Ok can you try a completely vanilla kernel (say 2.4.22). > > Ok. heroes3 works just fine with vanilla 2.4.22. > Just for the record, here is what I did: > - grab 2.4.22 from local kernel.org mirror > - copy Severn's kernel config as .config > (cp /usr/src/linux-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl/configs/kernel-2.4.21-athlon.config .config) > - make oldconfig > - make dep; make bzImage; make modules > - install the stuff, update lilo, and reboot > - recompile and install nVidia's kernel module > > FWIW, kohan still bombs, so it must be suffering from something else. Given > that it is also a static executable, it could be due to some other kernel > change, or some nVidia peculiarities. I have another similar machine here, > with vanilla RH 9, and kohan works there... If it is a statically linked application dlopening libraries, then it will only work with the same glibc as it was linked against. Jakub From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 11:50:55 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> from "Rainer Hattenhauer" at Med 08, 2003 07:36:15 Message-ID: <200309081150.h88Bots25223@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > combination with synaptic) in the RH distro? (I'm a great fan of this > software;-))In this case, you could push the responsibility to the user to > install or not install critical software. Perhaps you could not fill out the > /var/apt/sources.list to circumvent problems with lawyers. Current up2date in rawhide does yum/apt > Besides all discussion here, I'm wondering about how the guys of SuSE are > managing the multimedia problem: they have java integrated, and as far as I > remember, for installation of the flash plugin, there is a small script that > leads to the macromedia page (if not included in SUSE, there is such > perl-script in the Knoppix-Livesystem at www.knoppix.de, so you could have a > look at it) You can license binary only Java and flash for the desktop. In the case of flash I believe its even a free(money) distribution license, but it is still *non free* and also only covers desktop not PDA. Thats a problem with the various x86 devices that are borderline PDA class nowdays. (I wish someone would hurry up and make a VIA C3 equivalent of my old PC110 palmtop PC but thats a side story.. 8)) Java is almost freed now, if you really care about it you might want to join the gcj projects. Alan From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Mon Sep 8 11:53:13 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:53:13 +0200 Subject: Preserving evolution mail during OS changes In-Reply-To: <1101.208.4.19.70.1062998002.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <1101.208.4.19.70.1062998002.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <20030908135313.27940746.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:13:22 -0500 (CDT), dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > The SMTP exchange detailed in my earlier message was actually > interleaved with a POP3 exchange. I'm posting the whole 49-line > Send/Receive exchange as an attachment to this message. Have you tried removing all leading and trailing whitespace, comments and blank lines from your /etc/hosts file, as mentioned in the referenced thread? Does it correct the hostname passed by the EHLO command? --Kai From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 8 11:54:38 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: small oops in 2.6.0-test4-bk9 Message-ID: again, for those staying on top of the test4 kernel series, there was a small typo that was introduced, according to its author, as a result of an editor configuration issue. in a nutshell (note the extraneous "R" that shouldn't be there): diff -Nru a/drivers/pcmcia/cs.c b/drivers/pcmcia/cs.c --- a/drivers/pcmcia/cs.c Sun Sep 7 17:04:33 2003 +++ b/drivers/pcmcia/cs.c Sun Sep 7 17:04:34 2003 @@ -1053,7 +1053,7 @@ /*====================================================================*/ -int pcmcia_deregister_clientR(client_handle_t handle) <-- bad "R" +int pcmcia_deregister_client(client_handle_t handle) { client_t **client; struct pcmcia_socket *s; rday From wpilorz at bdk.pl Mon Sep 8 12:26:54 2003 From: wpilorz at bdk.pl (Wojtek Pilorz) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: <3F5C806A.3553.32FCE4@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello Wojtek, > > > My understanding is that this has been done to mask a bug in Microsoft > > Windows 2000 which goes into infinite loop going back and forth through the > > disk when it sees 16 or more partitions. > > The limit is up to and including 16 partitions (if you count the extended > partition as one as well). > > My understanding is this has to do with the fact that SCSI can't handle > more than 15 (16 if you count the extended partition as well) partitions. > See the original comment in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch. Thank you for explanation; I should have checked source first and I cant see the logic you mention, too. > > I would also be happy if we got rid of this limitation, but since SCSI > disks seem to require it logic needs to be added to distinguish between > SCSI and IDE disks. Afaict this logic is currently not there, and I guess > that is why Red Hat chose to take the safe maximum of 16 partitions. So I > guess for now you just have to patch the patches and rebuild util-linux > yourself. Would something so simple as to check whether the name specified matches .*/hd[a-l] and only then allow up to 60 partitions would be acceptable for inclusion in RHL? > > Bye, > Leonard. > > -- > How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? > Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! > End all weapons of mass destruction. > Best regards, Wojtek From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 12:10:43 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Wojtek Pilorz wrote: > Would something so simple as to check whether the name specified matches > .*/hd[a-l] and only then allow up to 60 partitions would be acceptable for > inclusion in RHL? There are too many exceptions for the rule to be useful. I know it's a pain for the three people who have a need for more than 16 partitions per disk, but a custom-modified util-linux package is probably the best way in the short-term, and reducing the number of partitions is the best way in the long term. SCSI isn't going to die anytime soon. :) -- Elliot For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe. From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 12:19:55 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 08 Sep 2003 09:19:55 -0300 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 7, 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > As a heads up to folks, the version number of tomorrows kernel changes > in a way that may cause up2date to think a newer kernel is already > installed (moving from 2.4.22-20.1.2024 to 2.4.22.1.2030), you may > have to manually install this one with rpm. Time will tell.. 8) Unless there's an epoch that makes it look newer, this will indeed be the case. I don't see the point of this change though. Why not cal it 2.4.22-21.whatever or 20.2030, or even 20.1.2030, such that it is clearly newer than the already-released kernel? Version numbers shouldn't go back without a very good reason, IMHO. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Mon Sep 8 13:12:51 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Wojtek Pilorz wrote: > > > Would something so simple as to check whether the name specified matches > > .*/hd[a-l] and only then allow up to 60 partitions would be acceptable for > > inclusion in RHL? > > There are too many exceptions for the rule to be useful. > > I know it's a pain for the three people who have a need for more than 16 You could add one other person that would be interested in this feature (-;. Seriously, what would be an acceptable check for this. Is there a for sure way of looking at something in /proc, or using an ioctl to verify that a drive is an ide drive? If so, I or the person originally emailing would be happy to code such a patch. Cheers...james From davej at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 12:48:21 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:48:21 +0100 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:19:55AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Unless there's an epoch that makes it look newer, this will indeed be > the case. We can't/don't/won't use epoch in the kernel rpm. I'm not clear on the reasons, but Arjan turned a funny colour when I suggested the same. > I don't see the point of this change though. Why not cal > it 2.4.22-21.whatever or 20.2030, or even 20.1.2030, such that it is > clearly newer than the already-released kernel? because that number makes no sense to have in the revision string any more. > Version numbers shouldn't go back without a very good reason, IMHO. Welcome to rawhide. The fix is simple in this case at least, and doesn't break anything. *ponder*, how will the installer handle this if someone tries to update a beta1 install with a beta2 CD when that appears ? Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 8 12:48:37 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: reiser4 on severn and 2.6.0-test4-bk9?? Message-ID: has anyone been ambitious enough to apply the reiser4 patches to the latest 2.6.0-test4 kernel and play with reiser4? i ask since the instructions at www.namesys.com are a mite confusing. under DOWNLOAD, there's a link to "reiser for 2.6", which states that you should first apply the patches (note *plural* here) from http://www.namesys.com/snapshots . there are, in fact, two diff files there, but they have the puzzling names reiser4-kernelonly.diff (23k) reiser4.diff (2.6m) puzzling because i would have thought the patch file(s) would have been pretty much exclusively for patching the kernel. as a test, i applied the larger patch file, at which point, the smaller one *appeared* to be superfluous. so, can someone explain the difference between the two patch files, given that the smaller one seems unnecessary? or am i just misreading things? rday From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Mon Sep 8 12:55:04 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:55:04 -0400 Subject: up2date problems with aspell and xemacs-el In-Reply-To: References: <24410.208.4.19.185.1062950839.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <20030908125504.GA19952@ti19> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 05:35:02PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > I had to run `rpm -U --replacepkgs ' on these two packages to get > up2date to understand that these packages were already installed. I did that, and it had the desired effect, but this morning, I again see the same problem with: bash-2.05b-27.1 blas-3.0-22 control-center-2.3.5-2 lapack-3.0-22 redhat-config-securitylevel-1.2.3-1 redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.3-1 Regards, Bill Rugolsky From jdow at earthlink.net Mon Sep 8 12:59:33 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:59:33 -0700 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> Message-ID: <039d01c37609$0c954c00$2eedfea9@kittycat> Dave, does this mean that Red Hat is going off onto its own kernel tree for development? If not it would be a major boon to sanity if the kernel version at least preserved the "2.4.22-X" format so that it is clear where the kernel development version ends and the Red Hat versioning begins. Could you share with us some of the thought process that went into the new versioning scheme? (Of course, this begs the question by presuming there was a thought process rather than a Dilbertian Manager Decision behind it.) {^_^} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jones" > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:19:55AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > Unless there's an epoch that makes it look newer, this will indeed be > > the case. > > We can't/don't/won't use epoch in the kernel rpm. > I'm not clear on the reasons, but Arjan turned a funny colour when > I suggested the same. > > > I don't see the point of this change though. Why not cal > > it 2.4.22-21.whatever or 20.2030, or even 20.1.2030, such that it is > > clearly newer than the already-released kernel? > > because that number makes no sense to have in the revision string any more. > > > Version numbers shouldn't go back without a very good reason, IMHO. > > Welcome to rawhide. The fix is simple in this case at least, and doesn't > break anything. *ponder*, how will the installer handle this if someone > tries to update a beta1 install with a beta2 CD when that appears ? > > Dave > > -- > Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From pavelr at coresma.com Mon Sep 8 13:01:35 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:01:35 +0300 Subject: 2.6 test kernels and ACPI. Message-ID: <3F5C7DAF.60305@coresma.com> Hi, I'm using acpid with 2.6 test kernels (from Arjan's RPMs). After I installed the latest test4 kernel, acpid stopped working with error 'file /proc/acpi/events not found'. Did anything change in latest 2.6.0 tests? Pavel. From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Mon Sep 8 13:16:59 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:16:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > Welcome to rawhide. The fix is simple in this case at least, and doesn't > break anything. *ponder*, how will the installer handle this if someone > tries to update a beta1 install with a beta2 CD when that appears ? Plain beta1 to beta2 should work as beta1 had a 2.4.20-... kernel. The only people you annoy are those who have been tracking rawhide, and hopefully such people are sufficently knowledgable to be able to do it by hand (hint. rpm -ivh --oldpackage). I personally don't care as I have arjan's 2.6.0 test kernels around, so I have to do it by hand anyway, but this wouldn't be the first time that a beta contained package numbered higher that the final release (eg. some of the pre-shrike betas tried openldap 2.1.?, and shrike eventually shipped with a 2.0.? version). Michael Young From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 13:20:11 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 08 Sep 2003 10:20:11 -0300 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:19:55AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Unless there's an epoch that makes it look newer, this will indeed be >> the case. > We can't/don't/won't use epoch in the kernel rpm. Excellent. >> I don't see the point of this change though. Why not cal >> it 2.4.22-21.whatever or 20.2030, or even 20.1.2030, such that it is >> clearly newer than the already-released kernel? > because that number makes no sense to have in the revision string any more. IMHO they started making sense when the kernel 2.4.22-20.etc was pushed to RHN. Now we're sort of stuck with them. >> Version numbers shouldn't go back without a very good reason, IMHO. > Welcome to rawhide. The fix is simple in this case at least, and doesn't > break anything. *ponder*, how will the installer handle this if someone > tries to update a beta1 install with a beta2 CD when that appears ? I'd strongly suggest you to change it back to something that RPM recognizes as newer than the latest kernel in RHN Severn updates, and return to a sensible version numbering scheme on 2.4.23. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From ghenriks at rogers.com Mon Sep 8 13:21:22 2003 From: ghenriks at rogers.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:21:22 -0400 Subject: Severn and Wine and Emulators In-Reply-To: <200309080645.41174.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200309080645.41174.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:45:41 -0400, you wrote: >Is the current Wine working with Severn? it got removed in RH9; any chance of >it coming back? Wine works fine for me with Severn. From davej at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 13:21:31 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:21:31 +0100 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030908132131.GB646@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:20:11AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > Welcome to rawhide. The fix is simple in this case at least, and doesn't > > break anything. *ponder*, how will the installer handle this if someone > > tries to update a beta1 install with a beta2 CD when that appears ? > > I'd strongly suggest you to change it back to something that RPM > recognizes as newer than the latest kernel in RHN Severn updates, and > return to a sensible version numbering scheme on 2.4.23. We had this discussion a week ago internally. I see no reason to rehash it when we reached concensus to make the change. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From jefftl at cox.net Mon Sep 8 13:22:57 2003 From: jefftl at cox.net (Jeff Anonymous) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:22:57 -0500 Subject: Severn text installer problem In-Reply-To: <20030908042201.9897.52951.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: > There might be problems with the PS/2 adapter and the kernel. It may > be one of the new boxes that emulates the traditional PS/2 controller > in firmware using SMI. Do you have a USB keyboard laying around? Sorry to say that I don't have a USB keyboard. I tried to install 9 from a floppy and had the same problem; nousb option seemed to help but the installation had to be cancelled at a later point. Whenever the next beta comes out I'll give it a try, but for now, I guess I'll stick to 8. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Sep 8 13:24:15 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:24:15 +0200 Subject: remote display Message-ID: <1063027455.8035.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I can't use remote display and in my case 127.0.0.1 : $ xhost 127.0.0.1 $ export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 $ eog (eog:8072): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: ip_table is empty and /etc/x11/gdm/gdm.conf is untouched. System updated to the current rawhide. Another problem : Every time i log in with gdm i have this warning : > You have chosen Default System Session for this session. > If you wish to make Default System Session the default for futur sessions, > run the swithdesk utility > (Sytem->Desktop Switch Tool from the panel menu). switchdesk don't suppress this warning. Any ideas ? Should i file them in bugzilla ? -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From davej at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 13:37:54 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:37:54 +0100 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <039d01c37609$0c954c00$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <039d01c37609$0c954c00$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <20030908133754.GA718@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 05:59:33AM -0700, jdow wrote: > Dave, does this mean that Red Hat is going off onto its own kernel tree > for development? By removing cruft from the version number ? Old: kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl.src.rpm New: kernel-2.4.22-1.2030.nptl.src.rpm the -20 was there to work around going from RHL8 to RHL9, and until recently, people forgot about it. The .2.36 stuff is just CVS branch junk that disappeared when merging from a branch to HEAD. > If not it would be a major boon to sanity if the kernel > version at least preserved the "2.4.22-X" format so that it is clear > where the kernel development version ends and the Red Hat versioning > begins. kernel-2.4.22 - 1.2030.nptl.src.rpm base ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ seperator----------^ | | Red Hat revision-----' Note that 2.4.22 here is actually 2.4.22-ac1 > Could you share with us some of the thought process that went > into the new versioning scheme? (Of course, this begs the question by > presuming there was a thought process rather than a Dilbertian Manager > Decision behind it.) If anything, its now a lot simpler. Or did I miss something ? Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From pavelr at coresma.com Mon Sep 8 13:45:49 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:45:49 +0300 Subject: invalid default action for smb shares in nautilus Message-ID: <3F5C880D.1070203@coresma.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm trying to browse my windows lan with nautilus. When I double click on a computer icon, I get a list of shares on that machine. When I double-click any share icon, I get error message saying "The action associated with "share-name" is invalid. You can configure GNOME to associate a different application or viewer with this file type. Do you want to associate an application or viewer with this file type now? " If I type "smb://server/share-name" in location bar, nautilus displays the contents of shared directory. I'm using nautilus 2.3.90-2 and samba 3.0.0-5rc1 from rawhide. Anyone else see similar behavior? Pavel. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/XIgNHJityMnHjjERAv+QAJ95Vn+rBZK3aeLDF6QjEdV3GV5qugCgnDk0 A6wsOlsdgWl4AfritIOEwWA= =PiS4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Mon Sep 8 13:48:17 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:48:17 +0200 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F5CA4C1.18534.10D938@localhost> Hello Elliot, > I know it's a pain for the three people who have a need for more than 16 > partitions per disk, but a custom-modified util-linux package is probably > the best way in the short-term, and reducing the number of partitions is the > best way in the long term. SCSI isn't going to die anytime soon. :) Do I understand correctly that is only a device numbering problem? Maybe something can be done about that ;-) ? And really, on a desktop with multiple OSes reducing the number of partitions is not always an option. Three 40GB disks are just more expensive than a single 120GB. But indeed, patching the patch is easy enough and the build of util-linux takes only a few minutes. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Sep 8 13:49:17 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:49:17 +0200 Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <200309080928.51399.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1063027455.8035.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309080928.51399.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063028957.8129.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lun 08/09/2003 ? 15:28, Elton Woo a ?crit : > On September 8, 2003 09:24 am, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias > wrote: > > > > > Another problem : > > > > Every time i log in with gdm i have this warning : > > > You have chosen Default System Session for this session. > > > If you wish to make Default System Session the default for futur > > > sessions, run the swithdesk utility > > > (Sytem->Desktop Switch Tool from the panel menu). > > > > switchdesk don't suppress this warning. > > > > Any ideas ? > > What version of gdm do you have installed on the system? gdm-2.4.4.0-2 (rawhide) "rpm -V gdm" is OK. > > Elton -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 8 13:53:19 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <1063028957.8129.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063027455.8035.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309080928.51399.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063028957.8129.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309080953.19456.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 8, 2003 09:49 am, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias wrote: > > > Every time i log in with gdm i have this warning : > > > > You have chosen Default System Session for this session. > > > > If you wish to make Default System Session the default for futur > > > > sessions, run the swithdesk utility > > > > (Sytem->Desktop Switch Tool from the panel menu). > > > > > > switchdesk don't suppress this warning. > > > > > > Any ideas ? > > > > What version of gdm do you have installed on the system? > > gdm-2.4.4.0-2 (rawhide) see my post with the subject header: *critical* bug in gdm-2.4.4.0-2 from rawhide? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From pavelr at coresma.com Mon Sep 8 13:58:57 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:58:57 +0300 Subject: *critical* bug in gdm-2.4.4.0-2 from rawhide? In-Reply-To: <200309072247.09502.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309072247.09502.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F5C8B21.5070504@coresma.com> Elton Woo wrote: > I have now re-installed the Severn beta *twice*. What has happened is > that after installing the latest updates from rawhide (to 06 Sep. 03), I > cannot re-login. The GDM would complain that either an incorrect > user ID or password was entered... however, I have *carefully* > rechecked that I had entered the corredt PWD (since I even had it > *written* down, and my user id name is just 3 letters long. > > Even attempting to login as root, I still could not login. I got the > usual error message ( ... verify that your Caps lock isn't on, > etc...) > > > On my _most recent_ install (today, 07 Sep.), I made it a point > NOT to download and update to gdm-2.4.4.0-2.i386.rpm. > Has anyone else noticed this behavoir with this version of gdm? Hmm.. I have no problem to log in from remote machine with this version of gdm. Try to look in logs (/var/log/messages, /var/log/gdm/*) to see if there are any hints? Pavel. > > Elton. > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From jdow at earthlink.net Mon Sep 8 14:11:12 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:11:12 -0700 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <039d01c37609$0c954c00$2eedfea9@kittycat> <20030908133754.GA718@redhat.com> Message-ID: <03af01c37613$0f305db0$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "Dave Jones" > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 05:59:33AM -0700, jdow wrote: > > Dave, does this mean that Red Hat is going off onto its own kernel tree > > for development? > > By removing cruft from the version number ? > > Old: kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl.src.rpm > New: kernel-2.4.22-1.2030.nptl.src.rpm > > the -20 was there to work around going from RHL8 to RHL9, and until > recently, people forgot about it. The .2.36 stuff is just CVS branch junk > that disappeared when merging from a branch to HEAD. > > > If not it would be a major boon to sanity if the kernel > > version at least preserved the "2.4.22-X" format so that it is clear > > where the kernel development version ends and the Red Hat versioning > > begins. > > kernel-2.4.22 - 1.2030.nptl.src.rpm > base ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ > seperator----------^ | > | > Red Hat revision-----' > > Note that 2.4.22 here is actually 2.4.22-ac1 > > > Could you share with us some of the thought process that went > > into the new versioning scheme? (Of course, this begs the question by > > presuming there was a thought process rather than a Dilbertian Manager > > Decision behind it.) > > If anything, its now a lot simpler. Or did I miss something ? The only problem I see, Dave, is with updates to existing installs. And as long as it is moving from something like 2.4.20 to 2.4.22 it should work. {^_^} From wpilorz at bdk.pl Mon Sep 8 14:46:01 2003 From: wpilorz at bdk.pl (Wojtek Pilorz) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:46:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: <3F5CA4C1.18534.10D938@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:48:17 +0200 > From: Leonard den Ottolander > Reply-To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in > util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch > > Hello Elliot, > > > I know it's a pain for the three people who have a need for more than 16 > > partitions per disk, but a custom-modified util-linux package is probably > > the best way in the short-term, and reducing the number of partitions is the > > best way in the long term. SCSI isn't going to die anytime soon. :) > > Do I understand correctly that is only a device numbering problem? Maybe > something can be done about that ;-) ? > > And really, on a desktop with multiple OSes reducing the number of > partitions is not always an option. Three 40GB disks are just more > expensive than a single 120GB. But indeed, patching the patch is easy > enough and the build of util-linux takes only a few minutes. Sure, but then I cannot install RHL >= 7.3 on a hard disk with more than 16 partitions using standard install CD, cannot use RedHat rescue CD, and so on... > > Bye, > Leonard. > > -- > How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? > Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! > End all weapons of mass destruction. > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Sep 8 14:19:11 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:19:11 +0200 Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <200309080953.19456.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1063027455.8035.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309080928.51399.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063028957.8129.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309080953.19456.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063030751.8129.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lun 08/09/2003 ? 15:53, Elton Woo a ?crit : > On September 8, 2003 09:49 am, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias > wrote: > > > > > > What version of gdm do you have installed on the system? > > > > gdm-2.4.4.0-2 (rawhide) > > see my post with the subject header: > > *critical* bug in gdm-2.4.4.0-2 from rawhide? > I see, bug i don't have log in problem :-) > Elton -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Mon Sep 8 14:47:22 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:47:22 +0300 Subject: beta/rawhide upgrade paths (was: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla) In-Reply-To: <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030908144722.GJ4063@pua.nirvana> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 01:48:21PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:19:55AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > Version numbers shouldn't go back without a very good reason, IMHO. > > Welcome to rawhide. The fix is simple in this case at least, and doesn't > break anything. *ponder*, how will the installer handle this if someone > tries to update a beta1 install with a beta2 CD when that appears ? YAASC (yet another anaconda special case)? Seriously though I strongly second Alexandre's objection. If you want people to track betas or rawhide at least they should be assured that upgrade paths work. Leave the 20 in there until 2.4.23 or strip the "1." from the revision number. Yes, rawhide is for breaking things, but please not the versioning :( -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 8 15:03:02 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FOLLOWUP: reiser4 not currently available with 2.6.0-test4-bk9 Message-ID: based on a short conversation with someone who should know, the currently downloadable patches you can get from www.namesys.com will not give you a buildable kernel with support for reiser4. according to my source ("deep source" :-), we can look for support perhaps after 2.6.0-test5 becomes available. rday From j.sanchezf at terra.es Mon Sep 8 15:22:10 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:22:10 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn Message-ID: Hi, I have been having problems with transcode on Severn. I recently posted what follows at one of their lists. I have no idea about what the problem is, whether it is a bug with Severn or under what component to file it in bugzilla. In case some can help me diagnose it better, I insert the message here: -------------------- CUT HERE ----------------------------------- There are multiple cases in which transcode dies in RedHat Severn beta. After some experimentation, I have found a repetitive pattern. To put things in context, the RedHat beta kernel is using the new posix threads system and programs get that environment by default. It is possible to affect the environment a program sees by messing with the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL environment library. For instance, setting it to 2.4.5 supposedly permits programs that depend on old implementations to run correctly (though I ignore how faithful is the illusion). Transcode dies in some cases (not all, but it is repeatable when it does) on both environments and, moreover, the same invocations that die under one environment seem to die on the other and vice-versa. But, since gdb does not produce useful data when running on the default environment, I have studied the problem setting LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to 2.4.5. I have traced two cases and both share one characteristic: they involve dynamic loading. This is one example: (gdb) run -q3 -i /dosc/fotos/Tenerife2003/Dia2/dscn1004.mov -x mov,null -y null Starting program: /var/tmp/j_sanchez/rpm/BUILD/transcode-0.6.9/src/transcode -q3 -i /dosc/fotos/Tenerife2003/Dia2/dscn1004.mov -x mov,null -y null [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 16384 (LWP 6669)] [New Thread 32769 (LWP 6670)] [New Thread 16386 (LWP 6671)] transcode v0.6.9 (C) 2001-2003 Thomas Oestreich [tcprobe] Apple QuickTime movie file (probe.c) suggested AV correction -D 0 (0 ms) | AV 0 ms | 0 ms (probe.c) V magic=0x19, A magic=0x19, V codec=0x0, A codec=0x0 (probe.c) V magic=QuickTime, A magic=QuickTime, V codec=unknown, A codec=unknown[transcode] auto-probing source /dosc/fotos/Tenerife2003/Dia2/dscn1004.mov (ok) [transcode] V: import format | unknown QuickTime (V=mov|A=null) [transcode] V: import frame | 320x240 1.33:1 [transcode] V: bits/pixel | 1.562 [transcode] V: decoding fps,frc | 15.000,13 [transcode] A: import format | 0x2001 AC3/A52 [ 0,16,0] [transcode] A: export | disabled [transcode] V: encoding fps,frc | 15.000,13 [transcode] A: bytes per frame | 0 (0.000000) [transcode] A: adjustment | 0 at 1000 [transcode] V: IA32 accel mode | sse2 (sse2 sse mmxext mmx asm) [transcode] warning : no option -o found, encoded frames send to "/dev/null" [transcode] encoder delay = decode=10000 encode=10000 usec [transcode] V: video buffer | 10 @ 320x240 [transcode] allocating 10 framebuffer (static) loading audio import module /usr/lib/transcode/import_null.so loading video import module /usr/lib/transcode/import_mov.so [import_null.so] v0.2.0 (2002-01-19) (video) null | (audio) null (decoder.c) audio capability flag 0xffffffff | 0x1 [import_mov.so] v0.1.2 (2002-05-16) (video) * | (audio) * (decoder.c) video capability flag 0xb | 0x1 loading audio export module /usr/lib/transcode/export_null.so loading video export module /usr/lib/transcode/export_null.so [export_null.so] v0.1.2 (2001-08-17) (video) null | (audio) null (encoder.c) audio capability flag 0xffffffff | 0x1 (encoder.c) video capability flag 0xffffffff | 0x1 [transcode] starting 1 frame processing thread(s) [New Thread 32771 (LWP 6673)] [transcode] starting 1 frame processing thread(s) [New Thread 49156 (LWP 6674)] [import_mov.so] codec=jpeg, fps=15.000, width=320, height=240 [New Thread 65541 (LWP 6675)] [New Thread 81926 (LWP 6676)] (decoder.c) video thread id=81926 (decoder.c) audio thread id=65541 [New Thread 98311 (LWP 6677)] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 6669)] 0x400093c2 in do_lookup_versioned () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (gdb) b Breakpoint 1 at 0x400093c2 (gdb) bt #0 0x400093c2 in do_lookup_versioned () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x40008563 in _dl_lookup_versioned_symbol_internal () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #2 0x4000c33f in fixup () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #3 0x4000c4b0 in _dl_runtime_resolve () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #4 0x080720e7 in counter_init (t1=0x89906989, t2=0x89906989) at counter.c:47 #5 0x0805a44d in encoder (vob=0x98dd740, frame_a=0, frame_b=2147483647) at encoder.c:702 #6 0x08054c5d in main (argc=8, argv=0xbfec2f64) at transcode.c:3430 This is the second, trying to extract the image from a VCD MPEG still: Starting program: /var/tmp/j_sanchez/rpm/BUILD/transcode-0.6.9/src/transcode -q3 -i /dosc/fotos/tmp/__dosc_fotos_Tenerife2003_Dia2_dscn1005_image_pal_h.m1p -y im -o kk [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 16384 (LWP 6950)] [New Thread 32769 (LWP 6951)] [New Thread 16386 (LWP 6952)] transcode v0.6.9 (C) 2001-2003 Thomas Oestreich [tcprobe] MPEG program stream (PS) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) SCR= 0 ( 0) unit=0 @ offset 0.0000 (sec) att0=0, att1=0 (probe.c) suggested AV correction -D 0 (0 ms) | AV 0 ms | 0 ms (probe.c) V magic=0xf3, A magic=0xf3, V codec=0x1000000, A codec=0x0 (probe.c) V magic=, A magic=, V codec=MPEG , A codec=unknown [transcode] auto-probing source /dosc/fotos/tmp/__dosc_fotos_Tenerife2003_Dia2_dscn1005_image_pal_h.m1p (ok) [transcode] V: import format | MPEG (V=mpeg2|A=null) [transcode] V: AV demux/sync | (0) sync AV at PTS start - demuxer disabled [transcode] V: import frame | 352x288 1.22:1 encoded @ 4:3 [transcode] V: bits/pixel | 0.710 [transcode] V: decoding fps,frc | 25.000,3 [transcode] A: import format | 0x2001 AC3/A52 [ 0,16,0] [transcode] A: export format | 0x55 MPEG layer-3 [ 0,16,0] 128 kbps [transcode] V: encoding fps,frc | 25.000,3 [transcode] A: bytes per frame | 0 (0.000000) [transcode] A: adjustment | 0 at 1000 [transcode] V: IA32 accel mode | sse2 (sse2 sse mmxext mmx asm) [transcode] encoder delay = decode=40000 encode=40000 usec [transcode] V: video buffer | 10 @ 352x288 [transcode] allocating 10 framebuffer (static) loading audio import module /usr/lib/transcode/import_null.so loading video import module /usr/lib/transcode/import_mpeg2.so [import_null.so] v0.2.0 (2002-01-19) (video) null | (audio) null (decoder.c) audio capability flag 0xffffffff | 0x1 [import_mpeg2.so] v0.3.0 (2002-12-05) (video) MPEG2 (decoder.c) video capability flag 0xa | 0x1 loading audio export module /usr/lib/transcode/export_im.so loading video export module /usr/lib/transcode/export_im.so [export_im.so] v0.0.3 (2003-06-05) (video) * (encoder.c) audio capability flag 0x1b | 0x1 (encoder.c) video capability flag 0x1b | 0x1 [transcode] starting 1 frame processing thread(s) [New Thread 32771 (LWP 6954)] [transcode] starting 1 frame processing thread(s) [New Thread 49156 (LWP 6955)] [import_mpeg2.so] tcextract -x mpeg2 -i "/dosc/fotos/tmp/__dosc_fotos_Tenerife2003_Dia2_dscn1005_image_pal_h.m1p" -d 3 | tcdecode -x mpeg2 -d 3 [tcextract] (pid=6957) MPEG program stream (PS) [tcextract] (pid=6957) starting, doing mpeg2 Using MMXEXT for motion compensation Using MMXEXT for IDCT transform [tcextract] (pid=6957) exit [tcextract] exit code (0) [New Thread 65541 (LWP 6959)] (decoder.c) audio thread id=65541 [New Thread 81926 (LWP 6960)] (decoder.c) video thread id=81926 [tcdecode] exit code (0) (decoder.c) video data read failed - end of stream Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 81926 (LWP 6960)] 0x400093c2 in do_lookup_versioned () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (gdb) bt #0 0x400093c2 in do_lookup_versioned () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x40008563 in _dl_lookup_versioned_symbol_internal () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #2 0x4000c33f in fixup () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #3 0x4000c4b0 in _dl_runtime_resolve () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #4 0x080595f1 in vimport_stop () at decoder.c:855 #5 0x08058dd3 in vimport_thread (vob=0x8607740) at decoder.c:537 #6 0x4003ea71 in pthread_start_thread () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 #7 0x4003ec15 in pthread_start_thread_event () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 #8 0x4016ac17 in clone () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (gdb) -------------------- CUT HERE ----------------------------------- Is that thread the one that is segfaulting? What can I do to diagnose the problem? The same executables with the same input files work on RH9. Thanks in advance, Julio From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 15:27:44 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 08 Sep 2003 12:27:44 -0300 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <20030908132131.GB646@redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908132131.GB646@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > We had this discussion a week ago internally. I see no reason to rehash > it when we reached concensus to make the change. The change is that the 2.4.22-20.1.2024.etc version number was pushed to RHN. After this is done, there's no going back. If we stick to the renumber change, any new kernels pushed to RHN will be considered older than what's in there now, so we won't get the newer kernels tested. If the decision to renumber 2.4.22 was made before the push to RHN, there shouldn't have been a push with the incompatible versioning scheme. Now that the push happened, we have to revise the decision. Since we want the CVS $Id:$ of the spec file to be the RPM build, and CVS $Id:$ pretty much always start with 1., we might as well take the 1. out and use simply 2030. This would be considered newer than the build in RHN, would solve the problem, wouldn't make for infinitely-long build numbers and would accomplish the goal of having the relevant portions of the CVS $Id:$ in the build number. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Sep 8 15:42:17 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:42:17 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063035737.22019.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lun 08/09/2003 ? 17:22, Julio Sanchez a ?crit : > Hi, > > I have been having problems with transcode on Severn. I recently posted > what follows at one of their lists. I have no idea about what the problem > is, whether it is a bug with Severn or under what component to file it in > bugzilla. In case some can help me diagnose it better, Have you tried with : echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield > Julio > > -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From j.sanchezf at terra.es Mon Sep 8 15:45:21 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:45:21 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn References: <1063035737.22019.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:42:17 +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: > echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield Yes, I tried that too and it made no difference. Julio From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Mon Sep 8 16:11:53 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:11:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Julio Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:42:17 +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: > > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield > > Yes, I tried that too and it made no difference. Have you tried echo 3 >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield as well. The release notes are somewhat abiguous as to which value turns it off, though admittedly 0 is more likely than 3. Michael Young From j.sanchezf at terra.es Mon Sep 8 16:19:07 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:19:07 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn References: Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:11:53 +0100, M A Young wrote: > Have you tried echo 3 >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield as well. I have tried all values from 0 to 3. No difference. For the record, since I started, the system has been evolving by installation of rawhide packages. Packages particularly important are: kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl glibc-2.3.2-78 gcc-3.3.1-3 I have recompiled transcode several times, last time with that combination. Regards, Julio From dickson at permanentmail.com Mon Sep 8 16:38:02 2003 From: dickson at permanentmail.com (Paul Dickson) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:38:02 -0700 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030908093802.6e1e6799.dickson@permanentmail.com> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:22:10 +0200, Julio Sanchez wrote: > To put things in context, the RedHat beta kernel is using the new posix > threads system and programs get that environment by default. It is > possible to affect the environment a program sees by messing with the > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL environment library. For instance, setting it to 2.4.5 > supposedly permits programs that depend on old implementations to run > correctly (though I ignore how faithful is the illusion). I use LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5. -Paul From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 16:42:50 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: 08 Sep 2003 18:42:50 +0200 Subject: CD burning with Nautilus, was: Why xcdroast and not gcombust? In-Reply-To: <1063012862.2193.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1062361501.5021.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062414120.22264.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062423522.4822.14.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062430124.22264.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1062968648.19404.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1063012862.2193.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063039368.8310.34.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 11:21, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 23:04, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > Sorry for stepping up so late (I've been on vacation). > > > > On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 17:28, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > One comment about the current music cd burning abilities. This is very > > > limiting and will in the future be removed in favour of a "burn > > > playlist" button in the media player (rhythmbox for instance). > > > > Excuse me, but this is more than counterintuitive -- I asked my wife > > where she would look for something to burn her music on CD and it was > > definitely not the music player -- and she is an end user (beat this > > ;-). Funny enough, she would expect a CD-burning application which kinda > > makes sense since the task probably gets perceived rather as "burn a CD" > > (with whatever contents) than as "do XYZ with my music" or "do XYZ with > > my data" -- putting a medium in the drive could be more "tangible" than > > shuffling bits around, but I'm getting philosophic... > > A cd burning application would be a pretty bad ui for burning an audio > CD, since in them you can't easily listen to the tracks, find the music > from your library, view id3 information, see how many minutes the > current list of music is, etc. Unless of course this was a specific > audio-burning-app. But then, if it were, it would be pretty close to a > music player. The macos X music player iTunes has a burn button. End > users seem to have no problem understanding it. Point re iTunes taken. I don't know what to make with your other arguments -- you seem to be talking about a monolithic standalone app like xcdroast, gcombust. I want to see this in the context of a shell (what Nautilus seems to me -- it's way beyond being a mere "file manager"). It already can "preview" music tracks, id3 (or ogg metadata) would be just another set of object properties and aggregated properties (like "duration of current selection" in this case or in a more file-centric way "chmod of 200 files at once") is a feature missing which is long overdue (IMO). > > > There just isn't any sane way to handle ordering of the songs in the > > > nautilus UI. Plus you want to know things like total play time and have > > > easy preview of the songs. > > > > Hypothetically asked (meaning I don't want you to commit to anything): > > Would it be that hard to implement a new Nautilus view which were aware > > of ordering and other stuff needed for that? Of course (Havoc will hate > > that) it would need to expose some of the innards of audio CDs and > > CD-ROMs, red, orange and other coloured books to the user, but I guess > > this could be done easy for easy tasks (copying whole audio+data CDs, > > burning ISOs, burning just data) and still provide means to do more > > sophisticated stuff... > > It is hard to get the ordering data from a audio-specific burn: view, > and the view would be both hard to find, and quite a lot of work to > write. I think we (both/all) have been overseeing a possibility how this could be done without the need to extend every application (and their aunt) that copes with data that possibly could be written to a CD (attention: proposal ahead): - we already have a "CD burning view" (burn:///) as part of the "shell" (Nautilus), it would be best if it were easy to reach per icon on desktop and/or menu entry - we have applications that handle multimedia files (rhythmbox, xmms, xine, totem, mplayer, ...) - let the CD burning interface accept drops from the aforementioned applications (apps would need to be extend to send drag/drop events eventually, but this would be a generic extension, not specific to cd-burning) - hardest part: extend CD burning view to sensibly handle all the possible types of data, DnD wise ("Burn as files or CD-Audio tracks?") as well as on the presentation side (how to list what gets burned). Offtopic: Bonus points for hiding URL-protocols behind something like "Burn on CD:", "Filesystem:", "World Wide Web:", "Secure World Wide Web" with nice icons in the URL line for great power ;-). Finally: I think it would be better to pull the strings between the various views on the problem (files/CD burning/media) together in the shell than in the applications themselves -- I'd like to keep CD-burning specific code in them to a minimum -- perhaps just DnD as described and (where sensible) a "Burn this" button which only knows how to call the program that "burns this" on CD. What do you think? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From j.sanchezf at terra.es Mon Sep 8 16:50:51 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:50:51 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn References: <20030908093802.6e1e6799.dickson@permanentmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:38:02 -0700, Paul Dickson wrote: > I use LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5. In this case, it made no difference either. Julio From katzj at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 18:38:20 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:38:20 -0400 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063046300.10875.11.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 08:48, Dave Jones wrote: > Welcome to rawhide. The fix is simple in this case at least, and doesn't > break anything. *ponder*, how will the installer handle this if someone > tries to update a beta1 install with a beta2 CD when that appears ? Well, for one thing, beta1 to beta2 upgrades aren't something that is really supported. Beta->Beta and Beta->Final releases have never been supported (because sometimes you have to break things during the devel cycle to fix them right). In this case, though, it won't matter because the kernel in beta1 wasn't 2.4.22 based :) Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 18:41:03 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:41:03 -0400 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908132131.GB646@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063046463.10875.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 11:27, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Sep 8, 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > > > We had this discussion a week ago internally. I see no reason to rehash > > it when we reached concensus to make the change. > > The change is that the 2.4.22-20.1.2024.etc version number was pushed > to RHN. After this is done, there's no going back. If we stick to > the renumber change, any new kernels pushed to RHN will be considered > older than what's in there now, so we won't get the newer kernels > tested. No, there is going back. Remember, you're running rawhide. Mistakes get made and by having active development pushed into an RHN channel daily, if you're pulling from that, sometimes you have to do things by hand to fix them up. This is one of those cases. Jeremy From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 18:43:02 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:43:02 -0400 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309070658.IAA22135@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch>; from Christian.Iseli@licr.org on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 08:58:53AM +0200 References: <200309070658.IAA22135@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> Message-ID: <20030908144302.A12875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 08:58:53AM +0200, Christian Iseli wrote: > I tried: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 heroes3 > slightly different behaviour: the program just hangs after showing a black > screen. Doesn't report a bug, but doesn't work either. Try disabling exec-shield and see if that helps. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From katzj at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 18:43:12 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:43:12 -0400 Subject: beta/rawhide upgrade paths (was: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla) In-Reply-To: <20030908144722.GJ4063@pua.nirvana> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908144722.GJ4063@pua.nirvana> Message-ID: <1063046592.10875.19.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 10:47, Axel Thimm wrote: > Seriously though I strongly second Alexandre's objection. If you want > people to track betas or rawhide at least they should be assured that > upgrade paths work. Leave the 20 in there until 2.4.23 or strip the > "1." from the revision number. > > Yes, rawhide is for breaking things, but please not the versioning :( This happens regularly during the development cycle. Always has and until people are perfect, there's not much that can be done about it. Just have to strive to have it happen as rarely as possible. The exact same caveats apply for the RHN channel that have always existed for rawhide -- the main difference is that the barrier to entry is lower. Jeremy From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 19:02:01 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:02:01 -0400 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: ; from aoliva@redhat.com on Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:19:55AM -0300 References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030908150201.B12875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:19:55AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Unless there's an epoch that makes it look newer, this will indeed be > the case. I don't see the point of this change though. Why not cal > it 2.4.22-21.whatever or 20.2030, or even 20.1.2030, such that it is > clearly newer than the already-released kernel? Version numbers > shouldn't go back without a very good reason, IMHO. version numbers go back quite often during beta cycle for various reasons. We don't EVER use epoch in ANY packages except to work around bugs in released versions of packages that cannot be worked around in ANY other way. It's a horrible, disgusting hack that ends up infecting any other package with dependencies. Blame this one one me (I missed mentioning to Dave he should change it while rebasing). michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From smoogen at lanl.gov Mon Sep 8 19:29:19 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:29:19 -0600 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1 RC4 out Message-ID: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> Looks like a new RC has been put out. Any luck in getting it to compile for Severn or Taroon? I will have to wait til later this week as I back to a diskless 7.1 machine while my workstation gets fixed. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From sflory at rackable.com Mon Sep 8 19:27:09 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:27:09 -0700 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1 RC4 out In-Reply-To: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> References: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> Message-ID: <3F5CD80D.1070507@rackable.com> Stephen Smoogen wrote: >Looks like a new RC has been put out. Any luck in getting it to compile >for Severn or Taroon? I will have to wait til later this week as I back >to a diskless 7.1 machine while my workstation gets fixed. > > > Compile? I'm running the binary release with out issue on Severn. -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From sflory at rackable.com Mon Sep 8 19:30:24 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:30:24 -0700 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1 RC4 out In-Reply-To: <3F5CD80D.1070507@rackable.com> References: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> <3F5CD80D.1070507@rackable.com> Message-ID: <3F5CD8D0.5090800@rackable.com> Samuel Flory wrote: > Stephen Smoogen wrote: > >> Looks like a new RC has been put out. Any luck in getting it to compile >> for Severn or Taroon? I will have to wait til later this week as I back >> to a diskless 7.1 machine while my workstation gets fixed. >> >> >> > > Compile? I'm running the binary release with out issue on Severn. > Actually the binary release of rc3. -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From smoogen at lanl.gov Mon Sep 8 19:40:15 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:40:15 -0600 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1 RC4 out In-Reply-To: <3F5CD80D.1070507@rackable.com> References: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> <3F5CD80D.1070507@rackable.com> Message-ID: <1063050014.4890.9.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 13:27, Samuel Flory wrote: > Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > >Looks like a new RC has been put out. Any luck in getting it to compile > >for Severn or Taroon? I will have to wait til later this week as I back > >to a diskless 7.1 machine while my workstation gets fixed. > > > > > > > > Compile? I'm running the binary release with out issue on Severn. There have been problems in getting it to compile into an RPM with the GCC/G++ compiler that ships with severn -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From jfm512 at free.fr Mon Sep 8 20:16:49 2003 From: jfm512 at free.fr (Jean Francois Martinez) Date: 08 Sep 2003 22:16:49 +0200 Subject: *critical* bug in gdm-2.4.4.0-2 from rawhide? In-Reply-To: <200309072247.09502.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309072247.09502.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063052208.1154.7.camel@agnes.fremen.dune> Most likely and unbeknown to you you were using the US keyboard when you installed Severn. It happens to me when I ask for install in American and later for a french keyboard. The keyboard is changed for the text console but not for the anaconda GUI then so when I type the password at install time I get a "foobQr" when what I typed was "foobAr". Solution is easy: do an install in the canadian language. :-) On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 04:47, Elton Woo wrote: > I have now re-installed the Severn beta *twice*. What has happened is > that after installing the latest updates from rawhide (to 06 Sep. 03), I > cannot re-login. The GDM would complain that either an incorrect > user ID or password was entered... however, I have *carefully* > rechecked that I had entered the corredt PWD (since I even had it > *written* down, and my user id name is just 3 letters long. > > Even attempting to login as root, I still could not login. I got the > usual error message ( ... verify that your Caps lock isn't on, > etc...) > > > On my _most recent_ install (today, 07 Sep.), I made it a point > NOT to download and update to gdm-2.4.4.0-2.i386.rpm. > Has anyone else noticed this behavoir with this version of gdm? > > Elton. -- Jean Francois Martinez From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 8 20:58:06 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:58:06 -0400 Subject: *critical* bug in gdm-2.4.4.0-2 from rawhide? In-Reply-To: <1063052208.1154.7.camel@agnes.fremen.dune> References: <200309072247.09502.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063052208.1154.7.camel@agnes.fremen.dune> Message-ID: <200309081658.06686.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 8, 2003 04:16 pm, Jean Francois Martinez Jean Francois Martinez wrote: > Most likely and unbeknown to you you were using the US keyboard when > you installed Severn. It happens to me when I ask for install in > American and later for a french keyboard. The keyboard is changed > for the text console but not for the anaconda GUI then so when I > type the password at install time I get a "foobQr" when what I typed > was "foobAr". Solution is easy: do an install in the canadian > language. :-) > > On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 04:47, Elton Woo wrote: > > I have now re-installed the Severn beta *twice*. What has happened is > > that after installing the latest updates from rawhide (to 06 Sep. 03), I > > cannot re-login. The GDM would complain that either an incorrect hmm... you may have point there. However, I always select CANADIAN English as the default when installing, and the keyboard *is* US ... NOT a (Canadian) bilingual one. I have no problems logging in, _until I upgrade_ to gdm-2.4.4.0-2.m I've been able to verify this *twice* on my system, hence, I made a point of NOT upgrading to this version. But by your description *you* encounter this problem _before_ updating the gdm package? ... or has anyone else, besides myself come across this behavoir (after the rawhide update)? Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From davej at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 21:05:14 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:05:14 +0100 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <20030908144302.A12875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309070658.IAA22135@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> <20030908144302.A12875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030908210514.GR718@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 02:43:02PM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 08:58:53AM +0200, Christian Iseli wrote: > > I tried: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 heroes3 > > slightly different behaviour: the program just hangs after showing a black > > screen. Doesn't report a bug, but doesn't work either. > > Try disabling exec-shield and see if that helps. Some of Ingo's fixes to exec-shield that I merged today fixed up problems reported with tuxracer, could be the loki games are hitting the same bug. Will be in the next push. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Sep 8 22:39:19 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:39:19 +0200 Subject: java plugin for epiphany. Message-ID: <1063060758.4636.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Java plugin only work with mozilla (ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so) but not with epiphany. Any ideas ? -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From alikins at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 22:51:01 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:51:01 -0400 Subject: up2date -d doesn't handle updated up2date rpms well In-Reply-To: <1062839843.2115.74.camel@earth.xades.com>; from nosp@xades.com on Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 10:17:23AM +0100 References: <1062839843.2115.74.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <20030908185101.B26710@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 10:17:23AM +0100, nosp wrote: > Hi, > > up2date --nox -d -u gets itself into a loop if up2date updates are > downloaded. It seems to be thinking: 1) download all new rpms; 2) check > for updated versions of up2date; 3) if up2date updates are present, > prepare to restart after installing up2date; 4) install up2date unless > "-d" has been specified; 5) regardless of #4 completing, because of #3, > goto #1. > > As you can see, "-d" causes a loop with this logic that up2date can't > break out of. I have observed this today on my severn box. Wanted to > check that this wasn't a problem on my end or other misunderstanding on > my part before filing a bug. Am I overlooking something? > yeah, fixed that in cvs. should land in the usually places soon. Adrian From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Mon Sep 8 22:52:46 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:52:46 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:43:02 EDT." <20030908144302.A12875@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309082252.AAA19697@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> johnsonm at redhat.com said: > Try disabling exec-shield and see if that helps. Nope, still dies... Thanks, Christian From nosp at xades.com Mon Sep 8 23:00:43 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:00:43 +0100 Subject: up2date -d doesn't handle updated up2date rpms well In-Reply-To: <20030908185101.B26710@redhat.com> References: <1062839843.2115.74.camel@earth.xades.com> <20030908185101.B26710@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063062043.3444.73.camel@earth.xades.com> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 23:51, Adrian Likins wrote: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 10:17:23AM +0100, nosp wrote: > > As you can see, "-d" causes a loop with this logic that up2date can't > > break out of. I have observed this today on my severn box. Wanted to > > check that this wasn't a problem on my end or other misunderstanding on > > my part before filing a bug. Am I overlooking something? > > > > yeah, fixed that in cvs. should land in the usually > places soon. > > Adrian Awesome, thanks. Martin From limbo at bluethingy.com Mon Sep 8 23:03:04 2003 From: limbo at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:03:04 -0700 Subject: java plugin for epiphany. In-Reply-To: <1063060758.4636.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063060758.4636.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063062183.4274.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 15:39, F?liciano Matias wrote: > Java plugin only work with mozilla (ln -s > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so) but not with epiphany. > > Any ideas ? > Epiphany seems to prefer /usr/lib/mozilla-1.x/plugins rather than /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. From hp at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 23:19:50 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 08 Sep 2003 19:19:50 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1 RC4 out In-Reply-To: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> References: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> Message-ID: <1063063190.9194.67.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 15:29, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > Looks like a new RC has been put out. Any luck in getting it to compile > for Severn or Taroon? I will have to wait til later this week as I back > to a diskless 7.1 machine while my workstation gets fixed. Dan Williams, our new OO.org developer, started today; we'll be working on it this week hopefully. Havoc From dsavage at peaknet.net Mon Sep 8 23:21:44 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: 08 Sep 2003 18:21:44 -0500 Subject: Preserving evolution mail during OS changes In-Reply-To: <20030908135313.27940746.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> References: <1101.208.4.19.70.1062998002.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> <20030908135313.27940746.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1063063303.5536.5.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 06:53, Kai Thomsen wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:13:22 -0500 (CDT), dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > > > The SMTP exchange detailed in my earlier message was actually > > interleaved with a POP3 exchange. I'm posting the whole 49-line > > Send/Receive exchange as an attachment to this message. > > Have you tried removing all leading and trailing whitespace, comments > and blank lines from your /etc/hosts file, as mentioned in the > referenced thread? Does it correct the hostname passed by the EHLO > command? Kai, No, but I tried changing the mail send option from SMTP to sendmail. Voila! Now all I have to do is figure out for myself why this change works. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Sep 8 23:29:11 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:29:11 +0200 Subject: java plugin for epiphany. In-Reply-To: <1063062183.4274.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <1063060758.4636.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063062183.4274.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <1063063750.1648.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mar 09/09/2003 ? 01:03, Michael Knepher a ?crit : > On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 15:39, F?liciano Matias wrote: > > Java plugin only work with mozilla (ln -s > > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so > > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so) but not with epiphany. > > > > Any ideas ? > > > Epiphany seems to prefer /usr/lib/mozilla-1.x/plugins rather than > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. > > It works. Thanks. > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 23:45:56 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn In-Reply-To: from "M A Young" at Med 08, 2003 05:11:53 Message-ID: <200309082345.h88Nju726962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield > > > > Yes, I tried that too and it made no difference. > > Have you tried echo 3 >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield as well. The release > notes are somewhat abiguous as to which value turns it off, though > admittedly 0 is more likely than 3. You want echo "0" > or "3" > otherwise lots of shells will parse it as 3>/proc/sys/foo which is a redirect of fd 3 not writing 3... From dsavage at peaknet.net Mon Sep 8 23:49:45 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: 08 Sep 2003 18:49:45 -0500 Subject: evolution config: SMTP or sendmail Message-ID: <1063064985.5536.27.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> When setting up my ISP e-mail account after installing Severn, I was unable to send mail. The only way I could make it work was to change the "Sending mail" server type setting from "SMTP" to "sendmail". This is not how evolution settings worked in the past. My ISP runs sendmail on a host named smtp.peaknet.net. In fact, there are two IP addresses with that FQN. For as far back as I can remember using evolution, I've configured evolution to point to smtp.peaknet.net and selected server type "SMTP". That seems to be broken in Severn. I have to use server type "sendmail" even though sendmail is configured only for local host operation. Has anyone else noticed this apparent reversal? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From matt-whiteley at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 00:21:41 2003 From: matt-whiteley at comcast.net (Matt Whiteley) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:21:41 -0700 Subject: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() Message-ID: <1063066901.5556.5.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> I get this error and have the following rpms installed: php-ldap-4.3.2-7 php-devel-4.3.2-7 php-imap-4.3.2-7 php-manual-4.3.2-7 php-4.3.2-7 php-odbc-4.3.2-7 php-mysql-4.3.2-7 mysql-bench-3.23.57-1 mysql-server-3.23.57-1 mysql-devel-3.23.57-1 mysql-3.23.57-1 mysqld (pid 6130) is running... At the same time I can access the database from the command line. I googled for an answer but only ran into people that didn't have the files installed. Running phpinfo() shows '--with-mysql=shared,/usr' Hopefully the answer isn't too obvious. Thanks for the help. -- Matt Whiteley From djoo at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 01:33:50 2003 From: djoo at redhat.com (David Sungmin Joo) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:33:50 +1000 Subject: some bugs related to korean chracters in severn In-Reply-To: <20030907152952.GA31932@mercury.senux.com> References: <20030907152952.GA31932@mercury.senux.com> Message-ID: <3F5D2DFE.7080204@redhat.com> Hi Brian. Again, Thanks for your input. This is so vital in I18NQA procedures. I have just added few things and answers to your email. I hope this help. Regards, David Sungmin Joo Brian Lee wrote: >>Hi, I found follow bugs. >> >>* Some box line is appears in typing Korean chracters in >> gnome-terminal with ami. But the box is disappeared when typing >> space. (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_gnome_terminal.png) >> > > I am not sure this is the answer, however, for GTK2+, it has been set to use GTK2+'s input method rather than XIM. So to enable XIM, you need to right click on the "gnome-terminal" and choose "Input Method" and choose XIM to use "AMI". This is certainly a bug, we will definately have a look. Also, the box that you are referring to is from AMI, if you go into ami's preference and change it to commit by character, you wouldn't see the box at all. Since the preference has been defaultly set to commit by words, until it has been set to a word, it is not committing and that is what the box is meaning. So it is not a bug at all. >> >>* I think the default Korean font in Mozilla is not pretty. I >> think many Korean people likt gulim fonts instead of batang. Better >> to set gulim as default in distribution configuration. >> - Ugly (default now) : >> (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_mozilla_ugly_font.png) >> - Pretty: >> (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_mozilla_pretty_font_with_gulim.png) >> >> > > Thanks for the input. >>* The Ami is in gnome pannel. You know ami is an >> IM(input method) program and I think it is better to >> place ami in the tray of gnome panel. (Near the clock) >> - ami in gnome panel (now) - >> (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_ami_in_gnome_panel.png) >> >> > > As I have said eariler email, "AMI" has a problem with GTK2+ and the ami's gnome panel has been disabled for quite some time. With a lot of korean developers, had discussions on this, whether we should port ami into GTK2+. However, the ami's development has been stoped for quite few months now, and there are few other alternate solutions that Red Hat is looking at right now. The Best solution that we are thinking currently is "Nabi" written by HwanJin Choe (a.k.a Krisna) and the other solution is iiimf-hangul which is in Beta 1 position at the moment, if you are interested to find out please contact djoo at redhat.com off the list. >>* I set the default language to Korean. Korean chracters >> in console mode are all broken. I think it is better to use >> English locale in console mode. The customized version of >> RedHat Linux before like alzza linux, the locale in console >> mode was something like "C" so the chracters are not broken. >> >> > > This should been fixed ASAP. Thanks for the input, also which locale are you using. It has been decided that for Severn, all the CJK is going to have UTF-8 as their default locale rather than eucKR. So please try to use UTF-8 and try this again please. >>* Can't input Korean in gaim. When I didn't type space or >> non-Korean chracters at the end of each line, the line is >> not sent to buddy. >> (http://www.senux.com/tmp/archive/severn/korean_gaim_cant_input.png) >> >> > > This proeblem has been there for quite a while, however this is also reported on the upstream and waiting for fix. Last time that I heard about this is that they may consider rewriting the modules. [ 778018 ] korean last character commit ploblem. >>* (This is not specific one to Korean) The gnome panel is >> dead too often. I tried to report the bug but I can't because >> the bug report program is dead too. >> >>* Korean chracter are not shown in OpenOffice. (writer, calc, >> impress) Korean is shonw input bar above cells in calc but not shown >> in cell box. Korean in writer, impress is not shown. The the >> Korean chracters are show in just dots. >> >> The openoffice are in gnome panel as default configuration and I >> think many people will click it. So this should be fixed or >> the default icon in gnome panel sholud replace to other programs. >> >> > > This is the definate OpenOffice problem. Since there is no fontguess tool to find out which locale it is being written. We are currently investgating more on this subject. >>Thank you! >> >> > > > From pgraner at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 02:02:11 2003 From: pgraner at redhat.com (Pete Graner) Date: 08 Sep 2003 22:02:11 -0400 Subject: evolution config: SMTP or sendmail In-Reply-To: <1063064985.5536.27.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1063064985.5536.27.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1063072931.3942.3.camel@zorak> There is a workaround, remove all blank lines and comments from your /etc/hosts file. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution at lists.ximian.com/msg04076.html Pete On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 19:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > When setting up my ISP e-mail account after installing Severn, I was > unable to send mail. The only way I could make it work was to change the > "Sending mail" server type setting from "SMTP" to "sendmail". This is > not how evolution settings worked in the past. > > My ISP runs sendmail on a host named smtp.peaknet.net. In fact, there > are two IP addresses with that FQN. For as far back as I can remember > using evolution, I've configured evolution to point to smtp.peaknet.net > and selected server type "SMTP". That seems to be broken in Severn. I > have to use server type "sendmail" even though sendmail is configured > only for local host operation. > > Has anyone else noticed this apparent reversal? > > --Doc Savage > Fairview Heights, IL > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- Pete Graner Red Hat Enterprise Architect Office: 703-464-1220 Mobile: 703-727-6336 Red Hat Inc. 1608 Spring Hill Road, Suite 350 Vienna, VA 22182 www.redhat.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will have to wait til later this week as I back >> to a diskless 7.1 machine while my workstation gets fixed. > >Dan Williams, our new OO.org developer, started today; >we'll be working on it this week hopefully. > >Havoc > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From alan at clueserver.org Tue Sep 9 02:51:13 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 08 Sep 2003 19:51:13 -0700 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <200309072249.h87MnNb30950@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309072249.h87MnNb30950@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063075873.17740.11.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 15:49, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 14:45, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > > It then worked just fine.. > > > > > > > > That did the trick. I had tried everything except the "pci=off". It is > > > > installing now. (Fairly slowly, but installing. I need a new > > > > laptop...) > > > > > > The pci=off will slow the install a lot but is neccessary right now. > > > > Any ideas as to why (other than it not working otherwise)? Before > > Redhat 9 it "just worked". > > Its to do with whether we probe for cardbus. The bios seems to set up the > cardbus IDE controller magically as it were onboard. When we touch the > pci socket code we reconfigure the cardbus, but don't discover the cardbus > controller for some reason. Well, I did the install. It took a few hours. XFree86 is *SLOW*. The system is a P-333 with 128 megs. Not fast, but not incredibly slow either. (Redhat 7.3 runs on it acceptably. I have not tried Redhat 9.) X eats up 25% of the cpu on average. (Which seems very high to me.) It looks nice, but most actions take about 30-40 seconds (or more) to occur. (Press the button and wait... and wait... and wait...) I have not straced it to see what is happening. Maybe Keith's Resize and rotate extension got replaced with the "sit and spin" extension by mistake. (Or maybe it is waiting for dri or some other non-existent function.) I have also noticed that acpi installs by default. This machine only understands APM. I think that is causing the battery applet to crash. (It does not come up at all without segfaulting.) -- Alan From alan at clueserver.org Tue Sep 9 04:35:43 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 08 Sep 2003 21:35:43 -0700 Subject: FIXED Re: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <1063075873.17740.11.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> References: <200309072249.h87MnNb30950@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063075873.17740.11.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <1063082142.18051.1.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 19:51, Alan wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 15:49, Alan Cox wrote: > > > On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 14:45, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > > > It then worked just fine.. > > > > > > > > > > That did the trick. I had tried everything except the "pci=off". It is > > > > > installing now. (Fairly slowly, but installing. I need a new > > > > > laptop...) > > > > > > > > The pci=off will slow the install a lot but is neccessary right now. > > > > > > Any ideas as to why (other than it not working otherwise)? Before > > > Redhat 9 it "just worked". > > > > Its to do with whether we probe for cardbus. The bios seems to set up the > > cardbus IDE controller magically as it were onboard. When we touch the > > pci socket code we reconfigure the cardbus, but don't discover the cardbus > > controller for some reason. > > Well, I did the install. It took a few hours. > > XFree86 is *SLOW*. The system is a P-333 with 128 megs. Not fast, but > not incredibly slow either. (Redhat 7.3 runs on it acceptably. I have > not tried Redhat 9.) > > X eats up 25% of the cpu on average. (Which seems very high to me.) It > looks nice, but most actions take about 30-40 seconds (or more) to > occur. (Press the button and wait... and wait... and wait...) > > I have not straced it to see what is happening. Maybe Keith's Resize > and rotate extension got replaced with the "sit and spin" extension by > mistake. (Or maybe it is waiting for dri or some other non-existent > function.) > > I have also noticed that acpi installs by default. This machine only > understands APM. I think that is causing the battery applet to crash. > (It does not come up at all without segfaulting.) I have commented out the dri option in the XF86Config file. I also disabled acpi in /etc/grub.conf. CPU usage for X has returned to useful levels. -- Alan From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Sep 9 04:47:17 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:47:17 -0400 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? Message-ID: <1063082837.18603.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Alan wrote: > XFree86 is *SLOW*. The system is a P-333 with 128 megs. Not fast, but > not incredibly slow either. (Redhat 7.3 runs on it acceptably. I have > not tried Redhat 9.) Maybe the recommended hardware as listed in the beta release notes is there for a reason? Processor: - Minimum: Pentium-class - Recommended for text-mode: 200 MHz Pentium-class or better - Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz Pentium II or better Memory: - Minimum for text-mode: 64MB - Minimum for graphical: 128MB - Recommended for graphical: 192MB I have an k6-2 amd with 192 megs ram..and redhat 7.3 with gnome runs slow enough that i notice. I can't imagine the beta with gnome 2.x is going to be any better..in fact i expect it to be very noticeably slower..since that system, like yours, is below the recommended hardware specs. For comparison...running rhl9 and the beta on my 1 gig athlon with 512 megs, the gnome desktop isn't noticable slow for most things (leaving obvious things like openoffice out of course). I think that recommended hardware as listed in the beta release notes is probably a good measure of what the modern (some advanced users would say unnecessarily bloated) desktop environments, Gnome and KDE, are expecting to have available to run smoothly. Welcome to the wonderful world of progress. -jef"my hunch is...rhl 8 and 9 are going to have similar performance penalty on that old p333"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at clueserver.org Tue Sep 9 04:53:23 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 08 Sep 2003 21:53:23 -0700 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <1063082837.18603.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063082837.18603.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063083203.18051.5.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> The problem was actually caused by the X server trying to use dri on a chipset that really did not support it. It was causing abnormal cpu load. Turning off dri and acpi made things run *much* better. On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 21:47, Jef Spaleta wrote: > Alan wrote: > > > XFree86 is *SLOW*. The system is a P-333 with 128 megs. Not fast, > but > > not incredibly slow either. (Redhat 7.3 runs on it acceptably. I have > > not tried Redhat 9.) > > Maybe the recommended hardware as listed in the beta release notes is > there for a reason? > Processor: > - Minimum: Pentium-class > - Recommended for text-mode: 200 MHz Pentium-class or better > - Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz Pentium II or better > Memory: > - Minimum for text-mode: 64MB > - Minimum for graphical: 128MB > - Recommended for graphical: 192MB > > > I have an k6-2 amd with 192 megs ram..and redhat 7.3 with gnome runs > slow enough that i notice. I can't imagine the beta with gnome 2.x is > going to be any better..in fact i expect it to be very noticeably > slower..since that system, like yours, is below the recommended hardware > specs. For comparison...running rhl9 and the beta on my 1 gig athlon > with 512 megs, the gnome desktop isn't noticable slow for most things > (leaving obvious things like openoffice out of course). > > I think that recommended hardware as listed in the beta release notes is > probably a good measure of what the modern (some advanced users would > say unnecessarily bloated) desktop environments, Gnome and KDE, are > expecting to have available to run smoothly. Welcome to the wonderful > world of progress. > > -jef"my hunch is...rhl 8 and 9 are going to have similar performance > penalty on that old p333"spaleta -- Alan From dsavage at peaknet.net Tue Sep 9 05:21:55 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: 09 Sep 2003 00:21:55 -0500 Subject: evolution config: SMTP or sendmail In-Reply-To: <1063072931.3942.3.camel@zorak> References: <1063064985.5536.27.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1063072931.3942.3.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <1063084914.6132.20.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 21:02, Pete Graner wrote: > There is a workaround, remove all blank lines and comments from your > /etc/hosts file. > > See: > http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution at lists.ximian.com/msg04076.html Pete, That has to be the least probable fix I've ever seen. And darned if it doesn't work! Now, since Evolution appears to be running properly, what supporting package do you think I should report this problem against in Bugzilla? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From yinyang at eburg.com Tue Sep 9 06:05:44 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:05:44 -0700 Subject: Would busybox be more valuable, statically linked? In-Reply-To: <20030904145926.GA12888@mark.mielke.cc> References: <20030904145926.GA12888@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <3F5D6DB8.5080407@eburg.com> Mark Mielke wrote: > > Of course, I am mostly thinking about init=/sbin/busybox as a kernel option > to aid during recovery in cases where /sbin/sash does not provide enough > functionality... :-) In recovery situations, what functionality do you need from the init process that sash does not give you? From scott at ucolick.org Tue Sep 9 06:38:53 2003 From: scott at ucolick.org (Scott Seagroves) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:38:53 -0700 Subject: question about rawhide vs beta (maybe dumb) Message-ID: <1063089532.25255.15.camel@lobos> I have a feeling this is a dumb question but there is a chance that there's something I don't understand here, and I want to clear it up: If I use yum or apt to go from RH9 to rawhide, then am I basically testing the beta? Aside from the installer, of course, I understand that I won't be testing that. But what about the rest? Is that an ok way to "get" to Severn (or Severn2 or whatever the next beta is called)? Thanks in advance - Scott Seagroves From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Sep 9 07:10:44 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:10:44 +0200 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch Message-ID: <01L0GEBE7QV60057CZ@rcum.uni-mb.si> James Olin Oden wrote : > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Wojtek Pilorz wrote: > > > > > Would something so simple as to check whether the name specified matches > > > .*/hd[a-l] and only then allow up to 60 partitions would be acceptable for > > > inclusion in RHL? > > > > There are too many exceptions for the rule to be useful. > > > > I know it's a pain for the three people who have a need for more than 16 > You could add one other person that would be interested in this feature (-;. > > Seriously, what would be an acceptable check for this. Is there a for > sure way of looking at something in /proc, or using an ioctl to verify > that a drive is an ide drive? If so, I or the person originally emailing > would be happy to code such a patch. I think that is the user does not know he is partitioning an IDE drive, then he should partition at all. When you make above 16 partitions, you usually have the neccessary amount of IQ to know, IMHO :-) As Alan said, the limit is in the allocation of device minor numbers. Currently IDE/ATA(PI) units have 64 minors ( that is 63 minors wasted on CD drives ), while SCSI devices have about 16 or so. There are also only 32 IDE device files created by default on Red Hat Linux ( at least it was like that last time I checked ), so you must create them by hand if you want to use them. There are several projects in the work to remove or at least lift these kernel limits, like devfs, dynamic device number allocatios and so on ( don't ask me for details, I don't know them ). About the fdisk 16 partition limit ( also see my note below ). I run into this stupid (IMHO) limit myself. I think the raply from redhat was "SCSI has a 16 partition limit and it would confuse people, if they could make more partition and then not see them.". On the other hand parted/disk-druid has no such limitation. So what is the logic (or should I say unlogic) behind this ? Is there a reason for a 16 partition limit ? If yes, why is the default partition tool not respecting this limit ? If no, why is fdisk crippled ? That is strange, when I request some logical, meanigfull and user-friendly feature, I get the "UNIX gives you enough rope...", but when I ask for "more rope" they give me "oh, some users might be confused...". I guess it's just a clever looking way of making excuses. Kind regards, David Balazic From nphilipp at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 07:26:54 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:26:54 +0200 Subject: evolution config: SMTP or sendmail In-Reply-To: <1063084914.6132.20.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1063064985.5536.27.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1063072931.3942.3.camel@zorak> <1063084914.6132.20.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1063092414.13133.16.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 07:21, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 21:02, Pete Graner wrote: > > There is a workaround, remove all blank lines and comments from your > > /etc/hosts file. > > > > See: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution at lists.ximian.com/msg04076.html > > Pete, > > That has to be the least probable fix I've ever seen. And darned if it > doesn't work! > > Now, since Evolution appears to be running properly, what supporting > package do you think I should report this problem against in Bugzilla? evolution, preferably upstream ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > googled for an answer but only ran into people that didn't have the > files installed. > > Running phpinfo() shows '--with-mysql=shared,/usr' Hopefully the answer > isn't too obvious. Fixed in Rawhide (php-4.3.3-2), as you would have seen had you looked in Bugzilla :o). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From davej at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 08:47:28 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:47:28 +0100 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <1063083203.18051.5.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> References: <1063082837.18603.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063083203.18051.5.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <20030909084728.GA22417@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:53:23PM -0700, Alan wrote: > The problem was actually caused by the X server trying to use dri on a > chipset that really did not support it. It was causing abnormal cpu > load. Turning off dri and acpi made things run *much* better. If DRI doesn't support a chipset it just fails to enable the accelarated 3d extension, and falls back to software 3d rendering. Unless you were testing 3d apps, you shouldn't have noticed any difference at all. ACPI does sound like a more logical suspect for slowness. Odd how the Z600 works fine[*] with ACPI, but the 505 doesn't (as mentioned in another mail, they're effectively the same machine but with a different keyboard afaict). Normally I'd suggest hunting for a BIOS update, but I know how painful it is trying to find updates for Vaio BIOS's only too well. I gave up last time after the n'th flash animation tried to load. Dave [*] FSVO 'fine'. -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From mharris at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 09:41:36 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: samsung syncmaster - monitor_database In-Reply-To: <3F5AEEAA.5080801@gmx.de> References: <3F5AEEAA.5080801@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >will_be_recognized/are_supported >the samsung syncmaster 15x, 17x, 19x >in severn1 or higher ? > > >some monitors should be replaced in the near future @work >@home i can not find a similar entry in the monitor-list from >redhat-config-xfree86 > > > >overview: >http://monitor.samsung.de/index_tft_syncmaster.asp > > >152T TFT >http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=318 > >172T TFT >http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=391 > >192T MM TFT >http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=810 > > > >in which file can i find the monitor_database? > >?? /usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py >import rhpl.monitor ?? Any CRT or DFP which supports DDC probing, will be autodetected automatically as long as the video driver supplied for your video card supports DDC probing on that type of display. If the display does not support DDC, or if the driver does not support DDC on that type of display, then autodetection will not work and the monitor needs to be selected from a list produced by the monitor database. If anyone has a monitor which does not autodetect on a particular video card, or through a KVM switch or some other peculiarity, they can get their monitor added to our MonitorDB by going to the manufacturer's website and downloading the vendor's Microsoft Windows "driver" file, or .INF file for their monitor. Once someone has submitted the .INF file, we can automate extracting the required information and adding it to our database. Once it's added to the database, manual monitor selection is possible in the config tools. Note that the DDC probe autodetection mechanism does not require the monitor to be listed in the database. The database is only needed for displays that are not autodetected for any reason. Hope this helps. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 09:56:17 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: beta/rawhide upgrade paths (was: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla) In-Reply-To: <1063046592.10875.19.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908144722.GJ4063@pua.nirvana> <1063046592.10875.19.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: >On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 10:47, Axel Thimm wrote: >> Seriously though I strongly second Alexandre's objection. If you want >> people to track betas or rawhide at least they should be assured that >> upgrade paths work. Leave the 20 in there until 2.4.23 or strip the >> "1." from the revision number. >> >> Yes, rawhide is for breaking things, but please not the versioning :( > >This happens regularly during the development cycle. Always has and >until people are perfect, there's not much that can be done about it. >Just have to strive to have it happen as rarely as possible. > >The exact same caveats apply for the RHN channel that have always >existed for rawhide -- the main difference is that the barrier to entry >is lower. I second this motion. A few weeks back, the xterm package had a slightly different problem which caused upgrades from the previous rawhide xterm to fail. While I received numerous bug reports (and still a few are coming in), the broken package which caused the problem was indeed a rawhide highly-experimental-do-not-test-this-if-you-can-not handle-breakage package, and as such a bit of breakage did occur. The very few number of people likely to have hit that problem seems to have stopped now that the fix has been available for a while, and so no further action is needed. A small handful of people might be left who have the broken xterm package, and will hit the problem still. In a month or two, it wont matter anymore at all. I suspect the kernel problem above will result in the same more or less. Rawhide is raw, expect it to break is the motto. Don't use/test it if you can't handle some amount of breakage like this is my advice. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 10:08:07 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Severn and Wine and Emulators In-Reply-To: <200309080645.41174.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200309080645.41174.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, HoytDuff wrote: >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:45:41 -0400 >From: HoytDuff >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Severn and Wine and Emulators > >Is the current Wine working with Severn? it got removed in RH9; any chance of >it coming back? The various reasons that wine was removed from RHL are highly unlikely to ever change, so it's equally highly unlikely that wine will ever be an official package that is part of RHL by default again. That doesn't prevent someone else from maintaining a package in Fedora or Freshrpms or somewhere though, and I would highly suggest either of those two places for wine rpms even if wine _was_ part of the distribution. Basically, wine changes quite quickly, and the distribution just simply can't track it's development that closely and keep it updated to current. If we were to ship wine, by the time the distribution is shipped to people and they're using it, the wine in the distribution is ancient. We also don't have the manpower to maintain it, so bug reports against wine are pretty useless IMHO, unless someone is using the latest snapshot of it - which we wouldn't be shipping. A project like fedora or freshrpms however can update their wine package every week or two to the latest version, and someone who is actually interested in maintaining and using wine running as smooth as possible is more likely to keep the package updated and running smooth as possible with higher priority. In the distribution, it would be a 3rd rate package probably unmaintained or maintained with as little effort as possible at best. So basically, by not including wine, we're doing a service to the community, by allowing them to get a much newer updated wine that is actively maintained by someone or someones in the community, and easily installable via apt/yum or the new up2date which has yum support built in. >How about the emulators: plex86, bochs, Win4Lin, the Mac >emulators. Anyone have them working? I have a report that VMware >works. plex86 project died long ago and is unmaintained currently as far as I recall. Bochs suffers a similar fate at one point I believe, but I'm not sure what it's current status is. Win4Lin is proprietary software unless something has changed, so it's not an option. All of these types of emulators/simulators/VMs, etc. are best maintained outside of the OS distribution itself, where the community can actively volunteer a lot more time to the maintenance of such packages than any attention an engineer would be spending on such a package which would be considered low priority. Hope this helps understand why such packages aren't in the distribution. Take care, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Sep 9 11:32:13 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: <01L0GEBE7QV60057CZ@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > James Olin Oden wrote : > > > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Wojtek Pilorz wrote: > > > > > > > Would something so simple as to check whether the name specified matches > > > > .*/hd[a-l] and only then allow up to 60 partitions would be acceptable for > > > > inclusion in RHL? > > > > > > There are too many exceptions for the rule to be useful. > > > > > > I know it's a pain for the three people who have a need for more than 16 > > You could add one other person that would be interested in this feature (-;. > > > > Seriously, what would be an acceptable check for this. Is there a for > > sure way of looking at something in /proc, or using an ioctl to verify > > that a drive is an ide drive? If so, I or the person originally emailing > > would be happy to code such a patch. > > I think that is the user does not know he is partitioning an IDE drive, > then he should partition at all. When you make above 16 partitions, you usually > have the neccessary amount of IQ to know, IMHO :-) > Don't care about the user, I want the fdisk program to allow the maximum partitions on a per drive basis. I realized after I wrote this the easy check to add into fdisk that would be correct IMHO is to check the major number of the device given. Knowing this it knows what device driver is controlling the disk and thus how many partitions it supports. Cheers...james From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 11:24:01 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Severn and Wine and Emulators In-Reply-To: from "Mike A. Harris" at Med 09, 2003 06:08:07 Message-ID: <200309091124.h89BO1902077@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > plex86 project died long ago and is unmaintained currently as far > as I recall. Bochs suffers a similar fate at one point I There was a little work more recently. A lot of the interest now for emulation of x86 is in qemu which is a portable x86 JIT. Qemu can do stuff like run wine on a ppc. > All of these types of emulators/simulators/VMs, etc. are best > maintained outside of the OS distribution itself, where the > community can actively volunteer a lot more time to the > maintenance of such packages than any attention an engineer would > be spending on such a package which would be considered low > priority. Actually for non x86 there may be good reasons to eventually merge Qemu with the core - the ability to run x86 packages when native ones are not available. From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Sep 9 12:02:23 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:02:23 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1 RC4 out In-Reply-To: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> References: <1063049359.4890.1.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> Message-ID: <3F5DC14F.6070407@gmx.de> Stephen Smoogen wrote: >Looks like a new RC has been put out. Any luck in getting it to compile >for Severn or Taroon? I will have to wait til later this week as I back >to a diskless 7.1 machine while my workstation gets fixed. > > ---- From: Stefan Taxhet Newsgroups: gmane.comp.openoffice.questions,gmane.comp.openoffice.releases,gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.general Subject: Re: Re: Latest Build 1.1RC4 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:49:19 +0200 ---- Hi Isaac, thanks for pointing at the problem. You are right, the OpenOffice.org 1.1RC4 Linux installation set was corrupt on the server "secsup". The correct file is now online and we are checking the other servers. Please make sure, that your md5sum matches the one published at http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.1rc4/md5sums.html b02ce8fbd82933767ef1ecc11363f81b OOo_1.1rc4_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz Thanks Stefan -- shrek-m From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Tue Sep 9 12:07:37 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:07:37 +0200 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: <01L0GEBE7QV60057CZ@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F5DDEA9.24591.4D19A2@localhost> Hi David, > There are also only 32 IDE > device files created by default on Red Hat Linux This used to be 16 until 7.0. No idea why the 16 extra device nodes were added, since it looks like Red Hat doesn't want to support IDE disks with more than 16 partitions. Kinda contradictory. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Tue Sep 9 12:30:50 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:30:50 +0200 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: References: <01L0GEBE7QV60057CZ@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F5DE41A.30123.625BAF@localhost> Hello James, > Don't care about the user, I want the fdisk program to allow the maximum > partitions on a per drive basis. The problem is MAXIMUM_PARTS is a constant, and the length of some arrays are based on this constant. This means you would also have to introduce a variable maximum_parts to use in equations. If we follow the number of device nodes logic MAXIMUM_PARTS should be 0, because currently I can create 16 partitions on a floppy disk of which I can use none, due to the fact that there are no device nodes available. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Tue Sep 9 13:58:55 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: <3F5DE41A.30123.625BAF@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello James, > > > Don't care about the user, I want the fdisk program to allow the maximum > > partitions on a per drive basis. > > The problem is MAXIMUM_PARTS is a constant, and the length of some arrays > are based on this constant. This means you would also have to introduce a > variable maximum_parts to use in equations. > Sounds like that is fairly doable. I might have time this week to look into this. > If we follow the number of device nodes logic MAXIMUM_PARTS should be 0, > because currently I can create 16 partitions on a floppy disk of which I > can use none, due to the fact that there are no device nodes available. > 0-; Thanks...james > Bye, > Leonard. > > -- > How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? > Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! > End all weapons of mass destruction. > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Tue Sep 9 13:49:23 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:49:23 +0200 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch Message-ID: <01L0GSDZKNDE005O2Y@rcum.uni-mb.si> From: James Olin Oden >On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > >> Hello James, >> >> > Don't care about the user, I want the fdisk program to allow the maximum >> > partitions on a per drive basis. >> >> The problem is MAXIMUM_PARTS is a constant, and the length of some arrays >> are based on this constant. This means you would also have to introduce a >> variable maximum_parts to use in equations. >> >Sounds like that is fairly doable. I might have time this week to look >into this. You actually believe this limit has a purpose ? So when somebody tries to use a linux rescue CD to partition a SCSI disk for a non-crippled OS that supports more than 16 partitions, he won't be able to do that ? I guess I'll switch to parted :-) Regards, David P.S.: It is even more fun when you list a disk with more than 16 partitions ( "fdisk -l" ) and fdisk kindly informs you that the partitions above 16 were deleted... From dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com Tue Sep 9 13:56:59 2003 From: dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com (Dave Ashby) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:56:59 -0400 Subject: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() In-Reply-To: <1063092482.13133.18.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1063066901.5556.5.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> <1063092482.13133.18.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1063115818.28013.2.camel@Seminole.cxm> Latest version I see on rawhide is 4.3.2-7. I saw the bugzilla entry, but it didn't link to the fixed rpms. What am I missing??? -dave On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 03:28, Nils Philippsen wrote: > Fixed in Rawhide (php-4.3.3-2), as you would have seen had you looked in > Bugzilla :o). > > Nils Dave Ashby dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com From j.sanchezf at terra.es Tue Sep 9 14:41:44 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:41:44 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn References: <200309082345.h88Nju726962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:45:56 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > You want echo "0" > or "3" > otherwise lots of shells will parse it as > > 3>/proc/sys/foo which is a redirect of fd 3 not writing 3... I checked that too. No, it is being set correctly and makes no difference on the result. Thanks, Julio From michael at ywow.org Tue Sep 9 16:27:28 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:27:28 -0400 Subject: Hardware List Detail References: <200309082345.h88Nju726962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <011d01c376ef$43a4c900$201e16ac@AllAccess> Folks, Just one detail with the new move away from boxed sets. According to the Red Hat Certified Program Hardware Information webpage, users who've purchased the "Official Boxed Set" can expect some level of hardware support from Red Hat. Can you say yet if that's going to change - perhaps to users with a "Basic" subscription to the Red Hat Network? Thanks, Mike Jang From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Tue Sep 9 17:54:00 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:54:00 +0200 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: References: <3F5DE41A.30123.625BAF@localhost> Message-ID: <3F5E2FD8.31891.8F603@localhost> Hi James, > > This means you would also have to introduce a > > variable maximum_parts to use in equations. > > > Sounds like that is fairly doable. I might have time this week to look into > this. Yes, but for personal use it is just as easy to just revert MAXIMUM_PARTS to 60. I don't expect such a patch to be accepted upstream, since with MAXIMUM_PARTS being 60 there is no use for it. And I don't expect Red Hat to accept the patch either since they obviously believe 16 partitions per disk is sufficient. So the effort to make such a patch seems rather futile. Not that I am going to stop you though :) . Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 18:21:52 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 09 Sep 2003 15:21:52 -0300 Subject: beta/rawhide upgrade paths (was: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla) In-Reply-To: <20030908144722.GJ4063@pua.nirvana> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908144722.GJ4063@pua.nirvana> Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2003, Axel Thimm wrote: > Seriously though I strongly second Alexandre's objection. If you want > people to track betas or rawhide at least they should be assured that > upgrade paths work. Upgrades from betas to betas or betas to final have never been meant to work. My only objection WRT version numbers is that, if you've already go the 2.4.22-20.1.etc kernel from RHN, it won't let you know if a newer 2.4.22-1.etc kernel is uploaded to the Severn updates channel. This will require action from the RHN team to remove the 2.4.22-20.1.etc kernel from the channel (which AFAICT was already done, so nobody else should be driven into a pit by RHN) and from every user who has already installed 2.4.22-20.1... to manually update to the next version as it makes it to the RHN channel then remove -20.1... if they'd like RHN to let them know about other updates. That's not a big deal, but it's something that IMHO we should have tried to avoid. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 18:24:34 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 09 Sep 2003 15:24:34 -0300 Subject: beta/rawhide upgrade paths (was: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla) In-Reply-To: References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908144722.GJ4063@pua.nirvana> <1063046592.10875.19.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2003, "Mike A. Harris" wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: >> The exact same caveats apply for the RHN channel that have always >> existed for rawhide -- the main difference is that the barrier to entry >> is lower. > Rawhide is raw, expect it to break is the motto. Don't use/test > it if you can't handle some amount of breakage like this is my > advice. The problem is that the RHN Severn updates channel, that people like myself may have found out about by just browsing the RHN web site, doesn't explain that it's rawhide under a different name. People surely still expect it to be beta software, but possibly not quite as raw as rawhide. Besides, with rawhide, you get to install stuff yourself. With RHN, it tells you what's new, and this versioning change prevents it from doing so. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Sep 9 19:02:55 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:02:55 -0400 Subject: Severn and Wine and Emulators In-Reply-To: <200309091124.h89BO1902077@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309091124.h89BO1902077@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309091502.55819.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 07:24 am, Alan Cox wrote: > Actually for non x86 there may be good reasons to eventually > merge Qemu with the core - the ability to run x86 packages when > native ones are not available. Other than inciting a riot amongst the I-hate-anything-even-remotely-related-to-Microsoft crowd, I think that would be very nice. Thanks for the tip on Qemu. Isn't it amazing what skillful coding, fast processors and lots of RAM can help accomplish? 8) -- Hoyt From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Sep 9 19:39:14 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:39:14 -0400 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: <01L0GSDZKNDE005O2Y@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L0GSDZKNDE005O2Y@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <200309091539.14726.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 09:49 am, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > P.S.: It is even more fun when you list a disk with more > than 16 partitions ( "fdisk -l" ) and fdisk kindly informs > you that the partitions above 16 were deleted... _There's_ a valid reason for raising the limit in the provided version of fdisk. -- Hoyt From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Sep 9 19:39:20 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:39:20 -0400 Subject: Opinions about MAXIMUM_PARTS crippling in util-linux-2.11r-miscfixes.patch In-Reply-To: <01L0GEBE7QV60057CZ@rcum.uni-mb.si> References: <01L0GEBE7QV60057CZ@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <200309091539.20253.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 03:10 am, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > That is strange, when I request some logical, meanigfull and user-friendly > feature, I get the "UNIX gives you enough rope...", but when I ask for > "more rope" they give me "oh, some users might be confused...". Too funny, but sadly too true. 8) -- Hoyt From nphilipp at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 19:44:50 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:44:50 +0200 Subject: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() In-Reply-To: <1063115818.28013.2.camel@Seminole.cxm> References: <1063066901.5556.5.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> <1063092482.13133.18.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1063115818.28013.2.camel@Seminole.cxm> Message-ID: <1063136690.10932.3.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 15:56, Dave Ashby wrote: > Latest version I see on rawhide is 4.3.2-7. > I saw the bugzilla entry, but it didn't link to the fixed rpms. > What am I missing??? That Rawhide hasn't been pushed since? We don't push every package release out to the people, it would be quite a burden to our rsync server and the mirrors having heavyweights like XFree86 or the kernel being updated often many times a day. Be patient, it will get there. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gnome at nazeman.org Tue Sep 9 20:55:53 2003 From: gnome at nazeman.org (nazeman) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:55:53 +0200 Subject: Beta 2 ??? Message-ID: <1063140952.4685.6.camel@vaio> hello how about beta 2 ?? i don't want download beta1 ist 1,5 month old but no new for a new beta for testing ? nazeman From hoyt at cavtel.net Tue Sep 9 21:55:27 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:55:27 -0400 Subject: Beta 2 ??? In-Reply-To: <1063140952.4685.6.camel@vaio> References: <1063140952.4685.6.camel@vaio> Message-ID: <200309091755.27076.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 04:55 pm, nazeman wrote: > how about beta 2 ?? i don't want download beta1 ist 1,5 month old but no > new for a new beta for testing ? As far as I can tell, install beta1 and use yum (get it from rawhide) to upgrade from rawhide. I believe we're waiting on an "announcement" on September 15th that affects what happens next. -- Hoyt From listman at depfyffer.com Wed Sep 10 02:07:50 2003 From: listman at depfyffer.com (listman at depfyffer.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Can I upgrade from 9 with YUM? Message-ID: <33495.192.168.1.98.1063159670.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> Sorry if this has been asked but I didn't see it in the archive. Subject say's it all, Can I upgrade a stock 9 install to the curent beta version. One more, regarding the previous post from Hoyt, whats happening on the 15th? Sorry but I've been praying to my other God and haven't been keeping up. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Sep 10 02:06:24 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:06:24 -0400 Subject: Can I upgrade from 9 with YUM? In-Reply-To: <33495.192.168.1.98.1063159670.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> References: <33495.192.168.1.98.1063159670.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> Message-ID: <1063159583.3528.10.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 22:07, listman at depfyffer.com wrote: > Sorry if this has been asked but I didn't see it in the archive. > Subject say's it all, Can I upgrade a stock 9 install to the curent beta > version. One more, regarding the previous post from Hoyt, whats happening > on the 15th? Sorry but I've been praying to my other God and haven't been > keeping up. > yum->rawhide should work, yes. read rhl.redhat.com they say they will post news on or around the 15th. -sv From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Wed Sep 10 02:17:14 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:17:14 -0700 Subject: Can I upgrade from 9 with YUM? In-Reply-To: <33495.192.168.1.98.1063159670.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> References: <33495.192.168.1.98.1063159670.squirrel@www.depfyffer.com> Message-ID: <1063160234.7187.2.camel@suburbia> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 19:07, listman at depfyffer.com wrote: > Sorry if this has been asked but I didn't see it in the archive. > Subject say's it all, Can I upgrade a stock 9 install to the curent beta > version. That's how I updated to rawhide. I grabbed the yum package out of rawhide, and installed it, and then (as root) ran yum update. IIRC, there were a few packages from rawhide that I have to update manually, and it took a while (even though I was at work, with an _extremely_fast_ connection). -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From kpyau at ec-partners.com Wed Sep 10 02:19:31 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:19:31 +0800 Subject: testing Message-ID: <3F5E8A33.6000305@ec-partners.com> testing only. From kpyau at ec-partners.com Wed Sep 10 03:55:25 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:55:25 +0800 Subject: How to resize my existing linux os partition size? Message-ID: <3F5EA0AD.4080108@ec-partners.com> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 5.8G 5.2G 296M 95% / /dev/hda2 29G 677M 27G 3% /home none 125M 0 125M 0% /dev/shm i have a larger apace in my /dev/hda harddisk. i need to resize my /dev/hda1 (5.8 gig) to 7 gig. if i use partition magic, after i resize, do i get error message? somebody can guide me what tool to use and what which manual to read? Thanks Linux folks Banzai to Linux From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Sep 10 04:59:53 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:59:53 +0200 Subject: How to resize my existing linux os partition size? In-Reply-To: <3F5EA0AD.4080108@ec-partners.com> References: <3F5EA0AD.4080108@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <1063169992.24030.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mer 10/09/2003 ? 05:55, Nicholas Yau a ?crit : > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 5.8G 5.2G 296M 95% / > /dev/hda2 29G 677M 27G 3% /home > none 125M 0 125M 0% /dev/shm > > i have a larger apace in my /dev/hda harddisk. > i need to resize my /dev/hda1 (5.8 gig) to 7 gig. > > if i use partition magic, after i resize, do i get error message? > > somebody can guide me what tool to use and what which manual to read? > parted : http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ Not easy to use. doc : http://www.gnu.org/manual/parted-1.6.1/ RH9 and severn is provided with parted. > Thanks > > Linux folks > Banzai to Linux -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Sep 10 05:23:40 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:23:40 -0400 Subject: Beta 2 ??? In-Reply-To: <1063171240.3831.9.camel@Linux1> References: <1063140952.4685.6.camel@vaio> <200309091755.27076.hoyt@cavtel.net> <1063171240.3831.9.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <1063171420.3528.15.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 01:20, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > tir, 2003-09-09 kl. 23:55 skrev HoytDuff: > > As far as I can tell, install beta1 and use yum (get it from rawhide) to > > upgrade from rawhide. I believe we're waiting on an "announcement" on > > September 15th that affects what happens next. > > What happens 15th September? > good question. Read rhl.redhat.com. That's about the best answer for the moment. -sv From carlsont at homemail.bjt.net Wed Sep 10 05:55:52 2003 From: carlsont at homemail.bjt.net (Thomas Carlson) Date: 09 Sep 2003 22:55:52 -0700 Subject: Beta 2 ??? In-Reply-To: <1063171420.3528.15.camel@binkley> References: <1063140952.4685.6.camel@vaio> <200309091755.27076.hoyt@cavtel.net> <1063171240.3831.9.camel@Linux1> <1063171420.3528.15.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1063173352.4173.19.camel@xpc.tecsplace.com> Straight from the web page mentioned below... We expect to have more information for you by September 15th. Does this mean Beta2? Or does this mean something else? Your guess is as good as mine. It will be fun to find out though. :-) Cheers, Thomas On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 22:23, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 01:20, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > tir, 2003-09-09 kl. 23:55 skrev HoytDuff: > > > As far as I can tell, install beta1 and use yum (get it from rawhide) to > > > upgrade from rawhide. I believe we're waiting on an "announcement" on > > > September 15th that affects what happens next. > > > > What happens 15th September? > > > > good question. > > Read rhl.redhat.com. > That's about the best answer for the moment. > > -sv > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From alan at clueserver.org Wed Sep 10 07:54:33 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 10 Sep 2003 00:54:33 -0700 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <20030909084728.GA22417@redhat.com> References: <1063082837.18603.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063083203.18051.5.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> <20030909084728.GA22417@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063180473.23146.6.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 01:47, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:53:23PM -0700, Alan wrote: > > The problem was actually caused by the X server trying to use dri on a > > chipset that really did not support it. It was causing abnormal cpu > > load. Turning off dri and acpi made things run *much* better. > > If DRI doesn't support a chipset it just fails to enable the accelarated > 3d extension, and falls back to software 3d rendering. Unless you were > testing 3d apps, you shouldn't have noticed any difference at all. I finally ran the test to check what actually caused the problem... (Never run large downloads after find something out like that because you know you will have to reboot for just that reason...) DRI was *not* the problem. > ACPI does sound like a more logical suspect for slowness. > Odd how the Z600 works fine[*] with ACPI, but the 505 doesn't > (as mentioned in another mail, they're effectively the same machine > but with a different keyboard afaict). Hopefully a bit more sturdy than this one... ACPI was the problem.Since I don't use any of the features of ACPI at the moment, I am not worried about it. I am more concerned by other issues. (Such as the weird messages i get when i try and use the CD-ROM drive. I can make it work, but it requires a big stick and repeated percussive maintenance.) > Normally I'd suggest hunting for a BIOS update, but I know how painful > it is trying to find updates for Vaio BIOS's only too well. > I gave up last time after the n'th flash animation tried to load. I need to investigate that route. Not certain if I will have much luck at getting a fix though. The machine is upgraded far beyond anything they claim can be done. (But then again, the warranty was violated almost as soon as I opened the box.) -- Alan From jorton at redhat.com Wed Sep 10 09:57:22 2003 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:57:22 +0100 Subject: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() In-Reply-To: <1063136690.10932.3.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1063066901.5556.5.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> <1063092482.13133.18.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <1063115818.28013.2.camel@Seminole.cxm> <1063136690.10932.3.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <20030910095722.GA4184@redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:44:50PM +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 15:56, Dave Ashby wrote: > > Latest version I see on rawhide is 4.3.2-7. > > I saw the bugzilla entry, but it didn't link to the fixed rpms. > > What am I missing??? > > That Rawhide hasn't been pushed since? We don't push every package > release out to the people, it would be quite a burden to our rsync > server and the mirrors having heavyweights like XFree86 or the kernel > being updated often many times a day. > > Be patient, it will get there. I've put the packages up at: http://people.redhat.com/jorton/php-Severn/ in the meantime. joe From j.sanchezf at terra.es Wed Sep 10 11:13:25 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:13:25 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn References: <200309082345.h88Nju726962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:41:44 +0200, Julio Sanchez wrote: > I checked that too. No, it is being set correctly and makes no difference > on the result. What I have done is to downgrade to kernel-2.4.20-20.9 and both examples run correctly now. So it is the kernel or the kernel triggers it elsewhere (glibc?). Do I report it in bugzilla under kernel? Is there anything I can do it to diagnose it better? Transcode is too large a thing that depends on too many libraries to be sure. Thanks, Julio From nbecker at hns.com Wed Sep 10 11:44:02 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:44:02 -0400 Subject: am-utils 6.1? Message-ID: <200309100744.02558.nbecker@hns.com> I have been interested in trying amd with autofs support for some time. Anyone know the status? The current RH9 version is 6.0, and doesn't support autofs. The current issue of linux journal mentions amd + autofs. From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Wed Sep 10 12:06:30 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:06:30 +0200 Subject: How to resize my existing linux os partition size? In-Reply-To: <3F5EA0AD.4080108@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <3F5F2FE6.24255.A0911@localhost> Hi Nicholas, > i have a larger apace in my /dev/hda harddisk. > i need to resize my /dev/hda1 (5.8 gig) to 7 gig. These kind of questions are better asked at redhat-list at redhat.com or redhat-install-list at redhat.com. This is a list specific for the beta releases of Red Hat Linux. Visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list or https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list to subscribe to one of the above mentioned lists. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Sep 10 12:29:56 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:29:56 -0500 Subject: How to resize my existing linux os partition size? In-Reply-To: <3F5F2FE6.24255.A0911@localhost> References: <3F5F2FE6.24255.A0911@localhost> Message-ID: <1063196996.9167.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 07:06, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hi Nicholas, > > > i have a larger apace in my /dev/hda harddisk. > > i need to resize my /dev/hda1 (5.8 gig) to 7 gig. > > These kind of questions are better asked at redhat-list at redhat.com or > redhat-install-list at redhat.com. This is a list specific for the beta > releases of Red Hat Linux. Um, he never mentioned in his original email whether he was using the beta or not, so how do you know he's not talking about the beta? And, whether it's a beta or one of the official releases, the question has no problem being on this list. Parted is on most if not all of the releases, not just one particular one. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "I'd insult you, but you wouldn't know the difference!" From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Wed Sep 10 13:09:48 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:09:48 +0200 Subject: How to resize my existing linux os partition size? In-Reply-To: <1063196996.9167.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <3F5F2FE6.24255.A0911@localhost> Message-ID: <3F5F3EBC.21505.43F5DE@localhost> Hi Mike, > Um, he never mentioned in his original email whether he was using the > beta or not, so how do you know he's not talking about the beta? Just a hunch :) . > And, > whether it's a beta or one of the official releases, the question has no > problem being on this list. Parted is on most if not all of the releases, > not just one particular one. I have no problem with the question either, it's just that I think Nicholas has a broader audience, more biased towards general configuration questions on either of the mentioned lists, and thus *in general* might get a quicker response there. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 10 13:54:56 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:54:56 -0400 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn In-Reply-To: ; from j.sanchezf@terra.es on Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 01:13:25PM +0200 References: <200309082345.h88Nju726962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030910095456.A8188@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 01:13:25PM +0200, Julio Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:41:44 +0200, Julio Sanchez wrote: > > > I checked that too. No, it is being set correctly and makes no difference > > on the result. > > What I have done is to downgrade to kernel-2.4.20-20.9 and both examples > run correctly now. Can you please try kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl from RHN? There have been several fixes to exec-shield there. I know turning off exec-shield didn't fix it, but it's still possible that it is the culprit. > So it is the kernel or the kernel triggers it elsewhere (glibc?). > > Do I report it in bugzilla under kernel? Is there anything I can do it to > diagnose it better? Transcode is too large a thing that depends on too > many libraries to be sure. Is it linking against any object files that you neither recompiled yourself nor obtained as an integral part of Severn? (I.e. did you get any of those "too many libraries" in object form?) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Sep 10 15:48:26 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:48:26 -0400 Subject: Bug #104156 - unable to login after gdm update Message-ID: <200309101148.26883.elwoo@videotron.ca> Summary: unable to login after updating gdm. Login manager refuses to accept password, after updating to gdm-2.4.4.0-2 from rawhide. Kindly add comments, accordingly. Thanks. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Sep 10 19:09:59 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:09:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn In-Reply-To: <20030910095456.A8188@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Can you please try kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl from RHN? There have > been several fixes to exec-shield there. I know turning off exec-shield > didn't fix it, but it's still possible that it is the culprit. > > > So it is the kernel or the kernel triggers it elsewhere (glibc?). > > > > Do I report it in bugzilla under kernel? Is there anything I can do it to > > diagnose it better? Transcode is too large a thing that depends on too > > many libraries to be sure. > > Is it linking against any object files that you neither recompiled > yourself nor obtained as an integral part of Severn? (I.e. did > you get any of those "too many libraries" in object form?) I may be seeing something similar while trying to run uml kernels. In my case the segfault is in a memcpy very early on in the uml boot, no libraries are involved, 2040 does exactly the same thing, and the same thing happens with the 2039 kernel on an RH9 system. The kernels boot fine with a 2.6 kernel under severn, or on a standard RH9 system. Michael Young From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Sep 10 20:21:01 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:21:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, M A Young wrote: > I may be seeing something similar while trying to run uml kernels. In my > case the segfault is in a memcpy very early on in the uml boot, no > libraries are involved, 2040 does exactly the same thing, and the same > thing happens with the 2039 kernel on an RH9 system. The kernels boot fine > with a 2.6 kernel under severn, or on a standard RH9 system. Actually further investigation reveals the uml kernel is doing something not very exec-shield friendly. It tries to copy some of its executable bits to new bits of memory. Unfortunately the final chunk is everything from a certain point to sbrk(0), ie. the start of the data stack, and it seems in severn kernels that the code and data segments are no longer adjacent, so it tries to copy 26Mb rather than under 1Mb, including bits it presumably has no right to copy. Michael Young From janina at rednote.net Wed Sep 10 21:03:06 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:03:06 -0400 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309081150.h88Bots25223@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <008b01c375cb$23d1f8c0$152ea8c0@august> <200309081150.h88Bots25223@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030910210306.GE7533@rednote.net> Alan Cox writes: > From: Alan Cox > Java is almost freed now, if you really care about it you might want to join > the gcj projects. > This is very interesting. Does gcj include accessibility support? A substitute for the java-access-bridge, for example? Just trying to stay on top of things without joining every list I should read from time to time ... Thanks for the heads up. Janina > Alan > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 From ted at cypress.com Wed Sep 10 21:37:55 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:37:55 -0500 Subject: Nautilus still doesn't do wildcards? In-Reply-To: <20030829100933.A31430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1062006123.14693.7.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062056687.21713.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F4E42CE.2060108@cypress.com> <20030829100933.A31430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F5F99B3.6080907@cypress.com> Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:58:38PM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > >>Is anyone, especially upstream developers, working on it? >>Is the a plan for nautilus, expected features and rought ideas on when >>they will be worked on? Or is development of new features completly >>random and hap-hazard? > There is no answer to the question, "when will X be finished?" or > "will feature X be implemented?" The answer to both questions is "when > and if someone does the work." If the someone is you, then you know So nobody is directing development of nautilus similar to to OpenOffice.org,Mozilla, or GIMP where there are planned features for later release which get priority attention for the developers. Sure, other features are developed too, but those projects usually have a set of features being worked on or planned. So, to the best of your knowledge, no one is currently working on wildcard support? Know if anyone has attempted it in the recent past? -Thomas From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Wed Sep 10 23:05:06 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:05:06 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:05:14 BST." <20030908210514.GR718@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309102305.BAA22848@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> davej at redhat.com said: > Some of Ingo's fixes to exec-shield that I merged today fixed up > problems reported with tuxracer, could be the loki games are hitting > the same bug. Will be in the next push. Today, I tried 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, both in default mode and after echo "0" >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield heroes3 still bombs... Cheers, Christian From nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com Thu Sep 11 00:40:41 2003 From: nsilva-list at aoi.atari-source.com (Noah Silva [Mailing list]) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Error 28 when trying to dial with modem... Message-ID: Hi, I have a desktop with an external motorola 56k modem. I set it up from within redhat-config-network, and kudzu sees it as well. I tested it from minicom, and it works. Trying to connect from the control panel though, it gived me "Failed to activate ppp0 with error 28". Of course error 28 has no description, nor did I even know what program it actually came from. I tried a laptop with severn on it as well, and got the same error. i eventually found some postings about the same error code (not in severn though), and found I could use ppp-watch. It also stops with error 28. The man page for ppp-watch isn't helpful at all, and doesn't have any error codes either. Where is a list of error codes and descriptions? Is this bug in bugzilla? Any suggestions? thanks, noah silva From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Sep 11 01:55:17 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:55:17 +0200 Subject: cryptoloop Message-ID: <1063245316.13357.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> The last rawhide kernel seems to use the new cryptoapi : http://cvs.kerneli.org/cryptoapi2-core/ Unlike the RH9 kernel, the last rawhide kernel lack of cryptoloop support (or i miss something). I build kernel and util-linux packages with cryptoloop support. The difficulty is to find the right patch :-( rebuild kernel package is require because cryptoloop needs a new loop module witch conflict with the redhat loop module. http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/cryptoloop_rawhide/ (currently down) or http://fmatias.dyndns.org/~f.matias/cryptoloop_rawhide/ (my home computer with a few bandwidth ). Notice that you may need "--phash rmd160old" (or "phash=rmd160old" in /etc/fstab) to access old crypted content. WARNING : I am not a hacker ! With mozilla and epiphany from rawhide, this page is broken : http://fmatias.dyndns.org/manual/index.html I run RedHat Linux Rawhide with default httpd.conf. This is the only customisation i have /etc/httpd/conf.d/userdir_f.matias.conf : --------------------------- UserDir enabled f.matias UserDir public_html Options Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch MultiViews AllowOverride AuthConfig Limit Indexes --------------------------- It's a mozilla or apache bug ? -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Previously, the problem was with mozilla locking up on the 2039 kernel an works alright using the kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl kernel. What has changed between the kernel versions that causes the pmcia lockup? Jim -- VMS Beer: Requires minimal user interaction, except for popping the top and sipping. However cans have been known on occasion to explode, or contain extremely un-beer-like contents. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Sep 11 05:30:24 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:30:24 +0200 Subject: cryptoloop In-Reply-To: <1063245316.13357.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063245316.13357.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063258223.13357.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeu 11/09/2003 ? 03:55, F?liciano Matias a ?crit : > With mozilla and epiphany from rawhide, this page is broken : > http://fmatias.dyndns.org/manual/index.html > The new httpd-2.0.47-6 fix this. The bug : http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101015 BTW, why we can not only use "Red Hat Raw Hide" Product in bugzilla during beta test ? At the present time severn = rawhide and "Red Hat Linux Beta" product in bugzilla is useless (AFAIK). I miss this bug because i am in the habit of using "Red Hat Linux Beta" product with bugzilla. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know, explain what the problem is (I can see a page). Next time please use a separate mail for a second request (or at least put a hint in the subject line that it contains more than cryptoloop stuff ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alexl at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 08:08:27 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 11 Sep 2003 10:08:27 +0200 Subject: Nautilus still doesn't do wildcards? In-Reply-To: <3F5F99B3.6080907@cypress.com> References: <1062006123.14693.7.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <1062056687.21713.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F4E42CE.2060108@cypress.com> <20030829100933.A31430@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F5F99B3.6080907@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1063267706.24512.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 23:37, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Havoc Pennington wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:58:38PM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > >>Is anyone, especially upstream developers, working on it? > >>Is the a plan for nautilus, expected features and rought ideas on when > >>they will be worked on? Or is development of new features completly > >>random and hap-hazard? > > > There is no answer to the question, "when will X be finished?" or > > "will feature X be implemented?" The answer to both questions is "when > > and if someone does the work." If the someone is you, then you know > > So nobody is directing development of nautilus similar to to > OpenOffice.org,Mozilla, or GIMP where there are planned features for > later release which get priority attention for the developers. Sure, > other features are developed too, but those projects usually have a set > of features being worked on or planned. I'm the maintainer, and as such I direct the development. I have a list of important stuff that has to be worked on. We have certain prioritized features that we hope to work on for the next release. However there just aren't that many developers (two basically), and I also maintain other gnome packages, and have many other responsibilities in Red Hat (such as fixing bugs in the betas). So, even if something is prio one for the nautilus developers there is no guarante when it will be worked on. > So, to the best of your knowledge, no one is currently working on > wildcard support? Know if anyone has attempted it in the recent past? Its on my todo list (along with many other things). Nobody else have expressed interest in working on it. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a notorious skateboarding boxer from the Mississippi delta. She's a strong-willed belly-dancing mercenary from out of town. They fight crime! From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Thu Sep 11 09:24:48 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:24:48 +0300 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063260273.4224.20.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <200309102305.BAA22848@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> <1063260273.4224.20.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <200309111224.48727.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Viestiss? Torstai 11. Syyskuuta 2003 09:04, Nils Philippsen kirjoitti: > > Today, I tried 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, both in default mode and after > > echo "0" >/proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield > > heroes3 still bombs... > > Give it a try with kernel.exec-shield=0 and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 (or > 2.2.5). No effect, Alpha Centauri segfaults the same way as before. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Thu Sep 11 09:36:31 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:36:31 +0200 Subject: Test kernel In-Reply-To: <3F5FF1EB.9000201@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F605E3F.16148.1EB7DF@localhost> Hello Jim, > I tried out kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl on an HP ze4315us laptop and it > locked up on pcmcia when booting the machine. You could try upgrading to kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36 and see if your problem persists. If so search https://bugzilla.redhat.com and if nothing is found submit a bug report. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Thu Sep 11 09:51:55 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:51:55 +0200 Subject: cryptoloop In-Reply-To: <1063258223.13357.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063245316.13357.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F6061DB.2437.2CD28B@localhost> Hello F?liciano, > I miss this bug because i am in the habit of using "Red Hat Linux Beta" > product with bugzilla. When querying a bug I usually select both Red Hat Linux and -Beta, maybe also Enterprise Public Beta, and all releases since (or more acurately below) say 7.3, the correct package and all status types. Sort in descending bug number order (set the sort order once in an advanced search and keep the cookie) and you will usually get a list that is quite easy to handle (not too big). And the latest bug reports are at the top. Now isn't that fancy ;) ? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Sep 11 09:56:21 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:56:21 +0200 Subject: update to kernel-2.4.22-1.2040 Message-ID: <1063274179.955.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> for rpm (and up2date/yum/apt) the new kernel (2.4.22-1.2040.nptl) is older than the previous kernel (2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl). So use "rpm -U --oldpackages" to update. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 11 10:24:06 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: reiser 4 under 2.6.0-test5? Message-ID: has anyone taken a stab at this yet? earlier, i found the following file at ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/tmp: 2.6.0-test5-reiser4-2.6.0-test5.diff.bz2 which certainly looked like an attempt at reiser 4 support under the latest test kernel. it patched cleanly, and i did a config to select reiser 4 support, but when i ran make, i got an error referring to a missing "fs/reiser4/Makefile" file. turns out that there *is* a fs/reiserfs directory, but not a "fs/reiser4", so i just tossed in a symlink reiser4 -> reiserfs in that "fs" directory, and the build worked. i haven't yet had time to reboot and test, but the fact that the build worked is a good sign. there are, of course, new reiserfsprogs for this as well. comments? anyone else trying this? rday From warren at togami.com Thu Sep 11 11:03:13 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:03:13 -1000 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <3F5B2169.7010802@earthlink.net> References: <0DBC5E5E7CD8D311B97B009027991BD320EBA5@amphussbs.amphus.com> <20030906010807.16e4df12.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1062892676.11048.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F5B2169.7010802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1063278193.2959.10.camel@laptop> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 02:15, Gerry Tool wrote: > So, I did that, all successfully for xine in RHL9. I put in a dvd and > xine automatically came up. I clicked on its DVD button and got two > error boxes: > > - xine engine error - > Input plugin failed to open mrl 'dvd:/' > > and > > The source can't be read. > Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't > contain data (e.g: not disc in dirve). (/dev/dvd) > > /dev/dvd is a link to /dev/scd1 which is my dvd drive. > > Does anyone know what I need to do to get this to work? > I've seen /dev/dvd not work AT ALL with certain kernels on certain systems, or I need to completely disable ide-scsi during bootup in order for DVD playing to work. This was much older versions of the software though. Warren From warren at togami.com Thu Sep 11 11:07:32 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:07:32 -1000 Subject: RH10 multimedia support In-Reply-To: <200309061236.h86CaKQ14846@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309061236.h86CaKQ14846@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063278452.2959.14.camel@laptop> On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 02:36, Alan Cox wrote: > > accept plugins, without actually pre-packaging the plugins in the > > distribution? > > People who ship proprietary software have actually been able to get > permission to do things like rpm/dpkg package some of the plugins by > vendors. Its not something the project would do itself as its non-free > code but its something people who want that proprietary code may be able > to negotiate in many cases, or perhaps even encourage vendors to do > themselves http://macromedia.mplug.org/ Indeed. A while back I negotiated redistribution rights for Macromedia's binary-only Flash Plugin for Linux. This allowed me to make RPM packages and distribute them in apt/yum repositories. Back then I was working on negotiating with other proprietary vendors like Adobe and Opera Software, but I ran out of time. It usually isn't very hard to convince the companies if you speak to the right people and inform them about the benefits of RPM packaging and automatic distribution/upgrades with yum/apt. The company itself may be interested in running their own repository. Warren Togami warren at togami.com From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Sep 11 11:30:22 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:30:22 -0400 Subject: Test kernel In-Reply-To: <3F605E3F.16148.1EB7DF@localhost> References: <3F605E3F.16148.1EB7DF@localhost> Message-ID: <3F605CCE.4060001@insight.rr.com> Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello Jim, > > >>I tried out kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl on an HP ze4315us laptop and it >>locked up on pcmcia when booting the machine. > > > You could try upgrading to kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36 and see if your > problem persists. If so search https://bugzilla.redhat.com and if nothing > is found submit a bug report. The problem with locking up on pcmcia is not a problem with the kernel version 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36 - It locks up mozilla, but boots alright and every other tried feature works. I didn't know if later kernel versions were going to bust my laptop again. RH9 and about every other Linux distribution that I have tried locked up on pcmcia, for this HP laptop. Updating to the 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl was intended to test if Mozilla works again and not the pcmcia feature. I did try the *2040.nptl version on my 815 chipset based computer and it did not get mozilla working yet on that machine. Thunderbird mailer works on the 815 based desktop (P III). I haven't tried Firebird out to see if it works yet or not. My current guess is that it is more related to the browser than the mailer. But this machine still has a busted GNOME. (Since the nptl series of kernels and post 2.5.68 developmental kernels. This happened on RH9. Severn was always busted) I'll try to seperate all of the issues for submitting bug reports. Both for the laptop and then for the desktop. Thanks, Jim > > Bye, > Leonard. -- Order and simplification are the first steps toward mastery of a subject -- the actual enemy is the unknown. -- Thomas Mann From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Thu Sep 11 11:46:44 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:46:44 +0200 Subject: Test kernel In-Reply-To: <3F605E3F.16148.1EB7DF@localhost> References: <3F5FF1EB.9000201@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F607CC4.16388.95F4BE@localhost> Hi Jim, > > I tried out kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl on an HP ze4315us laptop and it > > locked up on pcmcia when booting the machine. > > You could try upgrading to kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36 Sorry for that. Thought you made a typo and I don't see this kernel in Rawhide yet. Guess I'll have to wait a few more hours (or another day). Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From jdy at cs.brown.edu Thu Sep 11 12:16:09 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:16:09 -0400 Subject: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:19:34 +0200." <1063261173.4224.35.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1063261173.4224.35.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <20030911121610.F059A3F6F@null.cs.brown.edu> Gives this error: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: relocation error: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: undefined symbol: ORBit_skel_class_register 1.3.7 was fine. ORBit2-2.6.2-2 ORBit2-devel-2.6.2-2 ORBit-0.5.17-10.3 ORBit-devel-0.5.17-10.3 Joel -------- From: Nils Philippsen Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:19:34 +0200 To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com Subj: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide You can get Galeon-1.3.8 packages for Severn/Rawhide at: http://lisas.de/~nils/redhat/severn/ These are sigend with my GPG key. Enjoy, Nils Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From jdy at cs.brown.edu Thu Sep 11 12:46:29 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:46:29 -0400 Subject: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:19:40 +0200." <20030911121939.GA31553@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1063261173.4224.35.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <20030911121610.F059A3F6F@null.cs.brown.edu> <20030911121939.GA31553@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <20030911124629.37C413F4E@null.cs.brown.edu> Nils wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 08:16:09AM -0400, Joel Young wrote: > > > > Gives this error: > > > > /usr/bin/galeon-bin: relocation error: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: undefined symbol: ORBit_skel_class_register > > > > 1.3.7 was fine. > > > > ORBit2-2.6.2-2 > > ORBit2-devel-2.6.2-2 > > You need ORBit2-2.8.0-1 for this to work which you can get from Rawhide FTP. Yes. I tried upgrading to ORBit2 from rawhide (said version). This requires upgrading libIDL. The consequences of upgrading these two packages is a completely dorked system. galeon no longer gives the symbol error but instead tells me that bonobo is messed up and I should run bonobo-slay or something like that. The bonobo-activation framework becomes messed up. Logging out-logging back in doesn't help...panel crashes every second nautilus generates error dialogs every second. So I backed these out and will wait a bit. I can just rebuild the galeon src.rpm to avoid this dependency until I am ready to really upgrade my system? Joel -------- From: Nils Philippsen Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:19:40 +0200 To: Joel Young Cc: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com Subj: Re: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Sep 11 12:49:27 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:49:27 +0200 Subject: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20030911121610.F059A3F6F@null.cs.brown.edu> References: <1063261173.4224.35.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <20030911121610.F059A3F6F@null.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <1063284566.1564.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeu 11/09/2003 ? 14:16, Joel Young a ?crit : > Gives this error: > > /usr/bin/galeon-bin: relocation error: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: undefined symbol: ORBit_skel_class_register > > 1.3.7 was fine. > > ORBit2-2.6.2-2 > ORBit2-devel-2.6.2-2 > ORBit-0.5.17-10.3 > ORBit-devel-0.5.17-10.3 > It's ok here. Rawhide : ORBit2-2.8.0-1 You need to update to RawHide. > Joel > > -------- > From: Nils Philippsen > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:19:34 +0200 > To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > Subj: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide > > > You can get Galeon-1.3.8 packages for Severn/Rawhide at: > > http://lisas.de/~nils/redhat/severn/ > > These are sigend with my GPG key. > > Enjoy, > Nils > > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 > PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there an glibc* update somewhere that i can test on severn, or do i have to wait for beta2 or final version? kh ------------------------------------------------------------ F? din egen @start.no-adresse gratis p? http://www.start.no/ From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 12:57:52 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: 11 Sep 2003 14:57:52 +0200 Subject: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20030911124629.37C413F4E@null.cs.brown.edu> References: <1063261173.4224.35.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <20030911121610.F059A3F6F@null.cs.brown.edu> <20030911121939.GA31553@wombat.tiptoe.de> <20030911124629.37C413F4E@null.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <1063285071.7375.3.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 14:46, Joel Young wrote: > Nils wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 08:16:09AM -0400, Joel Young wrote: > > > > > > Gives this error: > > > > > > /usr/bin/galeon-bin: relocation error: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: undefined symbol: ORBit_skel_class_register > > > > > > 1.3.7 was fine. > > > > > > ORBit2-2.6.2-2 > > > ORBit2-devel-2.6.2-2 > > > > You need ORBit2-2.8.0-1 for this to work which you can get from Rawhide FTP. > > Yes. I tried upgrading to ORBit2 from rawhide (said version). > This requires upgrading libIDL. The consequences of upgrading > these two packages is a completely dorked system. > > galeon no longer gives the symbol error but instead tells me > that bonobo is messed up and I should run bonobo-slay or something > like that. The bonobo-activation framework becomes messed up. > Logging out-logging back in doesn't help...panel crashes every > second nautilus generates error dialogs every second. > > So I backed these out and will wait a bit. I can just rebuild > the galeon src.rpm to avoid this dependency until I am ready to > really upgrade my system? Should work. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kylem at xwell.org Thu Sep 11 13:27:33 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:27:33 -0500 Subject: seg fault on severn In-Reply-To: <1063284781.3f60702da8e60@epost.start.no> References: <1063284781.3f60702da8e60@epost.start.no> Message-ID: <1063286852.13585.2.camel@lando> On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 07:53, ketil hage wrote: > i have RedHat 9.0.93 installed on a laptop. Downlodaded the Citrix client and > installed it. I can configure Citrix, but get a seg fault when i try to connect > through wfica(the client). I suspect that glibc has something to do with it. Is > there an glibc* update somewhere that i can test on severn, or do i have to > wait for beta2 or final version? There are in fact glibc updates (as well as for hundreds of other packages). You'll need to upgrade to Raw Hide; the easiest way is to register the system with RHN (possibly with a demo account) and subscribe to the "Severn updates" channel (it's a subchannel of Severn). Don't forget the RHN certificate updates. -- Kyle Maxwell From j.sanchezf at terra.es Thu Sep 11 15:25:18 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:25:18 +0200 Subject: Compile on Severn, runs on RH9, segfaults on Severn References: <200309082345.h88Nju726962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030910095456.A8188@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:54:56 -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > Can you please try kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl from RHN? There have > been several fixes to exec-shield there. I know turning off exec-shield > didn't fix it, but it's still possible that it is the culprit. No difference for any value of exec-shield. > Is it linking against any object files that you neither recompiled > yourself nor obtained as an integral part of Severn? (I.e. did > you get any of those "too many libraries" in object form?) In general, yes. However, for the very simple case I am using I think all loaded libraries are either from Severn (as upgraded form Rawhide or RHN) or compiled by myself over the last few days. Thanks, Julio From benhsu at dslextreme.com Thu Sep 11 15:25:46 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: 11 Sep 2003 08:25:46 -0700 Subject: examining initrd contents Message-ID: <1063293946.5292.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi. I just compiled 2.6.0-test5 and found that the initrd was > 2x bigger than it was in test4. In fact I had to tweak /sbin/mkinitrd as it was running out of space when making it. I am curious about this and want to examine the contents of the test5 initrd. How would I go about it? I tried "mount -o loop /boot/initrd-2.6.0-test5.img /tmp/loop0" but it hangs From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 11 15:30:54 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: examining initrd contents In-Reply-To: <1063293946.5292.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 11 Sep 2003, Ben Hsu wrote: > Hi. > > I just compiled 2.6.0-test5 and found that the initrd was > 2x bigger > than it was in test4. In fact I had to tweak /sbin/mkinitrd as it was > running out of space when making it. I am curious about this and want to > examine the contents of the test5 initrd. How would I go about it? > I tried "mount -o loop /boot/initrd-2.6.0-test5.img /tmp/loop0" but it > hangs it's a gzipped file. do something like $ gunzip -c > outfile the outfile should be a mountable filesystem. rday p.s. all from memory. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Sep 11 15:35:35 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:35:35 +0200 Subject: examining initrd contents In-Reply-To: <1063293946.5292.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063293946.5292.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063294535.1564.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeu 11/09/2003 ? 17:25, Ben Hsu a ?crit : > Hi. > > I just compiled 2.6.0-test5 and found that the initrd was > 2x bigger > than it was in test4. In fact I had to tweak /sbin/mkinitrd as it was > running out of space when making it. I am curious about this and want to > examine the contents of the test5 initrd. How would I go about it? > I tried "mount -o loop /boot/initrd-2.6.0-test5.img /tmp/loop0" but it > hangs > $ zcat initrd-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl.img > img $ mkdir tmp $ mount -t ext2 -o loop img tmp > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us Thu Sep 11 16:26:27 2003 From: joden at malachi.lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: examining initrd contents In-Reply-To: <1063293946.5292.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 11 Sep 2003, Ben Hsu wrote: > Hi. > > I just compiled 2.6.0-test5 and found that the initrd was > 2x bigger > than it was in test4. In fact I had to tweak /sbin/mkinitrd as it was > running out of space when making it. I am curious about this and want to > examine the contents of the test5 initrd. How would I go about it? > I tried "mount -o loop /boot/initrd-2.6.0-test5.img /tmp/loop0" but it > hangs > Its gzipped compressed so do something like: gzip -d < /boot/initrd-2.6.0-test5.img > /tmp/initrd mount -o loop /tmp/initrd /tmp/loop0 Cheers...james > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Thu Sep 11 15:51:54 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:51:54 -0500 Subject: Battery applet not working Message-ID: <1063295514.3803.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> The gnome battery applet doesn't work if you don't do this: /sbin/battery /sbin/ac How can I execute this every time I turn on my computer? Why don't these modules get loaded with the standard configuration? 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From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Sep 11 16:07:36 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:07:36 -0500 Subject: Latest Rawhide Kernel Version Message-ID: <1063296456.3292.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Can an RH beta kernel developer clarify &/or expand the following statement: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl is the most recent beta kernel and is in fact newer than kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, which was available for a time on RHN before being removed. Following the rhl-beta-list I had thought that RH changed the version numbering on the kernel, but recent comments from other subscribers indicate otherwise (their confusion or mine?). (I am not opining on the virtues or non-virtues of version numbering but simply looking for an authoritative clarification.) Thanks in advance. Supporting references: ---------------------- kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl build date is 9 Sept. kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl build date is 3 Sept. kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl is no longer available on RHN, which was also mentioned by Alexandre Oliva of Red Hat when he wrote in this list: Upgrades from betas to betas or betas to final have never been meant to work. My only objection WRT version numbers is that, if you've already go the 2.4.22-20.1.etc kernel from RHN, it won't let you know if a newer 2.4.22-1.etc kernel is uploaded to the Severn updates channel. This will require action from the RHN team to remove the 2.4.22-20.1.etc kernel from the channel (which AFAICT was already done, so nobody else should be driven into a pit by RHN) and from every user who has already installed 2.4.22-20.1... to manually update to the next version as it makes it to the RHN channel then remove -20.1... if they'd like RHN to let them know about other updates. That's not a big deal, but it's something that IMHO we should have tried to avoid. Contradictory references: ------------------------- F??liciano Matias wrote: for rpm (and up2date/yum/apt) the new kernel (2.4.22-1.2040.nptl) is older than the previous kernel (2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl). Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > I tried out kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl on an HP ze4315us laptop and it > locked up on pcmcia when booting the machine. You could try upgrading to kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36 and see if your problem persists. If so search https://bugzilla.redhat.com and if nothing is found submit a bug report. From tcallawa at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 16:32:30 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: 11 Sep 2003 11:32:30 -0500 Subject: Latest Rawhide Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <1063296456.3292.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1063296456.3292.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1063297950.29712.68.camel@zorak> On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 11:07, Paul Morgan wrote: > Can an RH beta kernel developer clarify &/or expand the following > statement: > > kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl is the most recent beta kernel and is in fact > newer than kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, which was available for a > time on RHN before being removed. > > Following the rhl-beta-list I had thought that RH changed the version > numbering on the kernel, but recent comments from other subscribers > indicate otherwise (their confusion or mine?). I'm not a kernel developer, but I have a pretty good handle on the numbering. The old numbering scheme went something like this: kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl where 2.4.22 is the kernel.org base version, 20 is a variable that was used at one point to prevent conflicts between internal kernel package trees 1.2024 is the build number 2.36 is another build number (these two were originally merged as 1.2024.2.36) and the .nptl signifies that the kernel has NPTL in it. Since we don't need most of this anymore (legacy), we opted to go ahead and clean it out now. This leaves us with: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl Where 2.4.22 is the kernel.org base tree 1.2040 is the build number (note, newer than 1.2024) and the .nptl means that it include NPTL. A lot simpler. :) ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Thu Sep 11 16:35:53 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:35:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Latest Rawhide Kernel Version Message-ID: Paul Morgan wrote: > Can an RH beta kernel developer clarify &/or expand the following > statement: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl is the most recent beta kernel and > is in fact newer than kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, which was > available for a time on RHN before being removed. This has already been discussed extensively on the list. The newest kernel is 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl and this is newer than 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl but the latter is a later number in rpm terms than the former. You can download and install 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl by hand (rpm -ivh --oldpackage), boot from it, and then delete 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl (rpm -e) though make sure you choose the right i386/i586/i686/athlon version. Alternatively if the original severn kernel is still installed, boot from that, remove 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl (rpm -e) and then up2date should work. It is a consequence of beta/rawhide testing, that things like this get broken occasionally, and need to be fixed by hand. Michael Young From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Sep 11 16:47:15 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:47:15 -0500 Subject: Latest Rawhide Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <1063297950.29712.68.camel@zorak> References: <1063296456.3292.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1063297950.29712.68.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <1063298835.3292.36.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Thanks! On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 11:32, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 11:07, Paul Morgan wrote: > > Can an RH beta kernel developer clarify &/or expand the following > > statement: > > > > kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl is the most recent beta kernel and is in fact > > newer than kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, which was available for a > > time on RHN before being removed. > > > > Following the rhl-beta-list I had thought that RH changed the version > > numbering on the kernel, but recent comments from other subscribers > > indicate otherwise (their confusion or mine?). > > I'm not a kernel developer, but I have a pretty good handle on the > numbering. > > The old numbering scheme went something like this: > > kernel-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl > > where 2.4.22 is the kernel.org base version, > 20 is a variable that was used at one point to prevent conflicts between > internal kernel package trees > 1.2024 is the build number > 2.36 is another build number (these two were originally merged as > 1.2024.2.36) > and the .nptl signifies that the kernel has NPTL in it. > > Since we don't need most of this anymore (legacy), we opted to go ahead > and clean it out now. > > This leaves us with: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl > > Where 2.4.22 is the kernel.org base tree > 1.2040 is the build number (note, newer than 1.2024) > and the .nptl means that it include NPTL. > > A lot simpler. :) > > ~spot > --- > Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE > Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader > > "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is > novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present > social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to > be published." -- Aldous Huxley > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Sep 11 16:47:17 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Latest Rawhide Kernel Version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, M A Young wrote: > You can download and install 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl by hand (rpm -ivh > --oldpackage), boot from it, and then delete 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl > (rpm -e) though make sure you choose the right i386/i586/i686/athlon > version. Where from? It's not in rawhide, which seems stalled in general (several package revisions mentioned in bugzilla 4-5 days ago still aren't there yet) later, chris From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Sep 11 17:02:10 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:02:10 +0200 Subject: gimp-beta-1.3.20 Message-ID: <1063299730.15363.3.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Hiho, you can download gimp-beta-1.3.20 packages which were built on _Rawhide_ (might work with Severn or not, who knows...) from the this location: http://lisas.de/~nils/redhat/rawhide/ These packages can be installed along a normal gimp-1.2 and are signed with my GPG key. Enjoy, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Laur On Thursday 11 September 2003 16:51, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > The gnome battery applet doesn't work if you don't do this: > > /sbin/battery > /sbin/ac > > How can I execute this every time I turn on my computer? > > Why don't these modules get loaded with the standard configuration? > > Thanks - -- Laur Ivan Tel : +353-1-6674336 Software Design Engineer eMail: laur.ivan at corvil.com Corvil Ltd. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/YK76rIaFaLsloSMRAgzqAJ0aOqhpSrTcRKIjkSDrzfuMmjmVTQCgqX/a 9IGRz+IppHCd67CH4wwVtTQ= =Q+8s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 11 19:10:02 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:10:02 -0400 Subject: rawhide not syncing Message-ID: <1063307402.2493.1.camel@tiger> Rawhide has not been updated since Sept. 9. --Lou From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Sep 11 19:20:07 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <1063307402.2493.1.camel@tiger> References: <1063307402.2493.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Louis Garcia wrote: > Rawhide has not been updated since Sept. 9. As Paul kindly pointed out to me, though, RHN has been, so you can download updates from there. There are a couple of funny things I noticed in RHN. For the kernels, there's kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl but for kernel-unsupported, there's only kernel-smp-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl Also, there appear to be some glitches in the web interface for RHN when dealing with packages built for multiple %{arch}. It took me a while to figure out how to convince it to give me the kernel for athlon. later, chris From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Sep 11 19:37:36 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:37:36 +0200 Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: References: <1063307402.2493.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1063309056.5810.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeu 11/09/2003 ? 21:20, Chris Ricker a ?crit : > On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Louis Garcia wrote: > > > Rawhide has not been updated since Sept. 9. > > As Paul kindly pointed out to me, though, RHN has been, so you can download > updates from there. > > There are a couple of funny things I noticed in RHN. For the kernels, > there's > > kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl > kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl > > but for kernel-unsupported, there's only > > kernel-smp-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl > kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl > There is no more kernel-unsupported. Since RHL is not "supported", this make sense. > Also, there appear to be some glitches in the web interface for RHN when > dealing with packages built for multiple %{arch}. It took me a while to > figure out how to convince it to give me the kernel for athlon. > > later, > chris > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the kernels, > there's > > kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl > kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl > > but for kernel-unsupported, there's only > > kernel-smp-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl > kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl Kernel-unsupported went away. Bill From eric at interplas.com Thu Sep 11 21:13:36 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:13:36 -0400 Subject: severn on ASUS P4P800 (P4 2.4C) hangs during boot Message-ID: <085801c378a9$911b56c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> BTW, tt's an i865PE chipset. Severn installed okay but it hangs during the graphical boot "setting up hard disks". If I turn off SATA (as I am still using a PATA Maxtor drive) in the bios it'll get a little farther until loading the 1394 module. If I turn off firewire in the bios it still won't boot any further. Passing ide=nodma locks it up at the INIT: message so that's even worse. Any ideas? -eric wood From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Thu Sep 11 21:42:58 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:42:58 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:04:34 +0200." <1063260273.4224.20.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <200309112142.XAA23109@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> nphilipp at redhat.com said: > Give it a try with kernel.exec-shield=0 and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 (or > 2.2.5). Just did. In fact, I downloaded the latest kernel from RHN (i.e., 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl), and tried all combinations of kernel.exec-shield and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL={2.4.1,2.2.5}. None worked. When I get some extra free time (TM), I guess I'll try to remove some patches from 2.4.22-1.2400.nptl vs vanilla 2.4.22 (which works fine) and try to see if I can find out which one causes the failure. Any hint as to which patch(es) to remove first welcome. Cheers, Christian P.S. I thought 2.4.22-1.2400.nptl would appear in rawhide, but so far it hasn't... Are RHN severn update channel and rawhide different ? From Dax at GuruLabs.com Fri Sep 12 04:33:39 2003 From: Dax at GuruLabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:33:39 -0600 Subject: evolution config: SMTP or sendmail In-Reply-To: <1063092414.13133.16.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1063064985.5536.27.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1063072931.3942.3.camel@zorak> <1063084914.6132.20.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1063092414.13133.16.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1063341218.2887.17.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 01:26, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 07:21, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 21:02, Pete Graner wrote: > > > There is a workaround, remove all blank lines and comments from your > > > /etc/hosts file. > > > The problem is a glibc bug. The problem can be reproduced with a 15 line C program. I filed the bug against Evolution @ bugzilla.ximian.com several months ago and it was narrowed down at the time to a glibc problem. AFAIK the glibc developers weren't notified. Dax -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From senux at senux.com Fri Sep 12 05:57:20 2003 From: senux at senux.com (Brian Lee) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:57:20 +0900 Subject: copy&paste in vnc (severn) Message-ID: <20030912055719.GA12263@mercury.senux.com> Hi, In Severn, I tried to copy and paste string from Windows to Linux in vnc. But it does not pasted to gnome-terminal and mozilla. Nothing changed to gnome-terminal and mozilla. It does to xterm. Is it something mis-configuration in vnc? Any comment? $ rpm -qa | grep vnc vnc-server-3.3.3r2-51.1 vnc-3.3.3r2-51.1 vnc-doc-3.3.3r2-51.1 -- ____ |o | i / Brian Lee #######|< Web http://www.senux.com/en/ (x-x-x-x) \ Public GnuPG key: 0x46C763A3 From twaugh at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 08:37:34 2003 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:37:34 +0100 Subject: copy&paste in vnc (severn) In-Reply-To: <20030912055719.GA12263@mercury.senux.com> References: <20030912055719.GA12263@mercury.senux.com> Message-ID: <20030912083734.GR2146@redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 02:57:20PM +0900, Brian Lee wrote: > In Severn, I tried to copy and paste string from Windows > to Linux in vnc. But it does not pasted to gnome-terminal and > mozilla. Nothing changed to gnome-terminal and mozilla. > It does to xterm. > > Is it something mis-configuration in vnc? Any comment? > > $ rpm -qa | grep vnc > vnc-server-3.3.3r2-51.1 > vnc-3.3.3r2-51.1 > vnc-doc-3.3.3r2-51.1 There is a newer version of VNC in rawhide. 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Alexander From alexl at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 09:28:48 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 12 Sep 2003 11:28:48 +0200 Subject: Galeon-1.3.8 for Severn/Rawhide In-Reply-To: <20030911124629.37C413F4E@null.cs.brown.edu> References: <1063261173.4224.35.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <20030911121610.F059A3F6F@null.cs.brown.edu> <20030911121939.GA31553@wombat.tiptoe.de> <20030911124629.37C413F4E@null.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <1063358924.30902.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 14:46, Joel Young wrote: > Nils wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 08:16:09AM -0400, Joel Young wrote: > > > > > > Gives this error: > > > > > > /usr/bin/galeon-bin: relocation error: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: undefined symbol: ORBit_skel_class_register > > > > > > 1.3.7 was fine. > > > > > > ORBit2-2.6.2-2 > > > ORBit2-devel-2.6.2-2 > > > > You need ORBit2-2.8.0-1 for this to work which you can get from Rawhide FTP. > > Yes. I tried upgrading to ORBit2 from rawhide (said version). > This requires upgrading libIDL. The consequences of upgrading > these two packages is a completely dorked system. > > galeon no longer gives the symbol error but instead tells me > that bonobo is messed up and I should run bonobo-slay or something > like that. The bonobo-activation framework becomes messed up. > Logging out-logging back in doesn't help...panel crashes every > second nautilus generates error dialogs every second. > > So I backed these out and will wait a bit. I can just rebuild > the galeon src.rpm to avoid this dependency until I am ready to > really upgrade my system? If you upgrade ORBit2 i think you have to upgrade libbonobo and libbonoboui too, or things will break. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a suicidal hunchbacked househusband who dotes on his loving old ma. She's a time-travelling thirtysomething Valkyrie who inherited a spooky stately manor from her late maiden aunt. They fight crime! From alexander.winston at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 09:54:29 2003 From: alexander.winston at comcast.net (Alexander Winston) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:54:29 -0400 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309112142.XAA23109@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> References: <200309112142.XAA23109@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> Message-ID: <1063360469.5627.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 17:42, Christian Iseli wrote: > nphilipp at redhat.com said: > > Give it a try with kernel.exec-shield=0 and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 (or > > 2.2.5). > > Just did. In fact, I downloaded the latest kernel from RHN (i.e., > 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl), and tried all combinations of kernel.exec-shield and > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL={2.4.1,2.2.5}. None worked. Yeah, I think this is definitely a kernel issue. I've been having problems playing Unreal Tournament as well. From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Sep 12 10:09:32 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas Message-ID: is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these really distinct products? rday From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 10:15:11 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: evolution config: SMTP or sendmail In-Reply-To: <1063341218.2887.17.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> from "Dax Kelson" at Med 11, 2003 10:33:39 Message-ID: <200309121015.h8CAFCx21920@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I filed the bug against Evolution @ bugzilla.ximian.com several months > ago and it was narrowed down at the time to a glibc problem. > > AFAIK the glibc developers weren't notified. Is the glibc bug/15 line demo in our bugzilla ? From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Sep 12 10:17:25 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: consistent up2date run-time error Message-ID: for the first time since installing severn, i decided to give up2date a test. i "rpm --import"ed the appropriate GPG key, but everything i try regarding up2date gives me: There was an SSL error: [('SSL routines', 'SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE', 'certificate verify failed')] A common cause of this error is the system time being incorrect. Verify that the time on this system is correct. i've verified that the system time is correct (just how "correct" does it have to be? :-), so i'm a little puzzled. hints? given that i haven't paid a lot of attention to up2date lately, this might be an old problem that's been hashed out before, so i apologize if this is old news. rday From alexander.winston at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 10:42:30 2003 From: alexander.winston at comcast.net (Alexander Winston) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:42:30 -0400 Subject: Python 2.3 Message-ID: <1063363350.5627.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is there any news as to when it will be available? From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 11:15:07 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: from "Robert P. J. Day" at Med 12, 2003 06:09:32 Message-ID: <200309121115.h8CBF7707052@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for > both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these > really distinct products? Sometimes yes. The Red Hat Linux products had an elite secret beta team. Alan From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 12 12:10:41 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: copy&paste in vnc (severn) In-Reply-To: <20030912055719.GA12263@mercury.senux.com> References: <20030912055719.GA12263@mercury.senux.com> Message-ID: <1474.12.29.16.103.1063368641.squirrel@whooper.org> Brian Lee said: > Hi, > > In Severn, I tried to copy and paste string from Windows > to Linux in vnc. But it does not pasted to gnome-terminal and > mozilla. Nothing changed to gnome-terminal and mozilla. > It does to xterm. I would say since it works in an xterm that the issue is the two copy/paste buffers in X. I don't recall if anything was done with that in the new version Tim mentioned, so try that first (there is mention of improvements in the release notes). If that doesn't work you want to look at autocutsel (http://www.lepton.fr/tools/autocutsel/) which was made specifically to fix this problem. -- William Hooper From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Sep 12 12:14:22 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:14:22 +0200 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <200309121115.h8CBF7707052@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309121115.h8CBF7707052@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030912141422.2fc044f1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:15:07 -0400 (EDT), Alan Cox wrote: > > is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for > > both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these > > really distinct products? > > Sometimes yes. The Red Hat Linux products had an elite secret beta > team. http://beta.redhat.com/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been having > problems playing Unreal Tournament as well. We've got a handle on this at last, and yes it is a kernel problem. Should be fixed in .2044 when that appears sometime over the weekend. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Fri Sep 12 14:16:27 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:16:27 +0200 Subject: Latest Rawhide Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <1063296456.3292.21.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <3F61F15B.27904.1D41D5@localhost> Hello Paul, > Following the rhl-beta-list I had thought that RH changed the version > numbering on the kernel, but recent comments from other subscribers > indicate otherwise (their confusion or mine?). Mine. Sorry for that, but I did already correct myself in my last post to that thread (Test kernel, Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:46:44 GMT). Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 14:31:47 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:31:47 -0400 Subject: consistent up2date run-time error In-Reply-To: ; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 06:17:25AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20030912103147.A11429@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Robert P. J. Day (rpjday at mindspring.com) said: > for the first time since installing severn, i decided to give > up2date a test. i "rpm --import"ed the appropriate GPG key, but > everything i try regarding up2date gives me: > > There was an SSL error: [('SSL routines', 'SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE', > 'certificate verify failed')] > A common cause of this error is the system time being incorrect. Verify > that the time on this system is correct. > > > i've verified that the system time is correct (just how "correct" > does it have to be? :-), so i'm a little puzzled. > > hints? given that i haven't paid a lot of attention to up2date > lately, this might be an old problem that's been hashed out before, > so i apologize if this is old news. https://rhn.redhat.com/help/latest-up2date.pxt Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 14:32:08 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:32:08 -0400 Subject: Python 2.3 In-Reply-To: <1063363350.5627.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from alexander.winston@comcast.net on Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 06:42:30AM -0400 References: <1063363350.5627.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030912103208.B11429@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Alexander Winston (alexander.winston at comcast.net) said: > Is there any news as to when it will be available? Not in this beta; too big of a chance of something going wrong with the installer and other config tools at this point. Bill From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 14:36:23 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 12 Sep 2003 11:36:23 -0300 Subject: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040 not found In-Reply-To: <20030912084923.GA1987@home.nl> References: <20030912084923.GA1987@home.nl> Message-ID: On Sep 12, 2003, Alexander Volovics wrote: > I don't see kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686.rpm in the severn updates > channel. There only seems to be a smp version. If you have a kernel already installed that appears to be newer than that (e.g. 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl), you won't get it listed in the list of packages to install, you have to go for the full package list in the channel to get it. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 14:37:28 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 12 Sep 2003 11:37:28 -0300 Subject: consistent up2date run-time error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 12, 2003, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > There was an SSL error: [('SSL routines', 'SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE', > 'certificate verify failed')] > A common cause of this error is the system time being incorrect. Verify > that the time on this system is correct. See rhn.redhat.com. You need to get an updated SSL certificate. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From jdy at cs.brown.edu Fri Sep 12 05:39:06 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:39:06 -0400 Subject: Need "Yes to all" button on Up2date Message-ID: <20030912053906.989553F39@null.cs.brown.edu> The up2date program needs a "Yes to All" button on the no GPG signature dialog. Also, it is a real pain that a space bar causes the default action to fire being NO so if you are trying to do work during the hour of downloading, you can't cause it will restart the up2date process. Very Frustradedly Yours, Joel From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 14:41:15 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Need "Yes to all" button on Up2date In-Reply-To: <20030912053906.989553F39@null.cs.brown.edu> from "Joel Young" at Med 12, 2003 01:39:06 Message-ID: <200309121441.h8CEfFs17898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > no GPG signature dialog. Also, it is a real pain that a > space bar causes the default action to fire being NO > so if you are trying to do work during the hour of > downloading, you can't cause it will restart the up2date > process. If you replace metacity with a decent window manager that doesn't give focus to new windows (which is just asking for people to type credit card data into the wrong window) then up2date is fine IMHO the problem is metacity. From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Sep 12 14:42:26 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Need "Yes to all" button on Up2date In-Reply-To: <20030912053906.989553F39@null.cs.brown.edu> References: <20030912053906.989553F39@null.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Joel Young wrote: > The up2date program needs a "Yes to All" button on the > no GPG signature dialog. Also, it is a real pain that a > space bar causes the default action to fire being NO > so if you are trying to do work during the hour of > downloading, you can't cause it will restart the up2date > process. up2date --nosig Preferably, though, up2date redhat-release, import the RPM-GPG-KEY*, then run up2date and get all the other packages later, chris From jdy at cs.brown.edu Fri Sep 12 00:23:23 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:23:23 -0400 Subject: Need "Yes to all" button on Up2date Message-ID: <20030912002323.9A8953F88@null.cs.brown.edu> The up2date program needs a "Yes to All" button on the no GPG signature dialog. Also, it is a real pain that a space bar causes the default action to fire being NO so if you are trying to do work during the hour of downloading, you can't cause it will restart the up2date process. Very Frustradedly Yours, Joel From jdy at cs.brown.edu Fri Sep 12 12:05:44 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:05:44 -0400 Subject: Need [Yes to all] button on Up2date Message-ID: <20030912120544.B50403F19@null.cs.brown.edu> The up2date program needs a "Yes to All" button on the no GPG signature dialog. Also, it is a real pain that a space bar causes the default action to fire being NO so if you are trying to do work during the hour of downloading, you can't cause it will restart the up2date process. Very Frustradedly Yours, Joel From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Sep 12 15:00:35 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Need "Yes to all" button on Up2date In-Reply-To: <200309121441.h8CEfFs17898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309121441.h8CEfFs17898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > If you replace metacity with a decent window manager that doesn't > give focus to new windows (which is just asking for people to type credit > card data into the wrong window) then up2date is fine > > IMHO the problem is metacity. I've been trying to use gnome for the past couple of days (for me, a window manager is something to let you pick your xterm, so I normally just use openbox), and metacity focus issues have been driving me crazy. I use focus follows mouse I put two xterms on a workspace, and mozilla on another workspace. Start out with focus in xterm A. Switch to mozilla workspace and mozilla gets focus. Switch back to xterm workspace. The mouse will be over xterm A, but no window will have focus. I have to move the mouse off of xterm A and then back on to xterm A to get focus back. This is broken. later, chris From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Sep 12 15:18:01 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:18:01 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040 not found In-Reply-To: <20030912084923.GA1987@home.nl> References: <20030912084923.GA1987@home.nl> Message-ID: <1063379880.17367.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 10:49, Alexander Volovics wrote: > I don't see kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686.rpm in the severn updates > channel. There only seems to be a smp version. > > Where can I find it. > up2date --nox --get kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686 > Alexander > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jbinpg at shaw.ca Fri Sep 12 15:31:12 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:31:12 -0700 Subject: Need "Yes to all" button on Up2date In-Reply-To: <20030912053906.989553F39@null.cs.brown.edu> References: <20030912053906.989553F39@null.cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <0HL3006H3XS67Q@l-daemon> ** Reply to message from Joel Young on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:39:06 -0400 > The up2date program needs a "Yes to All" button on the > no GPG signature dialog. Also, it is a real pain that a > space bar causes the default action to fire being NO > so if you are trying to do work during the hour of > downloading, you can't cause it will restart the up2date > process. Just ditch the GUI and put: up2date -u --nox --nosig in a bash script and run it as a cron job once a day or as often as you feel is safe for you. Takes all the hassle away. jb From awol at home.nl Fri Sep 12 15:38:35 2003 From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:38:35 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040 not found In-Reply-To: <1063379880.17367.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030912084923.GA1987@home.nl> <1063379880.17367.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030912153835.GB2082@home.nl> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 05:18:01PM +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 10:49, Alexander Volovics wrote: > > I don't see kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686.rpm in the severn updates > > channel. There only seems to be a smp version. > > > > Where can I find it. > > > > up2date --nox --get kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686 Thanks, I had tried up2date --download and that didn't work. But I have already downloaded it directly from rhn. Alexander From ba at linuxin.dk Fri Sep 12 15:43:48 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:43:48 +0200 Subject: Future request Message-ID: <1063381428.4870.1.camel@Linux1> Hi Is there any plans for a redhat-config-gui ? I cant find one in rawhide... Best Regards Bjorn Andersen Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Will they have the unsupported package, a merged version, or lost functionality? -Thomas From kylem at xwell.org Fri Sep 12 15:57:50 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:57:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <3F61EA78.7020307@cypress.com> References: <1063307402.2493.1.camel@tiger> <20030911154928.C9003@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F61EA78.7020307@cypress.com> Message-ID: <51839.192.76.80.75.1063382270.spork@webmail.xwell.org> > Bill Nottingham wrote: >> Chris Ricker (kaboom at gatech.edu) said: > >>>kernel-smp-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl >>>kernel-unsupported-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl >> >> Kernel-unsupported went away. > > Did it merge with the kernel package, or did the functionality go away > too? What about the RHEL-3.0 kernels? Will they have the unsupported > package, a merged version, or lost functionality? It was merged; do a rpm -q --changelog on the 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl kernel and you'll see it mentioned. Given that RHL is not really a supported product anymore, it doesn't make sense to split out "unsupported" modules. The changelog still says that distinction is made to some degree, but I haven't dug into it any to see exactly how that distinction is made. -- Kyle Maxwell From mplayer at jburgess.uklinux.net Fri Sep 12 16:32:47 2003 From: mplayer at jburgess.uklinux.net (Jon Burgess) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:32:47 +0100 Subject: severn on ASUS P4P800 (P4 2.4C) hangs during boot In-Reply-To: <085801c378a9$911b56c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <085801c378a9$911b56c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <3F61F52F.3030405@jburgess.uklinux.net> Eric Wood wrote: > BTW, tt's an i865PE chipset. Severn installed okay but it hangs during the > graphical boot "setting up hard disks". If I turn off SATA (as I am still > using a PATA Maxtor drive) in the bios it'll get a little farther until > > Any ideas? I wonder if it similar to the issues i've been having with SATA on a new P4HT 2.4G/800MHz + I865/ICH5. What I found was that SATA would lock at bootup with an IRQ timeout unless the local APIC was enabled. Try appending "nogui" on to the kernel boot line and see where it gets to. I did some test with various kernel options. The kernel would boot fine if SMP enabled (which is required if you want to use the HT feature), perhaps this is not surprising since it needs the local APIC for SMP. Perhaps you can try installing the SMP kernel. This wasn't installed by default for me since I took the installed hard drive from a previous machine. When the kernel is compiled for UP and without the Local APIC enabled it always locked with and IRQ timeout when probing the SATA interface. I tried every combination of ACPI, PCI=noacpi etc, and they all failed with a slightly different set of boot messages. I have the logs available if anyone is interested to debug what is really happening. Jon From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 16:39:41 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:39:41 -0400 Subject: Future request In-Reply-To: <1063381428.4870.1.camel@Linux1> References: <1063381428.4870.1.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <1063384781.29766.51.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:43, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > Hi > > Is there any plans for a redhat-config-gui ? > I cant find one in rawhide... What would it do? Owen From hosting at j2solutions.net Fri Sep 12 16:44:32 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:44:32 -0700 Subject: Future request In-Reply-To: <1063384781.29766.51.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063381428.4870.1.camel@Linux1> <1063384781.29766.51.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309120944.32079.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Friday 12 September 2003 09:39, Owen Taylor wrote: > What would it do? Make omelets of course... -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Sep 12 17:14:13 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: new reiser 4 snapshot for 2.6.0-test5 is out Message-ID: just posted on the reiser mailing list, there's a new snapshot for reiser 4 for the 2.6.0-test5 kernel at: http://www.namesys.com/snapshots/2003.09.12 i just applied the main patch, not to stock 2.6.0-test5, but to the newer 2.6.0-test5-bk2, and it applied cleanly with the exception of a single off-by-1 file patch. the new kernel built, but i haven't got around to installing the new library or reiser4 programs yet. rday From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 12 17:12:53 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:12:53 -0400 Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? Message-ID: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> I've installed yum-2.0-1 from rawhide (I don't see anything more recent than that). However, I am unable to update since I get the following error: ]# yum update rawhide Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base retrygrab() failed for: http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found ... what am I missing? Elton 8<\ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From hosting at j2solutions.net Fri Sep 12 17:21:57 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:21:57 -0700 Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200309121021.57729.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Friday 12 September 2003 10:12, Elton Woo wrote: > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base > retrygrab() failed for: > > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/head >ers/header.info Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/head >ers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > ... what am I missing? Looks like the version of the "redhat-release" package is set to "Null" for some reason, thus yum is unable to find a "Null" directory at duke.edu. You might have to force the release issue in your /etc/yum.conf file. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 12 17:34:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:34:39 -0400 Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <200309121021.57729.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309121021.57729.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200309121334.40042.elwoo@videotron.ca> On Friday 12 September 2003 13:21, Jesse Keating Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 12 September 2003 10:12, Elton Woo wrote: > > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > > Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base > > retrygrab() failed for: > > > > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/head > >ers/header.info Executing failover method > > failover: out of servers to try > > Error getting file > > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/head > >ers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > > > ... what am I missing? > > Looks like the version of the "redhat-release" package is set to "Null" > for some reason, thus yum is unable to find a "Null" directory at > duke.edu. You might have to force the release issue in your > /etc/yum.conf file. The default entry in my yum.conf file gives this: ------------------------------------------------------------------- [base] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/ [updates] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Updates baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/$releasever/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Going via mozilla, I found the directory and changed the [updates] section thus: baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/$releasever/ Am I correct, or do I need to change the [base] entry as well? Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jphillips at amphus.com Fri Sep 12 17:40:24 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 12 Sep 2003 10:40:24 -0700 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal Message-ID: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk> Please pardon my vanity, but will the next release of RHL support truly transparent gnome-terminals? I'm not talking about the pseudo-transparency of the past, wherein the terminal simply displays the portion of the background image. With this sort of fake-transparency, any window, that comes intermediate between the terminal and the background image, is not displayed. Instead, the background image is displayed, even though the object directly beneath the terminal is another window. I know this is a cosmetic feature, but I'd be willing to bet that, as far as cosmetic features go, this one ranks pretty high up there in terms of feature-requested popularity. Thanks. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 12 17:44:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:44:52 -0400 Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <200309121021.57729.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309121021.57729.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200309121344.52758.elwoo@videotron.ca> On Friday 12 September 2003 13:21, Jesse Keating Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 12 September 2003 10:12, Elton Woo wrote: > > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > > ... what am I missing? > > Looks like the version of the "redhat-release" package is set to "Null" > for some reason, thus yum is unable to find a "Null" directory at > duke.edu. You might have to force the release issue in your > /etc/yum.conf file. According to mozilla, this is the directory location: http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ I've now edited my yum.conf file thus: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [base] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/$releasever/$basearch/ [updates] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Updates baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/$releasever/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I *still* get the following output: root]# yum update rawhide Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base retrygrab() failed for: http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found [root at dhcp-133-74 root]# gedit /etc/yum.conf [root at dhcp-133-74 root]# yum update rawhide Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base retrygrab() failed for: http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/Null/i386/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/Null/i386/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found Is there something wrong with the syntax in my yum.conf? Elton 8<\ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Sep 12 17:46:23 2003 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:46:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <200309121334.40042.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309121021.57729.hosting@j2solutions.net> <200309121334.40042.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > > The default entry in my yum.conf file gives this: > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > [base] > name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/ > I just change $releasever to rawhide - which would be: [base] name=Red Hat Linux rawhide - $basearch - Base baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/$basearch/ > > [updates] > name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Updates > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/$releasever/ Since there is no rawhilde 'update' repository - I comment out the above 3 lines. You can always go to the site - and see what dirs exist. links http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat Satish From smoogen at lanl.gov Fri Sep 12 17:50:37 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:50:37 -0600 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <20030912141422.2fc044f1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200309121115.h8CBF7707052@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030912141422.2fc044f1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1063389037.5967.3.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> Please report to the nearest termination center for releasing state secrets The computer is your friend. On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 06:14, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:15:07 -0400 (EDT), Alan Cox wrote: > > > > is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for > > > both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these > > > really distinct products? > > > > Sometimes yes. The Red Hat Linux products had an elite secret beta > > team. > > http://beta.redhat.com/ -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From matt-whiteley at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 17:56:37 2003 From: matt-whiteley at comcast.net (Matt Whiteley) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:56:37 -0700 Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <200309121344.52758.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309121021.57729.hosting@j2solutions.net> <200309121344.52758.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063389397.3510.3.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 10:44, Elton Woo wrote: > According to mozilla, this is the directory location: > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ > > I've now edited my yum.conf file thus: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [base] > name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/$releasever/$basearch/ > > > [updates] > name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Updates > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/$releasever/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I *still* get the following output: > > root]# yum update rawhide > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base > retrygrab() failed for: > > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info > Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/Null/i386/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > [root at dhcp-133-74 root]# gedit /etc/yum.conf > [root at dhcp-133-74 root]# yum update rawhide > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux Null - i386 - Base > retrygrab() failed for: > > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/Null/i386/headers/header.info > Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/Null/i386/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > > Is there something wrong with the syntax in my yum.conf? > > > Elton 8<\ This is my yum.conf which works great with duke's server. I get the same error as you have listed periodically, I assume it is during updates or periods of too much activity on their end. [root at galt root]# cat /etc/yum.conf [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release #[base] #name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base #baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/ #[updates] #name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Updates #baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/$releasever/ [rawhide] name=Red Hat Linux Rawhide - Updates baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/ Hope it works for you, -- Matt Whiteley From VANCOD at PIOS.com Fri Sep 12 18:00:19 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:00:19 -0400 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal Message-ID: Joseph Phillips wrote: > Please pardon my vanity, but will the next release of RHL support > truly transparent gnome-terminals? > > I'm not talking about the pseudo-transparency of the past, wherein the > terminal simply displays the portion of the background image. With > this sort of fake-transparency, any window, that comes intermediate > between the terminal and the background image, is not displayed. > Instead, the background image is displayed, even though the object > directly beneath the terminal is another window. > > I know this is a cosmetic feature, but I'd be willing to bet that, as > far as cosmetic features go, this one ranks pretty high up there in > terms of feature-requested popularity. Really? I think it's a PITA - IMO I'd think it can really clutter things up if everything under a terminal is visible... Unless you've themed your desktop _really_ well, you're bound to have contrast issues between window contents, window colors, and font settings. Don From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 12 18:06:33 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:06:33 -0400 Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <1063389397.3510.3.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> References: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309121344.52758.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063389397.3510.3.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> Message-ID: <200309121406.33172.elwoo@videotron.ca> On Friday 12 September 2003 13:56, Matt Whiteley Matt Whiteley wrote: > #[base] > #name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - Base > #baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/ > > > #[updates] > #name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Updates > #baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/$releasever/ > > [rawhide] > name=Red Hat Linux Rawhide - Updates > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/ I've copied the above verbatim into my yum.conf. I notice that the [base] and [updates] entries are REMmed out, correct? > Hope it works for you, I will give it a shot later. Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From hosting at j2solutions.net Fri Sep 12 18:08:23 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:08:23 -0700 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309121108.23744.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Friday 12 September 2003 11:00, Vanco, Donald wrote: > Really? I think it's a PITA - IMO I'd think it can really clutter > things up if everything under a terminal is visible... Unless you've > themed your desktop _really_ well, you're bound to have contrast > issues between window contents, window colors, and font settings. It's really not that bad, I use it all the time on my OS X system. Of course, I'm not sure if X has a way to handle this type of eye candy w/out sending the CPU into a frenzy. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Fri Sep 12 18:17:33 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:17:33 -0400 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk> References: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <20030912181733.GC27994@ti19> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:40:24AM -0700, Joseph Phillips wrote: > Please pardon my vanity, but will the next release of RHL support truly > transparent gnome-terminals? > > I'm not talking about the pseudo-transparency of the past, wherein the > terminal simply displays the portion of the background image. With this > sort of fake-transparency, any window, that comes intermediate between > the terminal and the background image, is not displayed. Instead, the > background image is displayed, even though the object directly beneath > the terminal is another window. > > I know this is a cosmetic feature, but I'd be willing to bet that, as > far as cosmetic features go, this one ranks pretty high up there in > terms of feature-requested popularity. You may want to try these packages from Fedora. I haven't spent much time on theming, but as a demo it is enough to shut up the MacOS X bigots. ;-p Regards, Bill Rugolsky Name : directfb Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.9.19 Vendor: (none) Release : 0.fdr.1.rh90 Build Date: Sat 09 Aug 2003 08:17:32 AM EDT Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: mach.rh9.fedora.us Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none) Size : 1230976 License: GPL Signature : (none) URL : http://www.directfb.org/ Summary : Graphics abstraction library for the Linux Framebuffer Device. Description : DirectFB is a thin library that provides hardware graphics acceleration, input device handling and abstraction, integrated windowing system with support for translucent windows and multiple display layers on top of the Linux Framebuffer Device. It is a complete hardware abstraction layer with software fallbacks for every graphics operation that is not supported by the underlying hardware. DirectFB adds graphical power to embedded systems and sets a new standard for graphics under Linux. Name : XDirectFB Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 1.0 Vendor: (none) Release : 0.fdr.0.rc5.1.rh90 Build Date: Sat 23 Aug 2003 02:53:35 PM EDT Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ana Group : User Interface/X Source RPM: XDirectFB-1.0-0.fdr.0.rc5.1.rh90.src.rpm Size : 3722880 License: XFree86 Signature : DSA/SHA1, Sat 23 Aug 2003 03:55:57 PM EDT, Key ID 00a7144c55f3aa6f URL : http://www.directfb.org/xdirectfb.xml Summary : DirectFB-based X server. Description : XDirectFB is a rootless X Server using DirectFB windows for X11 toplevel windows. This way you can adjust the opacity of every application with your mouse wheel (while holding CapsLock or Meta down over a window). More details about these shortcuts can be found in the DirectFB README. Window movements are initiated by the applications or the window manager. The graphical movement is done by DirectFB using available hardware acceleration. Overlapping toplevel windows do not cause expose events, i.e. redrawing of the window contents, as they are DirectFB windows and therefore have an own surface, a.k.a. backing store. From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 18:17:42 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 12 Sep 2003 15:17:42 -0300 Subject: Need "Yes to all" button on Up2date In-Reply-To: References: <200309121441.h8CEfFs17898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 12, 2003, Chris Ricker wrote: > I put two xterms on a workspace, and mozilla on another workspace. Start out > with focus in xterm A. Switch to mozilla workspace and mozilla gets focus. > Switch back to xterm workspace. The mouse will be over xterm A, but no > window will have focus. This is fixed in an updated XFree86. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From VANCOD at PIOS.com Fri Sep 12 18:18:03 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:18:03 -0400 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal Message-ID: Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 12 September 2003 11:00, Vanco, Donald wrote: >> Really? I think it's a PITA - IMO I'd think it can really clutter >> things up if everything under a terminal is visible... Unless you've >> themed your desktop _really_ well, you're bound to have contrast >> issues between window contents, window colors, and font settings. > > It's really not that bad, I use it all the time on my OS X system. > > Of course, I'm not sure if X has a way to handle this type of eye > candy w/out sending the CPU into a frenzy. Now it would _really_ be cool to make a transparent terminal that went opaque on mouseover - got to justify those 3GHz P4s somehow.... D From sjoerd at acm.org Fri Sep 12 18:28:20 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:28:20 +0200 Subject: problem synching Palm PDA with latest kernels Message-ID: <3F621044.5050004@acm.org> Since upgrading to kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, and then to kernel 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl I can't load the visor module anymore which is needed to communicate with Palm PDAs over USB. I get the following message: # insmod visor Using /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o: unresolved symbol usb_serial_register_R7c08a7b5 /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o: unresolved symbol usb_serial_deregister_Re37ba52f This is pretty annoying since I can't backup my Palm anymore. :-( From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 18:29:06 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: from "Vanco, Donald" at Med 12, 2003 02:18:03 Message-ID: <200309121829.h8CIT6K19512@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > Of course, I'm not sure if X has a way to handle this type of eye > > candy w/out sending the CPU into a frenzy. > Now it would _really_ be cool to make a transparent terminal that > went opaque on mouseover - got to justify those 3GHz P4s somehow.... Take a look at the DirectFB X server, unlike the base servers it has the right kind of infrastructure to do this, and efficiently From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 18:40:26 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:40:26 -0400 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk>; from jphillips@amphus.com on Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:40:24AM -0700 References: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <20030912144026.A15021@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Joseph Phillips (jphillips at amphus.com) said: > Please pardon my vanity, but will the next release of RHL support truly > transparent gnome-terminals? > > I'm not talking about the pseudo-transparency of the past, wherein the > terminal simply displays the portion of the background image. With this > sort of fake-transparency, any window, that comes intermediate between > the terminal and the background image, is not displayed. Instead, the > background image is displayed, even though the object directly beneath > the terminal is another window. > > I know this is a cosmetic feature, but I'd be willing to bet that, as > far as cosmetic features go, this one ranks pretty high up there in > terms of feature-requested popularity. Not with the standard X servers, no. The infrastructure within XFree86 just isn't there to support this, regardless of the app. Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 18:40:45 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:40:45 -0400 Subject: problem synching Palm PDA with latest kernels In-Reply-To: <3F621044.5050004@acm.org>; from sjoerd@acm.org on Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 08:28:20PM +0200 References: <3F621044.5050004@acm.org> Message-ID: <20030912144045.B15021@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Sjoerd Mullender (sjoerd at acm.org) said: > Since upgrading to kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, and then to kernel > 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl I can't load the visor module anymore which is needed > to communicate with Palm PDAs over USB. I get the following message: > > # insmod visor > Using /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o: > unresolved symbol usb_serial_register_R7c08a7b5 > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o: > unresolved symbol usb_serial_deregister_Re37ba52f > > This is pretty annoying since I can't backup my Palm anymore. :-( modprobe, not insmod. Does that work better? Bill From ted at cypress.com Fri Sep 12 18:41:22 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:41:22 -0500 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <20030912181733.GC27994@ti19> References: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk> <20030912181733.GC27994@ti19> Message-ID: <3F621352.3020301@cypress.com> Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: > You may want to try these packages from Fedora. > I haven't spent much time on theming, but as a demo it is enough to Interesting start. but.... > Name : directfb Relocations: (not relocateable) ... > DirectFB is a thin library that provides hardware graphics acceleration, > input device handling and abstraction, integrated windowing system with ... > It is a complete hardware abstraction layer with software fallbacks for > every graphics operation that is not supported by the underlying hardware. > DirectFB adds graphical power to embedded systems and sets a new standard > for graphics under Linux. From the directfb site: The API and structure of DirectFB is designed to provide an easy way of implementing the following parts: * Graphics acceleration (currently Matrox G200/G400/G450/G550, ATI128, Voodoo 3, NeoMagic, Savage and CyberPro) * Input devices (currently keyboard, serial and PS/2 mice, joysticks) * Image Provider (currently PNG, GIF and JPEG) * Video Provider (currently Video4Linux, AVI (using avifile), MPEG1/2 (using libmpeg3), macromedia flash (using libflash)) * Font Provider (currently DirectFB bitmap font, TrueType via FreeType 2) Very limited support. I don't quite understand the implications of what is sad here , considering the dependenc of RHL on GTK+ and GNOME, but this is not good if you like games or other 3D apps. I think the window manger/Xserver need true layering support though. Then the Transparent windows would work. Right now, gnome-terminal (or any other app) has no way to get information on an of the windows behind (under) it in the stacking order, other than the root window (desktop). Without that information, the best any app can do is paint it's window with the contents of the root-window. Trying to get gnome-terminal to find all the windows it's overlaying, with the correct stacking order, then sending repaint request for the correct areas is a lot to ask. An any App tht want's to support "true" transparency would need to impliment it all over again. So the WM and Xserver really need to develop a API that apps can use for this. -Thomas From sjoerd at acm.org Fri Sep 12 18:46:30 2003 From: sjoerd at acm.org (Sjoerd Mullender) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:46:30 +0200 Subject: problem synching Palm PDA with latest kernels In-Reply-To: <20030912144045.B15021@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F621044.5050004@acm.org> <20030912144045.B15021@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F621486.1020907@acm.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: > Sjoerd Mullender (sjoerd at acm.org) said: > >>Since upgrading to kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl, and then to kernel >>2.4.22-1.2040.nptl I can't load the visor module anymore which is needed >>to communicate with Palm PDAs over USB. I get the following message: >> >># insmod visor >>Using /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o >>/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o: >>unresolved symbol usb_serial_register_R7c08a7b5 >>/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2040.nptl/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.o: >>unresolved symbol usb_serial_deregister_Re37ba52f >> >>This is pretty annoying since I can't backup my Palm anymore. :-( > > > modprobe, not insmod. Does that work better? It does. Thanks. From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 18:57:28 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <3F621352.3020301@cypress.com> from "Thomas Dodd" at Med 12, 2003 01:41:22 Message-ID: <200309121857.h8CIvSe06065@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > * Graphics acceleration (currently Matrox G200/G400/G450/G550, > ATI128, Voodoo 3, NeoMagic, Savage and CyberPro) It does VESA software too - and its generally pretty fast > I think the window manger/Xserver need true layering support though. > Then the Transparent windows would work. Right now, gnome-terminal (or Thats why I said look at the directfb X server > transparency would need to impliment it all over again. So the WM and > Xserver really need to develop a API that apps can use for this. The current core X server implementation is deeply wedded to not keeping copies of all the windows. It would probably be easier to add that to the kdrive server however From ba at linuxin.dk Fri Sep 12 19:03:36 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:03:36 +0200 Subject: Future request In-Reply-To: <1063384781.29766.51.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063381428.4870.1.camel@Linux1> <1063384781.29766.51.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063393416.5576.0.camel@Linux1> Sorry, i ment a redhat-config-ftp app. fre, 2003-09-12 kl. 18:39 skrev Owen Taylor: > On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:43, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > Hi > > > > Is there any plans for a redhat-config-gui ? > > I cant find one in rawhide... > > What would it do? > Owen > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- Bjorn Andersen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The end user experience is not very good; Win98, ME, are lightning fast by contrast on the same system. WinXP is slightly faster than RHL on this system (even with all the GUI effects on). Performance impressions are gagued on Bootup time, Login time, app startup time, screen feedback (menu snappiness). This really removes the incentive for a corporate move to RHL on desktop systems since there is a lot of hardware out there with the above specifications. So the question follows, ofcource: hos do you report this type of information and is any one at RH working on performance? ./SLS On 7 Sep 2003, Alan wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 09:29, Dave Jones wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:34:29PM -0700, Alan wrote: > > > I am trying to get Severn installed on a Sony 505ve laptop. I have > > > installed a number of other versions on it with no problem. > > > > > > "linux ide1=0x180" does not work either. (Which used to be the fix for > > > this problem on older installs.) > > > > On my z600 (which is just a European version of the 505) > > I had to pass.. > > ide1=0x180,0x386 pci=off > > > > It then worked just fine.. > > That did the trick. I had tried everything except the "pci=off". It is > installing now. (Fairly slowly, but installing. I need a new > laptop...) > > > From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 12 20:41:09 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:41:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309072325.h87NP8P07170@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Alan Cox wrote: Trans Gaming recommends the use of stock kernels for performance reasons... why is that? Does RH do thisngs that hamper performance? ./SLS > > When booting either of these, heroes3 works fine. It's only when I boot > > Severn's kernel (kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl) that the crash occurs. > > > > So I guess "something" changed in the kernel which somehow displeases > > heroes3... > > > > I'd be happy to try any patch... ;-) > > Ok can you try a completely vanilla kernel (say 2.4.22). The RH kernel > changes some aspects of the application memory layout and does a few other > things that *ought* 8) to be harmless > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From dsavage at peaknet.net Fri Sep 12 20:51:11 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:51:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040 not found In-Reply-To: <1063379880.17367.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030912084923.GA1987@home.nl> <1063379880.17367.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2491.140.175.214.36.1063399871.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Friday September 12, 2003 F?liciano Matias wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 10:49, Alexander Volovics wrote: >> I don't see kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686.rpm in the severn updates >> channel. There only seems to be a smp version. >> >> Where can I find it. >> > > up2date --nox --get kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686 ??? When I try this all I get is: ... The following packages are not available: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686 --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Sep 12 21:00:49 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:00:49 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.4.22-1.2040 not found In-Reply-To: <2491.140.175.214.36.1063399871.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> References: <20030912084923.GA1987@home.nl> <1063379880.17367.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2491.140.175.214.36.1063399871.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <1063400449.17367.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 22:51, dsavage at peaknet.net wrote: > On Friday September 12, 2003 F?liciano Matias > > up2date --nox --get kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686 > > ??? When I try this all I get is: > > ... > The following packages are not available: > kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.i686 Add channel "Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates" to your system in http://rhn.redhat.com/ . > --Doc Savage > Fairview Heights, IL > -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 20:59:45 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:59:45 +0200 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063400384.8567.14.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 22:41, Stephan Schutter wrote: > Trans Gaming recommends the use of stock kernels for performance > reasons... why is that? Does RH do thisngs that hamper performance? Yeah, we do that all the time -- how did you find out? Seriously, it's always bad if programmers rely on non-guaranteed behaviour. Apparently, that's what the guys from TransGaming did. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 21:25:11 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: from "Stephan Schutter" at Med 12, 2003 03:38:28 Message-ID: <200309122125.h8CLPBU23876@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I have noticed a problem with performance. Linux used to have a reputation > for performance; I can see this clearly in services like DHCP, DNS, and > untill recently apache (Win2003 IIS is faster). But on the desktop I have > experienced the oposite: Apache has never been a speed demon - its very flexible instead. For speed try thttpd - especially on a low end box. I've seen thttpd on a Macintosh II survive a slashdotting > 1. Bootup time: Windows 98, ME and XP boot up in almost half the > time. Timings are more or less the same with Win2000. Yep > on a dell Lattitude, RAM:128, CPU:333MHZ, Disk:10GIG; > RHL is usable but verry slow (even after running hdparm). The end Gnome/KDE is a bit fat - 2.4 is better but I'm not happy with its 128Mb performance. If you want to get involved in profiling and tuning that the gnome project itself is the best base point. 2.4 is faster than 2.2 for me and there are people benching. Alternatively swap Gnome/KDE/Evolution for Xfce/ROX/Sylpheed and your desktop will suddenely be blindly fast but a little less featured. I use the Xfce/ROX/Sylpheed setup on 32 and 64Mb boxes and its fast on both. > So the question follows, ofcource: hos do you report this type of > information and is any one at RH working on performance? The oprofile tools will let you get a lot of info, vmstat 5 will let you watch the rate of disk I/O and tools like strace can identify delays and syscall waits. Its a kind of forensics at time but a lot of fun From mharris at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 21:45:55 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Beta 2 ??? In-Reply-To: <200309091755.27076.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <1063140952.4685.6.camel@vaio> <200309091755.27076.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, HoytDuff wrote: >Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:55:27 -0400 >From: HoytDuff >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: Beta 2 ??? > >On Tuesday 09 September 2003 04:55 pm, nazeman wrote: >> how about beta 2 ?? i don't want download beta1 ist 1,5 month old but no >> new for a new beta for testing ? > >As far as I can tell, install beta1 and use yum (get it from rawhide) to >upgrade from rawhide. I believe we're waiting on an "announcement" on >September 15th that affects what happens next. You can update with up2date as well. Additionally, up2date can use yum repositories also. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From ckloiber at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 22:49:44 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:49:44 -0400 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063406984.22200.62.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 06:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for > both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these > really distinct products? You can see "Red Hat Linux Beta"? That is (was) where we would put bugs against the non-public betas that existed internally before the "project" was launched. I was unaware the public could see that now. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 23:04:56 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 02:04:56 +0300 Subject: XMMS 1.2.8 ... realy was that necessary ? Message-ID: Ok. I get it ... updates ... yes ... no harm, I know it's a beta ... but couldn't you at least test a bit the software ... for example basic functions ... try resizing the playlist ... IT DOES NOT WORK! Xmms goes all crappy about it ... I think you could have left the old one for a while, or at least check their bug posts ... because there are so many threads about that ... Tx, and no ofense ... but don't include everything "LATEST" in your distro, cause it might NOT work. Me _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 23:17:02 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XMMS 1.2.8 ... realy was that necessary ? In-Reply-To: from "Botoaca Andrei" at Med 13, 2003 02:04:56 Message-ID: <200309122317.h8CNH2e32623@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I think you could have left the old one for a while, or at least check their > bug posts ... because there are so many threads about that ... > > Tx, and no ofense ... but don't include everything "LATEST" in your distro, > cause it might NOT work. And guess the best way to find out... Stick a note in bugzilla and roll back to an older one 8) Alan From jbinpg at shaw.ca Fri Sep 12 23:37:00 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:37:00 -0700 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <1063046463.10875.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908132131.GB646@redhat.com> <1063046463.10875.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030912233700.GA16924@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 02:41:03PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 11:27, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > > > > > We had this discussion a week ago internally. I see no reason to rehash > > > it when we reached concensus to make the change. > > > > The change is that the 2.4.22-20.1.2024.etc version number was pushed > > to RHN. After this is done, there's no going back. If we stick to > > the renumber change, any new kernels pushed to RHN will be considered > > older than what's in there now, so we won't get the newer kernels > > tested. > > No, there is going back. Remember, you're running rawhide. Mistakes > get made and by having active development pushed into an RHN channel > daily, if you're pulling from that, sometimes you have to do things by > hand to fix them up. This is one of those cases. This may be tangential here....but how does this topic jibe with Havoc's statement this past summer that "Red Hat would like our kernel to be closer to mainstream..." -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From gkarabin at pobox.com Sat Sep 13 02:23:38 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:23:38 -0700 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309122113.h8CLD6F17985@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309122113.h8CLD6F17985@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063419817.10313.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> Interesting. Is futex.h supposed to be in the /usr/include/linux tree? I can't find futex.h there, and it doesn't seem like it's in the rpm database either for that matter (although my rpmdb rpm is a bit out of date): $ locate futex.h /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl/include/linux/futex.h $ rpm -q rpmdb-redhat rpmdb-redhat-9.0.93-0.20030718 $ rpm --dbpath /usr/lib/rpmdb/i386-redhat-linux/redhat -qf /usr/include/linux/futex.h error: file /usr/include/linux/futex.h: No such file or directory On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 14:13, Alan Cox wrote: > > Seriously, it's always bad if programmers rely on non-guaranteed > > behaviour. Apparently, that's what the guys from TransGaming did. > > Transgaming relies on a property of the pipe code and old scheduler. I > actually have a fair bit of sympathy for them doing this. Its not like they > broke rules they tested scenarios and picked one that was fastest at the > time. > > As far as I can tell the stuff they really really need is futex locks, which > are in our 2.4 now (but not base 2.4) and are in base 2.6. > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From kylem at xwell.org Sat Sep 13 02:36:10 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:36:10 -0500 Subject: XMMS 1.2.8 ... realy was that necessary ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063420570.17495.5.camel@lando> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 18:04, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > Ok. I get it ... updates ... yes ... no harm, I know it's a beta ... but > couldn't you at least test a bit the software ... for example basic > functions ... try resizing the playlist ... IT DOES NOT WORK! Xmms goes all > crappy about it ... > I think you could have left the old one for a while, or at least check their > bug posts ... because there are so many threads about that ... > > Tx, and no ofense ... but don't include everything "LATEST" in your distro, > cause it might NOT work. I think you might be missing the point of running Raw Hide. It might act funny, it might not work, it might totally break, and the only thing you're guaranteed is to keep both bits (to borrow a phrase). This *is* the testing, to see if it might work or not when the distribution is released. If you don't want software not to work, run a released version and just keep up with the errata. One of the best descriptions of testing -- it's almost a manifesto -- was posted to this very list, https://listman.redhat.com/archives/phoebe-list/2003-March/msg00140.html. Read that and decide if you want to keep running the risk that "it might NOT work". -- Kyle Maxwell From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Sep 13 06:38:55 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:38:55 +0900 Subject: Version naming Message-ID: <3F62BB7F.4000000@tuins.ac.jp> I know some don't seem to think the final version naming is important, but for others it is, as we have to deal with it NOW. Anyway, I noticed on Amazon that the Red Hat "Unleashed" and "24 Hours" books are titled Red Hat X. Is that going to be it? So Mac-ish? And what's with the secrecy anyway? Why doesn't RH just come out and say what it is going to be? Or have they already done so? Ralston From mharris at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 07:04:22 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <3F62BB7F.4000000@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F62BB7F.4000000@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, rg wrote: >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:38:55 +0900 >From: rg >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Version naming > >I know some don't seem to think the final version naming is important, >but for others it is, as we have to deal with it NOW. Anyway, I noticed >on Amazon that the Red Hat "Unleashed" and "24 Hours" books are titled >Red Hat X. Is that going to be it? So Mac-ish? And what's with the >secrecy anyway? Why doesn't RH just come out and say what it is going to >be? Or have they already done so? Because the name, version number, etc. has not been decided yet. When it has been decided, and we are ready to tell people what it is called and whatnot, you'll read about it on the website and on these lists. For the record, traditionally, the product naming is done on the very last day of development. That's been the way it has been since I've been working at Red Hat now for just under 3 years, and I'm told that's the way it's been for every release before that. You will be given further information about the project on September 15th, as the website http://rhl.redhat.com states. To stay updated on all information, you can visit that website. Chances are if it isn't on the website, then it isn't public or is not decided upon yet. Hope this helps to clarify the confusion. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 13 07:12:00 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: 13 Sep 2003 00:12:00 -0700 Subject: faq? rawhide Message-ID: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello This might be an FAQ, but I couldn't find anything in Google. How DOES one use rawhide packages? Is it just a matter of ftp'ing them and installing them, or is there a 'better' way? Would it help if I ponyed up the cash for RHN? From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 07:12:37 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <3F62BB7F.4000000@tuins.ac.jp> from "rg" at Med 13, 2003 03:38:55 Message-ID: <200309130712.h8D7Cbo28402@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Red Hat X. Is that going to be it? So Mac-ish? And what's with the > secrecy anyway? Why doesn't RH just come out and say what it is going to > be? Or have they already done so? Our current preferred name requires we finish some negotiating and agreements with a third party. Alan From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Sep 13 07:06:51 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:06:51 +0900 Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: References: <3F62BB7F.4000000@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F62C20B.7040803@tuins.ac.jp> Got it. So those publishers who have mock covers for RH X on the Amazon site are just making a guess, so to speak. I guess that's why only two of them did so thus far. Anyway, I will keep my eyes open for info on the site. Thanks a lot for the clarification. Ralston Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, rg wrote: > > > >>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:38:55 +0900 >>From: rg >>To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >>List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases >> >>Subject: Version naming >> >>I know some don't seem to think the final version naming is important, >>but for others it is, as we have to deal with it NOW. Anyway, I noticed >>on Amazon that the Red Hat "Unleashed" and "24 Hours" books are titled >>Red Hat X. Is that going to be it? So Mac-ish? And what's with the >>secrecy anyway? Why doesn't RH just come out and say what it is going to >>be? Or have they already done so? >> >> > >Because the name, version number, etc. has not been decided yet. >When it has been decided, and we are ready to tell people what it >is called and whatnot, you'll read about it on the website and on >these lists. > >For the record, traditionally, the product naming is done on the >very last day of development. That's been the way it has been >since I've been working at Red Hat now for just under 3 years, >and I'm told that's the way it's been for every release before >that. > >You will be given further information about the project on >September 15th, as the website http://rhl.redhat.com states. To >stay updated on all information, you can visit that website. >Chances are if it isn't on the website, then it isn't public or >is not decided upon yet. > >Hope this helps to clarify the confusion. > > > > From mharris at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 07:23:16 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk> References: <1063388423.27332.6.camel@hawk> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Joseph Phillips wrote: >Please pardon my vanity, but will the next release of RHL support truly >transparent gnome-terminals? > >I'm not talking about the pseudo-transparency of the past, wherein the >terminal simply displays the portion of the background image. With this >sort of fake-transparency, any window, that comes intermediate between >the terminal and the background image, is not displayed. Instead, the >background image is displayed, even though the object directly beneath >the terminal is another window. > >I know this is a cosmetic feature, but I'd be willing to bet that, as >far as cosmetic features go, this one ranks pretty high up there in >terms of feature-requested popularity. If you're refering to the kind of translucency provided by Windows XP and Mac OS/X, then the short answer is currently "not any time soon". The longer answer is that this has nothing to do with gnome-terminal, but rather it has to do with X11. The X11 protocol has no concept of window opacity/translucency, and applications are thus not designed to take that concept into account either. What people refer often to as "true translucency" (some calling it transparency, however the two words have entirely different meanings), is something that needs to be done directly in the X server core, and in order to do that, a new X11 extension needs to be designed and written. Keith Packard, whom has designed and implemented among various things - the Render extension, RandR extension, Xft client side font library, fontconfig, Xcursor colour animated alpha blended mouse cursors, and numerous other core X extensions and other major parts of XFree86 and X11, is the most likely person to do this work. He has done some research on the topic of adding translucency to the X server. It is a very complex topic, and will require a fair amount of research and design, and likely a number of implementation experiments before a design is settled on. It is believed that this work will require major changes to the X server on all levels from the DIX to the DDX, which basically includes everything from primitive drawing code to device drivers. This amount of work is going to take a long time, in particular if Keith is the only one working on it, and then it will likely require all of the drivers to be updated to support it. You can find Keith's whitepapers on the Translucent Window Extension on his website: http://keithp.com There is no work being done on this at the time being by Keith or anyone else to the best of my knowledge, and while Keith has an interest in doing it, he has interests in many other things as well, such as completing the Render extension, completing the RandR extension (rotation and reflection), developing his kdrive X server (TinyX), and numerous other projects he has his fingers in. When he digs into this (assuming nobody else has attempted it yet), it will more than likely be volunteer work done on his own time, and so it'll likely be completed whenever he gets around to completing it, assuming he has time. The other option is for some corporation to want such a feature bad enough to fund the development of it, and contribute the work to the community. The likelyhood of anyone paying the rather large sum of money it would take to have such a feature implemented, in my personal opinion is very small, since it is only an eye candy feature, and serves little to no really useful purpose that could justify the cost it would take to implement. The money that some company might put up to develop such a feature, would be much better spent on implementing other things that are missing in X11 such as hotplug input device autodetection, accelerating render support in the rest of the most prominent video drivers, improving i18n support, and many other features that are sorely missing and are required for much more practical reasons than hollywood special effects. The bottom line is: Don't hold your breath for a couple years. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 07:28:30 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <200309121857.h8CIvSe06065@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309121857.h8CIvSe06065@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Alan Cox wrote: >> transparency would need to impliment it all over again. So the WM and >> Xserver really need to develop a API that apps can use for this. > >The current core X server implementation is deeply wedded to not keeping >copies of all the windows. It would probably be easier to add that to the >kdrive server however Yep, whenever work is started on the Translucent Window Extension, it will almost certainly begin in the kdrive server, as that is Keith's X server experimental development test bed. For those that don't know what kdrive is, it is an X server that Keith designed for tiny embedded devices such as the iPaq PDA. The source code of which is part of XFree86, and if people are interested in playing with it, the Red Hat XFree86 src.rpm has special support to build kdrive optionally, by enabling the RPM macro in the spec file "with_kdrive" and rebuilding. kdrive is very minimal and requires no configuration. Hopefully some of you will find this info helpful for something new to play around with. kdrive is slick. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 07:58:24 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <3F62C20B.7040803@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F62BB7F.4000000@tuins.ac.jp> <3F62C20B.7040803@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, rg wrote: >Got it. So those publishers who have mock covers for RH X on the Amazon >site are just making a guess, so to speak. I guess that's why only two >of them did so thus far. Anyway, I will keep my eyes open for info on >the site. Thanks a lot for the clarification. Basically, yes. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 08:04:45 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: faq? rawhide In-Reply-To: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Ben Hsu wrote: >This might be an FAQ, but I couldn't find anything in Google. > >How DOES one use rawhide packages? Is it just a matter of ftp'ing them >and installing them, or is there a 'better' way? Would it help if I >ponyed up the cash for RHN? In some cases rawhide packages can be installed on the current OS release, and they may or may not work, but often they do. There are never any guarantees however, and the risk is entirely in the hands of the user. Rawhide is developmental so it's intended for development and it can and will break in various ways randomly, sometimes catastrophically. Don't use it or it's packages at all if that risk is too much for your system or data. At the present time, the best way of using rawhide, is to install the Severn beta release, and then upgrade to current rawhide using up2date or yum. It's a beta release of course, and rawhide is very experimental, so it's not intended for production use, and many things definitely will be highly likely to be unstable. Paying for RHN will provide you with higher speed access to RHN, and provide access even when the server is very busy, but it won't really affect your ability to use rawhide either way. Rawhide is available for everyone beta-testing packages to use wether they're paying for RHN or not. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From cn at centurytel.net Sat Sep 13 08:25:18 2003 From: cn at centurytel.net (Chris Negus) Date: 13 Sep 2003 01:25:18 -0700 Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <3F62C20B.7040803@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F62BB7F.4000000@tuins.ac.jp> <3F62C20B.7040803@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1063441518.28293.2372.camel@duck.digidread.com> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 00:06, rg wrote: > Got it. So those publishers who have mock covers for RH X on the Amazon > site are just making a guess, so to speak. I guess that's why only two > of them did so thus far. Actually, it was done for the Red Hat Linux X Bible as well as the two you mentioned. (Although, for some reason, the publisher put Red Hat Linux XX Bible on the cover shown at amazon.com.) The "X" has been used in past editions simply as a placeholder until Red Hat names the product. The fact that "X" can represent "10" is just a fluke in our case. No guess at the name is intended. -- Chris Negus From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 13 09:21:33 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:21:33 +0200 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <1063406984.22200.62.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1063406984.22200.62.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030913112133.30758a39.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:49:44 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 06:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for > > both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these > > really distinct products? > > You can see "Red Hat Linux Beta"? That is (was) where we would put bugs > against the non-public betas that existed internally before the > "project" was launched. I was unaware the public could see that now. ??? This is the place where bugs in Severn have been filed since its release. Directly copied from: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi?action=second "Red Hat Linux Beta: For bugs about the Severn release of Red Hat Linux Project, please choose Beta1 as the version and i386 as the platform." -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 13 09:27:03 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:27:03 +0200 Subject: XMMS 1.2.8 ... realy was that necessary ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030913112703.4b34bd14.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 02:04:56 +0300, Botoaca Andrei wrote: > Ok. I get it ... updates ... yes ... no harm, I know it's a beta ... but > couldn't you at least test a bit the software ... for example basic > functions ... try resizing the playlist ... IT DOES NOT WORK! Xmms goes all > crappy about it ... > I think you could have left the old one for a while, or at least check their > bug posts ... because there are so many threads about that ... > > Tx, and no ofense ... but don't include everything "LATEST" in your distro, > cause it might NOT work. The good old 1.2.7 package is still available in case the 1.2.8 turns out to be unusable and cannot be fixed in time. Sometimes Red Hat see complaints that they should rely on community testing, but when they let their own community test a new upstream release as part of an alpha/beta program (remember, Severn Updates are from Raw Hide), there are complaints about that, too. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Sep 13 09:30:11 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <20030913112133.30758a39.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:49:44 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 06:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for > > > both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these > > > really distinct products? > > > > You can see "Red Hat Linux Beta"? That is (was) where we would put bugs > > against the non-public betas that existed internally before the > > "project" was launched. I was unaware the public could see that now. > > ??? > > This is the place where bugs in Severn have been filed since its > release. > > Directly copied from: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi?action=second > > "Red Hat Linux Beta: For bugs about the Severn release of Red Hat > Linux Project, please choose Beta1 as the version and i386 as the > platform." oh, lord, it's hard to misunderestimate the entertainment value i get from these lists at times. :-) currently, at bugzilla, one finds among the list of products: RH Enterprise Linux RH Enterprise Linux Public Beta (which makes sense) RH Linux RH Linux Beta RH Public Beta (which is confusing as heck) clicking from one of these betas to the other clearly changes the contents of the "Version" list next to it, which suggests there are really different ... somethings. some clarification would be nice. rday From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 13 09:44:33 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:44:33 +0200 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: References: <20030913112133.30758a39.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20030913114433.414b78ee.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:30:11 -0400 (EDT), Robert P. J. Day wrote: > oh, lord, it's hard to misunderestimate the entertainment value i get from > these lists at times. :-) > > currently, at bugzilla, one finds among the list of products: > > RH Enterprise Linux > RH Enterprise Linux Public Beta > > (which makes sense) > > RH Linux > RH Linux Beta > RH Public Beta > > (which is confusing as heck) > > clicking from one of these betas to the other clearly changes the > contents of the "Version" list next to it, which suggests there are > really different ... somethings. > > some clarification would be nice. Before "Severn" and the plans on the RHLP, there had been Red Hat Linux Red Hat Public Beta Red Hat Raw Hide and a hidden "Red Hat Linux Beta" for the members of the non-public beta program. This has changed. Now there is only: Red Hat Linux Red Hat Linux Beta Red Hat Raw Hide And as pointed out earlier in a different thread, I find it extremely unfortunate that with the current situation, the last two are not tied together and the "See bugs in this component" button does not take into account bugs in Raw Hide. So, before submitting a new report about Severn, one must query at least Raw Hide and Shrike, too. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Sep 13 09:50:41 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <20030913114433.414b78ee.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Before "Severn" and the plans on the RHLP, there had been > > Red Hat Linux > Red Hat Public Beta > Red Hat Raw Hide > > and a hidden "Red Hat Linux Beta" for the members of the non-public > beta program. This has changed. Now there is only: > > Red Hat Linux > Red Hat Linux Beta > Red Hat Raw Hide perhaps i'm misunderstanding, but there is *also* a "Red Hat Public Beta" still listed -- i'm looking at it right now. or did you mean that there's only *supposed* to be the list you gave? in any case, yes, some reorganization seems to be in order. rday From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 13 09:59:16 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:59:16 +0200 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: References: <20030913114433.414b78ee.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20030913115916.14636f9c.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:50:41 -0400 (EDT), Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > Before "Severn" and the plans on the RHLP, there had been > > > > Red Hat Linux > > Red Hat Public Beta > > Red Hat Raw Hide > > > > and a hidden "Red Hat Linux Beta" for the members of the non-public > > beta program. This has changed. Now there is only: > > > > Red Hat Linux > > Red Hat Linux Beta > > Red Hat Raw Hide > > perhaps i'm misunderstanding, but there is *also* a "Red Hat Public Beta" > still listed -- i'm looking at it right now. > > or did you mean that there's only *supposed* to be the list you gave? > in any case, yes, some reorganization seems to be in order. I refer to the following two pages: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi You are right that there are still reports about the old public beta releases, such as Skipjack, Phoebe, Limbo, (null), and so on. That's the reason why you can still "Query" those product's bug databases. You can't submit new reports about those products any longer, however. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is the beta's flower wallpaper going to be in the final? I like > that better than the blue back - seems so cheerful and inviting. i think that would be a bad idea, since it seems advisable to have a *clear* visual distinction that you're not working with the beta anymore. nitpicky, sure. but it's a simple way to reduce the potential confusion. rday From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Sep 13 10:56:11 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:56:11 +0900 Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F62F7CB.30906@tuins.ac.jp> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, rg wrote: > > > >>P.S. Is the beta's flower wallpaper going to be in the final? I like >>that better than the blue back - seems so cheerful and inviting. >> >> > >i think that would be a bad idea, since it seems advisable to have a >*clear* visual distinction that you're not working with the beta anymore. > >nitpicky, sure. but it's a simple way to reduce the potential confusion. > >rday > > True, but most end users will have never used the beta. They'd be none the wiser. Maybe cut it out of the next beta(s) and bring it back in the final release... rg > > From pp at ee.oulu.fi Sat Sep 13 11:17:37 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:17:37 +0300 Subject: New Kernel - athlon - Mozilla In-Reply-To: <20030912233700.GA16924@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <3F5BE89E.5060506@insight.rr.com> <20030908025626.GF2786@redhat.com> <20030908124821.GA646@redhat.com> <20030908132131.GB646@redhat.com> <1063046463.10875.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <20030912233700.GA16924@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <20030913111737.GA18521@ee.oulu.fi> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:37:00PM -0700, Jack Bowling wrote: > > get made and by having active development pushed into an RHN channel > > daily, if you're pulling from that, sometimes you have to do things by > > hand to fix them up. This is one of those cases. > > This may be tangential here....but how does this topic jibe with Havoc's > statement this past summer that "Red Hat would like our kernel to be > closer to mainstream..." For the 2.6 test kernel rpms this is pretty much true. The 2.4 kernel hasn't deviated much more than the RH9 one did (exec-shield being a notable exception). Removing features from something that has been released is a lot harder than not adding any new ones :-) That said, rawhide-quality packages getting autoinstalled by up2date when "just clicking a gui" is not a good idea, and should at least require the user to click on something with skull and crossbones to get subscribed to that channel :-) (I use yum+manual fixing when necessary + some manual tracking of the current installed set vs. what is in rawhide using diff of ls |awk|sed of the ftp server vs. rpm -qa | sort to catch version numbers that go down etc.) -- Pekka Pietikainen From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Sep 13 11:24:10 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <3F62F7CB.30906@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, rg wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > ... it seems advisable to have a > >*clear* visual distinction that you're not working with the beta anymore. > True, but most end users will have never used the beta. They'd be none > the wiser. i wasn't talking about the end users, i was talking about *me*. some days, i need all the help i can get. :-P rday From bwheadley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 13 12:15:14 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:15:14 -0500 Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: <200309121857.h8CIvSe06065@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309121857.h8CIvSe06065@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F630A52.70509@earthlink.net> Alan Cox wrote: >> * Graphics acceleration (currently Matrox G200/G400/G450/G550, >>ATI128, Voodoo 3, NeoMagic, Savage and CyberPro) > > > It does VESA software too - and its generally pretty fast > > >>I think the window manger/Xserver need true layering support though. >>Then the Transparent windows would work. Right now, gnome-terminal (or > > > Thats why I said look at the directfb X server > > >>transparency would need to impliment it all over again. So the WM and >>Xserver really need to develop a API that apps can use for this. > > > The current core X server implementation is deeply wedded to not keeping > copies of all the windows. It would probably be easier to add that to the > kdrive server however > How about, http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/transluxent/ -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp Sat Sep 13 13:39:16 2003 From: grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp (rg2) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:39:16 +0900 Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F631E04.3040505@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, rg wrote: > > > >>Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> >> > > > >>>... it seems advisable to have a >>>*clear* visual distinction that you're not working with the beta anymore. >>> >>> > > > >>True, but most end users will have never used the beta. They'd be none >>the wiser. >> >> > >i wasn't talking about the end users, i was talking about *me*. some >days, i need all the help i can get. :-P > >rday > > > Aha! Didn't think about that point. I know the feeling.... :-[ rg From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 13 14:57:49 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: 13 Sep 2003 07:57:49 -0700 Subject: faq? rawhide In-Reply-To: References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063465069.4161.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 01:04, Mike A. Harris wrote: > At the present time, the best way of using rawhide, is to install > the Severn beta release, and then upgrade to current rawhide > using up2date or yum. This is basically what I'm asking, how does one use up2date/yum to upgrade to rawhide? When I use "up2date -ul" it only shows me two packages for my system From peng1pro at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 15:05:37 2003 From: peng1pro at yahoo.com (Donn Robert Proctor Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ipchains: incompatible with this kernel ?? Message-ID: <20030913150537.94158.qmail@web14409.mail.yahoo.com> i have upgraded my system from rh9 to rh9.0.93 and having problems with ipchians: i get this error when i try to do a insert "ipchains: protocol not available". when i do "service ipchains status" i get the error "ipchains: incompatible with this kernel". here is some other info: ipchains version 1.3.10-19 kernel version 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl anyone have ideas or suggestions???? anything is very helpful. (i am wanting to use ipchains to finish setting up my machine as a gateway router for my home network to my outside internet connection) Thank you all for your time and information. -- Donn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 22:05, Donn Robert Proctor Jr. wrote: > i have upgraded my system from rh9 to rh9.0.93 and having problems > with ipchians: i get this error when i try to do a insert "ipchains: > protocol not available". > when i do "service ipchains status" i get the error "ipchains: > incompatible with this kernel". > here is some other info: > ipchains version 1.3.10-19 > kernel version 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl > anyone have ideas or suggestions???? anything is very helpful. > (i am wanting to use ipchains to finish setting up my machine as a > gateway router for my home network to my outside internet connection) > > Thank you all for your time and information. > -- Donn > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 13 15:31:07 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <20030913114433.414b78ee.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> from "Michael Schwendt" at Sep 13, 2003 11:44:33 AM Message-ID: <200309131531.h8DFV8T00675@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> When upgrading to Severn from CDs, I distinctly remember one of the messages during installation advising to report bugs to "Red Hat Public Beta", _not_ Red Hat Linux Beta. This should be fixed in the ISOs for Beta 2. From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 15:48:37 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: from "Mike A. Harris" at Med 13, 2003 03:28:30 Message-ID: <200309131548.h8DFmbK12747@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > interested in playing with it, the Red Hat XFree86 src.rpm has > special support to build kdrive optionally, by enabling the RPM > macro in the spec file "with_kdrive" and rebuilding. kdrive is > very minimal and requires no configuration. Its also worth adding that kdrive makes design decisions that are not just good for PDA devices, the redesigned renderer is also far better for the unaccelerated render ops on almost any CPU that is multi-issue and has a cache (ie pentium or later) > Hopefully some of you will find this info helpful for something > new to play around with. kdrive is slick. ;o) On my 24Mb 486 tablet PC its a blessing 8) From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 13 15:49:50 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <1063027455.8035.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> from "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias" at Sep 08, 2003 03:24:15 PM Message-ID: <200309131549.h8DFnoE00710@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Another problem : > Every time i log in with gdm i have this warning : > > You have chosen Default System Session for this session. > > If you wish to make Default System Session the default for futur sessions= > , > > run the swithdesk utility > > (Sytem->Desktop Switch Tool from the panel menu). > > switchdesk don't suppress this warning. > > Any ideas ? > > Should i file them in bugzilla ? I experience the same thing. Downgrading gdm to the original Severn version (gdm-2.4.1.3-8) eliminates the problem. When I upgrade to the present Rawhide version (gdm-2.4.4.0-2), it comes back. I just filed it in Bugzilla (Bug 104367). From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 15:53:48 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Truly Transparent gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: from "Mike A. Harris" at Med 13, 2003 03:23:16 Message-ID: <200309131553.h8DFrma14459@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > There is no work being done on this at the time being by Keith or > anyone else to the best of my knowledge, and while Keith has an > interest in doing it, he has interests in many other things as The DirectFB X server has roughly the right bits in the right place. The big big issue with translucent windows is that you need all the visible bits plus overlaid bits of all the windows around. At that point for non smart cards you can composite rectangles in main memory and blit when there is translucency or on anything with rudimentary 3D support you use the 3D engine. You composite the windows as if each window was one or more textures (you get crazy stuff like bending windows, mapping them around spheres and the like for free too 8)) In XFree 4.x the upper layers are happy with this, the rendering code is happy with this (minus having the right 3D accel functions for the compositing) but the bit in the middle has some definite ideas about on and offscreen pixmaps. Alan From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 15:55:00 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: faq? rawhide In-Reply-To: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> from "Ben Hsu" at Med 13, 2003 12:12:00 Message-ID: <200309131555.h8DFt0N15026@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > How DOES one use rawhide packages? Is it just a matter of ftp'ing them > and installing them, or is there a 'better' way? Would it help if I > ponyed up the cash for RHN? FTP is one way, YUM from a rawhide mirror supporting YUM is another (either using the yum tool or the rawhide version of up2date). From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 13 16:16:53 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X Windows problem Message-ID: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Starting with the XFree86-4.3.0-25 updates, there is an annoying bug that affects dragging windows. Often, when I click on a window menu bar to drag it, it won't move. When I click on it again, then it will move. If I click on the menu bar once and it doesn't move, if I move the mouse pointer somewhere else and click again, the window suddenly jumps to the new location. I tried downgrading to the 4.3.0-24 packages and the problem persisted. The newer 4.3.0-29 packages haven't helped either. Could the original Xfree86-4.3.0-25 packages have caused some configuration change that has to be fixed manually? I don't know much about the internals of X Windows so I'm not sure what package to file a bug report under. (XFree86 or one of the associated XFree86 packages?) From sbrunner at rackable.com Sat Sep 13 16:25:13 2003 From: sbrunner at rackable.com (Scott Brunner) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:25:13 -0700 Subject: faq? rawhide References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <00b201c37a13$9c41a160$3801a8c0@corp.rackable.com> If you are using YUM ( http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ ) go to the repository page ( http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/repos/ ) and click on the repository you want. This will take you to a page that will show you what you want to and to you YUM config. For example you could add this for the rawhide repository [rhl-rawhide] name=Red Hat Linux rawhide @ dulug baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/i386/ you can also google for yum mirrors. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=YUM+rawhide+mirror -- Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Hsu" To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: faq? rawhide > Hello > > This might be an FAQ, but I couldn't find anything in Google. > > How DOES one use rawhide packages? Is it just a matter of ftp'ing them > and installing them, or is there a 'better' way? Would it help if I > ponyed up the cash for RHN? > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Sep 13 16:34:59 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:34:59 +0200 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <200309131531.h8DFV8T00675@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200309131531.h8DFV8T00675@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F634733.7020409@gmx.de> Andre Robatino wrote: > When upgrading to Severn from CDs, I distinctly remember one of the >messages during installation advising to report bugs to "Red Hat Public >Beta", _not_ Red Hat Linux Beta. This should be fixed in the ISOs for >Beta 2. > > sure? $ rpm -q anaconda-images anaconda-images-9.0.93-1 $ ls /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/* ; gimp /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/* /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/01-rh9093-welcome.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/02-rh9093-beta_list.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/03-rh9093-bugzilla.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/04-rh9093-website.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/05-rh9093-schedule.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/06-rh9093-rhn_updates.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/07-rh9093-irc.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/08-rh9093-devel_list.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/09-rh9093-graphical_boot.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/10-rh9093-package_tool.png /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/11-rh9093-thanks.png -- shrek-m From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 13 16:37:58 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:37:58 -0400 Subject: faq? rawhide In-Reply-To: <20030913171107.24532afe.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063465069.4161.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030913171107.24532afe.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200309131237.59024.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 13, 2003 11:11 am, Michael Schwendt Michael Schwendt wrote: > > upgrade to rawhide? When I use "up2date -ul" it only shows me two > > packages for my system > > Subscribe to the "Severn Updates" channel. https://rhn.redhat.com I have my machine subscribed to that channel, but it doesn't update anything. Until I installed yum, I was doing my rawhide updates the "old" manual way: open /var/log/rpmpkgs, and while comparing its contents, download the newer packages from rawhide. Now I use "yum update rawhide". However, just to educate myself, do I need to configure up2date so that it fetches stuff from the channel, rather than having to call up yum, every so often? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 13 17:04:20 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <3F634733.7020409@gmx.de> from "shrek-m@gmx.de" at Sep 13, 2003 06:34:59 PM Message-ID: <200309131704.h8DH4KU00925@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Andre Robatino wrote: > > > When upgrading to Severn from CDs, I distinctly remember one of the > >messages during installation advising to report bugs to "Red Hat Public > >Beta", _not_ Red Hat Linux Beta. This should be fixed in the ISOs for > >Beta 2. > > > > > > sure? > > $ rpm -q anaconda-images > anaconda-images-9.0.93-1 > > $ ls /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/* ; gimp > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/* > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/01-rh9093-welcome.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/02-rh9093-beta_list.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/03-rh9093-bugzilla.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/04-rh9093-website.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/05-rh9093-schedule.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/06-rh9093-rhn_updates.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/07-rh9093-irc.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/08-rh9093-devel_list.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/09-rh9093-graphical_boot.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/10-rh9093-package_tool.png > /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/rnotes/11-rh9093-thanks.png > > > -- > shrek-m I looked through these and the other anaconda packages and can't find the image. However, I'm quite sure of what I saw since I made a mental note upon seeing it (it was the first time I installed a beta). Any chance the message could be somewhere else in the code in some form other than an image (say text such as HTML superimposed on an image)? I know for sure there _was_ a message stating specifically where to file bugs in bugzilla, and none of the above images do that. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 13 17:14:41 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:14:41 +0200 Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <200309131549.h8DFnoE00710@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200309131549.h8DFnoE00710@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1063473281.8339.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:49, Andre Robatino wrote: > > Another problem : > > Every time i log in with gdm i have this warning : > > > You have chosen Default System Session for this session. > > > If you wish to make Default System Session the default for futur sessions= > > , > > > run the swithdesk utility > > > (Sytem->Desktop Switch Tool from the panel menu). > > > > switchdesk don't suppress this warning. > > > > Any ideas ? > > > > Should i file them in bugzilla ? > > I experience the same thing. Downgrading gdm to the original Severn > version (gdm-2.4.1.3-8) eliminates the problem. When I upgrade to the > present Rawhide version (gdm-2.4.4.0-2), it comes back. I just filed it in > Bugzilla (Bug 104367). > I found a workaround. I replace $HOME/.dmrc content from : [Desktop] Session=gnome.desktop to : [Desktop] Session=Default.desktop -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 13 17:35:12 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <200309131704.h8DH4KU00925@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> from "Andre Robatino" at Sep 13, 2003 01:04:20 PM Message-ID: <200309131735.h8DHZCL00998@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > I looked through these and the other anaconda packages and can't find > the image. However, I'm quite sure of what I saw since I made a mental > note upon seeing it (it was the first time I installed a beta). Any > chance the message could be somewhere else in the code in some form other > than an image (say text such as HTML superimposed on an image)? I know > for sure there _was_ a message stating specifically where to file bugs > in bugzilla, and none of the above images do that. Could this be it? Package anaconda-9.0.93-1, /usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 13 17:36:52 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:36:52 +0200 Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1063474612.8339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 18:16, Andre Robatino wrote: > Starting with the XFree86-4.3.0-25 updates, there is an annoying bug that > affects dragging windows. Often, when I click on a window menu bar to drag > it, it won't move. When I click on it again, then it will move. If I click > on the menu bar once and it doesn't move, if I move the mouse pointer > somewhere else and click again, the window suddenly jumps to the new > location. > I tried downgrading to the 4.3.0-24 packages and the problem persisted. > The newer 4.3.0-29 packages haven't helped either. Could the original > Xfree86-4.3.0-25 packages have caused some configuration change that has to > be fixed manually? > > I don't know much about the internals of X Windows so I'm not > sure what package to file a bug report under. (XFree86 or one of the > associated XFree86 packages?) > I confirm the bug with metacity and XFree86-4.3.0-29. icewm and XFree86-4.3.0-29 is OK. Use package XFree86. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 13 17:40:43 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <200309131735.h8DHZCL00998@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> from "Andre Robatino" at Sep 13, 2003 01:35:12 PM Message-ID: <200309131740.h8DHeik01017@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Could this be it? > > Package anaconda-9.0.93-1, /usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py: Don't know what happened, the following text should have been attached: def betaNagScreen(intf, dir): publicBetas = { "Red Hat Linux": "Red Hat Linux Public Beta", "Red Hat Enterprise Linux": "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Public Beta" } if dir == DISPATCH_BACK: return DISPATCH_NOOP fileagainst = None for (key, val) in publicBetas.items(): if productName.startswith(key): fileagainst = val if fileagainst is None: fileagainst = "%s Beta" %(productName,) while 1: rc = intf.messageWindow( _("Warning! This is a beta!"), _("Thank you for downloading this " "%s Beta release.\n\n" "This is not a final " "release and is not intended for use " "on production systems. The purpose of " "this release is to collect feedback " "from testers, and it is not suitable " "for day to day usage.\n\n" "To report feedback, please visit:\n\n" " http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla\n\n" "and file a report against '%s'.\n" %(productName, fileagainst)), type="custom", custom_icon="warning", custom_buttons=[_("_Exit"), _("_Install BETA")]) From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 13 17:46:59 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:46:59 +0200 Subject: Downloading with mozilla Message-ID: <1063475218.8339.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Someone else can confirm this bug with the latest RawHide : http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104275 -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Sat Sep 13 18:11:30 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:11:30 -0500 Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <1063473281.8339.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309131549.h8DFnoE00710@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1063473281.8339.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063476689.17293.1.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 12:14, F??liciano Matias wrote: > I found a workaround. > I replace $HOME/.dmrc content from : > [Desktop] > Session=gnome.desktop > > to : > [Desktop] > Session=Default.desktop > Goodus dealus! From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 13 18:13:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:13:30 -0400 Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <1063473281.8339.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309131549.h8DFnoE00710@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1063473281.8339.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309131413.30739.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 13, 2003 01:14 pm, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias wrote: > > present Rawhide version (gdm-2.4.4.0-2), it comes back. I just filed it > > in Bugzilla (Bug 104367). > > I found a workaround. > I replace $HOME/.dmrc content from : > [Desktop] > Session=gnome.desktop > > to : > [Desktop] > Session=Default.desktop No such problem with gdm-2.4.4.0-2, here. It presents only three options: Default, KDE, and Failsafe. The previous version showed *four* options: Default, Gnome, KDE, and Failsafe. HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 13 18:26:15 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:26:15 +0200 Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <200309131413.30739.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309131549.h8DFnoE00710@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1063473281.8339.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309131413.30739.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063477575.8719.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 20:13, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 13, 2003 01:14 pm, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias > wrote: > > > > present Rawhide version (gdm-2.4.4.0-2), it comes back. I just filed it > > > in Bugzilla (Bug 104367). > > > > I found a workaround. > > I replace $HOME/.dmrc content from : > > [Desktop] > > Session=gnome.desktop > > > > to : > > [Desktop] > > Session=Default.desktop > No such problem with gdm-2.4.4.0-2, here. It presents only three > options: Default, KDE, and Failsafe. The previous version showed > *four* options: Default, Gnome, KDE, and Failsafe. > There is no problem with new account, only with some old accounts (that is created with severn beta1). It's a compatibility issue. > HTH, > > Elton ;-) -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kylem at xwell.org Sat Sep 13 18:33:38 2003 From: kylem at xwell.org (Kyle Maxwell) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:33:38 -0500 Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: <1063474612.8339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1063474612.8339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063478018.19339.0.camel@lando> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 12:36, F?liciano Matias wrote: > I confirm the bug with metacity and XFree86-4.3.0-29. > icewm and XFree86-4.3.0-29 is OK. > Use package XFree86. If you change window managers and the problem goes away, the problem is probably with the window manager, not X. Shouldn't the bug be filed against metacity instead? -- Kyle Maxwell From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 13 18:36:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:36:39 -0400 Subject: yum update rawhide: what am I missing? In-Reply-To: References: <200309121312.53442.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309121334.40042.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200309131436.39538.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 12, 2003 01:46 pm, Satish Balay Satish Balay wrote: > I just change $releasever to rawhide - which would be: > > [base] > name=Red Hat Linux rawhide - $basearch - Base > baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/rawhide/$bas >earch/ Thank you. This works! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 13 19:05:00 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:05:00 +0200 Subject: faq? rawhide In-Reply-To: <200309131237.59024.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063465069.4161.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030913171107.24532afe.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <200309131237.59024.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030913210500.13122e19.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:37:58 -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > > upgrade to rawhide? When I use "up2date -ul" it only shows me two > > > packages for my system > > > > Subscribe to the "Severn Updates" channel. https://rhn.redhat.com > > I have my machine subscribed to that channel, but it doesn't update > anything. Not enough input. I can't comment on that. > Now I use "yum update rawhide". Where did you get that syntax from? Isn't it "yum update [packagename] [packagename] [...]"? > However, just to educate myself, > do I need to configure up2date so that it fetches stuff from the > channel, rather than having to call up yum, every so often? If I knew what you get when you run "up2date --nox -u" in a terminal, and if I knew the current state of your system (i.e. what has been done to it since installation of Severn), maybe then I could guess. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 13 19:06:20 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:06:20 +0200 Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: <1063478018.19339.0.camel@lando> References: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1063474612.8339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063478018.19339.0.camel@lando> Message-ID: <1063479980.8719.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 20:33, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 12:36, F?liciano Matias wrote: > > I confirm the bug with metacity and XFree86-4.3.0-29. > > icewm and XFree86-4.3.0-29 is OK. > > Use package XFree86. > > If you change window managers and the problem goes away, the problem is > probably with the window manager, not X. Shouldn't the bug be filed > against metacity instead? Yes. But icewm is not metacity and perhaps it doesn't not use XFree86 in the same way than metacity. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 19:31:47 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: <1063479980.8719.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> from "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias" at Med 13, 2003 09:06:20 Message-ID: <200309131931.h8DJVlL04489@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Yes. > But icewm is not metacity and perhaps it doesn't not use XFree86 in the > same way than metacity. I've updated my metacity/libwnck and restarted it and it seems ok. I'll restart X once the rest is in sync and see what happens From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 13 20:11:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:11:43 -0400 Subject: faq? rawhide In-Reply-To: <20030913210500.13122e19.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309131237.59024.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030913210500.13122e19.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200309131611.43553.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 13, 2003 03:05 pm, Michael Schwendt Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Subscribe to the "Severn Updates" channel. https://rhn.redhat.com > > > > I have my machine subscribed to that channel, but it doesn't update > > anything. > > Not enough input. I can't comment on that. > > > Now I use "yum update rawhide". > > Where did you get that syntax from? > Isn't it "yum update [packagename] [packagename] [...]"? I got that from someone's previous posting to the list. Also, I have configured /etc/yum.conf as advised here. > If I knew what you get when you run "up2date --nox -u" in a terminal, I now get *this*: root]# up2date --nox -u Error communicating with server. The message was: Error Message: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='20030913', arch='athlon-redhat-linux') If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. Error Class Code: 19 Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. Explanation: An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and details on how to reproduce this problem. > and if I knew the current state of your system (i.e. what has been > done to it since installation of Severn), maybe then I could guess. To avoid a very long message, I will refrain from posting my rpmpkgs, but since installing Severn, I have all the latest updates from rawhide (to 12th Sept.). Is this sufficient information, or am I still missing some details? TIA, Elton ;-) P.S. I *have* updated my demo account cert as per instructions HERE: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/latest-up2date.pxt -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Sep 13 20:52:17 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:52:17 +0200 Subject: faq? rawhide In-Reply-To: <200309131611.43553.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309131237.59024.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030913210500.13122e19.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <200309131611.43553.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063486336.8719.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 22:11, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 13, 2003 03:05 pm, Michael Schwendt Michael Schwendt > wrote: > > > > Subscribe to the "Severn Updates" channel. https://rhn.redhat.com > > > > > > I have my machine subscribed to that channel, but it doesn't update > > > anything. > > > > Not enough input. I can't comment on that. > > > > > Now I use "yum update rawhide". > > > > Where did you get that syntax from? > > Isn't it "yum update [packagename] [packagename] [...]"? > > I got that from someone's previous posting to the list. > Also, I have configured /etc/yum.conf as advised here. > > > If I knew what you get when you run "up2date --nox -u" in a terminal, > I now get *this*: > root]# up2date --nox -u > Error communicating with server. The message was: > > Error Message: > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > (release='20030913', arch='athlon-redhat-linux') Install redhat-release-9.0.93-4 (or 9.0.93-1 from severn CD) and not redhat-release package from rawhide. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The message was: > > Error Message: > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > (release='20030913', arch='athlon-redhat-linux') This is not Severn anymore, but Raw Hide Release 20030913 (see "cat /etc/redhat-release") and hence is not compatible with the RHN Severn Updates channel. You need to install a compatible redhat-release package from Severn. -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I downgraded metacity to the original Severn version (2.4.55-5) and upon restarting X the problem was gone. Then I upgraded back to metacity-2.5.3-3, restarted X, and it came back. So the problem is almost definitely with metacity. Also, the build date for the new version (Sept. 4) suggests that the problem started the first time I restarted X after downloading this package. I filed this in bugzilla (#104373). From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 13 22:50:07 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: remote display In-Reply-To: <1063476689.17293.1.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> from "Paul Morgan" at Sep 13, 2003 01:11:30 PM Message-ID: <200309132250.h8DMo7003526@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 12:14, F??liciano Matias wrote: > > I found a workaround. > > I replace $HOME/.dmrc content from : > > [Desktop] > > Session=gnome.desktop > > > > to : > > [Desktop] > > Session=Default.desktop That fixed it, thanks! From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 23:02:33 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: <200309132243.h8DMhJw03478@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> from "Andre Robatino" at Med 13, 2003 06:43:19 Message-ID: <200309132302.h8DN2Xd15856@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > restarted X, and it came back. So the problem is almost definitely with > metacity. Also, the build date for the new version (Sept. 4) suggests that > the problem started the first time I restarted X after downloading this > package. I filed this in bugzilla (#104373). Finally duplicated it - most of the time its ok for me. Its metacity or libwnck ok From jdow at earthlink.net Sat Sep 13 23:03:59 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:03:59 -0700 Subject: ipchains: incompatible with this kernel ?? References: <20030913150537.94158.qmail@web14409.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <098401c37a4b$50f03040$2eedfea9@kittycat> Do NOT use IPChains. They were "compatable" but were really an emulation run on top of IPTables. The emulation is "pretty poor", IMAO. You are far better off biting the bullet and adopting IPTables. I have not looked back since doing so. They really are much nicer. {^_^} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Robert Proctor Jr." > i have upgraded my system from rh9 to rh9.0.93 and having problems with ipchians: i get this error when i try to do a insert "ipchains: protocol not available". > when i do "service ipchains status" i get the error "ipchains: incompatible with this kernel". From olafura at hi.is Sun Sep 14 02:30:57 2003 From: olafura at hi.is (Olafur Arason) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:30:57 +0000 Subject: Constant crashes Message-ID: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've been experiencing constant crashes since I installed severn. This is both with and without running Xfree86. This is not because of a memory leak, because at one time I watched the memory usage and cpu usage when it happend. I don't know what it is because it's totally random. And I installed the kernel from 9 which had not given me any problem before and it still was happening. If there is any way to find out why this is happening and currect it any advice would be appreciated. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Sep 14 03:07:52 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:07:52 +0200 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063508872.29610.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 04:30, Olafur Arason wrote: > I've been experiencing constant crashes since I installed severn. This > is both with and without running Xfree86. This is not because of a > memory leak, because at one time I watched the memory usage and cpu > usage when it happend. I don't know what it is because it's totally > random. And I installed the kernel from 9 which had not given me any > problem before and it still was happening. If there is any way to find > out why this is happening and currect it any advice would be > appreciated. > Before investigating try the latest rawhide kernel : http://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From olafura at hi.is Sun Sep 14 04:26:16 2003 From: olafura at hi.is (Olafur Arason) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:26:16 +0000 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <1063508872.29610.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063508872.29610.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063513575.2342.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I downloaded the rpm and used it and it crashed when watching xine. About 20 min after I booted. On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 03:07, F??liciano Matias wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 04:30, Olafur Arason wrote: > > I've been experiencing constant crashes since I installed severn. This > > is both with and without running Xfree86. This is not because of a > > memory leak, because at one time I watched the memory usage and cpu > > usage when it happend. I don't know what it is because it's totally > > random. And I installed the kernel from 9 which had not given me any > > problem before and it still was happening. If there is any way to find > > out why this is happening and currect it any advice would be > > appreciated. > > > > Before investigating try the latest rawhide kernel : > http://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ From m0par at cox.net Sun Sep 14 05:56:15 2003 From: m0par at cox.net (KSC) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:56:15 -0500 Subject: Time weirdness... Message-ID: <20030914005615.4e834431.m0par@cox.net> I'm running severn+updates on an athlon-smp system. When in X, frequently the on-screen clock's seconds will bounce back and forth, double clicks will fail to be read, and in X terminal windows a single keypress will result in anywhere from 1 to around 10 repeats. Other things also act crazy, like the xscreensaver login-after-locking screen will timeout almost immediately, not allowing any logins until the system stabilizes. The weirdness will occur for a few minutes then things seem to stabilize, only to revert to the abnormal behavior at seemingly random intervals. It happens regardless whether I am running GNOME or WindowMaker alone (the latter having been just compiled from non-RH sources). I compiled a vanilla 2.4.22 kernel which also exhibits the same behavior. Anyone else seeing similar problems? Closest thing I found on bugzilla was #100691, since I too am running a Tiger MPX board, but I'm not sure the problems are related. I have experienced app lockups with programs using v4l(gspy and motion) but haven't run into any oopses. (I haven't tried running in UP mode yet, which the person filing the bug report mentioned above claimed fixed the problem in their case.) Any ideas on what I should check or try to attempt to isolate the problem? I will be trying the UP kernel to see what happens. Sorry for my ignorance, but thanks for any help... ksc From mharris at redhat.com Sun Sep 14 06:58:11 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 02:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Andre Robatino wrote: > Starting with the XFree86-4.3.0-25 updates, there is an annoying bug that >affects dragging windows. Often, when I click on a window menu bar to drag >it, it won't move. When I click on it again, then it will move. If I click >on the menu bar once and it doesn't move, if I move the mouse pointer >somewhere else and click again, the window suddenly jumps to the new >location. > I tried downgrading to the 4.3.0-24 packages and the problem persisted. >The newer 4.3.0-29 packages haven't helped either. Could the original >Xfree86-4.3.0-25 packages have caused some configuration change that has to >be fixed manually? > >I don't know much about the internals of X Windows so I'm not >sure what package to file a bug report under. (XFree86 or one of the >associated XFree86 packages?) This most likely has nothing to do with XFree86 or any change in XFree86. If you install 4.3.0-2 from RHL 9 you will likely encounter the same problem. It's more likely to be a window manager bug or other problem outside of the X11 realm. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Sun Sep 14 07:00:45 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: <1063474612.8339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1063474612.8339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, [ISO-8859-1] F?liciano Matias wrote: >> Starting with the XFree86-4.3.0-25 updates, there is an annoying bug that >> affects dragging windows. Often, when I click on a window menu bar to drag >> it, it won't move. When I click on it again, then it will move. If I click >> on the menu bar once and it doesn't move, if I move the mouse pointer >> somewhere else and click again, the window suddenly jumps to the new >> location. >> I tried downgrading to the 4.3.0-24 packages and the problem persisted. >> The newer 4.3.0-29 packages haven't helped either. Could the original >> Xfree86-4.3.0-25 packages have caused some configuration change that has to >> be fixed manually? >> >> I don't know much about the internals of X Windows so I'm not >> sure what package to file a bug report under. (XFree86 or one of the >> associated XFree86 packages?) >> > >I confirm the bug with metacity and XFree86-4.3.0-29. >icewm and XFree86-4.3.0-29 is OK. >Use package XFree86. Definitely don't use XFree86, as it is unlikely to be an XFree86 bug/problem. The window manager is what handles window management. If you're using metacity, then file a bug against metacity. Downgrade metacity to an older release and I'll bet money that the problem disappears. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Sep 14 07:56:29 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:56:29 +0200 Subject: X Windows problem In-Reply-To: References: <200309131616.h8DGGrq00805@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <1063474612.8339.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063526189.29610.158.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 09:00, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, [ISO-8859-1] Fliciano Matias wrote: > > >> I don't know much about the internals of X Windows so I'm not > >> sure what package to file a bug report under. (XFree86 or one of the > >> associated XFree86 packages?) > >> > > > >I confirm the bug with metacity and XFree86-4.3.0-29. > >icewm and XFree86-4.3.0-29 is OK. > >Use package XFree86. > > Definitely don't use XFree86, as it is unlikely to be an XFree86 > bug/problem. I had replied to "XFree86 or one of the associated XFree86 packages?" and not saying it's a XFree86 bug. Sorry for the confusion. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thiago at jampanight.com.br Sun Sep 14 13:45:17 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:45:17 -0300 Subject: Using dead keys on Severn doesn't work Message-ID: <1063547117.5596.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi folks, I dont know why, but my dead keys used on the Portuguese language just doesnt work on my Severn with all latest beta updates. When I send an email or a instant message, the dead keys shows properly on my side, but the guy who receives the messages, gets strange and unreadeble text. How can I fix this? Regards, Thiago From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 14 14:10:05 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> from "Olafur Arason" at Med 14, 2003 02:30:57 Message-ID: <200309141410.h8EEA5V30997@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > random. And I installed the kernel from 9 which had not given me any > problem before and it still was happening. If there is any way to find > out why this is happening and currect it any advice would be > appreciated. The two big components that can cause crashes tend to be the kernel and XFree86. You sy yo've switched the kernel back so the next experiment I'd do is to disable any 3D stuff in the /etc/X11/XF86Config in case its something 3D related and screensavers triggering hangs. From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 14:40:13 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:40:13 -0400 Subject: why mpeg turned off in gstreamer-plugins? Message-ID: I see the gstreamer-plugins rpm doesn't have mpeg. Is this because of licensing concerns? Conflicts? sean _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From steve at rueb.com Sun Sep 14 14:41:06 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:41:06 -0500 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <200309141410.h8EEA5V30997@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309141410.h8EEA5V30997@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063550466.4515.2404.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> But he says it happens without XFree86 running. Even though he said it happened after installing the beta, I keep thinking it may still be a hardware issue. In fact the very same thing happened to me when I installed severn. I had kicked the fan speed on my processor to a lower setting (no, I'm not overclocking) and thought severn was the biggest POS I'd ever tried to use. Constant random crashes. Then I remembered, and kicked the fan speed back up. Now it's rock solid. On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 09:10, Alan Cox wrote: > > random. And I installed the kernel from 9 which had not given me any > > problem before and it still was happening. If there is any way to find > > out why this is happening and currect it any advice would be > > appreciated. > > The two big components that can cause crashes tend to be the kernel and > XFree86. You sy yo've switched the kernel back so the next experiment I'd > do is to disable any 3D stuff in the /etc/X11/XF86Config in case its > something 3D related and screensavers triggering hangs. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 14 16:21:17 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:21:17 -0400 Subject: up2date beta (was - Re: faq? rawhide) In-Reply-To: <1063486336.8719.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063437120.2867.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309131611.43553.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063486336.8719.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309141221.17339.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 13, 2003 04:52 pm, F?liciano Matias F?liciano Matias wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 22:11, Elton Woo wrote: > > Error Message: > > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > > (release='20030913', arch='athlon-redhat-linux') > > Install redhat-release-9.0.93-4 (or 9.0.93-1 from severn CD) and not > redhat-release package from rawhide. That does it! I *didn't* have redhat-release installed, now when I run up2date, I see both the severn and severn-updates channels listed. Thanks! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 14 16:33:53 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:33:53 -0400 Subject: keyboard oddity (was Re: Time weirdness... In-Reply-To: <20030914005615.4e834431.m0par@cox.net> References: <20030914005615.4e834431.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: <200309141233.53222.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 14, 2003 01:56 am, KSC KSC wrote: > , and in X terminal windows a > single keypress will result in anywhere from 1 to around 10 repeats. I seem to find this happening on my system as well. I didn't dare to mention it before, thinking the "bug" might be the two-legged creature sitting at the keyboard... I'm also using severn + updates, and for example, if in a console I type "su -" I might sometimes see "su --------" instead, as just happened just a few minutes ago. I have the latest ATHLON kernel from rawhide installed, and this is not a new machine. Some hardware specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.0 Gb. ASUS ATX A7V-E (KT133 chipset). "no-name" cheapo US keyboard. I wonder if anyone else besides (just the two of us) has noticed this odd behavoir with keying in the console? Elton. "one more day before Sep 15".... -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 14 17:26:05 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:26:05 -0400 Subject: why mpeg turned off in gstreamer-plugins? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309141326.06137.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 14, 2003 10:40 am, sean darcy sean darcy wrote: > I see the gstreamer-plugins rpm doesn't have mpeg. Is this because of > licensing concerns? Conflicts? > > sean See the shrike-list and rh-beta list archives for "mpeg", "mp3", "open source" and "Thompson". HTH and cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From yinyang at eburg.com Sun Sep 14 17:36:18 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:36:18 -0700 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F64A712.10808@eburg.com> Olafur Arason wrote: > I've been experiencing constant crashes since I installed severn. That's kinda vague. Could you be more specific about what is "crashing" and how? Is this a kernel oops? Does the machine spontaneously reboot? Do you get any error messages? From olafura at hi.is Sun Sep 14 18:29:05 2003 From: olafura at hi.is (Olafur Arason) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:29:05 +0000 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <3F64A712.10808@eburg.com> References: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F64A712.10808@eburg.com> Message-ID: <1063564144.2364.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> My laptop doesn't reboot it just dies. I cant ctrl-alt-del or ctrl-Sys_Req or any thing. There are no blinking lights on the keyboard. I have to hold down the button to reboot the computer. Everything about this got me leaning toward a hardware failure, but this only happened after I installed severn. Could this be something releated to acpi. Because I have to use acpi=off to boot the machine. On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 17:36, Gordon Messmer wrote: > Olafur Arason wrote: > > I've been experiencing constant crashes since I installed severn. > > That's kinda vague. Could you be more specific about what is "crashing" > and how? Is this a kernel oops? Does the machine spontaneously reboot? > Do you get any error messages? > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From ckloiber at redhat.com Sun Sep 14 18:46:36 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:46:36 -0400 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <20030913112133.30758a39.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1063406984.22200.62.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> <20030913112133.30758a39.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F64B78C.3000101@redhat.com> Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:49:44 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: > > >>On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 06:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> >>> is there a reason for bugzilla to have "Product" entries for >>>both "Red Hat Linux Beta" and "Red Hat Public Beta"? are these >>>really distinct products? >> >>You can see "Red Hat Linux Beta"? That is (was) where we would put bugs >>against the non-public betas that existed internally before the >>"project" was launched. I was unaware the public could see that now. > > > ??? > > This is the place where bugs in Severn have been filed since its > release. > > Directly copied from: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi?action=second > > "Red Hat Linux Beta: For bugs about the Severn release of Red Hat > Linux Project, please choose Beta1 as the version and i386 as the > platform." > For a moment I though I had lost a cog. Apparently bugzilla is being worked on, as "Red Hat Public Beta" is now gone from my bugzilla entry forms. So I've decided that I was right, and so is Michael. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Sep 14 18:51:44 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: <3F64B78C.3000101@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Chris Kloiber wrote: > For a moment I though I had lost a cog. Apparently bugzilla is being > worked on, as "Red Hat Public Beta" is now gone from my bugzilla entry > forms. So I've decided that I was right, and so is Michael. i think we've already established that, while "red hat public beta" is gone from the bug *entry* list, it's still visible in the query *product* list. r "refusing to let this issue die with dignity" day From yinyang at eburg.com Sun Sep 14 19:06:25 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:06:25 -0700 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <1063564144.2364.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F64A712.10808@eburg.com> <1063564144.2364.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F64BC31.9000009@eburg.com> Olafur Arason wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 17:36, Gordon Messmer wrote: > >> Olafur Arason wrote: >> >>> I've been experiencing constant crashes since I installed severn. >>> >> >> That's kinda vague. Could you be more specific about what is >> "crashing" and how? Is this a kernel oops? Does the machine >> spontaneously reboot? Do you get any error messages? >> > > My laptop doesn't reboot it just dies. I cant ctrl-alt-del or > ctrl-Sys_Req or any thing. There are no blinking lights on the > keyboard. I have to hold down the button to reboot the computer. So you're saying that it locks up, and that it does so both when you're running X and when you're not (can we assume runlevel 3, then?), and that the problem occurs both when you're running Severn kernels, and the previously stable Shrike kernel? If so, it sounds like your laptop may be overheating, or have other hardware issues. I suggest that you use some of the lm_sensors software to monitor the temperature of your laptop to see how hot it's getting. Perhaps locate and run memtest86 for several hours (I usually run it overnight). You might also want to go back to Shrike entirely and see if the problem goes away if neither of those things gives you any clues. > Everything about this got me leaning toward a hardware failure, but > this only happened after I installed severn. Could this be something > releated to acpi. Because I have to use acpi=off to boot the machine. It could be, but probably isn't if the problem happens when you're using Shrike's kernel. From roncordell at comcast.net Sun Sep 14 19:17:31 2003 From: roncordell at comcast.net (Ron Cordell) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:17:31 -0400 Subject: Severn installation failure Message-ID: <200309141517.31719.roncordell@comcast.net> Hi all, I attempted to install RH 9.0.93 (Severn) on a machine here today, but the installation failed almost at the end of installing the files. The error message was that the installer had encountered a critical failure and could not proceed, forcing me to reboot. I have attempted to re-run the installation, but Anaconda refuses to run at all, giving me a fatal error message, then terminating. I have removed the partitions created during the first installation, but still Anaconda crashes and burns. Is there anything else that I could change or fix to remedy this problem? I have other OSes loaded on this box, but I was installing to a separate hard drive, so I am able to boot another Linux instance and manipulate the HD. Also, the severn beta CD boots OK, but Anaconda dies. Thanks for any hints, -ronc From alan at clueserver.org Sun Sep 14 19:27:48 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 14 Sep 2003 12:27:48 -0700 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <200309141410.h8EEA5V30997@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309141410.h8EEA5V30997@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063567668.1794.3.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 07:10, Alan Cox wrote: > > random. And I installed the kernel from 9 which had not given me any > > problem before and it still was happening. If there is any way to find > > out why this is happening and currect it any advice would be > > appreciated. > > The two big components that can cause crashes tend to be the kernel and > XFree86. You sy yo've switched the kernel back so the next experiment I'd > do is to disable any 3D stuff in the /etc/X11/XF86Config in case its > something 3D related and screensavers triggering hangs. The first thing i tend to recommend on this sort of crashing problem is to check to see if the memory has developed problems. It may not be the problem, but it is better to find up front than to spend weeks trying to fix the unfixable. http://www.memtest86.com/ is the best on I know of. It is free and fits on a floppy and/or bootable cd-rom. -- Alan From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 14 19:28:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:28:29 -0400 Subject: Severn installation failure In-Reply-To: <200309141517.31719.roncordell@comcast.net> References: <200309141517.31719.roncordell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200309141528.29236.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 14, 2003 03:17 pm, Ron Cordell Ron Cordell wrote: > Hi all, > > I attempted to install RH 9.0.93 (Severn) on a machine here today, but the > installation failed almost at the end of installing the files. The error > message was that the installer had encountered a critical failure and could > not proceed, forcing me to reboot. > have other OSes loaded on this box, but I was installing to a separate hard > drive, so I am able to boot another Linux instance and manipulate the HD. > Also, the severn beta CD boots OK, but Anaconda dies. ... just wondering: after downloading, did you run md5sums against the iso images *before* burning the CD's? ... is there sufficcient room on the hd (*INCLUDING* space for temp files)? (The readme on Disk 1 will give you the requirements for disk space). When you boot with Disk 1 does it get as far as where you can select to verify the media, and, if so, have you done this? HTH... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From alan at clueserver.org Sun Sep 14 19:37:33 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: 14 Sep 2003 12:37:33 -0700 Subject: Installing Severn on a Sony 505VE laptop - broken? In-Reply-To: <200309122125.h8CLPBU23876@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309122125.h8CLPBU23876@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063568253.1794.12.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 14:25, Alan Cox wrote: > > I have noticed a problem with performance. Linux used to have a reputation > > for performance; I can see this clearly in services like DHCP, DNS, and > > untill recently apache (Win2003 IIS is faster). But on the desktop I have > > experienced the oposite: > > Apache has never been a speed demon - its very flexible instead. For speed > try thttpd - especially on a low end box. I've seen thttpd on a Macintosh II > survive a slashdotting Also remember that Apache 1.3.x is a different code base than Apache 2.0.x. I am not quite comfortable with 2.0.x yet. Maybe I just need to work with it more. > > 1. Bootup time: Windows 98, ME and XP boot up in almost half the > > time. Timings are more or less the same with Win2000. > > Yep There is also a lot more that goes on a a boot of Linux. There tend to be more services started than in a Windows box. (At least on mine.) > > on a dell Lattitude, RAM:128, CPU:333MHZ, Disk:10GIG; > > RHL is usable but verry slow (even after running hdparm). The end > > Gnome/KDE is a bit fat - 2.4 is better but I'm not happy with its 128Mb > performance. If you want to get involved in profiling and tuning that > the gnome project itself is the best base point. 2.4 is faster than 2.2 > for me and there are people benching. On the Dell, check to see if X is eating up lots of CPU. If it is, turn off acpi. (On the kernel load line in /etc/grub.conf add "acpi=off".) If the machine does not do acpi and the acpi support is active, X tends to eat a great deal of CPU and things are SLLLOOOWWW. I had to do that on my Sony Vaio 505VE. > Alternatively swap Gnome/KDE/Evolution for Xfce/ROX/Sylpheed and your > desktop will suddenely be blindly fast but a little less featured. > I use the Xfce/ROX/Sylpheed setup on 32 and 64Mb boxes and its fast > on both. > > > So the question follows, ofcource: hos do you report this type of > > information and is any one at RH working on performance? > > The oprofile tools will let you get a lot of info, vmstat 5 will let > you watch the rate of disk I/O and tools like strace can identify delays > and syscall waits. Its a kind of forensics at time but a lot of fun I need to do that for some other bugs. (On Redhat 9 I have seen XScreensaver go into an infinite timer wait loop. I have been trying to track down why.) -- Alan From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sun Sep 14 19:48:12 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Severn installation failure In-Reply-To: <200309141528.29236.elwoo@videotron.ca> from "Elton Woo" at Sep 14, 2003 03:28:29 PM Message-ID: <200309141948.h8EJmCL08351@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > On September 14, 2003 03:17 pm, Ron Cordell Ron Cordell > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I attempted to install RH 9.0.93 (Severn) on a machine here today, but the > > installation failed almost at the end of installing the files. The error > > message was that the installer had encountered a critical failure and could > > not proceed, forcing me to reboot. > > > have other OSes loaded on this box, but I was installing to a separate hard > > drive, so I am able to boot another Linux instance and manipulate the HD. > > Also, the severn beta CD boots OK, but Anaconda dies. > ... just wondering: after downloading, did you run md5sums against the iso > images *before* burning the CD's? > ... is there sufficcient room on the hd (*INCLUDING* space for temp files)? > (The readme on Disk 1 will give you the requirements for disk space). > When you boot with Disk 1 does it get as far as where you can select to > verify the media, and, if so, have you done this? > > HTH... > > Elton ;-) If trying to detect just corruption as opposed to tampering, I think doing the mediacheck on the CDs is enough. It should be done anyway in case the burn itself is bad. In fact, when upgrading to RH 9, I used cheap Memorex CDs, and as it turns out they start accumulating errors within 15 hours. So I did the mediacheck before installing, and it was OK, but during the upgrade I had to restart twice due to errors reading packages. (Fortunately, each time the upgrade was able to resume where it left off.) It turned out that the CDs were going bad _during_ the upgrade (which took 3 hours on my slow machine). So try the mediacheck again just to be sure. From jbinpg at shaw.ca Sun Sep 14 19:52:24 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:52:24 -0700 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <1063564144.2364.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F64A712.10808@eburg.com> <1063564144.2364.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <0HL700K3QZ7I8C@l-daemon> ** Reply to message from Olafur Arason on Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:29:05 +0000 > My laptop doesn't reboot it just dies. I cant ctrl-alt-del or > ctrl-Sys_Req or any thing. There are no blinking lights on the keyboard. > I have to hold down the button to reboot the computer. Everything about > this got me leaning toward a hardware failure, but this only happened > after I installed severn. Could this be something releated to acpi. > Because I have to use acpi=off to boot the machine. You may want to leave it in runlevel 3 and do a: tail -f /var/log/messages to see if you have any clues from the kernel before it crashes. jb From olafura at hi.is Sun Sep 14 21:50:13 2003 From: olafura at hi.is (Olafur Arason) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:50:13 +0000 Subject: Constant crashes In-Reply-To: <3F64BC31.9000009@eburg.com> References: <1063506656.2434.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F64A712.10808@eburg.com> <1063564144.2364.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F64BC31.9000009@eburg.com> Message-ID: <1063576212.2298.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I tried lm_sensors and this is the result: adm1021-i2c-0-4e Adapter: SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 4070 Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter Board: +53??C (min = +20??C, max = +60??C) CPU: +56??C (min = +20??C, max = +60??C) die_code: 5 I'm not overclocking the cpu or nothing like that. On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 19:06, Gordon Messmer wrote: > Olafur Arason wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 17:36, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > > >> Olafur Arason wrote: > >> > >>> I've been experiencing constant crashes since I installed severn. > >>> > >> > >> That's kinda vague. Could you be more specific about what is > >> "crashing" and how? Is this a kernel oops? Does the machine > >> spontaneously reboot? Do you get any error messages? > >> > > > > My laptop doesn't reboot it just dies. I cant ctrl-alt-del or > > ctrl-Sys_Req or any thing. There are no blinking lights on the > > keyboard. I have to hold down the button to reboot the computer. > > So you're saying that it locks up, and that it does so both when you're > running X and when you're not (can we assume runlevel 3, then?), and > that the problem occurs both when you're running Severn kernels, and the > previously stable Shrike kernel? > > If so, it sounds like your laptop may be overheating, or have other > hardware issues. I suggest that you use some of the lm_sensors software > to monitor the temperature of your laptop to see how hot it's getting. > Perhaps locate and run memtest86 for several hours (I usually run it > overnight). You might also want to go back to Shrike entirely and see > if the problem goes away if neither of those things gives you any clues. > > > Everything about this got me leaning toward a hardware failure, but > > this only happened after I installed severn. Could this be something > > releated to acpi. Because I have to use acpi=off to boot the machine. > > It could be, but probably isn't if the problem happens when you're using > Shrike's kernel. > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Sep 14 23:42:36 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:42:36 +0200 Subject: speex Message-ID: <1063582956.17750.234.camel@localhost.localdomain> speex "a free codec for free speech" : http://www.speex.org/ ---------------------------------------- Overview Speex is an Open Source/Free Software patent-free audio compression format designed for speech. The Speex Project aims to lower the barrier of entry for voice applications by providing a free alternative to expensive proprietary speech codecs. Moreover, Speex is well-adapted to Internet applications and provides useful features that are not present in most other codecs. Finally, Speex is part of the GNU Project and is available under the Xiph.org variant of the BSD license. ---------------------------------------- LICENSE : http://www.xiph.org/licenses/bsd/speex/ RedHat should promote this standard. But it seems too late for Cambridge. I will file a RFE for Cambridge++ . Require libogg. freshrpms package for RH9 : http://shrike.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=907 -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks...Terry From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 04:07:49 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:07:49 -0400 Subject: XMMS 1.2.8 ... realy was that necessary ? In-Reply-To: ; from warlock_ba@hotmail.com on Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 02:04:56AM +0300 References: Message-ID: <20030915000749.A26096@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Botoaca Andrei (warlock_ba at hotmail.com) said: > Ok. I get it ... updates ... yes ... no harm, I know it's a beta ... but > couldn't you at least test a bit the software ... Been running it for multiple days. :) > functions ... try resizing the playlist ... IT DOES NOT WORK! Xmms goes all > crappy about it ... Hm, it acts a little odd, but it does resize for me. What WM are you using? Bill From warren at togami.com Mon Sep 15 08:14:46 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:14:46 -1000 Subject: HOWTO Lockdown Mozilla Prefs for LTSP v0.1 Message-ID: <1063613686.7441.34.camel@laptop> http://togami.com/~warren/guides/mozlockdown/ Hi folks. I wrote this short HOWTO about locking down your Mozilla preferences system-wide with simple default settings to make the browsing experience less confusing for users of a K12LTSP desktop. Please reply with comments or questions. These directions are very specific to K12LTSP-type networks, but could be useful for other networks too. Warren Togami warren at togami.com From alexl at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 09:45:46 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 15 Sep 2003 11:45:46 +0200 Subject: speex In-Reply-To: <1063582956.17750.234.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063582956.17750.234.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063619145.7880.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 01:42, F?liciano Matias wrote: > speex "a free codec for free speech" : > http://www.speex.org/ > ---------------------------------------- > Overview > Speex is an Open Source/Free Software patent-free audio compression > format designed for speech. The Speex Project aims to lower the barrier > of entry for voice applications by providing a free alternative to > expensive proprietary speech codecs. Moreover, Speex is well-adapted to > Internet applications and provides useful features that are not present > in most other codecs. Finally, Speex is part of the GNU Project and is > available under the Xiph.org variant of the BSD license. > ---------------------------------------- > > LICENSE : http://www.xiph.org/licenses/bsd/speex/ > > RedHat should promote this standard. But it seems too late for > Cambridge. I will file a RFE for Cambridge++ . > Require libogg. > freshrpms package for RH9 : > http://shrike.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=907 Speex is supported by openh323, and therefore also GnomeMeeting. Just try it. :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a fast talking day-dreaming gentleman spy from the 'hood. She's a high-kicking motormouth mechanic from a secret island of warrior women. They fight crime! From thiago at jampanight.com.br Mon Sep 15 11:16:48 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:16:48 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn Message-ID: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi folks, I dont know why, but my dead keys used on the Portuguese language just doesnt work on my Severn with all latest beta updates. When I send an email or a instant message, the dead keys shows properly on my side, but the guy who receives the messages, gets strange and unreadeble text. How can I fix this? Regards, Thiago From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 11:42:08 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:42:08 +0300 Subject: XMMS 1.2.8 ... realy was that necessary ? Message-ID: KDE, and I saw many posts on their bug reports page (and yes, it does work, but it gets only smaller, and like it sticks to the mouse ...) >From: Bill Nottingham >Reply-To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Subject: Re: XMMS 1.2.8 ... realy was that necessary ? >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:07:49 -0400 > >Botoaca Andrei (warlock_ba at hotmail.com) said: > > Ok. I get it ... updates ... yes ... no harm, I know it's a beta ... but > > couldn't you at least test a bit the software ... > >Been running it for multiple days. :) > > > functions ... try resizing the playlist ... IT DOES NOT WORK! Xmms goes >all > > crappy about it ... > >Hm, it acts a little odd, but it does resize for me. What WM are >you using? > >Bill > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 11:58:44 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:58:44 -0400 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 07:16, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Hi folks, > > I dont know why, but my dead keys used on the Portuguese language just > doesnt work on my Severn with all latest beta updates. > > When I send an email or a instant message, the dead keys shows properly > on my side, but the guy who receives the messages, gets strange and > unreadeble text. Please be much more explicit here: - What programs are you using - What key sequences do you type? - What characters do you get (why not include them in your email) Thanks, Owen From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Sep 15 12:12:53 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:12:53 +0200 Subject: speex In-Reply-To: <1063619145.7880.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063582956.17750.234.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063619145.7880.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063627971.19225.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:45, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 01:42, F?liciano Matias wrote: > > speex "a free codec for free speech" : > > http://www.speex.org/ > > ---------------------------------------- > > Overview > > Speex is an Open Source/Free Software patent-free audio compression > > format designed for speech. The Speex Project aims to lower the barrier > > of entry for voice applications by providing a free alternative to > > expensive proprietary speech codecs. Moreover, Speex is well-adapted to > > Internet applications and provides useful features that are not present > > in most other codecs. Finally, Speex is part of the GNU Project and is > > available under the Xiph.org variant of the BSD license. > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > LICENSE : http://www.xiph.org/licenses/bsd/speex/ > > > > RedHat should promote this standard. But it seems too late for > > Cambridge. I will file a RFE for Cambridge++ . > > Require libogg. > > freshrpms package for RH9 : > > http://shrike.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=907 > > Speex is supported by openh323, and therefore also GnomeMeeting. Just > try it. :) > Good. How can i use GnomeMeeting to create or read speex files ? :-) > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se > He's a fast talking day-dreaming gentleman spy from the 'hood. She's a > high-kicking motormouth mechanic from a secret island of warrior women. They > fight crime! > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thiago at jampanight.com.br Mon Sep 15 13:02:32 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:02:32 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 08:58, Owen Taylor escreveu: > > When I send an email or a instant message, the dead keys shows properly > > on my side, but the guy who receives the messages, gets strange and > > unreadeble text. > > Please be much more explicit here: > > - What programs are you using > - What key sequences do you type? > - What characters do you get (why not include them in your email) Owen, I get this problem when using Evolution or Kopete. The simple work N?O (that means NO) returns the following for the people who gets the message: =?ISO-8859-1?B?SlVESUNJQUwgLSBOww==?= Thiago From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 14:18:34 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:18:34 -0400 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:02, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 08:58, Owen Taylor escreveu: > > > When I send an email or a instant message, the dead keys shows properly > > > on my side, but the guy who receives the messages, gets strange and > > > unreadeble text. > > > > Please be much more explicit here: > > > > - What programs are you using > > - What key sequences do you type? > > - What characters do you get (why not include them in your email) > > Owen, I get this problem when using Evolution or Kopete. > The simple work N?O (that means NO) returns the following for the people > who gets the message: > =?ISO-8859-1?B?SlVESUNJQUwgLSBOww==?= N?0 came through fine here, as did your From: line - I can't decipher encoded headers in my head, but maybe the mailer of the people getting the mail just isn't standards compliant? What mailer are they using? If you send mail to yourself, can you read it? Regards, Owen From thiago at jampanight.com.br Mon Sep 15 14:36:39 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:36:39 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 11:18, Owen Taylor escreveu: > > Owen, I get this problem when using Evolution or Kopete. > > The simple work N?O (that means NO) returns the following for the people > > who gets the message: > > =?ISO-8859-1?B?SlVESUNJQUwgLSBOww==?= > > N?0 came through fine here, as did your From: line - I can't decipher > encoded headers in my head, but maybe the mailer of the people getting > the mail just isn't standards compliant? What mailer are they using? > If you send mail to yourself, can you read it? When I send mail to myself, I can read it properly. But people using Outlook Express and ICQ see a mess. What's the proper configuration for /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use the br-abnt2 keyboard layout and use dead keys? Thiago From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 15 15:19:28 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:19:28 -0400 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux Message-ID: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?ProductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From garrett at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 15:28:16 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:28:16 -0400 Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <3F62F449.3020203@tuins.ac.jp> References: <200309130712.h8D7Cbo28402@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F62F449.3020203@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F65DA90.8000901@redhat.com> rg wrote: > P.S. Is the beta's flower wallpaper going to be in the final? I like > that better than the blue back - seems so cheerful and inviting. I am planning on including a non-beta version (which would not have the watermark) in the final, but not as the default. It will probably wind up living in the desktop-backgrounds-extra RPM. Garrett From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Sep 15 15:31:37 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:31:37 -0600 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063639897.28293.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I think this is the drive I just bought for my dad's new computer. He's running Red Hat 9 on it. No issues with it so far, but he has only been using the system since last Friday. I'm meeting with him later today to get him up to speed on burning CDs. If thereare any issues (which I doubt there will be) I will post here. Cheers, Chris On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:19, Elton Woo wrote: > Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?ProductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 > > Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? > > TIA, > > Elton ;-) -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 15:40:57 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Sep 2003 12:40:57 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > When I send mail to myself, I can read it properly. Please send such e-mail (with accents in the subject) to me, I'd like to see how it looks like. Odds are that Outlook Express doesn't adhere to the MIME specs. > But people using Outlook Express and ICQ see a mess. ICQ, I could understand. Odds are that its wire protocol isn't UTF-8 (or it doesn't even specify the encoding), which implies both ends must choose the same encoding to have any hope of taking something sensible. And then, if you want to talk to more than one person, and they use different encodings, you're in trouble. > What's the proper configuration for /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use the > br-abnt2 keyboard layout and use dead keys? Keyboard layout and dead keys have nothing to do with the problem, if I understand it correctly. It has to do with representation of non-ASCII characters. In /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the default encoding to iso-8859-1 from UTF-8 by modifying LANG, and even though this will give you compatibility with those using iso-8859-1, it will break compatibility with those using UTF-8. There's no good solution before everybody agrees on a standard encoding. GOTO EBCDIC2ASCII :-) -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 15:41:02 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:41:02 -0400 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063640462.18549.47.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 10:36, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 11:18, Owen Taylor escreveu: > > > Owen, I get this problem when using Evolution or Kopete. > > > The simple work N?O (that means NO) returns the following for the people > > > who gets the message: > > > =?ISO-8859-1?B?SlVESUNJQUwgLSBOww==?= > > > > N?0 came through fine here, as did your From: line - I can't decipher > > encoded headers in my head, but maybe the mailer of the people getting > > the mail just isn't standards compliant? What mailer are they using? > > If you send mail to yourself, can you read it? > > When I send mail to myself, I can read it properly. But people using > Outlook Express and ICQ see a mess. What's the proper configuration for > /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use the br-abnt2 keyboard layout and use dead > keys? This has nothing to do with input ... if you see it correctly yourself, then it's been input correctly. The question is - why isn't it displaying correctly in Output Express? That's very strange to me. You might want to file a bug in bugzilla.ximian.com, including literal copies of: - The mail that evolution sends that Outlook Express can't decipher - A mail sent with a different mailer with the same content that Outlook Express reads correctly. For ICQ -- it's likely simply a bug in licq (or whatever you are using); likely it doesn't properly handle convering from UTF-8 to the correct windows codepage that the other end is expecting. Regards, Owen From thiago at jampanight.com.br Mon Sep 15 15:51:28 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:51:28 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22N=C3O?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_INFORMA=C7=C3O?= (just a test)" In-Reply-To: References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063641087.7602.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ok. I'm going to send you a few words with dead keys, and you check it on Outlook. mat?ria, gr?ficos, bot?es, op??o, conte?do It appears lile: mat??ria, gr??ficos, bot??es, op????o, conte??do I'm using latest Evolution fromr awhide, and Kopete 0.7.1 for instant messaging. Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 12:40, Alexandre Oliva escreveu: > On Sep 15, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > When I send mail to myself, I can read it properly. > > Please send such e-mail (with accents in the subject) to me, I'd like > to see how it looks like. Odds are that Outlook Express doesn't > adhere to the MIME specs. > > > But people using Outlook Express and ICQ see a mess. > > ICQ, I could understand. Odds are that its wire protocol isn't UTF-8 > (or it doesn't even specify the encoding), which implies both ends > must choose the same encoding to have any hope of taking something > sensible. And then, if you want to talk to more than one person, and > they use different encodings, you're in trouble. > > > What's the proper configuration for /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use the > > br-abnt2 keyboard layout and use dead keys? > > Keyboard layout and dead keys have nothing to do with the problem, if > I understand it correctly. It has to do with representation of > non-ASCII characters. In /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the > default encoding to iso-8859-1 from UTF-8 by modifying LANG, and even > though this will give you compatibility with those using iso-8859-1, > it will break compatibility with those using UTF-8. There's no good > solution before everybody agrees on a standard encoding. GOTO > EBCDIC2ASCII :-) From thiago at jampanight.com.br Mon Sep 15 16:39:25 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:39:25 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063643965.7645.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> What about the SYSFONT parameter? What shoud I put? Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 12:40, Alexandre Oliva escreveu: > On Sep 15, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > When I send mail to myself, I can read it properly. > > Please send such e-mail (with accents in the subject) to me, I'd like > to see how it looks like. Odds are that Outlook Express doesn't > adhere to the MIME specs. > > > But people using Outlook Express and ICQ see a mess. > > ICQ, I could understand. Odds are that its wire protocol isn't UTF-8 > (or it doesn't even specify the encoding), which implies both ends > must choose the same encoding to have any hope of taking something > sensible. And then, if you want to talk to more than one person, and > they use different encodings, you're in trouble. > > > What's the proper configuration for /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use the > > br-abnt2 keyboard layout and use dead keys? > > Keyboard layout and dead keys have nothing to do with the problem, if > I understand it correctly. It has to do with representation of > non-ASCII characters. In /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the > default encoding to iso-8859-1 from UTF-8 by modifying LANG, and even > though this will give you compatibility with those using iso-8859-1, > it will break compatibility with those using UTF-8. There's no good > solution before everybody agrees on a standard encoding. GOTO > EBCDIC2ASCII :-) From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Mon Sep 15 16:52:44 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:52:44 -0700 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F65EE5C.6000908@intel.com> Elton Woo wrote: > Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?ProductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 > > Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? I haven't used this particular model, but I have been using the DRU-500A for quite a few months. I just got the latest xcdroast and followed the directions there for getting ProDVD to work with it. Originally I had a problem with a few brands of DVD-R/RW, but they released new firmware for it (although I had to install the firmware in Windows--ACK!), and now all of my media work with the drive. Forrest -- From VANCOD at PIOS.com Mon Sep 15 17:13:36 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:13:36 -0400 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Dead_keys_doesnt_work_on_Severn__=22N=C3O?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_INFORMA=C7=C3O_=28just_a_test=29=22?= Message-ID: This reply send sent via Outlook XP on an Exchange 2000 network. I would have to agree with comments on Outlook/Outlook Express/ and Exchange not handling MIME - or any standard adherence. Currently, PGP signed emails I get arrive as attachments since Exchange has no idea how to deal with the content correctly. Don Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > (just a test)" > > > > Ok. I'm going to send you a few words with dead keys, and you check > it on Outlook. > > mat?ria, gr?ficos, bot?es, op??o, conte?do > > It appears lile: > mat??ria, gr??ficos, bot??es, op????o, conte??do > > I'm using latest Evolution fromr awhide, and Kopete 0.7.1 for instant > messaging. > > > Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 12:40, Alexandre Oliva escreveu: >> On Sep 15, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes > wrote: >> >>> When I send mail to myself, I can read it properly. >> >> Please send such e-mail (with accents in the subject) to me, I'd like >> to see how it looks like. Odds are that Outlook Express doesn't >> adhere to the MIME specs. >> >>> But people using Outlook Express and ICQ see a mess. >> >> ICQ, I could understand. Odds are that its wire protocol isn't UTF-8 >> (or it doesn't even specify the encoding), which implies both ends >> must choose the same encoding to have any hope of taking something >> sensible. And then, if you want to talk to more than one person, and >> they use different encodings, you're in trouble. >> >>> What's the proper configuration for /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use the >>> br-abnt2 keyboard layout and use dead keys? >> >> Keyboard layout and dead keys have nothing to do with the problem, if >> I understand it correctly. It has to do with representation of >> non-ASCII characters. In /etc/sysconfig/i18n, you can change the >> default encoding to iso-8859-1 from UTF-8 by modifying LANG, and even >> though this will give you compatibility with those using iso-8859-1, >> it will break compatibility with those using UTF-8. There's no good >> solution before everybody agrees on a standard encoding. GOTO >> EBCDIC2ASCII :-) From thiago at jampanight.com.br Mon Sep 15 17:22:53 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:22:53 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063640462.18549.47.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063640462.18549.47.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063646573.6128.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> It seens to have working after change the LANG at /etc/sysconfig/i18n, but now, on KDE applications, I can't write the ~ signal. It shows like "n~ao" instead of "n?o". On Evolution and Mozilla it works fine. What can I do? I tried configuring the keyboard settings on KDE, but no success. No I use KDE's default settings.. Any idea? Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 12:41, Owen Taylor escreveu: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 10:36, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > Em Seg, 2003-09-15 ?s 11:18, Owen Taylor escreveu: > > > > Owen, I get this problem when using Evolution or Kopete. > > > > The simple work N?O (that means NO) returns the following for the people > > > > who gets the message: > > > > =?ISO-8859-1?B?SlVESUNJQUwgLSBOww==?= > > > > > > N?0 came through fine here, as did your From: line - I can't decipher > > > encoded headers in my head, but maybe the mailer of the people getting > > > the mail just isn't standards compliant? What mailer are they using? > > > If you send mail to yourself, can you read it? > > > > When I send mail to myself, I can read it properly. But people using > > Outlook Express and ICQ see a mess. What's the proper configuration for > > /etc/sysconfig/i18n to use the br-abnt2 keyboard layout and use dead > > keys? > > This has nothing to do with input ... if you see it correctly yourself, > then it's been input correctly. > > The question is - why isn't it displaying correctly in Output Express? > That's very strange to me. You might want to file a bug in > bugzilla.ximian.com, including literal copies of: > > - The mail that evolution sends that Outlook Express can't decipher > - A mail sent with a different mailer with the same content that > Outlook Express reads correctly. > > For ICQ -- it's likely simply a bug in licq (or whatever you are using); > likely it doesn't properly handle convering from UTF-8 to the correct > windows codepage that the other end is expecting. > > Regards, > Owen > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 17:25:25 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Sep 2003 14:25:25 -0300 Subject: =?utf-8?b?UmU6IERlYWQga2V5cyBk?= =?utf-8?b?b2VzbnQgd29yayBvbiBT?= =?utf-8?b?ZXZlcm4gICJOw4NPIElORg==?= =?utf-8?b?T1JNQcOHw4NPIChqdXN0IGE=?= =?utf-8?b?IHRlc3QpIg==?= In-Reply-To: <1063641087.7602.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063641087.7602.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Ok. I'm going to send you a few words with dead keys, and you check it > on Outlook. > mat?ria, gr?ficos, bot?es, op??o, conte?do This all looks correct to me. > It appears lile: > mat??ria, gr??ficos, bot??es, op????o, conte??do This is exactly how UTF-8 looks like if you display it as ISO-8859-1. Your message displays correctly in my mailer. The non-ASCII characters in the subject are encoded as ISO-8859-1: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22N=C3O?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_INFORMA=C7=C3O?= Note that the encoding is part of the subject, just as specified in the MIME specs, and the non-ASCII characters are encoded as `=? followed by a pair of hex digits representing the character number in the chosen encoding. As for the body, it's encoded in UTF-8, and the Content-Type header says so: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Therefore, any MIME-compliant mailer should be able to display the content correctly. Any mailer that doesn't display them properly is broken or misconfigured. If it was a text-user-interface mailer, it could be a symptom of misconfiguration of the terminal, but this is not the case of Outlook Express. As for instant messaging, I'm not aware of standards specifying standard character encoding, or defining inline encoding specifications like MIME, so I can't tell whether it's just a limitation in the protocol or brokenness of applications on either end. -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 17:26:22 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 15 Sep 2003 14:26:22 -0300 Subject: Dead keys doesnt work on Severn In-Reply-To: <1063643965.7645.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063624608.5569.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063627124.3902.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063630951.5569.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063635514.18549.8.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063636599.7177.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1063643965.7645.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > What about the SYSFONT parameter? What shoud I put? AFAIK, you can just leave the default in there: SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From ba at linuxin.dk Mon Sep 15 17:38:08 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:38:08 +0200 Subject: Numlock Message-ID: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> Hi Is it not about time that GNOME supports the numlock key? KDE has supported it since ver. 2. When i try to install it in X, i use a program called Xnumlock. But Xnumlock does not work in redhat 9, so I think it is a god idea finally to get normal Numlock support under GNOME (without the Xnumlock patch). Are there any plans for that in the final release? Best Regards Bjorn Andersen Linux Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some things we are working on before we relaunch are: * Collaborating with existing projects to avoid duplication of effort * Incorporating community suggestions and feedback We expect to have more information for you by September 15th." However, the day isn't over yet. ... or else everyone at Red Hat is (PROBABLY) still tied up with concerns such as SCO vs linux, Thompson's fuzzy signals WRT mp3 code, etc., etc... "Patience is virture, and virture is grace..." as I was often told. hang in there, dude! You're not the only one who's becoming impatient. FWIW, there doesn't seem to be any signs of beta2, yet... Elton ;-) [:>\ [ ... not a terribly patient person] -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 18:55:22 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:55:22 -0400 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 13:38, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > Hi > Is it not about time that GNOME supports the numlock key? > KDE has supported it since ver. 2. > > When i try to install it in X, i use a program called Xnumlock. > But Xnumlock does not work in redhat 9, so I think it is a god idea > finally to get normal Numlock support under GNOME (without the > Xnumlock patch). > > Are there any plans for that in the final release? 789456123 Huh? Owen P.S. If you disabled XKB on your system, an entirely unsupported, unwarranted and evil thing to do, then you may find GTK+-2.2.4 better than the 2.2.2 that shipped with Severn. And get rid of Xnumlock. I dont' know what it does, but it can't be anything good. Numlock works perfectly fine without running any extra programs. From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 15 19:05:56 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2003 at 14:55, Owen Taylor in a maddening rage wrote: >On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 13:38, Bjorn Andersen wrote: >> Hi >> Is it not about time that GNOME supports the numlock key? >> KDE has supported it since ver. 2. >> >> When i try to install it in X, i use a program called Xnumlock. >> But Xnumlock does not work in redhat 9, so I think it is a god idea >> finally to get normal Numlock support under GNOME (without the >> Xnumlock patch). >> >> Are there any plans for that in the final release? > >789456123 > >Huh? > Owen > >P.S. If you disabled XKB on your system, an entirely unsupported, > unwarranted and evil thing to do, then you may find GTK+-2.2.4 > better than the 2.2.2 that shipped with Severn. > > And get rid of Xnumlock. I dont' know what it does, but it > can't be anything good. Numlock works perfectly fine without > running any extra programs. Can you please tell us kind sire how we would go about this without aktually pressing the numlock key? TIA. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 I think the world is ready for the story of an ugly duckling, who grew up to remain an ugly duckling, and lived happily ever after. -- Chick 15:04:58 up 22 days, 2:39, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From ckloiber at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 19:21:39 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:21:39 -0400 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063653699.8174.9.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:19, Elton Woo wrote: > Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?ProductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 > > Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? I use my Sony DRU-500AX here in the office, and it works just fine. I even make my own DVD isos of Severn with it. I have no reason to believe the newer model would not also work just fine. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 19:25:22 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:25:22 -0400 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 15:05, ne... wrote: > >P.S. If you disabled XKB on your system, an entirely unsupported, > > unwarranted and evil thing to do, then you may find GTK+-2.2.4 > > better than the 2.2.2 that shipped with Severn. > > > > And get rid of Xnumlock. I dont' know what it does, but it > > can't be anything good. Numlock works perfectly fine without > > running any extra programs. > Can you please tell us kind sire how we would go about this > without aktually pressing the numlock key? What are you trying to do? Owen From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 15 20:01:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:01:18 -0400 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <1063653699.8174.9.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063653699.8174.9.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309151601.18244.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 15, 2003 03:21 pm, Chris Kloiber Chris Kloiber wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:19, Elton Woo wrote: > > Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. > > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_ > >DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?P > >roductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 > > > > Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? > > I use my Sony DRU-500AX here in the office, and it works just fine. I > even make my own DVD isos of Severn with it. I have no reason to believe > the newer model would not also work just fine. That is good news, indeed. My curiosity was piqued when I recently came across an ad for this peripheral. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jessehulsey at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 20:14:36 2003 From: jessehulsey at yahoo.com (Jesse Hulsey) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Getting up2date error after updates installed Message-ID: <20030915201436.62366.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> Terry, I had the same issue, openssl has some problem, worked w/ 0.9.7a-16 and didnt with the new 0.9.7a-17, I just installed the older one on top after the update and it works fine again. not sure why, but hope that helps :) -Jesse __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 20:31:12 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:31:12 +0200 Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <3F65DA90.8000901@redhat.com> References: <200309130712.h8D7Cbo28402@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F62F449.3020203@tuins.ac.jp> <3F65DA90.8000901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063657871.22284.17.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Garrett, On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 17:28, Garrett LeSage wrote: > rg wrote: > > > P.S. Is the beta's flower wallpaper going to be in the final? I like > > that better than the blue back - seems so cheerful and inviting. > > > I am planning on including a non-beta version (which would not have the > watermark) in the final, but not as the default. It will probably wind > up living in the desktop-backgrounds-extra RPM. a thing I wanted to ask you for quite some time (but never got around to doing it) is: What equipment do you use for taking your pictures -- a digicam, SLR -> print -> scanner, SLR -> slide/negative -> film scanner? The strong colors of your pictures are awesome! I usually take slides and scan them with my Minolta Dim?ge Scan Dual (yes the one without SANE backend :-() and am a bit disappointed by the kinda "washed out" colors I get in the end (even with gamma correction, various ImageMagick and GIMP trickery applied afterwards). TIA for any hints, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Numlock works perfectly fine without > > > running any extra programs. > > Can you please tell us kind sire how we would go about this > > without aktually pressing the numlock key? > > What are you trying to do? > Owen I think the question might be how do you get the NumLock to stick without having to hit it every time you start up X? How do you get the NumLock to remember that it was turned on last time? -- bts at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From limbo at bluethingy.com Mon Sep 15 21:02:29 2003 From: limbo at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:02:29 -0700 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:25, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 15:05, ne... wrote: > > > >P.S. If you disabled XKB on your system, an entirely unsupported, > > > unwarranted and evil thing to do, then you may find GTK+-2.2.4 > > > better than the 2.2.2 that shipped with Severn. > > > > > > And get rid of Xnumlock. I dont' know what it does, but it > > > can't be anything good. Numlock works perfectly fine without > > > running any extra programs. > > Can you please tell us kind sire how we would go about this > > without aktually pressing the numlock key? > > What are you trying to do? > Owen > I think they mean having numlock be on by default at startup. > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > From dsavage at peaknet.net Mon Sep 15 21:46:22 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:46:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Can I ignore these up2date output messages? Message-ID: <45457.140.175.214.37.1063662382.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> After adding the '9.0.93-updates' path to my RHL profile, I had quite a few packages to download and install from rawhide -- 708 to be precise (!). I also had some noise toward the end that might be meaningless, but I thought I'd ask before ignoring it. The tail of the up2date-nox session looked like this: ... 708:yelp ########################################### [100%] /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libkateinterfaces.so.#prelink#.xPkplT is too small, not checked. /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libpt.so.1.5.0.#prelink#.NO37M7 is too small, not checked. Stopping named: [ OK ] Starting named: [ OK ] /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8.#prelink#.XTGEEn is too small, not checked. /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libartsmodules.so.0.0.0.#prelink#.D4WjNP is too small, not checked. /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libgcj.so.1.0.0.#prelink#.Sf0dcf is too small, not checked. /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libmetacity-private.so.0.0.0.#prelink#.bFd1qy is too small, not checked. /sbin/ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-1.1.so.3.0.4.#prelink#.hJvqM3 is too small, not checked. /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63852: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file What's all the "#prelink#.XXXXXX is too small, not checked" stuff? And is the "/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63852: line 6" message significant? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 21:51:50 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:51:50 -0400 Subject: Can I ignore these up2date output messages? In-Reply-To: <45457.140.175.214.37.1063662382.squirrel@www.peaknet.net>; from dsavage@peaknet.net on Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 04:46:22PM -0500 References: <45457.140.175.214.37.1063662382.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> Message-ID: <20030915175141.A26582@devserv.devel.redhat.com> dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) said: > What's all the "#prelink#.XXXXXX is too small, not checked" stuff? prelink left around a temporary file. If you could run it by hand and make sure it's not crashing, that would be good. > And is > the "/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63852: line 6" message significant? Yes, it's a bug in some package's helper script. The question is which one... Bill From dsavage at peaknet.net Mon Sep 15 22:06:43 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Can I ignore these up2date output messages? In-Reply-To: <20030915175141.A26582@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <45457.140.175.214.37.1063662382.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> <20030915175141.A26582@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <26054.140.175.214.37.1063663603.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> On Monday September 15, 2003 Bill Nottingham wrote: > dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) said: >> What's all the "#prelink#.XXXXXX is too small, not checked" stuff? > > prelink left around a temporary file. If you could run it by hand > and make sure it's not crashing, that would be good. > >> And is >> the "/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63852: line 6" message significant? > > Yes, it's a bug in some package's helper script. The question > is which one... Bill, OK, I'll 'rpm -U' the files with "too small" messages. I wish I could tell you what that rpm-tmp file contained, but the only such file now in /var/tmp has a different number. I guess that really *is* a scratch directory. :-P Thanks. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Mon Sep 15 23:06:25 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:06:25 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:08:17 BST." <20030912140817.GA5421@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309152306.BAA03494@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> davej at redhat.com said: > We've got a handle on this at last, and yes it is a kernel problem. > Should be fixed in .2044 when that appears sometime over the weekend. I just tried 2.4.22-1.2044.nptl, with all combinations of exec-shield and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL= to no avail. heroes3 and kohan still won't work. Cheers, Christian From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 23:11:54 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:11:54 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:44:34PM -0400 References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:44:34PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > We expect to have more information for you by September 15th." Draft of additional information (no, not the final new site yet, but we're getting there...) is taking longer than expected to go through process; I think we're blocked on a bit of process, right now waiting for someone to do a review. We do have real changes, but we're still working out a couple of minor details, which are still worth getting right before we roll this out. The change is exciting, though, and I think it will be worth the wait. IMHO, anyway. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From michael at ywow.org Mon Sep 15 23:25:58 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:25:58 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <012f01c37be0$b8516a60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Michael, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael K. Johnson" > We do have real changes, but we're still working out a couple > of minor details, which are still worth getting right before > we roll this out. > > The change is exciting, though, and I think it will be worth > the wait. IMHO, anyway. Thank you for the update. Everyone should remember that Hurricane Isabel is expected to make landfall and proceed close to (or perhaps through) Raleigh probably on Thursday. If the folks at Red Hat are just making sure that they have provisions for the storm, that's bound to slow things down. Thanks, Mike Jang From davej at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 23:46:48 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:46:48 +0100 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309152306.BAA03494@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> References: <20030912140817.GA5421@redhat.com> <200309152306.BAA03494@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> Message-ID: <20030915234648.GA32543@redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 01:06:25AM +0200, Christian Iseli wrote: > davej at redhat.com said: > > We've got a handle on this at last, and yes it is a kernel problem. > > Should be fixed in .2044 when that appears sometime over the weekend. > > I just tried 2.4.22-1.2044.nptl, with all combinations of exec-shield and > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL= to no avail. heroes3 and kohan still won't work. Still ironing out some wrinkles. Let me know if 2049 fares any better. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From packetgeek at chuckiechanboys.com Tue Sep 16 00:51:54 2003 From: packetgeek at chuckiechanboys.com (Charles Bronson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:51:54 -0400 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> Michael Knepher wrote: > I think they mean having numlock be on by default at startup. I asked this question on the RedHat-List a month ago or so and was told the change would have to come from upstream (i.e. the Gnome developers). For what it is worth I would like it if the kernel would just recognize what the state the BIOS sets it to at startup then just have Gnome accept that setting. -- (?_ Some days you're the windshield >o) //\ Some days you're the bug... /\\ V_/_ _\_V Charles Bronson From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 00:53:44 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:53:44 -0400 Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <51839.192.76.80.75.1063382270.spork@webmail.xwell.org>; from kylem@xwell.org on Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:57:50AM -0500 References: <1063307402.2493.1.camel@tiger> <20030911154928.C9003@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F61EA78.7020307@cypress.com> <51839.192.76.80.75.1063382270.spork@webmail.xwell.org> Message-ID: <20030915205344.B2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:57:50AM -0500, Kyle Maxwell wrote: > It was merged; do a rpm -q --changelog on the 2.4.22-1.2040.nptl kernel > and you'll see it mentioned. Given that RHL is not really a supported > product anymore, it doesn't make sense to split out "unsupported" modules. > The changelog still says that distinction is made to some degree, but I > haven't dug into it any to see exactly how that distinction is made. The modules that had been in the "unsupported" RPM are still kept in the same directory that they were when they were in the unsupported RPM (/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/unsupported) so that you can tell the modules that we are likely to put less effort into fixing; we still wanted to convey reasonable expectations based in the information that we used to get to having an "unsupported" RPM in the first place. rpm -ql kernel will make it pretty obvious. :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Mon Sep 15 19:14:58 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:14:58 -0700 Subject: Numlock References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F660FB2.30201@intel.com> ne... wrote: > On Sep 15, 2003 at 14:55, Owen Taylor in a maddening rage wrote: >> And get rid of Xnumlock. I dont' know what it does, but it >> can't be anything good. Numlock works perfectly fine without >> running any extra programs. > > Can you please tell us kind sire how we would go about this > without aktually pressing the numlock key? I have a numlock rpm that I modified from Mandrake if anyone is interested. It works just like any other service: service numlock start, chkconfig numlock on. Forrest -- From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 01:36:01 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:36:01 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <012f01c37be0$b8516a60$201e16ac@AllAccess>; from michael@ywow.org on Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 07:25:58PM -0400 References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <012f01c37be0$b8516a60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <20030915213601.C2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 07:25:58PM -0400, MJang wrote: > Thank you for the update. Everyone should remember that Hurricane Isabel is expected to make landfall and proceed close to (or > perhaps through) Raleigh probably on Thursday. If the folks at Red Hat are just making sure that they have provisions for the storm, > that's bound to slow things down. Heh, you figured out one of the points that is on the writeup currently meandering through the update process. Yes, making appropriate provisions for potentially meeting Hurricane Isabel is taking time on our part... For those who are curious, you can visit http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 16 03:02:28 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:02:28 -0400 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup Message-ID: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put into the grub.conf file? From rhl at farorbit.com Tue Sep 16 03:04:31 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:04:31 -0500 Subject: joysick... Message-ID: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. ./sls From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 16 03:25:53 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:25:53 +0200 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 01:11, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:44:34PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > We expect to have more information for you by September 15th." > > Draft of additional information (no, not the final new site yet, > but we're getting there...) is taking longer than expected to > go through process; Please update http://rhl.redhat.com/ with (for example) : "We expect to have more information for you by October 1st." I talk about http://rhl.redhat.com/ around me. If in three days there is always "September 15th" ... All visitors of http://rhl.redhat.com/ are no in this mailing-list. Some people are waiting for more information to get involved in this project or are simply curious. This take 10 minutes and nobody will think the project is "dead" :-) Should i think the website will be up in less than 3 days ? > I think we're blocked on a bit of process, > right now waiting for someone to do a review. > > We do have real changes, but we're still working out a couple > of minor details, which are still worth getting right before > we roll this out. > > The change is exciting, though, and I think it will be worth > the wait. IMHO, anyway. > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Linux will never be easy enough for the masses if stuff like this still has to be configured. The problem would have been in two parts here. Even if the burner had been autodetected nciley, and Grub reconfigured automatically, it would have required a reboot, because hardware detection takes place after these parameters have been passed to the kernel. Or maybe new drivers are needed for us to not have to use scsi emulation. Any thought on this please. I found it frustrating though. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 16 03:41:25 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:41:25 +0200 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> References: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1063683685.5443.96.camel@one.myworld> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 05:02, Jim Cornette wrote: > I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia > modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put > into the grub.conf file? > AFAIK there is no kernel option to disable pcmcia. Try : - chkconfig pcmcia off - rpm -e kernel-pcmcia. - add "alias pcmcia_core off" to /etc/modules.conf. - move /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o in /tmp. I don't know if those tricks work. Hope this help. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From blindman.jones at verizon.net Tue Sep 16 03:50:52 2003 From: blindman.jones at verizon.net (m jones) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:50:52 -0400 Subject: Severn upgrade on KT7-Raid Message-ID: <200309152350.52548.blindman.jones@verizon.net> I wanted to upgrade my extra computer from RH9 to Severn, however Severn does not recognize the RAID0 drives that 9 is installed on... How can I get Severn to recognize the Highpoint 370 ATA100 card on the KT7-Raid mobo... i tried using the Highpoint drivers for RH9.0 driver/solution... but no luck... is there a boot parameter i might try to get Severn to see the drives? I think actually, the driver may be loaded... Severn is just not recognizing the RAID0 setup... when the setup gets to the partition part it says that /dev/hde is not setup and should it format the drives wiping all data etc... it then repeats for /dev/hdg. Thank You, -- michael jones erleichda archiving usa From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Sep 16 04:04:18 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:04:18 -0400 Subject: Changing drives In-Reply-To: <1063682948.21499.10.camel@albert> References: <1063682948.21499.10.camel@albert> Message-ID: <200309160004.18645.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 15, 2003 11:29 pm, Maynard Kuona Maynard Kuona wrote: > Linux will never be easy enough for the masses if stuff like this still > has to be configured. The problem would have been in two parts here. > Even if the burner had been autodetected nciley, and Grub reconfigured > automatically, it would have required a reboot, because hardware > detection takes place after these parameters have been passed to the > kernel. Or maybe new drivers are needed for us to not have to use scsi >From what I've read on the list here, the 2.6 kernel should enable writing to IDE without need for SCSI emulation. In the meantime, though, shouldn't kudzu have recognized the "new" ("changed around") hardware, and configured fstab as needed? ... just wondering ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 16 04:18:19 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:18:19 +0200 Subject: Changing drives In-Reply-To: <1063682948.21499.10.camel@albert> References: <1063682948.21499.10.camel@albert> Message-ID: <1063685899.5443.125.camel@one.myworld> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 05:29, Maynard Kuona wrote: > I came across one of the ugly faces of Linux recently when I changed > around some drives. I had gotten rid of one of my hard drives, and then, > I had to change one of my optical drives to become a master. I chose to > change the cd writer. > > All was well until it got to the part where I needed to burn something. > But the drive was not appearing in any of the places for the Nautilus cd > burner. I was stumped for a while, trying to figure this ine out. It > took me the better part of an afternoon to actually figure out that I > had to change the extra parameter I was passing to the kernel at boot in > Grub, to enable scsi emulation for the drive. > > Linux will never be easy enough for the masses if stuff like this still > has to be configured. The problem would have been in two parts here. > Even if the burner had been autodetected nciley, and Grub reconfigured > automatically, it would have required a reboot, because hardware > detection takes place after these parameters have been passed to the > kernel. This can be do without rebooting but it's not "user-friendly". Remove ide-cd and cdrom modules "modprobe -r cdrom ; modprobe -r ide-cd". add "options ide-cd ignore=hdc" to /etc/modules.conf . load ide-cd then ide-scsi : "modprobe ide-cd ; modprobe ide-scsi". update symbolic links in /dev : "updfstab". any way, you should update grub.conf otherwise this doesn't work during the next boot. All in all, the better is to update grub.conf and reboot. > Or maybe new drivers are needed for us to not have to use scsi > emulation. Any thought on this please. I found it frustrating though. > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or maybe just broken windows or days of lost power. So I think they are spending time getting ready and getting supplies, making sure their homes are protected, so their families have food to eat if the worst happens. From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Sep 16 04:58:31 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:58:31 -0400 Subject: while we're waiting... *new* bugs: 104478 and 104479 Message-ID: <200309160058.31105.elwoo@videotron.ca> Something to sink our teeth into while waiting Beta 2: Bugs pertaining to the KDE Control Center (... Bero must hate me for this! ). https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 SUMMARY: When configuring preferences in the KDE Control panel, the help index does not build. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104479 SUMMARY: KDE control center does not allow kernel configuration, but instead pops up an error message to the effect that: "The kernel configuration could not be read..." kindly verify, add comments. Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mharris at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 05:10:17 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Charles Bronson wrote: >> I think they mean having numlock be on by default at startup. > >I asked this question on the RedHat-List a month ago or so and was told the >change would have to come from upstream (i.e. the Gnome developers). > >For what it is worth I would like it if the kernel would just recognize what the >state the BIOS sets it to at startup then just have Gnome accept that setting. The kernel is hard coded to disable numlock on startup. Years back when this annoyed me as I wanted numlock to default to the BIOS defined setting as well, I was told on the linux-kernel mailing list that the kernel defaulted to disabling numlock so that Linus' laptop came up ready to type, rather than having numlock enabled and having to turn it off in order to type. I don't know if that is the true reason or not, but that's what I was told years ago. Needless to say, it annoyed me, so I patched keyboard.c in 2.2.x to force numlock to come on unconditionally, which is how I wanted it to be. That worked great for forcing all of the default VCs to have numlock turned on by default, and IMHO is a more sane default setting, as the majority of users have keyboards with separate cursor keys and numpad, so it makes sense IMHO to boot up with both cursor keys AND numbers ready to type, rather than 2 sets of cursor and navigation keys by default. IMHO, defaulting to the BIOS default state would be best, and second to that defaulting to numlock on. However, I have no faith that the upstream kernel would ever change the current default, or it'd have been done years ago by now. I'm sure every possible argument in either direction have all been completely exhausted long ago, including my own above. ;o) Off the top of my head, I don't recall if XFree86 defaults to enabling numlock, disabling numlock, or leaving numlock to the default state it was in the tty X was started from. I'd have to doublecheck to be sure. So, without modifying the kernel and/or X server, you'll have to run setleds, or xset for X. I dunno if the kernel guys are open to the idea of patching the kernel to be sane for numlock by default or not, but I'd consider doing it for X, especially if someone else writes the patch and submits it in bugzilla. ;o) -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 05:16:52 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Changing drives In-Reply-To: <1063682948.21499.10.camel@albert> References: <1063682948.21499.10.camel@albert> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Maynard Kuona wrote: >I came across one of the ugly faces of Linux recently when I changed >around some drives. I had gotten rid of one of my hard drives, and then, >I had to change one of my optical drives to become a master. I chose to >change the cd writer. > >All was well until it got to the part where I needed to burn something. >But the drive was not appearing in any of the places for the Nautilus cd >burner. I was stumped for a while, trying to figure this ine out. It >took me the better part of an afternoon to actually figure out that I >had to change the extra parameter I was passing to the kernel at boot in >Grub, to enable scsi emulation for the drive. > >Linux will never be easy enough for the masses if stuff like this still >has to be configured. The problem would have been in two parts here. >Even if the burner had been autodetected nciley, and Grub reconfigured >automatically, it would have required a reboot, because hardware >detection takes place after these parameters have been passed to the >kernel. Or maybe new drivers are needed for us to not have to use scsi >emulation. Any thought on this please. I found it frustrating though. Have you disabled "kudzu" at boot time? CD burner autodetection works fine for me and always has for years. For what it's worth, SCSI emulation for CD burners is on it's way out anyway. The 2.6.x kernel burns CDs without using SCSI emulation. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From djh at iinet.net.au Tue Sep 16 05:42:40 2003 From: djh at iinet.net.au (djh) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:42:40 +1000 (EST) Subject: while we're waiting... *new* bugs: 104478 and 104479 In-Reply-To: <200309160058.31105.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > Something to sink our teeth into while waiting Beta 2: > Bugs pertaining to the KDE Control Center > (... Bero must hate me for this! ). I don't think he cares - he left Red Hat about a year ago. ;) David. From m0par at cox.net Tue Sep 16 05:47:41 2003 From: m0par at cox.net (KSC) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:47:41 -0500 Subject: RESOLVED: Time weirdness... In-Reply-To: <20030914005615.4e834431.m0par@cox.net> References: <20030914005615.4e834431.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: <20030916004741.480b3045.m0par@cox.net> kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2044.nptl solved the strange clock/etc behavior for me. I don't know what changed, but thanks to whoever is responsible... From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Sep 16 06:34:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:34:39 -0400 Subject: while we're waiting... *new* bugs: 104478 and 104479 In-Reply-To: <200309160058.31105.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309160058.31105.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200309160234.39880.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 16, 2003 15:42:40 +1000 (EST), djh wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > >> Something to sink our teeth into while waiting Beta 2: >> Bugs pertaining to the KDE Control Center >> (... Bero must hate me for this! ). >I don't think he cares - he left Red Hat about a year ago. ;) >David. Oh, yeah ... I forgot. So why do these *new* bug reports say: "AssignedTo: bero at redhat.com"? Does this mean they *won't* be fixed? Are we going to have a crippled KDE in the next version of Red Hat? Elton ~ 8>\ <--- a totally confused penguin! -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Sep 16 09:30:15 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: oracle 9iR2 on severn? Message-ID: has anyone installed oracle 9iR2 on severn? and, of course, under the 2.6.0 kernel? :-) later today, i'm going to test out installing 9iR2 on both a red hat 9 system, and then severn. are there any significant differences i should know about, if anyone else here has done it? and what are the canonical online sites for HOWTOs on this topic? my three favorite are http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/09/04/oracle_install.html http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle9i.shtml http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html between those three, i can get just about all the info i think i need. are there any other sites worth perusing on the topic? rday From hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk Tue Sep 16 10:00:41 2003 From: hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk (Telsa Gwynne) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:00:41 +0100 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <20030916100041.GA12987@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:49:33AM -0400 or thereabouts, MJang wrote: > Give these guys a break. If you have ever prepared for a hurricane, i > you would understand how difficult anything is during this process. I have seen Twister. Does that count? Oh wait, that was tornados. Seriously, living in a country which doesn't have hurricanes, I just take it on trust that they're big and nasty. But I remember Hurricane Floyd in 1999 causing similar preparations, with mirrors all over the place. http://old.lwn.net/1999/0916/a/floyd.html (Also sent on a fifteenth of September, weirdly enough.) I think that one passed safely (from Red Hat's point of view, at least). I hope the next one does. Telsa From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 16 10:10:38 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:10:38 +0200 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 06:49, MJang wrote: > Dear Feliciano, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fliciano Matias" > > Please update http://rhl.redhat.com/ with (for example) : > "We expect to have more information for you by October 1st." > ********** > > Give these guys a break. I give all the time they need. I am only asking RedHat to inform visitors of http://rhl.redhat.com/ . Not more. It's not a big deal to update the date of the home page of rhl.redhat.com every two weeks and, btw, this show some "respect" for visitors. I "hate" none updated website. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 16 10:22:33 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:22:33 +0200 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <20030916122233.1193aa59.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:10:38 +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: > I "hate" none updated website. There can't be anything more annoying than these tiresome threads on mailing-lists. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZuRp0iMVcrivHFQRAmm0AKCBlJvd5z+x+A7dYx36rcz6viOMMwCfd16a wAqPRoG6j7idN7iAMnNhSzI= =IqoZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michael at ywow.org Tue Sep 16 11:00:09 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:00:09 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <01d701c37c41$b26185c0$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Feliciano, ----- Original Message ----- From: "F?liciano Matias" > Give these guys a break. Not more. It's not a big deal to update the date of the home page of rhl.redhat.com every two weeks and, btw, this show some "respect" for visitors. I "hate" none updated website. ********* You're talking about respect? Please RESPECT the people at Red Hat who are preparing for the hurricane. ANYTHING other than hurricane preparations is a BIG deal right now. Unless you have prepared for a hurricane and understand what it takes to board up windows, move furniture, back up critical systems, clear the outside of loose objects, wait in long lines to get hardware and non-perishable food, checking escape routes, etc, etc. and then have managed to do other work, you are being UNREASONABLE. I am preparing for the hurricane. I am not doing any work right now. I have several "10 minute simple updates" in my in box. The thought of updating my Website for anything unless it affects the safety of the members in my group is unbearable right now. Feliciano, have you ever prepared for a hurricane before? From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Sep 16 11:07:03 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <01d701c37c41$b26185c0$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, MJang wrote: > You're talking about respect? Please RESPECT the people at Red Hat who > are preparing for the hurricane. hmmm ... and i could have sworn it was SCO who claimed that they were "in the eye of the hurricane" at the moment. rday From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 11:24:24 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Changing drives In-Reply-To: <1063682948.21499.10.camel@albert> from "Maynard Kuona" at Med 16, 2003 05:29:09 Message-ID: <200309161124.h8GBOOl23252@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > burner. I was stumped for a while, trying to figure this ine out. It > took me the better part of an afternoon to actually figure out that I > had to change the extra parameter I was passing to the kernel at boot in > Grub, to enable scsi emulation for the drive. The 2.6 kernel has resolved this one. Its rather hard to backport however From j.sanchezf at terra.es Tue Sep 16 11:34:43 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:34:43 +0200 Subject: RESOLVED: Time weirdness... References: <20030914005615.4e834431.m0par@cox.net> <20030916004741.480b3045.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:47:41 -0500, KSC wrote: > kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2044.nptl solved the strange clock/etc behavior for > me. I don't know what changed, but thanks to whoever is responsible... Did not fix my problem with transcode, though. Still wondering... Julio From davej at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 11:41:04 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:04 +0100 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> References: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030916114104.GB8764@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:02:28PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia > modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put > into the grub.conf file? What kernel version ? Try booting with pci=noacpi Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From nbecker at hns.com Tue Sep 16 12:06:33 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:06:33 -0400 Subject: severn kde useless Message-ID: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> I have been testing beta1 (virgin). I have given up. I use kde. Every time I use it, the panel dies and the desktop becomes unresponsive. The mouse moves, but the desktop doesn't work. It's a little hard to describe. This seems to happen randomly, and the symptoms are not always identical. In every case, clicking on the start panel icon will do nothing at all. I may be able to raise windows by clicking on them, or maybe not. I may be able to Alt-Ctl-f1 sometimes. If so, when switching back to X the panel is not redrawn. Other times Alt-Ctrl-f1 does nothing, nor any other key sequence. From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 12:18:08 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I have been testing beta1 (virgin). You should update your system to rawhide (perhaps using the RHN channel). There are a lot of fixes you're missing. -- Elliot Addiction is anything that offers itself as the solution for the problems it causes. From nbecker at hns.com Tue Sep 16 12:24:24 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:24:24 -0400 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309160824.24271.nbecker@hns.com> On Tuesday 16 September 2003 08:18 am, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I have been testing beta1 (virgin). > > You should update your system to rawhide (perhaps using the RHN channel). > There are a lot of fixes you're missing. > Thanks. So I guess I'm not the only one who has seen this problem? I only have 56k, so updates are painful. I anxiously waiting for beta2. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 16 12:46:27 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:46:27 +0200 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <200309160824.24271.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309160824.24271.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20030916144627.28b09bd1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:24:24 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I only have 56k, so updates are painful. I anxiously waiting for beta2. Can't you get the updates the same way you would get beta2? - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZwYj0iMVcrivHFQRAnjHAJ9nsgAtmaUsdCsr1mvJSU4xwga6zACdGfGr Aa1K3MzDKY5D5CIAwKMPcFA= =o1UK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nbecker at hns.com Tue Sep 16 12:50:39 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:50:39 -0400 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <20030916144627.28b09bd1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200309160824.24271.nbecker@hns.com> <20030916144627.28b09bd1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200309160850.39417.nbecker@hns.com> On Tuesday 16 September 2003 08:46 am, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:24:24 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I only have 56k, so updates are painful. I anxiously waiting for beta2. > > Can't you get the updates the same way you would get beta2? > I don't understand. To get beta2, I would download the ISOs and burn onto cds. How would I do the same for updates? Is there a simple way I could use yum, for example, to create a local copy of beta1 + updates, that I could then burn? From jkt at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 12:22:28 2003 From: jkt at redhat.com (Jay Turner) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:22:28 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <20030916100041.GA12987@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <20030916100041.GA12987@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Message-ID: <20030916122228.GE2703@redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:00:41AM +0100, Telsa Gwynne wrote: > But I remember Hurricane Floyd in 1999 causing similar preparations, > with mirrors all over the place. > > http://old.lwn.net/1999/0916/a/floyd.html As an interesting aside about Hurricane Floyd . . . indeed, Red Hat did weather that storm without too much trouble, but the eastern part of the state (Raleigh is just east of the mid-line) suffered significant flooding (read that as whole towns wiped out.) Anyway, at one point in time during the evening when Floyd was making landfall, there was an emergency service notice which scrolled across the TVs and was announced on the radio. Basically all roads east of I-95 (major north-south interstate highway) had been closed as a result of flooding. As you can see here, that meant that about 1/3 of the whole state was "closed." We are indeed hoping that nothing similiar comes with Isabel. - jkt -- --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Jay Turner, QA Technical Lead jkt at redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein From chrisw01 at privatei.com Tue Sep 16 13:01:38 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:01:38 -0600 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <20030916100041.GA12987@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <20030916100041.GA12987@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Message-ID: <1063717298.29866.19.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 04:00, Telsa Gwynne wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:49:33AM -0400 or thereabouts, MJang wrote: > > > Give these guys a break. If you have ever prepared for a hurricane, i > > you would understand how difficult anything is during this process. > > I have seen Twister. Does that count? Oh wait, that was tornados. > Seriously, living in a country which doesn't have hurricanes, I > just take it on trust that they're big and nasty. > "Big and nasty" is pretty close. I grew up in Oklahoma City - dead center of the famed "Tornado Alley". I still have family there. "Twister" is fairly accurate for Hollywood in the look, sound and behavior of these storms, but nothing can prepare you for an F4 to F5 twister. They are truly terrifying with core winds well over 300MPH (480 KPH for our European friends). I've spent enough time huddling in storm cellars and bathrooms to know. Hurricanes are, by comparison, absolute monster storms. A category 5 hurricane has sustained winds of over 165MPH (about 265KPH). I understand this storm has been recently downgraded to a category 3 (115MPH winds). That's still considered a very dangerous storm. The National Weather Service is also saying it could still regain strength before coming ashore. One more thing: Hurricanes often spawn tornadoes within them. Be safe guys! Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From nosp at xades.com Tue Sep 16 13:02:25 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:02:25 +0100 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <200309151601.18244.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063653699.8174.9.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> <200309151601.18244.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063717345.1418.4.camel@earth.xades.com> I've got the DRU-510A and am using it fine to read/burn CDs with Severn (nautilus-cd and cdrecord). Haven't tried DVDs yet. On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 21:01, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 15, 2003 03:21 pm, Chris Kloiber Chris Kloiber > wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:19, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. > > > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_ > > >DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?P > > >roductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 > > > > > > Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? > > > > I use my Sony DRU-500AX here in the office, and it works just fine. I > > even make my own DVD isos of Severn with it. I have no reason to believe > > the newer model would not also work just fine. > That is good news, indeed. My curiosity was piqued when I recently > came across an ad for this peripheral. > > Elton ;-) From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Sep 16 13:24:50 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:24:50 -0500 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <1063683685.5443.96.camel@one.myworld> References: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> <1063683685.5443.96.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <1063718690.4207.19.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 22:41, F??liciano Matias wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 05:02, Jim Cornette wrote: > > I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia > > modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put > > into the grub.conf file? > > > > AFAIK there is no kernel option to disable pcmcia. > Try : > - chkconfig pcmcia off > - rpm -e kernel-pcmcia. > - add "alias pcmcia_core off" to /etc/modules.conf. > - move /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o in > /tmp. > > I don't know if those tricks work. > Hope this help. There have been three times that I have had the kernel boot hang on pcmcia startup (once each with 8, 9, and rawhide). To workaround, I booted to single-user mode and did a `chkconfig pcmcia off` then booted normally. From bash, I then did a `service pcmcia start` which would hang, of course, but a CTRL-C broke out of it. Mysteriously, the pc card actually started and I was able to `chkconfig pcmcia on`. I don't remember the circumstances around these events, but it seems I suspected the pc card had not been shutdown correctly (laptop battery went dead, etc.). HTH. -paul From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Tue Sep 16 13:54:17 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:54:17 +0200 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1063720457.1502.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 14:06, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I have been testing beta1 (virgin). I have given up. I use kde. Every time > I use it, the panel dies and the desktop becomes unresponsive. The mouse > moves, but the desktop doesn't work. It's a little hard to describe. This > seems to happen randomly, and the symptoms are not always identical. In > every case, clicking on the start panel icon will do nothing at all. I may > be able to raise windows by clicking on them, or maybe not. I may be able to > Alt-Ctl-f1 sometimes. If so, when switching back to X the panel is not > redrawn. Other times Alt-Ctrl-f1 does nothing, nor any other key sequence. I'm sorry I can't help you, but I feel the same about Red Hat's KDE. I want to pinpoint that KDE support in Red Hat is a no-go. Not only KDE feels slower than GNOME, but RedHat's KDE is much slower than SuSE's KDE, for example. Dragging a window in Red Hat's KDE has a considerable lag, window movement is not smooth and there is a delay since the user drags the window and the window starts moving. I thought it was related to 2.6 kernels and scheduler changes by Con Kolivas, but this is reproducible with 2.4 kernels too. All those problems can't be reproduce in SuSE 8.2. In fact, I have been forced to moved my laptop from Red Hat Linux to SuSE Linux. I love KDE, and I find Red Hat's KDE deceptive. I hope this will be fixed in a future release... From ted at cypress.com Tue Sep 16 14:06:34 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:06:34 -0500 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> Message-ID: <3F6718EA.6050501@cypress.com> Mike A. Harris wrote: > So, without modifying the kernel and/or X server, you'll have to > run setleds, or xset for X. I dunno if the kernel guys are open > to the idea of patching the kernel to be sane for numlock by > default or not, but I'd consider doing it for X, especially if I've seen several application misbehave when num-lock is on. A big one form me is HP's SmarTest. Its's motif based. It's the UI for a some test equipment, that I use for testing SRAM (single, dual, and quad ports, FIFOs , and even some CPLDs). I often display it remotely to my Linux and Solaris machines. It won't work correctly if numlock is on, on either machine. Sure, it's a bug in the application, but not one I can fix. HP is very slow to fix bugs, and the fixes usually require the purchase of a new version. I've seen similar behavior in other apps on Solaris. So there are valid reason not to have numlock on. I've seen a few apps on Solaris that use the numpad keys as numbers when numlock is off too. As I recal, they didn't behave well when numlock was on. -Thomas From ted at cypress.com Tue Sep 16 14:14:17 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:14:17 -0500 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <200309160850.39417.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309160824.24271.nbecker@hns.com> <20030916144627.28b09bd1.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <200309160850.39417.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3F671AB9.5020009@cypress.com> Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Tuesday 16 September 2003 08:46 am, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >>On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:24:24 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> >>>I only have 56k, so updates are painful. I anxiously waiting for beta2. >> >>Can't you get the updates the same way you would get beta2? >> > > > I don't understand. To get beta2, I would download the ISOs and burn onto > cds. How would I do the same for updates? > > Is there a simple way I could use yum, for example, to create a local copy of > beta1 + updates, that I could then burn? Yes. Yum stores the rpms and header in /var/cache/yum. You could but that directory on a CD (or 2), thne copy the data to another machine. If you want to do it from a machine that isn't running the beta, I'd grab the rpms from rawhide, put them on a CD, and then make your own yum repository on the local machine. -Thomas From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Sep 16 14:37:16 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 16 Sep 2003 10:37:16 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? Message-ID: <1063723036.8711.55.camel@spatula> Christopher A. Williams wrote: >Be safe guys! Screw being safe! If I have to wait one more day for new beta isos because of this silly little storm...i expect someone from red hat with a nice digital camera to drive to the outer banks and take some good snapshots of the storm to be used in the next beta installer slide show. I think we can all agree that those of us who are waiting patiently and not griping web pages that are 5 days out of day are owed at least some really cool slide show pictures. -jef"I guess the new 4x10 windowless dorm rooms I saw this past weekend in Durham, could be considered hurricane safety measures, instead of prison cells"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Sep 16 14:51:59 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:51:59 +0200 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <1063720457.1502.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> <1063720457.1502.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <1063723919.20653.1.camel@albert> Don't use KDE much, but I think more people need to Beta Test KDE for it to be better in Redhat. Maybe its just me, but I think that much more people here test using GNOME instead. On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 15:54, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 14:06, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > I have been testing beta1 (virgin). I have given up. I use kde. Every time > > I use it, the panel dies and the desktop becomes unresponsive. The mouse > > moves, but the desktop doesn't work. It's a little hard to describe. This > > seems to happen randomly, and the symptoms are not always identical. In > > every case, clicking on the start panel icon will do nothing at all. I may > > be able to raise windows by clicking on them, or maybe not. I may be able to > > Alt-Ctl-f1 sometimes. If so, when switching back to X the panel is not > > redrawn. Other times Alt-Ctrl-f1 does nothing, nor any other key sequence. > > I'm sorry I can't help you, but I feel the same about Red Hat's KDE. > > I want to pinpoint that KDE support in Red Hat is a no-go. Not only KDE > feels slower than GNOME, but RedHat's KDE is much slower than SuSE's > KDE, for example. Dragging a window in Red Hat's KDE has a considerable > lag, window movement is not smooth and there is a delay since the user > drags the window and the window starts moving. I thought it was related > to 2.6 kernels and scheduler changes by Con Kolivas, but this is > reproducible with 2.4 kernels too. > > All those problems can't be reproduce in SuSE 8.2. In fact, I have been > forced to moved my laptop from Red Hat Linux to SuSE Linux. I love KDE, > and I find Red Hat's KDE deceptive. > > I hope this will be fixed in a future release... > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From hosting at j2solutions.net Tue Sep 16 15:01:35 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:01:35 -0700 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <3F6718EA.6050501@cypress.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <3F6718EA.6050501@cypress.com> Message-ID: <200309160801.35106.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 16 September 2003 07:06, Thomas Dodd uttered: > I've seen several application misbehave when num-lock is on. > A big one form me is HP's SmarTest. Its's motif based. It's the UI for a > some test equipment, that I use for testing SRAM (single, dual, and quad > ports, FIFOs , and even some CPLDs). I often display it remotely to my > Linux and Solaris machines. It won't work correctly if numlock is on, on > either machine. > > Sure, it's a bug in the application, but not one I can fix. HP is very > slow to fix bugs, and the fixes usually require the purchase of a new > version. > > I've seen similar behavior in other apps on Solaris. So there are valid > reason not to have numlock on. I've seen a few apps on Solaris that use > the numpad keys as numbers when numlock is off too. As I recal, they > didn't behave well when numlock was on. Which is why numlock status should be a user configurable choice. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 16 15:34:24 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:34:24 +0200 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 12:10, F?liciano Matias wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 06:49, MJang wrote: > > Dear Feliciano, > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fliciano Matias" > > > > Please update http://rhl.redhat.com/ with (for example) : > > "We expect to have more information for you by October 1st." > > ********** > > > > Give these guys a break. > > I give all the time they need. I am only asking RedHat to inform > visitors of http://rhl.redhat.com/ . > Not more. It's not a big deal to update the date of the home page of > rhl.redhat.com every two weeks and, btw, this show some "respect" for > visitors. > I "hate" none updated website. http://rhl.redhat.com/ have been updated. With of lot more informations than i ask. Thanks. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mark at mark.mielke.cc Tue Sep 16 15:42:26 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:42:26 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <20030916154226.GA20589@mark.mielke.cc> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:34:24PM +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: > > I give all the time they need. I am only asking RedHat to inform > > visitors of http://rhl.redhat.com/ . > > Not more. It's not a big deal to update the date of the home page of > > rhl.redhat.com every two weeks and, btw, this show some "respect" for > > visitors. I "hate" none updated website. > http://rhl.redhat.com/ have been updated. With of lot more informations > than i ask. Thanks as well to whoever put in the time. Community efforts have a way of developing disinterest when the participants, or potential participants grow impatient for results, especially results that were expected (whether rightly or wrongly). For the others who made this thread much longer than it needed to be, RedHat employees don't need you to come to their defense for *every* request, especially reasonable ones such as this one. They are perfectly capable of saying "We apologize for not having time to update the site. Many of our employees are at home preparing to weather a potentially dangerous storm." In fact, I am surprised that an official announcement of some sort didn't make it to the mailing lists. Perhaps they were all kept internal? (Our own company was very good at communicating when 'the blackout of 2003' hit us...) The request: If you have time, can you make rhl.redhat.com less embarassing? The final response: Yes. (They did it -- whoohoo!) Thanks! mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Sep 16 16:13:01 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:13:01 +0200 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <20030916154226.GA20589@mark.mielke.cc> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916154226.GA20589@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <1063728778.5440.12.camel@one.myworld> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 17:42, Mark Mielke wrote: > The request: If you have time, can you make rhl.redhat.com less embarassing? > > The final response: Yes. (They did it -- whoohoo!) > > Thanks! > mark This take 3 weeks just to have : - "We expect to have more information for you by September 15th." It's just a matter of "we take care about own audience". -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everything done under Linux. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 16:52:03 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:52:03 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld>; from feliciano.matias@free.fr on Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:34:24PM +0200 References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:34:24PM +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: > http://rhl.redhat.com/ have been updated. With of lot more informations > than i ask. > Thanks. FWIW, the reason it happened today instead of yesterday was that we had a "too many cooks" scenario where we had the text written and two people each thorugh the other was getting it put up. We didn't figure this out while the right people were at work, but it was the first item of business this morning. One other thing: the way things are looking, we'll probably get the updated site up early next week instead of late this week, due to a wide variety of factors that certainly includes preparations for Hurricane Isabel. Things certainly look like they may well be exciting... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Sep 16 17:03:42 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:03:42 -0500 Subject: HOWTO Lockdown Mozilla Prefs for LTSP v0.1 In-Reply-To: <1063613686.7441.34.camel@laptop> References: <1063613686.7441.34.camel@laptop> Message-ID: <1063731822.4207.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 03:14, Warren Togami wrote: > http://togami.com/~warren/guides/mozlockdown/ > Hi folks. I wrote this short HOWTO about locking down your Mozilla > preferences system-wide with simple default settings to make the > browsing experience less confusing for users of a K12LTSP desktop. > Please reply with comments or questions. > > These directions are very specific to K12LTSP-type networks, but could > be useful for other networks too. > > Warren Togami > warren at togami.com Very helpful. Thanks. -paul From j.sanchezf at terra.es Tue Sep 16 17:05:52 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:05:52 +0200 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn References: <20030912140817.GA5421@redhat.com> <200309152306.BAA03494@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> <20030915234648.GA32543@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:46:48 +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > Still ironing out some wrinkles. Let me know if 2049 fares any better. I am happy to report that it fixes *my* problem with transcode, it runs to completion now for all values of exec-shield except 2, that makes it die just as before. So it was exec-shield as suspected. Congratulations, Julio From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Tue Sep 16 17:40:49 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:40:49 +0300 Subject: XFS ? In-Reply-To: <1058915718.21323.377.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <200307222022.h6MKMCP28755@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030722225657.GD12678@puariko.nirvana> <1058915718.21323.377.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030916174049.GA1578@pua.nirvana> Hi, sorry for the late reply. On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:15:18PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 18:56, Axel Thimm wrote: > > Install support in the form of xfs aware anaconda? > > Most of the installer support should be there aside from missing the > utilities and kernel module. I merged the SGI patches long ago :) That sounds great, and the current severn and rawhide kernels already support xfs 1.2. So only mkfs.xfs from xfsprogs is missing for a xfs based install, or not? I have patched the latest rawhide kernel to XFS 1.3.0 and have built uptodate xfs userland tools for rawhide (including updated attr/acl bits). Would you consider XFS support in the installer? 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From davej at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 18:01:05 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:01:05 +0100 Subject: swsusp In-Reply-To: <20030916174255.GB1578@pua.nirvana> References: <20030916174255.GB1578@pua.nirvana> Message-ID: <20030916180105.GD8764@redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:42:55PM +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to patch swsusp into the rawhide kernel, but it conflicts with > the nptl patches. > > swsusp for 2.4.x is considered rather stable and would be a very nice > addition for laptop users of rhl. Would you consider shaping the patch > for the rawhide kernel? There are a few more nice surprises in line for the kernel currently in rawhide, but swsusp isn't one of them. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 18:22:31 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:22:31 -0400 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: ; from j.sanchezf@terra.es on Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 07:05:52PM +0200 References: <20030912140817.GA5421@redhat.com> <200309152306.BAA03494@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> <20030915234648.GA32543@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030916142231.A23120@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 07:05:52PM +0200, Julio Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:46:48 +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > > > Still ironing out some wrinkles. Let me know if 2049 fares any better. > > I am happy to report that it fixes *my* problem with transcode, it runs to > completion now for all values of exec-shield except 2, that makes it die > just as before. > > So it was exec-shield as suspected. Good to hear! Thanks for the report. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jason.baietto at ccur.com Tue Sep 16 18:26:34 2003 From: jason.baietto at ccur.com (Jason Baietto) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:26:34 -0400 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <1063729517.30326.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063729517.30326.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1063736793.22955.13.camel@soybean> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 12:25, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 08:19, Elton Woo wrote: > > Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. > > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?ProductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 > > > > Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? > > Works for me. I've been able to write CD-R, DVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD+RW > (didn't try DVD+W). Everything done under Linux. Just a quick question: have you had success erasing and then re-burning DVD+/-RWs with the 510A? If so, which of the many forks of cdrtools/cdrecord are you using? :-) Take care, Jason From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Tue Sep 16 18:56:45 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:56:45 +0300 Subject: swsusp In-Reply-To: <20030916180105.GD8764@redhat.com> References: <20030916174255.GB1578@pua.nirvana> <20030916180105.GD8764@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030916185645.GA3022@pua.nirvana> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 07:01:05PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:42:55PM +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I tried to patch swsusp into the rawhide kernel, but it conflicts with > > the nptl patches. > > > > swsusp for 2.4.x is considered rather stable and would be a very nice > > addition for laptop users of rhl. Would you consider shaping the patch > > for the rawhide kernel? > > There are a few more nice surprises in line for the kernel currently in > rawhide, Which? :) > but swsusp isn't one of them. Why not? :( -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Tue Sep 16 19:05:33 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:05:33 +0200 Subject: OT: VeriSign Message-ID: <3F675EFD.3090607@gmx.de> hi, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/0034210&mode=nested&tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99 http://www.iab.org/Documents/icann-vgrs-response.html http://rhl-redhat.com --> http://sitefinder.verisign.com/lpc?url=rhl-redhat.com&host=rhl-redhat.com crazy world :-( $ host rhl-redhat.com rhl-redhat.com has address 64.94.110.11 $ host blablablubber.com blablablubber.com has address 64.94.110.11 $ ping 64.94.110.11 PING 64.94.110.11 (64.94.110.11) from 192.168.101.10 : 56(84) bytes of data. --- 64.94.110.11 ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% loss, time 4999ms $ nmap -P0 64.94.110.11 Starting nmap 3.27 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on sitefinder-idn.verisign.com (64.94.110.11): (The 1616 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) Port State Service 23/tcp filtered telnet 25/tcp open smtp 79/tcp filtered finger 80/tcp filtered http 161/tcp filtered snmp 162/tcp filtered snmptrap 514/tcp filtered shell Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 20.218 seconds -- shrek-m From garrett at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 19:13:54 2003 From: garrett at redhat.com (Garrett LeSage) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:13:54 -0400 Subject: Version naming In-Reply-To: <1063657871.22284.17.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <200309130712.h8D7Cbo28402@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F62F449.3020203@tuins.ac.jp> <3F65DA90.8000901@redhat.com> <1063657871.22284.17.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <3F6760F2.9000500@redhat.com> Nils Philippsen wrote: >a thing I wanted to ask you for quite some time (but never got around to >doing it) is: What equipment do you use for taking your pictures -- a >digicam, SLR -> print -> scanner, SLR -> slide/negative -> film scanner? >The strong colors of your pictures are awesome! > >I usually take slides and scan them with my Minolta Dim?ge Scan Dual >(yes the one without SANE backend :-() and am a bit disappointed by the >kinda "washed out" colors I get in the end (even with gamma correction, >various ImageMagick and GIMP trickery applied afterwards). > >TIA for any hints, >Nils > > I use a Canon D60 (a digital SLR camera). Lots of people compare the saturation of colors and the general "feel" of the photos to those shot with slide film. You can see more of my photography at http://linuxart.com/ (although, I have a bunch that's not on the site at the moment, due to disk space limitations). Garrett From jdy at cs.brown.edu Tue Sep 16 19:18:18 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:18:18 -0400 Subject: swsusp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:01:05 BST." <20030916180105.GD8764@redhat.com> References: <20030916174255.GB1578@pua.nirvana> <20030916180105.GD8764@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030916191818.44E973F4E@null.cs.brown.edu> > From: Dave Jones > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:42:55PM +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Would you consider shaping the patch > > for the rawhide kernel? > > There are a few more nice surprises in line for the kernel currently in > rawhide, but swsusp isn't one of them. Please? Pretty Please? :-) Joel From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 21:15:32 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:15:32 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from johnsonm@redhat.com on Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:52:03PM -0400 References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030916171532.A18569@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 12:52:03PM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > One other thing: the way things are looking, we'll probably get > the updated site up early next week instead of late this week, This time, we got the site changed a bit earlier. It now says: o We will update our web site with the new name and new schedule by the Monday the 22nd of September, weather permitting. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Tue Sep 16 21:25:06 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:25:06 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:46:48 BST." <20030915234648.GA32543@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309162125.XAA14047@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> Hi, davej at redhat.com said: > Still ironing out some wrinkles. Let me know if 2049 fares any better. I'm happy to report that heroes3 works fine again with 2049. I observe the same behaviour as Julio Sanchez mentioned, i.e. it works for all settings of exec-shield except 2. Good job, thanks a bunch. :-) Now, if anyone could kindly explain why it works with exec-shield == 3 (always-enabled) and dies with exec-shield == 2 (default enabled, except binaries that disable it)... That doesn't make sense to me. On the downside, kohan is still a dead duck, but that is no big surprise: it was a dead duck in RH 9 too. My kids' computer is running kohan fine in RH 9, but I think I did not patch kohan with the updates provided on Loki's site on that machine. I'll have to try to reinstall from the CD, and see what happens... Thanks again, Christian From drepper at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 22:01:27 2003 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:01:27 -0700 Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: <200309162125.XAA14047@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> References: <200309162125.XAA14047@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> Message-ID: <3F678837.9090300@redhat.com> Christian Iseli wrote: > Now, if anyone could kindly explain why it works with exec-shield == 3 > (always-enabled) and dies with exec-shield == 2 (default enabled, except > binaries that disable it)... That doesn't make sense to me. Well, only 0, 1, and 2 are valid value. Your use of 3 is the same as 0. So no wonder it works if 0 works. -- --------------. ,-. 444 Castro Street Ulrich Drepper \ ,-----------------' \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA Red Hat `--' drepper at redhat.com `--------------------------- From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Tue Sep 16 22:10:34 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:10:34 +0200 Subject: gnome-terminal updates? Message-ID: <3F67A67A.30984.145E5D@localhost> Hi, Just wondering if we can expect updates for gnome-terminal to 2.4.0 any day soon. I want to file a bug on scrolling uglyness in gnome-terminal, but I thought I'd wait for 2.4.0 and check if the problem still exists before actually filing a bug. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 16 22:24:47 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:24:47 -0400 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> Message-ID: <3F678DAF.9030907@insight.rr.com> > The kernel is hard coded to disable numlock on startup. Years > back when this annoyed me as I wanted numlock to default to the > BIOS defined setting as well, I was told on the linux-kernel > mailing list that the kernel defaulted to disabling numlock so > that Linus' laptop came up ready to type, rather than having > numlock enabled and having to turn it off in order to type. Since laptops are becoming more common, I think that numlocks off is the best default setting. Also, for a left-handed person, as myself, the numbers pad is not frequently used. I like the setting off. If you are doing a lot of working with numbers, it is not too dificult to hit the numlock key. For a laptop user, with combo keys, they would be typing things like 150 for jim and 35n4x for linux. It is more sane to keep the option set to off. Jim (n6t 150) > > I don't know if that is the true reason or not, but that's what I > was told years ago. Needless to say, it annoyed me, so I patched > keyboard.c in 2.2.x to force numlock to come on unconditionally, > which is how I wanted it to be. That worked great for forcing > all of the default VCs to have numlock turned on by default, and > IMHO is a more sane default setting, as the majority of users > have keyboards with separate cursor keys and numpad, so it makes > sense IMHO to boot up with both cursor keys AND numbers ready to > type, rather than 2 sets of cursor and navigation keys by > default. > > IMHO, defaulting to the BIOS default state would be best, and > second to that defaulting to numlock on. However, I have no > faith that the upstream kernel would ever change the current > default, or it'd have been done years ago by now. I'm sure every > possible argument in either direction have all been completely > exhausted long ago, including my own above. ;o) > > Off the top of my head, I don't recall if XFree86 defaults to > enabling numlock, disabling numlock, or leaving numlock to the > default state it was in the tty X was started from. I'd have to > doublecheck to be sure. > > So, without modifying the kernel and/or X server, you'll have to > run setleds, or xset for X. I dunno if the kernel guys are open > to the idea of patching the kernel to be sane for numlock by > default or not, but I'd consider doing it for X, especially if > someone else writes the patch and submits it in bugzilla. ;o) > > > -- We may hope that machines will eventually compete with men in all purely intellectual fields. But which are the best ones to start with? Many people think that a very abstract activity, like the playing of chess, would be best. It can also be maintained that it is best to provide the machine with the best sense organs that money can buy, and then teach it to understand and speak English. -- Alan M. Turing From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 16 22:33:32 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:33:32 -0600 Subject: serious redundancy in bugzilla regarding betas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063751612.5118.7.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> More than likely those entries are there from the past and can not be removed unless a) all things linked to it in the database are gone. b) a complete rebuild of the database is done without those entries and changing past entries to something else. On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 03:50, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Before "Severn" and the plans on the RHLP, there had been > > > > Red Hat Linux > > Red Hat Public Beta > > Red Hat Raw Hide > > > > and a hidden "Red Hat Linux Beta" for the members of the non-public > > beta program. This has changed. Now there is only: > > > > Red Hat Linux > > Red Hat Linux Beta > > Red Hat Raw Hide > > perhaps i'm misunderstanding, but there is *also* a "Red Hat Public Beta" > still listed -- i'm looking at it right now. > > or did you mean that there's only *supposed* to be the list you gave? > in any case, yes, some reorganization seems to be in order. > > rday > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 22:40:10 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:40:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: exec-shield (was: Re: Problem with Loki games on Severn) Message-ID: Ulrich Drepper wrote: > Christian Iseli wrote: > > > Now, if anyone could kindly explain why it works with exec-shield == 3 > > (always-enabled) and dies with exec-shield == 2 (default enabled, > except binaries that disable it)... That doesn't make sense to me. > > Well, only 0, 1, and 2 are valid value. Your use of 3 is the same as 0. > So no wonder it works if 0 works. So to avoid confusion, what do 0, 1, and 2 mean? And what is exec-shield-randomize? And did you tell the people writing the next beta's release notes of these changes? While you are at it, you could update http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield/ANNOUNCE-exec-shield as well! Michael Young From Christian.Iseli at licr.org Tue Sep 16 22:49:22 2003 From: Christian.Iseli at licr.org (Christian Iseli) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:49:22 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Problem with Loki games on Severn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:01:27 PDT." <3F678837.9090300@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309162249.AAA22234@ludwig-sun1.unil.ch> drepper at redhat.com said: > Well, only 0, 1, and 2 are valid value. Your use of 3 is the same as 0. > So no wonder it works if 0 works. Ah, I see. Thanks. I guess the info here: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield/ANNOUNCE-exec-shield is a bit outdated: --- There is a new boot-time kernel command line option called exec-shield=, which has 4 values. Each value represents a different level of security: exec-shield=0 - always-disabled exec-shield=1 - default disabled, except binaries that enable it exec-shield=2 - default enabled, except binaries that disable it exec-shield=3 - always-enabled the current patch defaults to 'exec-shield=2'. The security level can also be changed runtime, by writing the level into /proc: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield --- I noticed the current default value is actualy 1. Do the 0, 1, and 2 level still have the above meaning ? Regards, Christian From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Sep 16 22:51:55 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:51:55 -0500 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <3F678DAF.9030907@insight.rr.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> <3F678DAF.9030907@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1063752715.4207.51.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 17:24, Jim Cornette wrote: > > The kernel is hard coded to disable numlock on startup. Years > > back when this annoyed me as I wanted numlock to default to the > > BIOS defined setting as well, I was told on the linux-kernel > > mailing list that the kernel defaulted to disabling numlock so > > that Linus' laptop came up ready to type, rather than having > > numlock enabled and having to turn it off in order to type. > > Since laptops are becoming more common, I think that numlocks off is the > best default setting. Also, for a left-handed person, as myself, the > numbers pad is not frequently used. I like the setting off. > > If you are doing a lot of working with numbers, it is not too dificult > to hit the numlock key. For a laptop user, with combo keys, they would > be typing things like 150 for jim and 35n4x for linux. It is more sane > to keep the option set to off. > > Jim (n6t 150) My 2 cents: Your point about the laptop is a good argument against defaulting numlock to the "on" position. Nevertheless, that is still preventing the user/owner of the computer from making the determination. The best method is to have a config file setting, such as numlock=on|off|bios IMHO. Where could this setting be located? inittab? this might necessitate additional syntax of some sort to distinguish between setting the led's in the various run-levels &/or VC's. rc.local script? XF86Config? initial setting would apply to all users until overridden by ~/.dmrc .dmrc? some combination/hierarchy? xset is not appropriate for this, I believe, because of the variation in how the led's are interpreted from one machine to another. On my Sony Z1A laptop, for instance, the only led that can be controlled by xset is the scroll-lock (xset led 3). The other values 1-32 have no discernible effect: #!/bin/sh i=1 while [ $i -lt 33 ] do echo "Trying LED $i" xset led $i sleep 2 xset -led $i i=$(( $i+1 )) done -paul From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 16 22:57:36 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:57:36 -0400 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <1063683685.5443.96.camel@one.myworld> References: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> <1063683685.5443.96.camel@one.myworld> Message-ID: <3F679560.6040806@insight.rr.com> F?liciano Matias wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 05:02, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia >>modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put >>into the grub.conf file? >> > > > AFAIK there is no kernel option to disable pcmcia. > Try : > - chkconfig pcmcia off > - rpm -e kernel-pcmcia. > - add "alias pcmcia_core off" to /etc/modules.conf. > - move /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o in > /tmp. > > I don't know if those tricks work. > Hope this help. > Thanks for the thoughts. I guess the problem is with interactions between kernel-pcmcia and with the latest rawhide kernel-2.4.22-1.2044.nptl.athlon and also with the previous kernel version kernel-2.4.22-1.2040.nptl.athlon Kernel version -- kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl works perfectly and the following rawhide version worked with pcmcia, but had lockup and/or long delay problems with mozilla. To Dave Jones: >What kernel version ? Ever since the number versioning change. This probably isn't the reason, unless pcmcia-kernel is looking for this particular numbering scheme from the past. both my current kernel version kernel-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl and Arjan's kernel-2.6.0-0.test3.1.31 work alright. It is only the latter. >Try booting with pci=noacpi I'll try that to see if it gets the newer kernels to boot properly. Thanks! I would much rather have it work without the editing, but I want to be able to test out mozilla to see if this lockup or slowdown is still with the later kernel versions. Jim -- Your business will assume vast proportions. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 16 23:05:56 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:05:56 -0400 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <1063718690.4207.19.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> <1063683685.5443.96.camel@one.myworld> <1063718690.4207.19.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <3F679754.8050601@insight.rr.com> Paul Morgan wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 22:41, F??liciano Matias wrote: > >>On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 05:02, Jim Cornette wrote: >> >>>I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia >>>modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put >>>into the grub.conf file? >>> >> >>AFAIK there is no kernel option to disable pcmcia. >>Try : >>- chkconfig pcmcia off >>- rpm -e kernel-pcmcia. >>- add "alias pcmcia_core off" to /etc/modules.conf. >>- move /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o in >>/tmp. >> >>I don't know if those tricks work. >>Hope this help. > > > There have been three times that I have had the kernel boot hang on > pcmcia startup (once each with 8, 9, and rawhide). To workaround, I > booted to single-user mode and did a `chkconfig pcmcia off` then booted > normally. From bash, I then did a `service pcmcia start` which would > hang, of course, but a CTRL-C broke out of it. Mysteriously, the pc card > actually started and I was able to `chkconfig pcmcia on`. I don't > remember the circumstances around these events, but it seems I suspected > the pc card had not been shutdown correctly (laptop battery went dead, > etc.). > > HTH. -paul > On our linux users group, COLUG. There was mention about Red Hat using APM to control pcmcia devices, instead of chkconfig. This was only briefly talked about. I was hoping that it went on further. I was able to chkconfig with my brief try with gentoo, but never so far with Red Hat. How would APM and pcmcia services be linked or similar? Maybe that is why the subject died off on the local group. Jim -- Happiness is good health and a bad memory. -- Ingrid Bergman From sflory at rackable.com Tue Sep 16 23:11:16 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:11:16 -0700 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <1063723919.20653.1.camel@albert> References: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> <1063720457.1502.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <1063723919.20653.1.camel@albert> Message-ID: <3F679894.3000907@rackable.com> Maynard Kuona wrote: > Don't use KDE much, but I think more people need to Beta Test KDE for it > to be better in Redhat. Maybe its just me, but I think that much more > people here test using GNOME instead. > I've been using KDE on Severn for at least 3 weeks. I've not had any issues. My only issues have been mozilla, and open office related. These were cleared up by installing the latest mozilla, and Open Office rcs in /usr/local, and upgrading to the 2.6 kernel. -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 23:59:19 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <3F679754.8050601@insight.rr.com> from "Jim Cornette" at Med 16, 2003 07:05:56 Message-ID: <200309162359.h8GNxJs23428@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > >>>I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia > >>>modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put > >>>into the grub.conf file? "nopcmcia" Info on the system would be good too From bikehead at amberpoint.com Wed Sep 17 00:10:59 2003 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Brian G. Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:10:59 -0700 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <1063729517.30326.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063729517.30326.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <3F67A693.2090601@amberpoint.com> What tools do you use and how did you set th drive up? I have a sony DRU-500A and I can only write DVD-R with cdrecord-proDVD. No luck with using cdrecord (or even cdrecord-proDVD) to write CD-R. Florin Andrei wrote: >On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 08:19, Elton Woo wrote: > > >>Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. >>http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?ProductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 >> >>Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? >> >> > >Works for me. I've been able to write CD-R, DVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD+RW >(didn't try DVD+W). Everything done under Linux. > > > -- __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 00:34:14 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:34:14 -0400 Subject: exec-shield (was: Re: Problem with Loki games on Severn) In-Reply-To: ; from m.a.young@durham.ac.uk on Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:40:10PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20030916203414.A30333@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:40:10PM +0100, M A Young wrote: > So to avoid confusion, what do 0, 1, and 2 mean? And what is > exec-shield-randomize? And did you tell the people writing the next beta's > release notes of these changes? While you are at it, you could update > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield/ANNOUNCE-exec-shield > as well! Well, Ulrich can't update Ingo's personal web page. exec-shield-randomize defaults to on, and randomizes some addresses to make attacks harder. Unfortunately, for people trying to debugging and reproduce problems, it can make debugging harder, so this allows you to turn off the randomization but leave the rest of exec-shield in place. 1 is default: ELF binaries with PT_GNU_STACK (essentially, built with tools that are aware of exec-shield) have a new VM layout; those with the PF_X bit set will have an executable stack. All other binaries get no change from default (say, Loki games...). 0 entirely disables all the effects of exec-shield, including exec-shield-randomize. 2 enables every exec-shield unconditionally (modulo exec-shield-randomize) regardless of the type of executable loaded. This WILL break programs, and is generally discouraged, but you've got enough rope to hang yourself and break your Loki games. :-) I think I got the essentials right there. :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 00:36:37 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: exec-shield (was: Re: Problem with Loki games on Severn) In-Reply-To: <20030916203414.A30333@devserv.devel.redhat.com> from "Michael K. Johnson" at Med 16, 2003 08:34:14 Message-ID: <200309170036.h8H0abg01793@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > exec-shield-randomize defaults to on, and randomizes some addresses > to make attacks harder. Unfortunately, for people trying to debugging This seems to be what makes Evolution crash randomly on start up for me btw.. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Sep 17 00:48:51 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:48:51 +0200 Subject: Downloading with mozilla In-Reply-To: <1063475218.8339.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1063475218.8339.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1063759730.1700.0.camel@one.myworld.> Le sam 13/09/2003 ? 19:46, F?liciano Matias a ?crit : > Someone else can confirm this bug with the latest RawHide : > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104275 I found the problem. Mozilla (the browser) need mozilla-mail to download files. -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From dsavage at peaknet.net Wed Sep 17 02:25:33 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:25:33 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <200309021442.38614.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200309021442.38614.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1063765533.6550.4.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:42, HoytDuff wrote: > > > Red Hat Linux 10 Unleashed, Chapter 26, Multimedia Applications > > Hoyt, Ah... What's wrong with this picture?? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Sep 17 02:59:38 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:59:38 -0400 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <1063752715.4207.51.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> <3F678DAF.9030907@insight.rr.com> <1063752715.4207.51.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <3F67CE1A.2080303@insight.rr.com> Paul Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 17:24, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>>The kernel is hard coded to disable numlock on startup. Years >>>back when this annoyed me as I wanted numlock to default to the >>>BIOS defined setting as well, I was told on the linux-kernel >>>mailing list that the kernel defaulted to disabling numlock so >>>that Linus' laptop came up ready to type, rather than having >>>numlock enabled and having to turn it off in order to type. >> >>Since laptops are becoming more common, I think that numlocks off is the >>best default setting. Also, for a left-handed person, as myself, the >>numbers pad is not frequently used. I like the setting off. >> >>If you are doing a lot of working with numbers, it is not too dificult >>to hit the numlock key. For a laptop user, with combo keys, they would >>be typing things like 150 for jim and 35n4x for linux. It is more sane >>to keep the option set to off. >> >>Jim (n6t 150) > > > My 2 cents: > > Your point about the laptop is a good argument against defaulting > numlock to the "on" position. Nevertheless, that is still preventing the > user/owner of the computer from making the determination. > > The best method is to have a config file setting, such as > numlock=on|off|bios IMHO. > > Where could this setting be located? > > inittab? this might necessitate additional syntax of some sort to > distinguish between setting the led's in the various run-levels &/or > VC's. > > rc.local script? > > XF86Config? initial setting would apply to all users until overridden by > ~/.dmrc > > .dmrc? > > some combination/hierarchy? > > xset is not appropriate for this, I believe, because of the variation in > how the led's are interpreted from one machine to another. On my Sony > Z1A laptop, for instance, the only led that can be controlled by xset is > the scroll-lock (xset led 3). The other values 1-32 have no discernible > effect: > > #!/bin/sh > i=1 > while [ $i -lt 33 ] > do > echo "Trying LED $i" > xset led $i > sleep 2 > xset -led $i > i=$(( $i+1 )) > > -paul > Maybe adding this function into the graphical boot loader or into one of the scripts for each individual user. This choice probably ought to be versatile enough to fit for all system users preferences. rc.local is a pretty good location but would effect all users. If we want another redhat-config-whatever, I think that redhat-config-keyboard would be a good tool to start working on. This might be good for multi-language and multi-keyboard layout configuration, as well as default numlocks, caplocks, etc settings. Any volunteers? Jim -- A bachelor is a selfish, undeserving guy who has cheated some woman out of a divorce. -- Don Quinn From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Sep 17 03:26:26 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:26:26 -0400 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <3F679894.3000907@rackable.com> References: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> <1063723919.20653.1.camel@albert> <3F679894.3000907@rackable.com> Message-ID: <200309162326.27236.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 16, 2003 07:11 pm, Samuel Flory Samuel Flory wrote: > I've been using KDE on Severn for at least 3 weeks. I've not had > any issues. My only issues In that case, kindly have a look at the following bug reports: New: KDE Control Center does not build Help Index https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104478 ... and ... New: unable to set kernel configuration via KDE Control center https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104479 cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Sep 17 03:53:22 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:53:22 -0400 Subject: severn kde useless In-Reply-To: <1063723919.20653.1.camel@albert> References: <200309160806.33442.nbecker@hns.com> <1063720457.1502.9.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <1063723919.20653.1.camel@albert> Message-ID: <3F67DAB2.4080605@insight.rr.com> Maynard Kuona wrote: > Don't use KDE much, but I think more people need to Beta Test KDE for it > to be better in Redhat. Maybe its just me, but I think that much more > people here test using GNOME instead. > I have to use KDE for one of my two beta machines. It is orking out alright for the machine that wil not load GNOME yet. (screen message says something about a tmp file, ORBIT or someting needing root permission. I still haven't figured out this one. Personally,I thought that KDE looked too XPish for my tastes before the bluecurve project. I also thought that KDE looked too cartoonish with their ICON's. With the RH work, it feels close to GNOME for me. I still prefer GNOME. It is great to have both GNOME and KDE included and to have the feel of both to be similar enough to allow using one for another one's failure to not be so chalenging. It might be "useless" for some users, but it is better to have KDE as a heavily featured "failsafe" window manager. Jim -- The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Sep 17 03:55:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:55:30 -0400 Subject: nspluginviewer causes segfault (signal 11) Message-ID: <200309162355.30786.elwoo@videotron.ca> (no debugging symbols found)...Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". (no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... 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(no debugging symbols found)...0x40000c02 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #0 0x40000c02 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x40f06413 in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x40640c82 in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #3 #4 0x41a1864c in Arts::StartupManager::startup() () from /usr/lib/libmcop.so.1 #5 0x419fe9e9 in Arts::Dispatcher::Dispatcher(Arts::IOManager*, Arts::Dispatcher::StartServer) () from /usr/lib/libmcop.so.1 #6 0x41719ae9 in arts_backend_init () from /usr/lib/libartscbackend.so.0 #7 0x4001b776 in arts_init () from /usr/lib/libartsc.so.0 #8 0x40016f75 in open () from /usr/lib/libartsdsp.so.0 #9 0x41454985 in PlatformSoundMix::UnlockAudioCallback () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #10 0x41454ba5 in UnixSoundOSS::Open () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #11 0x41454171 in PlatformSoundMix::OpenDevice () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #12 0x41453e8d in PlatformSoundMix::PlatformConstruct () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #13 0x413d4135 in CoreSoundMix::Construct () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #14 0x4141c3de in CoreGlobals::Init () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #15 0x413f37c9 in CorePlayer::CorePlayer () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #16 0x414293e5 in UnixCommonPlayer::UnixCommonPlayer () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #17 0x4145c954 in PlatformPlayer::PlatformPlayer () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #18 0x4146197e in NPP_New () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #19 0x41460438 in Private_New () from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so #20 0x0806c821 in NSPluginClass::newInstance(QString, QString, bool, QStringList, QStringList, QString, QString) () #21 0x0807148b in NSPluginClassIface::process(QCString const&, QMemArray const&, QCString&, QMemArray&) () #22 0x406fd0fd in DCOPClient::receive(QCString const&, QCString const&, QCString const&, QMemArray const&, QCString&, QMemArray&) () from /usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4 #23 0x406f691d in DCOPClient::processPostedMessagesInternal() () from /usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4 #24 0x406f62ce in DCOPClient::dcopServerFileOld(QCString const&) () from /usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4 #25 0x407071c6 in KDE_IceProcessMessages () from /usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4 #26 0x406fe16b in DCOPClient::processSocketData(int) () from /usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4 Can someone else kindly verify this? Konqueror segfaults when loading this URL: http://www.open-mag.com/0846339824.shtml The article is entitiled "Escaping Syberia" by Jack Fegreus (September 15, 2003) N.B. This is *after* having recently installed the latest updates for the Severn channel... (about half an hour ago). Thanks, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Sep 17 04:10:48 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:10:48 -0400 Subject: no go with pcmcia and adding pci=noacpi to grub.conf Message-ID: <3F67DEC8.9010004@insight.rr.com> I added the argument to grub.conf for the latest kernel. PCMCIA is still a lockup condition with the newer kernels. All kernels previous to the kernel that was on the severn beta disc would also cause this problem. I'm basically wondering how this one particular kernel works and only the one after the severn riginal kernel version have made it to full boot, without locking up n pcmcia. Below is my grub.conf file. #boot=/dev/hda default=2 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Red Hat Linux (2.4.22-1.2049.nptl) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi pci=noacpi initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl.img title Red Hat Linux (2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi initrd /initrd-2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl.img title xp rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 Sorry for the wraparound for the lines. Jim -- The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Sep 17 05:08:57 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:08:57 -0400 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 15, 2003 11:04 pm, stephan schutter stephan schutter wrote: > I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there > not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. > AFAIK, there *isn't* one. Perhaps you should enter an RFE in bugzilla. cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mingo at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 05:52:24 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: exec-shield (was: Re: Problem with Loki games on Severn) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, M A Young wrote: > exec-shield-randomize? And did you tell the people writing the next > beta's release notes of these changes? While you are at it, you could > update http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield/ANNOUNCE-exec-shield > as well! i've added a pointer to the top of the document that points to the archives of this list. Ingo From mingo at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 06:06:45 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: evolution problems? In-Reply-To: <200309170036.h8H0abg01793@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > > exec-shield-randomize defaults to on, and randomizes some addresses > > to make attacks harder. Unfortunately, for people trying to debugging > > This seems to be what makes Evolution crash randomly on start up for me > btw.. i cannot reproduce this - i wrote a script that started Evolution up a 100 times but no crash. there's one quirk i found: evolution-wombat has to be killall-ed before startup, otherwise the startup would hang in various way if the next startup happens earlier than evolution-wombat exits. (it seems evolution-wombat exit is not fully synchronized with the evolution exit mechanism and if the startup of the next evolution instance overlaps then bad stuff happens.) This behavior happens with exec-shield off as well. evolution-1.4.4-6, kernel-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl. Ingo From ckloiber at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 06:36:19 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:36:19 -0400 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <1063736793.22955.13.camel@soybean> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063729517.30326.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1063736793.22955.13.camel@soybean> Message-ID: <1063780579.14104.20.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 14:26, Jason Baietto wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 12:25, Florin Andrei wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 08:19, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Sony Dru-510A DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive. > > > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UJgg7nI4XwQgp01dhxkq5T03jJAcryndBY0=?ProductID=mgsKC0%2eNy4oAAAD34eUwZZM0 > > > > > > Is anyone using this with linux? comments, please? > > > > Works for me. I've been able to write CD-R, DVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD+RW > > (didn't try DVD+W). Everything done under Linux. > > Just a quick question: have you had success erasing and then re-burning > DVD+/-RWs with the 510A? If so, which of the many forks of > cdrtools/cdrecord are you using? :-) You only format DVD?RW disks once when you buy it. I use the command: # dvd+rw-format /dev/scd1 (My system at work has a regular CD-RW and the DVD?RW) When I reuse the DVD+RW, growisofs is smart enough to overwrite what's there without formatting again. Reformatting is discouraged as it represents another burn. Remember these disk can be written only about 1000 times. To reformat each time cuts it's life in about half. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From mharris at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 08:42:46 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <3F6718EA.6050501@cypress.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> <3F6718EA.6050501@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: >> So, without modifying the kernel and/or X server, you'll have to >> run setleds, or xset for X. I dunno if the kernel guys are open >> to the idea of patching the kernel to be sane for numlock by >> default or not, but I'd consider doing it for X, especially if > >I've seen several application misbehave when num-lock is on. >A big one form me is HP's SmarTest. Its's motif based. It's the UI for a >some test equipment, that I use for testing SRAM (single, dual, and quad >ports, FIFOs , and even some CPLDs). I often display it remotely to my >Linux and Solaris machines. It won't work correctly if numlock is on, on >either machine. That's not an argument against having numlock enabled by default, but rather an argument to file bug reports to HP's engineering team for the faulty product. >Sure, it's a bug in the application, but not one I can fix. HP is very >slow to fix bugs, and the fixes usually require the purchase of a new >version. Are you suggesting that Linux development and user friendliness be held up waiting for commercial vendors to update broken software? >I've seen similar behavior in other apps on Solaris. So there are valid >reason not to have numlock on. I've seen a few apps on Solaris that use >the numpad keys as numbers when numlock is off too. As I recal, they >didn't behave well when numlock was on. Wrong. You set defaults to be for the general case. People using the faulty software can apply workarounds/reconfigure around the bugs in their software. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 08:51:41 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Elton Woo wrote: >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:08:57 -0400 >From: Elton Woo >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: joysick... > >On September 15, 2003 11:04 pm, stephan schutter stephan schutter > wrote: >> I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there >> not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. >> >AFAIK, there *isn't* one. Perhaps you should enter an RFE in bugzilla. It's highly unlikely that Red Hat would develop a Joystick calibration tool internally and assign engineering manhour resources to such. If there is an OSS joystick calibration tool already in existance which can be investigated for potential inclusion, feel free to suggest it in bugzilla, but if no such tool already exists, it would be more a waste of time to submit such a request. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Sep 17 09:23:08 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:23:08 +0200 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <1063752715.4207.51.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> <3F678DAF.9030907@insight.rr.com> <1063752715.4207.51.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <3F6827FC.1000302@gmx.de> Paul Morgan wrote: >The best method is to have a config file setting, such as >numlock=on|off|bios IMHO. > >Where could this setting be located? > $ cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard KEYBOARDTYPE="pc" KEYTABLE="de-latin1-nodeadkeys" when numlock is enabled in vmware and disabled in redhat the numlock-status will change while you move the mouse over vmware. there might be a possibility to enable a user-defined setting. evtl. $ man xmodmap $xev KeyPress event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0x2400001, root 0x6e, subw 0x0, time 7151625, (363,438), root:(368,460), state 0x10, keycode 77 (keysym 0xff7f, Num_Lock), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" -- shrek-m From cn at centurytel.net Wed Sep 17 10:51:33 2003 From: cn at centurytel.net (Chris Negus) Date: 17 Sep 2003 03:51:33 -0700 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <1063795894.28255.2652.camel@duck.digidread.com> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 20:04, stephan schutter wrote: > I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there > not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. You might try the joystick package (on CD #1). I used jstest to calibrate a joystick. Seems you need to do this to get it to work: modprobe joydev modprobe ns558 modprobe analog Use this command to calibrate: jstest /dev/js0 Then just adjust it and test your buttons. I don't know much about joysticks, so I don't know if you are looking for a way to configure it beyond that. -- Chris Negus From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Sep 17 10:27:55 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:27:55 +0200 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <20030917102755.GA9731@orient.maison> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 10:04:31PM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > > I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there > not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. The joystick package comes with jstest, a command-line program that will test your joystick. Emmanuel From kjb at dds.nl Wed Sep 17 10:59:59 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: 17 Sep 2003 12:59:59 +0200 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1063796398.6647.5.camel@topicus6> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:08, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 15, 2003 11:04 pm, stephan schutter stephan schutter > wrote: > > I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there > > not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. > > > AFAIK, there *isn't* one. Perhaps you should enter an RFE in bugzilla. I've not needed one too; I think the kernel joystick driver does auto-calibration, so even with an old analog stick it works after loading the driver. Maybe that can be done automatically? -- Klaasjan Brand From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 11:19:17 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: evolution problems? In-Reply-To: from "Ingo Molnar" at Med 17, 2003 02:06:45 Message-ID: <200309171119.h8HBJHE08941@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > This seems to be what makes Evolution crash randomly on start up for me > > btw.. > > i cannot reproduce this - i wrote a script that started Evolution up a 100 > times but no crash. It crashes on about 1/3rd of start ups for me but this is with a 200,000 message mail collection and existing stuff. A vanilla empty new user mail doesnt crash. Annoyingly exec shield off is the "no crash" not the "crash" path > there's one quirk i found: evolution-wombat has to be killall-ed before > startup, otherwise the startup would hang in various way if the next > startup happens earlier than evolution-wombat exits. (it seems > evolution-wombat exit is not fully synchronized with the evolution exit > mechanism and if the startup of the next evolution instance overlaps then > bad stuff happens.) This behavior happens with exec-shield off as well. I've not restarted it fast enough for that - sounds more than credible. One for bugzilla.gnome.org From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 11:23:36 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1063765533.6550.4.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> from "Robert G. (Doc) Savage" at Med 16, 2003 09:25:33 Message-ID: <200309171123.h8HBNal11190@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:42, HoytDuff wrote: > > > > > > Red Hat Linux 10 Unleashed, Chapter 26, Multimedia Applications > > > > > > Hoyt, > > Ah... What's wrong with this picture?? Mplayer probably isnt shippable in the USA. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Sep 17 11:40:45 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:40:45 -0500 Subject: Numlock In-Reply-To: <3F6827FC.1000302@gmx.de> References: <1063647488.4121.11.camel@Linux1> <1063652122.18549.71.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063653922.18549.81.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <1063659748.2942.55.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <3F665EAA.2010209@chuckiechanboys.com> <3F678DAF.9030907@insight.rr.com> <1063752715.4207.51.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <3F6827FC.1000302@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1063798845.4207.53.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 04:23, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Paul Morgan wrote: > > >The best method is to have a config file setting, such as > >numlock=on|off|bios IMHO. > > > >Where could this setting be located? > > > > $ cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard > KEYBOARDTYPE="pc" > KEYTABLE="de-latin1-nodeadkeys" > > good point-why overlook the obvious? From nbecker at hns.com Wed Sep 17 12:03:51 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:03:51 -0400 Subject: delegation-only patch for bind - please consider this! Message-ID: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Sep 17 12:19:54 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: delegation-only patch for bind - please consider this! In-Reply-To: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html Agreed. It's Bug #104569 if you want to track it.... later, chris From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 12:23:53 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:23:53 +0300 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? Message-ID: For any readers of this POST! Read the mplayer site news, you can find them at www.mplayerhq.hu ... Suse added MPlayer to their distro, and they shouldn't have done this ... Read it, it's quite interesting ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From mingo at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 12:50:38 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: evolution problems? In-Reply-To: <200309171119.h8HBJHE08941@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > It crashes on about 1/3rd of start ups for me but this is with a 200,000 > message mail collection and existing stuff. A vanilla empty new user > mail doesnt crash. > > Annoyingly exec shield off is the "no crash" not the "crash" path ok - does it crash with exec-shield-randomize disabled alone? Ingo From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 12:53:38 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> Botoaca Andrei said: > For any readers of this POST! Read the mplayer site news, you can find > them > at www.mplayerhq.hu ... > Suse added MPlayer to their distro, and they shouldn't have done this ... > > Read it, it's quite interesting ... Yes, it is interesting that someone that claims to be against software patents is threating to patent their software... "I (A'rpi) want to ask all of those distributions to consider dropping MPlayer packages completely instead of shipping unusable crippled files! Our motto: if you can't do it right, you better don't do it at all! Users can still download the sources and compile them at their own responsibilty. We do know the legal issues well, but since the whole multimedia industry is completely covered by various patents, it's impossible to create a decent free multimedia player without breaking most of these patents. I'm even considering patenting my A-V sync algorithms used in MPlayer G2, to prevent unwanted crippled distribution of the next generation code, but I hope they will recognize their fault in time, and I won't have to do so." Back on topic, I see this as a request by the one of the authors for Red Hat not to ship their software. -- William Hooper From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 13:13:48 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:13:48 -0400 Subject: no go with pcmcia and adding pci=noacpi to grub.conf In-Reply-To: <3F67DEC8.9010004@insight.rr.com>; from redhat-jc@insight.rr.com on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:10:48AM -0400 References: <3F67DEC8.9010004@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030917091348.A12697@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:10:48AM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > I'm basically wondering how this one particular kernel works and only > the one after the severn riginal kernel version have made it to full > boot, without locking up n pcmcia. Below is my grub.conf file. Well, it had ACPI and the others you mention did not. You could try "acpi=on" with the latest kernel (we had to change the default because ACPI still broke too many systems) and see if that works... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Sep 17 13:51:23 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:51:23 -0600 Subject: evolution problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063806683.6978.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 00:06, Ingo Molnar wrote: > there's one quirk i found: evolution-wombat has to be killall-ed before > startup, otherwise the startup would hang in various way if the next > startup happens earlier than evolution-wombat exits. (it seems > evolution-wombat exit is not fully synchronized with the evolution exit > mechanism and if the startup of the next evolution instance overlaps then > bad stuff happens.) This behavior happens with exec-shield off as well. > > evolution-1.4.4-6, kernel-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl. > > Ingo I just reloaded the beta and all of the updates last night. What I've noticed is that killing Evolution with the X causes it to hang on the next startup. Using File --> Quit causes a normal exit. I haven't had time to change the defaults for exec-shield, so they are what should be in the original settings. Hopefully that sheds some light on the problem. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From kaboom at gatech.edu Wed Sep 17 13:52:42 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Bug 104569] rfe: support for "delegation-only" (fwd) Message-ID: And it's already added! thanks, chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:46:58 -0400 From: bugzilla at redhat.com To: kaboom at gatech.edu Subject: [Bug 104569] rfe: support for "delegation-only" Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104569 dwalsh at redhat.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution| |RAWHIDE Status|NEW |CLOSED ------- Additional Comments From dwalsh at redhat.com 2003-09-17 09:46 ------- Added the patch in bind-9.2.2-23. Should be in rawhide soon. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Sep 17 13:54:00 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:54:00 -0600 Subject: Address Sync Tungsten T fails Message-ID: <1063806840.6978.16.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> I have a problem syncing my Tungsten T on the latest refresh of the beta. Several conduits seem to kill the whole kit & kaboodle. The EAddress conduit will do exactly 24 records and then fail. I also have occasional problems with the other pilot conduits to. My cradle is connected to the USB port and I have linked /dev/pilot to /dev/ttyUSB0. My wife has an older Palm M515 that works perfectly. Ideas? Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From mharris at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 13:57:30 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, William Hooper wrote: >Botoaca Andrei said: >> For any readers of this POST! Read the mplayer site news, you can find >> them >> at www.mplayerhq.hu ... >> Suse added MPlayer to their distro, and they shouldn't have done this ... >> >> Read it, it's quite interesting ... > >Yes, it is interesting that someone that claims to be against software >patents is threating to patent their software... > >"I (A'rpi) want to ask all of those distributions to consider dropping >MPlayer packages completely instead of shipping unusable crippled files! >Our motto: if you can't do it right, you better don't do it at all! Users >can still download the sources and compile them at their own >responsibilty. We do know the legal issues well, but since the whole >multimedia industry is completely covered by various patents, it's >impossible to create a decent free multimedia player without breaking most >of these patents. I'm even considering patenting my A-V sync algorithms >used in MPlayer G2, to prevent unwanted crippled distribution of the next >generation code, but I hope they will recognize their fault in time, and I >won't have to do so." > >Back on topic, I see this as a request by the one of the authors for Red >Hat not to ship their software. That shouldn't be hard to comply with since Red Hat does not ship mplayer and has not ever to my knowledge shipped mplayer. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 14:09:14 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1526.12.29.16.103.1063807754.squirrel@whooper.org> Mike A. Harris said: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, William Hooper wrote: >>Back on topic, I see this as a request by the one of the authors for Red >>Hat not to ship their software. > > That shouldn't be hard to comply with since Red Hat does not ship > mplayer and has not ever to my knowledge shipped mplayer. That's understood. This is a response to the "will it be included in the next beta" question. It also gives you a good response for any RFEs to add it. -- William Hooper From dwalsh at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 14:42:55 2003 From: dwalsh at redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:42:55 -0400 Subject: delegation-only patch for bind - please consider this! In-Reply-To: References: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3F6872EF.5030504@redhat.com> rpm was built this morning; should be coming to a rawhide near you tomorrow. bind-9.2.2-23 Dan Chris Ricker wrote: >On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > > >>http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html >> >> > >Agreed. It's Bug #104569 if you want to track it.... > >later, >chris > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at interplas.com Wed Sep 17 14:54:02 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:54:02 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <1526.12.29.16.103.1063807754.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <026901c37d2b$891ab340$9100000a@intgrp.com> Jef Spaleta wrote: (slipping into the thread here) > make it a point to encourage the adoption of open standards even in multimedia codecs. Jef Spaleta hit the nail on the head. The desktop should have ogg in your face ready to play a few sample ogg tunes. Also some nice eye candy video using an open codec. If the equivalent applications like musicmatch, cooledit, iTunes, movie editor/creator, dvd and tv capture card sotware,etc were all wrapped up into a awe gazing IDE-type application, then regular users would realize they can click a few times and start creating (even if it merely ripping) the content under the open codec. Different av formats (codecs) survive only because of the ease of the tools that create them. Don't waste energy conforming to the patented codecs. Present the killer apps that makes people want to start over with their digital content. People are willing to change. So, will this be ready in time for 10? hehehe -eric wood From dwalsh at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 15:22:15 2003 From: dwalsh at redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:22:15 -0400 Subject: delegation-only patch for bind - please consider this! In-Reply-To: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <3F687C27.2000101@redhat.com> The patched bind should be in rawhide by tomorrow. Dan Neal D. Becker wrote: >http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > From dennis at ausil.us Wed Sep 17 15:24:07 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:24:07 +1000 Subject: up2date bug? Message-ID: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> Hi, I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes an strace is Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... ######################################## Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... Fetching rpm headers... exploded!################### [{fd=5, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLHUP}], 3, -1) = 1 --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- waitpid(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 255], WNOHANG) = 4383 write(6, "", 0) = 0 write(6, "\21\0\0\0\37\21\0\0\0\377\0\0", 12) = 12 sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) read(3, "", 2048) = 0 ioctl(4, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 poll([{fd=5, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}], 2, -1) = 1 read(5, "\21\0\0\0\37\21\0\0\0\377\0\0", 12) = 12 open("/usr/share/locale/en_AU.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/share/locale/en_AU.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/share/locale/en_AU/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/share/locale/en.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/share/locale/en.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) write(4, "+\0\1\0", 4) = 4 read(4, "\1\0011\0\0\0\0\0\3\0@\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\240\v"..., 32) = 32 write(4, "\1\0\n\0\4\0 \3H\0\0\0\234\377\234\377\1\0\1\0\0\0\0\0"..., 92) = 92 exit_group(0) Any ideas? it is trying to update 369 packages. too much? should i manually d/l and install them? Regards Dennis From tom at syroidmanor.com Wed Sep 17 15:34:09 2003 From: tom at syroidmanor.com (Tom Syroid) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:34:09 -0600 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <1063780579.14104.20.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063729517.30326.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1063736793.22955.13.camel@soybean> <1063780579.14104.20.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> Message-ID: <6300000.1063812849@phaedrus.syroidmanor.com> Chris, I know this is a bit off-topic for this list, but... I recently purchased an HP dvd300i DVD+RW. I'm still learning and trying to get my head around the mechanics of writing to DVD's. 1. Is there a way (currently available) to write to a DVD as if it were a just another file system (eg, a HD)? I know this involves UDF, but beyond this, I'm lost. 2. Is there some good documentation out there on using growisofs? I've look at a couple pieces, both more confusing than clarifying. Appreciate any direction you can provide. Off-list is fine if I've veered too far astray. Best, /tom --On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 02:36:19 AM -0400 Chris Kloiber wrote: > (My system at work has a regular CD-RW and the DVD?RW) > > When I reuse the DVD+RW, growisofs is smart enough to overwrite what's > there without formatting again. Reformatting is discouraged as it > represents another burn. Remember these disk can be written only about > 1000 times. To reformat each time cuts it's life in about half. > > -- > Chris Kloiber > Red Hat, Inc. From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 15:50:25 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:50:25 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> William Hooper wrote: > Botoaca Andrei said: > >>For any readers of this POST! Read the mplayer site news, you can find >>them >>at www.mplayerhq.hu ... >>Suse added MPlayer to their distro, and they shouldn't have done this ... >> >>Read it, it's quite interesting ... > > > Yes, it is interesting that someone that claims to be against software > patents is threating to patent their software... > > "I (A'rpi) want to ask all of those distributions to consider dropping > MPlayer packages completely instead of shipping unusable crippled files! > Our motto: if you can't do it right, you better don't do it at all! Users > can still download the sources and compile them at their own > responsibilty. We do know the legal issues well, but since the whole > multimedia industry is completely covered by various patents, it's > impossible to create a decent free multimedia player without breaking most > of these patents. I'm even considering patenting my A-V sync algorithms > used in MPlayer G2, to prevent unwanted crippled distribution of the next > generation code, but I hope they will recognize their fault in time, and I > won't have to do so." Funny, I read it the other way: "..to prevent unwanted crippled distribution..." He doesn't want the package to be associated with the crippled functionality certain packagers have visited on mplayer, and is mulling what he can do. I appreciate his problem... -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Sep 17 15:55:02 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 17 Sep 2003 11:55:02 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? Message-ID: <1063814102.32351.8.camel@spatula> Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Funny, I read it the other way: "..to prevent unwanted crippled > distribution..." He doesn't want the package to be associated with the > crippled functionality certain packagers have visited on mplayer, and > is mulling what he can do. I appreciate his problem... I think someone on friendly terms with the mplayer author...should nudge 'em into looking at using trademark law as a tool...instead of patent law to coerse the behavior of the distributors who want to use as much mplayer technology as they can legally get away with. Software patent law is just frelling evil. But if there is a concerned about tarnishing the mplayer "brand" by redistribution of limited functional variants of the mplayer codebase...then maybe there is room via trademark law...to protect the mplayer project name...and still have room for Suse or whomever to take that freely redistributable codebase, name it something else, and use it. For all the mud we sling in Red Hat's direction for having a stated trademark policy regarding their distribution, it does protect their brand name against poor quality variants in a way that the mplayer author seems to want to do with the mplayer brand. And I can't but help smirk at the idea that the mplayer author might have to think one of Red Hat controversial policies is a good idea...there would be an delicious irony in that. -jef"is it bad to be hoping the hurricane floods where i live just enough so i can stay home friday?"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 16:03:25 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:03:25 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <026901c37d2b$891ab340$9100000a@intgrp.com>; from eric@interplas.com on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:54:02AM -0400 References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <1526.12.29.16.103.1063807754.squirrel@whooper.org> <026901c37d2b$891ab340$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <20030917120325.A8946@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:54:02AM -0400, Eric Wood wrote: > Don't waste energy conforming to the patented codecs. Present the killer > apps that makes people want to start over with their digital content. My favorite ogg "killer app": http://wcpe.org/internet.shtml#Ogg But then not everyone likes classical music... michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Sep 17 16:04:29 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:04:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: anyone working with oracle 9ir2 under the beta? Message-ID: <32433685.1063814669620.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> being a complete novice at oracle, i'd like to make a first attempt at installing oracle 9ir2. are there any mailing lists devoted to oracle and linux? i've found a number of web sites with instructions on how to install 9ir2 on red hat 9, but they all differ ever so subtlely in their instructions, and it's not clear what's really, really *necessary* sometimes, and what's just a good idea, but optional. as an example, one site refers to configuring your new installation to use the latest JDK, while another states that oracle comes with its own (older) JRE, and that's just fine. what's a noob to believe? anyway, just a pointer to a mailing list would suffice, and i can take it from there. thanks. rday From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 16:04:51 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:04:51 -0400 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us>; from dennis@ausil.us on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:24:07AM +1000 References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <20030917120451.B8946@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:24:07AM +1000, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes ... > Any ideas? it is trying to update 369 packages. too much? should i manually > d/l and install them? You shouldn't have to -- please file a bug in bugzilla after checking to see if it is a duplicate. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From bfox at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 16:13:59 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: 17 Sep 2003 12:13:59 -0400 Subject: need testing on an IBM Thinkpad A21p Message-ID: <1063815239.11279.3.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> I'm looking for someone with an IBM Thinkpad A21p with an ATI Rage 128 Mobility to test redhat-config-xfree86. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88290 is the bug I'm referring to. Can anyone reproduce this bug? Cheers, Brent From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 16:24:06 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> Bryan W. Headley said: > William Hooper wrote: >> Botoaca Andrei said: >> >>>For any readers of this POST! Read the mplayer site news, you can find >>>them >>>at www.mplayerhq.hu ... >>>Suse added MPlayer to their distro, and they shouldn't have done this >>> ... >>> >>>Read it, it's quite interesting ... >> >> >> Yes, it is interesting that someone that claims to be against software >> patents is threating to patent their software... >> >> "I (A'rpi) want to ask all of those distributions to consider dropping >> MPlayer packages completely instead of shipping unusable crippled files! >> Our motto: if you can't do it right, you better don't do it at all! >> Users >> can still download the sources and compile them at their own >> responsibilty. We do know the legal issues well, but since the whole >> multimedia industry is completely covered by various patents, it's >> impossible to create a decent free multimedia player without breaking >> most >> of these patents. I'm even considering patenting my A-V sync algorithms >> used in MPlayer G2, to prevent unwanted crippled distribution of the >> next >> generation code, but I hope they will recognize their fault in time, and >> I >> won't have to do so." > > Funny, I read it the other way: "..to prevent unwanted crippled > distribution..." He doesn't want the package to be associated with the > crippled functionality certain packagers have visited on mplayer, and is > mulling what he can do. I appreciate his problem... a) They obviously don't care about other people's patents, so why should other people care about his (future) patent? b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). I feel about MPlayer being "crippled" the same as I feel about people complaining about KDE being "crippled". If you don't want people changing your program and redistributing it, why did you make it GPL? In any case, there is ample reason for RH not to distribute MPlayer. First, the questionable legality. Second, the author prefers it not be distributed if you take out the parts that cause the questionable legality. -- William Hooper From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 16:33:52 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:33:52 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1063814102.32351.8.camel@spatula> References: <1063814102.32351.8.camel@spatula> Message-ID: <3F688CF0.1050107@earthlink.net> Jef Spaleta wrote: > Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > >>Funny, I read it the other way: "..to prevent unwanted crippled >>distribution..." He doesn't want the package to be associated with the >>crippled functionality certain packagers have visited on mplayer, and >>is mulling what he can do. I appreciate his problem... > > > I think someone on friendly terms with the mplayer author.. Wouldn't be me; never "talked" to him. Unless you are "volunteering" me... I agree that something in the licensing agreement could say "if you use this, use ALL of it", but would then have to have a manifest of files/features that would constitute a "complete" mplayer build. On the other hand, he's using the right buzzword to get everyone's attention. Anything less than the word "patent" would've breezed past everyone. > For all the mud we sling in Red Hat's direction for having a stated > trademark policy regarding their distribution, it does protect their > brand name against poor quality variants in a way that the mplayer > author seems to want to do with the mplayer brand. > -jef"is it bad to be hoping the hurricane floods where i live just > enough so i can stay home friday?"spaleta Yes it is. But it's okay to pray for snow days. Maybe because there's nothing to mitigate hurricane damage, while there IS show plows... -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Sep 17 16:38:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:38:39 -0400 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <200309171238.39278.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 17, 2003 11:24 am, Dennis Gilmore Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes You should be aware that the original ssl cert for Severn is no longer valid as of the 28th September. Just update the cert as per instructions HERE: http://rhn.redhat.com/help/faq/all_faqs.pxt "... you may obtain the latest RHN certificate separately here: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/ssl_cert.pxt" cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Wed Sep 17 16:42:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:42:43 -0400 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <20030917120451.B8946@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> <20030917120451.B8946@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309171242.43726.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 17, 2003 12:04 pm, Michael K. Johnson "Michael K. Johnson" wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:24:07AM +1000, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes > > ... > > > Any ideas? it is trying to update 369 packages. too much? should i > > manually d/l and install them? > > You shouldn't have to -- please file a bug in bugzilla after checking > to see if it is a duplicate. > Mike, it's not a bug. He just needs to update his Severn SSL cert. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 16:51:33 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:51:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: anyone working with oracle 9ir2 under the beta? Message-ID: Robert P. J. Day wrote: > being a complete novice at oracle, i'd like to make a first attempt at > installing oracle 9ir2. are there any mailing lists devoted to oracle > and linux? i've found a number of web sites with instructions on how to > install 9ir2 on red hat 9, but they all differ ever so subtlely in their > instructions, and it's not clear what's really, really *necessary* > sometimes, and what's just a good idea, but optional. First are you installing on Redhat 9 or on severn? It does make a difference. Also, some of the conflicting advice may be due to alternate ways to solve the same problem. If you are installing on severn, have a look on at the discussion on the taroon-beta-list for ideas, as taroon is probably very similar to severn. > as an example, one site refers to configuring your new installation to > use the latest JDK, while another states that oracle comes with its own > (older) JRE, and that's just fine. Some OUI versions (ie. runInstaller) won't work on severn/taroon due to java-severn conflicts but do work on RHL9, which might explain the conflicting advice. Michael Young From nbecker at hns.com Wed Sep 17 17:01:31 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:01:31 -0400 Subject: delegation-only patch for bind - please consider this! In-Reply-To: <3F687C27.2000101@redhat.com> References: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> <3F687C27.2000101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309171301.31654.nbecker@hns.com> On Wednesday 17 September 2003 11:22 am, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > The patched bind should be in rawhide by tomorrow. > > Dan > > Neal D. Becker wrote: > >http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html > > > > > >-- Thank you all for the good work. Now, how about release it as a regular Redhat update as well? From veillard at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:07:09 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:07:09 -0400 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <200309171238.39278.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:38:39PM -0400 References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> <200309171238.39278.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030917130709.I26189@redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:38:39PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 17, 2003 11:24 am, Dennis Gilmore Dennis Gilmore > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes > You should be aware that the original ssl cert for Severn is no longer > valid as of the 28th September. Just update the cert as per instructions > HERE: > http://rhn.redhat.com/help/faq/all_faqs.pxt I doubt it's the problem. If it was the case he would not be able to fetch the update list, it's something else IMHO. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From veillard at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:08:56 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:08:56 -0400 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <20030917170312.GA2867@iadonisi.to>; from pri.rhl1@iadonisi.to on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 01:03:12PM -0400 References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> <20030917120451.B8946@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309171242.43726.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030917170312.GA2867@iadonisi.to> Message-ID: <20030917130856.J26189@redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 01:03:12PM -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:42:43PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > [snip] > > > Mike, it's not a bug. He just needs to update his Severn SSL cert. > > This discussion has got me wondering. Why the heck am I getting "All > packages are currently up to date" when I run 'up2date -u'. I haven't > seen any updates in the rhn channel for severn since I installed this box > on July 19. Right now, I'm running the rawhide version of up2date (3.9.24-1) > with whatever ssl cert that came with that package. I haven't seen any > ssl errors, anyhow, so I don't think that would be the problem. Also, > I've re-regsitered the systems at least a few times with no change. > Why am I not seeing any updates? You need to register to the update channel for the beta. Login at https://rhn.redhat.com/ check your machine information and subscribe it to the update channel. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 17:20:23 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:20:23 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> William Hooper wrote: > b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to > prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:18:09 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> from "Bryan W. Headley" at Med 17, 2003 12:20:23 Message-ID: <200309171718.h8HHI9629597@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to > > prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). > > Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively > revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? The GPL has specific clauses to prevent a patent owner hijacking free software. If I release code that has patent issues I must either grant the patent rights for GPL use (if I can) and/or put a restriction on the code by countries. (Eg my WAP irc tools are 'non USA' because of bogus US patents) Some people will grant GPL use of patents, IBM for example has granted GPL use of several patents. From jphillips at amphus.com Wed Sep 17 17:27:28 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 17 Sep 2003 10:27:28 -0700 Subject: Changing up2date to severn channel Message-ID: <1063819647.11442.28.camel@hawk> I'm running RHL9 right now, is there a way I can make up2date update my system with the severn RPM packages? I looked on rhn.redhat.com, and I can't find a way to change my channel subscriptions. It's just stuck on the Red Hat 9 channel. Thanks for any help. From mharris at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:34:05 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1063814102.32351.8.camel@spatula> References: <1063814102.32351.8.camel@spatula> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Jef Spaleta wrote: >> distribution..." He doesn't want the package to be associated with the >> crippled functionality certain packagers have visited on mplayer, and >> is mulling what he can do. I appreciate his problem... > >I think someone on friendly terms with the mplayer author...should nudge >'em into looking at using trademark law as a tool...instead of patent >law to coerse the behavior of the distributors who want to use as much >mplayer technology as they can legally get away with. Software patent >law is just frelling evil. But if there is a concerned about tarnishing >the mplayer "brand" by redistribution of limited functional variants of >the mplayer codebase...then maybe there is room via trademark law...to >protect the mplayer project name...and still have room for Suse or >whomever to take that freely redistributable codebase, name it something >else, and use it. Windows Media player is "mplayer". Good luck trademarking mplayer. I'd also think it would be difficult to trademark illegal software. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Sep 17 17:36:10 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:36:10 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 Message-ID: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> hi tried out the new kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 rpm on an nforce2 board (a7n8x) and i cant get it to startup. it just hangs after displaying "press "i" for interactive..." no further messages displayed. kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.34 rpm worked fine here. anyone have the same behavior? thanks, lars From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:35:08 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Changing up2date to severn channel In-Reply-To: <1063819647.11442.28.camel@hawk> Message-ID: On 17 Sep 2003, Joseph Phillips wrote: > I'm running RHL9 right now, is there a way I can make up2date update my > system with the severn RPM packages? You need to install Severn beta1 (from CD, NFS, FTP, etc.). -- Elliot Addiction is anything that offers itself as the solution for the problems it causes. From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 17:41:14 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:41:14 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <200309171718.h8HHI9629597@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309171718.h8HHI9629597@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F689CBA.5040604@earthlink.net> Alan Cox wrote: >>>b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to >>>prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). >> >>Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively >>revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? > > > The GPL has specific clauses to prevent a patent owner hijacking > free software. If I release code that has patent issues I must either > grant the patent rights for GPL use (if I can) and/or put a restriction on > the code by countries. (Eg my WAP irc tools are 'non USA' because of bogus > US patents) Yeah, that didn't seem right. Well, the decision can go either way so long as FUDs not entering the deliberations. -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:39:10 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:39:10 -0400 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <200309171242.43726.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:42:43PM -0400 References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> <20030917120451.B8946@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309171242.43726.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030917133910.C8946@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:42:43PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 17, 2003 12:04 pm, Michael K. Johnson "Michael K. Johnson" > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:24:07AM +1000, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes > > > > ... > > > > > Any ideas? it is trying to update 369 packages. too much? should i > > > manually d/l and install them? > > > > You shouldn't have to -- please file a bug in bugzilla after checking > > to see if it is a duplicate. > > > Mike, it's not a bug. He just needs to update his Severn SSL cert. Actually, I go by "Michael". Sorry, the strace obscured that for me. :-) /me crawls back in his hole. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From limbo at bluethingy.com Wed Sep 17 17:41:38 2003 From: limbo at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:41:38 -0700 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1063820497.3146.8.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 10:20, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > William Hooper wrote: > > > b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to > > prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). > > Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively > revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? If the patent covers code/functionality in the prior releases, and the patent holder does not grant a license of the patent under GPL-compatible terms, then I would think that the prior releases would be in a difficult position, GPL-wise. It could probably be argued in a court of law, however, that the license holder's prior distribution of the patented code/functionality with no encumbrances constituted a de facto license. From mharris at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:51:05 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Bryan W. Headley wrote: >> b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to >> prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). > >Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively >revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? You can't patent something that is already public and widely used. You design something, patent it, then distribute it. Think about it. You design some piece of software, and in it you use this neato algorithm, then you release the software as OSS under say the BSD license (not that the license matters but I have a reason for choosing BSD in this example[1]). Now, I take your BSD licensed software, and use your algorithm in my own program, and then ship my program. 6 months later you patent it, then sue me. Um no. That's not how it works. If this is confusing to you, please consult an IP attourney. TTYL [1] I chose the BSD license, because BSD licensed software could potentially contain patented bits of code as that license does not forbit patented technology. The GPL license however does forbid patented technology from being used under the GPL license unless the owner of the patent has granted an unlimited royalty free patent license grant which is compatible with the GPL, which means the license grant must not impose any restrictions upon the software or rights granted by the GPL. An example of patented technology being used in GPL licensed software in a GPL compatible manner is the tux2 technology patented by Red Hat. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mharris at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 17:55:21 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1063820497.3146.8.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <1063820497.3146.8.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Michael Knepher wrote: >> > b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to >> > prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). >> >> Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively >> revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? > >If the patent covers code/functionality in the prior releases, and the >patent holder does not grant a license of the patent under >GPL-compatible terms, then I would think that the prior releases would >be in a difficult position, GPL-wise. It could probably be argued in a >court of law, however, that the license holder's prior distribution of >the patented code/functionality with no encumbrances constituted a de >facto license. You can't release something under GPL, then patent it later. You can try, but your patent - if granted, would be revoked if contested because you've released prior art yourself. At least that is how I understand things. Someone intending on patenting something, must keep it secret until after applying for the patent. I'm not sure if they must wait for the patent to be granted or not after that before releasing it, however before releasing things publically. IANAL however, so consult one if it matters at all. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Sep 17 18:09:35 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:09:35 +0200 Subject: Changing up2date to severn channel In-Reply-To: <1063819647.11442.28.camel@hawk> References: <1063819647.11442.28.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <20030917200935.681cb69e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17 Sep 2003 10:27:28 -0700, Joseph Phillips wrote: > I'm running RHL9 right now, is there a way I can make up2date update my > system with the severn RPM packages? > > I looked on rhn.redhat.com, and I can't find a way to change my channel > subscriptions. It's just stuck on the Red Hat 9 channel. Well, using up2date to perform a distribution upgrade is not a supported update-path. But you can take a close look at the bottom of "up2date --help" and try what you'll find there. Have fun if it breaks your system into pieces. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/aKNf0iMVcrivHFQRApThAJ4oFtZg3pYGgOe5y+ED/FZ0EkAtEwCfYydK 4DFKnIbqg13mPeopQ7yFos4= =mIxD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 18:48:03 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:48:03 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > >>>b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to >>>prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). >> >>Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively >>revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? > > If this is confusing to you, please consult an IP attourney. Wasn't confused; just softly making a point. -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 18:55:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: from "Mike A. Harris" at Med 17, 2003 01:51:05 Message-ID: <200309171855.h8HItck24256@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Now, I take your BSD licensed software, and use your algorithm in > my own program, and then ship my program. > > 6 months later you patent it, then sue me. Um no. That's not > how it works. You patent it first... but keep quiet. The GPL seeks to prevent two things #1 is someone contributing work then sueing other people for using it. There are other things like estoppel which help here too #2 is a third party watching a free product being built then annoucing they have a patent on it and only they can ship it (making it effectively proprietary) The OSL goes even further and follows the model corporations use now days for patents (which one economist described as the 'thermonuclear war' approach). If you bring a patent claim against them you lose rights to all their patented technologies and their code you had rights too. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 18:57:51 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3488.12.29.16.103.1063825071.squirrel@whooper.org> Bryan W. Headley said: > William Hooper wrote: > >> b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to >> prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). > > Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively > revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? The *prevent distribution* part is the issue. I read his comments to mean that whatever software was to be patented wasn't in there yet. The mp3 problem comes about because the patent holder wants a license for commercial use, thereby limiting the distribution. Granted the mp3 issue (patent holder is not the author) and this issue are different, but the basic principal is the same. -- William Hooper From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Sep 17 19:42:52 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:42:52 -0600 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1063827772.8003.21.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> In the middle of all this discussion, has anyone noticed that MPlayer is now at version 1.0pre1? If the Fedora guys are hanging around here, what's the chance of re-packaging this version? Apparently, it's taken from a totally different branch than version 0.91, which is apparently not going to be supported anymore. Seems the point about not including MPlayer in RHL is an easy one. Just don't do it. Seems far too risky... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Wed Sep 17 19:53:43 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:53:43 -0700 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030916171532.A18569@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F68BBC7.8010509@intel.com> Michael K. Johnson wrote: > This time, we got the site changed a bit earlier. It now says: > > o We will update our web site with the new name and new schedule > by the Monday the 22nd of September, weather permitting. You need to drop the extra 'the' before Monday. Forrest -- From terraformers at gmx.net Wed Sep 17 20:00:05 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:00:05 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 Message-ID: <200309172200.06065.terraformers@gmx.net> of course it should read kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.34 rpm worked fine here. > kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.34 rpm worked fine here. good luck with the weather *issue*! lars From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 20:05:27 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:05:27 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3488.12.29.16.103.1063825071.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3488.12.29.16.103.1063825071.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <3F68BE87.40602@earthlink.net> William Hooper wrote: > Bryan W. Headley said: > >>William Hooper wrote: >> >> >>>b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to >>>prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). >> >>Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively >>revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? > > > The *prevent distribution* part is the issue. I read his comments to mean > that whatever software was to be patented wasn't in there yet. The mp3 > problem comes about because the patent holder wants a license for > commercial use, thereby limiting the distribution. More than that, there's licensing fees they'd like to collect. > Granted the mp3 issue (patent holder is not the author) and this issue are > different, but the basic principal is the same. Yes and no. Given the mplayer author's desire for a full player, does he consider removing mp3 en/decoding "crippling" the package? What I don't know is whether mp3lame ffmpeg opendivx avoids the patent issue... -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From jbinpg at shaw.ca Wed Sep 17 20:00:26 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:00:26 -0700 Subject: VCR media to DVD - possible? Message-ID: <20030917200026.GA11489@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Thought I would ask in the beta channel since it is on the front of the tech curve: is it possible to somehow take a VCR video and transform it into a DVD movie in linux? -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 20:08:07 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:08:07 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1063827772.8003.21.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> <1063827772.8003.21.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F68BF27.2000608@earthlink.net> Christopher A. Williams wrote: > In the middle of all this discussion, has anyone noticed that MPlayer is > now at version 1.0pre1? If the Fedora guys are hanging around here, > what's the chance of re-packaging this version? Apparently, it's taken > from a totally different branch than version 0.91, which is apparently > not going to be supported anymore. > > Seems the point about not including MPlayer in RHL is an easy one. Just > don't do it. Seems far too risky... Let's do one of those "get third party deb files" -- you install it, it's specfile fires up wget, gets the binary from the homesite, and says "well, you knew the licensing issues when you installed me." I can be pure and I can avoid issues. :-) -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From dsavage at peaknet.net Wed Sep 17 20:04:52 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (dsavage at peaknet.net) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:04:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: need testing on an IBM Thinkpad A21p In-Reply-To: <1063815239.11279.3.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063815239.11279.3.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <47795.140.175.214.36.1063829092.squirrel@www.peaknet.net> > I'm looking for someone with an IBM Thinkpad A21p with an ATI Rage 128 > Mobility to test redhat-config-xfree86. > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88290 is the bug I'm > referring to. Can anyone reproduce this bug? Brent, I just posted a comment to that bug. I'm running Severn on a ThinkPad A21p with no X problems at all. I'll be glad to act as a "lab rat" if it will help you pinpoint the source of his problem. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From Dan at omnexcontrols.com Wed Sep 17 20:11:17 2003 From: Dan at omnexcontrols.com (Dan de Haan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:11:17 -0700 Subject: VCR media to DVD - possible? Message-ID: <350E357E0657244587B795449B7D826ADEE5@OMNEX-EXCHNG1.omnex.msad> -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Bowling [mailto:jbinpg at shaw.ca] > Thought I would ask in the beta channel since it is on the front of > the tech curve: is it possible to somehow take a VCR video > and transform > it into a DVD movie in linux? http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue83/stoddard.html has some instructions that work pretty good. -Dan From gxy3139 at njit.edu Wed Sep 17 20:11:30 2003 From: gxy3139 at njit.edu (Guo Yang) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:11:30 -0400 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 In-Reply-To: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3F68BFF2.7050701@njit.edu> lars wrote: >hi > >tried out the new kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 rpm >on an nforce2 board (a7n8x) and i cant get it to startup. >it just hangs after displaying "press "i" for interactive..." >no further messages displayed. >kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.34 rpm worked fine here. > >anyone have the same behavior? > > >thanks, >lars > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > lars, I have same the problem except it hangs after kernel logger started. Guo From jbinpg at shaw.ca Wed Sep 17 20:20:45 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:20:45 -0700 Subject: VCR media to DVD - possible? In-Reply-To: <350E357E0657244587B795449B7D826ADEE5@OMNEX-EXCHNG1.omnex.msad> References: <350E357E0657244587B795449B7D826ADEE5@OMNEX-EXCHNG1.omnex.msad> Message-ID: <20030917202045.GB11489@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 01:11:17PM -0700, Dan de Haan wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jack Bowling [mailto:jbinpg at shaw.ca] > > Thought I would ask in the beta channel since it is on the front of > > the tech curve: is it possible to somehow take a VCR video > > and transform > > it into a DVD movie in linux? > > http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue83/stoddard.html > has some instructions that work pretty good. Perfect, Dan. Thanks. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From nmarsh1 at mac.com Wed Sep 17 20:25:52 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nick Marsh) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:25:52 -0500 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? Message-ID: <880013.1063830352402.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> > by the Monday the 22nd of September, weather permitting. Hurricane SCO? nick marsh nmarsh1 at mac.com From ghenriks at rogers.com Wed Sep 17 21:01:15 2003 From: ghenriks at rogers.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:01:15 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <026901c37d2b$891ab340$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <1526.12.29.16.103.1063807754.squirrel@whooper.org> <026901c37d2b$891ab340$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:54:02 -0400, you wrote: >Jef Spaleta hit the nail on the head. The desktop should have ogg in your >face ready to play a few sample ogg tunes. Also some nice eye candy video >using an open codec. If the equivalent applications like musicmatch, >cooledit, iTunes, movie editor/creator, dvd and tv capture card sotware,etc >were all wrapped up into a awe gazing IDE-type application, then regular >users would realize they can click a few times and start creating (even if >it merely ripping) the content under the open codec. Different av formats >(codecs) survive only because of the ease of the tools that create them. Different av formats survive because of the content available for them and/or the hardware to play them. Both DVD (mpeg2/ac3) and mp3 are here for the long run simply because the consumer hardware is widely available and the content to play on that hardware is available. With Windows Media Player, Quicktime, and Real benefit from their respective promoters paying the cost to provide the content for free (movie trailers, etc) on behalf of the content owners. The new online music stores like iTunes Music Store exist due to the digital rights management, something that is impossible in an open codec system. Despite this apparent negativity I do wish that we could move to open codecs, but I won't be holding my breath waiting for it to happen. From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Sep 17 21:10:43 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <880013.1063830352402.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Nick Marsh wrote: > > by the Monday the 22nd of September, weather permitting. > > Hurricane SCO? no, no, that would be tropical depression SCO. rday From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Sep 17 21:11:14 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 17 Sep 2003 17:11:14 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? Message-ID: <1063833074.32351.19.camel@spatula> Gerald Henriksen wrote: >The new online music stores like iTunes Music Store exist due to the >digital rights management, something that is impossible in an open >codec system. really? http://linuxpr.com/releases/5735.html: SAN DIEGO - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - SideSpace Solutions, Inc. announces the release of OGG-S, the first open-source Digital Rights Management toolkit. Licensed under the General Public License (GPL), OGG-S is poised to become the leading cross-platform digital asset management solution. -jef"NEVER...understimate the power of cheese!"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dennis at ausil.us Wed Sep 17 21:30:14 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:30:14 +1000 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <200309171238.39278.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> <200309171238.39278.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200309180730.16792.dennis@ausil.us> Elton i am very aware. if i had not updated up2date by hand i wouldnt have been able to run up2date at all. i would have gotten a ssl error and nothing. Dennis Once upon a time at band camp Thu, 18 Sep 2003 2:38 am, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 17, 2003 11:24 am, Dennis Gilmore Dennis Gilmore > > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes > > You should be aware that the original ssl cert for Severn is no longer > valid as of the 28th September. Just update the cert as per instructions > HERE: > http://rhn.redhat.com/help/faq/all_faqs.pxt > > "... you may obtain the latest RHN certificate separately here: > https://rhn.redhat.com/help/ssl_cert.pxt" > > cheers, > > Elton ;-) From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 21:45:11 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:45:11 +0300 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? Message-ID: Geez to what my discussion did lead ... OK. First I want to make my point regarding the Quote I gave from the mplayer site: 1.I have friends who are windows users ... now let's assume (and don't tell me linux is only for the so called experts ... because every expert started once from 0, nada, nix, nothing!) you convince a friend that is used using windows to use linux, and you say to him: see here you have installed your mp3-player, but it doesn't work because of sw-patents, but if you download from some rpm hide-out some obscure plugin "compile" it (new term for a beginner), and install it then in some heck of a directory ... and, no ... that's not enough: see this is MPlayer, it can play all files existent in the world, but then again, it doesn't work, because you need a bunch of plugins, and of course recompile it .... i'm sure he'll ask you ....then what the f^$& are this tools installed for ? Linux sucks, I want back windows ... and so , what have you done ? Make sure that that user will never use linux again. 2.I have version xyz of mplayer built in. Fully functional .... but then rh can't ship it! And the matter at the moment is not that MPlayer will patent it's render engine ... because it's their right (i won't go ever building my own distro calling it redhat ... no thanks ... i'll sure be more invoative :) )... BUT ! and here is the BUTT, the plugins it uses for decoding are patented, and it will play mostly pcm files and ... hmm ogg, and that's about it (aaa and i forgot, it will also play maybe some it, s3m, mod files). You want that in your distro ? Hell no. Better I download my own thingie and install it. ANd i'm sure it's easier to teach a newbie about some ready built rpm's hideouts than compiling the whole thing with 'zounds of options. That's how I see it, and here i understand redhat fully! And MPlayer too! Tx a lot Andrei Botoaca _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Sep 17 21:45:52 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:45:52 -0400 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <200309162359.h8GNxJs23428@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309162359.h8GNxJs23428@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F68D610.2040708@insight.rr.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>>>>I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia >>>>>modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put >>>>>into the grub.conf file? > > > "nopcmcia" Adding this to my grub.conf for the kernel-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl did not work. I am able to boot into init level 1, but for init 3 it locks up. I didn't try to boot into graphics mode 5 with the new kernel. The graphical boot loader locks up (or is too slow loading without feedback for me.) The "nopcmcia" option is what I was trying for though. > > Info on the system would be good too > dmesg outputs the below: (The only really working kernel for this ze4315us HP Pavilion). What system information would be useful? Would information from the newer kernel in init 1 be of any use? Jim Linux version 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl (bhcompile at daffy.perf.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030422 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-6)) #1 Fri Jul 11 06:12:28 EDT 2003 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009f800 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000d0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000000f6f0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000f6f0000 - 000000000f6ff000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000000f6ff000 - 000000000f700000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 000000000f700000 - 000000000f800000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fffc0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 0MB HIGHMEM available. 246MB LOWMEM available. ACPI: have wakeup address 0xc0001000 On node 0 totalpages: 63216 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 59120 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. ACPI: RSDP (v000 PTLTD ) @ 0x000f7470 ACPI: RSDT (v001 PTLTD RSDT 01540.00000) @ 0x0f6f8c72 ACPI: FADT (v001 ATI Raptor 01540.00000) @ 0x0f6fee4c ACPI: BOOT (v001 PTLTD $SBFTBL$ 01540.00000) @ 0x0f6feec0 ACPI: SSDT (v001 PTLTD POWERNOW 01540.00000) @ 0x0f6feee8 ACPI: DSDT (v001 ATI U1_M1535 01540.00000) @ 0x00000000 ACPI: BIOS passes blacklist Kernel command line: ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi Initializing CPU#0 Detected 1523.873 MHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 3040.87 BogoMIPS Memory: 246164k/252864k available (1467k kernel code, 6312k reserved, 1099k data, 132k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line) Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383f9ff c1cbf9ff 00000000 00000000 CPU: Common caps: 0383f9ff c1cbf9ff 00000000 00000000 CPU: AMD mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ stepping 00 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch at atnf.csiro.au) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel ACPI: Subsystem revision 20030619 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd87b, last bus=2 PCI: Using configuration type 1 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing ACPI: System [ACPI] (supports S0 S3 S4 S5) ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.AGPB._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 6 *10) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 7 *11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 10, enabled at IRQ 9) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 9, disabled) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 9, disabled) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs *11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 9, enabled at IRQ 3) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs *5 7) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKU] (IRQs 3, enabled at IRQ 9) ACPI: Embedded Controller [EC0] (gpe 24) schedule_task(): keventd has not started PCI: Probing PCI hardware ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 9 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] enabled at IRQ 9 PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:10.0 PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing PCI: if you experience problems, try using option 'pci=noacpi' or even 'acpi=off' ATI Northbridge, reserving I/O ports 0x3b0 to 0x3bb. isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket apm: BIOS not found. Starting kswapd VFS: Disk quotas vdquot_6.5.1 Asus Laptop ACPI Extras version 0.24a pty: 2048 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled ttyS0 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Redundant entry in serial pci_table. Please send the output of lspci -vv, this message (10b9,5457,103c,0024) and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board to serial-pci-info at lists.sourceforge.net. register_serial(): autoconfig failed Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e NET4: Frame Diverter 0.46 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx Warning: ATI Radeon IGP Northbridge is not yet fully tested. ALI15X3: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:10.0 PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:10.0 ALI15X3: chipset revision 196 ALI15X3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x8080-0x8087, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x8088-0x808f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: FUJITSU MHS2030AT, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0400040, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2312, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: attached ide-disk driver. hda: host protected area => 1 hda: 58605120 sectors (30006 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=3648/255/63, UDMA(100) ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 > ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: autorun ... md: ... autorun DONE. Initializing Cryptographic API NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 16Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 32768) Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 Freeing initrd memory: 151k freed VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). Journalled Block Device driver loaded kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Freeing unused kernel memory: 132k freed usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xd005a000, IRQ 9 usb-ohci.c: usb-00:02.0, ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 4 ports detected usb.c: registered new driver hiddev usb.c: registered new driver hid hid-core.c: v1.8.1 Andreas Gal, Vojtech Pavlik hid-core.c: USB HID support drivers mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,3), internal journal Adding Swap: 522072k swap-space (priority -1) kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,2), internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. ohci1394: $Rev: 952 $ Ben Collins ohci1394_0: OHCI-1394 1.1 (PCI): IRQ=[9] MMIO=[e4007000-e40077ff] Max Packet=[2048] ieee1394: Host added: Node[00:1023] GUID[000bcd009e338181] [Linux OHCI-1394] SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 hdc: attached ide-scsi driver. scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: DVD-ROM SD-R2312 Rev: 1905 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: irq 7 detected inserting floppy driver for 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl floppy0: no floppy controllers found natsemi dp8381x driver, version 1.07+LK1.0.17, Sep 27, 2002 originally by Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/natsemi.html 2.4.x kernel port by Jeff Garzik, Tjeerd Mulder divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 eth0: NatSemi DP8381[56] at 0xd0124000, 00:0b:cd:34:b0:16, IRQ 11. divert: freeing divert_blk for eth0 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team natsemi dp8381x driver, version 1.07+LK1.0.17, Sep 27, 2002 originally by Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/natsemi.html 2.4.x kernel port by Jeff Garzik, Tjeerd Mulder divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 eth0: NatSemi DP8381[56] at 0xd0137000, 00:0b:cd:34:b0:16, IRQ 11. eth0: link up. eth0: Setting full-duplex based on negotiated link capability. Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Yenta IRQ list 04b8, PCI irq11 Socket status: 30000007 cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x378-0x37f 0x408-0x40f 0x480-0x48f 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: irq 7 detected lp0: using parport0 (polling). lp0: console ready Trident 4DWave/SiS 7018/ALi 5451,Tvia CyberPro 5050 PCI Audio, version 0.14.10h, 06:20:42 Jul 11 2003 trident: ALi Audio Accelerator found at IO 0x8400, IRQ 5 ac97_codec: AC97 Modem codec, id: CXT41 (Unknown) gameport0: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device at pci00:06.0 speed 2840 kHz From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Sep 17 21:48:42 2003 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?= Matias) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:48:42 +0200 Subject: Severn upgrade on KT7-Raid In-Reply-To: <200309152350.52548.blindman.jones@verizon.net> References: <200309152350.52548.blindman.jones@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1063835322.9525.19.camel@one.myworld.> Le mar 16/09/2003 ? 05:50, m jones a ?crit : > I wanted to upgrade my extra computer from RH9 to Severn, however Severn does > not recognize the RAID0 drives that 9 is installed on... > > How can I get Severn to recognize the Highpoint 370 ATA100 card > on the KT7-Raid mobo... i tried using the Highpoint drivers for RH9.0 > driver/solution... but no luck... is there a boot parameter i might try to > get Severn to see the drives? It's not a good idea to use raid service provide by hpt370. /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/Configure.help : Support for IDE Raid controllers CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATARAID [...] Note, that Linux does not use the Raid implementation in BIOS, and the main purpose for this feature is to retain compatibility and data integrity with other OS-es, using the same disk array. Linux has its own Raid drivers, which you should use if you need better performance. [...] > > I think actually, the driver may be loaded... Severn is just not recognizing > the RAID0 setup... when the setup gets to the partition part it says that > /dev/hde is not setup and should it format the drives wiping all data etc... > it then repeats for /dev/hdg. > > Thank You, -- F?liciano Matias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 21:55:29 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Andrei Botoaca) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:55:29 +0300 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F68BE87.40602@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3488.12.29.16.103.1063825071.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F68BE87.40602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1063835728.2346.7.camel@gelu.damage_inc> NO THEY DON'T! BECAUSE NOT THE SOFTWARE YOU USE FOR DECODING IS PATENTED, BUT THE CODEC ITSELF!!! if i know right ... and i'm pretty sure i'm not mistaking ... On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 23:05, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > William Hooper wrote: > > Bryan W. Headley said: > > > >>William Hooper wrote: > >> > >> > >>>b) MPlayer is saying it is GPL. If he decides to try to use patents to > >>>prevent distribution it is no longer GPL (see mp3 discussions). > >> > >>Are you saying that patenting something in a product retroactively > >>revokes the GPL license for all prior releases? > > > > > > The *prevent distribution* part is the issue. I read his comments to mean > > that whatever software was to be patented wasn't in there yet. The mp3 > > problem comes about because the patent holder wants a license for > > commercial use, thereby limiting the distribution. > > More than that, there's licensing fees they'd like to collect. > > > Granted the mp3 issue (patent holder is not the author) and this issue are > > different, but the basic principal is the same. > > Yes and no. Given the mplayer author's desire for a full player, does he > consider removing mp3 en/decoding "crippling" the package? What I don't > know is whether mp3lame ffmpeg opendivx avoids the patent issue... From alikins at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 22:14:00 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:14:00 -0400 Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us>; from dennis@ausil.us on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:24:07AM +1000 References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <20030917181400.I20116@redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:24:07AM +1000, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed Severn and when running up2date -u it explodes > > an strace is > > Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... > ######################################## > > Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... > ######################################## > > Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... > > Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: > redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... > > Fetching rpm headers... > exploded!################### ^ odd to see that with just a rhn channel, saw that with some dir based repos, but that should be fixed in 3.9.29 at least. I'll take a look and see if I can reproduce in the next day or two if I'm not dodging trees... Adrian > [{fd=5, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN, > revents=POLLHUP}], 3, -1) = 1 > --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- > waitpid(-1, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 255], WNOHANG) = 4383 > write(6, "", 0) = 0 > write(6, "\21\0\0\0\37\21\0\0\0\377\0\0", 12) = 12 > sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) > read(3, "", 2048) = 0 > ioctl(4, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 > poll([{fd=5, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}], 2, -1) = > 1 > read(5, "\21\0\0\0\37\21\0\0\0\377\0\0", 12) = 12 > open("/usr/share/locale/en_AU.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/share/locale/en_AU.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/share/locale/en_AU/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT > (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/share/locale/en.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/share/locale/en.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 > ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/usermode.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No > such file or directory) > write(4, "+\0\1\0", 4) = 4 > read(4, "\1\0011\0\0\0\0\0\3\0@\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\240\v"..., 32) = 32 > write(4, "\1\0\n\0\4\0 \3H\0\0\0\234\377\234\377\1\0\1\0\0\0\0\0"..., 92) = 92 > exit_group(0) > > Any ideas? it is trying to update 369 packages. too much? should i manually > d/l and install them? > > Regards > > Dennis > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 22:47:30 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:47:30 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F68E482.7040500@earthlink.net> Botoaca Andrei wrote: > Geez to what my discussion did lead ... > > mplayer site: > ... and you say to him: see here you have > installed your mp3-player, but it doesn't work because of sw-patents, Nothing to do with Windows sucks or Linux sucks; rather, who's anal about licensing, patents. Thankfully this isn't a Debian list, because they're a tougher crowd. Kidding aside, I take your argument, and agree with the impression given to your imaginary friend. > 2.I have version xyz of mplayer built in. Fully functional .... but then > rh can't ship it! How about an rpm with a .spec file that grabs a binary from somewhere else than the distribution? Like a web site? -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From jrmizell at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 22:51:07 2003 From: jrmizell at earthlink.net (John Mizell) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:51:07 -0500 Subject: hwbrowser Message-ID: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> Is there a way we can have a text verson of this utility (hwbrowser)? Thanx, John Mizell From dennis at ausil.us Wed Sep 17 23:04:58 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:04:58 +1000 (EST) Subject: up2date bug? In-Reply-To: <20030917181400.I20116@redhat.com> References: <200309180124.08870.dennis@ausil.us> <20030917181400.I20116@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1909.203.94.140.196.1063839898.squirrel@ausil.us> Adrian Likins said: >> >> Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... >> >> Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: >> redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... >> >> Fetching rpm headers... >> exploded!################### > > ^ odd to see that with just a rhn channel, saw that with > some dir based repos, but that should be fixed in 3.9.29 at least. > > I'll take a look and see if I can reproduce in the > next day or two if I'm not dodging trees... > > Adrian > Ok Great, I Did an upgrade from 9 and installed the up2date from rawhide. then tried to run up2date. Dennis From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 23:37:23 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F68E482.7040500@earthlink.net> References: <3F68E482.7040500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <64601.65.41.55.192.1063841843.squirrel@whooper.org> Bryan W. Headley said: >> 2.I have version xyz of mplayer built in. Fully functional .... but then >> rh can't ship it! > > How about an rpm with a .spec file that grabs a binary from somewhere > else than the distribution? Like a web site? If someone knows how to use the .spec file they are capable of compiling it. Or using Freshrpms. Why bother. By distributing anything associated with it you run the risk of a judge or jury thinking you are distributing the software. -- William Hooper From notting at redhat.com Wed Sep 17 23:50:50 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:50:50 -0400 Subject: hwbrowser In-Reply-To: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova>; from jrmizell@earthlink.net on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 05:51:07PM -0500 References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> Message-ID: <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> John Mizell (jrmizell at earthlink.net) said: > Is there a way we can have a text verson of this utility (hwbrowser)? It's not currently planned. There's 'less /etc/sysconfig/hwconf', but that's sort of ugly. :) Bill From tcallawa at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 00:08:48 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: 17 Sep 2003 19:08:48 -0500 Subject: swsusp In-Reply-To: <20030916185645.GA3022@pua.nirvana> References: <20030916174255.GB1578@pua.nirvana> <20030916180105.GD8764@redhat.com> <20030916185645.GA3022@pua.nirvana> Message-ID: <1063843727.4716.45.camel@zorak> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 13:56, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 07:01:05PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:42:55PM +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I tried to patch swsusp into the rawhide kernel, but it conflicts with > > > the nptl patches. > > > > > > swsusp for 2.4.x is considered rather stable and would be a very nice > > > addition for laptop users of rhl. Would you consider shaping the patch > > > for the rawhide kernel? It might never be in the official RHL kernel, but I took a crack at making swsusp patches that apply to the rawhide kernel tree. These patches apply (with a little fuzz) to the 2.4.22-1.2049 kernel source tree: http://people.redhat.com/tcallawa/swsusp/linux-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl-swsusp-1.1-rc8-whole.patch http://people.redhat.com/tcallawa/swsusp/linux-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl-swsusp-1.1-rc8B-incremental.patch I also needed to apply the following patch to make the i686 UP kernel build (ymmv): http://people.redhat.com/tcallawa/swsusp/linux-2.4.22-1.2040-schedfix2.patch Please note, this patch builds for me, but I never booted it. It may eat your children, and if it does so, you have no one to blame but yourself. ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley From blocke at shivan.org Thu Sep 18 00:21:26 2003 From: blocke at shivan.org (Bruce A. Locke) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:21:26 -0400 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 In-Reply-To: <3F68BFF2.7050701@njit.edu> References: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> <3F68BFF2.7050701@njit.edu> Message-ID: <1063844486.5244.2.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 16:11, Guo Yang wrote: > I have same the problem except it hangs after kernel logger started. SE Linux seems to be turned on by default in this kernel and the kernel does not respect "selinux=0" at boot time (or is just plain broken). The boot process hangs because sysklogd tries to create a socket and because your system is not properly "labeled" sysklogd doesn't have permission to do so. (At least thats my understanding) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce A. Locke blocke at shivan.org From grant at tuins.ac.jp Thu Sep 18 00:32:28 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:32:28 +0900 Subject: NTFS support under 2.6 In-Reply-To: <64601.65.41.55.192.1063841843.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <3F68E482.7040500@earthlink.net> <64601.65.41.55.192.1063841843.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <3F68FD1C.1060100@tuins.ac.jp> Just wondering, and sorry if the answer already appeared and I missed it, if NTFS partitions can be mounted in the 2.6 kernel or is it still status quo? ralston From davej at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 01:05:48 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:05:48 +0100 Subject: NTFS support under 2.6 In-Reply-To: <3F68FD1C.1060100@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F68E482.7040500@earthlink.net> <64601.65.41.55.192.1063841843.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F68FD1C.1060100@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030918010548.GI8764@redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:32:28AM +0900, rg wrote: > Just wondering, and sorry if the answer already appeared and I missed > it, if NTFS partitions can be mounted in the 2.6 kernel or is it still > status quo? Pretty much the same state as 2.4. It's read-only, with experimental write support. It can write to existing files, but not truncate them smaller/larger, or create new ones AIUI. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From davej at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 01:08:47 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:08:47 +0100 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> References: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030918010847.GJ8764@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:02:28PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia > modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put > into the grub.conf file? This *might* be related to ACPI interrupt routing issues. (Yes, even though it was disabled in recent kernels, it was still being used for some things *sigh*). I just committed a large set of patches against the ACPI IRQ routing code, which may solve your problems in kernel 2051 and above. If you could give this a try, that would be appreciated. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Sep 18 02:14:26 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:14:26 -0500 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F691502.8050104@farorbit.com> Well... I just thought that one might want to cover all bases... Geeks play games right? Anyway, S.u.S.E has included such a tool in Yast... Why not copy them? Or mandrake... Desktop OSes ought to have tools to configur all common harware; i thing anyway... Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > > > >>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:08:57 -0400 >>From: Elton Woo >>To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases >> >>Subject: Re: joysick... >> >>On September 15, 2003 11:04 pm, stephan schutter stephan schutter >> wrote: >> >> >>>I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there >>>not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. >>> >>> >>> >>AFAIK, there *isn't* one. Perhaps you should enter an RFE in bugzilla. >> >> > >It's highly unlikely that Red Hat would develop a Joystick >calibration tool internally and assign engineering manhour >resources to such. > >If there is an OSS joystick calibration tool already in existance >which can be investigated for potential inclusion, feel free to >suggest it in bugzilla, but if no such tool already exists, it >would be more a waste of time to submit such a request. > > > > From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Sep 18 02:24:21 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:24:21 -0500 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <1063795894.28255.2652.camel@duck.digidread.com> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <1063795894.28255.2652.camel@duck.digidread.com> Message-ID: <3F691755.8030509@farorbit.com> I can see the sidewinder in the hardware browser -- when I ran jstest... here is what I got: [stephans at imhothep dev]$ ls j* jmouse js0 js1 js2 js3 jsfd jsflash [stephans at imhothep dev]$ jstest --normal /dev/jsfd jstest: Permission denied [stephans at imhothep dev]$ su Password: [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/jsfd jstest: No such device or address [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js0 jstest: No such device [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js1 jstest: No such device [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js2 jstest: No such device [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js3 jstest: No such device [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js4 jstest: No such file or directory [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/jsf jsfd jsflash [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/jsflash jstest: No such device [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/jsfd jstest: No such device or address Chris Negus wrote: >On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 20:04, stephan schutter wrote: > > >>I can not find a redhat-utility for configuring a joystick... is there >>not supposed to be one? I have a vanilla one and a sidewinder. >> >> >You might try the joystick package (on CD #1). I used jstest to >calibrate a joystick. Seems you need to do this to get it to work: >modprobe joydev >modprobe ns558 >modprobe analog > Use this command to calibrate: >jstest /dev/js0 >Then just adjust it and test your buttons. I don't know much about >joysticks, so I don't know if you are looking for a way to configure it >beyond that. > >-- Chris Negus > > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > From ghenriks at rogers.com Thu Sep 18 02:26:03 2003 From: ghenriks at rogers.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:26:03 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7m5imvso0sh3op2q2io2if2cbk9dlo0im4@4ax.com> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:45:11 +0300, you wrote: >1.I have friends who are windows users ... now let's assume (and don't tell >me linux is only for the so called experts ... because every expert started >once from 0, nada, nix, nothing!) you convince a friend that is used using >windows to use linux, and you say to him: see here you have installed your >mp3-player, but it doesn't work because of sw-patents, but if you download >from some rpm hide-out some obscure plugin "compile" it (new term for a >beginner), and install it then in some heck of a directory ... and, no ... >that's not enough: see this is MPlayer, it can play all files existent in >the world, but then again, it doesn't work, because you need a bunch of >plugins, and of course recompile it .... i'm sure he'll ask you ....then >what the f^$& are this tools installed for ? Linux sucks, I want back >windows ... and so , what have you done ? Make sure that that user will >never use linux again. 1) for mp3 support you simply need to go to freshrpms.net, get the binary rpm and install it. (or use apt/yum to get the binary). No compiling is necessary. 2) what does your poor windows friend so when they want to play a quicktime file? is going to Apple's website, downloading quicktime player, and installing it too difficult? What about Acrobat Reader? Despite common perception Windows (and MacOS X) do not come with support for every conceivable thing a user may want to do. Would I like it if Red Hat could provide a default mp3, dvd, etc. player? Absolutely. But having to download software is a necessary part of having a computer on the net for most people regardless of what OS they are using. From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 02:28:23 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:28:23 -0400 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <3F68BBC7.8010509@intel.com>; from forrestx.taylor@intel.com on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:53:43PM -0700 References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030916171532.A18569@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F68BBC7.8010509@intel.com> Message-ID: <20030917222823.A29566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:53:43PM -0700, Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > This time, we got the site changed a bit earlier. It now says: > > > > o We will update our web site with the new name and new schedule > > by the Monday the 22nd of September, weather permitting. > > You need to drop the extra 'the' before Monday. Well, it's a typo. But with all the hurricane preparations underway, I'm tempted to just let our IS folks get on with that rather than fix a typo. We'll have a real site up soon, with brand new typos! :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From ghenriks at rogers.com Thu Sep 18 02:29:23 2003 From: ghenriks at rogers.com (Gerald Henriksen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:29:23 -0400 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1063833074.32351.19.camel@spatula> References: <1063833074.32351.19.camel@spatula> Message-ID: On 17 Sep 2003 17:11:14 -0400, you wrote: >Gerald Henriksen wrote: >>The new online music stores like iTunes Music Store exist due to the >>digital rights management, something that is impossible in an open >>codec system. > >really? > >http://linuxpr.com/releases/5735.html: > And the faq on their website readily admits that if you really want drm then you need to license the binary only version from them. If the drm system is open source then it is simply to easy to entirely bypass the drm restrictions (such as no copying, no saving, etc.) by changing the code and recompiling. From tdiehl at rogueind.com Thu Sep 18 02:35:25 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <20030918010847.GJ8764@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:02:28PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia > > modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put > > into the grub.conf file? > > This *might* be related to ACPI interrupt routing issues. > (Yes, even though it was disabled in recent kernels, it was still > being used for some things *sigh*). > I just committed a large set of patches against the ACPI IRQ routing > code, which may solve your problems in kernel 2051 and above. > > If you could give this a try, that would be appreciated. Are these patches also in the taroon kernel?? -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From smoogen at lanl.gov Thu Sep 18 02:46:35 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:46:35 -0600 Subject: NTFS support under 2.6 In-Reply-To: <20030918010548.GI8764@redhat.com> References: <3F68E482.7040500@earthlink.net> <64601.65.41.55.192.1063841843.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F68FD1C.1060100@tuins.ac.jp> <20030918010548.GI8764@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063853195.13713.4.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> And is probably only good for NTFS that came with NT-3.x and NT-4.0. I have heard that it is ok to read but not write to NTFS w/ Win2000 but not to read or write only with WinXP (There are some sort of journals that get written to even in a read-only mode) On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 19:05, Dave Jones wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:32:28AM +0900, rg wrote: > > Just wondering, and sorry if the answer already appeared and I missed > > it, if NTFS partitions can be mounted in the 2.6 kernel or is it still > > status quo? > > Pretty much the same state as 2.4. It's read-only, with experimental > write support. It can write to existing files, but not truncate them > smaller/larger, or create new ones AIUI. > > Dave -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Sep 18 03:46:10 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:46:10 -0400 Subject: acpi=on works for pcmcia lockup cure In-Reply-To: <20030917091348.A12697@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F67DEC8.9010004@insight.rr.com> <20030917091348.A12697@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F692A82.30105@insight.rr.com> Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:10:48AM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>I'm basically wondering how this one particular kernel works and only >>the one after the severn riginal kernel version have made it to full >>boot, without locking up n pcmcia. Below is my grub.conf file. > > > Well, it had ACPI and the others you mention did not. You could try > "acpi=on" with the latest kernel (we had to change the default because > ACPI still broke too many systems) and see if that works... > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > Michael, Thanks for the help with figuring out why the kernels resumed locking up on the pcmcia portion of the boot sequence. After reading your message and looking at the dmesg that I sent for more information about my system. It is a lot clearer to what is going on. (acpi listed again and again.) Switching to mozilla with the newer kernel. It seems to be working. But he problem was mostly related to filling out forms, like logging into rhn and also with putting in passwords for the mailer. i'll try that later, I'm just glad that I cn mov forward with newer kernel version and am not stuck with one working RH kernel. Jim From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Thu Sep 18 04:16:44 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:16:44 -0400 Subject: mozilla is alright. Just the latest acpi kernel locked moz Message-ID: <3F6931AC.4070906@insight.rr.com> After testing mozilla out with a working kernel. I have found that it was just a problem with the one particular kernel version. (the last in the older revisioning naming scheme.) mozilla still is a no worker for the 815 chipset, but this was the case with severn on a 7.3 to severn upgrade and also with a brand new installation of severn. GNOME is not functional and probably not gtk2 either. But at least two machines d not follow the same route. Jim -- The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 05:01:00 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: hardware question: Sony DVD with linux In-Reply-To: <6300000.1063812849@phaedrus.syroidmanor.com> References: <200309151119.28019.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1063729517.30326.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1063736793.22955.13.camel@soybean> <1063780579.14104.20.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> <6300000.1063812849@phaedrus.syroidmanor.com> Message-ID: <1063861260.22404.7.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 11:34, Tom Syroid wrote: > Chris, > > I know this is a bit off-topic for this list, but... > > I recently purchased an HP dvd300i DVD+RW. I'm still learning and trying to > get my head around the mechanics of writing to DVD's. > > 1. Is there a way (currently available) to write to a DVD as if it were a > just another file system (eg, a HD)? I know this involves UDF, but beyond > this, I'm lost. Not a good idea with ext2/ext3 at least. Most of the nitty gritty details are here: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ A (not so brief) excerpt: Even though kernel now permits to build and mount arbitrary file system, there is one thing you must keep in mind before you just proceed, no matter how tempting it might appear. As you might know DVD+RW media can sustain only around 1000 overwrites. The thing about fully fledged file systems is that every read [or tight bunch of 'em] is accompanied by corresponding i-node update or in other words a write! Now, let's say you lookup the mount point (e.g. ls /mnt/dvd) ten times a day. This gives you a 100 days lifetime on your mountpoint and therefore media. Not really much, huh? So do use noatime mount option with DVD+RW media or have it mounted read-only most of the time. However! Every read-write mount "costs" a super-block update. So that if you remount the media say 3 times a day, it would last for about a year [supermount would exhaust the "budget" way sooner]... Defect management [in firmware, a.k.a. Mt.Rainier, or at file system level] would improve the situation, but ideally file system driver should definitely refrain from modifying the super-block [marking it dirty] if nothing was actually written since last mount. Given the development status of Linux UDF the chances for seeing the latter implemented [for UDF] are more than just conceivable. The request is already filed and even possible solution is being discussed. But why not give UDF a shot already then? By default UDF write support is unfortunately disabled and you might have to reconfigure the kernel and rebuild modules. > 2. Is there some good documentation out there on using growisofs? I've look > at a couple pieces, both more confusing than clarifying. The web site I quoted above is the home of growisofs and friends. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 05:06:42 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:06:42 -0400 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 In-Reply-To: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1063861602.22404.10.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 13:36, lars wrote: > hi > > tried out the new kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 rpm > on an nforce2 board (a7n8x) and i cant get it to startup. > it just hangs after displaying "press "i" for interactive..." > no further messages displayed. > kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.34 rpm worked fine here. > > anyone have the same behavior? I'm not trying it at the moment, but the "Press I" prompt is well into the initscritps. Perhaps you need to update or modify them? -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 05:13:53 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:13:53 -0400 Subject: VCR media to DVD - possible? In-Reply-To: <20030917200026.GA11489@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <20030917200026.GA11489@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <1063862032.22404.17.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 16:00, Jack Bowling wrote: > Thought I would ask in the beta channel since it is on the front of > the tech curve: is it possible to somehow take a VCR video and transform > it into a DVD movie in linux? Never tried it myself, but if you play the VCR into a "good" TV capture card that lets you save the result as MPEG2, you can then write it almost directly it to DVD. If you're thinking ahead, you should try capturing it at the correct resolution, frames/second and bit rates (audio and video) for DVD compliance (I don't know for sure what they are but someone will certainly chime in). -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From grant at tuins.ac.jp Thu Sep 18 05:06:35 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:06:35 +0900 Subject: New Bluecurve theme? In-Reply-To: <3F692A82.30105@insight.rr.com> References: <3F67DEC8.9010004@insight.rr.com> <20030917091348.A12697@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F692A82.30105@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F693D5B.4050807@tuins.ac.jp> This might be another one of those things I missed on the list, but after updating my Severn via Rawhide, I noticed (and how could I help but notice) the new window borders of the Bluecurve theme. Is this it or just an experiment? Don't know if I like it better or not, but I am just curious. Ralston From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Sep 18 06:15:02 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:15:02 +0300 Subject: hwbrowser In-Reply-To: <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1063865702.3f694d66c84d8@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Bill Nottingham : > John Mizell (jrmizell at earthlink.net) said: > > Is there a way we can have a text verson of this utility (hwbrowser)? > > It's not currently planned. There's 'less /etc/sysconfig/hwconf', > but that's sort of ugly. :) ..but most likely RH would accept patches to implement a text version, right? :) -- - Panu - From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 18 07:08:48 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 03:08:48 -0400 Subject: ext3 from WinXP? Message-ID: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger> I have a dual boot box and just wondering if their's an ext3 driver for winXP? I need to read/write to an ext3 partition, tired of using fat. Also, hope beta2 is out for Mon. --Lou From pp at ee.oulu.fi Thu Sep 18 07:11:10 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:11:10 +0300 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 In-Reply-To: <1063844486.5244.2.camel@localhost> References: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> <3F68BFF2.7050701@njit.edu> <1063844486.5244.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20030918071110.GA24810@ee.oulu.fi> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:21:26PM -0400, Bruce A. Locke wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 16:11, Guo Yang wrote: > > I have same the problem except it hangs after kernel logger started. > > SE Linux seems to be turned on by default in this kernel and the kernel > does not respect "selinux=0" at boot time (or is just plain broken). > > The boot process hangs because sysklogd tries to create a socket and > because your system is not properly "labeled" sysklogd doesn't have > permission to do so. (At least thats my understanding) I tried to compile the kernel without selinux, and had similar problems so it might be something else as well. If you alt-sysrq-I you get to a login prompt, but problems continue there, e.g. if you run rpm it claims it can't open rpmrc. -0.5.1.34 is just fine. -- Pekka Pietikainen From djoo at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 07:32:32 2003 From: djoo at redhat.com (David Joo) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:32:32 +1000 (EST) Subject: ext3 from WinXP? In-Reply-To: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger> Message-ID: For Read only, I just tested ext2fsd. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/ However, they can write on ext2 but can't write on ext3 yet. David Joo On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Louis Garcia wrote: > I have a dual boot box and just wondering if their's an ext3 driver for > winXP? I need to read/write to an ext3 partition, tired of using fat. > > Also, hope beta2 is out for Mon. > > --Lou > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > -- ?????? (David SungMin Joo) djoo at redhat.com Red Hat Asia-Pacific Pty. Ltd. Ph : +61 7 3872 4833 Fax: +61 7 3257 4800 Legal: http://apac.redhat.com/disclaimer From kjb at dds.nl Thu Sep 18 08:34:57 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:34:57 +0200 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F691755.8030509@farorbit.com> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <1063795894.28255.2652.camel@duck.digidread.com> <3F691755.8030509@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <3F696E31.4030706@dds.nl> stephan schutter wrote: > > I can see the sidewinder in the hardware browser -- when I ran jstest... If it's an usb stick you'll see it on the list of usb devices anyway; even without driver. Usb joysticks will be handled by the hid driver (the same one that drivers keyboards and mice), so try loading that one. > here is what I got: > > [stephans at imhothep dev]$ ls j* > jmouse js0 js1 js2 js3 jsfd jsflash The /dev entries are always available, even when the hardware is not available... > [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js0 > jstest: No such device That one should work if you have a joystick attached and the right driver. > [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/jsflash > jstest: No such device If you were running a sun javastation you could have damaged your flash rom ;) - ever heard of knowing what you're doing? Randomly probing /dev entries won't help you much... Klaasjan From davej at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 10:26:15 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:26:15 +0100 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: References: <20030918010847.GJ8764@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030918102615.GK8764@redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:35:25PM -0400, Tom Diehl wrote: > > This *might* be related to ACPI interrupt routing issues. > > (Yes, even though it was disabled in recent kernels, it was still > > being used for some things *sigh*). > > I just committed a large set of patches against the ACPI IRQ routing > > code, which may solve your problems in kernel 2051 and above. > > > > If you could give this a try, that would be appreciated. > > Are these patches also in the taroon kernel?? No. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From tcallawa at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 15:57:09 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: 19 Sep 2003 10:57:09 -0500 Subject: swsusp Message-ID: <1063987029.18295.40.camel@zorak> Accidentally sent it just to Axel... here it is for anyone else feeling lucky. On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:23, Axel Thimm wrote: > Any chance you could adjust rc9(-incremental) to apply, too? Thanks! Same disclaimer applies. Patch 8-whole, then 9-incremental. http://people.redhat.com/tcallawa/swsusp/linux-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl-swsusp-1.1-rc9-incremental.patch ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley From mhowell at northlink.com Fri Sep 19 16:18:01 2003 From: mhowell at northlink.com (Mark Howell) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:18:01 -0700 Subject: RHN abuse of service? Message-ID: <005d01c37ec9$a1b8b970$0181a8c0@icontrolinc.com> I'm having problems with up2date. A few days ago I started getting abuse of service error messages when running up2date. I'd had some problems getting up2date and rpm to complete as I fetched updates to get my Severn box caught up on the Severn updates channel, so I ran up2date many times trying to get all that sorted out. I e'd RH support last week and got a reply asking if I was running up2date too frequently, but since I don't know what too frequently is, that's hard to answer. In practice, I run it if I know there's a patch I need to fetch (e.g. openssh this week) or if I notice the applet says it's time. Anyway, I just left the box alone for a few days and tried up2date again and was 3/4 of the way through retrieving some updates (a big chunk, about 240MB) when up2date quit with the abuse of service message again: Error Message: Abuse of Service detected for server mjolnir (1003629530) Error Class Code: 49 Etc. Now up2date returns that message and exits when I start it. I can understand throttling off 1GB/day bandwidth hogs or folks who are pounding on RHN by running up2date every minute, but I'm neither. Is it possible there's something wrong with my Severn box's config? Here is the output of 'rpm -qa | grep up2date': up2date-3.9.28-2 ip2date-gnome-3.9.28-2 And 'rpm -qa | grep rhn': rhn-applet-2.0.10-6 rhnlib-1.4-1 I have observed one other bit of up2date weirdness on this box. It keeps offering to update aspell-0.50.3-15 to aspell-0.50.3-15 (i.e., same version). rpm --rebuilddb has not solved that. Cheers, Mark From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Sep 18 16:18:33 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:18:33 -0500 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F696E31.4030706@dds.nl> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <1063795894.28255.2652.camel@duck.digidread.com> <3F691755.8030509@farorbit.com> <3F696E31.4030706@dds.nl> Message-ID: <3F69DAD9.6040209@farorbit.com> the HID is loaded but unused... How can I make it talk to the joystic? Klaasjan Brand wrote: > stephan schutter wrote: > >> >> I can see the sidewinder in the hardware browser -- when I ran jstest... > > > If it's an usb stick you'll see it on the list of usb devices anyway; > even without driver. > Usb joysticks will be handled by the hid driver (the same one that > drivers keyboards and mice), so try loading that one. > >> here is what I got: >> >> [stephans at imhothep dev]$ ls j* >> jmouse js0 js1 js2 js3 jsfd jsflash > > > The /dev entries are always available, even when the hardware is not > available... > >> [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js0 >> jstest: No such device > > > That one should work if you have a joystick attached and the right driver. > >> [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/jsflash >> jstest: No such device > > > If you were running a sun javastation you could have damaged your flash > rom ;) - ever heard of knowing what you're doing? Randomly probing /dev > entries won't help you much... > > Klaasjan > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Sep 18 16:03:21 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:03:21 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 In-Reply-To: <1063861602.22404.10.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> References: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> <1063861602.22404.10.camel@luser.ckloiber.com> Message-ID: <3F69D749.1020900@farorbit.com> How do you make make xconfig work so you can install the new kernel? (2.6) Chris Kloiber wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 13:36, lars wrote: > >>hi >> >>tried out the new kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 rpm >>on an nforce2 board (a7n8x) and i cant get it to startup. >>it just hangs after displaying "press "i" for interactive..." >>no further messages displayed. >>kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.34 rpm worked fine here. >> >>anyone have the same behavior? > > > I'm not trying it at the moment, but the "Press I" prompt is well into > the initscritps. Perhaps you need to update or modify them? > From tjb at unh.edu Thu Sep 18 18:33:21 2003 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:33:21 -0400 Subject: redhat-artwork Message-ID: <1063910001.31540.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> What ever became of the new GTK+ color scheme "Bluecurve-BerriesAndCream"? Thanks, tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 12:45:45 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:45:45 -0400 Subject: ext3 from WinXP? In-Reply-To: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger>; from louisg00@bellsouth.net on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:08:48AM -0400 References: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <20030918084545.A4898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:08:48AM -0400, Louis Garcia wrote: > Also, hope beta2 is out for Mon. Not quite, alas. But now that we're pushing rawhide to RHN daily, it's really not nearly so important precisely when we cut new images -- the testing we've been getting on daily pushes is better than a new ISO because we don't have to wait for days for mirrors to sync and people to find a round tuit to install it. Most testing on an image seems to happen when most packages in it are at least two weeks old; with RHN we're getting fixes tested in a day, and good feedback sooner after modifying packages, which means fixes are more efficient. So folks, please subscribe and keep your beta systems up2date with the "Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates" channel. Thanks! michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From ted at cypress.com Thu Sep 18 14:38:22 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:38:22 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 In-Reply-To: <20030918071110.GA24810@ee.oulu.fi> References: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> <3F68BFF2.7050701@njit.edu> <1063844486.5244.2.camel@localhost> <20030918071110.GA24810@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <3F69C35E.7060501@cypress.com> Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > a login prompt, but problems continue there, e.g. if you run rpm > it claims it can't open rpmrc. -0.5.1.34 is just fine. Is the filesystem that containg rpmrc mounted properly? -Thomas From hp at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 19:17:38 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 18 Sep 2003 15:17:38 -0400 Subject: gnome-terminal updates? In-Reply-To: <3F67A67A.30984.145E5D@localhost> References: <3F67A67A.30984.145E5D@localhost> Message-ID: <1063912658.31558.52.camel@dhcppc3> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 18:10, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Just wondering if we can expect updates for gnome-terminal to 2.4.0 any > day soon. I want to file a bug on scrolling uglyness in gnome-terminal, but > I thought I'd wait for 2.4.0 and check if the problem still exists before > actually filing a bug. Scrolling is the VTE terminal emulator widget, should be filed on the vte component. gnome-terminal is just the menubar and dialogs, not the terminal area in the middle. Havoc From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 17:39:51 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:39:51 -0400 Subject: RHN abuse of service? In-Reply-To: <005d01c37ec9$a1b8b970$0181a8c0@icontrolinc.com>; from mhowell@northlink.com on Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 09:18:01AM -0700 References: <005d01c37ec9$a1b8b970$0181a8c0@icontrolinc.com> Message-ID: <20030919133951.A3255@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 09:18:01AM -0700, Mark Howell wrote: > I'm having problems with up2date. A few days ago I started getting abuse of > service error messages when running up2date. I'd had some problems getting > up2date and rpm to complete as I fetched updates to get my Severn box caught > up on the Severn updates channel, so I ran up2date many times trying to get > all that sorted out. > > I e'd RH support last week and got a reply asking if I was running up2date > too frequently, but since I don't know what too frequently is, that's hard > to answer. In practice, I run it if I know there's a patch I need to fetch > (e.g. openssh this week) or if I notice the applet says it's time. Well, you can answer that way to the support person who replied, if you have not already done so. That doesn't sound to me like abuse. So that everyone knows how to ask for RHN help, I'll post a useful URL here (if you have a paid RHN subscription, log in before visiting this URL and you'll get more information): https://rhn.redhat.com/help/contact.pxt michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jbinpg at shaw.ca Fri Sep 19 17:49:54 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:49:54 -0700 Subject: ext3 from WinXP? In-Reply-To: <20030918084545.A4898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger> <20030918084545.A4898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030919174954.GB8126@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:45:45AM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: [snip] > So folks, please subscribe and keep your beta systems up2date > with the "Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates" channel. I tried that channel yesterday but it said there was nothing in it. User error? -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Sep 19 18:23:16 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:23:16 -0700 Subject: Changing up2date to severn channel Message-ID: <1063995796.3f6b49946ddf4@mars.lunarpages.com> quoting Michael Schwendt: > Well, using up2date to perform a distribution upgrade is not a > supported update-path. But you can take a close look at the bottom of > "up2date --help" and try what you'll find there. Have fun if it breaks > your system into pieces. Can someone from Red Hat clarify if the --upgrade-to-release option of up2date is an officially supported way to do a live upgrade from one channel to another? I recently noticed this option on my RH 9 box, and was under the impression I could use it to 'upgrade' to any channel available (with the obvious exception of RHEL channels for which I have no license). From jphillips at amphus.com Fri Sep 19 18:28:37 2003 From: jphillips at amphus.com (Joseph Phillips) Date: 19 Sep 2003 11:28:37 -0700 Subject: Changing up2date to severn channel In-Reply-To: <1063995796.3f6b49946ddf4@mars.lunarpages.com> References: <1063995796.3f6b49946ddf4@mars.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <1063996117.1928.4.camel@hawk> I tried: up2date --upgrade-to-release severn But it says that it can't find this channel 'severn'. Does anyone know what is the name of the channel that will work for this up2date option? On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 11:23, Justin Georgeson wrote: > quoting Michael Schwendt: > > > Well, using up2date to perform a distribution upgrade is not a > > supported update-path. But you can take a close look at the bottom of > > "up2date --help" and try what you'll find there. Have fun if it breaks > > your system into pieces. > > Can someone from Red Hat clarify if the --upgrade-to-release option of up2date > is an officially supported way to do a live upgrade from one channel to another? > I recently noticed this option on my RH 9 box, and was under the impression I > could use it to 'upgrade' to any channel available (with the obvious exception > of RHEL channels for which I have no license). > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Sep 18 13:43:57 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:43:57 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 Message-ID: <200309181543.57855.terraformers@gmx.net> good to see im not the only one with this problem. of today there is a new version kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.36 will give it a try. seems that 2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 was broken then. thanks lars From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Thu Sep 18 21:35:32 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:35:32 +0200 Subject: Redhat Lite Message-ID: <1063920931.5582.5.camel@albert> I think it would be nice to have something like Redhat Lite. Something like Morphix, or Knoppix, but Redhat based, like Adios(Adios is basically a Redhat 8 Live CD). It would be nice to have a GUI rescue tool, which doubles as your installation CD. I think it is pretty simple, just have the CD have a nice, quite minimal install (That means leaving out stuff like Apache, One desktop enivronment (Although Adios has two, GNOME and KDE on one disk) Installation could then proceed by just copying the image to HD, and then detecting and setting up hardware, something Redhat does quite well. I have absolutely no idea how much effort this could take though, but then Linux installations would then have far surpassed Windows. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Sep 18 21:58:34 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:58:34 -0600 Subject: Updated GTK+ dialogs Message-ID: <1063922314.7735.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Any chance of including the updated GTK+ 2.4 dialogs to play with? I also was considering just installing the GTK+ 2.2.3 patches from http://members.chello.nl/~h.lai/gtkenhancements if they will work. I'd like to see those improvements available sooner rather than later. Thoughts, ideas, comments? Cheers, Chris Williams -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Sep 18 16:04:27 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:04:27 -0500 Subject: ext3 from WinXP? In-Reply-To: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger> References: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <3F69D78B.2000104@farorbit.com> I think that you can find this at eoither sysinternals.com driverhq.com... Louis Garcia wrote: > I have a dual boot box and just wondering if their's an ext3 driver for > winXP? I need to read/write to an ext3 partition, tired of using fat. > > Also, hope beta2 is out for Mon. > > --Lou > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Thu Sep 18 22:30:18 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:30:18 +0200 Subject: problems to keep servern current? Message-ID: <1063924218.3339.18.camel@ibmLinux.athome.de> Folks, excuse me, if my questions has been discussed before. What is the preferred way to keep severn up2date? At Redhat Network the Severn Beta channel seems to be inactive at the moment (I get the message my fresh installation of severn is fully updated). I tried yum, as mentioned in some postings (yum update) and it did a lot of work. It downloads Rawhide files (and freshrpm), but no special severn updates. And it doesn't work, e.g. for XFree86 or evolution, because of unavailable prerequisites. Thanks Peter -- ----------------------- Peter Boy Tel.: (0421) 218-44374 (0421) 230 757 ----------------------- From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Sep 18 17:02:57 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:02:57 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 Message-ID: <200309181902.57219.terraformers@gmx.net> thanks for the answers kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.36 from today works fine (again) :) best lars From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Thu Sep 18 19:53:08 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:53:08 -0700 Subject: Sept. 15th Announcement? References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030916171532.A18569@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F68BBC7.8010509@intel.com> <20030917222823.A29566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6A0D24.1080009@intel.com> Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:53:43PM -0700, Taylor, ForrestX wrote: > >>Michael K. Johnson wrote: >> >>>This time, we got the site changed a bit earlier. It now says: >>> >>> o We will update our web site with the new name and new schedule >>> by the Monday the 22nd of September, weather permitting. >> >>You need to drop the extra 'the' before Monday. > > > Well, it's a typo. But with all the hurricane preparations underway, > I'm tempted to just let our IS folks get on with that rather than > fix a typo. We'll have a real site up soon, with brand new typos! > > :-) Yes, by all means, SAVE YOURSELVES ;o) From s.held at pcservice.de Fri Sep 19 08:24:32 2003 From: s.held at pcservice.de (Stefan Held) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:24:32 +0200 Subject: krb5-libs broken? Message-ID: <1063959872.28054.3.camel@pc-sh.intern.pcservice.de> I am running actual rawhide, it seems that krb5-libs is missing some libs in /usr/kerberos/libs Am i wrong or why are they missing? -- ___ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ -*- If Linux doesn't have the solution, / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / you have the wrong problem -*- /_____/_/_//_/\___/ /_/\_\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan Held s.held at pcservice.de PC Service GmbH http://www.pcservice.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG-Keyprint = 626E E119 0142 CB25 F754 EF52 BE18 3B5F E378 172B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 18:44:53 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:44:53 -0400 Subject: Updated GTK+ dialogs In-Reply-To: <1063922314.7735.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net>; from chrisw01@privatei.com on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:58:34PM -0600 References: <1063922314.7735.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030919144453.F19742@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Christopher A. Williams (chrisw01 at privatei.com) said: > Any chance of including the updated GTK+ 2.4 dialogs to play with? I > also was considering just installing the GTK+ 2.2.3 patches from > http://members.chello.nl/~h.lai/gtkenhancements if they will work. I'd > like to see those improvements available sooner rather than later. > > Thoughts, ideas, comments? I doubt we'd differ the dialogs from upstream GTK+. Bill From ted at cypress.com Thu Sep 18 14:34:21 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:34:21 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F688CF0.1050107@earthlink.net> References: <1063814102.32351.8.camel@spatula> <3F688CF0.1050107@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F69C26D.40307@cypress.com> Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Jef Spaleta wrote: >> -jef"is it bad to be hoping the hurricane floods where i live just >> enough so i can stay home friday?"spaleta > > Yes it is. But it's okay to pray for snow days. Maybe because there's > nothing to mitigate hurricane damage, while there IS show plows... Ever seen a roof collapse under the weight of snow? How about power lines breaking, or tree limbs falling on them? That fluffy white stuff gets heavy real quick... Mother nature can and will be a real bitch. -Thomas From cherring at nbbc.edu Thu Sep 18 12:53:43 2003 From: cherring at nbbc.edu (Craig Herring) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:53:43 -0500 Subject: KDE smb browsing share problem Message-ID: <04875CB4331F0240A0AD66F970978651C30196@paul> It seems in the latest version of KDE on rawhide that when you try to browse to a smb share from a windows box even after putting in the correct user account info in the Network Config in the control panel that a login box continually pops up requesting you to login again. Has anyone else had this problem? In konqueror: smb://server.domain.name/share {then pop-up box} Thanks, Craig Herring From tcallawa at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 03:17:16 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: 18 Sep 2003 22:17:16 -0500 Subject: swsusp Message-ID: <1063941435.18295.35.camel@zorak> Accidentally sent it just to Axel... here it is for anyone else feeling lucky. On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:23, Axel Thimm wrote: > Any chance you could adjust rc9(-incremental) to apply, too? Thanks! Same disclaimer applies. Patch 8-whole, then 9-incremental. http://people.redhat.com/tcallawa/swsusp/linux-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl-swsusp-1.1-rc9-incremental.patch ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 18:47:36 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: problems to keep servern current? In-Reply-To: <1063924218.3339.18.camel@ibmLinux.athome.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Peter wrote: > At Redhat Network the Severn Beta channel seems to be inactive at the > moment (I get the message my fresh installation of severn is fully > updated). If you want to use RHN, you need to subscribe to the Severn updates channel via the RHN web interface. This channel is different from the main Severn Beta channel. -- Elliot Addiction is anything that offers itself as the solution for the problems it causes. From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 18:51:12 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: krb5-libs broken? In-Reply-To: <1063959872.28054.3.camel@pc-sh.intern.pcservice.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Stefan Held wrote: > I am running actual rawhide, it seems that krb5-libs is > missing some libs in /usr/kerberos/libs > > > Am i wrong or why are they missing? libcom_err may appear to be missing because it has been removed in krb5-1.3. It's not supposed to be there any more. If it's not libcom_err you're referring to, which other libraries do you think should be there that aren't? -- Elliot Addiction is anything that offers itself as the solution for the problems it causes. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Sep 19 18:51:13 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 19 Sep 2003 14:51:13 -0400 Subject: problems to keep servern current? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1063997472.30787.143.camel@opus> > Addiction is anything that offers itself as the solution for the problems > it causes. You mean like computers? :) -sv From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 19:03:42 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:03:42 -0400 Subject: Updated GTK+ dialogs In-Reply-To: <1063922314.7735.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1063922314.7735.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1063998221.26189.120.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:58, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Any chance of including the updated GTK+ 2.4 dialogs to play with? I > also was considering just installing the GTK+ 2.2.3 patches from > http://members.chello.nl/~h.lai/gtkenhancements if they will work. I'd > like to see those improvements available sooner rather than later. > > Thoughts, ideas, comments? No. Changing the current file selector has serious compatibility issues, and is not the way forward. Owen From janina at rednote.net Thu Sep 18 15:50:32 2003 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:50:32 -0400 Subject: hwbrowser In-Reply-To: <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030918155031.GX9372@rednote.net> A word of caution. You run the risk of making the functions supported inaccessible to persons with disabilities. Because so much of the GUI in Linux is, and will be for some time, inaccessible, not having a text way to cope, can take the outstanding accessibility of the console, out. Should anyone care? Besides the ethical reasons of our vaunted opensource inclusivity, there's the matter of commercial interest for anyone selling systems to the Feds, and other entities where accessibility is a selection criterion. Just a thought in hope of enlarging the scope of criteria governing your decision matrix. Bill Nottingham writes: > From: Bill Nottingham > > John Mizell (jrmizell at earthlink.net) said: > > Is there a way we can have a text verson of this utility (hwbrowser)? > > It's not currently planned. There's 'less /etc/sysconfig/hwconf', > but that's sort of ugly. :) > > Bill > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 From pp at ee.oulu.fi Thu Sep 18 17:09:08 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:09:08 +0300 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 In-Reply-To: <20030918071110.GA24810@ee.oulu.fi> References: <200309171936.10592.terraformers@gmx.net> <3F68BFF2.7050701@njit.edu> <1063844486.5244.2.camel@localhost> <20030918071110.GA24810@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <20030918170908.GA814@ee.oulu.fi> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:11:10AM +0300, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > I tried to compile the kernel without selinux, and had similar problems > so it might be something else as well. If you alt-sysrq-I you get to > a login prompt, but problems continue there, e.g. if you run rpm > it claims it can't open rpmrc. -0.5.1.34 is just fine. And 2.6.0-0.test5.1.36 is happy as well :-) -- Pekka Pietikainen From mharris at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 13:36:46 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: samsung syncmaster - monitor_database In-Reply-To: <3F5AEEAA.5080801@gmx.de> References: <3F5AEEAA.5080801@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: >will_be_recognized/are_supported >the samsung syncmaster 15x, 17x, 19x >in severn1 or higher ? > > >some monitors should be replaced in the near future @work >@home i can not find a similar entry in the monitor-list from >redhat-config-xfree86 > > > >overview: >http://monitor.samsung.de/index_tft_syncmaster.asp > > >152T TFT >http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=318 > >172T TFT >http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=391 > >192T MM TFT >http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=810 > > > >in which file can i find the monitor_database? > >?? /usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py >import rhpl.monitor ?? It is important to realize that monitors are auto-detected by DDC probing the monitor. If the software gets a response from the probe, then the monitor is successfully autodetected and can be configured with the settings that the monitor provided. The monitor hardware database is not required for autodetection at all, and no monitor entry needs to be present for a monitor to work with XFree86 properly. The monitor database is there for 3 reasons only: 1) To list monitors that do not support DDC at all, and need to have their entries there so the user can manually choose them from a list. 2) To allow the user to pick the monitor from a list if DDC probing does not work for any reason including the video card or monitor not supporting DDC, or the video driver not supporting DDC, or if a KVM switch or other device interferes with the DDC signal, or if the monitor is powered off during DDC probing. There are other potential reasons why DDC probing may fail as well. 3) To override the settings returned by a given monitor model when they are known to be incorrect due to the manufacturer shipping defective hardware. Yes, this happens. ;o( So if DDC _can_ probe your display and it works, there's no need to have the display listed in the database for you to use it per se. Nonetheless, we don't mind adding any new displays to the database. All you have to do, is attach Microsoft Windows .INF files supplied by the monitor manufacturer into a bugzilla bug report that requests the entries be added to the database. Feel free to attach all .INF files for all monitors of a given brand, or of as many brands as you like, and they'll all get processed simultaneously. Hope this helps. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From jeff.lawlor at med.va.gov Thu Sep 18 17:37:52 2003 From: jeff.lawlor at med.va.gov (Jeff Lawlor) Date: 18 Sep 2003 12:37:52 -0500 Subject: updated SSL rpm's Message-ID: <1063906672.15086.14.camel@ist-bb7> Getting ssl certificate errors while attempting registering my severn beta install. Are there updated versions available for the beta?\ -- JL >From my Linux workstation Tuscaloosa From shrek-m at gmx.de Thu Sep 18 14:44:19 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:44:19 +0200 Subject: delegation-only patch for bind - please consider this! In-Reply-To: <3F6872EF.5030504@redhat.com> References: <200309170803.51708.nbecker@hns.com> <3F6872EF.5030504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F69C4C3.1060905@gmx.de> Daniel J Walsh wrote: > rpm was built this morning; should be coming to a rawhide near you > tomorrow. > > bind-9.2.2-23 > > Chris Ricker wrote: > >>On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> >> >> >>>http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html >>> >>> >> >>Agreed. It's Bug #104569 if you want to track it.... >> zone "com" is ok ;-) # /usr/local/sbin/named -v BIND 9.2.3rc2 $ grep -1 delegation /etc/named.conf zone "com" { type delegation-only; }; $ host blablablubber.com Host blablablubber.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) but why happens this ? $ grep -1 delegation /etc/named.conf zone "." { type delegation-only; }; $ host blablablubber.com blablablubber.com has address 64.94.110.11 -- shrek-m From pgunn at dachte.org Thu Sep 18 15:09:51 2003 From: pgunn at dachte.org (Pat Gunn) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:9:51 -0500 Subject: xterm busted? Message-ID: <200309181409.h8IE9pSp010658@dachte.org> Anyone else been having this problem? # up2date xterm .... Installing... 1:xterm ########################################### [100%] There was a fatal RPM install error. The message was: There was a rpm unpack error installing the package: xterm-179-5 # --- Pat Gunn mod: csna, bmcm, bmco, cooa, cona, clpd comod: coom http://dachte.org "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." --Italian Proverb From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Sep 19 19:17:51 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:17:51 +0200 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.35 Message-ID: <200309192117.51132.terraformers@gmx.net> tried "5.1.36" and it works again nicely. hey! cool, theres a new "5.1.38" waiting for testing! :) best, lars From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 19:31:38 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:31:38 -0400 Subject: xterm busted? In-Reply-To: <200309181409.h8IE9pSp010658@dachte.org>; from pgunn@dachte.org on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:09:51AM -0500 References: <200309181409.h8IE9pSp010658@dachte.org> Message-ID: <20030919153138.E22242@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Pat Gunn (pgunn at dachte.org) said: > Anyone else been having this problem? > > # up2date xterm > .... Remove the old version first, it was broken. Bill From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Sep 19 19:50:12 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:50:12 +0200 Subject: Changing up2date to severn channel In-Reply-To: <1063996117.1928.4.camel@hawk> References: <1063995796.3f6b49946ddf4@mars.lunarpages.com> <1063996117.1928.4.camel@hawk> Message-ID: <20030919215012.66f9a2dc.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 19 Sep 2003 11:28:37 -0700, Joseph Phillips wrote: > I tried: > > up2date --upgrade-to-release severn > > But it says that it can't find this channel 'severn'. Does anyone know > what is the name of the channel that will work for this up2date option? Try: up2date -u --upgrade-to-release=9.0.93 Unsupported, though. And to subscribe to the redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates channel later, I think you would need to visit https://rhn.redhat.com - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/a1300iMVcrivHFQRAnjVAJ9+Esbk+zkqP7ZIqLYcbjxO8dIo+wCcDecE x+UiU7K6MqTusHkhKMrdEEs= =WKo/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Sep 19 19:57:27 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:57:27 -0500 Subject: updated SSL rpm's In-Reply-To: <1063906672.15086.14.camel@ist-bb7> References: <1063906672.15086.14.camel@ist-bb7> Message-ID: <3F6B5FA7.1050307@lopht.net> I don't know the timeline, but new up2date RPMs were released because the certificate RH uses expired. Try installing the up2date RPM's from the front page of rhn.redhat.com. Jeff Lawlor wrote: > Getting ssl certificate errors while attempting registering my severn > beta install. Are there updated versions available for the beta?\ > -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From nosp at xades.com Fri Sep 19 20:03:36 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:03:36 +0100 Subject: gdb src package missing from severn-updates channel? Message-ID: <1064001816.8381.14.camel@earth.xades.com> Searched the mailing list archives for this one, but couldn't find anything. Anyone come across/can explain this error? If not I'll bugzilla it as recommended by the error message. --- gdb-5.3.90-0.20030710.29.i3 ########################## Done. File Not Found: gdb-5.3.90-0.20030710.29.src.rpm Error Message: Invalid RPM package gdb-5.3.90-0.20030710.29.src.rpm requested Error Class Code: 17 Error Class Info: File not found. Explanation: An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and details on how to reproduce this problem. --- Thanks, Martin PS -- hope all you Carolinas RH people are safe & sound. From rhl at farorbit.com Thu Sep 18 16:16:45 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:16:45 -0500 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F696E31.4030706@dds.nl> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <1063795894.28255.2652.camel@duck.digidread.com> <3F691755.8030509@farorbit.com> <3F696E31.4030706@dds.nl> Message-ID: <3F69DA6D.9000607@farorbit.com> There does not seem to be any drivers included... any ideas? none of the usb modules seem to be joystick related... [root at imhothep usb]# ls acm.o catc.o host konicawc.o powermate.o scanner.o tiglusb.o usbnet.o aiptek.o CDCEther.o hpusbscsi.o mdc800.o printer.o se401.o ultracam.o usbvideo.o audio.o dabusb.o ibmcam.o microtek.o pwc.o serial usbcore.o uss720.o auerswald.o dsbr100.o kaweth.o ov511.o rio500.o storage usblcd.o vicam.o brlvger.o hid.o kbtab.o pegasus.o rtl8150.o stv680.o usb-midi.o wacom.o folders in modules... addon block cdrom crypto ide input md message parport scsi sound usb atm bluetooth char i2c ieee1394 isdn media net pcmcia sensors telephony video and nothing loaded: [root at imhothep root]# lsmod Module Size Used by Tainted: PF joydev 7264 0 (unused) udf 97152 0 (autoclean) cmpci 35400 1 (autoclean) soundcore 6468 4 (autoclean) [cmpci] agpgart 47968 3 (autoclean) nvidia 1764992 11 (autoclean) vmnet 23720 6 vmmon 28084 0 parport_pc 18788 1 (autoclean) lp 8804 0 (autoclean) parport 36800 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] autofs 13108 0 (autoclean) (unused) tulip 43488 1 ipt_REJECT 3992 2 (autoclean) iptable_filter 2412 1 (autoclean) ip_tables 14648 2 [ipt_REJECT iptable_filter] sg 35852 0 (autoclean) sr_mod 17720 0 (autoclean) ide-scsi 11984 0 scsi_mod 106520 3 [sg sr_mod ide-scsi] ide-cd 35424 0 cdrom 33216 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] printer 8896 1 keybdev 2912 0 (unused) mousedev 5428 1 hid 21892 0 (unused) input 5792 0 [joydev keybdev mousedev hid] usb-uhci 25996 0 (unused) usbcore 78272 1 [printer hid usb-uhci] ext3 69984 2 jbd 51508 2 [ext3] Klaasjan Brand wrote: > stephan schutter wrote: > >> >> I can see the sidewinder in the hardware browser -- when I ran jstest... > > > If it's an usb stick you'll see it on the list of usb devices anyway; > even without driver. > Usb joysticks will be handled by the hid driver (the same one that > drivers keyboards and mice), so try loading that one. > >> here is what I got: >> >> [stephans at imhothep dev]$ ls j* >> jmouse js0 js1 js2 js3 jsfd jsflash > > > The /dev entries are always available, even when the hardware is not > available... > >> [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/js0 >> jstest: No such device > > > That one should work if you have a joystick attached and the right driver. > >> [root at imhothep dev]# jstest --normal /dev/jsflash >> jstest: No such device > > > If you were running a sun javastation you could have damaged your flash > rom ;) - ever heard of knowing what you're doing? Randomly probing /dev > entries won't help you much... > > Klaasjan > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From mharris at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 13:25:54 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F68BF27.2000608@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> <1063827772.8003.21.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F68BF27.2000608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Bryan W. Headley wrote: >> In the middle of all this discussion, has anyone noticed that MPlayer is >> now at version 1.0pre1? If the Fedora guys are hanging around here, >> what's the chance of re-packaging this version? Apparently, it's taken >> from a totally different branch than version 0.91, which is apparently >> not going to be supported anymore. >> >> Seems the point about not including MPlayer in RHL is an easy one. Just >> don't do it. Seems far too risky... > >Let's do one of those "get third party deb files" -- you install it, >it's specfile fires up wget, gets the binary from the homesite, and says >"well, you knew the licensing issues when you installed me." > >I can be pure and I can avoid issues. :-) Intent is 9 tenths of the law. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From shrek-m at gmx.de Fri Sep 19 20:18:12 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:18:12 +0200 Subject: samsung syncmaster - monitor_database In-Reply-To: References: <3F5AEEAA.5080801@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F6B6484.4000306@gmx.de> Mike A. Harris wrote: >On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > > >>will_be_recognized/are_supported >>the samsung syncmaster 15x, 17x, 19x >>in severn1 or higher ? >>[...] >> >>in which file can i find the monitor_database? >> >>?? /usr/share/redhat-config-xfree86/xconf.py >>import rhpl.monitor ?? >> >> > >It is important to realize that monitors are auto-detected by DDC >probing the monitor. If the software gets a response from the >probe, then the monitor is successfully autodetected and can be >configured with the settings that the monitor provided. > >The monitor hardware database is not required for autodetection >at all, and no monitor entry needs to be present for a monitor to >work with XFree86 properly. > >The monitor database is there for 3 reasons only: > >1) To list monitors that do not support DDC at all, and need to > have their entries there so the user can manually choose them > from a list. > >2) To allow the user to pick the monitor from a list if DDC > probing does not work for any reason including the video card > or monitor not supporting DDC, or the video driver not > supporting DDC, or if a KVM switch or other device interferes > with the DDC signal, or if the monitor is powered off during > DDC probing. There are other potential reasons why DDC > probing may fail as well. > >3) To override the settings returned by a given monitor model > when they are known to be incorrect due to the manufacturer > shipping defective hardware. Yes, this happens. ;o( > > >So if DDC _can_ probe your display and it works, there's no need >to have the display listed in the database for you to use it per >se. > >Nonetheless, we don't mind adding any new displays to the >database. All you have to do, is attach Microsoft Windows .INF >files supplied by the monitor manufacturer into a bugzilla bug >report that requests the entries be added to the database. Feel >free to attach all .INF files for all monitors of a given brand, >or of as many brands as you like, and they'll all get processed >simultaneously. > > >Hope this helps. > yes :-) i will try it as soon as possible, if it fails i will file a bug with the *.inf?s -- shrek-m From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Sep 18 16:23:08 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: 18 Sep 2003 18:23:08 +0200 Subject: New Rawhide packages Message-ID: <1063902187.18419.3.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Hi all, I've put up Rawhide-built packages at the usual location -- http://lisas.de/~nils/redhat/rawhide/... -- for the following programs: Galeon 1.3.9 Enigma 0.80 beta dink-sdl 0.0.1 Enjoy, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Thu Sep 18 22:23:13 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:23:13 +0300 Subject: swsusp In-Reply-To: <1063843727.4716.45.camel@zorak> References: <20030916174255.GB1578@pua.nirvana> <20030916180105.GD8764@redhat.com> <20030916185645.GA3022@pua.nirvana> <1063843727.4716.45.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <20030918222313.GB4228@pua.nirvana> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 07:08:48PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > It might never be in the official RHL kernel, but I took a crack at > making swsusp patches that apply to the rawhide kernel tree. Thanks! > Please note, this patch builds for me, but I never booted it. It may eat > your children, and if it does so, you have no one to blame but yourself. No, problem, closest match to children are my cats, so I go for it ;) Any chance you could adjust rc9(-incremental) to apply, too? Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Sep 19 01:01:19 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (RHL User) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:01:19 -0400 Subject: GNOME not starting and Xfree86 log file for 815 chipset Message-ID: <3F6A555F.70607@insight.rr.com> I have been having trouble with GNOME starting since upgrading to Severn. This problem happened with RHL9 with the nptl rawhide kernels also. Attached is my XFree86.log file for the GNOME startx attempt. KDE starts alright. GNOME will launch and lockup at the initializing screen. No process ICONS ever get displayed. This is on an 800 MHz - 815 chipset based computer with 512 Megs of memory and a PIII processor. Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: XFree86.0.log.815chipset URL: From jspaleta at princeton.edu Fri Sep 19 20:39:42 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 19 Sep 2003 16:39:42 -0400 Subject: Redhat Lite Message-ID: <1064003981.3524.24.camel@spatula> Maynard Kuona: > It would be nice to have a GUI rescue > tool, which doubles as your installation CD It would be nice....and if I do a little mailinglist thread stitching...I would say the idea to make the 1st CD a more gui(some would say more functional) rescue mode, works well with the previous idea some people in this community had about making the 'minimal' install more minimal. If we can come up with a smaller minimal install, we can have a 1st Cd that has more room for a rescue mode...and still be able to get a minimal install done with one CD. Too bad the thread about people's intent to rework the minimal install groupings dried up. Did anyone ever come back to this list with a finished reworked comps file for the community to test? I don't want to name names (mostly becuase that would require datamining the thread archive and i don't care that much) but it would be nice if people who said they wanted to play with the comps file to make the minimal install better actually reported back with a testable/discussable file. >I have absolutely no idea >how much effort this could take though, As it stands...i would say this sort of thing that takes just enough effort for Red Hat not to assign employee time to, given the other priorities that need to be worked on. This sort of things is exactly the thing technically inclined community volunteers could work on as a sort of aside and get polished up with less direct involvement of Red Hat paid for development manhours. -jef"pretty sure Red Hat is still taking patches about 'minimal' install...and i'm still sure there are people on this list who'd love to play with community hacked up alternative install iso images to test rescue mode and minimal install options"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bwheadley at earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 21:02:12 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:02:12 -0500 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> <1063827772.8003.21.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F68BF27.2000608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F6B6ED4.5060208@earthlink.net> Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > >>Let's do one of those "get third party deb files" -- you install it, >>it's specfile fires up wget, gets the binary from the homesite, and says >>"well, you knew the licensing issues when you installed me." >> >>I can be pure and I can avoid issues. :-) > > > Intent is 9 tenths of the law. I don't know. The Debian people are more "pristine" than newborn babes, and they do this... Hey! Are we being as careful with GIFs? -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From jbinpg at shaw.ca Fri Sep 19 21:07:57 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:07:57 -0700 Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <1063920931.5582.5.camel@albert> References: <1063920931.5582.5.camel@albert> Message-ID: <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:35:32PM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: > I think it would be nice to have something like Redhat Lite. Something > like Morphix, or Knoppix, but Redhat based, like Adios(Adios is > basically a Redhat 8 Live CD). It would be nice to have a GUI rescue > tool, which doubles as your installation CD. I think it is pretty > simple, just have the CD have a nice, quite minimal install (That means > leaving out stuff like Apache, One desktop enivronment (Although Adios > has two, GNOME and KDE on one disk) Installation could then proceed by > just copying the image to HD, and then detecting and setting up > hardware, something Redhat does quite well. I have absolutely no idea > how much effort this could take though, but then Linux installations > would then have far surpassed Windows. It's been done. Popped up on freshmeat.net a few nights ago. Do a site search there for something like "rescue CD Redhat" since I can't remember the name of the project. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From bwheadley at earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 21:22:24 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:22:24 -0500 Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <1063920931.5582.5.camel@albert> <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3F6B7390.2020907@earthlink.net> Jack Bowling wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:35:32PM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: > It's been done. Popped up on freshmeat.net a few nights ago. Do a site > search there for something like "rescue CD Redhat" since I can't remember > the name of the project. > While doing that, I espy: http://sourceforge.net/projects/getcodecs/ GetCodecs is a simple applet written in python with a GTK2 GUI that downloads, installs, and configures your system to use the various multimedia formats (MP3, DivX, DVD, etc) that are not shipped with many distributions (such as RedHat). -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From seyman at wanadoo.fr Fri Sep 19 22:17:53 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:17:53 +0200 Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> References: <1063920931.5582.5.camel@albert> <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <20030919221753.GA12924@orient.maison> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 02:07:57PM -0700, Jack Bowling wrote: > > It's been done. Popped up on freshmeat.net a few nights ago. Do a site > search there for something like "rescue CD Redhat" since I can't remember > the name of the project. Sounds like this one: http://freshmeat.net/projects/coollinuxcd/?topic_id=866%2C152%2C1012 Cool Linux CD is a bootable CD that contains a a live Linux distribution based on RedHat 7.3. It also includes the XFS filesystem, devfs, IceWM, QVWM, ROX-filer, OpenOffice.org, Opera, Mozilla, Sylpheed, Pan, Licq, X-chat, GFTP, ppp-redialer, xmms, xine, mplayer, gqview, LinNeighborhood, IPTraffic, VMWare, and more. Emmanuel From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Fri Sep 19 22:35:16 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:35:16 -0400 Subject: options to kernel? - to prevent pcmcia lockup In-Reply-To: <20030918010847.GJ8764@redhat.com> References: <3F667D44.1070000@insight.rr.com> <20030918010847.GJ8764@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6B84A4.8000407@insight.rr.com> I tried out the newer kernel-2.4.22-1.2051.nptl kernel with and without acpi enabled. The kernel seemed to have the same lockup as the previous versions with acpi not enabled by default. The beauty of installion the newer kernel is that it included acpi=on in the grub.conf file. I was fearing that I would have to manually edit all newer version kernels. dmesg reports the following for the reassigned irq assignments. Jim ------------- Linux version 2.4.22-1.2051.nptl (bhcompile at porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030422 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-6)) #1 Wed Sep 17 21:30:08 EDT 2003 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009f800 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000d0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000000f6f0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000f6f0000 - 000000000f6ff000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000000f6ff000 - 000000000f700000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 000000000f700000 - 000000000f800000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fffc0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 0MB HIGHMEM available. 246MB LOWMEM available. ACPI: have wakeup address 0xc0001000 On node 0 totalpages: 63216 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 59120 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. ACPI: RSDP (v000 PTLTD ) @ 0x000f7470 ACPI: RSDT (v001 PTLTD RSDT 0x06040000 LTP 0x00000000) @ 0x0f6f8c72 ACPI: FADT (v001 ATI Raptor 0x06040000 ATI 0x000f4240) @ 0x0f6fee4c ACPI: BOOT (v001 PTLTD $SBFTBL$ 0x06040000 LTP 0x00000001) @ 0x0f6feec0 ACPI: SSDT (v001 PTLTD POWERNOW 0x06040000 LTP 0x00000001) @ 0x0f6feee8 ACPI: DSDT (v001 ATI U1_M1535 0x06040000 MSFT 0x0100000d) @ 0x00000000 Kernel command line: ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi acpi=on ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi Initializing CPU#0 Detected 1523.898 MHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 3040.87 BogoMIPS Memory: 246136k/252864k available (1478k kernel code, 6340k reserved, 1107k data, 136k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line) Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383f9ff c1cbf9ff 00000000 00000000 CPU: Common caps: 0383f9ff c1cbf9ff 00000000 00000000 CPU: AMD mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ stepping 00 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch at atnf.csiro.au) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel ACPI: Subsystem revision 20030813 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd87b, last bus=2 PCI: Using configuration type 1 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing ACPI: System [ACPI] (supports S0 S3 S4 S5) ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.AGPB._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 6 *10) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 7 *11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 10) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 9) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 9) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs *11) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 9) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs *5 7) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKU] (IRQs 3) ACPI: Embedded Controller [EC0] (gpe 24) schedule_task(): keventd has not started PCI: Probing PCI hardware ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 10 00:00:01[A] -> IRQ 10 Mode 1 Trigger 1 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKU] enabled at IRQ 9 00:00:02[A] -> IRQ 9 Mode 1 Trigger 1 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] enabled at IRQ 9 PIC: IRQ (9) already programmed ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] enabled at IRQ 3 00:00:08[A] -> IRQ 3 Mode 1 Trigger 1 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] enabled at IRQ 5 00:00:06[A] -> IRQ 5 Mode 1 Trigger 1 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 11 00:00:12[A] -> IRQ 11 Mode 1 Trigger 1 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 9 PIC: IRQ (9) already programmed ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 9 PIC: IRQ (9) already programmed PIC: IRQ (9) already programmed ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] enabled at IRQ 11 PIC: IRQ (11) already programmed PIC: IRQ (11) already programmed PIC: IRQ (9) already programmed PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:10.0 PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing PCI: if you experience problems, try using option 'pci=noacpi' or even 'acpi=off' ATI Northbridge, reserving I/O ports 0x3b0 to 0x3bb. isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket apm: BIOS not found. Starting kswapd VFS: Disk quotas vdquot_6.5.1 Asus Laptop ACPI Extras version 0.24a pty: 2048 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled ttyS0 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Redundant entry in serial pci_table. Please send the output of lspci -vv, this message (10b9,5457,103c,0024) and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board to serial-pci-info at lists.sourceforge.net. register_serial(): autoconfig failed Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e NET4: Frame Diverter 0.46 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx Warning: ATI Radeon IGP Northbridge is not yet fully tested. ALI15X3: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:10.0 PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:10.0 ALI15X3: chipset revision 196 ALI15X3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x8080-0x8087, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x8088-0x808f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: FUJITSU MHS2030AT, ATA DISK drive blk: queue c0406be0, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2312, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: attached ide-disk driver. hda: host protected area => 1 hda: 58605120 sectors (30006 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=3648/255/63, UDMA(100) Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 > ide: late registration of driver. md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: autorun ... md: ... autorun DONE. Initializing Cryptographic API NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 16Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 32768) Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 Freeing initrd memory: 151k freed VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). Journalled Block Device driver loaded EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: recovery complete. EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Freeing unused kernel memory: 136k freed usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xd005a000, IRQ 9 usb-ohci.c: usb-00:02.0, ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 4 ports detected usb.c: registered new driver hiddev usb.c: registered new driver hid hid-core.c: v1.8.1 Andreas Gal, Vojtech Pavlik hid-core.c: USB HID support drivers mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,3), internal journal Adding Swap: 522072k swap-space (priority -1) kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,2), internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. ohci1394: $Rev: 1010 $ Ben Collins ohci1394_0: OHCI-1394 1.1 (PCI): IRQ=[9] MMIO=[e4007000-e40077ff] Max Packet=[2048] ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[000bcd009e338181] SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 hdc: attached ide-scsi driver. scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: DVD-ROM SD-R2312 Rev: 1905 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: irq 7 detected inserting floppy driver for 2.4.22-1.2051.nptl floppy0: no floppy controllers found natsemi dp8381x driver, version 1.07+LK1.0.17, Sep 27, 2002 originally by Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/natsemi.html 2.4.x kernel port by Jeff Garzik, Tjeerd Mulder divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 eth0: NatSemi DP8381[56] at 0xd0124000, 00:0b:cd:34:b0:16, IRQ 11. divert: freeing divert_blk for eth0 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team natsemi dp8381x driver, version 1.07+LK1.0.17, Sep 27, 2002 originally by Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/natsemi.html 2.4.x kernel port by Jeff Garzik, Tjeerd Mulder divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 eth0: NatSemi DP8381[56] at 0xd0137000, 00:0b:cd:34:b0:16, IRQ 11. eth0: link up. eth0: Setting full-duplex based on negotiated link capability. Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] Yenta IRQ list 04b8, PCI irq11 Socket status: 30000007 cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x378-0x37f 0x408-0x40f 0x480-0x48f 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: irq 7 detected lp0: using parport0 (polling). lp0: console ready Trident 4DWave/SiS 7018/ALi 5451,Tvia CyberPro 5050 PCI Audio, version 0.14.10h, 21:35:53 Sep 17 2003 trident: ALi Audio Accelerator found at IO 0x8400, IRQ 5 ac97_codec: AC97 Modem codec, id: CXT41 (Unknown) gameport0: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device at pci00:06.0 speed 2840 kHz Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:02:28PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > I am still having issues with the kernel locking up on the pcmcia > > modules. What is the kernel option to disable pcmcia? What should be put > > into the grub.conf file? > > This *might* be related to ACPI interrupt routing issues. > (Yes, even though it was disabled in recent kernels, it was still > being used for some things *sigh*). > I just committed a large set of patches against the ACPI IRQ routing > code, which may solve your problems in kernel 2051 and above. > > If you could give this a try, that would be appreciated. > > Dave > -- The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sat Sep 20 00:33:15 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gnome configuration problem Message-ID: Hi all, I have a severn box I just installed all of the updates on. When I try to change the default terminal by going to system tools -> terminal -> properties, I get an error "application:System/gnome-terminal.desktop readonly". After doing a little searching I figured out that if I edit /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop I could change the terminal and it works like I want it to. I did all of this as root so permissions should not be a problem but gnome seems to think root does not have permission to write to the file. Anyone else seeing this?? -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From ckloiber at redhat.com Sat Sep 20 00:44:32 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:44:32 -0400 Subject: updated SSL rpm's In-Reply-To: <1063906672.15086.14.camel@ist-bb7> References: <1063906672.15086.14.camel@ist-bb7> Message-ID: <1064018671.22778.24.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 13:37, Jeff Lawlor wrote: > Getting ssl certificate errors while attempting registering my severn > beta install. Are there updated versions available for the beta?\ Quick fix: # wget -q -O - https://rhn.redhat.com/help/new-cert.sh | /bin/bash -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Sep 20 00:57:42 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 19 Sep 2003 21:57:42 -0300 Subject: gdb src package missing from severn-updates channel? In-Reply-To: <1064001816.8381.14.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1064001816.8381.14.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: On Sep 19, 2003, nosp wrote: > Searched the mailing list archives for this one, but couldn't find > anything. Anyone come across/can explain this error? It means the SRPM for this package was accidentally not uploaded to RHN. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104438 -- Alexandre Oliva, GCC Team, Red Hat From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Sat Sep 20 01:50:42 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:50:42 +0200 Subject: krb5-libs broken? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064022641.2268.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 20:51, Elliot Lee wrote: > libcom_err may appear to be missing because it has been removed in > krb5-1.3. It's not supposed to be there any more. Now, it seems to be part of e2fsprogs... What is libcom_err supposed to do? From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sat Sep 20 03:18:02 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:18:02 -0400 Subject: xterm busted? In-Reply-To: <200309181409.h8IE9pSp010658@dachte.org> References: <200309181409.h8IE9pSp010658@dachte.org> Message-ID: <3F6BC6EA.6010103@insight.rr.com> Pat Gunn wrote: > Anyone else been having this problem? > > # up2date xterm > .... > > Installing... > 1:xterm ########################################### [100%] > There was a fatal RPM install error. The message was: > There was a rpm unpack error installing the package: xterm-179-5 > # > > > --- > Pat Gunn > mod: csna, bmcm, bmco, cooa, cona, clpd comod: coom > http://dachte.org > "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." > --Italian Proverb > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > I had the same troubles with getting xterm to install from rawhide. It requires XFree86-truetype-fonts. I am not sure why a basic xterm would require trutype fonts. Terminal fonts would be sufficient. BTW - I removed xterm and tried to install the program from RHN and it errored. I then ran yum and ended up getting the older version. Next, yum errored about depending upon an additional package. I ran the command below. (After apt-get suggested it.) apt-get upgrade xterm -f Jim -- The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sat Sep 20 03:24:13 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:24:13 -0400 Subject: xterm busted? -retraction In-Reply-To: <3F6BC6EA.6010103@insight.rr.com> References: <200309181409.h8IE9pSp010658@dachte.org> <3F6BC6EA.6010103@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F6BC85D.7090708@insight.rr.com> I have the same problem with xterm erroring out. I ran up2date after apt-get and it had the trutype-font package and xterm loaded again. Sorry for my previous "cure" ( xterm is busted) Jim --------------- Jim Cornette wrote: > Pat Gunn wrote: > >> Anyone else been having this problem? >> >> # up2date xterm >> .... >> >> Installing... >> 1:xterm >> ########################################### [100%] >> There was a fatal RPM install error. The message was: >> There was a rpm unpack error installing the package: xterm-179-5 >> # >> >> --- >> Pat Gunn >> mod: csna, bmcm, bmco, cooa, cona, clpd comod: coom >> http://dachte.org >> "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." >> --Italian Proverb >> >> >> -- >> Rhl-beta-list mailing list >> Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list >> > > I had the same troubles with getting xterm to install from rawhide. It > requires XFree86-truetype-fonts. I am not sure why a basic xterm would > require trutype fonts. Terminal fonts would be sufficient. > > BTW - I removed xterm and tried to install the program from RHN and it > errored. I then ran yum and ended up getting the older version. > > Next, yum errored about depending upon an additional package. I ran the > command below. (After apt-get suggested it.) > > apt-get upgrade xterm -f > > > Jim > > -- The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Sep 20 04:23:10 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:23:10 +0900 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update to Severn gives me??? In-Reply-To: <3F6BC85D.7090708@insight.rr.com> References: <200309181409.h8IE9pSp010658@dachte.org> <3F6BC6EA.6010103@insight.rr.com> <3F6BC85D.7090708@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F6BD62E.40205@tuins.ac.jp> Maybe a dumb question, but if I upgraded Severn via apt/rawhide (which I did), what is it that I have? I mean, does this mean I have essentially what is going to be in Severn2 or what? Ralston From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sat Sep 20 04:42:03 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Apt/Rawhide update to Severn gives me??? In-Reply-To: <3F6BD62E.40205@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, rg wrote: > Maybe a dumb question, but if I upgraded Severn via apt/rawhide (which I > did), what is it that I have? I mean, does this mean I have essentially > what is going to be in Severn2 or what? You have severn + the updates which is the latest beta for the next release of Red Hat Linux. I doubt that at this point anyone can tell you exactly what b2 will look like. In fact I am beginning to wonder if there will be a b2 since it is just as easy to install severn and update from up2date or rawhide. I do not really see the point of going through the trouble of pushing iso's out to all of the mirrors. There is a lot of work that goes into doing that and I am not convinced it is necessary. Of course this is just my opinion and I have no say in what Red Hat decides to do. HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Sat Sep 20 04:42:55 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:42:55 -0500 Subject: Security Level Config Tool Message-ID: Why isn't there a checkbox for Samba in this tool? I'm assuming that most people use Samba by default and you have to open ports 137-139 to get "Network Browsing" to work correctly, right? While the process of manually editing /etc/sysconfig/iptables is not difficult, I'm wondering why Samba was left out of this tool. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sat Sep 20 04:50:39 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:50:39 -0400 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update to Severn gives me??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> > You have severn + the updates which is the latest beta for the next release > of Red Hat Linux. I doubt that at this point anyone can tell you exactly > what b2 will look like. In fact I am beginning to wonder if there will be a b2 > since it is just as easy to install severn and update from up2date or rawhide. > I do not really see the point of going through the trouble of pushing iso's > out to all of the mirrors. There is a lot of work that goes into doing that > and I am not convinced it is necessary. Of course this is just my opinion > and I have no say in what Red Hat decides to do. I think it would be worthwhile to start thinking of a distribution of linux as a core with a large number of component applications that people update asynchronously to the core. The stuff outside core will be updated as new, stable versions become available. That might be a better way of viewing the world of linux distributions, b/c then you don't have to wait 6 months for the next release of $myprog - you can just update $myprog when $myprog is stable enough for you - or stable enough in the opinion of the package maintainer. This is one of the advantages that yum/apt/etc third-party repository support will buy red hat linux - a greater fluidity of present applications and on the whole newer stuff, with a greater number of bugfixes released. (of course it might mean a greater number of bugs, too ;) -sv From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Sep 20 05:08:57 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:08:57 +0900 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update to Severn gives me??? In-Reply-To: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> So, in a sense, what you are saying is that the rawhide upgrade route gives me Severn2 minus any changes to the kernel.. or something like that. Ralston seth vidal wrote: >>You have severn + the updates which is the latest beta for the next release >>of Red Hat Linux. I doubt that at this point anyone can tell you exactly >>what b2 will look like. In fact I am beginning to wonder if there will be a b2 >>since it is just as easy to install severn and update from up2date or rawhide. >>I do not really see the point of going through the trouble of pushing iso's >>out to all of the mirrors. There is a lot of work that goes into doing that >>and I am not convinced it is necessary. Of course this is just my opinion >>and I have no say in what Red Hat decides to do. >> >> > >I think it would be worthwhile to start thinking of a distribution of >linux as a core with a large number of component applications that >people update asynchronously to the core. > >The stuff outside core will be updated as new, stable versions become >available. > >That might be a better way of viewing the world of linux distributions, >b/c then you don't have to wait 6 months for the next release of $myprog >- you can just update $myprog when $myprog is stable enough for you - or >stable enough in the opinion of the package maintainer. > >This is one of the advantages that yum/apt/etc third-party repository >support will buy red hat linux - a greater fluidity of present >applications and on the whole newer stuff, with a greater number of >bugfixes released. (of course it might mean a greater number of bugs, >too ;) > >-sv > > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sat Sep 20 05:25:13 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:25:13 -0400 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update to Severn gives me??? In-Reply-To: <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 01:08, rg wrote: > So, in a sense, what you are saying is that the rawhide upgrade route > gives me Severn2 minus any changes to the kernel.. or something like that. > no - it gives you kernel changes too. Rawhide is the whole shebang. -sv From tmus at get2net.dk Sat Sep 20 05:38:51 2003 From: tmus at get2net.dk (Thomas M Steenholdt) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:38:51 +0200 Subject: Native chars won't work in openoffice... Message-ID: <3F6BE7EB.9090507@get2net.dk> Hi... I'm having a problem with OpenOffice (and have had that same problem since OpenOffice was included in the Red Hat distribution). The native danish chars (?, ? and ?) does not work at all, unless i have set LC_ALL="C" which seems to break a lot of other stuff, like bash(although Tim just fixed this). This is my i18n configuration file: LANG="en_DK.UTF-8" SUPPORTED="en_DK.UTF-8:en_DK:en" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" What is the right way to have this whole thing setup, how do the different parameters interact LANG, LC_ALL etc. Thanks in advance Thomas From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Sep 20 07:57:10 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:57:10 +0900 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update to Severn gives me??? In-Reply-To: <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> Didn't seem to upgrade my kernel - still 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. Shouldn't it be newer than that? What gives? Ralston seth vidal wrote: >On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 01:08, rg wrote: > > >>So, in a sense, what you are saying is that the rawhide upgrade route >>gives me Severn2 minus any changes to the kernel.. or something like that. >> >> >> > >no - it gives you kernel changes too. Rawhide is the whole shebang. > >-sv > > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > From gawain.lynch at bigpond.com Sat Sep 20 08:16:23 2003 From: gawain.lynch at bigpond.com (Gawain Lynch) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:16:23 +1000 Subject: Evolution and GnuPG signing Message-ID: <1064045782.16560.43.camel@frodo.felicity.net.au> Hi All, I am running Severn with all updates as of this morning, however I am having issues with Evolution 1.4.4-7 and signing/encrypting outgoing messages. When I send a message I get the following error: Failed to GPG sign: Broken pipe gpg: skipped `~/.gnupg/secring.gpg': secret key not available gpg: signing failed: secret key not available Now if I jump to a shell and do: gpg --clearsign < myfile.txt I get prompted for my private keys' password and then get a valid signature block afterwards, so I think that I at least have the gpg part correct. Is anyone else seeing this? Take care, Gawain From pauln at truemesh.com Sat Sep 20 08:39:06 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:39:06 +0100 Subject: Security Level Config Tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030920083905.GH29430@shitake.truemesh.com> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 11:42:55PM -0500, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > Why isn't there a checkbox for Samba in this tool? I'm assuming > that most people use Samba by default and you have to open ports 137-139 > to get "Network Browsing" to work correctly, right? While the process > of manually editing /etc/sysconfig/iptables is not difficult, I'm > wondering why Samba was left out of this tool. Possibly you'd only run samba on a trusted interface, redhat-config-securitylevel/lokkit provides a simple policy driven interface. lokkit/redhat-config-securitylevel-tui provides the additional ports section, currently the interaction between lokkit and /etc/sysconfig/redhat-config-securitylevel isn't 100%, I'll do some more probing and hit bugzilla. In addition, I'm considering RFE'ing the ability to add a masquerading interface for people running home networks, in combination with trusted intefaces this should provide a reasonable level of ease to setup. Although there may be good reason why this isn't done at the moment. Paul From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sat Sep 20 09:09:19 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:09:19 +0900 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> Just posted this under the Apt/Rawhide update to Severn give me??? thread, but it is really a slightly different questions, so I thought I'd better post it under a differnt title: Updated everything in my Severn via Apt/Rawhide, but it didn't seem to update the kernel. I have still have 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. Shouldn't it be newer than that? ralston From shugal at gmx.de Sat Sep 20 10:29:38 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:29:38 +0200 Subject: Redhat Lite References: <1064003981.3524.24.camel@spatula> Message-ID: <3F6C2C12.88D08D45@gmx.de> Jef Spaleta wrote: > Too bad the thread about people's intent to rework the minimal > install groupings dried up. Did anyone ever come back to this list > with a finished reworked comps file for the community to test? I > don't want to name names (mostly becuase that would require > datamining the thread archive and i don't care that much) but it > would be nice if people who said they wanted to play with the comps > file to make the minimal install better actually reported back with > a testable/discussable file. Actually we did, several times even. The thread as more about the high RAM requirements of the installer, but we (well, the most work was done by Michael Fratoni) also slimmed down the base installation. Go to http://www.rule-project.org/en/index.php for more informations and downloads. Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 8.0 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From jspaleta at princeton.edu Sat Sep 20 11:43:47 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:43:47 -0400 Subject: Redhat Lite Message-ID: <1064058227.1630.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Martin Stricker wrote: > Actually we did, several times even. The thread as more about the high > RAM requirements of the installer, but we (well, the most work was done > by Michael Fratoni) also slimmed down the base installation. Go to > http://www.rule-project.org/en/index.php for more informations and > downloads. Sigh....totally not what i'm talking about...im talking about the previous discussion in THIS beta phase last month... http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg01207.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-August/msg01216.html Now rule, maybe be useful and have its place(though its place might not be part of the core rhl distro)..I'm more interested in making the standard eye-candy bloated installer more bone-headed modern hardware using user friendly. The better minimal install comps file Mr. Anderson teased this list with doesn't really do that. But, a better minimal install option out of the box(well out of the iso) for the existing rhl installer means possibly more space for a more bone-head user friendly rescue environment on the first disk. The open question is....is there room in the comps file to reduce the number of minimal "firewall/router" packages so that you can get a minimal install with just the first disk and leave enough room on the first disk for a more advanced rescue mode. This of course means moving some packages that are on the first disk now back out to a 3rd or even a 4th iso. The discussion as to whether or not its worth making room for a better rescue environment is another discussion entirely. But looking into my crystal ball....i really don't think a 4th iso is such a big deal moving forward since there are no box sets. What you want moving forward...if you can get it...is 2 stage install...where the 1st stage install off the first cd gives you just enough of a base system so you can reboot and do second stage install. The 2 stage install gives you access to either a cd based install...or network install options for additional files (think quarterly fedora iso images to be used as additional 2nd stage install media). But forgetting the 2 stage idea for the moment....the question is, is having a better rescue environment on the first disk worth creating a 4th iso image for right now? A better question for the future would be...how different would a rescue environment be from the base environment a 2 stage installer would be placing on the system? Is there some slick way to take an image of an advanced rescue environment and place it on the system, so you can boot into it and do the 2nd stage part of an install. Would such a clever imagining of a rescue environment to disk, save you any space or resources during the 1st stage of a 2 stage install? There is a lot of room for rhl community to explore more advanced rescue environments without ripping the rhl installer to pieces. But there isn't much room for an advanced rescue environment on the first disk right now. Since RedHat lackeys have repeatedly stated there is a preference to burn development hours for featuritis that helps the non-technical user instead of burning manhours for the %1 of the power users...the idea of making the rescue environment more non-technical user friendly probably holds some lackey's casual interest, maybe more than casual interest. -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From davej at redhat.com Sat Sep 20 12:44:36 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:44:36 +0100 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update to Severn gives me??? In-Reply-To: <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030920124436.GT8764@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 04:57:10PM +0900, rg wrote: > Didn't seem to upgrade my kernel - still 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. > Shouldn't it be newer than that? What gives? Odd. Try up2date -fu ? Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Sat Sep 20 12:48:05 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:48:05 +0200 Subject: Redhat Lite References: <1064058227.1630.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002b01c37f75$70283410$196d9e89@pegasus> To this end, I would also like to encourage other packages to be moved off the CDs, on to a fourth CD. A voting system could also help here. The packages moved onto other cds do not have to be unsupported, but available off ftp, or on repositories like Fedora. I believe that Redhat could have an 'official' channel in Fedora. If a rescue cd like Morphix, Knoppix can be used for installing, I have no doubt that so can Redhat have one. This may be too late for the next release though. This does not have to be the first cd of a set. It could just be another cd. The point would be to have a fully working system using only 1 cd, a la Mandrake, Lycoris and others. Stripping out server packages and stuff like BIND, Apache, one of GNOME/KDE. Make the system as integrated as possible, which would then probably favour GNOME over KDE (Since Redhat writes most of its tools in PyGTK). The installation could be nothing more than copying an image from the CD to the hard drive, then running anaconda to detect and configure hardware, an the other stuff, (adding users, configuring network etc). It does not have to be a complex project. Selecting the packages would probably be the hard part. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jef Spaleta" To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Redhat Lite From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 20 12:53:06 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <002b01c37f75$70283410$196d9e89@pegasus> from "Maynard Kuona" at Med 20, 2003 02:48:05 Message-ID: <200309201253.h8KCr6v14429@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > To this end, I would also like to encourage other packages to be moved off > the CDs, on to a fourth CD. A voting system could also help here. The > packages moved onto other cds do not have to be unsupported, but available > off ftp, or on repositories like Fedora. I believe that Redhat could have an > 'official' channel in Fedora. Im hopeful a lot of packages kept just because a few people really care about but not the majority will migrate out to being extras. Also as someone who runs RH on a couple of 24Mb 486 boxes for some tasks I'd love to see alternatives installers like miniconda more well known 8) Alan From mike at netlyncs.com Sat Sep 20 13:57:19 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:57:19 -0500 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 04:09, rg wrote: > Updated everything in my Severn via Apt/Rawhide, but it didn't seem to > update the kernel. I have still have 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. > Shouldn't it be newer than that? It's the versioning of the old kernel to new kernel that is causing it not to upgrade. You will probably need to download and install it manually initially, then it will start doing the upgrade properly. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "I'd insult you, but you wouldn't know the difference!" From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Sep 20 15:48:56 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:48:56 -0500 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F6C76E8.3000506@lopht.net> Per my experience with debian, and performing the upgrade from RH 9 betas to RH 9 with apt, apt never grabs a kernel as part of a dist-upgrade. In debian, stable/testing/unstable don't actually have a specific kernel version assigned to them, they each have a handful of major/minor kernels available, which you must install explicitly. rg wrote: > Just posted this under the Apt/Rawhide update to Severn give me??? > thread, but it is really a slightly different questions, so I thought > I'd better post it under a differnt title: > > Updated everything in my Severn via Apt/Rawhide, but it didn't seem to > update the kernel. I have still have 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. > Shouldn't it be newer than that? > > ralston > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From nu1sg at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 16:01:40 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Up2date Broken? Message-ID: <20030920160140.48673.qmail@web11805.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to get current with all the new packages (just installed Severn). Unfortunately, this is one problem I don't know how to fix. Yes I have the newest: up2date-3.9.28-2 and sg when trying to run up2date I get: File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 20, in ? from up2date_client import up2dateAuth File "up2dateAuth.py", line 5, in ? File "rpcServer.py", line 15, in ? File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: /lib/libssl.so.4: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal Bug or my incompetence? - Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From davej at redhat.com Sat Sep 20 16:10:26 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:10:26 +0100 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20030920161026.GV8764@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 08:57:19AM -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 04:09, rg wrote: > > > Updated everything in my Severn via Apt/Rawhide, but it didn't seem to > > update the kernel. I have still have 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. > > Shouldn't it be newer than that? > > It's the versioning of the old kernel to new kernel that is causing it > not to upgrade. You will probably need to download and install it > manually initially, then it will start doing the upgrade properly. I don't think so in this case, as 2.4.22 > 2.4.21 The problem you're thinking of would only be relevant if rg had a 2.4.22-20 kernel installed. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From anthony.seward at ieee.org Sat Sep 20 16:34:55 2003 From: anthony.seward at ieee.org (Anthony Joseph Seward) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:34:55 -0600 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <3F6B6ED4.5060208@earthlink.net> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> <1063827772.8003.21.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F68BF27.2000608@earthlink.net> <3F6B6ED4.5060208@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1064075695.9692.12.camel@sonylap1> On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 15:02, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > Mike A. Harris wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > > >>Let's do one of those "get third party deb files" -- you install it, > >>it's specfile fires up wget, gets the binary from the homesite, and says > >>"well, you knew the licensing issues when you installed me." > >> > >>I can be pure and I can avoid issues. :-) > > > > > > Intent is 9 tenths of the law. > I don't know. The Debian people are more "pristine" than newborn babes, > and they do this... > No, the Debian people _think_ they are more pristine than newborn babes. The try very hard to be, but they don't always succeed because they are not lawyers. Red Hat is more 'pristine' in this case as they were several years ago while the QT licence was being hammered out. The Debian people seem to think that they are immune from some restriction because they are all volunteers. In some cases they are correct, but having been the treasurer of more than one 501(c)3 organization, you better have a lawyer verify things. > Hey! Are we being as careful with GIFs? I think the GIF pattent expired. Yes? No? Tony -- Anthony Joseph Seward From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Sat Sep 20 16:31:27 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:31:27 -0500 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <20030920161026.GV8764@redhat.com> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20030920161026.GV8764@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6C80DF.90100@lopht.net> Apt is configured by default to allow multiple versions of the kernel, so you just 'apt-get install kernel-x.y.z'. An upgrade or dist-upgrade will never grab a kernel, I was told on #debian. Dave Jones wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 08:57:19AM -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 04:09, rg wrote: > > > > > Updated everything in my Severn via Apt/Rawhide, but it didn't seem to > > > update the kernel. I have still have 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. > > > Shouldn't it be newer than that? > > > > It's the versioning of the old kernel to new kernel that is causing it > > not to upgrade. You will probably need to download and install it > > manually initially, then it will start doing the upgrade properly. > > I don't think so in this case, as 2.4.22 > 2.4.21 > The problem you're thinking of would only be relevant if rg had a > 2.4.22-20 kernel installed. > > Dave > -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From davej at redhat.com Sat Sep 20 17:06:57 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:06:57 +0100 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <3F6C80DF.90100@lopht.net> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20030920161026.GV8764@redhat.com> <3F6C80DF.90100@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20030920170657.GW8764@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Apt is configured by default to allow multiple versions of the kernel, > so you just 'apt-get install kernel-x.y.z'. An upgrade or dist-upgrade > will never grab a kernel, I was told on #debian. The fact the original poster was using apt completely passed me by until now. Whoops 8-) Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From pmatilai at welho.com Sat Sep 20 17:24:58 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:24:58 +0300 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <3F6C76E8.3000506@lopht.net> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C76E8.3000506@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1064078698.3f6c8d6ab627d@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Justin Georgeson : > Per my experience with debian, and performing the upgrade from RH 9 > betas to RH 9 with apt, apt never grabs a kernel as part of a > dist-upgrade. In debian, stable/testing/unstable don't actually have a > specific kernel version assigned to them, they each have a handful of > major/minor kernels available, which you must install explicitly. Apt itself doesn't consider kernel special in any way, it's just that usually the kernel packages are configured as "allow-duplicated". Such packages apt doesn't even try to upgrade automatically (though I'm working on it :) Oh and btw the syntax to use with such packages is "apt-get install kernel#x.y.z", not kernel-x.yz as someone mentioned. -- - Panu - From jos at xos.nl Sat Sep 20 17:32:07 2003 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:32:07 +0200 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <3F6C80DF.90100@lopht.net>; from jgeorgeson@lopht.net on Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 11:31:27AM -0500 References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> <20030920161026.GV8764@redhat.com> <3F6C80DF.90100@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20030920193207.A10133@xos037.xos.nl> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Apt is configured by default to allow multiple versions of the kernel, > so you just 'apt-get install kernel-x.y.z'. An upgrade or dist-upgrade > will never grab a kernel, I was told on #debian. This is indeed the reason. And here's recipe how to solve this: First thought is to have an auxiliary package installed, say "mypkg", that you update (i.e. generate a new version of it) in the apt repository every time a kernel is upgraded, by adding Require: kernel = 2.4.20-18.9 in the new mypkg version in case a new 2.4.20-18.9 kernel is available. However, due to the fact that every RH kernel package has a Provides: kernel = %version line, this means that *all releases* of that kernel version satisfy this requirement, so the new "mypkg" will not trigger installing the new kernel. See earlier thread on this list and on the apt-rpm lists, where Jeff Johnson explains why rpm and the kernel packages behave/are like this, I won't/can't defend it myself ;-). But Jeff also provided a nice workaround: add the line Requires: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-18.9 to a new version of "mypkg" and this will indeed pull the new kernel together with the upgrade of "mypkg". Finally, if you want the new kernel to be the new default automatically, you need to have a post-install script (e.g. an apt-rpm LUA script) to do this (there are examples of such scripts available). Hope this explains how to use apt-rpm with kernel upgrades a bit. -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 20 17:37:14 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:37:14 +0200 Subject: Apt/Rawhide update doesn't seem to update kernel. . . In-Reply-To: <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1064033438.8739.7.camel@binkley> <3F6BE0E9.3040906@tuins.ac.jp> <1064035513.8739.9.camel@binkley> <3F6C0856.1050109@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6C193F.5010400@tuins.ac.jp> <1064066239.1975.1.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <20030920193714.557b7418.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 08:57:19 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 04:09, rg wrote: > > > Updated everything in my Severn via Apt/Rawhide, but it didn't seem to > > update the kernel. I have still have 2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptl. > > Shouldn't it be newer than that? > > It's the versioning of the old kernel to new kernel that is causing it > not to upgrade. No, it isn't, because 2.4.22 > 2.4.21. > You will probably need to download and install it > manually initially, then it will start doing the upgrade properly. By default, the kernel is on the ignore-list, so an additional option is needed. Try "up2date --update --force kernel" (or the short options "-u -f"). - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/bJBK0iMVcrivHFQRAgU5AJ9EaLvUgXWrBnZlUQLQXKFL2LrOkgCXZn15 h0wGdJ+F2SScEqIYN02/Jw== =bwtW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marian at gg3d.com Sat Sep 20 18:10:46 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:10:46 +0200 Subject: Include MPlayer in beta? In-Reply-To: <1064075695.9692.12.camel@sonylap1> References: <4313.12.29.16.103.1063803218.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6882C1.4090700@earthlink.net> <2534.12.29.16.103.1063815846.squirrel@whooper.org> <3F6897D7.6040109@earthlink.net> <3F68AC63.4000709@earthlink.net> <1063827772.8003.21.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <3F68BF27.2000608@earthlink.net> <3F6B6ED4.5060208@earthlink.net> <1064075695.9692.12.camel@sonylap1> Message-ID: <1064081445.2115.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> W li?cie z sob, 20-09-2003, godz. 18:34, Anthony Joseph Seward pisze: > On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 15:02, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > Hey! Are we being as careful with GIFs? > I think the GIF pattent expired. Yes? No? Yes (in Poland), but for example in Canada NO! > > Tony -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From jessehulsey at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 18:17:05 2003 From: jessehulsey at yahoo.com (Jesse Hulsey) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Up2date Broken? (Daniel Durgin) Message-ID: <20030920181705.17416.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> hello, Ive had the same problem after switching to openssl-0.9.7a-17 the problem resolved itself after I reinstalled openssl-0.9.7a-16 over top of openssl-0.9.7a-17. Im not a programmer or anything, but hope this helps :) -Jesse __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From nu1sg at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 18:26:08 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Up2date Broken? (Daniel Durgin) In-Reply-To: <20030920181705.17416.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030920182608.97774.qmail@web11804.mail.yahoo.com> That did it thanks! -dan --- Jesse Hulsey wrote: > hello, > > Ive had the same problem after switching to > openssl-0.9.7a-17 the problem resolved itself > after > I reinstalled openssl-0.9.7a-16 over top of > openssl-0.9.7a-17. Im not a programmer or anything, > but hope this helps :) > -Jesse > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 20 19:13:45 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:13:45 -0400 Subject: OT Isabel and ... (was Re: Include MPlayer in beta?) In-Reply-To: <3F69C26D.40307@cypress.com> References: <1063814102.32351.8.camel@spatula> <3F688CF0.1050107@earthlink.net> <3F69C26D.40307@cypress.com> Message-ID: <200309201513.45760.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 18, 2003 10:34 am, Thomas Dodd Thomas Dodd wrote: > That fluffy white stuff gets heavy real quick... It doesn't even have to be "light and fluffy" See what tiny ice particles can do: http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSIceStorm/icestorm_dec15_cp.html The Ice Storm of '98 affected many Eastern US states and Canada. > Mother nature can and will be a real bitch. Oh, *be nice*!! ... she's only repaying us for not respecting the planet: pollution, wars, and other by-product of the human species... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 20 20:12:50 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:12:50 -0400 Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <1064003981.3524.24.camel@spatula> References: <1064003981.3524.24.camel@spatula> Message-ID: <200309201612.50950.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 19, 2003 04:39 pm, Jef Spaleta Jef Spaleta wrote: > If we can come up with a smaller minimal install, we can have a 1st Cd > that has more room for a rescue mode...and still be able to get a > minimal install done with one CD. ... *please*!! ... and some "newbieized" instructions (when in rescue mode)... since it's usually the newbies who tend to muck up their systems. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 20 23:21:05 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:21:05 -0700 Subject: Unable to blank CD-ROMs-- phantom process? Message-ID: <1064100065.2897.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi I tried to blank a CD-RW with "cdrecord -blank=fast" after burning it. I got the error message: Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively ... retrying in 1 second. I am able to blank the CD by going into single user mode. In summary: I think there is some process associated with "autorun" in KDE which is holding onto /dev/scd0. I have done both "fuser /dev/scd0" and "lsof /dev/scd0" without seeing anything. Any suggestions? I looked at bug 87736 and posted some info to it, but I now think this is a separate issue My kernel is 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl.ntfs.latest1394 Thanks From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sat Sep 20 23:57:34 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:57:34 -0400 Subject: hwbrowser In-Reply-To: <20030918155031.GX9372@rednote.net> References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030918155031.GX9372@rednote.net> Message-ID: <3F6CE96E.8060508@insight.rr.com> Janina Sajka wrote: > A word of caution. > > You run the risk of making the functions supported inaccessible to > persons with disabilities. Because so much of the GUI in Linux is, and > will be for some time, inaccessible, not having a text way to cope, can > take the outstanding accessibility of the console, out. > > Should anyone care? Besides the ethical reasons of our vaunted > opensource inclusivity, there's the matter of commercial interest for > anyone selling systems to the Feds, and other entities where > accessibility is a selection criterion. > > Just a thought in hope of enlarging the scope of criteria governing your > decision matrix. > > Bill Nottingham writes: > >>From: Bill Nottingham >> >>John Mizell (jrmizell at earthlink.net) said: >> >>>Is there a way we can have a text verson of this utility (hwbrowser)? >> >>It's not currently planned. There's 'less /etc/sysconfig/hwconf', >>but that's sort of ugly. :) >> >>Bill >> It would be better for all programs to be developed with a commandline interface and then a seperate GUI frontend developed to interface with the text based program. This would open up the ability to interface voice interfaces with the programs also. Also, from personal experience. When all of the flashy graphical items are included. Less cncentration goes into the context and functionality that the program has. I found myself spiffing up all of the graphics and slacking on adding actual context to the documents. I assume that GUI flashiness has the same effect on program developers. Another possibility with keeping most of the programs basic, is that maybe somekind of universal graphical interface for most text based program usage, can be acheived. I think that programs should strive to be usable by as many people as is possible, without neglecting those with limited senses. (As sight, hearing and such) In short, I think that the resulting programs will be better designed and be more feature full. Do you have any ideas as to what basic interface requirements would make hwbrowser or any other program more usable and easier to access? Jim -- Is it possible that software is not like anything else, that it is meant to be discarded: that the whole point is to always see it as a soap bubble? From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Sep 21 01:36:48 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:36:48 +0900 Subject: updating kernel via apt - which version? In-Reply-To: <3F6CE96E.8060508@insight.rr.com> References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030918155031.GX9372@rednote.net> <3F6CE96E.8060508@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F6D00B0.5030906@tuins.ac.jp> On the rawhide repository, there seem to be two different kernels, I assume I just do an apt update of the one appropriate for my system? Is that right? * kernel-2.4.22-1.2051.nptl.i586.rpm * kernel-2.4.22-1.2051.nptl.i686.rpm ralston From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Sep 21 02:47:19 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:47:19 +0900 Subject: updating kernel via apt - which version? In-Reply-To: <3F6D00B0.5030906@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030918155031.GX9372@rednote.net> <3F6CE96E.8060508@insight.rr.com> <3F6D00B0.5030906@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F6D1137.50807@tuins.ac.jp> OK, disregard this one. I tried it via Synaptic and it only gave me one choice, so the deed is done and seems to be working out alright on machine one. Now for machine two. . . ralston rg wrote: > On the rawhide repository, there seem to be two different kernels, I > assume I just do an apt update of the one appropriate for my system? > Is that right? > > * kernel-2.4.22-1.2051.nptl.i586.rpm > > > * kernel-2.4.22-1.2051.nptl.i686.rpm > > > > ralston > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Sep 21 02:58:28 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:58:28 +0900 Subject: pcmia and usb pendrive no longer recognized with new kernel on vaio In-Reply-To: <3F6D1137.50807@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030918155031.GX9372@rednote.net> <3F6CE96E.8060508@insight.rr.com> <3F6D00B0.5030906@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6D1137.50807@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F6D13D4.5010602@tuins.ac.jp> Well, upgraded the kernel on two machines. No problems on the very generic desktop, but on the Vaio, the LAN connection (pcmia) has vanished and my pendrive (listed in the fstab) is no longer valid. When I checked the Hardware Browser, the devices no longer seem to exist. Same problem as when RH9 was installed. Still there when booting into old/original Severn kernel. Any suggs? ralston From davej at redhat.com Sun Sep 21 03:55:08 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 04:55:08 +0100 Subject: pcmia and usb pendrive no longer recognized with new kernel on vaio In-Reply-To: <3F6D13D4.5010602@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1063839067.5310.0.camel@supernova> <20030917195050.B8320@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030918155031.GX9372@rednote.net> <3F6CE96E.8060508@insight.rr.com> <3F6D00B0.5030906@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6D1137.50807@tuins.ac.jp> <3F6D13D4.5010602@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030921035508.GX8764@redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:58:28AM +0900, rg wrote: > Well, upgraded the kernel on two machines. No problems on the very > generic desktop, but on the Vaio, the LAN connection (pcmia) has > vanished and my pendrive (listed in the fstab) is no longer valid. When > I checked the Hardware Browser, the devices no longer seem to exist. > Same problem as when RH9 was installed. Still there when booting into > old/original Severn kernel. Any suggs? ACPI behaviour changed in 2051, its no longer used by default, and you need to specify acpi=on. You may also need pci=noacpi. Kernels later than 2051 should be getting better at figuring out what options it needs, but there are still some cases it doesn't do the right thing that need working out. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Sun Sep 21 11:47:18 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:47:18 +0200 Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <20030919221753.GA12924@orient.maison> References: <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3F6DABE6.2962.4DF3E3@localhost> Hello Emmanuel, > Cool Linux CD is a bootable CD that contains a a live Linux distribution > based on RedHat 7.3. It also includes > VMWare, and more. Since when is VMware distributable by third parties? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From steve at rueb.com Sun Sep 21 12:58:10 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:58:10 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm corrupt Message-ID: <1064149090.16556.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Trying to install: http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm I get a message: error: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm: V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID 9d6b4012 If I use --nosignature, it says it has a bad md5sum. If I rpm2cpio it into cpio -it it says "premature end of archive". Anyone else seeing this? I'm sure I have the whole 14MB file. -Steve Bergman From pauln at truemesh.com Sun Sep 21 13:07:39 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:07:39 +0100 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm corrupt In-Reply-To: <1064149090.16556.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1064149090.16556.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030921130738.GD31965@shitake.truemesh.com> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Steve Bergman wrote: > Trying to install: > error: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm: V3 DSA signature: BAD, key > ID 9d6b4012 > If I rpm2cpio it into cpio -it it says "premature end of archive". > Anyone else seeing this? I don't have an athalon, I sucessfully upgraded to test5.1.38.i686 earlier today - however I just downloaded the package and: $ rpm -K kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK So looks like I received a good package here. > I'm sure I have the whole 14MB file. The fact that the md5 on the rpm verification fails implies that you don't (maybe something bad occured during download). Try redownloading. Paul From steve at rueb.com Sun Sep 21 13:11:37 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:11:37 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm corrupt In-Reply-To: <20030921130738.GD31965@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <1064149090.16556.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <20030921130738.GD31965@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1064149897.16556.15.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 08:07, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > I'm sure I have the whole 14MB file. > > The fact that the md5 on the rpm verification fails implies that you > don't (maybe something bad occured during download). Try redownloading. > I did. 3 times. With mozilla and wget. Same thing each time. -Steve From bpierson at charter.net Sun Sep 21 13:14:15 2003 From: bpierson at charter.net (Bradley D. Pierson) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:14:15 -0400 Subject: rpm help Message-ID: <1064150054.6207.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I need help, when I run rpm I get an error telling me that there are 2 different versions of w3m-el-common on my machine, but when I try to remove the old one I get this error: [root at Bradley root]# rpm -e w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62477: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file error: %preun(w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 2 What do I need to do to get rid of the second version. I forgot to tell you that this is the old one. -- Bradley D. Pierson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pauln at truemesh.com Sun Sep 21 13:19:53 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:19:53 +0100 Subject: rpm help In-Reply-To: <1064150054.6207.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064150054.6207.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030921131953.GE31965@shitake.truemesh.com> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:14:15AM -0400, Bradley D. Pierson wrote: > [root at Bradley root]# rpm -e w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2 > /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62477: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file > error: %preun(w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 2 > > What do I need to do to get rid of the second version. I forgot to tell > you that this is the old one. There was a missing "fi" in the preun scriptlet of w3m-el-common, you can successfully remove the rpm by doing: rpm --noscripts -e w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2 This has since been fixed in later versions of the package. Paul From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 21 13:20:09 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rpm help In-Reply-To: <1064150054.6207.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> from "Bradley D. Pierson" at Med 21, 2003 09:14:15 Message-ID: <200309211320.h8LDK9L09036@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > [root at Bradley root]# rpm -e w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2 > /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62477: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file > error: %preun(w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 2 > > What do I need to do to get rid of the second version. I forgot to tell > you that this is the old one. Add the option --noscripts should do the trick From bpierson at charter.net Sun Sep 21 13:37:13 2003 From: bpierson at charter.net (Bradley D. Pierson) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:37:13 -0400 Subject: rpm help In-Reply-To: <20030921131953.GE31965@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <1064150054.6207.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030921131953.GE31965@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1064151429.6207.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 09:19, Paul Nasrat wrote: > There was a missing "fi" in the preun scriptlet of w3m-el-common, you > can successfully remove the rpm by doing: > > rpm --noscripts -e w3m-el-common-1.3.5-2 > > This has since been fixed in later versions of the package. > > Paul Thank you, that worked quite nicely! :) -- Bradley D. Pierson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From steve.ellis at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 21 13:58:48 2003 From: steve.ellis at sympatico.ca (Steve Ellis) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:58:48 -0400 Subject: Is it possible to use up2date? In-Reply-To: <1064151429.6207.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064150054.6207.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030921131953.GE31965@shitake.truemesh.com> <1064151429.6207.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064152728.2196.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> When trying to use up2date with all the system updated with the rawhide packages I get the following error message. My account and system are registered but I cannot change the base channel from RH9. I tried a up2date --register but that failed as it could not find the matching channel. Is there a way to keep up2date working with Rawhide or should I use YUM. TIA Steve Error communicating with server. The message was: Error Message: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='20030921', arch='i686-redhat-linux') If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. Error Class Code: 19 Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not supported. Explanation: An error has occurred while processing your request. If this problem persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and details on how to reproduce this problem. From pavelr at coresma.com Sun Sep 21 14:14:26 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:14:26 +0300 Subject: Is it possible to use up2date? In-Reply-To: <1064152728.2196.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064152728.2196.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F6DB242.2080004@coresma.com> Steve Ellis wrote: > When trying to use up2date with all the system updated with the rawhide > packages I get the following error message. > My account and system are registered but I cannot change the base > channel from RH9. I tried a up2date --register but that failed as it > could not find the matching channel. Is there a way to keep up2date > working with Rawhide or should I use YUM. > > TIA > > Steve > > Error communicating with server. The message was: > > Error Message: > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > (release='20030921', arch='i686-redhat-linux') > If you have a registration number, please register with it first at > http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. > Error Class Code: 19 > Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not > supported. > Explanation: > An error has occurred while processing your request. If this > problem > persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. > If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include > details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and > details on how to reproduce this problem. > I guess that you overwritten /etc/redhat-release file, probably by installing rawhide-release package from rawhide. Install redhat-release package from the cdrom From michael at ywow.org Sun Sep 21 14:30:09 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:30:09 -0400 Subject: Isabel - Re: Sept. 15th Announcement? References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <003801c3804c$dcacfc60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Michael, Here's hoping that everyone at Red Hat, and their families and homes, are safe and secure. I think we all hope that if you've lost power and Internet access, that it comes back soon. (Nearly 700,000 homes lost power in North Carolina.) The efforts that you made to update the Website, to keep us updated with information, I think, were nothing short of heroic. As I drove east of Raleigh yesterday, the devestation I saw in a number of communities (homes crushed by trees, missing roofs, long lines for food in shelters, etc) was scary. I saw similar destruction to homes just 1/2 mile east of me. I understand it is just as bad a few miles to the north and south of me. Hurricane Isabel was horrible - but it could have been so much worse. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael K. Johnson" > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:34:24PM +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: > > http://rhl.redhat.com/ have been updated. With of lot more informations > > than i ask. > > Thanks. > One other thing: the way things are looking, we'll probably get > the updated site up early next week instead of late this week, > due to a wide variety of factors that certainly includes > preparations for Hurricane Isabel. Things certainly look like > they may well be exciting... Thanks and here's hoping for a speedy recovery, Mike From steve.ellis at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 21 15:13:11 2003 From: steve.ellis at sympatico.ca (Steve Ellis) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:13:11 -0400 Subject: Is it possible to use up2date? In-Reply-To: <3F6DB242.2080004@coresma.com> References: <1064152728.2196.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F6DB242.2080004@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1064157191.2196.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> many thanks I reinstalled the redhat-release.rpm and success.... :-) On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 10:14, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Steve Ellis wrote: > > When trying to use up2date with all the system updated with the rawhide > > packages I get the following error message. > > My account and system are registered but I cannot change the base > > channel from RH9. I tried a up2date --register but that failed as it > > could not find the matching channel. Is there a way to keep up2date > > working with Rawhide or should I use YUM. > > > > TIA > > > > Steve > > > > Error communicating with server. The message was: > > > > Error Message: > > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > > (release='20030921', arch='i686-redhat-linux') > > If you have a registration number, please register with it first at > > http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. > > Error Class Code: 19 > > Error Class Info: Architecture and OS version combination is not > > supported. > > Explanation: > > An error has occurred while processing your request. If this > > problem > > persists please enter a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com. > > If you choose to submit the bug report, please be sure to include > > details of what you were trying to do when this error occurred and > > details on how to reproduce this problem. > > > > I guess that you overwritten /etc/redhat-release file, probably by > installing rawhide-release package from rawhide. Install redhat-release > package from the cdrom > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From matt-whiteley at comcast.net Sun Sep 21 16:18:23 2003 From: matt-whiteley at comcast.net (Matt Whiteley) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:18:23 -0700 Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm corrupt In-Reply-To: <1064149897.16556.15.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> References: <1064149090.16556.10.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> <20030921130738.GD31965@shitake.truemesh.com> <1064149897.16556.15.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <1064161102.5700.15.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 06:11, Steve Bergman wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 08:07, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure I have the whole 14MB file. > > > > The fact that the md5 on the rpm verification fails implies that you > > don't (maybe something bad occured during download). Try redownloading. > > > > I did. 3 times. With mozilla and wget. Same thing each time. > > -Steve > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list I downloaded the file without problem, and installed it. Email me off list and I would be happy to figure out a way to get the rpm to you, if you are interested. -- Matt Whiteley From smoogen at lanl.gov Sun Sep 21 16:42:42 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38.athlon.rpm corrupt In-Reply-To: <1064149897.16556.15.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: Sounds like you have a transparent proxy in your way that has cached a broken copy. On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Steve Bergman wrote: >On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 08:07, Paul Nasrat wrote: > >> >> > I'm sure I have the whole 14MB file. >> >> The fact that the md5 on the rpm verification fails implies that you >> don't (maybe something bad occured during download). Try redownloading. >> > >I did. 3 times. With mozilla and wget. Same thing each time. > >-Steve > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From hosting at j2solutions.net Sun Sep 21 16:53:17 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:53:17 -0700 Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <3F6DABE6.2962.4DF3E3@localhost> References: <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F6DABE6.2962.4DF3E3@localhost> Message-ID: <200309210953.17865.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Sunday 21 September 2003 04:47, Leonard den Ottolander uttered: > Since when is VMware distributable by third parties? Probably since it was modified to not operate until you feed it a valid serial number. YOu have to go to vmware.com to get an evaluation serial number. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Sep 21 17:00:22 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:00:22 -0400 Subject: Isabel - Re: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <003801c3804c$dcacfc60$201e16ac@AllAccess> References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <003801c3804c$dcacfc60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <3F6DD926.7060000@speakeasy.net> Yes I absolutely agree. The tropical storm Isabel brought to Maryland wreaked much devastation in the Washington, DC area. But our experience is of a much smaller scale than what North Carolina was hit with. You folks in Carolina are suffering a lot more. I just got electric power back on last night. At least my home was untouched by the winds and all I really lost was several hundred dollars worth of food. I feel bad for those who enduring much worse damage and loss from the hurricane. Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA MJang wrote: > Dear Michael, > > Here's hoping that everyone at Red Hat, and their families and homes, are safe and secure. I think we all hope that if you've lost > power and Internet access, that it comes back soon. (Nearly 700,000 homes lost power in North Carolina.) > > The efforts that you made to update the Website, to keep us updated with information, I think, were nothing short of heroic. > > As I drove east of Raleigh yesterday, the devestation I saw in a number of communities (homes crushed by trees, missing roofs, long > lines for food in shelters, etc) was scary. I saw similar destruction to homes just 1/2 mile east of me. I understand it is just as > bad a few miles to the north and south of me. > > Hurricane Isabel was horrible - but it could have been so much worse. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael K. Johnson" > >>On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:34:24PM +0200, F?liciano Matias wrote: >> >>>http://rhl.redhat.com/ have been updated. With of lot more informations >>>than i ask. >>>Thanks. >> >>One other thing: the way things are looking, we'll probably get >>the updated site up early next week instead of late this week, >>due to a wide variety of factors that certainly includes >>preparations for Hurricane Isabel. Things certainly look like >>they may well be exciting... > > > Thanks and here's hoping for a speedy recovery, > Mike > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Sep 21 17:40:25 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: 21 Sep 2003 19:40:25 +0200 Subject: rh-control-network doesn't know abput my eth1 (pcmcia) Message-ID: <1064166025.6318.7.camel@ibmLaptop> Folks, my Laptop has an internal ethernet interface which has been configured during installation. Later I installed a wireless pcmcia adapter as eth1. If I start redhat-config-network both interfaces are listed and I can act on both. If I start redhat-control-network only eth0 is listed and I can't find a way to add the second one. Inside rh-control-nw I click onto configure and rh-configure-nw will start, showing both interfaces. How can I add the second interface to redhat-control-network? I need it urgently because I have to restart the interface each time the laptop goes to sleeping mode. Thanks Peter From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 21 17:18:57 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:18:57 -0400 Subject: Unable to blank CD-ROMs-- phantom process? In-Reply-To: <1064100065.2897.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064100065.2897.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309211318.57442.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 20, 2003 07:21 pm, Ben Hsu Ben Hsu wrote: > I tried to blank a CD-RW with "cdrecord -blank=fast" after burning it. I > got the error message: > > Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively ... retrying in 1 second. > > I am able to blank the CD by going into single user mode. In summary: Disable magicdev. See past discussions of magicdev and CD burning problems in the shrike-list and rhl-beta list archives. cheers & HTH, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From steve.ellis at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 21 18:14:54 2003 From: steve.ellis at sympatico.ca (Steve Ellis) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:14:54 -0400 Subject: VMWare, Rawhide & kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38 In-Reply-To: <1064166025.6318.7.camel@ibmLaptop> References: <1064166025.6318.7.camel@ibmLaptop> Message-ID: <1064168094.2196.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Has anyone successfully ran vmware-config.pl? I had vmware working with the test4 kernel releases but have just tried it and have the following module compilation error. Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. Building the vmmon module. Building for VMware Workstation 4.x.x make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' ../linux/driver.c: In function `init_module': ../linux/driver.c:342: error: structure has no member named `prev' ../linux/driver.c:343: error: structure has no member named `next' make[2]: *** [driver.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' make[1]: *** [driver] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' make: *** [auto-build] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' Unable to build the vmmon module. The version installed are VMware Workstation 4.0.2 build-5592 kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38 and all rawhide updates. TIA Steve From steve.ellis at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 21 18:24:25 2003 From: steve.ellis at sympatico.ca (Steve Ellis) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:24:25 -0400 Subject: VMWare, Rawhide & kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38 In-Reply-To: <1064168094.2196.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064166025.6318.7.camel@ibmLaptop> <1064168094.2196.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064168665.2196.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> A reply to myself, fixed with the patch available here ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware steve On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 14:14, Steve Ellis wrote: > Has anyone successfully ran vmware-config.pl? > I had vmware working with the test4 kernel releases but have just tried > it and have the following module compilation error. > > Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. > > Building the vmmon module. > > Building for VMware Workstation 4.x.x > make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' > make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' > make[2]: Entering directory > `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' > make[2]: Entering directory > `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' > ../linux/driver.c: In function `init_module': > ../linux/driver.c:342: error: structure has no member named `prev' > ../linux/driver.c:343: error: structure has no member named `next' > make[2]: *** [driver.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/driver-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38' > make[1]: *** [driver] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' > make: *** [auto-build] Error 2 > make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only' > Unable to build the vmmon module. > > > The version installed are > > VMware Workstation 4.0.2 build-5592 > kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38 > and all rawhide updates. > > TIA > > Steve > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Sun Sep 21 19:12:43 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:12:43 +0200 Subject: VMWare, Rawhide & kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38 In-Reply-To: <1064168094.2196.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064166025.6318.7.camel@ibmLaptop> <1064168094.2196.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064171563.3483.3.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 20:14, Steve Ellis wrote: > Has anyone successfully ran vmware-config.pl? Yes. I'm running 2.6.0-test5-bk8 and VMWare 4.0.2 build 5592. However, changes need to be made to the vmnet.tar module files. You'll need to replace all instances of "wmem_alloc" with "sk_wmem_alloc" and replace all instances of "protinfo" with "sk_protinfo". And similar if you get more compile errors. From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Sun Sep 21 18:55:27 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:55:27 +0300 Subject: swsusp In-Reply-To: <1063987029.18295.40.camel@zorak> References: <1063987029.18295.40.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <20030921185527.GA1795@pua.nirvana> Hi, thanks for the patches. Do these include the bridging patches to acpi and/or laptop-mode (e.g. what swsusp calls options)? -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't add anything else to them that wasnt in those patchsets. ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Sep 21 20:07:48 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (Raxet) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:07:48 -0600 Subject: Is it me or... kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.38 Message-ID: <001c01c3807c$07c8b540$930ffea9@Print> I have never been able to use this 2.6.0 test kernel series to any real advantage yet. Two very large looming problems exist for me at least: 1. No firewire detection available, even after using the bourne script rescan-scsi-bus.sh. 2. No USB printing either. To fill you in on what kernel works for both - RH 9 kernels Severn works on the printing side with the .nptl series kernels. So while 2.6.0 boots well, I can't really use it in doing CDRW's or printing at all. And that's a bummer. Anyone else have some advice for getting sbp2.o driver to really recognize firewire drives? I'm stymied. Raxet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de Sun Sep 21 20:34:19 2003 From: Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:34:19 +0300 Subject: swsusp In-Reply-To: <1064174626.27312.1.camel@zorak> References: <1063987029.18295.40.camel@zorak> <20030921185527.GA1795@pua.nirvana> <1064174626.27312.1.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <20030921203419.GA3197@pua.nirvana> Hi, On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 03:03:46PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 13:55, Axel Thimm wrote: > > thanks for the patches. Do these include the bridging patches to acpi > > and/or laptop-mode (e.g. what swsusp calls options)? > > Umm... I only did the 8-whole and the 9-incremental patches. I didn't > add anything else to them that wasnt in those patchsets. These bridging patches are not in these patchsets, probably because the interacting subsystem is not in the vanilla kernel. Therefore they are offered as "options": http://swsusp.sourceforge.net/options.html As far as I can tell only acpi and laptop-mode are relevant to the current rawhide kernel and of these the acpi option patch seems to offer further functionality, while the laptop-mode seems to be more critical. Would you like to have a look into the laptop-mode patchup? I found the option patches in the swsusp-1.1-rc3-2.4.21 tarball. Still have to verify the xfs option patch with the Author and the XFS developers. Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de From segg at infonet.ca Sun Sep 21 21:35:53 2003 From: segg at infonet.ca (Gilles J. Seguin) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:35:53 -0400 Subject: kernel freeze on ide1 for kernel-2.4.22 Message-ID: <3F6E19B9.1F02D893@infonet.ca> bootup sequence was freezing during the INIT sequence. The hard drive light staying on. The /usr directory was mounted on /dev/hdc2. My last functionning kernel whitout this freeze is kernel-2.4.18-18.8.0.i586.rpm With kernel-2.4.22-1.2049.nptl.i586.rpm, same freezing. Moving physically the hard drive to /dev/hdb Now, the kernel succed to boot, and every thing looks fine with ide0. Install two hard disks on ide1. Copying directory between device succeed until it will freeze with the hard drive light on. suggestion, thanks From gstool at earthlink.net Mon Sep 22 02:53:23 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:53:23 -0500 Subject: rhn applet not working again Message-ID: <1064199203.6287.8.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> I just did a fresh install of severn and used up2date to update all packages in the updates channel. I inadvertently removed the rhn applet from the panel and have tried to get it back from the menu item and from the cli. The cli response is a blank terminal line with no return to the prompt. I'm booting to the latest athlon kernel and have rebooted and logged in/out with no joy. I have looked at the archives and found references to bug id 103871 which deals with an older version of rhn-applet-gui (2.0.10-6). My current version is rhn-applet-2.0.11-2. Gerry Tool From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Sep 22 03:57:49 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:57:49 -0500 Subject: Redhat Lite In-Reply-To: <3F6DABE6.2962.4DF3E3@localhost> References: <20030919210757.GA9347@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> <3F6DABE6.2962.4DF3E3@localhost> Message-ID: <3F6E733D.1020404@farorbit.com> suse has done this for a looooong time... Leonard den Ottolander wrote: >Hello Emmanuel, > > > >>Cool Linux CD is a bootable CD that contains a a live Linux distribution >>based on RedHat 7.3. It also includes >>VMWare, and more. >> >> > > Since when is VMware distributable by third parties? > >Bye, >Leonard. > >-- >How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? >Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! >End all weapons of mass destruction. > > >-- >Rhl-beta-list mailing list >Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > From list at wolfix.com Mon Sep 22 05:31:39 2003 From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:31:39 -0500 Subject: Severn mouse died Message-ID: Installed Severn just fine. Mouse, standard PS2, worked just fine. Setup Evolution and downloaded Flash player and tightvnc. This is my first time on a Linux desktop. I'm use to tinkering with webservers by command line so I am kinda lost with all these windows on linux. I failed at installing Flash player because it kept asking for the path of mozilla but wouldn't take it. Couldn't find tightvnc after install. Restarted and mouse did not work. I didn't see any errors on boot...? Put disk 1 in as if I was updating machine and mouse worked fine. Took disk 1 out, rebooted, and mouse failed to work. Respectfully, Gene From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Mon Sep 22 05:39:49 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Severn mouse died In-Reply-To: from "Gene Ballard" at Sep 22, 2003 12:31:39 AM Message-ID: <200309220539.h8M5dn804114@rem.bwh.harvard.edu> > I failed at installing Flash player because it kept asking for the path of > mozilla but wouldn't take it. There's a bug in the installer script. For some reason, it usually won't accept /usr/lib/mozilla as the install directory even though that's the default. When I gave it /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4, it was OK with that. All the installer does is copy two files into the plugins directory. Once they're copied, you can just move them into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins directory and flash works fine. In fact, once you untar the flash installer, you can just copy the two files directly without running the installer, which is more trouble than it's worth. From gkarabin at pobox.com Mon Sep 22 06:16:18 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:16:18 -0700 Subject: freeswan ipsec module won't insert into latest rawhide kernel - missing symbols? Message-ID: <1064211378.10343.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> I compiled the latest free/swan release (ftp://ftp.xs4all.nl/pub/crypto/freeswan/binaries/RedHat-RPMs/freeswan-2.02-1fs.src.rpm) from SRPM, tweaked to use gcc32, but I can't insert the ipsec.o module into the kernel due to missing symbols (error messages attached). The symbols are present in the kernel that I'm running when I run 'ksyms -a', but only with a suffix, and not an exact match. For example 'ksyms -a|grep neigh_compat_output': c0219a40 neigh_compat_output_Re194ad7b I gather that this has something to do with symbol versions differing between the kernel that I'm running and the kernel that I'm compiling from. Is it possible that the latest Rawhide kernel (2051) generates different symbols depending on whether one builds with the kernel SRPM or the kernel-source RPM? If that's not it, I'm without a clue so far. I'm taking it as granted that the free/swan SRPM works OK when built on a RedHat 9 machine - the number of individual RPMS that they've built seems to attest to that. Thanks, - George -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ipsec-insmod-messages.txt URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 07:34:07 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:34:07 +0200 Subject: freeswan ipsec module won't insert into latest rawhide kernel - missing symbols? In-Reply-To: <1064211378.10343.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064211378.10343.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064216046.3347.12.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 08:16, George J Karabin wrote: > I compiled the latest free/swan release > (ftp://ftp.xs4all.nl/pub/crypto/freeswan/binaries/RedHat-RPMs/freeswan-2.02-1fs.src.rpm) from SRPM, tweaked to use gcc32, but I can't insert the ipsec.o module into the kernel due to missing symbols (error messages attached). > > The symbols are present in the kernel that I'm running when I run 'ksyms > -a', but only with a suffix, and not an exact match. For example 'ksyms > -a|grep neigh_compat_output': > c0219a40 neigh_compat_output_Re194ad7b > > I gather that this has something to do with symbol versions differing > between the kernel that I'm running and the kernel that I'm compiling > from. Is it possible that the latest Rawhide kernel (2051) generates > different symbols depending on whether one builds with the kernel SRPM > or the kernel-source RPM? If that's not it, I'm without a clue so far. The Makefile in kernel-source adds "custom" to the kernel version which changes the symbol mangling. If you want to build a module against the installed kernel-source, you can e.g. grep for EXTRAVERSION in the Makefile and use "make EXTRAVERSION= ..." to build. Of course you have to do the usual: - make mrproper - copy of the matching config file from configs/ to .config - make dep beforehands. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pzb at datastacks.com Mon Sep 22 11:41:26 2003 From: pzb at datastacks.com (Peter Bowen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:41:26 -0400 Subject: freeswan ipsec module won't insert into latest rawhide kernel - missing symbols? In-Reply-To: <1064216046.3347.12.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <1064211378.10343.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1064216046.3347.12.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1064230886.12852.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:34, Nils Philippsen wrote: > The Makefile in kernel-source adds "custom" to the kernel version which > changes the symbol mangling. If you want to build a module against the > installed kernel-source, you can e.g. grep for EXTRAVERSION in the > Makefile and use "make EXTRAVERSION= "custom"> ..." to build. Of course you have to do the usual: > > - make mrproper > - copy of the matching config file from configs/ to .config > - make dep > > beforehand. Of course it is important to note that 99% of kernel modules will compile against an installed kernel source without needing to make these changes. The FreeSWAN makefile is somewhat broken in that it tries to use the info in the kernel makefile for external builds. Thanks. Peter From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Sep 22 11:50:37 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:50:37 -0400 Subject: initscripts and 815 chipset machines Message-ID: <3F6EE20D.9020405@insight.rr.com> There are a series of problems with my Severn installation on an 815 chipset computer. I was wondering which of the problems others might be experiencing also. 1. Network cable unplugged on startup script. Running dhclient from command line will get dhcp address. 2. Logging into the console will fail for several attempts to login. Eventually, the login will be accepted. 3. using passwd to change passwords comes back with repeated prompts that the passwords don't match. It does however change the password to the new password selected. 4. Gnome locks up on initializing screen. (empty box with no process ICONs.) 5. Mozilla locks up with entering passwords for mail accounts or with http logins, like rhn network. I filed three bug reports for these problems. One was re-assigned to initscripts. I think this is probably closer to the problem. Thanks, Jim -- Doubt isn't the opposite of faith; it is an element of faith. -- Paul Tillich, German theologian. From acbk at zeelandnet.nl Mon Sep 22 13:54:58 2003 From: acbk at zeelandnet.nl (h.breimer) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:54:58 +0200 Subject: up2date and signatures Message-ID: <20030922155458.387fe5d6.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> The pubkeys I have installed are: $ rpm -qa gpg-pubkey gpg-pubkey-db42a60e-37ea5438 gpg-pubkey-e418e3aa-3f439953 Initially after installing the second key up2date was happy with all packages. After a while some passed OK, others not. Now it complains with all packages again. What did I miss? I can allways use nosig of course, but that does not satisfy curiosity. Henk From mharris at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 14:34:54 2003 From: mharris at redhat.com (Mike A. Harris) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F691502.8050104@farorbit.com> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F691502.8050104@farorbit.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, stephan schutter wrote: >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:14:26 -0500 >From: stephan schutter >To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases > >Subject: Re: joysick... > >Well... I just thought that one might want to cover all bases... Geeks >play games right? Anyway, S.u.S.E has included such a tool in Yast... >Why not copy them? Or mandrake... Desktop OSes ought to have tools to >configur all common harware; i thing anyway... For starters, SuSE's YAST tool, isn't open source to my knowledge. Red Hat isn't likely to devote engineering resources to something useful only for playing video games. Someone theoretically could do it in their spare time, but having it designated as a must-have solution for the enterprise is unlikely. It's just not something I can see us spending money developing internally. It does however make perfect sense being developed by someone sufficiently motivated to volunteer and write such a tool cleanly, or suggest an existing one. (Or convince someone else to write one.) Perfectly fits into the community nature of the project for such a motivated individual. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat From mitch at metauser.net Mon Sep 22 14:36:21 2003 From: mitch at metauser.net (Mitch Anderson) Date: 22 Sep 2003 08:36:21 -0600 Subject: Severn mouse died In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064241381.21559.1.camel@twoface> What device option is listed under the input device section of your XF86Config? and what type of mouse is it? On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 23:31, Gene Ballard wrote: > Installed Severn just fine. Mouse, standard PS2, worked just fine. > > Setup Evolution and downloaded Flash player and tightvnc. > > This is my first time on a Linux desktop. I'm use to tinkering with > webservers by command line so I am kinda lost with all these windows on > linux. > > I failed at installing Flash player because it kept asking for the path of > mozilla but wouldn't take it. > > Couldn't find tightvnc after install. > > Restarted and mouse did not work. I didn't see any errors on boot...? > > Put disk 1 in as if I was updating machine and mouse worked fine. > > Took disk 1 out, rebooted, and mouse failed to work. > > Respectfully, > > Gene > > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 16:02:56 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:02:56 -0400 Subject: ext3 from WinXP? In-Reply-To: <20030919174954.GB8126@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net>; from jbinpg@shaw.ca on Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:49:54AM -0700 References: <1063868928.2708.4.camel@tiger> <20030918084545.A4898@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030919174954.GB8126@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <20030922120256.A31271@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:49:54AM -0700, Jack Bowling wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:45:45AM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > [snip] > > So folks, please subscribe and keep your beta systems up2date > > with the "Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates" channel. > > I tried that channel yesterday but it said there was nothing in it. User > error? I don't know -- I do know that I update from that channel on my machines most days. Try again? michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From hosting at j2solutions.net Mon Sep 22 15:06:51 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:06:51 -0700 Subject: NameChange Message-ID: <200309220806.51640.hosting@j2solutions.net> fedora.redhat.com -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From vid at linuxpowered.com Mon Sep 22 14:55:22 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:55:22 -0500 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD Message-ID: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> Hi, I tried to lookup anyone else who had the same problem as me with Severn and IEEE1394, I found the following message.. http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00464.html My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with the drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to work. Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, until the I turn the drive off again. I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want to work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my music is on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while working. On my 9.0 system, I could see the drive as /dev/sda and I could mount /dev/sda1 /mnt etc, without an issue. I have a feeling this also has to do with my cdrom not working in Severn as well. I have a plextor 52x32x48 CDRW, grub has the line appended to say hdc=ide-scsi , but dmesg gives seek errors. But i'll work on that after I get the firewire to work. Nobody responded to the other guy, I'm hoping someone will help me. -- Vidyut Luther Linuxpowered From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Sep 22 15:11:05 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:11:05 -0500 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F691502.8050104@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <3F6F1109.2060604@farorbit.com> I was not thinking of the enterprize... Besides, Microsoft's Enterprize solutions do have this and many other nice-to-have features. I agree that an organization may not make their OS choice based on the presence of a tool to configure joysticks -- but the presence of such a tool does add to the overall impression of the product; how complete it is. Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, stephan schutter wrote: > > >>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:14:26 -0500 >>From: stephan schutter >>To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>List-Id: For testers of Red Hat Linux beta releases >> >>Subject: Re: joysick... >> >>Well... I just thought that one might want to cover all bases... Geeks >>play games right? Anyway, S.u.S.E has included such a tool in Yast... >>Why not copy them? Or mandrake... Desktop OSes ought to have tools to >>configur all common harware; i thing anyway... > > > For starters, SuSE's YAST tool, isn't open source to my > knowledge. Red Hat isn't likely to devote engineering resources > to something useful only for playing video games. Someone > theoretically could do it in their spare time, but having it > designated as a must-have solution for the enterprise is > unlikely. > > It's just not something I can see us spending money developing > internally. It does however make perfect sense being developed > by someone sufficiently motivated to volunteer and write such a > tool cleanly, or suggest an existing one. (Or convince someone > else to write one.) > > Perfectly fits into the community nature of the project for such > a motivated individual. > > From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 16:12:38 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:12:38 -0400 Subject: Isabel - Re: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <003801c3804c$dcacfc60$201e16ac@AllAccess>; from michael@ywow.org on Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:30:09AM -0400 References: <200309151444.35115.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030915191154.A2699@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1063682752.5443.88.camel@one.myworld> <018301c37c0d$ecae97b0$201e16ac@AllAccess> <1063707037.1405.17.camel@one.myworld> <1063726464.5440.3.camel@one.myworld> <20030916125203.A12812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <003801c3804c$dcacfc60$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <20030922121238.B31271@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:30:09AM -0400, MJang wrote: > Dear Michael, > > Here's hoping that everyone at Red Hat, and their families and homes, are safe and secure. I think we all hope that if you've lost > power and Internet access, that it comes back soon. (Nearly 700,000 homes lost power in North Carolina.) Thank you for your kind wishes; I believe that all Red Hatters and families are safe and sound. > The efforts that you made to update the Website, to keep us updated with information, I think, were nothing short of heroic. The truly heroic efforts were on the part of our IS team making the changes while working nearly 24x7 to make sure that we were very, very well prepared for Isabel. Enjoy the new site, now at http://fedora.redhat.com/ (Yes, there's a redirect :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From jsmith at drgutah.com Mon Sep 22 16:21:47 2003 From: jsmith at drgutah.com (Jared Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:21:47 -0600 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD In-Reply-To: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> References: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> Message-ID: <1064247706.15434.35.camel@banff.drgutah.com> [notes added below] On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 08:55, Vidyut Luther wrote: > Hi, > I tried to lookup anyone else who had the same problem as me with > Severn and IEEE1394, I found the following message.. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00464.html > > My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with the > drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to work. > Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, until the > I turn the drive off again. > I don't have this problem with my firewire CD burner... maybe it's only specific brands/models/flavors? > I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages > updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want to > work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my music is > on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while working. > > On my 9.0 system, I could see the drive as /dev/sda and I could mount > /dev/sda1 /mnt etc, without an issue. > > I have a feeling this also has to do with my cdrom not working in Severn > as well. I have a plextor 52x32x48 CDRW, grub has the line appended to > say hdc=ide-scsi , but dmesg gives seek errors. > I see seek errors on all my CDROM devices on all my Severn and Rawhide boxes... I think something about smartd triggers a seek error on CDROM devices. I haven't worried too much about it though. > But i'll work on that after I get the firewire to work. > Nobody responded to the other guy, I'm hoping someone will help me. > If there's anything you'd like me to try on my end, I'm more than happy to help you debug the problem. Jared Smith From list at wolfix.com Mon Sep 22 16:15:15 2003 From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:15:15 -0500 Subject: Severn mouse died In-Reply-To: <200309220539.h8M5dn804114@rem.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: > > I failed at installing Flash player because it kept asking for > the path of mozilla but wouldn't take it. > > There's a bug in the installer script. For some reason, it > usually won't accept /usr/lib/mozilla as the install directory > even though that's the default. > When I gave it /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4, it was OK with > that. Worked good for me too... adding -1.4. Thanks. Respectfully, Gene From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Mon Sep 22 16:31:15 2003 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:31:15 -0700 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" Message-ID: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> I received the email announcement. I have read every page at fedora.redhat.com I have found no clarification about just what the implication is of the following statement from fedora.us and similar statements at fedoda.redhat.com * This merger necessitates the removal of certain problematic packages due to licensing issues. Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to pickup the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included in recent Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. I am not one who complained or had a problem with Red Hat taking this stand BUT I was very, very glad to able to go to Fedora and download versions of these added packages that would work with a standard install. I HAD high hopes the growth of Fedora would lead to a much, much easier to use combination RH[L] + Fedora. I am very concerned these vague statements mean that I will be forced, once more, to get these added packages from special purpose, limited, repositories which force me to particular non-standard configurations (must have ALSA, etc.) and/or back to trying to figure out how to pull together all the source, build it, etc. I have only recently, through Fedora, been able to *easily* get various sound and video apps working on my RH8 and RH9 workstations. In large part because I could apt/yum apps built to work with my standard RH installs. I am also concerned that this "open" project has made only these vague statements. This seems like a pretty major point and one which you'all should be up front about. R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts From list at wolfix.com Mon Sep 22 16:23:44 2003 From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:23:44 -0500 Subject: Severn mouse died In-Reply-To: <1064241381.21559.1.camel@twoface> Message-ID: >Mitch Anderson > > What device option is listed under the input device section of your > XF86Config? and what type of mouse is it? > I was using a Microsoft PS2 with a wheel using the Standard drivers instead of Microsoft drivers. I reinstalled Severn and chose the Microsoft drivers... During initial setup of Time and location the mouse flaked out and wouldn't let me click any buttons so I restarted and switched mouse out with old 3 button and thumb clicker Logitech and it worked fine. BTW... Does RH read these post for bugs or do I need to report to Bugzilla? Respectfully, Gene From vid at linuxpowered.com Mon Sep 22 16:43:50 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:43:50 -0500 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD In-Reply-To: <1064247706.15434.35.camel@banff.drgutah.com> References: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> <1064247706.15434.35.camel@banff.drgutah.com> Message-ID: <1064249030.16672.35.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> do you have any other USB/Firewire Mass storage devices ? My printer has a pcmcia slot for memory card reading, and I have one of those USB all in one readers which are also considered mass storage devices.. I'm going to go home tonight and uplug everything except the firewire drive. So all I have is ohci1394 and sbp2. Plus my regular ide drive. On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:21, Jared Smith wrote: > [notes added below] > > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 08:55, Vidyut Luther wrote: > > Hi, > > I tried to lookup anyone else who had the same problem as me with > > Severn and IEEE1394, I found the following message.. > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00464.html > > > > My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with the > > drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to work. > > Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, until the > > I turn the drive off again. > > > I don't have this problem with my firewire CD burner... maybe it's only > specific brands/models/flavors? > > > I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages > > updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want to > > work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my music is > > on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while working. > > > > On my 9.0 system, I could see the drive as /dev/sda and I could mount > > /dev/sda1 /mnt etc, without an issue. > > > > I have a feeling this also has to do with my cdrom not working in Severn > > as well. I have a plextor 52x32x48 CDRW, grub has the line appended to > > say hdc=ide-scsi , but dmesg gives seek errors. > > > I see seek errors on all my CDROM devices on all my Severn and Rawhide > boxes... I think something about smartd triggers a seek error on CDROM > devices. I haven't worried too much about it though. > > > But i'll work on that after I get the firewire to work. > > Nobody responded to the other guy, I'm hoping someone will help me. > > > If there's anything you'd like me to try on my end, I'm more than happy > to help you debug the problem. > > Jared Smith > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From benhsu at dslextreme.com Mon Sep 22 16:55:41 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:55:41 -0700 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD In-Reply-To: <1064247706.15434.35.camel@banff.drgutah.com> References: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> <1064247706.15434.35.camel@banff.drgutah.com> Message-ID: <1064249740.2882.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:21, Jared Smith wrote: > > My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with the > > drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to work. > > Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, until the > > I turn the drive off again. > > > > I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages > > updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want to > > work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my music is > > on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while working. See bug 103821. Basically I've been able to get my disk working in 2.4.22 (the latest last I checked kernel) after booting it up with rescan-scsi-bus.sh. This configuration seems stable (I was able to play music for several hours), but it might have generated lots of warning stack traces in my /var/log/messages (I don't remember if it was 2.4.22 or 2.6.0-test* which did that, or both) From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Mon Sep 22 17:04:14 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: 22 Sep 2003 19:04:14 +0200 Subject: NameChange In-Reply-To: <200309220806.51640.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309220806.51640.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1064250254.3840.3.camel@ibmLaptop> Am Mon, 2003-09-22 um 17.06 schrieb Jesse Keating: > fedora.redhat.com Wondering about the reasons to integrate the fedora project into the redhat domain. Keeping it independent from redhat would have enabled fedora to offer rpm packages, which Redhat might not be able to take responsibility for (e.g. the mp3 packages, decss, ...) Peter From jdy at cs.brown.edu Mon Sep 22 17:08:57 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:08:57 -0400 Subject: NameChange In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:06:51 PDT." <200309220806.51640.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309220806.51640.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20030922170857.9CB9F3EA9@null.cs.brown.edu> Fierce the sun of Bora-Bora -------- From: Jesse Keating Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:06:51 -0700 To: rhl-beta-list at redhat.com Subj: NameChange fedora.redhat.com -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nmarsh1 at mac.com Mon Sep 22 17:32:46 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nick Marsh) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:32:46 -0500 Subject: Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? Message-ID: <876655.1064251966215.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? Just curious, I didn't see an annoucment about it or anything. Thanks. nick marsh nmarsh1 at mac.com From seanlkml at rogers.com Mon Sep 22 17:36:10 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:36:10 -0400 Subject: Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? In-Reply-To: <876655.1064251966215.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> References: <876655.1064251966215.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030922133610.564a552d.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:32:46 -0500 Nick Marsh wrote: > Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? > > Just curious, I didn't see an annoucment about it or anything. Thanks. > Hi Nick, I _just_ noticed this line at the bottom of: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ Please note that if you have subscribed in the past to rhl-list, rhl-beta-list, rhl-devel-list, or rhl-docs-list, your subscriptions have been retained. Cheers, Sean From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Mon Sep 22 17:39:11 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:39:11 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <20030922173911.GA18043@ti19> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:31:15AM -0700, Randall J. Parr wrote: > I am also concerned that this "open" project has made only these vague > statements. This seems like a pretty major point and one which you'all > should be up front about. IANAL, but ... I think that one should grant that any policy in this area is largely the domain of lawyers, not engineers, and that it touches on areas that are far from settled law. There will certainly have to be "3rd Party" repositories, hosted in the (rapidly shrinking) free world. Some mechanism will need to be used to find these repositories. I imagine that it will have to be some sort of search facility, not a static collection of links, or a hierarchical naming scheme like DNS, in order to maintain an arms-length relationship. Otherwise, Red Hat expose itself to charges of contributory infringement. As a first step, I would suggest defining a repository link filetype, akin to a torrent file, so that searches in Google or other engines for (mp3 filetype:fedora) or similar return a useful link. (Use of a filetype that can be verified by the search engine helps to avoid it being hijacked for other purposes). Such a mechanism will also likely require a GPG web-of-trust model for the repository keys, again, to maintain an arms-length relationship while protecting package integrity. Regards, Bill Rugolsky From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 17:40:44 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:40:44 -0400 Subject: Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? In-Reply-To: <876655.1064251966215.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com>; from nmarsh1@mac.com on Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:32:46PM -0500 References: <876655.1064251966215.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030922134044.A21812@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:32:46PM -0500, Nick Marsh wrote: > Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? > > Just curious, I didn't see an annoucment about it or anything. Thanks. Because someone typo'ed when changing rhl-beta-list to fedora-test-list, the announce mail that was sent to all the lists didn't end up arriving on fedora-test-list. Oops. I'll have to re-send. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 15:34:42 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:34:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora Project: Announcing New Direction Message-ID: <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Red Hat and Fedora Linux are pleased to announce an alignment of their mutually complementary core proficiencies leveraging them synergistically in the creation of the Fedora Project, a paradigm shift for Linux technology development and rolling early deployment models. We are <...> *thud* One two ... one two ... testing, is this thing on? Hello, this is, um, the Engineers speaking. We are still really excited about the project, but this time we have more than just dates. We hope fedora.redhat.com will answer lots of your questions, and are sure it will pose a few new ones. Why Fedora? Red Hat has a lot of experience in building solid dependable core distributions while the Fedora Linux Project has lots of experience in building effective infrastructure and policy to create many high quality add on packages. Both groups decided to merge the two projects and build outward using our shared experience, and to use the name "Fedora Project". We don't pretend the merge will be smooth or immediate, but we firmly believe that working with the Fedora Linux Project will get external projects and add-ons up and running better and faster than we could on our own and we are proud to be working with them. The Fedora Project is something special. It enables Red Hat and the community to work together to provide the community with rapid rolling releases and to get new technology into the hands of developers. With the solid establishment of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat now has a platform for predictable change and high quality support for customers, and for our ISV and IHV partners. Fedora is about the community, about cool new technologies, and extending existing Red Hat tools in a collaborative community. Our new up2date, for example, supports YUM and apt-get repositories. Fellow Fedorans, a new dawn is upon us, let us begin. Please note: The http://rhl.redhat.com/ web site has been renamed http://fedora.redhat.com/ and the mailing lists have all been renamed: rhl-list at redhat.com -> fedora-list at redhat.com rhl-beta-list at redhat.com -> fedora-test-list at redhat.com rhl-devel-list at redhat.com -> fedora-devel-list at redhat.com rhl-docs-list at redhat.com -> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Your subscriptions have been preserved, moved over to the new names for the lists. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 22 17:44:53 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:44:53 +0200 Subject: Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? In-Reply-To: <876655.1064251966215.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> References: <876655.1064251966215.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030922174453.GB15687@orient.maison> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:32:46PM -0500, Nick Marsh wrote: > > Has the beta-list converted into fedora-test? Yup. >From Michael Johnson's mail to all the fedora lists: The http://rhl.redhat.com/ web site has been renamed http://fedora.redhat.com/ and the mailing lists have all been renamed: rhl-list at redhat.com -> fedora-list at redhat.com rhl-beta-list at redhat.com -> fedora-test-list at redhat.com rhl-devel-list at redhat.com -> fedora-devel-list at redhat.com rhl-docs-list at redhat.com -> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Emmanuel From seanlkml at rogers.com Mon Sep 22 17:45:48 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:45:48 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030922173911.GA18043@ti19> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922173911.GA18043@ti19> Message-ID: <20030922134548.15676107.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:39:11 -0400 "Bill Rugolsky Jr." wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:31:15AM -0700, Randall J. Parr wrote: > > I am also concerned that this "open" project has made only these > > vague statements. This seems like a pretty major point and one which > > you'all should be up front about. > > IANAL, but ... > > I think that one should grant that any policy in this area is largely > the domain of lawyers, not engineers, and that it touches on areas > that are far from settled law. There will certainly have to be "3rd > Party" > repositories, hosted in the (rapidly shrinking) free world. > > Some mechanism will need to be used to find these repositories. > I imagine that it will have to be some sort of search facility, not a > static collection of links, or a hierarchical naming scheme like DNS, > in order to maintain an arms-length relationship. Otherwise, Red Hat > expose itself to charges of contributory infringement. > > As a first step, I would suggest defining a repository link filetype, > akin to a torrent file, so that searches in Google or other engines > for (mp3 filetype:fedora) or similar return a useful link. (Use of > a filetype that can be verified by the search engine helps to avoid it > being hijacked for other purposes). Such a mechanism will also likely > require a GPG web-of-trust model for the repository keys, again, to > maintain an arms-length relationship while protecting package > integrity. > Bill, IANAL either and maybe that's why i didn't understand much of what you said. The Fedora Project and RedHat _merged_, what is it exactly that RedHat must keep an arms length relationship to? Itself? Sean. From jdy at cs.brown.edu Mon Sep 22 17:54:51 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:54:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora Project: Announcing New Direction In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:34:42 EDT." <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030922175451.70DD03EA9@null.cs.brown.edu> -------- From: "Michael K. Johnson" > Why Fedora? > > Red Hat has a lot of experience in building solid dependable core > distributions while the Fedora Linux Project has lots of experience in > building effective infrastructure and policy to create many high quality > add on packages. Both groups decided to merge the two projects and build > outward using our shared experience, and to use the name "Fedora Project". I think this is a brilliant and not surprising move. Maybe it is time to resurrect the redhat contrib net membership list and reinvite (them/us) back into the fold? My memory of RCN was that as time went on the incoming directory was processed less and less frequently and eventually people just gave up. However, these packagers all have a long term aquaintance with the .spec format and would make a great boost to fedora if they could be brought back. Joel From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 17:56:13 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:56:13 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com>; from RParr@TemporalArts.COM on Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:31:15AM -0700 References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Randall J. Parr (RParr at TemporalArts.COM) said: > * This merger necessitates the removal of certain problematic packages > due to licensing issues. > > > Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to pickup > the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included in recent > Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. Correct. While I can't speak for certain, I'm sure there will be third party repository maintainers willing to host such software. Bill From seanlkml at rogers.com Mon Sep 22 17:58:22 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:58:22 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030922135822.0a1d4326.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:56:13 -0400 Bill Nottingham wrote: > Randall J. Parr (RParr at TemporalArts.COM) said: > > * This merger necessitates the removal of certain problematic > > packages > > due to licensing issues. > > > > > > Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to > > pickup the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included > > in recent Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. > > Correct. > > While I can't speak for certain, I'm sure there will be third > party repository maintainers willing to host such software. > I see.. this answers my question from earlier as well. thanks. Sean. From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Mon Sep 22 18:02:11 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:02:11 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030922134548.15676107.seanlkml@rogers.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922173911.GA18043@ti19> <20030922134548.15676107.seanlkml@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20030922180211.GC18333@ti19> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:45:48PM -0400, Sean Estabrooks wrote: > IANAL either and maybe that's why i didn't understand much of what you > said. The Fedora Project and RedHat _merged_, what is it exactly that > RedHat must keep an arms length relationship to? Itself? Code that has legal "issues" -- DMCA (DeCSS), software patents (MP3, MPEG-4, etc.), copyright violations (fonts, binary codecs, etc.). One case that particularly irks me is Valgrind, which is apparently a software patent minefield. (See Bugzilla.) It would be nice to have a list of applicable patents, and see whether IBM, now that it owns Rational, can grant some sort of patent cover for it (and qemu?); HP (via Compaq, via DEC) may also hold some applicable patents. Bill Rugolsky From limbo at bluethingy.com Mon Sep 22 18:19:37 2003 From: limbo at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F6F1109.2060604@farorbit.com> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F691502.8050104@farorbit.com> <3F6F1109.2060604@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <1064254776.2889.34.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 08:11, stephan schutter wrote: > I was not thinking of the enterprize... Besides, Microsoft's Enterprize > solutions do have this and many other nice-to-have features. I agree > that an organization may not make their OS choice based on the presence > of a tool to configure joysticks -- but the presence of such a tool does > add to the overall impression of the product; how complete it is. Microsoft's consumer OS is: a) a popular game platform b) a profit center Red Hat's consumer OS, on the other hand, is: a) not a popular game platform b) not a profit center c) non-existent With the merging of the consumer/enterprise platforms in the various flavors of XP, there's no penalty to Microsoft for including the consumer-friendly parts in the enterprise line (assuming you're speaking of Win2k/XP Professional) which are also targeted at "power user" consumers. But I seriously doubt that Microsoft's sales pitch to CIOs will ever include a discussion of WinXP's gaming hardware support as a factor of its "completeness" - except perhaps in the context of "Can it be removed?" And until Red Hat's revenues start to get into the same city (much less the same ballpark) as Microsoft's, I wouldn't expect them to apply too many resources to something that does not tangibly enhance the profitability of their products. From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Mon Sep 22 18:19:39 2003 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:19:39 -0700 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> Bill Nottingham wrote: >Randall J. Parr (RParr at TemporalArts.COM) said: > > >>* This merger necessitates the removal of certain problematic packages >>due to licensing issues. >> >> >>Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to pickup >>the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included in recent >>Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. >> >> > >Correct. > >While I can't speak for certain, I'm sure there will be third >party repository maintainers willing to host such software. > > > Yes, there are but they are limited and/or carry with them considerable problems/conflicts. The very problems/conflicts which Fedora was really starting to solve (for me). Given the recent retoric on the Fedora and Red Hat newsgroups I had high hopes the Fedora repository and approach would expand and gain more wide spread use thus making it even easier to pull-together a fully functional workstation/desktop. Now it appears the one good, effective effort has been coopted and devalued. Yes, I am glad (as a shareholder) to see Red Hat find such a creative way to improve (exit, pawn off?) the development process and availability of "Red Hat for the masses" BUT it appears you've also neutered the best hope/source for all those other things Red Hat hasn't wanted to or been able to deal with. The things needed to provide my customers (and myself) a reasonable, competitive alternative to Windows. Killing off such a step forward for Red Hat users with a vague "I'm sure there will be ..." seems short-sighted and/or selfish (of Red Hat). Hey, I'm out here trying to promote both Red Hat and Linux and it hurts to get cut-off at the knees. Now, if this IS being addressed, let us know. If not, please, can we address this soon. R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Sep 22 18:30:03 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:30:03 -0500 Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <1064254776.2889.34.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <3F667DBF.4010107@farorbit.com> <200309170108.57721.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F691502.8050104@farorbit.com> <3F6F1109.2060604@farorbit.com> <1064254776.2889.34.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <3F6F3FAB.2080103@farorbit.com> OK OK ... so let me re-phrase that; IS there such a package (that can configure a joystic)any where that any of you know about that I may add? Michael Knepher wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 08:11, stephan schutter wrote: > >>I was not thinking of the enterprize... Besides, Microsoft's Enterprize >>solutions do have this and many other nice-to-have features. I agree >>that an organization may not make their OS choice based on the presence >>of a tool to configure joysticks -- but the presence of such a tool does >> add to the overall impression of the product; how complete it is. > > > Microsoft's consumer OS is: > > a) a popular game platform > b) a profit center > > Red Hat's consumer OS, on the other hand, is: > > a) not a popular game platform > b) not a profit center > c) non-existent > > With the merging of the consumer/enterprise platforms in the various > flavors of XP, there's no penalty to Microsoft for including the > consumer-friendly parts in the enterprise line (assuming you're speaking > of Win2k/XP Professional) which are also targeted at "power user" > consumers. But I seriously doubt that Microsoft's sales pitch to CIOs > will ever include a discussion of WinXP's gaming hardware support as a > factor of its "completeness" - except perhaps in the context of "Can it > be removed?" > > And until Red Hat's revenues start to get into the same city (much less > the same ballpark) as Microsoft's, I wouldn't expect them to apply too > many resources to something that does not tangibly enhance the > profitability of their products. > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 18:34:58 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:34:58 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com>; from RParr@TemporalArts.COM on Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 11:19:39AM -0700 References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <20030922143458.A21557@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Randall J. Parr (RParr at TemporalArts.COM) said: > Yes, there are but they are limited and/or carry with them considerable > problems/conflicts. > The very problems/conflicts which Fedora was really starting to solve > (for me). Fedora Linux (http://www.fedora.us/) provided a framework for the posting of any packages. I don't see how it would be impossible for an external third party repository to use the same structure and framework. > Killing off such a step forward for Red Hat users with a vague "I'm sure > there will be ..." > seems short-sighted and/or selfish (of Red Hat). Well, to put it a different way, I personally feel (warning: Not Speaking for Red Hat), that it's better for the success of open source and Red Hat for Red Hat not to be sued into oblivion. :) I may be biased, though. And, from a legal standpoint, Red Hat just can't be providing such software. Bill From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 18:38:51 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> from "Randall J. Parr" at Med 22, 2003 11:19:39 Message-ID: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I had high hopes the Fedora repository and approach would expand and gain > more wide spread use thus making it even easier to pull-together a fully > functional workstation/desktop. I still hope that will happen > Red Hat hasn't wanted to or been able to deal with. The things needed > to provide my customers > (and myself) a reasonable, competitive alternative to Windows There is a difference between changing laws and breaking them. There are many pieces of software that can't be used in some countries and the framework exists to allow people to operate such repositories and others to use them. In the US there its a matter of changing the law or buying packages including patent licenses. From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 18:40:37 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: joysick... In-Reply-To: <3F6F3FAB.2080103@farorbit.com> from "stephan schutter" at Med 22, 2003 01:30:03 Message-ID: <200309221840.h8MIebl01502@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > OK OK ... so let me re-phrase that; > > IS there such a package (that can configure a joystic)any where that any > of you know about that I may add? I can't think of one. X also lacks a decent plain joystick driver as an Input device which doesn't help. I also agree its needed From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Mon Sep 22 18:48:43 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:48:43 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> I sometimes wish Redhat would just buy the license. It is becoming very inconvenient for us. With fedora now merged with Redhat, we now have to get these somewhere else. Can these not be hosted outside US, as a temporary measure until the issue is resolved, because it needs to be. I am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:39 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... > I had high hopes the Fedora repository and approach would expand and gain > more wide spread use thus making it even easier to pull-together a fully > functional workstation/desktop. I still hope that will happen > Red Hat hasn't wanted to or been able to deal with. The things needed > to provide my customers > (and myself) a reasonable, competitive alternative to Windows There is a difference between changing laws and breaking them. There are many pieces of software that can't be used in some countries and the framework exists to allow people to operate such repositories and others to use them. In the US there its a matter of changing the law or buying packages including patent licenses. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Sep 22 18:55:15 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:55:15 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <20030922205515.3a2f8335.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:19:39 -0700, Randall J. Parr wrote: > >>* This merger necessitates the removal of certain problematic packages > >>due to licensing issues. > >> > >> > >>Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to pickup > >>the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included in recent > >>Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. > >> > >> > > > >Correct. > > > >While I can't speak for certain, I'm sure there will be third > >party repository maintainers willing to host such software. > > > > > > > > Yes, there are but they are limited and/or carry with them considerable > problems/conflicts. Don't panic! Right now you don't know what new respositories will pop up to fill the gap. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/b0WT0iMVcrivHFQRAkdgAJ9X0iYLywX6mVxHUPGhGMe5USQlVwCggADY j1kPCEXq8F3cd/MjWMBh14w= =Xe/H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From warren at togami.com Mon Sep 22 18:57:28 2003 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:57:28 -1000 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <1064257047.24880.5.camel@laptop> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 08:48, Maynard Kuona wrote: > I sometimes wish Redhat would just buy the license. It is becoming very > inconvenient for us. With fedora now merged with Redhat, we now have to > get these somewhere else. Can these not be hosted outside US, as a > temporary measure until the issue is resolved, because it needs to be. I > am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a > hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is > it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. Licensing is impossible due to the nature of the GPL. You cannot have a situation where RH or Fedora can distribute the MP3 player, but but anyone that copied the distribution and distributed it elsewhere cannot. The GPL stipulates that there cannot be any additional restrictions on distribution, so anything that requires royalties is impossible to be compatible with the GPL. Warren From jspaleta at princeton.edu Mon Sep 22 18:58:13 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 22 Sep 2003 14:58:13 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... Message-ID: <1064257092.17917.3.camel@spatula> Maynard Kuona wrote: > I sometimes wish Redhat would just buy the license. It is becoming > very inconvenient for us Since this is more and more a community project...how about you contact the license holders and ask them how much it would cost to get a perpetual patent license that is not in conflict with the GPL. Get a price if you can get one...and then see how many people in the community are willing to fork over $$ towards a buyout of that GPL friendly license. Asking Red Hat to buy this license if its contrary to their long term business strategy of supporting OPEN standards...is a little short sighted. -jef"community effort sometimes equals community cashflow"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Mon Sep 22 18:58:18 2003 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:58:18 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <20030922185818.GF18333@ti19> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 11:19:39AM -0700, Randall J. Parr wrote: > Given the recent retoric on the Fedora and Red Hat newsgroups > I had high hopes the Fedora repository and approach would expand and gain > more wide spread use thus making it even easier to pull-together a fully > functional workstation/desktop. > > Now it appears the one good, effective effort has been coopted and devalued. Not really. There are already other repositories out there, such as Dag Wieers's, http://dag.wieers.com/packages/ who, *surprise*, is also a contributor to the original Fedora Linux Project. Also: ATrpms: http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/ Having perused the new Fedora web site a bit, the one thought that leaps to mind is that CVS will be the weakest link in scaling this project out. The sooner Fedora can move to a distributed revision control mechanism (such as arch) that integrates well with the build environment, the better it will be for contributors who, for whatever reason, legal or otherwise, cannot push their changes/packages upstream. Projects sometimes need to diverge rather far from the trunk before they are stable or useful, and constant merging with CVS is a miserable time-consuming task. E.g., SElinux, or full support for 2.6, both of which involve changes to the kernel, initscripts, mkinitrd, util-linux, ... There are of course reasons for retaining centralized control -- ask your friendly BSD'er. But I'd much rather see something akin to the current kernel development model for the entire Fedora distribution. Bill Rugolsky From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 18:59:22 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> from "Maynard Kuona" at Med 22, 2003 08:48:43 Message-ID: <200309221859.h8MIxMx19322@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I sometimes wish Redhat would just buy the license. It is becoming very > inconvenient for us. With fedora now merged with Redhat, we now have to Red Hat is a free software company. > am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a > hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is > it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. If you see a business opportunity to sell legal mp3 codecs to people go do it. You'll need to build from a non GPL player but you can even license the player core code too.. for a fee. From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 22 19:02:58 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:02:58 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:48:43PM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a > hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is > it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net and get it there. Emmanuel From antti at victoria.fi Mon Sep 22 19:03:30 2003 From: antti at victoria.fi (Antti) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:03:30 +0300 Subject: nautilus doesn't start Message-ID: <1064257409.1438.9.camel@onyx> I did a dist-upgrade to RAWHIDE and after that nautilus won't start. It says it has crashed due to a fatal error. What is this? How do I solve this? -- Antti From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Sep 22 19:21:59 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:21:59 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> Message-ID: <20030922212159.41c1681e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:02:58 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net > and get it there. Or watch out for a repository that adheres to Fedora's packaging guidelines. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/b0vX0iMVcrivHFQRAghkAJ9JcaQgUxovFmSKfa+PG3wrY6jE5ACfdvJV IS80pboApUxS0nVNCKzVaFc= =R8JM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sflory at rackable.com Mon Sep 22 19:28:28 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:28:28 -0700 Subject: fedora-test-list ? Message-ID: <3F6F4D5C.2010704@rackable.com> Did the serven list become the fedora-test-list? If not how did I get on to this list? (Not that I'm complaining!!!) -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From sflory at rackable.com Mon Sep 22 19:30:22 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:30:22 -0700 Subject: fedora-test-list ? In-Reply-To: <3F6F4D5C.2010704@rackable.com> References: <3F6F4D5C.2010704@rackable.com> Message-ID: <3F6F4DCE.20806@rackable.com> Samuel Flory wrote: > Did the serven list become the fedora-test-list? If not how did I get > on to this list? (Not that I'm complaining!!!) Never mind;-) -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From bfox at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 19:39:03 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: 22 Sep 2003 15:39:03 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list ? In-Reply-To: <3F6F4D5C.2010704@rackable.com> References: <3F6F4D5C.2010704@rackable.com> Message-ID: <1064259542.30175.18.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 15:28, Samuel Flory wrote: > Did the serven list become the fedora-test-list? If not how did I > get on to this list? (Not that I'm complaining!!!) rhl-beta-list became fedora-test-list. Cheers, Brent From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Sep 22 20:26:14 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:26:14 -0600 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030922205515.3a2f8335.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> <20030922205515.3a2f8335.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1064262374.1857.1.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 12:55, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > >>* This merger necessitates the removal of certain problematic packages > > >>due to licensing issues. > > >> > > >> > > >>Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to pickup > > >>the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included in recent > > >>Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Correct. > > > > > >While I can't speak for certain, I'm sure there will be third > > >party repository maintainers willing to host such software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there are but they are limited and/or carry with them considerable > > problems/conflicts. > > Don't panic! Right now you don't know what new respositories will pop > up to fill the gap. There's always Fresh RPMs (http://www.freshrpms.net). Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Mon Sep 22 20:32:26 2003 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:32:26 -0700 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> Message-ID: <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:48:43PM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > >>am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a >>hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is >>it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. >> >> > >If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net >and get it there. > > No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. I have tried, repeatedly to use freshrpms.net stuff but have constantly run into the above problems and/or conflicts with other stuff from other repositories. Yes, I can rebuild them or build them from source but the whirlpools seems to just spin faster then. On the other hand, Fedora, until now, has allowed me to very quickly and easily extend my standard Red Hat 7, 8, and 9 servers/workstations while encounter few if any of these problems. It has really, really been nice. But now it ends and I am thrown back into the whirlpool. It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts From hosting at j2solutions.net Mon Sep 22 20:33:59 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:33:59 -0700 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <200309221333.59379.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Monday 22 September 2003 13:32, Randall J. Parr wrote: > It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to > tell my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, > changeo, you can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really > don't do so well when I pass on to them the typical answer from these > lists of "just install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure > your modules.conf, maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', > Yeah, right" While freshrpms.net does "support" alsa, all the software they build also supports OSS, and it's most often trivial to use OSS instead of Alsa with their packages. You should also look to 2.6, when everybody will be using Alsa IIRC... -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From tommy.mcneely at sun.com Mon Sep 22 20:38:20 2003 From: tommy.mcneely at sun.com (Tommy McNeely) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:38:20 -0600 Subject: MS USB InteliMouse goes to sleep? Message-ID: Recently, after some unknown period of idle time, my mouse appears to go to sleep... I can still see a faint red light underneath, like it does when its still, but clicks dont work and it doesnt move either... I have to unplug it and plug it back in for the OS to detect and then it ligts up normally and works. (note that also the light at the bottom on the top (hard to explain) goes dark when it goes to sleep... not sure if this is happening to anyone else, or if yet another crappy microsoft product is just making my life difficult :) Tommy From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Mon Sep 22 20:39:28 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:39:28 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <3F6F5E00.9060102@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I've never had to install anything more than alsa-lib from FreshRPMs. I don't use the ALSA kernel modules and MP3s play just fine on my RH9/FreshRPMs/Dag Wieers box. Yum and apt have NEVER had a problem with this situation and I do my kernel updates via up2date. The only pain is running the nvidia-installer after the kernel upgrade. ~ Methinks your position may be uninformed on this issue. Randall J. Parr wrote: | Emmanuel Seyman wrote: | |> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:48:43PM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: |> |> |>> am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a |>> hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is |>> it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. |>> |> |> |> If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net |> and get it there. |> |> | | No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff | requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no | longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. | | I have tried, repeatedly to use freshrpms.net stuff but have constantly | run into the above problems and/or conflicts with other stuff from other | repositories. Yes, I can rebuild them or build them from source but the | whirlpools seems to just spin faster then. | | On the other hand, Fedora, until now, has allowed me to very quickly and | easily extend my standard Red Hat 7, 8, and 9 servers/workstations while | encounter few if any of these problems. It has really, really been nice. | But now it ends and I am thrown back into the whirlpool. | | It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell | my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you | can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well | when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just | install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, | maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" | | | R.Parr, RHCE | Temporal Arts | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/b14AN50Q8DVvcvkRAtRsAJ4iyS1QRCYkL+TIaeQzzDaYN3rqugCfaZdg xE+06yBXEVTyVrXWA5nVmLo= =oBiD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From minter at lunenburg.org Mon Sep 22 20:41:45 2003 From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Problems with USB keychain drive Message-ID: <20030922163813.W739@bunning.skiltech.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I opened Bug 104852 about this, but figured I'd ask here too. I've got a USB keychain drive (SanDisk Cruzer Mini 128MB), and it works fine on my Mac, and on the WinXP side of the dual-boot Dell I use at work. But on the Severn side of the Dell, it doesn't work. The drive appears to get recognized fine as /dev/sda, but then it hangs and eventually gets: Sep 22 16:15:43 localhost kernel: hub.c: USB device not accepting new address (error=-71) Sep 22 16:15:48 localhost kernel: usb-storage: host_reset() requested but not implemented Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: scsi: device set offline - command error recover failed: host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: SCSI error: host 1 id 0 lun 0 return code = 6050000 Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: ^ISense class 0, sense error 0, extended sense 0 Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: unable to read partition table Anyone on the list have any ideas? - --Wade -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/b16Oo4DwsyRGDscRAgkyAKCQXdWRWh5QldC4Z+7Nxl3sqG02UwCgpxJ9 Wsi+Pa+ATknsZ9MNyxeZz70= =kYBh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Mon Sep 22 20:43:50 2003 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:43:50 -0700 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030922143458.A21557@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F3D3B.9060800@TemporalArts.com> <20030922143458.A21557@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6F5F06.80508@TemporalArts.com> Bill Nottingham wrote: >Randall J. Parr (RParr at TemporalArts.COM) said: > > >>Yes, there are but they are limited and/or carry with them considerable >>problems/conflicts. >>The very problems/conflicts which Fedora was really starting to solve >>(for me). >> >> > >Fedora Linux (http://www.fedora.us/) provided a framework for the >posting of any packages. I don't see how it would be impossible for >an external third party repository to use the same structure and >framework. > Then why didn't Red Hat just use the framework / structure. Did you have to neuter the current project? >>Killing off such a step forward for Red Hat users with a vague "I'm sure >>there will be ..." >>seems short-sighted and/or selfish (of Red Hat). >> >> > >Well, to put it a different way, I personally feel (warning: Not Speaking >for Red Hat), that it's better for the success of open source and Red Hat >for Red Hat not to be sued into oblivion. :) I may be biased, though. > >And, from a legal standpoint, Red Hat just can't be providing such software. > > I, as a shareholder, do not want Red Hat sued into oblivion. I don't want it sued as all. I appreciate that Red Hat can not appear support software which carries legal risks (I quess I should say real risks as opposed to SCO risks). BUT people on the Red Hat lists (incl many Red Hat employees) have taken to saying the lack of such software is not *really* a problem because you can just go grab it at Fedora (or freshrpms, etc.). Yes, there are repository conflicts, etc. but Fedora is providing a solution for that as well. Only you've now absorbed the best such option into Red Hat thus rendering it unable to solve these problems any more. And (here's my primary point) you did so without providing or arranging for any alternative that does solve the problem. I'm frustrated. It seems every time we start to get close to solid, useable, way to build/expand/maintain a full-featured Red Hat workstation/desktop it is snatched away. R.Parr, RCHE Temporal Arts From list at wolfix.com Mon Sep 22 20:37:20 2003 From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:37:20 -0500 Subject: Install Additional packages - Severn 9.0.93 Message-ID: Tried to install additional packages, SAMBA and VNC etc... Severn ask me to put CD 1 in so I did... Mounted the CD and press OK but it doesn't see the CD... keeps asking me to put it in. Do these bugs get reported to Bugzilla or do I have to report them again to Bugzilla? I didn't expect Severn to have so many bugs... I set up a system for my wife to email, chat and word process but I think I'll be better off using Shrike. Can I downgrade to Shrike or do I have to do a clean install? Respectfully, Gene From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Sep 22 20:51:37 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:51:37 -0600 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <1064263897.1857.19.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 14:32, Randall J. Parr wrote: > > > >If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net > >and get it there. > > > > > > No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff > requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no > longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. > > I have tried, repeatedly to use freshrpms.net stuff but have constantly > run into the above problems and/or conflicts with other stuff from other > repositories. Yes, I can rebuild them or build them from source but the > whirlpools seems to just spin faster then. That's odd. I got *my* MP3 support from Fresh RPMs and I don't run ALSA. Works just fine too. Granted, I did have to install *some* of the Fresh RPMs ALSA packages, but the ALSA kernel was not one of them. I did it all with their version of Synaptic - no problems at all. I only recently switched to Fedora and even then, going between the two was surprisingly simple. I thought it would be much worse than it was. Also, kernel 2.6 uses ALSA, so we will all be using it sooner rather than later. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From list at wolfix.com Mon Sep 22 20:45:17 2003 From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:45:17 -0500 Subject: Critical update - Privacy policy times out - Severn 9.0.93 Message-ID: Critical update - Privacy policy times out - Severn 9.0.93 When I click the update button the Privacy Policy never comes up. Respectfully, Gene From list at wolfix.com Mon Sep 22 20:45:00 2003 From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:45:00 -0500 Subject: Install Additional packages - Severn 9.0.93 Message-ID: Tried to install additional packages, SAMBA and VNC etc... Severn ask me to put CD 1 in so I did... Mounted the CD and press OK but it doesn't see the CD... keeps asking me to put it in. Do these bugs get reported to Bugzilla or do I have to report them again to Bugzilla? I didn't expect Severn to have so many bugs... I set up a system for my wife to email, chat and word process but I think I'll be better off using Shrike. Can I downgrade to Shrike or do I have to do a clean install? Respectfully, Gene From ted at cypress.com Mon Sep 22 21:35:05 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:35:05 -0500 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <3F6F6B09.3010807@cypress.com> Randall J. Parr wrote: > Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >> If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net >> and get it there. > > No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff > requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no > longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. Already mentioned. no kernel changes are required. > It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell > my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you > can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well > when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just > install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, > maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" Add freshrpms to yum.conf yum install xmms-mp3 presto, play mp3 files. yum install ogle (xine) prest, play DVDs (if you want add libdvdcss too) -Thomas From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 21:54:07 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F5F06.80508@TemporalArts.com> from "Randall J. Parr" at Med 22, 2003 01:43:50 Message-ID: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > repository conflicts, etc. but Fedora is providing a solution for that > as well. Only you've now absorbed the best such option into Red Hat thus > rendering it unable to solve these problems any more. And (here's my > primary point) you did so without providing or arranging for any > alternative that does solve the problem. Fedora being US based is not a solution and was not a solution for those non US citizens entitled to use some things that US citizens are forbidden. Its no different to everything else - multiregion DVD players are the norm except in the USA, but that doesn't mean US citizens can safely import them or that the ability to import them 'solves the problem' For non US citizens solving the problem means solving it outside the USA without US companies help. > I'm frustrated. It seems every time we start to get close to solid, > useable, way to build/expand/maintain a full-featured Red Hat > workstation/desktop it is snatched away. If parts of your system are in violation of local law they are neither usable nor a solution. The internet exists because people had the guts to refuse more featureful proprietary networks and put up with the inconvenience of change, the move to commodity open audio and video protocols depends on and will follow the same paths. There is more to doing the right thing than instant gratification. Alan From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 21:58:38 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:58:38 +0200 Subject: Install Additional packages - Severn 9.0.93 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064267918.2065.11.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 22:37, Gene Ballard wrote: > Tried to install additional packages, SAMBA and VNC > etc... > Severn ask me to put CD 1 in so I did... Mounted the > CD and press OK but it doesn't see the CD... keeps > asking me to put it in. Hmm, strange error. This is in an already running system? > Do these bugs get reported to Bugzilla or do I have > to report them again to Bugzilla? You'll only find out if you search yourself (unless someone on the list happens to have had this problem as well -- Bugzilla gets filled by much more people than reading this list). In general: For every bug you find, look in Bugzilla whether it's already there, if not put it in. Posting on this list alone is not sufficient. > I didn't expect Severn to have so many bugs... I set > up a system for my wife to email, chat and word > process but I think I'll be better off using Shrike. Hmm, I have a system that gets used by my wife as well for similar purposes -- she doesn't have much problems with it (except BZ #103916 which can be worked around by switching to another component than the mail component before eaxiting evolution). > Can I downgrade to Shrike or do I have to do a clean > install? While downgrading is theoretically possible, I'd recommend against it as there is no easy way to do it (you have to downgrade packages manually). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Parr Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:32 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... Emmanuel Seyman wrote: >On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:48:43PM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > >>am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a >>hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is >>it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. >> >> > >If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net >and get it there. > > No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. I have tried, repeatedly to use freshrpms.net stuff but have constantly run into the above problems and/or conflicts with other stuff from other repositories. Yes, I can rebuild them or build them from source but the whirlpools seems to just spin faster then. On the other hand, Fedora, until now, has allowed me to very quickly and easily extend my standard Red Hat 7, 8, and 9 servers/workstations while encounter few if any of these problems. It has really, really been nice. But now it ends and I am thrown back into the whirlpool. It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From thiago at jampanight.com.br Mon Sep 22 22:11:13 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:11:13 -0300 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Seg, 2003-09-22 ?s 18:54, Alan Cox escreveu: > Fedora being US based is not a solution and was not a solution for those > non US citizens entitled to use some things that US citizens are forbidden. > Its no different to everything else - multiregion DVD players are the norm > except in the USA, but that doesn't mean US citizens can safely import > them or that the ability to import them 'solves the problem' > > For non US citizens solving the problem means solving it outside the USA > without US companies help. It's very ironic. The country that claims to be "free", where people **think** that have freedom to do anything they want, can't use a inofensive DVD disc made on another region, or can't listen to MP3 music. I would like to know when the american people will wake up, and see that they are made from the same sh*t that other people around the world, and that AMERICANS ARE NOT FREE. The CIA read your emails, listen to your phone calls. Your TV says what you have to think, to use, to watch, to dress, to eat, to drink, to vote. You are nothing but poor robots that thinks that control the world. It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see the two WTC towers going down. Regards, Thiago p.s. I'm glad that I was not born on the USA. I have culture and intelligence. Nobody says what I have to do. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Sep 22 22:19:47 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:19:47 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <3F6F7583.5080906@insight.rr.com> I'm getting a bit confused to the ultimate goal of combining Fedora with Red Hat. I only used Fedora to get a decent DVD playing program and some mp3 related programs. I hope this project goes into a direction to expand on the usefulness for the Red Hat / Fedora merging. There seems to be some great and competent developers working for the project. I hope this move enhances the people available to do the development and not cut out "redundant employees" for similar program development. Fedora as a standalone project was an asset to the Linux user. I hope the merge is an asset for the Linux community. Jim --- Randall J. Parr wrote: > I received the email announcement. > > I have read every page at fedora.redhat.com > > I have found no clarification about just what the implication is of the > following statement from fedora.us and similar statements at > fedoda.redhat.com > > * This merger necessitates the removal of certain problematic packages > due to licensing issues. > > > Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to pickup > the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included in recent > Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. > > I am not one who complained or had a problem with Red Hat taking this > stand BUT I was very, very glad to able to go to Fedora and download > versions of these added packages that would work with a standard > install. I HAD high hopes the growth of Fedora would lead to a much, > much easier to use combination RH[L] + Fedora. > > I am very concerned these vague statements mean that I will be forced, > once more, to get these added packages from special purpose, limited, > repositories which force me to particular non-standard configurations > (must have ALSA, etc.) and/or back to trying to figure out how to pull > together all the source, build it, etc. > > I have only recently, through Fedora, been able to *easily* get various > sound and video apps working on my RH8 and RH9 workstations. In large > part because I could apt/yum apps built to work with my standard RH > installs. > > I am also concerned that this "open" project has made only these vague > statements. This seems like a pretty major point and one which you'all > should be up front about. > > R.Parr, RHCE > Temporal Arts > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- A fail-safe circuit will destroy others. -- Klipstein From hosting at j2solutions.net Mon Sep 22 22:19:43 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:19:43 -0700 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309221519.43016.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Monday 22 September 2003 15:11, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see > the two WTC towers going down. > > > Regards, > Thiago > > p.s. I'm glad that I was not born on the USA. I have culture and > intelligence. Nobody says what I have to do. Please keep this kind of crap off the list. The friends/families of all those lost in the two towers (VERY VERY many of them were NOT American Citizens) do not appreciate such ignorant comments. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From vid at linuxpowered.com Mon Sep 22 22:20:45 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064269245.17739.15.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> wow... talk about instigating stuff. You are entitled to your opinions obviously, and so am I. But, please don't bring your political beliefs on this list. I was there when the towers went down, and I was there afterwards.. I helped with the clean up.. until you've picked up an arm, a leg, a hand or a head of a man from rubble, you have no idea what the madness was all about. Death is death, whether in America or in any other country. You pissing people off with your statements will not resolve anything. The members of this list did nothing to hurt you, we didn't say anything to bring back painful memories.. please do the same for us. I really don't see what you wanted to achieve with the email.. but please don't do it again. It really doesn't help the project any. On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 17:11, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em Seg, 2003-09-22 ??s 18:54, Alan Cox escreveu: > > Fedora being US based is not a solution and was not a solution for those > > non US citizens entitled to use some things that US citizens are forbidden. > > Its no different to everything else - multiregion DVD players are the norm > > except in the USA, but that doesn't mean US citizens can safely import > > them or that the ability to import them 'solves the problem' > > > > For non US citizens solving the problem means solving it outside the USA > > without US companies help. > > It's very ironic. The country that claims to be "free", where people > **think** that have freedom to do anything they want, can't use a > inofensive DVD disc made on another region, or can't listen to MP3 > music. > > I would like to know when the american people will wake up, and see that > they are made from the same sh*t that other people around the world, and > that AMERICANS ARE NOT FREE. > The CIA read your emails, listen to your phone calls. Your TV says what > you have to think, to use, to watch, to dress, to eat, to drink, to > vote. You are nothing but poor robots that thinks that control the > world. > > It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see > the two WTC towers going down. > > > Regards, > Thiago > > p.s. I'm glad that I was not born on the USA. I have culture and > intelligence. Nobody says what I have to do. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Vidyut Luther Linuxpowered From riel at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 22:26:06 2003 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: [snip HUGE flame] > I have culture and intelligence. You hide it well. -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Sep 22 22:20:20 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:20:20 +0900 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <3F6F7583.5080906@insight.rr.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <3F6F7583.5080906@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F6F75A4.8050404@tuins.ac.jp> Here I go obsessing with naming again, but it is an important point as some folk do have to prepare docs and such which include the name. So, now we know that it is the Fedora project, but is it going to be Fedora Linux now? Or is it still going to be Red Hat Linux as developed by the Fedora project? Is the Red Hat logo going to be gone from the GNOME menu or what? Ralston From riel at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 22:32:02 2003 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F6F5F06.80508@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Randall J. Parr wrote: > I'm frustrated. It seems every time we start to get close to solid, > useable, way to build/expand/maintain a full-featured Red Hat > workstation/desktop it is snatched away. I understand the Fedora people have their build system software published, so anybody can easily create a 3rd party repository of packages ... -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From i.pilcher at comcast.net Mon Sep 22 22:34:25 2003 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:34:25 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F6F78F1.9050108@comcast.net> Please remember not to feed the trolls. -- ======================================================================== Ian Pilcher i.pilcher at comcast.net ======================================================================== From chrish at trilug.org Mon Sep 22 22:38:12 2003 From: chrish at trilug.org (Magnus Hedemark) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:38:12 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309221838.18397.chrish@trilug.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 22 September 2003 06:11 pm, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > The CIA read your emails, listen to your phone calls. You're obviously confused. It is the FBI, not the CIA, that reads my email and listens to my phone calls. The CIA reads *your* email and listens to *your* phone calls. I'd clear up the rest but I've probably already exceeded your attention span and vocabulary. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/b3nYYPuF4Zq9lvYRAnFkAJ9TZHsZyYVNHgmu65LyIymb5gDgygCg7Zxn 9cKethGBwukj3Y5DA1RdaXw= =lqHl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 22:42:57 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:42:57 -0400 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <3F6F75A4.8050404@tuins.ac.jp>; from grant@tuins.ac.jp on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:20:20AM +0900 References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <3F6F7583.5080906@insight.rr.com> <3F6F75A4.8050404@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030922184257.A2034@devserv.devel.redhat.com> rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > Here I go obsessing with naming again, but it is an important point as > some folk do have to prepare docs and such which include the name. So, > now we know that it is the Fedora project, but is it going to be Fedora > Linux now? Or is it still going to be Red Hat Linux as developed by the > Fedora project? Is the Red Hat logo going to be gone from the GNOME > menu or what? The Red Hat logo is not on the gnome menu. That's just a random red hat. (silly, but important trademark distinction.) http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/terminology.html might help to answer your previous question. Bill From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 22 22:45:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <3F6F75A4.8050404@tuins.ac.jp> from "rg" at Med 23, 2003 07:20:20 Message-ID: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Here I go obsessing with naming again, but it is an important point as > some folk do have to prepare docs and such which include the name. So, > now we know that it is the Fedora project, but is it going to be Fedora > Linux now? Or is it still going to be Red Hat Linux as developed by the > Fedora project? Is the Red Hat logo going to be gone from the GNOME > menu or what? It is the Fedora Project. The core part of it is Fedora Core. We have proposed names for various categories of additional stuff, including externally maintained projects. One reason for it not being ".. Linux" is that someone might come along and build a version with a FreeBSD kernel, or ERoS based or other things. We hope to have the full trademark guideline stuff up ASAP, which I guess is the precise version of what you need ? From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Sep 22 22:48:38 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:48:38 +0900 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> Alan Cox wrote: >>Here I go obsessing with naming again, but it is an important point as >>some folk do have to prepare docs and such which include the name. So, >>now we know that it is the Fedora project, but is it going to be Fedora >>Linux now? Or is it still going to be Red Hat Linux as developed by the >>Fedora project? Is the Red Hat logo going to be gone from the GNOME >>menu or what? >> >> > >It is the Fedora Project. The core part of it is Fedora Core. We have >proposed names for various categories of additional stuff, including >externally maintained projects. One reason for it not being ".. Linux" is >that someone might come along and build a version with a FreeBSD kernel, >or ERoS based or other things. > >We hope to have the full trademark guideline stuff up ASAP, which I guess >is the precise version of what you need ? > > Hmmm... So, until the trademark guidelines come out, am I essentially correct in assuming that the final release will be The Fedora Project (not Fedora Linux), which will have a random red hat, as is the case now, (not called the Red Hat Logo) on the GNOME menu? So when someone asks what I am running, I can say the Fedora Project. And when they ask what's a good book to buy to get them up to snuff, I can say "The Fedora Project Bible," or "The Fedora Project Unleashed," or "The Fedora Project for Dummies?" Am I on track here? Ralston > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Mon Sep 22 23:03:16 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:03:16 -0400 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD In-Reply-To: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> References: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> Message-ID: <3F6F7FB4.8000103@insight.rr.com> Vidyut Luther wrote: > Hi, > I tried to lookup anyone else who had the same problem as me with > Severn and IEEE1394, I found the following message.. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00464.html > > My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with the > drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to work. > Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, until the > I turn the drive off again. > > I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages > updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want to > work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my music is > on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while working. > > On my 9.0 system, I could see the drive as /dev/sda and I could mount > /dev/sda1 /mnt etc, without an issue. > > I have a feeling this also has to do with my cdrom not working in Severn > as well. I have a plextor 52x32x48 CDRW, grub has the line appended to > say hdc=ide-scsi , but dmesg gives seek errors. > > But i'll work on that after I get the firewire to work. > Nobody responded to the other guy, I'm hoping someone will help me. > > I have had plenty of CDROM problems with the prior beta. One of the problems surrounded the hdx=ide-scsi addition to the kernel. Removing the additional line allowed me to burn from my writer without any problems. Here is the cdrom related excerpt from /etc/fstab. (symlinks can obscure what is really going on. See symlinks below) /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 symlinks point to below: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/scd1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 15, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu31a brw-rw---- 1 root disk 24, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu535 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Sep 22 17:20 /dev/cdwriter -> /dev/sg1 in my /boot/grub/grub.conf file. I have the following settings. I haven't tried to burn a cdrom recently. The last time I burned a cd was with hdd=ide-scsi removed from the kernel. You should be able to copy the text for your working kernel. Paste it below your present entry. Rename it to designate that no ide-scsi is there. (Such as RHL no ide-scsi in the title. Remove the ide-scsi parameter, then save the file and reboot your system into that kernel version. Then try the cdrom out and the drive. title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-20.9) root (hd1,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-20.9 ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi initrd /initrd-2.4.20-20.9.img ---- For the music drive. (My USB / IDE drive is used for the same purpose) As someone from Red Hat pointed out (bad w/ remembering names) The problem might be with the last two entries in your etc fstab file. I have a USB adapter for an IDE laptop drive. It errored out with a disk check entry. Something about USB is loaded after other programs. I changed the entry to 0, 0 and the drive mounted and did not lockup any more. This is a reply anyway. I hope it leads you in the right direction anyway. No warranties, Jim -- For every bloke who makes his mark, there's half a dozen waiting to rub it out. -- Andy Capp From res at ausics.net Mon Sep 22 23:14:19 2003 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:14:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <200309221519.43016.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309221519.43016.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 22 September 2003 15:11, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > It's sad to say, but like all the people on the world, I loved to see > > the two WTC towers going down. > > > > > > Regards, > > Thiago > > > > p.s. I'm glad that I was not born on the USA. I have culture and > > intelligence. Nobody says what I have to do. > > Please keep this kind of crap off the list. The friends/families of all > those lost in the two towers (VERY VERY many of them were NOT American > Citizens) do not appreciate such ignorant comments. I agree, I didn't know anyone involved, but I felt for the people who were, furthermore this tosser should be removed from this list. We dont need its type around here....or anywhere for that matter. -- Regards, Res Network Administrator Postmaster / Abusemster / Flamemaster http://www.ausics.net Australian Hosting Services From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Mon Sep 22 23:25:08 2003 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter Boy) Date: 23 Sep 2003 01:25:08 +0200 Subject: Critical update - Privacy policy times out - Severn 9.0.93 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064273107.3840.61.camel@ibmLaptop> Am Mon, 2003-09-22 um 22.45 schrieb Gene Ballard: > Critical update - Privacy policy times out - Severn > 9.0.93 > When I click the update button the Privacy Policy > never comes up. Same here with a fresh Severn install. I could resolve by downloading the actual up2date up2date-gnome and rhnlib from rawhide and installing it. Maybe it is another incarnation of the certification prob which had been announced here and on RHN website. Additionally, you have to choose a second channel, Severn Beta Updates (or alike)! Peter From hosting at j2solutions.net Mon Sep 22 23:28:05 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:28:05 -0700 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Monday 22 September 2003 15:48, rg wrote: > Hmmm... So, until the trademark guidelines come out, am I essentially > correct in assuming that the final release will be The Fedora Project > (not Fedora Linux), which will have a random red hat, as is the case > now, (not called the Red Hat Logo) on the GNOME menu? So when someone > asks what I am running, I can say the Fedora Project. And when they > ask what's a good book to buy to get them up to snuff, I can say "The > Fedora Project Bible," or "The Fedora Project Unleashed," or "The > Fedora Project for Dummies?" > > Am I on track here? Why not call the whole thing "Fedora Project" and then the Linux Kernel release of the Fedora Project could be called "Fedora Linux" ? And if such time arrives that a BSD kernel based release comes out, it can be "Fedora BSD"? Calling the OS "Fedora Project" will confuse customers/vendors/media to no end, making them think it's something all of it's own, not Linux based... Of course, I can just hear some people clamoring for "GNU/Fedora *"... -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org Mon Sep 22 23:30:36 2003 From: dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org (Dan Egli) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:30:36 -0600 Subject: yum settings for severn? Message-ID: <3F6F861C.7080606@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anyone got a yum.conf file they'd be willing to post that will let me move to severn? I've got YUM installed, but don't know any good yum repositories. - --- Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/b4YcxQEzeXtVwzoRAoQvAJ0RFxjoNCWHc+RXuXNRFn73nnXycgCfS5m7 QXmqRbLi+8Y6Jqd68HwNZKk= =hVGk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 22 23:39:18 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum settings for severn? In-Reply-To: <3F6F861C.7080606@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Anyone got a yum.conf file they'd be willing to post that will let me > move to severn? I've got YUM installed, but don't know any good yum > repositories. http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/severn/ give that a shot. rday From dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org Mon Sep 22 23:43:34 2003 From: dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org (Dan Egli) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:43:34 -0600 Subject: yum settings for severn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6F8926.8080209@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert P. J. Day wrote: | On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: | | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>Anyone got a yum.conf file they'd be willing to post that will let me |>move to severn? I've got YUM installed, but don't know any good yum |>repositories. | | | http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/severn/ | | give that a shot. | | rday | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list | Thanks! Any known issues about moving from RawHide to severn? - --- Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/b4kmxQEzeXtVwzoRAp6MAKC+Num+tk9Q+DmjEN97hp8UWDXKlwCeM729 fM2D4TWeJMpXh6D/JXnv4E4= =k8S3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 22 23:56:25 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum settings for severn? In-Reply-To: <3F6F8926.8080209@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: > Thanks! Any known issues about moving from RawHide to severn? in terms of what? i've been running severn since it came out, so it's certainly adequately stable. not sure what you're asking here. rday From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 23 00:22:56 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 beta) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:22:56 -0400 Subject: Ethernet 3com ... problems .. some solutions Message-ID: <3F6F9260.80505@insight.rr.com> I have been experiencing difficulties with my system that contains a 3com vortex boomerang PCI card. The first problem is with the following error dialog box from trying to initialize my card through redhat-config-network. I get the below: Determining IP information for eth0... failed; no link present. Check cable? ------------- The second problem is that I cannot start GNOME if I ran dhclient from the command line. If I run dhclient from the terminal, I get the below output. This is from within a gnome-terminal using my not before working GNOME, instead of my prior KDE. [root at rrbi jim]# dhclient bash: dhclient: command not found [root at rrbi jim]# /sbin/dhclient Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client V3.0pl2 Copyright 1995-2001 Internet Software Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP Listening on LPF/eth0/00:10:5a:14:8d:ee Sending on LPF/eth0/00:10:5a:14:8d:ee Listening on LPF/lo/ Sending on LPF/lo/ Sending on Socket/fallback DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1 bound to 192.168.1.102 -- renewal in 33196 seconds. -------- Anyway, gnome will not startup with the present check cable problem. I have to run dhclient after I get into GNOME. (This is not ideal.) Now while using the Thunderbird mailer, mozilla presents the following error message in gnome. Error launching browser window:Typerror: Componentd.classes{'mozilla.org/appshell/component/browser/instance:1'} has no properties. (the mozilla error is typed by hand for above error, may have typo. The rest was cut and pasted) From dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org Tue Sep 23 00:19:03 2003 From: dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org (Dan Egli) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:19:03 -0600 Subject: yum settings for severn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6F9177.8070209@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert P. J. Day wrote: | On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: | | |>Thanks! Any known issues about moving from RawHide to severn? | | | in terms of what? i've been running severn since it came out, so | it's certainly adequately stable. not sure what you're asking here. | | rday | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list | Mainly if there are any package conflicts between RawHide and severn. i.e. does RawHide contain packages that have a newer version than severn. - --- Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/b5F3xQEzeXtVwzoRAoHiAJ41WdTFBdnxbyfog9i/dT1gNFkKRQCeKTdG 1T7XaIhioQiPNe792Jz6kiA= =T8MN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 23 00:27:58 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 beta) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:27:58 -0400 Subject: Mozilla error without t-bird up Message-ID: <3F6F938E.5030904@insight.rr.com> When I try to log into RHN. I can click into the entry box for usernames, but the browser throws out this error. The window "Red Hat Network - Sign In - Mozilla" is not responding. Forcing this application to quit will cause you to lose any unsaved changes. When I type into the box, no test is ever entered. Jim From dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org Tue Sep 23 00:26:08 2003 From: dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org (Dan Egli) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:26:08 -0600 Subject: yum settings for severn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6F9320.1030605@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert P. J. Day wrote: | On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: | | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>Anyone got a yum.conf file they'd be willing to post that will let me |>move to severn? I've got YUM installed, but don't know any good yum |>repositories. | | | http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/severn/ | | give that a shot. | | rday | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list | maybe I'm setting yum wrong I don't know. I've never used yum before, but yum keep saying it cnanot find a file. Error: Cannot find baseurl or name for server 'os'. Skipping Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 9 - i386 - freshrpms Server: Red Hat Linux 9 - i386 - updates Here's the config [os] name=Red Hat Linux Severn - $basearch - os baseur=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/severn/i386/ [updates] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - updates baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/updates [freshrpms] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - freshrpms baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms Help?? - --- Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/b5MgxQEzeXtVwzoRApeIAKC+rDj2QjrksdJCW/hjlohSAjOV3gCfWPEn PGk27KS/IOitO6jY2W1yVM4= =s2tq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Sep 23 00:37:21 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: yum settings for severn? In-Reply-To: <3F6F9320.1030605@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > | On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: > | > | > |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > |>Hash: SHA1 > |> > |>Anyone got a yum.conf file they'd be willing to post that will let me > |>move to severn? I've got YUM installed, but don't know any good yum > |>repositories. > | > | > | http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/severn/ > | > | give that a shot. > | > | rday > | > | > | -- > | fedora-test-list mailing list > | fedora-test-list at redhat.com > | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > | > maybe I'm setting yum wrong I don't know. I've never used yum before, > but yum keep saying it cnanot find a file. > > Error: Cannot find baseurl or name for server 'os'. Skipping > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux 9 - i386 - freshrpms > Server: Red Hat Linux 9 - i386 - updates > > > Here's the config > [os] > name=Red Hat Linux Severn - $basearch - os > baseur=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/severn/i386/ ^^^^^^^ typo or transcription error? rday From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 23 00:33:22 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:33:22 -0500 Subject: yum settings for severn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6F94D2.9060109@lopht.net> AFAICT, RawHide is where you go if you want to keep pace with updates to Severn, so going from RawHide to Severn will downgrade a bunch of packages. Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Dan Egli wrote: > > >>Thanks! Any known issues about moving from RawHide to severn? > > > in terms of what? i've been running severn since it came out, so > it's certainly adequately stable. not sure what you're asking here. > > rday > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 23 00:55:29 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 beta) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:55:29 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200309222154.h8MLs7h08802@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064268671.6486.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F6F9A01.1000306@insight.rr.com> Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: >Em Seg, 2003-09-22 ?s 18:54, Alan Cox escreveu: > > >>Fedora being US based is not a solution and was not a solution for those >>non US citizens entitled to use some things that US citizens are forbidden. >>Its no different to everything else - multiregion DVD players are the norm >>except in the USA, but that doesn't mean US citizens can safely import >>them or that the ability to import them 'solves the problem' >> >>For non US citizens solving the problem means solving it outside the USA >>without US companies help. >> >> > >It's very ironic. The country that claims to be "free", where people >**think** that have freedom to do anything they want, can't use a >inofensive DVD disc made on another region, or can't listen to MP3 >music. > > > The problem doesn't lie in the wake of freedom for mp3 and DVD playing. The problem lies in the "Art" of making a buck from an idea or a technology. These ideal for paying welfare to someone's thoughts or works well beyond the actual worth if the idea or the tecnology is simply called greed and intellectual property. You can look at the richest people in america and see that most of them were college dropouts. But they still claim intellectual property. The masses are set on commercialism and go along with the flow that corporatism has levereged against the user that demands a free operating system. This is where ogg format. the Linux kernel, the GPL licensing and the forward movement of Linux is here for. SCO and other companies that demand money for ideas are the trouble in our mesh. Intelligence and Freedom are very important and are being infringed upon. But like walking in a "bad neighborhood" we have to watch out for the ones that take money from others by force. Linux and the community are trying to stay out of the "bad neighborhoods". We all have our countries of origin and all have different laws. Of course this list is not to discuss the political differences, just the free operating system for computers. Jim From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Sep 23 01:26:00 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:26:00 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F6F9A01.1000306@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c38171$a56038a0$196d9e89@pegasus> I realize this is tall order, but I think taking a page out of Microsoft book could be a good idea here. I use both Windows and Linux. I absolutely hate Windows Media Player, and would use an open source Media player in a flash. I tried Zinf, good but lacks some important features. Its cross platform too, so that is good. (By the way, any chances of including that in Fedora?). If Fedora/redhat could sponsor the making/porting of a very good player for Windows and Linux, People could get used to vorbis if it is used by default, and with all the right messages everywhere, we could encourage people to use ogg. Once ogg becomes entrenched, i.e, hardware companies are bringing out all their players with vorbis support, Microsoft wil have no choice but to ship vorbis. It is BSD licensed like the TCP/IP stack, so no problem. This would also be a good way to get a good player on Linux too. Sorry, but Mplayer, Xine et al are not good. They work well, but are not good. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim - 815 beta Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:55 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: >Em Seg, 2003-09-22 ?s 18:54, Alan Cox escreveu: > > >>Fedora being US based is not a solution and was not a solution for those >>non US citizens entitled to use some things that US citizens are forbidden. >>Its no different to everything else - multiregion DVD players are the norm >>except in the USA, but that doesn't mean US citizens can safely import >>them or that the ability to import them 'solves the problem' >> >>For non US citizens solving the problem means solving it outside the USA >>without US companies help. >> >> > >It's very ironic. The country that claims to be "free", where people >**think** that have freedom to do anything they want, can't use a >inofensive DVD disc made on another region, or can't listen to MP3 >music. > > > The problem doesn't lie in the wake of freedom for mp3 and DVD playing. The problem lies in the "Art" of making a buck from an idea or a technology. These ideal for paying welfare to someone's thoughts or works well beyond the actual worth if the idea or the tecnology is simply called greed and intellectual property. You can look at the richest people in america and see that most of them were college dropouts. But they still claim intellectual property. The masses are set on commercialism and go along with the flow that corporatism has levereged against the user that demands a free operating system. This is where ogg format. the Linux kernel, the GPL licensing and the forward movement of Linux is here for. SCO and other companies that demand money for ideas are the trouble in our mesh. Intelligence and Freedom are very important and are being infringed upon. But like walking in a "bad neighborhood" we have to watch out for the ones that take money from others by force. Linux and the community are trying to stay out of the "bad neighborhoods". We all have our countries of origin and all have different laws. Of course this list is not to discuss the political differences, just the free operating system for computers. Jim -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 01:29:34 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:29:34 +0900 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> This naming thing is all too problematic. What are you guys thinking? Is this an end-user distro or not? Is it even a distro? Does it sound like one? JK, below, makes a good point. If you call it something as seemingly abstract on the end user's end as xxx project, the average joe looking for a Linux distro is likely to pass right over it. If said 'joe' does not, and goes on to install it, he or she is most likely going to call it Fedora Linux anyway. This abstraction in regard to naming because of the possibility of a future BSD based release is beyond the average user - the distinction is one for developers. Also, the naming of the downloadable distro as Fedora Core, sounds more like a naming for the kernel to the average joe; it does not sound like a full distro. Again, this distinction seems more aimed at developers than end users. This points to a continuous failing in the Linux community at large - while it pays lip service to end users, it is still too developer oriented. Call it geek-oriented if you like, but the average end user who puts Linux on his or her desktop is not interested in technical nuances and possible future BSD releases - the average user doesn't even know or care what BSD is. Also, if you guys are masking the Red Hat heritage of the 'distro', how is the average person supposed to even know that the logical follow up to RH9 is Fedora Project? Or is it Fedora Core? Or maybe Fedora Coupe deVille. RG Jesse Keating wrote: >On Monday 22 September 2003 15:48, rg wrote: > > >>Hmmm... So, until the trademark guidelines come out, am I essentially >>correct in assuming that the final release will be The Fedora Project >>(not Fedora Linux), which will have a random red hat, as is the case >>now, (not called the Red Hat Logo) on the GNOME menu? So when someone >>asks what I am running, I can say the Fedora Project. And when they >>ask what's a good book to buy to get them up to snuff, I can say "The >>Fedora Project Bible," or "The Fedora Project Unleashed," or "The >>Fedora Project for Dummies?" >> >>Am I on track here? >> >> > >Why not call the whole thing "Fedora Project" and then the Linux Kernel >release of the Fedora Project could be called "Fedora Linux" ? And if >such time arrives that a BSD kernel based release comes out, it can be >"Fedora BSD"? Calling the OS "Fedora Project" will confuse >customers/vendors/media to no end, making them think it's something all >of it's own, not Linux based... > >Of course, I can just hear some people clamoring for "GNU/Fedora *"... > > > From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 23 02:06:23 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:06:23 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:29:34 +0900, rg wrote: > Also, if you guys are masking the Red Hat heritage of the 'distro', how > is the average person supposed to even know that the logical follow up > to RH9 is Fedora Project? As you can imagine, a press release from Red Hat will announce that separately when "Cambridge" is ready. http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ Some users will look for Red Hat Linux 9.1 or 10 or whatever and will learn that the successor of Red Hat Linux 9 is released with a different name. Some will learn about the Fedora Project for the first time. > Or is it Fedora Core? Or maybe Fedora Coupe deVille. One thing for sure, the community will call it "Fedora", because hardly anyone will distinguish between the core distribution and "Fedora Extras" type of add-on packages. http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/terminology.html http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/roadmap/ Really many of the questions that have come up on the mailing-lists are answered somewhere on: http://fedora.redhat.com - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/b6qf0iMVcrivHFQRAnE0AJ9gaHBok17g5E//I9NXtt33Yjl2LQCdGzuJ NcSy59oR7M0P3SDDb5gtB+U= =831Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kpyau at ec-partners.com Tue Sep 23 02:11:14 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:11:14 +0800 Subject: Password Server - Which one ? Message-ID: <3F6FABC2.50308@ec-partners.com> I was experiencing using smbpassword and yppassword as to centralize "one username and one password" in any workstations any server. but i just wonder, which is commonly use? Thanks folks.. From dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org Tue Sep 23 02:13:45 2003 From: dan at shortcircuit.dyndns.org (Dan Egli) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:13:45 -0600 Subject: Password Server - Which one ? In-Reply-To: <3F6FABC2.50308@ec-partners.com> References: <3F6FABC2.50308@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <3F6FAC59.2060009@shortcircuit.dyndns.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Yau wrote: | I was experiencing using smbpassword and yppassword as to centralize | "one username and one password" in any workstations any server. | | but i just wonder, which is commonly use? | Thanks folks.. | | | -- | fedora-test-list mailing list | fedora-test-list at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list | You want yppassword. smbpassword is only for the Samba system. Non-samba services cannot read information it produces. - --- Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/b6xYxQEzeXtVwzoRArjUAJ438cxx++76PcnJQ+ORaLUkcYYvzACgn7Fz FkMHjmOzHQYO6fAJanPLqCM= =emqA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Sep 23 02:19:14 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:19:14 -0400 Subject: MS USB InteliMouse goes to sleep? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309222219.14918.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 22, 2003 04:38 pm, Tommy McNeely Tommy McNeely wrote: > Recently, after some unknown period of idle time, my mouse appears to > go to sleep... I can still see a faint red light underneath, like it > does when its still, but clicks dont work and it doesnt move either... > I have to unplug it and plug it back in for the OS to detect and then > it ligts up normally and works. (note that also the light at the bottom > on the top (hard to explain) goes dark when it goes to sleep... not > sure if this is happening to anyone else, or if yet another crappy > microsoft product is just making my life difficult :) Hang on a moment! ... lately I've been having a similar problem with my Logitech (USB) optical wheel mouse. There are times the pointer would freeze, or I would not be able to do anything with mouse clicks, *or* the wheel... The only workaround is for me to uplug it from the hub, and then plug it in again. I hadn't mentioned this before, as I had intended to post a *query* to the list asking if anyone would think the mouse was failing, but now that I see your message I'm not alone with this problem. The latest patches, etc , have been applied via the beta channel and up2date. Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp Tue Sep 23 02:31:48 2003 From: grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp (rg2) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:31:48 +0900 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> OK, you missed some of my points, especially the Linux bit (what happens in the future if there is a Linux and BSD version?), but... Anyway, to the meat of the matter: is it correct-legal-acceptable in printed materials (books, magazines, online articles etc) then, to refer to what the user has or is putting on his or her machine, the Fedora Project distro, as just Fedora. For example, "Once you have installed Fedora, you can....," "Fedora allows you to.....," "If you are new to Fedora, you will find..." and so on. Red Hat seemed fussy on this point in the past, insisting, as I recall, that Red Hat be referred to as Red Hat Linux Operating System or, at least, Red Hat Linux, rather than Red Hat. And, getting back to that icon of a hat on the GNOME menu that just happens to be a red hat, not a Red Hat, is it going to stay? Don't want to waste my effort on a slew of new screenshots. And also.... the screenshots on some of your pages, show the traditional Bluecurve window borders, but the window borders in the latest Rawhide releases are quite different. WHich goes on to the new Fedora? The Rawhide version? Ralston Michael Schwendt wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:29:34 +0900, rg wrote: > > > >>Also, if you guys are masking the Red Hat heritage of the 'distro', how >>is the average person supposed to even know that the logical follow up >>to RH9 is Fedora Project? >> >> > >As you can imagine, a press release from Red Hat will announce that >separately when "Cambridge" is ready. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ > >Some users will look for Red Hat Linux 9.1 or 10 or whatever and will >learn that the successor of Red Hat Linux 9 is released with a >different name. Some will learn about the Fedora Project for the first >time. > > > >>Or is it Fedora Core? Or maybe Fedora Coupe deVille. >> >> > >One thing for sure, the community will call it "Fedora", because hardly >anyone will distinguish between the core distribution and "Fedora >Extras" type of add-on packages. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/terminology.html > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/roadmap/ > >Really many of the questions that have come up on the mailing-lists >are answered somewhere on: > > http://fedora.redhat.com > >- -- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQE/b6qf0iMVcrivHFQRAnE0AJ9gaHBok17g5E//I9NXtt33Yjl2LQCdGzuJ >NcSy59oR7M0P3SDDb5gtB+U= >=831Y >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > From elwoo at videotron.ca Tue Sep 23 02:47:42 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:47:42 -0400 Subject: Install Additional packages - Severn 9.0.93 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309222247.42154.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 22, 2003 04:45 pm, Gene Ballard Gene Ballard wrote: > Tried to install additional packages, SAMBA and VNC > etc... > Severn ask me to put CD 1 in so I did... Mounted the > CD and press OK but it doesn't see the CD... keeps > asking me to put it in. See this bug and related information: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100445 > > Do these bugs get reported to Bugzilla or do I have > to report them again to Bugzilla? > > I didn't expect Severn to have so many bugs... I set > up a system for my wife to email, chat and word > process but I think I'll be better off using Shrike. Beta code is expected to have bugs. By installing and using it, you accept that it's AYOR... > Can I downgrade to Shrike or do I have to do a clean > install? A clean install would be indicated. Cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Tue Sep 23 02:48:48 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:48:48 -0400 Subject: cross-platform software - ogg push (was freedom ...yes or no) In-Reply-To: <000001c38171$a56038a0$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <000001c38171$a56038a0$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <3F6FB490.3020809@insight.rr.com> Zinf is a good program. There is another one that is similar that is called freemp3player. It works great for windows also. Some features of zinf are more decent than what xmms offers. A program like zinf for linux would be a decent program to have for Linux. I tried to get some music interest friends interested in ogg format. Most of them like mp3, since it is familiar to them and does about the same job. Windows users like the ability to make compilation discs from their collected mp3s. There is not a lot of cd burning programs that surround the windows environment. Adding this capability to be common for windows users might aid in the adoption of ogg for the large portion of users. I like having the ability to rip either ogg or mp3 formatted files to discs for compilation cds. I'm glad that there are readily available and efficient ways to do it on Linux. Selling ogg and pushing Linux in the same breath seems to be counterproductive on my ventures. Even though free were used for both technologies. All of the windows based "free" software even makes it a harder sell. Jim Maynard Kuona wrote: > I realize this is tall order, but I think taking a page out of Microsoft > book could be a good idea here. I use both Windows and Linux. I > absolutely hate Windows Media Player, and would use an open source Media > player in a flash. I tried Zinf, good but lacks some important features. > Its cross platform too, so that is good. (By the way, any chances of > including that in Fedora?). If Fedora/redhat could sponsor the > making/porting of a very good player for Windows and Linux, People could > get used to vorbis if it is used by default, and with all the right > messages everywhere, we could encourage people to use ogg. Once ogg > becomes entrenched, i.e, hardware companies are bringing out all their > players with vorbis support, Microsoft wil have no choice but to ship > vorbis. It is BSD licensed like the TCP/IP stack, so no problem. > > This would also be a good way to get a good player on Linux too. Sorry, > but Mplayer, Xine et al are not good. They work well, but are not good. > -- Is it possible that software is not like anything else, that it is meant to be discarded: that the whole point is to always see it as a soap bubble? From benhsu at dslextreme.com Tue Sep 23 03:11:48 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:11:48 -0700 Subject: up2date vs rawhide vs ISOs Message-ID: <1064286708.2882.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi I have some questions about the new distribution model. With the new development model, is "up2date" the recommended way to get new software? I am somewhat concerned about setting "up2date" to run as a cron job and waking up to find my system nuked. Should I back up my system before running "up2date"? May I assume the software in the up2date channel has gone through some minimum screening for howlers like deleting all your mail? Or would it be better for me to wait for the new ISOs? I imagine from time to time a change to (I'm guessing here) gcc or libc may require the whole distro to be reinstalled. If this is true, how will it be handled? Thanks! From seyman at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 23 03:19:14 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:19:14 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <000001c38171$a56038a0$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <3F6F9A01.1000306@insight.rr.com> <000001c38171$a56038a0$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 03:26:00AM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > This would also be a good way to get a good player on Linux too. Sorry, > but Mplayer, Xine et al are not good. They work well, but are not good. Out of curiosity, what does "work well, but are not good" mean? Emmanuel From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Sep 23 03:31:59 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:31:59 -0400 Subject: "Licensed" codes In-Reply-To: <20030922183614.24748.25938.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030922183614.24748.25938.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6FBEAF.1080701@ispaceonline.org> >> Killing off such a step forward for Red Hat users with a vague "I'm >> sure there will be ..." seems short-sighted and/or selfish (of Red >> Hat). > Well, to put it a different way, I personally feel (warning: Not > Speaking for Red Hat), that it's better for the success of open source > and Red Hat for Red Hat not to be sued into oblivion. :) I may be > biased, though. > And, from a legal standpoint, Red Hat just can't be providing such > software. Everytime I've seen a reponse like this, I've sat here and wondered why it's always assumed that RedHat has to provide these for free. I think it would be a great product offering if RedHat could get together perhaps with the developers of products like mplayer, xine, or whatever and license the codecs for use with these programs. Now I know what you're saying. The licensing of these codecs doesn't come cheap. So we now offer a Multimedia CD for sale from RedHat's website which after X number are sold would re-coup the cost of licensing the codecs. In addition, to stay valid, RedHat doesn't release the codec source code on this CD. I'd be more than happy to pay for something like this and I'm sure many of the rest of us would as well so long as the price was kept reasonable. From yinyang at eburg.com Tue Sep 23 04:01:09 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:01:09 -0700 Subject: "Licensed" codes In-Reply-To: <3F6FBEAF.1080701@ispaceonline.org> References: <20030922183614.24748.25938.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F6FBEAF.1080701@ispaceonline.org> Message-ID: <3F6FC585.2060402@eburg.com> Mark Hoover wrote: > > Everytime I've seen a reponse like this, I've sat here and wondered why > it's always assumed that RedHat has to provide these for free. I think > it would be a great product offering if RedHat could get together > perhaps with the developers of products like mplayer, xine, or whatever > and license the codecs for use with these programs. The problem is not that Red Hat would have to provide them for free. The problem is that the applications you mention are all licensed under the GPL, and that license is fairly stubbornly opposed to any additional restrictions beyond those it describes. So, in order to provide those applications with RHL, you'd have to achieve one of two things: 1) Convince all of the contributors for each of those applications that the software should be released under a different license, such as the BSD license, and then pay for the patent license for the codecs. 2) Negotiate a nonexclusive, transferable, unlimited license for those works and all derivatives. I think the latter is right out, considering that if a patent holder granted such a license, they'd never receive another dime of licensing income. The former is also extremely unlikely, as the authors of some of those bits of software have stated their positions, and don't sound like they'd agree to a non-GPL licensed distribution of their software. From nu1sg at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 04:11:43 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux freezes when syncing to Handspring Visor Message-ID: <20030923041143.7538.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> Good evening, everytime I try to sync (usb) to Evolution 1.4 redhat Pukes (Yes, I believe this is a technical term!). X freezes, everything freezes. I can't even ctr-alt-delete. The Caps lock and Scroll lock LEDs blink at me; reassuring me that all is wrong. Have to press reset. Weird thing is, if I use kpilot or jpilot it works fine. I am running 2.4.22-1.2051.nptl. - Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pmatilai at welho.com Tue Sep 23 04:36:36 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: 23 Sep 2003 07:36:36 +0300 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064291796.3900.23.camel@chip.ath.cx> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 01:32, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Randall J. Parr wrote: > > > I'm frustrated. It seems every time we start to get close to solid, > > useable, way to build/expand/maintain a full-featured Red Hat > > workstation/desktop it is snatched away. > > I understand the Fedora people have their build system > software published, so anybody can easily create a 3rd > party repository of packages ... Yes and us original fedora.us people have planned for this thing beforehand - there *will* be a third party repository carrying the stuff that was removed from fedora.us, maintained by non-US folks and under a different name which will be kept 100% compatible with what comes out of this new merged Fedora Project. - Panu - From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 04:38:00 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:38:00 +0900 Subject: Naming?#!??? In-Reply-To: <1064291796.3900.23.camel@chip.ath.cx> References: <1064291796.3900.23.camel@chip.ath.cx> Message-ID: <3F6FCE28.7080401@tuins.ac.jp> This naming thing is driving me crazy. In terms of the final product, not the present beta, what is this thing that is installed on the computer going to be called? Can it just be referred to as Fedora? I mean, I don't understand (call me dense if you like - or even if you don't) if Fedora Project is this beta process or the actual distro name. Or is the actual distro called Fedora Core. How does one refer to the final disto in print? This is a fair question, and an important one, I'd say, as there are going to be loads of sites up within days making reference to it. Not knowing is certainly holding me back. And if it is no longer Red Hat Linux, I assume that means we can expect changes to the Login Screen (which at present says "Red Hat Linux") and the various installation screens. Who can I, you, or anyone ask for the definitive answer? Ooooooh, pretty please.... don't be coy with such basic info.... Ralston From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 23 04:56:30 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Isabel - Re: Sept. 15th Announcement? In-Reply-To: <20030922121238.B31271@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: >On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:30:09AM -0400, MJang wrote: >> Dear Michael, >> >> Here's hoping that everyone at Red Hat, and their families and homes, are safe and secure. I think we all hope that if you've lost >> power and Internet access, that it comes back soon. (Nearly 700,000 homes lost power in North Carolina.) > >Thank you for your kind wishes; I believe that all Red Hatters and >families are safe and sound. > >> The efforts that you made to update the Website, to keep us updated with information, I think, were nothing short of heroic. > >The truly heroic efforts were on the part of our IS team making the changes >while working nearly 24x7 to make sure that we were very, very well prepared >for Isabel. Yeah IS!!! They have now fought two hurricanes and come out pretty darn well. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From notting at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 05:08:33 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:08:33 -0400 Subject: Naming?#!??? In-Reply-To: <3F6FCE28.7080401@tuins.ac.jp>; from grant@tuins.ac.jp on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 01:38:00PM +0900 References: <1064291796.3900.23.camel@chip.ath.cx> <3F6FCE28.7080401@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030923010833.A25938@devserv.devel.redhat.com> rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > This naming thing is driving me crazy. In terms of the final product, > not the present beta, what is this thing that is installed on the > computer going to be called? Fedora Core. > And if it is no longer Red Hat Linux, I assume that means we can expect > changes to the Login Screen (which at present says "Red Hat Linux") and > the various installation screens. Correct. Bill From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 23 05:18:16 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:18:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core & apt. Message-ID: <3F6FD798.9080204@lopht.net> So, Fedora is/was an apt repository (yum too but I'm focusing on apt here). I noticed in Michael Johnson's announcement of the whole name change that up2date now supports apt repositories. Is Fedora Core going to 'switch' to up2date? Or will we soon be seeing the first ever instance of a Red Hat distro (which won't actually be called a Red Hat distro) that can be apt-based? Like, Fedora Core will be an actual distribution I can install on an empty machine, right? So will I be able to install it to use apt? This whole thing is making my head spin. ps - I think up2date/RHN is a really good tool, addressing many of the things apt fans say RPM lacks (even though it doesn't make sense to compare apt to rpm, but that's a debate for another day). From stevewa at spiritone.com Tue Sep 23 05:25:56 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:25:56 -0700 Subject: more up2date problems Message-ID: <3F6FD964.4010004@spiritone.com> I'm seeing the following error when trying to update my Severn system using up2date. Running the latest Rawhide version as well as the previous updates... The behavior is that up2date will download a few RPM headers then fail. The header-download progress bar remains on screen but the larger screen advances to the "packages to be skipped" step. Here's the traceback from the stderr output: [root at pent4 tmp]# up2date Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1359, in onChannelsPageNext self.pkgList = self.pList.getPackagesToInstall() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 486, in getPackagesToInstall result = self.__skipPackages(result) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 515, in __skipPackages packageList = self.__skipFiles(packageList) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 536, in __skipFiles ignoreMsgCallback = self.ignoreMsgCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 575, in buildHeaderList hdr = headerList[pkg] File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/headers.py", line 44, in __getitem__ self.__retrievePackage(item) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/headers.py", line 49, in __retrievePackage hdr, sourceType = rpcServer.doCall(self.repos.getHeader, item) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 111, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 37, in getHeader return self.handlers[channel['type']].getHeader(pkg, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 210, in getHeader header = source.getHeader(pkg, progressCallback = progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/up2dateRepo.py", line 86, in getHeader fd = self.s.getPackageHeader(channel, filename) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhn/rpclib.py", line 555, in __call__ result = self._send(self._name, args) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhn/rpclib.py", line 302, in _request verbose=self._verbose File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhn/transports.py", line 167, in request headers, fd = req.send_http(host, handler) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhn/transports.py", line 688, in send_http headers=self.headers) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/httplib.py", line 701, in request self._send_request(method, url, body, headers) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/httplib.py", line 723, in _send_request self.endheaders() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/httplib.py", line 695, in endheaders self._send_output() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/httplib.py", line 581, in _send_output self.send(msg) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/httplib.py", line 560, in send self.sock.sendall(str) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhn/SSL.py", line 191, in write sent = self._connection.send(data) SSL.Error: [('SSL routines', 'SSL3_READ_BYTES', 'tlsv1 alert decrypt error'), ('SSL routines', 'SSL23_WRITE', 'ssl handshake failure')] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1438, in onSkippedPagePrepare maxlength = max(map(lambda x: len(x[0][0]), self.skipPkgList)) * 8 ValueError: min() or max() arg is an empty sequence [root at pent4 tmp]# Am I missing something? From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 05:25:36 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:25:36 +0900 Subject: Naming?#!??? In-Reply-To: <20030923010833.A25938@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064291796.3900.23.camel@chip.ath.cx> <3F6FCE28.7080401@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923010833.A25938@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F6FD950.5060903@tuins.ac.jp> Thanks Bill, I guess I'm too set in my ways to get used to calling a Linux distro "xxxxx Core." But if that is that, that is that. BUT please clarify this one point.... If I am writing a set of directions, is it right to say, "The Fedora Core Installation screens," "Fedora Core users," "If you are switching from Mandrake Linux to Fedora Core...." and so on? RG Also, I assume that >rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > > >>This naming thing is driving me crazy. In terms of the final product, >>not the present beta, what is this thing that is installed on the >>computer going to be called? >> >> > >Fedora Core. > > > >>And if it is no longer Red Hat Linux, I assume that means we can expect >>changes to the Login Screen (which at present says "Red Hat Linux") and >>the various installation screens. >> >> > >Correct. > >Bill > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From pmatilai at welho.com Tue Sep 23 05:37:43 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:37:43 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core & apt. In-Reply-To: <3F6FD798.9080204@lopht.net> References: <3F6FD798.9080204@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1064295463.3f6fdc27a4599@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Justin Georgeson : > So, Fedora is/was an apt repository (yum too but I'm focusing on apt > here). I noticed in Michael Johnson's announcement of the whole name > change that up2date now supports apt repositories. Is Fedora Core going > to 'switch' to up2date? Or will we soon be seeing the first ever > instance of a Red Hat distro (which won't actually be called a Red Hat > distro) that can be apt-based? Hardly "apt-based", a more appropriate term would be "apt-enabled". Whether apt itself appears in Fedora Core is unknown but possible, however expect to find it in Fedora Extras (once the projects are really merged - in the meanwhile apt is available from fedora.us). > Like, Fedora Core will be an actual > distribution I can install on an empty machine, right? So will I be able > to install it to use apt? This whole thing is making my head spin. Fedora Core will be an actual distribution you install on an empty machine, -- - Panu - From mcolligan at ma.rr.com Tue Sep 23 05:41:48 2003 From: mcolligan at ma.rr.com (Michael Colligan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:41:48 -0500 Subject: Naming?#!??? In-Reply-To: <3F6FD950.5060903@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1064291796.3900.23.camel@chip.ath.cx> <3F6FCE28.7080401@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923010833.A25938@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6FD950.5060903@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1064295708.3945.18.camel@localhost> It is my best guess that eventually it will be known as "Fedora Linux". Where you will have "Fedora Core" with extras. Don't think "Core" will catch on although I do understand the implications and direction. Michael Colligan From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 23 05:49:32 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Fedora Core & apt. In-Reply-To: <3F6FD798.9080204@lopht.net> Message-ID: The rumour is that they will be running on a cluster of Current servers with yum and apt repositories via ftp. On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: >So, Fedora is/was an apt repository (yum too but I'm focusing on apt >here). I noticed in Michael Johnson's announcement of the whole name >change that up2date now supports apt repositories. Is Fedora Core going >to 'switch' to up2date? Or will we soon be seeing the first ever >instance of a Red Hat distro (which won't actually be called a Red Hat -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 05:39:54 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:39:54 +0900 Subject: Naming?#!??? In-Reply-To: <1064295708.3945.18.camel@localhost> References: <1064291796.3900.23.camel@chip.ath.cx> <3F6FCE28.7080401@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923010833.A25938@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6FD950.5060903@tuins.ac.jp> <1064295708.3945.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3F6FDCAA.4060905@tuins.ac.jp> Yes, I can't imagine anything called 'core' catching on. The idea that a BSD based system might eventually emerge seems to encourage the present distro to be called "Fedora Linux" and then, if there is, for example, a BSD version in the future, that would be "Fedora BSD". That seems logical. Core is not appealing to the general public - sounds offputting - something that would just scare people away - like suddenly insisting on calling an automobile a "human life form transportation device." Who's going to go for that?! I guess, the safest thing to do is just refer to the distro as "Fedora" so as not to terrify newbies. RG Michael Colligan wrote: >It is my best guess that eventually it will be known as "Fedora Linux". >Where you will have "Fedora Core" with extras. Don't think "Core" will >catch on although I do understand the implications and direction. > >Michael Colligan > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From benhsu at dslextreme.com Tue Sep 23 06:06:39 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:06:39 -0700 Subject: abiword dies immediately Message-ID: <1064297198.5349.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi I just up2date'd my abiword to 2.0.0-2, when I try to start it I get the small logo startup screen (what is the technical name for that?), then the abiword application screen comes up for a split second. The application screen looks like its "bigger" than my desktop. Then it exits with the error message: The program 'AbiWord' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. (Details: serial 2556 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) Has anyone seen this? My abiword is 2.0.0-2, my XFree86 is 4.3.0-17. From kpyau at ec-partners.com Tue Sep 23 06:06:31 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:06:31 +0800 Subject: DNS control Message-ID: <3F6FE2E7.1020300@ec-partners.com> hi folks : I have a dns up in my redhat 8.0 linux box. -running bind-9.2.1-9. -manually assign IP actually i provide the service for my LAN user. in network 192.168.42.x subnet mask 255.255.255.0 what i wanted to do is, Only user and IP listed in the /var/named/named.xxx can do the query from their machine to my linux box then only out to the internet. So that user cannot simply assign their own ip from the range 192.168.42.x as they like without informing the administrator. help me folks ! Thanks From kpyau at ec-partners.com Tue Sep 23 06:09:27 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:09:27 +0800 Subject: Problems with USB keychain drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6FE397.9000207@ec-partners.com> i tried it but no problem... how come? H. Wade Minter wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I opened Bug 104852 about this, but figured I'd ask here too. > > I've got a USB keychain drive (SanDisk Cruzer Mini 128MB), and it works > fine on my Mac, and on the WinXP side of the dual-boot Dell I use at work. > But on the Severn side of the Dell, it doesn't work. > > The drive appears to get recognized fine as /dev/sda, but then it hangs > and eventually gets: > > Sep 22 16:15:43 localhost kernel: hub.c: USB device not accepting new > address (error=-71) > Sep 22 16:15:48 localhost kernel: usb-storage: host_reset() requested but > not implemented > Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: scsi: device set offline - command error > recover failed: host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 > Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: SCSI error: host 1 id 0 lun 0 return > code = 6050000 > Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: ^ISense class 0, sense error 0, extended > sense 0 > Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 > Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 > Sep 22 16:15:58 localhost kernel: unable to read partition table > > Anyone on the list have any ideas? > > - --Wade > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) > > iD8DBQE/b16Oo4DwsyRGDscRAgkyAKCQXdWRWh5QldC4Z+7Nxl3sqG02UwCgpxJ9 > Wsi+Pa+ATknsZ9MNyxeZz70= > =kYBh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From mutk at iprimus.com.au Tue Sep 23 07:08:51 2003 From: mutk at iprimus.com.au (Michael Kearey) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:08:51 +1000 Subject: DNS control In-Reply-To: <3F6FE2E7.1020300@ec-partners.com> References: <3F6FE2E7.1020300@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <3F6FF183.1040403@iprimus.com.au> Nicholas Yau wrote: > hi folks : > I have a dns up in my redhat 8.0 linux box. > > -running bind-9.2.1-9. > -manually assign IP > > actually i provide the service for my LAN user. > in network 192.168.42.x subnet mask 255.255.255.0 > > what i wanted to do is, > Only user and IP listed in the /var/named/named.xxx > can do the query from their machine to my linux box then > only out to the internet. > > > So that user cannot simply assign their own ip from the range > 192.168.42.x as they like without informing the administrator. > > > help me folks ! I am quite sure this question should not belong here in redhat-beta or in fedora-test-list ANyway, once we figure out a good place to ask this question I will have a go answering it. Read www.redhat.com Redhat guides, they still have excellent reference on this sort of thing.. I have done this in /etc/named.conf: Add a acl not-welcome acl not-welcome { !192.168.0.0/24; }; Add a welcome acl: acl welcome { 192.168.0.0/24; 127.0.0.1; }; Then in options put this: options { .., .., blackhole { not-welcome; }; allow-query { welcome; }; allow-recursion { welcome; }; .., .., }; Test it out to see if it works for you. You can specify a list of IP's or a range in CIDR form as far as I know. 'man named.conf' also gives details on what you can do. Cheers, Michael From vuhung16duong at yahoo.co.jp Tue Sep 23 07:14:58 2003 From: vuhung16duong at yahoo.co.jp (Bit Takeshi) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:14:58 +0900 (JST) Subject: servern 9.0.93 kernel Message-ID: <20030923071458.92145.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.co.jp> Hello all, I am sorry if it is already reported but servern 9.0.93.kernel was built without ntfs.o. Furthermore, by default, I can not rebuild the kernel-source*rpm by #cd /usr/src/linux-2.4 #make mrproper #make menuconfig ( use default .config) #make bzImage -> OK #make modules -> error in i2o( sorry, I did not note the error msgs) regards Hung Vu Takeshi's small space: http://www.fedu.uec.ac.jp/~vuhung/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/ From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 23 08:24:23 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:24:23 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> Message-ID: <20030923102423.3a1591fd.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:31:48 +0900, rg2 wrote: > OK, you missed some of my points, especially the Linux bit (what happens > in the future if there is a Linux and BSD version?), but... Don't expect me to quote everything you've written. I only quote and reply to what I find relevant. Most of the questions you've raised could be answered with "just wait and see". > Anyway, to the meat of the matter: is it correct-legal-acceptable in > printed materials (books, magazines, online articles etc) then, to refer > to what the user has or is putting on his or her machine, the Fedora > Project distro, as just Fedora. With regard to Fedora trademark issues, the FAQ mentions that Fedora Project trademark rules will be provided before the first release. > For example, "Once you have installed > Fedora, you can....," "Fedora allows you to.....," "If you are new to > Fedora, you will find..." and so on. It is a matter of taste whether you call a product by its full name. I would prefer the full name wherever it is necessary to avoid ambiguities. With The Fedora Project, often the short-form "Fedora" will be enough when referring to the project's products as a whole. > Red Hat seemed fussy on this point > in the past, insisting, as I recall, that Red Hat be referred to as Red > Hat Linux Operating System or, at least, Red Hat Linux, rather than Red > Hat. That is a completely different thing. "Red Hat" is the name of the company. "Red Hat Linux" is the name of one of its products. You would never refer to installing "Microsoft" either. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/cAM30iMVcrivHFQRAuouAJjvY3BCpubyPwRVzyaSHNOvTFi0AJ9Q9ICF oFrB8ZbG6QFvrMu58ab65w== =gPom -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From list at wolfix.com Mon Sep 22 16:41:27 2003 From: list at wolfix.com (Gene Ballard) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:41:27 -0500 Subject: Critical update - Privacy policy times out - Severn 9.0.93 Message-ID: Critical update - Privacy policy times out - Severn 9.0.93 When I click the update button the Privacy Policy never comes up. Respectfully, Gene From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Sep 23 09:13:56 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:13:56 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> Message-ID: <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but they are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. Xine's UI is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration into the system (KDE/GNOME). They do have frontends for KDE/GNOME, but these are usually half baked, and imcomplete. I think there is more to a media player than just playing video's and mp3s. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Emmanuel Seyman Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:19 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 03:26:00AM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > This would also be a good way to get a good player on Linux too. Sorry, > but Mplayer, Xine et al are not good. They work well, but are not good. Out of curiosity, what does "work well, but are not good" mean? Emmanuel -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Sep 23 09:17:44 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:17:44 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030923111744.68cb669f.matthias@rpmforge.net> Bill Nottingham wrote : > > Does this mean that we will no longer be able to go to Fedora to pickup > > the MP3, mplayer, etc. packages which have not been included in recent > > Red Hat releases because of potential licensing problems. > > Correct. > > While I can't speak for certain, I'm sure there will be third > party repository maintainers willing to host such software. You're saying that as if it hadn't ever existed outside of fedora.us, ouch, really ouch :-( Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.31 0.24 0.22 From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Sep 23 09:23:26 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:23:26 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> Maynard Kuona wrote : > Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but they > are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. Xine's UI > is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration into the system > (KDE/GNOME). They do have frontends for KDE/GNOME, but these are usually > half baked, and imcomplete. I think there is more to a media player than > just playing video's and mp3s. Then just try out totem, it's a nice GNOME2 media player with plenty of functionalities and neat stuff like movie thumbnails in nautilus etc. Really good integration, and the good news is that it has the potential to make it into the main distribution as it can also use gstreamer as a backend (it uses xine-lib by default), which is completely modular, already shipped in Red Hat Linux, and to which additional codecs can easily be added (think mp3, ffmpeg...). Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.21 0.15 0.18 From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Sep 23 09:30:14 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:30:14 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030922212159.41c1681e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <20030922212159.41c1681e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20030923113014.3b4f09cd.matthias@rpmforge.net> Michael Schwendt wrote : > > If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net > > and get it there. > > Or watch out for a repository that adheres to Fedora's packaging > guidelines. You seem to imply that freshrpms.net won't follow them... I've always followed Red Hat's own practicises (as a lack of policies or guidelines), and will continue following them, as that is a key element to clean integration and compatibility. BTW, just as a side note : What is currently known as Red Hat Linux doesn't "adhere to Fedora's packaging guidelines" either. Time now to actually make the "merge" happen in order to clean this all up, and I won't be the only one participating and needed to adapt. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.16 0.17 0.17 From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Sep 23 09:30:16 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:30:16 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <000101c381b5$4c2a9a70$196d9e89@pegasus> Totem is nice. Very nice. I like it. But Gstreamer is not yet complete, and Totem does lack some config options. It is coming up though. A year ago, I wouldn't have touched it. But this stems from the fact that video is simpler than audio to make a nice interface for. That is why totem, Gstreamer player and Lumiere look very similar. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matthias Saou Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:23 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) Maynard Kuona wrote : > Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but they > are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. Xine's UI > is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration into the system > (KDE/GNOME). They do have frontends for KDE/GNOME, but these are usually > half baked, and imcomplete. I think there is more to a media player than > just playing video's and mp3s. Then just try out totem, it's a nice GNOME2 media player with plenty of functionalities and neat stuff like movie thumbnails in nautilus etc. Really good integration, and the good news is that it has the potential to make it into the main distribution as it can also use gstreamer as a backend (it uses xine-lib by default), which is completely modular, already shipped in Red Hat Linux, and to which additional codecs can easily be added (think mp3, ffmpeg...). Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.21 0.15 0.18 -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From stephen at skmoore.com Tue Sep 23 09:34:20 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:34:20 +1000 Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull drag Message-ID: <3F70139C.5010505@skmoore.com> If you click on the title bar of the window with the current focus, then drag window. The window ignores the drag, a second click somewhere on the desktop will result in the window jumping to that position. I have verified that this behaviour does not happen in rh9 clicking and draging unfocused windows is fine serven with all updates on a laptop 2.2 ghz with two screens gnome bug #122896 -- ??? From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Sep 23 09:35:55 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:35:55 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <20030923113555.5c618dba.matthias@rpmforge.net> Randall J. Parr wrote : > >If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net > >and get it there. > > > > > > No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff > requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no > longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. Complete FUD. All applications linked against ALSA only require "alsa-lib" (900kB once installed), and nothing more. > I have tried, repeatedly to use freshrpms.net stuff but have constantly > run into the above problems and/or conflicts with other stuff from other > repositories. Yes, I can rebuild them or build them from source but the > whirlpools seems to just spin faster then. Please report any problems, or else thay won't ever get fixed! I dare you to find anyone who contacted me about an issue with freshrpms.net packages that didn't get it solved almost immediately. > On the other hand, Fedora, until now, has allowed me to very quickly and > easily extend my standard Red Hat 7, 8, and 9 servers/workstations while > encounter few if any of these problems. It has really, really been nice. > But now it ends and I am thrown back into the whirlpool. This is not what is happening, although you may be right about "older" releases, as I don't know what will happen regarding new packages for them. I don't think fedora.us has ever completely supported 7.x series btw. > It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell > my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you > can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well > when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just > install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, > maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" Ouch. FUD, really. Otherwise, please report detailed problems. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.05 0.11 0.14 From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Sep 23 09:44:33 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:44:33 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030923113555.5c618dba.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <000001c381b7$4bd822c0$196d9e89@pegasus> I think your repository is really nice. Are you planning on doing anything about co-operating with Fedora? Freshrpms was my first experience with apt-get for Redhat, and a very good one too. Maybe a little sub-channel would be in order. Something which basically carries the packages Redhat can not carry. Like the CSS stuff, mp3 stuff, XVID etc. Just so that people do not have to mix two entire repositories of software. I am pretty sure Fedora cannot have dependencies with those packages, so it should not break anything. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matthias Saou Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:36 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... Randall J. Parr wrote : > >If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net > >and get it there. > > > > > > No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff > requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no > longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. Complete FUD. All applications linked against ALSA only require "alsa-lib" (900kB once installed), and nothing more. > I have tried, repeatedly to use freshrpms.net stuff but have constantly > run into the above problems and/or conflicts with other stuff from other > repositories. Yes, I can rebuild them or build them from source but the > whirlpools seems to just spin faster then. Please report any problems, or else thay won't ever get fixed! I dare you to find anyone who contacted me about an issue with freshrpms.net packages that didn't get it solved almost immediately. > On the other hand, Fedora, until now, has allowed me to very quickly and > easily extend my standard Red Hat 7, 8, and 9 servers/workstations while > encounter few if any of these problems. It has really, really been nice. > But now it ends and I am thrown back into the whirlpool. This is not what is happening, although you may be right about "older" releases, as I don't know what will happen regarding new packages for them. I don't think fedora.us has ever completely supported 7.x series btw. > It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell > my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you > can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well > when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just > install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, > maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" Ouch. FUD, really. Otherwise, please report detailed problems. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.05 0.11 0.14 -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 09:40:36 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:40:36 +0900 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <20030923102423.3a1591fd.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> <20030923102423.3a1591fd.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F701514.6050008@tuins.ac.jp> Didn't mean to come across as testy. Sorry if I did. Focusing on my confusion made me not focus on the tenor of what I was writing. Sorry again. But at the same time, thanks for the answer. That old RedHat TM usage guide guidelines got me so paranoid, but your point about it being a different ball of wax (can of beans, gaggle of geese) makes me see that I was missing the point of that doc a tad. rg (Michael Schwendt wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:31:48 +0900, rg2 wrote: > > > >>OK, you missed some of my points, especially the Linux bit (what happens >>in the future if there is a Linux and BSD version?), but... >> >> > >Don't expect me to quote everything you've written. I only quote and >reply to what I find relevant. Most of the questions you've raised >could be answered with "just wait and see". > > > >>Anyway, to the meat of the matter: is it correct-legal-acceptable in >>printed materials (books, magazines, online articles etc) then, to refer >>to what the user has or is putting on his or her machine, the Fedora >>Project distro, as just Fedora. >> >> > >With regard to Fedora trademark issues, the FAQ mentions that Fedora >Project trademark rules will be provided before the first release. > > > >>For example, "Once you have installed >>Fedora, you can....," "Fedora allows you to.....," "If you are new to >>Fedora, you will find..." and so on. >> >> > >It is a matter of taste whether you call a product by its full name. I >would prefer the full name wherever it is necessary to avoid >ambiguities. With The Fedora Project, often the short-form "Fedora" >will be enough when referring to the project's products as a whole. > > > >>Red Hat seemed fussy on this point >>in the past, insisting, as I recall, that Red Hat be referred to as Red >>Hat Linux Operating System or, at least, Red Hat Linux, rather than Red >>Hat. >> >> > >That is a completely different thing. "Red Hat" is the name of the >company. "Red Hat Linux" is the name of one of its products. You would >never refer to installing "Microsoft" either. > >- -- >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD4DBQE/cAM30iMVcrivHFQRAuouAJjvY3BCpubyPwRVzyaSHNOvTFi0AJ9Q9ICF >oFrB8ZbG6QFvrMu58ab65w== >=gPom >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From pavelr at coresma.com Tue Sep 23 09:53:56 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:53:56 +0300 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall J. Parr wrote: > Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:48:43PM +0200, Maynard Kuona wrote: >> >> >>> am no longer encoding my cds into mp3, but I have so many mp3's, it is a >>> hassle to to this nicely with Redhat. How much does the license cost. Is >>> it not $50,000 for the perpetual license. >>> >> >> >> If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net >> and get it there. >> >> > > No I can't. That is, in fact, my point. Most of the freshrpms.net stuff > requires ALSA, which requires kernel modules, which means I can no > longer "up2date" that system without breaking the sound, etc., etc. Are you sure these were freshrpms packages. I'm using freshrpms packages since redhat 8 and never had any problem with packages or with system updates. These packages WORK with ALSA but all they require is alsa-lib. I used them with standard RedHat kernels and they work very well. > > I have tried, repeatedly to use freshrpms.net stuff but have constantly > run into the above problems and/or conflicts with other stuff from other > repositories. Yes, I can rebuild them or build them from source but the > whirlpools seems to just spin faster then. Mixing repositories is problematic. It looks that fedora packages always had an epoch set, and thus always looked "newer" then freshrpms packages. But now, after they remove all video and mp3 packages there will be less duplicates. > > On the other hand, Fedora, until now, has allowed me to very quickly and > easily extend my standard Red Hat 7, 8, and 9 servers/workstations while > encounter few if any of these problems. It has really, really been nice. > But now it ends and I am thrown back into the whirlpool. > > It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell > my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you > can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well > when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just > install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, > maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" Again, never seen any such problems. Just ran apt-get xmms-mp3 mplayer xine ... after distro installation and it just worked. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/cBg4HJityMnHjjERAlxuAJoD2dC6U9Nbuo+uCwBJGPwpSdxigQCgmZah ZAABpnHqDblA/+euH9fxbBg= =MrE8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Sep 23 09:59:49 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:59:49 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <000001c381b7$4bd822c0$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <20030923113555.5c618dba.matthias@rpmforge.net> <000001c381b7$4bd822c0$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <20030923115949.1dfec196.matthias@rpmforge.net> Maynard Kuona wrote : > I think your repository is really nice. Are you planning on doing > anything about co-operating with Fedora? Freshrpms was my first > experience with apt-get for Redhat, and a very good one too. Maybe a > little sub-channel would be in order. Something which basically carries > the packages Redhat can not carry. Like the CSS stuff, mp3 stuff, XVID > etc. Just so that people do not have to mix two entire repositories of > software. I am pretty sure Fedora cannot have dependencies with those > packages, so it should not break anything. Isn't this what I've always done? Isn't this what I'll still be doing? Yes. Yes. I'm located in Spain/France, ayo.freshrpms.net (the main download server) in Ireland and all the rest should be moving to The Netherlands (I'm still looking for a server donation btw), so until software patents get through in Europe, which may happen unfortunately but we are many fighting against, there should still be what RHL/Fedora users need available as usual. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.13 0.17 0.15 From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 23 10:10:03 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:10:03 +0200 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030923113014.3b4f09cd.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <000001c3813a$25a89f80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030922190258.GA16346@orient.maison> <20030922212159.41c1681e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <20030923113014.3b4f09cd.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <20030923121003.1c4fdc36.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:30:14 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > > > If the issue is mp3 support, you can just hop over to freshrpms.net > > > and get it there. > > > > Or watch out for a repository that adheres to Fedora's packaging > > guidelines. > > You seem to imply that freshrpms.net won't follow them... I've always > followed Red Hat's own practicises (as a lack of policies or guidelines), > and will continue following them, as that is a key element to clean > integration and compatibility. "Fedora" = fedora.us as long as there aren't any packaging guidelines at fedora.redhat.com and as long as fedora.us will be the place where [some] infrastructure is in place which allows for contributions from the community. It will stay like that for some time. With "packaging guidelines" I also refer to package submission and release policies. The infamous second pair of eyes, for instance, which takes another look at a new package before it gets published. Policies which allow for an open release process. The interested user can help with pre-release testing and can point out problems while a new package is in the queue. So far you've been doing a great job. Freshrpms is one of the first repositories that is suggested when people are in search of add-on packages. But Freshrpms.net doesn't scale because you are the single person who prepares the packages. > side note : What is currently known as Red Hat Linux doesn't > "adhere to Fedora's packaging guidelines" either. Time now to actually make > the "merge" happen in order to clean this all up, and I won't be the only > one participating and needed to adapt. Yes, the actual merging work will get interesting. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/cBv70iMVcrivHFQRAucjAJwPdvbZl9NeKioe91SmOwgcnm27XgCfdZ2d CF+HJiEvyFJpCb9Xd3ezR3k= =OIEs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jakub at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 10:25:10 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:25:10 -0400 Subject: NPTL changes in glibc-2.3.2-91; testers needed Message-ID: <20030923062510.A11756@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Hi! glibc-2.3.2-91 apparently did not hit rawhide yet, so I went ahead and put it to ftp://people.redhat.com/jakub/glibc/2.3.2-91/ till it gets into rawhide. This includes nptl 0.60, with noteworthy changes: ~ deadlock fix in condvar. ~ possible lifelock fix in all code using the locking primitives. This doesn't happen on UP machines, can happen rarely on small SMP machines, and increases dramatically with every added processor. The result of fixing this is, for instance, that the Volano Java thread benchmark runs 8 times faster. This is a dramatic case but noteworthy. Other tests improve less and some applications experience a slight slowdown (compared to previous NPTL version). This slowdown cannot be avoided, we need a more expensive operation to implement the locking. Given that this is pretty big change in the core part of NPTL and how late in the game this is, I'd appreciate if you could test this as much as possible on all threaded code you have access to. File any problems in bugzilla. Thanks a lot. Jakub From dennis at ausil.us Tue Sep 23 10:42:32 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:42:32 +1000 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> Message-ID: <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> Fedora Packages have always been problematic with anything other than Red Hat and fedora. which has made this tough as the alsa support at Fedora is non-existant, i much prefer alsa for sound so i use freshrpms and only use from fedora packages that i have wanted that were not availiable elsewhere. and i have even submited a couple of packages at fedora. i hope that the incompatabilites will be resolved. I honestly dont think Fedora has all the answers and all it curreently has is a basic framework. But it is a good starting point. i personally would like to see releases only yearly or less. with updates constantly. new releases should only come when compatibility with the release is about to be broken. take that step then and only then. Dennis > > Mixing repositories is problematic. It looks that fedora packages always > had an epoch set, and thus always looked "newer" then freshrpms > packages. But now, after they remove all video and mp3 packages there > will be less duplicates. > > > On the other hand, Fedora, until now, has allowed me to very quickly and > > easily extend my standard Red Hat 7, 8, and 9 servers/workstations while > > encounter few if any of these problems. It has really, really been nice. > > But now it ends and I am thrown back into the whirlpool. > > > > It has been very, very nice install Fedora yum/apt and be able to tell > > my customers, my sister, my wife, "Just do ..." and presto, changeo, you > > can play your MP3's or watch your DVD's. They really don't do so well > > when I pass on to them the typical answer from these lists of "just > > install all this stuff from freshrpms, reconfigure your modules.conf, > > maybe rebuild your kernel, and it 'just works', Yeah, right" > > Again, never seen any such problems. Just ran apt-get xmms-mp3 mplayer > xine ... after distro installation and it just worked. From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 11:38:06 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:38:06 +0900 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <3F70309E.6070904@tuins.ac.jp> So, excuse me if I am missing something again, does the ayo (freshrpms) rawhide repositories contain essentially the same thing as the Red Hat Rawhide repositories? I mean, can one keep up to date with Test 1 => Test 2 via that route? rg From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 11:46:28 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:46:28 +0900 Subject: Fedora availability via CheapBytes etc. In-Reply-To: <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <3F703294.6040808@tuins.ac.jp> Just wondering, now that the RH name is gone from the new Fedora, and as the distro will be an essentially free product, will it be available under its real name, Fedora, from places like CheapBytes, which at present cannot sell Red Hat Linux disks under that name, and thus use goofbally names like "Pink Tie" or "Blue Jacket"? Or will the same EULA rules apply meaning that they will be selling "Floppy Stetson" disks? rg From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Sep 23 11:59:01 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. Message-ID: Could you please, please configure your e-mail clients to not top post. Especially those folks using Mozilla and Outlook [Express]. It is really hard to follow a thread when ppl top post. TIA. PS: and a curtesy to those still on dial up and those bandwidth is capped, please trim the messages you reply to. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 History books which contain no lies are extremely dull. 07:55:35 up 29 days, 19:30, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 12:03:12 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> from "Dennis Gilmore" at Med 23, 2003 08:42:32 Message-ID: <200309231203.h8NC3Cv24220@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > starting point. i personally would like to see releases only yearly or less. > with updates constantly. new releases should only come when compatibility > with the release is about to be broken. take that step then and only then. Regular releases is important for keeping stuff up to date and also for getting the latest technology into the hands of folks with modems rather than broadband From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 11:54:25 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:54:25 +0900 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F703471.6020005@tuins.ac.jp> I don't think I am a top poster because I have no idea what it is or how to do it, but just in case I am doing it inadvertently, how does one set Mozilla not to top post? rg ne... wrote: >Could you please, please configure your e-mail clients >to not top post. Especially those folks using Mozilla >and Outlook [Express]. It is really hard to follow a thread >when ppl top post. > >TIA. > >PS: and a curtesy to those still on dial up and those bandwidth > is capped, please trim the messages you reply to. > > > From VANCOD at PIOS.com Tue Sep 23 12:04:53 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:04:53 -0400 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. Message-ID: Outlook made readable with Quote-Fix - http://myturl.com/0006t This site also has a build for LookOut Express Don From VANCOD at PIOS.com Tue Sep 23 12:07:22 2003 From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:07:22 -0400 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. Message-ID: rg scribbled on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:54 AM: > I don't think I am a top poster Yes - you are. > because I have no idea what it is or > how to do it, You hit reply and start typing - that puts your response on TOP of the original pos - as opposed to in-line ( like I'm doing here) or putting all your comments at the BOTTOM of the original post.... It's also good courtesy when responding to a threat to trim all auto-generated signatures. Like: -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Don From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 23 12:12:29 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:12:29 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309231203.h8NC3Cv24220@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231203.h8NC3Cv24220@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064319149.10828.66.camel@binkley> > > Regular releases is important for keeping stuff up to date and > also for getting the latest technology into the hands of folks with > modems rather than broadband I'd like to propose the following for those of us who want to worry about maintenance and upgrades but are not in a position to afford RHEL (you can read that as *.edu :) What if the following were done: (FedoraCoreLinux = FCL) FCL1 is released - it is considered current release FCL2 is released - FCL1 becomes stable FCL2 becomes current FCL3 is released - FCL1 becomes old FCL2 becomes stable FCL3 becomes current FCL4 is released - FCL1 is deprecated FCL2 is old FCL3 is stable FCL4 is current Wash, Rinse, Repeat. I guess what I'm getting at is that if there is a way to focus on any 3 releases and then a lot of us who are not in a position to afford RHEL or who do not want to buy RHEL can have a set of structures to help ourselves. I know red hat can't continue to devote many many developer hours on errata of un-paid releases, however, I'm hoping that the fedora system will mean that nothing precludes or will try to resist someone from doing this. -sv From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 12:13:22 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:13:22 +0900 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F7038E2.3050109@tuins.ac.jp> Vanco, Donald wrote: >rg scribbled on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:54 >AM: > > >>I don't think I am a top poster >> >> > Yes - you are. > > > >>because I have no idea what it is or >>how to do it, >> >> > You hit reply and start typing - that puts your response on TOP of >the original pos - as opposed to in-line ( like I'm doing here) or putting >all your comments at the BOTTOM of the original post.... > > It's also good courtesy when responding to a threat to trim all >auto-generated signatures. Like: > > > Oops... I was doing it the other (top posting) way because I thought that was the right way to do it. Sorry. Didn't intend to "top post" because, as I said, I had no idea there was such a thing. Got it now. No discourtesy intended. Strictly a bottom poster from here on in. rg From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Sep 23 12:13:51 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:13:51 -0400 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories Message-ID: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> rg wrote: > can one keep up to date with Test 1 => Test 2 via that route? Can you? Better question, is updating from test 1 something you should be testing? Is this something the development side want you to test? For recent rhl betas...upgrading from beta->beta or from beta->release has not been supported. Any beta testers that use to do that were working contrary to the engineering goals of the beta phase and were summarily shot, as per Red Hat Community Population Control guidelines, section 3 paragraph 1. Until the development side is ready to state that doing a major distribution upgrade without install media (like from a repository), or that a rolling release situation (like we have with ximian's desktop for example), is going to be a development priority. I'm not really sure its in the community's best interest for 'serious' beta testers to be trying to upgrade from test1 to test2 without the install media. Though a discussion of the pros/cons of allowing non-install media release->release upgrades would probably be applicable now in certain places other than this list...with an eye towards influencing later release cycles. This "beta"/"test" cycle is more old policy than new....like the webside says..this is evolutionary change in process not revolutionary. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From grant at tuins.ac.jp Tue Sep 23 12:23:32 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:23:32 +0900 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F703B44.5040800@tuins.ac.jp> Jef Spaleta wrote: >rg wrote: > > >>can one keep up to date with Test 1 => Test 2 via that route? >> >> > >Can you? Better question, is updating from test 1 something you should >be testing? Is this something the development side want you to test? > >For recent rhl betas...upgrading from beta->beta or from beta->release >has not been supported. Any beta testers that use to do that were >working contrary to the engineering goals of the beta phase and were >summarily shot, as per Red Hat Community Population Control guidelines, >section 3 paragraph 1. > >Until the development side is ready to state that doing a major >distribution upgrade without install media (like from a repository), or >that a rolling release situation (like we have with ximian's desktop for >example), is going to be a development priority. I'm not really sure its >in the community's best interest for 'serious' beta testers to be trying >to upgrade from test1 to test2 without the install media. > >Though a discussion of the pros/cons of allowing non-install media >release->release upgrades would probably be applicable now in certain >places other than this list...with an eye towards influencing later >release cycles. This "beta"/"test" cycle is more old policy than >new....like the webside says..this is evolutionary change in process not >revolutionary. > > > > I am sure your point is well made, and maybe my phrasing was a bit misleading. Of course, the only way to really 'test' the new version is via the full install media-based method, but updating is the whole idea of Rawhide, isn't it? Just a way to see what is going on and keeping abreast of the action, so to speak. My question is simply that, in all its innocence, is a ayo rawhide update equivalent of the rawhide updates on the RH server? Whether this is the best method for "updating," or whether doing such is updating at all is not what I am asking. The question still stands. Why does everyone seem so testy today? The merger got people on edge? rg From kjb at dds.nl Mon Sep 22 12:39:02 2003 From: kjb at dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: 22 Sep 2003 14:39:02 +0200 Subject: initscripts and 815 chipset machines In-Reply-To: <3F6EE20D.9020405@insight.rr.com> References: <3F6EE20D.9020405@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064234341.25312.49.camel@topicus6> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:50, Jim - 815 PIII wrote: > There are a series of problems with my Severn installation on an 815 > chipset computer. I was wondering which of the problems others might be > experiencing also. > > 1. Network cable unplugged on startup script. Running dhclient from > command line will get dhcp address. > > 2. Logging into the console will fail for several attempts to login. > Eventually, the login will be accepted. > > 3. using passwd to change passwords comes back with repeated prompts > that the passwords don't match. It does however change the password to > the new password selected. > > 4. Gnome locks up on initializing screen. (empty box with no process ICONs.) > > 5. Mozilla locks up with entering passwords for mail accounts or with > http logins, like rhn network. > > I filed three bug reports for these problems. One was re-assigned to > initscripts. I think this is probably closer to the problem. Looks more like you have hardware problems. I'm running RH9 on a i815 system without all those problems. I'd look more into memory or cooling problems: - use memtest -> www.memtest86.com to check if your memory isn't broken (had that problem once with another i815 system which acted erratic). - check if your processor cooler still runs and use to bios hardware menu to check if your processor temperature doesn't exceed the limit for your system. (my p3 runs at about 40 degrees celsius). - check with dmesg for output from the disk driver (could be some disk is dying) - maybe your power supply is flaky... -- Klaasjan Brand From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Sep 23 12:32:48 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <3F703B44.5040800@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, rg wrote: > I am sure your point is well made, and maybe my phrasing was a bit > misleading. Of course, the only way to really 'test' the new version is > via the full install media-based method, but updating is the whole idea > of Rawhide, isn't it? i'd like someone to clarify this. IIRC, rawhide is *not* a repository for recommended bug fixes or security patches, it's simply a place for leading edge, at-your-own-risk software for which there are no guarantees. it's certainly not clear that *everything* in rawhide is guaranteed to end up in the next official release, is it? it might, it might not. so constantly updating against rawhide might leave you with a system that is, in fact, *ahead* of the curve on some counts, no? am i misunderstanding the whole concept of rawhide? staying on top of current big fixes/security patches is clearly a good idea. constantly updating against rawhide does *not* strike me as similarly recommended. rday From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 23 12:35:21 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:35:21 +0200 Subject: Fedora availability via CheapBytes etc. In-Reply-To: <3F703294.6040808@tuins.ac.jp> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> <3F703294.6040808@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030923143521.1582ef99.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:46:28 +0900, rg wrote: > Just wondering, now that the RH name is gone from the new Fedora, and as > the distro will be an essentially free product, will it be available > under its real name, Fedora, from places like CheapBytes, which at > present [...] http://fedora.redhat.com/about/faq/ - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/cD4J0iMVcrivHFQRAq9qAJ40vDyCFxh3UTWPiRHZAf8ab2SSQQCfbfGv 9ywLKW69Hx5GNDfBwOUqu6s= =KhL7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bill at noreboots.com Tue Sep 23 12:35:23 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 23 Sep 2003 06:35:23 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> Message-ID: <1064320523.14809.10.camel@locutus> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:31, rg2 wrote: > OK, you missed some of my points, especially the Linux bit (what happens > in the future if there is a Linux and BSD version?), but... > > Anyway, to the meat of the matter: is it correct-legal-acceptable in > printed materials (books, magazines, online articles etc) then, to refer > to what the user has or is putting on his or her machine, the Fedora > Project distro, as just Fedora. For example, "Once you have installed > Fedora, you can....," "Fedora allows you to.....," "If you are new to > Fedora, you will find..." and so on. Red Hat seemed fussy on this point > in the past, insisting, as I recall, that Red Hat be referred to as Red > Hat Linux Operating System or, at least, Red Hat Linux, rather than Red > Hat. > > And, getting back to that icon of a hat on the GNOME menu that just > happens to be a red hat, not a Red Hat, is it going to stay? Don't want > to waste my effort on a slew of new screenshots. I'd be pleased with a nice royal blue felt hat. ;) Or maybe a hat color to go with the theme, with a Royal Blue one as the 'official standard' one. Picture RedCurve, BlueCurve, and other. ;) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From nosp at xades.com Tue Sep 23 12:46:56 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:46:56 +0100 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 12:59, ne... wrote: > Could you please, please configure your e-mail clients > to not top post. Please let's not start a war. Just deal with what people use unless it's horribly wrong and could use correction -- then do it as a reply to the offending post. At the least a link to an authoritative netiquette site would justify your request. I did a quick google search and quickly found that business users / newer internet users are thought to be the typical top-posters (as an old internet user and a business user, I can corroborate that). Below are some discussions I found. Bottom line: bottom-posting is the norm for usenet news and should be the default (but not only) option for geek email. [Authoritative] Jargon Dictionary: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html (note justifications are mostly outdated) [Authoritative] Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/ Origin of bottom-posting and anti-top-posters on Usenet: http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html Slighty-pro top-posting rant: http://www.lionsgrove.com/topposting.html Slightly-anti top-posting rant: http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_stv0.htm Mozilla to allow (not default) top-posting & why: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62429#c77 Blind usenet readers don't like top-posting: http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_chr0.htm Martin PS--for the record, I'm all for top-posting on small threads like this one. rg's hopefully ironic reply to your post was a perfect example. From nbecker at hns.com Tue Sep 23 13:02:34 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:02:34 -0400 Subject: firewall + ipsec? Message-ID: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> I need a firewall that will work with ipsec. It needs to pass protocols 50 + 51. I don't want to write all the rules by hand, I'd like to find a reasonable firewall setup script that I could just add a couple of lines to. Actually, a gui would be great. I have tried: redhat-config-securitylevel firestarter shorewall None seemed to do the job. Several could open ports, but only for tcp and udp, whereas I need other protocols (50 and 51). Any suggestions? From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 23 13:03:44 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: servern 9.0.93 kernel In-Reply-To: <20030923071458.92145.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.co.jp> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Bit Takeshi wrote: >Hello all, > >I am sorry if it is already reported but servern >9.0.93.kernel was built without ntfs.o. Furthermore, by >default, I can not rebuild the kernel-source*rpm by > ntfs.o has not been built with RH due to problems reported of corruptions of XP and 2000 drives. There have also been rumours that because the item is reversed engineered there may be DMCA areas that Red Hat could get hit with. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Sep 23 13:10:07 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:10:07 +0200 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <3F70309E.6070904@tuins.ac.jp> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> <3F70309E.6070904@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030923151007.322c3569.matthias@rpmforge.net> rg wrote : > So, excuse me if I am missing something again, does the ayo (freshrpms) > rawhide repositories contain essentially the same thing as the Red Hat > Rawhide repositories? I mean, can one keep up to date with Test 1 => > Test 2 via that route? You can easily move from Severn to Rawhide with yum or apt using ayo.freshrpms.net, yes. It should also be possible to upgrade to the next beta that way, although it's not an official supported path, as only upgrades from previous stable releases are. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030922 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.21 0.35 0.48 From grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp Tue Sep 23 13:13:35 2003 From: grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp (rg2) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:13:35 +0900 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <1064320523.14809.10.camel@locutus> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> <1064320523.14809.10.camel@locutus> Message-ID: <3F7046FF.7090103@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> Bill Anderson wrote: >>And, getting back to that icon of a hat on the GNOME menu that just >>happens to be a red hat, not a Red Hat, is it going to stay? Don't want >>to waste my effort on a slew of new screenshots. >> >> > >I'd be pleased with a nice royal blue felt hat. ;) > >Or maybe a hat color to go with the theme, with a Royal Blue one as the >'official standard' one. Picture RedCurve, BlueCurve, and other. ;) > > > I'm sure you'd look fine in a nice royal blue felt hat, perhaps with a big feather stuck in it, but don't count on me for advice in that regard- I don't really know what you look like, and the blue felt might not suit you at all. Maybe a Hawaiian print? Wear at your own risk. In the meanwhile, I am still looking for a simple answer to a pretty simple questions that is not at all out of line or outside the realm of things given the new renaming news. Everyone has their own angle on this list and things they want or need to know - that's fair enough. :-P rg From dennis at ausil.us Tue Sep 23 13:18:06 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:18:06 +1000 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <1064319149.10828.66.camel@binkley> References: <200309231203.h8NC3Cv24220@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064319149.10828.66.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <200309232318.09502.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:12 pm, seth vidal wrote: > > Regular releases is important for keeping stuff up to date and > > also for getting the latest technology into the hands of folks with > > modems rather than broadband > > I'd like to propose the following for those of us who want to worry > about maintenance and upgrades but are not in a position to afford RHEL > (you can read that as *.edu :) > > What if the following were done: > (FedoraCoreLinux = FCL) > > FCL1 is released - it is considered current release > FCL2 is released - FCL1 becomes stable FCL2 becomes current > FCL3 is released - FCL1 becomes old FCL2 becomes stable FCL3 becomes > current > FCL4 is released - FCL1 is deprecated FCL2 is old FCL3 is stable FCL4 is > current > I like that idea also. i am a University Student and cant afford RHEL but i do run my own server here. and i dont want to have to upgrade or rebuild and test it every 4-6 months Dennis > Wash, Rinse, Repeat. > > I guess what I'm getting at is that if there is a way to focus on any 3 > releases and then a lot of us who are not in a position to afford RHEL > or who do not want to buy RHEL can have a set of structures to help > ourselves. > > I know red hat can't continue to devote many many developer hours on > errata of un-paid releases, however, I'm hoping that the fedora system > will mean that nothing precludes or will try to resist someone from > doing this. > > -sv > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Sep 23 13:18:42 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:18:42 -0500 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064323122.17233.6.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:32, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > am i misunderstanding the whole concept of rawhide? staying on top > of current big fixes/security patches is clearly a good idea. constantly > updating against rawhide does *not* strike me as similarly recommended. Rawhide is indeed for upgrading/fixing packages, but without going through a Q/A process, which therefore may or may not work. For production systems using official release, one should use up2date to fix/upgrade their system's files/packages and not use rawhide channel. But for non-production systems, or in this case, now the testing/beta through the Fedora project, rawhide *is* the only way to upgrade, as there is no erratta through regular official channels that I know of, except for the Red Hat Linux - Beta Updates (or whatever it's called now) channel, or in this case, rawhide. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "I'd insult you, but you wouldn't know the difference!" From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Tue Sep 23 13:19:42 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:19:42 +0200 Subject: Fedora Project: Announcing New Direction In-Reply-To: <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F70648E.30319.3E67B1@localhost> Hello Michael, > Your subscriptions have been preserved, moved over to the new names > for the lists. Which is very nice, but it would have been even nicer had you preannounced this so people could have updated their mail filter rules *before* the name change. Would have saved me (and probably others) to sift through 200+ messages in my main mail box. Luckily I wasn't on vacation for a week... Ok, enough with the nagging, let's get on with the exciting stuff. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 13:22:18 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <1064319149.10828.66.camel@binkley> from "seth vidal" at Med 23, 2003 08:12:29 Message-ID: <200309231322.h8NDMJF32593@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I know red hat can't continue to devote many many developer hours on > errata of un-paid releases, however, I'm hoping that the fedora system > will mean that nothing precludes or will try to resist someone from > doing this. Fedora Legacy was defined to provide a place for third parties to do that. From chrisw01 at privatei.com Tue Sep 23 13:23:57 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:23:57 -0600 Subject: Linux freezes when syncing to Handspring Visor In-Reply-To: <20030923041143.7538.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030923041143.7538.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064323437.10349.13.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 22:11, Daniel Durgin wrote: > Good evening, > everytime I try to sync (usb) to Evolution 1.4 > redhat Pukes (Yes, I believe this is a technical > term!). X freezes, everything freezes. I can't even > ctr-alt-delete. The Caps lock and Scroll lock LEDs > blink at me; reassuring me that all is wrong. Have to > press reset. > Weird thing is, if I use kpilot or jpilot it works > fine. > I am running 2.4.22-1.2051.nptl. > - Dan Happens to me all the time as well. Looks like a problem with the gnome-pilot conduits. In my case, the EAddress one syncs 24 records exactly before completely crashing. I, too, have noticed that system becomes generally unstable - if it doesn't hang altogether - after this. If I disable all of the gnome-pilot conduits for Evolution, I can sync without errors. That's a pretty useless configuration though unless you just like syncing your PDA and PC clocks. The file transfer conduit also works sometimes depending on the size/type of file being transferred. I thought maybe it was my Tungsten T because my wife's M515 works just fine, but Jpilot works flawlessly with my Tungsten T. One more thing... When the system does hang. The lights on my keyboard also flash. It's pretty nasty. By the way, do any of these allow syncing to the memory card on the Palm? Pointers welcome! Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 23 13:29:01 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:29:01 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309231322.h8NDMJF32593@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231322.h8NDMJF32593@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064323740.12405.2.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:22, Alan Cox wrote: > Fedora Legacy was defined to provide a place for third parties to do that. Right, and as I mentioned before, it could be useful to separate core and legacy maintenance bits into 3+ segments that can be followed easily. -sv From dennis at ausil.us Tue Sep 23 13:32:11 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:32:11 +1000 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309231203.h8NC3Cv24220@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231203.h8NC3Cv24220@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309232332.13312.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:03 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > Regular releases is important for keeping stuff up to date and > also for getting the latest technology into the hands of folks with > modems rather than broadband How will these users get there iso's if there is no longer boxed sets? Third party Vendors? why cant update cds be made for these users? Dennis > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Sep 23 13:37:09 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:37:09 -0500 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1064324228.4050.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:02, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I need a firewall that will work with ipsec. It needs to pass protocols 50 + > 51. I don't want to write all the rules by hand, I'd like to find a > reasonable firewall setup script that I could just add a couple of lines to. > Actually, a gui would be great. > > I have tried: > > redhat-config-securitylevel > firestarter > shorewall Try a search at http://www.freshmeat.net on the keywords "firewall ipsec". Then you can peruse the results to find something that hopefully meets all of your needs and expectations. You might also try http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/LDP/VPN-Masquerade-HOWTO.html if you need ipsec and masquerading. > > None seemed to do the job. Several could open ports, but only for tcp and > udp, whereas I need other protocols (50 and 51). Whatever protocol you're using will likely be based on either tcp or udp if it goes over an ip network. Ports 50 and 51 are just doorways for either tcp or udp or both that your protocol happens to use. Perhaps it would be helpful to think of tcp and udp as transports instead of protocols (which are implemented on top of either tcp or udp). tcp is used for connection-oriented protocols, meaning that a single connection is maintained for the entire conversation like a telephone call. udp, on the other hand, is connection-less and could be compared to sending postcards or telegrams back and forth in order to carry on a conversation. HTH, paul From pauln at truemesh.com Tue Sep 23 13:42:45 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:42:45 +0100 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20030923134244.GZ31965@shitake.truemesh.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:02:34AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I need a firewall that will work with ipsec. It needs to pass protocols 50 + > 51. I don't want to write all the rules by hand, I'd like to find a > I have tried: > > redhat-config-securitylevel > None seemed to do the job. Several could open ports, but only for tcp and > udp, whereas I need other protocols (50 and 51). Are you sure - I used redhat-config-securitylevel and the iptables produced did have a protocol 50/51 entry. I may have used -tui (lokkit) though, this was on severn with rhn beta updates. Paul From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 13:46:40 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309232332.13312.dennis@ausil.us> from "Dennis Gilmore" at Med 23, 2003 11:32:11 Message-ID: <200309231346.h8NDker15799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > How will these users get there iso's if there is no longer boxed sets? Third > party Vendors? why cant update cds be made for these users? What is the difference between an update CD and a new release - the only big one is that by doing 2 or 3 releases a year most people will be running the same combinations of versions which helps a lot in debugging and with extras. From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Sep 23 13:48:28 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark A. Hoover) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <20030923060806.27500.92793.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: > Everytime I've seen a reponse like this, I've sat here and wondered why > it's always assumed that RedHat has to provide these for free. I think > it would be a great product offering if RedHat could get together > perhaps with the developers of products like mplayer, xine, or whatever > and license the codecs for use with these programs. > > The problem is not that Red Hat would have to provide them for free. > The problem is that the applications you mention are all licensed under > the GPL, and that license is fairly stubbornly opposed to any additional > restrictions beyond those it describes. I'll give you this one, only if you can tell me what would prevent something like mPlayer being released GPL, and the codec plugin from being released as a seperate binary only package? The copy of xmms I have right now comes as two seperate RPMs. The xmms RPM package that contains the player and the xmms-mp3 mplugin RPM which I had to go and d/l elsewhere. From grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp Tue Sep 23 13:54:41 2003 From: grant at p2322.nsk.ne.jp (rg2) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:54:41 +0900 Subject: Fedora availability via CheapBytes etc. In-Reply-To: <20030923143521.1582ef99.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> <3F703294.6040808@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923143521.1582ef99.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F7050A1.1030802@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> Michael Schwendt wrote: >>Just wondering, now that the RH name is gone from the new Fedora, and as >>the distro will be an essentially free product, will it be available >>under its real name, Fedora, from places like CheapBytes, which at >>present [...] >> >> > >http://fedora.redhat.com/about/faq/ > > > Thanks, got it, methinks. Q: How will Fedora Project be made available to the public? A: ...and will also be available through other channels such as third-party online sales of physical media... Very good, so then everyone can access it pretty easily without dealing with the pink tie (Hey, Bill, that might go nicely with the Blue Felt hat). rg From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Sep 23 13:55:55 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:55:55 -0500 Subject: Status of RHN Subscriptions Message-ID: <1064325354.4050.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> If I bought the boxed set of Red Hat Linux and purchased subscriptions to RHN, what happens next? Do I lose up2dates for the remainder of my subscription? Do I renew my subscription (one expires in a week or two)? Do my paid subscriptions get bumped up to RHEL WS? From czar at czarc.net Tue Sep 23 13:58:26 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:58:26 -0400 Subject: fedora bug reports Message-ID: <200309230958.26892.czar@czarc.net> The current info I could find regarding fedora core bug reports indicates (to me) that these reports will be entered in the current Red Hat bugzilla database. The current Fedora Linux Project also has a bugzilla database at https://bugzilla.fedora.us/ What are the current plans for the future Fedora Project ... keep all of these reports in Red Hat's bugzilla (certain advantages with reference to old bugs) or separated them into a separate database (perhaps based on the current bugzilla.fedora.us ... this has disadvantage of two, separate databases to search, maintain, etc.)? -- Gene C. From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Sep 23 14:06:37 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:06:37 -0500 Subject: fedora bug reports In-Reply-To: <200309230958.26892.czar@czarc.net> References: <200309230958.26892.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1064325997.6321.8.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:58, Gene C. wrote: > The current info I could find regarding fedora core bug reports indicates (to > me) that these reports will be entered in the current Red Hat bugzilla > database. The current Fedora Linux Project also has a bugzilla database at > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/ > > What are the current plans for the future Fedora Project ... keep all of these > reports in Red Hat's bugzilla (certain advantages with reference to old bugs) > or separated them into a separate database (perhaps based on the current > bugzilla.fedora.us ... this has disadvantage of two, separate databases to > search, maintain, etc.)? Click on the bugzilla link in http://fedora.redhat.com/ Gerry From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 14:08:56 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: from "Mark A. Hoover" at Med 23, 2003 09:48:28 Message-ID: <200309231408.h8NE8us27427@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I'll give you this one, only if you can tell me what would prevent > something like mPlayer being released GPL, and the codec plugin from being > released as a seperate binary only package? The copy of xmms I have right > now comes as two seperate RPMs. The xmms RPM package that contains the > player and the xmms-mp3 mplugin RPM which I had to go and d/l elsewhere. For GPL software the GPL prevents it. For BSD type licenses you can probably do that just fine providing you have the relevant licenses From lowen at pari.edu Tue Sep 23 14:08:51 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:08:51 -0400 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309231008.51520.lowen@pari.edu> On Tuesday 23 September 2003 08:13, Jef Spaleta wrote: > For recent rhl betas...upgrading from beta->beta or from beta->release > has not been supported. Any beta testers that use to do that were > working contrary to the engineering goals of the beta phase and were > summarily shot, as per Red Hat Community Population Control guidelines, > section 3 paragraph 1. Shot? Whipped with a wet noodle, maybe, but not shot. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From dennis at ausil.us Tue Sep 23 14:09:53 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:09:53 +1000 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309231346.h8NDker15799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231346.h8NDker15799@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309240009.56338.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:46 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > > How will these users get there iso's if there is no longer boxed sets? > > Third party Vendors? why cant update cds be made for these users? > > What is the difference between an update CD and a new release - the > only big one is that by doing 2 or 3 releases a year most people will be > running the same combinations of versions which helps a lot in debugging > and with extras. an update CD Would not totally replace every core package in the system but provide a means for the user to update only those those that the user felt needed updating. or it would be a good way to update say kde to the newest version. while leaving the core intact. regardless of dial-up or broadband security updates should be downloaded immediately but updated packages could be issued in a quartely update cd with a new version every 12- 18 months. universitys for example are most likely to upgrade systems over the summer break. not at any other time of year. they dont have the time to test the system fully anyother time of year. My laptop and Desktops i keep up to the current packages at most times but my server i have configured and only update security related issues or bug fixes. when ever i update anything i back up config files and then test to make sure everything is configured as it should be and is doing the job it should do. a full system upgrade is a much bigger task than updating a handful of packages. From ted at cypress.com Tue Sep 23 14:16:25 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:16:25 -0500 Subject: "Licensed" codes In-Reply-To: <3F6FC585.2060402@eburg.com> References: <20030922183614.24748.25938.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F6FBEAF.1080701@ispaceonline.org> <3F6FC585.2060402@eburg.com> Message-ID: <3F7055B9.6070702@cypress.com> Gordon Messmer wrote: > 2) Negotiate a nonexclusive, transferable, unlimited license for those > works and all derivatives. > > I think the latter is right out, considering that if a patent holder > granted such a license, they'd never receive another dime of licensing > income. Negotiate the license above only for noncomercial/free software. Hasn't this been done before? Something about a license only for GPL programs? That allows GPL code to use the licensed material, derivitave also get the right to use them as long as they are GPL, which is already required by the GPL, so it's not a further restriction. -Thomas From riel at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 14:19:06 2003 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309232332.13312.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > why cant update cds be made for these users? I can't see why people wouldn't make update CDs. Volunteers ? Now, if there are no volunteers you have your answer ;) -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan From jspaleta at princeton.edu Tue Sep 23 14:19:29 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 23 Sep 2003 10:19:29 -0400 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories Message-ID: <1064326768.20615.67.camel@spatula> Rg wrote: > but updating is the whole idea of Rawhide, isn't it? Rawhide is many things...but what it is not typically is something you can do a fresh install or a full distribution upgrade with....and if rawhide is anything its bleeding edge. Using selective rawhide binary packages right now on rhl9 box is not the wisest idea. And rawhide is not necessarily self-consistent, rawhide can have a lot of breakage in it, especially when new core pieces of technology show up. You don't necessarily want to be running rawhide when a new glibc lands for example.But the brokenness of rawhide waxes and wanes depending on where development is in the release cycle. During a beta/test phase...like we are in now, rawhide looks a bit less experimental because developers are by and large focusing on stitching the pieces together so they actually work as a distribution.A lot of beta/test bug squashing gets done in rawhide during this phase of the cycle..so rawhide becomes very beta/test relevant, and is a useful tool for people who are actively invovled with bug hunting and know what they are doing.... Unless i misread something in the new website...there is still a focus on the idea of a time based release schedule so that specific collections of packages can be place together and labeled as a specific distribution version...even if the new naming scheme is silly...its still a numbering and naming scheme quite similar to what has come before. A saw no evidence that there is a shift to the evil idea of the rolling release where there is only one main tree. We are going to have named and numbers 'releases' and those name and numbered releases will have access to specific package updates between official releases as binary compatibility allows. > My question is simply that, in all its innocence, is a ayo rawhide > update equivalent of the rawhide updates on the RH server? Whether > this is the best method for "updating," You were talking about test1->test2...which is more of an upgrade instead of an update. Best method be damned!!!!! when the test2 isos come out there is an expectation that ever beta tester reinstall test2 either fresh, or as an upgrade from a previous official release. Upgrading from test1->test2 via apt may or may not be 'best' for you...but thats not important. What is important is what testers are expected to do as part of this testing process. Until the policy as to what are this community's supported upgrade paths from one official release to another is revised, updating between official releases is expected to use the iso install media or related floppy boot images just as the beta/test releases do. Use of apt or yum is clever and it make be best, but distorts the point of this test phase...for now. -jef"thinks there really needs to be tester's guide in the participate section of the website that spells out what testers are expected to do"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 14:25:40 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309240009.56338.dennis@ausil.us> from "Dennis Gilmore" at Med 24, 2003 12:09:53 Message-ID: <200309231425.h8NEPeL04224@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > an update CD Would not totally replace every core package in the system but > provide a means for the user to update only those those that the user felt > needed updating. or it would be a good way to update say kde to the newest > version. while leaving the core intact. regardless of dial-up or broadband Except that dependancies will suck in other stuff anyway. Nothing forces you to update every package all the time. up2date lets you pick the bits you want as do the other tools. The aim of Fedora is to be current and track mainstream From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Tue Sep 23 14:27:12 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:27:12 +0200 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <1064324228.4050.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> <1064324228.4050.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1064327231.1314.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 15:37, Paul Morgan wrote: > > None seemed to do the job. Several could open ports, but only for tcp and > > udp, whereas I need other protocols (50 and 51). > > Whatever protocol you're using will likely be based on either tcp or udp > if it goes over an ip network. Ports 50 and 51 are just doorways for > either tcp or udp or both that your protocol happens to use. No, he is not talking about ports 50 or 51, he is talking about protocols 50 and 51: IPSec ESP and IPSec AH, respectively. Enabling the whole ESP and AH headers will allow IPSec traffic to pass through the firewall. However, he will find another pitfall that I've been unable to resolve and it's that once IPSec traffic passes by the firewall, there is no way to perform additional filtering based on TCP/UDP ports for example. Thus, if you enable ESP/AH (protocols 50 and 51), you will in fact enable *any* IPSec-protected traffic to pass through the firewall, without being able to filter that IPSec traffic based on TCP/UDP ports, for example. From ted at cypress.com Tue Sep 23 14:33:53 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:33:53 -0500 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <200309231408.h8NE8us27427@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231408.h8NE8us27427@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7059D1.1060908@cypress.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>I'll give you this one, only if you can tell me what would prevent >>something like mPlayer being released GPL, and the codec plugin from being >>released as a seperate binary only package? The copy of xmms I have right >>now comes as two seperate RPMs. The xmms RPM package that contains the >>player and the xmms-mp3 mplugin RPM which I had to go and d/l elsewhere. > > > For GPL software the GPL prevents it. For BSD type licenses you can probably > do that just fine providing you have the relevant licenses I beleive that to be a bug in the GPL. (or a reason to use a different license if that is the true intent) Plugins and addons should not be considered derivitives automatically. If I write a "pluging" for the GIMP, that mimics the functionality of a comercial Photoshop plugin, why woul it be a derivitive of the GIMP? Now If I modified an existin, GPLed, GIMP plugin, that would have to be GPL. If I write a new plugin from scratch, using the defined plugin interface, that should not have to be GPL. Same with xmms plugins, and kernel modules. Use a defined interface to implement functionality, and it should not force the GPL on the new functionality. -Thomas From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Tue Sep 23 14:36:16 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:36:16 +0200 Subject: How about major and minor releases Message-ID: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> Something like Fedora makes a major release every 12 months, and then a minor update release between major releases. The minor release, like a release 2, would be just release 1 with all the security updates and other necessary updates would be binary compatible with the previous, like a target of 99.9% compatibility, and the major could have a much lower target, like maybe 95%. In short, the releases cycle could be something like Fedora Core v2 Release 1. Six months later, Fedora Core v2 Release 2 Six months later, Fedora Core v3 Release 1 This doesn't have to be set in stone, if there is a real need to jump the minor release and bump up the version number it would be done. Then there could be a beta of the next release from say 2 months after the release 1 of the previous version, which lasts about 10 months and culminates in the next release. This also serves as a test area for the current release packages, since there should be some compatibility between them. So fixes filter down to the current 'stable' from the Beta anyway. I think it would be nice to see the introduction of the stock kernel as part of the distro. Since Fedora is unsupported anyway, this shouldn't be too much of a problem. A contrib kernel section for kernels would be nice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 14:37:36 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <3F7059D1.1060908@cypress.com> from "Thomas Dodd" at Med 23, 2003 09:33:53 Message-ID: <200309231437.h8NEbaT11636@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Plugins and addons should not be considered derivitives automatically. > If I write a "pluging" for the GIMP, that mimics the functionality of a > comercial Photoshop plugin, why woul it be a derivitive of the GIMP? Now > If I modified an existin, GPLed, GIMP plugin, that would have to be GPL. > If I write a new plugin from scratch, using the defined plugin > interface, that should not have to be GPL. Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to say the least. For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately takes a "free nor not at all" approach. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Tue Sep 23 14:45:20 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:45:20 -0500 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <1064327231.1314.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> <1064324228.4050.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1064327231.1314.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <1064328319.4050.38.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:27, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > > > None seemed to do the job. Several could open ports, but only for tcp and > > > udp, whereas I need other protocols (50 and 51). > > > No, he is not talking about ports 50 or 51, he is talking about > protocols 50 and 51: IPSec ESP and IPSec AH, respectively. My bad. I should have RTFQ. From pavelr at coresma.com Tue Sep 23 14:46:46 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:46:46 +0300 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <200309231437.h8NEbaT11636@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231437.h8NEbaT11636@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F705CD6.8060304@coresma.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>Plugins and addons should not be considered derivitives automatically. >>If I write a "pluging" for the GIMP, that mimics the functionality of a >>comercial Photoshop plugin, why woul it be a derivitive of the GIMP? Now >>If I modified an existin, GPLed, GIMP plugin, that would have to be GPL. >>If I write a new plugin from scratch, using the defined plugin >>interface, that should not have to be GPL. > > > Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to say the least. > For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately takes a "free nor not at all" > approach. There exist non-GPLd kernel modules, though (NVIDIA drivers,etc...). Do you want to say that they are illegal? Pavel. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 23 15:01:05 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:01:05 +0200 Subject: fedora bug reports In-Reply-To: <200309230958.26892.czar@czarc.net> References: <200309230958.26892.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20030923170105.5f601c55.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:58:26 -0400, Gene C. wrote: > The current info I could find regarding fedora core bug reports indicates (to > me) that these reports will be entered in the current Red Hat bugzilla > database. The current Fedora Linux Project also has a bugzilla database at > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/ > > What are the current plans for the future Fedora Project ... keep all of these > reports in Red Hat's bugzilla (certain advantages with reference to old bugs) > or separated them into a separate database (perhaps based on the current > bugzilla.fedora.us ... this has disadvantage of two, separate databases to > search, maintain, etc.)? As long as Red Hat Linux (Fedora Core) and Fedora Linux have not merged, you will need to visit bugzilla.redhat.com for bugs in Fedora Core and bugzilla.fedora.us for packages offered by http://www.fedora.us Confusing, but unavoidable during early development. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/cGAx0iMVcrivHFQRAtMvAJ91PrOU93pD0BnJPkwy8C/KWmqk2wCeP3K4 vOVHO4JkA7TfTdrOdKPUvao= =VxoU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkt at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 15:01:07 2003 From: jkt at redhat.com (Jay Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:01:07 -0400 Subject: "Licensed" codes In-Reply-To: <3F7055B9.6070702@cypress.com> References: <20030922183614.24748.25938.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F6FBEAF.1080701@ispaceonline.org> <3F6FC585.2060402@eburg.com> <3F7055B9.6070702@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20030923150107.GB4568@redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:16:25AM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > Gordon Messmer wrote: > >2) Negotiate a nonexclusive, transferable, unlimited license for those > >works and all derivatives. > > > >I think the latter is right out, considering that if a patent holder > >granted such a license, they'd never receive another dime of licensing > >income. > > Negotiate the license above only for noncomercial/free software. > Hasn't this been done before? Something about a license only for GPL > programs? > > That allows GPL code to use the licensed material, derivitave also get > the right to use them as long as they are GPL, which is already required > by the GPL, so it's not a further restriction. You can't restrict GPL code to non-commercial applications, but you could attempt to get a license exemption which would allow for use of the codecs in GPL code/applications. This would be in compliance with the GPL, so that issue would no longer be on the table, but the amount of money which is going to be required to get the patent holders to agree to this is out of this world. Think about it, as soon as they allow for this type of exemption, then everyone that wishes to use the codecs will just GPL their players and no one would need to pay for a license anymore. - jkt -- --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Jay Turner, QA Technical Lead jkt at redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein From maxer1 at xmission.com Tue Sep 23 15:08:45 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:08:45 -0600 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD In-Reply-To: <3F6F7FB4.8000103@insight.rr.com> References: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> <3F6F7FB4.8000103@insight.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F7061FD.6070102@xmission.com> Jim - 815 PIII wrote: > Vidyut Luther wrote: > >> Hi, I tried to lookup anyone else who had the same problem as me with >> Severn and IEEE1394, I found the following message.. >> >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00464.html >> >> My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with the >> drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to work. >> Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, until the I >> turn the drive off again. >> >> I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages >> updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want to >> work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my music is >> on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while working. >> On my 9.0 system, I could see the drive as /dev/sda and I could mount >> /dev/sda1 /mnt etc, without an issue. >> >> I have a feeling this also has to do with my cdrom not working in Severn >> as well. I have a plextor 52x32x48 CDRW, grub has the line appended to >> say hdc=ide-scsi , but dmesg gives seek errors. >> But i'll work on that after I get the firewire to work. Nobody >> responded to the other guy, I'm hoping someone will help me. >> > > I have had plenty of CDROM problems with the prior beta. One of the > problems surrounded the hdx=ide-scsi addition to the kernel. Removing > the additional line allowed me to burn from my writer without any > problems. > > Here is the cdrom related excerpt from /etc/fstab. (symlinks can > obscure what is really going on. See symlinks below) > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > symlinks point to below: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/scd1 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 15, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu31a > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 24, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu535 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Sep 22 17:20 /dev/cdwriter -> /dev/sg1 > > in my /boot/grub/grub.conf file. I have the following settings. I > haven't tried to burn a cdrom recently. The last time I burned a cd > was with hdd=ide-scsi removed from the kernel. You should be able to > copy the text for your working kernel. Paste it below your present > entry. Rename it to designate that no ide-scsi is there. (Such as RHL > no ide-scsi in the title. Remove the ide-scsi parameter, then save the > file and reboot your system into that kernel version. Then try the > cdrom out and the drive. > > title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-20.9) > root (hd1,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-20.9 ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi > initrd /initrd-2.4.20-20.9.img > > ---- > For the music drive. (My USB / IDE drive is used for the same purpose) > > As someone from Red Hat pointed out (bad w/ remembering names) > The problem might be with the last two entries in your etc fstab file. > I have a USB adapter for an IDE laptop drive. It errored out with a > disk check entry. Something about USB is loaded after other programs. > I changed the entry to 0, 0 and the drive mounted and did not lockup > any more. > > This is a reply anyway. I hope it leads you in the right direction anyway. It's nice, but doesn't address Firewire drives, particularly the BUSLink 48x12x48 CDRW drive that works with RH 9. I'm drawing attention again, since I don't believe anyone has chimed in on the firewire issue and these nptl kernels. Since we're approaching beta2 soon, it would be nice to here more on this from anyone at RH. Raxet From notting at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 15:09:31 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:09:31 -0400 Subject: fedora bug reports In-Reply-To: <20030923170105.5f601c55.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de>; from ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:01:05PM +0200 References: <200309230958.26892.czar@czarc.net> <20030923170105.5f601c55.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20030923110931.F21963@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Michael Schwendt (ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de) said: > As long as Red Hat Linux (Fedora Core) and Fedora Linux have not > merged, you will need to visit bugzilla.redhat.com for bugs in Fedora > Core and bugzilla.fedora.us for packages offered by http://www.fedora.us > > Confusing, but unavoidable during early development. Correct; we certainly intend to merge the databases to the best extent possible. Bill From vid at linuxpowered.com Tue Sep 23 15:27:06 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:27:06 -0500 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD In-Reply-To: <3F7061FD.6070102@xmission.com> References: <1064242522.16672.14.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> <3F6F7FB4.8000103@insight.rr.com> <3F7061FD.6070102@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1064330826.18593.5.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> Thanks to all who replied and gave suggestions. I tried Ben Hsu's advice, and ran rescan-scsi-bus.sh it finds and assigns all the id's correctly. as for the CDROM drive, for now, I turned off smartd, and it works fine. As for the USB/FireWire Storage ... I have a USB "all-in-one" card reader for my camera, and my firewire drive, if both are hooked up to the same computer, the USB storage kicks in first, so the USB device gets /dev/sda , and Firewire gets /dev/sdb I have to see how the card reads when I have a memory stick, and a SD card in at the same time, will it then push the firewire out to sdc ? I will do a clean install of Beta 2 this weekend, to see if the installer has fixed the issue, if not I guess we'll see how to make it work in beta 2. Once beta 2 comes out, i'll document my findings and put it up on the web for all to see. On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:08, raxet wrote: > Jim - 815 PIII wrote: > > > Vidyut Luther wrote: > > > >> Hi, I tried to lookup anyone else who had the same problem as me with > >> Severn and IEEE1394, I found the following message.. > >> > >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00464.html > >> > >> My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with the > >> drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to work. > >> Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, until the I > >> turn the drive off again. > >> > >> I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages > >> updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want to > >> work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my music is > >> on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while working. > >> On my 9.0 system, I could see the drive as /dev/sda and I could mount > >> /dev/sda1 /mnt etc, without an issue. > >> > >> I have a feeling this also has to do with my cdrom not working in Severn > >> as well. I have a plextor 52x32x48 CDRW, grub has the line appended to > >> say hdc=ide-scsi , but dmesg gives seek errors. > >> But i'll work on that after I get the firewire to work. Nobody > >> responded to the other guy, I'm hoping someone will help me. > >> > > > > I have had plenty of CDROM problems with the prior beta. One of the > > problems surrounded the hdx=ide-scsi addition to the kernel. Removing > > the additional line allowed me to burn from my writer without any > > problems. > > > > Here is the cdrom related excerpt from /etc/fstab. (symlinks can > > obscure what is really going on. See symlinks below) > > > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > > > symlinks point to below: > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/scd1 > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 15, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu31a > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 24, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu535 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Sep 22 17:20 /dev/cdwriter -> /dev/sg1 > > > > in my /boot/grub/grub.conf file. I have the following settings. I > > haven't tried to burn a cdrom recently. The last time I burned a cd > > was with hdd=ide-scsi removed from the kernel. You should be able to > > copy the text for your working kernel. Paste it below your present > > entry. Rename it to designate that no ide-scsi is there. (Such as RHL > > no ide-scsi in the title. Remove the ide-scsi parameter, then save the > > file and reboot your system into that kernel version. Then try the > > cdrom out and the drive. > > > > title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-20.9) > > root (hd1,0) > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-20.9 ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi > > initrd /initrd-2.4.20-20.9.img > > > > ---- > > For the music drive. (My USB / IDE drive is used for the same purpose) > > > > As someone from Red Hat pointed out (bad w/ remembering names) > > The problem might be with the last two entries in your etc fstab file. > > I have a USB adapter for an IDE laptop drive. It errored out with a > > disk check entry. Something about USB is loaded after other programs. > > I changed the entry to 0, 0 and the drive mounted and did not lockup > > any more. > > > > This is a reply anyway. I hope it leads you in the right direction anyway. > > It's nice, but doesn't address Firewire drives, particularly the BUSLink > 48x12x48 CDRW drive that works with RH 9. > I'm drawing attention again, since I don't believe anyone has chimed in > on the firewire issue and these nptl kernels. Since > we're approaching beta2 soon, it would be nice to here more on this from > anyone at RH. > > Raxet > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 15:52:36 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <3F705CD6.8060304@coresma.com> from "Pavel Rosenboim" at Med 23, 2003 05:46:46 Message-ID: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to say the least. > > For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately takes a "free nor not at all" > > approach. > > There exist non-GPLd kernel modules, though (NVIDIA drivers,etc...). Do > you want to say that they are illegal? As I said consult a lawyer. A body of people including the FSF certainly believe they are. From pavelr at coresma.com Tue Sep 23 16:12:29 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:12:29 +0300 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7070ED.1020902@coresma.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>>Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to say the least. >>>For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately takes a "free nor not at all" >>>approach. >> >>There exist non-GPLd kernel modules, though (NVIDIA drivers,etc...). Do >>you want to say that they are illegal? > > > As I said consult a lawyer. A body of people including the FSF certainly > believe they are. Hmm, I'm sure NVIDIA, ATI and other companies that release binary kernel modules did consult their lawyers. From hosting at j2solutions.net Tue Sep 23 16:16:22 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:16:22 -0700 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <3F7070ED.1020902@coresma.com> References: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F7070ED.1020902@coresma.com> Message-ID: <200309230916.22661.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 23 September 2003 09:12, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Hmm, I'm sure NVIDIA, ATI and other companies that release binary > kernel modules did consult their lawyers. You'd think so, but it's suprising what companies will do when they think they're in the right, before a lawyer catches a wift of whats going on... -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From maxer1 at xmission.com Tue Sep 23 16:18:26 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (Raxet) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:18:26 -0600 Subject: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD In-Reply-To: <1064330826.18593.5.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> Message-ID: <000001c381ee$51797620$930ffea9@Print> Beg to disagree on rescan-scsi-bus.sh finding any Firewire. Not here. My BUSLink is not detected. It's an external CDRW drive. Again, this device is found with ol RH 9 but not Severn. Any further advice would be welcome. Raxet -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Vidyut Luther Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:27 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: IEEE1394, SBP2 and External Firewire HDD Thanks to all who replied and gave suggestions. I tried Ben Hsu's advice, and ran rescan-scsi-bus.sh it finds and assigns all the id's correctly. as for the CDROM drive, for now, I turned off smartd, and it works fine. As for the USB/FireWire Storage ... I have a USB "all-in-one" card reader for my camera, and my firewire drive, if both are hooked up to the same computer, the USB storage kicks in first, so the USB device gets /dev/sda , and Firewire gets /dev/sdb I have to see how the card reads when I have a memory stick, and a SD card in at the same time, will it then push the firewire out to sdc ? I will do a clean install of Beta 2 this weekend, to see if the installer has fixed the issue, if not I guess we'll see how to make it work in beta 2. Once beta 2 comes out, i'll document my findings and put it up on the web for all to see. On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:08, raxet wrote: > Jim - 815 PIII wrote: > > > Vidyut Luther wrote: > > > >> Hi, I tried to lookup anyone else who had the same problem as me > >> with Severn and IEEE1394, I found the following message.. > >> > >> > >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00464.htm > >> l > >> > >> My problem is pretty much the same, I can not install Severn with > >> the drive on, if I turn the drive off, I can get the installer to > >> work. Once the installation is done, I can't boot into the box, > >> until the I turn the drive off again. > >> > >> I did not have this problem with 9.0, but with Severn (all packages > >> updated from the Severn channel (including kernel)), does not want > >> to work with my drive. This is a small problem for me, as all my > >> music is on the drive, and I'd like to listen to music while > >> working. On my 9.0 system, I could see the drive as /dev/sda and I > >> could mount /dev/sda1 /mnt etc, without an issue. > >> > >> I have a feeling this also has to do with my cdrom not working in > >> Severn as well. I have a plextor 52x32x48 CDRW, grub has the line > >> appended to say hdc=ide-scsi , but dmesg gives seek errors. But > >> i'll work on that after I get the firewire to work. Nobody > >> responded to the other guy, I'm hoping someone will help me. > >> > > > > I have had plenty of CDROM problems with the prior beta. One of the > > problems surrounded the hdx=ide-scsi addition to the kernel. Removing > > the additional line allowed me to burn from my writer without any > > problems. > > > > Here is the cdrom related excerpt from /etc/fstab. (symlinks can > > obscure what is really going on. See symlinks below) > > > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > > > symlinks point to below: > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 18 17:25 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/scd1 > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 15, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu31a > > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 24, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/cdu535 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Sep 22 17:20 /dev/cdwriter -> /dev/sg1 > > > > in my /boot/grub/grub.conf file. I have the following settings. I > > haven't tried to burn a cdrom recently. The last time I burned a cd > > was with hdd=ide-scsi removed from the kernel. You should be able to > > copy the text for your working kernel. Paste it below your present > > entry. Rename it to designate that no ide-scsi is there. (Such as RHL > > no ide-scsi in the title. Remove the ide-scsi parameter, then save the > > file and reboot your system into that kernel version. Then try the > > cdrom out and the drive. > > > > title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-20.9) > > root (hd1,0) > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-20.9 ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi > > initrd /initrd-2.4.20-20.9.img > > > > ---- > > For the music drive. (My USB / IDE drive is used for the same > > purpose) > > > > As someone from Red Hat pointed out (bad w/ remembering names) The > > problem might be with the last two entries in your etc fstab file. I > > have a USB adapter for an IDE laptop drive. It errored out with a > > disk check entry. Something about USB is loaded after other > > programs. I changed the entry to 0, 0 and the drive mounted and did > > not lockup any more. > > > > This is a reply anyway. I hope it leads you in the right direction > > anyway. > > It's nice, but doesn't address Firewire drives, particularly the > BUSLink > 48x12x48 CDRW drive that works with RH 9. > I'm drawing attention again, since I don't believe anyone has chimed in > on the firewire issue and these nptl kernels. Since > we're approaching beta2 soon, it would be nice to here more on this from > anyone at RH. > > Raxet > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From chrisw01 at privatei.com Tue Sep 23 16:50:43 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:50:43 -0600 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> References: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 06:46, nosp wrote: > Please let's not start a war. Just deal with what people use unless > it's horribly wrong and could use correction -- then do it as a reply to > the offending post. At the least a link to an authoritative netiquette > site would justify your request. I did a quick google search and > quickly found that business users / newer internet users are thought to > be the typical top-posters (as an old internet user and a business user, > I can corroborate that). > > Below are some discussions I found. Bottom line: bottom-posting is the > norm for usenet news and should be the default (but not only) option for > geek email. Of note, the default setting in Ximian Evolution is for top-posting. Anyone know how to change the default for that? Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From limbo at bluethingy.com Tue Sep 23 16:58:36 2003 From: limbo at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:58:36 -0700 Subject: "Licensed" codes In-Reply-To: <20030923150107.GB4568@redhat.com> References: <20030922183614.24748.25938.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F6FBEAF.1080701@ispaceonline.org> <3F6FC585.2060402@eburg.com> <3F7055B9.6070702@cypress.com> <20030923150107.GB4568@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064336315.2814.11.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:01, Jay Turner wrote: > Think about it, as soon as they allow for this type of > exemption, then everyone that wishes to use the codecs will just GPL their > players and no one would need to pay for a license anymore. > Do you really think Microsoft would GPL Windows Media Player? From pavelr at coresma.com Tue Sep 23 17:09:56 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:09:56 +0300 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F707E64.2050309@coresma.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>>Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to say the least. >>>For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately takes a "free nor not at all" >>>approach. >> >>There exist non-GPLd kernel modules, though (NVIDIA drivers,etc...). Do >>you want to say that they are illegal? > > > As I said consult a lawyer. A body of people including the FSF certainly > believe they are. > Well, if we define 'derivative' in SCO way, then plugins and kernel modules must be GPLd :) Seriously, I had and impression that only static linking "enforces" GPL and dynamically linked code doesn't. Especially in the case of loaded-on-demand plugins. But IANAL either. Pavel. From smoogen at lanl.gov Tue Sep 23 17:26:21 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:26:21 -0600 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <3F707E64.2050309@coresma.com> References: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F707E64.2050309@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1064337981.16351.21.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 11:09, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > > >>>Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to say the least. > >>>For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately takes a "free nor not at all" > >>>approach. > >> > >>There exist non-GPLd kernel modules, though (NVIDIA drivers,etc...). Do > >>you want to say that they are illegal? > > > > > > As I said consult a lawyer. A body of people including the FSF certainly > > believe they are. > > > > Well, if we define 'derivative' in SCO way, then plugins and kernel > modules must be GPLd :) In that case, SCO derived it from the FSF as they have been the ones who have been harping on this for years. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From yinyang at eburg.com Tue Sep 23 17:26:55 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:26:55 -0700 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F70825F.2030808@eburg.com> Mark A. Hoover wrote: >> >>The problem is not that Red Hat would have to provide them for free. >>The problem is that the applications you mention are all licensed under >>the GPL, and that license is fairly stubbornly opposed to any additional >>restrictions beyond those it describes. > > > I'll give you this one, only if you can tell me what would prevent > something like mPlayer being released GPL, and the codec plugin from being > released as a seperate binary only package? The availability of a codec that is not GPL licensed? Someone could write a binary only codec and acquire the needed patent license. No suitable codec exists, though, and it would take a great deal of effort to write one, since you couldn't use any of the existing GPL licensed code. From tcallawa at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 17:36:58 2003 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: 23 Sep 2003 12:36:58 -0500 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1064338617.13749.67.camel@zorak> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 11:50, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Of note, the default setting in Ximian Evolution is for top-posting. > Anyone know how to change the default for that? I've been using Evolution for quite some time now, and while it does place the cursor at the top of the email by default, it is trivial to scroll the reply down and type at the bottom. Like I'm doing right now. Its a courtesy thing. Its the difference between holding the door for that extra second, and letting it go immediately so it hits the person behind you. Sure, you can argue that the door should be smart and auto sense the presence of that second person and hold itself open, but is it really that hard to just hold it open for an extra second? ~spot --- Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader "The author's mathematical treatment of the conception of purpose is novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to be published." -- Aldous Huxley From yinyang at eburg.com Tue Sep 23 17:41:33 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:41:33 -0700 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <20030923111744.68cb669f.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030923111744.68cb669f.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <3F7085CD.4000900@eburg.com> Matthias Saou wrote: > You're saying that as if it hadn't ever existed outside of fedora.us, ouch, > really ouch :-( > > Matthias Some of us still remember that freshrpms came along before Fedora did :) From sds at gnu.org Tue Sep 23 17:41:16 2003 From: sds at gnu.org (Sam Steingold) Date: 23 Sep 2003 13:41:16 -0400 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <3F707E64.2050309@coresma.com> References: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F707E64.2050309@coresma.com> Message-ID: > * Pavel Rosenboim [2003-09-23 20:09:56 +0300]: > > Alan Cox wrote: > > >>>Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to > >>>say the least. For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately > >>>takes a "free nor not at all" approach. > >> > >>There exist non-GPLd kernel modules, though (NVIDIA drivers,etc...). > >>Do you want to say that they are illegal? the _modules_ are of course legal (as in "you can write and use them yourself"), but you cannot _distribute_ them without the sources, at least according to the way FSF interprets GPL. If the copyright holders of the Linux kernel think differently (and, but all means, it is their right!), they might consider adding a clause which clarifies what they mean, like the CLISP maintainers did in their COPYRIGHT file [1]. > > As I said consult a lawyer. A body of people including the FSF > > certainly believe they are. > > > > Well, if we define 'derivative' in SCO way, then plugins and kernel > modules must be GPLd :) > > Seriously, I had and impression that only static linking "enforces" > GPL and dynamically linked code doesn't. Especially in the case of > loaded-on-demand plugins. But IANAL either. IIUC, dynamic vs static is irrelevant (e.g., even if you link against libreadline.so, not libreadline.a, you still must use GPL). a "thumb rule" could be this: does the program in question (kernel module in this case) "make sense" (is useful, will run) without the GPLed program (the Linux kernel in this case)? If not, then it is an extension and is therefore covered by the GPL. IANAL. [1] : License - why GNU GPL? Because CLISP uses GNU readline. Note that this does not necessarily prevent you from distributing your proprietary products based on CLISP. See Note in COPYRIGHT. -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. From pavelr at coresma.com Tue Sep 23 17:47:14 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:47:14 +0300 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: References: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F707E64.2050309@coresma.com> Message-ID: <3F708722.5090504@coresma.com> Sam Steingold wrote: >>* Pavel Rosenboim [2003-09-23 20:09:56 +0300]: >> >>Alan Cox wrote: >> >> >>>>>Consult a lawyer. The definition of 'derivative' is complicated to >>>>>say the least. For actual GPL code the GPL itself deliberately >>>>>takes a "free nor not at all" approach. >>>> >>>>There exist non-GPLd kernel modules, though (NVIDIA drivers,etc...). >>>>Do you want to say that they are illegal? > > > the _modules_ are of course legal (as in "you can write and use them > yourself"), but you cannot _distribute_ them without the sources, > at least according to the way FSF interprets GPL. Well, NVIDIA distributes its modules without sources, and so do other companies. > > If the copyright holders of the Linux kernel think differently (and, but > all means, it is their right!), they might consider adding a clause > which clarifies what they mean, like the CLISP maintainers did in their > COPYRIGHT file [1]. > > From j.sanchezf at terra.es Tue Sep 23 17:52:36 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:52:36 +0200 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. References: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1064338617.13749.67.camel@zorak> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:36:58 -0500, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > I've been using Evolution for quite some time now, and while it does > place the cursor at the top of the email by default, it is trivial to > scroll the reply down and type at the bottom. Like I'm doing right now. Besides, it has been argued that placing the cursor at the top is better since it makes easier to trim down the quoted text on your way down, that one should do most times anyway. Otherwise, some people will just quote everything and add their answer at the end that, arguably, is even worse. I think most people agree that either use is occasionally right, but that what is an absolute no-no is to contribute to a cascade of messages, each longer than the precedent and each being longer and longer with lower and lower new content to quotation ratio. Old timers either learned it this way or they have come to appreciate the style with time. It is newbies that find it hard. Personally, I prefer to have the cursor left at top. Julio From nosp at xades.com Tue Sep 23 17:54:18 2003 From: nosp at xades.com (nosp) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:54:18 +0100 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1064339658.2965.48.camel@earth.xades.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 17:50, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Of note, the default setting in Ximian Evolution is for top-posting. > Anyone know how to change the default for that? I'm sure I saw it a few weeks ago, but I can't find it in Severn's Evo 1.4.4. Googling is just turning up the top/bottom-posting debat, and I can't find an (open) RFE in Ximian bugzilla. Can anyone else find it? From hosting at j2solutions.net Tue Sep 23 17:58:25 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:58:25 -0700 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: References: <1064338617.13749.67.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <200309231058.25792.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 23 September 2003 10:52, Julio Sanchez wrote: > Besides, it has been argued that placing the cursor at the top is > better since it makes easier to trim down the quoted text on your way > down, that one should do most times anyway. > > Otherwise, some people will just quote everything and add their > answer at the end that, arguably, is even worse. Smart quoting helps this out quite a bit. It's a shame that smartquoting isn't available in more email clients. Smart quoting is when you can highlight a portion of text in the original message, hit reply, and only the highlighted part of the message gets quoted. It's amazingly easy to use/get used to, and once you've been using it for a while, it's a nightmare to give up. Kmail has this functionality, as well as Sylpheed. As for others.... -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From Dax at GuruLabs.com Tue Sep 23 18:12:26 2003 From: Dax at GuruLabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:12:26 -0600 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1064340746.2905.47.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:02, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I need a firewall that will work with ipsec. It needs to pass protocols 50 + > 51. I don't want to write all the rules by hand, I'd like to find a > reasonable firewall setup script that I could just add a couple of lines to. > Actually, a gui would be great. > > I have tried: > > redhat-config-securitylevel > firestarter > shorewall > > None seemed to do the job. Several could open ports, but only for tcp and > udp, whereas I need other protocols (50 and 51). > > Any suggestions? Try redhat-config-securitylevel v1.2.8 or above. It allows protocols 50 and 51. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From Dax at GuruLabs.com Tue Sep 23 18:15:32 2003 From: Dax at GuruLabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:15:32 -0600 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <1064327231.1314.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> <1064324228.4050.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1064327231.1314.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <1064340932.2905.51.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:27, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > However, he will find another pitfall that I've > been unable to resolve and it's that once IPSec traffic passes by the > firewall, there is no way to perform additional filtering based on > TCP/UDP ports for example. > > Thus, if you enable ESP/AH (protocols 50 and 51), you will in fact > enable *any* IPSec-protected traffic to pass through the firewall, > without being able to filter that IPSec traffic based on TCP/UDP ports, > for example. This concern should only apply to ESP not AH. However, using the IPSec builtin to the 2.6 kernel (or backed ported to the 2.4 kerne) you'll find that once the ESP packet is allowed, the *inner* packet then takes a trip through through the firewire rules (again). This way you can filter ESP packets as well as the inner packet. Your concern then goes away. If you are using FreeSWAN, then you can filter the ports by applying your rules to the ipsec0 interface. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From pcompton at proteinmedia.com Tue Sep 23 18:22:56 2003 From: pcompton at proteinmedia.com (Phillip Compton) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:22:56 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... packages due to licensing issues" In-Reply-To: <3F7085CD.4000900@eburg.com> References: <3F6F23D3.90108@TemporalArts.com> <20030922135613.B26564@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030923111744.68cb669f.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F7085CD.4000900@eburg.com> Message-ID: <1064341376.3034.0.camel@GreenTea> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 13:41, Gordon Messmer wrote: > Matthias Saou wrote: > > You're saying that as if it hadn't ever existed outside of fedora.us, ouch, > > really ouch :-( > > > > Matthias > > Some of us still remember that freshrpms came along before Fedora did :) Matthias actually inspired fedora. Phil From hp at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 18:37:19 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 23 Sep 2003 14:37:19 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1064342239.26087.31.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 21:29, rg wrote: > > JK, below, makes a good point. If you call it something as seemingly > abstract on the end user's end as xxx project, the average joe looking > for a Linux distro is likely to pass right over it. If said 'joe' does > not, and goes on to install it, he or she is most likely going to call > it Fedora Linux anyway. This abstraction in regard to naming because of > the possibility of a future BSD based release is beyond the average user > - the distinction is one for developers. Also, the naming of the > downloadable distro as Fedora Core, sounds more like a naming for the > kernel to the average joe; it does not sound like a full distro. Again, > this distinction seems more aimed at developers than end users. The Fedora Project _is_ aimed more at developers, early adopters, and other people that follow the open source world closely. It's not a home desktop product, or a commercial product at all. "Fedora Core" distinguishes the core from the Extras, Alternatives, etc. - if you write "Fedora Linux" people might think that means the whole pile of stuff hosted on the Fedora Project site so it's more confusing. It looks like the installer for the next test release will say "Fedora Core Test 1" or something like that and the splash screen says "Fedora Core" > This points to a continuous failing in the Linux community at large - > while it pays lip service to end users, it is still too developer > oriented. Call it geek-oriented if you like, but the average end user > who puts Linux on his or her desktop is not interested in technical > nuances and possible future BSD releases - the average user doesn't even > know or care what BSD is. Fedora Core doesn't pay lip service to home desktop users. It explicitly says on the site that developers and open source enthusiasts and so forth are the target audience. > Also, if you guys are masking the Red Hat heritage of the 'distro', how > is the average person supposed to even know that the logical follow up > to RH9 is Fedora Project? They aren't supposed to know that, because for many people it isn't true. See http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html Many people should be buying a commercial product. Don't make assumptions about pricing or about retail, read the FAQ carefully on that point. Havoc From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 19:06:09 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 23 Sep 2003 16:06:09 -0300 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <3F708722.5090504@coresma.com> References: <200309231552.h8NFqaF21449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F707E64.2050309@coresma.com> <3F708722.5090504@coresma.com> Message-ID: On Sep 23, 2003, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Well, NVIDIA distributes its modules without sources, and so do other > companies. Which means they may just have chosen to take the risk and bet that the copyright holders of Linux (the kernel) won't all get together and sue them for infringement. Or they believe their proprietary module to not be a derivative, because it wasn't written specifically for Linux, and that only the glue code, for which they provide sources, is a derivative, so only that would be subject to the GNU GPL. There are several possibilities on the table. Theories abound. The truth, only their lawyers know. #include -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Tue Sep 23 19:09:26 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:09:26 +0200 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <1064340932.2905.51.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> <1064324228.4050.16.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1064327231.1314.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <1064340932.2905.51.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <1064344165.1279.5.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 20:15, Dax Kelson wrote: > This concern should only apply to ESP not AH. However, using the IPSec > builtin to the 2.6 kernel (or backed ported to the 2.4 kerne) you'll > find that once the ESP packet is allowed, the *inner* packet then takes > a trip through through the firewire rules (again). > > This way you can filter ESP packets as well as the inner packet. The last time I tried (2.6.0-test3 running on both ends), it didn't work: opening both protocol 50 and 51 make IPSec packets go trough, but they didn't pass normal filters. I have a simple filter that only allows incoming traffic using ESTABLISHED and RELATED conntrack modules. However, allowing ESP and AH traffic makes *any* IPSec traffic from being able to pass through. Can you write out what iptable commands would you use to stop any incoming traffic from passing (either IP or IPSec) except for ESTABLISHED and RELATED? Thanks! From nbecker at hns.com Tue Sep 23 19:19:45 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:19:45 -0400 Subject: firewall + ipsec? In-Reply-To: <1064340932.2905.51.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> References: <200309230902.34324.nbecker@hns.com> <1064327231.1314.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> <1064340932.2905.51.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <200309231519.45970.nbecker@hns.com> On Tuesday 23 September 2003 02:15 pm, Dax Kelson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:27, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > > However, he will find another pitfall that I've > > been unable to resolve and it's that once IPSec traffic passes by the > > firewall, there is no way to perform additional filtering based on > > TCP/UDP ports for example. > > > > Thus, if you enable ESP/AH (protocols 50 and 51), you will in fact > > enable *any* IPSec-protected traffic to pass through the firewall, > > without being able to filter that IPSec traffic based on TCP/UDP ports, > > for example. > > This concern should only apply to ESP not AH. However, using the IPSec > builtin to the 2.6 kernel (or backed ported to the 2.4 kerne) you'll > find that once the ESP packet is allowed, the *inner* packet then takes > a trip through through the firewire rules (again). > > This way you can filter ESP packets as well as the inner packet. > > Your concern then goes away. > > If you are using FreeSWAN, then you can filter the ports by applying > your rules to the ipsec0 interface. > Actually, I'm testing Netlock VPN client for Nortel server. AFAIK, FreeSWAN won't interoperate with Nortel's server, or at least, not as my employer has it configured (which is not under my control). From rhking at cinci.rr.com Tue Sep 23 19:24:29 2003 From: rhking at cinci.rr.com (Salane King) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:24:29 -0400 Subject: up2date and signatures In-Reply-To: <20030922155458.387fe5d6.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> References: <20030922155458.387fe5d6.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> Message-ID: <200309231524.29928.rhking@cinci.rr.com> On Monday 22 September 2003 09:54 am, h.breimer wrote: > The pubkeys I have installed are: > > $ rpm -qa gpg-pubkey > gpg-pubkey-db42a60e-37ea5438 > gpg-pubkey-e418e3aa-3f439953 > > Initially after installing the second key up2date was happy with all > packages. > After a while some passed OK, others not. > Now it complains with all packages again. > > What did I miss? > I can allways use nosig of course, but that does not satisfy curiosity. > > Henk > > > -- > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list You probably missed one gpg-pubkey-897da07a-3c979a7f you will find it herehttp://www.redhat.com/solutions/security/news/publickey.html -- Salane King From hosting at j2solutions.net Tue Sep 23 19:30:21 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:30:21 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <1064342239.26087.31.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <1064342239.26087.31.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309231230.22001.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 23 September 2003 11:37, Havoc Pennington wrote: > They aren't supposed to know that, because for many people it isn't > true. See http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html > > Many people should be buying a commercial product. Don't make > assumptions about pricing or about retail, read the FAQ carefully on > that point. Great. Now when will RHEL become actually AFFORDABLE for non-multimillion a year cooperations? When can I, as an IHV, actually be able to sell RHEL w/out being hung up on and laughed at due to extreme prices for the software, when said customer can go with many many other cheaper solutions? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Tue Sep 23 19:39:05 2003 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Douglas Stewart) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:39:05 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <200309231230.22001.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <1064342239.26087.31.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> <200309231230.22001.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F70A159.8000309@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Keating wrote: | Great. Now when will RHEL become actually AFFORDABLE for | non-multimillion a year cooperations? When can I, as an IHV, actually | be able to sell RHEL w/out being hung up on and laughed at due to | extreme prices for the software, when said customer can go with many | many other cheaper solutions? | Hear, hear! - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/cKFYN50Q8DVvcvkRAojWAJ47IFQ8n1XNVfV5mn20lZi8BlTW2wCeIe8x x4hl7YsTDyiEw1unuDYCS/M= =syQR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdow at earthlink.net Tue Sep 23 19:53:32 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:53:32 -0700 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. References: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> Message-ID: <043d01c3820c$5e3eac90$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "nosp" > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 12:59, ne... wrote: > > Could you please, please configure your e-mail clients > > to not top post. > > Please let's not start a war. Just deal with what people use unless > it's horribly wrong and could use correction -- then do it as a reply to > the offending post. At the least a link to an authoritative netiquette > site would justify your request. I did a quick google search and > quickly found that business users / newer internet users are thought to > be the typical top-posters (as an old internet user and a business user, > I can corroborate that). > > Below are some discussions I found. Bottom line: bottom-posting is the > norm for usenet news and should be the default (but not only) option for > geek email. > > [Authoritative] Jargon Dictionary: > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html (note justifications are > mostly outdated) > > [Authoritative] Dan's Mail Format Site: > http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/ > > Origin of bottom-posting and anti-top-posters on Usenet: > http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html > > Slighty-pro top-posting rant: http://www.lionsgrove.com/topposting.html > > Slightly-anti top-posting rant: > http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_stv0.htm > > Mozilla to allow (not default) top-posting & why: > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62429#c77 > > Blind usenet readers don't like top-posting: > http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_chr0.htm > > Martin > > PS--for the record, I'm all for top-posting on small threads like this > one. rg's hopefully ironic reply to your post was a perfect example. Your approach is best. A proper geek is NOT an anal retentive like a bean counter or bureaucrat. {^_-} From jdow at earthlink.net Tue Sep 23 19:56:15 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:56:15 -0700 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. References: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1064338617.13749.67.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <044401c3820c$bf471130$2eedfea9@kittycat> Of course, being anal retentive about top and bottom posting is a real mark of a non-geel. Um, it DOES say you're in sales down there. {^_-} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom "spot" Callaway" > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 11:50, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > Of note, the default setting in Ximian Evolution is for top-posting. > > Anyone know how to change the default for that? > > I've been using Evolution for quite some time now, and while it does > place the cursor at the top of the email by default, it is trivial to > scroll the reply down and type at the bottom. Like I'm doing right now. > > Its a courtesy thing. Its the difference between holding the door for > that extra second, and letting it go immediately so it hits the person > behind you. Sure, you can argue that the door should be smart and auto > sense the presence of that second person and hold itself open, but is it > really that hard to just hold it open for an extra second? > > ~spot > --- > Tom "spot" Callaway LCA, RHCE > Red Hat Sales Engineer || Aurora SPARC Linux Project Leader From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 19:58:43 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:58:43 -0400 Subject: Status of RHN Subscriptions In-Reply-To: <1064325354.4050.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com>; from paul.morgan@jumanjihouse.com on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:55:55AM -0500 References: <1064325354.4050.29.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <20030923155843.A20962@devserv.devel.redhat.com> I'm responding with my best understanding based on the latest information I have. I believe it to be correct, but it is not an official statement of Red Hat. As a paid RHN subscriber, you can always ask questions via rhn-feedback (click on "help" and then on "Contact RHN" while logged in on RHN) if you have more questions. On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:55:55AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > If I bought the boxed set of Red Hat Linux and purchased subscriptions > to RHN, what happens next? > > Do I lose up2dates for the remainder of my subscription? No, you do not lose the service. > Do I renew my subscription (one expires in a week or two)? Yes, you may do so. > Do my paid subscriptions get bumped up to RHEL WS? No. They are good for Red Hat Linux (while updates are available for it) and will transfer to RHN service for Fedora Core. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From hosting at j2solutions.net Tue Sep 23 21:04:56 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:04:56 -0700 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: <20030923205335.GB20714@iadonisi.to> References: <200309231058.25792.hosting@j2solutions.net> <20030923205335.GB20714@iadonisi.to> Message-ID: <200309231404.56316.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Tuesday 23 September 2003 13:53, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Never heard of this feature. Sounds intriguing. The only problem > I might see with it (depending on how it's implemented) is that I > often like to have an entire message included in my composer and > selectively trim and respond to individual portions below the > relevant portion and [snip]ping other parts out. Now a mail client > with the ability to highlight *multiple* parts of a message you're > replying to within the compose window and have it do all the snipping > and interleaving...THAT would be cool. Like: > Highlight various portions of the message > Right click on one highlighted passage and select, 'reply to this > passage' Small window or pane in the current window opens and you > type your reply Repeat last two steps 'til your done Right, I'd like to at least see the multi-highlight work, so it quotes multiple parts. Even still it's not too bad to highlight the smallest amount that captures enough of what you want to quote, then just intersperse your reply throughout the commented portion. (thats what I did here) > Disclaimer: This was an off-the-cuff post. I don't claim that this > comes anywhere *near* HIG compliance or that it wouldn't be a > nightmare to implement. ;-) True, but off-the-cuff ideas are what bring good and cool features into our applications. Don't be afraid to sound outthere w/ an idea (; -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Sep 23 21:11:41 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:11:41 -0400 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <20030923195305.6354.7992.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030923195305.6354.7992.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F70B70D.8060908@ispaceonline.org> From: Gordon Messmer >> I'll give you this one, only if you can tell me what would prevent >> something like mPlayer being released GPL, and the codec plugin from >> being released as a seperate binary only package? > >The availability of a codec that is not GPL licensed? Someone could >write a binary only codec and acquire the needed patent license. No >suitable codec exists, though, and it would take a great deal of effort >to write one, since you couldn't use any of the existing GPL licensed >code. I'm not saying code it from scratch. I'm saying that some company could make some money off this buy buying the codec license and then selling the binary (no source) codec that could be installed as a plugin. From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Tue Sep 23 21:17:47 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:17:47 -0400 Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <20030923195305.6354.7992.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030923195305.6354.7992.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F70B87B.1070500@ispaceonline.org> From: Pavel Rosenboim >> the _modules_ are of course legal (as in "you can write and use them >> yourself"), but you cannot _distribute_ them without the sources, >> at least according to the way FSF interprets GPL. > > Well, NVIDIA distributes its modules without sources, and so do other > companies. Actually, you can see the code to the interface layer. You just can't get the code for the driver itself. A compromise that I for one am willing to live with...... From the nVidia driver faq: Q: How can I see the source code to the kernel interface layer? A: The source files to the kernel interface layer are in the usr/src/nv directory of the extracted .run file. To get to these sources, run: sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg1.run --extract-only cd NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg1/usr/src/nv/ From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 21:55:30 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <20030923211459.GC20714@iadonisi.to> from "Paul Iadonisi" at Med 23, 2003 05:14:59 Message-ID: <200309232155.h8NLtUF06510@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Well, depending on the new trademark rules for the Fedora name and > associated logo(s), there may be plenty of opportunities for third party > Fedora Core based products. Even if they aren't lenient enough, I for The goal is to make those opportunities happen, but to protect the thing itself (ie Fedora Core is the official Fedora Core etc), but expecting people to also bundle other stuff with it in many cases, and likewise to recognize that the ability to charge a certain amount for redistribution encourages a lot more ways to get copies. The exact rules are something the legal folks have to draft but its mostly a case of turning those goals into watertight valid legal language. From ivo at ra.vendomar.ee Tue Sep 23 21:59:56 2003 From: ivo at ra.vendomar.ee (Ivo Sarak) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:59:56 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Mounting samba shares does not work anymore. In-Reply-To: <20030923211459.GC20714@iadonisi.to> Message-ID: Hello, With 9.0.93 Severn Beta the following command is working: "mount -t smbfs -o username=guest,password=foobar //machine/share /mountpoint" After upgrade to 9.0.93 Severn Beta Upgrade (aka Fedora), this command is failing with: "Server requested plaintext password but 'client use plaintext auth' is disabled xxxx: tree connect failed: SUCCESS - 0" How do I enable 'client use plaintext auth'? Regards, Ivo Sa"rak. From dennis at ausil.us Tue Sep 23 22:29:31 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:29:31 +1000 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309240829.33844.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:19 am, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > why cant update cds be made for these users? > > I can't see why people wouldn't make update CDs. > Volunteers ? > > Now, if there are no volunteers you have your > answer ;) Im more than willing to create and distribute one From chabotc at 4-ice.com Tue Sep 23 22:47:09 2003 From: chabotc at 4-ice.com (Chris Chabot) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:47:09 +0200 Subject: Fedora Project: Announcing New Direction In-Reply-To: <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F70CD6D.2090104@4-ice.com> Hi All, An open question to the fedora lists, will there be a fedora-developer list at some point? It seems the existing lists are currently flooded with a lot of trafic, which might make it hard to participate in development related discussions, as they might get lost in the high volumes. Personally i am quite fond of the gnome lists model, a list per topic (desktop, nautilus, translations, etc), plus a list (gnome-hackers@) which is read only accept for the project developers. Ofcource outside posts can still reach this list, but they will be moderated first. An active and high volume generating community is a great thing to have, but it would be great to have a low trafic list where one could bounce actual ideas & patches around Kind regards & the very best with getting the fedora project off the ground! -- Chris Chabot Michael K. Johnson wrote: >Red Hat and Fedora Linux are pleased to announce an alignment of their >mutually complementary core proficiencies leveraging them synergistically >in the creation of the Fedora Project, a paradigm shift for Linux >technology development and rolling early deployment models. > > From hp at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 23:09:35 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 23 Sep 2003 19:09:35 -0400 Subject: Fedora Project: Announcing New Direction In-Reply-To: <3F70CD6D.2090104@4-ice.com> References: <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F70CD6D.2090104@4-ice.com> Message-ID: <1064358574.26099.103.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 18:47, Chris Chabot wrote: > An open question to the fedora lists, will there be a fedora-developer > list at some point? You mean fedora-devel-list? Yes, it's there now. Feel free to politely remind people to stay on-topic. > It seems the existing lists are currently flooded > with a lot of trafic, which might make it hard to participate in > development related discussions, as they might get lost in the high volumes. Crossposting to all 4 lists isn't going to help. :-P Havoc From kaboom at gatech.edu Tue Sep 23 23:13:23 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Fedora Project: Announcing New Direction In-Reply-To: <3F70CD6D.2090104@4-ice.com> References: <20030922113442.E21551@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F70CD6D.2090104@4-ice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Chris Chabot wrote: > Hi All, > > An open question to the fedora lists, will there be a fedora-developer > list at some point? It seems the existing lists are currently flooded > with a lot of trafic, which might make it hard to participate in > development related discussions, as they might get lost in the high volumes. > > Personally i am quite fond of the gnome lists model, a list per topic > (desktop, nautilus, translations, etc), plus a list (gnome-hackers@) > which is read only accept for the project developers. Ofcource outside > posts can still reach this list, but they will be moderated first. > > An active and high volume generating community is a great thing to have, > but it would be great to have a low trafic list where one could bounce > actual ideas & patches around Not meant as a flame, but cross-posting the same message to 5 lists as you just did is a large part of why there's a lot of traffic on these lists.... It'd be nice if people picked the one list their message is applicable to and posted it there, rather than cross-posting so extensively as people have been doing regularly on these lists to date.... Not that it matters for those of us who've set up duplicate Message ID suppression, but we're probably a minority ;-) later, chris From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Sep 24 00:26:04 2003 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:26:04 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <200309232155.h8NLtUF06510@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030923211459.GC20714@iadonisi.to> <200309232155.h8NLtUF06510@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030924002604.GA13941@jadzia.bu.edu> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:55:30PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > The goal is to make those opportunities happen, but to protect the thing > itself (ie Fedora Core is the official Fedora Core etc), but expecting > people to also bundle other stuff with it in many cases, and likewise to > recognize that the ability to charge a certain amount for redistribution > encourages a lot more ways to get copies. > The exact rules are something the legal folks have to draft but its mostly > a case of turning those goals into watertight valid legal language. Could we keep the "You can't say that your thing is based on ours" language out of this one? -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 00:29:32 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <20030924002604.GA13941@jadzia.bu.edu> from "Matthew Miller" at Med 23, 2003 08:26:04 Message-ID: <200309240029.h8O0TWp12614@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:55:30PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > > The goal is to make those opportunities happen, but to protect the thing > > itself (ie Fedora Core is the official Fedora Core etc), but expecting > > people to also bundle other stuff with it in many cases, and likewise to > > recognize that the ability to charge a certain amount for redistribution > > encourages a lot more ways to get copies. > > The exact rules are something the legal folks have to draft but its mostly > > a case of turning those goals into watertight valid legal language. > > Could we keep the "You can't say that your thing is based on ours" language > out of this one? In some cases. You don't want to order a Fedora Core CD and find its not Fedora for example. In the case of people mastering and releasing authentic Fedora images (and possibly other stuff bundled with it) the intention is that you'll be allowed to call it "Fedora". So hopefully lots of people will be selling Fedora CD's From dsavage at peaknet.net Wed Sep 24 01:38:04 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:38:04 -0500 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower Message-ID: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> We now return to our regularly scheduled beta testing in progress... I keep my Severn system regularly up2dated. Lately I've noticed when I select "Log out" the display no longer darkens smoothly. Now it makes three distinct passes -- each a little darker than before and separated by a half beat -- as it displays "Are you sure you want to log off?" My X configuration is: ATI Rage 128 Mobility LCD Panel 1600x1200 DefaultDepth 24 XFree86 4.3.0-32 Is anyone else noticing this behavior? Mike Harris? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From dsavage at peaknet.net Wed Sep 24 01:45:28 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:45:28 -0500 Subject: Bluecurve changes Message-ID: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Add my vote to those who prefer Shrike's Bluecurve to Severn's. The lines forming the min/max/close cluster in the upper right corner are much too thin. The blue corners that allowed simultaneous vertical and horizontal resizing are gone altogether. Call this one Bluecurve-Lite if you want, but please give us the original Bluecurve back. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Sep 24 01:58:56 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:58:56 -0400 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F70FA60.1020707@insight.rr.com> Jef Spaleta wrote: > rg wrote: > >>can one keep up to date with Test 1 => Test 2 via that route? > > > Can you? Better question, is updating from test 1 something you should > be testing? Is this something the development side want you to test? > > For recent rhl betas...upgrading from beta->beta or from beta->release > has not been supported. Any beta testers that use to do that were > working contrary to the engineering goals of the beta phase and were > summarily shot, as per Red Hat Community Population Control guidelines, > section 3 paragraph 1. I have a working system that I brought up from RHL 8.0 through the phoebe betas, then to RHL 9. This system is still working and is stable. I upgraded this way because of no dependable CDROM burner for my system. It was broken from upgrading to RHL 8.0 from RHL 7.3. I couldn't burn good discs until Phoebe3. Then decided to just upgrade to version 9, via up2date. I've had more trouble trying to go from RHL 7.3 to Severn and with doing a fresh install from discs. My problem was caused by a driver for my 3com vortx boomerang card being not included with Severn. This caused Mozilla to lockup, GNOME to lockup, logging into terminal problems and a substantial amount of other problems. Installing from a known state for the starting point of programs is an ideal. The ideal condition really doesn't do anything but foul up the beta testers machine to a random state. I like the progressive upgrading that up2date, in conjunction with repositories, like rawhide allows. This puts all users to the most current programs, if they update. It is also a smaller scale for changes and will catch more programs from interacting with each other, in smaller increments. > > Until the development side is ready to state that doing a major > distribution upgrade without install media (like from a repository), or > that a rolling release situation (like we have with ximian's desktop for > example), is going to be a development priority. I'm not really sure its > in the community's best interest for 'serious' beta testers to be trying > to upgrade from test1 to test2 without the install media. A dependable CD-burner might be needed though. > > Though a discussion of the pros/cons of allowing non-install media > release->release upgrades would probably be applicable now in certain > places other than this list...with an eye towards influencing later > release cycles. This "beta"/"test" cycle is more old policy than > new....like the webside says..this is evolutionary change in process not > revolutionary. > > I agree, the evolutionary changes will make a better progressive distribution. I opt for the repositories and a more universal core installation so everyone can at least connect to the Internet, have a fair GUI (No 3D until sanity checked system), A fair amount of text based tools to help those without a GUI to install their programs. (by choice or hardware misfortune) Anyway, I'm learning more about installing a beta that the older drivers are being removed. This introduces a lot of extra problems into the fold for longer termed RHL users. The 3com driver removal really caused a chain of problems for my severn beta installation. Jim From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Sep 24 02:08:13 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:08:13 -0400 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <3F703B44.5040800@tuins.ac.jp> References: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F703B44.5040800@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F70FC8D.9050300@insight.rr.com> rg wrote: > Jef Spaleta wrote: > >> rg wrote: >> >> >>> can one keep up to date with Test 1 => Test 2 via that route? >>> >> >> >> Can you? Better question, is updating from test 1 something you should >> be testing? Is this something the development side want you to test? >> >> For recent rhl betas...upgrading from beta->beta or from beta->release >> has not been supported. Any beta testers that use to do that were >> working contrary to the engineering goals of the beta phase and were >> summarily shot, as per Red Hat Community Population Control guidelines, >> section 3 paragraph 1. >> >> Until the development side is ready to state that doing a major >> distribution upgrade without install media (like from a repository), or >> that a rolling release situation (like we have with ximian's desktop for >> example), is going to be a development priority. I'm not really sure its >> in the community's best interest for 'serious' beta testers to be trying >> to upgrade from test1 to test2 without the install media. >> >> Though a discussion of the pros/cons of allowing non-install media >> release->release upgrades would probably be applicable now in certain >> places other than this list...with an eye towards influencing later >> release cycles. This "beta"/"test" cycle is more old policy than >> new....like the webside says..this is evolutionary change in process not >> revolutionary. >> >> >> >> > I am sure your point is well made, and maybe my phrasing was a bit > misleading. Of course, the only way to really 'test' the new version is > via the full install media-based method, but updating is the whole idea > of Rawhide, isn't it? Just a way to see what is going on and keeping > abreast of the action, so to speak. My question is simply that, in all > its innocence, is a ayo rawhide update equivalent of the rawhide updates > on the RH server? Whether this is the best method for "updating," or > whether doing such is updating at all is not what I am asking. The > question still stands. > > Why does everyone seem so testy today? The merger got people on edge? > > rg > With more methods of getting from one version to the next. You are more able to figure out where the problems are. You are coming from a stable system into a system with currently installed programs upgraded. You will find where the dependecies are and know the working environment a bit better (familiar with system). I tried both methods and did not try upgrading to rawhide until the up2date avenue was opened up. Some of the prior phoebe systems that were manually upgraded to rawhide were very unpredictable. Some forced installations of programs. This led to really broken beta candidate systems. Rawhide upgrading with the repositories is a whole lot better than what was available earlier. Good luck on whichever method you choose. Both avenues are interesting to try out. Jim From dsavage at peaknet.net Wed Sep 24 02:10:42 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:10:42 -0500 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> OK... Let me see if I have this straight. We have an established Linux distribution suddenly shedding its well-established name and discontinuing regular releases. Who the hell let Darl McBride in the building? --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Sep 24 02:16:00 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:16:00 -0400 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1064369760.13825.76.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:10, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > OK... Let me see if I have this straight. > > We have an established Linux distribution suddenly shedding its > well-established name and discontinuing regular releases. > > Who the hell let Darl McBride in the building? > At the risk of troll feeding - what is irregular about a 4-6month release cycle? There might be some bait-and-switch in the RHL->RHEL thing that's going on but that's a different story altogether. -sv From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Sep 24 02:21:59 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:21:59 -0500 Subject: Bluecurve changes In-Reply-To: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1064370119.6175.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 20:45, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > Add my vote to those who prefer Shrike's Bluecurve to Severn's. The > lines forming the min/max/close cluster in the upper right corner are > much too thin. The blue corners that allowed simultaneous vertical and > horizontal resizing are gone altogether. > > Call this one Bluecurve-Lite if you want, but please give us the > original Bluecurve back. Yes, the rh8/9 bluecurve is a beautiful work of art. Now that the wonderful window buttons are gone and the blue is missing from the curves, it looks much more minimalistic. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Sep 24 02:28:52 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:28:52 -0500 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1064370532.6175.6.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 20:38, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > I keep my Severn system regularly up2dated. Lately I've noticed when I > select "Log out" the display no longer darkens smoothly. Now it makes > three distinct passes -- each a little darker than before and separated > by a half beat -- as it displays "Are you sure you want to log off?" > > My X configuration is: > ATI Rage 128 Mobility > LCD Panel 1600x1200 > DefaultDepth 24 > XFree86 4.3.0-32 > > Is anyone else noticing this behavior? Mike Harris? I am seeing the same thing, with minor differences in hw: ATI Radeon Mobility M6 (stock radeon driver) LCD 1400x1050 (other stuff same as yours) From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Sep 24 02:37:01 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:37:01 -0500 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <1064370532.6175.6.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064370532.6175.6.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1064371021.6321.6.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 21:28, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 20:38, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > I keep my Severn system regularly up2dated. Lately I've noticed when I > > select "Log out" the display no longer darkens smoothly. Now it makes > > three distinct passes -- each a little darker than before and separated > > by a half beat -- as it displays "Are you sure you want to log off?" > > > > My X configuration is: > > ATI Rage 128 Mobility > > LCD Panel 1600x1200 > > DefaultDepth 24 > > XFree86 4.3.0-32 > > > > Is anyone else noticing this behavior? Mike Harris? > > I am seeing the same thing, with minor differences in hw: > ATI Radeon Mobility M6 (stock radeon driver) > LCD 1400x1050 > (other stuff same as yours) I see about 6 - 10 distinct steps, Radeon 7500, Sony GP-410 CRT monitor. Gerry From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Wed Sep 24 02:57:13 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim - 815 PIII) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:57:13 -0400 Subject: initscripts and 815 chipset machines In-Reply-To: <1064234341.25312.49.camel@topicus6> References: <3F6EE20D.9020405@insight.rr.com> <1064234341.25312.49.camel@topicus6> Message-ID: <3F710809.8040308@insight.rr.com> Klaasjan Brand wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:50, Jim - 815 PIII wrote: > >>There are a series of problems with my Severn installation on an 815 >>chipset computer. I was wondering which of the problems others might be >>experiencing also. >> >>1. Network cable unplugged on startup script. Running dhclient from >>command line will get dhcp address. >> >>2. Logging into the console will fail for several attempts to login. >>Eventually, the login will be accepted. >> >>3. using passwd to change passwords comes back with repeated prompts >>that the passwords don't match. It does however change the password to >>the new password selected. >> >>4. Gnome locks up on initializing screen. (empty box with no process ICONs.) >> >>5. Mozilla locks up with entering passwords for mail accounts or with >>http logins, like rhn network. >> >>I filed three bug reports for these problems. One was re-assigned to >>initscripts. I think this is probably closer to the problem. > > > Looks more like you have hardware problems. I'm running RH9 on a i815 > system without all those problems. I'd look more into memory or cooling > problems: > - use memtest -> www.memtest86.com to check if your memory isn't broken > (had that problem once with another i815 system which acted erratic). > - check if your processor cooler still runs and use to bios hardware > menu to check if your processor temperature doesn't exceed the limit for > your system. (my p3 runs at about 40 degrees celsius). > - check with dmesg for output from the disk driver (could be some disk > is dying) > - maybe your power supply is flaky... > It was my ethernet card that I have used since RHL 5.2. The card caused all of these problems. Refer to the bug trail at the below link. It stumped me that one little driver could topple a whole empire. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104793 Jim From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 03:10:57 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 24 Sep 2003 00:10:57 -0300 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: On Sep 23, 2003, "Robert G. (Doc) Savage" wrote: > Is anyone else noticing this behavior? I am, on Nvidia GeForce2 Go, TNT2 and S3 Savage cards. It's quite annoying, but I didn't think it was sufficiently annoying to deserve a bug report. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 04:03:18 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 00:03:18 -0400 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:36, Maynard Kuona wrote: > Something like Fedora makes a major release every 12 months, and then > a minor update release between major releases. The minor release, like > a release 2, would be just release 1 with all the security updates and > other necessary updates would be binary compatible with the previous, > like a target of 99.9% compatibility, and the major could have a much > lower target, like maybe 95%. In short, the releases cycle could be > something like We don't have binary compat as a requirement for Fedora, the reason is to avoid problems like the Python 1.x thing and ensure we can move forward with upstream projects. Of course a lot of upstream projects preserve binary compat upstream, using techniques like parallel install (http://ometer.com/parallel.html) which is what Python should have done and thus avoided the whole problem. ;-) When upstream projects take these measures we will inherit them in Fedora, e.g. Fedora won't be breaking GNOME or KDE bin compat since those projects have policies in place. Not to say we need to break bin compat just for the heck of it, and changing ABI has to be managed sanely to avoid breaking the devel tree for weeks, but it's not a requirement between releases to remain bin compat. > I think it would be nice to see the introduction of the stock kernel > as part of the distro. Since Fedora is unsupported anyway, this > shouldn?t be too much of a problem. A contrib kernel section for > kernels would be nice. I believe both of these are in the plans. Fedora Alternatives can have any kind of kernel somebody wants to maintain in there, as long as they stick to the basic project guidelines and standards. Havoc From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 04:04:41 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 00:04:41 -0400 Subject: Bluecurve changes In-Reply-To: <1064370119.6175.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> References: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064370119.6175.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> Message-ID: <1064376281.13334.41.camel@dhcppc3> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:21, Paul Morgan wrote: > > Call this one Bluecurve-Lite if you want, but please give us the > > original Bluecurve back. > > Yes, the rh8/9 bluecurve is a beautiful work of art. Now that the > wonderful window buttons are gone and the blue is missing from the > curves, it looks much more minimalistic. But now you have all the alternate Bluecurve flavors, like Tangerine and Lavender! Havoc From grant at tuins.ac.jp Wed Sep 24 04:32:12 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:32:12 +0900 Subject: Bluecurve changes In-Reply-To: <1064376281.13334.41.camel@dhcppc3> References: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064370119.6175.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1064376281.13334.41.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <3F711E4C.50201@tuins.ac.jp> > > >>Yes, the rh8/9 bluecurve is a beautiful work of art. Now that the >>wonderful window buttons are gone and the blue is missing from the >>curves, it looks much more minimalistic. >> >> > >But now you have all the alternate Bluecurve flavors, like Tangerine and >Lavender! > >Havoc > How about including the old Bluecurve as an additional theme - Bluecurve Classic?! rg From hoyt at cavtel.net Wed Sep 24 04:40:30 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:40:30 -0400 Subject: Core Packages? (was: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode) In-Reply-To: <200309240029.h8O0TWp12614@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309240029.h8O0TWp12614@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309240040.30319.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Tuesday 23 September 2003 08:29 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > > Could we keep the "You can't say that your thing is based on ours" > > language out of this one? > > In some cases. You don't want to order a Fedora Core CD and find its not > Fedora for example. Is there a list of packages to be found on the "Core CD"? -- Hoyt From notting at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 04:43:00 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:43:00 -0400 Subject: Bluecurve changes In-Reply-To: <3F711E4C.50201@tuins.ac.jp>; from grant@tuins.ac.jp on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:32:12PM +0900 References: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064370119.6175.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1064376281.13334.41.camel@dhcppc3> <3F711E4C.50201@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030924004300.A31423@devserv.devel.redhat.com> rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > >>Yes, the rh8/9 bluecurve is a beautiful work of art. Now that the > >>wonderful window buttons are gone and the blue is missing from the > >>curves, it looks much more minimalistic. > > > >But now you have all the alternate Bluecurve flavors, like Tangerine and > >Lavender! > > > >Havoc > > How about including the old Bluecurve as an additional theme - Bluecurve > Classic?! And then Vanilla Bluecurve, Cherry Bluecurve, and Bluecurve with Lemon. Oh wait, the lawyers are looking at me again. Bill From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Sep 24 04:48:36 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:48:36 -0400 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> References: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <1064378915.13825.82.camel@binkley> > I believe both of these are in the plans. Fedora Alternatives can have > any kind of kernel somebody wants to maintain in there, as long as they > stick to the basic project guidelines and standards. Well, I think there is some amount of a requirement for glibc and things to play along with the stock kernels. If I remember correctly, installing a vanilla kernel on rhl 9 will cause hot flaming death of nptl and make an array of things just a lot unhappy. -sv From cochranb at speakeasy.net Wed Sep 24 05:02:56 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:02:56 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Training and Fedora Message-ID: <3F712580.6060005@speakeasy.net> 60 seconds respectful silence, please, for all those who invested considerable time and bled themselves and their families to pay for Red Hat Training. And now we pose questions: What happens to past participants in Red Hat Training programs? As of 2002, Red Hat never offered significant forms of support to it's RHCE candidates; in fact, it treated them to utter silence before and after milking them of their cash. Students were at the mercy of their own experience levels, their own ability to boost those levels without effective support, and what they could get out of the classes. Red Hat did not even offer practice exams to candidates, one of the most minimal forms of support I can think of. There were a few FAQ-style web pages and that was it. I suppose this disgusting trend of failing to support trainees will continue? Are these people going to receive any value for their investments with the lightning shifts in corporate focus? Or will the training programs disappear with the problematic packages, leaving former students flapping in the breeze? Now let's look at those few who actually hold training certifications from the company. How will Red Hat Certified Engineers fare with the launch of Fedora? Will the new corporate vision vigorously support certification holders in transitioning skills to what is essentially an new business model (and one that might change again in 2 months?) Based on what the company does to trainees, I doubt it. Will there be dilution to the value of existing certifications? There might be. How will holders explain that they are certified in Red Hat Linux, but there is no longer a Red Hat Linux. Try explaining that in a meeting of any sort. Do RHCEs automatically become Fedora Certified Engineers ("FCEs")? Oh my, that doesn't sound right at all, especially if some fool spells that with an additional 'e'. There will certainly be the stakeholder who wonders, "What is Fedora Certification? I don't recognize it." And we are not forgetting Red Hat Certified Technician holders. The same questions apply, this time to a possible "Fedora Certified Technician." All my wonderings are perhaps for nothing. After all, in November or early December, 2003, the Overcoat Project will be announced. -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From benhsu at dslextreme.com Wed Sep 24 06:08:23 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:08:23 -0700 Subject: servern 9.0.93 kernel In-Reply-To: <20030923071458.92145.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.co.jp> References: <20030923071458.92145.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.co.jp> Message-ID: <1064383703.6894.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 00:14, Bit Takeshi wrote: > #make menuconfig ( use default .config) By "default config" do you mean the config brought up when you do "make menuconfig"? Did you copy the appropriate config file from configs/ directory? From alexl at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 07:17:22 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:17:22 +0200 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <1064378915.13825.82.camel@binkley> References: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> <1064378915.13825.82.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1064387842.31521.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 06:48, seth vidal wrote: > > I believe both of these are in the plans. Fedora Alternatives can have > > any kind of kernel somebody wants to maintain in there, as long as they > > stick to the basic project guidelines and standards. > > Well, I think there is some amount of a requirement for glibc and things > to play along with the stock kernels. If I remember correctly, > installing a vanilla kernel on rhl 9 will cause hot flaming death of > nptl and make an array of things just a lot unhappy. Of course, such a Fedora Alternative would have to contain enough packages to actually work. As such it might need to have a glibc package if it has kernel changes that need glibc support. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a short-sighted amnesiac paramedic with nothing left to lose. She's a bloodthirsty Buddhist detective with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime! From alexl at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 07:19:32 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:19:32 +0200 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1064387971.31521.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 03:38, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > We now return to our regularly scheduled beta testing in progress... > > I keep my Severn system regularly up2dated. Lately I've noticed when I > select "Log out" the display no longer darkens smoothly. Now it makes > three distinct passes -- each a little darker than before and separated > by a half beat -- as it displays "Are you sure you want to log off?" > > My X configuration is: > ATI Rage 128 Mobility > LCD Panel 1600x1200 > DefaultDepth 24 > XFree86 4.3.0-32 > > Is anyone else noticing this behavior? Mike Harris? I think this is due to a change in gnome-session. Previously it always did N steps, while now it does the animation in M seconds, with as many steps there is time for. So, the amount of steps depends on hw performance to avoid being really really slow on slow systems. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a hate-fuelled skateboarding barbarian haunted by an iconic dead American confidante She's a tortured psychic soap star married to the Mob. They fight crime! From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Sep 24 07:23:28 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:23:28 +0300 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <1064387971.31521.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064387971.31521.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F714670.1050905@coresma.com> Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 03:38, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > >>We now return to our regularly scheduled beta testing in progress... >> >>I keep my Severn system regularly up2dated. Lately I've noticed when I >>select "Log out" the display no longer darkens smoothly. Now it makes >>three distinct passes -- each a little darker than before and separated >>by a half beat -- as it displays "Are you sure you want to log off?" >> >>My X configuration is: >>ATI Rage 128 Mobility >>LCD Panel 1600x1200 >>DefaultDepth 24 >>XFree86 4.3.0-32 >> >>Is anyone else noticing this behavior? Mike Harris? > > > I think this is due to a change in gnome-session. Previously it always > did N steps, while now it does the animation in M seconds, with as many > steps there is time for. So, the amount of steps depends on hw > performance to avoid being really really slow on slow systems. Well, it's really really slow on my remote session. Is there any way to change this behavior? Pavel. From kpyau at ec-partners.com Wed Sep 24 07:26:01 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:26:01 +0800 Subject: Security Issue - Urgent, Help!!! I got attack!! Message-ID: <3F714709.4080102@ec-partners.com> Some one attack on my server by Flooding and spoofed into DNS I believe it was my own staff. Then They are not control because the security is not tide ! I have a Gateway server called titan.myserv.com 192.168.42.LAN<------->[192.168.42.01] 192.168.43.LAN<------->[192.168.43.01] 192.168.44.LAN<------->[192.168.44.01] [219.93.238.182]<------>[DSL-219.93.238.181] subnetmask = 255.255.255.0 /var/named/192.168.42.db = 25 users /var/named/192.168.43.db = 12 users /var/named/192.168.44.db = 8 users * No DHCP, All Manually assigned ! DNS: -[Cache] -Internal DNS IP = 192.168.42.1,192.168.43.1,192.168.44.1 -External DNS IP = 202.188.0.133,161.142.0.17....more. Description Of DNS configuration : -Forward to external if cant resolved Help In this : 1. Users can simply point to external/ISP DNS without going throught my DNS. I dont want this to happen. 2. I only want IP addessses which existed in /var/named/192 Can do query on the Internal DNS. 3. I hope External DNS is blocked forever, so user cannot directly query External DNS. 4. I hope A computer without an IP and hostname given by administrator in the LAN cannot communicate even they dont Have to resolve IP to Name applications. Thats all. *I had gone throught tldp.org but they had less info i want. Thanks Nicholas From rhl at red-raider.de Wed Sep 24 09:42:15 2003 From: rhl at red-raider.de (Martin) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:42:15 +0200 Subject: Building a NAT router? Message-ID: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> Hi, my Severn box has 2 NICs and I would like to use it as a router for my DSL connection. Unfortunately I have no clue how to configure NAT (and portforwarding) :( I managed to get the box on the net using the Internet Configuration Wizard and I can ping the second NIC (192.168.1.1) from my other machine (192.168.1.2) but I still have to find out how to NAT and forward ports. So if anybody knows if/how I can do this with redhat-network-config or any other way I would be very greatful for any advice. Cheers, Martin From ilia at linuxman.biz Wed Sep 24 09:51:20 2003 From: ilia at linuxman.biz (Ilia Dulgerov) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:51:20 +0300 Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> References: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> Message-ID: <3F716918.90704@linuxman.biz> Do you know the external IP adress? If you do name it IPA and replace in this rule: iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source IPA please note eth0 i interface to internet connection Ilia Duglerov good luck Martin wrote: >Hi, > >my Severn box has 2 NICs and I would like to use it as a router for my >DSL connection. Unfortunately I have no clue how to configure NAT (and >portforwarding) :( I managed to get the box on the net using the >Internet Configuration Wizard and I can ping the second NIC >(192.168.1.1) from my other machine (192.168.1.2) but I still have to >find out how to NAT and forward ports. So if anybody knows if/how I >can do this with redhat-network-config or any other way I would be >very greatful for any advice. > >Cheers, > >Martin > > > > > From kpyau at ec-partners.com Wed Sep 24 10:14:00 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:14:00 +0800 Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: References: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> Message-ID: <3F716E68.9030607@ec-partners.com> Hey, What you need to do is write a script and run the script in rc.local for startup Let me give you some example, i think this will help you. A proper configuration will look like below : 2 Network cards. [192.168.1.1-eth0]<=connect to hub or crosslink to other pc=>PC [ ] [ ] [ ] [xx.xx.xx.xx-eth1]<=crosslink to DSL Modem=>[0000] save this script in a file, then run in rc.local this command run where the remote pc and server are in same subnet mask if different subnet mask, you need to masquerade two different network ================================================================== echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -P POSTROUTING DROP iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0 MASQUERADE =================================================================== From kpyau at ec-partners.com Wed Sep 24 10:18:03 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:18:03 +0800 Subject: Mounting samba shares does not work anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F716F5B.4020309@ec-partners.com> passwd is plain text, new samba version by default set the smb.conf file to auth using smbpassword, if you want to use plain text, change the option into passwd in smb.conf section. man smb.conf maybe useful for you. Ivo Sarak wrote: > Hello, > > With 9.0.93 Severn Beta the following command is working: > "mount -t smbfs -o username=guest,password=foobar //machine/share /mountpoint" > After upgrade to 9.0.93 Severn Beta Upgrade (aka Fedora), this command is > failing with: > "Server requested plaintext password but 'client use plaintext auth' is > disabled > xxxx: tree connect failed: SUCCESS - 0" > > How do I enable 'client use plaintext auth'? > > Regards, > Ivo Sa"rak. > > > From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 11:15:53 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <1064378915.13825.82.camel@binkley> from "seth vidal" at Med 24, 2003 12:48:36 Message-ID: <200309241115.h8OBFrk05705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > to play along with the stock kernels. If I remember correctly, > installing a vanilla kernel on rhl 9 will cause hot flaming death of > nptl and make an array of things just a lot unhappy. If you do that the C library falls back to the old threading code. It was an absolute requirement that we didn't break the ability to switch kernels. I don't think any of my RH9 boxes run Red Hat kernels ;) Alan From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 11:31:59 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Red Hat Training and Fedora In-Reply-To: <3F712580.6060005@speakeasy.net> from "Robert L Cochran" at Med 24, 2003 01:02:56 Message-ID: <200309241131.h8OBVxA11563@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > What happens to past participants in Red Hat Training programs? As of >From the FAQ | The validity period for all RHCEs and RHCTs is now officially pegged | to the release of the Enterprise product commercially available at the | time certification was earned, and certification shall | be current until after one (1) major release of the Enterprise | product. All RHCEs earned on Red Hat Linux 7.3 or prior will be considered | current until the release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS/ES/WS 4. All RHCEs | and RHCTs earned on Red Hat Linux 8.0 or 9 will remain current until the | release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. Validity and current status of an | RHCE certificate will continue to be verified at Certification Central. > Now let's look at those few who actually hold training certifications > from the company. How will Red Hat Certified Engineers fare with the > launch of Fedora? Will the new corporate vision vigorously support > certification holders in transitioning skills to what is essentially an > new business model (and one that might change again in 2 months?) Based > on what the company does to trainees, I doubt it. Red Hat Enterprise Linux is here to stay. Fedora is a way to do cool community stuff. Which way Red Hat 9 users transition will depend on their needs (and also our ability to deliver them a product they want...) > meeting of any sort. Do RHCEs automatically become Fedora Certified > Engineers ("FCEs")? Oh my, that doesn't sound right at all, especially > if some fool spells that with an additional 'e'. There will certainly be There is no plan for any kind of certification for Fedora. Obviously an RHCE/RHCT says a lot about the ability to work on Fedora but the business oriented distribution is Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and it is that which the RHCE/CT is oriented to. Alan From alexl at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 11:41:45 2003 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 13:41:45 +0200 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <3F714670.1050905@coresma.com> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064387971.31521.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F714670.1050905@coresma.com> Message-ID: <1064403705.23002.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 09:23, Pavel Rosenboim wrote: > Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 03:38, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > > >>We now return to our regularly scheduled beta testing in progress... > >> > >>I keep my Severn system regularly up2dated. Lately I've noticed when I > >>select "Log out" the display no longer darkens smoothly. Now it makes > >>three distinct passes -- each a little darker than before and separated > >>by a half beat -- as it displays "Are you sure you want to log off?" > >> > >>My X configuration is: > >>ATI Rage 128 Mobility > >>LCD Panel 1600x1200 > >>DefaultDepth 24 > >>XFree86 4.3.0-32 > >> > >>Is anyone else noticing this behavior? Mike Harris? > > > > > > I think this is due to a change in gnome-session. Previously it always > > did N steps, while now it does the animation in M seconds, with as many > > steps there is time for. So, the amount of steps depends on hw > > performance to avoid being really really slow on slow systems. > > Well, it's really really slow on my remote session. Is there any way to > change this behavior? I don't know of any. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a scrappy Amish matador fleeing from a secret government programme. She's a violent extravagent opera singer living homeless in New York's sewers. They fight crime! From rvk at gsecone.com Wed Sep 24 11:52:09 2003 From: rvk at gsecone.com (Raghuveer) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:22:09 +0530 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <200309241115.h8OBFrk05705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309241115.h8OBFrk05705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F718569.3040409@gsecone.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>to play along with the stock kernels. If I remember correctly, >>installing a vanilla kernel on rhl 9 will cause hot flaming death of >>nptl and make an array of things just a lot unhappy. >> >> > >If you do that the C library falls back to the old threading code. It >was an absolute requirement that we didn't break the ability to switch >kernels. I don't think any of my RH9 boxes run Red Hat kernels ;) > >Alan > > > I could find proper sound driver support with even RH 9. Even mixer support is not there. I anyway got it up using alsa, but Iam very keen to know why we don't have proper sound driver support with RH9...? Regards -Raghu >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From ivo at vendomar.ee Wed Sep 24 11:58:02 2003 From: ivo at vendomar.ee (Ivo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E4rak?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:58:02 +0300 Subject: Mounting samba shares does not work anymore. In-Reply-To: <3F716F5B.4020309@ec-partners.com> References: <3F716F5B.4020309@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <1064404682.4954.64.camel@sarmax> Hello, I find it a little puzzling - error is about client not the server. Even more strange is that "smb://" in Konqueror is working without any /etc/samba/smb.conf modifications. Regards, Ivo Sa"rak. On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:18, Nicholas Yau wrote: > passwd is plain text, > > new samba version by default set the smb.conf file to auth using > smbpassword, if you want to use plain text, change the option > into passwd in smb.conf section. > > man smb.conf maybe useful for you. > > Ivo Sarak wrote: > > Hello, > > > > With 9.0.93 Severn Beta the following command is working: > > "mount -t smbfs -o username=guest,password=foobar //machine/share /mountpoint" > > After upgrade to 9.0.93 Severn Beta Upgrade (aka Fedora), this command is > > failing with: > > "Server requested plaintext password but 'client use plaintext auth' is > > disabled > > xxxx: tree connect failed: SUCCESS - 0" > > > > How do I enable 'client use plaintext auth'? > > > > Regards, > > Ivo Sa"rak. > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Sep 24 12:28:53 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:28:53 +0200 Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> References: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> Message-ID: <3F718E05.2050207@gmx.de> Martin wrote: >Hi, > >my Severn box has 2 NICs and I would like to use it as a router for my >DSL connection. Unfortunately I have no clue how to configure NAT (and >portforwarding) :( I managed to get the box on the net using the >Internet Configuration Wizard and I can ping the second NIC >(192.168.1.1) from my other machine (192.168.1.2) but I still have to >find out how to NAT and forward ports. So if anybody knows if/how I >can do this with redhat-network-config or any other way I would be >very greatful for any advice. > eg. eth0 = ppp0 eth1 = 192.168.1.1 forwarding is enabled? # sysctl -a | grep ip_forw net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 your clients: standard-gateway? dns-server? eg. masquerade only smtp,dns,http,pop3,https iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o ppp0 -p tcp -m multiport --dport 25,53,80,110,443 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o ppp0 -p udp -m multiport --dport 53 -j MASQUERADE eg. portforwarding port ppp0:2222 --> lan:22 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:22 $ man adsl-setup $ man sysctl $ man iptables http://netfilter.org $ vi /etc/services ... good luck -- shrek-m From sheep at graze.net Wed Sep 24 12:36:03 2003 From: sheep at graze.net (Brian Huffman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:36:03 +0200 Subject: Bluecurve changes Message-ID: <200309241236.h8OCa3Zp026301@graze.net> Just so this isn't completely one sided....I happen to like the recent Bluecurve changes. Just my $.02 Brian fedora-test-list at redhat.com wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:21, Paul Morgan wrote: > > > Call this one Bluecurve-Lite if you want, but please give us the > > > original Bluecurve back. > > > > Yes, the rh8/9 bluecurve is a beautiful work of art. Now that the > > wonderful window buttons are gone and the blue is missing from the > > curves, it looks much more minimalistic. > > But now you have all the alternate Bluecurve flavors, like Tangerine and > Lavender! > > Havoc > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- From monty19 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 12:38:15 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:38:15 -0400 Subject: Building a NAT router? Message-ID: You could also use a program like firestarter to configure it. The wizard will ask you some questions about which interface is internet facing, whether it is statically/dynamically assigned, do you want to block certain types of ICMP traffic, allow any services to be accessed from the outside, do you want to enable NAT and so on. When you're done it runs and you have firewall and NAT. If you are interested you can check it out here: firestarter.sourceforge.net. They have an RPM for RedHat 8 and 9 that also works with Severn. All it does is act as an easy to use graphical interface for configuring iptables. The firewall.sh can be edited after the fact. I for example had to create rules allowing traffic from any source port from one specific address to destination port 49149 (this was to get Nortel Networks Contivity VPN working such that I could use more than one IPSec tunnel through a NAT device, and was a little out of the scope of what Firestarter was created to handle.) And if you don't like firestarter there is probably a list of similar programs as long as your arm. Such is the wonderful way of open source :) Regards, Jason From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 12:44:43 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 08:44:43 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <200309231230.22001.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <1064342239.26087.31.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> <200309231230.22001.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1064407483.18261.6.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 15:30, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tuesday 23 September 2003 11:37, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > They aren't supposed to know that, because for many people it isn't > > true. See http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html > > > > Many people should be buying a commercial product. Don't make > > assumptions about pricing or about retail, read the FAQ carefully on > > that point. > > Great. Now when will RHEL become actually AFFORDABLE for > non-multimillion a year cooperations? When can I, as an IHV, actually > be able to sell RHEL w/out being hung up on and laughed at due to > extreme prices for the software, when said customer can go with many > many other cheaper solutions? I appreciate the question is probably rhetorical, but the right people aren't on this list to answer it. You would want to talk to the IHV relationship people, sales, etc. Havoc From acbk at zeelandnet.nl Wed Sep 24 12:46:32 2003 From: acbk at zeelandnet.nl (h.breimer) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:46:32 +0200 Subject: up2date and signatures In-Reply-To: <200309231524.29928.rhking@cinci.rr.com> References: <20030922155458.387fe5d6.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> <200309231524.29928.rhking@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030924144632.2f10ea7f.acbk@zeelandnet.nl> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:24:29 -0400 Salane King wrote: > > What did I miss? > > I can allways use nosig of course, but that does not satisfy > > curiosity. > > > > Henk > > > > > > -- > > Rhl-beta-list mailing list > > Rhl-beta-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhl-beta-list > > You probably missed one > > gpg-pubkey-897da07a-3c979a7f > you will find it > herehttp://www.redhat.com/solutions/security/news/publickey.html thanks Remains the question why I missed it. henk From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 12:46:17 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 06:46:17 -0600 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309232318.09502.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309231203.h8NC3Cv24220@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064319149.10828.66.camel@binkley> <200309232318.09502.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <1064407577.18001.24.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:18, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > I like that idea also. i am a University Student and cant afford RHEL but i > do run my own server here. and i dont want to have to upgrade or rebuild and > test it every 4-6 months Then *don't*. This isn't MS, nobody (other than perhaps your boss) is forcing you to do that, -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 12:48:51 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 06:48:51 -0600 Subject: Fedora availability via CheapBytes etc. In-Reply-To: <3F7050A1.1030802@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> References: <200309221838.h8MIcpu32449@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F5C5A.7020706@TemporalArts.com> <3F701834.2080001@coresma.com> <200309232042.35060.dennis@ausil.us> <3F703294.6040808@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923143521.1582ef99.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F7050A1.1030802@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> Message-ID: <1064407731.18016.27.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:54, rg2 wrote: > > Q: How will Fedora Project be made available to the public? > A: ...and will also be available through other channels such as > third-party online sales of physical media... > > Very good, so then everyone can access it pretty easily without dealing > with the pink tie (Hey, Bill, that might go nicely with the Blue Felt hat). Along with a clean shirt, white gloves and new shoes. "'Cuz every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man" -ZZTop. :^) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 12:50:58 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 06:50:58 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode In-Reply-To: <3F7046FF.7090103@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F6F7C46.8060008@tuins.ac.jp> <200309221628.05167.hosting@j2solutions.net> <3F6FA1FE.6050005@tuins.ac.jp> <20030923040623.73c6c8a5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <3F6FB094.9070101@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> <1064320523.14809.10.camel@locutus> <3F7046FF.7090103@p2322.nsk.ne.jp> Message-ID: <1064407858.18024.30.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:13, rg2 wrote: > Bill Anderson wrote: > > >>And, getting back to that icon of a hat on the GNOME menu that just > >>happens to be a red hat, not a Red Hat, is it going to stay? Don't want > >>to waste my effort on a slew of new screenshots. > >> > >> > > > >I'd be pleased with a nice royal blue felt hat. ;) > > > >Or maybe a hat color to go with the theme, with a Royal Blue one as the > >'official standard' one. Picture RedCurve, BlueCurve, and other. ;) > > > > > > > I'm sure you'd look fine in a nice royal blue felt hat, perhaps with a > big feather stuck in it, but don't count on me for advice in that > regard- I don't really know what you look like, and the blue felt might Well, up until last fall many fellow Linux people tell me I looked more than a bit like Alan Cox ... may it was the hair to my waist and full scraggly beard. ;) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 12:57:30 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 06:57:30 -0600 Subject: A plea to the persistent top posters. In-Reply-To: <1064338617.13749.67.camel@zorak> References: <1064321216.16133.27.camel@earth.xades.com> <1064335843.22908.2.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1064338617.13749.67.camel@zorak> Message-ID: <1064408250.18017.34.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 11:36, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: ... > Its a courtesy thing. Its the difference between holding the door for > that extra second, and letting it go immediately so it hits the person > behind you. Oh I dunno 'bout that analogy thing there Tom. I've never found it fun to top-post. However, sometimes it's fun to let the door smack the person behind you. ;) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 12:59:44 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 06:59:44 -0600 Subject: ayo apt rawhide repositories In-Reply-To: <200309231008.51520.lowen@pari.edu> References: <1064319231.5609.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309231008.51520.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <1064408384.18017.36.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:08, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Tuesday 23 September 2003 08:13, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > For recent rhl betas...upgrading from beta->beta or from beta->release > > has not been supported. Any beta testers that use to do that were > > working contrary to the engineering goals of the beta phase and were > > summarily shot, as per Red Hat Community Population Control guidelines, > > section 3 paragraph 1. > > Shot? Whipped with a wet noodle, maybe, but not shot. No, we were shot, but some of us were merely winged. ;^) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 13:04:37 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:04:37 -0600 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> References: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <1064408677.18017.41.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:03, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:36, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > Something like Fedora makes a major release every 12 months, and then > > a minor update release between major releases. The minor release, like > > a release 2, would be just release 1 with all the security updates and > > other necessary updates would be binary compatible with the previous, > > like a target of 99.9% compatibility, and the major could have a much > > lower target, like maybe 95%. In short, the releases cycle could be > > something like > > We don't have binary compat as a requirement for Fedora, the reason is > to avoid problems like the Python 1.x thing and ensure we can move > forward with upstream projects. > > Of course a lot of upstream projects preserve binary compat upstream, > using techniques like parallel install (http://ometer.com/parallel.html) > which is what Python should have done and thus avoided the whole I had 1.5 and 2.x installed in parallel, no problems. The problem I had lied in the fact that RH's python-based tools called /usr/bin/python. When added python2, I edited the RH python tools to run /usr/bin/python1.5 instead and merrily went on my way. Indeed, those systems are *still* running that way w/o issue. :) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 24 13:10:41 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red HatLinux? In-Reply-To: <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <3823.12.29.16.103.1064409041.squirrel@whooper.org> Robert G. (Doc) Savage said: > OK... Let me see if I have this straight. I think you hitting a curve, not getting it straight. > We have an established Linux distribution suddenly shedding its > well-established name It's Trademarked name. And everyone and their brother was complaining because Red Hat had to defend that trademark, therefore couldn't let other people distributing ISOs use it From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 13:07:06 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:07:06 -0600 Subject: Bluecurve changes In-Reply-To: <20030924004300.A31423@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064370119.6175.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1064376281.13334.41.camel@dhcppc3> <3F711E4C.50201@tuins.ac.jp> <20030924004300.A31423@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064408826.18024.43.camel@locutus> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:43, Bill Nottingham wrote: > rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > > >>Yes, the rh8/9 bluecurve is a beautiful work of art. Now that the > > >>wonderful window buttons are gone and the blue is missing from the > > >>curves, it looks much more minimalistic. > > > > > >But now you have all the alternate Bluecurve flavors, like Tangerine and > > >Lavender! > > > > > >Havoc > > > > How about including the old Bluecurve as an additional theme - Bluecurve > > Classic?! > > And then Vanilla Bluecurve, Cherry Bluecurve, and Bluecurve with > Lemon. > > Oh wait, the lawyers are looking at me again. Well give them a Bluecurve on the Rocks, or a Blue Curve-banger. ;) Ok, maybe it is time to get some sleep. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Wed Sep 24 13:09:38 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 24 Sep 2003 07:09:38 -0600 Subject: Sound support In-Reply-To: <3F718569.3040409@gsecone.com> References: <200309241115.h8OBFrk05705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F718569.3040409@gsecone.com> Message-ID: <1064408978.18023.45.camel@locutus> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 05:52, Raghuveer wrote: > > > I could find proper sound driver support with even RH 9. Even mixer > support is not there. I anyway got it up using alsa, but Iam very keen > to know why we don't have proper sound driver support with RH9...? I have yet to have it fail. Perhaps if you gave more details, and posted it under it's own thread, you could get some help with it. "It doesn't work" is not sufficient. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 13:22:09 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:22:09 -0400 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red Hat Linux? In-Reply-To: <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1064409728.18261.44.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:10, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > OK... Let me see if I have this straight. > > We have an established Linux distribution suddenly shedding its > well-established name and discontinuing regular releases. > We split the original single RHL product into a product (RHEL) and an open source project (Fedora Project). There are now twice as many releases. Neither Fedora Core nor RHEL are the same as RHL, but both are descendants of the RHL code. Fedora Core is not a product as RHL was, and has none of the guarantees of a commercial product; but also, it should have more packages and be more up to date than RHL was. RHEL has guarantees and features much more in line with what people traditionally expect from an OS - it is much more supportable - but also, it is slower moving and you have to pay for those guarantees. By using the Fedora name, we allow different trademark guidelines for this project (so there can be third-party CD vendors, for example) and hopefully make it clear that it is not a product you can call Red Hat and complain about. Perhaps more importantly, changing the name indicates that the nature of the thing has changed. It is no longer a commercial product, has some different technical objectives, has a different release/update process, and has a different development model. The Fedora Project is _not_ a renamed Red Hat Linux, though like RHEL those are its historical roots. By clearly dividing the commercial product from the open source project, we have the freedom to do both of them well. Of course, history will show whether we succeed. Havoc From gmaeding at Kidspeace.org Wed Sep 24 13:27:30 2003 From: gmaeding at Kidspeace.org (Glen Maeding) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:27:30 -0400 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <1064371021.6321.6.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064370532.6175.6.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> <1064371021.6321.6.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1064410049.2682.13.camel@gmaeding> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:37, Gerry Tool wrote: > I see about 6 - 10 distinct steps, Radeon 7500, Sony GP-410 CRT monitor. > > Gerry I believe this is a new change in the Gnome 2.4. I recently just updated my Gnome 2.3 or whatever version it was to 2.4 and i immediately noticed the difference in how it was shading in to the log off prompt window. These gnome files were off the Severn beta update channels. You might want to check your version of your gnome. About 4 or 5 steps of shading until log off box shows up. Toshiba laptop, Toshiba TOS5082 laptop monitor - Trident CyberBlade/Ai1 - 1024x768 @ Millions of colors -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- * -- Glen Maeding * -- MIS Tech @ Kidspeace Inc. * -- Webmaster of MIS-comm, Pdangel.org, and others... * -- E-mail: gmaeding at kidspeace.org * -- Pager e-mail: goik at tmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 13:35:58 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 09:35:58 -0400 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <1064408677.18017.41.camel@locutus> References: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> <1064408677.18017.41.camel@locutus> Message-ID: <1064410558.18261.54.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 09:04, Bill Anderson wrote: > I had 1.5 and 2.x installed in parallel, no problems. The problem I had > lied in the fact that RH's python-based tools called /usr/bin/python. > When added python2, I edited the RH python tools to run > /usr/bin/python1.5 instead and merrily went on my way. Indeed, those > systems are *still* running that way w/o issue. :) Yes, but a working upstream parallel install setup would mean you didn't have to change any tools, it should all just keep working. ;-) Look at how GTK is set up; it installs to names with version number in them, and all apps compiling vs. GTK always include the version number in the library name they ask for. If we added GTK+ 3 today with a different ABI, no changes whatsoever would be required to GTK+ 2 or any of the apps using it. If Python punts this to the distribution or local installation, then either we have to name things in nonstandard ways and get flamed for changing the upstream ABI, or we have to break the ABI shipped with the distribution in order to move to the unmodified upstream ABI. The basic reason people don't do parallel install is simply that they think "/usr/bin/python2" looks ugly compared to "/usr/bin/python" Would it make sense to have a symlink /usr/lib/libimageloader.so that pointed to libjpeg prior to some date and libpng after some date? That's what you're doing if you take an existing executable name and make it refer to an incompatible executable. "Just partially incompatible" doesn't matter, apps don't "just partially crash" when they try to use it. Havoc From eric at interplas.com Wed Sep 24 13:59:30 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:59:30 -0400 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red HatLinux? References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064409728.18261.44.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <021001c382a4$1396c040$9100000a@intgrp.com> Havoc Pennington wrote: > has none of the guarantees of a commercial product; but also, it > should have more packages and be more up to date than RHL was. RHEL has > guarantees and features much more in line with what people traditionally > expect from an OS It would be interesting to here from some 3rd party driver developers (liek Nvidia, LSI Logic, etc) about this split. Wonder if they'll shy away from Fedora driver support and only support RHEL. Sounds like a lot of pro-linux hardware/software companies _need_ to be on the Fedora Steering Committe. I see this as the new "United Linux" but with more openness for ye who doesn't work for the 'man' ;-). Is there a petition going on right now tying to get members of this new "United Linux"? Can we see who's signed up so far and what they'd like their responsibilities be? -eric wood From stephen at skmoore.com Wed Sep 24 14:02:36 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:02:36 +1000 Subject: bluecurve misalignment Message-ID: <3F71A3FC.3050302@skmoore.com> the minimise/maximise/close icons are not always right aligned in full screen mode doesnt happen in rh9 is it a bug? -- ??? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Stephen Moore wrote: > If you click on the title bar of the window with the current focus, > then drag window. > The window ignores the drag, > a second click somewhere on the desktop will result in the window > jumping to that position. > > I have verified that this behaviour does not happen in rh9 > > clicking and draging unfocused windows is fine > > serven with all updates on a laptop 2.2 ghz with two screens > > gnome bug #122896 > -- ??? From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 14:16:15 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull drag In-Reply-To: <3F71A654.30708@skmoore.com> from "Stephen Moore" at Med 25, 2003 12:12:36 Message-ID: <200309241416.h8OEGFi28104@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I notice that no-one relpied to this, does that mean that it only > happens with dual screens (my dual screen)? > > I logged it with gnome metacity, is it a metacity issue or an X issue > (or something else)? I've seen several reports and it happens to me too. Its metacity or libwnck since those two updates are what broke it for me. If you switch to a different window manager all is well, and you also get things like working window resizing back From gordon.ewasiuk at verizon.net Wed Sep 24 14:23:19 2003 From: gordon.ewasiuk at verizon.net (Gordon Ewasiuk) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:23:19 -0400 Subject: Planning for Redhat Upgrades Message-ID: <3F71A8D7.1010006@verizon.net> Hi List, I got a bunch of RH upgrades in the works - bunch of servers going from 5.x/6.x/7.x/8.0 to 9. This Fedora stuff is causing me some concern. I work for a small ISP/webhosting shop. The money for RHEL just isn't there. Is there anybody in webhosting space who deals with a bunch of Redhat servers? What are your upgrade/migration plans? I think the best move would be to RHEL but I can't spend what I don't have... Severn scares the hell out of me...in it's current form. I've installed it on a couple of testbeds...sluggish performance, lockups during boot(not the acpi issue), X locking up at different places...the list is growing longer by the day. These testbeds have run RHL9 flawlessly. Thanks for any input, -gordon From bwheadley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 24 14:36:05 2003 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:36:05 -0500 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red HatLinux? In-Reply-To: <021001c382a4$1396c040$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <200309222245.h8MMjce06478@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064369442.4569.43.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064409728.18261.44.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> <021001c382a4$1396c040$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <3F71ABD5.7010904@earthlink.net> Eric Wood wrote: > Havoc Pennington wrote: > >>has none of the guarantees of a commercial product; but also, it >>should have more packages and be more up to date than RHL was. RHEL has >>guarantees and features much more in line with what people traditionally >>expect from an OS > > > It would be interesting to here from some 3rd party driver developers (liek > Nvidia, LSI Logic, etc) about this split. Wonder if they'll shy away from > Fedora driver support and only support RHEL. Sounds like a lot of > pro-linux hardware/software companies _need_ to be on the Fedora Steering > Committe. I see this as the new "United Linux" but with more openness for > ye who doesn't work for the 'man' ;-). Is there a petition going on right > now tying to get members of this new "United Linux"? Can we see who's > signed up so far and what they'd like their responsibilities be? > They have problems as it is. The VIA people for instance released binary drivers for their Mini-ITX's CastleRock video chip. In doing so, they targetted RH 9, which meant kernel 2.4.20-8. What they didn't understand is that RH will release new kernels (and are at 2.4.20-20-9) during the lifecycle of a release, and things stopped working as soon as users upgraded. Alan has those drivers in his AC series now, but that's neither here nor there: when major bugs or security holes are found, kernels are replaced, even on stable platforms. If you add to that the desire to support other packagers like SuSE and Mandrake, or even previous releases, things are still moving targets. -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 14:31:50 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Planning for Redhat Upgrades In-Reply-To: <3F71A8D7.1010006@verizon.net> from "Gordon Ewasiuk" at Med 24, 2003 10:23:19 Message-ID: <200309241431.h8OEVpA03932@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Severn scares the hell out of me...in it's current form. I've installed > it on a couple of testbeds...sluggish performance, lockups during > boot(not the acpi issue), X locking up at different places...the list is > growing longer by the day. These testbeds have run RHL9 flawlessly. Its a devel kernel and user space right now. It is supposed to be stable for the release version not always for the first and second test releases. DaveJ has already been doing some work on performance and we've fixed lockups and other bugs too. Alan From anthony.seward at ieee.org Wed Sep 24 14:35:09 2003 From: anthony.seward at ieee.org (Anthony Joseph Seward) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:35:09 -0600 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <1064410558.18261.54.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> References: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> <1064408677.18017.41.camel@locutus> <1064410558.18261.54.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064414108.3287.20.camel@sonylap1> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 07:35, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 09:04, Bill Anderson wrote: > > I had 1.5 and 2.x installed in parallel, no problems. The problem I had > > lied in the fact that RH's python-based tools called /usr/bin/python. > > When added python2, I edited the RH python tools to run > > /usr/bin/python1.5 instead and merrily went on my way. Indeed, those > > systems are *still* running that way w/o issue. :) > > Yes, but a working upstream parallel install setup would mean you didn't > have to change any tools, it should all just keep working. ;-) > Or it could mean that the tools had a bug in them: '#! /usr/bin/python' as a first line rather than the proper '#! /usr/bin/python1.5'. > Look at how GTK is set up; it installs to names with version number in > them, and all apps compiling vs. GTK always include the version number > in the library name they ask for. Just as python was installed with it's version in the name. The problem was that RH python scripts did not include the version number when they asked for python. I wrote a script (in python of course) to fix this when I installed RH. All that it did was look for python scripts and make sure that the first line asked for the specific version of python that was installed with that version of RH. > If we added GTK+ 3 today with a > different ABI, no changes whatsoever would be required to GTK+ 2 or any > of the apps using it. > > If Python punts this to the distribution or local installation, then > either we have to name things in nonstandard ways and get flamed for > changing the upstream ABI, or we have to break the ABI shipped with the > distribution in order to move to the unmodified upstream ABI. > > The basic reason people don't do parallel install is simply that they > think "/usr/bin/python2" looks ugly compared to "/usr/bin/python" > > Would it make sense to have a symlink /usr/lib/libimageloader.so that > pointed to libjpeg prior to some date and libpng after some date? That's > what you're doing if you take an existing executable name and make it > refer to an incompatible executable. "Just partially incompatible" > doesn't matter, apps don't "just partially crash" when they try to use > it. > > Havoc > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Anthony Joseph Seward From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 14:36:51 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red HatLinux? In-Reply-To: <3F71ABD5.7010904@earthlink.net> from "Bryan W. Headley" at Med 24, 2003 09:36:05 Message-ID: <200309241436.h8OEaqZ06387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > They have problems as it is. The VIA people for instance released binary > drivers for their Mini-ITX's CastleRock video chip. In doing so, they > targetted RH 9, which meant kernel 2.4.20-8. What they didn't understand > is that RH will release new kernels (and are at 2.4.20-20-9) during the To be fair VIA *do* understand this. They are working to get stuff supported in open source but released binary drivers in the mean time. There are still a couple of tricky areas (video playback/macrovision and other things the MPAA folks get fussy about) but the X server code is now not just merged but thanks to Egbert as well all nicely polished and meeting XFree86 policy. Alan From jsmith at drgutah.com Wed Sep 24 14:50:25 2003 From: jsmith at drgutah.com (Jared Smith) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:50:25 -0600 Subject: bluecurve misalignment In-Reply-To: <3F71A3FC.3050302@skmoore.com> References: <3F71A3FC.3050302@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <1064415024.18761.0.camel@banff.drgutah.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 08:02, Stephen Moore wrote: > the minimise/maximise/close icons are not always right aligned in full > screen mode > > doesnt happen in rh9 > > is it a bug? Yes, it appears to be a bug... I've seen it myself several times in Rawhide. Jared From gordon.ewasiuk at verizon.net Wed Sep 24 14:53:13 2003 From: gordon.ewasiuk at verizon.net (Gordon Ewasiuk) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Planning for Redhat Upgrades In-Reply-To: <200309241431.h8OEVpA03932@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309241431.h8OEVpA03932@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:31:50 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alan Cox > Reply-To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Planning for Redhat Upgrades > > > Severn scares the hell out of me...in it's current form. I've installed > > it on a couple of testbeds...sluggish performance, lockups during > > boot(not the acpi issue), X locking up at different places...the list is > > growing longer by the day. These testbeds have run RHL9 flawlessly. > > Its a devel kernel and user space right now. It is supposed to be stable for > the release version not always for the first and second test releases. DaveJ > has already been doing some work on performance and we've fixed lockups > and other bugs too. Alan, Thanks for the info. That's a load off my mind. I'll keep my Severn CDs then. I kinda figured(hoped/prayed) that Severn will get better. You folks at Redhat have done always done great work. -gordon From pavelr at coresma.com Wed Sep 24 14:57:12 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:57:12 +0300 Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull drag In-Reply-To: <3F71A654.30708@skmoore.com> References: <3F70139C.5010505@skmoore.com> <3F71A654.30708@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <3F71B0C8.2060407@coresma.com> Stephen Moore wrote: > I notice that no-one relpied to this, does that mean that it only > happens with dual screens (my dual screen)? It happened to me several times, I mostly run remote X sessions. > > I logged it with gnome metacity, is it a metacity issue or an X issue > (or something else)? > > Cheers > > Stephen Moore wrote: > >> If you click on the title bar of the window with the current focus, >> then drag window. >> The window ignores the drag, >> a second click somewhere on the desktop will result in the window >> jumping to that position. >> >> I have verified that this behaviour does not happen in rh9 >> >> clicking and draging unfocused windows is fine >> >> serven with all updates on a laptop 2.2 ghz with two screens >> >> gnome bug #122896 >> > From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Sep 24 15:04:40 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 24 Sep 2003 11:04:40 -0400 Subject: Planning for Redhat Upgrades Message-ID: <1064415880.21815.59.camel@spatula> Gordon Ewasiuk wrote: > Severn scares the hell out of me...in it's current form. I've installed it > on a couple of testbeds...sluggish performance, lockups during boot > not the acpi issue), X locking up at different places...the list is growing > longer by the day. These testbeds have run RHL9 flawlessly. Did you run the beta isos in the past? I'm my narrow and limited experience I don't think the first iso set in this phase is outside of expected behavior using first iso sets in previous betas phases as a benchmark. The fact that RHL9 runs flawlessly for you is a testament to the effort put forth through the entire beta process leading up to rhl9, we are just getting to round 2 of this beta phase...too soon to pass judgements this time around. Just make sure yer ever longer list of issues makes it into bugzilla sooner rather than later. -jef"Beta's are like a dance...you take one step backwards...to take two steps forward...its the Beta Cha-Cha"spaleta -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The point is, people who do binary drivers will be cursed by platform movement, not only with relatively new products (RH9, RHE, etc.) but also older products (7.1, 8), as there's legacy support, whenever a kernel is released for the given platform. They undertake similar risks with Fedora as they will with RHE in the future. -- ____ .:. ____ Bryan W. Headley - bwheadley at earthlink.net From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Wed Sep 24 15:05:50 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark A. Hoover) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #181 - 34 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030924130910.17247.88025.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: > I like that idea also. i am a University Student and cant afford RHEL but i > do run my own server here. and i dont want to have to upgrade or rebuild and > test it every 4-6 months Then *don't*. This isn't MS, nobody (other than perhaps your boss) is forcing you to do that, From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Wed Sep 24 15:09:40 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark A. Hoover) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030924130910.17247.88025.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: From: Bill Anderson >> I like that idea also. i am a University Student and cant afford RHEL >> but i do run my own server here. and i dont want to have to upgrade or >> rebuild and test it every 4-6 months > > Then *don't*. This isn't MS, nobody (other than perhaps your boss) is > forcing you to do that, I won't make claims for Fedora, but with the traditional RedHat series they essentially are forcing you to upgrade. If you don't keep up with the upgrades, you no longer get updates via RHN. I once had a 6.2 server that I only did RHN updates on and never upgraded from 6.2 due to the fact that it worked and I didn't want to mess with it. I logged in one day to find I'd been rooted via a SSH exploit that was updated in the 7.x+ channels, but not down the 6.2 channels. Sure, nobody's holding a gun to your head, but if you want to have all the security updates, you *are* forced to do the major version upgrades. From tdiehl at rogueind.com Wed Sep 24 15:12:45 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Martin wrote: > Hi, > > my Severn box has 2 NICs and I would like to use it as a router for my > DSL connection. Unfortunately I have no clue how to configure NAT (and > portforwarding) :( I managed to get the box on the net using the > Internet Configuration Wizard and I can ping the second NIC > (192.168.1.1) from my other machine (192.168.1.2) but I still have to > find out how to NAT and forward ports. So if anybody knows if/how I > can do this with redhat-network-config or any other way I would be > very greatful for any advice. You might want to look at things like fwbuilder (my personal favorite), gShield, or shorewall. All of them make building a router/NAT/firewall an whole lot easier. They each have their strong points and weaknesses. If your just trying to get things up and running and you can live with its limitations gShield has a very low cost of entry. It is nothing more than a group of shell scripts that you set some variables in a config file and load. I used it for a long time until my needs exceeded its ability ( I needed to be able to handle 4 interfaces and gShield cannot do this). HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 15:14:50 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: from "Mark A. Hoover" at Med 24, 2003 11:09:40 Message-ID: <200309241514.h8OFEou27040@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Sure, nobody's holding a gun to your head, but if you want to have all the > security updates, you *are* forced to do the major version upgrades. Or get enough other people together doing fixes as a group. Its a hard and expensive business and it gets harder and harder with time. Nobody is stopping groups of people getting together and doing the work though. From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Sep 24 15:33:01 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 24 Sep 2003 11:33:01 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... Message-ID: <1064417580.21815.82.camel@spatula> Mark A. Hoover: > Sure, nobody's holding a gun to your head, but if you want to have all > the security updates, you *are* forced to do the major version > upgrades. No actually you are not...you could in fact...support yourself if you want to invest the time and energy to watch for security updates and do the security patch backports and recompile for your legacy systems that you do not want to touch unnecessarily. But really what you want is the option to have someone else do all the work for you...for as long as you want that work done..without paying a reasonable fee for that time and energy expenditure. There is a cost associated with providing those security updates...whether that cost ends up being monetary in that you pay someone to do the dirty work for you...or the cost is in your personal time in an effort to support yourself..there is a cost. If anything...Fedora has the potential, through the Fedora Legacy to explore more ways on how to deal with the cost of prolonged maintenance. Will fedora legacy be a place where a volunteer effort to burden that cost take root? Will fedora legacy provide a framework where different for pay service providers compete for customers and at the same time give back to the community? Can fedora legacy be something useful for equipment builders aiming at customers who have different needs than what the RHEL solution provides? There are a lot of competing interests involved with distribution building...and I can very much see how prolonged maintenance is not something near and dear to the hearts of project developers, the people writing a significant amount of the code thats going into fedora core. But as policies develop I hope Fedora Legacy will be molded into a useful solution where the community members primarily interested in having a longer maintance lifetime can scratch their itch, and over time gain influence in the new regime. -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We've been deploying RedHat Linux in the last four years, have built up a very comfortable installation suite and centralized software distribution mechanism, basicly, today, we are there where we wanted to be with RedHat Linux when we started a couple of years ago... The "Fedora" project did not catch us by surprise, though, the moment RH introduced the one year product life cycle, it was pretty much clear to me that such a move would come. However, as I said, if we don't get a decent site license from RedHat, we'll drop it and move to Debian which is successfully deployed in other departements of our university. And yes, I'm RHCE (7.2)... Greetz Marc From ted at cypress.com Wed Sep 24 15:49:45 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:49:45 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <3F71BD19.9040806@cypress.com> Sorry Matthis, I lost the previous message:) Matthias Saou wrote: > Maynard Kuona wrote : >>Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but they >>are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. Xine's UI >>is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration into the system That is OPINION. I like Xine's UI. I also like the ogle gui. I relly like that I'm not forced to use it. A replacement could be developed that I might like better. I have no problem deling with multiple toolkits. I work with GNOME, GTK+, Motif, and Xt based apps all the time. I have NO problems using any of them. I acutally find Win32 and MFC apps BORING, especially MFC. I also have a lot of time with text only systems, and again had no problems, as well as the Atari ST, and Amiga GUI's. I often miss the varitey of those days. Imagine of every car you sat in looked the same inside (they already look trhe same outside). Sure some general guidelines, like making the spedometer clearly visable and easily readable, but is the speedo round, arced, verticle, or horizontal? My new vehicle, '00 Mercury, has a round one, my old car, a '70 Cadillac, has it horizontal. I used to switch between an automatic on the column, one on the floor, and a manual on the floor. Am I that unusual in that I had no problems? >>(KDE/GNOME). They do have frontends for KDE/GNOME, but these are usually >>half baked, and imcomplete. I think there is more to a media player than They do what the developer wants them to. If you want more, write it. Take the front end you like best and add the missing features. That the bueaty of open source. Cannot write? Pay someone to write it for you. Try getting the code for Windows Media Player or WinAmp to add a feature you want, or remove one you don't like. -Thomas From hosting at j2solutions.net Wed Sep 24 16:02:27 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:02:27 -0700 Subject: Red Hat Training and Fedora In-Reply-To: <200309241131.h8OBVxA11563@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309241131.h8OBVxA11563@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309240733.41276.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 24 September 2003 04:31, Alan Cox uttered: > There is no plan for any kind of certification for Fedora. Obviously an > RHCE/RHCT says a lot about the ability to work on Fedora but the business > oriented distribution is Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and it is that which > the RHCE/CT is oriented to. Then is there a plan to move the RHCE/CT program to RHEL curriculum? What about those of us that are certified now, do we still get the special deals on re-taking the class to update our certs? -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From smoogen at lanl.gov Wed Sep 24 16:17:11 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:17:11 -0600 Subject: 3rd Party vendors In-Reply-To: <3F71B423.3030407@earthlink.net> References: <200309241436.h8OEaqZ06387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F71B423.3030407@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1064420231.7414.29.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> 3rd party vendors who do binary only items have been very much like the retail outlets that people keep saying Red Hat didnt do enough for.. they want little change within 18-24 month segments (unless they are the ones initiating the change). They want to push the same product for that long and do not want to be told that within 6 months its all changed. Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From smoogen at lanl.gov Wed Sep 24 16:22:53 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:22:53 -0600 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <200309241514.h8OFEou27040@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309241514.h8OFEou27040@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064420572.7414.34.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> I love to laugh at these same conversations on the Debian lists where people complain that slink doesnt get support anymore but don't want to work on the updates themselves. [COmputers are hard, lets go whiining.] On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 09:14, Alan Cox wrote: > > Sure, nobody's holding a gun to your head, but if you want to have all the > > security updates, you *are* forced to do the major version upgrades. > > Or get enough other people together doing fixes as a group. Its a hard > and expensive business and it gets harder and harder with time. Nobody is > stopping groups of people getting together and doing the work though. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From michel.galle at devinci.fr Wed Sep 24 16:23:53 2003 From: michel.galle at devinci.fr (Michel Galle) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:23:53 +0200 Subject: fedora-test-list digest, Vol 1 #182 - 27 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030924160012.2801.9462.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030924160012.2801.9462.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064420632.16950.16.camel@lain.devinci.fr> Hi Do you think to include TOTEM (0.99.5) in fedora ? totem is a gnome2 interface to XINE or Gstreamer. with xine it's already quite useable, very great. goodbye -- Michel Galle (michel.galle at devinci.fr) D?partement syst?me r?seaux (ser at devinci.fr) Ing?nieur Syst?me Unix,Windows / P?le Universitaire L?onard de Vinci Poste : 7042 From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Wed Sep 24 16:42:55 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark A. Hoover) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030924160012.2801.9462.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: From: Alan Cox >> Sure, nobody's holding a gun to your head, but if you want to have all >> the security updates, you *are* forced to do the major version >> upgrades. > >Or get enough other people together doing fixes as a group. Its a hard >and expensive business and it gets harder and harder with time. Nobody is >stopping groups of people getting together and doing the work though. Easier said then done I'm afraid. While I do progam a little on the side, a lot of the code I've seen is way beyond anything I understand. From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Wed Sep 24 16:46:00 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark A. Hoover) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030924160012.2801.9462.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: From: Jef Spaleta >> Sure, nobody's holding a gun to your head, but if you want to have all >> the security updates, you *are* forced to do the major version >> upgrades. > >No actually you are not...you could in fact...support yourself if you >want to invest the time and energy to watch for security updates and do >the security patch backports and recompile for your legacy systems that >you do not want to touch unnecessarily. But really what you want is the >option to have someone else do all the work for you...for as long as you >want that work done..without paying a reasonable fee for that time and >energy expenditure. I take great offence at that statement. I've stated many times on the RHN lists when they announced the end of the 7.x support on RHN that I'd be more than happy to pay the $60/yr RHN fee for continued updates down that channel. As for the RHEL channel, I'm sure that's a great solution for businesses, but last I checked, I'm not a business. From jspaleta at princeton.edu Wed Sep 24 16:58:09 2003 From: jspaleta at princeton.edu (Jef Spaleta) Date: 24 Sep 2003 12:58:09 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... Message-ID: <1064422688.21815.101.camel@spatula> > I take great offence at that statement. I've stated many times on the > RHN lists when they announced the end of the 7.x support on RHN that > I'd be more than happy to pay the $60/yr RHN fee for continued updates > down that channel. As for the RHEL channel, I'm sure that's a great > solution for businesses, but last I checked, I'm not a business. The definition of a reasonable fee is a hard thing to come to consensus on. If $60 a year makes for a reasonable service business model, hopefully we will see someone offering such a service at that price based on Fedora Legacy. Hopefully we will see several people competing for that type of service and then rolling their contributions back into the community. -jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markj at jeanmougin.org Wed Sep 24 17:50:14 2003 From: markj at jeanmougin.org (Mark W. Jeanmougin) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Memo: Red Hat Linux & Fedora (fwd) Message-ID: Here is a memo that I sent to my employers where I outline how we will be affected by the Fedora / Red Hat merger. Like many other companies out there, we have RHL deployed without paying Red Hat for support. Hopefully others will be able to correct any factual errors I have. I hope that someone else may be able to use this to inform their management of upcoming changes. Thanks, MJ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:52:47 -0400 Subject: Memo: Red Hat Linux & Fedora This week, Red Hat and Fedora Project announced their merger. Red Hat is, of course, the US's largest distributor of Linux based operating systems. "Fedora is a community project dedicated to building high-quality, 3rd party rpms, for the Red Hat Linux distribution." [1] As a result of this merger, the future direction of the Red Hat Linux project has changed. Things aren't set in stone yet, but it appears that we have reached the end of gratis Linux distributions from Red Hat. Red Hat will continue to market, develop, and support their Red Hat Enterprise software products specifically designed around the needs of large corporations, such as ourselves. The Red Hat Enterprise series includes distributions tailored toward workstation use as well as two different server distributions tailored to large or small servers. The Red Hat Enterprise series runs on seven different hardware platforms and has a release cycle of 12 - 18 months to make things easier on enterprise system administrators. The old Red Hat Linux product is now becoming the Fedora Project. Please note that the name isn't set in stone yet. The advantage to enthusiast users is that Fedora will provide more software and it will be updated quicker to ensure that people are always using the latest and greatest software. End users will be able to make contributions easily to improve the product. This frees up some resources within Red Hat to concentrate on the stability and scalability of the Red Hat Enterprise line. Red Hat does not intend to sell the Fedora Project through retail channels. They've found that their current Red Hat Linux product, with it's 6 month release cycles, is too difficult to make a profit on, in the retail channel. By solely distributing Fedora electronically (and for no cost), Red Hat can offer a product with short release cycles to keep the geeks happy. Red Hat does not intend to sell support for the Fedora Project. They will support the Red Hat Enterprise products. This is critical as we consider that all released Red Hat Linux products have had their end of support dates announced[2]. Red Hat Linux 9 goes out of support on 30 Apr 2004. All earlier versions go out of support at the end of this year. There is talk within the community that the community will continue to support the older Red Hat Linux products as part of the Fedora Project, but that is still uncertain. I cannot emphasize enough that there is community interest in this. If we want to continue to run older versions, we should consider adding our support to this effort. Of course, through the beauty of Open Source, third parties (such as IBM or others) may consider to support whatever their customers are willing to pay them to support. The first release of Fedora Project Linux is not yet available. It's due out, well, "when it's ready". At this point, we're hoping that'll be in early November. At that point, the name, support, and distribution methods will be set. Feel free to address any questions to me. MJ [1] http://www.fedora.us/index-main.html [2] http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ ------------------------------------------ Worms, crashes, proprietary file formats, obfuscated communications protocols...and you paid how much?!? From notting at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 18:21:01 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:21:01 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: ; from mahoover@ispaceonline.org on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:46:00PM -0400 References: <20030924160012.2801.9462.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030924142101.A18547@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Mark A. Hoover (mahoover at ispaceonline.org) said: > I take great offence at that statement. I've stated many times on the RHN > lists when they announced the end of the 7.x support on RHN that I'd be > more than happy to pay the $60/yr RHN fee for continued updates down that > channel. As for the RHEL channel, I'm sure that's a great solution for > businesses, but last I checked, I'm not a business. A single person paying $60 a year does not cover the expense. Heck, it doesn't even cover the epxense of office supplies for the person doing that work. IOW, the price cannot be determined without knowing the number of people willing to buy it. Not speaking as a Red Hat cost analysis person, I'd expect that given the cost of maintaing the OS, and the number of people actually willing to buy that support for 6.2, the cost would be significantly higher than $60. Bill From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Sep 24 18:43:44 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:43:44 -0600 Subject: Memo: Red Hat Linux & Fedora (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064429024.27161.11.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 11:50, Mark W. Jeanmougin wrote: > Here is a memo that I sent to my employers where I outline how we will be > affected by the Fedora / Red Hat merger. Like many other companies out > there, we have RHL deployed without paying Red Hat for support. > > Hopefully others will be able to correct any factual errors I have. I > hope that someone else may be able to use this to inform their management > of upcoming changes. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:52:47 -0400 > Subject: Memo: Red Hat Linux & Fedora > > This week, Red Hat and Fedora Project announced their merger. Red Hat is, > of course, the US's largest distributor of Linux based operating systems. > "Fedora is a community project dedicated to building high-quality, 3rd party > rpms, for the Red Hat Linux distribution." [1] > > As a result of this merger, the future direction of the Red Hat Linux > project has changed. Things aren't set in stone yet, but it appears that we > have reached the end of gratis Linux distributions from Red Hat. > > Red Hat will continue to market, develop, and support their Red Hat The only things I would add in there would be: 1) While Red Hat will not be providing *support* for Fedora (the community will do this), Red Hat *will* be providing updates for Fedora via RHN. A number of third-party repositories in the community will also carry add-ons (is that the correct term?) to Fedora. These third parties may or may not make their repositories available free of charge, although it looks like the majority will be free at the moment. 2) Red Hat intends that new features implemented in Fedora will likely make their way into RHEL, either via updates to RHEL or via new releases when they occur. Can't think of anything else right now... Anyone have other corrections / additions / deletions? Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From hosting at j2solutions.net Wed Sep 24 18:56:17 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:56:17 -0700 Subject: Memo: Red Hat Linux & Fedora (fwd) In-Reply-To: <1064429024.27161.11.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1064429024.27161.11.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200309241156.17206.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 24 September 2003 11:43, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > 1) While Red Hat will not be providing *support* for Fedora (the > community will do this), Red Hat *will* be providing updates for > Fedora via RHN. A number of third-party repositories in the community > will also carry add-ons (is that the correct term?) to Fedora. These > third parties may or may not make their repositories available free > of charge, although it looks like the majority will be free at the > moment. Clarify this with "for a much shorter period of time than previously". Errata period is now 3~4 months after the next release, instead of 6~8 months. Product livespan is now 9~ months instead of 12~. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From eric at interplas.com Wed Sep 24 19:00:08 2003 From: eric at interplas.com (Eric Wood) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:00:08 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Linux & Fedora (fwd) References: Message-ID: <012101c382ce$12c3c6c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Mark W. Jeanmougin wrote: > The advantage to enthusiast users is that Fedora will provide more > software and it will be updated quicker to ensure that people are RedHat has always been known for getting security errata out the door days before the other distro guys. Now, it is uncertain if errata updates will be released in a timely manner - will RH still step up to the plate in regards to this?. For example, if Fedora was out and the openssh bug was found, how would it have be fixed. Also, will RedHat continue to put 'value-added' features into Fedora, such as anaconda, printconf, setup, and all those other redhat-xxx-xxx programs? Will RH still "do their part"? Or will these redhat specific value-added programs be orphaned only to be enhanced further on the RHEL side? It's still a bit confusing until we see a maintainer-to-package comparison page. -Eric Wood From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 19:06:25 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Red Hat Linux & Fedora (fwd) In-Reply-To: <012101c382ce$12c3c6c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> from "Eric Wood" at Med 24, 2003 03:00:08 Message-ID: <200309241906.h8OJ6P616198@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > RedHat has always been known for getting security errata out the door days > before the other distro guys. Now, it is uncertain if errata updates will > be released in a timely manner - will RH still step up to the plate in For the maintained core yes. For the extras/addons it will be up to the maintainers of those packages but stuff which isnt getting fixed is unlikely to stay in extras. > 'value-added' features into Fedora, such as anaconda, printconf, setup, and > all those other redhat-xxx-xxx programs? Will RH still "do their part"? Or Yes. From nu1sg at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 19:07:45 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Forumns instead of email? Message-ID: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Any one else left stunned by the constant deluge of emails all day long? I am not sure who is in control here, or if there is any at all :) Freesco ( http://forums.freesco.org/support/index.php ) has a nice php forumn. I could see something like this be very suitable for beta testing. - Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 19:11:06 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:11:06 -0400 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <1064378915.13825.82.camel@binkley>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:48:36AM -0400 References: <000601c381e0$0bb0f630$196d9e89@pegasus> <1064376197.13334.39.camel@dhcppc3> <1064378915.13825.82.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20030924151106.A8880@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:48:36AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > Well, I think there is some amount of a requirement for glibc and things > to play along with the stock kernels. If I remember correctly, > installing a vanilla kernel on rhl 9 will cause hot flaming death of > nptl and make an array of things just a lot unhappy. Actually, it's the other way around. Stick an RHL9 kernel on an older release and about 20 packages that rely on broken semantics fixed in NPTL will blow up. It has always been a very important goal of Red Hat Linux that vanilla kernels can run on it. It's very important to me that this is a very important goal of Fedora Core as well. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Sep 24 19:11:55 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:11:55 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Linux & Fedora (fwd) In-Reply-To: <012101c382ce$12c3c6c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> References: <012101c382ce$12c3c6c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> Message-ID: <1064430715.13825.188.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 15:00, Eric Wood wrote: > Mark W. Jeanmougin wrote: > > The advantage to enthusiast users is that Fedora will provide more > > software and it will be updated quicker to ensure that people are > > RedHat has always been known for getting security errata out the door days > before the other distro guys. Now, it is uncertain if errata updates will > be released in a timely manner - will RH still step up to the plate in > regards to this?. For example, if Fedora was out and the openssh bug was > found, how would it have be fixed. well, for example there were no fewer than 5 of us on #fedora and on the freshrpms mailing list who had applied the same patches and pushed functional packages before red hat did for the openssh problems. -sv From ivan at dreamtime.org Wed Sep 24 19:13:49 2003 From: ivan at dreamtime.org (Ivan A. Beveridge) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:13:49 +0100 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>; from nu1sg@yahoo.com on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:07:45PM -0700 References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030924201349.A26510@dreamtime.org> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:07:45PM -0700, Daniel Durgin wrote: > Any one else left stunned by the constant deluge of > emails all day long? I am not sure who is in control > here, or if there is any at all :) > > Freesco ( http://forums.freesco.org/support/index.php > ) has a nice php forumn. I could see something like > this be very suitable for beta testing. If you want to "dip into" messages then forums may be better. Email filtering gives much more control to be able to score/delete/etc stuff, and search for what you are looking for. AIUI the archives of this list are available on-line, so you could use that. I'm not sure if you can opt to not receive the emails. -- Ivan Beveridge From ivan at dreamtime.org Wed Sep 24 19:17:31 2003 From: ivan at dreamtime.org (Ivan A. Beveridge) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:17:31 +0100 Subject: Red Hat Linux & Fedora (fwd) In-Reply-To: <1064430715.13825.188.camel@binkley>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 03:11:55PM -0400 References: <012101c382ce$12c3c6c0$9100000a@intgrp.com> <1064430715.13825.188.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20030924201731.B26510@dreamtime.org> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 03:11:55PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 15:00, Eric Wood wrote: > > RedHat has always been known for getting security errata out the door days > > before the other distro guys. Now, it is uncertain if errata updates will > > be released in a timely manner - will RH still step up to the plate in > > regards to this?. For example, if Fedora was out and the openssh bug was > > found, how would it have be fixed. > > well, for example there were no fewer than 5 of us on #fedora and on the > freshrpms mailing list who had applied the same patches and pushed > functional packages before red hat did for the openssh problems. Adding to that, I've noticed that fedora is often ahead of RH in releasing security updates (they do/did it in such a way that the RHL updates upgrade fedora ones, to try to "stay true" to RHL). I'm not aware of release / QA procedures in each case, however. -- Ivan Beveridge From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 19:24:52 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:24:52 -0400 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924201349.A26510@dreamtime.org>; from ivan@dreamtime.org on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:13:49PM +0100 References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <20030924201349.A26510@dreamtime.org> Message-ID: <20030924152452.B8880@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:13:49PM +0100, Ivan A. Beveridge wrote: > AIUI the archives of this list are available on-line, so you could use that. > I'm not sure if you can opt to not receive the emails. Yes, you can opt to not recieve the emails. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From gxy3139 at njit.edu Wed Sep 24 19:44:15 2003 From: gxy3139 at njit.edu (Guo Yang) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:44:15 -0400 Subject: module-init-tools package Message-ID: <3F71F40F.5090301@njit.edu> Hello, When I tried to install the latest unofficial 2.6 kernel (kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.i686.rpm ), I was told it depends on "module-init-tools" package. I checked the rawhide and couldnot find one. Does anybody else have the same problem? Thanks, Guo From nu1sg at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 19:46:25 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> My intension was to offer a possible alternative to the way things are done: i.e. Business Process Engineering (BPR). Last plug for Forums: the Freesco one as a nice feature that will automatically show you the new posts, so noone has to "dig around" for current topics. Anyway, just offering a suggestion. - Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From johnsonm at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 19:52:10 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:52:10 -0400 Subject: OK, so it's the Fedora Project, but is it still called Red HatLinux? In-Reply-To: <3F71B423.3030407@earthlink.net>; from bwheadley@earthlink.net on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 10:11:31AM -0500 References: <200309241436.h8OEaqZ06387@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F71B423.3030407@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030924155210.C8880@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 10:11:31AM -0500, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > The point is, people who do binary drivers will be cursed by platform > movement, not only with relatively new products (RH9, RHE, etc.) but > also older products (7.1, 8), as there's legacy support, whenever a > kernel is released for the given platform. They undertake similar risks > with Fedora as they will with RHE in the future. RHEL kernels won't be moving to whole new versions; we keep change there to a minimum. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From dwa2 at eng.buffalo.edu Wed Sep 24 19:59:50 2003 From: dwa2 at eng.buffalo.edu (David W Aquilina) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs Message-ID: Greetings all, I'm attempting to create some custom Severn ISOs (mainly to include a kickstart file and such) however I'm running into some problems that I never saw when doing the same with RHL 9.0. The CD created from the custom ISO boots without a problem, however the installer complains that "The Red Hat Linux CD was not found in any of your CDROM drives". I created the CD by copying the contents of the first Severn CD to a directory, making my modifications, and then creating the ISO via this command: "mkisofs -r -T -J -V "Custom Severn Disk 1 of 3" -b images/bootdisk.img -o CustomSevern1.iso /CD1" (/CD1 being the path to the directory) This process worked just fine for Shrike (Red Hat Linux 9). Any thoughts? Thanks! -- David Aquilina From robert at lowbud.com Wed Sep 24 20:06:41 2003 From: robert at lowbud.com (Robert Renling) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:06:41 +0200 Subject: Bluecurve changes In-Reply-To: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1064434001.8430.6.camel@signal.fearmuffs.net> ons 2003-09-24 klockan 03.45 skrev Robert G. (Doc) Savage: > Add my vote to those who prefer Shrike's Bluecurve to Severn's. The > lines forming the min/max/close cluster in the upper right corner are > much too thin. The blue corners that allowed simultaneous vertical and > horizontal resizing are gone altogether. I'd have to second this too, the previous versions were much more visually appealing and a good testament to solid ui design. The new one is more something designed the other way around, the disregard for fitt's law is the issue I would like to see resolved. > > Call this one Bluecurve-Lite if you want, but please give us the > original Bluecurve back. Indeed. > > --Doc Savage > Fairview Heights, IL > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Sep 24 20:15:08 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:15:08 -0400 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> Daniel Durgin wrote: >My intension was to offer a possible alternative to >the way things are done: i.e. Business Process >Engineering (BPR). > >Last plug for Forums: the Freesco one as a nice >feature that will automatically show you the new >posts, so noone has to "dig around" for current >topics. > > looks like the freesco site is using phpBB for their forums. phpBB is really easy to set up and looks and works really well to boot! i also think use of a forum would be quite handy! Keep the mailing lists for those that prefer to go through 150-200 emails per day - and offer the phpBB forums for us lazy buggers that like to click a search button - type a couple of keywords - and have all the goodies spat out for us 8) pantz From steve at rueb.com Wed Sep 24 20:23:45 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:23:45 -0500 Subject: Bluecurve changes In-Reply-To: <1064434001.8430.6.camel@signal.fearmuffs.net> References: <1064367927.4569.30.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> <1064434001.8430.6.camel@signal.fearmuffs.net> Message-ID: <1064435025.4419.7.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> > > Call this one Bluecurve-Lite if you want, but please give us the > > original Bluecurve back. > > Indeed. > Shrike's Bluecurve was so wonderfully simple and clean. Severn's is OK, but the clutter is beginning. Also, the edges of the title bar just don't look right to me, especially when right up against the edge of a panel or another window. I'd like to see the old Bluecurve back, at least in that respect. From marian at gg3d.com Wed Sep 24 20:33:09 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:33:09 +0200 Subject: module-init-tools package In-Reply-To: <3F71F40F.5090301@njit.edu> References: <3F71F40F.5090301@njit.edu> Message-ID: <1064435589.2453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> W li?cie z ?ro, 24-09-2003, godz. 21:44, Guo Yang pisze: > Hello, > > When I tried to install the latest unofficial 2.6 kernel > (kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.i686.rpm > ), > I was told it depends on "module-init-tools" package. I checked the > rawhide and couldnot find one. Does anybody else have the same problem? I have this problem too! -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From marian at gg3d.com Wed Sep 24 20:34:17 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:34:17 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064435657.2453.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> W li?cie z ?ro, 24-09-2003, godz. 21:07, Daniel Durgin pisze: > Any one else left stunned by the constant deluge of > emails all day long? I am not sure who is in control > here, or if there is any at all :) > > Freesco ( http://forums.freesco.org/support/index.php > ) has a nice php forumn. I could see something like > this be very suitable for beta testing. Forum is good idea, look at forum.gentoo.org, best linux forum in net! > > > - Dan > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From jdy at cs.brown.edu Wed Sep 24 20:31:43 2003 From: jdy at cs.brown.edu (Joel Young) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:31:43 -0400 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:15:08 EDT." <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> References: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <20030924203143.259DF3F30@void.cs.brown.edu> -------- From: Paul Pianta > for those that prefer to go through 150-200 emails per day - and offer there is always gmane... Joel From notting at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 20:37:33 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:37:33 -0400 Subject: module-init-tools package In-Reply-To: <1064435589.2453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from marian@gg3d.com on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 10:33:09PM +0200 References: <3F71F40F.5090301@njit.edu> <1064435589.2453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030924163733.B7212@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Mariusz Smyku?a (marian at gg3d.com) said: > W li?cie z ?ro, 24-09-2003, godz. 21:44, Guo Yang pisze: > > Hello, > > > > When I tried to install the latest unofficial 2.6 kernel > > (kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.i686.rpm > > ), > > I was told it depends on "module-init-tools" package. I checked the > > rawhide and couldnot find one. Does anybody else have the same problem? > > I have this problem too! Install with --nodeps. The requirement was added before any corresponding modutils was actually built. Bill From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 24 20:39:11 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> References: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <3689.209.239.137.188.1064435951.squirrel@whooper.org> Paul Pianta said: > Daniel Durgin wrote: [snip] >>Last plug for Forums: the Freesco one as a nice >>feature that will automatically show you the new >>posts, so noone has to "dig around" for current >>topics. New posts to the mailing list show up automatically in my inbox (well, a folder anyway). > looks like the freesco site is using phpBB for their forums. > phpBB is really easy to set up and looks and works really well to boot! > > i also think use of a forum would be quite handy! Keep the mailing lists > for those that prefer to go through 150-200 emails per day - and offer > the phpBB forums for us lazy buggers that like to click a search button > - type a couple of keywords - and have all the goodies spat out for us [snip] The mailing list archives are searchable: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/ There is even a button for "Search all lists". -- William Hooper From gxy3139 at njit.edu Wed Sep 24 20:46:10 2003 From: gxy3139 at njit.edu (Guo Yang) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:46:10 -0400 Subject: module-init-tools package In-Reply-To: <20030924163733.B7212@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F71F40F.5090301@njit.edu> <1064435589.2453.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030924163733.B7212@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F720292.9000903@njit.edu> Bill Nottingham wrote: >Mariusz Smyku?a (marian at gg3d.com) said: > > >>W li?cie z ?ro, 24-09-2003, godz. 21:44, Guo Yang pisze: >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>When I tried to install the latest unofficial 2.6 kernel >>>(kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.i686.rpm >>>), >>>I was told it depends on "module-init-tools" package. I checked the >>>rawhide and couldnot find one. Does anybody else have the same problem? >>> >>> >>I have this problem too! >> >> > >Install with --nodeps. The requirement was added before any >corresponding modutils was actually built. > >Bill > > Thanks alot! From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Sep 24 20:48:29 2003 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:48:29 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> References: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <20030924204829.GB7742@orient.maison> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 04:15:08PM -0400, Paul Pianta wrote: > > i also think use of a forum would be quite handy! Keep the mailing lists > for those that prefer to go through 150-200 emails per day - and offer > the phpBB forums for us lazy buggers that like to click a search button > - type a couple of keywords - and have all the goodies spat out for us 8) man grepmail Emmanuel From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Sep 24 20:51:39 2003 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:51:39 -0400 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030924205139.GA6437@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 12:07:45PM -0700, Daniel Durgin wrote: > Freesco ( http://forums.freesco.org/support/index.php > ) has a nice php forumn. I could see something like > this be very suitable for beta testing. Gahh! Please no. Maybe a nicely configured news server? -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 21:15:21 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 17:15:21 -0400 Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull drag In-Reply-To: <3F71A654.30708@skmoore.com> References: <3F70139C.5010505@skmoore.com> <3F71A654.30708@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <1064438121.18261.158.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 10:12, Stephen Moore wrote: > I notice that no-one relpied to this, does that mean that it only > happens with dual screens (my dual screen)? > No, I run dual head and it works fine. However, I'm running some GNOME CVS snapshot at the moment rather than rawhide GNOME packages. I haven't seen upstream people talking about this problem much - you guys aren't using the wireframe resize mode are you? I wonder if that patch is breaking things even if you aren't. Also possible that this was busted for a few days when the RPM was made and now it's fixed in CVS. > I logged it with gnome metacity, is it a metacity issue or an X issue > (or something else)? Hard to know. I haven't noticed many gnome.org reports though. Havoc From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 21:16:11 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 17:16:11 -0400 Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull drag In-Reply-To: <200309241416.h8OEGFi28104@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309241416.h8OEGFi28104@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064438171.19322.160.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 10:16, Alan Cox wrote: > you also get things like working > window resizing back Is this a new bug or the "does not force to 800x600" thing? Havoc From katzj at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 21:18:00 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:18:00 -0400 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064438280.25413.12.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 15:59, David W Aquilina wrote: > The CD created from the custom ISO boots without a problem, however the > installer complains that "The Red Hat Linux CD was not found in any of > your CDROM drives". Did you miss copying the .discinfo file? Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 21:18:26 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:18:26 -0400 Subject: Core Packages? (was: Fedora Core, Fedora Project, Fedora/GNU, Fedora BSD, Fedora Coupe deVille, Fedora ala mode) In-Reply-To: <200309240040.30319.hoyt@cavtel.net> References: <200309240029.h8O0TWp12614@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309240040.30319.hoyt@cavtel.net> Message-ID: <1064438306.25413.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 00:40, HoytDuff wrote: > On Tuesday 23 September 2003 08:29 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Could we keep the "You can't say that your thing is based on ours" > > > language out of this one? > > > > In some cases. You don't want to order a Fedora Core CD and find its not > > Fedora for example. > > Is there a list of packages to be found on the "Core CD"? It's basically http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/package-list/. There have been some updates and changes since that list was created, though. Jeremy From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 21:19:10 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 17:19:10 -0400 Subject: bluecurve misalignment In-Reply-To: <3F71A3FC.3050302@skmoore.com> References: <3F71A3FC.3050302@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <1064438350.18261.162.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 10:02, Stephen Moore wrote: > the minimise/maximise/close icons are not always right aligned in full > screen mode > > doesnt happen in rh9 > > is it a bug? Yes, metacity bug I believe. Also happens with Atlanta theme. I haven't had a chance to investigate. Havoc From mike at netlyncs.com Wed Sep 24 21:32:42 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:32:42 -0500 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064439161.19280.3.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:07, Daniel Durgin wrote: > Any one else left stunned by the constant deluge of > emails all day long? I am not sure who is in control > here, or if there is any at all :) Better yet, take the non-beta talk, as in why are you doing this now or what do you mean by this now stuff, to the fedora-list@ email list and discuss it there. There is still a beta and another one coming tomorrow sometime that we can discuss bugs about and such. Kinda of tired of seeing all this talk, much less twice at times on different mailing lists. Get the discussions to the appropriate lists, as that is what they were created for. Thanks, -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "I'd insult you, but you wouldn't know the difference!" From j.sanchezf at terra.es Wed Sep 24 21:33:14 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:33:14 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <20030924205139.GA6437@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:51:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > Maybe a nicely configured news server? Like news.gmane.org, for instance? Julio From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Sep 24 22:05:33 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:05:33 -0500 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <20030924205139.GA6437@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1064441133.6321.14.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 16:33, Julio Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:51:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > Maybe a nicely configured news server? > > Like news.gmane.org, for instance? > Would you please stop cross-posting to both fedora-list and fedora-test-list? Thanks. Gerry From hp at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 22:11:29 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 24 Sep 2003 18:11:29 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F71BD19.9040806@cypress.com> References: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F71BD19.9040806@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1064441489.18261.178.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 11:49, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Sorry Matthis, I lost the previous message:) > > Matthias Saou wrote: > > Maynard Kuona wrote : > >>Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but they > >>are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. Xine's UI > >>is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration into the system > > That is OPINION. I like Xine's UI. I also like the ogle gui. I relly > like that I'm not forced to use it. A replacement could be developed > that I might like better. I have no problem deling with multiple > toolkits. I work with GNOME, GTK+, Motif, and Xt based apps all the > time. I have NO problems using any of them. > It's great to have variety, but there are some technical issues with apps that don't use the standard toolkits that lead us to prefer toolkit-using apps as the defaults. Some of these are a11y, i18n, etc.: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/desktop/defaults.html Anyway, just something to keep in mind. Havoc From bloch at verdurin.com Wed Sep 24 22:26:42 2003 From: bloch at verdurin.com (Adam Huffman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:26:42 +0100 Subject: How about major and minor releases In-Reply-To: <200309241115.h8OBFrk05705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064378915.13825.82.camel@binkley> <200309241115.h8OBFrk05705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030924222641.GA21945@bloch.verdurin.priv> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Alan Cox wrote: > > to play along with the stock kernels. If I remember correctly, > > installing a vanilla kernel on rhl 9 will cause hot flaming death of > > nptl and make an array of things just a lot unhappy. > > If you do that the C library falls back to the old threading code. It > was an absolute requirement that we didn't break the ability to switch > kernels. I don't think any of my RH9 boxes run Red Hat kernels ;) > It can cause problems if you have a kernel without the thread-local storage patches. I've been unable to run some binaries which work with the Red Hat kernels in that situation. From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 22:56:06 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull In-Reply-To: <1064438171.19322.160.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> from "Havoc Pennington" at Med 24, 2003 05:16:11 Message-ID: <200309242256.h8OMu6j21622@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > you also get things like working > > window resizing back > > Is this a new bug or the "does not force to 800x600" thing? Thats the long standing ones about sizing and not accounting for panels. The only new broken behaviour I've seen is the sticking to the mouse when moving/resizing funny. From alan at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 22:56:48 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull In-Reply-To: <1064438121.18261.158.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> from "Havoc Pennington" at Med 24, 2003 05:15:21 Message-ID: <200309242256.h8OMumD22354@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Also possible that this was busted for a few days when the RPM was made > and now it's fixed in CVS. Could be - I can reproduce this rapidly so I'll happily test any updated packages From shugal at gmx.de Wed Sep 24 23:18:37 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:18:37 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? References: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F72264D.ACEB0FFD@gmx.de> Daniel Durgin wrote: > Last plug for Forums: the Freesco one as a nice > feature that will automatically show you the new > posts, so noone has to "dig around" for current > topics. I have used usenet (newsgroups), mailing lists and web forums for quite a long time now. For myself I found mailing lists to be the most effective way, followed by usenet (the high noise (spam) ratio is disturbing there). With a forum I need to be online all the time - bad if you pay by the minute! Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 8.0 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From shugal at gmx.de Wed Sep 24 23:26:45 2003 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:26:45 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? References: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <3F71FB4C.8040006@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <3F722835.AA351268@gmx.de> Paul Pianta wrote: > looks like the freesco site is using phpBB for their forums. > phpBB is really easy to set up and looks and works really well > to boot! But it has had several security issues. See the bugtraq archives at http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1 . > i also think use of a forum would be quite handy! Keep the mailing > lists for those that prefer to go through 150-200 emails per day - > and offer the phpBB forums for us lazy buggers that like to click a > search button - type a couple of keywords - and have all the goodies > spat out for us 8) If you have a decent mail user agent, just type a keyboard shortcut or use the menu to get a serch in messages feature. That will be much faster, and you don't need to be online... Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 8.0 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Sep 24 23:34:34 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:34:34 -0500 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924194625.1875.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064446474.3996.2.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:46, Daniel Durgin wrote: > Last plug for Forums: the Freesco one as a nice > feature that will automatically show you the new > posts, so noone has to "dig around" for current > topics. > > Anyway, just offering a suggestion. Thanks, but no thanks. As was mentioned earlier, email allows one a great deal of flexibility, and the existence of the archive provides web users an avenue, too. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Wed Sep 24 23:40:27 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:40:27 -0500 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <20030924205139.GA6437@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <20030924205139.GA6437@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1064446826.3996.4.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 15:51, Matthew Miller wrote: > Maybe a nicely configured news server? Sorry, many organizations block nntp; web interfaces don't help much. From paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com Thu Sep 25 00:03:26 2003 From: paul.morgan at jumanjihouse.com (Paul Morgan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: bluecurve misalignment In-Reply-To: <3F71A3FC.3050302@skmoore.com> References: <3F71A3FC.3050302@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <1064448206.3996.11.camel@vaio.jumanjihouse.com> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 09:02, Stephen Moore wrote: > the minimise/maximise/close icons are not always right aligned in full > screen mode The misalignment is present to a lesser degree on the left side of a maximized window, too. From kpyau at ec-partners.com Thu Sep 25 00:44:26 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:44:26 +0800 Subject: Mounting samba shares does not work anymore. In-Reply-To: References: <3F716F5B.4020309@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <3F723A6A.9070903@ec-partners.com> are you saying that client in linux does face this problem or windows client does face the problem? Ivo S?rak wrote: > Hello, > > I find it a little puzzling - error is about client not the server. > > Even more strange is that "smb://" in Konqueror is working without any > /etc/samba/smb.conf modifications. > > > Regards, > Ivo Sa"rak. > > > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:18, Nicholas Yau wrote: > >>passwd is plain text, >> >>new samba version by default set the smb.conf file to auth using >>smbpassword, if you want to use plain text, change the option >>into passwd in smb.conf section. >> >>man smb.conf maybe useful for you. >> >>Ivo Sarak wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> With 9.0.93 Severn Beta the following command is working: >>>"mount -t smbfs -o username=guest,password=foobar //machine/share /mountpoint" >>>After upgrade to 9.0.93 Severn Beta Upgrade (aka Fedora), this command is >>>failing with: >>>"Server requested plaintext password but 'client use plaintext auth' is >>>disabled >>>xxxx: tree connect failed: SUCCESS - 0" >>> >>>How do I enable 'client use plaintext auth'? >>> >>> Regards, >>>Ivo Sa"rak. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Sep 25 01:04:05 2003 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:04:05 -0600 Subject: Arjanv and his busted kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 kernel i686 Message-ID: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com> Just grabbed the latest 2.6.0 from arjanv and it has the following BUSTED dep: error: Failed dependencies: module-init-tools is needed by kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 If you download module-init-tools-0.9.13 rpm it and install, it also throws conflict with existing rmmod etc Please fix. Raxet From mahoover at ispaceonline.org Thu Sep 25 01:09:03 2003 From: mahoover at ispaceonline.org (Mark Hoover) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:09:03 -0400 Subject: What are consequences of "merger necessitates removal of ... In-Reply-To: <20030924203603.4483.41238.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030924203603.4483.41238.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F72402F.8000206@ispaceonline.org> From: Bill Nottingham >> I take great offence at that statement. I've stated many times on >> the RHN lists when they announced the end of the 7.x support on RHN >> that I'd be more than happy to pay the $60/yr RHN fee for continued >> updates down that channel. As for the RHEL channel, I'm sure that's >> a great solution for businesses, but last I checked, I'm not a >> business. > > A single person paying $60 a year does not cover the expense. Heck, it > doesn't even cover the epxense of office supplies for the person doing > that work. > > IOW, the price cannot be determined without knowing the number of > people willing to buy it. Not speaking as a Red Hat cost analysis > person, I'd expect that given the cost of maintaing the OS, and the > number of people actually willing to buy that support for 6.2, the > cost would be significantly higher than $60. First of all, I'm not as nieve as you think I am. I'm sure there's more than one person subscribing to RHN. As for the $60/yr, I choose that number as that's what RedHat is currently charging for the single year, single machine subscriptions. Their number, not mine. As for 6.2, I upgraded that machine to 7.3 when I had to rebuild the machine after the incidient described earlier. The last time the subject was brought up in the rhn lists, there were a bunch of people who would have been happy to pay the yearly subscription, but given the impending end of support dates didn't want to since they wouldn't be getting a full years worth of updates out of the subscription fees. How many this would be world-wise I'm not sure. From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 01:21:57 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:21:57 +0200 Subject: module-init-tools package Message-ID: <200309250321.57057.terraformers@gmx.net> hello tried to install with --nodeps, but i get this error: rpm -i --nodeps kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm warning: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 9d6b4012 FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such file or directory No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 mkinitrd failed error: %post(kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 best, lars ps. does "V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 9d6b4012" mean that the package is not signed or that i do not have the proper key? if its the second, where can i get the key for the 2.6 test rpms? From jdow at earthlink.net Thu Sep 25 01:30:23 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:30:23 -0700 Subject: Arjanv and his busted kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 kernel i686 References: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com> Message-ID: <086e01c38304$97ad2300$2eedfea9@kittycat> From: "raxet" > Just grabbed the latest 2.6.0 from arjanv and it has the following > BUSTED dep: > > error: Failed dependencies: > module-init-tools is needed by kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > If you download module-init-tools-0.9.13 rpm it and install, it also > throws conflict with existing rmmod etc Did you try to "-U" instead of "-i" the module-init-tools RPM? You did say "install" rather than "update" so I figured asking might remind you of something. {^_^} From jdow at earthlink.net Thu Sep 25 01:30:57 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:30:57 -0700 Subject: module-init-tools package References: <200309250321.57057.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <087301c38304$ab932180$2eedfea9@kittycat> Update not install, sir. {o.o} ----- Original Message ----- From: "lars" > hello > > tried to install with --nodeps, but i get this error: > > rpm -i --nodeps kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm > warning: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 9d6b4012 > FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such file or directory > No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > mkinitrd failed > error: %post(kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 01:47:15 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:47:15 +0200 Subject: module-init-tools package Message-ID: <200309250347.15126.terraformers@gmx.net> shure with that? i dont want to overwrite my previous installed kernel 2.6 the readme says: "Installing ---------- download the rpm's (pick the proper kernel rpm for your cpu) and only use rpm -i. For the helper packages use rpm -U" don't think "-U" will do good for me here. best, lars --- Update not install, sir. {o.o} ----- Original Message ----- From: "lars" > hello > > tried to install with --nodeps, but i get this error: > > rpm -i --nodeps kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm > warning: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 9d6b4012 > FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such file or directory > No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > mkinitrd failed > error: %post(kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 From gkarabin at pobox.com Thu Sep 25 01:54:52 2003 From: gkarabin at pobox.com (George J Karabin) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:54:52 -0700 Subject: click in title bar in focused window results in unsucessfull drag In-Reply-To: <1064438121.18261.158.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F70139C.5010505@skmoore.com> <3F71A654.30708@skmoore.com> <1064438121.18261.158.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064454892.10315.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:15, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 10:12, Stephen Moore wrote: > > I notice that no-one relpied to this, does that mean that it only > > happens with dual screens (my dual screen)? > > > > No, I run dual head and it works fine. However, I'm running some GNOME > CVS snapshot at the moment rather than rawhide GNOME packages. > > I haven't seen upstream people talking about this problem much - you > guys aren't using the wireframe resize mode are you? I wonder if that > patch is breaking things even if you aren't. > I'm seeing it with rawhide as well. I don't use wireframe, nor do I have dual screens. > Hard to know. I haven't noticed many gnome.org reports though. I hadn't figured out how to describe the issue, myself, but on reading this report, it sounds like exactly what I'm seeing. - George From jdow at earthlink.net Thu Sep 25 02:09:46 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:09:46 -0700 Subject: module-init-tools package References: <200309250347.15126.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <089801c3830a$18339090$2eedfea9@kittycat> Update the utils. Install the kernel. With the required utils installed the kernel should be happy. {^_^} ----- Original Message ----- From: "lars" > shure with that? > > i dont want to overwrite my previous installed kernel 2.6 > > the readme says: > "Installing > ---------- > download the rpm's (pick the proper kernel rpm for your cpu) and only use > rpm -i. For the helper packages use rpm -U" > > > don't think "-U" will do good for me here. > > > best, > lars > > > --- > Update not install, sir. > {o.o} > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lars" > > > hello > > > > tried to install with --nodeps, but i get this error: > > > > rpm -i --nodeps kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm > > warning: kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43.athlon.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, > key ID 9d6b4012 > > FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such file > or directory > > No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > > mkinitrd failed > > error: %post(kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 From notting at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 03:46:16 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:46:16 -0400 Subject: Arjanv and his busted kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 kernel i686 In-Reply-To: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com>; from maxer1@xmission.com on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 07:04:05PM -0600 References: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20030924234616.A13776@devserv.devel.redhat.com> raxet (maxer1 at xmission.com) said: > Just grabbed the latest 2.6.0 from arjanv and it has the following > BUSTED dep: > > error: Failed dependencies: > module-init-tools is needed by kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > If you download module-init-tools-0.9.13 rpm it and install, it also > throws conflict with existing rmmod etc > > Please fix. Install the kernel with nodeps, just make sure you have the latest modutils from rawhide. modutils needs rebuilt with a Provides: added, it just hasn't been done yet. Bill From j.sanchezf at terra.es Thu Sep 25 04:50:22 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:50:22 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? References: <20030924190745.95289.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com> <20030924205139.GA6437@jadzia.bu.edu> <1064441133.6321.14.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:05:33 -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > Would you please stop cross-posting to both fedora-list and > fedora-test-list? What are you talking about? I am not. I'm not even subscribed to fedora-list. Julio From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 04:57:35 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:57:35 -0400 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064465855.16772.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 15:59, David W Aquilina wrote: > Greetings all, > > I'm attempting to create some custom Severn ISOs (mainly to include a > kickstart file and such) however I'm running into some problems that I > never saw when doing the same with RHL 9.0. > > The CD created from the custom ISO boots without a problem, however the > installer complains that "The Red Hat Linux CD was not found in any of > your CDROM drives". > > I created the CD by copying the contents of the first Severn CD to a > directory, making my modifications, and then creating the ISO via this > command: > > "mkisofs -r -T -J -V "Custom Severn Disk 1 of 3" -b images/bootdisk.img > -o CustomSevern1.iso /CD1" > (/CD1 being the path to the directory) > > This process worked just fine for Shrike (Red Hat Linux 9). > > Any thoughts? Look for .discinfo in the root dir of the cd's. Not sure how you would make a custom valid one without letting anaconda make it somehow. Also it seems you aren't using the /isolinux boot method. That could make it hard to boot with certain hardware. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From kpyau at ec-partners.com Thu Sep 25 04:55:36 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:55:36 +0800 Subject: Security Issue - Urgent, Help!!! I got attack!! Message-ID: <3F727548.8070005@ec-partners.com> Some one attack on my server by Flooding and spoofed into DNS I believe it was my own staff. Then They are not control because the security is not tide ! I have a Gateway server called titan.myserv.com 192.168.42.LAN<------->[192.168.42.01] 192.168.43.LAN<------->[192.168.43.01] 192.168.44.LAN<------->[192.168.44.01] [219.93.238.182]<-->[DSL-219.93.238.181] subnetmask = 255.255.255.0 /var/named/192.168.42.db = 25 users /var/named/192.168.43.db = 12 users /var/named/192.168.44.db = 8 users * No DHCP, All Manually assigned ! DNS: -[Cache] -Internal DNS IP = 192.168.42.1,192.168.43.1,192.168.44.1 -External DNS IP = 202.188.0.133,161.142.0.17....more. Description Of DNS configuration : -Forward to external if cant resolved Help In this : 1. Users can simply point to external/ISP DNS without going throught my DNS. I dont want this to happen. 2. I only want IP addessses which existed in /var/named/192 Can do query on the Internal DNS. 3. I hope External DNS is blocked forever, so user cannot directly query External DNS. 4. I hope A computer without an IP and hostname given by administrator in the LAN cannot communicate even they dont Have to resolve IP to Name applications. Thats all. *I had gone throught tldp.org but they had less info i want. Thanks Nicholas From kpyau at ec-partners.com Thu Sep 25 04:58:30 2003 From: kpyau at ec-partners.com (Nicholas Yau) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:58:30 +0800 Subject: Pls help!!! Message-ID: <3F7275F6.2040506@ec-partners.com> Some one attack on my server by Flooding and spoofed into DNS I believe it was my own staff. Then They are not control because the security is not tide ! I have a Gateway server called titan.myserv.com 192.168.42.LAN<------->[192.168.42.01] 192.168.43.LAN<------->[192.168.43.01] 192.168.44.LAN<------->[192.168.44.01] [219.93.238.182]<-->[DSL-219.93.238.181] subnetmask = 255.255.255.0 /var/named/192.168.42.db = 25 users /var/named/192.168.43.db = 12 users /var/named/192.168.44.db = 8 users * No DHCP, All Manually assigned ! DNS: -[Cache] -Internal DNS IP = 192.168.42.1,192.168.43.1,192.168.44.1 -External DNS IP = 202.188.0.133,161.142.0.17....more. Description Of DNS configuration : -Forward to external if cant resolved Help In this : 1. Users can simply point to external/ISP DNS without going throught my DNS. I dont want this to happen. 2. I only want IP addessses which existed in /var/named/192 Can do query on the Internal DNS. 3. I hope External DNS is blocked forever, so user cannot directly query External DNS. 4. I hope A computer without an IP and hostname given by administrator in the LAN cannot communicate even they dont Have to resolve IP to Name applications. Thats all. *I had gone throught tldp.org but they had less info i want. Thanks Nicholas From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 05:08:28 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:08:28 -0400 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <1064438280.25413.12.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064438280.25413.12.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064466508.16772.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 17:18, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 15:59, David W Aquilina wrote: > > The CD created from the custom ISO boots without a problem, however the > > installer complains that "The Red Hat Linux CD was not found in any of > > your CDROM drives". > > Did you miss copying the .discinfo file? > > Jeremy Oh, for those interested in DVD images, I wrote a script that massages the CD isos (or an FTP-like tree) and makes a DVD iso out of them. See: ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/mkdvdiso.sh The script will even call implantisomd5 and make your new shiny DVD iso usable with 'linux mediacheck', although that's only really useful if your source files are known good to start with... The script is still pretty raw, and may not always work yet. If you have suggestions, email me some suggestions. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 07:24:09 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:24:09 +0200 Subject: Log-off screen painting noticeably slower In-Reply-To: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> References: <1064367483.4569.21.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> Message-ID: <1064474649.6258.41.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 03:38, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > We now return to our regularly scheduled beta testing in progress... > > I keep my Severn system regularly up2dated. Lately I've noticed when I > select "Log out" the display no longer darkens smoothly. Now it makes > three distinct passes -- each a little darker than before and separated > by a half beat -- as it displays "Are you sure you want to log off?" > > My X configuration is: > ATI Rage 128 Mobility > LCD Panel 1600x1200 > DefaultDepth 24 > XFree86 4.3.0-32 > > Is anyone else noticing this behavior? Mike Harris? Me too: ATI Radeon 7500QW CRT 1152x864 at 77Hz Depth 24 XFree86 4.3.0-33 Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A compromise that I for one am > willing to live with...... I think the only thing relevant here is whether the owners of the GPLed code in question (i.e. the kernel code and structures Nvidia use) are willing to live with it. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marian at gg3d.com Thu Sep 25 07:42:06 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:42:06 +0200 Subject: Arjanv and his busted kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 kernel i686 In-Reply-To: <20030924234616.A13776@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com> <20030924234616.A13776@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064475726.1805.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> W li?cie z czw, 25-09-2003, godz. 05:46, Bill Nottingham pisze: > raxet (maxer1 at xmission.com) said: > > Just grabbed the latest 2.6.0 from arjanv and it has the following > > BUSTED dep: > > > > error: Failed dependencies: > > module-init-tools is needed by kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > > If you download module-init-tools-0.9.13 rpm it and install, it also > > throws conflict with existing rmmod etc > > > > Please fix. > > Install the kernel with nodeps, just make sure you have the latest > modutils from rawhide. modutils needs rebuilt with a Provides: > added, it just hasn't been done yet. With _latest_ modutils from rawhide I have this problem too!! FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such file or directory No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 mkinitrd failed > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From alan at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 07:46:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Licensed" codecs In-Reply-To: <1064475526.6258.57.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> from "Nils Philippsen" at Med 25, 2003 09:38:46 Message-ID: <200309250746.h8P7k8W01539@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I think the only thing relevant here is whether the owners of the GPLed > code in question (i.e. the kernel code and structures Nvidia use) are > willing to live with it. Sections of the kernel code belong to the FSF 8) From vuhung16duong at yahoo.co.jp Thu Sep 25 07:50:08 2003 From: vuhung16duong at yahoo.co.jp (Bit Takeshi) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:50:08 +0900 (JST) Subject: servern 9.0.93 kernel In-Reply-To: <1064383703.6894.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030925075008.90461.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.co.jp> --- Ben Hsu ????????? > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 00:14, Bit Takeshi wrote: > > > #make menuconfig ( use default .config) > > By "default config" do you mean the config brought > up when you do "make > menuconfig"? Did you copy the appropriate config > file from configs/ > directory? > Yes, I did a "make menuconfig" but when the window poped up, I closed it immediately. No changes made. So I think I have used default /usr/src/linux-2.4/.config, not a file under configs/ directory? I want to upgrade that kernel don't know if there are any newer kernels... Cheers Takeshi's small space: http://www.fedu.uec.ac.jp/~vuhung/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/ From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Sep 25 08:00:35 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:00:35 +0300 Subject: Arjanv and his busted kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 kernel i686 In-Reply-To: <1064475726.1805.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com> <20030924234616.A13776@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064475726.1805.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F72A0A3.5060301@coresma.com> Mariusz Smyku?a wrote: > W li?cie z czw, 25-09-2003, godz. 05:46, Bill Nottingham pisze: > >>raxet (maxer1 at xmission.com) said: >> >>>Just grabbed the latest 2.6.0 from arjanv and it has the following >>>BUSTED dep: >>> >>>error: Failed dependencies: >>> module-init-tools is needed by kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 >>>If you download module-init-tools-0.9.13 rpm it and install, it also >>>throws conflict with existing rmmod etc >>> >>>Please fix. >> >>Install the kernel with nodeps, just make sure you have the latest >>modutils from rawhide. modutils needs rebuilt with a Provides: >>added, it just hasn't been done yet. > > > With _latest_ modutils from rawhide I have this problem too!! > > FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such > file or directory > No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > mkinitrd failed Same here, after upgrading to latest modutils and mkinitrd from rawhide. Pavel. From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Sep 25 09:16:25 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:16:25 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? Message-ID: <01L12VLB8DSY003GIQ@rcum.uni-mb.si> Paul Pianta wrote : >Daniel Durgin wrote: > >>My intension was to offer a possible alternative to >>the way things are done: i.e. Business Process >>Engineering (BPR). >> >>Last plug for Forums: the Freesco one as a nice >>feature that will automatically show you the new >>posts, so noone has to "dig around" for current >>topics. My email client also marks new posts. >looks like the freesco site is using phpBB for their forums. >phpBB is really easy to set up and looks and works really well to boot! > >i also think use of a forum would be quite handy! Keep the mailing lists >for those that prefer to go through 150-200 emails per day - and offer >the phpBB forums for us lazy buggers that like to click a search button >- type a couple of keywords - and have all the goodies spat out for us 8) My email client has a search button too. Besides, the web archives for this list can be used as a forum. It if were decent, you could also post/reply from there, but I guess this is a RFE... -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From jdow at earthlink.net Thu Sep 25 09:50:42 2003 From: jdow at earthlink.net (jdow) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:50:42 -0700 Subject: Arjanv and his busted kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 kernel i686 References: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com> <20030924234616.A13776@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064475726.1805.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F72A0A3.5060301@coresma.com> Message-ID: <090001c3834a$7c5aa640$2eedfea9@kittycat> You CAN create the dep file easily enough, ya know. "man depmod". Now, if after THAT is run, "nevermind". {^_^} Maybe Arjan is trying to teach Linux experimenters some of what they should know by forcing them to learn. {^_-} (It makes a good story, doesn't it?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Rosenboim" > Mariusz Smyku?a wrote: > > > W li?cie z czw, 25-09-2003, godz. 05:46, Bill Nottingham pisze: > > > >>raxet (maxer1 at xmission.com) said: > >> > >>>Just grabbed the latest 2.6.0 from arjanv and it has the following > >>>BUSTED dep: > >>> > >>>error: Failed dependencies: > >>> module-init-tools is needed by kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > >>>If you download module-init-tools-0.9.13 rpm it and install, it also > >>>throws conflict with existing rmmod etc > >>> > >>>Please fix. > >> > >>Install the kernel with nodeps, just make sure you have the latest > >>modutils from rawhide. modutils needs rebuilt with a Provides: > >>added, it just hasn't been done yet. > > > > > > With _latest_ modutils from rawhide I have this problem too!! > > > > FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such > > file or directory > > No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 > > mkinitrd failed > > Same here, after upgrading to latest modutils and mkinitrd from rawhide. > > Pavel. From pavelr at coresma.com Thu Sep 25 09:58:24 2003 From: pavelr at coresma.com (Pavel Rosenboim) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:58:24 +0300 Subject: Arjanv and his busted kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 kernel i686 In-Reply-To: <090001c3834a$7c5aa640$2eedfea9@kittycat> References: <3F723F05.2020408@xmission.com> <20030924234616.A13776@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064475726.1805.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F72A0A3.5060301@coresma.com> <090001c3834a$7c5aa640$2eedfea9@kittycat> Message-ID: <3F72BC40.1030408@coresma.com> jdow wrote: > You CAN create the dep file easily enough, ya know. "man depmod". Now, > if after THAT is run, "nevermind". > {^_^} Maybe Arjan is trying to teach Linux experimenters some of what > they should know by forcing them to learn. {^_-} (It makes a > good story, doesn't it?) I know that. I installed enough kernels manually to know how to do this. I even compiled some :). The main reason to use Arjans RPMs for me is that it saves time. Well, I guess I got spoiled by Arjans service to build kernels for me :) Pavel. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pavel Rosenboim" > >>Mariusz Smyku?a wrote: >> >> >>>W li?cie z czw, 25-09-2003, godz. 05:46, Bill Nottingham pisze: >>> >>> >>>>raxet (maxer1 at xmission.com) said: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Just grabbed the latest 2.6.0 from arjanv and it has the following >>>>>BUSTED dep: >>>>> >>>>>error: Failed dependencies: >>>>> module-init-tools is needed by kernel-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 >>>>>If you download module-init-tools-0.9.13 rpm it and install, it also >>>>>throws conflict with existing rmmod etc >>>>> >>>>>Please fix. >>>> >>>>Install the kernel with nodeps, just make sure you have the latest >>>>modutils from rawhide. modutils needs rebuilt with a Provides: >>>>added, it just hasn't been done yet. >>> >>> >>>With _latest_ modutils from rawhide I have this problem too!! >>> >>>FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.0-0.test5.1.43': No such >>>file or directory >>>No dep file found for kernel 2.6.0-0.test5.1.43 >>>mkinitrd failed >> >>Same here, after upgrading to latest modutils and mkinitrd from rawhide. >> >>Pavel. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Thu Sep 25 11:06:09 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:06:09 -0700 Subject: mozilla-nss.pc in mozilla-nspr-devel package? Message-ID: <1064487969.4483.20.camel@suburbia> While attempting to build the latest version of gaim (0.69) in an attempt to get jabber over SSL, I discovered that /usr/lib/pkgconfig/mozilla-nss.pc is not included where I would expect it - the mozilla-nss-devel package, but rather in the mozilla-nspr-devel package. Is there a rationale for this? If not, I'll file the appropriate bug report. Cheers, josh -- Joshua Legbandt From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Sep 25 11:13:21 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:13:21 +0200 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <1064466508.16772.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064438280.25413.12.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <1064466508.16772.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030925131321.2cc2b35b.matthias@rpmforge.net> Chris Kloiber wrote : > Oh, for those interested in DVD images, I wrote a script that massages > the CD isos (or an FTP-like tree) and makes a DVD iso out of them. See: > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/mkdvdiso.sh > > The script will even call implantisomd5 and make your new shiny DVD iso > usable with 'linux mediacheck', although that's only really useful if > your source files are known good to start with... > > The script is still pretty raw, and may not always work yet. If you have > suggestions, email me some suggestions. I'll definitely have a look at it, since I've bought a DVD+/-R(W) burner recently, with making single media bootable installs in mind :-) Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030922 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.23 0.17 0.17 From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 11:52:04 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <20030925131321.2cc2b35b.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Oh, for those interested in DVD images, I wrote a script that massages > > the CD isos (or an FTP-like tree) and makes a DVD iso out of them. See: > > > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/mkdvdiso.sh Eek. I suppose we should look into producing & distributing a real DVD iso with the test releases (test2 doesn't have one). Space considerations are the main problem. In the meantime, that is a neat hack :) -- Elliot Individualists unite! From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 12:01:03 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Matthias Saou wrote: > > > > Oh, for those interested in DVD images, I wrote a script that massages > > > the CD isos (or an FTP-like tree) and makes a DVD iso out of them. See: > > > > > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/mkdvdiso.sh > > Eek. > > I suppose we should look into producing & distributing a real DVD iso with > the test releases (test2 doesn't have one). Space considerations are the > main problem. > > In the meantime, that is a neat hack :) i've just skimmed the script, so i might have missed something, but what about this script makes it a "hack"? actually, it seems pretty straightforward: - figure out where the CD contents are - create a new DVD contents directory - copy over .discinfo (common oversight) - mkisofs ... - optionally implant MD5 checksum what's so "hacky" about this? just curious. rday p.s. and, taking this one step further, is there a canonical site for the more complicated process of customizing the most recent RH release? you know, modifying comps.xml, "genhdlist" and so on. is there a primary source for that doc these days? (i suspect asking on the anaconda list would have been at least as appropriate.) From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 12:24:10 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: samba 3.0? Message-ID: is it too late to consider shoehorning the recently-advertised samba 3.0 into the next beta? rday From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Sep 25 12:46:41 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:46:41 +0200 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030925144641.73983e14.matthias@rpmforge.net> Robert P. J. Day wrote : > p.s. and, taking this one step further, is there a canonical site for > the more complicated process of customizing the most recent RH release? > you know, modifying comps.xml, "genhdlist" and so on. is there a primary > source for that doc these days? (i suspect asking on the anaconda list > would have been at least as appropriate.) Why not start a new thread on the fedora-docs-list@? IIRC, Tammy Fox asked for ideas about possible new documents when the RHLP was launched, and docs about creating a DVD installation media and/or customise the content of the installation would seem pretty useful to me. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030922 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.33 0.28 0.21 From monty19 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 25 12:55:38 2003 From: monty19 at hotmail.com (Jason Montleon) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:55:38 -0400 Subject: Forumns instead of email? Message-ID: Might I also suggest: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/ You can sort by date thread and author. It's a web interface, you can see what topics are current, and you don't have to receive gobs of e-mail; not even digest if you don't want, just disable mail delivery. It also updates really quick. It's not really forums, but I find it does the trick for me, although I think it might break threads due to the fact that I'm replying with a new e-mail.... not sure about that........................... From chrisw01 at privatei.com Thu Sep 25 13:04:07 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:04:07 -0600 Subject: samba 3.0? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064495047.5179.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 06:24, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > is it too late to consider shoehorning the recently-advertised > samba 3.0 into the next beta? Samba 3.0.0-5rc1 is already in there if you updated everything from the redhat-beta-updates channel on RHN. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From maport1 at UKY.EDU Thu Sep 25 13:00:34 2003 From: maport1 at UKY.EDU (Michael Anthony Porter) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:00:34 -0400 Subject: Apt, Rawhide, and Gaim Message-ID: <1064494834.b2b3f8a0maport1@uky.edu> Upgrading Gaim via apt-get using Rawhide failed on a pspell dependency. Pspell has now been transitioned to Aspell, correct? Was there something I was missing, or is this just a broken dependency? Thanks, Michael A. Porter ===================================== University of Kentucky From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 13:21:30 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <20030925131321.2cc2b35b.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Matthias Saou wrote: > Chris Kloiber wrote : ... > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/mkdvdiso.sh > I'll definitely have a look at it, since I've bought a DVD+/-R(W) burner > recently, with making single media bootable installs in mind :-) > > Matthias ok, perhaps i spoke too soon. regarding chris' homebrew DVD script, once after all of the ISO contents are copied to the DVD build directory, i see if [ -e $DVD/.discinfo ]; then awk '{ if ( NR == 4 ) { print disks } else { print ; } }' disks="$DISKS" $DVD/.discinfo > $DVD/.discinfo.new mv $DVD/.discinfo.new $DVD/.discinfo fi perhaps it's a bit early, but what's the rationale for the above? certainly, the most overlooked item in creating a custom distro is forgetting the .discinfo file. but after all the copying is done, and there's clearly an existing .discinfo file there, what does the above do? (with my luck, i'll figure it out seconds after i press ENTER. :-P) rday From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Sep 25 13:25:25 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:25:25 +0200 Subject: Apt, Rawhide, and Gaim In-Reply-To: <1064494834.b2b3f8a0maport1@uky.edu> References: <1064494834.b2b3f8a0maport1@uky.edu> Message-ID: <20030925152525.524d9f0d.matthias@rpmforge.net> Michael Anthony Porter wrote : > Upgrading Gaim via apt-get using Rawhide failed on a pspell dependency. > Pspell has now been transitioned to Aspell, correct? Was there something > I was missing, or is this just a broken dependency? Maybe you're using a gaim package for RHL9 which is considered newer than the one trying to be installed from Rawhide? If such is the case, remove your current gaim package and then install the one from Rawhide, or (if you're using my freshrpms.net gaim package for 9), grab the latest version I've rebuilt against Rawhide (to solve that aspell/pspell problem, just like in sylpheed-claws) that's available here : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/rawhide/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030922 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.42 0.28 0.19 From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Sep 25 13:27:08 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:27:08 +0200 Subject: Forumns instead of email? Message-ID: <01L134CU8N36003Z13@rcum.uni-mb.si> Jason Montleon wrote : >Might I also suggest: >https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/ > >You can sort by date thread and author. It's a web interface, you can see >what topics are current, and you don't have to receive gobs of e-mail; not >even digest if you don't want, just disable mail delivery. It also updates >really quick. It's not really forums, but I find it does the trick for me, >although I think it might break threads due to the fact that I'm replying >with a new e-mail.... not sure about that........................... It is a trivial excersize to add a "reply(correctly)" button on the web page. Many/some web mail archives have it, like http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/ ( click on the senders email address ) -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From maport1 at uky.edu Thu Sep 25 13:34:29 2003 From: maport1 at uky.edu (Michael Anthony Porter) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:34:29 -0400 Subject: Apt, Rawhide, and Gaim Message-ID: <1064496869.b2b3f8a0maport1@uky.edu> | Maybe you're using a gaim package for RHL9 which is considered newer than | the one trying to be installed from Rawhide? If such is the case, remove | your current gaim package and then install the one from Rawhide, or (if | you're using my freshrpms.net gaim package for 9), grab the latest version | I've rebuilt against Rawhide (to solve that aspell/pspell problem, just | like in sylpheed-claws) that's available here : | | http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/rawhide/ | | Matthias Thanks, using the rpm built against Rawhide solved it. Michael A. Porter ============================= University of Kentucky From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 13:45:33 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <20030925144641.73983e14.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Matthias Saou wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote : > > > p.s. and, taking this one step further, is there a canonical site for > > the more complicated process of customizing the most recent RH release? > > you know, modifying comps.xml, "genhdlist" and so on. is there a primary > > source for that doc these days? (i suspect asking on the anaconda list > > would have been at least as appropriate.) > > Why not start a new thread on the fedora-docs-list@? IIRC, Tammy Fox asked > for ideas about possible new documents when the RHLP was launched, and docs > about creating a DVD installation media and/or customise the content of the > installation would seem pretty useful to me. ok, i can do that. it would be nice to have a central site for docs involving installation and anaconda, like how to add updates to the install, building a DVD, creating a custom distro, etc. rday From Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu Thu Sep 25 13:59:30 2003 From: Epps.Aaron at mayo.edu (Epps, Aaron M.) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:59:30 -0500 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication Message-ID: How will it be communicated when Test 2 Release is available for download, on this mailing list, fedora.redhat.com, all of the above? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 14:20:26 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:20:26 -0400 Subject: Forumns instead of email? In-Reply-To: <01L134CU8N36003Z13@rcum.uni-mb.si>; from david.balazic@uni-mb.si on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:27:08PM +0200 References: <01L134CU8N36003Z13@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <20030925102026.A18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:27:08PM +0200, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > It is a trivial excersize to add a "reply(correctly)" button on the web > page. Many/some web mail archives have it, like > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/ > ( click on the senders email address ) Following the general "get it upstream" mantra of the project, getting this feature added as an option in GNU Mailman sounds like the way to go. :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From ted at cypress.com Thu Sep 25 14:34:52 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:34:52 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064441489.18261.178.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F71BD19.9040806@cypress.com> <1064441489.18261.178.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F72FD0C.7020906@cypress.com> Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 11:49, Thomas Dodd wrote: >>>>Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but they >>>>are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. Xine's UI >>>>is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration into the system >> >>That is OPINION. I like Xine's UI. I also like the ogle gui. I relly >>like that I'm not forced to use it. A replacement could be developed >>that I might like better. I have no problem deling with multiple >>toolkits. I work with GNOME, GTK+, Motif, and Xt based apps all the >>time. I have NO problems using any of them. > > It's great to have variety, but there are some technical issues with > apps that don't use the standard toolkits that lead us to prefer > toolkit-using apps as the defaults. "prefered" apps is fine by me. I'm not forced to use the "prefered" one. I can pick the one I want to use, just like I can choose a kernel.org or -ac kernel, or run mozilla 1.2 when Red Hat supported 1.0.x. The point being, toolkit choice does not make an app ugly or bad. The fact that it looks/acts different also doesn't make it bad. Personaly I like variety, and have no problems dealing with it. I dislike the "everything looks the same" world of M$ and Mac. Se previous message and discussion of car interiors. -Thomas From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Sep 25 14:38:50 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 25 Sep 2003 10:38:50 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F72FD0C.7020906@cypress.com> References: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F71BD19.9040806@cypress.com> <1064441489.18261.178.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> <3F72FD0C.7020906@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1064500730.24505.52.camel@opus> > The point being, toolkit choice does not make an app ugly or bad. The > fact that it looks/acts different also doesn't make it bad. Personaly I > like variety, and have no problems dealing with it. I dislike the > "everything looks the same" world of M$ and Mac. Se previous message and > discussion of car interiors. One problem: If you're disabled in some way then it can become very difficult to use interfaces that have an array of different knobs and dials. Please remember that there are a lot of people using linux who cannot see, cannot use their fingers, etc. Just b/c you can does not mean you have to be a chauvinist for the en-abled. -sv From blizzard at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 14:39:48 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:39:48 -0400 Subject: mozilla-nss.pc in mozilla-nspr-devel package? In-Reply-To: <1064487969.4483.20.camel@suburbia> References: <1064487969.4483.20.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <3F72FE34.8070607@redhat.com> Joshua Legbandt wrote: >While attempting to build the latest version of gaim (0.69) in an >attempt to get jabber over SSL, I discovered that >/usr/lib/pkgconfig/mozilla-nss.pc is not included where I would expect >it - the mozilla-nss-devel package, but rather in the mozilla-nspr-devel >package. Is there a rationale for this? If not, I'll file the >appropriate bug report. > >Cheers, >josh > > > I'm pretty sure there's already a bug filed about that. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ ------------ From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 14:41:24 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:41:24 -0400 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: ; from Epps.Aaron@mayo.edu on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:59:30AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:59:30AM -0500, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > How will it be communicated when Test 2 Release is available for > download, on this mailing list, fedora.redhat.com, all of the above? In the new spirit of openness, I'll announce that right now we are letting mirrors sync, and the floodgates will open at 2PM EDT, which is 1800UTC, today. A few hours later than we had hoped when we created the schedule, but at least on the same day. It will be posted to this mailing list. http://fedora.redhat.com/ should have some new content about that time as well. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From matthias at rpmforge.net Thu Sep 25 14:52:38 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:52:38 +0200 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030925165238.032ba656.matthias@rpmforge.net> Michael K. Johnson wrote : > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:59:30AM -0500, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > How will it be communicated when Test 2 Release is available for > > download, on this mailing list, fedora.redhat.com, all of the above? > > In the new spirit of openness, I'll announce that right now we are > letting mirrors sync, and the floodgates will open at 2PM EDT, > which is 1800UTC, today. A few hours later than we had hoped > when we created the schedule, but at least on the same day. > It will be posted to this mailing list. http://fedora.redhat.com/ > should have some new content about that time as well. Could this possibly be the first public pre-announce ever? :-D Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030922 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.06 0.29 0.26 From marguz at ameritech.net Thu Sep 25 14:54:07 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:54:07 -0500 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064501646.5232.6.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> > In the new spirit of openness, I'll announce that right now we are > letting mirrors sync, and the floodgates will open at 2PM EDT, > which is 1800UTC, today. I'm salivating already ;-) -- Mark Guzzo Linux Registered User #318090 http://counter.li.org/ From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 15:07:12 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:59:30AM -0500, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > How will it be communicated when Test 2 Release is available for > > download, on this mailing list, fedora.redhat.com, all of the above? > > In the new spirit of openness, I'll announce that right now we are > letting mirrors sync, and the floodgates will open at 2PM EDT, > which is 1800UTC, today. A few hours later than we had hoped > when we created the schedule, but at least on the same day. > It will be posted to this mailing list. http://fedora.redhat.com/ > should have some new content about that time as well. more than anything, the two pieces of info that i think everyone needs are 1) mailing lists, and their specific mandates, and 2) how to report bugs here's hoping those are part of the subsequent announcement to this list. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 15:14:50 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: still unclear about updates versus rawhide Message-ID: i still haven't seen a definitive explanation about the distinction between "rawhide" and beta "updates." are these technically one and the same? from fedora.redhat.com, "As developers build packages to fix bugs or implement new features, the packages are placed in Red Hat Rawhide..." historically, i always thought that "updates" were highly-recommended patches, to fix bugs or apply security updates. in short, those were the sorts of things that were pretty clearly *guaranteed* to be in the next release. rawhide, OTOH, was for new and improved packages that were still noticeably leading edge, perhaps uncomfortably so in some cases, and while they almost always supplied more functionality than the current packages, there was no guarantee that they would end up in the next release. so, officially, how does one stay up to date with the soon-to-be- released beta? just keep applying rawhide on a regular basis? or what? rday From benhsu at dslextreme.com Thu Sep 25 15:18:35 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:18:35 -0700 Subject: servern 9.0.93 kernel In-Reply-To: <20030925075008.90461.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.co.jp> References: <20030925075008.90461.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.co.jp> Message-ID: <1064503114.15942.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 00:50, Bit Takeshi wrote: > > Yes, I did a "make menuconfig" but when the window poped > up, I closed it immediately. No changes made. So I think I > have used default /usr/src/linux-2.4/.config, not a file > under configs/ directory? > Try this cp configs/ make menuconfig then make From benhsu at dslextreme.com Thu Sep 25 15:19:43 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:19:43 -0700 Subject: servern 9.0.93 kernel In-Reply-To: <20030925075008.90461.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.co.jp> References: <20030925075008.90461.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.co.jp> Message-ID: <1064503183.15942.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 00:50, Bit Takeshi wrote: > > Yes, I did a "make menuconfig" but when the window poped > up, I closed it immediately. No changes made. So I think I > have used default /usr/src/linux-2.4/.config, not a file > under configs/ directory? > I forgot, just to be safe... "make mrproper" "make menuconfig" From katzj at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 15:40:49 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:40:49 -0400 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064504449.1654.4.camel@edoras.local.net> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 08:01, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > p.s. and, taking this one step further, is there a canonical site for > the more complicated process of customizing the most recent RH release? > you know, modifying comps.xml, "genhdlist" and so on. is there a primary > source for that doc these days? (i suspect asking on the anaconda list > would have been at least as appropriate.) Nothing canonical -- I can review things, but that's about it until we get 30 or 36 hour days ;) Cheers, Jeremy From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 15:51:30 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <1064504449.1654.4.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 08:01, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > p.s. and, taking this one step further, is there a canonical site for > > the more complicated process of customizing the most recent RH release? > > you know, modifying comps.xml, "genhdlist" and so on. is there a primary > > source for that doc these days? (i suspect asking on the anaconda list > > would have been at least as appropriate.) > > Nothing canonical -- I can review things, but that's about it until we > get 30 or 36 hour days ;) well, you're lucky. we up here in canada are just getting used to having finally switched from the 20-hour french metric clock to the more standard 24-hour one, mostly to stop confusing americans. http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/06/20/p1s4.htm rday From johnsonm at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 16:01:20 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:01:20 -0400 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: ; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:07:12AM -0400 References: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030925120120.A1548@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:07:12AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > 1) mailing lists, and their specific mandates, and No change beyond what we did last week. What specific questions do you have here? > 2) how to report bugs Bugzilla will have "Fedora Core" as product, "test2" as version. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From guinan at bluebutton.com Thu Sep 25 16:08:30 2003 From: guinan at bluebutton.com (Jamie Guinan) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <20030925104124.B18461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:59:30AM -0500, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > How will it be communicated when Test 2 Release is available for > > download, on this mailing list, fedora.redhat.com, all of the above? > > In the new spirit of openness, I'll announce that right now we are > letting mirrors sync, and the floodgates will open at 2PM EDT, > which is 1800UTC, today. A few hours later than we had hoped > when we created the schedule, but at least on the same day. > It will be posted to this mailing list. http://fedora.redhat.com/ > should have some new content about that time as well. Any plans for BitTorrent links? Having a reliable seed right on the fedora site would be great (IMO). -Jamie > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Thu Sep 25 16:08:54 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:08:54 +0200 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication Message-ID: <01L13A1NK902003VYU@rcum.uni-mb.si> "Michael K. Johnson" wrote : > >On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:07:12AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> 1) mailing lists, and their specific mandates, and > >No change beyond what we did last week. What specific >questions do you have here? > >> 2) how to report bugs > >Bugzilla will have "Fedora Core" as product, "test2" as version. Continuing the trend of ambigous versions ? What do you have against "9.0.94" or "9.0.94beta" ? Regards -- David Balazic From ivo at vendomar.ee Thu Sep 25 16:13:14 2003 From: ivo at vendomar.ee (Ivo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E4rak?=) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:13:14 +0300 Subject: Mounting samba shares does not work anymore. In-Reply-To: <3F723A6A.9070903@ec-partners.com> References: <3F716F5B.4020309@ec-partners.com> <3F723A6A.9070903@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <1064506394.5898.4.camel@sarmax> Hello, System running Severn with up2date to Severn Beta Update (aka Fedora) has this issue. All Windows clients and RedHat clients running RedHat 9/Severn are browsing/accessing/"mounting" these shares just fine. Regards, Ivo S?rak. On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 03:44, Nicholas Yau wrote: > are you saying that client in linux does face this problem > or windows client does face the problem? > > Ivo S?rak wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I find it a little puzzling - error is about client not the server. > > > > Even more strange is that "smb://" in Konqueror is working without any > > /etc/samba/smb.conf modifications. > > > > > > Regards, > > Ivo Sa"rak. > > > > > > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:18, Nicholas Yau wrote: > > > >>passwd is plain text, > >> > >>new samba version by default set the smb.conf file to auth using > >>smbpassword, if you want to use plain text, change the option > >>into passwd in smb.conf section. > >> > >>man smb.conf maybe useful for you. > >> > >>Ivo Sarak wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> With 9.0.93 Severn Beta the following command is working: > >>>"mount -t smbfs -o username=guest,password=foobar //machine/share /mountpoint" > >>>After upgrade to 9.0.93 Severn Beta Upgrade (aka Fedora), this command is > >>>failing with: > >>>"Server requested plaintext password but 'client use plaintext auth' is > >>>disabled > >>>xxxx: tree connect failed: SUCCESS - 0" > >>> > >>>How do I enable 'client use plaintext auth'? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>>Ivo Sa"rak. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>fedora-test-list mailing list > >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From benhsu at dslextreme.com Thu Sep 25 16:16:41 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:16:41 -0700 Subject: Severn 9.0.93 test kernel Message-ID: <1064506601.15942.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Bit Takeshi wrote: > #make bzImage -> OK > #make modules -> error in i2o( sorry, I did not note the > error msgs) I must apologise for giving the wrong information. I reproduced this. The solution is to edit drivers/i2c/i2c-ali1535.c Go to line 675 (the line containing the name "Frodo Looijaard" and add a '\' to the end of the line (after the comma) This looks to be an issue that gcc does not allow a string to be split over two or more lines. I vaguely remember a post to this effect that newer gcc's do not allow this, but I tried compiling that file with CC=gcc296, CC=gcc32, and CC==gcc33, and none of them worked. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Sep 25 16:28:52 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 25 Sep 2003 12:28:52 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:08, Jamie Guinan wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:59:30AM -0500, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > > How will it be communicated when Test 2 Release is available for > > > download, on this mailing list, fedora.redhat.com, all of the above? > > > > In the new spirit of openness, I'll announce that right now we are > > letting mirrors sync, and the floodgates will open at 2PM EDT, > > which is 1800UTC, today. A few hours later than we had hoped > > when we created the schedule, but at least on the same day. > > It will be posted to this mailing list. http://fedora.redhat.com/ > > should have some new content about that time as well. > > Any plans for BitTorrent links? Having a reliable seed right on the > fedora site would be great (IMO). > torrent.dulug.duke.edu will have them and they will be available when things are released. -sv From ckloiber at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 16:35:35 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:35:35 -0400 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064507734.15986.10.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 09:21, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Matthias Saou wrote: > > > Chris Kloiber wrote : > ... > > > ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/mkdvdiso.sh > > > I'll definitely have a look at it, since I've bought a DVD+/-R(W) burner > > recently, with making single media bootable installs in mind :-) > > > > Matthias > > ok, perhaps i spoke too soon. regarding chris' homebrew DVD script, > once after all of the ISO contents are copied to the DVD build directory, > i see > > if [ -e $DVD/.discinfo ]; then > awk '{ if ( NR == 4 ) { print disks } else { print ; } }' > disks="$DISKS" $DVD/.discinfo > $DVD/.discinfo.new > mv $DVD/.discinfo.new $DVD/.discinfo > fi > > perhaps it's a bit early, but what's the rationale for the above? > certainly, the most overlooked item in creating a custom distro is > forgetting the .discinfo file. but after all the copying is done, > and there's clearly an existing .discinfo file there, what does the > above do? > > (with my luck, i'll figure it out seconds after i press ENTER. :-P) If you look at the 4th linue in .diskinfo: 1064433227.893006 Fedora Core 0.94 i386 1,2,3 RedHat/base RedHat/RPMS RedHat/pixmaps I'm pretty sure represents which CD images are present on the current media. My script counts the number of CD's it's processed, and adjusts the 4th line to reflect the number of CD's present. The SRPMS disks apparently don't need to be listed there, but don't hurt either. I have not dug deep enough to tell you what that mysterious first line means, but if I copy it it just works. With an FTP-style directory, I just have to hope the .discinfo exists and is correct, which is why I say my script is a hack. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 16:41:05 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <1064507734.15986.10.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Chris Kloiber wrote: > I wrote: > > (with my luck, i'll figure it out seconds after i press ENTER. :-P) > > If you look at the 4th linue in .diskinfo: > > 1064433227.893006 > Fedora Core 0.94 > i386 > 1,2,3 > RedHat/base > RedHat/RPMS > RedHat/pixmaps i did, in fact, figure it out minutes after posting. argh. sorry. rday From michal at harddata.com Thu Sep 25 16:48:54 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:48:54 -0600 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <1064507734.15986.10.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com>; from ckloiber@redhat.com on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:35:35PM -0400 References: <1064507734.15986.10.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030925104854.B2387@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:35:35PM -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: > > If you look at the 4th linue in .diskinfo: > > 1064433227.893006 > Fedora Core 0.94 > i386 > 1,2,3 > RedHat/base > RedHat/RPMS > RedHat/pixmaps .... > I have > not dug deep enough to tell you what that mysterious first line means, > but if I copy it it just works. Looks to me like a very high precision timestamp. Now is $ date +%s 1064508346 but 'date' does not a precision high enogh for that decimal part. Michal From pekkas at netcore.fi Thu Sep 25 16:53:06 2003 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:53:06 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: <01L13A1NK902003VYU@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > "Michael K. Johnson" wrote : > > > >On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:07:12AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >> 1) mailing lists, and their specific mandates, and > > > >No change beyond what we did last week. What specific > >questions do you have here? > > > >> 2) how to report bugs > > > >Bugzilla will have "Fedora Core" as product, "test2" as version. > > Continuing the trend of ambigous versions ? > > What do you have against "9.0.94" or "9.0.94beta" ? Speaking of which, Bugzilla appears to be useless for doing a query on "all the products" or "all the red hat linux (or derived) products". You have to select like 50+ different versions and releases, and then your Mozilla ends up hanging about 1/4 of the time (at least my RHL9 Moz. does). Simplicity for querying the bugs, please..! -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From nbecker at hns.com Thu Sep 25 17:08:33 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:08:33 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> References: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> Message-ID: <200309251308.33098.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:28 pm, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:08, Jamie Guinan wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:59:30AM -0500, Epps, Aaron M. wrote: > > > > How will it be communicated when Test 2 Release is available for > > > > download, on this mailing list, fedora.redhat.com, all of the above? > > > > > > In the new spirit of openness, I'll announce that right now we are > > > letting mirrors sync, and the floodgates will open at 2PM EDT, > > > which is 1800UTC, today. A few hours later than we had hoped > > > when we created the schedule, but at least on the same day. > > > It will be posted to this mailing list. http://fedora.redhat.com/ > > > should have some new content about that time as well. > > > > Any plans for BitTorrent links? Having a reliable seed right on the > > fedora site would be great (IMO). > > torrent.dulug.duke.edu will have them and they will be available when > things are released. > I want to try to d/l using bittorrent. I am d/l-ing to a RH9 box. I went to fedora and tried to install bittorrent and bittorrent-gui. I could install bittorrent using yum OK, but bittorrent-gui seems to be broken: Resolving dependencies .package bittorrent-gui needs wxPythonGTK (not provided) From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Thu Sep 25 17:09:18 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:09:18 +0200 Subject: Querying bugzilla [was: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: References: <01L13A1NK902003VYU@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <3F733D5E.13359.120AEA@localhost> Hi Pekka, > Speaking of which, Bugzilla appears to be useless for doing a query on "all > the products" or "all the red hat linux (or derived) products". You have to > select like 50+ different versions and releases, and then your Mozilla ends > up hanging about 1/4 of the time (at least my RHL9 Moz. does). > > Simplicity for querying the bugs, please..! You can circumvent this by hand editing the query. Something like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?component=util-linux should work just fine. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Sep 25 17:11:42 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:11:42 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <200309251308.33098.nbecker@hns.com> References: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> <200309251308.33098.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1064509902.24505.91.camel@opus> > I want to try to d/l using bittorrent. I am d/l-ing to a RH9 box. > > I went to fedora and tried to install bittorrent and bittorrent-gui. I could > install bittorrent using yum OK, but bittorrent-gui seems to be broken: > > Resolving dependencies > .package bittorrent-gui needs wxPythonGTK (not provided) > > Right - the wxPythonGTK packages aren't available atm. Just install the text version and use btdownloadcurses.py -sv From nbecker at hns.com Thu Sep 25 17:18:00 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <1064509902.24505.91.camel@opus> References: <200309251308.33098.nbecker@hns.com> <1064509902.24505.91.camel@opus> Message-ID: <200309251318.00951.nbecker@hns.com> On Thursday 25 September 2003 01:11 pm, seth vidal wrote: > > I want to try to d/l using bittorrent. I am d/l-ing to a RH9 box. > > > > I went to fedora and tried to install bittorrent and bittorrent-gui. I > > could install bittorrent using yum OK, but bittorrent-gui seems to be > > broken: > > > > Resolving dependencies > > .package bittorrent-gui needs wxPythonGTK (not provided) > > Right - the wxPythonGTK packages aren't available atm. > > Just install the text version and use btdownloadcurses.py > > -sv > OK, thanks. I don't know how to use bittorrent yet. How do I get konquerer to use it? Or, if it is not easy then, how do I get mozilla to use it? Sorry, I couldn't find this documented and I did already try some searching. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Sep 25 17:21:30 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:21:30 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <200309251318.00951.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309251308.33098.nbecker@hns.com> <1064509902.24505.91.camel@opus> <200309251318.00951.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1064510489.24505.104.camel@opus> > > > OK, thanks. I don't know how to use bittorrent yet. How do I get konquerer > to use it? Or, if it is not easy then, how do I get mozilla to use it? > Sorry, I couldn't find this documented and I did already try some searching. go to torrent.dulug.duke.edu read the webpage it has instructions on how to use it. pretty simple - no webbrowser required to use bittorent. -sv From yinyang at eburg.com Thu Sep 25 17:26:24 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:26:24 -0700 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F732540.2020606@eburg.com> Pekka Savola wrote: > > Speaking of which, Bugzilla appears to be useless for doing a query on > "all the products" or "all the red hat linux (or derived) products". Don't select any product at all. Just Ctrl+click on the one that's selected by default to un-select it, and proceed with your query. The query will no longer be restricted to only that product/release. From dwa2 at eng.buffalo.edu Thu Sep 25 15:54:13 2003 From: dwa2 at eng.buffalo.edu (David W. Aquilina) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:54:13 -0400 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <20030925150400.25986.55525.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030925150400.25986.55525.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7750000.1064505253@bombadil.cit.buffalo.edu> Greetings all, The thing I forgot was the .discinfo file - many thanks for the quick reply. > p.s. and, taking this one step further, is there a canonical site for > the more complicated process of customizing the most recent RH release? > you know, modifying comps.xml, "genhdlist" and so on. is there a primary > source for that doc these days? (i suspect asking on the anaconda list > would have been at least as appropriate.) I certainly wouldn't call it "canonical" or a "primary site", but we[1] documented the creation of our custom Linux distribution. At the very least, it should allow someone with half a brain to customize Red Hat in the same way we have: http://wings.buffalo.edu/computing/ublinux/ We probably didn't use the best possible methods to accomplish everything we did, but in the end it seems to have worked fairly well. [1] : 'we' refers to the University at Buffalo, however note that I'm NOT speaking as an official representative of the University on this mailing list. All standard disclaimers apply. -- David Aquilina dwa2 at buffalo dot edu From ted at cypress.com Thu Sep 25 18:55:12 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:55:12 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064500730.24505.52.camel@opus> References: <20030923031914.GA23373@orient.maison> <000001c381b3$04082e80$196d9e89@pegasus> <20030923112326.2ec09b79.matthias@rpmforge.net> <3F71BD19.9040806@cypress.com> <1064441489.18261.178.camel@icon.devel.redhat.com> <3F72FD0C.7020906@cypress.com> <1064500730.24505.52.camel@opus> Message-ID: <3F733A10.5010502@cypress.com> seth vidal wrote: >>The point being, toolkit choice does not make an app ugly or bad. The >>fact that it looks/acts different also doesn't make it bad. Personaly I >>like variety, and have no problems dealing with it. I dislike the >>"everything looks the same" world of M$ and Mac. Se previous message and >>discussion of car interiors. > > > One problem: This is not the point of the previous message. I was refering to the complaint that Xine and other apps had strange interfaces, and that that is not so bad. Diversity is good. Again being different is inherently neither bad nor good. But it can be godd in some situations. I like OO.org, but wish it didn't resemble M$'s products so much. Same with Evolution. I dislike that the default keyboard short cuts in GNOME follow M$. Some for Mozilla. I have had to re-learn them because they are different than what I know. Is vi bad because it uses a different interface? How about emacs? Should the only text editor UI match Notepad/Wordpad? The editor form MS-DOS? Or is it ok that emacs uses Ctrl-A to move to the beginning of the like instead of ? how should I delete a character? 'x' in command mode (vi), Ctrl-D (emacs), or ? Is it OK that mozilla supports two? Now to your concerns. > If you're disabled in some way then it can become very difficult to use > interfaces that have an array of different knobs and dials. So you use a different interface? A different app? Can I use mozilla/thunderbird or must I use Evolution? I don't like Evolution's UI. I like Pine. Mozilla is OK. You might like a different one. > Please remember that there are a lot of people using linux who cannot > see, cannot use their fingers, etc. So ask/help the developers of the alternatives to allow for those situations. But I like lots of different knobs and dials(you should see my home theater). Don't take them away because someone might have trouble with them. > Just b/c you can does not mean you have to be a chauvinist for the > en-abled. So my choices for variety should be limited/removed because someone might have trouble with it? I'm all for equal rights, equal protection, and accessability. But must everything be so? But don't protect someone else's right by restricting mine. Back to cars. My car has the dimmer switch on the floor. That means you my have 2 legs to drive it at night. Today you cannot by a new vehicle like that. Should I be forced top move/add a column dimmer so a one legged person can drive it at night? Should all manual transission be banned since one legged people cannot operate the clutch? Lets go back to the previous topic. Add, allow for all the handicapped user you want. That's fine. -Thomas From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Sep 25 18:49:20 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:49:20 -0400 Subject: how do enable these TCP ports for Bittorrent? Message-ID: <200309251449.20602.elwoo@videotron.ca> Allow incoming TCP 6881 - 6889 to join the torrent swarm. http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ I thought this might be a good time to try using / learn to use Bittorrent. The red hat 9 rpm pacakage is already installed, but I don't know if /how to enable the above ports. If I go to security settings, I *know* that just saying TCP is a trusted device will open all ports. .... I guess this is something else I ought have learned to do <*blush*> so feel free to rap me on the knuckles if I'm asking a stupid / annoying question! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From notting at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 18:39:18 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:39:18 -0400 Subject: Updated Fedora Core test release: Severn Message-ID: <20030925143918.A2519@devserv.devel.redhat.com> And now, the Fedora Project presents.... We're tired, we're droopy We're all a little loopy A Fedora Core Test Release Is invading your PC! New features - interesting! The code could use some testing That's why we are requesting new bug reports quickly! On our ftp site is the place where you will see The stuff that we've been working on since 1993! We're tired, we're droopy We're all a little loopy It's a Fedora Core Test Release Come and join the fun! (And now our song is done.) Yes, it's an update of SEVERN, the Fedora Core test release. As always, test releases are not intended for use on production environments. Use of test releases in production environments could lead to disastrous results, such as spontaneous musical theatre from your engineers. Be afraid. Problems with SEVERN should be reported via bugzilla, at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ Please report bugs against 'Fedora Core', release 'test2'. Technical note: There are some issues with the SMP kernel; on SMP machines after installation, you may need to boot the uniprocessor kernel for stability. We'll have a fixed kernel in the next day or three; please update as soon as one is available. For more information on just what the Fedora Project and Fedora Core is, please see: http://fedora.redhat.com/ For discussion of SEVERN, send mail to: fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com with subscribe in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. Or see: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list/ As always, you can get SEVERN at redhat.com, specifically: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/severn/ Or the following mirrors: North America: United States: - ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/RedHat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://redhat.secsup.org/beta/severn/ - ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/beta/severn/ - ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - rsync://rsync.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/beta/severn/ Canada: - ftp://less.cogeco.net/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/ftp.redhat.com/linux/beta/severn/ South America: Chile: - ftp://ftp.tecnoera.com/Linux/redhat-beta/severn/ Europe: Czech Republic: - ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ultra.linux.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp6.linux.cz/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Estonia - ftp://redhat.linux.ee/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Germany: - ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ Netherlands: - ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/redhat/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.quicknet.nl/pub/Linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/severn/ United Kingdom: - http://zeniiia.linux.org.uk/pub/distributions/redhat/beta/severn/ - ftp://zeniiia.linux.org.uk/pub/distributions/redhat/beta/severn/ - rsync://zeniiia.linux.org.uk/ftp/pub/distributions/redhat/beta/severn/ Asia/Pacific: Australia: - http://planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/severn/ - http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/redhat/linux/severn/ - ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/redhat/linux/severn/ One additional feature provided by the Linux community is the availability of SEVERN via BitTorrent. http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn2-binary-iso.torrent http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/severn2-source-iso.torrent RPMS for Red Hat Linux 7.3 through 9 of BitTorrent are available from: http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/btrpms/ Usage is simple: btdownloadcurses.py --url http://URL.torrent Allow incoming TCP 6881 - 6889 to join the torrent swarm. http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ From katzj at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 19:27:28 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:27:28 -0400 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <20030925104854.B2387@mail.harddata.com> References: <1064507734.15986.10.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> <20030925104854.B2387@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1064518047.25163.5.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:48, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Looks to me like a very high precision timestamp. Now is > $ date +%s > 1064508346 > but 'date' does not a precision high enogh for that decimal part. Yep, it's a python script that generates the .discinfo, though, so it comes from python time.time() Cheers, Jeremy From lowen at pari.edu Thu Sep 25 19:27:51 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:27:51 -0400 Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: <3F716E68.9030607@ec-partners.com> References: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> <3F716E68.9030607@ec-partners.com> Message-ID: <200309251527.51048.lowen@pari.edu> On Wednesday 24 September 2003 06:14, Nicholas Yau wrote: > What you need to do is write a script and run the script > in rc.local for startup No. You configure iptables appropriately, then run 'iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables ' and use the existing initscripts system the way it was designed. Sheesh. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Thu Sep 25 19:30:28 2003 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:30:28 -0700 Subject: how do enable these TCP ports for Bittorrent? References: <200309251449.20602.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F734254.8060004@intel.com> Elton Woo wrote: > Allow incoming TCP 6881 - 6889 to join the torrent swarm. > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ > > I thought this might be a good time to try using / learn to use > Bittorrent. The red hat 9 rpm pacakage is already installed, > but I don't know if /how to enable the above ports. > If I go to security settings, I *know* that just saying TCP > is a trusted device will open all ports. > > .... I guess this is something else I ought have learned to > do <*blush*> so feel free to rap me on the knuckles if > I'm asking a stupid / annoying question! > > Elton ;-) RAP...RAP...just kidding. This is actually a very poignant question, because it doesn't look like there is a way to do it using redhat-config-securitylevel. I usually do it with kickstart, passing the --port=6881:tcp option to the firewall line. I tried doing that to redhat-config-securitylevel, to no avail. So, you can edit /etc/sysconfig/iptables by hand and add a line like this _before_ the REJECT lines: -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 6881:6889 --syn -j ACCEPT This is definitely worth a bugzilla entry. Forrest -- From marguz at ameritech.net Thu Sep 25 19:34:41 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:34:41 -0500 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> References: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1064518480.5232.12.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> WOW, Using Bittorrent I'm getting download speed of 85 KB/s and upload speed of 235 KB/s! Kind of wish it was the other way around ;-) -- Mark Guzzo Linux Registered User #318090 http://counter.li.org/ From guinan at bluebutton.com Thu Sep 25 19:38:51 2003 From: guinan at bluebutton.com (Jamie Guinan) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <1064518480.5232.12.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Mark Guzzo wrote: > WOW, > Using Bittorrent I'm getting download speed of 85 KB/s and upload speed > of 235 KB/s! And in the end, the bits you take, are equal to the bits you make. ;) > > Kind of wish it was the other way around ;-) > From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Thu Sep 25 19:43:55 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:43:55 +0300 Subject: how do enable these TCP ports for Bittorrent? In-Reply-To: <200309251449.20602.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309251449.20602.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200309252243.55812.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Viestiss? Torstai 25. Syyskuuta 2003 21:49, Elton Woo kirjoitti: > Allow incoming TCP 6881 - 6889 to join the torrent swarm. > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ > > I thought this might be a good time to try using / learn to use > Bittorrent. The red hat 9 rpm pacakage is already installed, > but I don't know if /how to enable the above ports. I used: iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 6881:6889 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT You should change "eth1" to match your external interface. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From michal at harddata.com Thu Sep 25 20:11:54 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:11:54 -0600 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <1064518047.25163.5.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com>; from katzj@redhat.com on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:27:28PM -0400 References: <1064507734.15986.10.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> <20030925104854.B2387@mail.harddata.com> <1064518047.25163.5.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030925141154.D6737@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:27:28PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:48, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > Looks to me like a very high precision timestamp. > > Yep, it's a python script that generates the .discinfo, though, so it > comes from python time.time() $ perl -le '$d=gmtime 1064433227.89300; print $d' Wed Sep 24 19:53:47 2003 :-) UTC, of course. Michal From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 20:21:19 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <1064518047.25163.5.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:48, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > Looks to me like a very high precision timestamp. Now is > > $ date +%s > > 1064508346 > > but 'date' does not a precision high enogh for that decimal part. > > Yep, it's a python script that generates the .discinfo, though, so it > comes from python time.time() but what's the decimal part of that value? rday From notting at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 20:42:59 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:42:59 -0400 Subject: Test 2 Release Communication In-Reply-To: <01L13A1NK902003VYU@rcum.uni-mb.si>; from david.balazic@uni-mb.si on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:08:54PM +0200 References: <01L13A1NK902003VYU@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <20030925164259.B1425@devserv.devel.redhat.com> DAVID BALAZIC (david.balazic at uni-mb.si) said: > >Bugzilla will have "Fedora Core" as product, "test2" as version. > > Continuing the trend of ambigous versions ? > > What do you have against "9.0.94" or "9.0.94beta" ? Well, the version is currently 0.94. Aside from that, um, because we didn't think of that when updating it. We'll probably do that with future test releases. Bill From notting at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 20:44:44 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:44:44 -0400 Subject: still unclear about updates versus rawhide In-Reply-To: ; from rpjday@mindspring.com on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:14:50AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20030925164444.C1425@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Robert P. J. Day (rpjday at mindspring.com) said: > i still haven't seen a definitive explanation about the distinction > between "rawhide" and beta "updates." are these technically one and the > same? Not exactly. updates are for the current Fedora release. rawhide is head-of-development stream. There will be stuff in rawhide that isn't in updates. It's just as part of the fast moving model and rolling forward with more bugfixes, enhancements, etc, there will be much *more* stuff in updates for current Fedora releases than there were for previous Red Hat Linux releases, for example. For the beta stream, they'll be pretty much one and the same. Bill From dstubbs at penguin.8inchfloppy.com Thu Sep 25 21:04:51 2003 From: dstubbs at penguin.8inchfloppy.com (Dave Stubbs) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:04:51 -0400 Subject: Kernel Version Message-ID: <3F735873.9060807@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> Is there a plan to move to the 2.6 kernel? It would definitely motivate me to give Fedora a real try - maybe run it exclusively on my test box. Otherwise it's just one of the crowd of test distros out there, y'know? From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 25 21:09:33 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <3F735873.9060807@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Dave Stubbs wrote: > Is there a plan to move to the 2.6 kernel? > > It would definitely motivate me to give Fedora a real try - maybe run it > exclusively on my test box. > > Otherwise it's just one of the crowd of test distros out there, y'know? so download it from www.kernel.org and install it. no big deal. the problem with waiting until it comes out officially is that the move from 2.4 to 2.6 is a fairly big jump, and could be a bit traumatic. if you're playing with it now, and keeping up with the constant stream of patches and updates, then you get a nice, gradual transition into it. much less stressful. rday From notting at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 21:13:47 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:13:47 -0400 Subject: Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <3F735873.9060807@penguin.8inchfloppy.com>; from dstubbs@penguin.8inchfloppy.com on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 05:04:51PM -0400 References: <3F735873.9060807@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> Message-ID: <20030925171347.A23455@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Dave Stubbs (dstubbs at penguin.8inchfloppy.com) said: > Is there a plan to move to the 2.6 kernel? Not for this release, although you can get stuff from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ that will run on it. Bill From alan at clueserver.org Thu Sep 25 21:14:00 2003 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:14:00 -0700 Subject: Kernel Version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064524440.5737.8.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 14:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Dave Stubbs wrote: > > > Is there a plan to move to the 2.6 kernel? > > > > It would definitely motivate me to give Fedora a real try - maybe run it > > exclusively on my test box. > > > > Otherwise it's just one of the crowd of test distros out there, y'know? > > so download it from www.kernel.org and install it. no big deal. > the problem with waiting until it comes out officially is that > the move from 2.4 to 2.6 is a fairly big jump, and could be > a bit traumatic. > > if you're playing with it now, and keeping up with the constant > stream of patches and updates, then you get a nice, gradual > transition into it. much less stressful. My concern would be any of the differences between the Redhat kernels and the 2.6 stock kernels. Especially nptl and exec-shield. -- ________________________________________________________________________ FBI WARNING WARNING OF DOOM! 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Day wrote: >On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Dave Stubbs wrote: > > > >>Is there a plan to move to the 2.6 kernel? >> >>It would definitely motivate me to give Fedora a real try - maybe run it >>exclusively on my test box. >> >>Otherwise it's just one of the crowd of test distros out there, y'know? >> >> > >so download it from www.kernel.org and install it. no big deal. >the problem with waiting until it comes out officially is that >the move from 2.4 to 2.6 is a fairly big jump, and could be >a bit traumatic. > >if you're playing with it now, and keeping up with the constant >stream of patches and updates, then you get a nice, gradual >transition into it. much less stressful. > > > I'm already doing that, but with Debian unstable. There are a few things like module-utils and others that need to be upgraded to make the GNU/Linux OS work with Linux 2.6 kernel, which are already there if you keep your Debian fresh. But I've found that a little more difficult with Red-Hattish distros. Maybe if Fedora took a stand and became a 2.6-based install from the git-go, it would be easier. The nicest thing about RedHat is that you put in the CDs and a few minutes later you have a nice, complete, running system. It would be nice to have that WITH 2.6 already there. Dave... From alan at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 21:27:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <3F735873.9060807@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> from "Dave Stubbs" at Med 25, 2003 05:04:51 Message-ID: <200309252127.h8PLRcE01076@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Is there a plan to move to the 2.6 kernel? For the second Fedora release yes - as soon as there is a stable 2.6 kernel From alan at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 21:37:06 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F72FD0C.7020906@cypress.com> from "Thomas Dodd" at Med 25, 2003 09:34:52 Message-ID: <200309252137.h8PLb6w06686@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > The point being, toolkit choice does not make an app ugly or bad. The > fact that it looks/acts different also doesn't make it bad. Personaly I It tends to make it bad when you measure it in terms of convenience for accessibility tools (custom widget people never seem to get around to adding the ATK hooks) and also standards compliance. Actually doing it *right* is lacking in many but not all of the "we own your desktop" UI apps. >From a Red Hat point of view the lack of accessibility is a *big deal*, and I suspect as a lot of the readers of this list get older they'll begin to find some of the accessibility stuff useful too. From ted at cypress.com Thu Sep 25 21:39:39 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:39:39 -0500 Subject: Homebrew Severn ISOs In-Reply-To: <20030925141154.D6737@mail.harddata.com> References: <1064507734.15986.10.camel@ckk.rdu.redhat.com> <20030925104854.B2387@mail.harddata.com> <1064518047.25163.5.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> <20030925141154.D6737@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <3F73609B.9070701@cypress.com> Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:27:28PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > >>On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:48, Michal Jaegermann wrote: >> >>>Looks to me like a very high precision timestamp. >> >>Yep, it's a python script that generates the .discinfo, though, so it >>comes from python time.time() > > > $ perl -le '$d=gmtime 1064433227.89300; print $d' > Wed Sep 24 19:53:47 2003 wouldn't that be a unix timeval from get/settimeofday() as well? So 1064433227.89300 seconds since Jan 1, 1970 or tv_sec=106443327 seconds tv_usec=893000 microseconds -Thomas From katzj at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 21:44:34 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:44:34 -0400 Subject: Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <1064524440.5737.8.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> References: <1064524440.5737.8.camel@zontar.clueserver.org> Message-ID: <1064526274.25163.45.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 17:14, Alan wrote: > My concern would be any of the differences between the Redhat kernels > and the 2.6 stock kernels. Especially nptl and exec-shield. NPTL is in 2.6-test Cheers, Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 21:47:01 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:47:01 -0400 Subject: Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <3F735C16.5020802@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> References: <3F735C16.5020802@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> Message-ID: <1064526420.25163.49.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 17:20, Dave Stubbs wrote: > But I've found that a little more difficult with Red-Hattish distros. > Maybe if Fedora took a stand and became a 2.6-based install from the > git-go, it would be easier. The nicest thing about RedHat is that you > put in the CDs and a few minutes later you have a nice, complete, > running system. It would be nice to have that WITH 2.6 already there. Arjan has kernels at http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/ that work with the current Fedora. There's a not insignificant amount of work required to get the installer working with 2.6, and I'd far rather get the current stuff out so that people can use it before I start breaking everything again :) Cheers, Jeremy From ted at cypress.com Thu Sep 25 22:13:06 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:13:06 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <200309252137.h8PLb6w06686@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309252137.h8PLb6w06686@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F736872.8070908@cypress.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>The point being, toolkit choice does not make an app ugly or bad. The >>fact that it looks/acts different also doesn't make it bad. Personaly I > > It tends to make it bad when you measure it in terms of convenience for > accessibility tools (custom widget people never seem to get around to adding > the ATK hooks) and also standards compliance. Actually doing it *right* is > lacking in many but not all of the "we own your desktop" UI apps. So if I write an app using Xt (or Motif) it's automatically bad? And I guess writing with raw X11 (no toolkit) is right out. >>From a Red Hat point of view the lack of accessibility is a *big deal*, and > I suspect as a lot of the readers of this list get older they'll begin to > find some of the accessibility stuff useful too. I never said "accessibility" was bad. (Although it's a hideous name, brought about by the politicaly correct types. Ranks right up there with "intellectual property" to me.) Go back to the start. Maynard Kuona wrote : > > Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but > they are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. > Xine's UI is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration > into the system That's what started this. I like Xine's UI. Try a few skins, or create a new one. Hell a Bluecurve-like skin would be fine. I won't use it, but others would. Even make it the defult. I also don't like overly integrated apps. Sometimes they are good and make sense, but often they don't. Integrating the IE module with every app and the window manager has caused a lot of problems for M$. M$ Money and Word even used the IE module. But when many(most) people talk about poor integration, they mean it doesn't use the same widgets or colors or something. So they want the M$ (MFC/VB especially) world where every single app looks the same. Only one radio button, scrollbar, is used. This make things dull and boring to me. That's something I liked about GTK+ and Enlightenment. I could theme almost every widget as I liked. I could make E look nearly identical to the Atari STe. When I got bored with the look of things I changed them. I always want the ability have per application themes. I like that different apps look/behave different. Just like I liked that different models of cars looked/felt different inside. Now different makes do, but nearly every Ford uses the same dials, buttons, and indicators. So if I sat you in a Tarus, Focus, or F150 you probably couldn't tell which it was. They look the same. -Thomas From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Sep 25 22:22:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:22:43 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <1064518480.5232.12.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> <1064518480.5232.12.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <200309251822.43730.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 25, 2003 03:34 pm, Mark Guzzo Mark Guzzo wrote: > WOW, > Using Bittorrent I'm getting download speed of 85 KB/s and upload speed > of 235 KB/s! > > Kind of wish it was the other way around ;-) ... and you're *complaining*?? I'm getting this sort of throughput: dl speed: 10.5 KB/s ul speed: 33.7 KB/s Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Thu Sep 25 22:23:23 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:23:23 -0400 Subject: how do enable these TCP ports for Bittorrent? In-Reply-To: <200309252243.55812.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <200309251449.20602.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309252243.55812.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <200309251823.23935.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 25, 2003 03:43 pm, Markku Kolkka Markku Kolkka wrote: > Viestiss? Torstai 25. Syyskuuta 2003 21:49, Elton Woo kirjoitti: > > Allow incoming TCP 6881 - 6889 to join the torrent swarm. > > > > http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ > > > > I thought this might be a good time to try using / learn to use > > Bittorrent. The red hat 9 rpm pacakage is already installed, > > but I don't know if /how to enable the above ports. > > I used: > iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 6881:6889 -i eth1 -j > ACCEPT > You should change "eth1" to match your external interface. root]# iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 6881:6889 -i eth0 -j ACCEPT iptables: No chain/target/match by that name ... what am I still doing wrong here? My nic *is* eth0. Elton 8<\ -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mark at mark.mielke.cc Thu Sep 25 22:29:40 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:29:40 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <200309251822.43730.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> <1064518480.5232.12.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <200309251822.43730.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030925222940.GA24908@mark.mielke.cc> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:22:43PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 25, 2003 03:34 pm, Mark Guzzo Mark Guzzo > wrote: > > WOW, > > Using Bittorrent I'm getting download speed of 85 KB/s and upload speed > > of 235 KB/s! > > Kind of wish it was the other way around ;-) > ... and you're *complaining*?? I'm getting this sort of throughput: > dl speed: 10.5 KB/s > ul speed: 33.7 KB/s I haven't been following the bittorrent development cycle, however here is what I just observed: With bittorrent-3.2.1 installed, I was only able to climb to about 20Kbyte/s after about a minute. I aborted the download, installed bittorrent-3.3 and I now see (within a few minutes): file: severn2-binary-iso size: 1,959,821,887 (1.8 GB) dest: /part/storage/mark/redhat/severn2/iso/severn2-binary-iso progress: #######___________________________________________________________ status: finishing in 1:37:18 (12.3%) speed: 321.9 KB/s down - 63.6 KB/s up totals: 228.2 MB down - 45.8 MB up Are you using 3.3? mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Sep 25 22:32:04 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:32:04 -0500 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core Message-ID: <1064529124.6444.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Install went well. Up2date froze during first-boot while trying to register with RHN. Reboot restarted first-boot OK and up2date completed to finding there was no channel available for this system yet. Evolution has frozen multiple times - almost anytime I try to change something like adding this account or moving the subject field to the left of the from field. Have to kill all evolution processes to recover. Attempts to reboot before killing errant evolution processes failed until I did a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. RHN icon is 1 pixel wide. Any confirmation of these findings from others? If so, I will bugzilla them. Thanks. Gerry Tool From dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com Thu Sep 25 22:47:13 2003 From: dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com (Dave Ashby) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:47:13 -0400 Subject: how do enable these TCP ports for Bittorrent? In-Reply-To: <200309251823.23935.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309251449.20602.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309252243.55812.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <200309251823.23935.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F737071.6030302@1993.usna.com> do an "iptables-save" to see your active rules. your chain (RH-Firewall-1-INPUT) may need to be changed depending on how you initially created/configured your firewall. Once that's worked from the command line, do an "iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables" to write the new config file. You will probably then have to manually edit it to place the new rule before (i.e. above) the REJECT rule. Hope this helps. -dave Elton Woo wrote: >On September 25, 2003 03:43 pm, Markku Kolkka Markku Kolkka > wrote: > > >>Viestiss? Torstai 25. Syyskuuta 2003 21:49, Elton Woo kirjoitti: >> >> >>> Allow incoming TCP 6881 - 6889 to join the torrent swarm. >>> >>>http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ >>> >>>I thought this might be a good time to try using / learn to use >>>Bittorrent. The red hat 9 rpm pacakage is already installed, >>>but I don't know if /how to enable the above ports. >>> >>> >>I used: >>iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 6881:6889 -i eth1 -j >>ACCEPT >>You should change "eth1" to match your external interface. >> >> > >root]# iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 6881:6889 -i >eth0 -j ACCEPT >iptables: No chain/target/match by that name > >... what am I still doing wrong here? My nic *is* eth0. > >Elton 8<\ > > From notting at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 22:46:33 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:46:33 -0400 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064529124.6444.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net>; from gstool@earthlink.net on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 05:32:04PM -0500 References: <1064529124.6444.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030925184633.B3877@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Gerry Tool (gstool at earthlink.net) said: > Install went well. > > Up2date froze during first-boot while trying to register with RHN. > > Reboot restarted first-boot OK and up2date completed to finding there > was no channel available for this system yet. Yeah, the channel isn't populated yet. Bill From johannes at erdfelt.com Thu Sep 25 22:50:34 2003 From: johannes at erdfelt.com (Johannes Erdfelt) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:50:34 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <20030925222940.GA24908@mark.mielke.cc>; from mark@mark.mielke.cc on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:29:40PM -0400 References: <1064507332.24505.64.camel@opus> <1064518480.5232.12.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <200309251822.43730.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030925222940.GA24908@mark.mielke.cc> Message-ID: <20030925185034.L23496@sventech.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003, Mark Mielke wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:22:43PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > On September 25, 2003 03:34 pm, Mark Guzzo Mark Guzzo > > wrote: > > > WOW, > > > Using Bittorrent I'm getting download speed of 85 KB/s and upload speed > > > of 235 KB/s! > > > Kind of wish it was the other way around ;-) > > ... and you're *complaining*?? I'm getting this sort of throughput: > > dl speed: 10.5 KB/s > > ul speed: 33.7 KB/s > > I haven't been following the bittorrent development cycle, however here is > what I just observed: > > With bittorrent-3.2.1 installed, I was only able to climb to about 20Kbyte/s > after about a minute. I aborted the download, installed bittorrent-3.3 and I > now see (within a few minutes): > > file: severn2-binary-iso > size: 1,959,821,887 (1.8 GB) > dest: /part/storage/mark/redhat/severn2/iso/severn2-binary-iso > progress: #######___________________________________________________________ > status: finishing in 1:37:18 (12.3%) > speed: 321.9 KB/s down - 63.6 KB/s up > totals: 228.2 MB down - 45.8 MB up > > Are you using 3.3? I don't have any problems with 3.2.1b. I was getting download rates of around 1140KB/s (yes, over 1MB/s). Right now I'm uploading at 430KB/s. JE From thiago at jampanight.com.br Thu Sep 25 22:52:25 2003 From: thiago at jampanight.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:52:25 -0300 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <20030925184633.B3877@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064529124.6444.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <20030925184633.B3877@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064530345.2551.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em Qui, 2003-09-25 ?s 19:46, Bill Nottingha > > Reboot restarted first-boot OK and up2date completed to finding there > > was no channel available for this system yet. > > Yeah, the channel isn't populated yet. When will it be? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhking at cinci.rr.com Thu Sep 25 23:05:10 2003 From: rhking at cinci.rr.com (Salane King) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:05:10 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <200309251318.00951.nbecker@hns.com> References: <1064509902.24505.91.camel@opus> <200309251318.00951.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <200309251905.10431.rhking@cinci.rr.com> On Thursday 25 September 2003 01:18 pm, Neal D. Becker wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2003 01:11 pm, seth vidal wrote: > > > I want to try to d/l using bittorrent. I am d/l-ing to a RH9 box. > > > > > > I went to fedora and tried to install bittorrent and bittorrent-gui. I > > > could install bittorrent using yum OK, but bittorrent-gui seems to be > > > broken: > > > > > > Resolving dependencies > > > .package bittorrent-gui needs wxPythonGTK (not provided) > > > > Right - the wxPythonGTK packages aren't available atm. > > > > Just install the text version and use btdownloadcurses.py > > > > -sv > > OK, thanks. I don't know how to use bittorrent yet. How do I get > konquerer to use it? Or, if it is not easy then, how do I get mozilla to > use it? Sorry, I couldn't find this documented and I did already try some > searching. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list mozilla preferences add this mime type MIME TYPE application/x-bittorrent Discription Torrent file extention torrent open with /pathto/btdownloadgui.py -- Salane King From veillard at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 23:09:59 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:09:59 -0400 Subject: test of upcoming libxml2-2.6.0 beta version Message-ID: <20030925190959.D21529@redhat.com> I plan to provide a new version of libxml2-2.6.0 including a lot of changes at various level, it should provide significant speedups but I'm still a bit worried about possible ABI compatibilities which may have resulted from the massive changes done since 2.5.11 last stable version. I have provided a new set of RPMs and tarball at http://people.redhat.com/~veillard/libxml2/ including packages precompiled and signed for severn and shrike. I have run for the most part of the day with that version on my workstation without any apparent problem, but I would be interested in possible ABI breakage that a larger pool of tester may find :-) For those interested in the change done in the library and at the API level there is a few posts about those. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/xml/2003-September/msg00146.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/xml/2003-September/msg00115.html Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From bfox at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 23:44:48 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:44:48 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F736872.8070908@cypress.com> References: <200309252137.h8PLb6w06686@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F736872.8070908@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1064533487.3373.50.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 18:13, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > >>The point being, toolkit choice does not make an app ugly or bad. The > >>fact that it looks/acts different also doesn't make it bad. Personaly I > > > > It tends to make it bad when you measure it in terms of convenience for > > accessibility tools (custom widget people never seem to get around to adding > > the ATK hooks) and also standards compliance. Actually doing it *right* is > > lacking in many but not all of the "we own your desktop" UI apps. > > So if I write an app using Xt (or Motif) it's automatically bad? > And I guess writing with raw X11 (no toolkit) is right out. It's "automatically bad" in the sense that it won't look the same as most of the other apps. If that doesn't bother you or your users, then there's no problem. However, most people who do usability studies will tell you that consistency is good for the majority of users. Some people consider the movement towards usability and accessibility to be a "dumbing-down" of the user interface. In my opinion, there is a balance between usability and features that is sometimes hard to find. Speaking for myself, I want my software to be used by the widest possible audience. That sometimes means placing the needs of the less technically inclined majority over the needs of the power users. > >>From a Red Hat point of view the lack of accessibility is a *big deal*, and > > I suspect as a lot of the readers of this list get older they'll begin to > > find some of the accessibility stuff useful too. > > I never said "accessibility" was bad. (Although it's a hideous name, > brought about by the politicaly correct types. Ranks right up there with > "intellectual property" to me.) > > Go back to the start. > > Maynard Kuona wrote : > > > > Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but > > they are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. > > Xine's UI is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration > > into the system > > That's what started this. I like Xine's UI. Try a few skins, or create a > new one. Hell a Bluecurve-like skin would be fine. I won't use it, but > others would. Even make it the defult. > > I also don't like overly integrated apps. Sometimes they are good and > make sense, but often they don't. Integrating the IE module with every > app and the window manager has caused a lot of problems for M$. M$ Money > and Word even used the IE module. > > But when many(most) people talk about poor integration, they mean it > doesn't use the same widgets or colors or something. So they want the M$ > (MFC/VB especially) world where every single app looks the same. Only > one radio button, scrollbar, is used. This make things > dull and boring to me. Looking at things in a different way, one could say that a good UI *should* be dull and boring. Why should the buttons and scrollbars look different? When someone buys a button-down shirt, they want all the buttons to look the same, right? It all depends on why one uses a computer. Is the point to get work done or is the point to configure things? If the point is to get work done, then the less time the user spends thinking about the UI, the better. > That's something I liked about GTK+ and Enlightenment. I could theme > almost every widget as I liked. I could make E look nearly identical to > the Atari STe. When I got bored with the look of things I changed them. > I always want the ability have per application themes. I like that > different apps look/behave different. Unfortunately, the complexity that attracted you to Enlightenment is the same complexity that scares less technically inclined users away. Now I'm not saying that we have to aim for the lowest common denominator. All I'm saying is that UI designers have to take into account the needs of their target audience. Enlightenment is obviously targeted at a technically inclined user base. That's great if that's what you're looking for, but I think in general most of us want to hit a larger target. Cheers, Brent > Just like I liked that different models of cars looked/felt different > inside. Now different makes do, but nearly every Ford uses the same > dials, buttons, and indicators. So if I sat you in a Tarus, Focus, or > F150 you probably couldn't tell which it was. They look the same. > > -Thomas > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From yinyang at eburg.com Thu Sep 25 23:52:53 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:52:53 -0700 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064529124.6444.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1064529124.6444.5.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F737FD5.4070203@eburg.com> Gerry Tool wrote: > > RHN icon is 1 pixel wide. > > Any confirmation of these findings from others? If so, I will bugzilla > them. I'd check bugzilla for this one before adding a new entry. This bug is OLD. From pp at ee.oulu.fi Fri Sep 26 00:02:01 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:02:01 +0300 Subject: 0.94 first impressions Message-ID: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> Just did a install (and finally fixed my partitioning so / isn't full all the time due to /var being on the same tiny partition), here's what I noticed: + Installer seems faster than it has been in the past, especially in the package installation stage. Could be that this time the source .iso images were on a separate drive, improvements in rpm/anaconda/kernel or just my imagination. Oh well :-) + Choosing the packages I wanted was faster and easier than before. I think I managed to get just about all obscure packages I always want to installed apart from zsh (which I could have missed or maybe there was no selection for it). In any case, looks like a pretty good compromise between usability and powerfulness. - Can't we finally get rid of Sendmail as the default MTA, I'd fell so much better if postfix was the default listens-on-loopback-only MTA that is unfortunately still needed (or is it these days?) - Nice cursors in anaconda, although there was a pretty ugly standard-X11-black&white one for a while. Also during package install it was an arrow instead of some "I'm doing stuff" cursor, which is probably wrong. Will bugzilla in the morning :-) - Ethernet config stuff in the anaconda doesn't allow the IP-less config used by PPPoE that redhat-config-network does. You need to either give it an IP or tell it to use DHCP. Not sure what the best way to fix this is, maybe network configuration could be done in firstboot+redhat-config-network, not anaconda? Again, I'll bugzilla in the morning. And now it's time for some sleep, too unconscious to do any understandable bug reports at this point ;-) -- Pekka Pietikainen From hutigers at hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 00:30:32 2003 From: hutigers at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?1dgg9s4=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:30:32 +0800 Subject: There do should have different between up2date and Rawhide? Message-ID: Hello, everyone. I have an question. There do should have different between up2date and Rawhide? My answer is no. However, the fact now seems different. What makes me think of it is as below. 1)I use up2date to update my Severn everyday. I aslo subcribe the two Severn Channel, Beta and Beta Updates 2)However, since the Fedora announce date,Sep. 22ed, until now, Sep. 26th, I notice my up2date tells me there is nothing to update. 3)As I said above, I use up2date everyday, so I feel more and more strange about that. Then I go to ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS to see if my Severn is updated. 4)I use rpm -q to check. I checked to package: up2date and XFree86, which I think is the most frequently updated. The result are as below. [hutigers at www hutigers]$ rpm -q up2date up2date-3.9.28-2 [hutigers at www hutigers]$ rpm -q XFree86 XFree86-4.3.0-32 However, what I find in ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS now is up2date-3.9.29-2.i386.rpm and XFree86-4.3.0-33.i386.rpm, which are newer. 5)Then I go to https://rhn.redhat.com/ and http://fedora.redhat.com/ to check if there is something changed. 6)In https://rhn.redhat.com/ I find "Mailman RPM does not properly handle package installation and upgrade." And I notice it has bugs on upgrade. 7)In http://fedora.redhat.com/ I find nothing newer than Sep 22ed. then I go to http://fedora.redhat.com/download/#errata, where I find the below message. AA:**Check for Updates** BB:**If you downloaded a beta, check Rawhide for updated packages or the RHN beta channel using the Red Hat Update Agent (up2date).** CC:**If you downloaded a final release, check for Errata via Red Hat Network or from the Errata website.** Notice the BB section. It says "check Rawhide for updated packages or the RHN beta channel using the Red Hat Update Agent (up2date)". That makes me believe that two methods you do will come to the same result. However, it is not. In https://ren.redhat.com/ you can find up2date is just as follows up2date-3.9.28-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.26-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.25-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.24-1 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.23-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.20-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.19-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.15-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.13-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.9.12-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates up2date-3.1.46-2 Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta And in rawhide,ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS, up2date is now up2date-3.9.29-2.i386.rpm. So now rawhide is newer than update channels 8 and final) After the long discussion, my question is that. Is that a mistake make the two different? I mean that the two should be the same. Or in fact the rawhide should be newer than the update channel, as it is more unstable than update channel? If the second answer is yes, please tell me a way to update with rawhide automaticly. Thanks you all too read this long page and best regards. :) hutigers Sep. 26th, 2003 _________________________________________________________________ ??????????????? MSN Hotmail? http://www.hotmail.com From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Fri Sep 26 00:34:04 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:34:04 +0200 Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: <200309251527.51048.lowen@pari.edu> References: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> <3F716E68.9030607@ec-partners.com> <200309251527.51048.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <20030926023404.015c5c79.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:27:51 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Wednesday 24 September 2003 06:14, Nicholas Yau wrote: > > What you need to do is write a script and run the script > > in rc.local for startup > > No. > > You configure iptables appropriately, then run 'iptables-save > > /etc/sysconfig/iptables ' and use the existing initscripts system the > way it was designed. Sheesh. Alternatively: service iptables save IP forwarding can be toggled via `redhat-config-proc' (on the second tab of "Networking -- IP"). --Kai From fmerenda at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 00:36:22 2003 From: fmerenda at yahoo.com (Frank Merenda) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix Message-ID: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry if this is a dup, I wasn't properly subscribed to test, so I wanted to repeat this message for laptop users if it didn't go through. Yeah, I know beta two is out. :) I just installed beta 1 (9.0.93) on a Tecra 8200. The first few times it would hang at /sbin/loader (I think) - right before the graphical mode started up. I tried the 'nofb' option, but that didn't work. I then passed the following into the command line: linux nofb pci=off and the install start working correctly. I had to answer 'no' to 'have driver disk', and 'no' to 'load driver' when new devices were found on boot. I also had to change my boot into level 3, and disable pcmcia, since that service was hanging and preventing me from booting. I haven't tried any devices in pcmcia yet, so I don't know if it will work or not. After that, everything booted fine. I ran startx, and X started correctly. My next question is 'where's gnome 2.4'? How do I get it? Thanks! -Frank ===== - Frank Merenda Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Sep 26 00:37:01 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:37:01 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064536621.4585.2.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 20:36, Frank Merenda wrote: > My next question is 'where's gnome 2.4'? How do I get > it? in beta2 -sv From fmerenda at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 00:43:20 2003 From: fmerenda at yahoo.com (Frank Merenda) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gnome 2.4 - beta 2 - upgrading from beta 1 and RH 9 Message-ID: <20030926004320.11100.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> > > My next question is 'where's gnome 2.4'? How do I > get > > it? > > in beta2 > > -sv I thought you were going to say that. :) Thanks for the information - I do appreciate it. Ok, here's the next question. if I have beta 1 installed, can I apt-get dist-upgrade to beta 2? If so, do I have to change anything in my sources.list? Second question. On my main laptop I am running RedHat 9. Is there any way to upgrade via apt-get? Or do I have to download the ISO's and install? I'm on a dialup, and would like to apt-get dist-upgrade from 9 if possible. Thanks in advance! ===== - Frank Merenda Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From hutigers at hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 00:58:51 2003 From: hutigers at hotmail.com (=?gb2312?B?1dgg9s4=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:58:51 +0800 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? Message-ID: Hello, everyone here. I use Severn 9.0.93 now. Then I notice the 9.0.94 is available. Can I wait and use up2date to make my Severn Beta to Beta 2? Best Regards. hutigers Sep. 26th, 2003 _________________________________________________________________ ???? MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Fri Sep 26 01:03:24 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:03:24 +0200 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F736872.8070908@cypress.com> Message-ID: <000001c383c9$fd2aeda0$196d9e89@pegasus> I do not have a problem with Xine and all using their own interfaces per se. I started this thread and thought I should clarify. I think I would much prefer stuff like file selection be done with either GTK or Qt, or if it was possible, they could use the fileselector of whatever environment they are being used from. The UIs are sometimes very ugly too, which is why I do prefer they use one of the dominant toolkits, GTK or Qt, or wxwindows. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Dodd Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:13 AM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) Alan Cox wrote: >>The point being, toolkit choice does not make an app ugly or bad. The >>fact that it looks/acts different also doesn't make it bad. Personaly I > > It tends to make it bad when you measure it in terms of convenience for > accessibility tools (custom widget people never seem to get around to adding > the ATK hooks) and also standards compliance. Actually doing it *right* is > lacking in many but not all of the "we own your desktop" UI apps. So if I write an app using Xt (or Motif) it's automatically bad? And I guess writing with raw X11 (no toolkit) is right out. >>From a Red Hat point of view the lack of accessibility is a *big deal*, and > I suspect as a lot of the readers of this list get older they'll begin to > find some of the accessibility stuff useful too. I never said "accessibility" was bad. (Although it's a hideous name, brought about by the politicaly correct types. Ranks right up there with "intellectual property" to me.) Go back to the start. Maynard Kuona wrote : > > Xine, mplayer, VLC. They work well, i.e., show video and all, but > they are ugly, seem to use some arbitrary toolkit, if any at all. > Xine's UI is ugly, mplayers is ugly. They lack proper integration > into the system That's what started this. I like Xine's UI. Try a few skins, or create a new one. Hell a Bluecurve-like skin would be fine. I won't use it, but others would. Even make it the defult. I also don't like overly integrated apps. Sometimes they are good and make sense, but often they don't. Integrating the IE module with every app and the window manager has caused a lot of problems for M$. M$ Money and Word even used the IE module. But when many(most) people talk about poor integration, they mean it doesn't use the same widgets or colors or something. So they want the M$ (MFC/VB especially) world where every single app looks the same. Only one radio button, scrollbar, is used. This make things dull and boring to me. That's something I liked about GTK+ and Enlightenment. I could theme almost every widget as I liked. I could make E look nearly identical to the Atari STe. When I got bored with the look of things I changed them. I always want the ability have per application themes. I like that different apps look/behave different. Just like I liked that different models of cars looked/felt different inside. Now different makes do, but nearly every Ford uses the same dials, buttons, and indicators. So if I sat you in a Tarus, Focus, or F150 you probably couldn't tell which it was. They look the same. -Thomas -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Sep 26 01:27:24 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:27:24 -0400 Subject: gnome 2.4 - beta 2 - upgrading from beta 1 and RH 9 In-Reply-To: <20030926004320.11100.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030926004320.11100.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064539643.4585.4.camel@binkley> > Ok, here's the next question. > if I have beta 1 installed, can I > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > to beta 2? If so, do I have to change anything in my > sources.list? > I dunno - I'm not much of an apt user. :) you can run: yum upgrade after installing yum and that should work just fine. it did for me. -sv From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Sep 26 01:28:34 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:28:34 -0500 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional Message-ID: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> I just logged into KDE after trying things out in Gnome and the Start Here icon gives an error dialog: Malformed URL start-here: and does not open a Start Here folder. Is this seen by others? - if so, I'll bugzilla it. Gerry Tool From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 26 02:25:21 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:25:21 -0400 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional In-Reply-To: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 25, 2003 09:28 pm, Gerry Tool Gerry Tool wrote: > I just logged into KDE after trying things out in Gnome and the Start > Here icon gives an error dialog: > > Malformed URL start-here: > > and does not open a Start Here folder. > > Is this seen by others? - if so, I'll bugzilla it. It's one of "my" bugs! Gerry, have a look here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102533 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 26 02:27:19 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:27:19 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <20030925185034.L23496@sventech.com> References: <20030925222940.GA24908@mark.mielke.cc> <20030925185034.L23496@sventech.com> Message-ID: <200309252227.19177.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 25, 2003 06:50 pm, Johannes Erdfelt Johannes Erdfelt wrote: > > With bittorrent-3.2.1 installed, I was only able to climb to about > > 20Kbyte/s after about a minute. I aborted the download, installed > > bittorrent-3.3 and I now bittorrent-3.2.1-0.fdr.2.b.rh90 is what I have installed right now. Is there a rpm tarball of 3.3? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Sep 26 02:35:53 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:35:53 -0500 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional In-Reply-To: <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064543752.30792.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 21:25, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 25, 2003 09:28 pm, Gerry Tool Gerry Tool > wrote: > > I just logged into KDE after trying things out in Gnome and the Start > > Here icon gives an error dialog: > > > > Malformed URL start-here: > > > > and does not open a Start Here folder. > > > > Is this seen by others? - if so, I'll bugzilla it. > > It's one of "my" bugs! > > Gerry, have a look here: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102533 > > Elton ;-) I read the bug report and it is different. When I click on the KDE Desktop Start Here icon which in Gnome contains all the preferences, etc., I get no view of anything - just an error dialog. Gerry From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 02:53:24 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 25 Sep 2003 23:53:24 -0300 Subject: still unclear about updates versus rawhide In-Reply-To: <20030925164444.C1425@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030925164444.C1425@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 25, 2003, Bill Nottingham wrote: > there will be much *more* stuff in updates for current Fedora > releases than there were for previous Red Hat Linux releases, for > example. Would it be too hard for us to enable people to download/rsync the complete set of updates available for Severn? Having several boxes at home running Severn, it took me a significant amount of time every day there was a push to the RHN updates channel to (i) download all updates available from RHN, (ii) propagate them to an NFS-shared packageDir, and (iii) run up2date -u on all boxes, hoping no additional packages were pushed. If I could just rsync the exact set of the packages available from RHN, headers included, I wouldn't need so much manual interaction to keep all of my boxes up2date. Of course, getting every machine to download every package would work, but it would be a major waste of bandwidth. Having a local copy of rawhide has helped, but only to a point. RHN updates have often been about a day ahead of rawhide, so there were always packages in the channel that would have to be downloaded separately. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 26 02:53:49 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:53:49 -0400 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional In-Reply-To: <1064543752.30792.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064543752.30792.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200309252253.49238.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 25, 2003 10:35 pm, Gerry Tool Gerry Tool wrote: > > Gerry, have a look here: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102533 > > > > Elton ;-) > > I read the bug report and it is different. When I click on the KDE > Desktop Start Here icon which in Gnome contains all the preferences, > etc., I get no view of anything - just an error dialog. In that case, we're back at square one with that "malformed URL". The problem existed before with the Start Here icon in KDE, and now it looks like it's back again. I guess you might as well file a bug report... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From mike at netlyncs.com Fri Sep 26 03:32:09 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:32:09 -0500 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064547129.2077.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 19:58, ??? ??? wrote: > Hello, everyone here. > I use Severn 9.0.93 now. Then I notice the 9.0.94 is available. Can I wait > and use up2date to make my Severn Beta to Beta 2? You *might* be able to, but it won't be a complete upgrade and it may not work afterwards. And you may not get all the updates and such. It also isn't supported, so bug reports and such won't get fixed. You either have to upgrade from an official release, or install from scratch. Besides, your not testing the beta properly while upgrading from one beta to another. And if your afraid your going to lose your settings, then your out of luck. Save what you need and redo it. Mike From mark at mark.mielke.cc Fri Sep 26 03:59:01 2003 From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:59:01 -0400 Subject: Torrents? [Re: Test 2 Release Communication] In-Reply-To: <200309252227.19177.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <20030925222940.GA24908@mark.mielke.cc> <20030925185034.L23496@sventech.com> <200309252227.19177.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030926035901.GA1792@mark.mielke.cc> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 10:27:19PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 25, 2003 06:50 pm, Johannes Erdfelt Johannes Erdfelt > wrote: > > > With bittorrent-3.2.1 installed, I was only able to climb to about > > > 20Kbyte/s after about a minute. I aborted the download, installed > > > bittorrent-3.3 and I now > bittorrent-3.2.1-0.fdr.2.b.rh90 is what I have installed right now. > Is there a rpm tarball of 3.3? I didn't find one, but then, they are just python scripts. Extract the .tar.gz file and execute. No compilation necessary. mark -- mark at mielke.cc/markm at ncf.ca/markm at nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 26 04:05:30 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:05:30 -0400 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD Message-ID: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> How does one check / verify the md5sum of a disk *after* the iso is burned to the CD? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ckloiber at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 04:10:25 2003 From: ckloiber at redhat.com (Chris Kloiber) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:10:25 -0400 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064549420.20195.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:05, Elton Woo wrote: > How does one check / verify the md5sum of a disk *after* the iso > is burned to the CD? > > Elton Assuming the first disk boots properly, when you see the boot: prompt, type: boot: linux mediacheck It will check the disk for you (an md5sum is implanted in each disk) and it will tell you if any or all the disks are good. -- Chris Kloiber Red Hat, Inc. From vid at linuxpowered.com Fri Sep 26 04:12:12 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:12:12 -0500 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064549532.8213.0.camel@fedora.linuxpowered.com> make an iso of the CD again and do a md5sum name of new iso ?. usually tho, when you download the iso is where you get the problem, so just check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded to the MD5SUM of the files they gave you. On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 23:05, Elton Woo wrote: > How does one check / verify the md5sum of a disk *after* the iso > is burned to the CD? > > Elton From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Fri Sep 26 04:15:26 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:15:26 -0500 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> I just installed Beta2 on my Dell Latitude CPx750 without any problems. Whats so cool about laptop installs is that you can swap out hard drives really easy. I have a hard drive just for this purpose. Is it me, or is this Beta2 snappier than RH9 ? Byte On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 19:36, Frank Merenda wrote: > Sorry if this is a dup, I wasn't properly subscribed > to test, so I wanted to repeat this message for laptop > users if it didn't go through. > > Yeah, I know beta two is out. :) > > I just installed beta 1 (9.0.93) on a Tecra 8200. The > first few times it would hang at /sbin/loader (I > think) - right before the graphical mode started up. I > tried the 'nofb' option, but that didn't work. I then > passed the following into the command line: > > linux nofb pci=off > > and the install start working correctly. > I had to answer 'no' to 'have driver disk', and 'no' > to 'load driver' when new devices were found on boot. > > I also had to change my boot into level 3, and disable > pcmcia, since that service was hanging and preventing > me from booting. I haven't tried any devices in pcmcia > yet, so I don't know if it will work or not. After > that, everything booted fine. I ran startx, and X > started correctly. > > My next question is 'where's gnome 2.4'? How do I get > it? > > Thanks! > -Frank > > ===== > - Frank Merenda > Author - Uptime - http://www.steidler.net/uptime/ > -a community based Linux blog and newsletter- > Registered Linux User #234428 - http://counter.li.org > webmaster - Humane Society of Jackson County - http://www.hsjc.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Sep 26 04:15:50 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:15:50 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> Message-ID: <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:15, ByteEnable wrote: > I just installed Beta2 on my Dell Latitude CPx750 without any problems. > Whats so cool about laptop installs is that you can swap out hard drives > really easy. I have a hard drive just for this purpose. > > Is it me, or is this Beta2 snappier than RH9 ? > Not just you. I've noticed it too. -sv From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 26 04:29:55 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:29:55 -0400 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <1064549532.8213.0.camel@fedora.linuxpowered.com> References: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064549532.8213.0.camel@fedora.linuxpowered.com> Message-ID: <200309260029.55892.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 26, 2003 12:12 am, Vidyut Luther Vidyut Luther wrote: > make an iso of the CD again and do a md5sum name of new iso ?. > usually tho, when you download the iso is where you get the problem, so > just check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded to the MD5SUM of the > files they gave you. I always run "md5sum *.iso" before burning the disk. What I meant, was "is there a command to run against the finished disk, before proceeding to install (or boot the disk)?" But I guess I can do as Chris Kloiber suggested and do it after booting. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From tdiehl at rogueind.com Fri Sep 26 04:36:51 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <200309260029.55892.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 26, 2003 12:12 am, Vidyut Luther Vidyut Luther > wrote: > > make an iso of the CD again and do a md5sum name of new iso ?. > > usually tho, when you download the iso is where you get the problem, so > > just check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded to the MD5SUM of the > > files they gave you. > I always run "md5sum *.iso" before burning the disk. What I meant, > was "is there a command to run against the finished disk, before proceeding > to install (or boot the disk)?" > > But I guess I can do as Chris Kloiber suggested and do it after booting. "md5sum /dev/cdrom" The problem with that is that it is possible for it to fail and the cd still be good or so I am told. I always burn in DAO mode and have never had problems with the above command failing. HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 04:40:24 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Sep 2003 01:40:24 -0300 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <200309260029.55892.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064549532.8213.0.camel@fedora.linuxpowered.com> <200309260029.55892.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sep 26, 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > "is there a command to run against the finished disk, before > proceeding to install (or boot the disk)?" /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/checkisomd5 -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From philipwyett at dsl.pipex.com Fri Sep 26 04:57:11 2003 From: philipwyett at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Wyett) Date: 26 Sep 2003 05:57:11 +0100 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 Message-ID: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> Hi, Some initial spots/impressions of Fedora Core Test 2. - Doing a workstation install but de-selecting the games section, still leaves you with kdelibs being installed. - Grub boot screen still has messy layout. - Graphical boot is much faster - Nice! :) Still doesn't look too appealing though. - Beep when graphical login appears is just bloody annoying, but I could live with it! :) - Main part of Gnome panel goes black for around two seconds when loading up. This never affected the same crash test dummy box with RH 9 or Severn beta 1. - 'Desktop' folder in 'home/username' under Gnome 2.4 is a pain because it's case sensitive. Not everyone uses upper case in directory naming and the ability to rename it 'desktop' or even hide it would be nice. - Desktop icons way way spread - see: http://www.philipwyett.dsl.pipex.com/fedora/testing/default_desktop.png Cleaning up by name does not rectify this problem. :( - Alot of the apps when started maximised have a problem in the top right corner of the screen - see: http://www.philipwyett.dsl.pipex.com/fedora/testing/moz_started_max.png - 1 pixel wide notification area on panel is well known about! - 'Add/Remove Applications' still doesn't work for installs. - Mouse console services shutdown permanently fails at shutdown/reboot. - 'md: Recovery thread got woken up' - This thing seriously needs a line of it's own. :) I'll keep my powder dry on Gaim bugs as I think Havoc will soon rawhide 0.69. Regards Phil -- Email: philipwyett at dsl.pipex.com Website: http://www.philipwyett.dsl.pipex.com Public key: http://www.philipwyett.dsl.pipex.com/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From elwoo at videotron.ca Fri Sep 26 04:58:39 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:58:39 -0400 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: References: <200309260005.30047.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309260029.55892.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200309260058.39359.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 26, 2003 12:40 am, Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > "is there a command to run against the finished disk, before > > proceeding to install (or boot the disk)?" > > /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/checkisomd5 However, I don't have anaconda-runtime installed ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 26 05:15:17 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:15:17 +0800 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <3F73CB65.90403@postnewspapers.com.au> > - Can't we finally get rid of Sendmail as the default MTA, I'd fell > so much better if postfix was the default listens-on-loopback-only MTA that > is unfortunately still needed (or is it these days?) Please, in the interests of solid default security. It is fairly trivial for the user to just install sendmail, and anybody who should be USING sendmail (managing security, etc) should definitely be able to do that. They're going to need to update it fairly frequently after all :-P Switching from sendmail to postfix strikes me as wise for the same reason RH ships with a firewall on by default. Both can cause occasional issues or breakage, neither are perfect, but both do significantly improve out-of-the-box security while allowing users to easily alter/remove them if needed. Craig Ringer From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Sep 26 06:17:32 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:17:32 -0500 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> Message-ID: <3F73D9FC.5080306@lopht.net> Philip Wyett wrote: > Hi, > > Some initial spots/impressions of Fedora Core Test 2. > [snip] > > - Desktop icons way way spread - see: > > > http://www.philipwyett.dsl.pipex.com/fedora/testing/default_desktop.png > > Cleaning up by name does not rectify this problem. :( I recall reading that Gnome 2.4 had the new feature of fixing icons to a grid, so Cleanup by name may simply snap them to the closest grid. Look for desktop settings somewhere, hopefully that's an easy option that you don't have to use gconf for. I would like to note that Align to Grid was something present in the Red Hat releases a few years ago in the early days of Gnome. I forget what the default window manager was. Probably Enlightenment, but it might have been Sawbox/Sawfish. I have missed it ever since and am glad to see it back. From pmatilai at welho.com Fri Sep 26 06:30:31 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:30:31 +0300 Subject: gnome 2.4 - beta 2 - upgrading from beta 1 and RH 9 In-Reply-To: <20030926004320.11100.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030926004320.11100.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064557831.3f73dd0735b68@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Frank Merenda : > > > My next question is 'where's gnome 2.4'? How do I > > get > > > it? > > > > in beta2 > > > > -sv > > I thought you were going to say that. :) Thanks for > the information - I do appreciate it. > > Ok, here's the next question. > if I have beta 1 installed, can I > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > to beta 2? If so, do I have to change anything in my > sources.list? Possible, yes. Whether you need to touch sources.list depends on the repository you're using, most likely test2 will be in the same directory as the first beta so no need for change but that really depends. > > Second question. On my main laptop I am running RedHat > 9. Is there any way to upgrade via apt-get? Or do I > have to download the ISO's and install? I'm on a > dialup, and would like to apt-get dist-upgrade from 9 > if possible. Haven't tried it yet but I upgraded from RH 9 to rawhide like couple of weeks ago without any problems - shouldn't be any big issues there. Doing that over dialup connection .. ouch. Gonna take ages... -- - Panu - From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Sep 26 06:43:36 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:43:36 +0200 Subject: test2 via rawhide Message-ID: <200309260843.36675.terraformers@gmx.net> hello i checked the redhat ftp and some mirrors and most of them already have the test2 release files, fine. my question is when do the test2 packages propagate to the rawhide channel because i noticed that the packages from the test2 (severn) folder are newer than the ones in rawhide. (rawhide-release is from 23-09) lars From pp at ee.oulu.fi Fri Sep 26 08:01:17 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:01:17 +0300 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <20030926080117.GA2136@ee.oulu.fi> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:02:01AM +0300, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > - Nice cursors in anaconda, although there was a pretty ugly > standard-X11-black&white one for a while. Also during package > install it was an arrow instead of some "I'm doing stuff" cursor, which is > probably wrong. Will bugzilla in the morning :-) (#105641) > > - Ethernet config stuff in the anaconda doesn't allow the IP-less > config used by PPPoE that redhat-config-network does. You need to either > Again, I'll bugzilla in the morning. (#105642) -- Pekka Pietikainen From mike at netlyncs.com Fri Sep 26 08:22:30 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:22:30 -0500 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <3F73D9FC.5080306@lopht.net> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <3F73D9FC.5080306@lopht.net> Message-ID: <1064564549.8884.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 01:17, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I recall reading that Gnome 2.4 had the new feature of fixing icons to a > grid, so Cleanup by name may simply snap them to the closest grid. Look > for desktop settings somewhere, hopefully that's an easy option that you > don't have to use gconf for. I noticed the same thing. Haven't looked yet to see about assigning/changing grids. But I also noticed that on the gnome-panel, when running the weather-applet that if you make the panel smaller in size (height wise), the weather applet doesn't shrink with it. It stays big, therefore the temp is below the panel and barely see the top of it. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now...GOOD!" From mikko at ipi.fi Fri Sep 26 08:56:56 2003 From: mikko at ipi.fi (Mikko Paananen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:56:56 +0300 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064566616.11769.21.camel@death> On 2003-09-26 at 07:36, Tom Diehl wrote: > "md5sum /dev/cdrom" The problem with that is that it is possible for it > to fail and the cd still be good or so I am told. That won't usually work, md5sum will try to read past end of the disc, generate an error and give you wrong checksum. You have to read exactly right amount of data, isosize will give the size of iso9660 filesystem on disc: dd count=$[`isosize /dev/cdrom`/2048] bs=2048 if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum - (2048 is the block size on cdrom.) From marian at gg3d.com Fri Sep 26 09:01:46 2003 From: marian at gg3d.com (Mariusz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Smyku=B3a?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:01:46 +0200 Subject: Kernel Version In-Reply-To: <1064526420.25163.49.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F735C16.5020802@penguin.8inchfloppy.com> <1064526420.25163.49.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064566906.3107.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> W li?cie z czw, 25-09-2003, godz. 23:47, Jeremy Katz pisze: > Arjan has kernels at http://people.redhat.com/~arjanv/2.5/ that work > with the current Fedora. No, this is not working with current Fedora - package dependencies problem!!! -- Mariusz 'marian' Smyku?a --------------------------------- jid/email: marian at t-system.com.pl --------------------------------- From megahz at megahz.org Fri Sep 26 09:20:56 2003 From: megahz at megahz.org (Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz)) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:20:56 +0300 Subject: new here Message-ID: <001001c3840f$7fdd6ee0$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> Hello people, I am new to fedora (I am downloading it right now) but I am using redhat linux 3 years now. I just wanted to say nice to meet you all, and you will have my comments after I test Fedora Andreas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From czar at czarc.net Fri Sep 26 09:28:17 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:28:17 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions Message-ID: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be missing (bugzilla 105646). 2. After installation, when I booted up everything looked OK untill I got to firstboot when the cursor did not react normally (bounced around the screen). Once I got to gdm and gnome/metacity, the cursor responded normally (bugzilla 105648). 3. Thank you for including the vmware driver in XFree86. Did going to Fedora make this "easier"? -- Gene C. From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 10:09:50 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Botoaca Andrei) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:09:50 +0300 Subject: KDE 3.1.4 maybe ? Message-ID: I won't be a b*tch about it ... but is there any date know for KDE 3.1.4 including in severn ? (Because I saw that SuSE has updates for it already ...). I saw it was out for a while, and no KDE 3.1.4 in Severn2 ... although i hoped so ... Thanks Me _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From sutr at valachian-labs.com Fri Sep 26 11:30:46 2003 From: sutr at valachian-labs.com (Zdenek SUTR Kaminski) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:30:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Installation on Dell D500 Latitude failed via ftp. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I have installed severn-beta1 without any problems via ftp with using floppy disks bootdisk.img and drvnet.img on $Subject. But in severn-beta2: * in lilo promtp I type "linux text" * then I choose "Czech" (and in 2nd instalation "English") * keyboard: cz-lat2 (us) * installation method: "FTP" * On "no driver found" screen I see, that I have tree choices: "Select driver" or "Use a driver disk" or "Back" + When I select "select driver" I see "no driver were found to manualy insert." Then I select choice "Load driver disk" and installation process write on display: "install exited abnormally -- received signal 11, sending termination signals done ....... you may safely reboot your system" + When I select "Use a driver disk", then installation process is ending with previous error. How can You help me please and how can I help You with this problem? -- Bc. Zdenek Kaminski IPv6 router homepage: http://www.liberouter.org/ Key: 0xD7315488 Key fingerprint: 3CB0 8108 CB76 446E 2895 AF33 9B3A 851B D731 5488 From david.balazic at uni-mb.si Fri Sep 26 11:39:56 2003 From: david.balazic at uni-mb.si (DAVID BALAZIC) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:39:56 +0200 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core Message-ID: <01L14EZKY8OI0047DK@rcum.uni-mb.si> Gerry Tool wrote : >RHN icon is 1 pixel wide. Bug 87925 -- David Balazic E-mail : david.balazic at uni-mb.si | living in sLOVEnija home page: http://surf.to/stein -- From veillard at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 11:56:22 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:56:22 -0400 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <01L14EZKY8OI0047DK@rcum.uni-mb.si>; from david.balazic@uni-mb.si on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 01:39:56PM +0200 References: <01L14EZKY8OI0047DK@rcum.uni-mb.si> Message-ID: <20030926075622.L21529@redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 01:39:56PM +0200, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote : > > >RHN icon is 1 pixel wide. > > Bug 87925 it's a race condition under load, I managed to reproduce it once only but not under debugging conditions, it involves the applet, the Xserver and the the panel . I.e. nobody was ever able to debug it and find exactly what's happening. Logging in a new session under load or on an relatively slow box can generate the problem. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From mingo at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 12:08:15 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: exec-shield for 2.6 [was: Re: Kernel Version] In-Reply-To: <1064526274.25163.45.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > My concern would be any of the differences between the Redhat kernels > > and the 2.6 stock kernels. Especially nptl and exec-shield. > > NPTL is in 2.6-test i've also done a 2.6 exec-shield port: redhat.com/~mingo/exec-shield/exec-shield-2.6.0-test5-B3 Ingo From grant at tuins.ac.jp Fri Sep 26 12:46:45 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:46:45 +0900 Subject: Postive points in Test 2 In-Reply-To: <20030926075622.L21529@redhat.com> References: <01L14EZKY8OI0047DK@rcum.uni-mb.si> <20030926075622.L21529@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F743535.7090102@tuins.ac.jp> Well, everything seems pretty much like it did via the rawhide updates, though I noticed the installation steps have decreased by three - nice. Best thing is that my CD/RW works finally, which it hadn't in the first beta. But where's Bill's blue velvet fedora? Ralston From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Sep 26 13:10:57 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:10:57 -0500 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <20030926075622.L21529@redhat.com> References: <01L14EZKY8OI0047DK@rcum.uni-mb.si> <20030926075622.L21529@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064581856.32100.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 06:56, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 01:39:56PM +0200, DAVID BALAZIC wrote: > > Gerry Tool wrote : > > > > >RHN icon is 1 pixel wide. > > > > Bug 87925 > > it's a race condition under load, I managed to reproduce it once only > but not under debugging conditions, it involves the applet, the Xserver > and the the panel . I.e. nobody was ever able to debug it and find > exactly what's happening. Logging in a new session under load or on an > relatively slow box can generate the problem. Added a comment to bug #75225 which is the one that is assigned. My CPU is an Athlon XP 1800+, 512MB DDR2100 memory, 100GB 7500rpm harddrive, Radeon 7500, so don't think it is limited to slow machines. Gerry From ba at linuxin.dk Fri Sep 26 13:18:00 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:18:00 +0200 Subject: Nvidia and Fedora Core Message-ID: <1064582280.6335.3.camel@Linux1> Hi Im not able to install Nvidia drivers on Fedora Core Test 2. For about 3 weeks ago there was a solution to that problem on the old severn (9.0.93). Has anyone a description of howto fix it? Best Regards Bjorn Andersen http://www.linuxin.dk Linux. Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Sep 26 13:24:31 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:24:31 -0500 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional In-Reply-To: <200309252253.49238.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064543752.30792.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252253.49238.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064582671.32363.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 21:53, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 25, 2003 10:35 pm, Gerry Tool Gerry Tool > wrote: > > > Gerry, have a look here: > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102533 > > > > > > Elton ;-) > > > > I read the bug report and it is different. When I click on the KDE > > Desktop Start Here icon which in Gnome contains all the preferences, > > etc., I get no view of anything - just an error dialog. > In that case, we're back at square one with that "malformed URL". The > problem existed before with the Start Here icon in KDE, and now it looks > like it's back again. I guess you might as well file a bug report... filed as #105667 Gerry From megahz at megahz.org Fri Sep 26 13:30:14 2003 From: megahz at megahz.org (Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz)) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:30:14 +0300 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional References: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064543752.30792.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252253.49238.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064582671.32363.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001601c38432$5495a3b0$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> anybody can give me an alternative link to fedora isos because I cannot get a connection or redhat.com's server thanx megahz From lowen at pari.edu Fri Sep 26 13:33:16 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:33:16 -0400 Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: <20030926023404.015c5c79.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> References: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> <200309251527.51048.lowen@pari.edu> <20030926023404.015c5c79.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200309260933.16937.lowen@pari.edu> On Thursday 25 September 2003 20:34, Kai Thomsen wrote: > service iptables save Yes, of course. However, I was trying to illustrate where the config file is; I guess I should have included the shortcut. Oh well. > IP forwarding can be toggled via `redhat-config-proc' (on the second tab > of "Networking -- IP"). On a GUI-less box? If available, ssh X tunneling can help here, but not all have that capability. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Sep 26 13:47:00 2003 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:47:00 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <3F744354.60802@lqt.ca> seth vidal wrote: >On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:15, ByteEnable wrote: > > >>I just installed Beta2 on my Dell Latitude CPx750 without any problems. >>Whats so cool about laptop installs is that you can swap out hard drives >>really easy. I have a hard drive just for this purpose. >> >>Is it me, or is this Beta2 snappier than RH9 ? >> >> >> > >Not just you. >I've noticed it too. > >-sv > > me too - which makes me happy coz rh9 is a bit of a slugger on my machine. pantz From gmaeding at kidspeace.org Fri Sep 26 13:47:46 2003 From: gmaeding at kidspeace.org (Glen Maeding) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:47:46 -0400 Subject: samba 3.0? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064584066.2828.21.camel@gmaeding> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 09:04, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Samba 3.0.0-5rc1 is already in there if you updated everything from > the > redhat-beta-updates channel on RHN. But isn't that release candidate 1 as spelled out '5rc1' at the end of the version line? If you go to this link: http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ You will see that its not versioned as above or even use the 'rc' in it. But then I do not know if Redhat interwine it in a specific way to their distros. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- * -- Glen Maeding * -- MIS Tech @ Kidspeace Inc. * -- Webmaster of MIS-comm, Pdangel.org, and others... * -- E-mail: gmaeding at kidspeace.org * -- Pager e-mail: goik at tmail.com **Note: There's a Critical Security Upgrade available for Microsoft Windows; It's called "Linux" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From chrisw01 at privatei.com Fri Sep 26 13:53:43 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:53:43 -0600 Subject: Nvidia and Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064582280.6335.3.camel@Linux1> References: <1064582280.6335.3.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <1064584423.5962.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 07:18, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > Hi > Im not able to install Nvidia drivers on Fedora Core Test 2. > For about 3 weeks ago there was a solution to that problem on the old > severn (9.0.93). Has anyone a description of howto fix it? > Yes. Do the following: 1. As root, switch to runlevel 3 (init 3). 2. Login again as root. 3. before running the NVidia Installer, set the CC veriable to use gcc32 with the command: export "CC=gcc32" 4. run the NVidia Installer program and let it compile the modules as normal. 5. Update XF86Config as usual (stuff like getting rid of "load dri") 6. Test with startx, but it should be OK. 7. Switch back to runlevel 5 (init 5) 8. You're done! Happily running Severn2 with the latest NVidia drivers with no troubles so far... Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From hp at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 13:55:05 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 26 Sep 2003 09:55:05 -0400 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> Message-ID: <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:57, Philip Wyett wrote: > - Beep when graphical login appears is just bloody annoying, but > I could live with it! :) Idea is to let blind users know when to start typing, IIRC. > - Alot of the apps when started maximised have a problem in the top > right corner of the screen - see: This one is already in bugzilla. > I'll keep my powder dry on Gaim bugs as I think Havoc will soon > rawhide 0.69. Chris Blizzard owns gaim, don't try to load me up with more work. ;-) Havoc From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 26 13:57:55 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:57:55 +0800 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <3F744354.60802@lqt.ca> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> <3F744354.60802@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> >>> Is it me, or is this Beta2 snappier than RH9 ? >> >> Not just you. >> I've noticed it too. >> > me too - which makes me happy coz rh9 is a bit of a slugger on my machine. Any information on what may be behind the performance improvements? Smaller binaries (hence less disk I/O)? More efficient app init (esp GNOME/KDE)? Memory footprint reduction? Compiler changes? (insert other blind guesses here) I'm interested, as much as anything to know whether it actually affects me (long-time XFCE4 user, don't like GNOME/KDE). Craig Ringer From jef at tech-info.qc.ca Fri Sep 26 14:01:06 2003 From: jef at tech-info.qc.ca (jef at tech-info.qc.ca) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Nvidia and Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064582280.6335.3.camel@Linux1> References: <1064582280.6335.3.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <4554.207.162.1.12.1064584866.squirrel@linux.tech-info.qc.ca> > Hi > Im not able to install Nvidia drivers on Fedora Core Test 2. > For about 3 weeks ago there was a solution to that problem on the old > severn (9.0.93). Has anyone a description of howto fix it? > > > > Best Regards > Bjorn Andersen > http://www.linuxin.dk > > Linux. > Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows You only need to do the following command before running the installer: export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 You need the have the kernel-source pkg installed too. From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 26 14:10:34 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:10:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) Message-ID: I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) CPU: 1000MHZ RAM: 256MB Software: OS: WinXP RHL 9 Open office OpenOffice MS Office 2k MS Office 2k Software startup times: WinXP RHL 9 (s) (s) OS bootup 37 70 Login 8 21 Def Browser 1 7 Word 2k 4 6 Open Office 10 21 Def TextEdit 1 3 File Browser 1.5 1.5 Timings are average of 5 launches. Word on linux, suprisingly, is snappier than OpenOffice... Open Office is faster on Windows than linux... Soooo.... do I need to ask? 1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and slower? 2. Is any one at RHL working on desktop performance? These are some of the sugestione that I may need to answe to when I present this and further data to my managers. Gys... what should I say? One of the original sugestions of why to use Linux is that it could buy you longer life on the old hardware... this does not seem to be the case. From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 26 14:13:55 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: samba 3.0? In-Reply-To: <1064584066.2828.21.camel@gmaeding> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Glen Maeding wrote: I installed this allready... guess what? This is strange... now, out of the blue... I can ssh to the box using both the samba password and the unix password! They are different. Does any one have an idea?? ./SLS > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 09:04, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > > Samba 3.0.0-5rc1 is already in there if you updated everything from > > the > > redhat-beta-updates channel on RHN. > > But isn't that release candidate 1 as spelled out '5rc1' at the end of > the version line? If you go to this link: > > http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ > > You will see that its not versioned as above or even use the 'rc' in > it. But then I do not know if Redhat interwine it in a specific way to > their distros. > > > From wiley at nuvox.net Fri Sep 26 14:09:00 2003 From: wiley at nuvox.net (Wiley Wimberly) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:09:00 -0400 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: I installed severn test 2 last night and am trying to use up2date. I keep getting: Problem registering system: Error Message: Your account does not have access to any channels matching (release='0.94' ,arch='i686-redhat-linux') If you have a registration number, please register with it first at http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. Error Class Code: 19 Error Class Info: Architecture and OS Should I be able to use up2date with severn? I am a paid subscriber for rh9. Thanks, Wiley From mingo at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 14:14:05 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: > Software: > > OS: WinXP RHL 9 > Open office OpenOffice > MS Office 2k MS Office 2k you might want to try Fedora Core test2 with prelink active (ie. wait for the first prelink cronjob to do its work after Fedora install). Ingo From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 14:18:14 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:18:14 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> <3F744354.60802@lqt.ca> <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <1064585893.16707.6.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:57, Craig Ringer wrote: > >>> Is it me, or is this Beta2 snappier than RH9 ? > >> > >> Not just you. > >> I've noticed it too. > >> > > me too - which makes me happy coz rh9 is a bit of a slugger on my machine. > > Any information on what may be behind the performance improvements? > > Smaller binaries (hence less disk I/O)? > More efficient app init (esp GNOME/KDE)? > Memory footprint reduction? > Compiler changes? > (insert other blind guesses here) > > I'm interested, as much as anything to know whether it actually affects > me (long-time XFCE4 user, don't like GNOME/KDE). Any gains in interative "feel" between Red Hat Linux 9 and Beta2 are very likely kernel changes. A compiler change that sped everything up 10% would be close to a miracle, and wouldn't have a noticeable effect on most operations. GNOME and KDE have not undergone any fundemental changes since RHL 9 (GNOME 2.2 => GNOME 2.4 is mostly features in individual apps.) Changes in kernel scheduling and VM/IO policy can have quite a noticeable effect on overall feel; unfortunately, a gain in one place may well be a loss somewhere else... it's not something that can be easily quantified and measured. Regards, Owen From veillard at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 14:25:07 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:25:07 -0400 Subject: First problems with Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064581856.32100.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net>; from gstool@earthlink.net on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:10:57AM -0500 References: <01L14EZKY8OI0047DK@rcum.uni-mb.si> <20030926075622.L21529@redhat.com> <1064581856.32100.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030926102507.O21529@redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:10:57AM -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 06:56, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > it's a race condition under load, I managed to reproduce it once only > > but not under debugging conditions, it involves the applet, the Xserver > > and the the panel . I.e. nobody was ever able to debug it and find > > exactly what's happening. Logging in a new session under load or on an > > relatively slow box can generate the problem. > > Added a comment to bug #75225 which is the one that is assigned. My CPU > is an Athlon XP 1800+, 512MB DDR2100 memory, 100GB 7500rpm harddrive, > Radeon 7500, so don't think it is limited to slow machines. well the only time I saw the problem was by loggin on a new session on a second X display :1 running on my 400MHz laptop Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From veillard at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 14:26:51 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:26:51 -0400 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: ; from wiley@nuvox.net on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 10:09:00AM -0400 References: <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <20030926102651.P21529@redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 10:09:00AM -0400, Wiley Wimberly wrote: > I installed severn test 2 last night and am trying to use up2date. I > keep getting: > > Problem registering system: > Error Message: > Your account does not have access to any channels matching > (release='0.94' ,arch='i686-redhat-linux') > If you have a registration number, please register with it first at > http://www.redhat.com/apps/activate/ and then try again. > > Error Class Code: 19 > Error Class Info: Architecture and OS > > Should I be able to use up2date with severn? I am a paid subscriber for > rh9. I think the new Severn beta RHN channel is not yet activated, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Sep 26 14:26:43 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:26:43 +0200 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <1064566616.11769.21.camel@death> References: <1064566616.11769.21.camel@death> Message-ID: <20030926162643.67cfb6f9.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:56:56 +0300, Mikko Paananen wrote: > On 2003-09-26 at 07:36, Tom Diehl wrote: > > > "md5sum /dev/cdrom" The problem with that is that it is possible for it > > to fail and the cd still be good or so I am told. > > That won't usually work, md5sum will try to read past end of the disc, > generate an error and give you wrong checksum. No. It won't, because Tom mentioned DAO mode (Disk-At-Once) where you don't get any run-out sectors at the end of the CD. I think in cdrecord 2.0, it's called SAO mode (Session-At-Once). > You have to read exactly right amount of data, isosize will give the > size of iso9660 filesystem on disc: > > dd count=$[`isosize /dev/cdrom`/2048] bs=2048 if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum - > > (2048 is the block size on cdrom.) There's also the "readcd" utility to read an ISO image. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/dEyj0iMVcrivHFQRAt+vAJ9xHJNOu379Yx9oCQMfP2jw8gsxhwCeKBsg Nr156tcXwTq664uMnrdSpdM= =P3Qm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msf at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 14:51:24 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:51:24 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 05:28, Gene C. wrote: > 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be missing > (bugzilla 105646). > Intentional. We recommend using redhat-config-packages if you have additional software to install not covered by the component groups screen. We're going to a model where everything interesting (as the designer of the comps file deems it) has to be in a component group in the comps file. I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get through the install quickly w/o alot of questions and then use a tool designed for the task (in this case, redhat-config-packages) to complete the operation. You can still turn on individual packages in kickstart as always. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Sep 26 14:51:17 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Gene C. wrote: > 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be missing > (bugzilla 105646). Deliberately removed. See Bug #91716 (which you filed ;-) later, chris From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 14:51:28 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:51:28 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064587888.16707.40.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:10, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) > > CPU: 1000MHZ > RAM: 256MB > > Software: > > OS: WinXP RHL 9 > Open office OpenOffice > MS Office 2k MS Office 2k > > > Software startup times: > WinXP RHL 9 > (s) (s) > OS bootup 37 70 > Login 8 21 > Def Browser 1 7 > Word 2k 4 6 > Open Office 10 21 > Def TextEdit 1 3 > File Browser 1.5 1.5 > > Timings are average of 5 launches. Word on linux, suprisingly, is snappier > than OpenOffice... Open Office is faster on Windows than linux... > > Soooo.... do I need to ask? > > 1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and > slower? Speed and size are really just one aspect of a piece of software. If you want software to be small / go fast bad enough, you can usually achieve that. With a cost in: - Time spent on the task - Sacrificed features - Maintainability The question really should never be "how fast is the software" but "is it fast enough". Faster is better, of course, all thngs being equal. But you can't forget the cost. It's always easier to make well written software run fast than to take badly written fast software and make it well written. I think there is a lot of things that can be done to improve desktop performance on Linux. Since it's Open Source, there are also lots of people to do that. > 2. Is any one at RHL working on desktop performance? At RHL? RHL is a product, not a place. :-) Desktop performance is an *interest* of a number of people at Red Hat, including myself. Most of whom, however, are pretty heavily scheduled elsewhere. We certainly don't have a dedicated team of people on that task. One thing I hope to do over the next several months is to write up a project list for experiments and measurements relating to desktop performance and get that up on the Fedora web page. > These are some of the sugestione that I may need to answe to when I > present this and further data to my managers. Gys... what should I say? Well, if OS and app startup time are your only criteria, then you have clear data for those two particular operating versions. I would imagine that things like: - Cost - Control - Security - Stability - Features - Usability - Performance when running (how often do you reboot a day?) Would also figure into the picture. > One of the original sugestions of why to use Linux is that it could buy > you longer life on the old hardware... this does not seem to be the case. I don't think it's ever been a terribly realistic claim for office desktop use. It does tend to be true for server applications ... a lot of servers can be run on basically nothing for hardware. It also can be true for "Kiosk" type applications... some of the alternative desktops (Xfce, say) can be quite light. But if you need to run OpenOffice, then the savings there are probably irrelevant. The main reason Linux is good for old/slow hardware is the control and flexibility it gives people doing configuration, not that we have some magic "do more with less" bullet. Regards, Owen From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Fri Sep 26 14:52:21 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:52:21 +0200 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? In-Reply-To: <1064547129.2077.2.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: Message-ID: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> Hi Mike, > Besides, your not testing the beta properly while upgrading from one > beta to another. That might be true, but I am syncing my package tree with the ftp version of severn and then rawhide and upgrade from there. When I still had cable I didn't mind downloading a lot if ISO's, but on a 256Kb line it takes about 7 hours to download 1 ISO. It would probably even be faster to reconstruct the ISO's myself if I felt like it. Which makes me think, is there an lslR of the ISO images available somewhere? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From czar at czarc.net Fri Sep 26 14:59:49 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 26 September 2003 10:51, Michael Fulbright wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 05:28, Gene C. wrote: > > 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be > > missing (bugzilla 105646). > > Intentional. We recommend using redhat-config-packages if you have > additional software to install not covered by the component groups > screen. We're going to a model where everything interesting (as the > designer of the comps file deems it) has to be in a component group in > the comps file. I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get > through the install quickly w/o alot of questions and then use a tool > designed for the task (in this case, redhat-config-packages) to complete > the operation. > > You can still turn on individual packages in kickstart as always. OK, I like the option at install time but doing it post install should be OK too. However, this "change" should be mentioned in the RELEASE-NOTES which it does not appear to be (at least where I looked under installation). It might also be nice if there was an option under firstboot to take invoke the package installer to do this. -- Gene From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Fri Sep 26 15:00:09 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:00:09 +0200 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: References: <200309260029.55892.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F747099.1851.5EBDA6@localhost> Hello Tom, > "md5sum /dev/cdrom" Never realized it could be as easy as that :). I usually do a dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum . Difference when using dd is that you could also specify a bs and count which will avoid errors about sectors not found at the end of the disk. > The problem with that is that it is possible for it to > fail and the cd still be good or so I am told. Why would that be? Were you told that as well? The above mentioned errors should not cause md5sum to produce a wrong result. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From czar at czarc.net Fri Sep 26 15:02:01 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:02:01 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <200309261102.01530.czar@czarc.net> On Friday 26 September 2003 10:51, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Gene C. wrote: > > 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be > > missing (bugzilla 105646). > > Deliberately removed. See Bug #91716 (which you filed ;-) Mmmm ... my memory is very short term only it seems -- Gene From msf at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 15:04:08 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:04:08 -0400 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 20:02, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > - Nice cursors in anaconda, although there was a pretty ugly > standard-X11-black&white one for a while. Also during package > install it was an arrow instead of some "I'm doing stuff" cursor, which is > probably wrong. Will bugzilla in the morning :-) This is known and I'm not sure we're going to fix it. Its sortof nasty. Go ahead and and file it, maybe we've think of something clever to deal with it. > Ethernet config stuff in the anaconda doesn't allow the IP-less > config used by PPPoE that redhat-config-network does. You need to either > give it an IP or tell it to use DHCP. Not sure what the best way to fix this > is, maybe network configuration could be done in > firstboot+redhat-config-network, not anaconda? > Option #2. Though what you're asking for might not be too hard to do. I'd like to change the networking configuration in anaconda to like it used to be pre-7 I think, ie. you only configure the network devices required to do the install. If you do a CD install you don't get asked to configure networking at all. I think this makes more sense to be something you do on firstboot. That way you can use the tool we've designed specifically for the task, not a 1000 line python tool we hacked into anaconda. Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to make anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot and run redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software you want. That way we could put all our effort into that tool which you will use many times, instead of the installer which you use once every many many months. > And now it's time for some sleep, too unconscious to do any understandable > bug reports at this point ;-) Sleep is for the dead - keep testing !! Seriously thanks for the feedback it really makes a difference. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 26 15:05:19 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:05:19 +0800 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064585893.16707.6.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> <3F744354.60802@lqt.ca> <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> <1064585893.16707.6.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7455AF.5090208@postnewspapers.com.au> >>Any information on what may be behind the performance improvements? >>[snip] >>I'm interested, as much as anything to know whether it actually affects >>me (long-time XFCE4 user, don't like GNOME/KDE). > > Any gains in interative "feel" between Red Hat Linux 9 and Beta2 are > very likely kernel changes. A compiler change that sped everything up > 10% would be close to a miracle, and wouldn't have a noticeable > effect on most operations. [snip] Thanks for the info. I was rather curious, and appreciate the response. BTW, I've noticed quite apalling performance penalties on all my machines that appear to stem from freetype/xft2. Setting GDK_USE_XFT=0 can in many cases massively increase the percieved responsiveness of apps. It appears to be text rendering - while text can be very slow, image handling in, say, the GIMP remains as snappy as ever. Switching back to a virtual desktop (well, view anyway) with a maximised mozilla is a good way to tell - you can watch it (quickly) redraw. Disabling xft2 support in mozilla makes it too fast to see. I've observed the issue in RH8, RH9, and the new beta. It happens on both local and network X11, with varying video chipsets, resolutions, and X server configurations. I see issues with all sorts of machines - a Pentium 133 thin client (S3 Trio), a 300MHz PC-104 NSC Geode (NSC video), my home Athlon XP 1.5GHz (NVidia GeForce4-4200 with NVidia.com drivers), and the Dual Xeon 2.4GHz (ATi Rage XL) I use at work. When you can watch the different parts of the mozilla window redraw (albeit quickly) on a dual Xeon, it strikes me that something is a bit funny. What really bought it home, though, was doing a 'find /' in a full-screen gnome-terminal with GDK_USE_XFT=1, and comparing it to the time taken in a full-screen xterm. I expect performance penalties from AA fonts, but it _doubled_ the time taken to list the entire tree. I'd done a 'find / >&/dev/null' before each to make sure the directory tree was cached, and as I have 750MB of RAM I'd say it fit ;-) . Setting GDK_USE_XFT=0 and using gnome-terminal resulted in an intermediate result, but somewhat closer to the AA gnome-terminal than the xterm. Sorry, I don't have the exact numbers on hand but can come up with them again quickly (ish) if needed. I've ended up disabling the use of XFT2 and freetype where possible on my LTSP server at work, to keep the client machines (P133s with 32Mb of RAM) reasonably responsive. These machines are fairly snappy normally - with an 800x600 display - but become quite sluggish when using things like the xft2-enabled mozilla builds, or even displaying _menus_ in gtk2 apps when xft2 is being used. OpenOffice also appears to suffer, as do qt3 applications. Note that I've tried XFree86 4.3 and didn't notice much, if any, improvement in performance with text handling. So - any idea why the performance hit with the use of XFT2/freetype is so large? Any ideas on how to address the issue - or plans for fixing it? Craig Ringer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 26 15:09:36 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:09:36 +0800 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7456B0.4090708@postnewspapers.com.au> >>1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be missing >>(bugzilla 105646). > > Intentional. We recommend using redhat-config-packages if you have > additional software to install not covered by the component groups > screen. We're going to a model where everything interesting (as the > designer of the comps file deems it) has to be in a component group in > the comps file. I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get > through the install quickly w/o alot of questions and then use a tool > designed for the task (in this case, redhat-config-packages) to complete > the operation. This strikes me as sensible. I've seen people installing Red Hat go through a detailed package selection, taking over half an hour to get everything "just right", then have the install fail due to a hardware issue. Since the Red Hat installer doesn't appear to be able to pick up from where it left off (say, look for a precreated kickstart file on the disk and resume the install?), it's probably best to defer detailed package selection to a post-install task. Craig Ringer From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Sep 26 15:09:46 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:09:46 -0500 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional In-Reply-To: <001601c38432$5495a3b0$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> References: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064543752.30792.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252253.49238.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064582671.32363.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <001601c38432$5495a3b0$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> Message-ID: <1064588985.32506.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 08:30, Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz) wrote: > anybody can give me an alternative link to fedora isos because I cannot get > a connection or redhat.com's server > Visit http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html and select any mirror. One that worked great for me yesterday was ftp.tu-chemnitz.de in Germany (from U.S.) Gerry From msf at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 15:10:35 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:10:35 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <1064589035.18654.25.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:59, Gene C. wrote: > OK, I like the option at install time but doing it post install should be OK > too. However, this "change" should be mentioned in the RELEASE-NOTES which > it does not appear to be (at least where I looked under installation). > We will do that. > It might also be nice if there was an option under firstboot to take invoke > the package installer to do this. I think on the 'Install Additional Software' screen which we already have this could be done somewhat cleanly. I'll ask Brent about it. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From nmarsh1 at mac.com Fri Sep 26 15:11:37 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nick Marsh) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:11:37 -0500 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) Message-ID: <5196807.1064589097384.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> I'm not sure how this is on topic, but I would like to mention that OpenOffice.org 1.1 is much faser than 1.0. I hope it makes it into the next Fedora beta. nick marsh nmarsh1 at mac.com From thacker at math.cornell.edu Fri Sep 26 15:15:29 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:15:29 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org> > On Friday 26 September 2003 10:51, Michael Fulbright wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 05:28, Gene C. wrote: > > > 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be > > > missing (bugzilla 105646). > > > > Intentional. We recommend using redhat-config-packages if you have > > additional software to install not covered by the component groups > > screen. We're going to a model where everything interesting (as the > > designer of the comps file deems it) has to be in a component group in > > the comps file. I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get > > through the install quickly w/o alot of questions and then use a tool > > designed for the task (in this case, redhat-config-packages) to complete > > the operation. This would be fine except that, after an upgrade from RHL 9, redhat-config-packges still seems to think that RHL 9 is installed instead of Fedora Core 0.94. That is, the packages and groups it lists as choices to add are still those of RHL 9, including removed packages like LPRng. (This also leads to things like package groups being listed as "not installed" due to the removal of packages like libunicode-devel.) John Thacker From ba at linuxin.dk Fri Sep 26 15:16:13 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:16:13 +0200 Subject: Nvidia and Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064584423.5962.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1064582280.6335.3.camel@Linux1> <1064584423.5962.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1064589373.6335.5.camel@Linux1> Thanks.. Cheers Bjorn Andersen On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:53, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 07:18, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > > Hi > > Im not able to install Nvidia drivers on Fedora Core Test 2. > > For about 3 weeks ago there was a solution to that problem on the old > > severn (9.0.93). Has anyone a description of howto fix it? > > > > Yes. Do the following: > > 1. As root, switch to runlevel 3 (init 3). > 2. Login again as root. > 3. before running the NVidia Installer, set the CC veriable to use > gcc32 with the command: export "CC=gcc32" > 4. run the NVidia Installer program and let it compile the modules > as normal. > 5. Update XF86Config as usual (stuff like getting rid of "load > dri") > 6. Test with startx, but it should be OK. > 7. Switch back to runlevel 5 (init 5) > 8. You're done! > > Happily running Severn2 with the latest NVidia drivers with no troubles > so far... > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ==================================== > "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, > try orderin' someone else's dog around." > --Cowboy Wisdom > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Bjorn Andersen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Sep 26 15:16:03 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:16:03 +0100 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309261616.03527.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 26 September 2003 16:04, Michael Fulbright wrote: > Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to > make anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot > and run redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software > you want. That way we could put all our effort into that tool which > you will use many times, instead of the installer which you use > once every many many months. This would seriously rock, don't give up cheerleading it. The whole worship of the installer god seems to me a false religion. On a similar subject, it looks like Fedora beta 2 bring up X once for the boot progress display and again as a result of runlevel 5? Nice if you could see that X was up and inherit it somehow. -Andy From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Sep 26 15:17:53 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <3F747099.1851.5EBDA6@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello Tom, > > > "md5sum /dev/cdrom" > > > The problem with that is that it is possible for it to > > fail and the cd still be good or so I am told. > > Why would that be? Were you told that as well? The above mentioned errors > should not cause md5sum to produce a wrong result. i'm pretty sure i have had perfectly good CDs produce a bad MD5 sum when running the above command. note -- i didn't say their ISO image files would produce a bad MD5 sum, just running "md5sum" against the burned CD in the drive. is it possible that there would be extraneous junk at the tail end of the CD that would throw off the checksum? rday From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 26 15:18:30 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:18:30 +0800 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1064587888.16707.40.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064587888.16707.40.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7458C6.5090905@postnewspapers.com.au> >>2. Is any one at RHL working on desktop performance? > > One thing I hope to do over the next several months is to write > up a project list for experiments and measurements relating to > desktop performance and get that up on the Fedora web page. I, for one, would be interested in seeing something like that. I'm not sure how much I could help out, but even if it were just the "boring stuff" - testing changes on a bunch of different hardware - I'd be game to do what I could. Time permitting, of course - a sysadmin's job is never done :-/ >>One of the original sugestions of why to use Linux is that it could buy >>you longer life on the old hardware... this does not seem to be the case. > > I don't think it's ever been a terribly realistic claim for office > desktop use. It does tend to be true for server applications ... > a lot of servers can be run on basically nothing for hardware. Another area where it's remarkably true is moving your existing desktops into thin client roles. Sure, you can do it with other OSes as well, but it's a lot less fuss to have a simple netbooted OS that only does just enough to get an X server going. The alternative is usually a full OS just for RDP/ICA or a custom cut-down OS build (at a pretty steep price) to do the dedicated thin client job. > It also can be true for "Kiosk" type applications... some of the > alternative desktops (Xfce, say) can be quite light. Hooray :-) I'm using XFCE4 in production (and have been for some time - sure, it was pre-release, but it was more stable than half the other stuff out there and fit our needs perfectly), and can't be positive enough about it, especially for uses like thin clients and "low functionality" desktops. > But if you > need to run OpenOffice, then the savings there are probably > irrelevant. You'd be surprised, at least in the case of thin clients. The GUI of something like GNOME or KDE has a much bigger performance impact on a thin client than an app like OpenOffice, at least in my experience. I initially tried out GNOME for our terminals, but found the performance hit to be quite significant - especially login time. Of course, for simple thin clients there are other issues with GNOME and KEE - central configuration and management, ability to handle the "user == drooling moron" case without breaking, etc. Craig Ringer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 26 15:22:38 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:22:38 +0800 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <200309261616.03527.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <200309261616.03527.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <3F7459BE.2000805@postnewspapers.com.au> >>Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to >>make anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot >>and run redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software >>you want. That way we could put all our effort into that tool which >>you will use many times, instead of the installer which you use >>once every many many months. > > This would seriously rock, don't give up cheerleading it. The whole > worship of the installer god seems to me a false religion. Absolutely. Stuff the do-it-once install - the use-it-forever management tools are rather more critical, and when you can avoid duplication of effort as well (eg package management and installation), it's really win-win. That need not mean an overly cut-down, hard to use intaller - only a minimalistic one that need not discover, say, if you have a DVD burner or sound card when it will never need those things to do it's job. The number of times I've wished the RH installer could partition the HDD, dump a copy of it's self on the disk, write an MBR and reboot... Craig Ringer From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Sep 26 15:26:31 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:26:31 -0700 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064589990.3f745aa70273e@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> Michael Fulbright wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 20:02, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > [snip] > > Option #2. Though what you're asking for might not be too hard to do. > > I'd like to change the networking configuration in anaconda to like it > used to be pre-7 I think, ie. you only configure the network devices > required to do the install. If you do a CD install you don't get asked > to configure networking at all. I think this makes more sense to be > something you do on firstboot. That way you can use the tool we've > designed specifically for the task, not a 1000 line python tool we > hacked into anaconda. casting my vote for this option (having only network config needed for installdone by anaconda), see below > Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to make > anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot and run > redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software you want. > That way we could put all our effort into that tool which you will use > many times, instead of the installer which you use once every many many > months. I like this idea, it gives you a functional (booting) system faster. In the event that you have a machine with problematic hardware, or some part of the boot stuff didn't install right, you don't have to wait for a bunch of extra software to be installed to find out. And you have less stuff to be suspicious of. Is there an RFE for this in bugzilla? Does the RH bugzilla iste have voting enabled? Since this is Fedora Core, is this mailing list the best place for the community to decide the direction? From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Sep 26 15:20:01 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:20:01 +0200 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <200309261102.01530.czar@czarc.net> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <200309261102.01530.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20030926172001.76baf8f9.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:02:01 -0400, Gene C. wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2003 10:51, Chris Ricker wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Gene C. wrote: > > > 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be > > > missing (bugzilla 105646). > > > > Deliberately removed. See Bug #91716 (which you filed ;-) > > Mmmm ... my memory is very short term only it seems Clicking the "my bugs" link at the bottom of the bugzilla screen might help. You just need to be logged in. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/dFkh0iMVcrivHFQRAg3iAJ9uzSjCXk/rjG2dgSzsoxCTcQcArQCfY756 WV12lNQEyBxBxFDZzZWJozw= =45zz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Fri Sep 26 15:48:24 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:48:24 -0500 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:10, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) > > CPU: 1000MHZ > RAM: 256MB > > Software: > > OS: WinXP RHL 9 > Open office OpenOffice > MS Office 2k MS Office 2k > > > Software startup times: > WinXP RHL 9 > (s) (s) > OS bootup 37 70 > Login 8 21 > Def Browser 1 7 > Word 2k 4 6 > Open Office 10 21 > Def TextEdit 1 3 > File Browser 1.5 1.5 > > Timings are average of 5 launches. Word on linux, suprisingly, is snappier > than OpenOffice... Open Office is faster on Windows than linux... > > Soooo.... do I need to ask? > > 1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and > slower? > > 2. Is any one at RHL working on desktop performance? > > These are some of the sugestione that I may need to answe to when I > present this and further data to my managers. Gys... what should I say? > > One of the original sugestions of why to use Linux is that it could buy > you longer life on the old hardware... this does not seem to be the case. > I believe that Microsoft preloads some of the office code during login/startup. This same same complaint, "it takes so long to load word", was leveled at MS years ago. Robert Thomas From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 15:53:38 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <3F7455AF.5090208@postnewspapers.com.au> from "Craig Ringer" at Med 26, 2003 11:05:19 Message-ID: <200309261553.h8QFrcK32238@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > So - any idea why the performance hit with the use of XFT2/freetype is > so large? Any ideas on how to address the issue - or plans for fixing it? >From the profiling I tried its the Xserver - render acceleration is not accelerated. With some cards switching off acceleration using the vesa server with shadowfb actualyl speeds stuff up From alan at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 15:55:01 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064585893.16707.6.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> from "Owen Taylor" at Med 26, 2003 10:18:14 Message-ID: <200309261555.h8QFt1i00668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > GNOME and KDE have not undergone any fundemental changes since RHL 9 > (GNOME 2.2 => GNOME 2.4 is mostly features in individual apps.) 2.2->2.4 removed a DNS lookup from several bits of gnome startup From bfox at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 15:57:20 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:57:20 -0400 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <1064589990.3f745aa70273e@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064589990.3f745aa70273e@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <1064591840.6968.25.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 11:26, Justin Georgeson wrote: > Michael Fulbright wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 20:02, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > Option #2. Though what you're asking for might not be too hard to do. > > > > I'd like to change the networking configuration in anaconda to like it > > used to be pre-7 I think, ie. you only configure the network devices > > required to do the install. If you do a CD install you don't get asked > > to configure networking at all. I think this makes more sense to be > > something you do on firstboot. That way you can use the tool we've > > designed specifically for the task, not a 1000 line python tool we > > hacked into anaconda. > > casting my vote for this option (having only network config needed for > installdone by anaconda), see below > > > Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to make > > anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot and run > > redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software you want. > > That way we could put all our effort into that tool which you will use > > many times, instead of the installer which you use once every many many > > months. > > I like this idea, it gives you a functional (booting) system faster. In the > event that you have a machine with problematic hardware, or some part of the > boot stuff didn't install right, you don't have to wait for a bunch of extra > software to be installed to find out. And you have less stuff to be suspicious > of. Is there an RFE for this in bugzilla? Does the RH bugzilla iste have voting > enabled? Since this is Fedora Core, is this mailing list the best place for the > community to decide the direction? If you go back and look at anaconda and firstboot since RHL 8.0 and onwards, we've been moving in this direction for over a year. The idea is to have a smaller installer and modular config tools that can be plugged into the firstboot framework in addition to being used as standalone apps after installation. Anaconda is a pretty complicated piece of software, so the kind of changes we're talking about takes time. Hopefully with Fedora we can move a little faster than we have in the past but it will probably take us another release or so to get to what msf is describing. Cheers, Brent From blizzard at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 15:57:14 2003 From: blizzard at redhat.com (Christopher Blizzard) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:57:14 -0400 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <3F7461DA.9090904@redhat.com> Havoc Pennington wrote: >>I'll keep my powder dry on Gaim bugs as I think Havoc will soon >>rawhide 0.69. > > > Chris Blizzard owns gaim, don't try to load me up with more work. ;-) I'm waiting to see what's in the changelog for 0.69. I see a tar.gz file up in the download section, but very little other information. 0.68 _is_ in the tree, waiting to be pushed to the public. --Chris From mingo at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 15:58:35 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: > Timings are average of 5 launches. [...] q: were these 5 launches done without reboots inbetween (ie. cached startup)? Ingo From tdiehl at rogueind.com Fri Sep 26 16:04:59 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: <3F747099.1851.5EBDA6@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello Tom, > > > "md5sum /dev/cdrom" > > Never realized it could be as easy as that :). I usually do a > dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum > . Difference when using dd is that you could also specify a bs and count > which will avoid errors about sectors not found at the end of the disk. > > > The problem with that is that it is possible for it to > > fail and the cd still be good or so I am told. > > Why would that be? Were you told that as well? The above mentioned errors > should not cause md5sum to produce a wrong result. The image is good but the cd has garbage on the back end. It is one of those things that if the md5sum is good than all is well if it is bad then it might still be good. :-) HTH, -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From mitch at metauser.net Fri Sep 26 16:09:15 2003 From: mitch at metauser.net (Mitch Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:09:15 -0600 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064592555.4940.1.camel@twoface> > I'd like to change the networking configuration in anaconda to like it > used to be pre-7 I think, ie. you only configure the network devices > required to do the install. If you do a CD install you don't get asked > to configure networking at all. I think this makes more sense to be > something you do on firstboot. That way you can use the tool we've > designed specifically for the task, not a 1000 line python tool we > hacked into anaconda. > > Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to make > anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot and run > redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software you want. > That way we could put all our effort into that tool which you will use > many times, instead of the installer which you use once every many many > months. I like that, for whatever its worth, I vote for anaconda to work like that. Mitch From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 16:36:31 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:36:31 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <200309261553.h8QFrcK32238@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309261553.h8QFrcK32238@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064594191.16707.53.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 11:53, Alan Cox wrote: > > So - any idea why the performance hit with the use of XFT2/freetype is > > so large? Any ideas on how to address the issue - or plans for fixing it? > > >From the profiling I tried its the Xserver - render acceleration is not > accelerated. With some cards switching off acceleration using the vesa > server with shadowfb actualyl speeds stuff up Another odd thing that can help performance in some cases is to disable putting pixmaps in video ram .. (I forget the exact Xaa option for the XFree86Config.) It probably won't help the desktop as a whole, you lose in some places what you gain in others, but it will make AA text rendering significantly faster on most cards. Regards, Owen From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Fri Sep 26 16:36:01 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:36:01 +0200 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: References: <3F747099.1851.5EBDA6@localhost> Message-ID: <3F748711.1812.B686F7@localhost> Hello Robert, > > > "md5sum /dev/cdrom" > i'm pretty sure i have had perfectly good CDs produce a bad MD5 sum > when running the above command. > > is it possible that there would be extraneous junk at the tail end > of the CD that would throw off the checksum? Maybe the error output also gets used in the checksum generation. As said, I use dd | md5sum for this. In that case I get correct checksums even if I do not specify a bs and count and see I/O errors. Probably because the error output does not get piped to md5sum. Ok, I did a test of md5sum /dev/cdrom[1] on both my cd-player and cd- writer. I get a correct result with the writer, and no result due to an I/O error with the player (ie it chokes at the end of the disk, dd with no count works fine). Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 16:38:33 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:38:33 -0400 Subject: Updated Fedora Core test release: Severn In-Reply-To: <20030925143918.A2519@devserv.devel.redhat.com>; from notting@redhat.com on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 02:39:18PM -0400 References: <20030925143918.A2519@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030926123833.A19640@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 02:39:18PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Technical note: There are some issues with the SMP kernel; on > SMP machines after installation, you may need to boot the > uniprocessor kernel for stability. We'll have a fixed kernel > in the next day or three; please update as soon as one > is available. Until a rawhide/RHN push is available, you can download a kernel which appears to be fixed at http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/severn It's a yum repository as well. Report any problems via bugzilla, as usual. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Sep 26 16:40:48 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Tom Diehl wrote: > The image is good but the cd has garbage on the back end. It is one of those > things that if the md5sum is good than all is well if it is bad then it might > still be good. :-) i think the trick is to checksum the ISO image as a file if you can, before you burn it to CD. rday From rjohnson at medata.com Fri Sep 26 16:42:09 2003 From: rjohnson at medata.com (Rick Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:42:09 -0700 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> References: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> Message-ID: <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> ByteEnable wrote: >>1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and >>slower? >> >>2. Is any one at RHL working on desktop performance? >> >>These are some of the sugestione that I may need to answe to when I >>present this and further data to my managers. Gys... what should I say? One question I've always had is why Red Hat still compiles for i386 (march=i386 mcpu=i686 - ok, so they get i686 instruction ordering)? Once upon a time, I rebuilt my entire RH 7.3 tree and a good portion of my RH 8.0 tree for i686 and/or athlon. I've also run Gentoo, compiled for Athlon XP, which isn't as solid of a comparison, but is still a "Linux" general comparison. In both Red Hat cases, there was an appreciable difference, especially in X GUI "redraw" speed and application start times. This was without prelinking. With prelinking and compiler optimizations, it may be possible to bring these speeds much closer to the "other brand" on the comparison. Not to pit distros, but Mandrake compiles for i586 by default, though they don't really give out any i686 or athlon specific packages (last I checked). Given that Red Hat's minimum specd hardware is a Pentium class machine with 64MB for text, and a PII 400 with 128MB more more for GUI use, what would we have to lose by changing the default to compile as march=i586 and mcpu=i686, or providing i686 versions of core components of XFree86? I'm sure it "throws out" the few who like to build the distro for 386 and 486 machines, but I feel the majority would benefit and the minority could simply rebuild the SRPMs for i386 for their specific application (would be a handful of packages at best since those types of machiens probably wouldn't be running full-blown Gnome or KDE desktops, but perhaps browser kiosks at best. Thoughts? -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - rjohnson at medata.com Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. (from home) PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc From hosting at j2solutions.net Fri Sep 26 16:48:58 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:48:58 -0700 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> References: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> Message-ID: <200309260948.58701.hosting@j2solutions.net> On Friday 26 September 2003 09:42, Rick Johnson wrote: > Not to pit distros, but Mandrake compiles for i586 by default, though > they don't really give out any i686 or athlon specific packages (last > I checked). Given that Red Hat's minimum specd hardware is a Pentium > class machine with 64MB for text, and a PII 400 with 128MB more more > for GUI use, what would we have to lose by changing the default to > compile as march=i586 and mcpu=i686, or providing i686 versions of > core components of XFree86? I'm sure it "throws out" the few who like > to build the distro for 386 and 486 machines, but I feel the majority > would benefit and the minority could simply rebuild the SRPMs for > i386 for their specific application (would be a handful of packages > at best since those types of machiens probably wouldn't be running > full-blown Gnome or KDE desktops, but perhaps browser kiosks at best. This has been hashed many times, specifically on the severn list. BTW, compiling for i586, while not using i586 processors, will actually hurt more than help. i586 optimized software will run WORSE on i686 platforms than i386 optimized software will. It has to do w/ the differences of the i586 platform. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 16:54:08 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Rick Johnson wrote: > One question I've always had is why Red Hat still compiles for i386 > (march=i386 mcpu=i686 - ok, so they get i686 instruction ordering)? Once > upon a time, I rebuilt my entire RH 7.3 tree and a good portion of my RH > 8.0 tree for i686 and/or athlon. I've also run Gentoo, compiled for > Athlon XP, which isn't as solid of a comparison, but is still a "Linux" > general comparison. In both Red Hat cases, there was an appreciable > difference, especially in X GUI "redraw" speed and application start > times. The general consensus has been that this is the placebo effect in action. Especially given the fact that glibc already has an i686 variant, and that objective, precise benchmarks are in short supply, it might be valuable to first answer the question of what performance changes different compiler options really provide. -- Elliot Individualists, unite! From joe at tmsusa.com Fri Sep 26 17:06:46 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:06:46 -0700 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F747226.8010509@tmsusa.com> Stephan Schutter wrote: >I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) > >CPU: 1000MHZ >RAM: 256MB > >Software: > >OS: WinXP RHL 9 > Open office OpenOffice > MS Office 2k MS Office 2k > > >Software startup times: > WinXP RHL 9 > (s) (s) >OS bootup 37 70 >Login 8 21 > This suggests problems with your setup - just for giggles I checked my celeron 1200 and it took all of 8 seconds from login to fully populated desktop including gkrellm - >Def Browser 1 7 > OK, close, it took 6 seconds for moz to come up for me - but moz has never been about quick startup. >Word 2k 4 6 >Open Office 10 21 > oo is slow indeed, and is my main complaint - but I hear SO7 et al are much faster at startup >Def TextEdit 1 3 > took 1 second here Your system may need the standard tweaks, the long login time especially suggests basic configuration issues. > >1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and >slower? > In most cases it is neither fatter nor slower - one might well ask why, if windows nt/2k is so efficient, why can it not even boot up on a low end system which could be used to run a website, or a firewall/dns/dhcp/vpn/router box with linux? on the other hand, desktop apps are microsoft's forte, and have been their focus for many years - you find it suprising that one of the wealthiest and most fanatically driven corporations has been able to make their desktop apps snappy? One thing that people fail to realize is that X11 is fairly heavyweight - it's a complex and sophisticated client/server, network-transparent windowing system, whereas on windows you have a simple pc gui: single-user, and local-only. you're not really comparing apples to apples. Even so, linux desktop performance is not bad, apart from pathological cases like yours - and is getting better. Just as all the server room shortcomings were addressed, so now the desktop shortcomings are being addressed. As to your question on whether "anyone at redhat" is interested in performance, I'll let them speak to that. Joe From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Fri Sep 26 17:12:42 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:12:42 +0200 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F748FAA.20326.D81E04@localhost> Hello Michael, > We recommend using redhat-config-packages if you have > additional software to install not covered by the component groups > screen. It would be nice if those config utils would run in a console. I think many servers do not run X in the first place. > I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get > through the install quickly w/o alot of questions Individual package selection has always been an option that was skipped by default. So speed of installation has nothing to do with deleting this functionality. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From smoogen at lanl.gov Fri Sep 26 17:13:44 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:13:44 -0600 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> References: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> Message-ID: <1064596424.22779.41.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:42, Rick Johnson wrote: > ByteEnable wrote: > > >>1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and > >>slower? > >> > >>2. Is any one at RHL working on desktop performance? > >> > >>These are some of the sugestione that I may need to answe to when I > >>present this and further data to my managers. Gys... what should I say? > > One question I've always had is why Red Hat still compiles for i386 > (march=i386 mcpu=i686 - ok, so they get i686 instruction ordering)? Once > upon a time, I rebuilt my entire RH 7.3 tree and a good portion of my RH > 8.0 tree for i686 and/or athlon. I've also run Gentoo, compiled for > Athlon XP, which isn't as solid of a comparison, but is still a "Linux" > general comparison. In both Red Hat cases, there was an appreciable I have also put Gentoo banners on a Red Hat machine and had some students say it felt so much faster than that Red Hat machine they were using last week. It is hard to find out where psychological feelings (red cars are faster than green cars) and real factors come into play. > Not to pit distros, but Mandrake compiles for i586 by default, though > they don't really give out any i686 or athlon specific packages (last I > checked). Given that Red Hat's minimum specd hardware is a Pentium class > machine with 64MB for text, and a PII 400 with 128MB more more for GUI > use, what would we have to lose by changing the default to compile as > march=i586 and mcpu=i686, or providing i686 versions of core components You would be losing as much as 40% performance on non i586 machines with certain operations. One of the things that you have to be careful with optimizations is that you may also find that chipset runs may effect your optimizations as anything. Anecdotal story from around here, compiling for the cpu found that what was thought to be identical PIII had radical differences in speeds. The PIII turned out to be from different runs or something and that optimizing for the CPU on the earlier PIII resulted in much slower code but slightly faster on the newer PIII. The cluster people decided to just stick with i386 compiles and found that the code ran well throughout the system. Again this is an anecdotal story from around the lunch table... could be bs. > > of XFree86? I'm sure it "throws out" the few who like to build the > distro for 386 and 486 machines, but I feel the majority would benefit > and the minority could simply rebuild the SRPMs for i386 for their > specific application (would be a handful of packages at best since those > types of machiens probably wouldn't be running full-blown Gnome or KDE > desktops, but perhaps browser kiosks at best. > > Thoughts? > -Rick -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Fri Sep 26 17:16:21 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:16:21 +0200 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F749085.17471.DB774C@localhost> Hello Chris, > Deliberately removed. See Bug #91716 (which you filed ;-) Is this the correct bug number? I am not authorized to access this bug... Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From fedora at puzzled.xs4all.nl Fri Sep 26 17:33:30 2003 From: fedora at puzzled.xs4all.nl (Patrick) Date: 26 Sep 2003 19:33:30 +0200 Subject: XFree86 weirdness: no neomagic but fb? Message-ID: <1064597610.4639.15.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> Hi, Laptop is a Toshiba Tecra 8000 which works fine on RH9 at 1024x768, 24bpp with the neomagic driver straight out of the box. Just installed beta2 (clean install). During install, the process would not get me 1024x768, 24bpp but something completely ugly. I changed the /etc/X11/XF86Config to contain imho valid entries: neomagic driver, 1024x768 resolution, 24 bit depth. When it starts up it seems like it is doing the right thing but then throttles back to a lower quality: the cross pointer gets all jagged, fonts look terrible etc. It shows in /var/log/XFree86.0.log that it uses the fb driver and *not* the neomagic driver. The resulting screen looks pretty bad. This seems b0rked to me. Running redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig and select different combinations does not make a difference. Any ideas how to fix this? TIA, Patrick From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Sep 26 17:27:14 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <3F749085.17471.DB774C@localhost> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <3F749085.17471.DB774C@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello Chris, > > > Deliberately removed. See Bug #91716 (which you filed ;-) > > Is this the correct bug number? I am not authorized to access this bug... It's correct. Unfortunately, that bug is only accessible by RH and RH's beta team (see ), which I hadn't noticed or I wouldn't have mentioned it here. Sorry about the confusion. later, chris From johnsonm at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 17:30:58 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:30:58 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au>; from craig@postnewspapers.com.au on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:57:55PM +0800 References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> <3F744354.60802@lqt.ca> <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <20030926133058.C19640@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:57:55PM +0800, Craig Ringer wrote: > >>> Is it me, or is this Beta2 snappier than RH9 ? > >> > >> Not just you. > >> I've noticed it too. > >> > > me too - which makes me happy coz rh9 is a bit of a slugger on my machine. > > Any information on what may be behind the performance improvements? One possibility, especially if you were comparing to an up2date kernel from test1 (only a week's worth of changes, basically), would be that the scheduler interactivity changes that were just accepted into Linus's tree in the 2.6.0-test kernels were backported. (A think-o in that backport is what caused the SMP instability and has now been fixed in the packages at http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/severn/) We at least think we can really notice the difference. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From martin at osprog.net Fri Sep 26 17:38:43 2003 From: martin at osprog.net (Martin) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:38:43 -0500 Subject: problems with e1000 network and sound Message-ID: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net> I have an asus motherboard p4c800-e, with 1G ethernet(intel 82547ei) and 3Ghz Hyperthreaded P4 and 875p mch chipset. I net installed(not upgraded) severn 2 with anaconda without any trouble. then on first reboot, am unable to get sound or networking up. which is interesting since I did a net install. from dmesg i see: NETDEV WATCHDOG eth0: transmit timed out e1000: eth0 NIC link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex didn't see any other error messages. i've tried disabling hyperthreading in bios. also tried booting with 'noacpi' and 'acpi=off'. also sound doesn't work. Severn 1 worked fine with this system. appreciate any help. marty From fedora at puzzled.xs4all.nl Fri Sep 26 17:54:50 2003 From: fedora at puzzled.xs4all.nl (Patrick) Date: 26 Sep 2003 19:54:50 +0200 Subject: XFree86 weirdness: no neomagic but fb? - Solved In-Reply-To: <1064597610.4639.15.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> References: <1064597610.4639.15.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1064598890.6085.2.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 19:33, Patrick wrote: > Hi, > > Laptop is a Toshiba Tecra 8000 which works fine on RH9 at 1024x768, > 24bpp with the neomagic driver straight out of the box. Just installed > beta2 (clean install). During install, the process would not get me > 1024x768, 24bpp but something completely ugly. > > I changed the /etc/X11/XF86Config to contain imho valid entries: > neomagic driver, 1024x768 resolution, 24 bit depth. > > When it starts up it seems like it is doing the right thing but then > throttles back to a lower quality: the cross pointer gets all jagged, > fonts look terrible etc. > > It shows in /var/log/XFree86.0.log that it uses the fb driver and *not* > the neomagic driver. The resulting screen looks pretty bad. This seems > b0rked to me. Running redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig and select > different combinations does not make a difference. > > Any ideas how to fix this? > > TIA, > Patrick > All is well now. I had to disable the RandR extension. Is this known or do I have to file a bugreport? TIA, Patrick From tderooy at optonline.net Fri Sep 26 17:30:27 2003 From: tderooy at optonline.net (Tonko de Rooy) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:30:27 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core: PXE install fails Message-ID: <006a01c38453$e072d580$398e4109@tderooy> Hi, We use PXE boot to install RH and it works great for any other version, including the previous beta1. What we do is serve images/pxeboot/vmlinuz and images/pxeboot/initrd.img using PXELINUX 1.66 However with Fedora it now fails with the messages below. Is this already a know issue, or do I need to submit it to bugzilla? 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URL: From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Fri Sep 26 17:52:35 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: More 0.94 issues Message-ID: <200309261752.h8QHqZ704851@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> First, I downloaded the ISOs, checked the md5 sums against the MD5SUM file, and checked the signature of the MD5SUM file itself. Then, after burning the CDs, I checked the md5 sums on the CDs themselves with the dd command. Everything was fine. Then, after bringing the CDs home and running the mediacheck, the first CD failed, the second passed, and the third failed. So I downloaded the ISOs at home, and burned new copies at home, after checking the ISO md5 sums again. Upon doing the mediacheck, the exact same CDs failed. I decided to gamble that the problem was in the mediacheck program, rather than the CDs themselves. I did an upgrade from beta1 to beta2, and though the system was basically functional, I noticed some error messages on startup and shutdown, so I decided to do a clean install. Both the upgrade and the clean install proceeded without errors, reinforcing my suspicion that there was something wrong with the mediacheck program. I use DSL with PPPoE. I configured the network connection to come up at boot time, but this doesn't happen. I can bring it up manually with redhat-config-network, however. Even though the ethernet interface is activated after the PPP connection comes up, and ifconfig confirms this, it's still shown as inactive in the GUI. I'm not sure what the proper configuration for the ethernet interface is, I previously had an IP-less configuration where the ethernet interface comes up in response to PPPoE. Name service didn't work. I noticed that /etc/ppp/resolv.conf had been automatically filled with two DNS server addresses, but /etc/resolv.conf hadn't. I took the two DNS addresses and manually entered them into redhat-config-network under the DNS tab, and then these addresses made their way into /etc/resolv.conf, so name service works. The copying should happen automatically, however. I'm not familiar with the software responsible for the above problems. Which packages are likely to be responsible so I can file bug reports? P.S. The metacity bug #104373 still manifests (same version metacity-2.5.3-3 as before). From mitch at metauser.net Fri Sep 26 17:55:08 2003 From: mitch at metauser.net (Mitch Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:55:08 -0600 Subject: Nvidia and Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064589373.6335.5.camel@Linux1> References: <1064582280.6335.3.camel@Linux1> <1064584423.5962.4.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <1064589373.6335.5.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <1064598908.4148.3.camel@twoface> > > > > Yes. Do the following: > > > > 1. As root, switch to runlevel 3 (init 3). > > 2. Login again as root. > > 3. before running the NVidia Installer, set the CC veriable to use > > gcc32 with the command: export "CC=gcc32" > > 4. run the NVidia Installer program and let it compile the modules > > as normal. > > 5. Update XF86Config as usual (stuff like getting rid of "load > > dri") > > 6. Test with startx, but it should be OK. > > 7. Switch back to runlevel 5 (init 5) > > 8. You're done! > > > > Happily running Severn2 with the latest NVidia drivers with no troubles > > so far... Mine locks up completely every 4 - 20 minutes... I've been trying to find out whats causing it, but haven't seen any errors in log files. I've since switched back to the "nv" driver and haven't had any problems for over an hour... Mitch From rpjday at mindspring.com Fri Sep 26 18:04:24 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Nvidia and Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1064598908.4148.3.camel@twoface> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Mitch Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > Yes. Do the following: > > > > > > 1. As root, switch to runlevel 3 (init 3). > > > 2. Login again as root. > > > 3. before running the NVidia Installer, set the CC veriable to use > > > gcc32 with the command: export "CC=gcc32" > > > 4. run the NVidia Installer program and let it compile the modules > > > as normal. > > > 5. Update XF86Config as usual (stuff like getting rid of "load > > > dri") > > > 6. Test with startx, but it should be OK. > > > 7. Switch back to runlevel 5 (init 5) > > > 8. You're done! > > > > > > Happily running Severn2 with the latest NVidia drivers with no troubles > > > so far... > > Mine locks up completely every 4 - 20 minutes... I've been trying to > find out whats causing it, but haven't seen any errors in log files. > I've since switched back to the "nv" driver and haven't had any problems > for over an hour... i've been running the beta on my inspiron since it first came out, along with the 2.5.x and 2.6.0 test kernels. i've downloaded and built nvidia's drivers countless times, and never had a problem. is there any reason to think that switching from severn1 to severn2 should suddenly introduce any problems here? i'll still have the same nvidia driver, be running the latest 2.6.0-test5 kernel, etc. so, technically, i don't see what can go wrong ... go wrong ... rday From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Sep 26 18:04:10 2003 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <20030926133058.C19640@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <1064549726.3040.2.camel@ByteEnable> <1064549749.4585.16.camel@binkley> <3F744354.60802@lqt.ca> <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030926133058.C19640@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > One possibility, especially if you were comparing to an up2date kernel > from test1 (only a week's worth of changes, basically), would be that > the scheduler interactivity changes that were just accepted into Linus's > tree in the 2.6.0-test kernels were backported. (A think-o in that > backport is what caused the SMP instability and has now been fixed in > the packages at http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/severn/) > > We at least think we can really notice the difference. At least on this desktop, it seems faster, but "jerky" -- operations normally go smoothly and quickly, but sometimes they pause mid-operation for a second or so (Athlon 1700+, 768 megs, just running ~12 xterms, mozilla, and xmms) later, chris From joe at tmsusa.com Fri Sep 26 18:09:06 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:09:06 -0700 Subject: More 0.94 issues In-Reply-To: <200309261752.h8QHqZ704851@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200309261752.h8QHqZ704851@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <3F7480C2.2070109@tmsusa.com> Andre Robatino wrote: > First, I downloaded the ISOs, checked the md5 sums against the MD5SUM file, >and checked the signature of the MD5SUM file itself. Then, after burning >the CDs, I checked the md5 sums on the CDs themselves with the dd command. >Everything was fine. Then, after bringing the CDs home and running the >mediacheck, the first CD failed, the second passed, and the third failed. >So I downloaded the ISOs at home, and burned new copies at home, after >checking the ISO md5 sums again. Upon doing the mediacheck, the exact same >CDs failed. I decided to gamble that the problem was in the mediacheck >program, rather than the CDs themselves. > I have also been stuck at the mediacheck - I burned the CDs just as I have been burning for years, with the cdrecord program, using the same box as I had burned all my psyche, phoebe, shrike, and severn1 CDs. No matter what I try, CD #1 and #3 fail mediacheck, CD #2 passes - so I have a nice pile of severn2 CD #1s. I am assuming the mediacheck is brain damaged and will move on with the install, more later. Joe From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Fri Sep 26 18:29:44 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:29:44 +0200 Subject: problems with samba 3 Message-ID: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> Hello, just installed the new test2-severn CDs (fresh install), and I'm stuck right now in some trouble using samba. I'm not able any more to contact with an WinXP-Box after configuration with the redhat-config-samba tool (there are still some bugs inside the grafical tool, for exampe when writing down my workgroup which is written in great caps, it converts automatically to small caps) So right now, I'm able to "see" the samba-box from my WinXp-System, but I can't browse the shares of the linux-box. In a previous posting, there were some hints about the authentification mode, but I didnt't figured out the proper parameters in smb.conf. Another point is that browsing the network from Nautilus with smb:// doesn't work anymore too, with the last release 0.93 I didnt't had any Problems. Can someone give me a hint, please ? Thank you in advance Rainer From rjohnson at medata.com Fri Sep 26 18:53:02 2003 From: rjohnson at medata.com (Rick Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:53:02 -0700 Subject: 0.94 KDE desktop Start Here icon not functional In-Reply-To: <1064588985.32506.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <1064539714.30610.2.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252225.21018.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064543752.30792.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <200309252253.49238.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064582671.32363.0.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <001601c38432$5495a3b0$42c8a8c0@odysseyconsultants.com> <1064588985.32506.3.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F748B0E.1080607@medata.com> Gerry Tool wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 08:30, Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz) wrote: > >>anybody can give me an alternative link to fedora isos because I cannot get >>a connection or redhat.com's server >> > > Visit http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html > > and select any mirror. > > One that worked great for me yesterday was ftp.tu-chemnitz.de in Germany > (from U.S.) > I got full speed (348KB/sec on my cable modem) on ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn or http://mirrors.kernel.org/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/severn (rsync works too). -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - rjohnson at medata.com Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc From gmaeding at kidspeace.org Fri Sep 26 18:57:24 2003 From: gmaeding at kidspeace.org (Glen Maeding) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:57:24 -0400 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <200309260948.58701.hosting@j2solutions.net> References: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> <200309260948.58701.hosting@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1064602643.2806.48.camel@gmaeding> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:48, Jesse Keating wrote: > This has been hashed many times, specifically on the severn list. BTW, > compiling for i586, while not using i586 processors, will actually hurt > more than help. i586 optimized software will run WORSE on i686 > platforms than i386 optimized software will. It has to do w/ the > differences of the i586 platform. Please forgive me if this has already been brought up or not, but did someone else ever bring up the possibility of making a page in the installation stage where you can choose your processor for it to install the kernel with? Say you have an Athlon, in the radio button list you can click on 'Athlon' and it'll install it with the Athlon kernel rpm. Otherwise I would just suggest they download the kernel RPM they know they have the processor for it and do rpm -ivh < kernel.XXX.rpm >. But this could lead down to much more i suspect since I was not aware they had processor specific Xfree86 rpm's? So it could have a ripple effect where people might end up saying, "oh so i choose an Athlon, so why not make one to do the kernel install and the rest of the RPM's for specific processors?". -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- * -- Glen Maeding * -- MIS Tech @ Kidspeace Inc. * -- Webmaster of MIS-comm, Pdangel.org, and others... * -- E-mail: gmaeding at kidspeace.org * -- Pager e-mail: goik at tmail.com **Note: There's a Critical Security Upgrade available for Microsoft Windows; It's called "Linux" -------------------------------------------------------------------- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Sep 26 18:59:15 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 26 Sep 2003 14:59:15 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core: PXE install fails In-Reply-To: <006a01c38453$e072d580$398e4109@tderooy> References: <006a01c38453$e072d580$398e4109@tderooy> Message-ID: <1064602755.4722.5.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:30, Tonko de Rooy wrote: > Hi, > > We use PXE boot to install RH and it works great for any other > version, including the previous beta1. > > What we do is serve images/pxeboot/vmlinuz and > images/pxeboot/initrd.img using PXELINUX 1.66 > > could not set new controlling tty > trying to remount root filesystem read write... done > mounting /tmp as ramfs... done > Failed to read directory /oldtmp: No such file or directoryrunning > install... > running /sbin/loader > install exited abnormally -- received signal 11 > sending termination signals...done on the kernel boot line add: ramdisk_size=8192 that will fix it - that one tripped me up yesterday too -sv From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 26 19:07:37 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:07:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I rebooted between each launch... I had to reboot 5 times anyway... ;=) NOTE: I also disabled preloading of both OO and MSO2k... to be fair and not delay login times... On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Ingo Molnar > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: > > > Timings are average of 5 launches. [...] > > q: were these 5 launches done without reboots inbetween (ie. cached > startup)? > > Ingo > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lhh at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 19:05:10 2003 From: lhh at redhat.com (Lon Hohberger) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:05:10 -0400 Subject: problems with samba 3 In-Reply-To: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> References: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <1064603110.5415.25.camel@atlantis.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 14:29, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > So right now, I'm able to "see" the samba-box from my WinXp-System, but I > can't browse the shares of the linux-box. > > In a previous posting, there were some hints about the authentification > mode, but I didnt't figured out the proper parameters in smb.conf. > > Another point is that browsing the network from Nautilus with smb:// doesn't > work anymore too, with the last release 0.93 I didnt't had any Problems. > > Can someone give me a hint, please ? Try: map to guest = Bad User Browsing Samba servers anonymously (ie, no name/password) is disabled by default now (for obvious security reasons) - you must explicitly enable it. -- Lon Hohberger Red Hat, Inc. --> http://www.redhat.com My Public Key --> http://people.redhat.com/lhh/pubkey.txt The views expressed in this electronic mail message are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of Red Hat, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 26 19:21:02 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:21:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F747226.8010509@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Joe wrote: > Stephan Schutter wrote: > > >I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) > > > >CPU: 1000MHZ > >RAM: 256MB > > > >Software: > > > >OS: WinXP RHL 9 > > Open office OpenOffice > > MS Office 2k MS Office 2k > > > > > >Software startup times: > > WinXP RHL 9 > > (s) (s) > >OS bootup 37 70 > >Login 8 20 > This suggests problems with your setup - just for giggles I checked my > celeron 1200 and it took all of 8 seconds from login to fully populated > desktop including gkrellm - Me too if I do not reboot inbetween... > > >Def Browser 1 7 > > > OK, close, it took 6 seconds for moz to come up for me - but moz has > never been about quick startup. OK so you have 200 MHZ on top of me... > > >Word 2k 4 6 > >Open Office 10 21 > > > oo is slow indeed, and is my main complaint - but I hear SO7 et al are > much faster at startup > > >Def TextEdit 1 3 > > > took 1 second here > > Your system may need the standard tweaks, the long login time especially > suggests basic configuration issues. Both windows and Linux were configured using DEFAULTS. Perhapps They need to be reviewed? > > > > >1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and > >slower? > > > In most cases it is neither fatter nor slower - one might well ask why, Open office was slower on Linux than Windows. > if windows nt/2k is so efficient, why can it not even boot up on a low > end system which could be used to run a website, or a > firewall/dns/dhcp/vpn/router box with linux? on the other hand, desktop > apps are microsoft's forte, and have been their focus for many years - > you find it suprising that one of the wealthiest and most fanatically > driven corporations has been able to make their desktop apps snappy? > > One thing that people fail to realize is that X11 is fairly heavyweight soooo... this makes it a good choice for the desktop GUI??? > - it's a complex and sophisticated client/server, network-transparent > windowing system, whereas on windows you have a simple pc gui: > single-user, and local-only. you're not really comparing apples to apples. > WinXP is multi user. Like 2000 server it has RDP and supports multiple logins... 2000 server (in app mode) and XP (app mode is disabled in the registry) 2003 (app) all have the multiuser kernel. so apples are apples. :=) > Even so, linux desktop performance is not bad, apart from pathological > cases like yours - and is getting better. Just as all the server room > shortcomings were addressed, so now the desktop shortcomings are being > addressed. > I gave a RHL CD set to one of my coleagues and the first thing out of his mouth was: "it's slow". Hows that for first impressions? > As to your question on whether "anyone at redhat" is interested in > performance, I'll let them speak to that. > > Joe > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 26 19:23:08 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:23:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> Message-ID: I diabled this feature... for fairness... On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, ByteEnable wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:10, Stephan Schutter wrote: > > I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) > > > > CPU: 1000MHZ > > RAM: 256MB > > > > Software: > > > > OS: WinXP RHL 9 > > Open office OpenOffice > > MS Office 2k MS Office 2k > > > > > > Software startup times: > > WinXP RHL 9 > > (s) (s) > > OS bootup 37 70 > > Login 8 21 > > Def Browser 1 7 > > Word 2k 4 6 > > Open Office 10 21 > > Def TextEdit 1 3 > > File Browser 1.5 1.5 > > > > Timings are average of 5 launches. Word on linux, suprisingly, is snappier > > than OpenOffice... Open Office is faster on Windows than linux... > > > > Soooo.... do I need to ask? > > > > 1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and > > slower? > > > > 2. Is any one at RHL working on desktop performance? > > > > These are some of the sugestione that I may need to answe to when I > > present this and further data to my managers. Gys... what should I say? > > > > One of the original sugestions of why to use Linux is that it could buy > > you longer life on the old hardware... this does not seem to be the case. > > > > I believe that Microsoft preloads some of the office code during > login/startup. This same same complaint, "it takes so long to load > word", was leveled at MS years ago. > > Robert Thomas > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From katzj at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 19:23:31 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:23:31 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <3F748FAA.20326.D81E04@localhost> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <3F748FAA.20326.D81E04@localhost> Message-ID: <1064604211.477.12.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:12, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > > I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get > > through the install quickly w/o alot of questions > > Individual package selection has always been an option that was skipped by > default. So speed of installation has nothing to do with deleting this > functionality. Which just put it off the beaten path and less likely to be noticed quickly when it broke. I had to rework quite a bit of the backend package handling code in anaconda to handle the ability to install both i386 and x86_64 packages on AMD64 (and similarly on other arches), which was then going to require a rework and a pretty large rethink of how the individual package selection worked. Rather than spend time on that, we punted it out and will just get it right for redhat-config-packages (instead of having to do it in two different places). Finite time + infinite amounts of work == some stuff gets punted Plus, there's the whole "options don't come for free" argument which Havoc has written about a few times. Cheers, Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 19:25:32 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:25:32 -0400 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <1064602643.2806.48.camel@gmaeding> References: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> <200309260948.58701.hosting@j2solutions.net> <1064602643.2806.48.camel@gmaeding> Message-ID: <1064604332.477.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 14:57, Glen Maeding wrote: > Please forgive me if this has already been brought up or not, but did > someone else ever bring up the possibility of making a page in the > installation stage where you can choose your processor for it to install > the kernel with? Say you have an Athlon, in the radio button list you > can click on 'Athlon' and it'll install it with the Athlon kernel rpm. If you have an Athlon, the installer should properly detect that and install the athlon kernel. If it doesn't, that's a bug. There's also now a (undocumented, could go away someday) boot time option that you can use with 'linux rpmarch=i586' to override the detection for all those people that have asked about doing the install on an i686 machine and then moving the hard drive to their i586 box afterwards. Cheers, Jeremy From smoogen at lanl.gov Fri Sep 26 19:25:55 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:25:55 -0600 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064604354.22779.80.camel@smoogen1.lanl.gov> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:07, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I rebooted between each launch... I had to reboot 5 times anyway... ;=) > > NOTE: I also disabled preloading of both OO and MSO2k... to be fair and > not delay login times... > Hmmm I have heard that this isnt always honoured. I dont know if it is anti-MS FUD or true. > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 (note new #) Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From katzj at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 19:27:11 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:27:11 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core: PXE install fails In-Reply-To: <1064602755.4722.5.camel@opus> References: <006a01c38453$e072d580$398e4109@tderooy> <1064602755.4722.5.camel@opus> Message-ID: <1064604431.477.18.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 14:59, seth vidal wrote: > > Failed to read directory /oldtmp: No such file or directoryrunning > > install... > > running /sbin/loader > > install exited abnormally -- received signal 11 > > sending termination signals...done > > on the kernel boot line add: > > ramdisk_size=8192 Yep, sorry about that. Noticed it as I was doing some testing, but it was after the kernel had been built so I put the workaround in the syslinux.cfg/isolinux.cfg. Next spin will have a kernel that won't need this again. Cheers, Jeremy From michal at harddata.com Fri Sep 26 19:28:46 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:28:46 -0600 Subject: problems with samba 3 In-Reply-To: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august>; from Rainer.Hattenhauer@t-online.de on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:29:44PM +0200 References: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <20030926132846.A25957@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:29:44PM +0200, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > Hello, > > just installed the new test2-severn CDs (fresh install), and I'm stuck right > now in some trouble using samba. .... > So right now, I'm able to "see" the samba-box from my WinXp-System, but I > can't browse the shares of the linux-box. I just happen to spent the previous night on a customer site where various Windoze clients recently started loosing connections, ability to browse and similar. There were some indications of hardware problems on their Samba server, so I was led astray a bit, but in the final account this turned out to be our "friends" from VeriSign at the root cause of all troubles. Client machines were randomly trying to connect to port 139 at 'sitefinder-', obviously failing as they were blocked from doing such stunts, and were going bonkers. A solution turned out to be to explictitely declare a name resolution order to 'winbind lmhosts ....', or whatever that is called, in smb.conf. I do not have Samba here so I cannot check that directive but it is mentioned explicitely in one of 'BROWSING' documents. It does not mean that this is a problem you are seeing but I would not exclude that outright. DNS wildcard disease seems to be spreading. Today I found accidentally that there is one, of which I was not aware before, for '.ua.ca' domain - whatever that may be. It dumps you to redirectf.dnsix.com (66.150.161.135 and few other IPs). Michal From tdiehl at rogueind.com Fri Sep 26 19:30:02 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core: PXE install fails In-Reply-To: <1064602755.4722.5.camel@opus> Message-ID: On 26 Sep 2003, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:30, Tonko de Rooy wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We use PXE boot to install RH and it works great for any other > > version, including the previous beta1. > > > > What we do is serve images/pxeboot/vmlinuz and > > images/pxeboot/initrd.img using PXELINUX 1.66 > > > > could not set new controlling tty > > trying to remount root filesystem read write... done > > mounting /tmp as ramfs... done > > Failed to read directory /oldtmp: No such file or directoryrunning > > install... > > running /sbin/loader > > install exited abnormally -- received signal 11 > > sending termination signals...done > > on the kernel boot line add: > > ramdisk_size=8192 > > that will fix it - that one tripped me up yesterday too That bit me also. In addition I needed this: http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/severn-test2-updates.img Drop it in as RedHat/base/updates.img Worksforme. Of course ymmv. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From mitch at metauser.net Fri Sep 26 19:32:27 2003 From: mitch at metauser.net (Mitch Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:32:27 -0600 Subject: Nvidia and Fedora Core In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064604747.4148.7.camel@twoface> > i've been running the beta on my inspiron since it first came out, > along with the 2.5.x and 2.6.0 test kernels. i've downloaded and built > nvidia's drivers countless times, and never had a problem. > > is there any reason to think that switching from severn1 to severn2 > should suddenly introduce any problems here? i'll still have the > same nvidia driver, be running the latest 2.6.0-test5 kernel, etc. > > so, technically, i don't see what can go wrong ... go wrong ... So, is it possible that its Evolution, Gaim, gkrellm or Epiphany causing the problem? (causing my box to hard lock that is?) From lowen at pari.edu Fri Sep 26 19:34:07 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:34:07 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <20030926133058.C19640@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030926133058.C19640@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309261534.07327.lowen@pari.edu> On Friday 26 September 2003 13:30, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > One possibility, especially if you were comparing to an up2date kernel > from test1 (only a week's worth of changes, basically), would be that > the scheduler interactivity changes that were just accepted into Linus's > tree in the 2.6.0-test kernels were backported. (A think-o in that > backport is what caused the SMP instability and has now been fixed in > the packages at http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/severn/) > We at least think we can really notice the difference. I can notice a perceptable difference in speed on my Sony FXA-49 laptop. Perceptable usually translates to greater than 10%, IME. The fonts are different, though. (upgrade from RHL9 to FC0.94) Thinner; smaller; but not bad. Some of the icons in the panel (KDE) are ugly, though. Crossover office appears to work OK, too. Which is good, since I am a heavy Visio 5.0 user (Visio 5 won't even install on WinXP, much less run, but it runs fine on Crossover office on the new FC0.94). -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From otaylor at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 19:48:13 2003 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:48:13 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <200309261534.07327.lowen@pari.edu> References: <20030926003622.92637.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <3F7445E3.60702@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030926133058.C19640@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309261534.07327.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:34, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Friday 26 September 2003 13:30, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > One possibility, especially if you were comparing to an up2date kernel > > from test1 (only a week's worth of changes, basically), would be that > > the scheduler interactivity changes that were just accepted into Linus's > > tree in the 2.6.0-test kernels were backported. (A think-o in that > > backport is what caused the SMP instability and has now been fixed in > > the packages at http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/severn/) > > > We at least think we can really notice the difference. > > I can notice a perceptable difference in speed on my Sony FXA-49 laptop. > Perceptable usually translates to greater than 10%, IME. > > The fonts are different, though. (upgrade from RHL9 to FC0.94) Thinner; > smaller; but not bad. The final will actually look more like RHL9 - I tracked down a problem with using the wrong set of Luxi fonts last week, but didn't have a chance to build it into the Cambridge tree before Beta2 was pusehd. If you edit /etc/fonts/fonts.conf and remove /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF you should get the correct appearance. Regards, Owen From john at cepros.com Fri Sep 26 19:17:19 2003 From: john at cepros.com (John P. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:17:19 -0800 Subject: License Issues... Message-ID: All (Maybe Alan Cox?), ??Please let me preface this email with a short note about tenor. I am attempting in this email to respect all individuals while at the same time address what I see as a serious issue in the "Free" software community. I am writing the email with the utmost respect and wish that it would not come across as negative nor is meant to flame anyone. If it comes across as negative to someone I apologize ahead of time. ??I am a long time Linux user starting in 1995 on Slackware. Back then I had no concern about software license and what not. Even today the concept of "free" and "not free" is about how much cash I took out of my pocket and gave to someone for something that is going to be "mine". So when I learned about the depths of "license" and what that really means and what "Free" means to the Linux community I was still confused to some extent. I would not bring this up in this list if I where not trying to advocate Red Hat Linux (now "Fedora Core", which by the way my customers will not understand or like) in my local community correctly and with proper respect to individuals rights to code and use of such code. So, to the core of what I am talking (blathering really) about. Everyday users/small companies do not have the resources (time, energy, money to hire lawyers, will, intelligence (see above "pay for something it is mine" concept)) to spend on understanding license and how they affect one another and what not. They only know this "Dang this Linux thing sucks, it cant play my cool new Matrix DVD on my computer. I am going back to Windows.". How do we overcome this? Users want to play DVDs and listen to MP3s. Users want to do everything they are accustomed to doing on Windows on Linux, and personally so do I which is why my main machine is a Mac OS X machine. I want to pitch "Fedora Core" to my customers and sell them service, not software. I want "Free" software to succeed so bad it hurts some days. How will we get to the point when "Free" and "Closed" software can co-exist in the same machine legally and technically? They should be able to without huge in depth discussions that average users would get lost in. ??Also, I think that half of all this trouble is due to the fact that lawyers out there are changing what the truth is and redefinging concepts with laws to fit the individual's mindset who hired them. This leads to silly assertions like: "You wrote a kernel module to work with a Linux kernel, thus that kernel module is a derivitive work.". Hog wash. Just the same that my custom computer case that works with ATX only motherboards is not a derivitive work of ATX x86 motherboards. It is a wholly original work that I have built that happens to work with ATX motherboards, but would also work just fine as a AT x86 motherboard with some work. If I had taken an x86 motherboard and integrated it into my ATX case so that it was no longer seperable and could not be used in any other way, then it would be a derivitive work since I took someone else's work and made it an integral part of my work. As it is the kernel module can be pulled out and it can be executed by itself in another piece of code with some work, and the kernel can operate without the custom kernel module with some work. Help me here if I am totally out of whack, but derivitive work means to take parts of someone else's work and include them in your own so they are inseperable, and please do not say to talk to some lawyer. I do not have the money to pay a lawyer to counsel me on every aspect of my life, and neither should I need one. What happened to the days of reason? It seems as if the noble concept of "Free" is destroyed if I am not be able to use my "Free" something with my not "Free" something. Also, if someone with the knowledge/wisdow to email/speak with me on this topic at length outside of this forum to help me in my endeavor to get the "Free" concept, GPL, and how it interacts with the various other license concepts down cold, I would appreciate it. I want to use Linux, GPL software, and "Free" software as components to build my service business, but I want to repsect the authors. I also want to provide a rich and compelling environment for users that will pay service fees to support it without breaking "law" or exposing myself to the threat of legal action. ??As an aside. I am very pleased that so many people in the "Free" software community are willing to share the fruits of their labor with everyone else. My deepest thanks goes out to all of you for your hard work. This especially includes all those folks out there who maintain code bases. I do not envy you and your difficult task, but I am oh so thankful for it. Regards, John P. Mitchell Email Sticker: My Boss is a Jewish carpenter http://www.GoboLinux.org | User #00010110 From awol at home.nl Fri Sep 26 19:57:52 2003 From: awol at home.nl (Alexander Volovics) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:57:52 +0200 Subject: nautilus crashes when not drawing desktop Message-ID: <20030926195752.GA2037@home.nl> I do not like icons on the desktop and as there seems to be no direct way of removing them I do not let nautilus draw the desktop. The most simple way of doing this seems to be to use gconf-editor and then under apps -> nautilus -> preferences to uncheck the 'show_desktop' item. This works without problems in RH 9 but under fedora test1/test2 this causes nautilus to crash at the next boot (and first the panel is drawn with a black bar before the nautilus error message appears). This also causes programs in a drawer to not start up anymore. Is this a new development in gnome 4 or a bug. Anybody experience something like this? Alexander From chabotc at 4-ice.com Fri Sep 26 20:02:33 2003 From: chabotc at 4-ice.com (Chris Chabot) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:02:33 +0200 Subject: samba 3.0? References: Message-ID: <001f01c38469$1ff94c10$0200a8c0@WINXP> You probably have the package pam_smb installed.. it allows authentication to the pam password backend thru pam. Check out /usr/share/doc/pam_smb-x.y.z (x.y.z being the version number) for more info ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Schutter" To: Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 16:13 Subject: Re: samba 3.0? > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Glen Maeding wrote: > > I installed this allready... guess what? This is strange... now, out of > the blue... I can ssh to the box using both the samba password and the > unix password! They are different. Does any one have an idea?? > > ./SLS > > > > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 09:04, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > > > > > Samba 3.0.0-5rc1 is already in there if you updated everything from > > > the > > > redhat-beta-updates channel on RHN. > > > > But isn't that release candidate 1 as spelled out '5rc1' at the end of > > the version line? If you go to this link: > > > > http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ > > > > You will see that its not versioned as above or even use the 'rc' in > > it. But then I do not know if Redhat interwine it in a specific way to > > their distros. > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From joe at tmsusa.com Fri Sep 26 20:06:09 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:06:09 -0700 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F749C31.3030508@tmsusa.com> Stephan Schutter wrote: > > >>>1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and >>>slower? >>> >>> >>> >>In most cases it is neither fatter nor slower - one might well ask why, >> >> > >Open office was slower on Linux than Windows. > Yes indeed, OO is not your typical linux app - the performance suggests that it was written with windows in mind, and ported to linux in a mindless fashion. There is no reason why any app should be slower on linux than on windows. Take for example a classic 3D FPS like quake 3 arena. The performance is identical on the 2 platforms, which really shows that something like an office suite has no excuse for taking 30 seconds to start up on linux, especially when it takes much less time to start up on windows. >soooo... this makes it a good choice for the desktop GUI??? > I don't understand your point - X11 has been the unix GUI framework for many years - are you suggesting someone start from scratch and write a legacy free windowing system? Well, there are efforts underway, but keep in mind also that there are some real good reasons to have the capabilities of X11, and it's not going away any time soon. > > >>- it's a complex and sophisticated client/server, network-transparent >>windowing system, whereas on windows you have a simple pc gui: >>single-user, and local-only. you're not really comparing apples to apples. >> >> >> >WinXP is multi user. Like 2000 server it has RDP and supports multiple >logins... 2000 server (in app mode) and XP (app mode is disabled in the >registry) 2003 (app) all have the multiuser kernel. so apples are >apples. :=) > I think you'd need to have a better understanding of X11 before comparing it to pc anywhere or other windows remote GUI solutions - oh, and linux can do RDP as well. > > >>Even so, linux desktop performance is not bad, apart from pathological >>cases like yours - and is getting better. Just as all the server room >>shortcomings were addressed, so now the desktop shortcomings are being >>addressed. >> >> >> >I gave a RHL CD set to one of my coleagues and the first thing out of his >mouth was: "it's slow". Hows that for first impressions? > Dunno, maybe he had name resolution issues? that's the most common cause for such complaints - but for every such impression I have impressions from folks who say it's snappy - although admittedly RH9 did have some desktop performance issues compared to earlier RH releases. But I am happy to report that the fedora test release seems much snappier than RH9. ;-) Joe From joe at tmsusa.com Fri Sep 26 20:19:22 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:19:22 -0700 Subject: More 0.94 issues In-Reply-To: <3F7480C2.2070109@tmsusa.com> References: <200309261752.h8QHqZ704851@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7480C2.2070109@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3F749F4A.2050807@tmsusa.com> Joe wrote: > I am assuming the mediacheck is brain damaged and will move on with > the install, more later. OK, following up on my own post, the install went swimmingly even with the "failed" CDs - A little aggravated that I can not choose individual packages - I had to go back and hunt down postfix etc after the install. I notice that we still have the rpm of death after all this time. I had to remove /var/lib/rpm__db* and kill rpm several times in the span of a few minutes while installing some packages. It does indeed seem snappier - will know more after installing the nvidia drivers and taking q3a demo for a spin. I'll install some programs to exercise the video capture card, will report back on success or lack thereof - All in all, not a bad beginning for the fedora distro Joe From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 26 20:30:59 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:30:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <3F7459BE.2000805@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: I vote that the installer PnP all the hardware. Full stop. Why would you not want to do that????? If the hardware is there... it is probably for a reason. And that reason is not that I am a geek and would like to sit around for days after installing the OS and configuring various peripherals. If you like doing that, then use slackware. An express option (default kickstart) would be cool tough... On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Craig Ringer wrote: > >>Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to > >>make anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot > >>and run redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software > >>you want. That way we could put all our effort into that tool which > >>you will use many times, instead of the installer which you use > >>once every many many months. > > > > This would seriously rock, don't give up cheerleading it. The whole > > worship of the installer god seems to me a false religion. > > Absolutely. Stuff the do-it-once install - the use-it-forever management > tools are rather more critical, and when you can avoid duplication of > effort as well (eg package management and installation), it's really > win-win. > > That need not mean an overly cut-down, hard to use intaller - only a > minimalistic one that need not discover, say, if you have a DVD burner > or sound card when it will never need those things to do it's job. The > number of times I've wished the RH installer could partition the HDD, > dump a copy of it's self on the disk, write an MBR and reboot... > > Craig Ringer > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From rhl at farorbit.com Fri Sep 26 20:37:25 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Why not use the bitstream free fonts by default???? They look great. On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:34, Lamar Owen wrote: > > On Friday 26 September 2003 13:30, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > One possibility, especially if you were comparing to an up2date kernel > > > from test1 (only a week's worth of changes, basically), would be that > > > the scheduler interactivity changes that were just accepted into Linus's > > > tree in the 2.6.0-test kernels were backported. (A think-o in that > > > backport is what caused the SMP instability and has now been fixed in > > > the packages at http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/severn/) > > > > > We at least think we can really notice the difference. > > > > I can notice a perceptable difference in speed on my Sony FXA-49 laptop. > > Perceptable usually translates to greater than 10%, IME. > > > > The fonts are different, though. (upgrade from RHL9 to FC0.94) Thinner; > > smaller; but not bad. > > The final will actually look more like RHL9 - I tracked down a problem > with using the wrong set of Luxi fonts last week, but didn't have a > chance to build it into the Cambridge tree before Beta2 was pusehd. > > If you edit /etc/fonts/fonts.conf and remove > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF you should get the correct > appearance. > > Regards, > Owen > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Fri Sep 26 20:43:01 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:43:01 -0700 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064608981.3f74a4d5d94a3@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> Stephan Schutter wrote: > I vote that the installer PnP all the hardware. Full stop. Why would you > not want to do that????? If the hardware is there... it is probably for a > reason. And that reason is not that I am a geek and would like to sit > around for days after installing the OS and configuring various > peripherals. If you like doing that, then use slackware. FYI - Some people are pretty touchy on the top-posting thing (putting your reply at the top of the email, instead of inline, as I'm doing, or at the bottom). One reason to not do it is to keep the install simple, if there are problems getting the basic boot environment set up you will find out sooner if you don't have to wait an hour for all the extra stuff to detect/install. Another is that RedHat has some really nice runtime tools to do all this configuration, and their functionality is being duplicated in Anaconda, typically with less elegant code (according to RH people in this thread). Having these tools run when the system first boots would still give you all the nice automagic configuration, but at that point you'll already know the base system works, narrowing down the list of suspects if somthing breaks. If I'm not mistaken, Windows installs the base, then reboots and detects stuff. So does debian. > An express option (default kickstart) would be cool tough... Yeah, but part of the motivation is to not have to code it twice (once in the installer, and once in the runtime apps). If the runtime apps were part of the installer image, and could be run from Anaconda, then perhaps you could have the choice. From bkoz at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 20:44:36 2003 From: bkoz at redhat.com (Benjamin Kosnik) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:44:36 -0500 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: References: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030926154436.1519b031.bkoz@redhat.com> >Why not use the bitstream free fonts by default???? They look great. Ditto. I'm assuming you are talking about Vera: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ First thing I do..... -benjamin From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Sep 26 20:50:36 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 26 Sep 2003 16:50:36 -0400 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <20030926154436.1519b031.bkoz@redhat.com> References: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20030926154436.1519b031.bkoz@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064609435.6060.18.camel@opus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 16:44, Benjamin Kosnik wrote: > >Why not use the bitstream free fonts by default???? They look great. > > Ditto. I'm assuming you are talking about Vera: > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ > > First thing I do..... > > - umm - they're in the distro. bitstream-vera-fonts -sv From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 21:04:45 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Sep 2003 18:04:45 -0300 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: On Sep 26, 2003, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:57, Philip Wyett wrote: >> - Beep when graphical login appears is just bloody annoying, but >> I could live with it! :) > Idea is to let blind users know when to start typing, IIRC. Another reason I love it is that now I can tell when my headless boxes have completed booting :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From fedora at warmcat.com Fri Sep 26 21:02:05 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:02:05 +0100 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309262202.05630.fedora@warmcat.com> On Friday 26 September 2003 21:30, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I vote that the installer PnP all the hardware. Full stop. Why > would you not want to do that????? If the hardware is there... it > is probably for a reason. Yeah... but what's so special about the set of hardware that was attached at install-time? Install time was the smallest fragment of time that the OS is going to be on the machine. The rest of the time you will be swapping hardware and adding new stuff. So its better that the focus is on automated hardware detection and usage post-install, since that is when it is most needed.... so why have th artificial install/post-install distinction at all? Michael's concept is to make the thinnest possible install action and invest the rest of the work in a generic "PnP implementation" (in your terms) which works just as well two years down the line as it does on install day. I think that is what you are voting for! -Andy From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 21:14:38 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Sep 2003 18:14:38 -0300 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? In-Reply-To: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> Message-ID: On Sep 26, 2003, "Leonard den Ottolander" wrote: > That might be true, but I am syncing my package tree with the ftp version > of severn and then rawhide and upgrade from there. When I still had cable I > didn't mind downloading a lot if ISO's, but on a 256Kb line it takes about > 7 hours to download 1 ISO. It would probably even be faster to reconstruct > the ISO's myself if I felt like it. Which makes me think, is there an lslR > of the ISO images available somewhere? I don't think so, but if you create a tarball of your rawhide tree plus disc1 of the previous beta (for the stage and boot images), create hard-links with the names of the iso files and rsync them from an rsync server that carries the isos, you'll be amazed at how quickly you can get the isos :-) WORKSFORME -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From ted at cypress.com Fri Sep 26 21:15:44 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:15:44 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <1064533487.3373.50.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309252137.h8PLb6w06686@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F736872.8070908@cypress.com> <1064533487.3373.50.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F74AC80.3080100@cypress.com> Brent Fox wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 18:13, Thomas Dodd wrote: >>So if I write an app using Xt (or Motif) it's automatically bad? >>And I guess writing with raw X11 (no toolkit) is right out. > > Some people consider the movement towards usability and accessibility to > be a "dumbing-down" of the user interface. I'm one. OS-X and Win-XP are extreme examples. >>But when many(most) people talk about poor integration, they mean it >>doesn't use the same widgets or colors or something. So they want the M$ >>(MFC/VB especially) world where every single app looks the same. Only >>one radio button, scrollbar, is used. This make things >>dull and boring to me. > > > Looking at things in a different way, one could say that a good UI > *should* be dull and boring. Why should the buttons and scrollbars look > different? When someone buys a button-down shirt, they want all the > buttons to look the same, right? But if I by 10 shirt, should all ten have the same buttons? Clear buttons work for most shirts, but I like the buttons to match the shirt. Some of my white shirts have solid white buttons, some have a pearl look, and some a marble look. Often the cut or fabric determin which looks best. I have seen shirts with contrasting colors. Not my style, but some like it. If Red Hat made shirts, would they all have clear buttons? > It all depends on why one uses a computer. Is the point to get work > done or is the point to configure things? If the point is to get work Configure things so you can get work done. But if 2 weeks later I don't like something, I can change it again, until I find what I like best. But I could leave it at the defaults and never change anything. My wife is like that. She uses Photoshop, Freehand, and Draw. They have some very complex configuration options. I've looked at the, and even changed a few. She never even noticed they were there. She never bothered to look. I tweaked a few things that made my use easier, but she still uses the defauts. She's the professional. But when I use the apps, it's for me. I want them to work the best for me, not just "good enough for most." > Unfortunately, the complexity that attracted you to Enlightenment is the > same complexity that scares less technically inclined users away. It's unfortunate that complexity scares people. But I don't buy it. They by very complex devices, that they have no idea about. Look at a car. They have some very complex systems. If you want you cna modify them to behave in different ways. But you can still use the default setup and just ignore all the complexity. The average driver doesn't even change the oil anymore, but the ability to change the internals of the engine is still there. > Now I'm not saying that we have to aim for the lowest common > denominator. All I'm saying is that UI designers have to take into But that's the general trend. Poor dumb user cannot figure out how to use a fork and a spoon so we'll just give them a spoon, and never serve food that you need a fork to eat. Or maybe a spork, it's not as good as both seperately, but it's good enough for most uses of a fork or a spoon. > account the needs of their target audience. Enlightenment is obviously > targeted at a technically inclined user base. That's great if that's > what you're looking for, but I think in general most of us want to hit a > larger target. So when E was the GNOME wm, people couldn't figure out how to use it? I never saw any one say E was to technical for them. I saw some who never changed the defaults, but never anyone who thought it too technical. -Thomas From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 21:22:39 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:22:39 -0400 Subject: KDE 3.1.4 maybe ? In-Reply-To: ; from warlock_ba@hotmail.com on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 01:09:50PM +0300 References: Message-ID: <20030926172239.A20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Botoaca Andrei (warlock_ba at hotmail.com) said: > I won't be a b*tch about it ... but is there any date know for KDE 3.1.4 > including in severn ? (Because I saw that SuSE has updates for it already > ...). > I saw it was out for a while, and no KDE 3.1.4 in Severn2 ... although i > hoped so ... Than (our KDE maintainer) was out for a while, probably it will get in after he gets back. Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 21:26:09 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:26:09 -0400 Subject: XFree86 weirdness: no neomagic but fb? - Solved In-Reply-To: <1064598890.6085.2.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl>; from fedora@puzzled.xs4all.nl on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 07:54:50PM +0200 References: <1064597610.4639.15.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> <1064598890.6085.2.camel@guru.puzzled.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20030926172609.C20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Patrick (fedora at puzzled.xs4all.nl) said: > All is well now. I had to disable the RandR extension. Is this known or > do I have to file a bugreport? Sure, file a bug report. Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 21:26:48 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:26:48 -0400 Subject: problems with e1000 network and sound In-Reply-To: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net>; from martin@osprog.net on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 12:38:43PM -0500 References: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net> Message-ID: <20030926172648.D20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > i've tried disabling hyperthreading in bios. also tried > booting with 'noacpi' and 'acpi=off'. ACPI is off by default. What happens if you boot with 'acpi=on'? Bill From laroche at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 21:39:54 2003 From: laroche at redhat.com (Florian La Roche) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:39:54 +0200 Subject: KDE 3.1.4 maybe ? In-Reply-To: <20030926172239.A20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926172239.A20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030926213954.GA19213@dudweiler.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 05:22:39PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Botoaca Andrei (warlock_ba at hotmail.com) said: > > I won't be a b*tch about it ... but is there any date know for KDE 3.1.4 > > including in severn ? (Because I saw that SuSE has updates for it already > > ...). > > I saw it was out for a while, and no KDE 3.1.4 in Severn2 ... although i > > hoped so ... > > Than (our KDE maintainer) was out for a while, probably it will get > in after he gets back. ftp.kde.org has already the 3.1.4 rpms for RHL9 and Than will probably soon build that release also into Severn/rawhide. cu, Florian La Roche From martin at osprog.net Fri Sep 26 21:45:38 2003 From: martin at osprog.net (Martin) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:45:38 -0500 Subject: problems with e1000 network and sound In-Reply-To: <20030926172648.D20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net> <20030926172648.D20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F74B382.7010407@osprog.net> Bill Nottingham wrote: >>i've tried disabling hyperthreading in bios. also tried >>booting with 'noacpi' and 'acpi=off'. >> >> > >ACPI is off by default. What happens if you boot with 'acpi=on'? > > > that did it. it works now. was there a change in acpi since severn 1? sound still doesn't work. but i can live without it till in can investigate more. thanks marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xose at wanadoo.es Fri Sep 26 22:03:07 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:03:07 +0200 Subject: not HTML References: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net> <20030926172648.D20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F74B382.7010407@osprog.net> Message-ID: <3F74B79B.3050907@wanadoo.es> Martin wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: > >>>i've tried disabling hyperthreading in bios. also tried >>>booting with 'noacpi' and 'acpi=off'. >>> >>> >> >>ACPI is off by default. What happens if you boot with 'acpi=on'? >> >> >> > that did it. it works now. was there a change in acpi since severn 1? > > sound still doesn't work. but i can live without it till in can > investigate more. > > thanks > > marty > please, not HTML. -thanks- -- Smoking Crack Often From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 22:22:07 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:22:07 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org>; from thacker@math.cornell.edu on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:15:29AM -0400 References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20030926182207.A23163@devserv.devel.redhat.com> John Alexander Thacker (thacker at math.cornell.edu) said: > This would be fine except that, after an upgrade from RHL 9, > redhat-config-packges still seems to think that RHL 9 is installed instead > of Fedora Core 0.94. That is, the packages and groups it lists as choices to > add are still those of RHL 9, including removed packages like LPRng. > (This also leads to things like package groups being listed as "not installed" > due to the removal of packages like libunicode-devel.) Was this upgrade done with the installer? What does 'rpm -q comps' say? Bill From notting at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 22:26:22 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:26:22 -0400 Subject: problems with e1000 network and sound In-Reply-To: <3F74B382.7010407@osprog.net>; from martin@osprog.net on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 04:45:38PM -0500 References: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net> <20030926172648.D20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F74B382.7010407@osprog.net> Message-ID: <20030926182622.B23163@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Martin (martin at osprog.net) said: > that did it. it works now. was there a change in acpi since severn 1? Yes, see the release notes. > sound still doesn't work. but i can live without it till in can > investigate more. lspci output? Bill From bill at noreboots.com Fri Sep 26 22:27:38 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 26 Sep 2003 16:27:38 -0600 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064615258.22337.38.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:04, Michael Fulbright wrote: > Option #2. Though what you're asking for might not be too hard to do. > > I'd like to change the networking configuration in anaconda to like it > used to be pre-7 I think, ie. you only configure the network devices > required to do the install. If you do a CD install you don't get asked > to configure networking at all. I think this makes more sense to be > something you do on firstboot. That way you can use the tool we've > designed specifically for the task, not a 1000 line python tool we > hacked into anaconda. > > Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to make > anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot and run > redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software you want. > That way we could put all our effort into that tool which you will use > many times, instead of the installer which you use once every many many > months. +1 +1 +1 -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Fri Sep 26 22:30:58 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 26 Sep 2003 16:30:58 -0600 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <200309261555.h8QFt1i00668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309261555.h8QFt1i00668@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064615458.22276.40.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:55, Alan Cox wrote: > > GNOME and KDE have not undergone any fundemental changes since RHL 9 > > (GNOME 2.2 => GNOME 2.4 is mostly features in individual apps.) > > 2.2->2.4 removed a DNS lookup from several bits of gnome startup > Nautilus is also reported to have significant speed-ups in 2.4. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Fri Sep 26 22:36:55 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 26 Sep 2003 16:36:55 -0600 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <1064615815.22268.42.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:04, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Sep 26, 2003, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:57, Philip Wyett wrote: > >> - Beep when graphical login appears is just bloody annoying, but > >> I could live with it! :) > > > Idea is to let blind users know when to start typing, IIRC. > > Another reason I love it is that now I can tell when my headless boxes > have completed booting :-) Why run X on a headless box? Just curious. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Fri Sep 26 22:39:59 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 26 Sep 2003 16:39:59 -0600 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064615999.22268.45.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 08:51, Michael Fulbright wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 05:28, Gene C. wrote: > > 1. Option for selecting individual packages during install seems to be missing > > (bugzilla 105646). > > > > Intentional. We recommend using redhat-config-packages if you have > additional software to install not covered by the component groups > screen. We're going to a model where everything interesting (as the > designer of the comps file deems it) has to be in a component group in > the comps file. I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get > through the install quickly w/o alot of questions and then use a tool > designed for the task (in this case, redhat-config-packages) to complete > the operation. But I like to *deselect* packages as well during install, will that be an option? To me this eliminates the usefulness of "optional" in the files. I tis either mandatory or not installed. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From thacker at math.cornell.edu Fri Sep 26 22:47:57 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:47:57 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <20030926182207.A23163@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org> <20030926182207.A23163@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030926224757.GA3336@thacker.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 06:22:07PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > John Alexander Thacker (thacker at math.cornell.edu) said: > > This would be fine except that, after an upgrade from RHL 9, > > redhat-config-packges still seems to think that RHL 9 is installed instead > > of Fedora Core 0.94. That is, the packages and groups it lists as choices to > > add are still those of RHL 9, including removed packages like LPRng. > > (This also leads to things like package groups being listed as "not installed" > > due to the removal of packages like libunicode-devel.) > > Was this upgrade done with the installer? Yes. > What does 'rpm -q comps' say? [jat48 at thacker jat48]$ rpm -q comps comps-9-0.20030313 Aha. Hmm, the same thing happened with rpmdb-redhat, although I did upgrade that by hand. I didn't know about comps. 0.94 < 9, so the installer apparently didn't do the upgrade, since the RHL 9 package looked newer to rpm. In fact to upgrade comps right now I have to use --force. After doing that upgrade it seems to work better, with only a few references to groups referencing packages which don't exist anymore. Those errors don't seem to be critical. John From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Sep 26 23:02:17 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Sep 2003 20:02:17 -0300 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064615815.22268.42.camel@locutus> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> <1064615815.22268.42.camel@locutus> Message-ID: On Sep 26, 2003, Bill Anderson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:04, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Another reason I love it is that now I can tell when my headless boxes >> have completed booting :-) > Why run X on a headless box? Just curious. Well, it's not *really* headless. It's just one of two machines that can be connected to a single monitor, none of which are frequently used as desktops (although they may), and are more often used as build servers and backup storage. The beep is also nice to tell when the laptop in the living room finished booting :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From bill at noreboots.com Fri Sep 26 22:59:02 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 26 Sep 2003 16:59:02 -0600 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064617142.22337.52.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 08:10, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I compared Windows XP and RHL 9 on a Dell Laptop (C610) > > CPU: 1000MHZ > RAM: 256MB > > Software: > > OS: WinXP RHL 9 > Open office OpenOffice > MS Office 2k MS Office 2k > > > Software startup times: > WinXP RHL 9 > (s) (s) > OS bootup 37 70 Can we see a copy of /var/log/bootlog to see what all was started during boot up? > > Login 8 21 Is this runlevel 5 login, or console login and startx? > Def Browser 1 7 > Word 2k 4 6 > Open Office 10 21 I don't think these are apples->apples. Here is why: 1) Default browser: are they different browsers? Mozilla is available on both platforms, use that then compare. 2) I take it Word 2k is done in Crossover? 3) Open Office loads the needed guts for most of Open Office, whereas W2k only opens W2k. > 1. If Open Source writes better software; then why is it fatter and > slower? One does not require the other. And finally, how was the timing done. Are we talking wall clock or what? -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Fri Sep 26 23:01:26 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 26 Sep 2003 17:01:26 -0600 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064617286.22276.54.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:23, Stephan Schutter wrote: > I diabled this feature... for fairness... How about some test w/it on so we can see the actual difference in that option. Cuz you know, it's so integrated you can't separate them. ;) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From bill at noreboots.com Fri Sep 26 23:04:46 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 26 Sep 2003 17:04:46 -0600 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064617485.22275.57.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:21, Stephan Schutter wrote: > > > - it's a complex and sophisticated client/server, network-transparent > > windowing system, whereas on windows you have a simple pc gui: > > single-user, and local-only. you're not really comparing apples to apples. > > > WinXP is multi user. Like 2000 server it has RDP and supports multiple > logins... 2000 server (in app mode) and XP (app mode is disabled in the > registry) 2003 (app) all have the multiuser kernel. so apples are > apples. :=) No, Windows is *not* a networked windowing system. Multi-user is a separate issue. > > Even so, linux desktop performance is not bad, apart from pathological > > cases like yours - and is getting better. Just as all the server room > > shortcomings were addressed, so now the desktop shortcomings are being > > addressed. > > > I gave a RHL CD set to one of my coleagues and the first thing out of his > mouth was: "it's slow". Hows that for first impressions? I've given CDs to people and their response is "wow, that's pretty quick!" How is that for first impressions? (BTW, I do that a lot in my job) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Fri Sep 26 23:10:36 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:10:36 +0200 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064615815.22268.42.camel@locutus> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> <1064615815.22268.42.camel@locutus> Message-ID: <1064617835.1327.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 00:36, Bill Anderson wrote: > Why run X on a headless box? Just curious. To run remote, graphical apps, for example. I use kdm with XDMCP enabled on several boxes, and then run "Xnvc -query localhost" on top to get a remote GUI. From pri.rhl1 at iadonisi.to Fri Sep 26 23:22:09 2003 From: pri.rhl1 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: 26 Sep 2003 19:22:09 -0400 Subject: DNS wildcards (was: Re: problems with samba 3) In-Reply-To: <20030926132846.A25957@mail.harddata.com> References: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> <20030926132846.A25957@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1064618529.8805.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:28, Michal Jaegermann wrote: [snip] > A solution turned out to be to explictitely declare a name > resolution order to 'winbind lmhosts ....', or whatever that is > called, in smb.conf. I do not have Samba here so I cannot check > that directive but it is mentioned explicitely in one of 'BROWSING' > documents. If your customer has control of his DNS server and it's running bind, then the delegation-only patch can be applied and then he can list all the gTLDs /etc/named.conf. There may be patches for other DNS servers as well. I applied the patch at www.isc.org and am now happily seeing the normal, non-Verisign corrupted dns behavior. (The version in rawhide is actually a bit outdated. It's 9.2.2-P1 and ISC recommends 9.2.2-P3.) At least until they circumvent it some other way. *sigh* -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From p.dicken at web.de Fri Sep 26 23:37:41 2003 From: p.dicken at web.de (Peer Dicken) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:37:41 +0200 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <82034140.20030927013741@web.de> Hello fedora-test-list, I'd like to install fedora rc2. I have got an MSI K72NG Mainboard with an integrated SATA-Raid controller (promise fasttrack S150tx2plus chipset). I know there are drivers from promise.com - these drivers work perfectly with RH9, but not with fedora. Please, anyone who has installed fedora on a comparable system, give me some help. Thanks! -- Best regards, Peer mailto:p.dicken at web.de From dennis at ausil.us Fri Sep 26 23:37:52 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:37:52 +1000 Subject: redhat-config-packages bugs Message-ID: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> i did an upgrade on my laptop from Red Hat 9 to test 2. i personally don't use Gnome and normally don't have it installed a friend wanted to see gnome in action so i went to redhat-config-packages it told me i had no kde and no gnome packages installed. i have all kde and some gnome stuff as i like to use applications such as gnomemeeting. i selected all gnome packages to be installed and got dependencie errors over pspell and aspell deselected gedit and promptly got asked for Red Hat 9 CD 1it would not continue with the install so i did the install manually and ran redhat-config-packages again to see what it would show and again no kde or gnome packages are installed. in the games it shows i have kdegames installed so its getting some but not the main desktop ones. anyone seen anything simmiliar Dennis From p.dicken at web.de Fri Sep 26 23:41:32 2003 From: p.dicken at web.de (Peer Dicken) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:41:32 +0200 Subject: (no subject) <- IS subject fedora vs. promise raid controller fasttrack S150tx2plus on msi k72ng board In-Reply-To: <82034140.20030927013741@web.de> References: <82034140.20030927013741@web.de> Message-ID: <1862264640.20030927014132@web.de> Hello Peer, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 1:37:41 AM, you wrote: (no subject) damn, hitting "send" too fast :-) Sorry. -- Best regards, Peer mailto:p.dicken at web.de From dennis at ausil.us Fri Sep 26 23:41:57 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:41:57 +1000 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 and dual head Message-ID: <200309270942.02490.dennis@ausil.us> i went to setup dual head on my desktop using redhat-config-xfree86 and got the message in the dual head section saying "dual-head stuff will go in here" when will the packages that have this functionality be released? there are screenshots on fedora.redhat.com of it in action. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From michal at harddata.com Fri Sep 26 23:54:48 2003 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:54:48 -0600 Subject: DNS wildcards (was: Re: problems with samba 3) In-Reply-To: <1064618529.8805.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org>; from pri.rhl1@iadonisi.to on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 07:22:09PM -0400 References: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> <20030926132846.A25957@mail.harddata.com> <1064618529.8805.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <20030926175448.A31357@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 07:22:09PM -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:28, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > [snip] > > > A solution turned out to be to explictitely declare a name > > resolution order to 'winbind lmhosts ....', > > If your customer has control of his DNS server Stop right here! :-) > and it's running bind, No, they are not running bind. > then the delegation-only patch can be applied I was pondering about that possibility, and I would do something of that sort if I would have no other way out, but in this particular situation that would meant other kind of trouble on a long run. It is much healthier if they do not run more than really necessary. :-) Anyway, my response was just a suggestion that a reported Samba trouble could have similar reasons and it is worth to check that. It also good to keep that in mind if you see something like that yourself. It would definitely gain me some sleep hours ... Michal From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Sep 26 23:53:38 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:53:38 +0200 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <20030926224757.GA3336@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org> <20030926182207.A23163@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030926224757.GA3336@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20030927015338.20d64eb8.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:47:57 -0400, John Alexander Thacker wrote: > > Was this upgrade done with the installer? > > Yes. > > > What does 'rpm -q comps' say? > > [jat48 at thacker jat48]$ rpm -q comps > comps-9-0.20030313 > > Aha. Hmm, the same thing happened with rpmdb-redhat, although I did upgrade > that by hand. I didn't know about comps. > > 0.94 < 9, so the installer apparently didn't do the upgrade, since the RHL > 9 package looked newer to rpm. And a higher epoch was not set either. > In fact to upgrade comps right now I have > to use --force. Don't. Use --oldpackage instead. It's safer. - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/dNGC0iMVcrivHFQRAv54AKCAuFCsBRe+Ef4RBVzLr93opjOaewCdHr5l Fv2bF5IDweL/tfj5+Golfxs= =ClW5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jbinpg at shaw.ca Sat Sep 27 00:45:46 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:45:46 -0700 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030926000201.GA476@ee.oulu.fi> <1064588648.18654.13.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030927004546.GA19266@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:04:08AM -0400, Michael Fulbright wrote: [snip] > Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to make > anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot and run > redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software you want. > That way we could put all our effort into that tool which you will use > many times, instead of the installer which you use once every many many > months. OK. You're now on my Christmas list. Saner heads are working at Red Hat. -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From mark at mitre.org Sat Sep 27 01:30:50 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (mark) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:30:50 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 and dual head In-Reply-To: <200309270942.02490.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309270942.02490.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <3F74E84A.5020406@mitre.org> Dennis Gilmore wrote: >i went to setup dual head on my desktop using redhat-config-xfree86 and got >the message in the dual head section saying "dual-head stuff will go in here" >when will the packages that have this functionality be released? there are >screenshots on fedora.redhat.com of it in action. > > The dual head code is ~ running in the CVS pull here if you're so adventurous: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/config-tools/redhat-config-xfree86.html From wickert at muenster.de Sat Sep 27 01:34:19 2003 From: wickert at muenster.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:34:19 +0200 Subject: Network: "Hisax device eth0" Message-ID: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> Hi! > [root at hal9000 root]# ifup eth0 > /sbin/ifup: configuration for eth0 not found. but config for eth0 existed and was ok. After starting redhat-config-network, it seemed to work. > [root at hal9000 root]# ifup eth0 > [root at hal9000 root]# ifconfig > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > ... no eth0, but now i've got a new eth1! > [root at hal9000 root]# /etc/init.d/network restart > Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] > Setting network parameters: [ OK ] > Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] > Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] > Bringing up interface eth1: hisax device eth1 does not seem to be > present, delaying initialization. > [FAILED] > [root at hal9000 root]# route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref > Use Iface > 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo Why "hisax device eth1"??? I've a Fritzcard PCI ISDN Card, but that is configured properly as ippp0. Have there been any significant changes in the networking-skripts since RH9A? Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:wickert at muenster.de From cln at stjoelive.com Sat Sep 27 02:07:16 2003 From: cln at stjoelive.com (Cameron Newton) Date: 26 Sep 2003 21:07:16 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-packages doesn't accept the Fedora Core 0.94 discs on package install Message-ID: <1064628436.3843.5.camel@sprucegoose> it seems to just ask for the disc over and over again... i have tested this on two PCs... any ideas? From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Sep 27 02:53:41 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:53:41 +0700 Subject: To 2.6 kernel users: patched modutils.spec with included modprobe.conf.5 Message-ID: <1064631220.15148.4.camel@bushido> Dear all, After trying in vain to read the manpage for modprobe.conf online, I thought I'd just add it to Red Hat's modutils RPM for the benefit of all those testing Arjan's 2.6 kernels or just vanilla kernels... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105760 The patch itself could be found here: http://salimma.freeshell.org/files/SPECS/modutils.spec.diff Enjoy :) - Michel From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Sep 27 03:22:37 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:22:37 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 Message-ID: <3F75027D.8090203@tampabay.rr.com> Hey group, I just installed Fedora Core Test 2. What repo's can I point to so I can get the standard fedora packages? I want to install things like MPlayer, etc. Thanks, Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 03:30:31 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:30:31 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-packages doesn't accept the Fedora Core 0.94 =?iso-8859-1?q?discs=09on=20package?= install In-Reply-To: <1064628436.3843.5.camel@sprucegoose> References: <1064628436.3843.5.camel@sprucegoose> Message-ID: <200309262330.31133.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 26, 2003 10:07 pm, Cameron Newton Cameron Newton wrote: > it seems to just ask for the disc over and over again... > i have tested this on two PCs... > > any ideas? > something like this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103556 Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Sep 27 04:01:38 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:01:38 +0700 Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <3F75027D.8090203@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F75027D.8090203@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064635298.15148.12.camel@bushido> Hi Jim, On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 10:22, Jim Drabb wrote: > I just installed Fedora Core Test 2. What repo's can I point to > so I can get the standard fedora packages? I want to install things > like MPlayer, etc. > Check out http://shrike.freshrpms.net and http://fedora.us - you might have to recompile packages as they are still being compiled against RH9; FreshRPMS' totem certainly needs recompiling, but everything you need should be there/linked from there. Regards, Michel (just started his BT download) From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 27 04:28:52 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:28:52 -0700 Subject: observations from 0.94 Message-ID: <1064636932.4279.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> A few observations on 0.94: The "Upgrade existing installation" option tries to do a "mount -a". Is this new? It was failing because my 1394 drive was turned off. But I probably should not have "auto" for that in fstab anyway I had KDE as my default desktop. The upgrade set it back to GNOME. Might this be because I had tinkered with my gdm configuration (added non-RH GNOME and KDE to the options)? Is there anyway to disable the "beep" on the login screen? From hp at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 04:27:56 2003 From: hp at redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) Date: 27 Sep 2003 00:27:56 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F747226.8010509@tmsusa.com> References: <3F747226.8010509@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <1064636876.3806.61.camel@dhcppc3> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 13:06, Joe wrote: > One thing that people fail to realize is that X11 is fairly heavyweight > - it's a complex and sophisticated client/server, network-transparent > windowing system, whereas on windows you have a simple pc gui: > single-user, and local-only. you're not really comparing apples to apples. > Not really accurate. When the X11 protocol was stamped final, it ran just fine on hardware you wouldn't even think of using today. X11 hasn't changed in fundamental ways since then. "Network transparency makes it heavier" is just not true, invented because someone thought it sounded logical, and repeated ever since. If you know the code and architecture of the desktop it doesn't sound logical anymore, and profiles don't seem to support this view either. The memory usage of your X server has to do with apps allocating a ton of windowing system resources. If those resources were allocated with system calls instead of protocol requests, they would still be allocated. The CPU usage has to do with performing the windowing operations, not with requesting them. UNIX domain sockets on Linux are not hugely more expensive than memcpy, and X protocol is fairly compact. People hear "network" and think "Internet", but that isn't accurate. The latency is tiny. We are copying from one app to another in system RAM, not going out on any wires. Even if the latency were high performance can be pretty reasonable; try NX from nomachine.com sometime (after the slashdotting dies down, they were just on there I think). X seems slower than Windows yes - a) it often is because of bad drivers or whatever b) many of the apps aren't performance tuned properly; profilers don't show window system resource usage c) it lacks facilities to make things look smooth/unflickery, extensions are needed for this. There are surely other reasons. You can find huge threads on this in xfree86, etc. archives if you look. Havoc From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 04:45:59 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:45:59 +0800 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F751607.1070203@postnewspapers.com.au> > I vote that the installer PnP all the hardware. Full stop. Why would you > not want to do that????? The installer may well do the hardware detection. The idea, however, is that the majority of the install process will happen after the machine has rebooted and started up off the hard disk. This way, less time is wasted testing with dodgy hardware, you have more control during install, and the actual on-CD installer can be much smaller, simpler, and easier to maintain. Think of it this way: the CD's job is to make the machine bootable, but not much more. Partitioning, os core copy, etc. After reboot, the "install" continues when more packages are fetched off CD (or other mechanisms), more auto-detection is done, etc. There's much less duplication of effort to use (say) a cdrw-config tool for initial setup too, instead of having to essentially duplicate it's job in the installer. It would not be at all difficult to have the hardware auto-detect happen quite transparently, just as if it were off the CD - just do it during firstboot. You could always re-run the same detection later, too, as a nice bonus. I think the idea is really to simplify the "install" and move much of what's done in the relatively clumsy and hard to maintain install environment to firstboot, where it can share tools the rest of the OS uses, has a more complete environment available, etc. Craig Ringer From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 27 04:46:32 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:46:32 -0700 Subject: More 0.94 issues In-Reply-To: <3F7480C2.2070109@tmsusa.com> References: <200309261752.h8QHqZ704851@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> <3F7480C2.2070109@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <1064637992.4279.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 11:09, Joe wrote: > > No matter what I try, CD #1 and #3 fail mediacheck, CD #2 passes - so I > have a nice pile of severn2 CD #1s. > I also saw this problem. Using a lower speed helped a bit, but finally on the advice of a colleague I decided to figure out how to install from HD partition. Good experience. I think next time I do a clean install I'll make a 5GB partition just for this purpose. From rhl at farorbit.com Sat Sep 27 04:49:23 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:49:23 -0500 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1064617142.22337.52.camel@locutus> References: <1064617142.22337.52.camel@locutus> Message-ID: <3F7516D3.6000508@farorbit.com> Bill Anderson wrote: > > >Can we see a copy of /var/log/bootlog to see what all was started during >boot up? > > > I will send this as soon as I get back to work... nothing special; just the default setup... You know, I was thinking (warning): why not do the rc scripts so that some things occur in paralell? For example; if there are services that need to start and they do not depend on networking being started, then why not launch them in paralell, in the background? Forking the startup process tree and maximizing the IO bandwidth utilization, and CPU, would make the bootup fast (important on laptops; because you start them and stop them all the time as you need to). > >Is this runlevel 5 login, or console login and startx? > > runlevel 5, after shutdown -r now... >> 21 >> >> > >I don't think these are apples->apples. >Here is why: >1) Default browser: are they different browsers? Mozilla is available on >both platforms, use that then compare. >2) I take it Word 2k is done in Crossover? >3) Open Office loads the needed guts for most of Open Office, whereas >W2k only opens W2k. > > 1) good point; this is another app to test (that is fair)... But remember, the drooling end user only knows that it is "the internet" and does not distinguish between mozilla or IE. Perhaps coosing default browser carefully would help here as well. But I will give you new timings next week. 2) Your astuteness is only surpassed by your grace good sir! This is like running a 16 bit app on NT... no complaints here. It works quite smoothly (I use it daily at work(exposure testing ;=) )), performance is OK. Not bad for something running in app compatabillity mode. 3) Shame on them! >One does not require the other. > >And finally, how was the timing done. Are we talking wall clock or what? > > Just stop watch. After all, we are talking about end user impressions, so we do not need millisecond acuracy? From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 04:50:13 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:50:13 +0800 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064617835.1327.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> <1064615815.22268.42.camel@locutus> <1064617835.1327.1.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <3F751705.5090400@postnewspapers.com.au> >>Why run X on a headless box? Just curious. > > To run remote, graphical apps, for example. I use kdm with XDMCP enabled > on several boxes, and then run "Xnvc -query localhost" on top to get a > remote GUI. In that case, you're often better off running GDM without a local X server. GDM can be configued to XDMCP-only mode very easily: just comment out "0=Standard" in the [servers] section of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, and enable XDMCP under the [xdmcp] section. Woohoo, you're done. You then have a box with local command-line only (you can still "startx" or "X -query localhost" to get a graphical session) but you can get GUI sessions remotely with "X -query targethost" or "Xnest -query targethost". I use this configuration on the LTSP terminal server at work. X seems to be the #1 reliability issue with linux, and I'm happy to keep it off my servers when possible. Craig Ringer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 04:54:19 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:54:19 +0800 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <1064604332.477.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> <200309260948.58701.hosting@j2solutions.net> <1064602643.2806.48.camel@gmaeding> <1064604332.477.15.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7517FB.7050800@postnewspapers.com.au> > If you have an Athlon, the installer should properly detect that and > install the athlon kernel. If it doesn't, that's a bug. > > There's also now a (undocumented, could go away someday) boot time > option that you can use with 'linux rpmarch=i586' to override the > detection for all those people that have asked about doing the install > on an i686 machine and then moving the hard drive to their i586 box > afterwards. Ooh. Since the installer is doing auto-detection of arch, I do hope that option doesn't go away. I have a NSC Geode here that most things see as i586, but it doesn't have a working TSC so the pentium kernel will generally crash, and it actually performs better with i486 code (despite supporting MMX). Odd hardware like this is far from unknown, so if nothing else the option to force the use of i386 packages would be handy to always have. There's also the install portability issue previously mentioned. Craig Ringer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 04:59:09 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:59:09 +0800 Subject: DNS wildcards In-Reply-To: <20030926175448.A31357@mail.harddata.com> References: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> <20030926132846.A25957@mail.harddata.com> <1064618529.8805.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <20030926175448.A31357@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <3F75191D.4010709@postnewspapers.com.au> >> If your customer has control of his DNS server > > Stop right here! :-) Hmm... a number of local ISPs here are considering doing their own fixes a the level of their nameservers. Perhaps you could persuade the client's upstream to do the same thing? It'd probably help their spam filters get back to full performance, too. Craig Ringer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 05:01:09 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:01:09 +0800 Subject: redhat-config-packages bugs In-Reply-To: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <3F751995.2030606@postnewspapers.com.au> > i did an upgrade on my laptop from Red Hat 9 to test 2. You're better off clean-installing the betas. Craig Ringer From wooandy at mac.com Sat Sep 27 05:05:14 2003 From: wooandy at mac.com (Andy Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:05:14 +0800 Subject: Install problem with Fedora Test 2 (Test 1 was fine!) In-Reply-To: <3F751995.2030606@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <2E22823C-F0A8-11D7-9FA1-00039318217E@mac.com> Hi, Fedora Test 1 installed fine. However, when I install the Test 2 to the same machine, it displays the following message during system boot up. I media-checked 3 disc and they are passed. Running anaconda, the Fedora Core system installer - please wait ... 'import site' failed: use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/anaconda/isys.py", line 22, in ? from rhpl.log import log ImportError: No module named rhpl.log install exited abnormally sending termination signals...done sending kill signals...done disabling swap... umounting filesystems... /mnt/runtime done disabling /dev/loop0 /proc/bus/usb done /proc done /dev/pts done /tmp/ramfs done /mnt/source done you may safety reboot your system Best Regards, Andy www.wookieweb.com From ba at linuxin.dk Sat Sep 27 05:36:45 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:36:45 +0200 Subject: problems with e1000 network and sound In-Reply-To: <3F74B382.7010407@osprog.net> References: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net> <20030926172648.D20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F74B382.7010407@osprog.net> Message-ID: <1064641005.5674.4.camel@Linux1> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 23:45, Martin wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > i've tried disabling hyperthreading in bios. also tried > > > booting with 'noacpi' and 'acpi=off'. > > > > > > > ACPI is off by default. What happens if you boot with 'acpi=on'? > > > > > > that did it. it works now. was there a change in acpi since severn > 1? > > sound still doesn't work. but i can live without it till in can > investigate more. > > thanks > > marty Where did you put acpi=on? In bios? I have had this problem since RedHat 9, and its the same in the kernel found here: http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/severn/ Im running Intel Perl 800 MB and P4 HT. Cheers Bjorn Andersen http://www.linuxin.dk Linux. Because making UNIX user friendly is easier then debugging Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sat Sep 27 05:43:53 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: problems with e1000 network and sound In-Reply-To: <1064641005.5674.4.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Bjorn Andersen wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 23:45, Martin wrote: > > > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > > > i've tried disabling hyperthreading in bios. also tried > > > > booting with 'noacpi' and 'acpi=off'. > > > > > > > > > > ACPI is off by default. What happens if you boot with 'acpi=on'? > > > > > > > > > > that did it. it works now. was there a change in acpi since severn > > 1? > > > > sound still doesn't work. but i can live without it till in can > > investigate more. > > > > thanks > > > > marty > > > Where did you put acpi=on? In bios? In grub. Edit /etc/grub.conf and add it to the kernel line in there. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From angela at kahealani.com Sat Sep 27 06:07:32 2003 From: angela at kahealani.com (Angela Kahealani) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:07:32 -1000 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) References: Message-ID: <3F75290E.669CF77D@kahealani.com> Ingo Molnar wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: > > > Timings are average of 5 launches. [...] I suppose if you're evaluating a system like WinDOwS or MacOS References: <3F75290E.669CF77D@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <3F752B5C.3090504@postnewspapers.com.au> >>>Timings are average of 5 launches. [...] > > I suppose if you're evaluating a system like WinDOwS or MacOS then boot time and launch time ARE the most signifigant times to evaluate. > On a UNIX based system (CRAM the trademark, it's a generic term) > you boot once, launch once, and just use it day after day after day > after day... This isn't always true. Many people /prefer/ to shut machines down when not using them for long periods, for a variety of reasons. Noise can be a big one; power consumption is also significant. Some people also need to dual boot to use the machine for everything they want to be able to do - in this case, boot times are /very/ significant. That said, it's only one bit of the whole performance area, and for many a totally insignificant one. For example, I don't care if the dual xeon at work takes 10 minutes to boot (well... unless I've had to do an emergency outage during production time - *uggh*) but I care if my desktop takes long at all. IMHO, it'll be much easier to make the "who cares how long it takes to boot" argument once swsusp is reliable and quirk-free on most hardware and ACPI support is working well (so you can drop to S3 with no fuss). With the current state of power management under linux, it's often just not practical to leave machines on all the time. So... put me down as someone who cares very much indeed about boot times. I'm lucky that swsusp works well on my laptop, but my desktop appears to be a no-hoper for any kind of decent PM under Linux at the moment. Sure, I don't think they're critical, and there are lots of things that are vastly more important - but I do care how long the system takes to be useable. For this reason, I'm quite interested in the possibility, in future, of integrating a parellised rcS/run-parts to allow the execution of multiple non-interdependent boot processes at the same time. This would be especially handy when one is waiting on disk I/O while another is thrashing the CPU, etc. Craig Ringer From mingo at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 06:25:16 2003 From: mingo at redhat.com (Ingo Molnar) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: > NOTE: I also disabled preloading of both OO and MSO2k... to be fair and > not delay login times... note that prelinking is different and not related to preloading - did you have prelink enabled? (it's default enabled but might take a day on a freshly installed desktop to take full effect.) Ingo From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sat Sep 27 06:42:20 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:42:20 -0300 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064644924.2080.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Em S?b, 2003-09-27 ?s 03:25, Ingo Molnar escreveu: > note that prelinking is different and not related to preloading - did you > have prelink enabled? (it's default enabled but might take a day on a > freshly installed desktop to take full effect.) Ingo, what's exactly is prelink, and how it works? I never heard about it on past RH versions. It's kernel or user level? Regards, Thiago -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis From jakub at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 08:20:12 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:20:12 -0400 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com>; from rjohnson@medata.com on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:42:09AM -0700 References: <1064591304.3040.9.camel@ByteEnable> <3F746C61.8070304@medata.com> Message-ID: <20030927042012.R11756@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:42:09AM -0700, Rick Johnson wrote: > Not to pit distros, but Mandrake compiles for i586 by default, though > they don't really give out any i686 or athlon specific packages (last I > checked). Given that Red Hat's minimum specd hardware is a Pentium class This is not true. mdk compiles by default -march=i586 -mcpu=pentiumpro and we by default -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 There are no real differences between the two, other than psychological (if I remember well, the difference was in expansion of one math builtin or something like that, I'd have to check). i586 ISA has of course some instructions which are not in i386 ISA, but those are not used by GCC. The important switch in both is -mcpu=i686, ie. all code in both distros is optimized for pentiumpro and later. We provide i686 (-march=i686 -mcpu=i686) versions of glibc, openssl, kernel. Also, some program detect CPUs at runtime and contitionally use performance critical code optimized for the current CPU (stuff like SSE, SSE2, etc.). I don't think you'd be able to measure any difference on things like XFree86 libs, maybe XFree86 server. You can try, report the results here and maybe it gets changed if it is a clear win. Jakub From philipwyett at dsl.pipex.com Sat Sep 27 08:45:29 2003 From: philipwyett at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Wyett) Date: 27 Sep 2003 09:45:29 +0100 Subject: Initial look at Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> Message-ID: <1064652329.3084.8.camel@rh9> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 14:55, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:57, Philip Wyett wrote: > > - Beep when graphical login appears is just bloody annoying, but > > I could live with it! :) > > Idea is to let blind users know when to start typing, IIRC. Yes, that was the reason I suspected the beep was implemented for. A good idea and no worries - ater a while I doubt I'll even notice it. :) > > > - Alot of the apps when started maximised have a problem in the top > > right corner of the screen - see: > > This one is already in bugzilla. Good to know. > > > I'll keep my powder dry on Gaim bugs as I think Havoc will soon > > rawhide 0.69. > > Chris Blizzard owns gaim, don't try to load me up with more work. ;-) > Oops - Sorry! :) Ok, I'll wait for Chris Blizzard to rawhide it. Regards Phil -- Email: philipwyett at dsl.pipex.com Website: http://www.philipwyett.dsl.pipex.com Public key: http://www.philipwyett.dsl.pipex.com/gpg/public_key.txt -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jakub at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 09:09:47 2003 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:09:47 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1064644924.2080.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from tvinhas@techbyte.com.br on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:42:20AM -0300 References: <1064644924.2080.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030927050947.S11756@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:42:20AM -0300, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Em S?b, 2003-09-27 ?s 03:25, Ingo Molnar escreveu: > > note that prelinking is different and not related to preloading - did you > > have prelink enabled? (it's default enabled but might take a day on a > > freshly installed desktop to take full effect.) > > Ingo, what's exactly is prelink, and how it works? I never heard about > it on past RH versions. It's kernel or user level? See man prelink. In short, it is a tool which modifies binaries/libraries, such that they can be started faster. If you run applications with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=statistics, you see results like this: LD_DEBUG=statistics konqueror 17726: 17726: runtime linker statistics: 17726: total startup time in dynamic loader: 136644448 clock cycles 17726: time needed for relocation: 132727549 clock cycles (97.1%) 17726: number of relocations: 25536 17726: number of relocations from cache: 59201 17726: time needed to load objects: 3581812 clock cycles (2.6%) (this is not prelinked binary). prelink cannot do anything about "time needed to load objects", but it can drastically decrease "time needed for relocations" (which in this example takes 97.1% of the startup time in ld.so). There are no relocations to be applied in prelinked binaries and libraries they are linked against, only conflict fixups which are typically much fewer than relocs and don't need any symbol lookups (the most costly part of relocating). But note that time spent in the dynamic linker is just one part of the time spent since you run say a GUI command till it paints its windows and is ready to be used. The other time is spent in aplication code which prelink cannot influence much. The modifications of the binaries/libraries is such that if any of the dependent libraries are e.g. upgraded or otherwise modified, the binaries or libraries still work, but cannot use prelinking until they are reprelinked again (this is by default on Fedora Core Test 2 done nightly in a cron job if needed) and when the user desires so the binaries/libraries can be reverted back (unprelinked) into the original image. Other than speeding up time spent in ld.so for relocating the binary and its libraries, prelink can also speed up slightly execution: a) when prelinking is used, the behaviour is as if LD_BIND_NOW=1 has been specified, ie. there is no lazy binding of initially loaded objects - all needed relocation is done at startup time; this only decreases time you need during first call to a function from given binary or library, second and later calls have the same speed both with and without prelinking b) C++ virtual methods don't need to hop through .plt slot in binary, the tables are modified such that it jumps directly to the desired method (this is just a few cycles, but the difference in speed remains the same until the application exits) Jakub From mitr at volny.cz Sat Sep 27 11:14:11 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:14:11 +0200 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: References: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030927111411.GA23346@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:37:25PM -0500, Stephan Schutter wrote: > Why not use the bitstream free fonts by default???? They look great. Because they don't cover some diacritical marks used in Europe, unlike Luxi. That would result in a "broken desktop" for some users, by default. Mirek From lowen at pari.edu Sat Sep 27 11:47:13 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:47:13 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200309270747.13819.lowen@pari.edu> On Friday 26 September 2003 11:15 am, John Alexander Thacker wrote: > This would be fine except that, after an upgrade from RHL 9, > redhat-config-packges still seems to think that RHL 9 is installed instead > of Fedora Core 0.94. That is, the packages and groups it lists as choices > to add are still those of RHL 9, including removed packages like LPRng. > (This also leads to things like package groups being listed as "not > installed" due to the removal of packages like libunicode-devel.) This is due to the versioning of the comps package. RHL9's version is 9.0; Fedora Core 0.94 has a comps version of 0.94. So rpm -Uvh --oldpackage comps (it is on disc 1, IIRC) and it at least shows the right packages. However, redhat-config-packages still won't work right for me; I insert disc 1 like it wants and it doesn't recognize it as disc 1. Although redhat-config-packages appears to still be a work-in-progress: no preferences are working, sources is hardwired at ALL, etc. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From lowen at pari.edu Sat Sep 27 12:02:17 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:02:17 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-packages bugs In-Reply-To: <200309271745.18102.dennis@ausil.us> References: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> <3F751995.2030606@postnewspapers.com.au> <200309271745.18102.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <200309270802.17305.lowen@pari.edu> On Saturday 27 September 2003 03:45 am, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 27 Sep 2003 3:01 pm, Craig Ringer wrote: > > You're better off clean-installing the betas. > Clean installs defeat the purpose of part of the beta testing process, i.e > how are upgrades handled. if noonw tests an upgrade during beta period how > will upgrade bugs be found? Dennis is very correct here. Upgrades have been a beta test target ever since I first started beta testing back in 6.2 days. While upgrading to a public beta (you do realize that there have been private betas, right (see www.beta.redhat.com)?) should be supported, upgrading from that beta to something else is not, so be prepared to do a clean install for the next step. Or clean reinstall the old system and upgrade. I have done this a number of times. One thing you have to watch out for in the clean reinstall case is if you move your home directory back in with a newer version of some things that store configuration in home. I had a pretty severe problem once (I think it was with a home that had gotten touched by the pre-7.3 beta series) going to RHL 8.0. Had to completely wipe .kde out and reconfigure KDE from scratch. But that is just what a beta tester has to be aware of -- betas can and do break your system. Let the tester beware! So far my home directory has survived in mostly unmangled form since Red Hat Linux 4.2. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From ez2023 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 12:05:05 2003 From: ez2023 at yahoo.com (G Schneider) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: fedora test2: ACPI failure on Sony laptop In-Reply-To: <20030927103504.14439.19911.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030927120505.74563.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> I installed fedora test2 on a Sony GRX700 laptop: ACPI does not work. It works fine on severn beta1 and on RH9 + vanilla 2.4.22 kernel. If I try loading the acpi related modules I get errors like # /sbin/modprobe ac /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o: insmod ac failed in dmesg I find the line ACPI: Subsystem revision 20030916 ACPI: Interpreter disabled. <====== PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd9ca, last bus=2 Instead apm is running, including the apmd daemon. Of course on this laptop acpi is necessary for almost everything. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sat Sep 27 12:16:53 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:16:53 -0300 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 Message-ID: <1064665012.19532.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Hi. I tried to subscribe to the "beta channel" on RHN for severn2, but it doesn't exist. How can I use up2date to get the latest beta updates, like we used to do on the beta1? Regards, Thiago From lowen at pari.edu Sat Sep 27 12:31:52 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:31:52 -0400 Subject: fedora test2: ACPI failure on Sony laptop In-Reply-To: <20030927120505.74563.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030927120505.74563.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200309270831.52763.lowen@pari.edu> On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:05 am, G Schneider wrote: > ACPI does not work. It works fine on severn beta1 and > on RH9 + vanilla 2.4.22 kernel. Add acpi=on to the kernel boot line in /boot/grub/grub.conf. Might want to create a separate boot target for testing ACPI in case the acpi stuff locks you up. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From wickert at muenster.de Sat Sep 27 12:33:25 2003 From: wickert at muenster.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:33:25 +0200 Subject: Broken Desktop (was: beta 1 laptop install and fix) In-Reply-To: <20030927111411.GA23346@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20030927111411.GA23346@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <3F758395.4010705@muenster.de> Miloslav Trmac schrieb: >>Why not use the bitstream free fonts by default???? They look great. >> >> >Because they don't cover some diacritical marks used in Europe, unlike >Luxi. That would result in a "broken desktop" for some users, by >default. > > Since switching to utf8 in RH8, it already is a broken desktop for some users by default. E. g. OpenOffice crashes when using german spelling in connection with utf8 and there are no de_DE.8859-15 at euro locales. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:wickert at muenster.de From foolish at operamail.com Sat Sep 27 12:56:56 2003 From: foolish at operamail.com (sindre pedersen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:56:56 +0100 Subject: Install didn't probe my ethernet card Message-ID: <20030927125656.18762.qmail@operamail.com> I chose to upgrade from my redhat 9 system to fedora test2. The install didn't locate my network-card, a RL-8139/8139C/8139C+ which left me without net. My ethernet model wasn't in the list of cards when I tried to add it using redhat-config-network. I downloaded the latest stable kernel (using my other computer) and installed it. When I booted it, my networking card was in the list of cards. I then rebooted, and here followes the funny part, as I was away from my keyboard for a minute, grub loaded the kernel that came with fedora test2, kernel-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl. kudzu first asked me to remove my ethernet card, then told me to configure it. I added my card using redhat-config-network (it was in the list of cards now) and everything worked fine. My question to you all is: How come I couldn't get the ethernet card to work at first, but installing the latest stable kernel fixed it? Cheers Sindre Pedersen Bj?rdal -- ___________________________________________________ OperaMail free e-mail - http://www.operamail.com OperaMail Premium - 28MB, POP3, more! US$29.99/year Powered by Outblaze From pmatilai at welho.com Sat Sep 27 12:58:12 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:58:12 +0300 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Stephan Schutter : > > Timings are average of 5 launches. Word on linux, suprisingly, is snappier > than OpenOffice... Yeah, I find it rather sickening: MS Office (Word) running in Wine starts AGES before OO even gets around to show the stupid (because it gets in the way) banner. On my laptop startup times are on the order of 5 seconds for Word, 21 for OpenOffice on first launch, 3 vs 10 or so on subsecuent launches. My memory is a bit rusty on details of actual seconds but the order of magintude is the key here. Dunno, kudos to Wine folks I guess.. if an "emulated" application starts up and runs faster than a "native" one... what can I say :-/ -- - Panu - From lowen at pari.edu Sat Sep 27 13:18:46 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:18:46 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <200309270918.46003.lowen@pari.edu> On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:58 am, Panu Matilainen wrote: > Dunno, kudos to Wine folks I guess.. if an "emulated" application starts up > and runs faster than a "native" one... what can I say :-/ Wine Is Not an Emulator. It is an API translator, and acts as a relatively (given what it does) thin one at that. Word on Linux should be nearly as fast as Word on Windows; and I have in fact verified that. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sat Sep 27 13:23:29 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:23:29 -0600 Subject: Fedora2 up2date fails at livna.org load Message-ID: <1064669009.18573.12.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> My up2date program just stops when trying to fetch updates from the stire rpm/http://rpm.livna.org//base/pkglist.redhat/9.0/i386.bz2. The progress log shows complete and the background window moves ahead to the "Skipped Packages" window, but the progress dialog stays there with a 100% indication and up2date itself just stops. I can kill the progress menu and hit "Back" or "Cancel" to get out of this, but I can't go forward. If I disable all non-Redhat sites in the channels list before trying, everything works just fine. Ideas on how to fix this? Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 27 13:20:44 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:20:44 +0200 Subject: redhat-config-packages bugs In-Reply-To: <3F751995.2030606@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> <3F751995.2030606@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <20030927152044.411de447.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:01:09 +0800, Craig Ringer wrote: > > i did an upgrade on my laptop from Red Hat 9 to test 2. > > You're better off clean-installing the betas. And who tests the upgrade path then? - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/dY6s0iMVcrivHFQRAjUeAJ9ZPzoMDbRKTx11L6NJRmSpBAndvwCfdE4K 3BwenF0703uPx4CAhfBVJ2M= =XyVa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mike at netlyncs.com Sat Sep 27 13:33:00 2003 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:33:00 -0500 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: <1064665012.19532.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <1064665012.19532.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1064669580.16101.15.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 07:16, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > I tried to subscribe to the "beta channel" on RHN for severn2, but it > doesn't exist. How can I use up2date to get the latest beta updates, > like we used to do on the beta1? Looks like there isn't a beta/rawhide channel yet for beta 2. Either wait until they get one created, or if you do or can mirror rawhide from somewhere, do that and then just add that local directory to your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file and you won't have to wait. Although currently, rawhide is *behind* severn 2 at the moment. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "Can you hear me now...GOOD!" From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sat Sep 27 13:23:02 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:23:02 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <3F75027D.8090203@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F75027D.8090203@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030927152302.0ab96ca8.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:22:37 -0400, Jim Drabb wrote: > I just installed Fedora Core Test 2. What repo's can I point to > so I can get the standard fedora packages? I want to install things > like MPlayer, etc. If you're familiar with "rpmbuild --rebuild" of src.rpm packages, the 9.0.93 Severn beta1 packages might be helpful: http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/dY820iMVcrivHFQRApisAJ9KXmAnjRRH+Rf6NfZktNoECoQ0JwCdFxAq KBwZxNmb2HcgBkJ/4Kj0cbY= =tuTP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matt-whiteley at comcast.net Sat Sep 27 13:44:55 2003 From: matt-whiteley at comcast.net (Matt Whiteley) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 06:44:55 -0700 Subject: NFS Install Fail Message-ID: <1064670294.6793.21.camel@galt.atlas.gotdns.org> I get a failure in the NFS install after entering the server address and path. I have a blank blue screen for a minute maybe and then it tells me signal 11, unmounting disks, disabling swap ... safe to reboot. I have checked the iso files. I am using a Win2k NFS server Omni from Xlink, but I have used it in the past without problems. I enter 192.168.1.102 [w2kbox] /pub/fedora/ Then a pause and the error. In severn1 I can mount the directory and view the contents (the three iso files). I was trying to save some cdrs but maybe I will just burn them. -- Matt Whiteley From pmatilai at welho.com Sat Sep 27 13:45:26 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:45:26 +0300 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <200309270918.46003.lowen@pari.edu> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <200309270918.46003.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <1064670326.3f75947621398@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Lamar Owen : > On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:58 am, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > Dunno, kudos to Wine folks I guess.. if an "emulated" application starts > up > > and runs faster than a "native" one... what can I say :-/ > > Wine Is Not an Emulator. It is an API translator, and acts as a relatively > > (given what it does) thin one at that. Word on Linux should be nearly as > fast > as Word on Windows; and I have in fact verified that. Notice the quotation marks around "emulated"... MS Office for Windows on Linux isn't exactly a native application, regardless of what Wine is called. In this context I don't care if it emulates, translates API's or whatever, the point is MS Office through Wine starts+runs sickeningly much faster than OO and the usual explanations of Windows preloading stuff don't apply even. The obvious real point is that OO, as of 1.0.x, is hideously slow and I guess nobody can disagree with that :-/ Hopefully 1.1 is as much faster as some reviews have suggested (haven't tried it myself yet) and that it makes it into Fedora Core sooner than later. -- - Panu - From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 13:52:13 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:52:13 +0800 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1064670326.3f75947621398@webmail.welho.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <200309270918.46003.lowen@pari.edu> <1064670326.3f75947621398@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <3F75960D.7000904@postnewspapers.com.au> > The obvious real point is that OO, as of 1.0.x, is hideously slow and I guess > nobody can disagree with that :-/ Hopefully 1.1 is as much faster as some > reviews have suggested (haven't tried it myself yet) and that it makes it into > Fedora Core sooner than later. Admittedly it's a special case, but when I moved to OO.o 1.1 (I know it's still RC - but it's more stable and just better for our needs) on the LTSP server at work, I had to disable the splash screen. Not because it got in the way, but because it never got to finish displaying before the main window drew, and looked confusing. Admittedly it's a special case - a dual xeon with multiple OO.o instances so most of the libraries are already loaded - but it's still a _lot_ faster than before. Enough so that I suspect much of the startup time in normal configurations will be loading libraries, rather than app init. There are quite a few outstanding issues with 1.1, so I wouldn't suggest it for everybody - but if it works well for your needs, it's a lot nicer. Craig Ringer From smoogen at lanl.gov Sat Sep 27 14:06:16 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <20030927004546.GA19266@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Jack Bowling wrote: >On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:04:08AM -0400, Michael Fulbright wrote: > >[snip] >> Of course I'm pretty fanatical about this concept - I'd like to make >> anaconda install just enough software so you can then reboot and run >> redhat-config-packages to choose all the remaining software you want. >> That way we could put all our effort into that tool which you will use >> many times, instead of the installer which you use once every many many >> months. > >OK. You're now on my Christmas list. Saner heads are working at Red Hat. Dr Mike has been there forever and a day. He wrote the original disk druid tool and interface. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 14:07:40 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:07:40 +0200 Subject: not HTML References: <3F7479A3.4040407@osprog.net> <20030926172648.D20632@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F74B382.7010407@osprog.net> <1064641005.5674.4.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <3F7599AC.4090806@wanadoo.es> Bjorn Andersen wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 23:45, Martin wrote: > >> /Bill Nottingham wrote: >> >>>>i've tried disabling hyperthreading in bios. also tried >>>>booting with 'noacpi' and 'acpi=off'. >>>> >>>> please. not HTML -thanks- -- Smoking Crack Often From smoogen at lanl.gov Sat Sep 27 14:22:38 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F74AC80.3080100@cypress.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: >> Unfortunately, the complexity that attracted you to Enlightenment is the >> same complexity that scares less technically inclined users away. > >It's unfortunate that complexity scares people. But I don't buy it. They >by very complex devices, that they have no idea about. Look at a car. >They have some very complex systems. If you want you cna modify them to >behave in different ways. But you can still use the default setup and >just ignore all the complexity. The average driver doesn't even change >the oil anymore, but the ability to change the internals of the engine >is still there. > You need to do a month taking support phone calls. You will quickly learn that cars and computers are very different to most people. People get in cars and only really care about the speedometer, the gas gauge and the red lights, the rest of the eye candy that designers put in they ignore. On computers they dont know what parts are the important ones and so they dont ignore any of the eye candy and get very confused and angry. By the way, you can change the system however YOU want.. Red Hat doesnt stop that. THey do make the base interface a LCD than you though. >But that's the general trend. Poor dumb user cannot figure out how to >use a fork and a spoon so we'll just give them a spoon, and never serve >food that you need a fork to eat. Or maybe a spork, it's not as good as >both seperately, but it's good enough for most uses of a fork or a spoon. >> account the needs of their target audience. Enlightenment is obviously >> targeted at a technically inclined user base. That's great if that's >> what you're looking for, but I think in general most of us want to hit a >> larger target. > >So when E was the GNOME wm, people couldn't figure out how to use it? I >never saw any one say E was to technical for them. I saw some who never >changed the defaults, but never anyone who thought it too technical. You didnt take RH support phone calls did you? You only see what people post to mailing lists and those people are usually technically in the second to third sigma of users. 66%-95% of all users don't know much on computers beyond what they have to get a browser, an email client, and an editor up. Until there are universal computer licenses required before you can drive the 'Information SuperHighway', I doubt that will change. It is the last 5% of users of computers these days that know about mailinglists, etc etc. It is about the last <1% that know about what eye-candy is useful, and what is cruft. The issue is that these numbers have changed greatly over the last 20 years. 20 years ago, the <1% were 95% of all computer users. 10 years ago they 25%, 5 years ago they were probably 5-10%, and now they are becoming a small subset. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sat Sep 27 14:37:33 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:37:33 -0400 Subject: Gaim changes In-Reply-To: <3F7461DA.9090904@redhat.com> References: <1064552231.3084.2.camel@rh9> <1064584505.1241.22.camel@dhcppc3> <3F7461DA.9090904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030927143733.GA22741@thacker.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:57:14AM -0400, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > I'm waiting to see what's in the changelog for 0.69. I see a tar.gz > file up in the download section, but very little other information. > 0.68 _is_ in the tree, waiting to be pushed to the public. The best way to see the changelog is to browse the CVS tree in SourceForge. http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaim/gaim/ChangeLog?rev=1.786&view=markup is the version from the 0.69 release. Among other important changes, MSN support is updated to the MSN Protocol version 9, SSL support was added (through NSS or gnutls), Jabber supports SSL, Contact (aka Meta-Contact, aka Buddy Mergin) support was added, the perl signal problems were fixed, Yahoo support was improved (although right now has stopped working due to Yahoo changing their protocol again), and, as always, a bunch of new translations. John Thacker From pp at ee.oulu.fi Sat Sep 27 14:40:41 2003 From: pp at ee.oulu.fi (Pekka Pietikainen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:40:41 +0300 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <1064615999.22268.45.camel@locutus> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064615999.22268.45.camel@locutus> Message-ID: <20030927144041.GA7216@ee.oulu.fi> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 04:39:59PM -0600, Bill Anderson wrote: > > Intentional. We recommend using redhat-config-packages if you have > > additional software to install not covered by the component groups > > screen. We're going to a model where everything interesting (as the > > designer of the comps file deems it) has to be in a component group in > > the comps file. I think it makes more sense for interactive use to get > > through the install quickly w/o alot of questions and then use a tool > > designed for the task (in this case, redhat-config-packages) to complete > > the operation. > But I like to *deselect* packages as well during install, will that be > an option? Optimal would be for the system to have no extra packages at all when firstboot gets run, so there would be nothing to deselect :-) Ideally people who want a minimal firewall and people who want 4 gigs of graphical gizmos have the same set of packages on the harddrive when the machine first boots, the former just doesn't install anything else. It gets a bit tricky if you want to leave out X11 etc. though, firstboot for typical users should run in X, but it should be possible to do similar things in text mode too :-) -- Pekka Pietikainen From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 15:06:45 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:06:45 +0800 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F75A785.9090800@postnewspapers.com.au> > You need to do a month taking support phone calls. You will quickly > learn that cars and computers are very different to most people. What? But 95% of people are totally incapable of properly using either of them :-P From georg at georgs.org Sat Sep 27 15:05:52 2003 From: georg at georgs.org (Georg E Schneider) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:05:52 +0200 Subject: To less options in redhat-config-packages Message-ID: <3F75A750.5040409@georgs.org> Sometimes I download packages in a own destination so I want to say redhat-config-packages my destination to install the packages. But it seems not to work. The option tree says it's not valid. And isodir is wrong. So I miss a option to install packages from a own destination. (redhat-config-packages-1.9.1-1 Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn)) ps: For everyone I've seen today there's a G Schneider in this channel too, but don't cofound me with him :) -- 1024D/2CF44148 2003-06-29 Georg E Schneider Key fingerprint = 4F44 9A46 2238 6CFA D271 D09C 235F EFB0 2CF4 4148 From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sat Sep 27 15:10:54 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:10:54 +0200 Subject: problems with samba 3 Message-ID: <000201c38509$9c104e20$152ea8c0@august> Hello again, >Try: > map to guest = Bad User >Browsing Samba servers anonymously (ie, no name/password) is disabled by >default now (for obvious security reasons) - you must explicitly enable >it. Didn't solved my problem. I've experimented with security = user and security = share same effect: you see the Linux-box from WinXP, but you can't browse it. Searching for the problem goes on.... Rainer From kai.thomsen at gmx.de Sat Sep 27 15:14:33 2003 From: kai.thomsen at gmx.de (Kai Thomsen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:14:33 +0200 Subject: Building a NAT router? In-Reply-To: <200309260933.16937.lowen@pari.edu> References: <242479004.20030924114215@red-raider.de> <200309251527.51048.lowen@pari.edu> <20030926023404.015c5c79.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> <200309260933.16937.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <20030927171433.36e74a58.kai.thomsen@gmx.de> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:33:16 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Thursday 25 September 2003 20:34, Kai Thomsen wrote: > > > IP forwarding can be toggled via `redhat-config-proc' (on the second > > tab of "Networking -- IP"). > > On a GUI-less box? If available, ssh X tunneling can help here, but > not all have that capability. Then one should resort to editing /etc/sysctl.conf manually. The appropriate entry is, of course, `net.ipv4.ip_forward'. --Kai From georg at georgs.org Sat Sep 27 15:22:53 2003 From: georg at georgs.org (Georg E Schneider) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:22:53 +0200 Subject: why is sox without soxmix Message-ID: <3F75AB4D.3070204@georgs.org> why is sox without soxmix ? It's not fedora, but I built my own sox-packages with soxmix see http://members.aon.at/gschnei8/pinguin/src/sox.html -- 1024D/2CF44148 2003-06-29 Georg E Schneider Key fingerprint = 4F44 9A46 2238 6CFA D271 D09C 235F EFB0 2CF4 4148 From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 27 15:46:24 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:46:24 -0700 Subject: kernel compilation fails Message-ID: <1064677584.3073.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello In the kernel source package for severn beta2 (2.4.22-1.2061) compiling the kernel with the following commands-- 552 cp configs/kernel-2.4.22-i686.config ./.config 553 make oldconfig 554 make dep bzImage -- fails with the following error message-- kernel/kernel.o(.text+0xf9f): In function `schedule': : undefined reference to `active_load_balance' From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Sat Sep 27 15:52:06 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:52:06 +0200 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? In-Reply-To: References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> Message-ID: <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> Hello Alexandre, Sorry, but I am loosing you here. Could you explain this in a little more detail please? Maybe even a step by step? > I don't think so, but if you create a tarball of your rawhide tree > plus disc1 of the previous beta (for the stage and boot images), Just RedHat/RPMS and RedHat/base? By the way, I also downloaded the remaining Severn RPMS. Can I put these in the tree as well (I guess so)? > create hard-links with the names of the iso files Hard links from where to where? The new severn iso images have the same name as the previous ones. Or do I have to link to the tar archive??? > and rsync them from > an rsync server that carries the isos, you'll be amazed at how quickly > you can get the isos :-) WORKSFORME Where can I find such an rsync server? By the way, I don't see how this procedure would result in iso's, but that's probably because I am missing the point. If you could explain this a little more elaboratly I would appreciate that highly. TIA. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Sep 27 16:05:10 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:05:10 -0500 Subject: redhat-config-packages bugs In-Reply-To: <200309270802.17305.lowen@pari.edu> References: <200309270937.55136.dennis@ausil.us> <3F751995.2030606@postnewspapers.com.au> <200309271745.18102.dennis@ausil.us> <200309270802.17305.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <1064678710.6230.28.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 07:02, Lamar Owen wrote: > One thing you have to watch out for in the clean reinstall > case is if you move your home directory back in with a newer version of some > things that store configuration in home. I had a pretty severe problem once > (I think it was with a home that had gotten touched by the pre-7.3 beta > series) going to RHL 8.0. Had to completely wipe .kde out and reconfigure > KDE from scratch. But that is just what a beta tester has to be aware of -- > betas can and do break your system. Let the tester beware! So far my home > directory has survived in mostly unmangled form since Red Hat Linux 4.2. I got tired of that worry, so now I keep all my home directory "data" on a separate /data partition and place a link to it in my actual home directory. My "actual home directory" then contains only that link and any config data the system puts there. Before new install or upgrade, I copy all the "actual home directory" config stuff to a directory in /data called something like "oldconfig" so that I can restore any of it that I think is useful after a new install. Then on a new install I simply write over the old stuff or on an upgrade, delete all the config stuff from the home directory and start the install/upgrade. This is also convenient for sharing the files in /data among various versions I'm running/testing. This is not my original idea - I copied it from someone else on one of these lists. It has worked great through a number of installs. Gerry Tool From rpjday at mindspring.com Sat Sep 27 15:49:44 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: kernel compilation fails In-Reply-To: <1064677584.3073.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Ben Hsu wrote: > Hello > > In the kernel source package for severn beta2 (2.4.22-1.2061) compiling > the kernel with the following commands-- > > 552 cp configs/kernel-2.4.22-i686.config ./.config > 553 make oldconfig > 554 make dep bzImage > > -- fails with the following error message-- > kernel/kernel.o(.text+0xf9f): In function `schedule': > : undefined reference to `active_load_balance' unlikely to fix it, but did you start with a "make mrproper", just to play it safe? rday From tdiehl at rogueind.com Sat Sep 27 16:11:52 2003 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install didn't probe my ethernet card In-Reply-To: <20030927125656.18762.qmail@operamail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, sindre pedersen wrote: > I chose to upgrade from my redhat 9 system to fedora test2. The install didn't locate my network-card, a RL-8139/8139C/8139C+ which left me without net. My ethernet model wasn't in the list of cards when I tried to add it using redhat-config-network. > > I downloaded the latest stable kernel (using my other computer) and installed it. When I booted it, my networking card was in the list of cards. > > I then rebooted, and here followes the funny part, as I was away from my keyboard for a minute, grub loaded the kernel that came with fedora test2, kernel-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl. > > kudzu first asked me to remove my ethernet card, then told me to configure it. I added my card using redhat-config-network (it was in the list of cards now) and everything worked fine. > > My question to you all is: How come I couldn't get the ethernet card to work at first, but installing the latest stable kernel fixed it? This appears to be a bug. I am seeing the same thing. kudzu wants to rm it then reinstall it. the problem is that /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 does not exist. It is installed as ifcfg-eth1. This machine only has 1 NIC. Kudzu also appears to want to teconfigure it on every boot. Once I mv'd the config file eth0 works but... Do you want to bugzilla this or should I. If you do please let me know the number. -- ......Tom Registered Linux User #14522 http://counter.li.org tdiehl at rogueind.com My current SpamTrap -------> mtd123 at rogueind.com From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Sep 27 16:15:09 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:15:09 -0500 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: <1064669580.16101.15.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1064665012.19532.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1064669580.16101.15.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1064679309.6230.31.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 08:33, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 07:16, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > > > I tried to subscribe to the "beta channel" on RHN for severn2, but it > > doesn't exist. How can I use up2date to get the latest beta updates, > > like we used to do on the beta1? > > Looks like there isn't a beta/rawhide channel yet for beta 2. Either > wait until they get one created, or if you do or can mirror rawhide from > somewhere, do that and then just add that local directory to your > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file and you won't have to wait. > > Although currently, rawhide is *behind* severn 2 at the moment. I just succeeded in registering my system to the severn-beta2-i386 channel on rhn using the applet in the panel. No -updates channel yet, but at least the base channel is now active. Gerry From rhl at farorbit.com Sat Sep 27 16:40:46 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:40:46 -0500 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F75290E.669CF77D@kahealani.com> References: <3F75290E.669CF77D@kahealani.com> Message-ID: <3F75BD8E.1000601@farorbit.com> NO. All locations in my corp. for example do not have 24 hr power. Also, on laptops, your argument falls flat. --servers aside, pepole reboot the machines and if they are not the latest and greatest, it is a time consuming process... every one can not afford to replace all the hardware every 3 years. Angela Kahealani wrote: >Ingo Molnar wrote: > > >>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: >> >> >> >>>Timings are average of 5 launches. [...] >>> >>> > >I suppose if you're evaluating a system like WinDOwS or MacOSthen boot time and launch time ARE the most signifigant times to evaluate. >On a UNIX based system (CRAM the trademark, it's a generic term) >you boot once, launch once, and just use it day after day after day >after day... >so you need to compare the UNIX screensaver unlock time with MacWinDOwS >Boot+Launch time. >The signifigant times are USING the applications, not booting and >launching. Compare file open, file save, file scrolling, and then you'd >have something. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhl at farorbit.com Sat Sep 27 16:44:43 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:44:43 -0500 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F75BE7B.7060803@farorbit.com> really? I did not know this... The install is not fresh, but I have not left it on over night... Ingo Molnar wrote: >On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: > > > >>NOTE: I also disabled preloading of both OO and MSO2k... to be fair and >>not delay login times... >> >> > >note that prelinking is different and not related to preloading - did you >have prelink enabled? (it's default enabled but might take a day on a >freshly installed desktop to take full effect.) > > Ingo > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhl at farorbit.com Sat Sep 27 16:47:08 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:47:08 -0500 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <20030927111411.GA23346@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> References: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20030927111411.GA23346@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <3F75BF0C.4030204@farorbit.com> Don't oyu use cyrillic fonts in Checkia/Slovakia any way? Miloslav Trmac wrote: >On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 03:37:25PM -0500, Stephan Schutter wrote: > > >>Why not use the bitstream free fonts by default???? They look great. >> >> >Because they don't cover some diacritical marks used in Europe, unlike >Luxi. That would result in a "broken desktop" for some users, by >default. > Mirek > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhl at farorbit.com Sat Sep 27 16:49:11 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:49:11 -0500 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <200309270918.46003.lowen@pari.edu> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <200309270918.46003.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <3F75BF87.8010007@farorbit.com> I thought it was an implemantation of Win32 DLL's in Linux? Lamar Owen wrote: >On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:58 am, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > >>Dunno, kudos to Wine folks I guess.. if an "emulated" application starts up >>and runs faster than a "native" one... what can I say :-/ >> >> > >Wine Is Not an Emulator. It is an API translator, and acts as a relatively >(given what it does) thin one at that. Word on Linux should be nearly as fast >as Word on Windows; and I have in fact verified that. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 16:51:37 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:51:37 +0200 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) References: <3F75BE7B.7060803@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <3F75C019.2080103@wanadoo.es> stephan schutter wrote: > really? I did not know this... The install is not fresh, but I have not > left it on over night... > > Ingo Molnar wrote: > >>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Stephan Schutter wrote: would you mind to disable HTML for mail? thanks a 1,000,000 -- Smoking Crack Often From terraformers at gmx.net Sat Sep 27 17:10:43 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:10:43 +0200 Subject: Fedora2 up2date fails at livna.org load Message-ID: <200309271910.43518.terraformers@gmx.net> sorry don't know how to fix this but i have the exact same behavior here. best, lars -- you wrote: My up2date program just stops when trying to fetch updates from the stire rpm/http://rpm.livna.org//base/pkglist.redhat/9.0/i386.bz2. The progress log shows complete and the background window moves ahead to the "Skipped Packages" window, but the progress dialog stays there with a 100% indication and up2date itself just stops. I can kill the progress menu and hit "Back" or "Cancel" to get out of this, but I can't go forward. If I disable all non-Redhat sites in the channels list before trying, everything works just fine. Ideas on how to fix this? Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From wickert at muenster.de Sat Sep 27 17:11:50 2003 From: wickert at muenster.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:11:50 +0200 Subject: Problem fixed: Network: "Hisax device eth0" In-Reply-To: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> Message-ID: <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> Hi! I had to remove all my network hardware (both Fritzcard and RT 8139) and to reinstall it in redhat-config-network. The problem seems to be caused by kudzu, which didn't detect my hardware properly: I'm not sure, what module it used for my ethernet, but the Fritzcard PCI was detected as "AVM A1 ISDN Controller", removed and reinstalled. (If it want's install as an active card, it should also load the kernelcapi modules) "hisax device eth0" is definitely wrong. Christoph Christoph Wickert schrieb: > Hi! > >> [root at hal9000 root]# ifup eth0 >> /sbin/ifup: configuration for eth0 not found. > > > but config for eth0 existed and was ok. After starting > redhat-config-network, it seemed to work. > >> [root at hal9000 root]# ifup eth0 >> [root at hal9000 root]# ifconfig >> lo Link encap:Local Loopback >> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 >> ... > > > no eth0, but now i've got a new eth1! > >> [root at hal9000 root]# /etc/init.d/network restart >> Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] >> Setting network parameters: [ OK ] >> Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] >> Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] >> Bringing up interface eth1: hisax device eth1 does not seem to be >> present, delaying initialization. >> [FAILED] >> [root at hal9000 root]# route >> Kernel IP routing table >> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref >> Use Iface >> 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 >> 0 lo >> 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 >> 0 lo > > > Why "hisax device eth1"??? I've a Fritzcard PCI ISDN Card, but that is > configured properly as ippp0. > > Have there been any significant changes in the networking-skripts since > RH9A? > > Christoph > -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b??se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert Kettelerstr. 19 48147 Mnster Tel: 0049-251-8996704 Fax: 0049-251-8996705 mailto:wickert at muenster.de http://www.muenster.de/~wickert pgp: http://www.muenster.de/~wickert/Christoph_Wickert.asc From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 27 17:12:35 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:12:35 -0700 Subject: kernel compilation fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064682754.3073.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 08:49, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > unlikely to fix it, but did you start with a "make mrproper", just > to play it safe? > Yes. It looks like the problem is that in kernel.c the definition of "active_load_balance" is surrounded by #if CONFIG_SHARE_RUNQUEUE, but the actual call to that function on line 1712 is not in such an #if. Also, some weirdness when debugging this: cp configs/kernel-2.4.22-i686.config ./.config grep CONFIG_SHARE_RUNQUEUE .config #nothing make oldconfig grep CONFIG_SHARE_RUNQUEUE .config #set to "y" make xconfig grep CONFIG_SHARE_RUNQUEUE .config #nothing again! The same happens for "make menuconfig" From lowen at pari.edu Sat Sep 27 17:13:19 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:13:19 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F75BF87.8010007@farorbit.com> References: <200309270918.46003.lowen@pari.edu> <3F75BF87.8010007@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <200309271313.20285.lowen@pari.edu> On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:49 pm, stephan schutter wrote: > Lamar Owen wrote: > >On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:58 am, Panu Matilainen wrote: > >>Dunno, kudos to Wine folks I guess.. if an "emulated" application starts > >> up and runs faster than a "native" one... what can I say :-/ > >Wine Is Not an Emulator. It is an API translator, and acts as a > > relatively (given what it does) thin one at that. Word on Linux should > > be nearly as fast as Word on Windows; and I have in fact verified that. > I thought it was an implemantation of Win32 DLL's in Linux? Given that the Win32 API is pretty much defined by DLL's, then, yes, that is correct. But it also implements the KERNEL, GDI, and USER stuff not found in DLL's, but found deeper in the system. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 17:17:55 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:17:55 +0200 Subject: Problem fixed: Network: "Hisax device eth0" References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> Message-ID: <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> Christoph Wickert wrote: > Hi! > I had to remove all my network hardware (both Fritzcard and RT 8139) and > to reinstall it in redhat-config-network. The problem seems to be caused > by kudzu, which didn't detect my hardware properly: I'm not sure, what > module it used for my ethernet, but the Fritzcard PCI was detected as > "AVM A1 ISDN Controller", removed and reinstalled. (If it want's install > as an active card, it should also load the kernelcapi modules) > > "hisax device eth0" is definitely wrong. shown a # lspci ; echo ; lspci -n -- Smoking Crack Often From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 16:45:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:45:29 -0400 Subject: Install problem with Fedora Test 2 (Test 1 was fine!) In-Reply-To: <2E22823C-F0A8-11D7-9FA1-00039318217E@mac.com> References: <2E22823C-F0A8-11D7-9FA1-00039318217E@mac.com> Message-ID: <200309271245.29040.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 01:05 am, Andy Woo Andy Woo wrote: > Hi, > > Fedora Test 1 installed fine. However, when I install the Test 2 to > the same machine, it displays the following message during system boot > up. I media-checked 3 disc and they are passed. > > Running anaconda, the Fedora Core system installer - please wait ... > 'import site' failed: use -v for traceback > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/anaconda/isys.py", line 22, in ? > from rhpl.log import log > ImportError: No module named rhpl.log > install exited abnormally > sending termination signals...done > sending kill signals...done > disabling swap... > umounting filesystems... > /mnt/runtime done > disabling /dev/loop0 > /proc/bus/usb done > /proc done > /dev/pts done > /tmp/ramfs done > /mnt/source done > you may safety reboot your system > I got the same output during my second install attempt. Fedora Core *successfully* installed after the *third* attempt. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 17:20:47 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:20:47 -0400 Subject: mouse misbehavoir in kmail Message-ID: <200309271320.47550.elwoo@videotron.ca> Fedora Core: In kmail, to keep my mouse on a highlighted field (folder, or subject header), I have to click twice, otherwise when I move the mouse it just scrolls everything... VERY annoying behavoir! ... has anyone else noticed this? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From wooandy at mac.com Sat Sep 27 17:24:53 2003 From: wooandy at mac.com (Andy Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:24:53 +0800 Subject: Install problem with Fedora Test 2 (Test 1 was fine!) In-Reply-To: <200309271245.29040.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <819284DA-F10F-11D7-9FA1-00039318217E@mac.com> Hi Elton, What do you mean by "Third" attempt? Did you burn another CD? Please elaborate. Thanks! Best Regards, Andy www.wookieweb.com On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 12:45 AM, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 27, 2003 01:05 am, Andy Woo Andy Woo > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Fedora Test 1 installed fine. However, when I install the Test 2 to >> the same machine, it displays the following message during system boot >> up. I media-checked 3 disc and they are passed. >> >> Running anaconda, the Fedora Core system installer - please wait ... >> 'import site' failed: use -v for traceback >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/isys.py", line 22, in ? >> from rhpl.log import log >> ImportError: No module named rhpl.log >> install exited abnormally >> sending termination signals...done >> sending kill signals...done >> disabling swap... >> umounting filesystems... >> /mnt/runtime done >> disabling /dev/loop0 >> /proc/bus/usb done >> /proc done >> /dev/pts done >> /tmp/ramfs done >> /mnt/source done >> you may safety reboot your system >> > > I got the same output during my second install attempt. > Fedora Core *successfully* installed after the *third* attempt. > > > Elton > > -- > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html > "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." > LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 17:24:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:24:22 -0400 Subject: quick (and perhaps foolish) question: MD4sum of CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309271324.22613.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 26, 2003 12:40 pm, Robert P. J. Day "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > i think the trick is to checksum the ISO image as a file if > you can, before you burn it to CD. I *always* run md5sum against the ISOs before burning. If they fail, I *don't* waste my time burning the CD, but I do another download. My question was HOWTO verify the CD *after* it is burnt, but *before* booting it into install mode. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Sat Sep 27 17:27:41 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:27:41 -0500 Subject: What about Java,Acrobat,RealPlayer,Flash ? In-Reply-To: <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <1064683661.6785.3.camel@ByteEnable> The packages listed above are required for a desktop system. One has to connect to the Internet and download and install them separately. Which can be a pain. Are these packages going to be addressed with Fedora? Thanks, Byte aka Robert Thomas From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sat Sep 27 17:29:25 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:29:25 -0400 Subject: What about Java,Acrobat,RealPlayer,Flash ? In-Reply-To: <1064683661.6785.3.camel@ByteEnable> References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> <1064683661.6785.3.camel@ByteEnable> Message-ID: <1064683765.2909.0.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 13:27, ByteEnable wrote: > The packages listed above are required for a desktop system. One has to > connect to the Internet and download and install them separately. Which > can be a pain. Are these packages going to be addressed with Fedora? Java: not legal to distribute Acrobat: Ditto Realplayer: Ditto Flash: Ditto, except for the one warren negotiated. -sv From pauln at truemesh.com Sat Sep 27 17:44:08 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:44:08 +0100 Subject: What about Java,Acrobat,RealPlayer,Flash ? In-Reply-To: <1064683765.2909.0.camel@binkley> References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> <1064683661.6785.3.camel@ByteEnable> <1064683765.2909.0.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20030927174406.GE18161@shitake.truemesh.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 01:29:25PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 13:27, ByteEnable wrote: > > The packages listed above are required for a desktop system. One has to > > connect to the Internet and download and install them separately. Which > > can be a pain. Are these packages going to be addressed with Fedora? > Java: not legal to distribute Aha time for a plug: You can build a sane jdk yourself complete with triggers for mozilla plugin from JPackage project. http://www.jpackage.org See http://www.jpackage.org/rebuilding.php for rebuilding instructions. Paul From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 18:01:27 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:01:27 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core: initial encounter (RH doesn't like my machine??) Message-ID: <200309271401.27181.elwoo@videotron.ca> As with Severn beta1 (RH 9.0.93), Fedora Core (RH 9.0.94) did not install until after three attempts. Previous betas (wolverine, etc) always installed on the first attempt. Download ISO's: Bittorrent was *disappointingly slooooow*. I could have latched on to a mirror and gotten the three CD's much faster using mozilla. Run md5sums, ISO's check out OK, burnt 'em with K3b. Burn successful _no error_ messages whatever. Boot, check media = OK, proceed ... and THEN ---> With Fedora, my first install resulted in a kernel oops (evinced by my flashing keyboard lights. Because it refused to create the boot disk (two previously used 1.44M diskettes in my LS-120 drive aka /dev/hdb). Second try: "Install Everything": "error installing ncurses 5.3.9 ... you may have insufficient space [on a 20 Gb drive!!!??] or this might indicate a hardware defect" ... hmm, maybe my] Quantum is failing? Third try: "Custom" ... <*WHEW*>!!! finally, success! Old or previous bugs resurface: 1. Install "all packages" fails, as before: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101078 2. In KDE, the Start Here folder is a "malformed URL" 2. My beloved RFE is still a RFE. I had to configure the scanner. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80613 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101078 3. After installing, redhat-configure-packages, keeps insisting on "install disk". Install only works from the console window or by clicking on the icons in the nautilus CD window. 4. Autologin dialog "unreadable" https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101511 5. Kmail still misbehaves: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102532 6. Since the Start Here is malformed in KDE, I can't add startup programs. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102533 Graphical boot is indeed faster. Should I remove sendmail to speed up things? During installation, I'm pretty sure I saw something mentioned about a joystick configuration applet, but I find no such item. Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Sep 27 18:18:33 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:18:33 +0200 Subject: openoffice 1.1 Message-ID: <3F75D479.9090706@gmx.de> hi, i know that this question is really old :-( why ooo 1.0.2 instaed 1.0.3 ? actually is 1.1rc5 and 1.1final is coming soon http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=842208&listName=users&JServSessionIdservlets=11byjbyi73 1.1 final will be released when it is ready. Sorry, that may sound like a curt answer, but we are not a commercial organization driven by a date decided by marketing. However even though the date set around the begining of the year was for a 1.1 release in August, I think that the final release should happen in the next week or two. -- CPH : openoffice.org volunteer -- shrek-m From katzj at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 18:22:12 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:22:12 -0400 Subject: observations from 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064636932.4279.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064636932.4279.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064686931.2231.3.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 00:28, Ben Hsu wrote: > The "Upgrade existing installation" option tries to do a "mount -a". Is > this new? It was failing because my 1394 drive was turned off. But I > probably should not have "auto" for that in fstab anyway No, this is always the way things have been. And it's somewhat impossible for us to just say "oh, that drive doesn't matter" because people could have any number of symlinks or the like which would get traversed during an upgrade that would require the drive to be there. Cheers, Jeremy From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 18:24:07 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <3F7517FB.7050800@postnewspapers.com.au> from "Craig Ringer" at Med 27, 2003 12:54:19 Message-ID: <200309271824.h8RIO7m28378@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > option doesn't go away. I have a NSC Geode here that most things see as > i586, but it doesn't have a working TSC so the pentium kernel will > generally crash, and it actually performs better with i486 code (despite > supporting MMX). Geode has a working TSC. Like anything but the pre MMX pentium it runs 486 or 686 code better than 586 From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sat Sep 27 18:30:46 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:30:46 +0800 Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <200309271824.h8RIO7m28378@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309271824.h8RIO7m28378@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F75D756.3080703@postnewspapers.com.au> >>option doesn't go away. I have a NSC Geode here that most things see as >>i586, but it doesn't have a working TSC so the pentium kernel will >>generally crash, and it actually performs better with i486 code (despite >>supporting MMX). > > Geode has a working TSC. Like anything but the pre MMX pentium it runs 486 > or 686 code better than 586 Interesting... mine fails to boot a kernel built with TSC support. I'll have to look into that a bit more - thanks for the info. Craig Ringer From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 18:32:33 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <20030926154436.1519b031.bkoz@redhat.com> from "Benjamin Kosnik" at Med 26, 2003 03:44:36 Message-ID: <200309271832.h8RIWXB01104@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > >Why not use the bitstream free fonts by default???? They look great. > > Ditto. I'm assuming you are talking about Vera: > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ > > First thing I do..... Last time I checked Vera didn't even have enough characters defined in it for full UK English From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 18:33:40 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Compiling for CPU (was Re: Performance testing (pass 1)) In-Reply-To: <3F75D756.3080703@postnewspapers.com.au> from "Craig Ringer" at Med 28, 2003 02:30:46 Message-ID: <200309271833.h8RIXe301776@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > > Geode has a working TSC. Like anything but the pre MMX pentium it runs 486 > > or 686 code better than 586 > > Interesting... mine fails to boot a kernel built with TSC support. I'll > have to look into that a bit more - thanks for the info. Info on how it fails and what cpu/companion chip would be useful too From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Sep 27 18:40:23 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:40:23 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core Test 2 In-Reply-To: <20030927152302.0ab96ca8.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F75027D.8090203@tampabay.rr.com> <20030927152302.0ab96ca8.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <3F75D997.8080607@tampabay.rr.com> Michael Schwendt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:22:37 -0400, Jim Drabb wrote: > > > > I just installed Fedora Core Test 2. What repo's can I point to > > so I can get the standard fedora packages? I want to install things > > like MPlayer, etc. > > > If you're familiar with "rpmbuild --rebuild" of src.rpm packages, > the 9.0.93 Severn beta1 packages might be helpful: > > http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt Thanks. This is what I was looking for. Does anyone know of any other repos that play nice with severn 0.94 and the fedora repo? Is it ok to still use apt + synaptic? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From wickert at muenster.de Sat Sep 27 18:54:38 2003 From: wickert at muenster.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:54:38 +0200 Subject: Problem fixed: Network: "Hisax device eth0" In-Reply-To: <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F75DCEE.2000101@muenster.de> Xose Vazquez Perez schrieb: >shown a # lspci ; echo ; lspci -n > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 735 Host (rev 01) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5591/5592 AGP 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 00:02.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 7001 (rev 07) 00:02.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 7001 (rev 07) 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 PCI Audio Accelerator (rev a0) 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139 (rev 10) 00:0b.0 Network controller: AVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer System GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02) 00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 04) 00:11.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 TV with DMA push (rev 12) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Riva TnT2 [NV5] (rev 15) 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1039:0735 (rev 01) 00:01.0 Class 0604: 1039:0001 00:02.0 Class 0601: 1039:0008 00:02.2 Class 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 07) 00:02.3 Class 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 07) 00:02.5 Class 0101: 1039:5513 (rev d0) 00:02.7 Class 0401: 1039:7012 (rev a0) 00:09.0 Class 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10) 00:0b.0 Class 0280: 1244:0a00 (rev 02) 00:0d.0 Class 0401: 1274:5880 (rev 04) 00:11.0 Class 0400: 109e:0350 (rev 12) 01:00.0 Class 0300: 10de:0028 (rev 15) No redhad-config-network shows 2 eth0, but it network is up. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:wickert at muenster.de From alan at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 18:55:28 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064594191.16707.53.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> from "Owen Taylor" at Med 26, 2003 12:36:31 Message-ID: <200309271855.h8RItS609911@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Another odd thing that can help performance in some cases is to > disable putting pixmaps in video ram .. (I forget the exact > Xaa option for the XFree86Config.) > > It probably won't help the desktop as a whole, you lose in some > places what you gain in others, but it will make AA text rendering > significantly faster on most cards. Option "XaaNoPixmapCache" From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sat Sep 27 19:05:45 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:05:45 -0500 Subject: Error in gnome-volume-control Message-ID: <1064689545.3808.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> When I try to open gnome-volume-control under beta2 (installed from the CDs without upgrading my RH9 installation) it shows the following error message: An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-volume-control. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly. and in the details: Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-1/Vol ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-1/Pcm ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-1/Spkr ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-1/Line ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-1/Mic ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-1/CD ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-1/Pcm2 ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-2/Vol ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-2/Pcm ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-2/Spkr ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-2/Line ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-2/Mic ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-2/CD ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Unknown-2/Pcm2 ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Does anyone have the same problem? I don't know if matters, but I have two tabs on the volume control saying Unknown. From wickert at muenster.de Sat Sep 27 19:13:17 2003 From: wickert at muenster.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:13:17 +0200 Subject: mixed Languages/missing Translations in anaconda & firstboot Message-ID: <3F75E14D.6000409@muenster.de> After a fresh install with german & english language selectet, firstboot showed a mix of both. TOC on the left, headings & buttons are german, while main text is english. Anaconda: No translation for "Mountpoint already in use, please choose another one" in diskdruid (should be something like "Der Mountpoint wird bereits genutzt, bitte w?hlen Sie einen anderen." in german. No translation for Help when setting up firewlling. English help is obsolete (different security-levels). Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b??se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert Kettelerstr. 19 48147 Mnster Tel: 0049-251-8996704 Fax: 0049-251-8996705 mailto:wickert at muenster.de http://www.muenster.de/~wickert pgp: http://www.muenster.de/~wickert/Christoph_Wickert.asc From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sat Sep 27 19:13:53 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:13:53 -0400 Subject: Where is the ACPI? Message-ID: <20030927191353.GA7781@prince.homelinux.org> I tested the first release of Severn on my laptop and had no trouble with it. The ACPI worked beautifully. But in this release, it detects the ACPI system in the machine, but it gives me a message during bootup that says acpi: interpreter disabled and ACPI doesn't work. If I type service acpid (insert anything here) I get no messages of any kid. However when I run acpid I get the error message acpid: /proc/acpi/event: no such file or directory What do I need to do to fix this? Thanks, Prince From wickert at muenster.de Sat Sep 27 19:17:45 2003 From: wickert at muenster.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:17:45 +0200 Subject: Install problem with Fedora Test 2 (Test 1 was fine!) In-Reply-To: <200309271245.29040.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <2E22823C-F0A8-11D7-9FA1-00039318217E@mac.com> <200309271245.29040.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F75E259.1070409@muenster.de> Elton Woo schrieb: >I got the same output during my second install attempt. >Fedora Core *successfully* installed after the *third* attempt. > > Exactly the same, attempt 1 and 3 were ok. -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:wickert at muenster.de From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sat Sep 27 19:18:37 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:18:37 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! Message-ID: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> My Severn2 test system won't reboot. It seems to go so far and just stop. It won't even save my volume settings. In order to get it to turn off I have to hit the power button, because if I wait and wait it still won't reboot. Please help ASAP with this one. Thanks, Prince From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 19:19:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:19:43 -0400 Subject: Error in gnome-volume-control In-Reply-To: <1064689545.3808.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064689545.3808.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309271519.43916.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 03:05 pm, Santiago Erquicia Santiago Erquicia wrote: > When I try to open gnome-volume-control under beta2 (installed from the > CDs without upgrading my RH9 installation) it shows the following error > message: > > An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for > gnome-volume-control. Some of your configuration settings may not work > properly. .. same here. The details on *my* system are: ------------------------------------------ Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4297A_rev_A-1/Vol ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4297A_rev_A-1/Pcm ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4297A_rev_A-1/Spkr ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4297A_rev_A-1/Line ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4297A_rev_A-1/Mic ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4297A_rev_A-1/CD ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-volume-control/OSS-Cirrus_Logic_CS4297A_rev_A-1/Pcm2 ": ` ' is an invalid character in key/directory names -------------------------------------------------- The sound card here is an Ensoniq 64 (... not the "latest and greatest" hardware out on the market). Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From michael at ywow.org Sat Sep 27 19:26:48 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:26:48 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <021b01c3852d$4f7efa10$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Prince, Do you have a boot disk? If not, have you tried the Install disk (floppy or CD #1) - in linux rescue mode? (type - linux rescue - at the install boot prompt). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorenzo Prince" > My Severn2 test system won't reboot. It seems to go so far and just stop. It won't even save my volume settings. In > order to get it to turn off I have to hit the power button, because if I wait and wait it still won't reboot. Please > help ASAP with this one. If one of these modes work, look through the dmesg output or your /var/log/messages. Thanks, Mike From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 19:29:36 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:29:36 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 03:18 pm, Lorenzo Prince > wrote: > My Severn2 test system won't reboot. It seems to go so far and just stop. > It won't even save my volume settings. In order to get it to turn off I > have to hit the power button, because if I wait and wait it still won't > reboot. Please help ASAP with this one. No one here can / will be able to help you until you: 1) Give a detailed description of your hardware (CPU, motherboard, video subsystem, perhipherals...) 2) HOW did you install? From CD, from a network install, boot floppy? If the former, did you verify the checksums against the ISOs before burning the CDs? ... the world is waiting ... P.S. Kindly make it a habit of entering a hard return (CR) every 10 - 12 words or so. It will make your posts more readable (i.e. logical) to those on the list running text-only full-screen readers. cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sat Sep 27 19:38:45 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:38:45 -0400 Subject: Error in gnome-volume-control In-Reply-To: <200309271519.43916.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1064689545.3808.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309271519.43916.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030927193845.GA27940@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:19:43PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 27, 2003 03:05 pm, Santiago Erquicia Santiago Erquicia > wrote: > > When I try to open gnome-volume-control under beta2 (installed from the > > CDs without upgrading my RH9 installation) it shows the following error > > message: > > > > An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for > > gnome-volume-control. Some of your configuration settings may not work > > properly. > > .. same here. The details on *my* system are: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104276 http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105802 Seems like the problem is happening for many people. Perhaps gconf doesn't like the keys that end with whitespace, or something. John Thacker From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sat Sep 27 19:41:55 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:41:55 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <021b01c3852d$4f7efa10$201e16ac@AllAccess> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <021b01c3852d$4f7efa10$201e16ac@AllAccess> Message-ID: <20030927194155.GA7952@prince.homelinux.org> Using the rescue CD, the system reboots without a problem. It's only when the system is booted from the hard drive that there is a problem. Prince From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sat Sep 27 19:43:43 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:43:43 -0400 Subject: Error in gnome-volume-control In-Reply-To: <20030927193845.GA27940@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <1064689545.3808.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200309271519.43916.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927193845.GA27940@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20030927194343.GA28045@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:38:45PM -0400, John Alexander Thacker wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:19:43PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > On September 27, 2003 03:05 pm, Santiago Erquicia Santiago Erquicia > > wrote: > > > When I try to open gnome-volume-control under beta2 (installed from the > > > CDs without upgrading my RH9 installation) it shows the following error > > > message: > > > > > > An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for > > > gnome-volume-control. Some of your configuration settings may not work > > > properly. > > > > .. same here. The details on *my* system are: As an update, it looks like it's fixed upstream in gnome-media-2.3.8: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119979 Hence, an update is no doubt recommended. John Thacker From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 19:44:10 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:44:10 +0200 Subject: Problem fixed: Network: "Hisax device eth0" References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> <3F75DCEE.2000101@muenster.de> Message-ID: <3F75E88A.8060901@wanadoo.es> Christoph Wickert wrote: > Xose Vazquez Perez schrieb: > >> shown a # lspci ; echo ; lspci -n >> >> > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 735 Host (rev 01) > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5591/5592 AGP > 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 > 00:02.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 7001 (rev 07) > 00:02.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 7001 (rev 07) > 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) > 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] > SiS7012 PCI Audio Accelerator (rev a0) > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139 > (rev 10) > 00:0b.0 Network controller: AVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer System > GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02) > 00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 04) > 00:11.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 TV with > DMA push (rev 12) > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Riva TnT2 [NV5] > (rev 15) > > 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1039:0735 (rev 01) > 00:01.0 Class 0604: 1039:0001 > 00:02.0 Class 0601: 1039:0008 > 00:02.2 Class 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 07) > 00:02.3 Class 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 07) > 00:02.5 Class 0101: 1039:5513 (rev d0) > 00:02.7 Class 0401: 1039:7012 (rev a0) > 00:09.0 Class 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10) > 00:0b.0 Class 0280: 1244:0a00 (rev 02) > 00:0d.0 Class 0401: 1274:5880 (rev 04) > 00:11.0 Class 0400: 109e:0350 (rev 12) > 01:00.0 Class 0300: 10de:0028 (rev 15) I'm not sure, but ISDN boards are under PCI_CLASS_NETWORK_OTHER(0x0280) and pci.c from kudzu has not this case. kudzu bug :-? fill a bugzilla report. -- Smoking Crack Often From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 19:47:56 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:47:56 -0400 Subject: Bugzilla boo-boo?? Message-ID: <200309271547.56884.elwoo@videotron.ca> Whilst entering a comment in the following report, I decided to submit an attachment, and _then_ complete the report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105802 Bugzilla belched this at me: =================================== Mid-air collision detected! Someone else has made changes to this bug at the same time you were trying to. The changes made were: Added comments: ------- Additional Comment #1 From Elton Woo on 2003-09-27 15:44 ------- Created an attachment (id=94786) error output from gnome volume control ============================================== Elton 8< / -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sat Sep 27 19:51:11 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:51:11 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> Elton Woo staggered into view and mumbled: > 1) Give a detailed description of your hardware (CPU, > motherboard, video subsystem, perhipherals...) My CPU is a 1.6GHZ Celeron processor. I have 256MB RAM with 64 of this being shared with the ATI Radeon Vidwo card. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what make and model my motherboard is. No periferals are connected at this time, although I do have a USB floppy drive that I will be testing later on. > 2) HOW did you install? From CD, from a network install, > boot floppy? > If the former, did you verify the checksums against the ISOs > before burning the CDs? I installed from CD's. I verified the checksums against the ISO's before I burned the CD's and they all passed. I then performed the media tests st the beginning of the install process and all 3 discs passed that test as well. HTH. Prince From davej at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 19:53:24 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:53:24 +0100 Subject: Where is the ACPI? In-Reply-To: <20030927191353.GA7781@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030927191353.GA7781@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20030927195324.GB1614@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:13:53PM -0400, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > I tested the first release of Severn on my laptop and had no trouble with it. The ACPI worked beautifully. But in this > release, it detects the ACPI system in the machine, but it gives me a message during bootup that says > > acpi: interpreter disabled > > and ACPI doesn't work. If I type > > service acpid (insert anything here) > > I get no messages of any kid. However when I run > > acpid > > I get the error message > > acpid: /proc/acpi/event: no such file or directory > > What do I need to do to fix this? boot with the command line argument acpi=on Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 19:55:32 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:55:32 +0200 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Elton Woo staggered into view and mumbled: > >>1) Give a detailed description of your hardware (CPU, >>motherboard, video subsystem, perhipherals...) > > > My CPU is a 1.6GHZ Celeron processor. > I have 256MB RAM with 64 of this being shared with the ATI Radeon > Vidwo card. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what make and model > my motherboard is. No periferals are connected at this time, although I do have a get dmidecode http://savannah.nongnu.org/dmidecode It's going to show you a lot of information about your hardware. -- Smoking Crack Often From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 19:57:50 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:57:50 +0200 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > get dmidecode http://savannah.nongnu.org/dmidecode sorry, web site is http://www.nongnu.org/dmidecode -- Smoking Crack Often From drepper at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 20:10:17 2003 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:10:17 -0700 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> Message-ID: <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> Panu Matilainen wrote: > Yeah, I find it rather sickening: MS Office (Word) running in Wine starts AGES > before OO even gets around to show the stupid (because it gets in the way) > banner. You're comparing apples and oranges, and I don't mean the programs here. At a more fundamental level, you cannot compare regular ELF files with PE files (the latter being that other OS's binary format). PE has nothing of the flexibility of ELF, it has direct binding, not much for the dynamic loader equivalent to do. And that code is in the kernel. ELF provides many more possibility, which are all widely used and people don't want to miss them. But they come with a price: the dynamic linker has quite a bit of work to do. And because this is Unix, that part is not in the kernel. Now, if you want to do comparisons do as Ingo and Jakub already said: compare a fully prelinked system. In that case we basically have direct linking. There is still some overhead but it's minimal. The problem is to get all applications and DSOs prelink-able. Jakub has done a lot of work in this area, especially to get GL working. The current code base should be mostly there. I'm not sure about huge projects like OO or even mozilla. You can easily check it by looking at the output adding LD_DEBUG=statistics to the environment of the program provides. So, install prelink, have the cron job do its work, and then do some measurements. -- --------------. ,-. 444 Castro Street Ulrich Drepper \ ,-----------------' \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA Red Hat `--' drepper at redhat.com `--------------------------- From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sat Sep 27 20:10:53 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:10:53 -0400 Subject: Where is the ACPI? In-Reply-To: <20030927195324.GB1614@redhat.com> References: <20030927191353.GA7781@prince.homelinux.org> <20030927195324.GB1614@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030927201053.GC7952@prince.homelinux.org> The addition of the "acpi=on" boot parameter worked somewhat. I get a PID for acpid now, but the /etc/acpi/events/sample.conf file doesn't work. It indicates that the machine will shut down when the power button is pressed. However, pressing the power button does nothing. Is there something else I need to do other than file a bug? Thanks, Prince From michael at ywow.org Sat Sep 27 20:11:32 2003 From: michael at ywow.org (MJang) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:11:32 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <021b01c3852d$4f7efa10$201e16ac@AllAccess> <20030927194155.GA7952@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <024d01c38533$8c238430$201e16ac@AllAccess> Dear Prince, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorenzo Prince" > Using the rescue CD, the system reboots without a problem. It's only when the system is booted from the hard drive that > there is a problem. Then as I asked before, what is your dmesg output, what is your /var/log/messages output. What's the message when Severn stops booting. Do you get to a GRUB, or does it stop some way through the process. And Elton's questions also apply. There are thousands of possibilities. Unless you give us specific information, it is not possible to help you. Thanks, Mike From seanlkml at rogers.com Sat Sep 27 20:13:49 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:13:49 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20030927161349.6dbb74a3.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:57:50 +0200 Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > > > get dmidecode http://savannah.nongnu.org/dmidecode > > sorry, web site is http://www.nongnu.org/dmidecode > > Smoking Crack Often > > Precompiled version of dmidecode is in the kernel-utils package on the first CD. Cheers, Sean. From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sat Sep 27 20:18:28 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:18:28 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20030927201828.GD7952@prince.homelinux.org> Xose Vazquez Perez staggered into view and mumbled: > http://savannah.nongnu.org/dmidecode >From the above URL: oopps ! The web page you are trying to access doesn't exist on savannah.nongnu.org. If you think that there's a broken link on savannah.nongnu.org that must be repaired, write us a word, mentioning concerned page, on the [21][ Support Manager ]. Prince From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sat Sep 27 20:20:17 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:20:17 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20030927202017.GE7952@prince.homelinux.org> Xose Vazquez Perez staggered into view and mumbled: > http://www.nongnu.org/dmidecode Oh. Got it. Thanks. Prince From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sat Sep 27 20:24:38 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:24:38 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F75F206.9090001@tampabay.rr.com> Ulrich Drepper wrote: > Panu Matilainen wrote: > > >>Yeah, I find it rather sickening: MS Office (Word) running in Wine starts AGES >>before OO even gets around to show the stupid (because it gets in the way) >>banner. > > > You're comparing apples and oranges, and I don't mean the programs here. > Has Panu tried OO 1.1? That starts up VERY fast for my. I also just installed StarOffice 7 and that sucker starts up even faster. SO7 starts in about 4-5 seconds on a P4 1.7GHz with 512MB. Not too bad IMO. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From elwoo at videotron.ca Sat Sep 27 20:26:09 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:26:09 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core Message-ID: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> Gripe 1: why oh, *why* does sendmail take so looooooog to boot? Except for this stick in the mud, everything else boots fast ... on an AMD ... Gripe 2: smartd ... *really*??? I thought it caused the *two* kernel oopses because I left a diskette in the ls-120 (/dev/hdc) drive. It also complains of read errors on the *empty* drive, as well as the other _empty_ DVD (/dev/hdd) and CDRW (/dev/hdc) drives. The "three-finger salute" doesn't help, only hitting the reset button does... :-( Elton. P.S. Am I the only one who's thinking that maybe Severn and (now) Fedora Core doesn't like Athlons?? -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From davej at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 20:34:15 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:34:15 +0100 Subject: Where is the ACPI? In-Reply-To: <20030927201053.GC7952@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030927191353.GA7781@prince.homelinux.org> <20030927195324.GB1614@redhat.com> <20030927201053.GC7952@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20030927203415.GC1614@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 04:10:53PM -0400, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > The addition of the "acpi=on" boot parameter worked somewhat. I get a PID for acpid > now, but the /etc/acpi/events/sample.conf file doesn't work. It indicates > that the machine will shut down when the power button is pressed. However, pressing the > power button does nothing. Is there something else I need to do other than file a bug? There's a known regression where acpi power-off doesn't seem to work. It's likely this is hitting the same bug. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From lowen at pari.edu Sat Sep 27 20:36:51 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:36:51 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200309271636.51963.lowen@pari.edu> On Saturday 27 September 2003 04:26 pm, Elton Woo wrote: > Gripe 1: why oh, *why* does sendmail take so looooooog to boot? > Except for this stick in the mud, everything else boots fast ... on an > AMD ... DNS issues? I have an Athlon notebook here that does not exhibit this problem, but the classical 'Sendmail takes a long time' is a DNS deal, IIRC, even on a machine not connected to the net. > Gripe 2: smartd ... *really*??? I thought it caused the *two* kernel > oopses because I left a diskette in the ls-120 (/dev/hdc) drive. > It also complains of read errors on the *empty* drive, as well as the > other _empty_ DVD (/dev/hdd) and CDRW (/dev/hdc) drives. I see an error from my CD/RW drive from smartd too, but the boot continues. > P.S. Am I the only one who's thinking that maybe Severn and > (now) Fedora Core doesn't like Athlons?? It seems to like mine: Sony VAIO FXA-49 notebook, latest BIOS. Athlon 4 1.2G 512MB RAM 40GB IBM/Hitachi 5400RPM ATA100 drive ATI M1 Mobility video 15.1 TFT display CD/RW. RTL8139 Ethernet. All the hardware seems to work fine. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From joe at tmsusa.com Sat Sep 27 20:39:40 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:39:40 -0700 Subject: [OT] SO 7? In-Reply-To: <3F75F206.9090001@tampabay.rr.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> <3F75F206.9090001@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F75F58C.1030001@tmsusa.com> Jim Drabb wrote: > > > Has Panu tried OO 1.1? That starts up VERY fast for my. I also just > installed StarOffice 7 and that sucker starts up even faster. SO7 > starts in about 4-5 seconds on a P4 1.7GHz with 512MB. Not too bad IMO. If I could find SO 7 I'd buy it - but the staroffice.com site seems to know nothing about it - what am I missing? Joe From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 20:57:10 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:57:10 +0200 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> <20030927161349.6dbb74a3.seanlkml@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3F75F9A6.2070502@wanadoo.es> Sean Estabrooks wrote: > Precompiled version of dmidecode is in the kernel-utils package on the > first CD. very, very old. new dmidecode-2.2 shows a lot of more information. -- Smoking Crack Often From terraformers at gmx.net Sat Sep 27 21:12:45 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:12:45 +0200 Subject: Fedora2 up2date fails at livna.org load Message-ID: <200309272312.45920.terraformers@gmx.net> seems this behavior is triggered when some files are not found. i ported some reps. from apt (synaptic) to up2date and there was a "/" too much in the url. example: the line in apt sources.list rpm http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable testing unstable has to be changed to this in up2date sources apt fedora-core-extras http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable testing unstable here is my complete up2date sources file, maybe you like it ----------------------snip---------------------------- # up2date sources up2date default apt fedora-core-extras http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable testing unstable apt rawhide http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/rawhide/i386 os apt kernel-2.6 http://people.redhat.com arjanv/2.5 kernel apt fedora-extras-kde-redhat ftp://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat 9 stable testing unstable apt fedora-extras-kde-redhat-all ftp://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat all stable testing unstable apt freshrpms http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386 freshrpms # apt planetccrma http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt redhat/9/en/i386 planetccrma # yum rep-name http://path/to/files # dir my-rpms /var/spool/RPMS/ ----------------------snip----------------------------- hope this helps, lars From shrek-m at gmx.de Sat Sep 27 21:37:54 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:37:54 +0200 Subject: [OT] SO 7? In-Reply-To: <3F75F58C.1030001@tmsusa.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> <3F75F206.9090001@tampabay.rr.com> <3F75F58C.1030001@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3F760332.2080706@gmx.de> Joe wrote: > Jim Drabb wrote: > >> >> >> Has Panu tried OO 1.1? That starts up VERY fast for my. I also just >> installed StarOffice 7 and that sucker starts up even faster. SO7 >> starts in about 4-5 seconds on a P4 1.7GHz with 512MB. Not too bad IMO. > > > If I could find SO 7 I'd buy it - but the staroffice.com site seems to > know nothing about it - what am I missing? newsletters, online-shops, ... ;-) http://www.linuxland.de/katalog/03_desktopanw/office_suites/staroffice7/framify -- shrek-m From mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com Sat Sep 27 21:52:39 2003 From: mbarrientos at cfl.rr.com (Mario) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:52:39 -0400 Subject: Test2: Installation aborted installing Samba packages Message-ID: <3F7606A7.30105@cfl.rr.com> Hi all, I got my installation aborted yesterday, I chose all the packages, but I got an error when Samba was being installed. The msg said that my CD 1 was damaged, and the installation was aborted. Using the same CD I chose a' Workstation' installation and it finished successfully. Today I checked the checksum of the ISO files that I downloaded and with md5sum and the checksum was the same as the one included in the site I got these files. I also mounted the CD1 and installed manually Samba, but I got some warnings: [root at 197 RPMS]# rpm -ivh samba-client-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm warning: samba-client-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 897da 07a Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:samba-client ########################################### [100%] [root at 197 RPMS]# rpm -ivh samba-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm warning: samba-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 897da07a Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:samba ########################################### [100%] That was the reason the installer aborted the installation yesterday? Something strange that I found today is that the application used to install the packages (under System settings -> add/remove applications) couldn't install Samba. I got the packages lists, but without the check button to select them. Maybe it was related to the same problem. Any comment is welcome. Regards Mario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Sat Sep 27 22:16:09 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Test2: Installation aborted installing Samba packages In-Reply-To: <3F7606A7.30105@cfl.rr.com> from "Mario" at Sep 27, 2003 05:52:39 PM Message-ID: <200309272216.h8RMG9620552@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> > Hi all, > > I got my installation aborted yesterday, I chose all the packages, but I got > an error when Samba was being installed. The msg said that my CD 1 was > damaged, and the installation was aborted. When I upgraded to beta1 from RH 9, I was using CDs that were starting to go bad (about 15 hours after burning them!), and I had the same problem, but was able to finish the upgrade by restarting the installation, selecting "upgrade existing installation", and the install picked up where it left off. I was getting sporadic read errors, and it was able to successfully read the same package the second time. I had to restart twice, since I got the same type of error on a later package, also. > Using the same CD I chose a' Workstation' installation and it finished > successfully. > > Today I checked the checksum of the ISO files that I downloaded and with > md5sum > and the checksum was the same as the one included in the site I got > these files. I also > mounted the CD1 and installed manually Samba, but I got some warnings: > > > [root at 197 RPMS]# rpm -ivh samba-client-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm > warning: samba-client-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key > ID 897da 07a > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > 1:samba-client ########################################### > [100%] > [root at 197 RPMS]# rpm -ivh samba-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm > warning: samba-3.0.0-5rc1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 897da07a > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > 1:samba ########################################### > [100%] This is normal. After doing the install, I got the same warning when adding packages later. You can get rid of it by going to http://www.redhat.com/solutions/security/news/publickey.html and downloading the GPG key 897da07a.txt under the "Beta Package Signing" section, and importing it with "rpm --import 897da07a.txt". This isn't why the installer aborted. > That was the reason the installer aborted the installation yesterday? From seanlkml at rogers.com Sat Sep 27 22:24:30 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:24:30 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <3F75F9A6.2070502@wanadoo.es> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> <20030927161349.6dbb74a3.seanlkml@rogers.com> <3F75F9A6.2070502@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20030927182430.4c38457d.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:57:10 +0200 Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > Sean Estabrooks wrote: > > > Precompiled version of dmidecode is in the kernel-utils package on the > > first CD. > > very, very old. > > new dmidecode-2.2 shows a lot of more information. Good point. If you want you can grab an updated source rpm with both dmidecode 2.2 and biosdecode: http://members.rogers.com/seanlkml/kernel-utils-2.4-8.32.src.rpm > Smoking Crack Often any chance you could let this go ? Regards, Sean From xose at wanadoo.es Sat Sep 27 22:29:35 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:29:35 +0200 Subject: [OT] Re: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> <20030927161349.6dbb74a3.seanlkml@rogers.com> <3F75F9A6.2070502@wanadoo.es> <20030927182430.4c38457d.seanlkml@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3F760F4F.8050306@wanadoo.es> Sean Estabrooks wrote: >> Smoking Crack Often > > any chance you could let this go ? not me!, take a look again ;-) -- S moking C rack O ften From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Sat Sep 27 22:30:26 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:30:26 +0200 Subject: Packaging Standards Message-ID: <1064701826.3542.6.camel@albert> I think one other thing Fedora could try to do is come up with a packaging standard that they could encourage other rpm distributors (third party) to follow. For example, Gstreamer involves a lot of plugins for multimedia, and you will find out that many people try to put these plugins in huge single packages, and others prefer to distribute them singly. I think a case could be made for each approach, but sometimes this can cause problems. A suggestion in this case would be to encourage people to distribute the packages singly, but if someone is interested in distributing them together, they could create a container package which depends on all the plugin packages to be installed. So instead of gstreamer-plugins being one huge file, it could be a small file which apt uses to pull in dependencies. This way, when someone releases a new plugin, one doesn't have to repackage the whole thing, just offer the new plugin in its place, and it is much easier to keep this up to date IMO of course. Any comments. From redhat-jc at insight.rr.com Sat Sep 27 22:31:33 2003 From: redhat-jc at insight.rr.com (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:31:33 -0400 Subject: fedora test2: ACPI failure on Sony laptop In-Reply-To: <20030927120505.74563.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030927120505.74563.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F760FC5.60809@insight.rr.com> G Schneider wrote: > I installed fedora test2 on a Sony GRX700 laptop: > > ACPI does not work. It works fine on severn beta1 and > on RH9 + vanilla 2.4.22 kernel. > > If I try loading the acpi related modules I get errors > like > > # /sbin/modprobe ac > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o: > init_module: No such device > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module > parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. > You may find more information in syslog or the > output from dmesg > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o: > insmod > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o > failed > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o: > insmod ac failed > > in dmesg I find the line > > ACPI: Subsystem revision 20030916 > ACPI: Interpreter disabled. <====== > PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd9ca, last > bus=2 > > Instead apm is running, including the apmd daemon. Of > course on this laptop acpi is necessary for almost > everything. > > > > I just chose the battery ICON from the panel and it was not wrking until I modprobed battery and ac. I then ran insmod ac and insmod battery. It came back that they were already loaded. BTW - The battery ICON worked right after running only modprobe on the two modules. Have you tried to simply run modprobe for the modules. I had trouble on a prior computer with insmod, but it worked when modprobing instead. ACPI is a VERY important thing to have working on this laptop also. Jim Upgrading to Fedora core: 2 machines upgraded from Rawhide to severn. One PIII desktop, 24 packages installed. For this laptop (ACPI critical) 22 packages installed. Both work great, after upgrades. -- The computer industry is journalists in their 20's standing in awe of entrepreneurs in their 30's who are hiring salesmen in their 40's and 50's and paying them in the 60's and 70's to bring their marketing into the 80's. -- Marty Winston From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sat Sep 27 22:42:12 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:42:12 -0600 Subject: [OT] SO 7? In-Reply-To: <3F75F58C.1030001@tmsusa.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> <3F75F206.9090001@tampabay.rr.com> <3F75F58C.1030001@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <1064702532.19302.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 14:39, Joe wrote: > > Has Panu tried OO 1.1? That starts up VERY fast for my. I also just > > installed StarOffice 7 and that sucker starts up even faster. SO7 > > starts in about 4-5 seconds on a P4 1.7GHz with 512MB. Not too bad IMO. > > If I could find SO 7 I'd buy it - but the staroffice.com site seems to > know nothing about it - what am I missing? I have SO7 (Eval version) installed on Severn2. I downloaded it from Sun at http://www.sun.com/staroffice and it works just fine. I had OOo 1.1rc4 installed before on Severn1. Performance between the two is almost identical - e.g. I have NOT seen any noticeable difference in performance or load times between SO7/Severn2 and OOo 1.1rc4/Severn1. There are small differences in the logos and where the menus appear. That's about all though. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From katzj at redhat.com Sat Sep 27 22:49:42 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:49:42 -0400 Subject: mixed Languages/missing Translations in anaconda & firstboot In-Reply-To: <3F75E14D.6000409@muenster.de> References: <3F75E14D.6000409@muenster.de> Message-ID: <1064702981.3154.17.camel@edoras.local.net> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 15:13, Christoph Wickert wrote: > After a fresh install with german & english language selectet, firstboot > showed a mix of both. TOC on the left, headings & buttons are german, > while main text is english. Yep, as text changes, the translations get out of date, especially as I don't know German ;-) http://i18n.redhat.com/i18n/ has information on how to sign-up to help with translations. Cheers, Jeremy From chrisw01 at privatei.com Sat Sep 27 22:58:10 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:58:10 -0600 Subject: Fedora2 up2date fails at livna.org load In-Reply-To: <200309272312.45920.terraformers@gmx.net> References: <200309272312.45920.terraformers@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1064703490.19302.7.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 15:12, lars wrote: > seems this behavior is triggered when some files are not found. > i ported some reps. from apt (synaptic) to up2date and there was a "/" too much in the url. > > example: > the line in apt sources.list > rpm http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/ redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable testing unstable > > has to be changed to this in up2date sources > apt fedora-core-extras http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable testing unstable > Thanks - That fixed the problem. Looks like livna.org is the problem. The other sites work just fine. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From dennis at ausil.us Sat Sep 27 23:36:08 2003 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:36:08 +1000 Subject: Packaging Standards In-Reply-To: <1064701826.3542.6.camel@albert> References: <1064701826.3542.6.camel@albert> Message-ID: <200309280936.17696.dennis@ausil.us> Once upon a time at band camp Sun, 28 Sep 2003 8:30 am, Maynard Kuona wrote: > Any comments. > have a look at fedora.us there is a whole bunch of specifications as to how packages should be packaged. Dennis > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <200309271951.58028.elwoo@videotron.ca> For some reason I can't get gedit to run anymore. >From the console, I get this output: ============================================== ]$ gedit gedit: /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0: version `=\EI:cd=\EY:ce=\ET:cl=\E+:cm=\E=%+ %+ :dc=\EW:\ :dl=5*\ER:do=^V:ei=:ic=\EQ:im=:is=\Eg\El:k0=^A@\r:k1=^AA\r:\ :k2=^AB\r:k3=^AC\r:k4=^AD\r:k5=^AE\r:k6=^AF\r:k7=^AG\r:\ :k8=^AH\r:k9=^AI\r:kb=^H:kd=^V:kh=^^:kl=^H:kr=^L:ku=^K:le=^H:\ :mk@:nd=^L:ta=^I:up=^K:vb=\Eb\Ed:ve=\E.4:vi=\E.0:tc=adm+sgr: # (ampex: removed :if=/usr/share/tabset/amp-132:, no file and no :st: --' not found (required by gedit) gedit: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `Y:ce=\ET:cl=\E+:cm=\E=%+ %+ :dc=\EW:\ :dl=5*\ER:do=^V:ei=:ic=\EQ:im=:is=\Eg\El:k0=^A@\r:k1=^AA\r:\ :k2=^AB\r:k3=^AC\r:k4=^AD\r:k5=^AE\r:k6=^AF\r:k7=^AG\r:\ :k8=^AH\r:k9=^AI\r:kb=^H:kd=^V:kh=^^:kl=^H:kr=^L:ku=^K:le=^H:\ :mk@:nd=^L:ta=^I:up=^K:vb=\Eb\Ed:ve=\E.4:vi=\E.0:tc=adm+sgr: # (ampex: removed :if=/usr/share/tabset/amp-132:, no file and no :st: --' not found (required by gedit) gedit: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `l=\E+:cm=\E=%+ %+ :dc=\EW:\ :dl=5*\ER:do=^V:ei=:ic=\EQ:im=:is=\Eg\El:k0=^A@\r:k1=^AA\r:\ :k2=^AB\r:k3=^AC\r:k4=^AD\r:k5=^AE\r:k6=^AF\r:k7=^AG\r:\ :k8=^AH\r:k9=^AI\r:kb=^H:kd=^V:kh=^^:kl=^H:kr=^L:ku=^K:le=^H:\ :mk@:nd=^L:ta=^I:up=^K:vb=\Eb\Ed:ve=\E.4:vi=\E.0:tc=adm+sgr: # (ampex: removed :if=/usr/share/tabset/amp-132:, no file and no :st: --' not found (required by gedit) gedit: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `=\EI:cd=\EY:ce=\ET:cl=\E+:cm=\E=%+ %+ :dc=\EW:\ :dl=5*\ER:do=^V:ei=:ic=\EQ:im=:is=\Eg\El:k0=^A@\r:k1=^AA\r:\ :k2=^AB\r:k3=^AC\r:k4=^AD\r:k5=^AE\r:k6=^AF\r:k7=^AG\r:\ :k8=^AH\r:k9=^AI\r:kb=^H:kd=^V:kh=^^:kl=^H:kr=^L:ku=^K:le=^H:\ :mk@:nd=^L:ta=^I:up=^K:vb=\Eb\Ed:ve=\E.4:vi=\E.0:tc=adm+sgr: # (ampex: removed :if=/usr/share/tabset/amp-132:, no file and no :st: --' not found (required by gedit) ============================================== I recently installed the NVidia drivers, using export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 in order for the module to be complied with the default Fedora kernel. I did notice some strange behavoir a few minutes age, while playing Shisen-sho: the screen would suddenly go out of sync, and I had to hit a key (moving the mouse didn't work) to restore my screen... Did my glibc libraries get corrupted? Recently during Severn beta1, and now with Fedora Core, I would "lose" the mouse pointer, or it would freeze. Unplugging and replugging the (USB) mouse into the hub would fix this frequent occurrence.... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From hosting at j2solutions.net Sat Sep 27 23:58:46 2003 From: hosting at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:58:46 -0700 Subject: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <200309271951.58028.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> On Saturday, Sep 27, 2003, at 16:51 US/Pacific, Elton Woo wrote: > I recently installed the NVidia drivers, using export > IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 > in order for the module to be complied with the default Fedora kernel. You should have changed the $CC variable instead to the version of gcc included with Fedora that matches the gcc that was used to compile the kernel. Mismatching GCCs for kernel modules can lead to breakage. For that matter, I don't know if anybody should be using Nvidia drivers with the beta, as it will corrupt any reasonable kernel issue found, as it will be tainted. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com Sun Sep 28 00:08:37 2003 From: dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com (Dave Ashby) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:08:37 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> Elton Woo wrote: >Gripe 1: why oh, *why* does sendmail take so looooooog to boot? >Except for this stick in the mud, everything else boots fast ... on an >AMD ... > Make sure the first line in your /etc/hosts file is 127.0.0.1 and your box name (technically FQN and then nickname). If you have other entries above it, sendmail will hang during boot. >Gripe 2: smartd ... *really*??? I thought it caused the *two* kernel >oopses because I left a diskette in the ls-120 (/dev/hdc) drive. >It also complains of read errors on the *empty* drive, as well as the >other _empty_ DVD (/dev/hdd) and CDRW (/dev/hdc) drives. > >The "three-finger salute" doesn't help, only hitting the reset button >does... :-( > > I get this too, but doesn't hang startup. I've had issues in the past with kudzu hanging my startup - maybe disable kudzu and try again?? HTH, -dave > >Elton. > >P.S. Am I the only one who's thinking that maybe Severn and >(now) Fedora Core doesn't like Athlons?? > > > From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 00:11:14 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:11:14 -0700 Subject: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <3F762722.8060705@tmsusa.com> Jesse Keating wrote: > On Saturday, Sep 27, 2003, at 16:51 US/Pacific, Elton Woo wrote: > >> I recently installed the NVidia drivers, using export >> IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 >> in order for the module to be complied with the default Fedora kernel. > > > You should have changed the $CC variable instead to the version of gcc > included with Fedora that matches the gcc that was used to compile the > kernel. Mismatching GCCs for kernel modules can lead to breakage. > > For that matter, I don't know if anybody should be using Nvidia > drivers with the beta, as it will corrupt any reasonable kernel issue > found, as it will be tainted. Well, unless I want embarrasingly slow software emulation of 3D stuff, and missing features needed by the media players, I need the "evil" commercial nvidia driver. But agreed, don't mask the problem with IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, but rather set CC=gcc32 and build the driver. Joe -- happily running nvidia accelerated 3D video on 8.0.94 From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 00:11:56 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:11:56 -0400 Subject: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200309272011.56804.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 07:58 pm, Jesse Keating > wrote: > On Saturday, Sep 27, 2003, at 16:51 US/Pacific, Elton Woo wrote: > > I recently installed the NVidia drivers, using export > > IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 > > in order for the module to be complied with the default Fedora kernel. > > You should have changed the $CC variable instead to the version of gcc > included with Fedora that matches the gcc that was used to compile the > kernel. Mismatching GCCs for kernel modules can lead to breakage. ... erm, well the Nvidia drivers *did* compile using "IGNORE..." It's after posting the message, I realised that I had not re-edited /etc/X11/XF86Config. I've done so, and just rebooted. Now gedit runs again from the menu, and from a console window. > For that matter, I don't know if anybody should be using Nvidia drivers > with the beta, as it will corrupt any reasonable kernel issue found, as > it will be tainted. Good point. However, I think I can safely say that those of us who are using the nVidia drivers have made it a point of mentioning this in any bug reports, and the Red Hatters are taking this into account. In any case, I was able to boot into the system, after re-editing inittab to do a graphical login. I had simply forgotten the extra step of modifying XF86Config. <*WHEW*>!!! ... escaped by the skin of my teeth! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 00:18:22 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:18:22 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> Message-ID: <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 08:08 pm, Dave Ashby > wrote: > Make sure the first line in your /etc/hosts file is 127.0.0.1 and your > box name (technically FQN and then nickname). If you have other entries > above it, sendmail will hang during boot. My /etc/hosts file: # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost Sendmail doesn't hang, it just takes so bloody looong! I've just disabled it from startup services, and the boot process is much, MUCH quicker!! > >Gripe 2: smartd ... *really*??? I thought it caused the *two* kernel > >oopses because I left a diskette in the ls-120 (/dev/hdc) drive. > >It also complains of read errors on the *empty* drive, as well as the > >other _empty_ DVD (/dev/hdd) and CDRW (/dev/hdc) drives. > > > >The "three-finger salute" doesn't help, only hitting the reset button > >does... :-( > > I get this too, but doesn't hang startup. I've had issues in the past > with kudzu hanging my startup - maybe disable kudzu and try again?? The hang was result of the oopses. However, I get your point. Once Fedora is installed, I don't really need kudzu, since I don't do hardware changes ( ...at the most, probably the addition of a new peripheral once a year or so... ). I've just disabled kudzu, so that ought to shorten boot time even more. Thanks! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 00:46:59 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:46:59 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F762F83.3090006@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >On September 27, 2003 08:08 pm, Dave Ashby > wrote: > > > >>Make sure the first line in your /etc/hosts file is 127.0.0.1 and your >>box name (technically FQN and then nickname). If you have other entries >>above it, sendmail will hang during boot. >> >> > >My /etc/hosts file: ># Do not remove the following line, or various programs ># that require network functionality will fail. >127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost >127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost > It looks as though you have an error in your hosts file - I'll bet you anything that the dchp-133-74 does not resolve to 127.0.0.1, but rather to the address of your eth0 interface instead. > >Sendmail doesn't hang, it just takes so bloody looong! I've just >disabled it from startup services, and the boot process is much, >MUCH quicker!! > > postfix is rather snappy to start up, as well as in handling the mail. I have no idea why anyone would want or need all the baggage and complexity of sendmail just for a local smtp transport facility. Joe From dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com Sun Sep 28 00:55:59 2003 From: dave.ashby at 1993.usna.com (Dave Ashby) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:55:59 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F76319F.9090703@1993.usna.com> Elton Woo wrote: >On September 27, 2003 08:08 pm, Dave Ashby > wrote: > > > >>Make sure the first line in your /etc/hosts file is 127.0.0.1 and your >>box name (technically FQN and then nickname). If you have other entries >>above it, sendmail will hang during boot. >> >> > >My /etc/hosts file: ># Do not remove the following line, or various programs ># that require network functionality will fail. >127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost >127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost > >Sendmail doesn't hang, it just takes so bloody looong! I've just >disabled it from startup services, and the boot process is much, >MUCH quicker!! > > > Sorry if my misspeak confused you - Sendmail should eventually recover and move on, it just takes a while. I had similar observable until I moved my localhost entry from last line of /etc/hosts to first line. It looks like this now: # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 Seminole.cxm Seminole 192.168.1.101 Seminole Seminole I'm thinking the double entry for 127.0.0.1 is what is hanging you up. -dave >>>Gripe 2: smartd ... *really*??? I thought it caused the *two* kernel >>>oopses because I left a diskette in the ls-120 (/dev/hdc) drive. >>>It also complains of read errors on the *empty* drive, as well as the >>>other _empty_ DVD (/dev/hdd) and CDRW (/dev/hdc) drives. >>> >>>The "three-finger salute" doesn't help, only hitting the reset button >>>does... :-( >>> >>> >>I get this too, but doesn't hang startup. I've had issues in the past >>with kudzu hanging my startup - maybe disable kudzu and try again?? >> >> > >The hang was result of the oopses. However, I get your point. >Once Fedora is installed, I don't really need kudzu, since I don't do >hardware changes ( ...at the most, probably the addition of a new >peripheral once a year or so... ). > >I've just disabled kudzu, so that ought to shorten boot time even >more. Thanks! > >Elton ;-) > > From benhsu at dslextreme.com Sun Sep 28 01:02:25 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:02:25 -0700 Subject: kernel compilation fails In-Reply-To: <1064682754.3073.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064682754.3073.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064710945.3073.388.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 10:12, Ben Hsu wrote: > > It looks like the problem is that in kernel.c the definition of > "active_load_balance" is surrounded by #if CONFIG_SHARE_RUNQUEUE, but > the actual call to that function on line 1712 is not in such an #if. > I tracked down the problem that the definition of the active_load_rebalance on line 1321 is inside of an #ifdef CONFIG_SMP on 1087 I compiled with SMP enabled and it worked, is it safe for uniprocessor machines to run with SMP enabled? From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 01:12:04 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:12:04 -0500 Subject: OT: touchpad with scrolling capabilities Message-ID: <1064711524.3771.3.camel@argentina> I know that this doesn't belong to this list, but I would like to know where should I mention this. I have a new Toshiba notebook and one thing that I really like about my touchpad is that if I move my finger at the right part of it upwards or downwards it scrolls the windows up and down. If I do the same, with my finger at the bottom part and moving to the left and right, it scrolls horizontally the window where I am. Does anyone know who should I comment of this functionality? From fenlason at redhat.com Sun Sep 28 01:37:08 2003 From: fenlason at redhat.com (Jay Fenlason) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:37:08 -0400 Subject: problems with samba 3 In-Reply-To: <000201c38509$9c104e20$152ea8c0@august> References: <000201c38509$9c104e20$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <20030928013708.GA8577@redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 05:10:54PM +0200, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > Hello again, > > >Try: > > > map to guest = Bad User > > >Browsing Samba servers anonymously (ie, no name/password) is disabled by > >default now (for obvious security reasons) - you must explicitly enable > >it. > > Didn't solved my problem. I've experimented with > > security = user > > and > > security = share > > same effect: > > you see the Linux-box from WinXP, but you can't browse it. > > Searching for the problem goes on.... Did you try the SignOrSeal registry fix on the XP box? I'm not sure if it's still required with Samba 3.0, but trying it can't hurt. . . -- JF From seandarcy at hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 01:39:05 2003 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:39:05 -0400 Subject: 94 text install fails Message-ID: The severn -94 text install failed just after the choice of upgrade or reinstall. Here's the traceback: File "/usr/bin/anaconda", line 1106 in ? intf.run(id, dispatch, configFileData) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 451, in run rc = apply (win, (self.screen,) + args) TypeError: __call__() takes exactly 2 arguments ( 4 given ) Did a graphical install. worked fine. sean _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sun Sep 28 01:40:38 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:40:38 -0400 Subject: ACPI and reboot problems solved Message-ID: <20030928014038.GA5226@prince.homelinux.org> Well, I fixed my laptop and now the power button not only runs the shutdown command properly, but the computer actually shuts all the way down properly. Also, the 3-finger solute and the reboot command now work as expected. Seems I did something very stupid. Instead of backing up my files over the network and moving them back after install, I decided to simply try renaming /etc, /home and /root and removing /var, /usr/ /bin, /sbin and a fiew other things that I new if left in place would cause conflicts. Then I installed the test release without formatting the / partition. Apparently, there were still conflicts for some reason. I discovered that the file /etc/redhat-release and rpm -qi redhat-release said 2 different things. I then actually copied all the omportant stuff to my server and reinstalled, this time formatting all partitions, and this time, SUCCESS! So far, everything that I was having trouble with is working as expected. Now to see if I still get the error in the Gnome volume control... Thanks for the help, Prince From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 01:51:06 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:51:06 -0500 Subject: abiword crashes Message-ID: <1064713866.4047.2.camel@argentina> When I try to save a document in abiword it crash and at the console says:"pure virtual method called" Does anyone have this problem? Do I need to put it in bugzilla? From smoogen at lanl.gov Sun Sep 28 01:59:01 2003 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: redhat-config-packages bugs In-Reply-To: <200309271745.18102.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >Once upon a time at band camp Sat, 27 Sep 2003 3:01 pm, Craig Ringer wrote: >> > i did an upgrade on my laptop from Red Hat 9 to test 2. >> >> You're better off clean-installing the betas. > >Clean installs defeat the purpose of part of the beta testing process, i.e >how are upgrades handled. if noonw tests an upgrade during beta period how >will upgrade bugs be found? > The only valid tests are upgrading from a release to a beta. If you installed beta1 you should either reinstall 9 and then upgrade to severn2... or do a clean install. beta to beta has never been supported or will ever be because it is not a valid QA process. Now the real test is to install up the trail... go from RHL 2.1, 3.0.3, 4.0,4.1,5.0,5.1,5.2,6.0,6.1,6.2,7.0,7.1,7.2,7.3,8.0,9 and then see what cruft is left over :). -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Labrador CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 5-8058 Ta-03 SM-261 MailStop P208 DP 17U Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- So shines a good deed in a weary world. = Willy Wonka -- From gstool at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 02:04:27 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:04:27 -0500 Subject: abiword crashes In-Reply-To: <1064713866.4047.2.camel@argentina> References: <1064713866.4047.2.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <1064714667.6230.35.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 20:51, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > When I try to save a document in abiword it crash and at the console > says:"pure virtual method called" > > Does anyone have this problem? Do I need to put it in bugzilla? Abiword saves OK on my system. Gerry From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 02:13:21 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:13:21 -0400 Subject: Nvidia drivers (was - Re: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <3F762722.8060705@tmsusa.com> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> <3F762722.8060705@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200309272213.21680.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 08:11 pm, Joe > wrote: > But agreed, don't mask the problem with IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, but rather > set CC=gcc32 and build the driver. So I should re-run the Nvidia drivers, but this time instead of "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1", I should do: "set CC=gcc32". Is this the correct syntax? TIA, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From cer09566 at students.fct.unl.pt Sun Sep 28 02:20:18 2003 From: cer09566 at students.fct.unl.pt (Carlos Rodrigues) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:20:18 +0100 Subject: gcc32 and kgcc Message-ID: <3F764562.7000700@students.fct.unl.pt> Hi! I'm not using the latest Fedora Core test release (still running Red Hat 9) so what I'm going to say next is only what came to my mind after reading the release notes, if it doesn't make sense or is already a reality just ignore it. In the Fedora Core test release there is a package called "gcc32" which contains the compiler used to build the kernel. To compile third-party modules one has to use this same compiler. However, third-party modules do not know that they shouldn't be using CC=gcc and should instead be using CC=gcc32. This forces users to do things manually (like for the nvidia drivers). It seems to me that there should be some sort of "standard" name for the compiler executable used to build the kernel in order to simplify things. My suggestion is a "kgcc" symlink. This "kgcc" would be sure to exist from now on, pointing to "gcc32" now but maybe pointing to "gcc" in the future when all gcc 3.3 issues in the kernel are eliminated. This means that now it would be provided in the gcc32's rpm but in the future it could change to gcc's (there could even be a "Provides: kgcc"). If this ends up in other distros (or as a requirement in the LSB) it would mean that modules could simply rely on the existence of "kgcc" and be free from this "CC=gcc32" stuff (at the very least the nvidia guys could just add a check for kgcc to fix things on Red Hat/Fedora and never bother to look at it again). My rationale is that this is bound to happen again in the future and why not fix it now, forever? Anyway, just a thought. -- Carlos Rodrigues email: cer09566 at students.fct.unl.pt url: http://crodrigues.webhop.net From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Sep 28 02:28:07 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:28:07 +0700 Subject: Up2date from rawhide on severn2 In-Reply-To: <1064669580.16101.15.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> References: <1064665012.19532.1.camel@techbyte.com.br> <1064669580.16101.15.camel@bart.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <1064716087.13614.4.camel@bushido> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 20:33, Mike Chambers wrote: > Looks like there isn't a beta/rawhide channel yet for beta 2. Either > wait until they get one created, or if you do or can mirror rawhide from > somewhere, do that and then just add that local directory to your > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file and you won't have to wait. > Or use the Apt Rawhide mirror at freshrpms.net? Has anyone tried using it with recent versions of up2date? I tried sometimes around last month and found apt-get still outperforming up2date... after that, I set up2date to only update from the RHN Beta channel so I could be sure of catching the most important updates that way. Regards, Michel From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 02:17:08 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:17:08 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F76319F.9090703@1993.usna.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F76319F.9090703@1993.usna.com> Message-ID: <200309272217.08814.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 08:55 pm, Dave Ashby > wrote: > >My /etc/hosts file: > ># Do not remove the following line, or various programs > ># that require network functionality will fail. > >127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > >127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost > > > >Sendmail doesn't hang, it just takes so bloody looong! I've just > >disabled it from startup services, and the boot process is much, > >MUCH quicker!! > > > > > > Sorry if my misspeak confused you - Sendmail should eventually recover > and move on, it just takes a while. I had similar observable until I > moved my localhost entry from last line of /etc/hosts to first line. It > looks like this now: > > # Do not remove the following line, or various programs > # that require network functionality will fail. > > 127.0.0.1 Seminole.cxm Seminole > 192.168.1.101 Seminole Seminole > > I'm thinking the double entry for 127.0.0.1 is what is hanging you up. No. I've always found sendmail slow to load, and AFAIK, I don't really need it as this is a standalone machine connected to the Internet via cable. That additional line in my hosts file is to prevent Gnome from constantly griping about not finding dhcp-133-74, that's all! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 02:24:00 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:24:00 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F762F83.3090006@tmsusa.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762F83.3090006@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200309272224.00888.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 08:46 pm, Joe > wrote: > >My /etc/hosts file: > ># Do not remove the following line, or various programs > ># that require network functionality will fail. > >127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > >127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost > > It looks as though you have an error in your hosts file - I'll bet you > anything that the dchp-133-74 does not resolve to 127.0.0.1, > but rather to the address of your eth0 interface instead. You mean I should put the MAC address where I have 127.0.0.1 instead? Thus: 00:e0:29:4f:22:12 dhcp-133-74 ... instead of 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost? > >Sendmail doesn't hang, it just takes so bloody looong! I've just > > postfix is rather snappy to start up, as well as in handling the mail. I > have no idea why anyone would want or need all the baggage and > complexity of sendmail just for a local smtp transport facility. I don't. In fact, I don't think I need either. From what I've been reading on this and in the other beta list, postfix seems to be the preferred one. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 02:31:46 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:31:46 -0400 Subject: OT: touchpad with scrolling capabilities In-Reply-To: <1064711524.3771.3.camel@argentina> References: <1064711524.3771.3.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <200309272231.46786.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 09:12 pm, Santiago Erquicia > wrote: > I have a new Toshiba notebook and one thing that I really like about my > touchpad is that if I move my finger at the right part of it upwards or "it" meaning the screen, or the pointer pad? > downwards it scrolls the windows up and down. If I do the same, with my > finger at the bottom part and moving to the left and right, it scrolls > horizontally the window where I am. If it's the screen, maybe it's like a "touch-screen" feature? <*SHRUG*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 02:44:42 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:44:42 -0500 Subject: OT: touchpad with scrolling capabilities In-Reply-To: <200309272231.46786.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <1064711524.3771.3.camel@argentina> <200309272231.46786.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064717082.4108.1.camel@argentina> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 21:31, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 27, 2003 09:12 pm, Santiago Erquicia > wrote: > > > I have a new Toshiba notebook and one thing that I really like about my > > touchpad is that if I move my finger at the right part of it upwards or > "it" meaning the screen, or the pointer pad? > The pointer pad. It makes really easy to scroll, like a wheel mouse From mitch at metauser.net Sun Sep 28 03:10:51 2003 From: mitch at metauser.net (Mitch Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:10:51 -0600 Subject: Nvidia drivers (was - Re: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <200309272213.21680.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> <3F762722.8060705@tmsusa.com> <200309272213.21680.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064718650.2815.1.camel@venom> > > But agreed, don't mask the problem with IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, but rather > > set CC=gcc32 and build the driver. > So I should re-run the Nvidia drivers, but this time > instead of "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1", I should do: > "set CC=gcc32". Is this the correct syntax? I did both... they seemed to work, but I'm still having stability problems. I would think CC=gcc32 is the best option. From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 03:21:35 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:21:35 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309272224.00888.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762F83.3090006@tmsusa.com> <200309272224.00888.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F7653BF.3030807@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >You mean I should put the MAC address where I have 127.0.0.1 instead? >Thus: 00:e0:29:4f:22:12 dhcp-133-74 ... instead of > 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost? > Nah, you should never have to muck about with a mac address at that level - but if that's a dhcp assigned address, it should probably be something other than a loopback address - >I don't. In fact, I don't think I need either. From what I've been reading >on this and in the other beta list, postfix seems to be the preferred >one. > > Well it's working well for me - very lightweight, but flexible and scalable. Joe From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Sep 28 04:24:35 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 28 Sep 2003 01:24:35 -0300 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? In-Reply-To: <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> Message-ID: On Sep 27, 2003, "Leonard den Ottolander" wrote: > Sorry, but I am loosing you here. Could you explain this in a little more > detail please? Maybe even a step by step? tar -cf bitsandpieces.tar any files or directories that might \ contain files similar or identical to what's in the ISOs mkdir severn-i386-isos for f in 1 2 3; do ln bitsandpieces.tar severn-i386-isos/severn-i386-disc$f.iso ln bitsandpieces.tar severn-i386-isos/severn-SRPMS-disc$f.iso done rsync -av rsync://rsyncserver/.../redhat/beta/severn/en/iso/i386/ \ severn-i386-isos/ --progress > By the way, I don't see how this procedure would result in iso's That's the magic of rsync. It will use whatever bits you throw at it to avoid having to download those parts of the iso images. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Sun Sep 28 04:47:19 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:47:19 +0800 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> References: <1064667492.3f75896482210@webmail.welho.com> <3F75EEA9.7000309@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7667D7.20203@postnewspapers.com.au> > The > current code base should be mostly there. I'm not sure about huge > projects like OO or even mozilla. I had little trouble getting mozilla-1.4 from mozilla.org's redhat contrib to prelink fine on RH9. I _did_ have to cd /usr/lib/mozilla prelink --ld-library-path=`pwd`:`pwd`/components * components/* to make it find the libraries it needs, but it did then work fine. I couldn't get OpenOffice (1.1RC5) to prelink, however - even when told where they were, it didn't want to find all the libs. 2319: runtime linker statistics: 2319: total startup time in dynamic loader: 339993 clock cycles 2319: time needed for relocation: 2895 clock cycles (.8%) 2319: number of relocations: 0 2319: number of relocations from cache: 29 2319: time needed to load objects: 240531 clock cycles (70.7%) Craig Ringer From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Sep 28 04:50:40 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:50:40 +0900 Subject: sound-juicer mp3 support In-Reply-To: References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> Message-ID: <3F7668A0.8050002@tuins.ac.jp> I know RH's policy on mp3 support, but with Grip it was possible to install LAME or such to provide it in order to rip mp3s. How about with sound-juicer? ralston From grant at tuins.ac.jp Sun Sep 28 06:25:52 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:25:52 +0900 Subject: Installing additional packages via system setting still can't access CD In-Reply-To: <3F7668A0.8050002@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> <3F7668A0.8050002@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3F767EF0.7020402@tuins.ac.jp> Remember this problem, and topic, came up before in regard to beta 1, but it still seems to exist. If you try to install additional packages via the Add and Remove Software window, the system still continously prompts for the CD. Is this still one of those to-do items or should I bugzilla it? Ralston From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sun Sep 28 06:32:13 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:32:13 +0200 Subject: problems with samba 3 Message-ID: <002101c3858a$492a8410$152ea8c0@august> >Did you try the SignOrSeal registry fix on the XP box? I'm not sure >if it's still required with Samba 3.0, but trying it can't hurt. . . I can't imagine that this is the point: the connection to XP with samba worked well with RH9 / old samba 2.x, so I think something has changed on the samba / linux side, pointing towards a configuration problem of the new samba 3. Perhaps the problem will be solved when the peole will try to fix redhat-config-samba, which is not working properly in my case. By now, I did the following workaround to communicate with XP: I use smbmount //192.168.0.1/ /mnt/winxp under linux, where 192.168.0.1 is the IP of my XP-box, is a public folder on the XP-box and /mnt/winxp is the mount point on the red hat box. Works in both directions, but it's not satisfying at all. Greetings Rainer From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Sun Sep 28 06:50:16 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:50:16 +0200 Subject: ext3fs crash Message-ID: <002901c3858c$d75b0cd0$152ea8c0@august> Hi, another problem with fedora-core test2: Some processes which origins I couldn't explain produced heavy CPU-load (unfortunately I didn't noted their names, one of them was called fam, so far I remember), so I tried to reboot the system. During reboot sequence, there was a message like "couldn't unmount root filesystem". Booting again, the filesystem check gave a message that the ext3fs is corrupted. Fixing didn't succeed by the automatic sequence, so I rebooted again with +. And now, every time I boot the system, the root file system is mounted as ext2fs, message at boot up like that: EXT-fs warning ... ext2_read_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2 When trying the command "mount", root is shown as ext3, but when I try cat /proc/mounts, you can see clearly that is mounted indeed as ext2. Any ideas how to fix the ext3fs ? Perhaps deleting the old journal (how?) I've allready booted up knoppix live cd and tried to fix the problem with ext3fs.fsck, but there are no problems reported, the filesystem seemed to be o.k., I was able to mount the partition under knoppix as ext3, it works without problems. Any ideas how to fix ext3 under fedora-core ? Rainer From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 28 07:24:22 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:24:22 -0400 Subject: My problems with Test2 Message-ID: <1064733862.23474.17.camel@tiger> Can someone tell me where to log my bugs? Do I still use redhat bugzilla? Under what version is this beta? Ok, the installer went fine for me but when I got to the first boot the mouse did mot work, it was stuck in the corner. I'm using a microsoft ps/2 mouse. is keyboard nav available during first boot? Noticed that console services did not start. I always like to recompile the redhat kernel for my box. I grabbed the kernel srpm modified kernel-2.4.22-i686.config and recompiled. I was able to boot the kernel but modules were not working. As I found out the modules.* files under /lib/modules/2.4.22* were not created. modprobe was looking for modules.dep. Not sure if this is created during build or is part of %post. I'll find more stuff tomorrow. --Lou From pauln at truemesh.com Sun Sep 28 07:28:55 2003 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:28:55 +0100 Subject: OT: touchpad with scrolling capabilities In-Reply-To: <1064711524.3771.3.camel@argentina> References: <1064711524.3771.3.camel@argentina> Message-ID: <20030928072854.GA19991@shitake.truemesh.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 08:12:04PM -0500, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > I have a new Toshiba notebook and one thing that I really like about my > touchpad is that if I move my finger at the right part of it upwards or > downwards it scrolls the windows up and down. > Does anyone know who should I comment of this functionality? I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "who I should comment of this functionality" , as you don't say under what OS you are doing this and whether or not you see this behaviour under Fedora Core (severn). I assume from the fact that you like this behaviour you are seeing it on an alternative OS and not on Fedora and you'd like to see it there (based on my knowledge of ps/2 and synaptics drivers). It however is possible that there could be some hardware or existing input driver that I don't know about that is providing the appropiate "scroll wheel" functionality, if that is the case I'd be curious to know what your Input device settings are in XFree86. In which case it is hats off to Jeremey Katz (anaconday), Mike A Harris (XFree86)and Brent Fox (redhat-config-xfree86) - positive feedback is always good. If you are not seeing this in Fedora you might be intrested in a driver that might go into Fedora Extras for Cambridge timescale is the synaptics touchpad driver that can provide lots of extra functionality for touchpads: http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ Currently the main caveat[1] is interoperability on 2.4 with gpm, there are at least one set of out of tree fixes that fix it, but they are quite large changes. I have also seen various patches on gpm list archives which are all trying to address the problem for 2.6 which may fix 2.4 behaviour too. You may want to track the following bugzilla by adding yourself to the CC list. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=99351 I will not be releasing the driver to fedora.us until the appropriate sdk changes go in (or conversely the fedora.us XFree86-source package is published) and I can resolve gpm interoperablity - preferably by getting upstream to integrate one of the input driver patches - my preference is for the work done here: http://www.geocities.com/dt_or/gpm/gpm.html Paul [1] The second is a one character typo in a patch that I've since resubmitted. ccacche is now my friend for XFree86 compiles. From hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk Sun Sep 28 07:54:34 2003 From: hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk (Telsa Gwynne) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:54:34 +0100 Subject: Bugzilla boo-boo?? In-Reply-To: <200309271547.56884.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271547.56884.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030928075434.GA13303@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:47:56PM -0400 or thereabouts, Elton Woo wrote: > Whilst entering a comment in the following report, I decided to submit > an attachment, and _then_ complete the report: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105802 > > Bugzilla belched this at me: > =================================== > Mid-air collision detected! > Someone else has made changes to this bug at the same time you were trying to. That's Bugzilla's normal behaviour when two people try to do something to the same bug at the same time. It seems logical that it would do the same thing when one person tries to do two different things to the bug at the same time.. Telsa From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 08:19:36 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:19:36 +0200 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> Elton Woo wrote: >On September 27, 2003 08:08 pm, Dave Ashby > wrote: > > > >>Make sure the first line in your /etc/hosts file is 127.0.0.1 and your >>box name (technically FQN and then nickname). If you have other entries >>above it, sendmail will hang during boot. >> >> > >My /etc/hosts file: ># Do not remove the following line, or various programs ># that require network functionality will fail. >127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost >127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost > >Sendmail doesn't hang, it just takes so bloody looong! I've just >disabled it from startup services, and the boot process is much, >MUCH quicker!! > i think that the second line with 127.0.0.1 will be ignored try this, all in *one* line 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost.localdomain localhost and sendmail should start in a short time. -- shrek-m From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Sun Sep 28 09:50:22 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:50:22 +0200 Subject: Test 2: pam_krb5 is broken Message-ID: <1064742621.1535.38.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Hi! I've been unable to make pam_krb5 work on Fedora Core Test 2, although it worked fine on Severn Beta 1. I have used authconfig to configure Kerberos V authentication, but every time I try to log on using a valid Kerberos V realm account, this is what I see on /var/log/secure: Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: default/local realm 'FELIPE-ALFARO.COM' Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: configured realm 'FELIPE-ALFARO.COM' Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: flags: forwardable Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: flag: user_check Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: flag: no krb4_convert Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: flag: warn Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: renewable lifetime: 36000 Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: banner: Kerberos 5 Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: ccache dir: /tmp Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: keytab: /etc/krb5.keytab Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: called to authenticate 'falfaro' Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: authenticating 'falfaro at FELIPE-ALFARO.COM' Sep 28 10:23:43 glass login: pam_krb5[2948]: authentication fails for 'falfaro': Authentication fail ure (Generic error (see e-text)) Please, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105829 for more information. Thanks! From mitr at volny.cz Sun Sep 28 11:06:19 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:06:19 +0200 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <3F75BF0C.4030204@farorbit.com> References: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20030927111411.GA23346@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <3F75BF0C.4030204@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <20030928110619.GB23290@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 11:47:08AM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > Don't oyu use cyrillic fonts in Checkia/Slovakia any way? No, Latin alphabet with quite a few additional letters. See http://www.cestina.cz/cestina/kodovani/kun.gif for letters used in Czech; Slovak uses a similar, but not exactly the same set of letters. Mirek From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Sep 28 11:20:01 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:20:01 +0700 Subject: gcc32 and kgcc In-Reply-To: <3F764562.7000700@students.fct.unl.pt> References: <3F764562.7000700@students.fct.unl.pt> Message-ID: <1064748001.8412.7.camel@bushido> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 09:20, Carlos Rodrigues wrote: [snip] > My suggestion is a "kgcc" symlink. This "kgcc" would be sure to exist > from now on, pointing to "gcc32" now but maybe pointing to "gcc" in the > future when all gcc 3.3 issues in the kernel are eliminated. This means > that now it would be provided in the gcc32's rpm but in the future it > could change to gcc's (there could even be a "Provides: kgcc"). If this > ends up in other distros (or as a requirement in the LSB) it would mean > that modules could simply rely on the existence of "kgcc" and be free > from this "CC=gcc32" stuff (at the very least the nvidia guys could just > add a check for kgcc to fix things on Red Hat/Fedora and never bother to > look at it again). > [snip] Amen to that. I'm still on Severn1 - an annoying side-effect of downloading with BitTorrent is that I have 99% of the first two ISOs already downloaded but somehow the program is now busy downloading mostly the third ISO :) Gaah. There is a problem with your suggested approach though - as it stands, if Red Hat suddenly discover a problem with the main system compiler (as it did between Severn1 and Severn2), the main compiler RPM would still erroneously be 'providing' kgcc. A virtual package 'kgcc' containing a symlink to either gcc or (say) gcc32 would work fine; when there is a problem building a kernel, just provide a new kgcc that links to a different compiler binary and Requires: it. I'm still a bit puzzled by the fact that the two latest Rawhide kernel-source RPMs still have gcc as their compilers in their Makefiles. RedHat certainly did not build kernels in that series using plain gcc, since whenever I built a custom kernel I could not get pcmcia to work... Regards, Michel From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Sun Sep 28 11:27:59 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:27:59 +0200 Subject: gcc32 and kgcc In-Reply-To: <1064748001.8412.7.camel@bushido> References: <3F764562.7000700@students.fct.unl.pt> <1064748001.8412.7.camel@bushido> Message-ID: <1064748478.2065.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 13:20, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > I'm still a bit puzzled by the fact that the two latest Rawhide > kernel-source RPMs still have gcc as their compilers in their Makefiles. > RedHat certainly did not build kernels in that series using plain gcc, > since whenever I built a custom kernel I could not get pcmcia to work... AFAIK, Red Hat's kernel do not use the built-in kernel PCMCIA support, but they do use the external pcmcia-cs PCMCIA software. You can download pcmcia-cs from pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net. On my laptop, built-in kernel PCMCIA support has always caused troubles when using older 2.4 kernels, so I had to revert to using pcmcia-cs, which has always worked great. From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Sun Sep 28 11:28:04 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:28:04 +0200 Subject: Packaging Standards In-Reply-To: <200309280936.17696.dennis@ausil.us> References: <1064701826.3542.6.camel@albert> <200309280936.17696.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: <1064748483.31724.1.camel@albert> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:36, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > Once upon a time at band camp Sun, 28 Sep 2003 8:30 am, Maynard Kuona wrote: > > > Any comments. > > > > have a look at fedora.us there is a whole bunch of specifications as to how > packages should be packaged. > What I see there is mostly naming conventions and stuff abotu release numbers. Do you have a link to the stuff specifically about combined packages. From bill at noreboots.com Sun Sep 28 12:22:15 2003 From: bill at noreboots.com (Bill Anderson) Date: 28 Sep 2003 06:22:15 -0600 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F7516D3.6000508@farorbit.com> References: <1064617142.22337.52.camel@locutus> <3F7516D3.6000508@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <1064751735.28229.27.camel@locutus> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 22:49, stephan schutter wrote: > Bill Anderson wrote: > > > > > > >Can we see a copy of /var/log/bootlog to see what all was started during > >boot up? > > > > > > > I will send this as soon as I get back to work... nothing special; just > the default setup... There may be stuff tht should not be on in the default bootup. Personally, I disable kudzu.I know when I add hardware. Disable kudzu and rerun/post just the bootup times, would you pretty please? :-D > You know, I was thinking (warning): why not do the rc scripts so that > some things occur in paralell? For example; if there are services that > need to start and they do not depend on networking being started, then > why not launch them in paralell, in the background? Forking the startup > process tree and maximizing the IO bandwidth utilization, and CPU, would > make the bootup fast (important on laptops; because you start them and > stop them all the time as you need to). There is some work on this, but it is more complex than it initially sounds. You need a dependency tracker, and it needs to be smart enough to detect certain config changes, or be "dumb" and less effective. For example, does the printer daemon have network enabled, or does the the MTA (vs. used in localhost fashion), or how about things like SWAT for example. But I agree, it should be better done, that's why I'm redoing it in Python. ;) > > > > > >Is this runlevel 5 login, or console login and startx? > > > > > runlevel 5, after shutdown -r now... Thanks. > >I don't think these are apples->apples. > >Here is why: > >1) Default browser: are they different browsers? Mozilla is available on > >both platforms, use that then compare. > >2) I take it Word 2k is done in Crossover? > >3) Open Office loads the needed guts for most of Open Office, whereas > >W2k only opens W2k. > > > > > 1) good point; this is another app to test (that is fair)... But > remember, the drooling end user only knows that it is "the internet" and > does not distinguish between mozilla or IE. Perhaps coosing default > browser carefully would help here as well. But I will give you new > timings next week. Excellent. There are other things that can be done for the drooluser. Such as using galeon with the background start method. But of course, galeon is gone from the default. > 2) Your astuteness is only surpassed by your grace good sir! This is > like running a 16 bit app on NT... no complaints here. It works quite > smoothly (I use it daily at work(exposure testing ;=) )), performance is > OK. Not bad for something running in app compatabillity mode. I've heard this. I was curious as to whether or not it was the codeweavers WINE or the straight WINE (would that be it's "vintage" ;) ) > 3) Shame on them! Agreed. > >And finally, how was the timing done. Are we talking wall clock or what? > > > > > Just stop watch. After all, we are talking about end user impressions, > so we do not need millisecond acuracy? Ok. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 bill at noreboots.com From gstool at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 12:43:35 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:43:35 -0500 Subject: My problems with Test2 In-Reply-To: <1064733862.23474.17.camel@tiger> References: <1064733862.23474.17.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <1064753015.6250.1.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:24, Louis Garcia wrote: > Can someone tell me where to log my bugs? Do I still use redhat > bugzilla? Under what version is this beta? bugzilla.redhat.com Fedora Core Gerry From jos at xos.nl Sun Sep 28 12:53:41 2003 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:53:41 +0200 Subject: Fedora: low mem warning with 512 MB! Message-ID: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615@xos037.xos.nl> Hi, While installing Fedora, it warns me that it will immediately enable swap because I have too litte mem. But I have 512 MB! If I look at /proc/meminfo on VC2, I see that it indeed sees all the mem I have. Is this a known problem? Cheers, -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 13:13:01 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:13:01 +0200 Subject: mailscanner rfe? Message-ID: <3F76DE5D.50505@gmx.de> hi, does anybody know if there is a new RFE for MailScanner? i had found only this one https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65204 since i get ~ 300-500 Gibe-F emails/day i love MailScanner + SpamAssassin + sophos-sweep it would be nice if somebody would re-open this RFE or file a new one. thanks. -- shrek-m From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Sep 28 13:58:51 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:58:51 +0700 Subject: gcc32 and kgcc In-Reply-To: <1064748478.2065.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> References: <3F764562.7000700@students.fct.unl.pt> <1064748001.8412.7.camel@bushido> <1064748478.2065.2.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> Message-ID: <1064757531.8412.9.camel@bushido> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 18:27, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 13:20, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > > I'm still a bit puzzled by the fact that the two latest Rawhide > > kernel-source RPMs still have gcc as their compilers in their Makefiles. > > RedHat certainly did not build kernels in that series using plain gcc, > > since whenever I built a custom kernel I could not get pcmcia to work... > > AFAIK, Red Hat's kernel do not use the built-in kernel PCMCIA support, > but they do use the external pcmcia-cs PCMCIA software. You can download > pcmcia-cs from pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net. > Sorry, should have said custom kernel built from Red Hat's kernel source. That uses pcmcia-cs, AFAIR. Thanks for the suggestion anyway :) - Michel From leonardjo at hetnet.nl Sun Sep 28 14:16:15 2003 From: leonardjo at hetnet.nl (Leonard den Ottolander) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:16:15 +0200 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? In-Reply-To: References: <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> Message-ID: <3F77094F.8867.3B6DB8@localhost> Hello Alexandre, Thanks for the explanation. > > By the way, I don't see how this procedure would result in iso's > > That's the magic of rsync. It will use whatever bits you throw at it > to avoid having to download those parts of the iso images. So does this mean that the hard links to the tar file somehow get broken by rsync? I am amazed. Never to late to learn something new. Only problem which remains is where to find an rsync server to use for this purpose. Any ideas? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. From ez2023 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 14:23:43 2003 From: ez2023 at yahoo.com (G Schneider) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: fedora test2: ACPI failure on Sony laptop In-Reply-To: <20030927160009.958.87670.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030928142343.40494.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Lamar Owen wrote: > Add acpi=on to the kernel boot line in > /boot/grub/grub.conf. Might want to > create a separate boot target for testing ACPI in > case the acpi stuff locks > you up. That is correct, however I was under the impression that the severn kernel would choose correctly between acpi and apm WITHOUT having to add acpi=on on the kernel boot line. It did work for me with beta1 but no longer with test2. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 28 14:36:45 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Test 2 first testing Message-ID: <200309281436.h8SEaj213003@devserv.devel.redhat.com> PXE install was totally hosed so I've installed it on a PII/266 laptop box instead. - Overall performance when swapping is a lot better - Program start up times are now abysmal, way worse than before and the disk is mostly idle during this. - Metacity has acquired yet another 'end user non recoverable' way to hose your window sizing and doesn't appear to have fixed any of the long standing ones. Overall its feeling nice - the slow program startup time is an annoyance but I can now run both openoffice and mozilla on a 192Mb box without it being at all painful. I've filed the following: 105853 ACPI laptop extras in kernel (should be module) and run regardless 105854 PXE horked 105855 Metacity window resizing more hosed than ever 105856 rhgb short translations 105857 redhat-menus short translations 105858 gdm presession default seems to have problems with shell metacharacters in names From ba at linuxin.dk Sun Sep 28 14:40:15 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:40:15 +0200 Subject: Email and browsing options Message-ID: <1064760015.5690.33.camel@Linux1> Hi I always use Epiphany, since it first came in rawhide. It makes the desktop experience more complete, to have everything use the gnome GUI. But, the registered mailto protocol in GNOME is not Evolution. Mailto is not even a registered protocol. (I do know how to register it...) Why not make Epiphany and Evolution the default clients for handling http, https and mailto? To make the experience complete. (Maybe even make Xchat the irc:// handler?) The choice to use mozilla as deafult browser, will start mozilla-mail for email klient (when you click on a mailto link while browsing). Even if Evolution is registered as mailto handler. People who misses Mozilla (old mozilla users), normally knows how to make mozilla the deafult browser. -- Cheers Bjorn Andersen From phil-ml at techworks.ie Sun Sep 28 14:45:31 2003 From: phil-ml at techworks.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:45:31 +0100 Subject: 2.6 kernel Suggestion Message-ID: <1064760330.11203.3.camel@unagi.internal.techworks.ie> Hi, I am writing this here, as I find this patch very useful. There is a patch available at: http://gaugusch.at/kernel.shtml Which allows the loading of an ACPI DSDT in the INITRD during boot. I find this very useful for my Dell i8100, and if this was included in arjanv's test kernels, it would make at least my life alot easier. Is this a good patch for inclusion? Or do I have to keep re-compiling my DSDT into the kernel? I have not file an RFE in bugzilla due to the 'unofficial' link between the test kernels and the beta. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Phil Trickett From phil-ml at techworks.ie Sun Sep 28 14:45:35 2003 From: phil-ml at techworks.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:45:35 +0100 Subject: 2.6 kernel Suggestion Message-ID: <1064760330.11203.4.camel@unagi.internal.techworks.ie> Hi, I am writing this here, as I find this patch very useful. There is a patch available at: http://gaugusch.at/kernel.shtml Which allows the loading of an ACPI DSDT in the INITRD during boot. I find this very useful for my Dell i8100, and if this was included in arjanv's test kernels, it would make at least my life alot easier. Is this a good patch for inclusion? Or do I have to keep re-compiling my DSDT into the kernel? I have not file an RFE in bugzilla due to the 'unofficial' link between the test kernels and the beta. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Phil Trickett From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Sep 28 14:52:27 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:52:27 +0700 Subject: Fedora Core: initial encounter (RH doesn't like my machine??) In-Reply-To: <200309271401.27181.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271401.27181.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064760747.8412.12.camel@bushido> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:01, Elton Woo wrote: > Bittorrent was *disappointingly slooooow*. I could have latched > on to a mirror and gotten the three CD's much faster using > mozilla. > You use *Mozilla* instead of a proper FTP client or a downloader like wget to download ISOs? Wow. You must have a really reliable connection :) Regards, Michel From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 15:12:21 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fedora test2: ACPI failure on Sony laptop In-Reply-To: <20030928142343.40494.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030927160009.958.87670.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <20030928142343.40494.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64750.65.41.55.192.1064761941.squirrel@whooper.org> G Schneider said: > > Lamar Owen wrote: >> Add acpi=on to the kernel boot line in >> /boot/grub/grub.conf. Might want to >> create a separate boot target for testing ACPI in >> case the acpi stuff locks >> you up. > > That is correct, however I was under the impression > that the severn kernel would choose correctly between > acpi and apm WITHOUT having to add acpi=on on the > kernel boot line. It did work for me with beta1 but no > longer with test2. Beta1 Release notes: The Red Hat Linux 9.0.93 kernel includes support for ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface). When booting the Red Hat Linux installation program from CD (and booting the installed system) this kernel uses ACPI on some systems (depending on certain factors such as whether the hardware supports ACPI and the date of its BIOS ACPI implementation). ACPI is used for device enumeration (but not for sleeping). You can disable ACPI by using the following boot option: acpi=off Beta2 Release notes: The Fedora Core 0.94 kernel includes support for ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface). By default, ACPI support is disabled; it can be enabled by using the following boot-time option: acpi=on When enabled, ACPI is used for device enumeration, but not for sleeping or reducing power consumption. -- William Hooper From ejb at ql.org Sun Sep 28 15:12:25 2003 From: ejb at ql.org (Jay Berkenbilt) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:12:25 -0400 Subject: laptop suspend issues: RedHat 9 vs. Severn 1 and 2 Message-ID: <200309281512.h8SFCPtr005264@soup.in.ql.org> I'm looking for some help understanding the differences in suspend/suspend to disk behavior on my laptop across the last three releases (including test releases). I understand that the changes are almost certainly related to the APM/ACPI changes that have been going on in these releases, but I don't know whether there are things I can do at boot time via kernel command line arguments or even do by recompiling the kernel. (In other words, are these changes the result of changes to the kernel code or to the selected options?) Here are the details. I have an HP Omnibook 6100. Here is a summary of suspend/suspend to disk with three releases: RedHat 9: responded properly to suspend to RAM and suspend to disk (i.e., keyboard sequences/apm commands to initiate them did what they were supposed to). The system always crashed coming out of suspend to RAM, but came out of suspend to disk successfully about 80% of the time. Low battery suspend to disk initiated by computer worked. Brightness controls controlled by the Fn key worked properly. If configured in the BIOS, the brightness would drop to minimum when on battery and restore to previous setting when power was restored. Severn 1: no APM events worked at all whether initiated by the computer or by the user. Brightness changes configured in BIOS were disregarded. The Fn brightness keys didn't work. Attempting to suspend or suspend to disk had no effect. System-initiated low-battery suspend to disk events were silently disregarded. Interestingly, the battery meter still worked. Severn 2: same as RedHat 9 EXCEPT computer now seems to recover from suspend to RAM, but suspend to disk does not work. Attempt to initiate suspend to disk results in suspend to RAM. I haven't determined whether system-initiated suspend to disk works. Caveat: I just installed a new disk drive coincident with installing Severn 2. Although I have followed all steps for setting up a "hibernation" partition, I haven't tested it reliably because Windows XP doesn't use it. I am going to install RedHat 9 again (now that I have enough disk space to install both) and see whether it works. For what it's worth, I'm temporarily emerging from having given up on ever having my laptop suspend/resume properly under Linux in hopes of being able to improve this aspect of Fedora. I've been using Linux since 1992 and using it on a laptop since 1994. My experience has always been that every new release of whatever I'm running can have seemingly random effects on APM issues with whatever hardware I have. This goes back to the days before I was using a distribution when I built everything from source and upgraded my kernel every few test releases. I'd be grateful if anyone can shed any light on this or even make some suggestions as to what I should try. In the mean time, I'm going to start digging through documentation and sources to see what kinds of options are available. -- Jay Berkenbilt http://www.ql.org/q/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 15:54:29 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:54:29 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core: initial encounter (RH doesn't like my machine??) In-Reply-To: <1064760747.8412.12.camel@bushido> References: <200309271401.27181.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064760747.8412.12.camel@bushido> Message-ID: <200309281154.29640.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 10:52 am, Michel Alexandre Salim > wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:01, Elton Woo wrote: > > Bittorrent was *disappointingly slooooow*. I could have latched > > on to a mirror and gotten the three CD's much faster using > > mozilla. > > You use *Mozilla* instead of a proper FTP client or a downloader like > wget to download ISOs? Wow. You must have a really reliable connection > I'm on cable, and in addition, I usually pick one of the European or Far East sites when the ones in the West are busy. With moz, I'd have gotten all three CD's within (at most) 3 1/2 hours, compared to about 5 hours with Bittorrent (ver 3.2). Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 16:16:03 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:16:03 -0400 Subject: Installing additional packages via system setting still can't access CD In-Reply-To: <3F767EF0.7020402@tuins.ac.jp> References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> <3F7668A0.8050002@tuins.ac.jp> <3F767EF0.7020402@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <200309281216.03740.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 02:25 am, rg > wrote: > Remember this problem, and topic, came up before in regard to beta 1, > but it still seems to exist. If you try to install additional packages > via the Add and Remove Software window, the system still continously > prompts for the CD. Is this still one of those to-do items or should I > bugzilla it? > > Ralston Do indeed file a bug under Product: Fedora Core Version: test 2 (though I've found a few listed under "version: test1", the majority for Fedora Core are listed as "test2"). Also, you might want to have a look at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101512 which is from Severn (beta1) and related to this problem. Summary: package manager displays incorrect information cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 16:29:55 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:29:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora: low mem warning with 512 MB! In-Reply-To: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615@xos037.xos.nl> References: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615@xos037.xos.nl> Message-ID: <200309281229.55889.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 08:53 am, Jos Vos > wrote: > Hi, > > While installing Fedora, it warns me that it will immediately > enable swap because I have too litte mem. But I have 512 MB! > If I look at /proc/meminfo on VC2, I see that it indeed sees > all the mem I have. Is this a known problem? > How much disk space are you allocating for the installation? I wonder if you are also taking into account extra space needed for temp files _during_ the install. ... just a thought ... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 16:34:09 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:34:09 -0400 Subject: Bugzilla boo-boo?? In-Reply-To: <20030928075434.GA13303@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <200309271547.56884.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030928075434.GA13303@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Message-ID: <200309281234.09409.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 03:54 am, Telsa Gwynne > wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 03:47:56PM -0400 or thereabouts, Elton Woo wrote: > > Whilst entering a comment in the following report, I decided to submit > > an attachment, and _then_ complete the report: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105802 > > > > Bugzilla belched this at me: > > =================================== > > Mid-air collision detected! > > Someone else has made changes to this bug at the same time you were > > trying to. > > That's Bugzilla's normal behaviour when two people try to do > something to the same bug at the same time. It seems logical > that it would do the same thing when one person tries to do > two different things to the bug at the same time.. <*SHRUG*> I sorta "paused in mid-air", and instead of /*before* hitting "commit", I decided to create the attachment. NOTE: I only had one instance of mozilla and one instance of the bug report running, so *after* adding and submitting the attachment, I went back on the page to "commit". I would hardly consider doing two things _simultaneously_ ... unless my internet connection is *that* blazingly fast! <*chuckle*> Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 16:37:17 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:37:17 +0200 Subject: Email and browsing options In-Reply-To: <1064760015.5690.33.camel@Linux1> References: <1064760015.5690.33.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <3F770E3D.4000404@gmx.de> Bjorn Andersen wrote: >I always use Epiphany, since it first came in rawhide. It makes the >desktop experience more complete, to have everything use the gnome GUI. > >But, the registered mailto protocol in GNOME is not Evolution. Mailto is >not even a registered protocol. (I do know how to register it...) > i do not know how to register it >Why not make Epiphany > i am satisfied with mozilla/netscape as browser with epiphany, galeon, firebird i had sometimes to change back to moz/net on some sites. > and Evolution > i need no outlook-replacement here too, i am satisfied with mozilla/netsacpe i need a prog that can handle thousands of emails, multi profiles or accounts and which i can use on multi plattforms, mbox-format is ok eg. $ mail -f /mozilla/mozilla/..../Mail/shrek-m\@gmx.de/spam $ du -sh /mozilla/ 584M /mozilla (not a lot attachments) my personal opinion: sylpheed or mozilla-thunderbird could be a candidate in future > the default clients for handling >http, https and mailto? To make the experience complete. >(Maybe even make Xchat the irc:// handler?) > >The choice to use mozilla as deafult browser, will start mozilla-mail >for email klient (when you click on a mailto link while browsing). Even >if Evolution is registered as mailto handler. > >People who misses Mozilla (old mozilla users), normally knows how to >make mozilla the deafult browser. > sorry, i do not know how to make mozilla as default browser, and i would say that i am an old mozilla-user (windows, linux, (mac) ) summary, i am happy with the default settings and hope that this will not change in the near future ;-) -- shrek-m From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Sep 28 16:38:49 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:38:49 -0400 Subject: Can I use up2date to update my Severn 9.0.93 to 9.0.94? In-Reply-To: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> Message-ID: <3F770E99.3080403@speakeasy.net> I've become a Bittorrent fan. Bittorrent lets you download huge files without the login and capacity issues that an ftp or rsync server has. You won't become another user stressing an ftp server and getting disconnected arbitarily. It is fast, I was able to get the Severn binary ISO's in about 12 hours (would have taken me 30+ on an ftp server or with rsync) and all the source ISOs in less than 8 hours. This is off a DSL connection. This is my second time using Bittorrent and I'm completely impressed with it. Bram Cohen (and no doubt many others) have done an outstanding job with creating and implementing Bittorrent. Bob Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hi Mike, > > >>Besides, your not testing the beta properly while upgrading from one >>beta to another. > > > That might be true, but I am syncing my package tree with the ftp version > of severn and then rawhide and upgrade from there. When I still had cable I > didn't mind downloading a lot if ISO's, but on a 256Kb line it takes about > 7 hours to download 1 ISO. It would probably even be faster to reconstruct > the ISO's myself if I felt like it. Which makes me think, is there an lslR > of the ISO images available somewhere? > > Bye, > Leonard. > > -- > How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? > Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! > End all weapons of mass destruction. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Sep 28 16:41:11 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:41:11 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Fedora: low mem warning with 512 MB!] Message-ID: <3F770F27.7080506@speakeasy.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Fedora: low mem warning with 512 MB! Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:52:32 -0400 From: Robert L Cochran To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com References: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615 at xos037.xos.nl> Yes it is -- I believe I originally reported this problem some time ago during Beta 1. I was working with Red Hat on a solution for it, but I fell behind and got tied up with other matters. My fault. There is a possible fix for it available through the Bugzilla (I've forgotten the number), but I'm not sure whether I applied it properly. Your problem happens to me also in Fedora Test, while installing on a Sony Vaio PCG-F350 notebook. I simply clicked 'cancel' (or was it 'ignore'?) at the prompt warning me that memory is low. (The installer thinks I have a negative amount of memory.) I did not allow the installer to change the partition table at that point. Then the installation simply proceeded, without any apparrent problem. Bob Jos Vos wrote: > Hi, > > While installing Fedora, it warns me that it will immediately > enable swap because I have too litte mem. But I have 512 MB! > If I look at /proc/meminfo on VC2, I see that it indeed sees > all the mem I have. Is this a known problem? > > Cheers, > > -- > -- Jos Vos > -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 > -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 16:35:52 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:35:52 -0400 Subject: Nvidia drivers (was - Re: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <1064718650.2815.1.camel@venom> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> <200309272213.21680.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064718650.2815.1.camel@venom> Message-ID: <200309281235.52303.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 11:10 pm, Mitch Anderson > wrote: > > > But agreed, don't mask the problem with IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, but rather > > > set CC=gcc32 and build the driver. > > > > So I should re-run the Nvidia drivers, but this time > > instead of "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1", I should do: > > "set CC=gcc32". Is this the correct syntax? > > I did both... they seemed to work, but I'm still having stability > problems. I would think CC=gcc32 is the best option. Using "set CC=gcc32" *or* "export CC=gcc32" the complie fails. Since it works with "IGNORE...", I guess I'll just leave it at that. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 16:42:21 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:42:21 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 04:19 am, shrek-m at gmx.de <"shrek-m at gmx.de" > wrote: > i think that the second line with 127.0.0.1 will be ignored > try this, all in *one* line > > 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost.localdomain localhost > and sendmail should start in a short time. Will do. In any case I've disabled sendmail and kudzu, from my startup services, since I don't need them. IMHO, anything that I don't need, that is disabled in startup services should help to improve bootup speed, ja? Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Sep 28 16:49:37 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:49:37 +0200 Subject: Bugzilla boo-boo?? In-Reply-To: <200309281234.09409.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271547.56884.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030928075434.GA13303@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <200309281234.09409.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030928184937.74f8218f.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:34:09 -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > I would hardly consider doing two things _simultaneously_ > ... unless my internet connection is *that* blazingly fast! <*chuckle*> Nevertheless, your two comments #1 and #2 were added at the same time, 15:44 (not knowing the differences in seconds). - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/dxEh0iMVcrivHFQRAlnrAJoDOMzUryOVOWhdlbej/GTzyIm6eQCcDHLa Tl4zEgH7yW82ajXrPvB6erY= =/cVW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aoliva at redhat.com Sun Sep 28 16:51:04 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 28 Sep 2003 13:51:04 -0300 Subject: Bugzilla boo-boo?? In-Reply-To: <200309281234.09409.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271547.56884.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030928075434.GA13303@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <200309281234.09409.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Sep 28, 2003, Elton Woo wrote: > <*SHRUG*> I sorta "paused in mid-air", and instead of /*before* > hitting "commit", I decided to create the attachment. NOTE: I only [...] > I went back on the page to "commit". At which point, the page in which you'd entered data was no longer up-to-date, and committing would make the database look like what you got when you started entering data, plus what you entered, just like it told you. -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Sep 28 15:52:32 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:52:32 -0400 Subject: Fedora: low mem warning with 512 MB! In-Reply-To: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615@xos037.xos.nl> References: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615@xos037.xos.nl> Message-ID: <3F7703C0.4090703@speakeasy.net> Yes it is -- I believe I originally reported this problem some time ago during Beta 1. I was working with Red Hat on a solution for it, but I fell behind and got tied up with other matters. My fault. There is a possible fix for it available through the Bugzilla (I've forgotten the number), but I'm not sure whether I applied it properly. Your problem happens to me also in Fedora Test, while installing on a Sony Vaio PCG-F350 notebook. I simply clicked 'cancel' (or was it 'ignore'?) at the prompt warning me that memory is low. (The installer thinks I have a negative amount of memory.) I did not allow the installer to change the partition table at that point. Then the installation simply proceeded, without any apparrent problem. Bob Jos Vos wrote: > Hi, > > While installing Fedora, it warns me that it will immediately > enable swap because I have too litte mem. But I have 512 MB! > If I look at /proc/meminfo on VC2, I see that it indeed sees > all the mem I have. Is this a known problem? > > Cheers, > > -- > -- Jos Vos > -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 > -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 16:57:59 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:57:59 -0700 Subject: Nvidia drivers (was - Re: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <200309281235.52303.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> <200309272213.21680.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064718650.2815.1.camel@venom> <200309281235.52303.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F771317.2040200@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >Using "set CC=gcc32" *or* "export CC=gcc32" the complie >fails. Since it works with "IGNORE...", I guess I'll just leave >it at that. > > That's odd, saying "export CC=gcc32", then running nvidia-installer worked fine here (athlon 1100) - had you touched anything in the kernel source directory? Joe From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Sun Sep 28 17:02:52 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:02:52 -0500 Subject: Nvidia drivers (was - Re: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <200309281235.52303.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> <200309272213.21680.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064718650.2815.1.camel@venom> <200309281235.52303.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1064768571.12303.178.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 11:35, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 27, 2003 11:10 pm, Mitch Anderson > wrote: > > > > But agreed, don't mask the problem with IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH, but rather > > > > set CC=gcc32 and build the driver. > > > > > > So I should re-run the Nvidia drivers, but this time > > > instead of "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1", I should do: > > > "set CC=gcc32". Is this the correct syntax? > > > > I did both... they seemed to work, but I'm still having stability > > problems. I would think CC=gcc32 is the best option. > > Using "set CC=gcc32" *or* "export CC=gcc32" the complie > fails. Since it works with "IGNORE...", I guess I'll just leave > it at that. > > Elton ;-) FWIW, There was a post yesterday on the users list: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-September/msg00334.html with a solution that I tried and it works for me (Dell i8200 w/ 64 Mb GeForce4). You then need to make the typical changes to XF86Config as per routine. Simply put, use: ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel and then: ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run Thanks to Rodrigo. HTH, Marc From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 17:04:02 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:04:02 +0200 Subject: innd - makehistory/makedbz Message-ID: <3F771482.3070904@gmx.de> hi, i was trying to setup innd. i had no luck under rhl 8.0, 9, severn2 it is always the same. # service innd start Bitte f?hren Sie makehistory und/oder makedbz aus, bevor Sie innd starten. # /usr/lib/news/bin/inncheck --> some messages chown -ing, chmod -ing, fromhost -ing, moderatormailer -ing # ./inncheck ; ./makehistory ; ./makedbz Can't do dbzagain, No such file or directory # service innd start Bitte f?hren Sie makehistory und/oder makedbz aus, bevor Sie innd starten. # ll /var/lib/news/ insgesamt 16 -rw-rw-r-- 1 news news 225 Jul 23 2002 active -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 0 Jul 23 2002 active.times -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 72 Jul 23 2002 distributions -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 0 Sep 28 18:57 history -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 333 Jul 23 2002 newsgroups -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 0 Jul 23 2002 subscriptions drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4096 Sep 28 18:01 tmp in /var/log/news/news.crit is rnews: cant open_remote Connection refused what i am missing ? -- shrek-m From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 17:07:55 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:07:55 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F77156B.5030402@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >Will do. In any case I've disabled sendmail and kudzu, from my startup >services, since I don't need them. >IMHO, anything that I don't need, that is disabled in startup services >should help to improve bootup speed, ja? > > Stimmt - aber bootup soll nicht sehr oft statfinden! Joe From markj at jeanmougin.org Sun Sep 28 17:14:37 2003 From: markj at jeanmougin.org (Mark W. Jeanmougin) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Upgrading an LVM System Message-ID: Most of my boxes use LVM for disk management. When I use Fedora Core (or Severn, or Shrike) to try to upgrade from a system based on LVM, I get the following error: Mount failed One or more of the file systems listed in the /etc/fstab on your Linux system cannot be mounted. Please fix this problem and try to upgrade again. First off, this would be much easier to troubleshoot if it listed which filesystems couldn't be mounted. Second, it would be nice if you could adjust the contents of your /etc/fstab and then try again, rather than having to reboot. Of course, the root cause of the problem is that you should be able to upgrade a system which was installed onto LVM. Should I bugzilla this? Thanks, MJ From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sun Sep 28 17:22:53 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:22:53 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core: initial encounter (RH doesn't like my machine??) In-Reply-To: <200309281154.29640.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271401.27181.elwoo@videotron.ca> <1064760747.8412.12.camel@bushido> <200309281154.29640.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030928172253.GA28540@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:54:29AM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 28, 2003 10:52 am, Michel Alexandre Salim > wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:01, Elton Woo wrote: > > > Bittorrent was *disappointingly slooooow*. I could have latched > > > on to a mirror and gotten the three CD's much faster using > > > mozilla. > > > > You use *Mozilla* instead of a proper FTP client or a downloader like > > wget to download ISOs? Wow. You must have a really reliable connection > > > > I'm on cable, and in addition, I usually pick one of the European or > Far East sites when the ones in the West are busy. With moz, I'd have > gotten all three CD's within (at most) 3 1/2 hours, compared to about > 5 hours with Bittorrent (ver 3.2). For me, Bittorrent was much, much faster. I got all three CDs within 45 minutes, compared to an average of 3 hours or so with FTP. And with FTP the mirrors are sometimes full. Ah, cable. So no doubt your upload speeds are much worse than your download speeds, yes? Bittorrent's algorithm effectively penalizes your download speed for that, since your download speed ends up being proportional to your upload speed in the end. The computers with very fast upload speeds won't want to share with yours that much, since they can't download from you that quickly, AIUI. BitTorrent is much closer to Pareto optimal overall, though. The process would be eased the more mirror sites (and completed downloads) stayed connected to be used as seeds for everyone. John Thacker From per at bothner.com Sun Sep 28 17:30:21 2003 From: per at bothner.com (Per Bothner) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:30:21 -0700 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x Message-ID: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> I rather optimistically bought an Asus a7n8x Deluxe motherboard (with the Nvidia nForce2 chipset), along with an Athlon XP 2600+, and tried to install Severn2. Multiple times. Each time it got partway into installing packages and then a kernel panic or freeze. I had hoped it would work, since I read (mis-read?) that the a7n8x runs on RH 9 without patches. But that doesn't seem to be the case either - each time I try to do a gcc boostrap (on a different partition than the one I tried to install Severn2 on), gcc fails in a different way. My guess is some disk-related problem, such as DMA. (I have moved a jumper to disable SATA, so the kernel would not timeout for the non-existent drives.) Any suggestions? [This is a re-port. The previous posting has spent almost to 24 hours awaiting "moderator approval", so I decided I needed to subscribe.] -- --Per Bothner per at bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 28 17:31:34 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x In-Reply-To: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> from "Per Bothner" at Med 28, 2003 10:30:21 Message-ID: <200309281731.h8SHVYA07509@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I had hoped it would work, since I read (mis-read?) that > the a7n8x runs on RH 9 without patches. But that doesn't > seem to be the case either - each time I try to do a > gcc boostrap (on a different partition than the one I The supported bits should work. Tried memtest86 and checked the hw ? From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Sep 28 17:36:25 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:36:25 -0400 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x In-Reply-To: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> References: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> Message-ID: <3F771C19.8070306@speakeasy.net> Are you sure you applied ALL the motherboard drivers for that board, especially BIOS updates? What kernel messages are you getting exactly? Bob Per Bothner wrote: > I rather optimistically bought an Asus a7n8x Deluxe > motherboard (with the Nvidia nForce2 chipset), along with > an Athlon XP 2600+, and tried to install Severn2. Multiple > times. Each time it got partway into installing packages and > then a kernel panic or freeze. > > I had hoped it would work, since I read (mis-read?) that > the a7n8x runs on RH 9 without patches. But that doesn't > seem to be the case either - each time I try to do a > gcc boostrap (on a different partition than the one I > tried to install Severn2 on), gcc fails in a different way. > > My guess is some disk-related problem, such as DMA. > (I have moved a jumper to disable SATA, so the kernel would > not timeout for the non-existent drives.) Any suggestions? > > [This is a re-port. The previous posting has spent almost > to 24 hours awaiting "moderator approval", so I decided I > needed to subscribe.] -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From jos at xos.nl Sun Sep 28 17:35:35 2003 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:35:35 +0200 Subject: Fedora: low mem warning with 512 MB! In-Reply-To: <200309281229.55889.elwoo@videotron.ca>; from elwoo@videotron.ca on Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 12:29:55PM -0400 References: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615@xos037.xos.nl> <200309281229.55889.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030928193535.A27614@xos037.xos.nl> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 12:29:55PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > How much disk space are you allocating for the installation? 12 GB... > I wonder if you are also taking into account extra space needed > for temp files _during_ the install. > > ... just a thought ... I was talking about *memory*, not disk space... -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 17:37:41 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:37:41 +0200 Subject: anaconda - no add boot-menu Message-ID: <3F771C65.2060809@gmx.de> hi, i am not sure, could it be that there is no possibility while installation of severn2 to add an additional boot-menu entry ? afair there was only [zurueck=back][bearbeiten=edit][ok=ok] --> [edit] no further possibility for adding a new entry on this system are 2 different severn1 installations for further use of severn1 i had to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf after reboot into severn2 installation: language-german, user-defined, hd-install from external-usb-hdd "linux text expert" ;-) mixed languages in info and buttons, at least while firewall-settings ;-) -- shrek-m From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 17:39:16 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:39:16 -0500 Subject: OT: touchpad with scrolling capabilities In-Reply-To: <20030928072854.GA19991@shitake.truemesh.com> References: <1064711524.3771.3.camel@argentina> <20030928072854.GA19991@shitake.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <3F771CC4.9090502@d.umn.edu> Paul Nasrat wrote: >If you are not seeing this in Fedora you might be intrested in a driver >that might go into Fedora Extras for Cambridge timescale is the >synaptics touchpad driver that can provide lots of extra functionality >for touchpads: > >http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ > > > I didn't know about this driver (and I don't know if my touchpad is compatible with it, in windowsXP it appears as Alps Pointer Device). The functionality the driver you said is: Features * Movement with adjustable, non-linear acceleration and speed. * Button events through short touching of the touchpad. * Double-Button events through double short touching of the touchpad. * Dragging through short touching and holding down the finger on the touchpad. * Middle and right button events on the upper and lower corner of the touchpad. * Vertical scrolling (button four and five events) through moving the finger on the right side of the touchpad. * The up/down button sends button four/five events. * Horizontal scrolling (button six and seven events) through moving the finger on the lower side of the touchpad. * The multi-buttons send button four/five events, and six/seven events for horizontal scrolling. * Adjustable finger detection. * Multifinger taps: two finger for middle button and three finger for right button events. (Needs hardware support. Not all models implement this feature.) * Run-time configuration using shared memory. This means you can change parameter settings without restarting the X server. Vertical and horizontal scrolling was exactly what I was trying to say. Thank you From bryan at redfedora.co.uk Sun Sep 28 18:00:49 2003 From: bryan at redfedora.co.uk (Bryan Hepworth) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:00:49 +0100 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x References: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> Message-ID: <006001c385ea$7378bd80$0301a8c0@BryanXP> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Bothner" To: Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x > I rather optimistically bought an Asus a7n8x Deluxe > motherboard (with the Nvidia nForce2 chipset), along with > an Athlon XP 2600+, and tried to install Severn2. Multiple > times. Each time it got partway into installing packages and > then a kernel panic or freeze. > > I had hoped it would work, since I read (mis-read?) that > the a7n8x runs on RH 9 without patches. But that doesn't > seem to be the case either - each time I try to do a > gcc boostrap (on a different partition than the one I > tried to install Severn2 on), gcc fails in a different way. > > My guess is some disk-related problem, such as DMA. > (I have moved a jumper to disable SATA, so the kernel would > not timeout for the non-existent drives.) Any suggestions? > Hi Per I use this board in my mailserver at work and it's been seamless since day one. Admitedly it is RedHat 9 and I haven't disabled the SATA. I have encountered bad asus boards though, the last one being a faulty AGP slot with a bad pin. So checking the hardware as Alan suggested is a sensible idea. Bryan From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Sun Sep 28 18:08:17 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:08:17 -0400 Subject: apt/yum & up2date Message-ID: <20030928180817.GA23404@prince.homelinux.org> How can I use up2date to install packages from apt & yum repositories without the RHN registration coming up? Does that default option in the sources file take care of that? Every time I try to use up2date it gives me the RHN screen. Prince -- #!/bin/bash /usr/games/fortune linuxcookie From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Sep 28 18:16:22 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:16:22 -0400 Subject: apt/yum & up2date In-Reply-To: <20030928180817.GA23404@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030928180817.GA23404@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1064772982.25275.2.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 14:08, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > How can I use up2date to install packages from apt & yum repositories > without the RHN registration coming up? you can't. > Does that default option in the > sources file take care of that? Every time I try to use up2date it > gives me the RHN screen. register - then you can use apt/yum repos. -sv From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 18:40:10 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:40:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora: low mem warning with 512 MB! In-Reply-To: <20030928193535.A27614@xos037.xos.nl> References: <200309281253.h8SCrf126615@xos037.xos.nl> <200309281229.55889.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030928193535.A27614@xos037.xos.nl> Message-ID: <200309281440.10266.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 01:35 pm, Jos Vos > wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 12:29:55PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > > How much disk space are you allocating for the installation? > > 12 GB... > > > I wonder if you are also taking into account extra space needed > > for temp files _during_ the install. > > > > ... just a thought ... > > I was talking about *memory*, not disk space... I am aware of that. But since you mentioned it started to use the swap space, that's what made me suspect that you might have been running out of space on the hd. Seems it's not the case. Sorry I can't be of further help.... tot zins! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From yinyang at eburg.com Sun Sep 28 11:51:46 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 04:51:46 -0700 Subject: ext3fs crash In-Reply-To: <002901c3858c$d75b0cd0$152ea8c0@august> References: <002901c3858c$d75b0cd0$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <3F76CB52.4070303@eburg.com> Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > > Booting again, the filesystem check gave a message that the ext3fs is > corrupted. Fixing didn't succeed by the automatic sequence, so I rebooted > again with +. ... > I've allready booted up knoppix live cd and tried to fix the problem with > ext3fs.fsck, but there are no problems reported, the filesystem seemed to be > o.k., I was able to mount the partition under knoppix as ext3, it works > without problems. Boot into single user mode, make sure that the filesystem is mounted read-only (mount / -o remount,ro), and then force an fsck using Fedora's fsck (fsck.ext3 -f /dev/). Afterward, you can use 'tune2fs -l' to see whether or not the device still has its journal. From cyberbear at trailnet.com Sun Sep 28 19:06:56 2003 From: cyberbear at trailnet.com (Ron Bellomo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:06:56 -0600 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x In-Reply-To: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> References: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> Message-ID: <20030928130656.7d5dc522.cyberbear@trailnet.com> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:30:21 -0700 Per Bothner wrote: > I rather optimistically bought an Asus a7n8x Deluxe > motherboard (with the Nvidia nForce2 chipset), along with > an Athlon XP 2600+, and tried to install Severn2. Multiple > times. Each time it got partway into installing packages and > then a kernel panic or freeze. > > I had hoped it would work, since I read (mis-read?) that > the a7n8x runs on RH 9 without patches. But that doesn't > seem to be the case either - each time I try to do a > gcc boostrap (on a different partition than the one I > tried to install Severn2 on), gcc fails in a different way. > > My guess is some disk-related problem, such as DMA. > (I have moved a jumper to disable SATA, so the kernel would > not timeout for the non-existent drives.) Any suggestions? > > [This is a re-port. The previous posting has spent almost > to 24 hours awaiting "moderator approval", so I decided I > needed to subscribe.] > -- > --Per Bothner > per at bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I have seen motherboards that get the RH installer to display kernel panics during the intial boot from CD when trying to install. On at least one system, turning off power management option in the BIOS allowed the installation to proceed. After installation, re-enabling the power management worked fine. I don't know if this is the issue you are dealing with but it is something to try. Good luck! From yinyang at eburg.com Sun Sep 28 12:17:03 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:17:03 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F76D13F.6090207@eburg.com> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > >> On September 27, 2003 08:08 pm, Dave Ashby > > wrote: >> >>> Make sure the first line in your /etc/hosts file is 127.0.0.1 and your >>> box name (technically FQN and then nickname). If you have other entries >>> above it, sendmail will hang during boot. >> >> My /etc/hosts file: >> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs >> # that require network functionality will fail. >> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost >> 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost > > i think that the second line with 127.0.0.1 will be ignored > try this, all in *one* line > > 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost.localdomain localhost > > and sendmail should start in a short time. Horseshit, all of it. The order of lines in the hosts file doesn't matter. All lines present will be processed. Sendmail takes a long time to boot because it calls gethostbyname (or something like it) for information on the addresses associated with the local hostname. If all of the required data isn't in /etc/hosts, then the resolver needs to do a DNS lookup on your hostname. If your hostname is an FQDN, then that FQDN must appear in /etc/hosts. If my hostname is "host1.example.com", then /etc/hosts should contain at least these entries: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 127.0.0.1 host1.example.com If your hostname is *not* an FQDN, then your hosts file must contain both the short version of the local hostname, and its FQDN, as the resolver is going to search for it based on the "search" entry in /etc/resolv.conf. If my hostname is "host1" and /etc/resolv.conf contains the line "search example.com", then the file /etc/hosts must have at least these entries: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 127.0.0.1 host1.example.com host1 As long as your hosts file contains an entry for the local hostname, and the FQDN (which should be the same thing), sendmail will not need to consult DNS, and will start up properly. From yinyang at eburg.com Sun Sep 28 12:19:38 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:19:38 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F76D1DA.3010406@eburg.com> Elton Woo wrote: > Will do. In any case I've disabled sendmail and kudzu, from my startup > services, since I don't need them. If you turn off sendmail, then system messages such as those from "cron" will not be deliverable. They'll just end up building up in your mail queue. You might want to keep an eye on that, or configure tmpwatch to clean it out periodically. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Sep 28 19:46:24 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:46:24 -0400 Subject: Compiling Kernel Message-ID: <3F773A90.6070009@speakeasy.net> I have to use the gcc32 compiler to compile the kernel and modules, right? If so...pardon a dumb question...but do I edit the Makefile variable CC=gcc to CC=gcc32? Or do I export a variable CC=gcc32? What's the approved way? Thanks -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From ivo at ra.vendomar.ee Sun Sep 28 19:51:00 2003 From: ivo at ra.vendomar.ee (Ivo Sarak) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:51:00 +0300 (EEST) Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x In-Reply-To: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> Message-ID: Hello, I heard it first time that RH9 is not capable to run on Asus a7n8x Deluxe. I type this email on of these and Severn + updates are running just fine on second box. I see no DMA issues and even the SATA is enabled. Regards, Ivo Sa"rak. On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Per Bothner wrote: > I rather optimistically bought an Asus a7n8x Deluxe > motherboard (with the Nvidia nForce2 chipset), along with > an Athlon XP 2600+, and tried to install Severn2. Multiple > times. Each time it got partway into installing packages and > then a kernel panic or freeze. > > I had hoped it would work, since I read (mis-read?) that > the a7n8x runs on RH 9 without patches. But that doesn't > seem to be the case either - each time I try to do a > gcc boostrap (on a different partition than the one I > tried to install Severn2 on), gcc fails in a different way. > > My guess is some disk-related problem, such as DMA. > (I have moved a jumper to disable SATA, so the kernel would > not timeout for the non-existent drives.) Any suggestions? > > [This is a re-port. The previous posting has spent almost > to 24 hours awaiting "moderator approval", so I decided I > needed to subscribe.] > -- > --Per Bothner > per at bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Sep 28 19:59:59 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Compiling Kernel In-Reply-To: <3F773A90.6070009@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I have to use the gcc32 compiler to compile the kernel and modules, right? > > If so...pardon a dumb question...but do I edit the Makefile variable > CC=gcc to CC=gcc32? > > Or do I export a variable CC=gcc32? What's the approved way? $ CC=gcc32 make ... rday From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sun Sep 28 20:04:33 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:04:33 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 Message-ID: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be able to use it at all. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 20:18:20 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:18:20 +0200 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F76D13F.6090207@eburg.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> <3F76D13F.6090207@eburg.com> Message-ID: <3F77420C.20103@gmx.de> Gordon Messmer wrote: > shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > >> Elton Woo wrote: >> >>> My /etc/hosts file: >>> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs >>> # that require network functionality will fail. >>> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost >>> 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost >> >> >> i think that the second line with 127.0.0.1 will be ignored >> try this, all in *one* line >> >> 127.0.0.1 dhcp-133-74 localhost.localdomain localhost >> >> and sendmail should start in a short time. > > > > Horseshit, all of it. The order of lines in the hosts file doesn't > matter. All lines present will be processed. and i could bet that the order of lines does matter ;-) 192.168.0.100 horseshit 192.168.0.101 horseshit 192.168.0.200 bullshit 192.168.0.201 bullshit $ ping horseshit PING horseshit (192.168.0.100) from 192.168.0.10 : 56(84) bytes of data. $ ping bullshit PING bullshit (192.168.0.200) from 192.168.0.10 : 56(84) bytes of data. > Sendmail takes a long time to boot because it calls gethostbyname (or > something like it) for information on the addresses associated with > the local hostname. If all of the required data isn't in /etc/hosts, > then the resolver needs to do a DNS lookup on your hostname. > > If your hostname is an FQDN, then that FQDN must appear in /etc/hosts. > If my hostname is "host1.example.com", then /etc/hosts should contain > at least these entries: > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > 127.0.0.1 host1.example.com > > If your hostname is *not* an FQDN, then your hosts file must contain > both the short version of the local hostname, and its FQDN, as the > resolver is going to search for it based on the "search" entry in > /etc/resolv.conf. If my hostname is "host1" and /etc/resolv.conf > contains the line "search example.com", then the file /etc/hosts must > have at least these entries: > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > 127.0.0.1 host1.example.com host1 > > As long as your hosts file contains an entry for the local hostname, > and the FQDN (which should be the same thing), sendmail will not need > to consult DNS, and will start up properly. thanks for the clarification. since rhl 6.x i could always solve the long sendmail startup with 127.0.0.1 hostname hostname.localdomain localhost localhost.localdomain without "search localdomain" in /etc/resolv.conf -- shrek-m From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sun Sep 28 20:19:27 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:19:27 -0400 Subject: Extra packages for Fedora Core release 0.94 Message-ID: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> Ok, I am missing Red Hat 9 already : ( I miss all the extra packages I could install from fedora and sometimes from freshrpms and DAG. Recompiling all the srpms is taking ages. What is everyone else doing? I also miss synaptic since it let me browse and get a nice description for all the packages out there. yum info is a little too much to go through. Right now I installed apt from fedora for 9.0.93 and use that, though I am getting confilcts for certain apps. Will fedora ever have multimedia type applications like mplayer and xine? So is everyone else just compiling all the apps they need for Fedora Core release 0.94? Or are there some good repos out there already that I am not aware of? Right now I have this in my /etc/apt/sources.list file: rpm http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable testing unstable rpm-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora redhat/0.94/i386 os updates stable testing unstable rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/rawhide/i386 os rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386 freshrpms rpm http://macromedia.mplug.org apt/redhat/0.94 macromedia rpm http://gstreamer.net/releases redhat/redhat-9-i386 deps redhat In my /etc/yum.conf file I have: [base] http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/ [updates] http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/$releasever/ [fedora-stable] http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ [fedora-testing] http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ [fedora-unstable] http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ Are there any other repos out yet, or do I just need to wait until all the 9.0.93 are recompiled for 0.94? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Sun Sep 28 20:22:31 2003 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:22:31 -0500 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064780551.12303.186.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:04, Jim Drabb wrote: > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > able to use it at all. > > Jim Drabb It is working fine for me on 0.94, including the use of SpamAssassin filters and multiple accounts. Faster than under RH 9, BTW. I did an upgrade from RH 9 using the ISO's (which I downloaded in about 90 minutes via a cable modem using FTP.) Marc From stephen at skmoore.com Sun Sep 28 20:26:40 2003 From: stephen at skmoore.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:26:40 +1000 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? Message-ID: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> How do you get ACPI modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? -- ??? From anvil at livna.org Sun Sep 28 20:28:22 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:28:22 +0200 Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository Message-ID: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> Hello everyone. I would like to bring your attention on http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt : According to fedora.us, the merger between fedora and redhat necessitated the removal of certain problematic packages due to licensing issues. rpm.livna.org repositories contain those packages, and are apt/yum enabled. ######################### ### For Red Hat Linux ### ######################### For apt, add to your /etc/apt/sources.list : - For RH8 : rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ redhat/8.0/i386 stable unstable testing rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ redhat/8.0/i386 stable unstable testing - For RH9 : rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ redhat/9/i386 stable unstable testing rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ redhat/9/i386 stable unstable testing - For RH 9.0.93 (aka Severn) : rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ redhat/9.0.93/i386 stable unstable testing rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ redhat/9.0.93/i386 stable unstable testing For yum, add to your /etc/yum.conf : [livna-stable] name=Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable [livna-unstable] name=Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable [livna-testing] name=Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing ################## ### For Fedora ### ################## WARNING : Theese packages are signed using a different gpg key than fedora.us key. All new packages in rpm.livna.org repositories will be signed using this key For Fedora Core 0.94 (aka Severn2) : For apt : - run : (cd /etc/apt/gpg ; wget http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY) - and then : rpm --import /etc/apt/gpg/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY - add to your /etc/apt/sources.list : rpm http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing rpm-src http://rpm.livna.org/ fedora/0.94/i386 stable unstable testing For yum : - run : rpm --import http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY - add to your /etc/yum.conf : [livna-stable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable gpgcheck=1 [livna-unstable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable gpgcheck=1 [livna-testing] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing gpgcheck=1 Good day. D -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From per at bothner.com Sun Sep 28 20:43:01 2003 From: per at bothner.com (Per Bothner) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:43:01 -0700 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x In-Reply-To: <200309281731.h8SHVYA07509@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309281731.h8SHVYA07509@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F7747D5.9050207@bothner.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>I had hoped it would work, since I read (mis-read?) that >>the a7n8x runs on RH 9 without patches. But that doesn't >>seem to be the case either - each time I try to do a >>gcc boostrap (on a different partition than the one I > > > The supported bits should work. Tried memtest86 and checked the hw ? I downloaded memtest86 and ran it. (I had problems with the sources, but the binary ran fine.) It reports memory error.s This is a fairly new DDR 3200 512MB module, which I haven't used before (because the older motherboards couldn't handle it), but it may be too late to return it (to Fry's). So I'm trying to pass badram to the kernel, first to the existing RH9 installation (which worked fine with an older MB and memory). So far, so good. If the gcc bootstrap completes ok (with xemacs and Mozilla also running), then I'll again try installing Servern2. I assume it's just a matter of typing linux badram=0xef800000,0xef800000 to the boot floppy's command line. (I'm doing an install from disk.) -- --Per Bothner per at bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 20:45:19 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:45:19 -0500 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <3F77485F.6030801@d.umn.edu> Stephen Moore wrote: > How do you get ACPI modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? > Add to /etc/rc.local (I'm not sure because I'm in another machine with windows only ;-) ) /sbin/modprobe ac /sbin/modprobe battery From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 20:46:54 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:46:54 -0500 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> Jim Drabb wrote: > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora > Core release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have > not be able to use it at all. > > Jim Drabb I'm experiencing the same problems. Sometimes it works fine but it hangs quite frequently From j.sanchezf at terra.es Sun Sep 28 20:59:48 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:59:48 +0200 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:46:54 -0500, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > I'm experiencing the same problems. Sometimes it works fine but it > hangs quite frequently Same for me. It hangs a lot at the splash screen and sometimes later. I have one computer where the splash screen hangs a lot. I have another one were it rarely hangs there. Julio From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 28 21:05:08 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> from "Santiago Erquicia" at Med 28, 2003 03:46:54 Message-ID: <200309282105.h8SL59x15605@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > I'm experiencing the same problems. Sometimes it works fine but it > hangs quite frequently Ditto From xose at wanadoo.es Sun Sep 28 21:07:16 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:07:16 +0200 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x References: <200309281731.h8SHVYA07509@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F7747D5.9050207@bothner.com> Message-ID: <3F774D84.3080802@wanadoo.es> Per Bothner wrote: > I downloaded memtest86 and ran it. (I had problems with the > sources, but the binary ran fine.) CD1 of Fedora 0.94 has memtest86 test putting 'memtest86' at the "boot:" prompt. > It reports memory error.s This is a fairly new DDR 3200 512MB > module, which I haven't used before (because the older motherboards > couldn't handle it), but it may be too late to return it (to Fry's). Usually memory modules get life time warranty, consulte it. -- S moking C rack O ften From xose at wanadoo.es Sun Sep 28 21:26:37 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:26:37 +0200 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x References: Message-ID: <3F77520D.30403@wanadoo.es> Ivo Sarak wrote: > Hello, > > I heard it first time that RH9 is not capable to run on Asus a7n8x > Deluxe. I type this email on of these and Severn + updates are running > just fine on second box. > I see no DMA issues and even the SATA is enabled. Sometimes hardware is buggy and a BIOS upgrade helps to resolve it. Some times doesn't, and HW manufacturers release new HW free of bugs. They look like same harware(with same name, model...) but they are diferent revisions. dmidecode gets this and more. Sometime LiNUX kernel has a bug ;-) -- S moking C rack O ften From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 21:32:51 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Andrei Botoaca) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:32:51 +0300 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> Hmmm ... try this one ... it worked for me , and I really had no problems since .... Delete all your settings and folders (except local mail folder), and rerun evolution (I say this, because between installs I kept my /home partition unchanged (For the settings sake ... but now i deleted all settings, and except a little slow graphics in KDE everything is ok ... On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 23:46, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > Jim Drabb wrote: > > > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora > > Core release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have > > not be able to use it at all. > > > > Jim Drabb > > I'm experiencing the same problems. Sometimes it works fine but it > hangs quite frequently > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Sun Sep 28 21:45:12 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:45:12 -0300 Subject: Mounting ISO file Message-ID: <1064785511.4614.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> Sorry for the dummie question, but I really forgot, how do I mount a ISO file? Thiago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The following works for me: mount -t iso9660 -o loop Joe From erqu0001 at d.umn.edu Sun Sep 28 21:55:47 2003 From: erqu0001 at d.umn.edu (Santiago Erquicia) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:55:47 -0500 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> Message-ID: <3F7758E3.309@d.umn.edu> Andrei Botoaca wrote: >Hmmm ... try this one ... it worked for me , and I really had no >problems since .... >Delete all your settings and folders (except local mail folder), and >rerun evolution (I say this, because between installs I kept my /home >partition unchanged (For the settings sake ... but now i deleted all >settings, and except a little slow graphics in KDE everything is ok ... > > I did that. After having a lot of problems, I deleted my user and all my home directory and started from scratch. It runs better, but far from usable. From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sun Sep 28 21:57:19 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:57:19 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> Message-ID: <20030928215719.GA2769@thacker.dyndns.org> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 12:32:51AM +0300, Andrei Botoaca wrote: Hmmm ... try this one ... it worked for me , and I really had no > problems since .... > Delete all your settings and folders (except local mail folder), and > rerun evolution (I say this, because between installs I kept my /home > partition unchanged (For the settings sake ... but now i deleted all > settings, and except a little slow graphics in KDE everything is ok ... I did this, and I still have a consistent hang on exit. It matches the one described in bug 105715: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105715 And I get the same result attaching strace to evolution-wombat as the last comment mentions. Looks like evolution-wombat is waiting for some futex; might be nptl related, I don't know. It always hangs on exit, but that's the only time I'm getting a crash. John Thacker From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Sep 28 21:59:30 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:59:30 +0200 Subject: Extra packages for Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030928235930.4cc6f41e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:19:27 -0400, Jim Drabb wrote: > Are there any other repos out yet, or do I just need to wait until all > the 9.0.93 are recompiled for 0.94? Yes, exactly. The stuff that was removed from fedora.us is at http://rpm.liva.org, but with limited [human] resources it takes some time to catch up. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/d1nC0iMVcrivHFQRAmIwAJ9l49W3kkMXhMHlGdvbZkZUyQNobwCfUK2c lVo+e9BIKBhgtHviyAD3qAU= =sQqc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wrrhdev at riede.org Sun Sep 28 22:05:59 2003 From: wrrhdev at riede.org (Willem Riede) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:05:59 -0400 Subject: Severn 2 and kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test5.1.45.i686.rpm don't get along Message-ID: <20030928220559.GC3196@linnie.riede.org> I upgraded my test box to severn 2 today - went smoothly. As this is a dual PIII box, I heeded Michael Johnson's warning and didn't run smp until I upgraded to kernel-smp-2.4.22-1.2075.nptl.i686.rpm. That went without a hitch too. So, feeling lucky, I installed Arjan's kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test5.1.45.i686.rpm but with that kernel the box hung during the initscripts -- with the graphical boot it is not as clear where the problem is, but it appears to be with the advanced power monitoring. Does anyone else see that? Probably, I should just disable apmd, as my box doesn't support it anyway. Regards, Willem Riede. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 21:37:43 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:37:43 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F76D1DA.3010406@eburg.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F76D1DA.3010406@eburg.com> Message-ID: <200309281737.43386.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 08:19 am, Gordon Messmer > wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: > > Will do. In any case I've disabled sendmail and kudzu, from my startup > > services, since I don't need them. > > If you turn off sendmail, then system messages such as those from "cron" > will not be deliverable. They'll just end up building up in your mail > queue. You might want to keep an eye on that, or configure tmpwatch to > clean it out periodically. So, regardless that I'm not running a server, but just a single desktop machine, I should *still* enable sendmail? OK ... <*sigh*> Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 21:44:49 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:44:49 -0400 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F7653BF.3030807@tmsusa.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272224.00888.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7653BF.3030807@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200309281744.49543.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 27, 2003 11:21 pm, Joe > wrote: > >I don't. In fact, I don't think I need either. From what I've been reading > >on this and in the other beta list, postfix seems to be the preferred > >one. > > > > Well it's working well for me - very lightweight, but flexible and > scalable. Understood. However, since I don't run a mail server, do I *still* need either one? If so, should I just remove sendmail and install postfix in its place? Elton -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Sun Sep 28 21:49:27 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:49:27 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <200309281749.27190.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 04:04 pm, Jim Drabb > wrote: > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > able to use it at all. I've just tried and it hung at the splash screen. I had to kill it with the system monitor, and now it's sulking. Refuses to load from the menu or from a console prompt... I'll stick with kmail a while longer, then... Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sun Sep 28 22:02:22 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:02:22 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20030928215719.GA2769@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> <20030928215719.GA2769@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20030928220222.GA3000@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 05:57:19PM -0400, John Alexander Thacker wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 12:32:51AM +0300, Andrei Botoaca wrote: > > > Hmmm ... try this one ... it worked for me , and I really had no > > problems since .... > > Delete all your settings and folders (except local mail folder), and > > rerun evolution (I say this, because between installs I kept my /home > > partition unchanged (For the settings sake ... but now i deleted all > > settings, and except a little slow graphics in KDE everything is ok ... > > I did this, and I still have a consistent hang on exit. It matches the > one described in bug 105715: > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105715 > > And I get the same result attaching strace to evolution-wombat as the > last comment mentions. Looks like evolution-wombat is waiting for some > futex; might be nptl related, I don't know. > > It always hangs on exit, but that's the only time I'm getting a crash. > To correct that, I get a hang when trying to use the calendar within evoltion. So it seems like a wombat/calendar related hang. John Thacker From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 22:06:31 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:06:31 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309281737.43386.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F76D1DA.3010406@eburg.com> <200309281737.43386.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F775B67.6000207@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >On September 28, 2003 08:19 am, Gordon Messmer > wrote: > > >>Elton Woo wrote: >> >> >>>Will do. In any case I've disabled sendmail and kudzu, from my startup >>>services, since I don't need them. >>> >>> >>If you turn off sendmail, then system messages such as those from "cron" >>will not be deliverable. They'll just end up building up in your mail >>queue. You might want to keep an eye on that, or configure tmpwatch to >>clean it out periodically. >> >> >So, regardless that I'm not running a server, but just a single desktop >machine, I should *still* enable sendmail? OK ... <*sigh*> > > Did sendmail change? Back when I was using it, you didn't need the daemon to be running in order to invoke sendmail for outgoing messages. Joe From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 22:08:10 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:08:10 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309281744.49543.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272224.00888.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7653BF.3030807@tmsusa.com> <200309281744.49543.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <3F775BCA.406@tmsusa.com> Elton Woo wrote: >On September 27, 2003 11:21 pm, Joe > wrote: > > >>>I don't. In fact, I don't think I need either. From what I've been reading >>>on this and in the other beta list, postfix seems to be the preferred >>>one. >>> >>> >>> >>Well it's working well for me - very lightweight, but flexible and >>scalable. >> >> >Understood. However, since I don't run a mail server, do I *still* >need either one? If so, should I just remove sendmail and install >postfix in its place? > > You make it sound so hard - Just make sure the postfix package is installed, then say "redhat-switch-mail" and all is good. Joe From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sun Sep 28 22:08:58 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:08:58 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> Message-ID: <3F775BFA.603@tampabay.rr.com> Andrei Botoaca wrote: > Hmmm ... try this one ... it worked for me , and I really had no > problems since .... > Delete all your settings and folders (except local mail folder), and > rerun evolution (I say this, because between installs I kept my /home > partition unchanged (For the settings sake ... but now i deleted all > settings, and except a little slow graphics in KDE everything is ok ... This one didn't help me. I did a clean install of 0.94 and had an empty ~. After having evolution crash everytime I tried to run it, I deleted my ~ and evolution settings under .gconf and tried again, still no dice. I might try to downgrade to the version from 9.0.93 or RH 9. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA From alan at redhat.com Sun Sep 28 22:11:03 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <200309281744.49543.elwoo@videotron.ca> from "Elton Woo" at Med 28, 2003 05:44:49 Message-ID: <200309282211.h8SMB3G06461@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Understood. However, since I don't run a mail server, do I *still* > need either one? If so, should I just remove sendmail and install > postfix in its place? If you want, sendmail is configured by default so that it won't accept mail from the outside world From joe at tmsusa.com Sun Sep 28 22:12:45 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:12:45 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F775BCA.406@tmsusa.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272224.00888.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7653BF.3030807@tmsusa.com> <200309281744.49543.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F775BCA.406@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3F775CDD.4070807@tmsusa.com> Joe wrote: > Elton Woo wrote: >> If so, should I just remove sendmail and install >> postfix in its place? >> > > You make it sound so hard - > > Just make sure the postfix package is installed, then say > "redhat-switch-mail" and all is good. er, better have the "redhat-switch-mail" utility installed first - it's on the CDs - Joe From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sun Sep 28 22:13:33 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:13:33 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <200309281749.27190.elwoo@videotron.ca> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <200309281749.27190.elwoo@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20030928221333.GA3212@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 05:49:27PM -0400, Elton Woo wrote: > On September 28, 2003 04:04 pm, Jim Drabb > > wrote: > > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > > able to use it at all. > > I've just tried and it hung at the splash screen. I had to kill it with the > system monitor, and now it's sulking. Refuses to load from the menu > or from a console prompt... Did you run "evolution --force-shutdown" ? That will automatically kill the evolution-wombat and evolution-alarm-notify child processes. If those are still alive, then evolution won't load, just as you describe. John Thacker From thacker at math.cornell.edu Sun Sep 28 22:20:01 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:20:01 -0400 Subject: Extra packages for Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20030928235930.4cc6f41e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> <20030928235930.4cc6f41e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20030928222001.GA3361@thacker.dyndns.org> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:59:30PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:19:27 -0400, Jim Drabb wrote: > > > Are there any other repos out yet, or do I just need to wait until all > > the 9.0.93 are recompiled for 0.94? > > Yes, exactly. > > The stuff that was removed from fedora.us is at http://rpm.liva.org, > but with limited [human] resources it takes some time to catch up. Ah, thanks. Too bad that that name isn't resolving yet for me. John Thacker From shrek-m at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 22:20:42 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:20:42 +0200 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F775CDD.4070807@tmsusa.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309272224.00888.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F7653BF.3030807@tmsusa.com> <200309281744.49543.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F775BCA.406@tmsusa.com> <3F775CDD.4070807@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <3F775EBA.9070101@gmx.de> Joe wrote: > er, better have the "redhat-switch-mail" utility installed first - > it's on the CDs should be installed with chkconfig # alternatives --config mta There are 2 programs which provide 'mta'. Selection Command ----------------------------------------------- *+ 1 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail 2 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix Enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: -- shrek-m From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sun Sep 28 22:20:57 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:20:57 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F775EC9.8060202@tampabay.rr.com> Jim Drabb wrote: > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > able to use it at all. > > Jim Drabb Ok, I now just ran evolution like so: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 evolution and it seems to be stable now. Maybe an issue with NPTL? Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA JDrabb_REMOVE at tampabay.rr.com From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Sun Sep 28 22:33:45 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:33:45 -0400 Subject: Evolution fix? Message-ID: <1064788425.2932.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> I am using evolution now under 0.94, so I lost the original thread. As a temporary fix try this: cd /usr/bin mv evolution-1.4 evolution-1.4.orig vim evolution-1.4 put this in evolution-1.4 #!/bin/bash LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 evolution-1.4.orig chmod 755 evolution-1.4 This should work around the NPTL issues in evolution-wombat. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA JDrabb_REMOVE at tampabay.rr.com From p.van.egdom at chello.nl Sun Sep 28 22:36:56 2003 From: p.van.egdom at chello.nl (Peter van Egdom) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:36:56 +0200 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064788616.19325.5.camel@powermate.chello.nl> Op zo 28-09-2003, om 22:04 schreef Jim Drabb: > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > able to use it at all. > > Jim Drabb Try disabling prelinking by setting "PRELINKING=no" in "/etc/sysconfig/prelink". This appears to help for me. -- Peter van Egdom From warlock_ba at hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 23:06:32 2003 From: warlock_ba at hotmail.com (Andrei Botoaca) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:06:32 +0300 Subject: Perl kinda messed up! Message-ID: <1064790391.922.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> There are two versions joined i guess and it is not working properly. I had installed basics for Perl (and include I got a folder 5.8.1 with all the includes for it ...). But then i installed SSLeay and i got a new folder 5.8.0, and it is NOT working without special perl options, aka Webmin not working with SSL because of that ... Thanks Andrei Botoaca From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Sun Sep 28 23:17:03 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:17:03 +0200 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F775BFA.603@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F7748BE.7080601@d.umn.edu> <1064784771.12642.1.camel@gelu.damage_inc> <3F775BFA.603@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064791023.3986.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 00:08, Jim Drabb wrote: > This one didn't help me. I did a clean install of 0.94 and had an empty > ~. After having evolution crash everytime I tried to run it, I deleted > my ~ and evolution settings under .gconf and tried again, still no dice. Ximian has just released Evolution 1.4.5... I recommend you giving it a spin to see if things are fixed. From gstool at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 23:26:09 2003 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:26:09 -0500 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1064791568.6250.4.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:04, Jim Drabb wrote: > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > able to use it at all. I had those problems the first day test2 was installed. Then it settled down, and the only thing I did was copy over my contacts folder from RHL9. Has been rock solid since then. Gerry From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Sep 28 23:32:09 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:32:09 +0200 Subject: Extra packages for Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20030928222001.GA3361@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> <20030928235930.4cc6f41e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <20030928222001.GA3361@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20030929013209.79f8b14b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:20:01 -0400, John Alexander Thacker wrote: > > > Are there any other repos out yet, or do I just need to wait until all > > > the 9.0.93 are recompiled for 0.94? > > > > Yes, exactly. > > > > The stuff that was removed from fedora.us is at http://rpm.liva.org, > > but with limited [human] resources it takes some time to catch up. > > Ah, thanks. Too bad that that name isn't resolving yet for me. Oh, sorry, John [and everyone else], it's: http://rpm.livna.org - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/d2950iMVcrivHFQRAuJAAJ9p9xL03fUXD6ROC7Xx5n7xsA5SWgCfZn7/ otBOGbbcv9W+JCiBT2ndCMc= =op1/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nmarsh1 at mac.com Mon Sep 29 00:20:33 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nick Marsh) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:20:33 -0500 Subject: HDC errors Message-ID: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command nick marsh nmarsh1 at mac.com From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Sep 29 00:35:41 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:35:41 -0500 Subject: icons Message-ID: <3F777E5D.6030909@lopht.net> I just installed FC test2, and am having trouble with the icon themes. It seems that the gnome icon theme doesn't have enough icons to use it as the default inherited theme instead of Bluecurve. The gnome theme has replacement icons, they just don't appear to get used in the menu. Perhaps it's because there is only 48x48 versions? # find /usr/share/icons/gnome/ -name *redhat* /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-presentations.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-accessories.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-email.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-games.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-graphics.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-home.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-internet.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-main-menu.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-office.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-preferences.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-server_settings.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-programming.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-system_settings.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-sound_video.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-spreadsheet.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-starthere.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-word-processor.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-system_tools.png /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-web-browser.png From hoyt at cavtel.net Mon Sep 29 00:41:34 2003 From: hoyt at cavtel.net (HoytDuff) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:41:34 -0400 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <3F77485F.6030801@d.umn.edu> References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> <3F77485F.6030801@d.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200309282041.34675.hoyt@cavtel.net> On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:45 pm, Santiago Erquicia wrote: > > How do you get ACPI modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? > > Add to /etc/rc.local (I'm not sure because I'm in another machine with > windows only ;-) ) > > /sbin/modprobe ac > /sbin/modprobe battery Add the module names to /etc/modules instead. -- Hoyt From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Sep 29 00:42:51 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:42:51 -0500 Subject: mozilla theme Message-ID: <3F77800B.9090304@lopht.net> I realise this is going to be a somewhat offtopic post, but am thinking perhaps the mozilla package maintainer(s) will see this and respond. Thankfully I waited to install a new mozilla theme long enough to notice that it's using the gtk2 theme from the system settings. Is this something RedHat added to the Classic theme? (If I download new themes, can I get this back by going to the Classic theme) I'd like to be able to change to the button icons for a different theme, and keep the gtk2 theme system settings applied. Anyone know how to do that? From thacker at math.cornell.edu Mon Sep 29 01:24:03 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:24:03 -0400 Subject: Evolution crashes Message-ID: <20030929012403.GA30279@thacker.dyndns.org> I discovered that at least some of my crashing upon exit was due to this bug in evolution: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=47173 Evolution essentially doesn't work with the im-ja Japanese Input Method for gtk2. A shame since it's a nice input method, but it's not currently packaged with Fedora Core, so it's not an official problem here yet. Of course, considering that evolution's already borked in a couple of ways with Japanese input due to gtkhtml, this isn't surprising. (Cf http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=44619) John Thacker From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 01:27:06 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository In-Reply-To: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> References: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: On Sep 28, 2003 at 22:28, Dams in a maddening rage wrote: [...] Using >For yum : >- run : rpm --import http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY >- add to your /etc/yum.conf : >[livna-stable] >name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) >baseurl= > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable >gpgcheck=1 >[livna-unstable] >name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) >baseurl= > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable >gpgcheck=1 >[livna-testing] >name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) >baseurl= > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing >gpgcheck=1 I get: retrygrab() failed for: http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Don't have good ideas if you aren't willing to be responsible for them. 21:25:18 up 35 days, 8:59, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 01:29:26 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:29:26 -0400 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> References: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: <3F778AF6.3000203@speakeasy.net> I get the same messages on my Sony Vaio PCG-F350. I disabled the graphical boot so I could see the kernel messages. Got to see them with a test release. So much for graphical booting... Bob Nick Marsh wrote: > Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. > > > hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 > hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command > > > > nick marsh > nmarsh1 at mac.com > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Sep 29 01:32:23 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:32:23 -0400 Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository In-Reply-To: References: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <1064799143.26711.11.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 21:27, ne... wrote: > On Sep 28, 2003 at 22:28, Dams in a maddening rage wrote: > > [...] > > Using > >For yum : > >- run : rpm --import http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY > >- add to your /etc/yum.conf : > >[livna-stable] > >name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) > >baseurl= > > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable > >gpgcheck=1 > retrygrab() failed for: > http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info > Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found are you sure you're using the above? b/c your url and the url listed under baseurl= up there are NOT the same. -sv From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Mon Sep 29 01:33:19 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:33:19 -0400 Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository In-Reply-To: References: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <20030929013319.GA4029@prince.homelinux.org> ne... staggered into view and mumbled: > retrygrab() failed for: > http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info Take a look at the baseurl entries again. Replace redhat with fedora for all the baseurl entries and you should have no trouble. Prince From anvil at livna.org Mon Sep 29 01:39:26 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:39:26 +0200 Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository In-Reply-To: References: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <1064799566.7317.40.camel@gruyere> You are fully responsible for that. Check your path and check what i wrote. path is not rpm.livna.org/redhat but /fedora ! :p D Le lun 29/09/2003 ? 03:27, ne... a ?crit : > I get: > > retrygrab() failed for: > http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info > Executing failover method > failover: out of servers to try > Error getting file > http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Mon Sep 29 01:45:22 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:45:22 -0400 Subject: livna mplayer fails dependencies Message-ID: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> all livna repos are functioning correctly. Here are my entries in /etc/yum.conf: [livna-stable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ [livna-unstable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ [livna-testing] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ Well, when I try to install mplayer I get: root at Princey ~# yum install mplayer Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - i386 - Base Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies .package mplayer needs libaa.so.1 (not provided) package mplayer needs libdv.so.2 (not provided) package mplayer needs liblzo.so.1 (not provided) Where can I get these dependencies? Is there another repository out there that has those deps? Thanks, Prince From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Sep 29 01:49:04 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:49:04 -0400 Subject: livna mplayer fails dependencies In-Reply-To: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1064800144.26711.13.camel@binkley> > .package mplayer needs libaa.so.1 (not provided) > package mplayer needs libdv.so.2 (not provided) > package mplayer needs liblzo.so.1 (not provided) > > Where can I get these dependencies? Is there another repository out there that has those deps? > http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/ -sv From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 01:53:01 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:53:01 -0400 Subject: Kernel Compile -- 802.11g Wireless 54Mbps PCMCIA Card Message-ID: <3F77907D.5080607@speakeasy.net> I want to run an 802.11g wireless PCMCIA card under Linux, on my wife's aging Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop. Luis Rodriguez let me know that this is possible if I don't mind doing a kernel compile. I just compiled the Fedora Core - provided kernel according to the instructions provided by Luis at http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/802.11g/Documentation/ , and then compiling and installing the drivers provided on that site (for the Intersil 38xx chipset.) Essentially, a new pcmcia package is compiled and installed. So far -- so good! I have not popped in a wireless card yet, I will do that tomorrow. However, the the laptop boots fine with the considerable pcmcia changes. Now to find a compatible pcmcia card -- probably the Netgear WG511 or SMC2835W EZ Connect g 2.4 GHz 54 Mbps Wireless Cardbus Adapter -- and see if I can get some action when I pop the card in. If the module loads and I can set up encryption stuff, I'll head over to my Starbucks to check it out. I wonder if the card drivers will tell me when they detect available wireless networks and what the SSIDs are? -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 01:56:18 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository In-Reply-To: <1064799143.26711.11.camel@binkley> References: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> <1064799143.26711.11.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Sep 28, 2003 at 21:32, seth vidal in a maddening rage wrote: >On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 21:27, ne... wrote: >> On Sep 28, 2003 at 22:28, Dams in a maddening rage wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> Using >> >For yum : >> >- run : rpm --import http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY >> >- add to your /etc/yum.conf : >> >[livna-stable] >> >name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) >> >baseurl= >> > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable >> >gpgcheck=1 > > >> retrygrab() failed for: >> http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info ^^^^^^ My error. I got the yum.conf entries from the mail posted either yesterday or the day before if my memory serves me well. >> Executing failover method >> failover: out of servers to try >> Error getting file >> http://rpm.livna.org/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/headers/header.info >> [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > >are you sure you're using the above? > >b/c your url and the url listed under baseurl= up there are NOT the >same. I have made the necessary correction and it works fine now. Thanks! -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 HUMAN REPLICAS are inserted into VATS of NUTRITIONAL YEAST ... 21:50:38 up 35 days, 9:25, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From anvil at livna.org Mon Sep 29 01:57:51 2003 From: anvil at livna.org (Dams) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:57:51 +0200 Subject: livna mplayer fails dependencies In-Reply-To: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1064800671.7317.48.camel@gruyere> From updated updated http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt : ####################################### ############## Important ############## ####################################### You should only use theese repositories if you are already using Fedora.us repositories ! D Le lun 29/09/2003 ? 03:45, Lorenzo Prince a ?crit : > root at Princey ~# yum install mplayer > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - i386 - Base > Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) > Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) > Server: Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) > Server: Red Hat Linux 0.94 - Updates > Finding updated packages > Downloading needed headers > Resolving dependencies > .package mplayer needs libaa.so.1 (not provided) > package mplayer needs libdv.so.2 (not provided) > package mplayer needs liblzo.so.1 (not provided) > Where can I get these dependencies? Is there another repository out there that has those deps? > Thanks, > Prince -- Dams Nad? Anvil/Anvilou on irc.freenode.net : #Linux-Fr, #Fedora I am looking for a job : http://livna.org/~anvil/cv.php "Dona Nobis Pacem E Dona Eis Requiem". Noir. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 "I'd love to go out with you, but the man on television told me to say tuned." 21:57:02 up 35 days, 9:31, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 01:59:56 2003 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository In-Reply-To: <1064799566.7317.40.camel@gruyere> References: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> <1064799566.7317.40.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: On Sep 29, 2003 at 03:39, Dams in a maddening rage wrote: >You are fully responsible for that. Check your path and check what i >wrote. path is not rpm.livna.org/redhat but /fedora ! :p Duly noted and corrected and the top post 2 (-: -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Life is like an onion: you peel it off one layer at a time, and sometimes you weep. -- Carl Sandburg 21:59:15 up 35 days, 9:33, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Mon Sep 29 02:08:03 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:08:03 -0400 Subject: livna mplayer fails dependencies In-Reply-To: <1064800144.26711.13.camel@binkley> References: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> <1064800144.26711.13.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20030929020803.GA5165@prince.homelinux.org> seth vidal staggered into view and mumbled: > http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.94/i386/yum/stable/ Thanks. Worked great. I added the stable, unstable and testing repos. I didn't realize, and this is something that I guess needs to be stated more straightforward, that fedora.us and rpm.livna.org complement each other. Both should be in your /etc/apt/sources.list and/or /etc/yum.conf. Thanks for the help. Prince From lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org Mon Sep 29 02:14:25 2003 From: lorenzo at prince.homelinux.org (Lorenzo Prince) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:14:25 -0400 Subject: livna mplayer fails dependencies In-Reply-To: <20030929020803.GA5165@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> <1064800144.26711.13.camel@binkley> <20030929020803.GA5165@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20030929021425.GB5165@prince.homelinux.org> Correcting for my previous post: it was very clear if I had only actually read the readme file this evening. I only red it this afternoon around 2:00 or so before it was updated. Thanks again. Prince From kylez at turbolinux.com.cn Mon Sep 29 02:18:29 2003 From: kylez at turbolinux.com.cn (Zu Zhihui) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:18:29 +0800 Subject: a feature of anaconda Message-ID: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> I have only the first CD of severn, My computer has a CDROM drive, no floppy drive. Could I boot from the first CD when install, and then choose the NFS ISO install method ? From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 02:31:17 2003 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:31:17 -0400 Subject: a feature of anaconda In-Reply-To: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> Message-ID: <00BE3CFC-F225-11D7-8403-000A95689082@speakeasy.net> On Sunday, Sep 28, 2003, at 22:18 America/New_York, Zu Zhihui wrote: > I have only the first CD of severn, My computer has a CDROM drive, no > floppy drive. Could I boot from the first CD when install, and then > choose the NFS ISO install method ? > Yes. Try the following at the boot: prompt "linux askmethod" (for text based network install) "linux askmethod graphical" --Jack From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 02:34:31 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:34:31 -0400 Subject: a feature of anaconda In-Reply-To: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> References: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> Message-ID: <3F779A37.8030604@speakeasy.net> Yes you can. At the boot: prompt type 'linux askmethod' Example: boot: linux askmethod Then you will come to a language screen, a keyboard and mouse screen, and then you'll be asked what type of installation you want to do. One of the options is 'NFS image'. Select that one. Bob Zu Zhihui wrote: > I have only the first CD of severn, My computer has a CDROM drive, no > floppy drive. Could I boot from the first CD when install, and then > choose the NFS ISO install method ? > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Sep 29 02:34:51 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:34:51 -0500 Subject: a feature of anaconda In-Reply-To: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> References: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> Message-ID: <3F779A4B.5000904@farorbit.com> Use the boot CD iso in CD/images... (where the boot floppies are). You can boot from it, and the select NFS, FTP, DISK, CD, HTTP (SuSE has SMB too...). Zu Zhihui wrote: >I have only the first CD of severn, My computer has a CDROM drive, no >floppy drive. Could I boot from the first CD when install, and then >choose the NFS ISO install method ? > > > > > > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 02:36:43 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:36:43 -0400 Subject: a feature of anaconda In-Reply-To: <00BE3CFC-F225-11D7-8403-000A95689082@speakeasy.net> References: <00BE3CFC-F225-11D7-8403-000A95689082@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F779ABB.4080104@speakeasy.net> Interesting, that. I didn't know about the 'graphical' option. Thanks. Would you happen to know how to get mediacheck to work for NFS images? The release notes claims mediacheck works for NFS, and it did at one point a few releases ago, but the capbility seems lost now. Thanks Bob Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > On Sunday, Sep 28, 2003, at 22:18 America/New_York, Zu Zhihui wrote: > >> I have only the first CD of severn, My computer has a CDROM drive, no >> floppy drive. Could I boot from the first CD when install, and then >> choose the NFS ISO install method ? >> > Yes. Try the following at the boot: prompt > > "linux askmethod" (for text based network install) > "linux askmethod graphical" > > --Jack > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Sep 29 02:44:06 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:44:06 -0400 Subject: a feature of anaconda In-Reply-To: <3F779A4B.5000904@farorbit.com> References: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> <3F779A4B.5000904@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <3F779C76.9070206@speakeasy.net> You don't need boot.iso, but can use it if you really want to. CD #1 is bootable, of course, and supports 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt. Plus you use it as a rescue CD. I've used both a boot.iso CD and CD #1 just for fun and games. Doesn't really seem to matter what you pick either way... Bob stephan schutter wrote: > Use the boot CD iso in CD/images... (where the boot floppies are). You > can boot from it, and the select NFS, FTP, DISK, CD, HTTP (SuSE has SMB > too...). > > Zu Zhihui wrote: > >> I have only the first CD of severn, My computer has a CDROM drive, no >> floppy drive. Could I boot from the first CD when install, and then >> choose the NFS ISO install method ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Mon Sep 29 03:08:52 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:08:52 -0500 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <3F778AF6.3000203@speakeasy.net> References: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> <3F778AF6.3000203@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1064804931.18116.2.camel@ByteEnable> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 20:29, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I get the same messages on my Sony Vaio PCG-F350. I disabled the > graphical boot so I could see the kernel messages. Got to see them with > a test release. So much for graphical booting... > > Bob > > > Nick Marsh wrote: > > Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. > > > > > > hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 > > hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command > > > > > > > > nick marsh > > nmarsh1 at mac.com This means that the IDE driver had problems communicating with the IDE controller. Probably CRC error's (bad cable, bad hardware). I'm guessing that it probably starts out in DMA mode, then gets these errors and reverts to PIO mode, thats why it goes away. Do a hdparm -i /dev/hdc and see what mode you are running in. Byte From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Sep 29 03:14:46 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (stephan schutter) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:14:46 -0500 Subject: a feature of anaconda In-Reply-To: <3F779C76.9070206@speakeasy.net> References: <3F779675.7060809@turbolinux.com.cn> <3F779A4B.5000904@farorbit.com> <3F779C76.9070206@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F77A3A6.1020505@farorbit.com> Why yes, of course... But the boot.iso fits on a mini CD... (!), and that is cooll and usefull to have in the pocket of the support guys... Robert L Cochran wrote: > You don't need boot.iso, but can use it if you really want to. CD #1 > is bootable, of course, and supports 'linux askmethod' at the boot > prompt. Plus you use it as a rescue CD. I've used both a boot.iso CD > and CD #1 just for fun and games. > > Doesn't really seem to matter what you pick either way... > > Bob > > > stephan schutter wrote: > >> Use the boot CD iso in CD/images... (where the boot floppies are). >> You can boot from it, and the select NFS, FTP, DISK, CD, HTTP (SuSE >> has SMB too...). >> >> Zu Zhihui wrote: >> >>> I have only the first CD of severn, My computer has a CDROM drive, no >>> floppy drive. Could I boot from the first CD when install, and then >>> choose the NFS ISO install method ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> > From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Sep 29 03:21:21 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 05:21:21 +0200 Subject: livna mplayer fails dependencies In-Reply-To: <20030929021425.GB5165@prince.homelinux.org> References: <20030929014522.GB4029@prince.homelinux.org> <1064800144.26711.13.camel@binkley> <20030929020803.GA5165@prince.homelinux.org> <20030929021425.GB5165@prince.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <20030929052121.09b7caa5.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:14:25 -0400, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Correcting for my previous post: it was very clear if I had only actually read the readme > file this evening. I only red it this afternoon around 2:00 or so before it was updated. Bad excuse. ;-P Because the very first version of the readme.txt (when the site went online) explained that rpm.livna.org contains the stuff that was removed from Fedora Linux repositories. That implied certain dependencies already. But of course, the changed readme makes the dependency really clear. ;) - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/d6Ux0iMVcrivHFQRAvU2AJ9k547jxn7w+oZ6b4gc9NXCmA1K+wCeM3a5 e+I194/ngBCjRhcDmvRA/o8= =O1wi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Sep 29 03:30:55 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:30:55 -0500 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository Message-ID: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> I would like to start picking up add-on packages, for example from freshrpms.net or livna.org. I'd prefer to stick to the apt access. However, I don't see apt packages on fedora.us, freshrpms.net, or livna.org for .94. Can I use the package of .93? Does freshrpms.net have repos for either beta? I couldn't find them if so. Does anyone know what to put in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to get up2date to pick up the add-ons from either repository? From guinan at bluebutton.com Mon Sep 29 04:04:14 2003 From: guinan at bluebutton.com (Jamie Guinan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <3F778AF6.3000203@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I get the same messages on my Sony Vaio PCG-F350. I disabled the > graphical boot so I could see the kernel messages. Got to see them with > a test release. So much for graphical booting... That's your memory-stick slot, it looks like an IDE drive to the system, but only works if there's a stick present. Its safe to ignore, and you can later pop in a stick and mount it. Alternative is to boot with "hdc=none" (IIRC), but then you don't get to mount a memstick. -Jamie > Bob > > > Nick Marsh wrote: > > Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. > > > > > > hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 > > hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command > > > > > > > > nick marsh > > nmarsh1 at mac.com > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From dax at gurulabs.com Mon Sep 29 04:15:29 2003 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:15:29 -0600 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064791568.6250.4.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <1064791568.6250.4.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1064808928.5105.0.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:26, Gerry Tool wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:04, Jim Drabb wrote: > > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > > able to use it at all. > > I had those problems the first day test2 was installed. Then it settled > down, and the only thing I did was copy over my contacts folder from > RHL9. Has been rock solid since then. This basically mirrors my experience. The first day installed test2 I had many hangs. But, Evolution has been rock solid ever since. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From nu1sg at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 04:19:59 2003 From: nu1sg at yahoo.com (Daniel Durgin) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064808928.5105.0.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <20030929041959.71353.qmail@web11805.mail.yahoo.com> I too have problems running (actually halting) Evolution. I am running 2.4.20-20.9 on an Athlon XP. I tried to use Ximians updater program, but it doesn't like the fact that I am using a beta. Any chance I can fool it into think I am using RHL 9? - Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 04:51:31 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:51:31 -0400 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <3F751607.1070203@postnewspapers.com.au>; from craig@postnewspapers.com.au on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 12:45:59PM +0800 References: <3F751607.1070203@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <20030929005131.E25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Craig Ringer (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) said: > It would not be at all difficult to have the hardware auto-detect happen > quite transparently, just as if it were off the CD - just do it during > firstboot. You could always re-run the same detection later, too, as a > nice bonus. Technically, that's a shade late, unless you're restarting portions of the initscripts afterwards. :) Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 04:54:42 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:54:42 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F752B5C.3090504@postnewspapers.com.au>; from craig@postnewspapers.com.au on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 02:17:00PM +0800 References: <3F75290E.669CF77D@kahealani.com> <3F752B5C.3090504@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <20030929005442.F25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Craig Ringer (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) said: > For this reason, I'm quite interested in the possibility, in future, of > integrating a parellised rcS/run-parts to allow the execution of > multiple non-interdependent boot processes at the same time. This would > be especially handy when one is waiting on disk I/O while another is > thrashing the CPU, etc. The problem is that then *all* your parallel processes will most likely be waiting on disk I/O, then. :) Bill, who needs to run some more benchmarks... From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 05:07:30 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:07:30 -0400 Subject: Problem fixed: Network: "Hisax device eth0" In-Reply-To: <3F75E88A.8060901@wanadoo.es>; from xose@wanadoo.es on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 09:44:10PM +0200 References: <3F74E91B.8000908@muenster.de> <3F75C4D6.2050109@muenster.de> <3F75C643.1060408@wanadoo.es> <3F75DCEE.2000101@muenster.de> <3F75E88A.8060901@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <20030929010730.G25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Xose Vazquez Perez (xose at wanadoo.es) said: > I'm not sure, but ISDN boards are under PCI_CLASS_NETWORK_OTHER(0x0280) > and pci.c from kudzu has not this case. kudzu bug :-? fill a bugzilla report. It's an inherent conflict with judging based by PCI class; excluding 0x0280 leaves out all the wireless cards, including it includes all the ISDN cards. Bill From ba at linuxin.dk Mon Sep 29 05:09:58 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:09:58 +0200 Subject: Kernel messages Message-ID: <1064812198.5719.2.camel@Linux1> How can i pipe kernel messages during boot to /dev/null ? Its the idea to get a 100 % graphical boot. -- Bjorn Andersen From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 05:22:03 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:22:03 -0400 Subject: why is sox without soxmix In-Reply-To: <3F75AB4D.3070204@georgs.org>; from georg@georgs.org on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 05:22:53PM +0200 References: <3F75AB4D.3070204@georgs.org> Message-ID: <20030929012203.K25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Georg E Schneider (georg at georgs.org) said: > why is sox without soxmix ? Acciedntally excluded. It's in bugzilla somewhere. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 05:24:15 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:24:15 -0400 Subject: openoffice 1.1 In-Reply-To: <3F75D479.9090706@gmx.de>; from shrek-m@gmx.de on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 08:18:33PM +0200 References: <3F75D479.9090706@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20030929012415.L25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) said: > why ooo 1.0.2 instaed 1.0.3 ? The OpenOffice guy has been busy, is the short answer. 1.1 is planned. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 05:26:08 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:26:08 -0400 Subject: sound-juicer mp3 support In-Reply-To: <3F7668A0.8050002@tuins.ac.jp>; from grant@tuins.ac.jp on Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 01:50:40PM +0900 References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> <3F7668A0.8050002@tuins.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030929012608.M25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > I know RH's policy on mp3 support, but with Grip it was possible to > install LAME or such to provide it in order to rip mp3s. How about with > sound-juicer? You'll need the support for gstreamer. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 05:36:16 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:36:16 -0400 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com>; from stephen@skmoore.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 06:26:40AM +1000 References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> Message-ID: <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Stephen Moore (stephen at skmoore.com) said: > How do you get ACPI modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? Add them to /etc/rc.modules, /etc/rc.local, write your own init script, etc. Code will be added to do this in rc.sysinit in the next build of initscripts. From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 05:44:58 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:44:58 -0400 Subject: Kernel messages In-Reply-To: <1064812198.5719.2.camel@Linux1>; from ba@linuxin.dk on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:09:58AM +0200 References: <1064812198.5719.2.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <20030929014458.O25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Bjorn Andersen (ba at linuxin.dk) said: > How can i pipe kernel messages during boot to /dev/null ? console=/dev/null -or- quiet Bill From ba at linuxin.dk Mon Sep 29 06:00:18 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:00:18 +0200 Subject: Kernel messages In-Reply-To: <20030929014458.O25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064812198.5719.2.camel@Linux1> <20030929014458.O25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064815218.5719.5.camel@Linux1> man, 2003-09-29 kl. 07:44 skrev Bill Nottingham: > > How can i pipe kernel messages during boot to /dev/null ? > > console=/dev/null Where does i write that? In grub.conf? -- Bjorn Andersen From dax at gurulabs.com Mon Sep 29 06:06:35 2003 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:06:35 -0600 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> References: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: <1064815594.25524.5.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 18:20, Nick Marsh wrote: > Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. > > > hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 > hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command This is the smartd daemon (started at boot time) checking your CDROM drive's S.M.A.R.T. status. S.M.A.R.T. only applies to hard drives, hence the (annoying) error message. The culprit is the "DEVICESCAN" in your /etc/smartd.conf file. You can't simply remove it though, since then the other example lines will be used. My solution (since I only have one IDE hard disk) is to modify my /etc/smartd.conf file to *only* have the following two lines: # First (primary) ATA/IDE hard disk. Monitor all attributes /dev/hda -a -m dax at gurulabs.com I'm CCing those those well intentioned people who responded to your message as well so they will know the true cause of this. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 06:07:17 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:07:17 -0400 Subject: Kernel messages In-Reply-To: <1064815218.5719.5.camel@Linux1>; from ba@linuxin.dk on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:00:18AM +0200 References: <1064812198.5719.2.camel@Linux1> <20030929014458.O25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064815218.5719.5.camel@Linux1> Message-ID: <20030929020717.A16826@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Bjorn Andersen (ba at linuxin.dk) said: > man, 2003-09-29 kl. 07:44 skrev Bill Nottingham: > > > How can i pipe kernel messages during boot to /dev/null ? > > > > console=/dev/null > > Where does i write that? In grub.conf? That's a *joke*. Although, it's certainly a good way to get rid of *all* messages. 'console=/dev/null' and 'quiet' would both be kernel arguments, you can pass them on the command line in grub. Bill From ba at linuxin.dk Mon Sep 29 06:24:08 2003 From: ba at linuxin.dk (Bjorn Andersen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:24:08 +0200 Subject: Kernel messages In-Reply-To: <20030929020717.A16826@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064812198.5719.2.camel@Linux1> <20030929014458.O25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064815218.5719.5.camel@Linux1> <20030929020717.A16826@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064816648.5835.1.camel@Linux1> man, 2003-09-29 kl. 08:07 skrev Bill Nottingham: > 'console=/dev/null' and 'quiet' would both be kernel arguments, > you can pass them on the command line in grub. hmm, it still shows some messages... -- Bjorn Andersen From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Sep 29 06:32:32 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:32:32 +0100 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <20030929005131.E25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F751607.1070203@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030929005131.E25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309290732.32636.fedora@warmcat.com> On Monday 29 September 2003 05:51, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Craig Ringer (craig at postnewspapers.com.au) said: > > It would not be at all difficult to have the hardware auto-detect > > happen quite transparently, just as if it were off the CD - just > > do it during firstboot. You could always re-run the same > > detection later, too, as a nice bonus. > > Technically, that's a shade late, unless you're restarting portions > of the initscripts afterwards. :) If initscripts are the main issue, maybe a reworking along the lines of the make-based thing mentioned on Slashdot could kill two birds with the one stone (the second unfortunate bird being boot time): http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/18/224207&mode=thread&tid=106&tid=136&tid=185&tid=187 In this kind of structure a rerun of 'the initscripts' would just do the differential actions needed considering the change in machine state, if any. -Andy From Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de Mon Sep 29 06:36:04 2003 From: Rainer.Hattenhauer at t-online.de (Rainer Hattenhauer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:36:04 +0200 Subject: ext3fs crash Message-ID: <001401c38653$fad5f7c0$152ea8c0@august> Hello Gordon, >Boot into single user mode, make sure that the filesystem is mounted >read-only (mount / -o remount,ro), and then force an fsck using Fedora's >fsck (fsck.ext3 -f /dev/). >Afterward, you can use 'tune2fs -l' to see whether or not the device >still has its journal. Everything done, worked so far. I booted up using linux rescue from fedora core CD 1, mounted my device /dev/hdf8 ro, did a chroot and went through fsck.ext3 -f /dev/hdf8 and tune2fs -l /dev/hdf8. The filesystem is o.k., and the journal is still avilable. But after reboot, the bootmessage (using ext2fs instead of ext3fs) still remains. Could it be possible that the problem is due to fetching the old ram image via initrd ? I'm using grub from a SuSE installation, and there I need to define a location for a initrd / image.gz. (Sorry for my stupid descriptions, I'm not so familiar with that kind of boot algorithms using initrd) How can I create a new ramdisk-image for a fresh boot up, perhaps thats the problem (?) BTW: the process I want to get rid of before the crash was prelink, which is automatically started by cron.daily. Takes to much time and is very CPU-consuming (as an idle process), I noticed it yesterday on my laptop where I did a fedora test2 install too, by now, there are no problems with the laptop. And sorry again for my naive descriptions Rainer From mitr at volny.cz Mon Sep 29 06:42:28 2003 From: mitr at volny.cz (Miloslav Trmac) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:42:28 +0200 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F775B67.6000207@tmsusa.com> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <200309281242.21281.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F76D1DA.3010406@eburg.com> <200309281737.43386.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F775B67.6000207@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <20030929064228.GA15712@popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 03:06:31PM -0700, Joe wrote: > Did sendmail change? Back when I was using it, you didn't need the > daemon to be running in order to invoke sendmail for outgoing messages. Yes, it changed at the same time it stopped being setuid root. Mirek From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Mon Sep 29 06:46:27 2003 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:46:27 -0500 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <1064815594.25524.5.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> References: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> <1064815594.25524.5.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <1064817987.18116.7.camel@ByteEnable> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 01:06, Dax Kelson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 18:20, Nick Marsh wrote: > > Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. > > > > > > hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 > > hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command > > This is the smartd daemon (started at boot time) checking your CDROM > drive's S.M.A.R.T. status. > > S.M.A.R.T. only applies to hard drives, hence the (annoying) error > message. > > The culprit is the "DEVICESCAN" in your /etc/smartd.conf file. > > You can't simply remove it though, since then the other example lines > will be used. > > My solution (since I only have one IDE hard disk) is to modify my > /etc/smartd.conf file to *only* have the following two lines: > > # First (primary) ATA/IDE hard disk. Monitor all attributes > /dev/hda -a -m dax at gurulabs.com > > I'm CCing those those well intentioned people who responded to your > message as well so they will know the true cause of this. > > Dax Kelson > Guru Labs Well, I do not get those errors on my system. Byte From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Sep 29 07:34:55 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:34:55 +0400 Subject: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing Message-ID: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> Hi all, Nice fresh installation of Fedora, latest Acrobat Reader 5.0.8, crashing like so: [user at host dir]$ ./acroread Warning: charset "UTF-8" not supported, using "ISO8859-1". Aborted Any ideas? thanks Sean Craig From jos at xos.nl Mon Sep 29 07:33:18 2003 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:33:18 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing In-Reply-To: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com>; from seanc@tech-access.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:34:55AM +0400 References: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <20030929093318.A30501@xos037.xos.nl> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:34:55AM +0400, Sean Craig wrote: > [user at host dir]$ ./acroread > Warning: charset "UTF-8" not supported, using "ISO8859-1". > Aborted > > Any ideas? Try: LANG=C ./acroread Cheers, -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From terraformers at gmx.net Mon Sep 29 07:40:21 2003 From: terraformers at gmx.net (lars) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:40:21 +0200 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x Message-ID: <200309290940.21382.terraformers@gmx.net> a7n8x works like a champ with fedora (and rh9) here. it is a little picky with memory dimms so. had to replace 2 sticks of 512mb infineon ddr400 with samsung and its 100% stable now. an extensive forum for the nforce and linux is located here http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=29 best lars From barryn at pobox.com Mon Sep 29 07:43:28 2003 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:43:28 -0700 Subject: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing In-Reply-To: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> References: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <20030929074328.GA17030@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:34:55AM +0400, Sean Craig wrote: > [user at host dir]$ ./acroread > Warning: charset "UTF-8" not supported, using "ISO8859-1". > Aborted Try something like: [user at host dir]$ LANG=C ./acroread Does that work? (I haven't installed the Fedora Core test on any of my systems yet, so this is just an educated guess.) -Barry K. Nathan From seanc at tech-access.com Mon Sep 29 08:03:53 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:03:53 +0400 Subject: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing In-Reply-To: <20030929074328.GA17030@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> <20030929074328.GA17030@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F77E769.4050201@tech-access.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtlegbandt at earthlink.net Mon Sep 29 09:04:47 2003 From: jtlegbandt at earthlink.net (Joshua Legbandt) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:04:47 -0700 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064826287.19239.4.camel@suburbia> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 22:36, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Stephen Moore (stephen at skmoore.com) said: > > How do you get ACPI modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? > > Add them to /etc/rc.modules, /etc/rc.local, write your own init script, > etc. Code will be added to do this in rc.sysinit in the next build of > initscripts. I added the following to my rc.local so that I can load modules from either 2.4 or 2.6: kern_maj_ver=`/bin/uname -r | /bin/awk -F. '{print $2}'` kern_ver=`/bin/uname -r` if [ "$kern_maj_ver" = "6" ] then /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/$kern_ver/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/$kern_ver/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/$kern_ver/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/$kern_ver/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.ko fi if [ "$kern_maj_ver" = "4" ] then /sbin/insmod ac /sbin/insmod battery /sbin/insmod fan /sbin/insmod processor /sbin/insmod thermal fi Thinking about it further, I was going to write an initscript that detected whether acpi=on was passed to the kernel via grub and then load the appropraite acpi modules for my system. I would think that an initscript that could be turned off via chkconfig would be the best way to go, but I'm not expert... -josh -- Joshua Legbandt From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Sep 29 09:06:02 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:06:02 +0200 Subject: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing In-Reply-To: <3F77E769.4050201@tech-access.com> References: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> <20030929074328.GA17030@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F77E769.4050201@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <3F77F5FA.30903@gmx.de> Sean Craig wrote: > worked like charm. > > Rather than muck about with ~/.bash_profile and risk breaking > something else, I put the following in a script file: > > LANG=C /full/path/to/acroread $1 hi, an other solution can you find here: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/phoebe-list/2003-February/msg01457.html > Warning: charset "UTF-8" not supported, using "ISO8859-1". One way to get it to work is to edit /usr/local/Acrobat5/bin/acroread and add near the beginning of the file (i.e., just after the "ver" and "install" lines): LANG=en_us export LANG -- shrek-m From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Mon Sep 29 10:59:00 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:59:00 +0800 Subject: 0.94 first impressions In-Reply-To: <20030929005131.E25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F751607.1070203@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030929005131.E25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F781074.3030204@postnewspapers.com.au> >>It would not be at all difficult to have the hardware auto-detect happen >>quite transparently, just as if it were off the CD - just do it during >>firstboot. You could always re-run the same detection later, too, as a >>nice bonus. > > Technically, that's a shade late, unless you're restarting portions > of the initscripts afterwards. :) Sorry, I should've been clearer. I meant that hardware could be detected /early/ in the first boot, not at the user "firstboot" screen. Craig Ringer From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Mon Sep 29 11:07:00 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:07:00 +0800 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <20030929005442.F25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F75290E.669CF77D@kahealani.com> <3F752B5C.3090504@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030929005442.F25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F781254.2020104@postnewspapers.com.au> >>For this reason, I'm quite interested in the possibility, in future, of >>integrating a parellised rcS/run-parts to allow the execution of >>multiple non-interdependent boot processes at the same time. This would >>be especially handy when one is waiting on disk I/O while another is >>thrashing the CPU, etc. > > The problem is that then *all* your parallel processes will most likely > be waiting on disk I/O, then. :) True. OTOH, especially with nice things like TCQ-capable SATA disks on the horizon, that might not be such a bad thing. It'd be an interesting thing to try out ... I might have a fiddle and see what happens. Craig Ringer From matthias at rpmforge.net Mon Sep 29 11:17:38 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:17:38 +0200 Subject: Extra packages for Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030929131738.53de6378.matthias@rpmforge.net> Jim Drabb wrote : > Ok, I am missing Red Hat 9 already : ( > I miss all the extra packages I could install from fedora and sometimes > from freshrpms and DAG. Recompiling all the srpms is taking ages. What > is everyone else doing? Well, for freshrpms.net packages, just use the RHL9 ones, nearly all should work just fine. For the few problematic ones (currently dependency-wise), you'll need a manual download from here : http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/rawhide/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030923 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.09 0.19 0.23 From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Mon Sep 29 11:22:19 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:22:19 +0800 Subject: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing In-Reply-To: <3F77F5FA.30903@gmx.de> References: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> <20030929074328.GA17030@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F77E769.4050201@tech-access.com> <3F77F5FA.30903@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F7815EB.5020000@postnewspapers.com.au> > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/phoebe-list/2003-February/msg01457.html > > > > > Warning: charset "UTF-8" not supported, using "ISO8859-1". > > One way to get it to work is to edit /usr/local/Acrobat5/bin/acroread > and add near the beginning of the file (i.e., just after the "ver" and > "install" lines): > > LANG=en_us > export LANG This is the way to go, since it works system-wide. The long-term solution is for Adobe to FIX ACROREAD - either so that it doesn't crash on utf8 locales, or at least so that it's shipped to reset the locale before launching. They've had a KB article on this issue since at least 5.0.5 :-( Craig Ringer From nmarsh1 at mac.com Mon Sep 29 11:24:33 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nicholas Marsh) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:24:33 -0500 Subject: totem Message-ID: <7FFB75E1-F26F-11D7-B558-000393714C2E@mac.com> Why was this not included in Fedora? Does it have questionable code? nick marsh From nmarsh1 at mac.com Mon Sep 29 11:27:35 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nicholas Marsh) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:27:35 -0500 Subject: Samba problems Message-ID: Every resource I access with samba requires a password multiple times. For example if I copy a folder to my Ferdora box that has 13 files in it, I get prompted for my password 13 times. Very annoying. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! nick marsh From nbecker at hns.com Mon Sep 29 11:38:40 2003 From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:38:40 -0400 Subject: 2.6test5 lockup at ps2 mice Message-ID: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> I am trying 2.6test5 kernel on beta2. It locks solid at the kernel startup, at a line saying something about ps2 mice. From matthias at rpmforge.net Mon Sep 29 11:43:32 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:43:32 +0200 Subject: totem In-Reply-To: <7FFB75E1-F26F-11D7-B558-000393714C2E@mac.com> References: <7FFB75E1-F26F-11D7-B558-000393714C2E@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030929134332.579e9e5f.matthias@rpmforge.net> Nicholas Marsh wrote : > Why was this not included in Fedora? Does it have questionable code? I don't think it couldn't be included, but as there is no MPEG, DivX etc. support by default in the gstreamer shipped, having totem would seem quite pointless :-/ Not to mention users complaining about "the media player not working" :-( Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030923 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.46 0.25 0.20 From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Sep 29 11:43:58 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:43:58 +0200 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository In-Reply-To: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> References: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20030929134358.64608c79.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:30:55 -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I would like to start picking up add-on packages, for example from > freshrpms.net or livna.org. I'd prefer to stick to the apt access. > However, I don't see apt packages on fedora.us, freshrpms.net, or > livna.org for .94. Can I use the package of .93? Does freshrpms.net have > repos for either beta? I couldn't find them if so. > > Does anyone know what to put in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to get > up2date to pick up the add-ons from either repository? livna.org: http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt fedora.us: the path hasn't changed, only the release version may need to be adjusted to 0.94 in case you have it hardcoded - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/eBr+0iMVcrivHFQRAicqAJ919yyZgoeL8aLTi+OVo8/xR4EDkgCgg7Y5 ZNC79k3s270XZn/l/0pZQeo= =7sbZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Mon Sep 29 11:46:39 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:46:39 +0200 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository In-Reply-To: <20030929134358.64608c79.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> <20030929134358.64608c79.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20030929134639.2450d67b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:43:58 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:30:55 -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > > I would like to start picking up add-on packages, for example from > > freshrpms.net or livna.org. I'd prefer to stick to the apt access. > > However, I don't see apt packages on fedora.us, freshrpms.net, or > > livna.org for .94. Can I use the package of .93? Does freshrpms.net have > > repos for either beta? I couldn't find them if so. > > > > Does anyone know what to put in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to get > > up2date to pick up the add-ons from either repository? > > livna.org: http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt > > fedora.us: the path hasn't changed, only the release version > may need to be adjusted to 0.94 in case you have it hardcoded Seems I misunderstood your mail. Apt and Synaptic have not been rebuilt for 0.94 yet. The 9.0.93 versions should install and work. If not, you'll find out. ;) - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/eBuf0iMVcrivHFQRAneNAJ42PyZud+NF1jSDj9WsdcLNkhrergCdHyuT XKz2vrjGzdaD4fAN0HMacrs= =FPxo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From davej at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 11:48:40 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:48:40 +0100 Subject: 2.6test5 lockup at ps2 mice In-Reply-To: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <20030929114840.GA22437@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:38:40AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I am trying 2.6test5 kernel on beta2. It locks solid at the kernel startup, > at a line saying something about ps2 mice. Try booting with "acpi=on" or "acpi=on pci=noacpi" Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From dale_kosan at fastmail.fm Mon Sep 29 12:02:06 2003 From: dale_kosan at fastmail.fm (Dale Kosan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:02:06 -0400 Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x References: <3F771AAD.9080903@bothner.com> Message-ID: <065e01c38681$80a7f560$6400a8c0@gandalf> Subject: can't install on asus a7n8x > I rather optimistically bought an Asus a7n8x Deluxe > motherboard (with the Nvidia nForce2 chipset), along with > an Athlon XP 2600+, and tried to install Severn2. Multiple > times. Each time it got partway into installing packages and > then a kernel panic or freeze. I have the same board here and it works great, 9 and severn beta #2. One question though, I downloaded the iso's that were modified on September 24 but it still shows up as the old beta 93 not 94, what gives? Do I have the latest or not? From grant at tuins.ac.jp Mon Sep 29 12:41:59 2003 From: grant at tuins.ac.jp (rg) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:41:59 +0900 Subject: sound-juicer mp3 support In-Reply-To: <20030929012608.M25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F746EC5.31031.579BE0@localhost> <3F75CE46.28825.69DA0E@localhost> <3F7668A0.8050002@tuins.ac.jp> <20030929012608.M25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F782897.8000806@tuins.ac.jp> Bill Nottingham wrote: >rg (grant at tuins.ac.jp) said: > > >>I know RH's policy on mp3 support, but with Grip it was possible to >>install LAME or such to provide it in order to rip mp3s. How about with >>sound-juicer? >> >> > >You'll need the support for gstreamer. > >Bill > What and where would be the appropriate support files? RG > > From felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org Mon Sep 29 12:58:31 2003 From: felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org (Felipe Alfaro Solana) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:58:31 +0200 Subject: 2.6test5 lockup at ps2 mice In-Reply-To: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> References: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> Message-ID: <1064840310.3970.0.camel@teapot.felipe-alfaro.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:38, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I am trying 2.6test5 kernel on beta2. It locks solid at the kernel startup, > at a line saying something about ps2 mice. http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1123 From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Sep 29 13:28:25 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:28:25 -0600 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064808928.5105.0.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <1064791568.6250.4.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1064808928.5105.0.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <1064842104.18219.29.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 22:15, Dax Kelson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:26, Gerry Tool wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:04, Jim Drabb wrote: > > > Is anyone else having problems with evolution-1.4.4-7 using Fedora Core > > > release 0.94 (Severn)? It just hangs on me all the time, I have not be > > > able to use it at all. > > > > I had those problems the first day test2 was installed. Then it settled > > down, and the only thing I did was copy over my contacts folder from > > RHL9. Has been rock solid since then. > > This basically mirrors my experience. The first day installed test2 I > had many hangs. > > But, Evolution has been rock solid ever since. > I thought the same, but then realized XE was "rock solid" because I wasn't using the calendar function like I was at the beginning. Rather, I was only using the mail client part. Try using the calendar and contacts functions, then switch back to the in-box. XE will then hang on exit almost every time! This makes sense to me because I have also noticed that XE will not automatically remember that alarmed calendar dates have already been alarmed when backing up and restoring the evolution folder. After it has gone through all of the old dates, this function apparently isn't called anymore. The killev function will clean it up though. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From bkoz at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 13:53:28 2003 From: bkoz at redhat.com (Benjamin Kosnik) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:53:28 -0500 Subject: beta 1 laptop install and fix In-Reply-To: <1064609435.6060.18.camel@opus> References: <1064605693.16707.58.camel@poincare.devel.redhat.com> <20030926154436.1519b031.bkoz@redhat.com> <1064609435.6060.18.camel@opus> Message-ID: <20030929085328.64d68f7f.bkoz@redhat.com> >umm - they're in the distro. >bitstream-vera-fonts So right you are. Now that I've installed the beta I see this. Thanks! -benjamin From thacker at math.cornell.edu Mon Sep 29 13:58:22 2003 From: thacker at math.cornell.edu (John Alexander Thacker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:58:22 -0400 Subject: totem In-Reply-To: <20030929134332.579e9e5f.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <7FFB75E1-F26F-11D7-B558-000393714C2E@mac.com> <20030929134332.579e9e5f.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <20030929135822.GA5424@thacker.dyndns.org> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 01:43:32PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > Nicholas Marsh wrote : > > > Why was this not included in Fedora? Does it have questionable code? > > I don't think it couldn't be included, but as there is no MPEG, DivX etc. > support by default in the gstreamer shipped, having totem would seem quite > pointless :-/ Not to mention users complaining about "the media player not > working" :-( True. Speaking of which, I hope that you, and/or whoever is making the rpms at rpm.livna.org, make a gstreamer-plugins-missing package, or something similar, that contains the plugins removed from Fedora, similar to the xmms-mp3 packages. (No offense intended, but I hope it's not Dag that hosts the packages, since my download rate from his site is nonexistent.) John Thacker From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Sep 29 14:16:49 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:16:49 -0700 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository In-Reply-To: <20030929134639.2450d67b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> <20030929134358.64608c79.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <20030929134639.2450d67b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1064845009.3f783ed19ebad@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> Ok, I installed the 9.0.93 APT package, and corrected the fedora URL to 0.93 instead of 9.0.93. Then I added the path for livna.org. That's all working. However, apt-get upgrade complains about some macromedia stable repo. It's no in my /etc/apt/sources file, and is being picked up from fedora.us somewhere, as I saw it before adding livna.org to my sources. Doesn't seem to be affecting anything though. So I should benow be able to stay current with patches using apt or up2date, right? Are there any apt applets like the rhn-applet? I think RHN/up2date is great, but since I can't see myself paying, I'd like to have an alternative that won't involve me using Red Hat's network resources without paying for them. (Since the main reason for the whole reorganization seems to be supporting the free RHL product was costing too much money, I'll leave the RHN network to the paying customers) Quoting Michael Schwendt : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:43:58 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:30:55 -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > > > > I would like to start picking up add-on packages, for example from > > > freshrpms.net or livna.org. I'd prefer to stick to the apt access. > > > However, I don't see apt packages on fedora.us, freshrpms.net, or > > > livna.org for .94. Can I use the package of .93? Does freshrpms.net have > > > > repos for either beta? I couldn't find them if so. > > > > > > Does anyone know what to put in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to get > > > up2date to pick up the add-ons from either repository? > > > > livna.org: http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt > > > > fedora.us: the path hasn't changed, only the release version > > may need to be adjusted to 0.94 in case you have it hardcoded > > Seems I misunderstood your mail. Apt and Synaptic have not > been rebuilt for 0.94 yet. The 9.0.93 versions should install > and work. If not, you'll find out. ;) > > - -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/eBuf0iMVcrivHFQRAneNAJ42PyZud+NF1jSDj9WsdcLNkhrergCdHyuT > XKz2vrjGzdaD4fAN0HMacrs= > =FPxo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fenlason at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 14:37:53 2003 From: fenlason at redhat.com (Jay Fenlason) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:37:53 -0400 Subject: problems with samba 3 In-Reply-To: <002101c3858a$492a8410$152ea8c0@august> References: <002101c3858a$492a8410$152ea8c0@august> Message-ID: <20030929143753.GC8577@redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 08:32:13AM +0200, Rainer Hattenhauer wrote: > >Did you try the SignOrSeal registry fix on the XP box? I'm not sure > >if it's still required with Samba 3.0, but trying it can't hurt. . . > > I can't imagine that this is the point: the connection to XP with samba > worked well with RH9 / old samba 2.x, so I think something has changed on > the samba / linux side, pointing towards a configuration problem of the new > samba 3. Well, the obvious thing to do is to open a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com and attach both your 2.2.7 Samba configuration file and your 3.0.0 one. That way I have a chance of being able to reproduce the problem here. > Perhaps the problem will be solved when the peole will try to fix > redhat-config-samba, which is not working properly in my case. See if someone's already opened a bug report on it, and if not, open one. Unreported bugs seldom get fixed. :-( -- JF From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Sep 29 14:39:31 2003 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:39:31 +0100 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository In-Reply-To: <1064845009.3f783ed19ebad@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> References: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> <20030929134639.2450d67b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1064845009.3f783ed19ebad@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <200309291539.31811.fedora@warmcat.com> On Monday 29 September 2003 15:16, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I think RHN/up2date is great, but since I can't see myself paying, > I'd like to have an alternative that won't involve me using Red > Hat's network resources without paying for them. (Since the main > reason for the whole reorganization seems to be supporting the free > RHL product was costing too much money, I'll leave the RHN network > to the paying customers) Hi Justin - I made a script which does a similar job to up2date, using the distributed Redhat FTP mirrors to automatically fetch, confirm signature on, and install updated packages. People have tested it with RH7.3 thru 9. It also supports creation and syncing of local mirrors if you have multiple client machines, you can elect one to mirror the FTP site and point the others to the local machine. It emails reports from the client machines on update. http://warmcat.com/up3date As soon as there is an entry for Fedora in the updates directory of the FTP mirrors it should work with Fedora too. Since its just a cron-nable script rather than a GUI app I doubt it will cause the downfall of Redhat :-O, but some admins are already finding it useful to avoid 'Survey fatigue'. -Andy From vid at linuxpowered.com Mon Sep 29 14:40:10 2003 From: vid at linuxpowered.com (Vidyut Luther) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:40:10 -0500 Subject: Fedora Test 2, DHCP Message-ID: <1064846410.4119.5.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> Hello all, I've been playing with Test 2 all weekend, looking at the emails on the list and doing what all was suggested, so far things work, so nothing extremely new to report. My problem with the firewire drive still exists, Ben Hsu's, rescan-scsi-bus.sh script solution works like a charm. A new problem I've encountered now, is DHCP/Internet connectivity problems. Prior to Test 2, I would get a DHCP connection from my cable modem, which would assign the ip, and voila, i'd be surfing the net like a happy camper. I could do this for 3-4 days on end, usually after which i would turn the computer off, or reboot into windows for some games.. either way.. now, after a few hrs, I seem to lose my gw, or something, as route takes forever to finish, and if I do a service network restart, things start working again immediately. I'm in San Antonio, I haven't tested this time out issue with windows, I just left for work so I've left the computer on in Windows bootup, letseee if it loses it's ip/gateway information there.. if so, then I know it's a time warner problem.. otherwise it might be a Test 2 problem. If it is.. does anyone know what could be causing this ? Some sort of power management ? turns network card off ?. I'm using 3c509 card. From pmatilai at welho.com Mon Sep 29 14:47:00 2003 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:47:00 +0300 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository In-Reply-To: <1064845009.3f783ed19ebad@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> References: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> <20030929134358.64608c79.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <20030929134639.2450d67b.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1064845009.3f783ed19ebad@webmail.mars.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <1064846820.3f7845e48209b@webmail.welho.com> Quoting Justin Georgeson : > Ok, I installed the 9.0.93 APT package, and corrected the fedora URL to > 0.93 > instead of 9.0.93. Then I added the path for livna.org. That's all working. > However, apt-get upgrade complains about some macromedia stable repo. It's no > in > my /etc/apt/sources file, and is being picked up from fedora.us somewhere, as > I > saw it before adding livna.org to my sources. Doesn't seem to be affecting > anything though. Check out /etc/apt/sources.list.d/macromedia.list > So I should benow be able to stay current with patches using apt or > up2date, right? Are there any apt applets like the rhn-applet? There was a preview of "apt-watch" applet announced on Debian-devel last year but the project seems to be dead. -- - Panu - From fenlason at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 15:14:09 2003 From: fenlason at redhat.com (Jay Fenlason) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:14:09 -0400 Subject: Samba problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030929151409.GD8577@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 06:27:35AM -0500, Nicholas Marsh wrote: > Every resource I access with samba requires a password multiple times. > For example if I copy a folder to my Ferdora box that has 13 files in > it, I get prompted for my password 13 times. Very annoying. > > Any idea what I'm doing wrong? If you're using unencrypted passwords, that's a known problem with Windows--it doesn't cache the password, so it needs to re-ask every time it needs it. The only workaround is to enable one-or-more of the encrypted password types. If you aren't using plaintext passwords, you'll need to provide more information for me to have a chance of reproducing the problem. Open a bug report at bugzilla.redhat.com and attach a copy of your /etc/samba/smb.conf file and a description of your network topology (workgroup, domain, etc) and a description of your client machine (OS, Service Pack, etc). -- JF From msf at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 15:26:57 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:26:57 -0400 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <20030927144041.GA7216@ee.oulu.fi> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064615999.22268.45.camel@locutus> <20030927144041.GA7216@ee.oulu.fi> Message-ID: <1064849217.1771.16.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 10:40, Pekka Pietikainen wrote: > Ideally people who want a minimal firewall and people who want 4 gigs of > graphical gizmos have the same set of packages on the harddrive when > the machine first boots, the former just doesn't install anything else. > It gets a bit tricky if you want to leave out X11 etc. though, > firstboot for typical users should run in X, but it should be possible > to do similar things in text mode too :-) If you put a comps file on a floppy and run anaconda with 'linux updates' we use the comps file instead of ours. Create your own install class and package groups and have fun. Make it as small as you like (though I would keep the 'Core' group as is or post-install anaconda will fail because we need some apps). Looking at the sources for anaconda you ought to be able to see how the 'Personal Desktop' and 'Server' options work and go from there. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From chrisw01 at privatei.com Mon Sep 29 15:27:28 2003 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:27:28 -0600 Subject: Samba problems In-Reply-To: <20030929151409.GD8577@redhat.com> References: <20030929151409.GD8577@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064849248.21644.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 09:14, Jay Fenlason wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 06:27:35AM -0500, Nicholas Marsh wrote: > > Every resource I access with samba requires a password multiple times. > > For example if I copy a folder to my Ferdora box that has 13 files in > > it, I get prompted for my password 13 times. Very annoying. > > > > Any idea what I'm doing wrong? > > If you're using unencrypted passwords, that's a known problem with > Windows--it doesn't cache the password, so it needs to re-ask every > time it needs it. The only workaround is to enable one-or-more of the > encrypted password types. I've noticed the same behavior - could it be gnome-vfs is sending unencrypted passwords? In my case, I'm trying to connect to a Windows XP share running in a VMware session on the same machine. Is there a way to make Nautilus (I'm assuming via gnome-vfs) send encrypted passwords if it isn't? Also, in my case, I am simply unable to connect from that Windows XP VM to the samba shares I have set up on my Samba enabled system (the host OS). I tried uninstalling samba, but can't due to dependency issues with kde-base. I wanted to see if the final samba 3.0 from samba.org would work. Yes I do know that the Red Hat RPM from samba.org is different - I was going to uninstall samba, samba-common, samba-client and samba-swat (which also doesn't work, BTW), but didn't bother trying because of the dependency issues. I will be glad to bugzilla this if it's not there already. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom From marguz at ameritech.net Mon Sep 29 15:29:34 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:29:34 -0500 Subject: Hard Drive Install help :-( Message-ID: <1064849374.2718.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Hello all, I'm trying (for the first time) to install Severn2 from the hard drive. Now I've read the install docs for both Red Hat 8 and Red Hat 9 and they both say something different. RH8: for example, if the ISO images are in /test/new/RedHat, you would enter /test/new RH9: for example, if the ISO images are in /test/new, you would enter /test/new I've tried it both ways and I still get the error that no RedHat images can be found on /dev/hda5. Can someone please give a little more info as to how to do this. TIA Mark From joe at tmsusa.com Mon Sep 29 15:34:16 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:34:16 -0700 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <1064815594.25524.5.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> References: <5950185.1064794833750.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> <1064815594.25524.5.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <3F7850F8.5050708@tmsusa.com> Dax Kelson wrote: >My solution (since I only have one IDE hard disk) is to modify my >/etc/smartd.conf file to *only* have the following two lines: > ># First (primary) ATA/IDE hard disk. Monitor all attributes >/dev/hda -a -m dax at gurulabs.com > >I'm CCing those those well intentioned people who responded to your >message as well so they will know the true cause of this. > > Thanks Dax, that's a useful tip - Joe From stevewa at spiritone.com Mon Sep 29 15:35:13 2003 From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:35:13 -0700 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <20030929110402.29420.68427.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030929110402.29420.68427.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F785131.1060107@spiritone.com> Nick Marsh wrote: >> > Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. >> > >> > >> > hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } >> > hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 >> > hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } >> > hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command > Got a CD-ROM or CD-RW on those devices? I was puzzled by those errors too (also happens on RH9 if you enable smartd) and they only happen when you have a removable device with no medium in it... From joe at tmsusa.com Mon Sep 29 15:38:28 2003 From: joe at tmsusa.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:38:28 -0700 Subject: Extra packages for Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20030929131738.53de6378.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <3F77424F.8060408@tampabay.rr.com> <20030929131738.53de6378.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <3F7851F4.3010204@tmsusa.com> Matthias Saou wrote: >Jim Drabb wrote : > > > >>Ok, I am missing Red Hat 9 already : ( >>I miss all the extra packages I could install from fedora and sometimes >>from freshrpms and DAG. Recompiling all the srpms is taking ages. What >>is everyone else doing? >> >> > >Well, for freshrpms.net packages, just use the RHL9 ones, nearly all should >work just fine. For the few problematic ones (currently dependency-wise), >you'll need a manual download from here : > >http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat/rawhide/ > > Indeed, I just updated my fedora box with mostly shrike 386 packages from freshrpms - things like mplayer are working fine here. I did rebuild a source rpm of tvtime, but that may not even have been neccessary. Joe From ted at cypress.com Mon Sep 29 15:41:17 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:41:17 -0500 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F78529D.70005@cypress.com> Stephen Smoogen wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > >>>Unfortunately, the complexity that attracted you to Enlightenment is the >>>same complexity that scares less technically inclined users away. >> >>It's unfortunate that complexity scares people. But I don't buy it. They >>by very complex devices, that they have no idea about. Look at a car. >>They have some very complex systems. If you want you cna modify them to >>behave in different ways. But you can still use the default setup and >>just ignore all the complexity. The average driver doesn't even change >>the oil anymore, but the ability to change the internals of the engine >>is still there. >> > > > You need to do a month taking support phone calls. You will quickly > learn that cars and computers are very different to most people. People I'd love to hear some of the issues. Most non technical users I know, wouldn't touch the settings, or dare tinker. So whatever the default is, they stick with. Look how many Windoze user change the default install directory for an app, or rearrange the "Start" menu. > get in cars and only really care about the speedometer, the gas gauge > and the red lights, the rest of the eye candy that designers put in they > ignore. On computers they dont know what parts are the important ones > and so they dont ignore any of the eye candy and get very confused and > angry. > You didnt take RH support phone calls did you? You only see what people > post to mailing lists and those people are usually technically in the Again, transcripts of some calls would be interesting. > an editor up. Until there are universal computer licenses required > before you can drive the 'Information SuperHighway', I doubt that will That's the first sensible idea I've heard yet :) -Thomas From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Mon Sep 29 15:51:56 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:51:56 +0200 Subject: Gstreamer and xmms Message-ID: <000001c386a1$9c491e00$196d9e89@pegasus> Is there any way I can make xmms use Gstreamer for its input. That way I would only have to worry about keeping up to date with Gstreamer plugins. And also, does anyone else have problems with playback of some mp3 files using gstreamer. Some of my mp3s say media type not found or some other error messages. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 29 15:55:12 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:55:12 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: using "firstboot" for further SW installation Message-ID: <20395713.1064850912901.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> from a previous posting, i recall the proposal of using the initial install to do a "minimal"install, then using "firstboot" to further configure/install. would this have any implications for estimating space usage that you can do now? at the moment, when i install, i can get an estimate of how large to make the /usr filesystem by selecting "Everything", even if i only plan on installing a subset of the packages. doing that at least tells me how much space i might need later if i decide to add everything i left out. how would leaving additional installation until firstboot affect this? or would it? rday From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 29 15:25:35 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:25:35 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064842104.18219.29.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <1064808928.5105.0.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> <1064842104.18219.29.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200309291125.35400.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 29, 2003 09:28 am, Christopher A. Williams <"Christopher A. Williams" > wrote: > using the calendar function like I was at the beginning. Rather, > I was only using the mail client part. Try using the calendar and > contacts functions, then switch back to the in-box. XE will then hang on > exit almost every time! Just tried it and I can confirm it happens on my box, also. Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From pcompton at proteinmedia.com Mon Sep 29 16:08:12 2003 From: pcompton at proteinmedia.com (Phillip Compton) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:08:12 -0400 Subject: Gstreamer and xmms In-Reply-To: <000001c386a1$9c491e00$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <000001c386a1$9c491e00$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <1064851692.4069.0.camel@GreenTea> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 11:51, Maynard Kuona wrote: > Is there any way I can make xmms use Gstreamer for its input. That way > I would only have to worry about keeping up to date with Gstreamer > plugins. Just use rhythmbox instead. Phil From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 29 16:06:42 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:06:42 -0400 Subject: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing In-Reply-To: <3F77E769.4050201@tech-access.com> References: <3F77E09F.8030108@tech-access.com> <20030929074328.GA17030@ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> <3F77E769.4050201@tech-access.com> Message-ID: <200309291206.42835.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 29, 2003 04:03 am, Sean Craig > wrote: > ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:00:39 -0400 Your message header verifies that you are posting in HTML ... > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:03:53 +0400 > From: Sean Craig > Subject: Re: [Fedora Core 9.0.94] - Acrobat Reader 5.0.8 crashing > In-reply-to: <20030929074328.GA17030 at ip68-4-255-84.oc.oc.cox.net> > Sender: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Errors-to: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com > Reply-to: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Message-id: <3F77E769.4050201 at tech-access.com> > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/html; > charset=us-ascii > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Would you kindly *not* post in HTML, please? ... both as a courtesy (to the list) and as a security measure. cheers, Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From yinyang at eburg.com Mon Sep 29 16:35:00 2003 From: yinyang at eburg.com (Gordon Messmer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:35:00 -0700 Subject: more comments on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3F77420C.20103@gmx.de> References: <200309271626.09127.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F762685.8080906@1993.usna.com> <200309272018.22030.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F769998.8000605@gmx.de> <3F76D13F.6090207@eburg.com> <3F77420C.20103@gmx.de> Message-ID: <3F785F34.6070606@eburg.com> shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Gordon Messmer wrote: > >> The order of lines in the hosts file doesn't >> matter. > > > and i could bet that the order of lines does matter ;-) > > 192.168.0.100 horseshit > 192.168.0.101 horseshit > 192.168.0.200 bullshit > 192.168.0.201 bullshit Ok, you got me. My phrasing was too strong, when what I really meant was "the order of lines isn't relevant, and won't affect, the problem being discussed". [snip clarification] > thanks for the clarification. > > since rhl 6.x i could always solve the long sendmail startup with > > 127.0.0.1 hostname hostname.localdomain localhost localhost.localdomain > > without "search localdomain" in /etc/resolv.conf Did you have any "search" list? Just curious. I'm not sure when the resolver would try to look up that name, but if it works... :) From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Mon Sep 29 16:49:39 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: 29 Sep 2003 11:49:39 -0500 Subject: subject change Message-ID: <1064854179.1180.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> What are the chances of getting the [listname] feature turned on? Makes it easier to quickly sort email... Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From bfox at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 16:57:38 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:57:38 -0400 Subject: redhat-config-xfree86 and dual head In-Reply-To: <3F74E84A.5020406@mitre.org> References: <200309270942.02490.dennis@ausil.us> <3F74E84A.5020406@mitre.org> Message-ID: <1064854658.23326.2.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 21:30, mark wrote: > Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > >i went to setup dual head on my desktop using redhat-config-xfree86 and got > >the message in the dual head section saying "dual-head stuff will go in here" > >when will the packages that have this functionality be released? there are > >screenshots on fedora.redhat.com of it in action. > > > > > The dual head code is ~ running in the CVS pull here if you're so > adventurous: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/config-tools/redhat-config-xfree86.html Please note that the dual head stuff doesn't completely work right now. I'm working on it. Cheers, Brent From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Mon Sep 29 17:05:42 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:05:42 +0800 Subject: using "firstboot" for further SW installation In-Reply-To: <20395713.1064850912901.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <20395713.1064850912901.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F786666.9030304@postnewspapers.com.au> > at the moment, when i install, i can get an estimate of how large to make > the /usr filesystem by selecting "Everything", even if i only plan on installing > a subset of the packages. doing that at least tells me how much space i might > need later if i decide to add everything i left out. It shouldn't be too hard to make the installer capable of telling you "the total size of all the packages you could install in this Red Hat release is ..." - even in the relnotes should be good enough. Craig Ringer From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 29 16:19:58 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:19:58 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20030928221333.GA3212@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <200309281749.27190.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030928221333.GA3212@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200309291219.58796.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 06:13 pm, John Alexander Thacker > wrote: > Did you run "evolution --force-shutdown" ? That will automatically kill > the evolution-wombat and evolution-alarm-notify child processes. If those > are still alive, then evolution won't load, just as you describe. No, actually, the children were hiding in the background. Once I killed 'em, I was able to restart Evolution. ... and no, I don't practice infanticide! LOL!! Elton ;-) -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From elwoo at videotron.ca Mon Sep 29 16:23:38 2003 From: elwoo at videotron.ca (Elton Woo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:23:38 -0400 Subject: Nvidia drivers (was - Re: why have I lost gedit??? In-Reply-To: <3F771317.2040200@tmsusa.com> References: <886A8B52-F146-11D7-8EF2-000393D35C04@j2solutions.net> <200309281235.52303.elwoo@videotron.ca> <3F771317.2040200@tmsusa.com> Message-ID: <200309291223.38262.elwoo@videotron.ca> On September 28, 2003 12:57 pm, Joe > wrote: > That's odd, saying "export CC=gcc32", then running nvidia-installer > worked fine here (athlon 1100) - had you touched anything in the kernel > source directory? NO. ..anyway, it works with "export IGNORE_ ...", so I best not fiddle around too much... Elton. -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once: let's make life BETTER for each other." LINUX User #193975 [AMD ATHLON CPU] ICQ #149608718. From jeremyp at pobox.com Mon Sep 29 17:52:15 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: subject change In-Reply-To: <1064854179.1180.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 29 Sep 2003, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > What are the chances of getting the [listname] feature turned on? Makes > it easier to quickly sort email... I don't think any of the Red Hat lists use the subject mangling. Instead you should use a system like "procmail" or "maildrop" to sort your mail into different folders. In addition, most GUI mail clients offer mail sorting features, and so do free mail services like Yahoo. It really only takes 5 minutes to set up mail sorting for mailing lists, and it makes reading large amounts of email *SO* much easier. Go for it! --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From shrek-m at gmx.de Mon Sep 29 17:59:27 2003 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:59:27 +0200 Subject: Hard Drive Install help :-( In-Reply-To: <1064849374.2718.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1064849374.2718.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <3F7872FF.5040001@gmx.de> Mark Guzzo wrote: >Hello all, > >I'm trying (for the first time) to install Severn2 from the hard drive. >Now I've read the install docs for both Red Hat 8 and Red Hat 9 and they >both say something different. > >RH8: for example, if the ISO images are in /test/new/RedHat, you would >enter /test/new > >RH9: for example, if the ISO images are in /test/new, you would enter >/test/new > >I've tried it both ways and I still get the error that no RedHat images >can be found on /dev/hda5. Can someone please give a little more info as >to how to do this. > works for me with an external-usb-hdd bootdisk "linux text expert" hd-instal i choose /dev/sda3 fedora1 under redhat it looks like this # ls /mnt/sda3/fedora1/ MD5SUM severn-i386-disc1.iso severn-i386-disc2.iso severn-i386-disc3.iso -- shrek-m From mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com Mon Sep 29 18:15:53 2003 From: mbrodeur+rhlp at NextTime.com (Matt Brodeur) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: subject change In-Reply-To: References: <1064854179.1180.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > What are the chances of getting the [listname] feature turned on? Makes > it easier to quickly sort email... From past experience on all too many mailing lists, I'd say the chances are close to or less than zero. This usually turns into an overly heated debate that eventually leads nowhere. Since you appear to be using Evolution, you could try the vfolders feature. IIRC (it's been a while), you can have vfolder rules on arbitrary headers. For this list I filter (with procmail) on the following header: > X-BeenThere: fedora-test-list at redhat.com - -- Matt Brodeur RHCE MBrodeur at NextTime.com http://www.NextTime.com "All I want out of life is to be a monkey of moderate intelligence who wears a suit. That's why I've decided to transfer to business school!" -- Guenter, "Futurama" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/eHbcc8/WFSz+GKMRAvUpAJ4l6yGyAHoepHQwEngyNdszKVMIhACfTfAu ziL48yltD9B/Sk1jm1R8ODg= =Hjph -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 29 19:08:56 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:08:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? Message-ID: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> perhaps my memory is just going, but did i just overlook where, in the installation, i can select that i just want to boot to runlevel 3? i'm a *real* fan of this, particularly since my first attempt to install fedora hung at trying to run "firstboot". and bypassing firstboot made it clear that trying to startx with this particular make and model of monitor fails miserably. i much prefer to start with runlevel 3, and only switch to 5 once i verify that everything works properly. rday From rjohnson at medata.com Mon Sep 29 19:13:49 2003 From: rjohnson at medata.com (Rick Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:13:49 -0700 Subject: Kernel Compile -- 802.11g Wireless 54Mbps PCMCIA Card In-Reply-To: <3F77907D.5080607@speakeasy.net> References: <3F77907D.5080607@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3F78846D.2010100@medata.com> Robert L Cochran wrote: > Now to find a compatible pcmcia card -- probably the Netgear WG511 or > SMC2835W EZ Connect g 2.4 GHz 54 Mbps Wireless Cardbus Adapter -- and > see if I can get some action when I pop the card in. If the module loads > and I can set up encryption stuff, I'll head over to my Starbucks to > check it out. I'm going to be trying this with a D-Link DWL-G650 card (also Intersil based) today or tomorrow as well, and will be interested in your results. I'll post mine as well. -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - rjohnson at medata.com Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc From katzj at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 19:21:45 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:21:45 -0400 Subject: a feature of anaconda In-Reply-To: <3F779ABB.4080104@speakeasy.net> References: <00BE3CFC-F225-11D7-8403-000A95689082@speakeasy.net> <3F779ABB.4080104@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1064863304.16345.13.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 22:36, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Interesting, that. I didn't know about the 'graphical' option. Thanks. > Would you happen to know how to get mediacheck to work for NFS images? > The release notes claims mediacheck works for NFS, and it did at one > point a few releases ago, but the capbility seems lost now. Should work for NFS ISO installs. Cheers, Jeremy From goeran at uddeborg.se Mon Sep 29 19:32:08 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:32:08 +0200 Subject: mixed Languages/missing Translations in anaconda & firstboot In-Reply-To: <1064702981.3154.17.camel@edoras.local.net> References: <3F75E14D.6000409@muenster.de> <1064702981.3154.17.camel@edoras.local.net> Message-ID: <16248.35000.860744.548353@uebn.uddeborg.se> Christoph Wickert writes: > No translation for "Mountpoint already in use, please choose another > one" Jeremy Katz writes: > Yep, as text changes, the translations get out of date, especially as I > don't know German ;-) > > http://i18n.redhat.com/i18n/ has information on how to sign-up to help > with translations. Is this really the problem in this case? I can't find the exact message Christoph quotes above, but in anaconda-po there is The mount point "%s" is already in use, please choose a different mount point. In redhat-config-kickstart there is a very similar message. Both of these message, DO HAVE up-to-date German translations. It seems the German translators have done their part in these cases. From alikins at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 19:33:06 2003 From: alikins at redhat.com (Adrian Likins) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:33:06 -0400 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository In-Reply-To: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net>; from jgeorgeson@lopht.net on Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:30:55PM -0500 References: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> Message-ID: <20030929153305.B446@redhat.com> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:30:55PM -0500, Justin Georgeson wrote: > I would like to start picking up add-on packages, for example from > freshrpms.net or livna.org. I'd prefer to stick to the apt access. > However, I don't see apt packages on fedora.us, freshrpms.net, or > livna.org for .94. Can I use the package of .93? Does freshrpms.net have > repos for either beta? I couldn't find them if so. > > Does anyone know what to put in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to get > up2date to pick up the add-ons from either repository? Should be a commented out example line in the defaults sources file, something like: apt freshrpms-9-i386 http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386/ updates freshrpms with, the approriate repos and urls and whatnot of course... basically: apt channel-name servername path repo1 repo2 repo2 ... repoN where channel-name is a localy chose name, it doesnt really matter as long as it's unique. Adrian From chuck.price at cox.net Mon Sep 29 19:39:27 2003 From: chuck.price at cox.net (Chuck Price) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:39:27 +0000 Subject: New FC User Message-ID: <1064864367.22987.10.camel@animal> I finally broke down and installed FC2. First time didn't work too well. Mouse didn't move very well and of course the tab key doesn't either. Has anyone had a problem with add software. Mine keeps asking for disk 2. I know the disk is good (MD5 and install both say the media is ok). What was that repo for add-ons. Yeah I suffer from CRS, and the mail got lost somewhere between the backup and the install. Thanks Chuck From marguz at ameritech.net Mon Sep 29 20:00:05 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:00:05 -0500 Subject: Hard Drive Install help :-( In-Reply-To: <1064849374.2718.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> References: <1064849374.2718.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Message-ID: <1064865605.3423.2.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> Never mind, I got it. From mark at mitre.org Mon Sep 29 19:58:27 2003 From: mark at mitre.org (Mark Heslep) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:58:27 -0400 Subject: configuring up2date for apt repository In-Reply-To: <20030929153305.B446@redhat.com> References: <3F77A76F.4080607@lopht.net> <20030929153305.B446@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F788EE3.1050601@mitre.org> Adrian Likins wrote: >>Does anyone know what to put in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to get >>up2date to pick up the add-ons from either repository? >> >> > >Should be a commented out example line in the defaults sources >file, something like: > >apt freshrpms-9-i386 http://ayo.freshrpms.net redhat/9/i386/ updates freshrpms > >with, the approriate repos and urls and whatnot of course... > > >basically: > >apt channel-name servername path repo1 repo2 repo2 ... repoN > >where channel-name is a localy chose name, it doesnt really matter >as long as it's unique. > > >Adrian > > > Is this documented somewhere? And has redhat-config-packages been made smart to play w/ the extra-fedora packages? I dont see anything new in the GUI. -Mark From marguz at ameritech.net Mon Sep 29 20:02:03 2003 From: marguz at ameritech.net (Mark Guzzo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:02:03 -0500 Subject: Hard Drive Install help :-( In-Reply-To: <3F7872FF.5040001@gmx.de> References: <1064849374.2718.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> <3F7872FF.5040001@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1064865723.3423.5.camel@LORDLINUX.global.shsystem.org> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:59, shrek-m at gmx.de wrote: > Mark Guzzo wrote: > > >Hello all, > > > >I'm trying (for the first time) to install Severn2 from the hard drive. > >Now I've read the install docs for both Red Hat 8 and Red Hat 9 and they > >both say something different. > > > >RH8: for example, if the ISO images are in /test/new/RedHat, you would > >enter /test/new > > > >RH9: for example, if the ISO images are in /test/new, you would enter > >/test/new > > > >I've tried it both ways and I still get the error that no RedHat images > >can be found on /dev/hda5. Can someone please give a little more info as > >to how to do this. > > > > works for me with an external-usb-hdd > > bootdisk > "linux text expert" > > hd-instal > > i choose /dev/sda3 > fedora1 > > under redhat it looks like this > > # ls /mnt/sda3/fedora1/ > MD5SUM severn-i386-disc1.iso severn-i386-disc2.iso severn-i386-disc3.iso > > Yea, I was typing in the FULL path like this "/home/marguz". When I found that just typing "marguz" worked fine... Thanks :-) From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Mon Sep 29 20:04:55 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:04:55 +0300 Subject: subject change In-Reply-To: References: <1064854179.1180.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200309292304.55694.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Viestiss? Maanantai 29. Syyskuuta 2003 21:15, Matt Brodeur kirjoitti: > Since you appear to be using Evolution, you could try the vfolders > feature. IIRC (it's been a while), you can have vfolder rules on > arbitrary headers. For this list I filter (with procmail) on the > > following header: > > X-BeenThere: fedora-test-list at redhat.com KMail has automatic creation of filters for mailing lists, it uses the "List-Id:" header. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Mon Sep 29 20:24:43 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:24:43 +0200 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c386c7$b86e0de0$196d9e89@pegasus> I think what you need is to not start the X server on startup. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:09 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? perhaps my memory is just going, but did i just overlook where, in the installation, i can select that i just want to boot to runlevel 3? i'm a *real* fan of this, particularly since my first attempt to install fedora hung at trying to run "firstboot". and bypassing firstboot made it clear that trying to startx with this particular make and model of monitor fails miserably. i much prefer to start with runlevel 3, and only switch to 5 once i verify that everything works properly. rday -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za Mon Sep 29 20:26:53 2003 From: knxmay001 at mail.uct.ac.za (Maynard Kuona) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:26:53 +0200 Subject: Gstreamer and xmms In-Reply-To: <1064851692.4069.0.camel@GreenTea> Message-ID: <000501c386c8$05603c40$196d9e89@pegasus> I have Rhythmbox, but it takes to long to start up. I am keeping a close eye on it though, I wish they could have a nice little database so that it doesn't have to refresh the library every time it starts. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Compton Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:08 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: Gstreamer and xmms On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 11:51, Maynard Kuona wrote: > Is there any way I can make xmms use Gstreamer for its input. That way > I would only have to worry about keeping up to date with Gstreamer > plugins. Just use rhythmbox instead. Phil From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Mon Sep 29 20:27:00 2003 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:27:00 +0300 Subject: New FC User In-Reply-To: <1064864367.22987.10.camel@animal> References: <1064864367.22987.10.camel@animal> Message-ID: <200309292327.00469.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Viestiss? Maanantai 29. Syyskuuta 2003 22:39, Chuck Price kirjoitti: > Has anyone had a problem with add software. Mine keeps asking for disk > 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105767 -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From jsmith at drgutah.com Mon Sep 29 20:30:40 2003 From: jsmith at drgutah.com (Jared Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:30:40 -0600 Subject: why is sox without soxmix In-Reply-To: <20030929012203.K25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F75AB4D.3070204@georgs.org> <20030929012203.K25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064867440.11066.13.camel@banff.drgutah.com> > Acciedntally excluded. It's in bugzilla somewhere. > > Bill Bug # 102499. Patch for the spec file (at least for RH9) included. Jared Smith From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Mon Sep 29 20:36:35 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:36:35 -0500 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? References: <000001c386c7$b86e0de0$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <3F7897D3.90701@lopht.net> Maynard Kuona wrote: > I think what you need is to not start the X server on startup. That's what he's asking about. He didn't see an option to choose text or graphical login at startup. I noticed this too, I didn't get anything at install or firstboot to select the default resolution, which used to be the same place the text/gui login was selected. From wickert at muenster.de Mon Sep 29 20:39:19 2003 From: wickert at muenster.de (Christoph Wickert) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:39:19 +0200 Subject: mixed Languages/missing Translations in anaconda & firstboot In-Reply-To: <16248.35000.860744.548353@uebn.uddeborg.se> References: <3F75E14D.6000409@muenster.de> <1064702981.3154.17.camel@edoras.local.net> <16248.35000.860744.548353@uebn.uddeborg.se> Message-ID: <3F789877.6080403@muenster.de> G?ran Uddeborg wrote: >Christoph Wickert writes: > > >>No translation for "Mountpoint already in use, please choose another >>one" >> >> > >Jeremy Katz writes: > > >>Yep, as text changes, the translations get out of date, especially as I >>don't know German ;-) >> >>http://i18n.redhat.com/i18n/ has information on how to sign-up to help >>with translations. >> Done :-) > >Is this really the problem in this case? I can't find the exact >message Christoph quotes above, but in anaconda-po there is > > The mount point "%s" is already in use, please choose a different > mount point. > Yes, that's the one I meant. >In redhat-config-kickstart there is a very similar message. Both of >these message, DO HAVE up-to-date German translations. > >It seems the German translators have done their part in these cases. > Im not sure bout anaconda, but in firstboot there ARE German translations, at least I've seen them, when I did a German-only installation. Christoph -- "Wenn zu perfekt - Gott b?se." Nam June Paik _______________________________ Christoph Wickert mailto:wickert at muenster.de From derekmeister at mindspring.com Mon Sep 29 20:45:15 2003 From: derekmeister at mindspring.com (Derek Meister) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:45:15 -0400 Subject: What are consequences (the lack of freedom on the USA) In-Reply-To: <3F78529D.70005@cypress.com> References: <3F78529D.70005@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1064868315.14180.12.camel@simplyatomic.simplycosmic.net> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 11:41, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Stephen Smoogen wrote: > I'd love to hear some of the issues. Visit http://rinkworks.com/stupid/ Once you're done reading, consider that many of those calls are commonly received just about every day by telephone tech people. From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 29 20:48:00 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: using "firstboot" for further SW installation In-Reply-To: <3F786666.9030304@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Craig Ringer wrote: > > at the moment, when i install, i can get an estimate of how large to make > > the /usr filesystem by selecting "Everything", even if i only plan on installing > > a subset of the packages. doing that at least tells me how much space i might > > need later if i decide to add everything i left out. > > It shouldn't be too hard to make the installer capable of telling you > "the total size of all the packages you could install in this Red Hat > release is ..." - even in the relnotes should be good enough. oh, i'm sure it isn't. i'm still waffling on what i think of the idea of a minimal install first, and then firstboot taking it from there. i'd just like to avoid the possibility of nasty surprises during firstboot. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 29 20:52:10 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <000001c386c7$b86e0de0$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Maynard Kuona wrote: > I think what you need is to not start the X server on startup. in what way is that different from wanting to specify runlevel 3 during installation? rday From georg at georgs.org Mon Sep 29 20:57:50 2003 From: georg at georgs.org (Georg E Schneider) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:57:50 +0200 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? Message-ID: <3F789CCE.7050709@georgs.org> Robert P. J. Day schrieb: > perhaps my memory is just going, but did i just overlook where, in < > the installation, i can select that i just want to boot to runlevel 3? > i'm a *real* fan of this, particularly since my first attempt > to install fedora > hung at trying to run "firstboot". > > and bypassing firstboot made it clear that trying to startx with this > particular make and model of monitor fails miserably. i much prefer > to start with runlevel 3, and only switch to 5 once i verify that everything > works properly. > > rday > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > If you can get a text-based console or boot up with "linux single" you can edit /etc/inittab thers a line id:5:initdefault: change it to id:3:initdefault: -- 1024D/2CF44148 2003-06-29 Georg E Schneider Key fingerprint = 4F44 9A46 2238 6CFA D271 D09C 235F EFB0 2CF4 4148 From msf at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 21:21:44 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:21:44 -0400 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available Message-ID: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone has taken to test anaconda. We've put together an update image to address some of the issues which have been reported against anaconda. Depending on what kinds of problems pop up we will consider making another update at a later date. Please report any problems with this update to bugzilla, and if the update fixes a problem you reported previously please update that bug report with the new information. The update is available at: http://people.redhat.com/~msf/severn-test2-updates.img Here is the README for the update: (http://people.redhat.com/~msf/severn-test2-updates.readme) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an updates image for Fedora Core Severn Test 2 which corrects problems in the anaconda installer. To use this image use the following command line: dd if=severn-test2-updates.img of=/dev/fd0 to write the image to a floppy disk. The contents of the disk will be destroyed. Then boot the installation media and at the command prompt enter 'linux updates'. At the appropriate time you will be prompted to insert the updates floppy. For other install methods if the severn-test2-updates.img file is renamed to 'updates.img' and put in the RedHat/base/ directory of the install tree it will be used automatically w/o the need to use a floppy disk. -------------------- Update Image Version: 1.0 Issues Addressed: ----------------- - Bugzilla #105586 - kickstart install fails with probed monitor - Bugzilla #105765 - couldn't get past text mode firewall screen if fw enabled - Bugzilla #105811 - text mode upgrade traceback - Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored - Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer shipped) ----------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 21:34:10 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> from "Michael Fulbright" at Med 29, 2003 05:21:44 Message-ID: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > - Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored > - Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer shipped) Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop boards From j.rink at freenet.de Mon Sep 29 15:23:13 2003 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:23:13 +0200 Subject: ks.cfg Message-ID: <20030929172313.1f7f5ef0.j.rink@freenet.de> Hi, until the last beta for redhat severn, i do not see the dhcp hostname option. Is it possible to set the hostname, even if i use dhcp? I mean the in the /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf, or is it only possible to do this voia a post install script? CU J?rn Rink -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From czar at czarc.net Mon Sep 29 21:52:01 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:52:01 -0400 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <3F789CCE.7050709@georgs.org> References: <3F789CCE.7050709@georgs.org> Message-ID: <200309291752.01861.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 29 September 2003 16:57, Georg E Schneider wrote: > If you can get a text-based console or boot up with "linux single" you > can edit /etc/inittab thers a line > > id:5:initdefault: OK, since I had some (my pilot error) problems with this, I have become very familiar with now this works. When you boot up and get the grub prompt to boot the system, type "e". This will bring up a screen with all of the grub lines in it. Position (arrow keys) to the "kernel" line and type "e". You will now be presented with the "kernel" line which you can edit. Add "nogui 3" (I usually place this between "ro" and "root=". Be sure to leave a space between parameters. This are the command line parameters which are passed to /sbin/init and will bring the system up in runlevel 3. Not that firstboot will still run in gui mode by starting X. Note to vmware users: With the new gui boot and gui firstboot, it is useful to first bring things up in single user mode ("nogui single") -- you can then install the vmware stuff for the guest. If you then reboot, the gui stuff such as firstboot will work properly. Gene C. -- From msf at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 21:54:27 2003 From: msf at redhat.com (Michael Fulbright) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:54:27 -0400 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064872467.1771.36.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 17:34, Alan Cox wrote: > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > boards Please bugzilla against grub if it isn't already. It sounds like a grub bug we need to get fixed. Michael Fulbright msf at redhat.com From ted at cypress.com Mon Sep 29 21:57:17 2003 From: ted at cypress.com (Thomas Dodd) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:17 -0500 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>- Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored >>- Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer shipped) > > > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > boards It doesn't work on my FIC SS7 board either. I forget the number, but it's the one w/ 2MB cache. This was filed in bugzilla somewhere for the first RHL that used grub. -Thomas From veillard at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 22:07:14 2003 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:07:14 -0400 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com>; from ted@cypress.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:57:17PM -0500 References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com> Message-ID: <20030929180714.Z21529@redhat.com> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:57:17PM -0500, Thomas Dodd wrote: > > > Alan Cox wrote: > >>- Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored > >>- Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer shipped) > > > > > > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > > boards > > It doesn't work on my FIC SS7 board either. I forget the number, but > it's the one w/ 2MB cache. This was filed in bugzilla somewhere for the > first RHL that used grub. and doesn't work on the rpmfind.net box either, tyan thunder 100 dual-celeron Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From alan at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 22:15:18 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064872467.1771.36.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> from "Michael Fulbright" at Med 29, 2003 05:54:27 Message-ID: <200309292215.h8TMFIh25298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 17:34, Alan Cox wrote: > > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > > boards > > Please bugzilla against grub if it isn't already. > It sounds like a grub bug we need to get fixed. Its been filed since the first release we ever did including Grub. From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 22:27:18 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:27:18 +0200 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064874438.13052.39.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 23:34, Alan Cox wrote: > > - Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored > > - Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer shipped) > > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > boards This is not -- by chance -- one of the cases where using the "d" parameter to GRUB's "install" command helps? From the documentation: [...] If the option `d' is present, the Stage 1 will always look for the actual disk STAGE2_FILE was installed on, rather than using the booting drive. [...] I think this should read "..., rather than using the drive GRUB thinks it booted from." instead. Whenever I had problems with GRUB, reinstalling the MBR manually from the GRUB command line (from rescue CD or GRUB floppy) helped, e.g. like this (with separate /boot on first disk, first primary partition: root (hd0,0) install /grub/stage1 d (hd0) /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 /grub/stage2 /grub/grub.conf quit HTH, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Sep 29 22:34:09 2003 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <200309291752.01861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Gene C. wrote: ... > When you boot up and get the grub prompt to boot the system, type "e". This > will bring up a screen with all of the grub lines in it. Position (arrow > keys) to the "kernel" line and type "e". You will now be presented with the > "kernel" line which you can edit. Add "nogui 3" (I usually place this > between "ro" and "root=". Be sure to leave a space between parameters. This > are the command line parameters which are passed to /sbin/init and will bring > the system up in runlevel 3. Not that firstboot will still run in gui mode > by starting X. i'm confused -- what's the distinction between adding "3" and "nogui"? run level 3 *means* not to start X already. is "nogui" related to how firstboot runs? rday From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 22:43:32 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:43:32 -0400 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <1064826287.19239.4.camel@suburbia>; from jtlegbandt@earthlink.net on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 02:04:47AM -0700 References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064826287.19239.4.camel@suburbia> Message-ID: <20030929184332.A32736@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Joshua Legbandt (jtlegbandt at earthlink.net) said: > Thinking about it further, I was going to write an initscript that > detected whether acpi=on was passed to the kernel via grub and then load > the appropraite acpi modules for my system. if [ -d /proc/acpi ]; then for module in /lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/acpi/* ; do insmod $module done fi Bill From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 22:45:01 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:45:01 +0200 Subject: ks.cfg In-Reply-To: <1064874603.13052.42.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <20030929172313.1f7f5ef0.j.rink@freenet.de> <1064874603.13052.42.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <1064875501.13052.52.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 00:30, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 17:23, J?rn Rink wrote: > > Hi, > > until the last beta for redhat severn, i do not see the dhcp hostname > > option. Is it possible to set the hostname, even if i use dhcp? > > I mean the in the > > /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf, or is it only possible to do this voia a post > > install script? > > Setting DHCP_HOSTNAME in e.g. /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > doesn't help? Or do you miss it in the config tools (--> Bugzilla, RFE)? D'oh. Should've read the subject. Still: Bugzilla, RFE. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20030929184332.A32736@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064826287.19239.4.camel@suburbia> <20030929184332.A32736@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064875597.13052.55.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 00:43, Bill Nottingham wrote: > if [ -d /proc/acpi ]; then > for module in /lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/acpi/* ; do Surely: [...] for module in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/acpi/* ; do [...] > insmod $module > done > fi Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From notting at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 22:59:01 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:59:01 -0400 Subject: How do ou get modules like ac and barrerty to load at boot time? In-Reply-To: <1064875597.13052.55.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de>; from nphilipp@redhat.com on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 12:46:37AM +0200 References: <3F774400.2090207@skmoore.com> <20030929013616.N25283@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064826287.19239.4.camel@suburbia> <20030929184332.A32736@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064875597.13052.55.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <20030929185901.A10970@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Nils Philippsen (nphilipp at redhat.com) said: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 00:43, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > if [ -d /proc/acpi ]; then > > for module in /lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/acpi/* ; do > > Surely: > > [...] > for module in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/acpi/* ; do > [...] Bah, cut'n'paste ate the backticks. Yes, insert equivalent shell syntax here... Bill From kevin at ucsd.edu Mon Sep 29 22:59:19 2003 From: kevin at ucsd.edu (Kevin Bowen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:59:19 -0700 Subject: upgrading rh9+3rd party rpms Message-ID: Hi, I'm currently running redhat9, with various gnome 2.4 packages installed from the nyquist repository (a 3rd party packager). Am I going to have problems doing an upgrade install of fedora? How does the installer handle this kind of situation? I saw in the release notes some mention of problems with upgrading systems with ximian desktop installed, so I'm guessing there might be similar problems with other non-redhat packages installed - am I right, and if so, what would be the best way to proceed? Kevin Bowen From rhl at farorbit.com Mon Sep 29 23:20:16 2003 From: rhl at farorbit.com (Stephan Schutter) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:20:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: upgrading rh9+3rd party rpms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What does nyquist have that's cool? On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Kevin Bowen wrote: > Hi, > I'm currently running redhat9, with various gnome 2.4 packages installed > from the nyquist repository (a 3rd party packager). Am I going to have > problems doing an upgrade install of fedora? How does the installer handle > this kind of situation? I saw in the release notes some mention of problems > with upgrading systems with ximian desktop installed, so I'm guessing there > might be similar problems with other non-redhat packages installed - am I > right, and if so, what would be the best way to proceed? > > Kevin Bowen > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From bfox at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 23:19:58 2003 From: bfox at redhat.com (Brent Fox) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:19:58 -0400 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1064877598.29760.7.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:08, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > perhaps my memory is just going, but did i just overlook where, in > the installation, i can select that i just want to boot to runlevel 3? i'm > a *real* fan of this, particularly since my first attempt to install fedora > hung at trying to run "firstboot". > > and bypassing firstboot made it clear that trying to startx with this > particular make and model of monitor fails miserably. i much prefer > to start with runlevel 3, and only switch to 5 once i verify that everything > works properly. To get the "text or graphical" choice, you have to do either a Server or Custom installation type in anaconda. For people who pick Desktop or Workstation installation types, it is assumed that they want to boot into runlevel 5. Cheers, Brent From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Mon Sep 29 23:23:55 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:23:55 -0500 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com> Message-ID: <1064877835.9145.0.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Is there a new option in grub equiv to lilo -R ? That's what keeps me from using grub, especially when doing remote kernel upgrades. Dan On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 16:57, Thomas Dodd wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > >>- Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored > >>- Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer shipped) > > > > > > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > > boards > > It doesn't work on my FIC SS7 board either. I forget the number, but > it's the one w/ 2MB cache. This was filed in bugzilla somewhere for the > first RHL that used grub. > > -Thomas > From seanlkml at rogers.com Mon Sep 29 23:19:39 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:19:39 -0400 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: References: <200309291752.01861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20030929191939.0a31f6fb.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:34:09 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > i'm confused -- what's the distinction between adding "3" and "nogui"? > run level 3 *means* not to start X already. is "nogui" related to > how firstboot runs? > > rday > > "nogui" is detected by the init scripts to disable the graphical boot. Sean. From seanlkml at rogers.com Mon Sep 29 23:26:56 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:26:56 -0400 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: References: <200309291752.01861.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <20030929192656.0b89605e.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:34:09 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > i'm confused -- what's the distinction between adding "3" and "nogui"? > run level 3 *means* not to start X already. is "nogui" related to > how firstboot runs? > > rday > > "nogui" disables the graphical boot, should probably be named "norhgb". Sean. From andre at bwh.harvard.edu Mon Sep 29 23:27:22 2003 From: andre at bwh.harvard.edu (Andre Robatino) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: text vs. graphical boot Message-ID: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> This is probably a dumb question, but how do I get back the text boot while preserving the graphical login? Also, I noticed that the shutdown is still text-based (that is, when I can actually see the messages, often only the last few are visible - this has been an intermittent problem for years). Shouldn't both startup and shutdown be the same type, for symmetry? From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Sep 29 23:31:57 2003 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:31:57 -0700 Subject: text vs. graphical boot In-Reply-To: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1064878317.9561.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 16:27, Andre Robatino wrote: > This is probably a dumb question, but how do I get back the text boot > while preserving the graphical login? Set GRAPHICAL=no in /etc/sysconfig/init -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From list at cloudk.clara.co.uk Mon Sep 29 23:32:27 2003 From: list at cloudk.clara.co.uk (Deryk Lister) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:32:27 +0100 Subject: Transgaming WineX (specifically EverQuest) under Fedora 0.94 Message-ID: <1064878347.7853.8.camel@deryk> I posted the following message to the TransGaming messageboards, and will also post it here in case anyone has any ideas! The problem, I think, is with the kernel but I've yet to put my finger on it. This thread seems to outline a similar problem, and the same method I tried (grabbing a vanilla kernel and compiling with a Fedora .config file) but whilst it worked for this person it didn't work for me: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-September/msg00218.html The TransGaming post is as follows ------------------------------------- Location: http://www.transgaming.com/postlist.php?forum=14 WineX Version: 3.1 Distribution: Fedora Core 0.94 Video Card: Geforce2. Driver: nvidia Sound Card: C-media - onboard Game Title: EverQuest I'm running the 2nd pre-release of Fedora Linux "Severn" build, previously known as Red Hat Linux 10. When running winex3 -debugmsg +err eqgame.exe patchme I get: err:win32:do_relocations Standard load address for a Win32 program (0x00400000) not available - security-patched kernel ? err:win32:do_relocations FATAL: Need to relocate G:stuffgamesEverQuesteqgame.exe, but no relocation records present (stripped during link). Try to run that file directly ! /usr/lib/transgaming_winex3//winex/bin/wine: can't exec 'eqgame.exe patchme': error=21 EQ is running from a mounted FAT32 partition, if it makes any difference. Picking up on the bit about "patched kernel" I downloaded a vanilla kernel and used the Fedora .config file stored as: /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2061.nptl/configs/kernel-2.4.22-athlon.config but sadly this didn't solve the problem. After a search on the Fedora mailing lists, I also tried: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield-randomize to no avail. With the vanilla kernel, these files don't even exist. Any suggestions/workarounds appreciated! (I'd quite like to see this fixed - without workarounds - before Fedora is released, if anything to prevent newbs getting put off. Will help in any way I can, but note I'm not a programmer) Cheers From katzj at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 23:34:54 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:34:54 -0400 Subject: ks.cfg In-Reply-To: <20030929172313.1f7f5ef0.j.rink@freenet.de> References: <20030929172313.1f7f5ef0.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: <1064878494.16345.85.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 11:23, J?rn Rink wrote: > until the last beta for redhat severn, i do not see the dhcp hostname > option. Is it possible to set the hostname, even if i use dhcp? > I mean the in the > /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf, or is it only possible to do this voia a post > install script? Added a change on Friday so that if you specify the hostname manually, it will get used for the UI side. The same should be true as of about three minutes ago with kickstart as well ;) Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 23:36:53 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:36:53 -0400 Subject: text vs. graphical boot In-Reply-To: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <200309292327.h8TNRNU16787@garfield.bwh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <1064878613.16345.88.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:27, Andre Robatino wrote: > This is probably a dumb question, but how do I get back the text boot > while preserving the graphical login? o Fedora Core 0.94 now uses a graphical interface while booting. The graphical boot screen will appear once the kernel has loaded. Presently the graphical boot interface has known issues with respect to interactions with the Kudzu hardware probing tool; work on resolving these issues is proceeding. Graphical booting is controlled by the GRAPHICAL line in the /etc/sysconfig/init file; set it to "no" to permanently disable graphical booting. To disable graphical booting, append "nogui" to your bootloader command line. Cheers, Jeremy From katzj at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 23:38:18 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:38:18 -0400 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064877835.9145.0.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com> <1064877835.9145.0.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <1064878697.16345.91.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:23, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Is there a new option in grub equiv to lilo -R ? That's what keeps me > from using grub, especially when doing remote kernel upgrades. >From the grub package changelog ;) - add patch from GRUB mailing list from Keir Fraser to add a --once flag to savedefault function so that you can have the equivalent of lilo -R functionality (use 'savedefault --default=N --once' from the grub shell) I need to get around to adding an easier way of doing this from grubby, but that does work even if a little painful. Cheers, Jeremy From seanlkml at rogers.com Mon Sep 29 23:41:04 2003 From: seanlkml at rogers.com (Sean Estabrooks) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:41:04 -0400 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064877835.9145.0.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3F78AABD.1050006@cypress.com> <1064877835.9145.0.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Message-ID: <20030929194104.0ce633e7.seanlkml@rogers.com> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:23:55 -0500 Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Is there a new option in grub equiv to lilo -R ? That's what keeps me > from using grub, especially when doing remote kernel upgrades. > > Dan > Yes, "savedefault" grub shell command has a "--once" option which does the same thing. Cheers, Sean From lowen at pari.edu Mon Sep 29 23:53:12 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:53:12 -0400 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309291953.12143.lowen@pari.edu> On Monday 29 September 2003 05:34 pm, Alan Cox wrote: > > - Bugzilla #105148 - In GUI install 'No firewall' option was ignored > > - Fixed an issue where lilo was being referenced (it is no longer > > shipped) > Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop > boards I have several machines on which LILO works fine but GRUB does not. One is an HP NetServer LS2 5/133 dual Pentium, one is a dual PPro 200 SUperMicro P6DNE, and I'd have to look at the others to see. But one of the problem machines did get fixed; I had a ASUS P3B-F with a Promise Ultra 66 that GRUB just didn't like around, oh, 7.3 or so. The 8.0 GRUB works fine on it. -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com Tue Sep 30 00:00:52 2003 From: JDrabb at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Drabb) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:00:52 -0400 Subject: Transgaming WineX (specifically EverQuest) under Fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064878347.7853.8.camel@deryk> References: <1064878347.7853.8.camel@deryk> Message-ID: <1064880052.4431.2.camel@keelie.tampabay.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:32, Deryk Lister wrote: > I posted the following message to the TransGaming messageboards, and > will also post it here in case anyone has any ideas! The problem, I > think, is with the kernel but I've yet to put my finger on it. > > This thread seems to outline a similar problem, and the same method I > tried (grabbing a vanilla kernel and compiling with a Fedora .config > file) but whilst it worked for this person it didn't work for me: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-September/msg00218.html > Any suggestions/workarounds appreciated! > > (I'd quite like to see this fixed - without workarounds - before Fedora > is released, if anything to prevent newbs getting put off. Will help in > any way I can, but note I'm not a programmer) > > Cheers It could be prelinking or nptl. You could try to set PRELINKING=no in /etc/sysconfig/prelink You can also try to run winex with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1, e.x. LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 winex3 eqgame.exe Or just export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 before you run winex3 from a terminal. Jim Drabb -- James Drabb Senior Programmer Analyst Davenport, FL USA JDrabb_REMOVE at tampabay.rr.com From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 00:39:20 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:39:20 -0400 Subject: kernel compilation fails In-Reply-To: <1064710945.3073.388.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from benhsu@dslextreme.com on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:02:25PM -0700 References: <1064682754.3073.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1064710945.3073.388.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030929203920.A8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:02:25PM -0700, Ben Hsu wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 10:12, Ben Hsu wrote: > > > > > It looks like the problem is that in kernel.c the definition of > > "active_load_balance" is surrounded by #if CONFIG_SHARE_RUNQUEUE, but > > the actual call to that function on line 1712 is not in such an #if. > > > I tracked down the problem that the definition of the > active_load_rebalance on line 1321 is inside of an #ifdef CONFIG_SMP on > 1087 > > I compiled with SMP enabled and it worked, is it safe for uniprocessor > machines to run with SMP enabled? Sometimes, even usually. :-) (If it boots, it should be OK; there are some UP machines that won't boot the SMP kernel) Just a trifle slower... What's the bugzilla number for this one? michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 00:42:29 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:42:29 -0400 Subject: Performance testing (pass 1) In-Reply-To: <3F75BE7B.7060803@farorbit.com>; from rhl@farorbit.com on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 11:44:43AM -0500 References: <3F75BE7B.7060803@farorbit.com> Message-ID: <20030929204229.B8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 11:44:43AM -0500, stephan schutter wrote: > really? I did not know this... The install is not fresh, but I have not > left it on over night... As root, you can run /etc/cron.daily/prelink and your system will be prelinked. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 00:49:13 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:49:13 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <20030927182430.4c38457d.seanlkml@rogers.com>; from seanlkml@rogers.com on Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:24:30PM -0400 References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> <20030927161349.6dbb74a3.seanlkml@rogers.com> <3F75F9A6.2070502@wanadoo.es> <20030927182430.4c38457d.seanlkml@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20030929204913.C8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 06:24:30PM -0400, Sean Estabrooks wrote: > If you want you can grab an updated source rpm with both > dmidecode 2.2 and biosdecode: > > http://members.rogers.com/seanlkml/kernel-utils-2.4-8.32.src.rpm Can you file an RFE in bugzilla for these? :-) michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Sep 30 01:01:49 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:01:49 -0400 Subject: WEP Keys For Wireless 802.11g Cardbus Adapters Message-ID: <3F78D5FD.2090101@speakeasy.net> For the SMC model SMC2835W ("2.4 GHz 54 Mbps Wireless Cardbus Adapter") card, how do I actually derive or develop the WEP keys to use? I'm confused about that. Or do I just enter random hex digits in the keys? Thanks for any and all help. -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From jbinpg at shaw.ca Tue Sep 30 01:26:04 2003 From: jbinpg at shaw.ca (Jack Bowling) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:26:04 -0700 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <1064877598.29760.7.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> References: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <1064877598.29760.7.camel@bfox.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030930012604.GC14537@nonesuch.ca.shawcable.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:19:58PM -0400, Brent Fox wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:08, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > perhaps my memory is just going, but did i just overlook where, in > > the installation, i can select that i just want to boot to runlevel 3? i'm > > a *real* fan of this, particularly since my first attempt to install fedora > > hung at trying to run "firstboot". > > > > and bypassing firstboot made it clear that trying to startx with this > > particular make and model of monitor fails miserably. i much prefer > > to start with runlevel 3, and only switch to 5 once i verify that everything > > works properly. > > To get the "text or graphical" choice, you have to do either a Server or > Custom installation type in anaconda. For people who pick Desktop or > Workstation installation types, it is assumed that they want to boot > into runlevel 5. I did a custom install but got no boot choice dialog. Bugzilla? -- Jack Bowling mailto: jbinpg at shaw.ca From sflory at rackable.com Tue Sep 30 01:44:57 2003 From: sflory at rackable.com (Samuel Flory) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:44:57 -0700 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <200309292215.h8TMFIh25298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <200309292215.h8TMFIh25298@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3F78E019.9010101@rackable.com> Alan Cox wrote: >>On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 17:34, Alan Cox wrote: >> >>>Is this a permanent decision - Grub doesnt work with earlier intel desktop >>>boards >> >>Please bugzilla against grub if it isn't already. >>It sounds like a grub bug we need to get fixed. > > > Its been filed since the first release we ever did including Grub. Also does grub do the right thing when you are using software raid? In the past grub didn't install on both drives boot sectors. In addition grub installs fail on really large (1.6T) 3ware raid arrays under RHL-9. I can't really test it as I can't reinstall my main file server. -- Once you have their hardware. Never give it back. (The First Rule of Hardware Acquisition) Sam Flory From m0par at cox.net Tue Sep 30 02:42:01 2003 From: m0par at cox.net (KSC) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:42:01 -0500 Subject: RPM is totally fubar'd after hitting some kind of time-warp? Message-ID: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> Whoa... That is weird... After installing 0.94, everything seemed peachy. I then installed various packages via yum, and compiled additional src.rpms. Proceeded to build vanilla 2.6.0-test6 and the nvidia module. Everything still good to go. Recompiled the kernel again as I forgot netatalk support and rebooted. Went to do a yum update and yum bombs out with python errors and a message saying that /var/cache/yum/ didn't exist. Lo and behold, the /var/cache/yum directory didn't even exist. Created the directory to see what that would get me, and then I notice that yum reported 404 errors due to it believing $releasever is 9.0.93 Ran up2date and it also thought the system was 9.0.93. cat /etc/redhat-release reports Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) rpm -q redhat-release reported not-installed. So I did a rpm --rebuilddb rpm now reports redhat-release-9.0.93-4. What? It is reporting all kinds of old 9.0.93 packages, although the new packages are installed, and during 0.94 install, I told it to format everything but my separate /home partition. Seeing as how it was far from a stock 0.94 install, I don't expect any help, and certainly couldn't file a bug report, but I thought I would send it to the list to see if anyone has experienced anything of the sort. How the heck did it pull 9.0.93 packages out of its butt when the partitions were supposedly formatted? Hit a glitch in the space-time continuum? I won't have time to reinstall until this weekend. :( Keeping my fingers crossed that she holds together until then... From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 30 02:46:59 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:46:59 -0400 Subject: RPM is totally fubar'd after hitting some kind of time-warp? In-Reply-To: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> References: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: <1064890018.30351.12.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 22:42, KSC wrote: > Whoa... That is weird... > > After installing 0.94, everything seemed peachy. I then installed > various packages via yum, and compiled additional src.rpms. Proceeded > to build vanilla 2.6.0-test6 and the nvidia module. > > Everything still good to go. > > Recompiled the kernel again as I forgot netatalk support and rebooted. > > Went to do a yum update and yum bombs out with python errors and a > message saying that /var/cache/yum/ didn't exist. > > Lo and behold, the /var/cache/yum directory didn't even exist. umm. This is bad. this is really bad. Are you sure you're not losing any other random bits on this system? -sv From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Sep 30 03:05:25 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:05:25 -0400 Subject: Kernel Compile -- 802.11g Wireless 54Mbps PCMCIA Card In-Reply-To: <3F78846D.2010100@medata.com> References: <3F77907D.5080607@speakeasy.net> <3F78846D.2010100@medata.com> Message-ID: <3F78F2F5.1010305@speakeasy.net> I bought the SMC card and when I plugged it into the laptop, the intersil driver I had compiled loaded right away. However the card went into sleep mode according to the kernel messages. I'm not sure what sleep mode means. I am sure I still have a lot of networking configuration to do, but I'm not sure how to proceed. Someone wrote a HOWTO covering this for a Debian machine and I'll study it and sort of follow along, even though he used the Netgear WG511. So I'm just taking my very first steps with wireless internet on Linux. I'll keep you posted on my progress. Bob Rick Johnson wrote: > Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> Now to find a compatible pcmcia card -- probably the Netgear WG511 or >> SMC2835W EZ Connect g 2.4 GHz 54 Mbps Wireless Cardbus Adapter -- and >> see if I can get some action when I pop the card in. If the module >> loads and I can set up encryption stuff, I'll head over to my >> Starbucks to check it out. > > > I'm going to be trying this with a D-Link DWL-G650 card (also Intersil > based) today or tomorrow as well, and will be interested in your > results. I'll post mine as well. > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From benhsu at dslextreme.com Tue Sep 30 03:39:16 2003 From: benhsu at dslextreme.com (Ben Hsu) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:39:16 -0700 Subject: kernel compilation fails In-Reply-To: <20030929203920.A8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064682754.3073.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1064710945.3073.388.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030929203920.A8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064893156.3194.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 17:39, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > What's the bugzilla number for this one? > 105978 From alex at taipang.com Tue Sep 30 04:50:01 2003 From: alex at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:50:01 +0600 Subject: fedora and ntfs In-Reply-To: <20030929114840.GA22437@redhat.com> References: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> <20030929114840.GA22437@redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309301050.01659.alex@taipang.com> How can I use ntfs partition on my local disk in fedora? mount say ntfs is not supported! Best Regards, Alex Long From craig at postnewspapers.com.au Tue Sep 30 04:58:46 2003 From: craig at postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:58:46 +0800 Subject: fedora and ntfs In-Reply-To: <200309301050.01659.alex@taipang.com> References: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> <20030929114840.GA22437@redhat.com> <200309301050.01659.alex@taipang.com> Message-ID: <3F790D86.1070707@postnewspapers.com.au> > How can I use ntfs partition on my local disk in fedora? > mount say ntfs is not supported! Compile and install the ntfs kernel module. Perhaps somebody has already packaged one - look at the ntfs project on sourceforge.net. Craig Ringer From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Tue Sep 30 00:02:17 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: 29 Sep 2003 19:02:17 -0500 Subject: new packages Message-ID: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was just reading about the fedora project's goals on the website, and it says that it should be easier to get new packages included. What is the process for this? Could snort be included? Dan -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From czar at czarc.net Tue Sep 30 05:03:16 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:03:16 -0400 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309300103.16050.czar@czarc.net> On Monday 29 September 2003 18:34, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i'm confused -- what's the distinction between adding "3" and "nogui"? > run level 3 *means* not to start X already. is "nogui" related to > how firstboot runs? It should make no difference. However, that is what worked for me. Specifying "nogui" does not start X to bring up the graphical boot. You are welcome to play "try this boot combination" but it is very time consuming. -- Gene From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 30 06:00:53 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:00:53 -0500 Subject: icons In-Reply-To: <3F777E5D.6030909@lopht.net> References: <3F777E5D.6030909@lopht.net> Message-ID: <3F791C15.90208@lopht.net> Anyone know what's going on? I had no trouble changing the default inherited theme to gnome in RH 9. Actually it also worked pretty well to totally get rid of the /usr/share/icons/default folder altogether. Justin Georgeson wrote: > I just installed FC test2, and am having trouble with the icon themes. > It seems that the gnome icon theme doesn't have enough icons to use it > as the default inherited theme instead of Bluecurve. The gnome theme has > replacement icons, they just don't appear to get used in the menu. > Perhaps it's because there is only 48x48 versions? > > # find /usr/share/icons/gnome/ -name *redhat* > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-presentations.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-accessories.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-email.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-games.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-graphics.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-home.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-internet.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-main-menu.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-office.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-preferences.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-server_settings.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-programming.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-system_settings.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-sound_video.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-spreadsheet.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-starthere.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-word-processor.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-system_tools.png > /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/apps/redhat-web-browser.png > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ; Justin Georgeson ; http://www.lopht.net ; mailto:jgeorgeson at lopht.net ; "Free the mallocs, delete the news" From louisg00 at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 30 06:06:00 2003 From: louisg00 at bellsouth.net (Louis Garcia) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:06:00 -0400 Subject: rawhide not syncing Message-ID: <1064901960.3846.1.camel@tiger> Rawhide has not synced since the 23. Also, since the fedora name change is rawhide still being called rawhide? --Lou From dsavage at peaknet.net Tue Sep 30 06:15:31 2003 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:15:31 -0500 Subject: fedora and ntfs In-Reply-To: <3F790D86.1070707@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <200309290738.40422.nbecker@hns.com> <20030929114840.GA22437@redhat.com> <200309301050.01659.alex@taipang.com> <3F790D86.1070707@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <1064902531.4568.66.camel@lioness.thunderpurr.net> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 23:58, Craig Ringer wrote: > > How can I use ntfs partition on my local disk in fedora? > > mount say ntfs is not supported! > > Compile and install the ntfs kernel module. Perhaps somebody has already > packaged one - look at the ntfs project on sourceforge.net. This is a FAQ. Proceed with extreme caution, and be *sure* you have a full Windows ntbackup of that partition before you start. There is a strong possibility that mounting that ntfs partition under Linux -- even in read-only mode -- will cause irrepairable corruption. The risk increases to near certainty if you exercise the read/write option. Unfortunately the only safe way to access an NTFS partition is with Windows. This is why the NTFS support is not provided in production kernels. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL From seanc at tech-access.com Tue Sep 30 07:38:17 2003 From: seanc at tech-access.com (Sean Craig) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:38:17 +0400 Subject: Lexmark T522 - Markvision seg-fault Message-ID: <3F7932E9.7040602@tech-access.com> Hi All, Does anybody use a lexmark printer - particularly the T52x-series? The Lexmark printers use a really old-style gui (markvision is the program) to configure the advanced options (multi-up pages, duplex printing, etc). The latest rpm's from the Lexmark site install fine, and I can create a new virtual device. When I try create a new queue, the thing seg-faults. The documentation mentions "Enhanced Printer Drivers requires a running LPD program to create queues." Thus I have enabled cups-lpd. (I do have another printer queue defined in /etc/printcap. This is needed also...) Anybody have a clue?? Thanks Sean Craig From nphilipp at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 07:38:47 2003 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:38:47 +0200 Subject: New extra packages... Message-ID: <1064907527.14330.48.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> ... I put up in the last days at the usual location: http://lisas.de/~nils/redhat/rawhide/ but didn't get around to announce: - neverball-0.25.4-1: 3D ball balancing game, needs OpenGL, SDL_ttf - BitTorrent-3.3-1: new, Swarming P2P download tools (built without WxWindows GUI) - conglomerate-0.7.4-1: new, very nice XML editor - galeon-1.3.9-3: needed for Mozilla-1.4.1 (if you don't have it, don't upgrade), SRPM includes "BuildRequires: nspr-devel" spotted by Michal Ambroz - dink-sdl-0.0.3: SDL port of the Dink Smallwood RPG engine, crashes a lot, don't use ;-) Enjoy, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Depending on what kinds of > problems pop up we will consider making another update at a later date. > Hello, Would it be possible to specify an update location from other medias (CD/network/HD)? Some newer laptops and PCs do not ship with floppy drives. Thanks, Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 08:19:12 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:19:12 +0700 Subject: WEP Keys For Wireless 802.11g Cardbus Adapters In-Reply-To: <3F78D5FD.2090101@speakeasy.net> References: <3F78D5FD.2090101@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1064909952.25878.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:01, Robert L Cochran wrote: > For the SMC model SMC2835W ("2.4 GHz 54 Mbps Wireless Cardbus Adapter") > card, how do I actually derive or develop the WEP keys to use? I'm > confused about that. Or do I just enter random hex digits in the keys? > Thanks for any and all help. > You normally set the WEP key to be the same as your Wireless Access Point, AFAIK. Any random sequence would do too, though the WAP software should have a utility for generating keys from keyphrases. HTH, Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 08:23:40 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:23:40 +0700 Subject: installing and selecting runlevel 3? In-Reply-To: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <9140937.1064862536737.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1064910218.25878.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 02:08, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > perhaps my memory is just going, but did i just overlook where, in > the installation, i can select that i just want to boot to runlevel 3? i'm > a *real* fan of this, particularly since my first attempt to install fedora > hung at trying to run "firstboot". One could always edit the Grub entry for Fedora and append a '3' to it. Incidentally, I found that adding 'acpi=on' when booting the installer results in 'acpi=on' appended to the Grub menu - one wonder if adding '3' to it would result in you booting in runlevel 3 by default? Regards, Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 08:25:28 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:25:28 +0700 Subject: Gstreamer and xmms In-Reply-To: <000501c386c8$05603c40$196d9e89@pegasus> References: <000501c386c8$05603c40$196d9e89@pegasus> Message-ID: <1064910328.25878.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:26, Maynard Kuona wrote: > I have Rhythmbox, but it takes to long to start up. I am keeping a close > eye on it though, I wish they could have a nice little database so that > it doesn't have to refresh the library every time it starts. Try Jamboree then: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1368&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0 Regards, Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 08:29:22 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:29:22 +0700 Subject: totem In-Reply-To: <20030929135822.GA5424@thacker.dyndns.org> References: <7FFB75E1-F26F-11D7-B558-000393714C2E@mac.com> <20030929134332.579e9e5f.matthias@rpmforge.net> <20030929135822.GA5424@thacker.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1064910562.25878.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:58, John Alexander Thacker wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 01:43:32PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote: > > Nicholas Marsh wrote : > > > > > Why was this not included in Fedora? Does it have questionable code? > > > > I don't think it couldn't be included, but as there is no MPEG, DivX etc. > > support by default in the gstreamer shipped, having totem would seem quite > > pointless :-/ Not to mention users complaining about "the media player not > > working" :-( > > True. Speaking of which, I hope that you, and/or whoever is making the > rpms at rpm.livna.org, make a gstreamer-plugins-missing package, or > something similar, that contains the plugins removed from Fedora, similar > to the xmms-mp3 packages. (No offense intended, but I hope it's not Dag > that hosts the packages, since my download rate from his site is nonexistent.) > The official Gstreamer RPMs seem to have been updated for Fedora compliance. They're only meant for RH9 though; I'm busy recompiling on my Fedora 0.94 box right now. I will publish the resulting RPMs on my website but bandwith is limited - anyone willing to host the packages, please contact me. Regards, Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 10:22:04 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:22:04 +0700 Subject: fedora test2: ACPI failure on Sony laptop In-Reply-To: <64750.65.41.55.192.1064761941.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <20030927160009.958.87670.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <20030928142343.40494.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> <64750.65.41.55.192.1064761941.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1064917323.25878.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 22:12, William Hooper wrote: > When enabled, ACPI is used for device enumeration, but not for sleeping or > reducing power consumption. > Good thing cpufreq is enabled by default, with all processor drivers available as modules - e.g. modprobe speedstep-centrino for Pentium-M notebooks. - Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 10:26:57 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:26:57 +0700 Subject: rpm.livna.org now has a Fedora Core 0.94 repository In-Reply-To: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> References: <1064780902.7317.32.camel@gruyere> Message-ID: <1064917616.25878.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 03:28, Dams wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I would like to bring your attention on > http://rpm.livna.org/readme.txt : > > According to fedora.us, the merger between fedora and redhat > necessitated the removal of certain problematic packages due to > licensing issues. > > rpm.livna.org repositories contain those packages, and are apt/yum > enabled. After spending half a day building packages unnecessarily one really does not know whether to laugh or to cry. Great site, thanks! Was wondering why Fedora's 0.94 repo is short of many packages. - Michel From goeran at uddeborg.se Tue Sep 30 10:34:00 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:34:00 +0200 Subject: test2 initial reactions In-Reply-To: <20030927015338.20d64eb8.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <200309260528.17067.czar@czarc.net> <1064587883.18654.3.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <200309261059.49490.czar@czarc.net> <20030926151529.GA2925@thacker.dyndns.org> <20030926182207.A23163@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20030926224757.GA3336@thacker.dyndns.org> <20030927015338.20d64eb8.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <16249.23576.248281.64302@uebn.uddeborg.se> Michael Schwendt writes: > > Aha. Hmm, the same thing happened with rpmdb-redhat, although I did upgrade > > that by hand. I didn't know about comps. > > > > 0.94 < 9, so the installer apparently didn't do the upgrade, since the RHL > > 9 package looked newer to rpm. > > And a higher epoch was not set either. Filed the other day: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105746 From goeran at uddeborg.se Tue Sep 30 11:06:22 2003 From: goeran at uddeborg.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6ran_Uddeborg?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:06:22 +0200 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <1064842104.18219.29.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <1064791568.6250.4.camel@gstpc.earthlink.net> <1064808928.5105.0.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> <1064842104.18219.29.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <16249.25518.960797.155668@uebn.uddeborg.se> Christopher A. Williams writes: > I thought the same, but then realized XE was "rock solid" because I > wasn't using the calendar function like I was at the beginning. Rather, > I was only using the mail client part. Try using the calendar and > contacts functions, then switch back to the in-box. XE will then hang on > exit almost every time! Sounds similar to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=102554 Would you think it is the same? From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Sep 30 11:41:14 2003 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:41:14 -0400 Subject: WEP Keys For Wireless 802.11g Cardbus Adapters In-Reply-To: <1064909952.25878.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3F78D5FD.2090101@speakeasy.net> <1064909952.25878.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F796BDA.5090009@speakeasy.net> Thanks! To start with I want to be able to walk into a T-Mobile Hotspot location and log on and internet while sipping my coffee. I can't remember if the Hotspots provide WEP security. Bob Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:01, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >>For the SMC model SMC2835W ("2.4 GHz 54 Mbps Wireless Cardbus Adapter") >>card, how do I actually derive or develop the WEP keys to use? I'm >>confused about that. Or do I just enter random hex digits in the keys? >>Thanks for any and all help. >> > > You normally set the WEP key to be the same as your Wireless Access > Point, AFAIK. Any random sequence would do too, though the WAP software > should have a utility for generating keys from keyphrases. > > HTH, > > Michel > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/ From j.sanchezf at terra.es Tue Sep 30 12:01:03 2003 From: j.sanchezf at terra.es (Julio Sanchez) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:01:03 +0200 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 References: <3F773ED1.20307@tampabay.rr.com> <3F775EC9.8060202@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:20:57 -0400, Jim Drabb wrote: > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 evolution For me, that improves starting evolution a lot. Closing it, however, is still problematic. Julio From dwalsh at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 12:35:01 2003 From: dwalsh at redhat.com (Daniel J Walsh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:35:01 -0400 Subject: DNS wildcards In-Reply-To: <1064618529.8805.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <000901c3845c$29d86110$152ea8c0@august> <20030926132846.A25957@mail.harddata.com> <1064618529.8805.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <3F797875.7040600@redhat.com> Latest patch is there. http://rawhide.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/bind-9.2.2.P3-1.i386.rpm Paul Iadonisi wrote: >On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 15:28, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > >[snip] > > > >>A solution turned out to be to explictitely declare a name >>resolution order to 'winbind lmhosts ....', or whatever that is >>called, in smb.conf. I do not have Samba here so I cannot check >>that directive but it is mentioned explicitely in one of 'BROWSING' >>documents. >> >> > > If your customer has control of his DNS server and it's running bind, >then the delegation-only patch can be applied and then he can list all >the gTLDs /etc/named.conf. There may be patches for other DNS servers >as well. > I applied the patch at www.isc.org and am now happily seeing the >normal, non-Verisign corrupted dns behavior. (The version in rawhide is >actually a bit outdated. It's 9.2.2-P1 and ISC recommends 9.2.2-P3.) >At least until they circumvent it some other way. *sigh* > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Sep 30 12:59:29 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064909593.25878.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 04:21, Michael Fulbright wrote: > > The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 > > has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone > > has taken to test anaconda. > > > > We've put together an update image to address some of the issues which > > have been reported against anaconda. Depending on what kinds of > > problems pop up we will consider making another update at a later date. > > > Hello, > > Would it be possible to specify an update location from other medias > (CD/network/HD)? Some newer laptops and PCs do not ship with floppy > drives. I think you forgot to read the entire announcement. Your question is answered already. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From wooandy at mac.com Tue Sep 30 13:04:54 2003 From: wooandy at mac.com (Andy Woo) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:04:54 +0800 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, Sorry for a newbie question. But, I only have a CD burner with my iBook (running OS X). How can I add the updates.img to the ISO consisting of the redhat/base directory? I do not have floppy drive neither. Best Regards, Andy On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > >> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 04:21, Michael Fulbright wrote: >>> The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn >>> Test 2 >>> has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone >>> has taken to test anaconda. >>> >>> We've put together an update image to address some of the issues >>> which >>> have been reported against anaconda. Depending on what kinds of >>> problems pop up we will consider making another update at a later >>> date. >>> >> Hello, >> >> Would it be possible to specify an update location from other medias >> (CD/network/HD)? Some newer laptops and PCs do not ship with floppy >> drives. > > I think you forgot to read the entire announcement. Your question is > answered already. > > --Jeremy > > -- > /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ > | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | > | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | > \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Sep 30 13:04:56 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RPM is totally fubar'd after hitting some kind of time-warp? In-Reply-To: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, KSC wrote: > Whoa... That is weird... > > After installing 0.94, everything seemed peachy. I then installed > various packages via yum, and compiled additional src.rpms. Proceeded > to build vanilla 2.6.0-test6 and the nvidia module. > Created the directory to see what that would get me, and then I notice > that yum reported 404 errors due to it believing $releasever is 9.0.93 > > Ran up2date and it also thought the system was 9.0.93. > > cat /etc/redhat-release reports Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn) > > rpm -q redhat-release reported not-installed. So I did a rpm --rebuilddb > > rpm now reports redhat-release-9.0.93-4. What? > > It is reporting all kinds of old 9.0.93 packages, although the new > packages are installed, and during 0.94 install, I told it to format > everything but my separate /home partition. > > How the heck did it pull 9.0.93 packages out of its butt when the > partitions were supposedly formatted? Hit a glitch in the space-time > continuum? Is your yum configuration file, /etc/yum.conf, set up correctly? Perhaps it is listing a 9.0.93 repository. This could explain why you're getting packages mixed from both versions. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 12:28:18 2003 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064909593.25878.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064909593.25878.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4533.12.29.16.103.1064924898.squirrel@whooper.org> Michel Alexandre Salim said: [snip] > Hello, > > Would it be possible to specify an update location from other medias > (CD/network/HD)? Some newer laptops and PCs do not ship with floppy > drives. Anaconda will read the image file when doing network updates (and probably HD): http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begininstall-net.html#S2-BEGININSTALL-SETUPSVR All one URL. "Additionally, if a file called updates.img exists in the directory from which you install, then it will be used for installation program updates. Refer to the file install-methods.txt in the anaconda RPM package for detailed information on the various ways to install Red Hat Linux, as well as how to apply the installation program updates." -- William Hooper From sheep at graze.net Tue Sep 30 13:18:35 2003 From: sheep at graze.net (Brian Huffman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:18:35 +0200 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 Message-ID: <200309301318.h8UDIZre009095@graze.net> Neither LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 nor 2.2.5 is resolving all issues...This needs a correct resolution. Anyone have an idea what's actually happening? Brian fedora-test-list at redhat.com wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:20:57 -0400, Jim Drabb wrote: > > > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 evolution > > For me, that improves starting evolution a lot. Closing it, however, is > still problematic. > > Julio > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- From davej at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 13:38:32 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:38:32 +0100 Subject: fedora test2: ACPI failure on Sony laptop In-Reply-To: <1064917323.25878.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030927160009.958.87670.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <20030928142343.40494.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com> <64750.65.41.55.192.1064761941.squirrel@whooper.org> <1064917323.25878.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030930133832.GB22437@redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 05:22:04PM +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 22:12, William Hooper wrote: > > When enabled, ACPI is used for device enumeration, but not for sleeping or > > reducing power consumption. > > > Good thing cpufreq is enabled by default, with all processor drivers > available as modules - e.g. modprobe speedstep-centrino for Pentium-M > notebooks. Note that if you boot with acpi=on, you can also modprobe processor and all the other acpi modules. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 14:14:31 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:14:31 +0700 Subject: HDC errors In-Reply-To: <3F785131.1060107@spiritone.com> References: <20030929110402.29420.68427.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <3F785131.1060107@spiritone.com> Message-ID: <1064931271.25878.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 22:35, Steve Ward wrote: > Nick Marsh wrote: > > >> > Why does fedora give a seek error on my system durring every boot. > >> > > Got a CD-ROM or CD-RW on those devices? > > I was puzzled by those errors too (also happens on RH9 if you enable > smartd) and they only happen when you have a removable device with no > medium in it... > Nothing too puzzling about it; smartd monitors drives and try to predict if they are about to fail; it would thus have problems with empty removable devices. One wonders if it actually can recognise failing CDs. Anyone has coasters they can test with smartd? - Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 14:16:58 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:16:58 +0700 Subject: Samba problems In-Reply-To: <1064849248.21644.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <20030929151409.GD8577@redhat.com> <1064849248.21644.10.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1064931418.25878.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 22:27, Christopher A. Williams wrote: [snip] > OS). I tried uninstalling samba, but can't due to dependency issues with > kde-base. I wanted to see if the final samba 3.0 from samba.org would > work. Yes I do know that the Red Hat RPM from samba.org is different - I > was going to uninstall samba, samba-common, samba-client and samba-swat > (which also doesn't work, BTW), but didn't bother trying because of the > dependency issues. > [snip] Simply rpm -e --nodeps the samba packages. I'm sure kde would still work in their absence; just remember not to try and browse Windows networks before you install the replacement RPMs! Regards, Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 14:21:40 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:21:40 +0700 Subject: Fedora Test 2, DHCP In-Reply-To: <1064846410.4119.5.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> References: <1064846410.4119.5.camel@luth7000.bic-bill.com> Message-ID: <1064931699.25878.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 21:40, Vidyut Luther wrote: [snip] > either way.. now, after a few hrs, I seem to lose my gw, or something, > as route takes forever to finish, and if I do a service network restart, > things start working again immediately. > > I'm in San Antonio, I haven't tested this time out issue with windows, I > just left for work so I've left the computer on in Windows bootup, > letseee if it loses it's ip/gateway information there.. if so, then I > know it's a time warner problem.. otherwise it might be a Test 2 > problem. If it is.. does anyone know what could be causing this ? Some > sort of power management ? turns network card off ?. > I'm using 3c509 card. > [snip] FWIW, I'm connecting off an Internet Connection Share with DHCP, using an orinoco_cs WLAN card, and the connection runs stably for up to 12 hours (I don't leave my computer on longer than that, sorry). Is the problem duplicated in Windows? You might want to check your logs under Windows, just in case it automatically re-request a DHCP lease. Might be worth running /sbin/dhclient manually and see how long a least Time Warner gives you. HTH, Michel From salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 14:25:37 2003 From: salimma1 at yahoo.co.uk (Michel Alexandre Salim) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:25:37 +0700 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <4533.12.29.16.103.1064924898.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064909593.25878.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4533.12.29.16.103.1064924898.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1064931937.25878.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 19:28, William Hooper wrote: > Michel Alexandre Salim said: > [snip] > > Hello, > > > > Would it be possible to specify an update location from other medias > > (CD/network/HD)? Some newer laptops and PCs do not ship with floppy > > drives. > > Anaconda will read the image file when doing network updates (and probably > HD): > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begininstall-net.html#S2-BEGININSTALL-SETUPSVR > [snip] Ah yes, my mistake. - Michel From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 14:30:16 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 30 Sep 2003 11:30:16 -0300 Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <1064901960.3846.1.camel@tiger> References: <1064901960.3846.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: On Sep 30, 2003, Louis Garcia wrote: > Rawhide has not synced since the 23. Try again :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From notting at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 15:11:14 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:11:14 -0400 Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <1064901960.3846.1.camel@tiger>; from louisg00@bellsouth.net on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 02:06:00AM -0400 References: <1064901960.3846.1.camel@tiger> Message-ID: <20030930111114.I13840@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Louis Garcia (louisg00 at bellsouth.net) said: > Rawhide has not synced since the 23. Yup, fixed. > Also, since the fedora name change is rawhide still being called > rawhide? For now, yes. Bill From rezso at rdsor.ro Tue Sep 30 22:30:12 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:30:12 -0400 Subject: automated build tool for an src.rpm tree ? Message-ID: <200309301830.12753.rezso@rdsor.ro> Hi ! Have someone developed a tool or have knowledge of some perl/python scripted stuff for automated build of a src.rpm tree wich inteligently compute dependency and start compiling/installing packages step by step in right order till whole tree is compiled and installed. PS: dont need to knoledge even some bug hunting skill :))) Thanks a lot, Cristian -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From katzj at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 15:43:23 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:43:23 -0400 Subject: Evolution under Fedora Core release 0.94 In-Reply-To: <200309301318.h8UDIZre009095@graze.net> References: <200309301318.h8UDIZre009095@graze.net> Message-ID: <1064936603.1343.2.camel@edoras.local.net> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 09:18, Brian Huffman wrote: > Neither LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 nor 2.2.5 is resolving all issues...This needs a > correct resolution. > > Anyone have an idea what's actually happening? Still haven't reproduced on my boxes, but they're all upgraded hydras really... going to try to get a fresh install on one of my test boxes this afternoon and try to convince it to happen. Jeremy From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 15:43:47 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:43:47 -0400 Subject: Anyone seeing data corruption like bz#91932 Message-ID: <20030930114347.A5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> There's a bug showing apparant data corruption on IDE: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91932 It seems to be a unique report but I'd like to make sure. Ignore the lines like: hda: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } hda: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } They are understood to be informational and not related to the reported data corruption. It's possible that the reporter of #91932 has hardware that is marginal and has a bug that earlier kernels don't exercise, but it's also possible that there is a generic data corruption problem on IDE. So, we'd like to ask that anyone else seeing data corruption running Bonnie++ (or anything else, for that matter) please report. Thanks, michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From matthias at rpmforge.net Tue Sep 30 15:45:07 2003 From: matthias at rpmforge.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:45:07 +0200 Subject: automated build tool for an src.rpm tree ? In-Reply-To: <200309301830.12753.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <200309301830.12753.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <20030930174507.219078d0.matthias@rpmforge.net> Balint Cristian wrote : > Have someone developed a tool or have knowledge of some perl/python > scripted stuff for > automated build of a src.rpm tree wich inteligently compute dependency > and start compiling/installing packages step by step in right order till > whole tree is compiled and installed. You may want to have a look at "mach" (Make A CHroot), which should be able to do this. http://thomas.apestaart.org/projects/mach/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Raw Hide 20030923 running Linux kernel 2.4.22-20.1.2024.2.36.nptl Load : 0.10 0.35 0.40 From rezso at rdsor.ro Tue Sep 30 22:40:24 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:40:24 -0400 Subject: Anyone seeing data corruption like bz#91932 In-Reply-To: <20030930114347.A5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030930114347.A5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200309301840.24072.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Tuesday 30 September 2003 11:43, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > There's a bug showing apparant data corruption on IDE: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91932 > It seems to be a unique report but I'd like to make sure. > > Ignore the lines like: > hda: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } > hda: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } I see lots of like that before with old HDD-s with various systems Could they be bad sectors ? maybe badblocks -vvv /dev/hdX (it is read only) will tell it. > They are understood to be informational and not related to the > reported data corruption. > > It's possible that the reporter of #91932 has hardware that is > marginal and has a bug that earlier kernels don't exercise, but > it's also possible that there is a generic data corruption problem > on IDE. > > So, we'd like to ask that anyone else seeing data corruption > running Bonnie++ (or anything else, for that matter) please > report. > > Thanks, > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From rezso at rdsor.ro Tue Sep 30 22:41:35 2003 From: rezso at rdsor.ro (Balint Cristian) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:41:35 -0400 Subject: automated build tool for an src.rpm tree ? In-Reply-To: <20030930174507.219078d0.matthias@rpmforge.net> References: <200309301830.12753.rezso@rdsor.ro> <20030930174507.219078d0.matthias@rpmforge.net> Message-ID: <200309301841.35765.rezso@rdsor.ro> On Tuesday 30 September 2003 11:45, Matthias Saou wrote: > Balint Cristian wrote : > > Have someone developed a tool or have knowledge of some perl/python > > scripted stuff for > > automated build of a src.rpm tree wich inteligently compute dependency > > and start compiling/installing packages step by step in right order till > > whole tree is compiled and installed. > > You may want to have a look at "mach" (Make A CHroot), which should be able > to do this. > > http://thomas.apestaart.org/projects/mach/ Uuu thanks a lot ! > > Matthias Great apreciation, Cristian -- Life in itself has no meaning. Life is an opportunity to create meaning. \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 15:52:29 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:52:29 -0400 Subject: new packages In-Reply-To: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from daniel-wittenberg@starken.com on Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:02:17PM -0500 References: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030930115229.B5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> First: probably makes more sense on fedora-devel-list, FYI. On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:02:17PM -0500, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > I was just reading about the fedora project's goals on the website, and > it says that it should be easier to get new packages included. What is > the process for this? Could snort be included? It's a goal. Right now we haven't yet built the necessary infrastructure. The pre-existing Fedora Linux Project at http://www.fedora.us/ does have infrastructure, and part of merging with them will be bringing those packages into a shared infrastructure, so the right way to get started is to work on getting the packages in there. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From davej at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 15:54:34 2003 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:54:34 +0100 Subject: Anyone seeing data corruption like bz#91932 In-Reply-To: <200309301840.24072.rezso@rdsor.ro> References: <20030930114347.A5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309301840.24072.rezso@rdsor.ro> Message-ID: <20030930155434.GD22437@redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 06:40:24PM -0400, Balint Cristian wrote: > On Tuesday 30 September 2003 11:43, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > There's a bug showing apparant data corruption on IDE: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91932 > > It seems to be a unique report but I'd like to make sure. > > > > Ignore the lines like: > > hda: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } > > hda: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > > I see lots of like that before with old HDD-s with various systems > Could they be bad sectors ? No, it's the drive saying "Eh?" and rejecting when we send it a command it doesn't understand, which would be expected with old drives. Dave -- Dave Jones http://www.codemonkey.org.uk From xose at wanadoo.es Tue Sep 30 16:00:37 2003 From: xose at wanadoo.es (Xose Vazquez Perez) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:00:37 +0200 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available References: <200309292134.h8TLYAs04229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <200309291953.12143.lowen@pari.edu> Message-ID: <3F79A8A5.9020109@wanadoo.es> Lamar Owen wrote: > I have several machines on which LILO works fine but GRUB does not. One is an > HP NetServer LS2 5/133 dual Pentium, one is a dual PPro 200 SUperMicro P6DNE, > and I'd have to look at the others to see. But one of the problem machines > did get fixed; I had a ASUS P3B-F with a Promise Ultra 66 that GRUB just > didn't like around, oh, 7.3 or so. The 8.0 GRUB works fine on it. Sometimes a BIOS upgrade does that things run better, or worse ;-). -- SCO before, Smoking Crack Often now. From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Tue Sep 30 16:10:16 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: 30 Sep 2003 11:10:16 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA-CORE] Re: new packages In-Reply-To: <20030930115229.B5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030930115229.B5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064938214.1741.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> So for now, basically wait until the merge is done, if I understand you correctly ? Dan On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:52, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > First: probably makes more sense on fedora-devel-list, FYI. > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:02:17PM -0500, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > > I was just reading about the fedora project's goals on the website, and > > it says that it should be easier to get new packages included. What is > > the process for this? Could snort be included? > > It's a goal. Right now we haven't yet built the necessary infrastructure. > The pre-existing Fedora Linux Project at http://www.fedora.us/ does have > infrastructure, and part of merging with them will be bringing those > packages into a shared infrastructure, so the right way to get started > is to work on getting the packages in there. > > michaelkjohnson > > "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." > Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin > http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Tue Sep 30 16:11:00 2003 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:11:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Anyone seeing data corruption like bz#91932 In-Reply-To: <20030930114347.A5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > There's a bug showing apparant data corruption on IDE: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91932 I get the message You are not authorized to access bug #91932. when I try to look at this, so it is difficult to comment. Michael Young From m0par at cox.net Tue Sep 30 17:22:06 2003 From: m0par at cox.net (KSC) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:22:06 -0500 Subject: RPM is totally fubar'd after hitting some kind of time-warp? In-Reply-To: References: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: <20030930122206.531db793.m0par@cox.net> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Is your yum configuration file, /etc/yum.conf, set up correctly? > Perhaps it is listing a 9.0.93 repository. This could explain why > you're getting packages mixed from both versions. > > --Jeremy It was set up with all directories using $releasever. No mention of 9.0.93 anywhere. It worked fine several times before the last fateful reboot. There aren't mixed packages. Just a mixed-up rpm database, and disappearing diretories. It's possessed, I tell ya. From m0par at cox.net Tue Sep 30 17:34:15 2003 From: m0par at cox.net (KSC) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:34:15 -0500 Subject: RPM is totally fubar'd after hitting some kind of time-warp? In-Reply-To: <1064890018.30351.12.camel@binkley> References: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> <1064890018.30351.12.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20030930123415.446f4a78.m0par@cox.net> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:46:59 -0400 seth vidal wrote: > umm. This is bad. > > this is really bad. > > Are you sure you're not losing any other random bits on this system? > > -sv Nope. Not sure at all. I _think_ I see what happened, but I don't know for sure. My entire /var was replaced with the /var from the old 9.0.93 days. I was almost positive (apparently not the case) that I had told 0.94 that /var was on a different partition. It appears as though I didn't. So the partition was never formatted, and apparently some point before that last reboot, I copied over fstab with my old one to avoid hand entering all of my customizations, and am now booting with 9.0.93's /var. Sorry to bother y'all. I shall return to my rightful place under my rock. From steve at rueb.com Tue Sep 30 17:54:25 2003 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:54:25 -0500 Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <20030930111114.I13840@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064901960.3846.1.camel@tiger> <20030930111114.I13840@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064944465.6103.21.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Well, I haven't gotten anything since Sep 19th. ---- [root at ip68-12-228-23 up2date]# up2date --show-channel redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93 redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates [root at ip68-12-228-23 up2date]# up2date --nosig -u Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... ######################################## Fetching package list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... ######################################## Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93... Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: redhat-linux-severn-i386-9.0.93-updates... Fetching rpm headers... All packages are currently up to date ---- Output of rpm -qa attached. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rpmqa.txt.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 12034 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Sep 30 18:41:37 2003 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:41:37 +0200 Subject: new packages In-Reply-To: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030930204137.2cb73a30.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 29 Sep 2003 19:02:17 -0500, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > I was just reading about the fedora project's goals on the website, and > it says that it should be easier to get new packages included. What is > the process for this? Could snort be included? Snort is available at http://fedora.us in the "testing" repository,and a newer version is in the package queue, waiting for reviews and QA approval. Please take a look, evaluate the package and add any comments: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=716 You could even talk to the current packager in case you'd like to take over the snort packages. - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ec5h0iMVcrivHFQRAincAKCEMASJ/A/aJqyqPk8b//C/x+vJCwCfWEkj C8tNLeExdO6F3eishtsKZB4= =jkP8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kevin at ucsd.edu Tue Sep 30 18:46:57 2003 From: kevin at ucsd.edu (Kevin Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:46:57 -0700 Subject: upgrading rh9+3rd party rpms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mostly gnome stuff. The repository info is here: http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/repository.html Anyone have any ideas though on my question? Can anyone tell me how the Fedora upgrade install deals with non-redhat packages on a system? Will it clobber them (hopefully)? -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Stephan Schutter Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:20 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: upgrading rh9+3rd party rpms What does nyquist have that's cool? On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Kevin Bowen wrote: > Hi, > I'm currently running redhat9, with various gnome 2.4 packages installed > from the nyquist repository (a 3rd party packager). Am I going to have > problems doing an upgrade install of fedora? How does the installer handle > this kind of situation? I saw in the release notes some mention of problems > with upgrading systems with ximian desktop installed, so I'm guessing there > might be similar problems with other non-redhat packages installed - am I > right, and if so, what would be the best way to proceed? > > Kevin Bowen > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From notting at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 19:10:41 2003 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:10:41 -0400 Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <1064944465.6103.21.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net>; from steve@rueb.com on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 12:54:25PM -0500 References: <1064901960.3846.1.camel@tiger> <20030930111114.I13840@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064944465.6103.21.camel@ip68-12-228-23.ok.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030930151041.G14445@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Steve Bergman (steve at rueb.com) said: > Well, I haven't gotten anything since Sep 19th. The base channel has been populated (try updating to the fedora-release package from the second test release and then running up2date.) There's no updates channel for the second test release yet. Bill From katzj at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 19:17:56 2003 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:17:56 -0400 Subject: upgrading rh9+3rd party rpms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1064949475.18345.4.camel@mirkwood.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 14:46, Kevin Bowen wrote: > Anyone have any ideas though on my question? Can anyone tell me how the > Fedora upgrade install deals with non-redhat packages on a system? Will it > clobber them (hopefully)? If the versions in Fedora are greater than the version already installed, then it will get upgraded. Otherwise it will be left as is. Jeremy From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 19:29:28 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:29:28 -0400 Subject: [FEDORA-CORE] Re: new packages In-Reply-To: <1064938214.1741.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from daniel-wittenberg@starken.com on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 11:10:16AM -0500 References: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030930115229.B5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1064938214.1741.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030930152928.A25951@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 11:10:16AM -0500, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > So for now, basically wait until the merge is done, if I understand you > correctly ? No, just start contributing in the pre-existing Fedora Linux Project at http://www.fedora.us/ and then keep maintaining them when the merge happens. It's going to take months to merge the infrastructure; no point in waiting for that to be complete. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 19:31:31 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:31:31 -0400 Subject: Anyone seeing data corruption like bz#91932 In-Reply-To: ; from m.a.young@durham.ac.uk on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 05:11:00PM +0100 References: <20030930114347.A5049@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030930153131.B25951@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 05:11:00PM +0100, M A Young wrote: > I get the message > You are not authorized to access bug #91932. > when I try to look at this, so it is difficult to comment. Whoops, I didn't notice that it was a private bug. I didn't see anything confidential in it (it was just originally filed during one of those private alpha releases we used to do :-) so I simply made it public. Thanks for mentioning this. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From alan at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 19:38:41 2003 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <3F78E019.9010101@rackable.com> from "Samuel Flory" at Med 29, 2003 06:44:57 Message-ID: <200309301938.h8UJcfU31890@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > Also does grub do the right thing when you are using software raid? I dont know if it has been fixed or not > In the past grub didn't install on both drives boot sectors. In > addition grub installs fail on really large (1.6T) 3ware raid arrays > under RHL-9. I can't really test it as I can't reinstall my main file > server. I've seen that reported before but never had a chance to find out. There are several reports which don't mention 3ware and grub has had some signed v unsigned problems fixed so it may be this problem is fixed now. (It has some 64bit issues too which will begin to bite at 2Tb (4T-sectors) From nmarsh1 at mac.com Tue Sep 30 19:44:43 2003 From: nmarsh1 at mac.com (Nick Marsh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:44:43 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core questions Message-ID: <2924179.1064951083884.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Is this the working name, or will the system always be known as Fedora Core? My vote, if it's worth anything, would be to drop the "Core" and just go with Fedora. Also, will the red hat programs menu icon change since it is no longer Red Hat Linux? Thanks. nick marsh nmarsh1 at mac.com From bpierson at charter.net Tue Sep 30 19:48:58 2003 From: bpierson at charter.net (Bradley D. Pierson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:48:58 -0400 Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064909593.25878.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> <1064909593.25878.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1064951337.6923.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 04:13, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: Where are the images for the test 2 version 9.0.94 of severn? I hove looked, but I only see 9.0.93 available. -- Bradley D. Pierson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Thiago Em Ter, 2003-09-30 ?s 12:11, Bill Nottingham escreveu: > Louis Garcia (louisg00 at bellsouth.net) said: > > Rawhide has not synced since the 23. > > Yup, fixed. > > > Also, since the fedora name change is rawhide still being called > > rawhide? > > For now, yes. > > Bill > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Sep 30 19:53:41 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core questions In-Reply-To: <2924179.1064951083884.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Nick Marsh wrote: > Also, will the red hat programs menu icon change since it is no longer > Red Hat Linux? This was asked already, and I believe the answer was that the icon on the programs menu is simply "a hat/fedora that happens to be red". It is not the Red Hat(tm) logo, which is the "shadowman" image. (see http://www.redhat.com/img/homepg_rh_logo.gif for an example of the official logo). So therefore the programs menu icon can stay the same. --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From daniel-wittenberg at starken.com Tue Sep 30 19:55:30 2003 From: daniel-wittenberg at starken.com (Daniel Wittenberg) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:55:30 -0500 Subject: [FEDORA-CORE] Re: new packages In-Reply-To: <20030930204137.2cb73a30.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <1064880137.1654.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030930204137.2cb73a30.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1064951729.14467.2.camel@hawk.wittenberg.org> Actually I already maintain the official snort RPM's, so I was curious what's being done with it, and don't mind doing one that will fit both needs. I will take a look. Thanks! Dan On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 13:41, Michael Schwendt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 29 Sep 2003 19:02:17 -0500, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > > > I was just reading about the fedora project's goals on the website, and > > it says that it should be easier to get new packages included. What is > > the process for this? Could snort be included? > > Snort is available at http://fedora.us in the "testing" repository,and > a newer version is in the package queue, waiting for reviews and QA > approval. Please take a look, evaluate the package and add any > comments: > > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=716 > > You could even talk to the current packager in case you'd like to take > over the snort packages. > > - -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/ec5h0iMVcrivHFQRAincAKCEMASJ/A/aJqyqPk8b//C/x+vJCwCfWEkj > C8tNLeExdO6F3eishtsKZB4= > =jkP8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- ============================= Daniel Wittenberg RHCE+AS/IBM Certified Specialist President/CTO The Starken Group http://www.starken.com From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 30 20:01:57 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 30 Sep 2003 16:01:57 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core questions In-Reply-To: <2924179.1064951083884.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> References: <2924179.1064951083884.JavaMail.nmarsh1@mac.com> Message-ID: <1064952117.24475.42.camel@opus> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 15:44, Nick Marsh wrote: > Is this the working name, or will the system always be known as Fedora > Core? My vote, if it's worth anything, would be to drop the "Core" and > just go with Fedora. I think the name is decided already and fedora is the overarching name - fedora core is the base distribution - hence fedora extras, alternatives and legacy. -sv From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Sep 30 20:02:55 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available In-Reply-To: <1064951337.6923.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Bradley D. Pierson wrote: > Where are the images for the test 2 version 9.0.94 of severn? I hove > looked, but I only see 9.0.93 available. Not sure what you're talking about exactly. The updated anaconda image is for test2; that's the only one available. The URL was given in the original message (http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-September/msg02015.html ) as follows: The update is available at: http://people.redhat.com/~msf/severn-test2-updates.img Here is the README for the update: (http://people.redhat.com/~msf/severn-test2-updates.readme) Also, the version number for Severn in the Fedora Core Test 2 release, is "0.94" -- there's no 9 at the start. Hope this helps, Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 20:13:15 2003 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: <1064951551.4294.0.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Why up2date is not updating beta packages from rawhide, like on severn1 > beta channel? The updates channel is in the works. Thanks for your patience, -- Elliot Individualists, unite! From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Sep 30 20:13:52 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RPM is totally fubar'd after hitting some kind of time-warp? In-Reply-To: <20030930123415.446f4a78.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, KSC wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:46:59 -0400 > seth vidal wrote: > > > umm. This is bad. > > > > this is really bad. > > > > Are you sure you're not losing any other random bits on this system? > > > > -sv > > Nope. Not sure at all. > > I _think_ I see what happened, but I don't know for sure. My entire /var > was replaced with the /var from the old 9.0.93 days. > > I was almost positive (apparently not the case) that I had told 0.94 > that /var was on a different partition. It appears as though I didn't. > So the partition was never formatted, and apparently some point before > that last reboot, I copied over fstab with my old one to avoid hand > entering all of my customizations, and am now booting with 9.0.93's > /var. Yeah, that's the other idea I had after sending my previous email, that the wrong partitions were being mounted. Sorry Seth for mistakenly blaming yum. :-) > Sorry to bother y'all. I shall return to my rightful place under > my rock. Not a problem, it was an interesting question. -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ From list at cloudk.clara.co.uk Tue Sep 30 20:28:32 2003 From: list at cloudk.clara.co.uk (Deryk Lister) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:28:32 +0100 Subject: Transgaming WineX (specifically EverQuest) under Fedora 0.94 In-Reply-To: <20030930023904.3493.78014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20030930023904.3493.78014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1064953712.21347.3.camel@deryk> James Drabb wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:32, Deryk Lister wrote: > > I posted the following message to the TransGaming messageboards, and > > will also post it here in case anyone has any ideas! The problem, I > > think, is with the kernel but I've yet to put my finger on it. > > > > This thread seems to outline a similar problem, and the same method I > > tried (grabbing a vanilla kernel and compiling with a Fedora .config > > file) but whilst it worked for this person it didn't work for me: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-September/msg00218.html > > > Any suggestions/workarounds appreciated! > > > > (I'd quite like to see this fixed - without workarounds - before Fedora > > is released, if anything to prevent newbs getting put off. Will help in > > any way I can, but note I'm not a programmer) > > > > Cheers > > It could be prelinking or nptl. You could try to set PRELINKING=no in > /etc/sysconfig/prelink > > You can also try to run winex with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1, e.x. > > LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 winex3 eqgame.exe > > Or just export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 before you run winex3 from a > terminal. Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately no joy on either of them :/ (Same messages) Cheers Deryk From lowen at pari.edu Tue Sep 30 20:30:27 2003 From: lowen at pari.edu (Lamar Owen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:30:27 -0400 Subject: RPM is totally fubar'd after hitting some kind of time-warp? In-Reply-To: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> References: <20030929214201.5ef41618.m0par@cox.net> Message-ID: <200309301630.27878.lowen@pari.edu> On Monday 29 September 2003 10:42 pm, KSC wrote: > Created the directory to see what that would get me, and then I notice > that yum reported 404 errors due to it believing $releasever is 9.0.93 > Ran up2date and it also thought the system was 9.0.93. What does 'rpm -qi comps' say? -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu From czar at czarc.net Tue Sep 30 21:00:48 2003 From: czar at czarc.net (Gene C.) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:00:48 -0400 Subject: rawhide not syncing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200309301700.48752.czar@czarc.net> On Tuesday 30 September 2003 16:13, Elliot Lee wrote: > The updates channel is in the works. I don't understand why you have a severn-beta2 channel (with just what is on the cdroms) and plan a separate updates channel (with cdroms plus updates as they appear) ... or did I misunderstand your statement? -- Gene From jgeorgeson at lopht.net Tue Sep 30 21:04:48 2003 From: jgeorgeson at lopht.net (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:04:48 -0500 Subject: rawhide not syncing References: <200309301700.48752.czar@czarc.net> Message-ID: <3F79EFF0.6030809@lopht.net> Gene C. wrote: > On Tuesday 30 September 2003 16:13, Elliot Lee wrote: > >>The updates channel is in the works. > > > I don't understand why you have a severn-beta2 channel (with just what is on > the cdroms) and plan a separate updates channel (with cdroms plus updates as > they appear) ... or did I misunderstand your statement? perhaps for the --update-to-release feature of up2date. Although why you would want to update to the base release and then go get the updates is still a question. Just a thought though. From smearp at mac.com Tue Sep 30 21:32:16 2003 From: smearp at mac.com (Sean Earp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:32:16 -0700 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? Message-ID: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> Hello all- I have not been able to install Fedora Test 2 since it came out (RH 9 and Severn Beta 1 worked just fine). Today I tried installation with the updated Anaconda, and it works. (great!) However, on the first boot after installation, I can not log on to the Gnome desktop. KDE works just fine. The interesting thing is that I chose the customized install, and had Gnome checked, and KDE UNCHECKED. Just in case I missed something, I have formatted the drive 3 times and reinstalled, making SURE that gnome was selected, and KDE was not. When I attempt to log in to gnome, the screen exhibits the same behavior as if i choose the "restart X Server" option on the login screen. Is anyone else experiencing this? Can someone give me the command line option to verify that Gnome is even installed? (I'm a linux newbie, so be gentle) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Sean From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 30 21:35:31 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 30 Sep 2003 17:35:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <1064957731.25805.40.camel@opus> > However, on the first boot after installation, I can not log on to the > Gnome desktop. KDE works just fine. The interesting thing is that I > chose the customized install, and had Gnome checked, and KDE UNCHECKED. > Just in case I missed something, I have formatted the drive 3 times > and reinstalled, making SURE that gnome was selected, and KDE was not. > When I attempt to log in to gnome, the screen exhibits the same > behavior as if i choose the "restart X Server" option on the login > screen. Is anyone else experiencing this? Can someone give me the > command line option to verify that Gnome is even installed? (I'm a > linux newbie, so be gentle) Any assistance would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks, which gnome-session if you don't get /usr/bin/gnome-session then it is not installed -sv From tvinhas at techbyte.com.br Tue Sep 30 21:40:47 2003 From: tvinhas at techbyte.com.br (Thiago Vinhas de Moraes) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:40:47 -0300 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <1064958047.4294.21.camel@techbyte.com.br> Dude, forget about Gnome. It sucks. Use KDE. Em Ter, 2003-09-30 ?s 18:32, Sean Earp escreveu: > Hello all- > > I have not been able to install Fedora Test 2 since it came out (RH 9 > and Severn Beta 1 worked just fine). Today I tried installation with > the updated Anaconda, and it works. (great!) > > However, on the first boot after installation, I can not log on to the > Gnome desktop. KDE works just fine. The interesting thing is that I > chose the customized install, and had Gnome checked, and KDE UNCHECKED. > Just in case I missed something, I have formatted the drive 3 times > and reinstalled, making SURE that gnome was selected, and KDE was not. > When I attempt to log in to gnome, the screen exhibits the same > behavior as if i choose the "restart X Server" option on the login > screen. Is anyone else experiencing this? Can someone give me the > command line option to verify that Gnome is even installed? (I'm a > linux newbie, so be gentle) Any assistance would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks, > > -Sean > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Sep 30 21:45:39 2003 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: 30 Sep 2003 17:45:39 -0400 Subject: Fedora Test 2 will not log in to Gnome? In-Reply-To: <1064958047.4294.21.camel@techbyte.com.br> References: <9059DDFC-F38D-11D7-941A-000393C34F68@mac.com> <1064958047.4294.21.camel@techbyte.com.br> Message-ID: <1064958338.25805.45.camel@opus> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 17:40, Thiago Vinhas de Moraes wrote: > Dude, forget about Gnome. It sucks. Use KDE. > Dude, don't troll. -sv From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 21:47:36 2003 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 30 Sep 2003 18:47:36 -0300 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: <20030929204913.C8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> <20030927161349.6dbb74a3.seanlkml@rogers.com> <3F75F9A6.2070502@wanadoo.es> <20030927182430.4c38457d.seanlkml@rogers.com> <20030929204913.C8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 29, 2003, "Michael K. Johnson" wrote: >> http://members.rogers.com/seanlkml/kernel-utils-2.4-8.32.src.rpm > Can you file an RFE in bugzilla for these? :-) There is a bugzilla requesting a new dmidecode already. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84723 -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist Professional serial bug killer From johnsonm at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 21:54:31 2003 From: johnsonm at redhat.com (Michael K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:54:31 -0400 Subject: CAN'T REBOOT! HELP! In-Reply-To: ; from aoliva@redhat.com on Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 06:47:36PM -0300 References: <20030927191837.GB7781@prince.homelinux.org> <200309271529.36966.elwoo@videotron.ca> <20030927195111.GB7952@prince.homelinux.org> <3F75EB34.3010807@wanadoo.es> <3F75EBBE.1070209@wanadoo.es> <20030927161349.6dbb74a3.seanlkml@rogers.com> <3F75F9A6.2070502@wanadoo.es> <20030927182430.4c38457d.seanlkml@rogers.com> <20030929204913.C8929@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20030930175431.A10034@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 06:47:36PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Sep 29, 2003, "Michael K. Johnson" wrote: > > >> http://members.rogers.com/seanlkml/kernel-utils-2.4-8.32.src.rpm > > > Can you file an RFE in bugzilla for these? :-) > > There is a bugzilla requesting a new dmidecode already. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84723 Hmm, missed that. I suppose that adding biosdecode and the URL above to that bug would serve as well... ...Done. michaelkjohnson "He that composes himself is wiser than he that composes a book." Linux Application Development -- Ben Franklin http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From mb/redhat at dcs.qmul.ac.uk Tue Sep 30 23:18:45 2003 From: mb/redhat at dcs.qmul.ac.uk (Matt Bernstein) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:18:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: anaconda performance thoughts [Re: ANNOUNCE: Severn Test 2 Anaconda Updates Image Available] In-Reply-To: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> References: <1064870504.1771.31.camel@avatar.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sep 29 Michael Fulbright wrote: >The amount of feedback we've received for the Fedora Core Severn Test 2 >has been impressive. The anaconda team appreciates the time everyone >has taken to test anaconda. Not strictly related, but I've been thinking for a while now that most people do CD installs and watch the CD LED flash, then the HDD LED. This alternating is a bottleneck which I guess can be reduced by either or both of: 1. introduce extra threads to pre-cache the next files from install media (may be a help over the network too) while current RPM is installing 2. mount the ext3 target volumes ext2 while installing (this could still apply in days of dir_index and ACLs) Is Bugzilla the place for these ideas? From farrisg at mala.bc.ca Tue Sep 30 23:47:31 2003 From: farrisg at mala.bc.ca (George Farris) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:47:31 -0700 Subject: Nautilus in 94 doesn't do all-users Message-ID: <1064965651.1194.17.camel@falcon.cc.mala.bc.ca> I have Nautilus 2.4.0 from the Nyquist apt-get repository on one machine and when I go to applications-all-users:/// I see the menus that all users get and can modify them. Nautilus 2.4.0 from fedora .94 shows a blank screen, bug or missing feature? Any ideas? -- George Farris farrisg at mala.bc.ca Malaspina University-College - Cowichan Campus